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| 00:01:08 | Torne | the #ifdefs for the simulator are normally pretty obvious ;) |
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| 00:02:44 | foaly | Hey, I noticed in this new build, when I go into a menu the disk spins up. This didn't used to happen. What's it doing? |
| 00:03:00 | Torne | any menu, or just the filebrowser? |
| 00:03:11 | gevaerts | do you have dircache enabled? |
| 00:03:18 | foaly | Seems any menu |
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| 00:04:02 | foaly | Yeah, dircache is one of the first things I turned on after booting the player. heh |
| 00:04:17 | Torne | do you have a voice file installed? |
| 00:04:31 | Torne | (and is it voicing?) |
| 00:04:56 | foaly | Yep. It didn't used to make the disk spin up when I opened a menu though |
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| 00:20:56 | JdGordon_ | foaly: what font are you using? are there vastly different characters in the menus as your wps? |
| 00:21:02 | JdGordon_ | (thats unlikely the reason thgouh) |
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| 06:58:18 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24874): some minor changes to checkwps, shouldn't change anything |
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| 07:19:27 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24876): Change how touchscreen regions work slightly... "It modifies the behaviour of touch buttons to be more similar to the way gui buttons operate in ... |
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| 07:29:09 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: FS #10996 is still valid? |
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| 07:39:21 | tomers | JdGordon: ping |
| 07:39:26 | JdGordon | hey |
| 07:41:19 | tomers | JdGordon: following r24871, I think that the recorder quick screen is a bit buggy |
| 07:41:41 | JdGordon | I'm not exactly surprised |
| 07:42:23 | tomers | the QS controls statusbar, but the bottom statusbar doesn't vanish when you set it to TOP, etc. |
| 07:42:30 | tomers | it feels totally broken |
| 07:43:29 | JdGordon | feel free to pick a better setting to put there |
| 07:43:37 | tomers | i don't really care about it (have no such DAP) but when I fixed FS #11037 I've noticed it. |
| 07:44:08 | tomers | it's not about what settings to have, it's about whether the statusbar works correctly on that target |
| 07:44:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...My bootloader is saying "cannot load linux.bin", but I'm trying to boot to OF, what's going on? |
| 07:44:30 | S_a_i_n_t | apple_os.ipod is present...and where it should eb. |
| 07:44:33 | S_a_i_n_t | *be. |
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| 07:45:30 | tomers | JdGordon: can you compile the recorder simulator and see for yourself? it might be a bug in the statusbar code, sbs, whatever, I'm not that familiar with that |
| 07:45:31 | JdGordon | tomers: well, if someone actually used that target and cared they would have let us know |
| 07:45:42 | tomers | JdGordon: ok... |
| 07:45:48 | JdGordon | the statusbar shouldnt be there |
| 07:45:54 | JdGordon | on the QS i mean |
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| 07:46:52 | tomers | JdGordon: if it's just one line solution (disable it) than can you please try and do it? or let me know what to do? |
| 07:47:17 | JdGordon | it is, but then we need to decide a better item to put there |
| 07:47:31 | JdGordon | frankly I dont care that much, noone uses the recorder |
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| 07:48:44 | tomers | i would like to think that Rockbox v4 should drop support for charcell targets (hope noone takes this personally) |
| 07:49:02 | JdGordon | haha |
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| 07:49:46 | JdGordon | there is no way charcell and hwcodec will die any timesoon |
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| 08:08:54 | pixelma | JdGordon: there's a tracker entry for the broken F3 quickscreen since last weekend - and it's not only visually broken but causes crashes |
| 08:11:17 | pixelma | well, actually you can't tell if it is visually broken because the crashes happen on entering |
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| 08:21:10 | S_a_i_n_t | can anyone else confirm they have "2) OSOS contains Rockbox and the Rockbox bootloader" working? |
| 08:21:48 | S_a_i_n_t | it's failing for me while attempting to boot into OF with "cannot load linux.bin" |
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| 09:17:57 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: Torne would be the person to ask. But looking at the bootloader source code, it only tries to load linux.bin if you're holding the PLAY button. |
| 09:18:45 | S_a_i_n_t | linuxstb: well...something is broken then. |
| 09:19:18 | S_a_i_n_t | *as I'm definately not holding the play button....hold is on while it's booting, so I couldn;t be anyway :P |
| 09:21:13 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: And you're compiling your own bootloader from current SVN, without any changes? |
| 09:21:21 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 09:26:58 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: Then it doesn't make any sense. You'll need to debug it yourself - e.g. by adding "printf" statements into the bootloader to see what's going on. |
| 09:28:03 | linuxstb | At line 320 (i.e. directly after btn=key_pressed();) you could add the two lines "verbose=true;" and "printf("btn=%d",btn);" to show what button(s) the bootloader thinks are pressed. |
| 09:28:37 | S_a_i_n_t | i'm updating/reintalling with latest svn to double-check i didn't mess it up myself. |
| 09:29:12 | S_a_i_n_t | ...then i'll try that if its still messed up |
| 09:29:32 | S_a_i_n_t | s/that/your suggestion/ |
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| 09:57:36 | knittl | hi guys |
| 09:57:38 | knittl | quick question |
| 09:57:49 | knittl | how to update rockbox on my player? |
| 09:59:30 | knittl | simply copy the new .rockbox? |
| 09:59:57 | B4gder | unzip a new rockbox zip |
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| 10:07:21 | knittl | B4gder: yes, "simply copy the new .rockbox" |
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| 10:07:53 | B4gder | that's not what I advice, no |
| 10:08:05 | petur | unless .rockbox is the folder ;) |
| 10:08:09 | linuxstb | knittl: The recommended way is "extract the rockbox.zip to the root (top-level) directory of your player" |
| 10:08:23 | linuxstb | i.e. extract the zip to the device, not extract to your PC then copy |
| 10:08:24 | knittl | linuxstb: oh ok |
| 10:08:39 | knittl | but when installing the first time it says unpack on pc |
| 10:08:53 | linuxstb | What is "it" ? The Rockbox manual? |
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| 10:09:29 | knittl | it is rockbox in that case |
| 10:09:33 | knittl | following the manual |
| 10:09:59 | B4gder | where does it say unpack on a PC? |
| 10:10:16 | knittl | sec. |
| 10:10:32 | knittl | btw, it still says on the homepage sansa e200v2 is unusable |
| 10:11:04 | rasher | knittl: No it doesn't |
| 10:11:07 | linuxstb | Which homepage? www.rockbox.org lists it as stable. |
| 10:11:15 | knittl | http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 10:11:19 | knittl | oh |
| 10:11:20 | knittl | clip |
| 10:11:24 | knittl | my bad |
| 10:11:25 | Mode | "#rockbox -o rasher" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:11:31 | knittl | and ok … it actually says unzip on device |
| 10:11:47 | knittl | why not extract+copy? |
| 10:12:09 | B4gder | because people mess up then |
| 10:12:13 | B4gder | even more |
| 10:12:18 | linuxstb | It's an unnecessary extra step. |
| 10:12:31 | linuxstb | And as B4gder says, the more steps you have, the more chance something goes wrong. |
| 10:12:38 | knittl | ya, i understand |
| 10:13:04 | knittl | but bootloader doesn't have to be updated? only .rockbox? |
| 10:13:16 | linuxstb | Correct - the bootloader rarely changes. |
| 10:13:31 | knittl | ok great. thanks a bunch! |
| 10:17:42 | S_a_i_n_t | linuxstb: I figured it out...rockbox.ipod was in the OSOS, but it wasn't in /.rockbox |
| 10:18:15 | S_a_i_n_t | *slaps forhaed* |
| 10:18:21 | S_a_i_n_t | *head rather |
| 10:18:52 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: Huh? That shouldn't have given you a "linux.bin" error. And if it's in the OSOS, it shouldn't be needed in .rockbox. |
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| 10:23:13 | S_a_i_n_t | linuxstb: Hmmm, yes...you're quite correct. it (rockbox.ipod) doesn;t need to be in /.rockbox/ if its in OSOS...I forgot that. I just deleted it, and got the same linux.bin error, then hard restarted and it works all of a sudden |
| 10:23:37 | * | S_a_i_n_t fails to see what (if anything) he did wrong, and whats going on here... |
| 10:24:34 | AsusFreak | Hi. I just want to confirm that the checkwps tool on the rockbox.org upload side is working again. Yesterday it causes some errors while uploading themes. Today it seems to be fixed - uploading worked well. Thank you. |
| 10:29:07 | rasher | JdGordon: Why do you think WPS tags don't belong in the manual? |
| 10:30:28 | S_a_i_n_t | well...at least there wouldnt de any descrepancies between the wiki and the manual then :P |
| 10:31:51 | gevaerts | If it appears in only one place, I think that place should be the manual |
| 10:32:10 | * | gevaerts also thinks that most plugin pages on the wiki should go |
| 10:32:17 | rasher | I agree, on both points |
| 10:32:33 | rasher | In fact, probably all plugin pages? |
| 10:33:56 | gevaerts | pages like PluginMpegPlayer and PluginDoom can stay I think. Those have content that I think isn't for the manual |
| 10:34:18 | rasher | Ah yes |
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| 10:50:57 | AlexP | Is it bertrik or buschel who is Mr. Musepack? |
| 10:52:58 | * | S_a_i_n_t suggests release build should just come with cabbie & the default font... |
| 10:53:08 | S_a_i_n_t | *builds |
| 10:53:46 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: that's the idea really |
| 10:54:24 | S_a_i_n_t | everything else is available on the site or through rbutil though...no? |
| 10:54:43 | gevaerts | AlexP: that's Buschel |
| 10:56:57 | S_a_i_n_t | i find i end up just deleting everything except cabbie and its font (a good 4~5 full themes + fonts)..then just add the theme i use. |
| 10:57:19 | S_a_i_n_t | i assume a few others do the same. |
| 10:58:11 | gevaerts | why? |
| 10:58:31 | B4gder | to fit 3 seconds of more music! |
| 10:58:46 | S_a_i_n_t | as i *never* use them... |
| 10:59:07 | rasher | Well it does make sense to remove the themes - there's no good reason for us to ship them really |
| 10:59:24 | B4gder | that I agree with |
| 10:59:26 | gevaerts | yes, I agree there |
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| 10:59:35 | gevaerts | But removing them from the device afterwards? |
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| 11:00:23 | AlexP | Yes, I agree to remove the other themes |
| 11:00:32 | AlexP | And stick them on the theme site |
| 11:00:57 | AlexP | gevaerts: There is a question about which version of musepack we support on the forums |
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| 11:01:19 | S_a_i_n_t | why not? why have someting sitting there taking up any space at all if its not used? be it 10K or 10MB |
| 11:02:07 | AlexP | I wouldn't wory about the space persoanlly, but I might remove them so as to not clutter up the theme selection menu |
| 11:02:07 | S_a_i_n_t | and...some of the themes are just terrible... ;p |
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| 11:03:12 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: If somone were to put all the shipped (save Cabbie v2) themes on the themesite, it would help to get them removed... :) |
| 11:03:51 | S_a_i_n_t | ...is that a hint? |
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| 11:04:00 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: maybe :) |
| 11:04:37 | S_a_i_n_t | are thy *not* all there? whats missing? |
| 11:07:25 | rasher | I don't think any of them are there |
| 11:07:48 | gevaerts | unifont is reasonably big, but I don't think we can really remove that |
| 11:10:17 | rasher | Would be nice to have a unifont version of cabbie (on targets where it's at all possible) |
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| 11:16:17 | S_a_i_n_t | removing unifont makes sense on quite a few targets... |
| 11:16:48 | S_a_i_n_t | nano for instance, its just TOO big |
| 11:17:39 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: I disagree |
| 11:17:56 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: for some it's the only font that works for their language. |
| 11:18:27 | rasher | Unless the height of the screen is less than 2 lines of unifont, it makes sense |
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| 11:18:37 | rasher | (but a cabbie port doesn't) |
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| 11:20:51 | fizzmaister | Hello, I have a question that I didn't see in the manual. I have a gen 5 ipod (30G video) and I was wondering how Rockbox would treat .txt files on it. As you probably know, the ipod has a character limit for each .txt file and a limit of 1000 that it will see on the ipod. Does Rockbox act the same way or is it more sane? |
| 11:21:34 | Zagor | I wonder if "complete/incomplete" are better names than "stable/unstable" for the ports. the unstable ones are not necessarily unstable. |
| 11:21:44 | funman | fizzmaister: the limits of the OF do not affect rockbox |
| 11:22:20 | fizzmaister | Hello, I have a question that I didn't see in the manual. I have a gen 5 ipod (30G video) and I was wondering how Rockbox would treat .txt files on it. As you probably know, the ipod has a character limit for each .txt file and a limit of 1000 that it will see on the ipod. Does Rockbox act the same way or is it more sane? |
| 11:23:06 | Zagor | fizzmaister: please read the response funman gave you |
| 11:26:48 | fizzmaister | Ok thanks, I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't a hardware thing. |
| 11:29:13 | fizzmaister | wow, sorry for the lag |
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| 11:40:23 | Casainho | hello :-) |
| 11:41:15 | Casainho | can someone tell me if 4MBytes SDRAM is needed on Rockbox as minimum, is that for do audio codec ou for the grafics color LCD? |
| 11:42:22 | Casainho | because I would like to know if a 100MHz ARM Cortex M3 with external bus for SDRAM, would be ok for running Rockbox (with a small color LCD) |
| 11:42:43 | funman | Casainho: c200v2 has 2MB +320kB of SDRAM, with a color LCD |
| 11:43:15 | TheSeven | even though i would go for 4M, and not for 2 |
| 11:43:20 | funman | playback is somehow buggy though |
| 11:43:55 | Casainho | and the problem for playback is because of less memory or of processor power? |
| 11:44:12 | funman | less memory, so TheSeven's advice would avoid it |
| 11:44:24 | Casainho | ok |
| 11:44:39 | Casainho | do you know what MCU it have? it's dual core? |
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| 11:45:32 | funman | single core arm922tdmi |
| 11:45:55 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS has a link to the SoC datasheet |
| 11:46:09 | Casainho | funman: ok, at 200MHz? |
| 11:46:17 | funman | TheSeven: i'll try to steal the nano3g from my brother this week end |
| 11:46:40 | funman | Casainho: 250MHz |
| 11:46:58 | Casainho | funman: that internal 320Kb are important for audio decoding? |
| 11:46:59 | B4gder | "The processor executes Thumb®-2 instruction set" |
| 11:47:09 | B4gder | (cortex m3) |
| 11:47:10 | funman | Casainho: no |
| 11:47:26 | B4gder | that sounds like a reaaaaly good choice ;-) |
| 11:47:30 | Casainho | B4gder: and can that be a problem? |
| 11:47:38 | B4gder | yes |
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| 11:48:39 | Casainho | so, I need to continue with ARM9 |
| 11:48:47 | TheSeven | or Cortex Ax |
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| 11:49:00 | B4gder | Casainho: you have a bazillion options really |
| 11:49:32 | Casainho | I was looking for NXP, TI and Atmel ARM Cortex M3 |
| 11:49:47 | Casainho | the problem is that ARM9 have a big pin count... |
| 11:50:25 | Casainho | I would like to try make a player like that Sansa C200 |
| 11:50:52 | Casainho | small LCD and features, but good audio and SD Card storage |
| 11:51:17 | TheSeven | Cortex M series just won't work, you'll either need an A-series Cortex or an "old" ARM |
| 11:52:18 | TheSeven | why not just a s3c2440 or something? |
| 11:54:47 | Casainho | well, I can't produce a board for that |
| 11:55:07 | Casainho | and so we stick with Mini2440, which have that one S3C2440 |
| 11:56:22 | Casainho | http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/mini2440-porting |
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| 11:58:16 | TheSeven | what's the problem with the 2440? if you can't produce a board for that, will you be able to produce one for any other suitable soc? |
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| 12:00:58 | TheSeven | probably all of them will be quite similar in regards to pin count / packaging |
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| 12:30:06 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: I have rockbox and the bootloader in OSOS, that's the reason I wrote the code to support that. And you *must not* have rockbox.ipod in .rockbox or the one in OSOS will not be used. There is no explanation for your problem other than the buttons being read wrong or otherwise defective :) |
| 12:30:18 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24877): libpcm: deletes PCM_CHUNK_SIZE. ... |
| 12:30:57 | Torne | TheSeven: we really should work out how to get rockbox to build in thumb/thumb2 |
| 12:31:32 | Torne | that's the only reason we couldn't run on an M3 that had a suitably sized external RAM |
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| 12:31:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: it *seemed* to be a problem with just that version? or something currupted on transfer...not sure? I updated to current SVN and it did it once, then I figured I should restart (duh), and it was fine. |
| 12:32:15 | Torne | that seems spectacularly unlikely, but who knows :) |
| 12:33:12 | Torne | the code is entirely trivial: if hold is on or menu is pressed, boot the original firmware (from apple_os.ipod if that exists, otherwise from OSOS if it's there, otherwise crash), if play is pressed boot linux.bin, otherwise boot rockbox (from rockbox.ipod if it exists, otherwise from OSOS if it's there, otherwise crash) |
| 12:33:24 | Torne | there is no fallback path that leads to a *different* OS being booted than the one you selected |
| 12:34:04 | TheSeven | the most reasonable fallback would be diskmode ;-) |
| 12:34:15 | Torne | so if you see the linux.bin error message then the bootloader *definately* saw the play button pressed |
| 12:34:27 | Torne | and if you weren't pressing it then either our driver is broken or your hardware is ;) |
| 12:34:40 | Torne | TheSeven: Indeed :) |
| 12:34:45 | Torne | TheSeven: Havne't had time to try that one out yet though |
| 12:34:59 | Torne | actually hm, i guess we could boot the rom disk mode |
| 12:35:11 | Torne | instead of bringing in the rockbox usb stack |
| 12:35:25 | TheSeven | just write that magic "diskmodehotstuff\x01\0\0" string to a certain location before crashing :-) |
| 12:35:46 | S_a_i_n_t | well, as I said...booting to RB was fine, then I tried to boot to OF (not sure why I did that actually, I never do) and booting to OF using menu doesn;t seem to work (but apparently it used to or does for some targets?) so I have to boot into OF using hold, so I figure I *cant* of been pressing play. |
| 12:36:00 | S_a_i_n_t | not sure WTF was going on...but its fixed now :D |
| 12:36:02 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: booting to menu should work, but it has been reported in the distant past that it doesn't work for some people |
| 12:36:08 | Torne | perhaps on certain models only |
| 12:36:18 | Torne | the hold switch option was added later because of that |
| 12:36:34 | Torne | are you actually booting rockbox from osos thoguh? :) |
| 12:36:59 | Torne | TheSeven: well, we could just wait for a button press and start disk mode from rom if pressed |
| 12:37:00 | S_a_i_n_t | aha...it says in the manual for Nano at least that menu works..it probably shouldn;t, as it doesn;t |
| 12:37:19 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: I would want confirmation from multiple Nano owners before we changed that |
| 12:37:23 | Torne | it *should* work on every target |
| 12:37:26 | Torne | er, model |
| 12:37:42 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven? |
| 12:37:52 | S_a_i_n_t | menu doesn;t work for you does it? |
| 12:37:56 | Torne | if it doesn't work for an entir emodel then the opto code in the bootloader might be broken |
| 12:37:57 | S_a_i_n_t | *to boot OF that is. |
| 12:37:58 | TheSeven | i don't have an 1g |
| 12:38:05 | Torne | the bootloader has its own implementation of the button reading code |
| 12:38:16 | Torne | maybe it's not right for some models |
| 12:38:36 | S_a_i_n_t | it doesn't work for me on 1 or 2g nano...but thats me. |
| 12:38:49 | Torne | 2g nano is a totally seperate bootloader |
| 12:38:51 | Torne | so, not relevant |
| 12:38:56 | TheSeven | it's known-broken on the 2g, but i have a fix for that |
| 12:39:11 | Torne | how ar eyou doing it, also? |
| 12:39:18 | Torne | are you just pressing menu to turn the player on and holding it? |
| 12:40:19 | S_a_i_n_t | aha....perhaps it needs some clarification then :D |
| 12:40:28 | * | S_a_i_n_t feels slightly sheepish now |
| 12:41:51 | Torne | it reads the button values pretty early.. |
| 12:41:58 | Torne | if you just turn it on and then press menu you might not be quick enough |
| 12:42:07 | Torne | menu and select both power the ipods on, so you can ust press and hold menu from the start |
| 12:43:24 | S_a_i_n_t | could a wait be put in...? |
| 12:44:00 | S_a_i_n_t | it wouldn;t need to be massive, but apparantly it isn;t possible to hold menu soon enough on Nano1g if you use select to power on |
| 12:44:13 | S_a_i_n_t | (damn semicolon!) |
| 12:44:30 | Torne | that seems like a workaround for the manual not being clear enough, rather than a feature |
| 12:44:43 | Torne | the whole point of the OSOS boot stuff is to allow people who know what they're doing to boot faster ;) |
| 12:44:51 | Torne | If the instructions aren't clear enough submit a patch to the instructions ;) |
| 12:46:31 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24878): add SMAF codec (.mmf extension)(FS #10432) ... |
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| 13:09:29 | ranmachan | Yay! jtag on my sansa c200v2: |
| 13:09:31 | ranmachan | > scan_chain |
| 13:09:31 | ranmachan | TapName Enabled IdCode Expected IrLen IrCap IrMask |
| 13:09:31 | ranmachan | −− −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- −−−−−−−− −−−−−−−−−− −−−−−−−−−− −−−−- −−−−- −−−−−− |
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| 13:09:31 | ranmachan | 0 auto0.tap Y 0x00922f0f 0x00922f0f 4 0x01 0x03 |
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| 13:10:19 | B4gder | yay! |
| 13:11:41 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24879): fix red. ... |
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| 13:16:35 | AlexP | Is uchida's IRC nick also urchida? |
| 13:17:05 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:17:10 | B4gder | the first one :-) |
| 13:17:17 | AlexP | As I'd like to ask him to add the new extensions to the stats plugn and the manual while he is at it, but he doesn't seem to be here |
| 13:17:55 | AlexP | I'd quite like it to be a general "rule" in fact that people are on IRC while they commit stuff |
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| 13:20:40 | * | pondlife notices his cloak didn't work for some reason... |
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| 13:22:47 | AlexP | pondlife: You identified (or your client did) too late so a part and rejoin was faked |
| 13:23:03 | * | Torne has reopened FS #5230, does someone want to have a look/think? :) |
| 13:23:21 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24880): sorry, I forget tools/database/SOURCES. |
| 13:23:32 | pondlife | AlexP: That went over my head a little - but I assume it's a matter of luck ;) |
| 13:24:14 | pondlife | I came on to see if uchida was around - 2K red is a lot for a new PCM codec (that I won't use).... |
| 13:24:46 | pondlife | +18K on ZVMs ;) |
| 13:24:46 | AlexP | It is a matter of how you identify - if you use SASL, or give the nickserv pass as freenode's server password, it will identify before you join a channel and all is good. If you identify normally then it can happen that you identify after you join a channel (but this is off-topic) :) |
| 13:24:59 | AlexP | pondlife: I also wanted to speak to him |
| 13:25:16 | AlexP | I wanted to request that the manual file types appendix and the stats plugin were updated |
| 13:25:35 | AlexP | I'd generally like people to be on IRC when they commit for just this sort of thing |
| 13:26:22 | * | AlexP sends an e-mail |
| 13:27:25 | B4gder | what added those 2K? was it just the metadata parser? |
| 13:27:30 | pondlife | Guesss so |
| 13:27:34 | pondlife | ssss |
| 13:28:18 | pondlife | Wonder if we can move more of the parsing into the codec? |
| 13:28:34 | pondlife | Do we use file extension to choose a codec alone? |
| 13:28:42 | pondlife | (Or contents too?) |
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| 13:46:37 | LinusN | pondlife: i don't think we should move it to the codec, since the metadata is associated with the container, not the codec |
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| 13:59:15 | * | S_a_i_n_t is starting to notice a *lot* of discrepencies between the menu entries and the "Title Bar". Example "Theme Settings/Fonts/" the title bar is "fonts" (lower case f) |
| 13:59:27 | S_a_i_n_t | this seems to happen on quite a few menus... |
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| 14:00:01 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: again, that's because the fonts browser is really just the filebrowser showing you the directory ".rockbox/fonts" |
| 14:00:08 | rasher | (same as plugins, languages, etc) |
| 14:00:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...it *really* would be nice to have them be consistent IMO |
| 14:01:41 | ranmachan | Yay! My C240v2 is now officially unbricked. |
| 14:03:04 | gevaerts | ranmachan: well done! |
| 14:05:18 | S_a_i_n_t | couldn;t that title bar thing be "fixed" prett easily? I mean I understand that when searching out a theme/font/wps its going to be loking in "themes" "font" or "wps"...but the Title Bar could be made to say *anything* for these instances..no? |
| 14:06:19 | rasher | Someone needs to make a way to pass a title to the file browser or something like that |
| 14:06:23 | rasher | Perfectly doable, yes |
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| 14:06:52 | S_a_i_n_t | ...opens up to themes |
| 14:06:52 | S_a_i_n_t | *themers as well I guess. |
| 14:07:20 | rasher | What? |
| 14:07:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I *think* JdGordon mentions something similar as a replacement for %cs |
| 14:08:04 | S_a_i_n_t | but I may of misunderstood it. |
| 14:08:33 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24881): fix yellow |
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| 14:14:47 | pondlife | LinusN: True. The extension indicates the container, not the codec(s)... |
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| 14:25:54 | Torne | pondlife: if that :) |
| 14:26:16 | pondlife | Ah, what did I miss? |
| 14:26:33 | pondlife | Or is the file contents parsed to indicate container format? |
| 14:27:28 | dionoea | that's how you do it yeah (extensions might provide a hint but it's inaccurate and can be plain wrong) |
| 14:28:13 | dionoea | I don't know how it's implemented in rockbox though |
| 14:29:19 | pondlife | I was wondering about Rockbox (pondlife being on-topic for once). |
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| 14:37:43 | dionoea | pondlife: according to apps/metadata.c I'd say that rockbox relies on the extension |
| 14:38:03 | pondlife | That waa my thought, thanks. |
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| 14:45:21 | dionoea | it might be a good idea to have a second pass trying all the metadata plugins if that failed. (I don't know if that would help anybody though, most people have correct extensions) |
| 14:45:40 | pondlife | No, I'm happy not to change that. |
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| 14:46:46 | pondlife | Just wondered if there was some way the metadata parser could be seperated from the core (e.g. container being loaded like codec). Probably not practical. |
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| 14:49:45 | * | dionoea checked how vlc does it: the extension is used as a hint to load the demuxing plugin. If that hint was a false positive it fallbacks to the default module loading scheme which is just to try them all sequentially, sorted acording to a score. |
| 14:50:50 | AlexP | seems a bit unecessary for Rockbox |
| 14:51:07 | AlexP | Or rather overcomplicated for the gain it gives when resources are limited |
| 14:51:47 | dionoea | indeed |
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| 16:08:16 | funman | ranmachan: good job for your c200v2! |
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| 16:09:30 | ranmachan | Thanks |
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| 16:41:23 | saratoga | ranmachan: did you happen to notice what the OF uses for PCLK? |
| 16:45:19 | funman | pclk = memclk = plla/6 (in usb mode) |
| 16:45:53 | ranmachan | saratoga: Posted a clocking block reg dump in the forum |
| 16:46:49 | ranmachan | I want to do another one in normal mode, I guess the easiest way is to put some tape on the usb data lines and hope that will not trigger the USB detection in OF then. |
| 16:47:03 | funman | it's 384MHz in the dump, so pclk = 64MHz |
| 16:48:59 | saratoga | ranmachan: misread |
| 16:49:18 | saratoga | but can you use the JTAG while the player is running normally without USB? |
| 16:51:58 | ranmachan | saratoga: Sure, the JTAG has it's own USB connection :) ranma/c200v2_jtag_ft2232c.jpg">http://uguu.de/~ranma/c200v2_jtag_ft2232c.jpg |
| 16:52:27 | saratoga | ah so you're using the dock connector just for power |
| 16:53:01 | ranmachan | Yeah. I can't put it in the case with all the cables, so I can't use the battery for power. |
| 16:54:36 | amiconn | pondlife: You cannot really separate the metadata parser from the core. Since the codec loaded into codec ram is the one used for the currently playing track, but you need the metadata parser at buffering time, it would mean to have yet another "plugin" type - the metadata parsers - which would need to be changed for each track to be buffered (worst case) |
| 16:54:57 | amiconn | You'd also get a lot of code duplication between them |
| 16:56:29 | pondlife | Like I said, probably a silly idea. I just baulked at the big lump of red delta earlier today. |
| 16:57:04 | pondlife | ~3k for a new format I doubt many will use |
| 16:58:14 | saratoga | why so much? |
| 16:58:49 | AlexP | pondlife: He says he has other formats to add too |
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| 16:59:45 | saratoga | static unsigned char smafbuf[1024]; |
| 16:59:45 | gevaerts | It does things like using a 1K buffer to look at the data |
| 16:59:50 | saratoga | that probabyl doesn't need to be there |
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| 17:00:07 | gevaerts | if it does, it can probably be shared with other parsers |
| 17:00:25 | saratoga | doesn't the metadata parser have some buffer of its own |
| 17:01:34 | saratoga | even if it doesn't we could just read a couple smaller chunks |
| 17:03:35 | saratoga | or just put it on the stack |
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| 17:27:33 | pondlife | Anyone got a link to a SMAF file? |
| 17:30:22 | funman | hm clip bootloader doesn't work anymore |
| 17:30:27 | funman | (clipv1) |
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| 17:31:10 | funman | can someone tell me the svn revision they use on clipv1 bootloader? |
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| 17:42:30 | pondlife | Hmm, my H300 sim crashes on boot (with current SVN) |
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| 17:47:50 | funman | i'll just use the bootloader from the download server |
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| 17:52:41 | funman | what's the "−−type=b:XX" argument in buildserver/builds ? |
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| 17:53:03 | gevaerts | funman: it's "−−type=b" |
| 17:53:09 | gevaerts | : is the column separator |
| 17:53:09 | funman | b=bootloader, :XXX is the score? |
| 17:53:19 | gevaerts | and yes, bootloader |
| 17:54:55 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r24882): Add Clipv2/Clip+ to the buildtable |
| 17:55:42 | gevaerts | funman: the third column should be unique |
| 17:56:16 | gevaerts | s/should/must/ |
| 17:56:40 | funman | ah i messed it for bootloaders |
| 17:57:07 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r24883): Give an unique name to Clipv2 & Clip+ bootloaders |
| 17:57:22 | * | funman wonders why zvm binsize jumped by 18kB in r24878 |
| 17:59:21 | gevaerts | alignment somewhere |
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| 18:00:05 | funman | you mean some sections must be aligned on a several-kB boundary? |
| 18:00:16 | gevaerts | apparently |
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| 18:01:15 | funman | ttbtable is aligned on 16kB |
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| 18:01:42 | funman | it should be put at the end of ram instead |
| 18:02:10 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r24884): calibrate clip+ and clipv2 scores |
| 18:02:58 | funman | hm they take longer than Clipv1, interesting |
| 18:03:54 | gevaerts | they do, yes. I built them twice, and I also built the v1 again to make sure the calibration wasn't off, so it's real |
| 18:04:22 | funman | did you calibrate bootloader? |
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| 18:04:52 | gevaerts | Yes, they're close enough |
| 18:05:30 | gevaerts | Two builds again, v2 750 and 749, + 747 and 792. |
| 18:06:00 | funman | Clipv2 has only 2 different files comparing to Clipv1, and i'd think they're small enough to not make a big difference, i'll ask gcc |
| 18:06:41 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r24885): fix a typo in comment |
| 18:08:01 | funman | hm there is also at least mpegplayer |
| 18:08:21 | funman | if firmware code didn't make a difference for bootloader, then it's only apps/ |
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| 18:09:25 | funman | mpegplayer, lua, libmad-mpeg, and some small differences about usb/radio/armv5 |
| 18:10:34 | gevaerts | those are probably enough to explain this |
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| 18:13:56 | funman | btw, what about using -Werror ? would it result into devs hiding legitimate warnings ? |
| 18:14:30 | gevaerts | Would there be a real point in doing that? |
| 18:14:42 | funman | finding warnings before the build table |
| 18:14:59 | gevaerts | yes, but also making working on code annoying |
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| 18:20:41 | CIA-5 | New commit by pondlife (r24886): Put the SMAF metadata buffer on the stack to save some memory. Only tested with one SMAF file, so please check if you have more. |
| 18:21:44 | * | TheSeven has a certain feeling that this just broke SMAF on nano2g ;-) |
| 18:21:49 | pondlife | Heh |
| 18:21:59 | pondlife | A 1K buffer too big? |
| 18:22:23 | pondlife | Feel free to revert if so... |
| 18:22:50 | TheSeven | which stack will it end up being in? |
| 18:23:08 | pondlife | The main/UI one, I think |
| 18:23:26 | pondlife | Metadata parser, not codec, anyways |
| 18:23:42 | TheSeven | hm, pictureflow and rockboy already manage to overflow that one, while they don't on other targets |
| 18:24:04 | TheSeven | do you have a smaf file for me so that i can check that? |
| 18:24:41 | pondlife | http://smaf-yamaha.com/tools/scas_sample.html ? |
| 18:24:52 | pondlife | You need PCM content |
| 18:25:12 | pondlife | Oops, wrong link |
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| 18:26:42 | pondlife | http://smaf-yamaha.com/what/demo_ma.html |
| 18:28:30 | pondlife | I used MarsMine.mmf |
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| 18:33:00 | pondlife | GuitarMan doesn't work, either with the original commit or the last. |
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| 18:34:52 | TheSeven | pondlife: do i need patchsets or something for those to work? |
| 18:35:08 | pondlife | Not as far as I know |
| 18:35:21 | pondlife | I just put MarsMine.mmf into my simdisk and played it. |
| 18:38:21 | pondlife | I should proabbly mention I'm *onl*y using a sim. |
| 18:38:29 | pondlife | *only*, even |
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| 18:43:43 | * | TheSeven threatens that he might try to fix the lua yellow if nobody else bothers |
| 18:45:29 | * | funman sees no yellow on the table |
| 18:46:55 | TheSeven | funman: it's only turning up when building eabi |
| 18:47:40 | funman | -mabi=eabi ? |
| 18:48:58 | funman | ah there is a −−eabi option to configure, but it seems i need to rebuild gcc |
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| 18:49:28 | astra-x | so the sansa e260 when in rockbox uses mass storage device mode, yet I cannot write to the sansa in this mode. I have to boot into the original firmware and change the usb settings to MTP, what are the recommended ways to put data on the device? |
| 18:49:45 | astra-x | i tried in ubuntu 9.10, Mac OS X 10.6.2 and Windows 7 Ultimate |
| 18:49:49 | saratoga | asf has a 512 byte buffer on the metadata stack |
| 18:49:59 | saratoga | so at worst you could split that read into two 512 byte reads |
| 18:50:37 | saratoga | astra-x: mass storage on the sansa works for almost everyone, maybe its an issue with your pc? |
| 18:50:45 | gevaerts | astra-x: have you checked the filesystem? |
| 18:51:04 | funman | astra-x: do you use MTP software to copy files or just copy/pasting ? |
| 18:51:09 | astra-x | yes, and it linux i become the owner of the mount point and files therein |
| 18:51:16 | astra-x | but it always mounts it read only |
| 18:51:25 | astra-x | and i try remounting it RW but that fails |
| 18:51:28 | gevaerts | does dmesg say something about this? |
| 18:51:31 | astra-x | so i can't do things like chmod to write to it |
| 18:51:34 | funman | linux mounting read only usually means the filesystem has errors |
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| 18:51:39 | astra-x | just gives me the USB info |
| 18:52:05 | astra-x | yet, there is a microsd card in it and all OS'es can read and write fine to the sd card, yet rockbox cannot see any files on it |
| 18:52:23 | astra-x | does it just use vfat? |
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| 18:52:49 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 18:53:22 | astra-x | you can just fsck it the file system? |
| 18:53:53 | MkFly | I'm trying to patch a Sansa c250v1 firmware but I can't run sansapatcher because I don't have root access. Is there a program to patch the OF locally on my machine (so that then I could upgrade the Sansa firmware via recovery mode)? |
| 18:53:55 | astra-x | i just got the unit yesterday too−−it was a refurb from newegg, but seems odd that is already has FS errors |
| 18:55:02 | saratoga | MkFly: just replied to your thread, but I don't think we have such a tool |
| 18:55:12 | astra-x | and yet mtp writes. funniest thing is rhythmbox has no problem playing media from it, but wmp 11 or 12 or whatever is on win7 just does not like it |
| 18:55:26 | gevaerts | fsck.vfat or dosfsck should work, yes |
| 18:56:32 | MkFly | saratoga: Damn. Is there any documentation on the site about the patch files? Something that I could read to see where in the firmware the new code is going? |
| 18:56:58 | astra-x | what about reading the sdcard? should i make the sd just vfat too or ext2? |
| 18:57:13 | astra-x | it shows <microsd> under files yet the .avi i put there is not to be listed |
| 18:57:25 | gevaerts | rockbox supports FAT16 and FAT32 |
| 18:57:39 | gevaerts | check the "show files" setting. It's probably set to "supported" |
| 18:57:56 | astra-x | thanks guys |
| 18:58:18 | rasher | Yeah, that sounds like your "Show files" setting isn't what you expect it to be |
| 18:58:54 | gevaerts | which usually means that you discovered the quickscreen by accident |
| 18:59:33 | saratoga | MkFly: the sansapatcher program, but its probably much easier for you to just boot into linux off a CD and patch from there |
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| 18:59:42 | saratoga | would take maybe 5 minutes once you've downloaded the ISO |
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| 19:00:41 | MkFly | saratoga: I would, but this is a university machine and doesn't let you boot from anything but the HDD |
| 19:01:06 | MkFly | saratoga: Where can I find the source for sansapatcher? |
| 19:01:16 | astra-x | gevaerts: quick screen? |
| 19:01:59 | gevaerts | The manual knows all about it! |
| 19:02:33 | saratoga | MkFly: its in rbutil/sansapatcher |
| 19:02:55 | * | astra-x reads the manual |
| 19:03:08 | astra-x | does usb HID usually cause problems for windows? |
| 19:03:12 | MkFly | saratoga: ah, found it, thanks |
| 19:03:30 | gevaerts | astra-x: it has happened |
| 19:03:49 | astra-x | just wondering, seems to work really well on ubuntu 9.10 |
| 19:05:11 | astra-x | though file browser can see the .txt files in / of the e260, like batterybench.txt |
| 19:05:55 | JdGordon | rasher: the wps stuff shouldnt be in the manual because 1) its too long already which is scaring people away, and 2) it changes too often, and the wiki is FAR easier to keep updated |
| 19:06:59 | gevaerts | JdGordon: could you try FS #11027 on sh one of these days? |
| 19:07:07 | rasher | 1) The WPS tags are in an appendix 2) Why is the wiki easier to keep updated? If anything, once you're touching the code, it's simpler to updated the manual and include it in the commit, surely? |
| 19:07:36 | JdGordon | gevaerts: remind me this evening or tomorow (I'm taking the day off work so should have plenty of time) |
| 19:07:48 | gevaerts | ok |
| 19:07:52 | JdGordon | because TeX is an abomination on the earth |
| 19:09:19 | saratoga | TeX is actually not that bad once you get used to it, particularly compared to trying the same degree of customization and preprocessing in Word |
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| 19:15:29 | rasher | Or the wiki... |
| 19:15:55 | rasher | It's not like you have to create the manual each time |
| 19:17:14 | JdGordon | except you do. it needs to be built, and then opened and make sure its correct... wiki is far simpler |
| 19:17:52 | rasher | I mean you don't really have to do any tex work |
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| 19:19:34 | cfp | hello everyone! |
| 19:20:00 | cfp | I think that FS #8983 can be closed (I opened it a long time ago (see my comment)) |
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| 19:21:25 | funman | cfp: done |
| 19:21:33 | cfp | cool |
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| 19:23:17 | cfp | I've just posted a very basic alarm clock patch, at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11056 . Could someone have a look? |
| 19:24:04 | cfp | I don't really know if this is going to be useful to many people, but I'd been thinking about it for a long time. |
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| 19:31:37 | funman | int alarm[2] seems weird to store minutes/seconds |
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| 19:31:47 | funman | what about int minutes and int seconds? |
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| 19:35:40 | funman | and i would make int current a bool show_minutes or show_seconds, and use show_minutes = !show_minutes to switch |
| 19:35:55 | funman | (perhaps i should comment on the tracker) |
| 19:36:13 | cfp | funman: it allowed me to not duplicate the code to add/substract minutes or seconds |
| 19:36:35 | cfp | funman: this way, I could simply use + 1 mod max[current] |
| 19:36:55 | funman | hm i see |
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| 19:37:38 | cfp | funman: whereas I would have to use if (show_minutes) minutes = (minutes + 1) % 60 else etc. |
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| 19:39:11 | cfp | funman: I thought it would be a cleaner approach, but clean coding is not really my cup of tea |
| 19:39:39 | cfp | funman: otherwise, do you like the concept? |
| 19:39:45 | funman | % should be avoided in performance critical code, but here it's alright i guess |
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| 19:39:54 | funman | yes, although my players do not have enough runtime to use it :) |
| 19:40:36 | cfp | funman: hmm :) I just leave my own charging overnight, usually |
| 19:40:51 | cfp | funman: not good for the battery though (I guess) |
| 19:41:54 | funman | Unhelpful: afaiu lua's os_exit() doesn't return |
| 19:42:02 | funman | TheSeven: ^ (not Unhelpful) |
| 19:42:39 | cfp | funman: by the way, why should % be avoided in perf-critical code? Isn't it pretty efficient (as in O(h)?) |
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| 19:44:00 | funman | i would think doing the > or < comparison is simpler |
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| 19:49:33 | funman | TheSeven: gcc assumes os_exit() doesn't return even with a 'return 0' so there is no instruction after the call to exit() (== longjmp). |
| 19:49:48 | * | iq wonders if writing a plugin would be a good start to do some coding. |
| 19:49:52 | cfp | funman: sure, but it adds some lines to the code, and here the euclidean division is pretty fast anyway... (I'm just lazy I guess) |
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| 19:52:22 | funman | hm i don't understand where longjmp is defined, I see apps/codecs/lib/setjmp_arm.S but it doesn't look like what I see in disassembly |
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| 19:54:34 | funman | ah it's this one, i got confused by the macros |
| 19:54:59 | funman | I don't get why "tst lr, #1\n moveq pc, lr \n bx lr" is needed, wouldn't "bx lr" be enough ? |
| 19:56:20 | funman | cfp: can you write something in the manual for this plugin? |
| 19:57:42 | cfp | funman: I sure can :) |
| 19:57:47 | funman | cfp: i'll commit it with s/128/sizeof(info)/ in draw(), if you agree with it |
| 19:58:06 | funman | that avoid problems when the string needs to be enlarged in some future |
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| 19:58:18 | cfp | funman: absolutely |
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| 19:59:42 | cfp | funman: is a screenshot needed ? |
| 19:59:54 | funman | hm you didn't put a licence header in the new file |
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| 20:01:08 | cfp | nope |
| 20:01:09 | cfp | I shall |
| 20:01:37 | funman | http://pastie.org/840971 is ok? |
| 20:02:18 | CIA-5 | New commit by bertrik (r24887): Add missing #include in libpcm codecs |
| 20:02:30 | funman | i think a screenshot isn't needed, for example there's none for the text editor |
| 20:03:08 | cfp | funman: perfect! |
| 20:03:17 | cfp | funman: I see one problem though |
| 20:04:03 | cfp | when no playlist control file has been created, an error message is displayed (error accessing playlist control file) |
| 20:04:11 | funman | oh |
| 20:04:17 | cfp | can this be avoided? |
| 20:04:21 | funman | no idea |
| 20:05:19 | cfp | (I actually took the audio resume code from the playback menu, so the same happens when using the audio playback menu from any plugin) |
| 20:05:34 | cfp | therefore I don't really think it's a problem |
| 20:05:43 | cfp | provided it errors out very cleanly |
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| 20:07:36 | funman | i'm not familiar with this code so i prefer if someone else can comment on it |
| 20:07:51 | cfp | sure |
| 20:07:59 | cfp | I'll add a comment then on the tracker |
| 20:09:20 | TheSeven | pondlife (for the logs): smaf is totally broken on nano2g |
| 20:09:52 | TheSeven | metadata is sometimes fine, sometimes garbage, but it doesn't ever play anything with any of those test files |
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| 20:27:52 | iq | How do we expose the string "testing" for plugin CATEGORIES file? |
| 20:27:59 | gevaerts | Has anyone ever noticed that RoLo between an eabi-built binary and a standard binary doesn't work? |
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| 20:29:08 | gevaerts | iq: what do you mean? |
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| 20:30:08 | iq | gevaerts, I'm reading this 'How to Write Plugin', You also need to add your plugin to the CATEGORIES textfile which is in the same directory as well (e.g.: "testing,apps" will have plugin "testing" show up under the applications category). |
| 20:31:36 | gevaerts | iq: if you want the line "testing,apps" to work for your plugin, you have to name your plugin "testing". If you don't like that name, use "name_you_like,apps" |
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| 20:31:43 | soap | anyone upgraded to Thunderbird 3 yet? |
| 20:32:34 | soap | sorry |
| 20:33:07 | iq | gevaerts, I think I didn't get the part where we name the plugin. It is not in helloworld.c |
| 20:33:49 | gevaerts | iq: indeed it's not. the name for helloworld.c is helloworld |
| 20:34:02 | gevaerts | A boring system, but it works :) |
| 20:34:13 | iq | gevaerts, oh okay - so it is the file name - thanks :) |
| 20:37:38 | TheSeven | gevaerts: rolo from standard to eabi did work at least once for me |
| 20:38:03 | TheSeven | and there is no reason why it shouldn't work, at least if it works with different binaries at all |
| 20:38:04 | * | gevaerts has the plasma plugin running in the audio buffer \☺/ |
| 20:38:21 | JdGordon_ | you know the audio buffer can move around right? |
| 20:38:25 | TheSeven | and you know about that cpucache_invalidate bug... |
| 20:38:36 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: *the* audio buffer can't :) |
| 20:39:08 | JdGordon_ | the handles can move around |
| 20:39:25 | gevaerts | only if you use handles |
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| 20:39:39 | gevaerts | I'm not using advanced allocation systems yet, I just wanted to know if it would run if I load it outside the regular plugin buffer |
| 20:39:46 | JdGordon_ | oh good lord.. what have you done!?! |
| 20:39:47 | JdGordon_ | :) |
| 20:40:11 | gevaerts | I changed some lines in plugin.c, plugins.make and plugin.lds. That's all! |
| 20:40:18 | JdGordon_ | cool |
| 20:40:30 | gevaerts | fft is going to be silly if I stop playback... |
| 20:40:47 | CIA-5 | New commit by bertrik (r24888): Kill some global variables |
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| 20:43:59 | gevaerts | hm |
| 20:44:13 | gevaerts | Prefect abort at C0EDBABE (0) |
| 20:45:18 | gevaerts | *prefetch |
| 20:45:36 | bertrik | is C0EDBABE something from rockbox? |
| 20:45:49 | gevaerts | I can't find it. It must be though |
| 20:46:41 | gevaerts | some plugins work, but most crash |
| 20:47:22 | JdGordon_ | isnt the whole stack set to C0EDBABE so we know if it stackov's? |
| 20:48:05 | amiconn | It's set to 0xDEAFBEEF |
| 20:48:17 | TheSeven | really? |
| 20:48:38 | amiconn | 0xC0EDBABE is some PP specific "nothing here" thingy |
| 20:48:58 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
| 20:49:05 | cfp | funman: posted a new patch, with a manual section (that does need a native speaker's love :s). I also added a note about the potential 'bug'. |
| 20:49:25 | cfp | funman: could you please add the modification that you suggested about the hardcoded string buffer length? |
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| 20:50:23 | cfp | Could somebody have a look to the bug that I mentioned on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11056 ? |
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| 20:51:14 | cfp | It is related to the way that _playback menu_ handles the playlist control file when it has not been created yet |
| 20:52:23 | JdGordon_ | what do you expect playback to do if there is no resume info? |
| 20:52:40 | CIA-5 | New commit by bertrik (r24889): Partially revert svn r24888 that causes build failure on coldfire targets |
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| 20:53:19 | * | gevaerts wonders if he should submit bug reports about plugin keymaps if he only tried using his weird builds |
| 20:53:35 | JdGordon_ | that would be a no :) |
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| 20:54:08 | pixelma | which plugins? |
| 20:54:10 | gevaerts | I find it annoying that if I manage to find a plugin that actually works, I can't get out of it! |
| 20:54:23 | gevaerts | pixelma: fire and demistify at least, on e200 |
| 20:55:22 | JdGordon_ | doesnt the menu/power button work? |
| 20:55:34 | pixelma | fire definitely uses PLA, not sure about demystify |
| 20:55:51 | gevaerts | not for me anyway. I'll test later with a normal build |
| 20:56:13 | JdGordon_ | do any buttons work? |
| 20:56:51 | pixelma | which reminds me of the "simplify PLA patch" kugel started and wanted to commit after the 3.5 release |
| 20:57:09 | gevaerts | hm, not in those plugins |
| 20:57:11 | cfp | JdGordon_: Nothing indeed |
| 20:57:21 | JdGordon_ | then what's the problem? |
| 20:57:24 | cfp | and I do think that erroring out this way is ok |
| 20:57:39 | cfp | it's just that funman wanted to be sure before commiting my patch |
| 20:57:39 | pixelma | demystify was made PLA too |
| 20:57:49 | gevaerts | hm, the plugins that have a menu are a bit boring. All menu entries are "Yes" |
| 20:57:52 | pixelma | maybe all of those have problems? |
| 20:58:10 | JdGordon_ | gevaerts: sounds like you arn't quite there yet then :) |
| 20:58:23 | JdGordon_ | those are all static globals |
| 20:58:30 | gevaerts | apparently not :) |
| 20:58:35 | JdGordon_ | menu items and button tables |
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| 20:59:47 | pixelma | gevaerts: does e.g. clocks work? |
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| 21:00:42 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:00:57 | gevaerts | that one also has a weird looking screen |
| 21:01:50 | pixelma | could it really be a problem with PLA and your patch then? |
| 21:02:03 | gevaerts | probably |
| 21:02:44 | * | TheSeven moans about a buggy panicf() |
| 21:02:46 | * | gevaerts finds a table with absolute addresses :( |
| 21:03:21 | TheSeven | there's a stupid off-by-one error in there |
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| 21:07:19 | iq | I was thinking of adding a line on HowtoWritePlugins wiki page but I don't have permission/access to do so. |
| 21:07:41 | TheSeven | wiki name? |
| 21:08:32 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24890): FS #11049 - Brickmania: Make brick a two-dimensional array |
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| 21:09:34 | TheSeven | iq: done |
| 21:09:50 | iq | thanks TheSeven |
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| 21:17:47 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: have you tried the latest synced fm patch? I wonder if your button problem is fixed |
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| 21:20:37 | gevaerts | ok, I think my approach for load-address independent plugins won't work |
| 21:21:17 | gevaerts | It has issues as soon as you try exotic features like "const" |
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| 21:21:49 | TheSeven | what's the issue? |
| 21:21:57 | gevaerts | or actually, it has issues as soon as you have compile-time initialised pointer tables |
| 21:22:12 | TheSeven | hm, let's go for coff then? |
| 21:22:24 | gevaerts | yes, probably |
| 21:22:40 | JdGordon_ | coff? |
| 21:23:33 | gevaerts | I don't think my simple .gop approach can be fixed to work in all cases, and if we go for a full relocator (which we will need), I think using an existing format sounds smart |
| 21:23:35 | TheSeven | common object file format |
| 21:23:48 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: where you live it might be better known as PE |
| 21:24:07 | Torne | coff is yucky! |
| 21:24:15 | TheSeven | not exactly, PE is COFF with an additional header |
| 21:24:16 | * | Torne srsly suggests someone look into elf2flt if you are doing that |
| 21:24:50 | CIA-5 | New commit by FlynDice (r24891): sd-as3525v2.c: Correct some #defines, add comments, attempt to lower sd frequency to 400 khz during init. ... |
| 21:25:01 | gevaerts | TheSeven: true, it's more of a variant |
| 21:25:28 | Torne | i suspect flt would serve our needs quite well and it's just a postprocessing step on a non-fully-linked .elf |
| 21:26:01 | Torne | so it's possibly just a matter of jamming -r on LDFLAGS for plugins and changing the linker script to have less addresses |
| 21:26:41 | JdGordon_ | is there any point useing this for codecs also? so you could eliminate memmoves when tracks dont use the same codec? |
| 21:26:53 | Torne | quite possibly |
| 21:26:58 | JdGordon_ | and then there should be no need to 64MB and 32MB builds? |
| 21:27:03 | Torne | but making it handle IRAM could be awkward |
| 21:27:29 | Torne | with the plugin just loading into pluginbuf I *thinK* that's probably easy |
| 21:27:36 | Torne | based on not really having looked into it very much :) |
| 21:28:19 | gevaerts | IRAM can't be shared of course, but surely that shouldn't make fixed-IRAM+dynamic-DRAM impossible? |
| 21:28:31 | Torne | Oh, if you assume onluy one thing is using iram, then sure |
| 21:28:41 | Torne | you link the iram section at absolute addresses in the link script exactly as we do now |
| 21:28:49 | Torne | maybe. |
| 21:28:54 | Torne | again, wild speculation |
| 21:29:00 | Torne | uClinux doesn't have anything like that :) |
| 21:30:04 | gevaerts | You could of course also do IRAM in a relocatable way. That would be even more fun, but I'm not sure if we can do that without a performance hit |
| 21:30:13 | Torne | well you could, but not with flt, i'm pretty sure |
| 21:30:33 | Torne | the format is too trivial to have arbitrary sections |
| 21:33:42 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24892): FS #10643 - Cowon D2: Chopper game control using hardware buttons ... |
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| 21:37:36 | Torne | http://www.beyondlogic.org/uClinux/bflt.htm <- describes the flat format, btw |
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| 21:41:51 | FlynDice | How do I get rid of a warning for an unused variable? I just have to read from the register and not use the value. Can I do void temp = ... ; ? |
| 21:42:29 | gevaerts | Torne: that does indeed look reasonably simple |
| 21:42:38 | gevaerts | FlynDice: (void)variable; is quite common |
| 21:42:47 | FlynDice | thx |
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| 21:42:58 | Torne | gevaerts: the problem is i don't know if it's easily possible to have some addresses *actually* known |
| 21:43:13 | Torne | e.g. iram and the like |
| 21:43:17 | Torne | and maybe rb? i forget how that works |
| 21:43:17 | Torne | :) |
| 21:43:34 | TheSeven | Torne: IRAM shouldn't be a problem - those just don't get .reloc entries |
| 21:43:35 | Torne | the linker script elf2flt wants to use maps everything to increasing address starting from 0 |
| 21:43:37 | gevaerts | rb works by Magic :) |
| 21:43:53 | Torne | so if iram is there, then, er, asplode? |
| 21:43:54 | Torne | maybe |
| 21:44:11 | Torne | i'm gonna take a look at the source of elf2flt which is about all teh docs it has other than the above page ;) |
| 21:44:16 | Torne | but it's dinenrtime now, so back in a bit |
| 21:48:51 | FlynDice | I know I'm leaving yellow on the build table but I need to go now, I will attempt to fix it later tonight when I get in. |
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| 21:54:07 | JdGordon_ | anyone got a link to the sandisk response about the crap DAC in the clip? |
| 21:54:16 | | Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 21:54:29 | JdGordon_ | where they say its not a high end DAP so they dont care about it not being 44.1khz exactly or something? |
| 21:56:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24893): Rockblox: Rename Rotate Left|Right to Rotate CW|CCW |
| 21:57:07 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/09/24/sandisk-our-sound-fidelity-isn%E2%80%99t-perfect/ |
| 21:57:24 | JdGordon_ | thanks |
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| 21:59:37 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24894): Rockblox: For touchscreen targets, left/right goes to CCW/CW respectively, and ... |
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| 22:08:09 | pixelma | JdGordon_: didn't notice there was an update |
| 22:08:34 | JdGordon_ | a few days ago |
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| 22:08:43 | JdGordon_ | it shuoold still be in sync.. hopefully |
| 22:09:26 | pixelma | did you fix the warnings yet? |
| 22:09:39 | JdGordon_ | no |
| 22:09:53 | JdGordon_ | they are all just unused vars so nothing to worry about |
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| 22:11:54 | AsaelReiter | why does the build table contain the clipv2/+ only from 24885? |
| 22:12:17 | gevaerts | guess! |
| 22:13:12 | AsaelReiter | are those players finally support rockbox? |
| 22:13:45 | JdGordon_ | rockbox runs, but alot is missing still |
| 22:15:02 | AsaelReiter | (I checked it yesterday and it did not work. what had been change? |
| 22:15:42 | gevaerts | Being on the build table doesn't mean that a target is stable and usable |
| 22:16:35 | AsaelReiter | well, It was compiled successfully before that is became into the table. |
| 22:16:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24895): Rockblox: Map touchscreen top-middle to rotate CW ... |
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| 22:17:12 | AsaelReiter | and it did not even run on my clipv2 (yesterday. should I check again?) |
| 22:17:38 | Schmogel | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Port_Status |
| 22:18:00 | saratoga | AsaelReiter: instead of asking every day you could just read the website |
| 22:18:48 | gevaerts | AsaelReiter: a target appearing on the build table means that it has been added to the build table. Nothing more, nothing less |
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| 22:19:25 | AsaelReiter | thanks. |
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