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#rockbox log for 2010-02-24

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00:00:48iqthanks Torne
00:01:08Tornethe #ifdefs for the simulator are normally pretty obvious ;)
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00:02:44foalyHey, I noticed in this new build, when I go into a menu the disk spins up. This didn't used to happen. What's it doing?
00:03:00Torneany menu, or just the filebrowser?
00:03:11gevaertsdo you have dircache enabled?
00:03:18foalySeems any menu
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00:04:02foalyYeah, dircache is one of the first things I turned on after booting the player. heh
00:04:17Tornedo you have a voice file installed?
00:04:31Torne(and is it voicing?)
00:04:56foalyYep. It didn't used to make the disk spin up when I opened a menu though
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00:20:56JdGordon_foaly: what font are you using? are there vastly different characters in the menus as your wps?
00:21:02JdGordon_(thats unlikely the reason thgouh)
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00:25:30foalyNo idea, I'm just using the defaults, except I've enabled dircache, keyclick and just now the equalizer
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03:03:30mc2739pamaury: for the logs - I could not get your debug patch to work properly. It hangs the e200 while scanning disk.
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06:58:18CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24874): some minor changes to checkwps, shouldn't change anything
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07:15:57CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24875): make the parser spit out filenames of images it cant load
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07:19:27CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r24876): Change how touchscreen regions work slightly... "It modifies the behaviour of touch buttons to be more similar to the way gui buttons operate in ...
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07:29:09JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: FS #10996 is still valid?
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07:39:21tomersJdGordon: ping
07:41:19tomersJdGordon: following r24871, I think that the recorder quick screen is a bit buggy
07:41:41JdGordonI'm not exactly surprised
07:42:23tomersthe QS controls statusbar, but the bottom statusbar doesn't vanish when you set it to TOP, etc.
07:42:30tomersit feels totally broken
07:43:29JdGordonfeel free to pick a better setting to put there
07:43:37tomersi don't really care about it (have no such DAP) but when I fixed FS #11037 I've noticed it.
07:44:08tomersit's not about what settings to have, it's about whether the statusbar works correctly on that target
07:44:14S_a_i_n_tHmmm...My bootloader is saying "cannot load linux.bin", but I'm trying to boot to OF, what's going on?
07:44:30S_a_i_n_tapple_os.ipod is present...and where it should eb.
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07:45:30tomersJdGordon: can you compile the recorder simulator and see for yourself? it might be a bug in the statusbar code, sbs, whatever, I'm not that familiar with that
07:45:31JdGordontomers: well, if someone actually used that target and cared they would have let us know
07:45:42tomersJdGordon: ok...
07:45:48JdGordonthe statusbar shouldnt be there
07:45:54JdGordonon the QS i mean
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07:46:52tomersJdGordon: if it's just one line solution (disable it) than can you please try and do it? or let me know what to do?
07:47:17JdGordonit is, but then we need to decide a better item to put there
07:47:31JdGordonfrankly I dont care that much, noone uses the recorder
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07:48:44tomersi would like to think that Rockbox v4 should drop support for charcell targets (hope noone takes this personally)
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07:49:46JdGordonthere is no way charcell and hwcodec will die any timesoon
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08:08:54pixelmaJdGordon: there's a tracker entry for the broken F3 quickscreen since last weekend - and it's not only visually broken but causes crashes
08:11:17pixelmawell, actually you can't tell if it is visually broken because the crashes happen on entering
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08:21:10S_a_i_n_tcan anyone else confirm they have "2) OSOS contains Rockbox and the Rockbox bootloader" working?
08:21:48S_a_i_n_tit's failing for me while attempting to boot into OF with "cannot load linux.bin"
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09:17:57linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Torne would be the person to ask. But looking at the bootloader source code, it only tries to load linux.bin if you're holding the PLAY button.
09:18:45S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: well...something is broken then.
09:19:18S_a_i_n_t*as I'm definately not holding the play button....hold is on while it's booting, so I couldn;t be anyway :P
09:21:13linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: And you're compiling your own bootloader from current SVN, without any changes?
09:26:58linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Then it doesn't make any sense. You'll need to debug it yourself - e.g. by adding "printf" statements into the bootloader to see what's going on.
09:28:03linuxstbAt line 320 (i.e. directly after btn=key_pressed();) you could add the two lines "verbose=true;" and "printf("btn=%d",btn);" to show what button(s) the bootloader thinks are pressed.
09:28:37S_a_i_n_ti'm updating/reintalling with latest svn to double-check i didn't mess it up myself.
09:29:12S_a_i_n_t...then i'll try that if its still messed up
09:29:32S_a_i_n_ts/that/your suggestion/
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09:57:36knittlhi guys
09:57:38knittlquick question
09:57:49knittlhow to update rockbox on my player?
09:59:30knittlsimply copy the new .rockbox?
09:59:57B4gderunzip a new rockbox zip
10:07:21knittlB4gder: yes, "simply copy the new .rockbox"
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10:07:53B4gderthat's not what I advice, no
10:08:05peturunless .rockbox is the folder ;)
10:08:09linuxstbknittl: The recommended way is "extract the to the root (top-level) directory of your player"
10:08:23linuxstbi.e. extract the zip to the device, not extract to your PC then copy
10:08:24knittllinuxstb: oh ok
10:08:39knittlbut when installing the first time it says unpack on pc
10:08:53linuxstbWhat is "it" ? The Rockbox manual?
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10:09:29knittlit is rockbox in that case
10:09:33knittlfollowing the manual
10:09:59B4gderwhere does it say unpack on a PC?
10:10:32knittlbtw, it still says on the homepage sansa e200v2 is unusable
10:11:04rasherknittl: No it doesn't
10:11:07linuxstbWhich homepage? lists it as stable.
10:11:24knittlmy bad
10:11:25Mode"#rockbox -o rasher" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:11:31knittland ok … it actually says unzip on device
10:11:47knittlwhy not extract+copy?
10:12:09B4gderbecause people mess up then
10:12:13B4gdereven more
10:12:18linuxstbIt's an unnecessary extra step.
10:12:31linuxstbAnd as B4gder says, the more steps you have, the more chance something goes wrong.
10:12:38knittlya, i understand
10:13:04knittlbut bootloader doesn't have to be updated? only .rockbox?
10:13:16linuxstbCorrect - the bootloader rarely changes.
10:13:31knittlok great. thanks a bunch!
10:17:42S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: I figured it out...rockbox.ipod was in the OSOS, but it wasn't in /.rockbox
10:18:15S_a_i_n_t*slaps forhaed*
10:18:21S_a_i_n_t*head rather
10:18:52linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: Huh? That shouldn't have given you a "linux.bin" error. And if it's in the OSOS, it shouldn't be needed in .rockbox.
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10:23:13S_a_i_n_tlinuxstb: Hmmm,'re quite correct. it (rockbox.ipod) doesn;t need to be in /.rockbox/ if its in OSOS...I forgot that. I just deleted it, and got the same linux.bin error, then hard restarted and it works all of a sudden
10:23:37*S_a_i_n_t fails to see what (if anything) he did wrong, and whats going on here...
10:24:34AsusFreakHi. I just want to confirm that the checkwps tool on the upload side is working again. Yesterday it causes some errors while uploading themes. Today it seems to be fixed - uploading worked well. Thank you.
10:29:07rasherJdGordon: Why do you think WPS tags don't belong in the manual? least there wouldnt de any descrepancies between the wiki and the manual then :P
10:31:51gevaertsIf it appears in only one place, I think that place should be the manual
10:32:10*gevaerts also thinks that most plugin pages on the wiki should go
10:32:17rasherI agree, on both points
10:32:33rasherIn fact, probably all plugin pages?
10:33:56gevaertspages like PluginMpegPlayer and PluginDoom can stay I think. Those have content that I think isn't for the manual
10:34:18rasherAh yes
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10:50:57AlexPIs it bertrik or buschel who is Mr. Musepack?
10:52:58*S_a_i_n_t suggests release build should just come with cabbie & the default font...
10:53:46rasherS_a_i_n_t: that's the idea really
10:54:24S_a_i_n_teverything else is available on the site or through rbutil
10:54:43gevaertsAlexP: that's Buschel
10:56:57S_a_i_n_ti find i end up just deleting everything except cabbie and its font (a good 4~5 full themes + fonts)..then just add the theme i use.
10:57:19S_a_i_n_ti assume a few others do the same.
10:58:31B4gderto fit 3 seconds of more music!
10:58:46S_a_i_n_tas i *never* use them...
10:59:07rasherWell it does make sense to remove the themes - there's no good reason for us to ship them really
10:59:24B4gderthat I agree with
10:59:26gevaertsyes, I agree there
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10:59:35gevaertsBut removing them from the device afterwards?
11:00:23AlexPYes, I agree to remove the other themes
11:00:32AlexPAnd stick them on the theme site
11:00:57AlexPgevaerts: There is a question about which version of musepack we support on the forums
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11:01:19S_a_i_n_twhy not? why have someting sitting there taking up any space at all if its not used? be it 10K or 10MB
11:02:07AlexPI wouldn't wory about the space persoanlly, but I might remove them so as to not clutter up the theme selection menu
11:02:07S_a_i_n_tand...some of the themes are just terrible... ;p
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11:03:12AlexPS_a_i_n_t: If somone were to put all the shipped (save Cabbie v2) themes on the themesite, it would help to get them removed... :) that a hint?
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11:04:00AlexPS_a_i_n_t: maybe :)
11:04:37S_a_i_n_tare thy *not* all there? whats missing?
11:07:25rasherI don't think any of them are there
11:07:48gevaertsunifont is reasonably big, but I don't think we can really remove that
11:10:17rasherWould be nice to have a unifont version of cabbie (on targets where it's at all possible)
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11:16:17S_a_i_n_tremoving unifont makes sense on quite a few targets...
11:16:48S_a_i_n_tnano for instance, its just TOO big
11:17:39rasherS_a_i_n_t: I disagree
11:17:56rasherS_a_i_n_t: for some it's the only font that works for their language.
11:18:27rasherUnless the height of the screen is less than 2 lines of unifont, it makes sense
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11:18:37rasher(but a cabbie port doesn't)
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11:20:51fizzmaisterHello, I have a question that I didn't see in the manual. I have a gen 5 ipod (30G video) and I was wondering how Rockbox would treat .txt files on it. As you probably know, the ipod has a character limit for each .txt file and a limit of 1000 that it will see on the ipod. Does Rockbox act the same way or is it more sane?
11:21:34ZagorI wonder if "complete/incomplete" are better names than "stable/unstable" for the ports. the unstable ones are not necessarily unstable.
11:21:44funmanfizzmaister: the limits of the OF do not affect rockbox
11:22:20fizzmaisterHello, I have a question that I didn't see in the manual. I have a gen 5 ipod (30G video) and I was wondering how Rockbox would treat .txt files on it. As you probably know, the ipod has a character limit for each .txt file and a limit of 1000 that it will see on the ipod. Does Rockbox act the same way or is it more sane?
11:23:06Zagorfizzmaister: please read the response funman gave you
11:26:48fizzmaisterOk thanks, I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't a hardware thing.
11:29:13fizzmaisterwow, sorry for the lag
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11:40:23Casainhohello :-)
11:41:15Casainhocan someone tell me if 4MBytes SDRAM is needed on Rockbox as minimum, is that for do audio codec ou for the grafics color LCD?
11:42:22Casainhobecause I would like to know if a 100MHz ARM Cortex M3 with external bus for SDRAM, would be ok for running Rockbox (with a small color LCD)
11:42:43funmanCasainho: c200v2 has 2MB +320kB of SDRAM, with a color LCD
11:43:15TheSeveneven though i would go for 4M, and not for 2
11:43:20funmanplayback is somehow buggy though
11:43:55Casainhoand the problem for playback is because of less memory or of processor power?
11:44:12funmanless memory, so TheSeven's advice would avoid it
11:44:39Casainhodo you know what MCU it have? it's dual core?
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11:45:32funmansingle core arm922tdmi
11:45:55funman has a link to the SoC datasheet
11:46:09Casainhofunman: ok, at 200MHz?
11:46:17funmanTheSeven: i'll try to steal the nano3g from my brother this week end
11:46:40funmanCasainho: 250MHz
11:46:58Casainhofunman: that internal 320Kb are important for audio decoding?
11:46:59B4gder"The processor executes Thumb®-2 instruction set"
11:47:09B4gder(cortex m3)
11:47:10funmanCasainho: no
11:47:26B4gderthat sounds like a reaaaaly good choice ;-)
11:47:30CasainhoB4gder: and can that be a problem?
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11:48:39Casainhoso, I need to continue with ARM9
11:48:47TheSevenor Cortex Ax
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11:49:00B4gderCasainho: you have a bazillion options really
11:49:32CasainhoI was looking for NXP, TI and Atmel ARM Cortex M3
11:49:47Casainhothe problem is that ARM9 have a big pin count...
11:50:25CasainhoI would like to try make a player like that Sansa C200
11:50:52Casainhosmall LCD and features, but good audio and SD Card storage
11:51:17TheSevenCortex M series just won't work, you'll either need an A-series Cortex or an "old" ARM
11:52:18TheSevenwhy not just a s3c2440 or something?
11:54:47Casainhowell, I can't produce a board for that
11:55:07Casainhoand so we stick with Mini2440, which have that one S3C2440
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11:58:16TheSevenwhat's the problem with the 2440? if you can't produce a board for that, will you be able to produce one for any other suitable soc?
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12:00:58TheSevenprobably all of them will be quite similar in regards to pin count / packaging
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12:30:06TorneS_a_i_n_t: I have rockbox and the bootloader in OSOS, that's the reason I wrote the code to support that. And you *must not* have rockbox.ipod in .rockbox or the one in OSOS will not be used. There is no explanation for your problem other than the buttons being read wrong or otherwise defective :)
12:30:18CIA-5New commit by uchida (r24877): libpcm: deletes PCM_CHUNK_SIZE. ...
12:30:57TorneTheSeven: we really should work out how to get rockbox to build in thumb/thumb2
12:31:32Tornethat's the only reason we couldn't run on an M3 that had a suitably sized external RAM
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12:31:59S_a_i_n_tTorne: it *seemed* to be a problem with just that version? or something currupted on transfer...not sure? I updated to current SVN and it did it once, then I figured I should restart (duh), and it was fine.
12:32:15Tornethat seems spectacularly unlikely, but who knows :)
12:33:12Tornethe code is entirely trivial: if hold is on or menu is pressed, boot the original firmware (from apple_os.ipod if that exists, otherwise from OSOS if it's there, otherwise crash), if play is pressed boot linux.bin, otherwise boot rockbox (from rockbox.ipod if it exists, otherwise from OSOS if it's there, otherwise crash)
12:33:24Tornethere is no fallback path that leads to a *different* OS being booted than the one you selected
12:34:04TheSeventhe most reasonable fallback would be diskmode ;-)
12:34:15Torneso if you see the linux.bin error message then the bootloader *definately* saw the play button pressed
12:34:27Torneand if you weren't pressing it then either our driver is broken or your hardware is ;)
12:34:40TorneTheSeven: Indeed :)
12:34:45TorneTheSeven: Havne't had time to try that one out yet though
12:34:59Torneactually hm, i guess we could boot the rom disk mode
12:35:11Torneinstead of bringing in the rockbox usb stack
12:35:25TheSevenjust write that magic "diskmodehotstuff\x01\0\0" string to a certain location before crashing :-)
12:35:46S_a_i_n_twell, as I said...booting to RB was fine, then I tried to boot to OF (not sure why I did that actually, I never do) and booting to OF using menu doesn;t seem to work (but apparently it used to or does for some targets?) so I have to boot into OF using hold, so I figure I *cant* of been pressing play.
12:36:00S_a_i_n_tnot sure WTF was going on...but its fixed now :D
12:36:02TorneS_a_i_n_t: booting to menu should work, but it has been reported in the distant past that it doesn't work for some people
12:36:08Torneperhaps on certain models only
12:36:18Tornethe hold switch option was added later because of that
12:36:34Torneare you actually booting rockbox from osos thoguh? :)
12:36:59TorneTheSeven: well, we could just wait for a button press and start disk mode from rom if pressed says in the manual for Nano at least that menu probably shouldn;t, as it doesn;t
12:37:19TorneS_a_i_n_t: I would want confirmation from multiple Nano owners before we changed that
12:37:23Torneit *should* work on every target
12:37:26Torneer, model
12:37:52S_a_i_n_tmenu doesn;t work for you does it?
12:37:56Torneif it doesn't work for an entir emodel then the opto code in the bootloader might be broken
12:37:57S_a_i_n_t*to boot OF that is.
12:37:58TheSeveni don't have an 1g
12:38:05Tornethe bootloader has its own implementation of the button reading code
12:38:16Tornemaybe it's not right for some models
12:38:36S_a_i_n_tit doesn't work for me on 1 or 2g nano...but thats me.
12:38:49Torne2g nano is a totally seperate bootloader
12:38:51Torneso, not relevant
12:38:56TheSevenit's known-broken on the 2g, but i have a fix for that
12:39:11Tornehow ar eyou doing it, also?
12:39:18Torneare you just pressing menu to turn the player on and holding it?
12:40:19S_a_i_n_taha....perhaps it needs some clarification then :D
12:40:28*S_a_i_n_t feels slightly sheepish now
12:41:51Torneit reads the button values pretty early..
12:41:58Torneif you just turn it on and then press menu you might not be quick enough
12:42:07Tornemenu and select both power the ipods on, so you can ust press and hold menu from the start
12:43:24S_a_i_n_tcould a wait be put in...?
12:44:00S_a_i_n_tit wouldn;t need to be massive, but apparantly it isn;t possible to hold menu soon enough on Nano1g if you use select to power on
12:44:13S_a_i_n_t(damn semicolon!)
12:44:30Tornethat seems like a workaround for the manual not being clear enough, rather than a feature
12:44:43Tornethe whole point of the OSOS boot stuff is to allow people who know what they're doing to boot faster ;)
12:44:51TorneIf the instructions aren't clear enough submit a patch to the instructions ;)
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13:09:29ranmachanYay! jtag on my sansa c200v2:
13:09:31ranmachan> scan_chain
13:09:31ranmachan TapName Enabled IdCode Expected IrLen IrCap IrMask
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13:16:35AlexPIs uchida's IRC nick also urchida?
13:17:10B4gderthe first one :-)
13:17:17AlexPAs I'd like to ask him to add the new extensions to the stats plugn and the manual while he is at it, but he doesn't seem to be here
13:17:55AlexPI'd quite like it to be a general "rule" in fact that people are on IRC while they commit stuff
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13:22:47AlexPpondlife: You identified (or your client did) too late so a part and rejoin was faked
13:23:03*Torne has reopened FS #5230, does someone want to have a look/think? :)
13:23:21CIA-5New commit by uchida (r24880): sorry, I forget tools/database/SOURCES.
13:23:32pondlifeAlexP: That went over my head a little - but I assume it's a matter of luck ;)
13:24:14pondlifeI came on to see if uchida was around - 2K red is a lot for a new PCM codec (that I won't use)....
13:24:46pondlife+18K on ZVMs ;)
13:24:46AlexPIt is a matter of how you identify - if you use SASL, or give the nickserv pass as freenode's server password, it will identify before you join a channel and all is good. If you identify normally then it can happen that you identify after you join a channel (but this is off-topic) :)
13:24:59AlexPpondlife: I also wanted to speak to him
13:25:16AlexPI wanted to request that the manual file types appendix and the stats plugin were updated
13:25:35AlexPI'd generally like people to be on IRC when they commit for just this sort of thing
13:26:22*AlexP sends an e-mail
13:27:25B4gderwhat added those 2K? was it just the metadata parser?
13:27:30pondlifeGuesss so
13:28:18pondlifeWonder if we can move more of the parsing into the codec?
13:28:34pondlifeDo we use file extension to choose a codec alone?
13:28:42pondlife(Or contents too?)
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13:46:37LinusNpondlife: i don't think we should move it to the codec, since the metadata is associated with the container, not the codec
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13:59:15*S_a_i_n_t is starting to notice a *lot* of discrepencies between the menu entries and the "Title Bar". Example "Theme Settings/Fonts/" the title bar is "fonts" (lower case f)
13:59:27S_a_i_n_tthis seems to happen on quite a few menus...
14:00:01rasherS_a_i_n_t: again, that's because the fonts browser is really just the filebrowser showing you the directory ".rockbox/fonts"
14:00:08rasher(same as plugins, languages, etc) *really* would be nice to have them be consistent IMO
14:01:41ranmachanYay! My C240v2 is now officially unbricked.
14:03:04gevaertsranmachan: well done!
14:05:18S_a_i_n_tcouldn;t that title bar thing be "fixed" prett easily? I mean I understand that when searching out a theme/font/wps its going to be loking in "themes" "font" or "wps"...but the Title Bar could be made to say *anything* for these
14:06:19rasherSomeone needs to make a way to pass a title to the file browser or something like that
14:06:23rasherPerfectly doable, yes
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14:06:52S_a_i_n_t...opens up to themes
14:06:52S_a_i_n_t*themers as well I guess.
14:07:55S_a_i_n_tI *think* JdGordon mentions something similar as a replacement for %cs
14:08:04S_a_i_n_tbut I may of misunderstood it.
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14:14:47pondlifeLinusN: True. The extension indicates the container, not the codec(s)...
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14:25:54Tornepondlife: if that :)
14:26:16pondlifeAh, what did I miss?
14:26:33pondlifeOr is the file contents parsed to indicate container format?
14:27:28dionoeathat's how you do it yeah (extensions might provide a hint but it's inaccurate and can be plain wrong)
14:28:13dionoeaI don't know how it's implemented in rockbox though
14:29:19pondlifeI was wondering about Rockbox (pondlife being on-topic for once).
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14:37:43dionoeapondlife: according to apps/metadata.c I'd say that rockbox relies on the extension
14:38:03pondlifeThat waa my thought, thanks.
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14:45:21dionoeait might be a good idea to have a second pass trying all the metadata plugins if that failed. (I don't know if that would help anybody though, most people have correct extensions)
14:45:40pondlifeNo, I'm happy not to change that.
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14:46:46pondlifeJust wondered if there was some way the metadata parser could be seperated from the core (e.g. container being loaded like codec). Probably not practical.
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14:49:45*dionoea checked how vlc does it: the extension is used as a hint to load the demuxing plugin. If that hint was a false positive it fallbacks to the default module loading scheme which is just to try them all sequentially, sorted acording to a score.
14:50:50AlexPseems a bit unecessary for Rockbox
14:51:07AlexPOr rather overcomplicated for the gain it gives when resources are limited
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16:08:16funmanranmachan: good job for your c200v2!
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16:41:23saratogaranmachan: did you happen to notice what the OF uses for PCLK?
16:45:19funmanpclk = memclk = plla/6 (in usb mode)
16:45:53ranmachansaratoga: Posted a clocking block reg dump in the forum
16:46:49ranmachanI want to do another one in normal mode, I guess the easiest way is to put some tape on the usb data lines and hope that will not trigger the USB detection in OF then.
16:47:03funmanit's 384MHz in the dump, so pclk = 64MHz
16:48:59saratogaranmachan: misread
16:49:18saratogabut can you use the JTAG while the player is running normally without USB?
16:51:58ranmachansaratoga: Sure, the JTAG has it's own USB connection :) ranma/c200v2_jtag_ft2232c.jpg">
16:52:27saratogaah so you're using the dock connector just for power
16:53:01ranmachanYeah. I can't put it in the case with all the cables, so I can't use the battery for power.
16:54:36amiconnpondlife: You cannot really separate the metadata parser from the core. Since the codec loaded into codec ram is the one used for the currently playing track, but you need the metadata parser at buffering time, it would mean to have yet another "plugin" type - the metadata parsers - which would need to be changed for each track to be buffered (worst case)
16:54:57amiconnYou'd also get a lot of code duplication between them
16:56:29pondlifeLike I said, probably a silly idea. I just baulked at the big lump of red delta earlier today.
16:57:04pondlife~3k for a new format I doubt many will use
16:58:14saratogawhy so much?
16:58:49AlexPpondlife: He says he has other formats to add too
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16:59:45saratogastatic unsigned char smafbuf[1024];
16:59:45gevaertsIt does things like using a 1K buffer to look at the data
16:59:50saratogathat probabyl doesn't need to be there
17:00:07gevaertsif it does, it can probably be shared with other parsers
17:00:25saratogadoesn't the metadata parser have some buffer of its own
17:01:34saratogaeven if it doesn't we could just read a couple smaller chunks
17:03:35saratogaor just put it on the stack
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17:27:33pondlifeAnyone got a link to a SMAF file?
17:30:22funmanhm clip bootloader doesn't work anymore
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17:31:10funmancan someone tell me the svn revision they use on clipv1 bootloader?
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17:42:30pondlifeHmm, my H300 sim crashes on boot (with current SVN)
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17:47:50funmani'll just use the bootloader from the download server
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17:52:41funmanwhat's the "−−type=b:XX" argument in buildserver/builds ?
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17:53:03gevaertsfunman: it's "−−type=b"
17:53:09gevaerts: is the column separator
17:53:09funmanb=bootloader, :XXX is the score?
17:53:19gevaertsand yes, bootloader
17:54:55CIA-5New commit by funman (r24882): Add Clipv2/Clip+ to the buildtable
17:55:42gevaertsfunman: the third column should be unique
17:56:40funmanah i messed it for bootloaders
17:57:07CIA-5New commit by funman (r24883): Give an unique name to Clipv2 & Clip+ bootloaders
17:57:22*funman wonders why zvm binsize jumped by 18kB in r24878
17:59:21gevaertsalignment somewhere
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18:00:05funmanyou mean some sections must be aligned on a several-kB boundary?
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18:01:15funmanttbtable is aligned on 16kB
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18:01:42funmanit should be put at the end of ram instead
18:02:10CIA-5New commit by gevaerts (r24884): calibrate clip+ and clipv2 scores
18:02:58funmanhm they take longer than Clipv1, interesting
18:03:54gevaertsthey do, yes. I built them twice, and I also built the v1 again to make sure the calibration wasn't off, so it's real
18:04:22funmandid you calibrate bootloader?
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18:04:52gevaertsYes, they're close enough
18:05:30gevaertsTwo builds again, v2 750 and 749, + 747 and 792.
18:06:00funmanClipv2 has only 2 different files comparing to Clipv1, and i'd think they're small enough to not make a big difference, i'll ask gcc
18:06:41CIA-5New commit by funman (r24885): fix a typo in comment
18:08:01funmanhm there is also at least mpegplayer
18:08:21funmanif firmware code didn't make a difference for bootloader, then it's only apps/
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18:09:25funmanmpegplayer, lua, libmad-mpeg, and some small differences about usb/radio/armv5
18:10:34gevaertsthose are probably enough to explain this
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18:13:56funmanbtw, what about using -Werror ? would it result into devs hiding legitimate warnings ?
18:14:30gevaertsWould there be a real point in doing that?
18:14:42funmanfinding warnings before the build table
18:14:59gevaertsyes, but also making working on code annoying
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18:20:41CIA-5New commit by pondlife (r24886): Put the SMAF metadata buffer on the stack to save some memory. Only tested with one SMAF file, so please check if you have more.
18:21:44*TheSeven has a certain feeling that this just broke SMAF on nano2g ;-)
18:21:59pondlifeA 1K buffer too big?
18:22:23pondlifeFeel free to revert if so...
18:22:50TheSevenwhich stack will it end up being in?
18:23:08pondlifeThe main/UI one, I think
18:23:26pondlifeMetadata parser, not codec, anyways
18:23:42TheSevenhm, pictureflow and rockboy already manage to overflow that one, while they don't on other targets
18:24:04TheSevendo you have a smaf file for me so that i can check that?
18:24:41pondlife ?
18:24:52pondlifeYou need PCM content
18:25:12pondlifeOops, wrong link
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18:33:00pondlifeGuitarMan doesn't work, either with the original commit or the last.
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18:34:52TheSevenpondlife: do i need patchsets or something for those to work?
18:35:08pondlifeNot as far as I know
18:35:21pondlifeI just put MarsMine.mmf into my simdisk and played it.
18:38:21pondlifeI should proabbly mention I'm *onl*y using a sim.
18:38:29pondlife*only*, even
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18:43:43*TheSeven threatens that he might try to fix the lua yellow if nobody else bothers
18:45:29*funman sees no yellow on the table
18:46:55TheSevenfunman: it's only turning up when building eabi
18:47:40funman-mabi=eabi ?
18:48:58funmanah there is a −−eabi option to configure, but it seems i need to rebuild gcc
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18:49:28astra-xso the sansa e260 when in rockbox uses mass storage device mode, yet I cannot write to the sansa in this mode. I have to boot into the original firmware and change the usb settings to MTP, what are the recommended ways to put data on the device?
18:49:45astra-xi tried in ubuntu 9.10, Mac OS X 10.6.2 and Windows 7 Ultimate
18:49:49saratogaasf has a 512 byte buffer on the metadata stack
18:49:59saratogaso at worst you could split that read into two 512 byte reads
18:50:37saratogaastra-x: mass storage on the sansa works for almost everyone, maybe its an issue with your pc?
18:50:45gevaertsastra-x: have you checked the filesystem?
18:51:04funmanastra-x: do you use MTP software to copy files or just copy/pasting ?
18:51:09astra-xyes, and it linux i become the owner of the mount point and files therein
18:51:16astra-xbut it always mounts it read only
18:51:25astra-xand i try remounting it RW but that fails
18:51:28gevaertsdoes dmesg say something about this?
18:51:31astra-xso i can't do things like chmod to write to it
18:51:34funmanlinux mounting read only usually means the filesystem has errors
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18:51:39astra-xjust gives me the USB info
18:52:05astra-xyet, there is a microsd card in it and all OS'es can read and write fine to the sd card, yet rockbox cannot see any files on it
18:52:23astra-xdoes it just use vfat?
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18:53:22astra-xyou can just fsck it the file system?
18:53:53MkFlyI'm trying to patch a Sansa c250v1 firmware but I can't run sansapatcher because I don't have root access. Is there a program to patch the OF locally on my machine (so that then I could upgrade the Sansa firmware via recovery mode)?
18:53:55astra-xi just got the unit yesterday too−−it was a refurb from newegg, but seems odd that is already has FS errors
18:55:02saratogaMkFly: just replied to your thread, but I don't think we have such a tool
18:55:12astra-xand yet mtp writes. funniest thing is rhythmbox has no problem playing media from it, but wmp 11 or 12 or whatever is on win7 just does not like it
18:55:26gevaertsfsck.vfat or dosfsck should work, yes
18:56:32MkFlysaratoga: Damn. Is there any documentation on the site about the patch files? Something that I could read to see where in the firmware the new code is going?
18:56:58astra-xwhat about reading the sdcard? should i make the sd just vfat too or ext2?
18:57:13astra-xit shows <microsd> under files yet the .avi i put there is not to be listed
18:57:25gevaertsrockbox supports FAT16 and FAT32
18:57:39gevaertscheck the "show files" setting. It's probably set to "supported"
18:57:56astra-xthanks guys
18:58:18rasherYeah, that sounds like your "Show files" setting isn't what you expect it to be
18:58:54gevaertswhich usually means that you discovered the quickscreen by accident
18:59:33saratogaMkFly: the sansapatcher program, but its probably much easier for you to just boot into linux off a CD and patch from there
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18:59:42saratogawould take maybe 5 minutes once you've downloaded the ISO
19:00:41MkFlysaratoga: I would, but this is a university machine and doesn't let you boot from anything but the HDD
19:01:06MkFlysaratoga: Where can I find the source for sansapatcher?
19:01:16astra-xgevaerts: quick screen?
19:01:59gevaertsThe manual knows all about it!
19:02:33saratogaMkFly: its in rbutil/sansapatcher
19:02:55*astra-x reads the manual
19:03:08astra-xdoes usb HID usually cause problems for windows?
19:03:12MkFlysaratoga: ah, found it, thanks
19:03:30gevaertsastra-x: it has happened
19:03:49astra-xjust wondering, seems to work really well on ubuntu 9.10
19:05:11astra-xthough file browser can see the .txt files in / of the e260, like batterybench.txt
19:05:55JdGordonrasher: the wps stuff shouldnt be in the manual because 1) its too long already which is scaring people away, and 2) it changes too often, and the wiki is FAR easier to keep updated
19:06:59gevaertsJdGordon: could you try FS #11027 on sh one of these days?
19:07:07rasher1) The WPS tags are in an appendix 2) Why is the wiki easier to keep updated? If anything, once you're touching the code, it's simpler to updated the manual and include it in the commit, surely?
19:07:36JdGordongevaerts: remind me this evening or tomorow (I'm taking the day off work so should have plenty of time)
19:07:52JdGordonbecause TeX is an abomination on the earth
19:09:19saratogaTeX is actually not that bad once you get used to it, particularly compared to trying the same degree of customization and preprocessing in Word
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19:15:29rasherOr the wiki...
19:15:55rasherIt's not like you have to create the manual each time
19:17:14JdGordonexcept you do. it needs to be built, and then opened and make sure its correct... wiki is far simpler
19:17:52rasherI mean you don't really have to do any tex work
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19:19:34cfphello everyone!
19:20:00cfpI think that FS #8983 can be closed (I opened it a long time ago (see my comment))
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19:21:25funmancfp: done
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19:23:17cfpI've just posted a very basic alarm clock patch, at . Could someone have a look?
19:24:04cfpI don't really know if this is going to be useful to many people, but I'd been thinking about it for a long time.
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19:31:37funmanint alarm[2] seems weird to store minutes/seconds
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19:31:47funmanwhat about int minutes and int seconds?
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19:35:40funmanand i would make int current a bool show_minutes or show_seconds, and use show_minutes = !show_minutes to switch
19:35:55funman(perhaps i should comment on the tracker)
19:36:13cfpfunman: it allowed me to not duplicate the code to add/substract minutes or seconds
19:36:35cfpfunman: this way, I could simply use + 1 mod max[current]
19:36:55funmanhm i see
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19:37:38cfpfunman: whereas I would have to use if (show_minutes) minutes = (minutes + 1) % 60 else etc.
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19:39:11cfpfunman: I thought it would be a cleaner approach, but clean coding is not really my cup of tea
19:39:39cfpfunman: otherwise, do you like the concept?
19:39:45funman% should be avoided in performance critical code, but here it's alright i guess
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19:39:54funmanyes, although my players do not have enough runtime to use it :)
19:40:36cfpfunman: hmm :) I just leave my own charging overnight, usually
19:40:51cfpfunman: not good for the battery though (I guess)
19:41:54funmanUnhelpful: afaiu lua's os_exit() doesn't return
19:42:02funmanTheSeven: ^ (not Unhelpful)
19:42:39cfpfunman: by the way, why should % be avoided in perf-critical code? Isn't it pretty efficient (as in O(h)?)
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19:44:00funmani would think doing the > or < comparison is simpler
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19:49:33funmanTheSeven: gcc assumes os_exit() doesn't return even with a 'return 0' so there is no instruction after the call to exit() (== longjmp).
19:49:48*iq wonders if writing a plugin would be a good start to do some coding.
19:49:52cfpfunman: sure, but it adds some lines to the code, and here the euclidean division is pretty fast anyway... (I'm just lazy I guess)
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19:52:22funmanhm i don't understand where longjmp is defined, I see apps/codecs/lib/setjmp_arm.S but it doesn't look like what I see in disassembly
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19:54:34funmanah it's this one, i got confused by the macros
19:54:59funmanI don't get why "tst lr, #1\n moveq pc, lr \n bx lr" is needed, wouldn't "bx lr" be enough ?
19:56:20funmancfp: can you write something in the manual for this plugin?
19:57:42cfpfunman: I sure can :)
19:57:47funmancfp: i'll commit it with s/128/sizeof(info)/ in draw(), if you agree with it
19:58:06funmanthat avoid problems when the string needs to be enlarged in some future
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19:58:18cfpfunman: absolutely
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19:59:42cfpfunman: is a screenshot needed ?
19:59:54funmanhm you didn't put a licence header in the new file
20:01:09cfpI shall
20:01:37funman is ok?
20:02:18CIA-5New commit by bertrik (r24887): Add missing #include in libpcm codecs
20:02:30funmani think a screenshot isn't needed, for example there's none for the text editor
20:03:08cfpfunman: perfect!
20:03:17cfpfunman: I see one problem though
20:04:03cfpwhen no playlist control file has been created, an error message is displayed (error accessing playlist control file)
20:04:17cfpcan this be avoided?
20:04:21funmanno idea
20:05:19cfp(I actually took the audio resume code from the playback menu, so the same happens when using the audio playback menu from any plugin)
20:05:34cfptherefore I don't really think it's a problem
20:05:43cfpprovided it errors out very cleanly
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20:07:36funmani'm not familiar with this code so i prefer if someone else can comment on it
20:07:59cfpI'll add a comment then on the tracker
20:09:20TheSevenpondlife (for the logs): smaf is totally broken on nano2g
20:09:52TheSevenmetadata is sometimes fine, sometimes garbage, but it doesn't ever play anything with any of those test files
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20:27:52iqHow do we expose the string "testing" for plugin CATEGORIES file?
20:27:59gevaertsHas anyone ever noticed that RoLo between an eabi-built binary and a standard binary doesn't work?
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20:29:08gevaertsiq: what do you mean?
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20:30:08iqgevaerts, I'm reading this 'How to Write Plugin', You also need to add your plugin to the CATEGORIES textfile which is in the same directory as well (e.g.: "testing,apps" will have plugin "testing" show up under the applications category).
20:31:36gevaertsiq: if you want the line "testing,apps" to work for your plugin, you have to name your plugin "testing". If you don't like that name, use "name_you_like,apps"
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20:31:43soapanyone upgraded to Thunderbird 3 yet?
20:33:07iqgevaerts, I think I didn't get the part where we name the plugin. It is not in helloworld.c
20:33:49gevaertsiq: indeed it's not. the name for helloworld.c is helloworld
20:34:02gevaertsA boring system, but it works :)
20:34:13iqgevaerts, oh okay - so it is the file name - thanks :)
20:37:38TheSevengevaerts: rolo from standard to eabi did work at least once for me
20:38:03TheSevenand there is no reason why it shouldn't work, at least if it works with different binaries at all
20:38:04*gevaerts has the plasma plugin running in the audio buffer \☺/
20:38:21JdGordon_you know the audio buffer can move around right?
20:38:25TheSevenand you know about that cpucache_invalidate bug...
20:38:36gevaertsJdGordon_: *the* audio buffer can't :)
20:39:08JdGordon_the handles can move around
20:39:25gevaertsonly if you use handles
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20:39:39gevaertsI'm not using advanced allocation systems yet, I just wanted to know if it would run if I load it outside the regular plugin buffer
20:39:46JdGordon_oh good lord.. what have you done!?!
20:40:11gevaertsI changed some lines in plugin.c, plugins.make and That's all!
20:40:30gevaertsfft is going to be silly if I stop playback...
20:40:47CIA-5New commit by bertrik (r24888): Kill some global variables
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20:44:13gevaertsPrefect abort at C0EDBABE (0)
20:45:36bertrikis C0EDBABE something from rockbox?
20:45:49gevaertsI can't find it. It must be though
20:46:41gevaertssome plugins work, but most crash
20:47:22JdGordon_isnt the whole stack set to C0EDBABE so we know if it stackov's?
20:48:05amiconnIt's set to 0xDEAFBEEF
20:48:38amiconn0xC0EDBABE is some PP specific "nothing here" thingy
20:48:58gevaertsah, ok
20:49:05cfpfunman: posted a new patch, with a manual section (that does need a native speaker's love :s). I also added a note about the potential 'bug'.
20:49:25cfpfunman: could you please add the modification that you suggested about the hardcoded string buffer length?
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20:50:23cfpCould somebody have a look to the bug that I mentioned on ?
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20:51:14cfpIt is related to the way that _playback menu_ handles the playlist control file when it has not been created yet
20:52:23JdGordon_what do you expect playback to do if there is no resume info?
20:52:40CIA-5New commit by bertrik (r24889): Partially revert svn r24888 that causes build failure on coldfire targets
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20:53:19*gevaerts wonders if he should submit bug reports about plugin keymaps if he only tried using his weird builds
20:53:35JdGordon_that would be a no :)
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20:54:08pixelmawhich plugins?
20:54:10gevaertsI find it annoying that if I manage to find a plugin that actually works, I can't get out of it!
20:54:23gevaertspixelma: fire and demistify at least, on e200
20:55:22JdGordon_doesnt the menu/power button work?
20:55:34pixelmafire definitely uses PLA, not sure about demystify
20:55:51gevaertsnot for me anyway. I'll test later with a normal build
20:56:13JdGordon_do any buttons work?
20:56:51pixelmawhich reminds me of the "simplify PLA patch" kugel started and wanted to commit after the 3.5 release
20:57:09gevaertshm, not in those plugins
20:57:11cfpJdGordon_: Nothing indeed
20:57:21JdGordon_then what's the problem?
20:57:24cfpand I do think that erroring out this way is ok
20:57:39cfpit's just that funman wanted to be sure before commiting my patch
20:57:39pixelmademystify was made PLA too
20:57:49gevaertshm, the plugins that have a menu are a bit boring. All menu entries are "Yes"
20:57:52pixelmamaybe all of those have problems?
20:58:10JdGordon_gevaerts: sounds like you arn't quite there yet then :)
20:58:23JdGordon_those are all static globals
20:58:30gevaertsapparently not :)
20:58:35JdGordon_menu items and button tables
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20:59:47pixelmagevaerts: does e.g. clocks work?
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21:00:57gevaertsthat one also has a weird looking screen
21:01:50pixelmacould it really be a problem with PLA and your patch then?
21:02:44*TheSeven moans about a buggy panicf()
21:02:46*gevaerts finds a table with absolute addresses :(
21:03:21TheSeventhere's a stupid off-by-one error in there
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21:07:19iqI was thinking of adding a line on HowtoWritePlugins wiki page but I don't have permission/access to do so.
21:07:41TheSevenwiki name?
21:08:32CIA-5New commit by tomers (r24890): FS #11049 - Brickmania: Make brick a two-dimensional array
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21:09:34TheSeveniq: done
21:09:50iqthanks TheSeven
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21:17:47JdGordon_pixelma: have you tried the latest synced fm patch? I wonder if your button problem is fixed
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21:20:37gevaertsok, I think my approach for load-address independent plugins won't work
21:21:17gevaertsIt has issues as soon as you try exotic features like "const"
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21:21:49TheSevenwhat's the issue?
21:21:57gevaertsor actually, it has issues as soon as you have compile-time initialised pointer tables
21:22:12TheSevenhm, let's go for coff then?
21:22:24gevaertsyes, probably
21:23:33gevaertsI don't think my simple .gop approach can be fixed to work in all cases, and if we go for a full relocator (which we will need), I think using an existing format sounds smart
21:23:35TheSevencommon object file format
21:23:48gevaertsJdGordon_: where you live it might be better known as PE
21:24:07Tornecoff is yucky!
21:24:15TheSevennot exactly, PE is COFF with an additional header
21:24:16*Torne srsly suggests someone look into elf2flt if you are doing that
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21:25:01gevaertsTheSeven: true, it's more of a variant
21:25:28Tornei suspect flt would serve our needs quite well and it's just a postprocessing step on a non-fully-linked .elf
21:26:01Torneso it's possibly just a matter of jamming -r on LDFLAGS for plugins and changing the linker script to have less addresses
21:26:41JdGordon_is there any point useing this for codecs also? so you could eliminate memmoves when tracks dont use the same codec?
21:26:53Tornequite possibly
21:26:58JdGordon_and then there should be no need to 64MB and 32MB builds?
21:27:03Tornebut making it handle IRAM could be awkward
21:27:29Tornewith the plugin just loading into pluginbuf I *thinK* that's probably easy
21:27:36Tornebased on not really having looked into it very much :)
21:28:19gevaertsIRAM can't be shared of course, but surely that shouldn't make fixed-IRAM+dynamic-DRAM impossible?
21:28:31TorneOh, if you assume onluy one thing is using iram, then sure
21:28:41Torneyou link the iram section at absolute addresses in the link script exactly as we do now
21:28:54Torneagain, wild speculation
21:29:00TorneuClinux doesn't have anything like that :)
21:30:04gevaertsYou could of course also do IRAM in a relocatable way. That would be even more fun, but I'm not sure if we can do that without a performance hit
21:30:13Tornewell you could, but not with flt, i'm pretty sure
21:30:33Tornethe format is too trivial to have arbitrary sections
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21:37:36Torne <- describes the flat format, btw
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21:41:51FlynDiceHow do I get rid of a warning for an unused variable? I just have to read from the register and not use the value. Can I do void temp = ... ; ?
21:42:29gevaertsTorne: that does indeed look reasonably simple
21:42:38gevaertsFlynDice: (void)variable; is quite common
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21:42:58Tornegevaerts: the problem is i don't know if it's easily possible to have some addresses *actually* known
21:43:13Tornee.g. iram and the like
21:43:17Torneand maybe rb? i forget how that works
21:43:34TheSevenTorne: IRAM shouldn't be a problem - those just don't get .reloc entries
21:43:35Tornethe linker script elf2flt wants to use maps everything to increasing address starting from 0
21:43:37gevaertsrb works by Magic :)
21:43:53Torneso if iram is there, then, er, asplode?
21:44:11Tornei'm gonna take a look at the source of elf2flt which is about all teh docs it has other than the above page ;)
21:44:16Tornebut it's dinenrtime now, so back in a bit
21:48:51FlynDiceI know I'm leaving yellow on the build table but I need to go now, I will attempt to fix it later tonight when I get in.
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21:54:07JdGordon_anyone got a link to the sandisk response about the crap DAC in the clip?
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21:54:29JdGordon_where they say its not a high end DAP so they dont care about it not being 44.1khz exactly or something?
21:56:53CIA-5New commit by tomers (r24893): Rockblox: Rename Rotate Left|Right to Rotate CW|CCW
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22:08:09pixelmaJdGordon_: didn't notice there was an update
22:08:34JdGordon_a few days ago
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22:08:43JdGordon_it shuoold still be in sync.. hopefully
22:09:26pixelmadid you fix the warnings yet?
22:09:53JdGordon_they are all just unused vars so nothing to worry about
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22:11:54AsaelReiterwhy does the build table contain the clipv2/+ only from 24885?
22:13:12AsaelReiterare those players finally support rockbox?
22:13:45JdGordon_rockbox runs, but alot is missing still
22:15:02AsaelReiter(I checked it yesterday and it did not work. what had been change?
22:15:42gevaertsBeing on the build table doesn't mean that a target is stable and usable
22:16:35AsaelReiterwell, It was compiled successfully before that is became into the table.
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22:17:12AsaelReiterand it did not even run on my clipv2 (yesterday. should I check again?)
22:18:00saratogaAsaelReiter: instead of asking every day you could just read the website
22:18:48gevaertsAsaelReiter: a target appearing on the build table means that it has been added to the build table. Nothing more, nothing less
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