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| 00:04:38 | gevaerts | I assume that fixing an occasional build failure in a way that causes a guaranteed build failure will be frowned upon? |
| 00:06:58 | Bagder | http://9downsoft.net/2010/02/how-to-hack-add-rockbox-ipod-nanoipodipod-videoipod-coloripod-picture-part-1/ |
| 00:07:11 | Bagder | shaky and no focus |
| 00:07:28 | Bagder | makes my wonder why people do these things |
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| 00:09:07 | TheSeven | Bagder: why does he want people to restore their ipods needlessly? |
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| 00:25:36 | gevaerts | this pdbox plugin is no fun |
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| 01:52:48 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I had an idea...but I'm not sure if it'd be a: possible, or b: if anyone else would like it implemented as much as myself but here goes..."Howabout a user skinable scrollbar?" |
| 01:53:07 | JdGordon | you've been told before about having ideas! |
| 01:53:16 | S_a_i_n_t | The only thing that stops me using the scrollbar is its ugly..and doesn't fir in with my themes very well at all. |
| 01:53:23 | JdGordon | skinnable in what sense? |
| 01:53:35 | S_a_i_n_t | think progress bar |
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| 01:57:52 | S_a_i_n_t | ....so, is there any merit in this idea do you think? |
| 01:58:01 | S_a_i_n_t | *occasionally I have good ones. |
| 01:58:02 | S_a_i_n_t | :D |
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| 02:00:20 | JdGordon | there are architectural problems with trying to skin the lists too much |
| 02:01:29 | JdGordon | it would be nice to create a skin for the list, but its really not possible at the moment |
| 02:01:43 | JdGordon | even splitting it up for the items, title, bar, etc is difficult |
| 02:03:26 | JdGordon | we *might* be able to do it through the sbs |
| 02:03:37 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 02:03:42 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, that part I understand. I find the scrollbar really usefull (especially when using a UI viewport, as sometimes its not immediately apparent that the list being viewed is longer than the screen size), but its just *so* damn ugly IMO XD |
| 02:08:27 | JdGordon | hmmm |
| 02:08:48 | JdGordon | damn you! |
| 02:09:04 | * | JdGordon is really never going to finish the fms patch at this rate! |
| 02:12:32 | JdGordon | yeah, maybe it would be pretty simple to pass off the title and scrollbar drawing to the sbs |
| 02:16:09 | JdGordon | ok, so for the list title... should I overcomplicate it and force a special viewport? or just fix it up so %Lt will display the title text whereever it is in the skin? |
| 02:16:48 | JdGordon | you could then do %?Lt<%Vdt|> to change the looks if the list has a title or not |
| 02:17:43 | JdGordon | I guess the scrollbar would have to be sort of the same\ |
| 02:17:58 | JdGordon | maybe closer to the AA stuff, so you have a load tag and a display/avialble? tag |
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| 02:20:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Ohhh...right, are you still looking for a way for the current screen to be able to pass info to the title-bar? |
| 02:20:14 | S_a_i_n_t | I was talking about that yesterday actually. |
| 02:20:51 | JdGordon | ? |
| 02:22:05 | S_a_i_n_t | I remember seeing somewhere (I think) you talking about the %cs tag...and how it would be easierif the current screen could pass a title to the title-bar. |
| 02:23:19 | JdGordon | not easier, better |
| 02:23:38 | JdGordon | %cs isnt really a good option for figuring out what to display |
| 02:23:40 | S_a_i_n_t | It annoys me (and its purely cosmetic) that when browsing through the menus that the title bar reports the folder name for fonts, wps, themes etc. and as such...it isn;t capitalised. |
| 02:24:54 | JdGordon | thats easy to fix |
| 02:24:58 | JdGordon | we do it for the plugins menus |
| 02:25:47 | S_a_i_n_t | like Settings/Theme Settings/Font...as soon as you enter it, the title-bar displays "font". Whereas (IMHO) it should be "Font" |
| 02:26:11 | S_a_i_n_t | same for wps, and themes (and probably others) |
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| 02:35:31 | JdGordon | grrr |
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| 02:45:56 | JdGordon | ok, maybe this could work |
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| 03:20:10 | S_a_i_n_t | If it *is* easy to fix ( "it" being non capitalised Title-Bar entries...), I'd really like to see it happen. It would make the menus a *lot* more consistent (aestheticly that is...) |
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| 03:20:43 | S_a_i_n_t | *but its hardly a "must do" situation :D |
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| 03:37:44 | tmzt | huh, that's ironic |
| 03:42:50 | JdGordon | why the hell isnt the sbs updating? |
| 03:44:16 | JdGordon | arg.. %s is semi broken :/ |
| 03:47:00 | JdGordon | HZ/2 delay chaning screens :( |
| 03:54:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I think sbs *and* wps have problems updating...hence my problems with sublines... |
| 03:54:54 | S_a_i_n_t | which reminds me, I still need to put that on the tracker. |
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| 04:15:09 | * | JdGordon has list title text in sbs working :) |
| 04:15:20 | JdGordon | now to fix the icon also and commit |
| 04:15:25 | JdGordon | then scrollbar! |
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| 04:23:18 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: .diff me? |
| 04:23:29 | JdGordon | patients :) |
| 04:23:36 | JdGordon | umm.. wrong one :p |
| 04:23:48 | JdGordon | fuck, i cant speel :p |
| 04:23:54 | S_a_i_n_t | heheh :D |
| 04:23:59 | S_a_i_n_t | ironic |
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| 04:25:07 | * | S_a_i_n_t added FS #11058 - Conditional Viewports break Alternating Sublines |
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| 04:28:01 | JdGordon | thats a dupe I tihnk |
| 04:28:24 | S_a_i_n_t | ....ahhhhh shit. |
| 04:28:42 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/abmdsM7W |
| 04:28:51 | JdGordon | %Li is the icon, %Lt is the text |
| 04:29:09 | JdGordon | %?Li<lots of icons....> |
| 04:29:53 | JdGordon | it has a slight problem with themed skins without a list control |
| 04:30:33 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure I get the icon part... |
| 04:30:54 | S_a_i_n_t | is that 0~32? |
| 04:31:21 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 04:31:26 | JdGordon | its the internal themed icons |
| 04:34:15 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, sweet, so the title that's called is dependent on the icon? " %?Li<%LtMy Title-Bar Title|etc.|etc...>"? |
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| 04:40:16 | JdGordon | I would do it %?Lt<%Li<.........> %Lt|> |
| 04:40:27 | JdGordon | %Li is always going to have a value, Lt wont |
| 04:41:41 | JdGordon | all glory to the hypnotoad! |
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| 04:45:44 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24917): 2 new tags for the base skin. ... |
| 04:47:38 | S_a_i_n_t | *slightly* off-topic...but I have an .mp3 of the "hypnotoad noise" floating around somewhere :D |
| 04:50:46 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Hmmm, this way, the Titlt-Bar could use multifont...no? |
| 04:50:56 | S_a_i_n_t | *Title-Bar |
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| 04:51:05 | JdGordon | thats the point :) |
| 04:51:12 | S_a_i_n_t | :D |
| 04:51:27 | JdGordon | we should start seeing more interesting themes soon... I hope :p |
| 04:52:19 | S_a_i_n_t | people also have the potential to mess up their menus spectacularly now...but that's their problem :P |
| 04:53:59 | JdGordon | how? |
| 04:54:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure I'm understanding the syntax of "%?Lt<%Li<.........> %Lt|>", could you give me a better example string please? |
| 04:54:46 | S_a_i_n_t | how=wrong Title for the screen. |
| 04:55:10 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess that's not *spectacular* but could be annoying :D |
| 04:56:19 | JdGordon | %?Lt<%?Li<|one|two|three|....|> %Lt|> |
| 04:58:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't get what the last %lt is for... |
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| 04:59:11 | JdGordon | to display the text |
| 04:59:16 | JdGordon | drongo :D |
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| 05:02:54 | S_a_i_n_t | wouldn't %?Li<|%LtMy Title One|%LtMy Title Two|%LtMy Title Three|..etc...|> do the same thing? |
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| 05:03:42 | JdGordon | no... there are only 30odd icons and over 100 different titles... |
| 05:04:44 | S_a_i_n_t | don't several things use the same icon though? |
| 05:04:50 | JdGordon | yes |
| 05:04:56 | S_a_i_n_t | and in turn, wouldn;t they then share the same title? |
| 05:05:03 | punkboy | hey hey, how do i confirm what I typed in the typing dialog on my D2? (e.g. save slot of rockboy) |
| 05:05:06 | JdGordon | no |
| 05:05:26 | JdGordon | almost all settings use the same icon |
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| 05:07:07 | S_a_i_n_t | punkboy: can you perhaps rephrase that question please? |
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| 05:09:26 | punkboy | S_a_i_n_t: ok: i don't know how to confirm what i typed in the tiping dialog as seen in the rockboy menu for save-states |
| 05:09:50 | punkboy | the one black on white with alphabet and signs |
| 05:09:57 | punkboy | oh white on black |
| 05:12:22 | punkboy | oh and can someone tell me what timescale algorithm is used in rockbox to speed and pitch the audio? |
| 05:13:17 | S_a_i_n_t | aha...I don;t have that target, but it should be the same (-ish)....once you've entered your text (what you want the save to be called) press play/pause |
| 05:13:26 | S_a_i_n_t | that's how the iPods do it anyway... |
| 05:14:57 | punkboy | S_a_i_n_t: It's a touchscreen without that... |
| 05:15:17 | S_a_i_n_t | there are *some* buttons on the cowon d2 though...no? |
| 05:15:22 | punkboy | yes |
| 05:15:36 | S_a_i_n_t | and have you tried tham all? |
| 05:15:46 | S_a_i_n_t | *them |
| 05:15:49 | punkboy | i think so |
| 05:16:03 | punkboy | the touchscreen is just like 9 buttons aswell |
| 05:16:44 | S_a_i_n_t | well, I'm fairly confident its going to be one of the actual buttons...and not the touchscreen, but I don't have that target...so its pure speculation. |
| 05:18:16 | punkboy | hm... they are just left,right,make-letter,cancel and hold |
| 05:18:29 | punkboy | well |
| 05:18:35 | punkboy | I can live wothout it |
| 05:19:08 | S_a_i_n_t | try to scroll so all the text is highlighted, and *then* try various buttons. |
| 05:22:13 | punkboy | hm ok |
| 05:22:25 | punkboy | but I never saw anything highlighted :) |
| 05:22:29 | punkboy | well thx anyway |
| 05:22:40 | punkboy | I'm to tired now and I will smaash some buttons tomorrow |
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| 05:57:46 | JdGordon | somone need to implement vertical progress bars :/ |
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| 07:34:30 | teru | JdGordon: re: r24917. I think you need to modify list_display_title() in gui/list.c. Using %Lt, when I scroll to end of list, list shows strange empty line. |
| 07:35:06 | JdGordon | this is without a sbs right? |
| 07:36:07 | teru | sorry? |
| 07:36:42 | JdGordon | whats your config.cfg? |
| 07:39:20 | teru | I put %?Lt<%Lt|> in my sbs. am i clear? |
| 07:40:59 | JdGordon | ah, OK, I see the problem here |
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| 07:45:51 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24919): Fix the list showing an empty line at the bottom if the sbs is handling the title |
| 07:45:54 | JdGordon | teru: thanks, fixed |
| 07:55:12 | * | moos reminds once again to JdGordon that he still have to fix a serious issue: THE ROCKBOX BOOT TIME !!!! |
| 07:55:32 | JdGordon | I'm still waiting for benchmarks to prove the issue is there :) |
| 07:56:36 | moos | then you commit code that we are forced to test/benchmarck to have you to fix them? :( |
| 07:57:49 | JdGordon | actually, *if* there is an issue its not the theme stuff at all, its the fact that the rest of the settings take too long to apply |
| 07:57:52 | * | moos reminds to JdGordon that boot time was one of the best advantage over OF in the rockbox debut. But since your sbs works (very nice so far) boot time is looooooooooooong |
| 07:58:00 | JdGordon | the theme stuff still is only read once |
| 07:58:16 | moos | looong time even with no sbs etc... |
| 07:58:33 | JdGordon | give me numbers |
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| 08:00:00 | moos | revision number you mean? |
| 08:00:13 | moos | or boot time comparaisons? |
| 08:00:24 | JdGordon | time comparissons |
| 08:01:03 | moos | grr !!!! |
| 08:01:49 | moos | then you don't want to do it yourself? I already gave you some simple stats easy to check using the dircache time counting |
| 08:02:26 | moos | but you can just see yourself if you boot before and after the big sbs commit |
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| 08:03:28 | * | moos try to attract amiconn's attention in case he can help him with some numbers |
| 08:04:07 | moos | the thing that is pitty that is we are not a lot it seems to be annoyed by this very long boot time :/ |
| 08:04:28 | JdGordon | because its a non issue! :) |
| 08:04:39 | moos | hehe :) |
| 08:04:42 | JdGordon | are you talking 10s difference? or .5? |
| 08:05:42 | moos | indeed, /me give to JdGordon iriver h1xx series OF to play with a dap that needed 2min to start, merci rockbox ! |
| 08:05:56 | moos | we are talking fixing your commited code ;) |
| 08:06:20 | JdGordon | I've got a h300... I know all about painful boot times |
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| 08:06:28 | JdGordon | my question still stands |
| 08:06:33 | JdGordon | whats the time difference? |
| 08:06:45 | moos | maybe we could have the same sbs features, but with 5sec less at boot just fixing maybe a stupid init or something :/ |
| 08:07:13 | moos | JdGordon: what make me very wondering on this, is why you don't want to test yourself? |
| 08:07:47 | JdGordon | because it doesnt affect me, and if its target dependant then I probably wont hit it anyway |
| 08:07:54 | JdGordon | its not the sbs code doing the slowdown |
| 08:08:11 | moos | at least just because is your code (merci again for it), and because rockbox rules the DAP world, and that boot time is important imho ! |
| 08:08:28 | moos | duh :/ "don't affect me" |
| 08:08:52 | moos | you affected all rockbox users across all targets to any generations :/ |
| 08:08:58 | moos | not nice on this :( |
| 08:09:25 | moos | JdGordon: what could cause this slow down then for you? |
| 08:10:34 | JdGordon | like I said. if there is a slow down its because settings_apply() is called twice on boot, the first time doesnt touch the disk, the 2nd does. the only change is calling all those non disk inits a 2nd time |
| 08:11:51 | JdGordon | try this diff... http://pastebin.com/y9YgqX15 |
| 08:12:02 | moos | but God oh God, why we still saw rockbox logo for ages, we had pretty speedy boot during years! |
| 08:12:23 | JdGordon | try that diff |
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| 08:13:00 | moos | and again, on the boot process, the localiszations for string splashes is broken since :/ |
| 08:13:08 | JdGordon | TRY THAT DIFF |
| 08:13:14 | moos | does this don't affect you too? ;) |
| 08:13:27 | JdGordon | I speak english so no :) |
| 08:15:59 | moos | JdGordon: where is your rockbox spirit for this ?!? |
| 08:16:34 | CIA-5 | New commit by teru (r24920): font.c: correct checking cache_fd. remove some trailing spaces. |
| 08:16:36 | JdGordon | try that bloody diff! it reverts the only thing which could cause the slow down, and fixes the statusbar on splash AND THE BOODY LANG ISSUE |
| 08:17:38 | moos | JdGordon: missed it, soryy, I'm on the process to leave for works. If none tried it, I will later on the day |
| 08:21:01 | JdGordon | grr... bertriks code policing breaks the svn blame output :< |
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| 08:30:36 | JdGordon | anyone got a good theme for the mini2g? I cant stand cabbie on it |
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| 08:38:21 | CIA-5 | New commit by kevin (r24921): Remote support for the alarmclock plugin |
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| 08:47:47 | JdGordon | bloody hell... the sim and target inits are acting differently with the splash |
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| 08:48:06 | JdGordon | on the sim the statusbar isnt show, but on target it is :/ |
| 08:48:18 | JdGordon | isnt shown over the splash that is |
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| 09:01:43 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24922): split the theme settings apply() sutff out of settings_apply(). this should fix splashes not being loc'ed, statusbar over the splash (fixed in sim, ... |
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| 09:20:09 | JdGordon | from the manual... "In contrast to all other items, the status bar is always at the top of the screen." wrong wrong wong WRONG |
| 09:20:35 | rasher | JdGordon: This is your fault. |
| 09:28:36 | pixelma | exactly |
| 09:29:05 | pixelma | and: you can change it |
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| 09:34:41 | * | Unhelpful thinks that teru's patch looks fine but isn't sure whether we ought to use MIN or MAX there - the difference being that MAX will scale *down* one dimension to correct aspect ratio, where MIN will scale the other *up*. |
| 09:40:28 | JdGordon | any ideas how to fix that 64bit warning? |
| 09:40:38 | JdGordon | (void*)(first_boot?0:1) doesnt remove it |
| 09:42:44 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: i'll look in a minute :) |
| 09:42:58 | JdGordon | dw, go it :) |
| 09:43:15 | JdGordon | not so nice and porbaly not even worth the check, but meh |
| 09:43:30 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r24923): fix 64bit warning |
| 09:44:49 | Unhelpful | (void*)(intptr_t) might've worked as well, but this is probably more readable? |
| 09:45:09 | JdGordon | I tried that and it didnt like it |
| 09:45:18 | JdGordon | maybe I had the ()'s in the wrong place |
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| 10:03:38 | JdGordon | anyone know what the story with the ipod accessory patches is? |
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| 10:52:26 | leftright | Hi, I'm using the Cowon D2 Sim as my music player on my pc, I'd like to thank you guys for doing a fine job with the Sim/player, it works beautifully |
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| 10:55:05 | Zagor | leftright: nice! |
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| 10:59:45 | leftright | The Cowon D2 is in my opinion well suited for pc use due to the touch screen |
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| 11:00:58 | gevaerts | leftright: since a few weeks we also have proper click support for buttons in the sim |
| 11:02:33 | * | n1s is amazed by how much has happened since he came in here last |
| 11:03:04 | leftright | it's great, truly user friendly |
| 11:12:41 | leftright | thanks |
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| 11:25:22 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders what all the fuss about the apparent ".sbs boot time/slowdown issue" is for... |
| 11:25:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *Personally* my boot time is fine, .sbs or no. |
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| 11:28:41 | pixelma | maybe because you didn't get used to boot times without sbs things in the firmware (the problem is here that people experience longer times than before even without sbs) |
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| 11:29:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I dunno about that, I've been using RB for about 2 years now. |
| 11:29:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps the difference is that all my targets are flash based. |
| 11:30:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I boot to the main screen in less than 2 seconds. |
| 11:31:11 | wo | hello, I there some ld script guru? I would like to ask for help in tweaking boot.lds for coldfire target to load bootloader into IRAM to make BDM debugging easy |
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| 11:38:17 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: boot time seems longer to me too (felt 3-4 seconds) on my SSD M5 (which is a somewhat flash target now too) |
| 11:44:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...perhaps its a hardware thing? I'm not sure, I have 4 iPod Nanos (two 2g and two 1g) and the boot time for the 1g's is about 2 seconds, and for the 2g's it's ever so *slightly* slower (perhaps 0.5 seconds or so). The only way I can even tell there is a slightly longer boot time on the 2g's is by booting them at the same time, side-by-side. |
| 11:46:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Rockbox and the bootloader *is* installed to the OSOS however, but on flash based targets I don't think that makes much of a difference at all...it *does* make a difference, but not one that you can say "Oh my god! That's *so* much faster" |
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| 12:53:30 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: Hi, to answer to your question. That's nothing, just that we lost around 4-5sec on boot (HD targets) since the big commit about sbs. My words maybe ounds to you not so gently, but we just report this to the author of this (JdGordon :p) few times, and he always says that there was no time penality, that that'just a placebo effect. |
| 12:53:46 | moos | and each rt |
| 12:54:30 | moos | and eachj time it did seems that he didn't even to look to his commited work unless *we* prove him this loose. |
| 12:55:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Personally...I don't think .sbs is to blame. |
| 12:55:29 | S_a_i_n_t | I think its just a coincidence that .sbs was committed at the time the apparent "slowdown" happened. |
| 12:55:53 | moos | I just wanted to bug him again in hope he looks at it to try to fix his *tested*? code |
| 12:56:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I've tried reverting to a "pre .sbs" revision...and there is no boost in speed for me. |
| 12:56:31 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: I gave him the culprit revision ie the big commit about .sbs |
| 12:57:51 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: the point was at least since that is his code, maybe he could have do a quick tests to see... (in a perfect world he would test this *before* to commit) |
| 12:58:39 | S_a_i_n_t | Assuming he didn't test it before commiting is perhaps a bit naive... |
| 12:58:54 | linuxstb | moos: Have you opened a flyspray task with the details? |
| 12:59:09 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: I'm using rockbox every day since 5 years, then not hard to notice a freeze on rockbox logo (where that never was) and easy to see that dircache scan take 3 extra seconds |
| 12:59:41 | S_a_i_n_t | I haven't really seen anyone else complaing of "drastic slowdown" at boot time since .sbs (or *because* of .sbs) |
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| 13:00:06 | moos | linuxstb: technicly that not a bug no? Since we could have untuntially sacrifice few seconds at boot for x or y needed feature |
| 13:00:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, .sbs isn't going to affect dircache |
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| 13:00:40 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: dir scan at *boot* !!! |
| 13:01:46 | moos | linuxstb: and we bug him about a few times (mainly me, amiconn and maybe pixelma) because people seems to don(t mind/don't notice |
| 13:01:50 | linuxstb | moos: I would say open a task anyway, so there is somewhere to discuss it. If the concensus is that it is not a bug, then it can easily be closed as such. |
| 13:02:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Well...again, I have *never* seen *either* of those issues on my DAP's...but the difference seems to be that HD targets are slowed? |
| 13:03:00 | moos | linuxstb: first I will have to see if after all, he fixed the issue in 24929 |
| 13:03:14 | moos | linuxstb: (but not right now, lunch time :) |
| 13:03:17 | S_a_i_n_t | My DAP's (all flash based) still bot just as fast as they used to |
| 13:03:32 | S_a_i_n_t | or, not noticably slower at least.... |
| 13:03:59 | S_a_i_n_t | *boot |
| 13:04:02 | moos | yup that is extra HD calls, and then power consumption.... |
| 13:05:09 | linuxstb | moos: 24929? SVN only goes to 24923... |
| 13:05:54 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: that isn't a placebo, since we used to have before a super speedy boot (where the rockbox logo don't even had the time to appear and bahm) |
| 13:06:17 | moos | linuxstb: sorry, last functionnal changes revision :) |
| 13:07:37 | S_a_i_n_t | moos: Have you considered the possability of it being a hardware fault? Does you OF still boot at a decent speed? |
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| 13:08:22 | S_a_i_n_t | when you said it takes you like 2minues to boot to RB, I almost fainted! it takes me less than 2seconds |
| 13:08:27 | moos | note the term used "supposed" |
| 13:08:44 | moos | 2 min to load the iriver firmware !!! |
| 13:08:52 | moos | and I test on different targets |
| 13:09:00 | senkovych | Hi, sorry about such question, but i cannot compile rockbox simulator. Problem is about undefined reference to such basic functions like sqrt, dlopeen/close/etc. I realise that to solve it i have only to add -lm and -ldl options, but i cannot understand which make file to edit. |
| 13:09:26 | B4gder | you should not need to do that |
| 13:10:35 | senkovych | ok, how to solve? |
| 13:10:55 | B4gder | what system are you building this on? |
| 13:11:06 | senkovych | ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:11:09 | senkovych | i386 |
| 13:11:40 | senkovych | everything else compiled well - bootloader, rockbox himself |
| 13:12:14 | S_a_i_n_t | moos: I'm not saying that its not an issue, or that its not happening...but I do however find it strange that the RB Forums aren't full of "WTF!?! Why does RB boot so slowly now?" threads...You're the only one (so far) that I've (personally) seen to have an issue with extended boot time. |
| 13:12:30 | S_a_i_n_t | moos: How's that WPS going for you by the way? |
| 13:14:22 | moos | S_a_i_n_t: don't waste your tim/thought on it. Those extra seconds maybe came from my fingers, hence he affect all my DAPs. And I of course tried the default setting (I did test plenty of things before even for JdGordon:) |
| 13:14:30 | moos | :) |
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| 13:14:54 | linuxstb | senkovych: Do you have the "build-essential" package installed? Maybe something is missing. |
| 13:15:00 | moos | plus Arnold's fingers :) |
| 13:15:50 | linuxstb | senkovych: Also, which simulator are you trying to build? |
| 13:16:01 | senkovych | Yes, i have. And libc6 also, of course. |
| 13:16:36 | senkovych | linuxstb: for Cowon D2 |
| 13:17:20 | * | linuxstb notices senkovych said Ubuntu 10.04 - a release that hasn't happened yet... |
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| 13:17:57 | senkovych | linuxstb: i understand, in fact 90% of packages aren'ty updated - only KDE |
| 13:18:05 | linuxstb | senkovych: According to our automated builds page, the D2 sim works fine, so it must be a local problem - http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
| 13:18:12 | senkovych | so i don't think it's a reason |
| 13:18:24 | B4gder | senkovych: so the link that builds rockboxui is what fails? |
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| 13:18:48 | senkovych | /usr/bin/ld: /media/large/rockbox/build/uisimulator/uisimulator/libuisimulator.a(uisdl.o): in function gui_message_loop:/media/large/rockbox/uisimulator/sdl/uisdl.c:147: error: undefined reference to 'sqrt' |
| 13:19:18 | senkovych | also undefined reference to "dlopen" "dlerror" "dlsym" etc |
| 13:23:27 | senkovych | ok. can i somehow order make to show its commands - not just "CC rockboxui" but "gcc ...rockboxui.c ... −−" |
| 13:23:35 | linuxstb | make V=1 |
| 13:26:15 | senkovych | so i added -lm and -ldl to gcc command and it compiled |
| 13:26:37 | senkovych | after I run make - it continues successfully |
| 13:27:49 | linuxstb | Looking at the generated Makefile in your build directory, the only lib specified explicitly is -lsdl (the LDOPTS line). You could try adding -lm and -ldl to that line. So it seems that your library dependencies are wrong. |
| 13:29:04 | senkovych | i said that at my first post, but B4gder dissuaded me |
| 13:30:09 | senkovych | anyway i've successfully compiled simulator, thanks |
| 13:30:20 | B4gder | sorry, my first hunch should always be that the user has a messed system :-) |
| 13:31:04 | B4gder | I assume that's because you have a static SDL lib or something |
| 13:31:15 | B4gder | so that the other libs aren't pulled in as we assume they will |
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| 13:32:49 | senkovych | another question - it there some project file that includes all sources? |
| 13:33:17 | B4gder | project file? |
| 13:33:27 | senkovych | well, some kind of .pro |
| 13:33:36 | senkovych | to open whole rockbox in some IDE |
| 13:34:01 | B4gder | and all files at once? |
| 13:34:26 | B4gder | but to answer the question: no there isn't |
| 13:34:32 | senkovych | thanks |
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| 13:36:38 | linuxstb | B4gder: But is it "the right thing" for Rockbox to assume that sdl will bring in libm and lbidl? |
| 13:37:53 | linuxstb | s/lbidl/libdl/ |
| 13:40:00 | Zagor | I don't see how it would hurt adding -lm and -ldl to the link line |
| 13:41:22 | B4gder | no, it is the proper thing to do |
| 13:41:30 | linuxstb | Is libdl used on Windows? |
| 13:42:04 | * | linuxstb sees a #define dlopen(_x_, _y_) LoadLibraryW(UTF8_TO_OS(_x_)) for WIN32 |
| 13:42:41 | Zagor | more ifdefs! |
| 13:43:36 | linuxstb | Looking at configure, there are different LDOPTS= lines for different platforms, so we can just add -ldl for Unix... |
| 13:58:43 | AlexP | moos: I also have the feeling that my beast is slower to boot, but as I haven't bothered to test/time, I haven't said anything |
| 13:59:01 | AlexP | moos: Did you say that you had isolated the commit that causes it? If so, I can check |
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| 14:01:03 | moos | If you have the opportunity (it seems that I still didn't found one, to test more myself)+not very motivated by JdGordon on this thing (ie forced to test to make him take a look at) |
| 14:01:22 | * | gevaerts wonders if this might be related to ATA changes instead |
| 14:01:40 | moos | that was the commit of sbs or around, let me try to find you a rev number |
| 14:01:55 | moos | gevaerts: that was before IIRC |
| 14:02:20 | gevaerts | ah, ok. If you know the commit, I'll shut up :) |
| 14:03:38 | moos | please don't :) |
| 14:04:07 | moos | I'm searching the number, that was the commit of the initial sbs IIRC again |
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| 14:10:01 | moos | around revision 23258 |
| 14:10:07 | moos | long time already |
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| 14:55:20 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r24924): Sansa Fuzev2: Add mkamsboot and dualboot support. The bootloader doesn't work, but pressing |<< or inserting USB to boot the OF does. ... |
| 14:56:05 | kugel | moos: I'm fairly sure as well that some sbs related commits slowed down boot times |
| 14:58:03 | moos | kugel: phew, nice to hear one more voice :) |
| 14:58:44 | moos | apparently we are just 3-4 people to have noticed it, quite surprising |
| 14:59:10 | kugel | I guess it's not a big deal for most people |
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| 15:00:16 | moos | but not for us? /me thinks here to all people working hours and hours to make the things as fast/performant as possible |
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| 15:00:55 | moos | pitty to lost a bit here and that the commit author didn't even hear about :( |
| 15:01:06 | moos | +want wher's fit |
| 15:02:35 | topik | i think i have noticed slower boots on my players but it's hard to measure |
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| 15:05:21 | moos | I'm speaking around 4-5sec here... |
| 15:05:46 | moos | and the batterie consumption that goes with |
| 15:06:24 | Luca_S | kugel: I've noticed that you've added to mkamsboot.c the md5 of a couple of fuzev2 OF versions |
| 15:06:26 | Luca_S | kugel: I've noticed that you've added to mkamsboot.c the md5 of a couple of fuzev2 OF versions |
| 15:06:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Luca_S |
| 15:06:27 | Luca_S | kugel: I've noticed that you've added to mkamsboot.c the md5 of a couple of fuzev2 OF versions |
| 15:06:29 | Luca_S | uff |
| 15:06:31 | Luca_S | sorry |
| 15:06:36 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24925): FS #11057 - brickmania: simplify the powerups ... |
| 15:06:36 | Luca_S | webclient lagging |
| 15:07:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:07:01 | * | moos considers that he speaks way too much about this, let's hope on JdGordon now |
| 15:07:39 | Luca_S | my fuzev2 has a different firmware version, 02.01.09F - and I seem unable to find that revision on the Sandisk web site |
| 15:08:00 | Luca_S | can I generate somehow the md5sum of the OF on my player? |
| 15:08:04 | Torne | no |
| 15:08:10 | Torne | but you don't need to use the OF on your player.. |
| 15:08:16 | Torne | (i think) |
| 15:08:31 | gevaerts | Actually, you *can't* use the copy on your player |
| 15:08:39 | Torne | yeah. just get the latest version from sandisk |
| 15:08:40 | Torne | and use that |
| 15:08:43 | Torne | it will upgrade your player :) |
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| 15:08:57 | kugel | Luca_S: either use one of the OFs supported by mkamsboot or feel free to run mkamsboot on unknown ones (which is a slight risk) |
| 15:09:08 | Torne | i suspect 02.01.09F is the original version, maybe? |
| 15:09:13 | Torne | which is why there's no firmware update to it |
| 15:09:29 | Torne | it sounds like a low number, at least :) |
| 15:10:35 | Luca_S | I never upgraded it because I was worried that later versions could change encryption schemes or anything else that could have blocked an install of Rockbox |
| 15:10:44 | Luca_S | :) |
| 15:11:58 | Luca_S | I have donwl |
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| 15:13:42 | Luca_S | I have downloaded a few different versions from the Sandisk site: fuze02.01.17, fuze02.02.26, fuze02.02.28, fuze02.03.31 - the latter two are missing from mkamsboot.c because they're untested yet? |
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| 15:14:20 | kugel | right |
| 15:14:21 | kugel | I have only tested the ones mkamsboot suppors |
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| 15:32:29 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24926): Brickmania: Fix wrong power image in shown, caused by previous commit |
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| 15:36:39 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24927): Brickmania: Re-arrange code (no functional change) ... |
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| 15:42:54 | AsaelReiter | tomers: Is there any difference between NUMBER_OF_POWERUPS and POWER_TYPE_COUNT? |
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| 15:53:40 | tomers | AsaelReiter: Thanks. I guess you just found a bug :-) I'll fix that |
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| 16:02:52 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r24928): Brickmania: Fix NUMBER_OF_POWERUPS and POWER_TYPE_COUNT were used for the same purpose ... |
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| 16:14:20 | kkurbjun | tomers: I don't know if you saw my message on the development list, but the powerup collision checking should use the line intersection tests |
| 16:21:15 | tomers | kkurbjun: noted. I'll try to do that if i have some more time. Do you intend to do that yourself? |
| 16:21:49 | kkurbjun | I won't have time for a while, I am about to head out to work and I will be on vacation for a bit starting this afternoon |
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| 16:29:41 | tomers | kkurbjun: ok.. I'll do it. thanks for telling me about it |
| 16:30:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did the location of the cygwin packages change recently? I'm trying to point cygwin to http://download.rockbox.org, but cygwin's telling me that it can't find the sig.ini file there. |
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| 16:30:48 | * | tomers Found a bug related to the powerups in Brickmania (probably caused by recent committs). Debugging... |
| 16:31:04 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: that's an *old* issue! |
| 16:31:10 | gevaerts | You need setup -X |
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| 16:32:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I'm doing setup -X. |
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| 17:16:44 | amiconn | gevaerts, LambdaCalculus37: The cygwin packages on rockbox.org won't work for cygwin 1.7. They were built for cygwin 1.5.x |
| 17:17:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Ahh, that explains it. |
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| 17:17:49 | amiconn | Cygwin 1.7 is current now. Someone needs to make new packages |
| 17:18:00 | amiconn | Unfortunately I have no idea how to build cygwin packages |
| 17:18:44 | amiconn | (anyway I'd need to convince the cygwin installer to upgrade my cygwin 1.7 beta installation instead of insisting on a new install) |
| 17:22:00 | gevaerts | How long does building toolchains take these days on cygwin on relatively recent hardware? |
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| 17:24:15 | amiconn | I think it was a few hours |
| 17:24:37 | amiconn | That was on my laptop - Core2 Duo @2.4GHz with 4GB RAM and SSD |
| 17:24:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Might be slowing in a WinXP VM on my Mac. |
| 17:24:56 | amiconn | Virus scanner stopped |
| 17:24:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/slowing/slower |
| 17:25:21 | * | amiconn should probably just reinstall cygwin and rebuild the toolchains |
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| 17:36:44 | webguest74 | how do I delete a theme from my Ipod? |
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| 17:40:43 | linuxstb | webguest74: Using the "Theme remove" viewer plugin - it's documented in the manual |
| 17:41:05 | leavittx | hey guys! what about .xm music support in rb? I found only this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8806 |
| 17:42:18 | linuxstb | leavittx: That's all there is. There's technical problems preventing that being added to the official Rockbox builds as its currently written. |
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| 17:44:28 | leavittx | linuxstb: You mean lack of fpu on some platforms, right? Will it run on my Cowon D2 by the way? |
| 17:45:11 | linuxstb | leavittx: No, it's the problem with memory handling (if I remember correctly) |
| 17:45:23 | linuxstb | But I'm sure the comments on that task explain. |
| 17:46:56 | webguest74 | Thanks linuxstb. Can i just delete the cfg file within the rockbox folder? |
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| 17:47:45 | linuxstb | Yes, but that would still leave other files there. |
| 17:48:01 | webguest74 | ok thanks ! |
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| 17:57:39 | leavittx | Do I get it right that i can use any functions from <math.h>, but ones from "lib/fixedpoint.h" are much faster? |
| 17:58:19 | Torne | Probably not *any* functions from math.h |
| 17:58:24 | Torne | i doubt we implement erf() or similar :) |
| 17:58:47 | gevaerts | our math.h doesn't have many functions :) |
| 17:59:00 | Torne | Ah, that's true |
| 17:59:05 | Torne | in fact it has none |
| 17:59:13 | Torne | ok one but that's not useful to users |
| 17:59:56 | Torne | leavittx: so then pardon me, no, you can't. the floating point math functions are just not there. |
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| 18:00:39 | Torne | i've never looked bnefore ;) |
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| 18:02:30 | leavittx | Torne: Do you say by that I have to use functions from "lib/fixedpoint.h"? |
| 18:02:35 | leavittx | or what? |
| 18:03:19 | Torne | leavittx: the functions from math.h on other systems just don't exist |
| 18:03:40 | Torne | fixedpoint.h has a fixed point version of sin/cos/sqrt (though not anything else) |
| 18:04:26 | Torne | those are all you get |
| 18:04:27 | gevaerts | leavittx: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:06:01 | leavittx | gevaerts: first of all, I need square root. |
| 18:06:16 | leavittx | after that I need sin and cos |
| 18:06:22 | leavittx | that's all for now |
| 18:06:54 | leavittx | I'm trying to write plugins =) |
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| 18:09:26 | gevaerts | Well, fixedpoint.h should work for you then, but you'll have to get used to think in fixed point |
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| 18:13:59 | leavittx | And how do I do this? |
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| 18:20:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Regarding the cygwin packages... Strife89 is also running Cygwin 1.7.1 and managed to install the packages. |
| 18:21:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands the mic to Strife89 |
| 18:22:13 | Strife89 | It was a fairly straightforward install. I followed the directions on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots . |
| 18:23:34 | Strife89 | The only thing I changed was running a command prompt as an administrator, then "cd"ing into the directory with setup.exe before exectuing "setup.exe -X". |
| 18:24:29 | Strife89 | My OS is Vista, by the way. |
| 18:25:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mine is XP SP3. |
| 18:25:32 | Strife89 | SP2 is installed on this Vista setup. |
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| 18:49:23 | leavittx | Where can I find millisecond-resolution timer finction for my platform (Cowon D2)? If any exist... |
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| 18:53:01 | domonoky | leavittx: you can use the tick (10ms resolution) or the register_timer() function, but dont know how the resolution is on those. |
| 18:53:34 | domonoky | remember, that in a plugin you can only use functions from the plugin api. |
| 18:53:38 | gevaerts | I don't think it's going to be better. |
| 18:56:26 | leavittx | gevaerts: and what is going? |
| 18:56:39 | gevaerts | ? |
| 18:56:50 | leavittx | >I don't think it's going to be better. |
| 18:57:08 | leavittx | ah, tick then |
| 18:57:28 | gevaerts | timer tasks are scheduled run from the tick interrupt I think, so they're also 10ms |
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| 18:57:41 | gevaerts | unless I'm wrong about them |
| 18:58:16 | JdGordon | moos: amiconn: pixelma: kugel: Alexp: (+anyone who thinks there is a slower boot time). If r24922 didnt fix it up then it NEVER WAS THE SBS CHANGES! my mini2g boots in less than 2 seconds so I dont know what the bloody hell the fuss is and noone has prvided hard numbers to say there is a delay |
| 18:58:36 | * | domonoky remembers that the user-timer is using the second hardware timer on most hardware, but i am also not sure :-) |
| 18:58:56 | AlexP | JdGordon: I haven't got around to measuring yet which is why I haven't said anything |
| 18:59:46 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: It *might* be installable, but afaiu it won't work. The Cygwin 1.7.x cygwin1.dll is not compatible with the 1.5.x version |
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| 19:00:29 | leavittx | okay. What about fgets/fgetc functions? I don't see them here: http://mcuelenaere.alwaysdata.net/rockbox_api_example_3/__file.html |
| 19:00:39 | amiconn | gevaerts: The user timer is used by registering a callback, which is called in interupt context |
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| 19:00:57 | domonoky | register_timer() specifys the frequency in cycles per TIMERFREQ, so it has higher resolution, but it differs between targets. |
| 19:01:06 | AlexP | JdGordon: My gigabeat S takes 3.7 seconds for the toshiba bootloader, 2 seconds for the rockbox bootloader then 11.5 seconds sat on the Rockbox splash before I get the main menu |
| 19:01:25 | amiconn | So (1) resolution varies by target, but should be 1µs or better. (2) You need to be careful about what you're executing there |
| 19:01:27 | AlexP | I'll try going back over previous versions later tonight |
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| 19:01:51 | gevaerts | ok, makes sense |
| 19:02:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I guess I'll be looking for the 1.5.x installer for now, then. |
| 19:02:22 | JdGordon | AlexP: I assume thats stop watch times? and is that with a theme? how long does a theme take to apple if you load it from the menus? |
| 19:02:27 | saratoga | I've closed a few threads, typed a detailed message explaining why, and then had the thread deleted a couple hours later |
| 19:02:35 | saratoga | can we stop deleting every closed thread |
| 19:02:52 | saratoga | it kind of defeats the purpose of telling people why you closed the thread if the explination is deleted |
| 19:02:53 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: I doubt you can still install 1.5.x. I would expect the cygwin team to have taken down the packages |
| 19:02:54 | rasher | Or at least wait n days before deleting it |
| 19:03:02 | saratoga | why delete it at all |
| 19:03:04 | AlexP | saratoga: I deleted a coupld that I thought utterly pointless after making sure the OP had read them |
| 19:03:10 | saratoga | if its locked just let it sink off the front page |
| 19:03:16 | domonoky | leavittx: on D2 the register_timer() resolution is 2Mhz, but listen to what amiconn said :-) |
| 19:03:19 | AlexP | Then it messes up searches |
| 19:03:25 | rasher | saratoga: s/n ratio of searches |
| 19:03:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: So the only thing to do is update the Rockbox packages for 1.7.1, then. |
| 19:03:45 | saratoga | thats hardly worth caring about |
| 19:03:54 | AlexP | yes it is |
| 19:03:57 | leavittx | domonoky: thanks :) |
| 19:04:27 | saratoga | i had someone send me an angry message asking why his thread was deleted the other day because he apparently didn't get to see the message i typed out explaining what he should do |
| 19:04:35 | AlexP | JdGordon: That is with a stop watch yes, - I'll do a series of measurements later. I don't want to say anything until I have |
| 19:04:36 | saratoga | because it was deleted for no real reason |
| 19:05:49 | AlexP | Then that was an error |
| 19:05:50 | domonoky | leavittx: fgetc/fgets dont exist, you have todo it with the functions which are there :-) |
| 19:05:58 | AlexP | But keeping the search useful is important |
| 19:06:25 | amiconn | domonoky: 2MHz equals 0.5µs resolution. PP has 1µs resolution (1MHz timer base), Coldfire has ~0.1µs resolution (11.2896 MHz timer base) at best (i.e. when prescaling isn't necessary) |
| 19:06:46 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Yes - if someone knows how to make cygwin packages |
| 19:07:06 | leavittx | domonoky: i've found read_line() |
| 19:07:16 | amiconn | Otherwise you can just build the toolchains yourself using rockboxdev.sh |
| 19:08:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: If a thread is useless, maybe just delete it and PM the user, rather than posting a comment and locking? I thought sending users PMs was the normal thing to do, but I'm not a forum mod... |
| 19:08:20 | leavittx | domonoky: now need something for fputc :-\ |
| 19:08:26 | rasher | Maybe we should just phase out the cygwin packages and stick with rockboxdev.sh |
| 19:08:26 | saratoga | if you send them PMs its an invitation for them to argue with you |
| 19:08:33 | saratoga | i don't care to do it |
| 19:08:37 | AlexP | linuxstb: It is, yes (especially with deleting) |
| 19:08:39 | domonoky | leavittx: just use write() ? |
| 19:08:44 | linuxstb | saratoga: I would just ignore such replies. |
| 19:09:01 | AlexP | saratoga: The person deleting should make sure the OP has seen it, but deleting pointless threads is the right thing to do |
| 19:09:38 | leavittx | domonoky: thanks. everything simply strange a little for me for first time ;) |
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| 19:20:51 | webguest73 | how can i delete custom eq saves within my ipod? |
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| 19:27:22 | starless | I Installed r24923 on an iPod Video 5.5 this morning and noticed an unexpected side effect while Using the latest version of the AW200 theme (with SBS support) |
| 19:27:37 | starless | With today's build, the backdrop is not cleared and the menu displays over top of the album art, with the AA still visible around the menu |
| 19:27:47 | starless | In build r24916, while in the WPS, hitting 'Menu' would clear the backdrop and display the system menu in the center of the screen |
| 19:27:59 | starless | AA then appears to be broken when changing to other themes, including Cabbie v2 |
| 19:28:07 | starless | Has anyone else seen this? |
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| 19:30:14 | webguest73 | can i delete custom eq saves within my ipod? |
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| 19:37:06 | starless | webguest73: highlight your custom eq, hold down the 'Select' button, then choose 'Delete' |
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| 19:41:25 | webguest73 | Great thanks! where abouts are the saved eqs? theyre not in the preset folder |
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| 19:42:57 | kugel | tomers: why didn't you leave it in the enum? |
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| 19:46:14 | starless | webguest73: Why not browse (and delete) from the Equalizer menu? |
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| 19:47:15 | webguest73 | my saved file isnt there |
| 19:48:04 | webguest73 | I did a "reset settings" did that delete it? |
| 19:50:30 | starless | webguest73: Should be in /.rockbox/eqs directory |
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| 19:53:22 | webguest73 | ahhh thank you. is it just that one file? any hidden ones? |
| 19:54:01 | starless | webguest73: That's all |
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| 19:56:48 | webguest73 | starless thank you! one last question. when I safely remove ipod from Windows, the do not disconnect screen remains. is it ok to remove? |
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| 20:01:27 | starless | webguest73: On my iPod, it stays on screen until it is physically disconnected |
| 20:02:32 | webguest73 | ok thanks |
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| 20:03:48 | kugel | strange |
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| 20:05:02 | kugel | my fuzev2 crashes in clear_viewport() |
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| 20:05:43 | kugel | I have only backlight so far, it's pretty annoying :( |
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| 20:10:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn, rasher: Regarding this: http://pastebin.ca/1812206 I suggest a patch be made and put into the tracker for this. |
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| 20:11:12 | starless | JdGordon_: Please take a peek at log starting at 19:27:22, possibly something got broken in the SBS in an earlier build from today? |
| 20:13:08 | kugel | this seems to become a while(1) loop: http://pastie.org/844604 |
| 20:13:13 | kugel | I don't understand why |
| 20:13:54 | JdGordon_ | starless: can you compile oyur own builds? |
| 20:14:42 | kugel | hm, I maybe understand why |
| 20:15:11 | gevaerts | kugel: what type are dst and dst_end? |
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| 20:15:23 | starless | JdGordon_: Sorry, I am but a mere RB user |
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| 20:17:34 | kugel | gevaerts: fb_data* |
| 20:17:50 | JdGordon_ | starless: file the bug on the bug tracker, I cant do anything about it now (I'm at work) |
| 20:18:39 | kugel | I assume the (i)ram is full |
| 20:19:00 | starless | JdGordon_: Will do, thanks! |
| 20:19:02 | kugel | the framebuffer is at the end, that loop writes to the entire framebuffer |
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| 20:20:05 | gevaerts | unless it's at the end of the address space, it shouldn't loop |
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| 20:21:34 | amiconn | Ís it at the *very* end of the 32 bit address space? |
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| 20:29:55 | starless | JdGordon_: FS #11060 |
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| 20:38:36 | kugel | amiconn, gevaerts: It's linked to the end of binary. but I do not know how big the ram it's extracted to really is |
| 20:39:04 | gevaerts | kugel: the map file should say |
| 20:40:12 | kugel | gevaerts: how? the linker listens to what we write into the lds files. if that's wrong the linker is wrong also (and the map file too) |
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| 20:41:10 | gevaerts | kugel: well yes. What exactly are you seeing? |
| 20:41:34 | kugel | nothing :) |
| 20:42:02 | kugel | I switch arount the backlight_init() call a bit, and notice that it's not called after that loop |
| 20:42:31 | kugel | and that loop is the first one (AFAICS) that writes to a big portion of ram |
| 20:43:37 | amiconn | I can only imagine one of two things |
| 20:44:09 | bertrik | maybe it has less ram than you think and writing outside of it causes some kind of abort |
| 20:44:15 | amiconn | (1) The framebuffer is mapped so that it reaches or overlaps the very end of address space. You should see this in the .map |
| 20:45:03 | amiconn | (2) If it isn't, it might still end outside vaild memory area, causing a bus hang. I don't know whether this can happen on arm; it does happen on coldfire |
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| 20:47:02 | amiconn | This is due to how the coldfire bus controller works. It waits for the acknowledge, but if it accesses an area that's neither set to auto-ack nor sends an ack, it will happily wait forever |
| 20:47:22 | kugel | I'm thinking about (2) |
| 20:47:40 | kugel | IIRC Unhelpful also reported hangs when writing to non-existent ram |
| 20:50:11 | kugel | hm, no. I now tried to move the framebuffer before all code and it still doesn't work |
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| 20:53:08 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r24929): Describe the %cs WPS tag in the manual (fix FS #11053) |
| 20:54:09 | kugel | maybe I should disable caching for now |
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| 20:56:55 | leavittx | Which function is best to replace pow(x, y)? |
| 20:57:47 | JdGordon_ | while (−−y) x *= x; |
| 20:57:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r24930): Remove an unneeded word in the section header |
| 20:59:13 | JdGordon_ | hmm,is tha goign to run the loop once too often? |
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| 21:00:25 | leavittx | JdGordon_: I need power for double (float) arguments |
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| 21:01:17 | bertrik | you could do exp(y * log(x)), but that only works only for positive x |
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| 21:04:36 | leavittx | bertrik: what exp?? what log??? |
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| 21:06:56 | bertrik | leavittx, not sure if we actually have those in rockbox, but any exp and log using the same base will do |
| 21:07:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother, domonoky: Is there any real reason why the OS X port of rbutil is still building a bundle named rbutilqt? |
| 21:07:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can't we change it to give us an app bundle named 'Rockbox Utility'? |
| 21:07:46 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: if you can to this, it would be nice :-) |
| 21:07:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonky: Consider it done. :) |
| 21:09:20 | CIA-5 | New commit by rmenes (r24931): Have the Mac OS X port of Rockbox Utility actually be called Rockbox Utility instead of just rbutilqt. |
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| 21:11:59 | leavittx | bertrik: there are fp_exp10 fp_log10, but they take a long value as argument :(( |
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| 21:12:51 | gevaerts | leavittx: don't use float or double if you can at all avoid them. The fixed point stuff is there for a reason |
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| 21:14:31 | leavittx | gevaerts: brr. I don't have any idea how to do that... |
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| 21:15:24 | gevaerts | You did want to learn ;) |
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| 21:18:03 | billak | I have fuse running latest rockbox it runs very well but when it comes to recording, recording level is low. any idea wil be apreciated. |
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| 21:22:00 | leavittx | gevaerts :D |
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| 21:24:58 | leavittx | How to include correctly inttypes.h in my plugin? |
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| 21:26:27 | leavittx | Or it isn't needed? For example for uint32_t |
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| 21:28:12 | bertrik | uint32_t is in <stdint.h> IIRC, but I don't know for sure if we have that in rockbox |
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| 21:31:36 | leavittx | hmmm I've found all needed stuff in apps/plugins/pdbox/pdbox.h. How do i include this to my plugin? |
| 21:32:14 | leavittx | bertrik: see firmware/include/inttypes.h −− all types are there. How do I include this file? |
| 21:32:47 | leavittx | because I get tons of errors (% |
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| 21:44:33 | leavittx | No atof()??? |
| 21:45:00 | gevaerts | Why would it be there? We don't do float! |
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| 21:46:57 | archivator | Out of curiosity, you can still, in theory, use floats and everything would compile and link just fine, right? The binsize would skyrocket, sure, but will it still work? |
| 21:48:13 | gevaerts | slowly, probably |
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| 21:49:44 | leavittx | okay. I've understood it. what about header files (my 2 questions above)? please |
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| 21:52:23 | gevaerts | I seem to be able to include inttypes.h just fune. What's the problem? |
| 21:53:04 | gevaerts | *fine |
| 21:53:13 | archivator | leavittx: just do #include <inttypes.h> , works fine. |
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| 21:55:47 | leavittx | hmm. one second (% |
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| 22:07:43 | gormux | hi all |
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| 22:09:51 | gormux | I jsut installed rockbox on a cowon D2, and I have a little problem |
| 22:10:20 | gormux | everything works, aparently, but when i'm in palying mode, I cannot change tracks |
| 22:10:30 | gormux | is there a way to configure this ? |
| 22:12:56 | JdGordon_ | did you read the manual? |
| 22:13:20 | archivator | gormux: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-cowond2/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-480004.3.1 |
| 22:13:33 | archivator | But really, go through the whole manual. |
| 22:14:28 | gormux | JdGordon_: I just found the corresponding page in the wiki |
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| 22:17:16 | leavittx | gormux: I also have D2, and it seems to me that I don't have such problem :P |
| 22:17:54 | gormux | leavittx: you mean, a wps screen usable in touchscreen mode directly ? |
| 22:18:26 | leavittx | In 3x3 grid mode |
| 22:18:36 | gormux | the buttons don't even work for me, in wps mode the only working buttons are volume and contextual menu |
| 22:18:51 | gormux | ah, i'm not on this mode |
| 22:20:05 | JdGordon_ | then it makes sense that the buttons dont work :) |
| 22:20:10 | JdGordon_ | which theme? |
| 22:20:18 | gormux | default one |
| 22:20:27 | gormux | first time I try rockbox |
| 22:20:35 | JdGordon_ | I thought that one had touch areas setup? |
| 22:20:37 | gormux | installed it about 30 minutes ago :) |
| 22:20:53 | gormux | hum, no ? |
| 22:21:05 | gormux | i calibrate the screen, and that's all |
| 22:21:19 | JdGordon_ | press things that look like icons on the wps |
| 22:21:29 | JdGordon_ | I think the rockbox logo takes you back to the menu |
| 22:21:31 | gormux | they do nothing |
| 22:22:36 | JdGordon_ | hmm |
| 22:23:09 | JdGordon_ | that should be fixed :) otherwise put it back in 3x3 mode (which sucks) |
| 22:23:41 | JdGordon_ | or download themes which do have touchscreen support |
| 22:23:54 | leavittx | Seriously, I wanna include pdbox/pdbox.h in my plugin. I do that by #include "pdbox/pdbox.h" after #include "plugin.h". After that I have this compilation error: struct plugin_api has no member named rb, on lines, where I call rb->smth() functions. Little help? |
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| 22:24:18 | gormux | JdGordon_: do you have a suggestion for the theme ? |
| 22:24:51 | JdGordon_ | themes.rockbox.org |
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| 22:25:11 | gormux | ok I'll check |
| 22:25:17 | gormux | thanks for your help |
| 22:26:15 | archivator | leavittx: you sure you have PLUGIN_HEADER in your plugin? |
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| 22:27:20 | leavittx | archivator: yep. absolutely. |
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| 22:27:44 | leavittx | without that header everything is ok |
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| 22:48:11 | leavittx | Any other ideas? |
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| 22:56:20 | domonoky | leavittx: you cant just include headers from other plugins. |
| 22:56:43 | domonoky | it could be done by copiing the complete code, but thats ugly.. |
| 22:57:29 | leavittx | how beautiful |
| 22:57:41 | domonoky | perhaps a better way would be to move those functions you need from pdbox into the plugin lib, and adjust it accordingly. |
| 22:57:41 | leavittx | I have no choice |
| 22:58:01 | leavittx | into my plugin's lib? |
| 22:58:26 | leavittx | i.e. write non-one-file plugin |
| 22:58:30 | domonoky | no, there is a general plugin lib, which all plugins can use. |
| 22:58:49 | leavittx | lib/something.h? |
| 22:59:18 | domonoky | apps/plugins/lib/* is the code in the plugin lib |
| 22:59:59 | domonoky | but for a start you can surely just copy the relevant functions into your plugin, and make it nice when everythign works fine. |
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| 23:00:04 | leavittx | and I have to modify the SOURCES file, right? |
| 23:00:36 | domonoky | yes, SOURCES (and SUBDIRS) control which files get compiled. |
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| 23:01:24 | leavittx | sounds good (% |
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