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#rockbox log for 2010-03-05

00:01:02pixelmabluebroth3r: looks like it could be related to the fact that the zezayer rwps has an %we (while main wps has an %wd) and I guess there could be a bug with handling the differences. My guess is based on the fact that I don't see something wrong in my M5 sim where zezayer doesn't have an rwps
00:01:45pixelmabecause the Iaudio remote has a different screen size
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00:09:49facelessloserhi all
00:10:16facelessloserare the rockbox servers down i cant download the 3.5.1 build
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00:10:44rasherMirrors not synced yet maybe?
00:11:05Topic"3.5.1 has been released! | 3.5 has been released! | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:11:46pixelmaJdGordon: the rfms thing is still happening although I fixed the two spots in filetree.c
00:12:55facelessloseri hope its back up soon
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00:16:05karashataseems fine here
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00:16:56facelessloseri siwll try agiain in a min
00:17:26karashataare you trying to use the Rockbox Utility or download the ZIP directly from the site?
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00:22:23pixelmaJdGordon: ok, now it's working correctly (configured again, don't know why that helped exactly but thought I try because I moved the build dir due to an error on my side in the beginning)
00:22:47pixelmaI only mean the rfms/fms lines in config.cfg
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00:23:40pixelmathe hang is still there with an own fms
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00:29:03JdGordon|pixelma: bah, ok... I dont know how much time ill have untill next week to fix it though
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01:20:31Blue_DudeNoticed a bug where wav files don't resume, they just start over. This is a change since the wav file update a couple of weeks ago.
01:26:47Blue_DudeBug report is in FS #11077.
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02:43:50CIA-5New commit by funman (r25029): Sansa AMS: do not pretend we can power off the tuner
02:43:55CIA-5New commit by funman (r25030): si4700 tuner: put the tuner to sleep at init ...
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05:47:47AtempHello all
05:49:04AtempI've got a Mountpoint problem and was wondering if someone could help me?
05:50:05AtempThis prob won't let me run the Rockbox Utility
05:52:47AtempAnyone around? I'd be most grateful....
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06:03:45Unhelpfulwhat happens when you try to run it? and what OS are you using?
06:06:30AtempOK, I get an Undefined instruction at XXXXXXX when running Rockbox
06:06:56AtempAnd get a Mountpoint not found when running the rockbox utility
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06:07:06AtempOS is WinXP
06:07:22AtempDevice is iPod Nana 1G
06:07:31Atemper Nano that is
06:08:09AtempThe device is recognized and given a drive letter
06:08:25AtempAlso, the Apple firmware boots fine and works
06:09:17AtempWhen first connecting it, the iTunes program says that the iPod needs to be reformatted for Windows
06:09:33AtempBut, I don't want to lose all the music on it
06:09:48Unhelpfuland did you do that? rockbox doesn't support mac-formatted ipods.
06:10:19AtempDidn't do and the iPod isn't Mac formatted
06:10:33AtempDon't even have a Mac here
06:11:15AtempAnd thanks very much for helping me!!!
06:11:54Unhelpfulif it's not mac-formatted, why would itunes say it needs to be reformatted for windows?
06:12:02AtempDon't know
06:12:27AtempI think that some Rockbox files are corrupt
06:13:00Unhelpfulthat shouldn't make itunes think that it needs to format the device.
06:13:03AtempWhen ROckbox last worked, it was reindexing the songs and crashed
06:13:11AtempYes, I know
06:13:38AtempBut, should I accept the reformat, I would wipe out all the music, right?
06:14:18Unhelpfulah, so rockbox *has* worked on the device?
06:14:19AtempI've cleared the config (method described in FAQ)
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06:14:42Unhelpfulperhaps you need to run a filesystem check on the nano? maybe the crash left the filesystem in a bit of a mess
06:14:43AtempYes, rockbox worked for a long while
06:15:00AtempYep, but how to do so nondestructively?
06:15:30AtempThough given a drive letter, windows doesn't see files on the device
06:15:37Tomiscopy the contents off, reformat, copy the contents back?
06:15:58AtempI would do so, but can't see files in Windows
06:16:10Tomisdoes it show folders?
06:16:30AtempIt just is given a drive letter, but you can't see anything there
06:16:46Tomisyea it's probably corrupted somehow then
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06:17:15AtempAlso, the rockbox utility recognizes the device, but gives the Mountpoint not writeable error message
06:18:02AtempSo, I need to do some file recovery, but how?
06:18:22AtempWhat tools are needed?
06:19:44Unhelpfulyou should probably be able to right-click on the drive to check the filesystem.
06:22:14AtempI did that and it shows a it as "Removable Disk" with filesystem RAW
06:22:33AtempDoesn't give accurate free/used space
06:24:09AtempNow in the Properties dialog, I can get info by going to the Hardware tab
06:24:20Atempand selecting Apple ipod USB device
06:25:23Atempthere the Properties of that show (after Populating the volume)
06:25:36Unhelpfulugh, that's a baaaad mess. for whatever reason, apple's firmware is still able to read the filesystem, but windows doesn't even recognize it as *being* a filesystem. that's why itunes wants to reformat, and why you can't see files, i would think.
06:26:17Atempas a Removable disk with MBR (Master Boot record) file system
06:26:45AtempHow should I fix it?
06:27:33AtempShould I just reformat or ???? I'd really like some kind of nondestructive fix if possible
06:27:41AtempAt least a try
06:28:44AtempMaybe some of the low level utilities in something like Hiren's Boot CD, eh?
06:29:28AtempBut I was hoping someone here knew of some sprcific utilities to try that might have a better chance
06:30:50Unhelpfula linux boot/recovery cd might be your best bet - one with utilities for trying to salvage partition-table information if the table is damaged, although i don't see how that could have happened.
06:32:51AtempThat's helpful
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06:33:02AtempI'm not sure what happened either
06:33:12subassyhello everyone
06:33:31subassyseems to be a popular room!
06:34:06Unhelpfulmore likely the MBR and partition table is OK but the filesystem is bad. in that case fsck should clear things up (hopefully). or if you can figure out how to check the filesystem under windows, but windows seems to be convinced there isn't one.
06:34:10AtempYeah, some of these nice people are trying to help me recover my corrupt Rockboxed ipon nano
06:34:29subassyoh...sounds bad
06:34:34AtempWhat I can do is this...
06:35:38Atempright click the Removable Disk F:
06:35:50Atempand go to Tools
06:36:06AtempTHere I could select error check or defrag
06:36:15AtempNot sure if it'll work
06:36:27Atempor if those are recommended
06:36:41AtempMight be better with a Linux boot CD
06:36:44Unhelpfulerror check. defrag probably won't even work. :/
06:37:29AtempBetween doing error check within Windows or Linux Boot CD, which should I try?
06:37:48AtempBecause that's the choice in front of me now
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06:38:40AtempThe documentation and FAQs don't go into this
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06:39:11AtempHaven't been able to find much helpful on forums either
06:39:43Unhelpfulerror check could be worth trying... not really sure. :)
06:39:53Tomishonestly in the time it has/will take you do to all these diagnostics you could have finished reformating and re-syncing the device
06:40:22AtempGood point, but it's more complex than that
06:40:43AtempDevice with the songs is unaccessable now (long story)
06:41:08AtempSo unsure if that's an option soon
06:42:45AtempThat's why I'm taking this particular path
06:43:04Atempof (attempted) recovery
06:45:46subassyi have a probably quick and/or dumb question if I can get in here, well possibly more than one actually :-)
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06:47:07subassyfirst one: What is that feature called that allows a track to be picked up exactly where it left off the last time, even after the device is turned off? or is that device-specific? (I've only installed rockbox on the one device)
06:47:38LloreanThat's not really called anything beyond simply "resuming playback"
06:48:25subassyoh, i have trouble finding player software that will list this feature one way or another (I listen to a lot of hour+ podcasts)
06:49:24subassythe reason I ask is i just purchased a zipit and wanted to use it as an MP3 player. I put linux on it and now i'm seeking an mp3 player with that feature....guess i should just buy an mp3 player sure...
06:49:24LloreanWell, Rockbox works the same on all players it runs on in regard to that.
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06:49:42subassyanyway doesn't look like the zipit would be something rockbox would be ported to
06:49:43LloreanPlease don't ask questions about non-Rockbox stuff in here, it's not what the channel's for.
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06:52:32subassyokay my rock-box related question is: is it impossible to some how run rockbox on top of an embedded device that's not really supported? I mean the zipit is completely open. just write a linux image to memory card and boot it pretty much...seems like it would be relatively easy to port rockbox to something liek that
06:52:36subassyor i'm way off
06:52:38Atempok, thanks for the help...looks like I have a project here
06:53:16Unhelpfulsubassy: portions of rockbox (drivers) need to be written for each supported device, so no, there's no such thing as running it on a non-supported device.
06:53:18Lloreansubassy: "rockbox as an application" is something many of us would like someone to step up and put the effort into
06:53:24Unhelpfulalso rockbox isn't linux. ;)
06:54:30LloreanRight now it's firmware, and is the operating system. So a lot of changes would need to be made for it to run as a more straight application. As it stands it's possible to compile binaries of it that can be run on various OSes but they're player simulators, and are extremely non-ideal in terms of UI and other things for use as a straight player.
06:55:18subassyah of course...thank you you have actually been quite...helpful
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07:07:24pixelmahmm Atemp left but I often read that chkdsk on Windows is better for finding and fixing filesystem problems
07:08:34pixelma(just saying because someone recommended a Linux live CD to him)
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10:22:38n1shmm, that tab removal commit severly broke the whitespace in tremor
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10:30:33gevaertsBagder, Zagor: can you download and put it on the server? There's a bug in the release build script that makes it skip that one
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10:48:11CIA-5New commit by nls (r25031): Fix broken whitespace after r24862
10:49:07gevaertsB4gder: ping as well (if you're not highlighted on Bagder)
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10:57:12B4gdergot it, will fix soonish
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11:26:44B4gderfixed now
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11:31:36merbztwhat is the link to the new mdct tryout branch and wiki page
11:36:14merbztgood, both my codecs are ported :)
11:36:20merbztand nice to see it merged
11:38:48*rasher sees a few TODOs marked done
11:38:54rasherSurely those should go under progress, then
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11:44:25stripwaxmerbzt - right, the mdct branch is no longer active - everything is in trunk. we may in future do some experimentation back in branch, but more likely not (as branch now very stale)
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15:57:22orby_does anyone have a compiled bootloader that will work for the clip_v2?
15:57:51orby_i already spent half a day...
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16:14:28funmanorby_: bootloader hasn't been tested on clipv2 afaik, there's not much point into running one at this stage
16:18:35orby_hmm ... i read in the abi-forums something like "while Clipv2 firmware patching has been tried a lot of times with 100% success, Clip+ firmware patching already resulted in 2 bricks.
16:19:05funmanfirmware patching works, that doesn't mean we can patch it with a working bootloader
16:19:10orby_in fact the guy's name was funman :D
16:19:17orby_hmm ok
16:19:36funmandoes the bootloader give you a message ? (PANIC or something)
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16:20:02orby_i couldnt compile one so i couldnt try
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16:29:56pamauryWhat are the sampling rates supported by rockbox (for PCM) ?
16:30:07pamauryIs it device dependent ?
16:30:25kugelfunman: I already enabled dbop, so I'm not sure why my lcd driver doesn't work
16:30:41funmanpamaury: look at export/pcm_sampr.h
16:31:15funmankugel: does the button led work?
16:31:31kugelfunman: no, only (weak) backlight so far
16:33:12kugelthe lcd driver should be really almost the same to the fuzev1 one, except for a slightly different ams_dbop_init
16:33:20funmankugel: perhaps pclk isn't fast enough ?
16:33:39kugelwhat's it currently?
16:34:00funman24MHz i think
16:34:12kugelhm, that seems possible then
16:35:00funmanhm no we set the divider bits
16:35:05funmanbut they might be incorrect
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16:37:42kugelalso, some interrupt fired and made it freeze. I needed to disable interrupts to even get to lcd_init_device()
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16:38:49funmanhm perhaps we'd need to disable peripherals in CGU_PERI
16:40:28kugelthe interrupt came between lcd_clear_display(), in the loop where the lcd framebuffer zero'd
16:41:01funmanhow did you know it was an interrupt ?
16:41:08funmandisabling/enabling backlight?
16:42:07kugelwell I assume it was an interrupt, because disable_irq() helped :)
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16:57:35pamauryWhat is number of bytes in one PCM audio subframe ? (I'm trying to implement usb audio but I know nothing about the audio part :))
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17:03:33funmanwhat's a subframe?
17:04:45pamauryin usb audio terminology, a frame contains subframes (as many as the number of channels) and a subframe contains the actual pcm data for a channel
17:05:09pamauryIs is 16-bit here for a subframe and 2x16-bit for a frame ?
17:05:55funmani guess yes
17:06:46funmani can't find where sample size is set to 16 bits though
17:07:06pamauryare all 16-bits used or is it a weird thing like 14 or 15-bit ?
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17:11:07dionoeaaccording to firmware/pcm.c it's 2x16 bits and all 16bits are used
17:11:08linuxstbpamaury: describes it. I would expect "bits per sub-frame" to be defined in the header somewhere.
17:12:22pamauryI'm already using this document but for PCM it doesn't define anything, I still have to set the "bit resolution" and "bytes per subframe"
17:12:56dionoea16 and 2 sound like decent values to try
17:13:57pamauryok. I won't have an answer before some time but that sounds reasonable
17:13:57linuxstbYes, Rockbox's PCM drivers expect 16-bit stereo
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17:16:35dionoeapamaury: are you planing on using the dap as an audio source or audio output device?
17:16:59pamauryfor know, it's open but for a starter, as an audio output device
17:17:58pamauryut I'm mainly reading the doc, implementing usb descriptors and requests, trying to get usb iso works and then I'll think about this *detail*
17:18:38dionoeahehe ok.
17:19:14pamauryI was shocked when I saw that Linux only implemented usb audio v1 and that v2 was only at the reviewing/patch stade
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17:24:50kugelpamaury: stopped working on mtp?
17:25:03kugelor the usb simulator driver?
17:25:15pamauryno :)
17:25:30pamauryFirst of all, I'm don't like to work on the same thing all the time
17:26:18pamaurySecond, my computer is currently half broken and before I get a new one, I don't window available which makes it hard to test mtp (linux mtp sucks) and I don't want to reinstall everything to trash it in 2 weeks
17:26:24pamauryAnd usb simulator driver works actually
17:26:46pamaury(As far I as know)
17:27:13pamauryPerhaps I should eventually commit it because with the ifdef hell, it goes out of sync quickly I think
17:28:21pamauryAlso, basic MTP was nearly working when my computer crashed (file browsing and metadata reporting)
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17:45:09CFPHello world!
17:46:06CFPI've been wondering: has there been any progress/updates on lately?
17:46:26CFPkkurbjun: did you recently worked on the code?
17:47:07CFPI've been considering the possibility of trying to patch my own gigabeat, but I'd rather not brick it :)
17:47:48gevaertsCFP: if it reports that it's safe for you, it is
17:48:29gevaertsIf not, upload the files and kkurbjun might give more advice :)
17:48:33CFPgevaerts: ok, thanks :)
17:49:06CFPIt does build against the current SVN, doesn't it?
17:49:35gevaertsit's a plugin, so if not, it should be easy to fix
17:49:44gevaertsI wouldn't try a self-compiled bootloader though
17:50:06CIA-5New commit by lenzone10 (r25032): Updated italian translation.
17:51:15gevaertsi.e. use the bootloader.bin from the task
17:51:57CFPgevaerts: ok, I see. I'll boot my linux then, and report on the task.
17:52:04CFPgevaerts: Thanks!
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18:04:12pamauryHum, e200 supports only one hardware pcm sample rate ?
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18:10:23linuxstbpamaury: Seems to be - either the hardware only supports that, or the Rockbox audio driver only supports that...
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18:14:10pamauryhaha, my device correctly reports as a usbaudio one ! But it doesn't do anything :)
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18:16:35cfphmmmm, my gigabeat wasn't recognized
18:16:41cfpanuthing that I can try?
18:17:11pamaurygevaerts: is there a way to report usb strings with the current usb code ? It seems to me that only usb_cor can do that properly, no ?
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18:22:49gevaertspamaury: hm, true. You might want to fix that :)
18:23:26pamauryIndeed, if I finish my usbaudio thing, perhaps it will have this feature, even though it's not mandatory
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18:25:06cfpgevaerts: is there a risk if I modify the patch to accept my of version?
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19:37:36pixelma_bluebrother: is there a way to create talk files for a certain device "offline" - I mean that the device itself is not connected (so you can prepare the clips already on your computer, or in my case on the MMC in my Ondio...)
19:38:34LloreanDon't you just need the .rockbox folder?
19:39:14pixelma_so I copy it to my MMC (maybe the rockbox-info.text does)?
19:39:36*pixelma_ grumbles about Macs
19:41:03pixelma_the Ondio's USB bridge only allows access to one at a time - either the internal memory or a plugged card
19:42:08pixelma_and the .rockbox folder is hidden by default on MacOS
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19:51:53pixelma_hmm, doesn't RbUtil come with an MP3 encoder?
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20:00:31*pixelma_ didn't want to compile a lame for this Mac :\
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20:04:46gevaertsIf the ondio only allows USB access to one device at a time, shouldn't rockbox handle that by allowing playback to continue from the non-USB device? :)
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20:08:24pixelma_handle what?
20:09:26gevaertsI mean, is there a good reason for not being able to e.g use plugins while you're accessing the card over USB?
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20:18:34pixelma_if someone knows Macs well, it would be nice if he could get a hint where a lame binary could have been installed to so I can test mp3 talk file creation on this Mac
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20:27:05linuxstbpixelma_: Do you mean that you've installed lame, but you don't where it was installed to?
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21:11:26pixelma_linuxstb: yes, and RbUtil asks for the path
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21:27:32linuxstbpixelma_: Does typing "which lame" in a terminal show it?
21:29:19linuxstbDid you download the source code and compile yourself?
21:29:47pixelma_no, I downloaded a binary. I just wanted to quickly test RbUtil :(
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21:45:11bluebrotherpixelma_: you can trick Rockbox Utility to install in any location you want to −− just put the path in the mountpoint line
21:45:25pixelma_hah, bluebrother: talk file creation for mp3 voice targets works here on the Intel Mac
21:45:36pixelma_so the problem seems to be in rbspeexenc
21:46:21bluebrotherpixelma_: ok, that's great news. At least from the viewpoint of my TTS class working as expected :)
21:46:39bluebrotherthe problem is how to debug the rbspeexenc issue :/
21:47:40bluebrotherthis also means that voicefile creation has been broken in the past too.
21:48:01*bluebrother is really puzzled why rbspeexenc works fine on 10.6 but not on 10.4
21:48:17pixelma_bluebrother: sorry, I didn't understand your installation statement, I just wanted to create voice files on the MMC and then the Ondio is not present but I have to tell RbUtil somehow which target it should create the talk files for (mp3 vs. speex)
21:48:48gevaertsbluebrother: I'd expect the problem to be ppc vs intel, so probably an endianness issue, rather than pure 10.6 vs 10.4
21:49:01pixelma_gevaerts: yes and no
21:49:52pixelma_the broken talk files for my M5 were made on the Intel... on PPC voice encoding made RbUtil hang completely
21:49:56bluebrothergevaerts: yes, I expected that too.
21:50:44*pixelma_ would still have to try the Ondio on the PPC
21:51:00bluebrotherpixelma_: talkfiles should be completely independent, i.e. you should be able to point it to any folder. The problem is that it insists on having a valid mountpoint (though it should work if that is simply an empty folder)
21:51:35bluebrothergevaerts: probably it's related to cross compiling for 10.4 on 10.6.
21:51:59pixelma_but how would RbUtil know if it shall create mp3 or speex? And it still had the saved M5 configuration from yesterday
21:52:08bluebrotherpixelma_: oh, and rbutil will write a log file on the "mounted" device.
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21:52:51bluebrotherthe configuration is saved by means of the systems way of saving configuration files −− ini files on windows and linux, not really sure about OS X.
21:53:38bluebrotherthe format is figured by the target selected, so if you choose an archos device it will create mp3
21:55:45pixelma_it didn't let me chose the OndioFM first when just the MMC was connected (saying it was no valid mount point)
21:56:35bluebrotheryou need to put an exsisting and writeable folder in the mountpoint selection. It doesn't need to be your player (but don't tell users about that ;-)
21:57:01bluebrotherI assume that the mountpoint was the "old" mountpoint of the m5 or ondio, while the mmc got a different one by the OS
21:59:48pixelma_so if I chose the MMC - how would RbUtil know it has to create mp3 now?
22:00:51bluebrotherit knows because you also chose the Ondio in the configuration dialog :)
22:01:21bluebrotherthe target selection is independent of any files on the player, i.e. rockbox-info.txt (that is needed for voicefile creation but not for talk files)
22:02:37pixelma_huh, didn't know I could do this independently :/
22:04:54bluebrotherthere are various cases where Rockbox Utility isn't as straightforward as I'd like it to be. Configuration is on of those.
22:05:12bluebrothermaybe writing a short users guide _would_ make sense. Hmm.
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22:07:17pixelma_the talk files are also created without problem for files with umlauts in their names (what you asked about first ;) )
22:09:41bluebrotherok. So the remaining questions are about rbspeex and ppc crashes. hmm.
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22:17:38saratogawe have permission from the ffmpeg fft author to relicense his contributions to BSD
22:17:48saratogaso imo we should get our tremor back to being pure BSD
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22:18:11saratogaand then start merging it back to upstream
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22:37:47CIA-5New commit by saratoga (r25035): Remove unused GPL code from ffmpeg mdct library in order to restore it to LGPL.
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22:41:20saratogaoh that last commit probably broke wma
22:43:33Bagderwma indeed
22:49:42CIA-5New commit by saratoga (r25036): Fix red by moving fsincos back to libwma
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23:00:16saratogalooking at my local copy, there is a new line at the end of the file
23:01:27saratogabah apparently a space and a new line isnt good enough
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23:42:30pixelmahmm... I get an "stkov main" when selecting properties on any file on my M5. That's a build with the radio skin patch though - not sure if it matters
23:43:31pixelmaand an FM enabled build...
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