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| 00:06:32 | kugel | hrm, nvram.bin doesn't seem very reliable |
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| 00:18:31 | JdGordon | be carefu with nvram.. its only 44bytes iirc |
| 00:18:44 | JdGordon | just use the .cfg setting.. its not a bad thing if that number is avilable to the user |
| 00:18:49 | JdGordon | which it is as a file anyway |
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| 00:27:40 | kugel | works with a status_save() call |
| 00:28:29 | JdGordon | just be careful, on targets where nvram is actuall saved to real flash we are stuck with a set size |
| 00:29:16 | kugel | I don't see a mention of a limit in the code |
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| 00:30:43 | kugel | amiconn: do you know more? |
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| 00:31:10 | JdGordon | NVRAM_BLOCK_SIZE is 44 |
| 00:31:45 | JdGordon | I cant remmeber if you can choose how many bytes you need to save |
| 00:32:04 | kugel | it looks like |
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| 00:34:37 | JdGordon | and I tihnk we are really close, maybe even using all 44 bytes already |
| 00:35:50 | kugel | I'm not hitting it |
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| 00:37:40 | kugel | 30 currently |
| 00:37:44 | kugel | with my change |
| 00:40:52 | pixelma | could it be target dependent? |
| 00:42:44 | kugel | yea, but I counted the maximum |
| 00:45:07 | saratoga | i thought it was full at one point, though maybe things were moved out of there |
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| 00:49:36 | kugel | JdGordon: btw, the image loader is smart enough for not doing a "give me all"-like allocation |
| 00:50:04 | JdGordon | the preloader isnt |
| 00:50:24 | kugel | what preloader? |
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| 00:52:47 | JdGordon | skin parser |
| 00:53:53 | kugel | you just need to run the bmp loader with FORMAT_RETURN_SIZE to get the max size of the resulting image before you call it for loading it |
| 00:54:12 | kugel | (that's what my patch does so that I can get the size without loading the whole image) |
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| 00:58:43 | JdGordon | sure, but then you end up loading it wtice |
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| 01:02:55 | kugel | no, only the header |
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| 01:03:30 | kugel | the disk is spinning anyway. a header of very few bytes doesn't matter if it would simplify the code hugely |
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| 01:07:49 | JdGordon | anyone else getting lots of dataa aborts recently? |
| 01:08:38 | S_a_i_n_t | define "lots" |
| 01:08:45 | JdGordon | in queue_post() :( |
| 01:08:51 | JdGordon | about 4 today already |
| 01:09:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, I haven't noticed...but my nano1g (most used) is abot 50 revisions or so behind current SVN |
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| 01:20:32 | S_a_i_n_t | AA finder also checks for Folder.jpg doesn't it? does it matter if its "Folder" and not "folder"? |
| 01:21:16 | JdGordon | it does a case insensitive search |
| 01:21:24 | JdGordon | so both work |
| 01:22:43 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks...that makes things a WHOLE lot easier...I *was* going through and making a "cover.jpg" for each album, and then I remembered that WMP uses "Folder.jpg" for its AA also, so I've been doing it irrelevantly for about a year or so... |
| 01:22:50 | S_a_i_n_t | waaa, waaah |
| 01:23:16 | S_a_i_n_t | (trumpet noise in case you didn't guess* |
| 01:26:57 | kugel | JdGordon: on the sim it's case senstive |
| 01:27:07 | kugel | it's probably FS dependant |
| 01:27:12 | JdGordon | yes it is :/ it annoys me alot |
| 01:28:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not actually sure it is on the SIM, that's why I asked...I noticed I had AA...but the only thing it could have been finding was Folder.jpg. |
| 01:28:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I hadn't made any of my irrelevant cover.jpg's yet |
| 01:28:25 | S_a_i_n_t | and it worked... |
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| 01:39:19 | JdGordon | kugel: better... you've left comments aboutt he file though |
| 01:39:43 | kugel | yea, it's not final. it has a bunch of printfs commented out also |
| 01:40:19 | JdGordon | are the finalize functions really needed? |
| 01:40:26 | JdGordon | cant it all be just one generic one? |
| 01:43:07 | kugel | well, it needs the wps_data struct of each skin |
| 01:43:22 | JdGordon | right, so just pass it? |
| 01:43:27 | JdGordon | its always the same isnt it? |
| 01:43:32 | kugel | it's generic. the skin funcs are just wrapper |
| 01:43:41 | JdGordon | so skip the wrapper |
| 01:44:01 | JdGordon | it can be added later if its needed, but it probably isnt |
| 01:44:04 | kugel | the structs are static to the skin files, the skin engine doesn't see them |
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| 01:45:46 | JdGordon | wait, whats the finalize for anyway? |
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| 01:46:43 | kugel | loading fonts and images |
| 01:46:56 | JdGordon | why isnt it called at boot? |
| 01:47:03 | kugel | it is |
| 01:47:21 | kugel | it's called after the first pass if the current skin buffer turns out to be big enough |
| 01:47:38 | kugel | after boot it's all single pass |
| 01:47:44 | JdGordon | only if at_boot == false? |
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| 01:48:58 | kugel | at boot, skins load in a single pass (as in svn), every successive skin load is divided into two passes because we need to know the size before loading the big stuff |
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| 02:18:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Grrrr....My Nano2g (current SVN) hangs upon selecting a track (ie. wont play) from both the file browser and the database. The database build the playlist, but then just hangs on "Searching... XXXX tracks found (Play/Pause to abort) |
| 02:19:00 | S_a_i_n_t | and neither play nore pause aborts it...it needs a hard reset. |
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| 02:22:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, new development. Have any config settings changed recently? It plays fine with default settings but my "my preferred settings" .cfg makes it hang. |
| 02:23:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Anything obvious I should check for? it worked fine yeaterday. |
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| 02:30:45 | Unhelpful | obviously check things that you change in your preferred settings? |
| 02:30:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, its my WPS...what has changed in that department? As my WPS hasn't changed...and it was working fine last time I checked. |
| 02:31:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Skin buffer? |
| 02:31:25 | Unhelpful | try bisecting to see what revision it starts with? :P |
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| 02:32:20 | S_a_i_n_t | thing is...the other WPS (cabbie) works fine, but mine is substantially larger than cabbie is. |
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| 02:32:41 | Unhelpful | again, try bisecting and you'll know what revision causes the trouble. |
| 02:33:08 | S_a_i_n_t | what's a good ammount of revisions to jump back by? |
| 02:33:18 | S_a_i_n_t | s/good/appropriate/ |
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| 03:01:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmmm, disk info has: vendor, model, firmware, size, free, cluster size, vendor, model, firmware, size, free, cluster size, vendor, model, firmware, size, free, cluster size, vendor, model, firmware, size, free, cluster size, vendor, model, firmware, size, free, cluster size, vendor, model. <−−and its not scrolling, thats how its displayed in the list. Why? |
| 03:12:00 | S_a_i_n_t | would FS #5855 - Pong Upgrades ever be considered for commit? A solely two player game on a DAP doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. I've checked it out, and the AI is *fairly* good. it makes pong playable on the clickwheel targets as well, two player on a clickwheel takes either a lot of cooperation, or just doesn't work (as you can't press << and >> simultaniously for example) |
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| 03:19:33 | kugel | I don't know why it shouldn |
| 03:19:34 | kugel | t |
| 03:20:38 | S_a_i_n_t | define "it" please? |
| 03:20:41 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: tried your big theme with my resizable skin buffer patch? |
| 03:21:10 | S_a_i_n_t | no, has the skin buffer changed recently? |
| 03:21:29 | S_a_i_n_t | by changed I mean, gotten smaller? |
| 03:21:46 | kugel | no |
| 03:22:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...shit, I can't immediately think of a reason it would make the play selection hang...but it does. |
| 03:22:31 | S_a_i_n_t | it didn't used to. |
| 03:22:42 | S_a_i_n_t | Urrrrgh, that was bad grammar. |
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| 03:41:55 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: what's the FS# for your skin buffer patch please? |
| 03:44:43 | S_a_i_n_t | nvm...found it. |
| 03:45:01 | S_a_i_n_t | search in flyspray spazzed out for some reason. |
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| 04:33:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Who fancys themselves as a WPS expert? |
| 04:34:27 | S_a_i_n_t | If anyone can see an obvious reason as to why http://pastebin.com/YXDBC3Wz is broken as of current SVN, I invite you to tell me :D |
| 04:35:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I find it curious that all the "stock" WPS' work, yet mine now doesn't...whereas it used to. Last known revision it worked with was 249003 |
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| 04:42:11 | karashata | I can't see anything obvious, it looks like it should work fine... |
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| 04:44:35 | karashata | though I'd be curious to see what it would say in the command window when using it in the sim if it didn't work there, since it usually gives a pretty good error with a line number |
| 04:47:23 | karashata | of course, the precompiled windows sims aren't at all up to date anymore and I don't have a build environment set up, so I can't very well build a sim myself... bah... |
| 04:48:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, well..that answers *that* question :D |
| 04:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I was going to ask if you could build a SIM for me, I'm checking out a new revision atm to bisect so I can see what breaks it. |
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| 04:49:28 | S_a_i_n_t | If someone *is* able to build/upload somewhere a current SVN Nano2g SIM...I'd be *VERY* greatful. |
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| 04:50:00 | karashata | I suppose I could always reboot into linux and set up the build environment there real quick... |
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| 04:50:20 | S_a_i_n_t | karashata: and thanks for checking out my code btw... |
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| 04:50:38 | karashata | no problem, give me about 15 minutes or so and I should be up and running, hopefully |
| 04:50:38 | S_a_i_n_t | If you come up with any ways I could condense it, I'd be greatful also. |
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| 04:51:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I *think* it's the buffer, (as the images/bitmap strips for animation are HUGE), but according to kugel the skin buffer hasn't changed...so I'm thinking maybe viewport handling changed somehow? |
| 04:52:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Its pure speculation untill I see a SIM output |
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| 05:52:00 | webguest51 | hey i have a question |
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| 05:52:33 | saratoga | if I put my sansa onto repeat, then turn repeat off, when I hit next I get the same track |
| 05:52:46 | saratoga | the track number advances, but its still the same track |
| 05:52:51 | saratoga | even if I keep advancing |
| 05:52:57 | JdGordon | which rep mode? |
| 05:53:02 | saratoga | "one" |
| 05:55:18 | saratoga | heh just tried it again and it didn't repeat at all, but instead decreased the track number while advancing to the next track |
| 05:55:50 | JdGordon | thats pretty messed up :) |
| 05:56:04 | saratoga | ok this is reproducible on my sansa |
| 05:56:08 | saratoga | play track |
| 05:56:10 | saratoga | set repeat |
| 05:56:14 | saratoga | let it repeat at least once |
| 05:56:16 | saratoga | then turn it off |
| 05:56:28 | saratoga | playback will become badly confused |
| 05:56:58 | saratoga | you can seek to the end of the track to do this quickly |
| 05:57:38 | saratoga | ha if you keep doing that and skip to the last track, it'll skip to the next directory, queue up that many files, and then continue to play the next track |
| 05:57:44 | saratoga | err same track |
| 05:58:06 | saratoga | manually selecting a new track fixes it |
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| 06:55:38 | S_a_i_n_t | If anyone cares...Pictureflow is broken on Nano2g. It gives *PANIC* Stkov main. |
| 06:55:58 | S_a_i_n_t | I knew there was a reason I had to increase the main stack size, but I forgot what it was. |
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| 07:19:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I've had an idea/have a suggestion...but I fear it may stimulate some debate, but here goes: Wouldn't it make more sense to make Plugins such as Pacbox/Dict/Doom (all I can think of right now) available through rbutil/extras page as extras? I mean, all the things that don't work "out-of-the-box", the things that require another download/additional files etc. |
| 07:19:33 | S_a_i_n_t | that's my 2 cents worth anyway. |
| 07:26:08 | pixelma | uhm... did you have a look at the RockboxUtility actually? |
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| 07:37:08 | S_a_i_n_t | err....not recently, what's your point exactly? |
| 07:37:55 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps doom isn't a good example, but dict and pacbox both need files that are not available through RB resources. |
| 07:43:41 | JdGordon | and neither are legally obtainable |
| 07:43:53 | JdGordon | neither being doom and pacbox |
| 07:44:09 | S_a_i_n_t | which makes me wonder why they (the plugins) are in the release builds... |
| 07:45:00 | S_a_i_n_t | well, there is FreeDoom, but by "they" I'm talking Dict and PacBox |
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| 07:59:44 | pixelma | the freedoom files are available through RbUtil |
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| 08:01:16 | S_a_i_n_t | This I know. |
| 08:01:38 | S_a_i_n_t | but what I'm saying is that the doom plugin should be an "extra" also. |
| 08:02:44 | S_a_i_n_t | as with Dict/RockBoy/PacBox...and anything else that needs additional files or doesn;t work OOTb |
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| 08:07:35 | pixelma | OOTb? |
| 08:10:36 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry, it was supposed to be a capital B, but "Out Of The Box" |
| 08:11:12 | * | S_a_i_n_t forgets that the whole world doesn't apeak English as a first language, nor do they all know the same accronyms. |
| 08:11:14 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry. |
| 08:11:28 | S_a_i_n_t | s/apeak/speak/ |
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| 08:26:35 | amiconn | kugel, JdGordon: The limit on the recorders is indeed 44 bytes. And it's actually nvram, not flash. Essentially the same thing as the CMOS RAM of a PC |
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| 08:33:29 | JdGordon | pixelma: did you get to test the synced fm patch? |
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| 08:57:59 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: The "plugin API" changes sometimes, meaning users would need to re-download pacbox/dict/ etc when that happens. Users will also need to download them when they are changed for other reasons. It's much more convenient to just include them with Rockbox. What's the harm in them? |
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| 11:18:23 | Tomis | so Rockbox Utility correctly detects my ipod nano 2g, but when i go to "instal bootloader" it tells me "could not open Ipod", this is on a mac |
| 11:19:18 | linuxstb | Is itunes open? |
| 11:19:31 | Tomis | nope, made sure to close it |
| 11:20:16 | linuxstb | Is that the only message it gives? |
| 11:20:22 | Tomis | yup |
| 11:20:48 | Tomis | lemme click "save log" and see what it outputs |
| 11:20:55 | linuxstb | I think there's a "system log" somewhere which should give more information. Can you copy/paste that to http://pastebin.ca/ (or similar) ? |
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| 11:23:49 | Tomis | woo that log it saved is long, http://pastebin.org/99344 |
| 11:26:00 | linuxstb | Tomis: That log doesn't seem to show the failed bootloader installation. Can you try to install the bootloader again, and then save the log? |
| 11:26:15 | Tomis | yea it looks like pastebin cut off the log |
| 11:26:36 | Tomis | i pasted the full thing in.. |
| 11:29:29 | Tomis | aight, here ya go, this one didn't cut it off.. http://pastebin.ca/1816881 |
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| 11:33:19 | linuxstb | Tomis: I can't make any sense of that log... Maybe bluebrother can (he's an rbutil developer). |
| 11:34:11 | Tomis | that's the log it saved when i clicked "Save Log" in the RButil dialog that gave me the error |
| 11:34:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm not blaming you - I'm just personally not very familiar with rbutil... |
| 11:35:55 | linuxstb | You could instead try ipodpatcher to install the bootloader - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/macosx/ (just download the .dmg and run the program inside it). But it would be nice to know why rbutil is failing for you. |
| 11:36:08 | Tomis | k, well let whoever know they can feel free to PM me if i can help in some way |
| 11:37:54 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r24982): au metadata parser: optimize just a little. |
| 11:39:31 | Tomis | yea ipodpatcher tells me "resource busy" unless i go manually unmount the ipod in Disk Utility before doing the instal |
| 11:41:54 | linuxstb | Tomis: OK, so that's probably the reason rbutil fails. ipodpatcher _should_ attempt to unmount it itself though. Did you have any windows open using the ipod? |
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| 11:42:37 | Tomis | well that's the weird thing, i tried to manualyl unmount the ipod before clicking "instal bootloader" |
| 11:42:53 | Tomis | but then rbutility throws me an error about having an "invalid configuration" |
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| 11:43:07 | gevaerts | Zagor: did something happen last night? I saw a lot of build system disconnects between 2:44 and 4:07 my time |
| 11:43:36 | linuxstb | Tomis: OK, that sounds like an rbutil issue. It needs the ipod mounted to install the main Rockbox build, but it must be unmounted for the bootloader installation... |
| 11:43:55 | linuxstb | (this is just on OS X - other OSes are more forgiving) |
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| 11:46:01 | * | gevaerts thinks that linuxstb is very forgiving. Disallowing writes to one partition just because another one is mounted is just stupid |
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| 11:48:07 | linuxstb | gevaerts: IIRC, ipodpatcher opens the "whole-disk" device, not the firmware partition. |
| 11:49:36 | gevaerts | oh, ok |
| 11:49:41 | gevaerts | That makes more sense then |
| 11:49:59 | linuxstb | Although I'm failing to remember a good reason why it does that... |
| 11:50:06 | gevaerts | it |
| 11:50:11 | gevaerts | 's the one you know? |
| 11:50:26 | gevaerts | i.e. otherwise you need logic to find the partition device |
| 11:51:22 | linuxstb | But shouldn't that be straightforward? i.e. add "1" on Linux, "s1" on OS X etc.. ipodpatcher would need to read the partition table to confirm it looks like an ipod, but that only needs to be read-only. |
| 11:51:53 | gevaerts | it's the etc... that bites :) |
| 11:52:34 | linuxstb | Well, "etc" is just windows in terms of supported OSes. The code sort of supports BSD, but we have no BSD users afaik. |
| 11:52:50 | * | linuxstb waits for amiconn to port ipodpatcher to opensolaris |
| 11:53:27 | gevaerts | maybe you could leave the whole-disk code in there as a fallback? |
| 11:53:54 | linuxstb | But windows may indeed be a problem, as (at least in cygwin), the firmware partition isn't given a device node (as it's of type 0 - empty) |
| 11:54:20 | linuxstb | But I don't know if that's just in cygwin... |
| 11:55:24 | linuxstb | Tomis: So have you managed to install the bootloader somehow? |
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| 12:06:49 | Tomis | yea after unmounting the ipod, then running ipodpatcher, the bootloader appears to be installed |
| 12:07:07 | Zagor | gevaerts: nothing other than jupiter-amiconn and atlas-godeater having a bounce party |
| 12:07:53 | Tomis | when you run ipodpatcher, it will re-mount the ipod, then ocne it's found it you have to go unmount it before doing the instal otherwise it throws an error |
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| 12:38:07 | pondlife | Is it normal for Rockbox source files to have multiple copyright/owners? I thought it was simply first author...? (Honest question prompted by http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/metadata/wave.c?r1=24958;r2=24959;pathrev=24959 ) |
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| 12:39:50 | Zagor | we normally leave the original author alone there |
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| 13:19:06 | linuxstb | The wav codec has already been through one major rewrite since my initial version - I doubt I have any lines of code left in it, so it seems wrong for me to still claim (C) in it... |
| 13:19:51 | rasher | Shouldn't it technically be "First author plus everyone with substantial contributions" |
| 13:20:13 | S_a_i_n_t | I always thought Authors were appended...so as to still pay tribute to the contributors? |
| 13:20:31 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: If we did that, every file would have 100 (C) holders... |
| 13:20:48 | S_a_i_n_t | hmmm...good point. |
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| 13:22:05 | rasher | Not if you keep it at "substantial contributions" (fixing a brace error etc isn't) |
| 13:22:26 | rasher | Plus, I don't see how it would be a problem if a file *did* have 100 copyright holders? |
| 13:22:39 | rasher | Are we on a budget somehow? |
| 13:22:41 | linuxstb | rasher: I wasn't disagreeing with you! |
| 13:23:08 | linuxstb | Just S_a_i_n_t's suggestion, which I interpreted to mean _every_ contributor |
| 13:23:19 | rasher | Ah |
| 13:23:26 | S_a_i_n_t | but then that would be up to someone's definition of "substantial"...fixing a brace error could be classed as "substantial" if the error broke the syntax, and someone "fixed" it. |
| 13:23:31 | S_a_i_n_t | In some peoples eyes. |
| 13:23:41 | rasher | "substantial" meaning "copyrightable" |
| 13:23:46 | rasher | Which is of course up for debate |
| 13:23:58 | linuxstb | There's nothing wrong with debate... |
| 13:24:03 | S_a_i_n_t | isn't everything in here? :P |
| 13:24:47 | rasher | It's not like any of us could decide if something was copyrightable without a court decision |
| 13:24:55 | Torne | substantial in copyright terms refers to creative input, more or less, not to functional use |
| 13:25:11 | Torne | how much "newness" ther eis in a thing, not how useful/functional/correct it is |
| 13:25:18 | * | S_a_i_n_t is a few short moments away from proving that JdGordon somehow broke my WPS... :P |
| 13:25:28 | S_a_i_n_t | I've no idea how as yet. |
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| 13:28:06 | S_a_i_n_t | bisecting 108 revisions manually using CygWin sure isn't fun...just in case anyone wanted to try it at a later date....don't. |
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| 13:50:49 | * | amiconn bisected larger spans than that earlier, on cygwin, without major problems |
| 13:51:39 | amiconn | That's the nice thing about bisecting - you merely need one more build for each range doubling |
| 13:54:02 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: Surely that's no more than 6 or 7 compiles? |
| 13:55:21 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah...but CygWin runs pretty slow on the machine I'm forced to use atm |
| 13:55:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I *really* need to fix my linux bux |
| 13:55:43 | S_a_i_n_t | *box |
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| 14:00:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Who feels up to the task of figuring out (or even giving me a rough idea) of why the *flying* fudgies r24958 breaks this ( http://pastebin.com/YXDBC3Wz ) WPS?!? |
| 14:01:47 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon gets away with me asking him directly (for now :P hehe) for the fact that its probably about 5am in Seattle now IIUC |
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| 14:02:49 | * | pondlife thought JdGordon was in Oz for some reason.. |
| 14:03:03 | S_a_i_n_t | He will be again soon...but no. |
| 14:03:59 | pixelma | pondlife: that clearly shows that you've been away for too long ;) |
| 14:04:09 | pondlife | Heh |
| 14:04:29 | pondlife | Only a year or so |
| 14:04:36 | gevaerts | He's been away from there for nearly a year :) |
| 14:04:46 | * | S_a_i_n_t always gets a little scared when he can give someone new information...it doesn;t happen often :P |
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| 14:12:15 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: I think I know why |
| 14:12:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm...duh, I was wondering why all the "stock" themes work post 24958, but mine doesn't...and then it clicked. None of the stock themes are using multifont are they? |
| 14:12:37 | S_a_i_n_t | *for Nano1/2g at least...correct? |
| 14:12:55 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: do tell. |
| 14:13:26 | kugel | he removed the font++ for non-remote targets, but forgot to also remove the corresponding font−− which happens after wards |
| 14:14:04 | kugel | try "int skin_font_id = vp->font;" instead of "int skin_font_id = vp->font-1;" in skin_parser.c:skin_load_fonts() |
| 14:14:07 | S_a_i_n_t | so if fucked (for lack of a better word) multifont for non remote targets...but fixed it for remote targets? |
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| 14:14:23 | S_a_i_n_t | s/if/he/ |
| 14:14:45 | kugel | no as there was no problem for remote targets |
| 14:15:46 | kugel | I think the commit should be reverted, it doesn't help anything |
| 14:16:10 | kugel | it's 2-9 inclusive without that commit as well |
| 14:16:27 | S_a_i_n_t | oh, right. Hmm...well, not a *big* problem, but going by his comment not all the fonts were available to remote targets. |
| 14:16:42 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh...I see. |
| 14:17:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmm, well I don't mind if it is if it fixes my WPS :D |
| 14:17:12 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: he said somethign wrong then |
| 14:17:13 | S_a_i_n_t | but I'll try your suggestion first. |
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| 14:19:08 | S_a_i_n_t | I *just narrowed down the revision...and was building a SIM to see if I could get an output from that (but from what you've said, I wouldn't have done) to see what was wrong...but I'll abandone that, and try your change. |
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| 14:19:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Unless you're just going to revert it. |
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| 14:19:34 | kugel | that font++; is only that the loading can distinguish between built-in font and skin font. but it is decremented again before the number has any meaning to the real font loading |
| 14:20:05 | kugel | try what I suggested before :) |
| 14:20:11 | S_a_i_n_t | so, a revert is the best option no? If it breaks multifont..correct? |
| 14:20:22 | kugel | also someone should try if I'm right |
| 14:20:44 | S_a_i_n_t | I will do it now...but slow ass CygWin..so, sorry :( |
| 14:20:58 | S_a_i_n_t | but I'll be here a while, if you will be? |
| 14:23:58 | pixelma | if you already built recent SVN then a rebuilt with this small change is fairly quick even with cygwin (because only things that changed are built again) |
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| 14:28:07 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: that's true...unless you're REALLY tired and shift+del your F-ing build directory....*sigh* |
| 14:28:15 | * | S_a_i_n_t feels an idiot for this... |
| 14:28:47 | gibbon_ | hm... |
| 14:29:39 | S_a_i_n_t | Aaaaaaaaaanyway, kugel: I've applied your suggested change, and its building now. The proof is in the pudding I guess. |
| 14:30:36 | gibbon_ | i want to help improving the clip+ port of rockbox, already managed to install bootloader and preliminary build from current svn but it fails loading the Rockbox giving me some *PANIC* message... is there a way to gain more detailed error output than this oneliner that i may contribute? |
| 14:31:41 | S_a_i_n_t | have you checked the thread for it in "new ports" on the RB Forum? |
| 14:31:51 | gibbon_ | before someone states that... i know that this build ist NOT usable (in any way), won't be usable shortly and i am fully aware i may brick my device by doing something wrong |
| 14:32:20 | gibbon_ | nope... but i always black out any idea of existing forums... i am not a forum person |
| 14:32:28 | gibbon_ | i will try anyway |
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| 14:32:55 | S_a_i_n_t | well, that's not going to help much then...as a lot of development is discussed there. |
| 14:33:13 | gibbon_ | i know |
| 14:33:24 | gibbon_ | i see a 97 page thread there |
| 14:33:51 | rasher | gibbon_: have fun! |
| 14:34:52 | gibbon_ | rasher: i will :) |
| 14:36:10 | gibbon_ | its a bit confusing, though, because this thread seems to discuss much more than 1 port |
| 14:36:39 | Torne | The hardware is very similar, so they are discussed together |
| 14:38:26 | gibbon_ | yeah... i just was confused by the clipv1 being named in the topic |
| 14:39:24 | S_a_i_n_t | How do commits that break stuff actually happen? I mean, in *theory* aren't all commits supposed to be cross-target debugged before commiting to see if they break anything? Or do regular commiters get too comfortable? |
| 14:39:44 | S_a_i_n_t | I've never submitted any code in my life...so I don;t know. But I'm curious. |
| 14:39:57 | Torne | It's incredibly tedious to compile for 30+ targets before you submit :) |
| 14:40:05 | Torne | so no, people generally *don't* do that |
| 14:40:16 | S_a_i_n_t | tedious yes, but propper procedure...no? |
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| 14:40:22 | Torne | not really |
| 14:40:42 | Torne | most changes either should only affect one target or family of targets, or should affect all targets equally |
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| 14:40:52 | Torne | so it's not normally necessary |
| 14:41:12 | Torne | the breakages that are attributable to not having tested neough target builds are normally because someone forgot about, say, hwcodec |
| 14:41:23 | Torne | or some other category of target which does things differently that people mostly don't have. |
| 14:41:43 | Torne | i don't know that we have an official policy |
| 14:42:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I believe it says that somewhere in the wiki....like setting up a build environment, it says something about getting the debug libraries for debugging since you'll need to do that before submitting any code :D |
| 14:42:10 | Torne | most of those breakages are very trivial to fix, also |
| 14:42:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd try find it, but I don;t care that much :P |
| 14:42:20 | Torne | and people generally fix them within a few minutes |
| 14:42:26 | Torne | so it's not a huge deal |
| 14:43:33 | gibbon_ | i guess most people apply proper thinking and human sanity before commits |
| 14:43:43 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: Yoou need to apply http://pastie.org/842273 and rebuild rockbox.sansa (i.e. no reflash, only rockbox.zip) |
| 14:43:59 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: ah, thank you |
| 14:45:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, I'm surprised multifont broke....since 35~40-sih revisions ago...does noone really use it? |
| 14:45:10 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: some commiters are also more "comfortable" with changes than others |
| 14:45:16 | S_a_i_n_t | s/sih/ish/ |
| 14:45:26 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: oh, you don't mean build breaks? |
| 14:45:30 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: that disables i- and dcache like told in the forums? |
| 14:45:45 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: was it broken on every target? |
| 14:45:47 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: I did not look at the forums, only here :) |
| 14:45:51 | gibbon_ | :) |
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| 14:46:11 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: but it disables intruction and data caches (and yes, fractals are quite slow then :)) |
| 14:46:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: It *should* be for every target...kugel would have a better idea. |
| 14:46:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I found it whilst updating my 2g, and spent all day (whilst not working) looking to find which revision broke it. |
| 14:47:12 | S_a_i_n_t | *Nano2g |
| 14:47:13 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: it depends what the commit was. if it was something related then yes, it should probably have shown up in testing, though multifont is new ,so people may have forgotten.. |
| 14:47:22 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: as an example, playback broke in a way that makes audio pause for a second or so now and then for some people. That happened three months ago, but wasn't noticed about a month ago. Why did that take two months? |
| 14:47:25 | Torne | but if it's not obvious what the connection is then, yeah, people miss that stuff. |
| 14:47:33 | Torne | Testing on every platform is impossible |
| 14:47:40 | Torne | and for many changes testing on the simulator is irrelevant |
| 14:47:47 | Torne | and testing every feature is impossible too |
| 14:47:48 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: i don't care about speed unless its usable... so it won't be a problem |
| 14:48:38 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: it comes down to "writing software is hard" mostly :) |
| 14:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: Apparently "Total Runtime" had been broken for 5 years :P |
| 14:48:44 | Torne | yeah |
| 14:48:46 | Torne | it happens. |
| 14:49:05 | Torne | you can't really ever prove a given change doesn' tbreak *something* :) |
| 14:49:10 | Torne | on some platform, for someone's settings. |
| 14:49:18 | S_a_i_n_t | good point. |
| 14:49:30 | Torne | employing an appropriate degree of discretion here is basically what the criteria for being a submitter is ;) |
| 14:49:46 | Zagor | someone should build a massive testing rig with every supported player, and webcams, and audio analyzing and... stuff :-) |
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| 14:50:09 | S_a_i_n_t | I find it ironic, if not surprising that the person who "breaks" the code was also the one who developed the feature though :D |
| 14:50:14 | * | Torne shrugs |
| 14:50:27 | Torne | Obviously they thought the code was sound |
| 14:50:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I *always* think I'm wrong....its safer :P |
| 14:50:58 | Torne | Well, that is safer, yes |
| 14:51:02 | Torne | but it's not very *productive* |
| 14:51:09 | Torne | there's only so much testing you can do by yourself |
| 14:51:16 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: how slow is it exactly? |
| 14:51:20 | Torne | there comes a point where even if you are unsure the best way to get it tested more is to commit it anyway :) |
| 14:51:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I always say "Have I messed this up?" before "this is a bug" for instance. |
| 14:51:30 | Torne | I wasn't 100% certain the PP502x ATA DMA code was safe |
| 14:51:39 | Torne | I'd tested it every way I could think of, and a number of people used it on various players |
| 14:51:39 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: will the menu show in a reasonable time? (less than 2 minutes?) |
| 14:51:52 | Torne | eventually I committed it anyway |
| 14:51:53 | S_a_i_n_t | but you *had* tested it. |
| 14:51:55 | Torne | and nothing seems to have broken |
| 14:52:01 | Torne | Yes, I tested what it did |
| 14:52:11 | Torne | I didn't test every other feature in the OS to make sure there were no unintended side effects |
| 14:52:21 | Torne | and changing how the disk code works is pretty high up there on "likely to break stuff" :) |
| 14:52:23 | S_a_i_n_t | Ahh...I get you now. |
| 14:52:30 | Torne | I tested everything I could think of easily |
| 14:52:42 | Torne | and I used it in my actual build daily for weeks |
| 14:52:52 | Torne | but I only have one particular set of settings that I use :) |
| 14:52:54 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: redraw of the mandelbrot takes a noteworthy part of a second ... and while playing an ogg file (of course without hearing it since that does not work yet), the device is really lagging |
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| 14:53:21 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: if the change that broke multifont was something to do with fonts then yes, that's probably a sign it wasn't tested enough |
| 14:53:39 | Torne | but if it was only vaguely related then it's easy to miss, especially since multifont is new and cabbie doesn't use it |
| 14:53:41 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel seems to think it was. |
| 14:53:49 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: but oscilloscope already works for a while (with some hangs in between) until it crashes with a data error :) |
| 14:53:49 | Torne | even if you are the person who wrote multifont :) |
| 14:54:48 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: the rockbox logo stays on screen all the time (LCD turns off after a few seconds) and i don't get to the menus |
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| 14:55:02 | gibbon_ | thats why i asked |
| 14:55:12 | gibbon_ | so our definitions of slow differ ;) |
| 14:55:16 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: oh, not that slow |
| 14:55:22 | * | S_a_i_n_t wants to make it known, and perfectly clear at this point that he is aware that all are human...and that mistakes are made. |
| 14:55:45 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: yeah. so what i'm saying is that i think you are overestimating the standard of testing we expect, is all |
| 14:55:56 | Torne | in any particular instance there may have been too little testing, perhaps |
| 14:56:00 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: you unzipped rockbox.zip on the internal memory? (sorry, I don't know your rockbox experience since I'm a newbie here :)) |
| 14:56:02 | Torne | but in general it seems we do quite well |
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| 14:56:19 | Torne | we change a bunch of stuff on a daily basis, between the lot of us, and pretty much everything works most of the time |
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| 14:56:27 | Torne | :) |
| 14:56:37 | S_a_i_n_t | certainly...the wiki just led me to believe that testing was done cross-target for everything...but now i know :D |
| 14:56:52 | gevaerts | how could it? |
| 14:57:02 | Torne | Well, anything that's testable on the simulator probably doesn't need much cross target testing anyway |
| 14:57:07 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: yes I did... and except the rockbox installation and the content shipped with the player, there is nothing on the internal storage... external storage ist not attached... i am using rockbox for a while now on some players and i am familiar with the basics |
| 14:57:15 | S_a_i_n_t | SIMS...shi, I don;t know. |
| 14:57:21 | gibbon_ | i don't mind you asking... ;) |
| 14:57:21 | Torne | and anything that's *not *testable on the simulator can only be tested on the players the dev has handy, and on any that he can get other people to test it on |
| 14:57:34 | S_a_i_n_t | blame the wiki, that's what I always do...hehe |
| 14:57:48 | Torne | there's a limit to how long you can sensibly wait for someone with an archos to be handy on here to test something they don't care about for you |
| 14:58:06 | Torne | at some point you have to just assume that, welll, it compiles, and it looks reasonable, and it works on all *your* targets, so hopefully you haven't broken someone else's. |
| 14:58:19 | Torne | :) |
| 14:58:55 | S_a_i_n_t | The more I think about it...withthe amount of commits/commiters, its *amazing* more stuff doesn't get broken really. |
| 14:59:16 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: no idea about your problem, but I have many files on the internal storage and successfully tried with and without a filles sdhc inserted |
| 14:59:24 | ThomasAH | s/filles/filled |
| 14:59:42 | gibbon_ | "thats why we are not shipping it" ... |
| 14:59:46 | gibbon_ | testing has to wait then |
| 14:59:49 | gibbon_ | thanks anyway |
| 14:59:51 | gibbon_ | :) |
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| 15:04:17 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: maybe try using it with OF for some moments first, perhaps some internals have to be initialized before Rockbox boots? |
| 15:04:44 | gibbon_ | maybe |
| 15:07:10 | gibbon_ | the flash access icon stays on |
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| 15:08:20 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: success? |
| 15:08:26 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: did you try more than once? I had the logo not disappear only once with the latest patches and I thought it was because I pressed the power button again too early |
| 15:08:40 | S_a_i_n_t | One moment...just finished the build...transfer now. |
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| 15:11:58 | gibbon_ | ThomasAH: many times |
| 15:12:22 | gibbon_ | not touching the device after turning it on |
| 15:12:51 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: you're a brilliant man....yes, success. |
| 15:13:02 | * | S_a_i_n_t bows down *very* low... |
| 15:13:21 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: it would be awesome if you could try reverting JdGordon's commit and look if you can load fonts 2-9 |
| 15:13:22 | ThomasAH | gibbon_: oh ... in that case I think it would be good to tell funman and FlynDice with some details about what might be different with your device |
| 15:14:20 | gibbon_ | I will, when they return |
| 15:14:27 | S_a_i_n_t | My skinb buffer wouldn;t alow it with this WPS...but I guess I could knock something up quickly... |
| 15:15:36 | kugel | my resizable skin buffer patch is supposed to fix that, although I haven't tested it with skins that are bigger than the current fixed buffer |
| 15:15:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm actually not sure how I'd fit 9 fonts on screen with a Nano :P |
| 15:16:55 | S_a_i_n_t | this WPS *barely* squeezes into the current buffer (with two additional fonts) |
| 15:19:31 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel....I can fit 7 fonts onscreen...without trying too hard as I would have needed to actually *think* about the viewports instead of guessing, is that suggestive enough to say that 9 would probably work also? |
| 15:19:46 | S_a_i_n_t | However, JdGordon's commit was supposed to be for remotes? |
| 15:19:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure about that. |
| 15:19:58 | kugel | no |
| 15:20:01 | kugel | and no |
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| 15:28:42 | kugel | interesting, font=9 isn't possible due to another reason actually :) |
| 15:29:05 | FlynDice | gibbon_: did you try disabling the caches on your clip+? |
| 15:29:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I was just getting to that...well, I was just going to say I don't seem to be able to get to font 9, but I'm SO tired it wouldn;t have surprised me if it was my mistake. |
| 15:30:13 | S_a_i_n_t | do we *really* need 11 possible fonts onscreen? |
| 15:30:22 | * | S_a_i_n_t thinks this is a little excessive. |
| 15:30:57 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: using a patch ThomasAH told me about (basically commenting out the enabling assembler lines), yes |
| 15:31:11 | gibbon_ | before that, the device would "*PANIC*" |
| 15:31:24 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: well, frotz requires a good 6 or 7 to be spec compliant :) |
| 15:31:34 | Torne | not that i've implemented font support for it yet |
| 15:31:43 | S_a_i_n_t | 6 or 7 isn't 11 :P |
| 15:31:57 | S_a_i_n_t | ...and that was my next point :P |
| 15:31:59 | Torne | more would be good ;) |
| 15:32:15 | Torne | the ideal is to be able to do all combinations of bold/italic/reverse/fixedwidth |
| 15:32:18 | FlynDice | gibbon_: is there anything else on the screen besides the rockbox logo when it boots? |
| 15:32:25 | Torne | so that's, er, 16 :) |
| 15:33:16 | S_a_i_n_t | but that needs a different multifont...as currently, its only one font per viewport...I'm assuming you'd want bold/italic/etc on the same line. |
| 15:33:17 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: yes... some fast scrolling text that i only get a glimpse on (it overwrites the rockbox logo)... |
| 15:33:53 | FlynDice | that |
| 15:33:58 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: after that, the logo is restored ... and i see besides the logo, the volume indicator (at -25), the Stop icon, time and a steady flash icon |
| 15:34:42 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: i've not actually looked, but I have been assuming this is a skin restriction |
| 15:34:53 | Torne | if the fonts are loaded in ram then a plugin can probably print whatever it wants wherever it wants |
| 15:34:56 | Torne | in any font. |
| 15:35:06 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: also the OLED will turn off after a few seconds and turns back on on keypress |
| 15:35:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *are* they loaded in ram though? |
| 15:35:48 | FlynDice | that's exactly what happens for me with the caches enabled. are you sure you have them disabled? |
| 15:36:30 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: i will recheck... |
| 15:36:50 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: how else would it work? :) |
| 15:37:05 | Torne | anyway, no, i haven't looked at it yet |
| 15:37:19 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: alright, found myself |
| 15:37:41 | S_a_i_n_t | you were lost? |
| 15:37:42 | * | FlynDice needs to leave now, back later. |
| 15:37:43 | S_a_i_n_t | :P |
| 15:37:51 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: see you |
| 15:38:29 | gevaerts | Torne: can't you do reverse with drawmodes? |
| 15:38:45 | Torne | gevaerts: yes |
| 15:38:54 | Torne | i forgot that ;) |
| 15:38:58 | Torne | i already do, in fact |
| 15:39:22 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: in fact, font 9 wasn't possible on any target |
| 15:39:28 | kugel | and JdGordon didn't fix anything |
| 15:39:51 | * | S_a_i_n_t assumes JdGordon won't like this fact... |
| 15:40:20 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: i used this (http://pastie.org/842273) patch to disable it... is that enough? |
| 15:41:33 | S_a_i_n_t | But I am glad I/you/w found this however...I'm just sorry I'm too tired to be of much use at the moment. Even knocking up a simple WPS is a major task right now...I'm SOO fucking tired, but can't sleep (as usual) |
| 15:41:57 | S_a_i_n_t | s/you/w/you/we/ |
| 15:42:25 | kugel | I think people reading the backlogs don't really care about how tired you are no matter of how often you repeat it |
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| 15:44:03 | S_a_i_n_t | in that case the same could be said for " JdGordon didn't fix anything"... |
| 15:44:24 | S_a_i_n_t | if once is enough for every statement. |
| 15:51:52 | gibbon_ | FlynDice: needed a make clean |
| 15:52:01 | gibbon_ | sorry for the fuzz |
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| 16:16:07 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r24983): Revert r24958. It didn't fix anything (in fact, the problem described didn't exist). Increase MAXFONTS by 1 to allow for remote screen targets to load ... |
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| 16:41:10 | rbert | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverBDM#Links here it says, that google cache is still working, but it's not! |
| 16:42:08 | rbert | perhaps someone with wiki write permission could change that... the following link is working: |
| 16:42:10 | rbert | http://web.archive.org/web/20040812130859/http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/psychology/493/bdm/bdm.htm |
| 16:43:57 | rbert | unfortunately all the images are gone |
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| 17:54:32 | gevaerts | kugel: I wouldn't use "Not a Bug" to close a task if it's been fixed in the latest revision |
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| 18:08:17 | kugel | gevaerts: what else? I was thinking the same, but neither seemed appropriate. apparently it was fixed by accident |
| 18:08:27 | gevaerts | out of date? |
| 18:10:00 | kugel | hm |
| 18:10:48 | gevaerts | I'd have chosen out of date or fixed I think |
| 18:12:18 | kugel | that works better indeed |
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| 18:20:19 | moos | kugel: about the bug report for quickscreen, I can confirm something is broken if you change one item. It cause a disc access and little freeze |
| 18:21:27 | kugel | ah, that might be the problem. I'm exclusively using flash targets :) |
| 18:22:00 | kugel | in that case, I tend to blame r24922 |
| 18:22:34 | moos | hehe :) |
| 18:29:22 | kugel | JdGordon: could I be right on that revision? (re: fs11071) |
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| 18:31:39 | JdGordon | not only do i have no idea what the hell you are talking about... im in a bad mood and just woke up |
| 18:41:34 | bluebrother | Tomis: the problem with your bootloader installation with rbutil is around line 522 in the log. Resolving the mountpoint should yield in a device node, which for some reason didn't work in your case. |
| 18:43:20 | bluebrother | your ipod definitely was a winpod? This issue could happen if the ipod is a winpod, and until recently that case wasn't handled, resulting in such a "could not open ipod" message. I've changed that a bit ago, but this change is not part of the latest release |
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| 18:44:09 | bluebrother | in any case you can always try to use a svn build which I provide at http://tinyurl.com/rbutil-dev The binaries are updated every now and then (the OS X one is still warm :) |
| 18:44:19 | kugel | JdGordon: as I noted, I'm talking about fs#11071 |
| 18:45:18 | tuma | Hi. I would like to know how to get debug information of data abort number (i.e. i would like to know where the data abort occurred in the code). Do you know if there is some howto/wiki page on this? |
| 18:46:58 | JdGordon | that fonts.h commit is really bloody stupid. that changes nothing, now non remote targets cant get to the id==10 font |
| 18:47:06 | kugel | tuma: grab the map file |
| 18:47:44 | tuma | kugel: oh, thanks.:) |
| 18:47:54 | kugel | it's created when compiling |
| 18:48:11 | kugel | JdGordon: they don't need to IIUC? |
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| 18:49:19 | tuma | kugel: the address of my data abort is not listed in map file :/ |
| 18:49:19 | kugel | only remote targets need id==10 |
| 18:49:48 | kugel | it's not surprising that the exact address isn't there |
| 18:49:53 | gevaerts | tuma: the map file won't have static functions. If you want those, you'll have to use objdump to disassemble the .elf file |
| 18:49:59 | kugel | you search for addresses which are near |
| 18:50:14 | tuma | okay |
| 18:50:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: please try testing the radio patch early this week... if it doesnt go in this weekend it wont go in for probably 6 weeks while my desktop is on a boat |
| 18:52:01 | JdGordon | kugel: of course it does, we allocate enough ram and everything for 11 fonts but never actually allow all 11 to be used?! |
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| 18:55:52 | tuma | arm-elf-objdump -d ? |
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| 18:57:21 | tuma | cd app |
| 18:57:24 | tuma | oops |
| 18:57:25 | tuma | :) |
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| 19:01:59 | tuma | ok I figured out that the bug I am facing is in buffering.o. That's not much, but enough to know that it might be too difficult for me to try to fix it (=>it's not in my code changes that are elsewhere) |
| 19:02:09 | tuma | is my conclusion right? |
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| 19:54:50 | saratoga | found the ffmpeg chat logs |
| 19:54:52 | saratoga | <Dark_Shikari> I'm telling you in 3 lines of code or so, you can eliminate all the mallocs |
| 19:55:00 | saratoga | i'm seriously LOLing at this guy |
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| 19:55:10 | saratoga | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel-irc/2010-February/000019.html |
| 19:55:55 | Bagder | there it is |
| 19:56:28 | saratoga | I think the underlying problem is that he assumes all computers have an MMU, which is not in fact the case |
| 19:56:45 | Bagder | he's not into embedded at all |
| 19:56:46 | saratoga | because if you assume ipods run desktop intel processors hes basically correct |
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| 19:57:18 | saratoga | its just that you kind of have to be retarded to make that assumption |
| 19:57:55 | Bagder | yeah, but the guys with the clues don't get anything said as that guys just does his own thing |
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| 19:59:36 | Bagder | and I don't like the attitude that we would do everything and bring it to them |
| 19:59:45 | Bagder | however we would do it |
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| 20:00:24 | Stephen__ | I've got all the default themes repackaged to go on the themes site and have images to include aswell. (colour targets only for the minute) is it ok to upload them ? i know it was said this might go ahead ? |
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| 20:29:14 | wodz | hello, where can I find explanation about LCD_PIXELFORMAT? From lcd.h I see this can be VERTICAL_PACKING, HORIZONTAL_PACKING, VERTICAL_INTERLEAVED, HORIZONTAL_INTERLEAVED, RGB565... |
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| 20:42:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Wow Stephen__! Good job! I was getting there... :P I got caught up with my own theme, thanks. |
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| 20:43:41 | domonoky | wodz: what explanation do you need ? |
| 20:44:40 | wodz | what is data order in framebuffer |
| 20:45:59 | JdGordon_ | Stephen__: go fix your clip theme for the e200 :) you can now make the rockbox title any colour you want |
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| 20:47:49 | Stephen__ | thankas JdGordon i should be uplaoding them tomorrow. is that a new fix you added ? |
| 20:47:58 | domonoky | wodz, depends on the target. i think VERTICAL and HORIZONTAL_PACKING is monchrome pixels (bits) packed vertically and horizontally into bytes. RGB565 is color focourse. |
| 20:48:07 | linuxstb | wodz: If we start with mono (1bpp) displays, vertical packing means that one byte stores a column of 8 vertical pixels. The next byte stores the next 8 vertical pixels etc. For greyscale (2bpp) LCDs, it would be a column of 4 pixels. |
| 20:48:09 | Stephen__ | i can also do the non colour ones tomorroe=w aswell. |
| 20:48:28 | domonoky | wodz: and the interleaved ones are probably greyscale, but i am not sure |
| 20:48:36 | JdGordon_ | I'm not sure who should be uploading the svn themes, or who to attribute them to |
| 20:48:46 | * | linuxstb doesn't know what the interleaved formats are - they must be new.... (relatively...) |
| 20:49:02 | S_a_i_n_t | an example of the syntax for the wiki for %Lt and %Li would be grand also... |
| 20:49:10 | S_a_i_n_t | I haven't managed to get it right yet |
| 20:49:43 | Stephen__ | the original aUTHORS ARE IN THE THEME CFG.'S AND I WAS GOING TOCREDIT THE, |
| 20:49:50 | Stephen__ | ooops caps |
| 20:50:01 | JdGordon_ | OK :) |
| 20:50:31 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: thanks... %Lt I can manage...but %Li is driving me insane :D |
| 20:50:32 | JdGordon_ | S_a_i_n_t: you drongo :) whats so hard about it? |
| 20:50:50 | S_a_i_n_t | oops, wrong ok :) |
| 20:51:25 | wodz | ok, but is this documented so I can read what means what exactly? |
| 20:51:47 | JdGordon_ | %?Li<no icon|1st icon|2nd icon|etc....|> |
| 20:51:51 | S_a_i_n_t | teru said he couldn't get 0 working as "no icon", and there seems to be a differing opinion of how %Li should be used. |
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| 20:52:21 | Stephen__ | JdGordon, re: my theme how do i change that ? |
| 20:52:21 | S_a_i_n_t | so....%Li<0 right up to 32>? |
| 20:52:48 | domonoky | wodz: probably only in code. |
| 20:52:52 | JdGordon_ | that might be a bug. no icon is actually -1 in the code but it depends hen thats incrememnted if it gets the right value or not... I did a bit of testing but maybe not enough |
| 20:53:24 | Stephen__ | nevermind got it in customwps |
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| 20:53:29 | JdGordon_ | Stephen__: pretty much you just need to setup a viewport for the title area and put %Lt there in the sbs |
| 20:53:29 | Stephen__ | now i just need to update my sim |
| 20:53:31 | linuxstb | wodz: What are you doing that requires you to understand the framebuffer formats? |
| 20:53:52 | Stephen__ | that'll be tomorrows fix too |
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| 20:54:37 | JdGordon_ | S_a_i_n_t: 0 to 33 apparently |
| 20:54:37 | wodz | I'am working on port to mpio HD200 and I don't quite understand why my lowlevel lcd code doesn't work |
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| 20:54:58 | linuxstb | wodz: Do you know the format your LCD uses? Is it colour? |
| 20:55:25 | wodz | it is geyscale |
| 20:55:48 | linuxstb | So 2-bits per pixel? |
| 20:55:52 | wodz | yes |
| 20:56:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha, and the line needs to include them all? I was thinking it was used just like %Lt, and it just showed the icon it would normally show if that was called (but now I know better), they way I *thought* it worked would be WAY easier though :P |
| 20:56:27 | wodz | it is the same driver chip as used in remote for iaudio m5/x5 |
| 20:56:28 | linuxstb | wodz: So what's wrong with your LCD driver? |
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| 20:57:02 | wodz | but m5/x5 uses serial interface and the one in hd200 uses 8bit parallel |
| 20:57:19 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Anyway...the syntax is a lot easier to understand if you wrote the code I imaging :P |
| 20:57:28 | S_a_i_n_t | *imagine |
| 20:57:31 | linuxstb | wodz: That's just the interface to the controller - I don't think that affects the pixel layout. |
| 20:57:45 | pixelma | bluebrother: the Rockbox Utility version you uploaded hangs if it actual has to encode voice (either trying to generate talk files or a voice file) |
| 20:58:16 | domonoky | wodz: can you write successfully to the lcd, without using the framebuffer ? (just set some pixels) |
| 20:58:33 | wodz | domonoky: yes |
| 20:58:39 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'm testing with my M5 which is found correctly |
| 20:59:14 | JdGordon_ | S_a_i_n_t: right now %Li is just the icon number, to properly use it you would have a very long line of %xd's with your icon set |
| 20:59:40 | wodz | linuxstb: yes this is just interface but needs different asm lowlevel subroutine |
| 20:59:45 | JdGordon_ | there is no tag right now to display the inbuilt/loaded icon |
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| 21:00:57 | pixelma | bluebrother: I have to kill the program, so I don't know whether there is a log or not |
| 21:01:06 | S_a_i_n_t | aha...so I had it wrong again....(thanks) %Li<%Xd0|%Xd1|etc.|etc...>? |
| 21:01:28 | S_a_i_n_t | *please let this be right* :P |
| 21:02:07 | JdGordon_ | yes |
| 21:02:10 | pixelma | what's weird too is that RbUtil opens the "VoiceOver Utility" setup if it starts generating a voice file. I can close it but it'll be reopened |
| 21:02:19 | S_a_i_n_t | \0/ |
| 21:02:27 | S_a_i_n_t | it only took 2 days! |
| 21:03:13 | JdGordon_ | except the first item is the "dont show an icon" icon |
| 21:04:09 | domonoky | pixelma: is voiceover working on this mac ? |
| 21:04:38 | linuxstb | wodz: So what's the problem? i.e. how does the display look currently? When you write data to the LCD directly, how does that look? e.g. is one byte of data drawing 4 pixels horizontally? Or vertically, or something else? |
| 21:10:49 | pixelma | domonoky: yes |
| 21:11:41 | amiconn | linuxstb, wodz: horizontal interleaved doesn't exist on any target. It is defined for completeness |
| 21:12:52 | amiconn | Vertical interleaved is for the iaudio remotes (2bpp). It means that a pair of bytes contains 8 pixels, vertically packed, with the first byte containing the lsb of each pixel, and the second byte containing the msb of each pixel |
| 21:13:37 | wodz | yes, exactly |
| 21:15:03 | wodz | amiconn: thx for strict explanation |
| 21:15:15 | amiconn | So that's the format you need |
| 21:16:52 | wodz | thanks I will try this tomorow |
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| 21:17:56 | amiconn | Does your lowlevel code not work at all, or do you get a garbled display? |
| 21:18:27 | wodz | I get garbage |
| 21:18:47 | amiconn | It may be that you need to set the update direction differently. Also note that the iaudio remotes have a gap in the controler->panel wiring |
| 21:19:13 | wodz | I know (it is in comments) |
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| 21:19:56 | pixelma | bluebrother, domonoky: no I found something in the console saying "screenreaderd crashed" - related? VoiceOver speaks to me though |
| 21:19:58 | Stephen__ | domonoky, can you delete a theme of mine please ? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=431&target=sansae200v2 |
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| 21:20:08 | Stephen__ | theres better versions there |
| 21:21:33 | domonoky | done |
| 21:21:40 | Stephen__ | thanks |
| 21:22:01 | wodz | amiconn: another question, why in asm subroutines some registers are saved and some not? Is there some general rule that for example %d0 and %a0 are temporary and can be clobbered? |
| 21:22:31 | amiconn | %a0/%a1/%d0/%d1 are scratch registers |
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| 21:22:48 | wodz | ok great |
| 21:23:08 | amiconn | That means a function can use them freely - the caller cannot assume they'll survive the call |
| 21:23:33 | wodz | yes I understand |
| 21:25:26 | wodz | Ok, have a nice chat, bye |
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| 21:31:43 | pixelma | domonoky, bluebrother: there isn't much read out when using the Utility either. If I'm lucky then it announces window title and that there are x number of unknown items |
| 21:32:03 | pixelma | I mean the Rockbox Utility ;) |
| 21:33:27 | pixelma | none of the tabs are voiced |
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| 21:33:59 | * | pixelma goes home now though |
| 21:39:42 | bluebrother | pixelma: too bad. Can you / have you saved the output of the System Info dialog? Do you know which version of 10.4 that mac is running? Perhaps I'm using some API stuff that needs 10.4.something |
| 21:41:08 | * | bluebrother finds out that the "show disabled targets" checkbox isn't working properly :( |
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| 21:43:11 | JdGordon_ | should we really worry about supporting 10.4? |
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| 21:43:57 | JdGordon_ | (and if you wait 2 weeks I can setup an intel mac with 10.4 10.5 and 10.6 for any mac testing needs) |
| 21:44:22 | bluebrother | well, that's a good question. Until now it wasn't that much of a problem, though. |
| 21:45:23 | bluebrother | more tests on OS X would be great :) |
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| 21:58:02 | CIA-5 | New commit by bertrik (r24984): Sansa c200: allow 16 steps of backlight brightness (just like the OF) |
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| 22:03:04 | bluebrother | hmm, thinking about it it could also be very well some issue caused by the different endianess, assuming the 10.4 machine is ppc |
| 22:04:12 | * | bluebrother spots he fooled himself with the disabled targets. It *does* work correctly unless one expects a non-disabled target to disappear :o |
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| 22:05:51 | pixelma | bluebrother: it's MacOS 10.4.11 - haven't saved anything else |
| 22:06:09 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: PLEASE can you test FS #10853 on hwcodec+radio? |
| 22:06:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: and yes, a PPC |
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| 22:08:39 | bluebrother | pixelma: the bad thing is that I guess there isn't much I can do about it until someone can run it in a debugger and figure where exactly it crashes. :( |
| 22:09:30 | bluebrother | hmm, 10.4.11 is the latest update of tiger. So it shouldn't be an API issue, as I'm building against the 10.4u SDK. |
| 22:10:05 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r24985): Make titles proper subsections; remove 'newpage' as it's not a good style; remove 'table' environment as well since the tables are not floating |
| 22:10:45 | Stephen__ | is it possible to make a sim without plugins ? |
| 22:10:48 | pixelma | I have a crash log of the "screenreaderd" crash that was related to RbUtil (no other programs caused it and the timestamps were correct) - not sure it helps any, lots of info but |
| 22:11:12 | kugel | Stephen__: sure |
| 22:11:21 | kugel | make bin && make codecs |
| 22:11:22 | pixelma | bluebrother: not very descriptive (in my eyes) |
| 22:11:34 | Stephen__ | can i do that in cygwin ? |
| 22:12:18 | bluebrother | pixelma: no idea, but if you have it around I could take a look −− perhaps it has some hints |
| 22:12:46 | kugel | Stephen__: I'd think so |
| 22:12:56 | Stephen__ | sure i'll give it a try |
| 22:13:00 | Stephen__ | thanks kugel |
| 22:14:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes, I took it with me |
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| 22:23:30 | JdGordon_ | kugel: I've mellowed out a bit.. yes if that rev is the one which goes back to the origional settings_apply() then that makes sense for the slow quickscreen exit |
| 22:24:21 | JdGordon_ | chaning it back to having a block which isnt applied at QS exit probably isnt a great fix though |
| 22:27:28 | moos | the QS didn't use to need disk access before... |
| 22:27:59 | JdGordon_ | indirectly it didnt |
| 22:28:30 | JdGordon_ | there used to be a block of settings which hit the disk which could be told to not apply (which was part of the problem with the boot splashes not being localised) |
| 22:28:38 | JdGordon_ | I removed that which caused the QS to hit the disk on exit |
| 22:29:04 | moos | oh ok |
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| 22:30:32 | * | moos promises to try to have some boot stats compare for you btw |
| 22:30:41 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r24986): langstat: Output date of the latest and oldest language update. |
| 22:31:04 | moos | JdGordon: (I saw that you will be off a while) |
| 22:31:51 | JdGordon_ | I'll be around, just my desktop wont be, and developing on my laptops isnt very fun |
| 22:32:32 | JdGordon_ | or I might decide enough is enough and bugger off :) |
| 22:32:46 | moos | I saw your urgence about the radio patch |
| 22:32:52 | moos | :) |
| 22:38:56 | p3tur | what's the state of recording on gigabeat s? |
| 22:43:22 | bluebrother | p3tur: I can enter the recording screen and see the level meters :) |
| 22:43:24 | AlexP | JdGordon_: I'm getting a segfault on the H120 sim when trying to go into the radio screen (with the patch). SVN seems OK |
| 22:44:11 | p3tur | bluebrother: I was wondering why AGC isn't enabled on it. Does it have big gain steps? |
| 22:44:57 | pixelma | AlexP: finally a hint that I'm not imagining it |
| 22:45:11 | AlexP | You see that too? |
| 22:45:50 | pixelma | well, I had trouble on target (M5 and OndioFM), M5 should be quite similar to H100 |
| 22:46:24 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: oh bugger :p |
| 22:47:13 | bluebrother | p3tur: gain steps are .5dB |
| 22:47:25 | JdGordon_ | sounds like I need to get my h300 up and runnning again then |
| 22:47:50 | p3tur | bluebrother: thanks... should be enough to enable AGC then :) |
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| 22:50:23 | planetbeing | Do any rockbox targets have touchscreens? Is a "pointer" type input supported? |
| 22:50:45 | AlexP | JdGordon_: It might be the multi screen? |
| 22:51:03 | JdGordon_ | planetbeing: yes and yes |
| 22:51:36 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: have you got gdb? |
| 22:52:14 | AlexP | JdGordon_: yep |
| 22:52:36 | JdGordon_ | can you run it and then pastebin bt when it crashes? |
| 22:52:41 | AlexP | sure |
| 22:52:45 | * | JdGordon_ runs to grab an icescream |
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| 22:56:00 | AlexP | JdGordon_: http://pastebin.com/LuPeRb5J |
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| 22:57:24 | JdGordon_ | ok that is interesting |
| 22:57:43 | JdGordon_ | whats the fms? |
| 22:58:03 | AlexP | One of mine - I can get rid of it and try if you like |
| 22:58:21 | JdGordon_ | actually, can you rebuild so the source matches the binary please? |
| 22:58:41 | JdGordon_ | its in code which shouldnt be hit on swcodec |
| 22:59:17 | AlexP | Sure, although it does - I guess that error comes from using git and switching branches away then back to the build one |
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| 22:59:24 | AlexP | I'll rebuild anyway to be sure :) |
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| 23:02:33 | AlexP | JdGordon_: http://pastebin.com/GCqCjb4r |
| 23:02:58 | JdGordon_ | tyhats the same :p |
| 23:03:02 | AlexP | yes :) |
| 23:03:03 | JdGordon_ | bt |
| 23:03:34 | JdGordon_ | and "p gwps->data" please |
| 23:03:50 | JdGordon_ | sorry.. p gwps[i].data |
| 23:03:52 | JdGordon_ | and p i |
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| 23:04:38 | AlexP | At this point now? |
| 23:04:47 | JdGordon_ | yes |
| 23:04:59 | AlexP | http://pastebin.com/Qeb3KhDk |
| 23:05:41 | JdGordon_ | ta |
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| 23:06:35 | JdGordon_ | bloody hell :p bad sync again I tihnk |
| 23:06:42 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 23:07:21 | JdGordon_ | this is why I dont like patches sitting around for ages :( every sync is a potential fuck up |
| 23:10:21 | JdGordon_ | AlexP: can you put http://pastebin.com/gDzrKEf3 into apps/gui/theme_settings.c after gui_sync_wps_init() please? |
| 23:10:45 | AlexP | yep |
| 23:11:02 | JdGordon_ | that might fix it, if not then I cant do much more untill i get home |
| 23:11:52 | AlexP | OK, cheers |
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| 23:16:14 | AlexP | JdGordon_: um, it now segfaults on running the sim :) |
| 23:17:09 | JdGordon_ | bah, ok leave it, I'll play this arvo |
| 23:17:24 | AlexP | cheers :) |
| 23:17:25 | JdGordon_ | sorry. I'll investigate this afternoon |
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| 23:22:32 | pixelma | JdGordon_: I think would really help if you versioned your patches by the way |
| 23:22:41 | pixelma | +it |
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| 23:24:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by b0hoon (r24987): Packard Bell Vibe 500: clean up the power off, enable poweroff while charging. |
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| 23:37:15 | p3tur | hmmm why isn't my buildclient producing builds anymore? It says a new round is started but doesn't get builds assigned |
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| 23:45:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r24988): Refactor device tree setup a bit. ... |
| 23:45:52 | p3tur | ah, a restart helped |
| 23:47:50 | pixelma | bluebrother: I could also test on an Intel Mac running 10.4.11 |
| 23:48:05 | pixelma | would that be helpful? |
| 23:50:07 | bluebrother | pixelma: sure, in case it's an endian issue it should show up pretty clearly |
| 23:51:05 | pixelma | alright I'll see what I can do tomorrow |
| 23:55:33 | pixelma | does RbUtil take the features info from the target's rockbox-info if I chose "generate voice file"? I'm curious how it deals with non-standard builds (modded devices) |
| 23:57:31 | bluebrother | yes, from my knowledge it does. Should work fine as it uses the Features: line and sends that to the server for getting the strings |
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