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| 00:01:43 | amiconn | Unhelpful: ping |
| 00:04:25 | gibbon_ | discharge measuring is still fine after 2hrs on sansa clip+ |
| 00:05:37 | CIA-5 | New commit by peter (r25012): Enable recording histogram for h100 |
| 00:05:59 | kugel | wtf, why is audio.h in firmware/ ? the implementations are in apps/ |
| 00:06:33 | kugel | petur: any target could use that histogram, right? |
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| 00:10:19 | JdGordon_ | kugel: skin resizing... its blocking fms so I want it in soon... are you ok with me taking it over this evening? is there anything other than my comments which need to be done? |
| 00:10:46 | kugel | it needs more testing |
| 00:11:01 | kugel | for example I'm not sure what happens with themes that exceed the todays limit |
| 00:11:09 | kugel | it's possible that they still fail to load |
| 00:11:16 | p3tur | kugel: if the screen is big enough |
| 00:11:28 | JdGordon_ | kugel: "todays limit"? |
| 00:11:39 | kugel | the limit in svn |
| 00:12:25 | JdGordon_ | doesnt the patch completly ignore that now? or do you mean what happens on boot when the size is unknown? |
| 00:13:06 | kugel | yea |
| 00:13:47 | JdGordon_ | ok, it should do a 2pass scan if it fails |
| 00:14:03 | JdGordon_ | or just use a MASSIVE buffer, like 1MB(!) |
| 00:14:31 | kugel | the first sounds better |
| 00:14:53 | kugel | some targets don't even have 1MB to play with |
| 00:15:03 | JdGordon_ | that will make boot very slow, but as long as cabbie will always fit its not a big deal |
| 00:15:15 | JdGordon_ | the targets that dont, dont need a 1mb skin buffer |
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| 00:15:38 | kugel | it would only make boot slower if the theme doesn't fit, and you would need to reboot then anyway |
| 00:17:32 | kugel | we could do both, increase the default buffer to decrease the likelyhood of failure but still reboot on failure |
| 00:17:45 | JdGordon_ | yeah |
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| 00:19:24 | JdGordon_ | actually.. it should always do a 2 pass on boot if the size is unknown |
| 00:20:19 | JdGordon_ | hmm.. another reason to put the size in the .cfg... what happens when nvram.bin exsists and has the size, but then you manually change the files in the config.cfg on your pc? |
| 00:20:24 | JdGordon_ | reboot and the size will be wrong |
| 00:20:36 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25013): FS #10756 - Free unused init code ... |
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| 00:21:24 | kugel | and how does having it in the .cfg help? |
| 00:21:30 | kugel | I don't want that |
| 00:23:02 | JdGordon_ | its easier to outright remove in that case |
| 00:23:13 | kugel | it could only be written into the .cfg by rockbox on the target. most themes are developed on the sim for targets people don't even own. it will just be wrong |
| 00:23:45 | kugel | besides, most people don't use the "write theme settings" feature in which case it wouldn't be in the cfg |
| 00:24:27 | Llorean | If you're talking nvram.bin, aren't you talking config.cfg rather than the theme config? |
| 00:24:31 | JdGordon_ | right, it shuoldnt be added by anything except the skin loader, but it shuold be easily clearable |
| 00:25:02 | kugel | what do you mean by clearing? |
| 00:25:52 | amiconn | Such values should never be stored in the .fg |
| 00:25:55 | amiconn | Err .cfg |
| 00:26:11 | amiconn | And there's no reason to clear it. Ever. |
| 00:26:39 | amiconn | Just always calculate how much buffer you need as you go, then store it in nvram |
| 00:26:51 | amiconn | On next boot the size will be optimal |
| 00:26:55 | kugel | that's what I do right now |
| 00:27:21 | kugel | there's the possibility though that nvram.bin is wrong, if the .cfg is changed on the pc |
| 00:27:40 | amiconn | Yeah, but where's the problem? |
| 00:27:49 | kugel | it's not handled right now :) |
| 00:28:01 | kugel | if the at boot skin loading handles that we have no problem. I don't see why it needs clearing either |
| 00:28:22 | amiconn | It can't be handled if you have it in the .cfg either |
| 00:28:27 | JdGordon_ | if/when the .cfg is manually changed |
| 00:28:31 | JdGordon_ | maybe its not a big deal |
| 00:28:36 | amiconn | If you need more buffer than currently allocated, you need to reboot |
| 00:29:02 | JdGordon_ | the problem is when it thinks it needs X bytes but actually needs X+y |
| 00:29:09 | amiconn | But if it's in the .cfg, you create a nasty problem for people backing up config |
| 00:29:35 | amiconn | +files |
| 00:30:41 | JdGordon_ | ok, ok, I give up :) then the skin loading at boot needs to be made safer |
| 00:31:22 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25014): Fix reds. Don't use the init section in the bootloader. It's not useful there anyway. |
| 00:32:19 | kugel | ah, my bad |
| 00:33:16 | kugel | I wonder why portalplayer doesn't use a single app.lds |
| 00:33:41 | JdGordon_ | ah... sb_skin_init() cant be in INNIT_ATTR i think... |
| 00:33:57 | JdGordon_ | isnt that called in settings_apply_skins()? |
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| 00:34:45 | kugel | JdGordon: yea, but that call is useless |
| 00:35:24 | JdGordon_ | wont that cause a data abort if you try calling it when it doesnt exist anymore? |
| 00:35:41 | kugel | yes |
| 00:35:46 | kugel | the call should be removed |
| 00:35:52 | kugel | as well as the gui_sync_wps_init() one |
| 00:36:42 | kugel | it just sets up the pointer to the structs. the albumart part is also done in skin_data_reset() |
| 00:36:43 | * | amiconn thinks that init section stuff is dangerous |
| 00:37:03 | amiconn | Hmm, and rom execution needs special care as well |
| 00:37:44 | kugel | can I merge the various app.lds of PP? |
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| 00:38:38 | kugel | JdGordon_: when I made this patch they were only called once in main.c |
| 00:38:48 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25015): Don't call this two, it's uneeded (and would crash since they're INIT_ATTR). |
| 00:40:17 | * | amiconn thinks it's too dangerous |
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| 00:41:45 | kugel | I don't see how it's dangerious |
| 00:42:17 | JdGordon_ | if those init funcs ever need to be changed it will cause problems |
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| 00:42:56 | amiconn | You're potentially calling functions which no longer exist |
| 00:43:39 | amiconn | I can think of some attribute tricks which may make it a little safer, but I can't say I like this trick |
| 00:44:23 | kugel | potentially? I determine whether those functions are called again |
| 00:44:56 | amiconn | Yes, but you get *no warning* if you're calling them |
| 00:45:04 | JdGordon_ | right, but in 6 months when those init functoins change meaning and someone forgets to remove that INIT_ATTR |
| 00:45:04 | kugel | merging the app.lds files doesn't work with our build system |
| 00:46:52 | amiconn | It might be possible to make in throw a warning |
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| 00:48:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25016): Fix remaining reds. I forgot to change the app.lds of the other PP targets (it's the same file as for e200/c200 though). |
| 00:49:58 | kugel | hm, what the heck |
| 00:50:50 | amiconn | You could make INIT_ATTR include __attribute__((deprecated)) by default, and redefine it in main.c to not include that attribute |
| 00:51:21 | amiconn | This would make gcc throw a warning about the function being deprecated when trying to call it from anywhere else than main.c |
| 00:51:27 | amiconn | Still not very nice though :\ |
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| 00:52:37 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25017): Really fix bootloaders now. |
| 00:53:20 | kugel | amiconn: that doesn't work for init functions that are not called from main, but from other init functions |
| 00:53:43 | kugel | like the one in thread.c |
| 00:54:15 | amiconn | ew |
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| 00:56:03 | funman | do you know the real name of ranmachan ? |
| 00:56:22 | kugel | I don't |
| 00:56:58 | funman | I found with his wiki name |
| 00:57:55 | kugel | hm, any idea on the ipodvideo64mb red? |
| 00:58:33 | funman | -mlong-calls ? |
| 00:58:49 | kugel | ah, right |
| 00:59:21 | kugel | wasn't the short call range 64MB? |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:31 | funman | it should use -mlong-calls already except when using eabi |
| 01:00:41 | kugel | yea, but that's for c code |
| 01:00:52 | kugel | crt0.S does bl main, which is always a short call |
| 01:00:56 | TheSeven | kugel: it's +-32MB |
| 01:01:06 | kugel | oh |
| 01:02:12 | TheSeven | any volunteers for porting uclpack to arm? |
| 01:02:23 | TheSeven | i need that on-target... |
| 01:02:28 | amiconn | Why would you want to pack on target? |
| 01:02:54 | * | amiconn thinks r25013 and follow-ups should be reverted |
| 01:03:23 | amiconn | Even though having this space back would be nice... but the concept is too shaky imo |
| 01:03:50 | kugel | well, discuss it on the ml |
| 01:04:17 | kugel | mcuelenaere wanted it as well |
| 01:04:33 | kugel | it's the same concept the linux kernel uses. I don't see anything wrong with it |
| 01:04:39 | TheSeven | amiconn: for an easy installation process |
| 01:04:57 | funman | TheSeven: what would you compress? |
| 01:05:11 | amiconn | Hmm, so it's one-time. Why not just compile the C code then? |
| 01:05:12 | TheSeven | disk mode and diag mode images for an ipod |
| 01:05:36 | Unhelpful | amiconn: what's up? :) |
| 01:05:59 | amiconn | Unhelpful: I did experiments wrt PP5020, iram, and cache |
| 01:06:03 | TheSeven | amiconn: I will try to do that, but I'll need to remove all those operating system dependencies (malloc, file i/o, ...) |
| 01:06:18 | amiconn | My theory holds - but it means the table based division is sub-optimal on PP5020 |
| 01:06:39 | amiconn | The code should be in dram, and only the table in iram for best performance |
| 01:07:07 | amiconn | This requires differentiation between PP5020 and the rest - PP5020 can't use adr here but must use ldr |
| 01:07:44 | amiconn | Do you have some clever idea how to do this in the .S without too much ifdefing? |
| 01:08:07 | JdGordon_ | kugel: you didnt answer before, do you mind if I take over that patch (and leave the number in nvram) |
| 01:08:20 | amiconn | So far I managed to push -c1000 performance on PP5020 from 153.1% to 159,5% realtime |
| 01:08:22 | Unhelpful | the best idea i can think of is to ifdef around the ldr, and ifdef at the table head (to have it put in iram)? |
| 01:08:24 | JdGordon_ | assuming i actually have time tonight.tomorow |
| 01:08:32 | amiconn | With that divider change it's 161.0% realtime |
| 01:08:56 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25018): mkamsboot/dualboot: make the unused vectors be infinite loops ... |
| 01:09:10 | Unhelpful | or, actually... this might mesh well with something else i wanted to do. ;) |
| 01:09:12 | amiconn | (not committed yet - need to redefine some iram attributes for this) |
| 01:09:50 | kugel | err, how do I fix the ipod red? |
| 01:10:06 | TheSeven | make it be a long call |
| 01:10:07 | amiconn | With that change, iram is *only* used for the reciprocal table and the sample buffers - everything else is faster when located in dram on PP5020 |
| 01:10:12 | JdGordon_ | hmm... why is the m5/h100/ipod 1,2,3,4g theme sites all showing colour themes? |
| 01:10:21 | kugel | I thought ldr r3, =main mov pc, r3 but it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:10:26 | Unhelpful | i was thinking about how to make the table size dynamic at runtime. the easiest way would be to have patch the compare in the function and copy an appropriately-sized table from dram to iram on init. |
| 01:10:45 | Unhelpful | kugel: why not ldr pc, =main ? |
| 01:11:19 | Unhelpful | s/be to have/be to/ :/ |
| 01:11:24 | kugel | I thought you can't load into pc directly. gcc doesn't seem to do it either |
| 01:11:42 | kugel | it doesn't work |
| 01:11:46 | kugel | same error still |
| 01:12:03 | kugel | I'm editing the wrong file :) |
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| 01:12:26 | TheSeven | ldr pc, =main should work |
| 01:13:05 | Unhelpful | kugel: sure you can, but gcc will avoid it if thumb interworking might be needed, because not *all* ARM versions will switch modes on writing a value to pc (if i recall correctly?) |
| 01:13:21 | Unhelpful | and i believe that's fixed later, too :) |
| 01:13:32 | kugel | but lr won't be set if I load into pc directly? |
| 01:13:44 | kugel | I mean, main doesn't return anyway but shouldn't it be set anyway? |
| 01:14:03 | Unhelpful | kugel: um, it won't be set by your code, either? |
| 01:14:24 | kugel | the current code does bl main, so it's set |
| 01:14:37 | Unhelpful | i meant your ldr, mov code. |
| 01:15:07 | kugel | yea, I added mov lr, pc in the meantime :) |
| 01:15:24 | TheSeven | you could do that before the ldr pc, ... as well |
| 01:15:28 | amiconn | Since main is noreturn you don't need to care about lr |
| 01:15:50 | Unhelpful | and i don't thinkit's really important that lr be set "correctly" on entering main. also be careful about placing the mov lr, pc - that needs to be immediately before the instruction that modifies pc. |
| 01:16:40 | Unhelpful | mov lr, pc; ldr r3, =addr; mov pc, r3; would be quite horribly broken. |
| 01:16:52 | TheSeven | ouch |
| 01:17:14 | TheSeven | that would probably end up in a prefetch abort or undefined instruction vector ;-) |
| 01:18:13 | TheSeven | or even an infinite loop calling "addr" if the code in there doesn't kill r3 |
| 01:18:16 | funman | why? wouldn't it infinite loop? |
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| 01:20:41 | gibbon_ | clip+ discharge measurement is still normal and linear after 3.5hrs |
| 01:21:50 | kugel | hm, I'm not sure if the address of cop_main is correct |
| 01:22:18 | funman | gibbon_: nice, so it only needs calibration |
| 01:22:25 | gibbon_ | funman: sure |
| 01:23:18 | gibbon_ | its currently nearly exactly 0.1V per hour |
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| 01:24:29 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25019): Fix ipodvideo64mb by making the branch to main a long call. |
| 01:24:32 | gibbon_ | in the source i read about pro forma shutdown and critical trippoints around 3.4V... |
| 01:24:45 | gibbon_ | i wonder, if they affect calibration |
| 01:25:16 | funman | when storage writes work we could disable shutdown and run battery bench, so we can see when it's out of juice |
| 01:25:31 | gibbon_ | but i guess discharging beyond that would harm the battery? |
| 01:26:28 | gibbon_ | do you know about a low voltage shutdown by the charging circuit? does the device protect its battery from deep draining? (or whatever it is called) |
| 01:26:42 | kugel | funman: samsa wasted a bit of ram, because the stack was linked to after the iram code (which is copied to iram, and then useless) |
| 01:26:46 | funman | gibbon_: i have no idea |
| 01:27:13 | funman | kugel: nice to know it's solved |
| 01:28:15 | gibbon_ | funman: so that test could possibly harm the device. perhaps a sane tripoint should be chosen to improve battery lifetime, but i guess there is a sane "default" for li-ion types |
| 01:29:17 | TheSeven | erm, *PANIC* FTL: Trying to read out-of-bounts vPage 33553920 |
| 01:29:32 | funman | gibbon_: or we could let the Clip+ discharge from the OF, and then boot rockbox to see the voltage |
| 01:29:50 | gibbon_ | funman: thats an even better idea |
| 01:29:56 | TheSeven | that's page 0 of vBlock 0xffff... how did that get in there? |
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| 01:30:31 | funman | Clipv1 OF runtime playing radio: 8h24 and counting, battery almost flat (compared to rockbox: 7h40) |
| 01:31:08 | gibbon_ | i could try that at work |
| 01:31:45 | TheSeven | yeah, it *didn't* break the FTL this time! |
| 01:32:02 | gibbon_ | at least on this device, no vendor boot code prevents the rockbox loader to start up on a "flat" battery |
| 01:32:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I had 3 boots in a row end in "restore using itunes" with 25003 last night... :/ |
| 01:32:40 | S_a_i_n_t | *Nano2g |
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| 01:34:27 | gibbon_ | funman: the clip+ gets quite warm, if one adjusts the boost counter to 1 and waits |
| 01:35:28 | gibbon_ | but its time to get some sleep |
| 01:35:34 | gibbon_ | see you tomorrow |
| 01:35:55 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: it's a matter of the bootloader, not of the rockbox revision |
| 01:36:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...well, nano2g bootloader hasn't been updated in yonks....no? |
| 01:36:42 | S_a_i_n_t | yet its never been *that* bad before. |
| 01:36:46 | TheSeven | the apple bootloader will trash the whole ftl if there are minor inconsistencies |
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| 01:37:48 | funman | gibbon_: i disabled the boost counter for now |
| 01:38:12 | S_a_i_n_t | sisnce I can't get crypt _firmware working...I've just been using ipodpatcher with embedded bootloaders. |
| 01:38:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *for the nano2g that is. |
| 01:38:56 | kugel | warm when boosted? after the change we're constantly boosted, aren't we? |
| 01:38:57 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: the rockbox bootloader is just being called by the apple bootloader, so the FTL is already trashed at this point |
| 01:39:13 | TheSeven | you need to replace the 2nd stage loader to fix that |
| 01:39:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...any idea why it would happen 3 times in a row, and then be "sweet" (fingers crossed)? |
| 01:39:53 | TheSeven | (the rockbox bootloader is usually the 3rd stage) |
| 01:40:13 | TheSeven | what did you do during these 3 boots? |
| 01:40:22 | S_a_i_n_t | turned the ipod on. |
| 01:40:36 | S_a_i_n_t | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 01:40:56 | funman | kugel: no we use fastbus afaiu |
| 01:41:21 | S_a_i_n_t | boot - apple loading screen - rb splash fr 2 seconds or so - black screen freeze - reboot - restore using itunes. |
| 01:42:00 | kugel | it depends on system_init() probably, but for all other targets removing that define actually means removing *un*boosting |
| 01:42:12 | TheSeven | a black screen freeze during rockbox boot with a fresh installation? |
| 01:42:17 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
| 01:42:21 | TheSeven | that really shouldn't happen |
| 01:42:27 | S_a_i_n_t | I figured. |
| 01:42:30 | TheSeven | and after 3 tries that problem just went away? |
| 01:42:33 | S_a_i_n_t | that's why I mentioned it. |
| 01:42:41 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, seems fine now. |
| 01:42:55 | S_a_i_n_t | 4th time lucky? :/ |
| 01:42:55 | * | TheSeven fears that r24999 might have broken something... |
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| 01:46:15 | TheSeven | hm, i looked at it again, and i can't imagine that this one would introduce a bug |
| 01:46:22 | * | S_a_i_n_t has no idea what broke what...but it *seems* to be OK now. I just doubted (though some may not :P ) my ability to make the same mistake 3 times in a row. |
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| 01:48:16 | rbnoob | hi all- little help for a hapless noob? 30g ipod video is hanging on "do not disconnect" screen after successful complete install via rbutil. what to do? |
| 01:48:43 | funman | rbnoob: if you ejected/unmounted from the operating system just unplug |
| 01:49:00 | kugel | JdGordon|: you want the resizer patch in today? |
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| 01:49:35 | rbnoob | hi all- little help for a hapless noob? 30g ipod video is hanging on "do not disconnect" screen after successful complete install via rbutil. what to do? |
| 01:49:40 | * | S_a_i_n_t is pushing the skin buffer *reallly* close...so votes for "yes" |
| 01:49:46 | rbnoob | no, won't eject |
| 01:49:48 | JdGordon| | I'd love it in soon |
| 01:54:50 | TheSeven | rbnoob: which os? you unmounted it? |
| 01:55:02 | TheSeven | if it's some unix just run "sync" and unplug it, no matter what it says |
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| 01:55:51 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: My crash was caused by a nandfsck bug |
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| 02:04:45 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25021): Don't forget to initialize the wps. |
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| 02:18:07 | Ironclad | I have rockbox on my ipod video 30gig and whenever I turn it on its on the ready to record screen, is there anyway to stop this? |
| 02:18:57 | JdGordon | change the start screen option |
| 02:19:53 | Ironclad | Oh my god its that simple? thank you! |
| 02:23:04 | Ironclad | What does changing the battery capacity do? Is that for someone whose changed the actual battery itself? |
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| 02:24:59 | perfectdrug | Ironclad: yes, and please read the fine manual |
| 02:25:24 | Ironclad | Fine :( and thanks again |
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| 02:33:37 | perfectdrug | looking at the manual, under general settings the screenshot seems to be outdated, there is "Playback Settings" at the top, which is not under general settings anymore, should I file a bugreport or should I try to make a patch with updated screenshots? (which takes longer) |
| 02:34:26 | perfectdrug | what is the command to take screenshots in the simulator? |
| 02:35:01 | JdGordon | f5 or numpad 0 will take screenshots |
| 02:35:10 | JdGordon | please create the required screenshots :) |
| 02:36:06 | perfectdrug | is there somewhere a list which targets share the same display resolution? |
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| 02:36:46 | JdGordon | DeviceChart on the wiki |
| 02:36:54 | perfectdrug | ok thanks |
| 02:37:09 | kugel | $1 = 0x2f414242412f6b69 <Address 0x2f414242412f6b69 out of bounds> :( |
| 02:37:29 | kugel | I don't understand why get_token_value returns this from time to time |
| 02:37:46 | JdGordon | which token? |
| 02:38:06 | kugel | no idea |
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| 02:40:20 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: I also had a very high number of unclean shutdowns today (like 20 of them), that actually were *clean* shutdowns |
| 02:40:30 | TheSeven | no matter whether i use disk mode or rockbox |
| 02:40:46 | * | TheSeven wonders what is causing that |
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| 02:56:40 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Oddly, my nano2g just barfed the FW again...and I just got a text at almost exactly the same time saying that the GF's 2g is borked again also... |
| 02:56:52 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders why this is happening all of a sudden. |
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| 03:02:11 | kugel | strange, this crash only happens when I play from the filebrowser. if I simply resume playback it runs fine |
| 03:02:43 | kugel | JdGordon: WPS_TOKEN_STRING |
| 03:02:54 | kugel | the data pointer is apparently trashed. at parsing all pointers are fine |
| 03:21:53 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders if any Nano 1st/2nd Gen owners are in a "Theme Testing" mood or not....? |
| 03:22:13 | S_a_i_n_t | if it helps, it's the best Nano theme *EVER* :P |
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| 03:30:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Can a theme site admin please look at taking down "Radiance Visual" from the Nano 1/2g pages? It's a re-run of a theme authored by myself that was taken down a while ago (and rightfully so) due to copyright issues. |
| 03:30:16 | S_a_i_n_t | I made it when I had no idea of licensing etc. |
| 03:30:50 | S_a_i_n_t | oh...that seem sworded oddly, the original theme was mine...this one isn't. |
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| 03:50:27 | JdGordon | kugel: arg, howd you manage that? |
| 03:51:05 | * | JdGordon will be back in an hour or so |
| 03:51:13 | JdGordon | put the theme online and ill have a looky |
| 03:58:29 | S_a_i_n_t | was that directed at me? |
| 03:59:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...oops. /me guesses not. |
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| 04:03:16 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't find any documentation on it other than an old-ish email from the mailing lists but, am I right in guessing that putting %Sx|'engligh lang entry'| in a WPS will translate the entry to the user selected language? |
| 04:04:12 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. %Sx|Now Playing:| |
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| 04:05:42 | S_a_i_n_t | and (if so) does it matter if its %Sx|Now Playing:| or does it have to be %Sx|Now Playing| to translate correctly? |
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| 04:34:03 | S333 | Hey all. Anyone use Rockbox on a Sansa Clip V1? Just wondering how cumbersome it is to use OF for loading files via USB. |
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| 04:36:16 | krazykit | S333, not cumbersome at all |
| 04:36:40 | S333 | krazykit: Does it just auto-swap to the OF when you plug in the USB cable? |
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| 04:37:35 | krazykit | yes |
| 04:37:45 | S333 | How long does it take? |
| 04:38:07 | krazykit | a couple seconds |
| 04:43:03 | S333 | krazykit: Does Rockbox Utility now support Clip? The documentation doesn't, but the guide says it's a suggested way of going |
| 04:43:49 | S333 | err, docs say it doesn't |
| 04:44:09 | krazykit | i've never used the rockbox utility, so i wouldn't know |
| 04:44:25 | S333 | k |
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| 05:10:59 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: it has to be exactly like the english source |
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| 06:28:30 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Hmmm...just notice the SIM crashes now if it can't load a font via the %Fl tag now (ie. if the font isn't in the .rockbox/fonts/ folder), it just abruptly drops without even enough time to display the reason *why* it crashes. |
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| 06:33:03 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t_: with svn? |
| 06:33:08 | JdGordon | works fine here |
| 06:33:17 | JdGordon | or.. doesnt crash i mean |
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| 06:46:26 | S333 | hrm |
| 06:46:38 | S333 | I just installed the latest rockbox on my sansa and I get an undefined instruction error |
| 06:49:58 | JdGordon | which build? |
| 06:50:02 | JdGordon | and which sansa |
| 06:51:43 | S333 | JdGordon: Sansa Clip v1 2GB, release build r25021 |
| 06:52:39 | JdGordon | you build it yourself? |
| 06:52:45 | S333 | No, I downloaded it |
| 06:52:46 | JdGordon | did the error have a number with it? |
| 06:52:55 | S333 | yeah I just re-formmated the sansa |
| 06:53:02 | S333 | let me try again and make sure I didn't screw something up |
| 06:53:19 | S333 | I downloaded it from here: http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 06:53:50 | S333 | http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi doesn't list a clip port |
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| 06:56:21 | S333 | using this bootloader: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/clip/bootloader-clip.sansa |
| 06:57:44 | JdGordon | its a good chance todays changes broke something.. did that error message have a number with it? |
| 06:57:53 | S333 | yes, I will try to get it for you, hold on please. |
| 06:58:17 | S333 | just reflashed |
| 06:58:31 | S333 | same error |
| 06:58:41 | S333 | "undefined instructino at : 31BFDC40 |
| 06:58:56 | JdGordon | ok one min |
| 06:59:02 | Mode | "#rockbox +o rasher" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 06:59:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -b speedy2!*@*" by rasher (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
| 06:59:08 | Mode | "#rockbox -o rasher" by rasher (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
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| 07:04:26 | JdGordon | that address doesnt make much sense |
| 07:04:35 | Speedy2 | That's the error |
| 07:04:40 | Speedy2 | I double checked |
| 07:05:00 | JdGordon | I believe you |
| 07:05:13 | Speedy2 | Is there a more stable release I can try? |
| 07:05:28 | Speedy2 | I assume I would only replace the .rockbox folder and not the modified bootloader. |
| 07:06:00 | JdGordon | im building a zip for you... one min |
| 07:07:45 | JdGordon | http://usa.jgordon.info/rockbox/rockbox-clipv1.zip |
| 07:07:50 | JdGordon | jdgordon.info/rockbox/rockbox-clipv1.zip">http://usa.jdgordon.info/rockbox/rockbox-clipv1.zip |
| 07:10:30 | Speedy2 | Seems like it's lunched up with that |
| 07:10:35 | Speedy2 | wait |
| 07:10:39 | Speedy2 | it seems to work |
| 07:13:04 | JdGordon | thats makeing me tempted to revert kugels commits... |
| 07:15:37 | Speedy2 | it's right after you see the -25 in the upper right |
| 07:15:39 | Speedy2 | err left |
| 07:15:43 | Speedy2 | that the error pops up |
| 07:15:55 | Speedy2 | with the r25021 |
| 07:16:21 | JdGordon | hu? |
| 07:16:43 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 07:16:48 | Speedy2 | -25 is the volume setting |
| 07:16:56 | Speedy2 | so right after that status bar shows up |
| 07:17:26 | S_a_i_n_t_ | http://imgur.com/KHU4j.png and http://imgur.com/Ywo6M.png, comments, praise, criticism anyone? |
| 07:17:49 | JdGordon | I've seen worse :p |
| 07:18:08 | S_a_i_n_t_ | it's impossible to show the animations...but I'm just wondering about the layout |
| 07:18:25 | JdGordon | the menu is very empty |
| 07:19:31 | S_a_i_n_t_ | I like it that way myself. I'm still building the .sbs for the main screen...basically just porting the bottom half of the WPS, volume, battery, playmode etc. |
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| 07:20:17 | S_a_i_n_t_ | so visually, it shouldn't look like anything but the menu/album art and track info changes |
| 07:20:34 | S_a_i_n_t_ | *thats the theory anyway. |
| 07:21:36 | pixelma | JdGordon: the greyscale 160x128 screen targets (also the monochrome one) show colour themes on the theme site if those work and pass the respective checkwps. That's true if a colour screen theme doesn't use colour values in viewports (for a greyscale screen) and if it doesn't use backdrop or album art, it also works on monochrome |
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| 07:22:27 | JdGordon | ok |
| 07:22:38 | pixelma | greyscale/monochrome theme should also show up on the 160x128 colour screen targets etc. |
| 07:22:59 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Hmmm, did those links I posted actually work? |
| 07:23:07 | S_a_i_n_t_ | I can't seem to view them myself |
| 07:23:13 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:23:14 | S_a_i_n_t_ | it 404's on me ;/ |
| 07:24:19 | JdGordon | Speedy2: i still dont understand what your talking about.... that crash doesnt happen at boot? |
| 07:24:30 | Speedy2 | it does, right after I see the volume bar at the top |
| 07:24:43 | JdGordon | even with the build i gave you? |
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| 07:26:29 | Speedy2 | JdGordon: No, with the one latest release |
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| 07:26:40 | Speedy2 | JdGordon: Your version seems to work, at least from the perspective of the UI |
| 07:26:44 | JdGordon | ok good |
| 07:27:34 | Speedy2 | I should get an MP3 player with a bigger screen! :) |
| 07:27:46 | Speedy2 | Actually, I'll probably just load a different theme. |
| 07:29:10 | pixelma | hmm... maybe those themes should show a hint in the description, e.g. "uploaded as X5/H10 theme" or something. Then you'll get at least some explanation with it |
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| 07:31:36 | * | pixelma is also skeptical about kugel's changes, thinking they should have seen more testing at least and maybe a discussion beforehand |
| 07:31:36 | CIA-5 | New commit by nls (r25022): Remove leftover unused buffer from the mdctexp branch |
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| 07:32:18 | pixelma | they seem to be quite fundamental and I only ever saw himself speaking about it |
| 07:32:41 | pixelma | and also reporting test results |
| 07:33:04 | Speedy2 | What were the nature of his comitts? |
| 07:33:05 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Does anyone happen to know off the top of their head which buffer(s?) that kugel's "Resizable Skin-Buffer" patch steals from? |
| 07:33:23 | JdGordon | the audio buffer |
| 07:33:33 | JdGordon | it doesnt do anything that isnt already happening |
| 07:33:55 | S_a_i_n_t_ | so, it's in SVN now? |
| 07:34:03 | S_a_i_n_t_ | or..its just pointless? |
| 07:34:28 | Speedy2 | one bizarre thing |
| 07:34:42 | Speedy2 | I just connected USB and the device isn't enumerating by the kernel |
| 07:34:58 | Speedy2 | "writing" just shows up on the sansa screen after a few "connected" animations, and it's hanging there. |
| 07:35:25 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t_: neither |
| 07:35:43 | JdGordon | in svn it uses a statically sized buffer, the patch makes it use as much as required by the theme |
| 07:37:01 | Speedy2 | 1119361.599466] usb-storage: device found at 37 |
| 07:37:02 | Speedy2 | [1119361.599468] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 07:37:04 | Speedy2 | [1119366.600205] usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 07:37:21 | S_a_i_n_t_ | will the patch make the buffer smaller if it can, or just bigger if it needs to? |
| 07:37:28 | Speedy2 | After a few of the "connected" animations, "Writing" shows up and then a hang. I can pull the USB cable and re-power and rockbox loads OK> |
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| 07:38:13 | Speedy2 | This is with the latest v1 Sansa OF |
| 07:46:14 | Speedy2 | JdGordon: Any suggestions? |
| 07:46:38 | JdGordon | nup |
| 07:46:49 | Speedy2 | Well, I can't put any music on there to test it :/ |
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| 07:49:38 | pixelma | Speedy2: do you know how to manually but into the SansaOF? On the earlier Sansas it is be pressing the Left button during boot, I believe it is the Home button on the Clips (but don't own such a device and am not sure) |
| 07:50:00 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 07:50:02 | Speedy2 | I think I figured it out |
| 07:50:08 | Speedy2 | I had to boot to OF and set the USB to MSC |
| 07:50:13 | Speedy2 | Since I re-flashed it, it lost that setting |
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| 07:51:23 | n1s | Unhelpful: IIRC you mentioned a nice reference for the different instr timings on different arm cores a while ago but my google fu is failing me, care to tell me what it's called? |
| 07:52:24 | Speedy2 | You mean how many cycles it takes for an ARM instruction to complete? |
| 07:52:29 | Speedy2 | There's the "ARM ARM" |
| 07:52:52 | Unhelpful | n1s: arm system developer's guide... it's accurate to the best of my knowledge for most of the simple things, including mul/mla etc. i'm not so sure it's correct about branches but tbh i don't understand the arm1136 manual on branches :/ |
| 07:53:34 | Unhelpful | Speedy2: the nice thing about the ASDG is that it has tables for each of arm7, arm9, arm9e, and arm11... also xscale and arm10 but we don't care here ;) |
| 07:54:26 | n1s | ah, that's it |
| 07:54:36 | n1s | thanks |
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| 08:18:58 | Speedy2 | Last time I wrote ARM ASM it was for an ARM7TDMI |
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| 08:33:20 | ledmonk | does anyone have any experience using the album artwork extractor found here: http://vcardenasblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/album-art-extracter-for-rockbox.html ? |
| 08:35:06 | S_a_i_n_t_ | ledmonk: personally, i use mpeTag to rip my AA, but there's probably a better way to do it. |
| 08:35:20 | S_a_i_n_t_ | *mp3Tag |
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| 08:36:45 | ledmonk | is that on rockbox the wiki? i'm not seeing it... or am competely blind... |
| 08:37:34 | S_a_i_n_t_ | JdGordon: / Anyone: I've finished the .sbs, you think its a bit over the top? http://imgur.com/876OR.png |
| 08:38:05 | S_a_i_n_t_ | ledmonk: google it, it has nothing to do with RB |
| 08:38:36 | ledmonk | yeah i found it... dumb question. lol |
| 08:38:39 | ledmonk | thank you. |
| 08:40:00 | S_a_i_n_t_ | it does rely on your mp3's containing AA however...though it has an AA get reature. |
| 08:40:04 | Unhelpful | S_a_i_n_t_: well, a little, as we don't support embedded AA |
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| 08:40:13 | S_a_i_n_t_ | *feature |
| 08:40:40 | S_a_i_n_t_ | huh? |
| 08:40:51 | Unhelpful | picard can fetch AA as well, and checks tags vs musicbrainz. |
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| 08:42:33 | ledmonk | hmmm... got anything I can run under linux? i just switched to ubuntu recently and i'm not exactly fluent yet, so i've been having nothing but problems trying to get AA into RB |
| 08:42:59 | S_a_i_n_t_ | it should run under Wine |
| 08:43:27 | ledmonk | negative. "tmp/kCSLUkEB.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read" |
| 08:43:43 | S_a_i_n_t_ | hmmmm :/ |
| 08:43:48 | S_a_i_n_t_ | sorry. |
| 08:44:13 | ledmonk | no worries. i've been beating my head against the keyboard for the last few hours. one more faliure isn't going to kill me. |
| 08:44:55 | S_a_i_n_t_ | i had the impresion mp3Tag had a linux version...but i may be mistaken. |
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| 08:45:29 | Unhelpful | picard is available for linux :) |
| 08:47:11 | ledmonk | so it is, unhelpful. i'll give it a shot. thank you both. |
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| 09:14:37 | ledmonk | unhelpful, you still around? |
| 09:15:18 | Unhelpful | yeah... if you need help with picard you may want to join #rockbox-community, to keep this channel from getting too cluttered with not-really-about-rockbox-talk :) |
| 09:16:13 | ledmonk | cool. thanks |
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| 09:16:40 | Speedy2 | Unhelpful: What is picard? |
| 09:17:02 | ledmonk | whoops. |
| 09:17:26 | Unhelpful | Speedy2: try google? ;) |
| 09:17:42 | Speedy2 | Unhelpful: That just returns a lot of STNG hits |
| 09:17:46 | Speedy2 | let me try again though |
| 09:18:13 | Unhelpful | really? i got http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger as #1 :) |
| 09:18:28 | Speedy2 | weird |
| 09:21:30 | Unhelpful | ledmonk: try "/join #rockbox-community" :) |
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| 10:46:12 | gibbon_ | sansa clip+ OF shuts down around 3.3V |
| 10:46:34 | gibbon_ | at least thats what the current rockbox svn reports after the OF shuts down |
| 10:46:54 | gibbon_ | i'll try charging in OF now and see what rockbox tells me about voltage then |
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| 10:54:36 | MJ | bluebroth3r: sorry for never responding to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11023, thanks for fixing hat. |
| 10:54:59 | MJ | bluebroth3r: I think notification emails from the bug tracker were dropped by my greylisting daemon.. |
| 10:55:40 | MJ | no, the jabber notifications didn't work; switching notifications to 'both' for future tickets. |
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| 11:19:39 | ledmonk1 | anyone around that can answer a quick question about album artwork placement? |
| 11:20:51 | perfectdrug | just ask |
| 11:22:03 | ledmonk1 | i've got a 5th gen ipod video and i've got all the 100x100.bmp's in the ipod_control/music folder, but they are still not showing up in RB. i'm a little confused. |
| 11:23:02 | ledmonk1 | what did i do wrong? |
| 11:24:21 | Unhelpful | ledmonk1: here is how rockbox finds albumart: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 11:25:08 | perfectdrug | the easiest way to get albumart is to put the file named cover or folder.bmp (or jpg) into the corresponding music folder, but If you use the database you have to use the other options provided |
| 11:26:48 | perfectdrug | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap3.html#x18-368000C.3 |
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| 11:28:28 | ledmonk1 | hello again, unhelpful lol... the wiki told me to put it in the above mentioned folder. |
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| 11:29:39 | ledmonk1 | perfect, does "/.rockbox/albumart/" refer to the existing .rockbox directory (i.e placing a /albumart/ folder in the existing .rockbox directoy) or created a a new directory? |
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| 11:30:41 | perfectdrug | you have to create an albumart folder in the .rockbox directory |
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| 11:31:14 | perfectdrug | and name the files according to their tags |
| 11:31:38 | ledmonk1 | d'oh. yeah, i did that too... no joy. |
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| 11:33:41 | ledmonk1 | perhaps i have the tags wrong... "David Bowie-The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.100x100.bmp" does that look ok? |
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| 11:34:22 | perfectdrug | 100x100 seems to be wrong |
| 11:34:31 | ledmonk1 | ah ha! |
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| 11:35:01 | perfectdrug | the manual doesn't say this, and rockbox is capable to resize your albumart |
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| 11:35:26 | perfectdrug | you can provide the unresized source pictures |
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| 11:36:22 | ledmonk1 | well i'll try removing the "100x100" and see if that does the trick. |
| 11:36:41 | ledmonk1 | thank you for your help, good sir. |
| 11:37:41 | perfectdrug | :) |
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| 11:40:20 | Unhelpful | there's still stuff referring to sized AA? the manual doesn't mention it anymore... and i can't remember if we ever actually removed the code for it or not :/ |
| 11:41:12 | pixelma | if you include the 100x100 in your file name, then those will be taken only if your WPS was made for 100x100 sized album art |
| 11:42:11 | ledmonk1 | the file names were done automatically by a program i used, unhelpful. i didn't set them that way. |
| 11:42:36 | ledmonk1 | hooray! |
| 11:42:44 | * | pixelma uses this as a trick for a small album art WPS and using different art pictures with it which show just a part of the cover (and can keep those alongside the full art pictures |
| 11:43:25 | ledmonk1 | look like i've got this all set. thank you very much, gentlemen. i've been at this for about 20 some odd hours in one shape or another. lol |
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| 11:53:33 | ledmonk1 | yeah that definitely did the trick. thank you very much, prefectdrug & unhelpful. Now I just need to figure out the right size to set these as for this theme. lol. |
| 11:54:38 | Unhelpful | ledmonk1: rockbox scales now, so if you just make them the largest size you expect to use, that should be fine... or the largest size you *regularly* use, although they may look bad if you change themes and they're scaled up ;) |
| 11:56:15 | ledmonk1 | Sorry to ask dumb questions & thank you both again. |
| 11:56:19 | ledmonk1 | cheers. |
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| 11:58:01 | Unhelpful | bah, i was also going to say he doesn't *have to* use bmp - some of the instructions in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS?topic=AlbumArt include converting to bmp as a step :/ |
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| 12:45:05 | kugel | pixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-11/0004.shtml .... |
| 12:45:41 | kugel | and "nobody objects" usually means "go for it" |
| 12:47:06 | kugel | don't act as if I wouldn't discuss this kind of changes |
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| 13:04:43 | wodz | Hello. I created new port in my local rockbox tree. I am able to do bootloader compile fine, but when I try to do normal build I end up with some errors I don't understand. The first error line is: /home/wodz/rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: lang.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:04:56 | wodz | what I am doing wrong? |
| 13:06:38 | kugel | hm, the clip undef instr doesn't make any sense |
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| 13:09:02 | wodz | no clue? |
| 13:10:07 | Torne | wodz: not without more information |
| 13:10:18 | Torne | wodz: stick the entire log on a pastebin |
| 13:10:41 | wodz | pastebin? |
| 13:10:48 | wodz | what is it? |
| 13:11:10 | kugel | hrm, the disassembly looks correct |
| 13:14:46 | wodz | do You mean www.pastebin.com? |
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| 13:16:49 | Torne | yes, any such site |
| 13:16:56 | wodz | http://pastebin.com/jfPQJvgX |
| 13:17:40 | Torne | Are you reusing that build directory from having built the bootloader? |
| 13:17:47 | Torne | because it didn't do any dependency generation |
| 13:18:02 | Torne | if so, don't do that |
| 13:18:09 | Torne | delete the contents of build and start again |
| 13:18:17 | wodz | ok |
| 13:18:27 | wodz | make veryclean is sufficient? |
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| 13:18:42 | Torne | rm -rf * is more dependable :) |
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| 13:18:49 | Torne | but hey |
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| 13:19:07 | Torne | make clean will do, because that deletes everything except the files that are recreated by configure anyway |
| 13:19:34 | Torne | you can't just go from building one config to another in the same directory without cleaning; our makefiles are not smart enough to notice what you have done |
| 13:19:45 | kugel | interesting |
| 13:20:13 | kugel | some init code apears to grab the plugin buffer :) |
| 13:21:53 | wodz | Torne: now I got this: http://pastebin.com/6jitigMn |
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| 13:24:15 | Torne | viewport.h should be found from apps/gui |
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| 13:24:19 | Torne | not the build directory.. |
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| 13:25:55 | * | Torne pokes |
| 13:27:07 | Torne | ok, you are missing "gui" from appextra in configure |
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| 13:27:17 | pixelma | kugel: two replies in November and I don't see much mention of tests (even in the patch tracker) which if I understand correctly are quite important here as it can cause some weird breakage. |
| 13:27:30 | wodz | ok |
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| 13:30:29 | Torne | people in general: isn't appextra="gui" needed by every target? why is it still an extra define? :) |
| 13:31:50 | markcs | Hi! Has anyone got rockbox working on the Sansa Clip v1? |
| 13:32:14 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25023): Fix as3525 lowmem targets. They put the init code into the plugin buffer, but some init functions are grabbing it. |
| 13:33:18 | kugel | markcs: sure |
| 13:33:34 | kugel | Speedy2: clipv1 works again |
| 13:33:49 | topik | kugel, is there a list of which devices are considered 'as3525 lowmem' ? |
| 13:33:50 | markcs | kugel: I get an error after the Rock Box startup on the clip |
| 13:34:04 | markcs | and then it stops |
| 13:34:13 | kugel | topik: clipv1, c200v2, m200v2 |
| 13:34:18 | kugel | m200v4* |
| 13:34:22 | Torne | markcs: what error? :) |
| 13:34:23 | topik | thank you sir |
| 13:34:38 | kugel | markcs: it has been fixed a second ago ;) |
| 13:35:05 | TheSeven | kugel: assuming it was a development build that he was running |
| 13:35:16 | markcs | kugel: Undefined instruction at 31BFF840 |
| 13:35:28 | kugel | TheSeven: there are only developement builds for it |
| 13:36:13 | markcs | kugel: does the release fix that error? Should I download the firmware from http://build.rockbox.org/ ? |
| 13:36:23 | kugel | wait a few minutes that redownload the current build |
| 13:36:31 | kugel | then* |
| 13:36:46 | TheSeven | it's still being compiled, another ~4 minutes to go |
| 13:36:56 | markcs | kugel: thanks... I'll give it 10 and try again |
| 13:39:20 | wodz | where are keymaps defined? |
| 13:40:09 | b0hoon | wodz: /apps/keymaps |
| 13:40:19 | TheSeven | markcs: new build should be ready for download |
| 13:41:15 | markcs | TheSeven: Thanks... I just saw the revsion step... fingers crossed! |
| 13:42:51 | b0hoon | wodz: don't forget about /apps/SOURCES file too |
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| 13:50:47 | wodz | b0hoon: what is the minimal keymap file content? |
| 13:51:15 | wodz | I am knocked down by the number of fields to edit |
| 13:53:33 | markcs | TheSeven: its working now.. thanks |
| 13:57:54 | jae | What is a Fuze v2 most similar to? Or is it a unique beast? |
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| 13:58:43 | kugel | fuzev1 |
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| 14:00:28 | Torne | fuzev2 is probably most similar to clipv2 and clip+.. |
| 14:01:24 | b0hoon | wodz: please look at the /apps/keymaps/keymap-newtarget.c file. ACTION_STD_* and ACTION_WPS_* should be enough however i'm not certainly sure, cause i've defined it all on the beginning for my target. |
| 14:01:28 | kugel | hardware wise yea |
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| 14:01:51 | gibbon_ | clip+ OF battery voltages range from ~4.15v (fully charged) to ~3.3v (OF won't boot anymore with a battery low shutdown screen) - voltages are from the battery debug menu of the clip+ |
| 14:02:49 | gibbon_ | i am quite unsure, where to put this information |
| 14:03:05 | kugel | SansaRuntime |
| 14:03:20 | gibbon_ | thanks kugel |
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| 14:04:05 | gibbon_ | anyhow the format of the table suggests another location |
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| 14:04:49 | gibbon_ | its not a runtime test |
| 14:05:12 | kugel | gibbon_: the *Runtime pages are not only for plain benches |
| 14:05:50 | kugel | they're for all related information |
| 14:06:15 | gibbon_ | kugel: i then will look for an example on the other pages, thanks for blowing away my confusion |
| 14:06:52 | kugel | there's also IpodRuntime, SamsungRuntime, GigabeatRuntime |
| 14:07:11 | gibbon_ | i saw that on BatteryRuntime |
| 14:11:35 | gibbon_ | i will add an "additional findings" section then |
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| 16:35:08 | chrisb | does rockbox support line-out in general, or on a model by model basis? |
| 16:35:21 | chrisb | audio line-out, that is |
| 16:35:34 | funman | model basis, there are players without line-out afaik |
| 16:35:39 | kugel | it's supported on some models, but I don't know if on all |
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| 16:35:50 | * | chrisb is wondering about audio line-out for the sansa e2xx series and ipods |
| 16:36:20 | kugel | those have their line out in that proprietary connector, so it might not be supported |
| 16:36:49 | Torne | line out for all ipods should just work, afaik |
| 16:36:52 | chrisb | kugel: ah, thanks |
| 16:37:08 | Torne | there's some work going on at the moment to control the power to lineout since it draws a little power.. |
| 16:37:23 | Torne | but currently lineout is always on; the OF never turns it off either |
| 16:37:25 | kugel | don't count on me, I have really no idea about lineout on ipods/sansas |
| 16:37:32 | chrisb | Torne: i've never owned a PAD, let alone an ipod |
| 16:37:49 | chrisb | Torne: does the ipod have a line-out separate from the prop cabling? |
| 16:37:49 | Torne | well, all ipods with a dock connector have a line out on the dock connector. |
| 16:38:12 | Torne | no, all connectors other than headphones are on the dock, except on the very very very old ones |
| 16:38:26 | funman | someone with a gigabeat S could look the FM debug menu for me ? |
| 16:38:33 | chrisb | Torne: thanks for that detailed information |
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| 16:38:54 | funman | on startup of clipv1, all the registers are set to 0 before I start FM playback |
| 16:39:08 | chrisb | sansa looks so attractive for a first try at a PAD, more so than iPod |
| 16:39:16 | kugel | what's a PAD? |
| 16:39:20 | kugel | do you mean DAP? |
| 16:39:29 | chrisb | PAD, Personal Audio Device |
| 16:39:36 | chrisb | DAP? digital audio player |
| 16:39:50 | kugel | yes |
| 16:39:53 | * | chrisb is very new to this, not yet TLA or buzzword compliant |
| 16:40:31 | linuxstb | TLA? |
| 16:40:57 | chrisb | one of my requirements is that i be able to connect the DAP to a radio player with RCA inputs |
| 16:41:07 | chrisb | linuxstb: Three Letter Acronym |
| 16:41:13 | funman | chrisb: you can use headphone connector for this |
| 16:41:16 | chrisb | to share the music |
| 16:41:45 | pixelma | then just don't use acronyms ;) |
| 16:41:59 | chrisb | funman: isn't the headphone impedance different from the RCA input impedance? |
| 16:42:17 | chrisb | line-out vs headphone out? |
| 16:42:46 | chrisb | also volume control issues |
| 16:43:26 | Torne | chrisb: yes, the impedance is different, but the device you are connecting it to is unlikely to care |
| 16:43:51 | Torne | and rockbox has a nice numeric way of setting the volume, so if you want the output to be line level then you can, you set to 0dB |
| 16:44:35 | chrisb | Torne: brilliant |
| 16:44:55 | Torne | "real" line out is not relevant for just being able to connect to bigger speakers and play music for people |
| 16:45:09 | Torne | if you want perfect reproduction for recording/etc then yes, the impedance mismatch is probably bad :) |
| 16:45:31 | Torne | whatever amplifying device you plug it into will work just fine connected to the headphone jack of anything :) |
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| 16:48:34 | chrisb | i don't know that much, i just presumed the output amplifier to the earbuds would have a specialized frequency response, different from line-out |
| 16:48:55 | chrisb | Torne: your information is very encouraging |
| 16:49:09 | chrisb | Torne: for the Sansa offerings |
| 16:50:57 | Torne | chrisb: the output amp *does* work differently to line out |
| 16:51:09 | Torne | but you are unlikely to hear the difference. |
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| 16:57:02 | chrisb | Torne: understood |
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| 17:04:58 | funman | GodEater: (or someone with a gigabeat S) could you try http://pastie.org/853656 and tell me if FM still works ? |
| 17:05:17 | GodEater | not. a. chance. too snowed with work things :( |
| 17:05:24 | GodEater | also, my S is buried at home somewhere |
| 17:05:30 | * | chrisb looks for a 3.5mm to RCA male cable |
| 17:07:52 | funman | AlexP: got a change to test this patch on Gigabeat S ? ^ |
| 17:07:56 | funman | chance* |
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| 17:40:23 | * | TheSeven needs statistics about how many users actually use nano2g dualboot |
| 17:40:46 | TheSeven | dropping that (or at least not including it out of the box) would make things easier ;-) |
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| 18:00:35 | evilnick_B | More info on TheSeven's last remark: <TheSeven> ...right now there is a design decision that's a little tricky (easier installation vs. dualboot support) |
| 18:00:46 | evilnick_B | <TheSeven> my plan is to build an image that you'll just dd to the ipod, unplug it, wait some seconds, plug it again and unpack the rockbox zip file => done |
| 18:00:58 | evilnick_B | <TheSeven> but if we want to keep it that easy, i see no way of saving the OFW before overwriting it (which will happen during the dd step) |
| 18:01:52 | TheSeven | if we replace the dd by ipodpatcher, it would work, but that's one one of the things i wanted to get rid of originally |
| 18:02:14 | evilnick_B | I'm not sure how much dd-ing a file across would be easier for inexperienced windows users, although I admit I'm not sure how the current installation goes |
| 18:02:14 | TheSeven | actually, we could support both ways: dualboot install through ipodpatcher, and "bare-metal" install using dd without dualboot |
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| 18:10:14 | TheSeven | what would be really cool would be just copying a file to the data partition for installation |
| 18:10:26 | TheSeven | but that's probably impossible |
| 18:11:16 | TheSeven | (would be OFW revision-dependent and we could only load 4K that way, which isn't sufficient to fetch the rest of it from the flash) |
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| 18:12:32 | evilnick_B | As long as there's a (semi-)automated way using rbutil then that'd be fine wouldn't it? |
| 18:13:04 | TheSeven | probably yes |
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| 18:15:04 | fml | kugel: I think the recent commit needs a thorough documentation (in the wiki?) about what functions can be marked as INIT and what may not (and what consequences the violation of the rules will have). Since it's something not noticable by an even experienced programmer. |
| 18:15:30 | kugel | hm, good idea |
| 18:16:11 | kugel | in the code or in the wiki, or both? |
| 18:17:36 | fml | kugel: both would do no harm :-) |
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| 18:20:35 | AlexP | funman: Still need that testing? |
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| 18:23:30 | fml | kugel: in the code I'd place it where the INIT attr is defined, i.e. in config.h. But that's too far from the actual places where it's used. Hence the wiki is also needed. |
| 18:25:06 | kugel | something like this? http://pastie.org/853810 |
| 18:25:37 | dionoea | "these functions" |
| 18:27:36 | kugel | fml: can you suggest a suitable page? |
| 18:27:38 | JdGordon | that is a useless place for that comment |
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| 18:28:34 | kugel | another one could be added near main() |
| 18:29:14 | fml | kugel: I'd also specify where that "root_menu()" lives (main.c?). Also,you missed an underscore in one place and te full stop in the end. But otherwise I find the comment OK. |
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| 18:30:56 | fml | kugel: I'd also explain what "overwritten" means, i.e. their code in RAM. On the wiki page, we can also describe that it doesn't work with ROM (or does it?) etc. |
| 18:31:06 | JdGordon | yes, near main() would be better |
| 18:31:36 | JdGordon | with a comment in main saying /* no INIT_ATTR function calls after this point */ |
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| 18:32:34 | fml | kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxArchitecture or a descendant thereof, maybe a new one. |
| 18:33:39 | fml | I think the comment must be near the definition and maybe in main.c. But near the definition is a must IMO. |
| 18:34:38 | AlexP | funman: radio is fine with that patch |
| 18:37:35 | kugel | http://pastie.org/853842 ? |
| 18:38:58 | perfectdrug | who does actually use the "Search Flyspray" field on the front page? I think most users don't even know what flyspray is, and if they are looking for patches or bugs, I think they go directly on the links for that. What do you think about replacing this with "Search Wiki" I think this would help people finding the information wanted, because the normal search field brings not the most important documentation results on the top. |
| 18:40:24 | perfectdrug | reffering to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24097 , i think it is easy with the wiki search to find the plugindict page |
| 18:40:35 | kugel | I use it always when firefox forgets the custom search generated from it :) |
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| 18:41:31 | perfectdrug | s/reffering/referring |
| 18:42:04 | perfectdrug | why not use the search on the flyspray site? |
| 18:42:06 | planetbeing | Is there a recommed click-path from the Rockbox front page to browsing the SVN? Or is googling for "Rockbox SVN" the best way? :) |
| 18:42:06 | fml | kugel: almost :-) There two underscores missing (in "root menu()"). |
| 18:42:25 | kugel | huh? |
| 18:42:56 | kugel | the function is called root_menu |
| 18:43:53 | fml | kugel: Oh, sorry, that undescore is not shown on my display. It's ok then. |
| 18:45:00 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25024): Add a few warning comments about the INIT_ATTR stuff. |
| 18:46:12 | fml | planetbeing: I use the "SVN chages" page as an entry and then navigate where I need to. |
| 18:49:03 | funman | AlexP: thanks |
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| 19:18:29 | rasher | I guess that can be removed. |
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| 19:39:05 | kugel | can someone update the manual for the fm radio screen? |
| 19:39:29 | kugel | I added the quickscreen to it not too long ago, but didn't get to updating the manual yet |
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| 19:41:02 | kugel | I feel that we need a script for that :( |
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| 19:46:28 | Llorean | A script for what? |
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| 19:59:10 | kugel | Llorean: scanning/processing keymap files for easier manual work |
| 19:59:40 | pixelma | sending a reminder mail if someone committed a feature and didn't update the manual ;\ |
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| 20:00:53 | Llorean | kugel: How much work does that really save you? It won't be able to write the entry for you, so at best it can juts remind you that you changed a keymap. |
| 20:01:03 | Llorean | I figured you already knew you did, since you're mentioning it in here... |
| 20:02:31 | kugel | it would be enough if it could do the keymap*.text files |
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| 20:02:50 | JdGordon_ | did FS #11075 get fixed with r25023 ? |
| 20:03:52 | kugel | yes |
| 20:04:05 | gevaerts | Bagder, Zagor: http://rockbox.hostname.be/3.5.1/ has new and improved builds |
| 20:04:39 | kugel | I'm wondering why anybody reporting that error ommits the 0 that came between the 3 and the 1 |
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| 20:04:54 | * | Bagder gets the new and improved builds |
| 20:04:56 | kugel | the actual address was something like 301BFF8XX |
| 20:06:16 | * | Buschel is listening to musepack sv8 on his pc-sim :o) |
| 20:07:44 | gevaerts | How do we handle release notes for release updates? Their own page, or an edit to the main 3.5 page |
| 20:08:03 | Bagder | a new page I think |
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| 20:11:59 | rasher | 3.0.1 has its own page |
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| 20:31:14 | inevitable | G hear that I can use a Toshiba *GAL drive with rockbox on the H340, but I need a modified bootloader or some such. I'm having a little trouble digging up instructions or a thread for reference though. Can anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 20:31:21 | inevitable | G = I |
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| 20:32:01 | inevitable | something about physical sector size i guess |
| 20:32:31 | inevitable | what, irc nicks starting with a number? madhax! |
| 20:34:38 | pixelma_ | *GAL doesn't give enough info - it just means it's a dual platter one, you need to be more accurate. And I would be very very careful with modified bootloaders for the H300 (and I'm not aware of a necessity when you upgrade drives but I didn't follow it too closely) |
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| 20:35:08 | JdGordon_ | do NOT use a svn bootloader on h300.. it will brick it |
| 20:35:10 | pixelma_ | a necessity of a new bootloader I mean |
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| 20:36:26 | inevitable | mm right, sec |
| 20:36:37 | inevitable | MK1231GAL |
| 20:37:05 | inevitable | i was gonna buy a 1214gah, but i apparently bought the one i did about 2 days before they stopped making them, and the guy on ebay was like "lol woops i don't have ne" |
| 20:38:22 | inevitable | so the choice is pay like $50 more, now, or get the 1231GAL, but i don't know if i can make it work with the player |
| 20:38:28 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: the intermediate aiff and wav both sound fine when played back in Rockbox... |
| 20:39:05 | inevitable | (i do already have rockbox on it) |
| 20:39:28 | inevitable | i'm sure it'd be safer to buy the 1214, but i don't know if it's a big deal to make the other one work or what |
| 20:40:57 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: ok, now that is getting strange. Can you upload the files somewhere? |
| 20:41:15 | bluebroth3r | (or email them to me)? |
| 20:41:50 | pixelma | which ones - the wav and aiff or a sample talk clip - or? |
| 20:42:06 | bluebroth3r | the wav and aiff files |
| 20:42:23 | bluebroth3r | thinking about it, a sample talk clip would be interesting too ... |
| 20:42:44 | bluebroth3r | have you ever tried creating voice files on that machine using a different TTS, like espeak? |
| 20:43:22 | pixelma | hmm... should I try the same on the PPC where voice creation hangs completely? |
| 20:43:35 | pixelma | no, haven't tried a different TTS |
| 20:43:42 | gevaerts | inevitable: maybe ask on the forums. My impression is that there are more people there who do this sort of thing |
| 20:44:07 | bluebroth3r | yes, if you can. Try the "Test TTS" and check if any intermediate files are present at all. Maybe it crashes earlier −− or later. |
| 20:44:33 | bluebroth3r | it might also be a problem with the encoding. You're building mp3 clips or speex? |
| 20:44:59 | pixelma | I'm building for the M5, so speex |
| 20:45:49 | pixelma | don't have my Ondio with me currently but I could test tomorrow |
| 20:46:46 | bluebroth3r | would be interesting. |
| 20:46:59 | gevaerts | Can someone review http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes351 ? |
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| 20:48:22 | * | kugel got perl to print http://pastie.org/854110 \o/ |
| 20:48:36 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: I would link those "see 3.5 release notes" texts |
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| 20:49:10 | pixelma | "test tts" is already hanging but I'll have a look for some files |
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| 20:49:52 | pixelma | it started the VoiceOver setup once more (that didn't happen on the Intel Mac) |
| 20:50:04 | inevitable | gevaerts: mk. i thought there was probably already a discussion and i couldn't find it |
| 20:50:24 | gevaerts | bluebroth3r: in what way exactly? I just copied this from the 3.0.1 notes |
| 20:50:28 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: hmm. I have no idea why VoiceOver comes up. Shouldn't happen. |
| 20:51:20 | gnuvince | Hello. I'm sure you've all heard this one thousands of times before, but here goes: I tried to install rockbox on my iPod 4th gen, and it tells me it can't find rockbox.ipod. The .rockbox/ directory is placed at the root of the iPod's file system hierarchy and I used ipodpatcher to install the boot loader. I tried with the automatic installer on Windows and manually on Linux with the same result. Any tips? |
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| 20:52:01 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: ah, just noticed that you linked the section titles. I'd rather link the text instead of the section title −− I wasn't expecting them to be linked |
| 20:52:14 | gevaerts | bluebroth3r: feel free to change it :) |
| 20:53:47 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: just did it :) |
| 20:54:00 | gevaerts | gnuvince: maybe try checking the filesystem |
| 20:54:56 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25025): prepare for 3.5.1 |
| 20:55:03 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: seems creation of those intermediate files already failed, I can't even find a tmp folder |
| 20:55:04 | gnuvince | gevaerts: checking it? |
| 20:55:15 | gevaerts | gnuvince: fsck or chkdsk |
| 20:55:50 | gevaerts | rockbox is known to be a bit sensitive to filesystem corruption, and removable drives tend to accumulate this sort of thing |
| 20:56:06 | gnuvince | Can this happen minutes after reformatting? |
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| 20:56:32 | gevaerts | ah, not normally, no |
| 20:57:13 | gevaerts | Bagder: is build-info automatically generated from cron, or do I have to ping you or Zagor? |
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| 20:57:43 | gnuvince | gevaerts: I'll try it out anyway |
| 20:57:44 | gnuvince | brb |
| 20:57:57 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: ok. Too bad. |
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| 21:02:13 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25026): Add 3.5.1 to the frontpage news |
| 21:02:23 | kugel | via perl: http://pastie.org/854156 |
| 21:02:30 | kugel | do we need such a script? |
| 21:02:37 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: mail sent but I want to go home now... |
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| 21:03:16 | kugel | the output isn't completely compatible to the existing manual, due to the plain converting from the keymap-*.c files |
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| 21:04:51 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: ok. Thanks for testing. |
| 21:06:56 | gevaerts | The 3.5.1 release announcement email is ready to go out as soon as the server-side things are done |
| 21:07:13 | inevitable | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19312.0 this thread seems to indicate that just changing a couple defines would be enough, but i'm a bit dubious about that... someone more knowledgeable than me, perhaps, can say if it is a bad idea? |
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| 21:09:21 | gevaerts | inevitable: it's definitely enough on ipod, *but* the bootloader needs to be recompiled too, and that's a very dangerous business on h300 |
| 21:09:47 | inevitable | so it seems |
| 21:10:16 | gevaerts | Bootloaders from current svn are known to be broken for h300, so my advice would be to not even try |
| 21:10:16 | inevitable | if that's all that needs changing, and there are these modern drives coming out with bigger sector sizes, i wonder why it hasn't been updated yet? |
| 21:10:25 | inevitable | yeah, i read that earlier too |
| 21:11:05 | gevaerts | We need someone with both a H300 and the equipment to recover it from non-working bootloaders to do the debugging. Those people aren't very common |
| 21:11:09 | inevitable | makes me frustrated that i didn't get that 1214GAH when i had the chance :( |
| 21:11:19 | inevitable | ah, i see |
| 21:11:24 | inevitable | what kind of equipment is necessary? |
| 21:12:21 | inevitable | i don't know jack about the internals of the h340 or rockbox, but i am savvy enough and can follow instructions ... except i expect said equipment is likely to be somewhat expensive |
| 21:13:16 | gevaerts | I don't know how much it costs, but it does require some fine soldering work |
| 21:13:18 | Buschel | today seems to be a good day for programming :o) mpc seek is also working now with the new decoder. |
| 21:14:04 | Buschel | porting to little endian now |
| 21:14:08 | gevaerts | inevitable: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverBDM |
| 21:15:17 | inevitable | 200 bucks :( |
| 21:15:58 | gevaerts | IIRC there's someone on the forums who has done this recently |
| 21:16:53 | inevitable | maybe i'll just pay the $50 ;) |
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| 21:25:10 | fml | Has anybody noticed this mail? What do you think? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive//rockbox-dev-archive-2010-03/0005.shtml |
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| 21:29:40 | kugel | hm |
| 21:29:53 | kugel | getting it from the keymap files doesn't quite work :( |
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| 21:30:52 | fml | petur: ^^ ;-) |
| 21:32:41 | kugel | or maybe it does |
| 21:35:01 | * | TheSeven wonders what 40FAAJEKU and 50UAAC0L7 are |
| 21:35:13 | TheSeven | human or not? |
| 21:35:27 | 50UAAC0L7 | That's my nick? o.o |
| 21:35:32 | 50UAAC0L7 | Thanks, Colloquy. |
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| 21:41:26 | pixelma | planetbeing: there's another one of you (according to whois 40FAAJEKU is also yours) |
| 21:42:24 | * | Buschel listens to sv8 on his ipod now :o) will measure speed now |
| 21:42:53 | TheSeven | who's responsoble for the SMAF codec? |
| 21:43:03 | TheSeven | responsible even |
| 21:45:35 | petur | kugel: I know & I'll fix tonight |
| 21:46:48 | TheSeven | did *anyone* ever see SMAF working on *any* target? at least on nano2g it doesn't... |
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| 21:50:26 | saratoga | TheSeven: that would be Uchida |
| 21:50:29 | saratoga | he added it a couple days ago |
| 21:50:38 | saratoga | if it doesn't work i would file a bug report and add him to it |
| 21:50:41 | TheSeven | I remember discussing it with pondlife... |
| 21:51:02 | TheSeven | (who said that he only tested it in simulators) |
| 21:51:25 | * | TheSeven is unsure as to why/how it fails |
| 21:51:46 | TheSeven | it will display some garbage metadata briefly and skip over all of the smaf tracks |
| 21:51:59 | TheSeven | did it even load the codec? no idea. |
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| 21:54:41 | gevaerts | Bagder: can you give whichever script generates build-info a push? |
| 21:56:43 | Bagder | it runs on every commit |
| 21:57:08 | Bagder | I just made sure the www is now updated, so at next commit the build-info file should be correct |
| 21:57:11 | gevaerts | oh, so I'm basically waiting for the mirror sync? |
| 21:57:32 | gevaerts | actually www doesn't matter. The build.pm there is a symlink to the main one |
| 21:57:47 | Bagder | the mirrors should be in sync by now |
| 21:58:26 | saratoga | "FS #10919 - playback pause on rebuffer" can probably be closed |
| 21:58:31 | gevaerts | the file I see still mentions r25021 |
| 21:59:23 | gevaerts | saratoga: I think so, yes |
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| 22:01:24 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25027): oops, it's 3.5.1, not 3.51 |
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| 22:08:04 | gevaerts | Bagder: there's apparntly two build-info files... |
| 22:08:45 | gevaerts | There's http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/build-info which is updated on every commit (but doesn't have much information), and there's http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info which is updated by the daily builds |
| 22:08:58 | Bagder | right, I noticed that too |
| 22:09:15 | gevaerts | This would explain why people always complain about being unable to install from rbutil for a while longer than expected |
| 22:09:22 | Bagder | I've updated the latter one now, but it'll take a while until it gets synced |
| 22:09:50 | Bagder | yes, suddenly it makes me think they didn't hallucinate! ;-) |
| 22:10:10 | gevaerts | I'll wait a bit before sending out the email then |
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| 22:16:16 | CIA-5 | New commit by peter (r25028): fix typo in talk value of histogram setting |
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| 22:35:57 | bluebroth3r | anyone familiar with rbspeex around? I'm wondering what exactly the difference is to plain speex files |
| 22:36:12 | Llorean | Aren't they the speex stream without any container? |
| 22:36:24 | Llorean | I've seen it described as "raw" speex a few times |
| 22:39:53 | bluebroth3r | looks you're right. Just found a comment in the source saying so. |
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| 22:45:16 | gevaerts | 3.5.1 is now officially out |
| 22:46:03 | * | bluebroth3r gets out of ideas :( |
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| 22:49:45 | pixelma | JdGordon_: just tested a radio skin diff again on my M5 and I still have the problem that once I make it load an own fms, I can't exit the radio anymore. And I have trouble setting my own through the menu - I once deleted the fms line in config.cfg to get rid of my own, whenever I tried to load it again through the menu, nothing happened and I had to add the fms line again (no change even across reboots) with the text editor. I increased the skin |
| 22:49:45 | pixelma | buffer a bit but it was enough even before |
| 22:50:01 | pixelma | my fms only contains "%Tn" nothing more |
| 22:50:15 | JdGordon_ | how much did you up the buffer size to? |
| 22:50:34 | pixelma | and it displays the station preset correctly even |
| 22:52:21 | pixelma | I used 4 instead of 2 times the screen size. Rockbox info says 19.2kB/58.0kB |
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| 22:54:02 | * | pixelma compiles a sim, maybe that one gives some info |
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| 22:55:41 | JdGordon_ | ok, then thats probably fine |
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| 23:06:23 | pixelma | interesting, I can change all other things in the radio - switch stations, adjust volume until I try exiting the radio and it fails. After that no keypresses do anything (except the hard power off) |
| 23:07:22 | JdGordon_ | thats really wierd :p |
| 23:07:26 | JdGordon_ | on target or sim? |
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| 23:08:00 | pixelma | on target |
| 23:08:38 | pixelma | "catch mem accesses" didn't turn up anything |
| 23:12:19 | pixelma | if the radio screen hangs then backlight doesn't turn off either (still speaking about the target) |
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| 23:14:39 | JdGordon_ | that could mean its somehow got into a infitniet loop :/ |
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| 23:34:20 | pixelma | JdGordon_: by the way, I find an rwps-line with an mytheme.rwps in config.cfg even though such a file doesn't even exist. That's after I tried loading an FMS through the menu but I didn't check before |
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| 23:34:53 | JdGordon_ | you added it or rockbox added it? |
| 23:35:04 | JdGordon_ | sounds like a bit of a snafu on my part :p |
| 23:35:17 | pixelma | Rockbox added it |
| 23:35:49 | pixelma | that could explain why setting through the menu doesn't work... ;) |
| 23:36:00 | pixelma | an FMS I mean |
| 23:37:18 | JdGordon_ | does the fms show up in the browser when fileview is "supported"? |
| 23:40:10 | JdGordon_ | hmm, i assume it does if the fmscreen menu option displays them |
| 23:40:18 | pixelma | oh nice, the sim hangs with CPU at 100% with an own fms (loaded by adding the line to the config.cfg) that's after entering the FM screen and negating the auto-scan question - this doesn't happen with your hardcoded fms... |
| 23:41:17 | JdGordon_ | haha, yep nice snafu on my part :p |
| 23:41:24 | pixelma | no debug output though |
| 23:42:04 | JdGordon_ | filetree.c has case FILE_ATTR_RFMS: where case FILE_ATTR_FMS: shuold be |
| 23:42:09 | JdGordon_ | in ft_enter() |
| 23:42:18 | JdGordon_ | (nano doesnt show line numbers) |
| 23:42:23 | bluebroth3r | there is something broken with the zezayer wps with current builds: the statusbar is drawn over the wps |
| 23:42:51 | bluebroth3r | shows up pretty clearly on the sim. On the target it's only if the statusbar changes |
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| 23:45:31 | bluebroth3r | anyone interested in looking into it? Zezayer is still in svn. |
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| 23:52:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: I assume the case a few lines below inside the ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD should have an RFMS instead of the FMS then :P |
| 23:52:26 | pixelma | lines 514 and 520 - for what it's worth |
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