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#rockbox log for 2010-03-12

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00:22:52soapA question regarding the forums: Can normal users view threads in the trash if I feed them a link?
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00:27:02scorchesoap: no
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00:28:05soapI ask because after two weeks I deleted that PSP GO thread from "new ports". Lord_Askula (or whatever his name is) has not viewed the thread since before I posted my intention to delete.
00:28:49soapI was going to PM him (?) a link to the deleted thread if he wanted further clarification as to my reasoning, but I guess I'll need to make it a wordy PM.
00:36:46pamauryhehe, I have working usb isochronous transfers on my e200 :)
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01:11:53funchelp me
01:12:16krazykitfunc, it's hard to help you if you don't say what the problem is
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01:12:22funcHow do I insert my husbands penis into my vagina?
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03:25:40saratogais our GSOC app in? IIRC they're due tomorrow
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04:20:06scorchesaratoga: no, not yet...i will put it in tomorrow before the deadline though
04:20:13scorcheassuming Bagder doesn’t show up..
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04:58:47saratogaare there any current rockbox targets that detect when a line out device is plugged in before enabling it?
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05:11:42*n1s wonders if Buschel's mpc changes will slow it down on cf...
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07:53:11Buschelnls: r25126 does not change anything at all. r25127 from coldfire side of view removed IRAM_ATTR from 5 data arrays that are used by 2 functions. those functions are called seldom in the decoding process and should not have a measurable effect on speed.
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08:03:58amiconnBuschel: On CF you should use IRAM mainly for data. Putting code into IRAM has much less effect, i.e. do it only if *all* data is in iram already and there's still some iram left
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08:04:30amiconnThis is because (our) CFs have an instruction cache only
08:04:48Buschelamiconn: yes, that is why my last changes did not move code to IRAM on coldfire.
08:05:09amiconnBut they move some data out of iram
08:05:59Buschelyes, but for data that is used very seldom. imho this is a good trade-off: faster for PP, un-measurebale slower for cf
08:06:36*Buschel wonders if somebody should simply re-measure on cf to stop this discussion ;)
08:07:07*amiconn would always re-measure affected targets *before* committing such changes
08:08:40amiconnI also think there's nothing that speaks against a split
08:09:48amiconn(keeping that data in iram on SoCs which profit from it)
08:10:56Buschelyes, that's of course possible
08:12:51Buschelmaybe someone with a cf target can measure the codec performance of r25127 against r25126. afterwards we will know the real effect. can you, amiconn?
08:17:35amiconnProbably not today
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08:22:51Buschelamiconn: this is the split you were talking about ->
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08:34:26BuschelI will commit the split this evening. see you
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09:56:56pamaurygevaerts: ping
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10:26:47CIA-5New commit by zagor (r25128): Close socket before sleeping.
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10:49:45CIA-5New commit by zagor (r25129): Exit instead of retrying.
11:00:44ZagorImportant: I need all build client admins to kill (restart)
11:05:46rasherCan't you kill them remotely? (and hope they return)
11:08:12Zagorno. they've gotten stuck on a bug that makes them not read from the socket anymore. or rather, not read _new data_ from the socket.
11:12:25gevaertspamaury: pong
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11:18:29*rasher wishes to thank b0hoon for the care in updating all the langs when adding the Packard Bell Vibe 500 to the langfiles
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11:34:49pamaurygevaerts: Yesterday I managed to make isochronous transfers works on my e200 (the usb arc drivers). Do you prefer that I commit the code now even it's not completely tested (but does not interfere with non-iso transfers) or do you prefer to review it/wait to more tests ?
11:36:40gevaertspamaury: is it guarded by #ifdefs, or if not is that easy to do?
11:37:01gevaertsIn general I'd say commit though
11:37:30pamauryit's not gaurded by #ifdef but I changed really really few places and it's doesn't change anything for non-iso code
11:38:16gevaertsIf you trust it to not break anything, go ahead!
11:38:22pamauryPerhaps I should add a USB_HAS_ISOCHRONOUS_TRANSFERS also, no ? (just like interrupt)
11:39:22pamauryI don't to which devices the usb-arc extend so where should I put such a define, if it were to define ?
11:39:57gevaertsCONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_ARC
11:40:13gevaertssee firmware/export/config.h
11:40:31pamauryI'll commit this in a few minute if everything is ok
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11:43:09pamauryThere are still some things to tweak. I'm not a usb isochronous expert so I don't fully understand this nb_iso_packets/frames thing.
11:43:50gevaertsYou'll have to become one then :)
11:44:04gevaertsAt least I've never really touched isochronous either
11:45:18pamauryHum, is 512-bytes the maximum bulk transfers packet size for high-speed or is this rockbox specific ?
11:45:30pamauryBecause for iso I think it's 1024 (or 1023 for full speed)
11:45:53gevaertsit's the maximum, yes. Isochronous goes higher than bulk
11:45:54pamauryHum, spec says so
11:46:58pamauryThis makes the max_packet_size parameter of get_config_descriptor a bit problematic
11:48:10pamauryPerhaps there should functions for this ? like usb_core_get_max_transfer_size(int xfer_type)
11:48:14pamaury*should be
11:49:37pamauryWhat should I do ? If I set the packet size of the iso endpoint to 1024 but the drivers use 512, there'll be a mismatch between arc controller and endpoint desc. That's not cool :(
11:49:50pamauryNot sure it's problematic though
11:50:14gevaertsCan we use 512 everywhere for now until we piuck the right approach?
11:51:12gevaertsThat's *plenty* for a single 44.1kHz stereo audio channel
11:51:27pamauryyes, I'll use 512 and put a fixme
11:51:31pamauryWill fix the rest later
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11:59:36CIA-5New commit by pamaury (r25130): Add experimental support for isochronous transfers in the usb ARC driver. There are several details to tweaks however.
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12:03:43pamaurygevaerts: I also implemented an api for usb strings, are you interested or do you prefer to wait for some code that uses it ?
12:04:24wodzwhat is needed to add new target in sim?
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12:06:03gevaertspamaury: not sure. I guess it's easier to review this sort of thing if there are actual users
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12:07:04pamauryI know one user but he's kind of very similar to me :)
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12:08:09*gevaerts wonders if "Use your own best judgement" is good enough as an answer :)
12:08:21gevaertswodz: add in what way?
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12:11:11wodzgeavaerts: I added new port (target) in my tree. I am able to build some experimental bootloader. Now I poke around to build successfuly normal build (with some empty stub functions for now) and I am wondering what is needed for sim
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12:12:14gevaertswodz: I don't know the details, but I would expect that to mostly work out of the box
12:12:36wodzhmm I will try...
12:14:09wodzcan someone help me with this error?
12:14:24wodzI have mpiohd200.h not hd200.h
12:14:36wodzI used from iriver port
12:15:37Zagoryay, 15 minute build round...
12:15:49gevaertswodz: I'd suspect a wrong include in config.h
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12:16:41gevaertsZagor: on the positive side, I don't think we've hit 85% efficiency very often yet :)
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12:16:59wodzI have #include "config/mpiohd200.h" in config.h
12:17:48gevaertsis this a fully clean build directory? Maybe an old make.dep file?
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12:18:17wodzI did rm -rf * in build directory
12:19:12*gevaerts doesn't know then. Maybe something in the build system?
12:21:25wodzI greped make.dep for hd200.h and I always have mpiohd200.h
12:22:10Zagorwodz: is there not a single occurence of hd200.h in make.dep?
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12:26:08Zagoramiconn, saratoga, ender`: please kill/restart your processes
12:26:59Zagorwodz: well, something thinks you have it. I assume you've tried "make clean" already?
12:27:59Zagor"find . -name hd200.h"
12:28:44wodzfind . -name hd200.h gives no hit
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12:29:08Zagorgrep -Rl hd200.h *
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12:32:00ender`Zagor: done. what happened?
12:33:46ZagorI'm not sure. Somehow the sockets aren't reset properly, so clients see the same "_HELLO error duplicate name!" all the time.
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12:34:12CIA-5New commit by uchida (r25131): libpcm: output depth corrects for the sign 1bit. linear pcm corrects bits shift.
12:35:13wodzbut this also returns files with mpiohd200.h
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12:35:52Zagorwodz: try "grep -Rlw hd200 *"
12:36:09Zagor-w is for "whole word only", i.e. not mpiohd200
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12:41:47wodzZagor: I verified all hits from -Rlw and there are no hd200.h anywhere
12:44:10Zagorthat's just nuts. can you make clean and tar up the tree for me to look at?
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12:49:35wodzha! I found it! in tools/configure modelname = "hd200" has to be changed to modelname = "mpiohd200"
12:50:22wodzbut this makes me wondering how for example vibe500 compiles
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13:03:41notlisteningHello, has there been any work done on making rockbox an app yet?
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13:11:57amiconnZagor: done
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13:18:52Zagornotlistening: the uisimulator is basically the app
13:19:25Zagoryou "just" need to adapt and optimize for specific targets
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13:23:33linuxstbZagor: Isn't the main task of rockbox-as-an-app to create target builds in their own right that use the host OS/UI framework instead of Rockbox's? i.e. _not_ a simulator, but a new variety of "normal" target.
13:24:19ZagorI'd say it's a sliding scale. Adapting the code to a preemtive threading model, for example, would be a pretty big and tedious task.
13:25:25Zagorbut yes, I wouldn't want the native apps to simply use sdl
13:27:25Zagorbut the other end of the scale isn't terribly attractive either. such as for example an iphone UI written from scratch with just the rockbox "backend" playlist and codec
13:27:32dionoeaeven that wouldn't be possible in some cases ... like on android where you'd need to expose the rockbox core as a jni api and the write the ui in java
13:27:36wodzis there a way to not compile plugins?
13:28:00Zagorsuch a project wouldn't bring the Rockbox project forward much
13:28:57linuxstbwodz: "make bin" (see "make help" for the various options available)
13:30:09Zagordionoea: you don't actually have to write the UI in java. you only need to access the java api via java
13:30:53wodzso what is the line plugins="yes" in conifgure for?
13:30:56linuxstbDoesn't android already have its own media-playing framework?
13:31:20linuxstbwodz: To disable plugins for that target. It's normally used in the early stages of a port.
13:31:24Zagorlinuxstb: yes. but it only supports a fraction of the formats we do.
13:31:47Zagorand I haven't found any player app with anywhere near decent playlist management
13:32:01linuxstbCan a "user" extend those codecs? i.e. by installing more?
13:32:09ZagorI don't know
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13:32:11dionoeaZagor: yeah, that would be possible.
13:32:14dionoealinuxstb: no, you can't
13:32:27wodzlinuxstb: so something is broken. I have plugins="no" and files are compiled anyway
13:32:43dionoeaand you can't really access the dsp to just get the decoded buffer and process it on your own afterwards
13:32:46linuxstbwodz: Maybe try just plugins=""
13:33:01*dionoea 's porting vlc to android and would love to have more low level apis available
13:33:13dionoeayou can't even output audio in native c
13:33:15Zagorwodz: you need to run "make reconf" after changing configure
13:33:21dionoea(at least not with the public apis)
13:33:55wodzZagor: I am aware of this
13:35:04linuxstbdionoea: You mean if you use the built-in codecs, you can't post-process the decoded audio?
13:35:55notlisteningSo there is not a active movement towards appifying rockbox then ;(
13:36:02dionoeawell i haven't investigated the audio side much yet, but at least on the video side it doesn't look straightforward (it might be possible by faking a display class)
13:36:34dionoeabasically they lack a "raw data" = decode( "encoded data" ) functionality
13:36:50linuxstbnotlistening: Maybe a SoC 2010 student will attempt it (for the 2nd time, and assuming Google accept us)...
13:37:06Zagornotlistening: there's never an active movement towards anything until someone steps up and starts working on it
13:37:47dionoeawhat you can do with the java api is pass your data to a media player object. But you can't access the decoded data easily/at all.
13:38:27dionoeaand they don't provide any C api to access the dsp. (they only provide libc, a subset of libc++, libz, libm and opengl es 2.0 on the native C side)
13:38:38Zagordionoea: so I guess you (vlc) do all decoding yourself?
13:39:05dionoeayeah, at least for a start. The CPU is often powerfull enough to do the decoding.
13:39:29dionoeaffmpeg has quite a few NEON optimisations these days (and we have some in critical vlc chroma conversion modules too)
13:40:47dionoeaonce I have something decent runing on the CPU i'll see if we can somehow use the DSP ... but I'm not too confident.
13:41:00Zagordionoea: are you using opengl es for the video output?
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14:29:46dionoeaZagor: yeah, that's the plan. I haven't gotten to the point of writting the video output yet. (The first output will just use java)
14:30:06dionoeaI started the port a week ago and should have a working poc this weekend
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15:13:18Fartheni would like to request wiki editing permissions as i want to update the LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling for arm-eabi
15:14:02ZagorFarthen: sure, what's your wiki username?
15:16:19FarthenZagor: thanks
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16:16:38perfectdrugFarthen: still around? I also thought about updating LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling but you did a better job than i have could done, but it still says "There's about 50 MB to download" last time i checked the rockbox directory was 147MB in size, is it compressed while downloading or does it pull 147MB?
16:17:34linuxstbperfectdrug: Is that the size of an svn checkout? If so, then that stores two copies of everything (but I would hope svn didn't download everything twice).
16:17:59Farthenperfectdrug: i did quite nothing. but i'm not done yet. i'm still getting build errors and continue adding packages (I'm making a new toolchain on a fresh install)
16:18:23perfectdrugthat was the size after setting up svn and downloading the sources IIRC
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16:19:39Farthenwhoo. i'm getting 350M after checkout and starting to build the toolchain
16:21:07perfectdrugi guess this was after building the toolchain
16:21:42perfectdrugso maybe wrong alarm
16:21:47Farthenthe toolchain gets built in /tmp
16:22:59Farthena new checkout is 345 mb big
16:24:55perfectdrugnot that big for me though, I am not really comfortable with this things but 50MB seemed odd maybe we can leave this info out as the source grows bigger all the time
16:25:41Farthenyep. until someone builds a plugin that automatically updates this information :-P
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16:26:40Torneperfectdrug: svn data is compressed, yes
16:29:20linuxstbIt's possibly worth saying something like "you should expect to use about 500MB-1GB of disk space when working with the Rockbox source code."
16:29:33linuxstb(leaving space for some builds and maybe some sim builds...)
16:29:49Farthenwell, the toolchain also takes pretty much space
16:30:15linuxstbI'll leave you to figure out the numbers...
16:30:58linuxstbI have 4 toolchains (arm, arm-eabi, sh and coldfire) on this machine, and they take up about 145MB
16:31:54*linuxstb wonders why the eabi toolchain is less than half the size of the old ARM toolchain - do we not need all those multilibs any more?
16:32:38Tornelinuxstb: not really
16:32:50Torneeabi means there's only one FP calling convention, only one Thumb calling convention, etc
16:32:53linuxstbs/do we/does it/
16:33:04Tornethe linker fixes up for interworking where required, etc
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16:36:28kugelTorne: I always thought multilib was for generating code for the several arm versions
16:36:39Torneyes, it is also for that
16:36:47kugelmy eabi toolchain is bigger than old arm one
16:36:54Tornethere are several axes that multilib can be based on
16:36:59Tornewhat target it's compiled for is just one
16:37:09Torneeabi mostly eliminates the need to care about all the *othre* factors
16:38:00perfectdruga fresh svn checkout took 43,5 MB bandwidth so 50MB as stated is fine
16:39:23Farthenwho pays for bandwidth anyway?
16:39:59kugelare the -dev packages of gmp / mpfr really needed?
16:40:39TheSeveni think so, i also got that error while building the toolchains on a fresh install
16:40:44Fartheni tried to build arm-eabi and it failed for me
16:40:57kugelgcc states this tools are only used for the build process of gcc, and not for compilation with gcc later
16:41:10TheSevenand that thing is really confusing as the ubuntu package version doesn't have anything to do with the version from the error message
16:41:15kugelI'm thinking only the non-dev ones are needed
16:41:31Farthenthere are no "non-dev" packages
16:41:44Farthenthose are pure dev packages
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16:42:31Farthenso i better state them there so that the people don't have the same problems when installing their toolchain
16:42:54kugelI see non-dev packages for libgmp3 and libmpfr1
16:43:40rasherkugel: typically the -dev package will depend on the non-dev
16:43:59kugelyea, but not on this ubuntu apparently
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16:46:03TorneFarthen: Er, gcc does indeed need libgmp and libmpfr at runtime..
16:46:12Tornedo an ldd on cc1plus
16:46:15Torneit links to them ;)
16:46:30Torneif you are doing ldd on "gcc" then you are looking in the wrong place, that's just the frontend driver
16:47:02Torneyou need the -dev packages during building and the non-dev packages at runtime
16:47:07Torneso both of you are wrong ;)
16:47:25FarthenTorne: thanks for clearing this up ;-)
16:47:55Fartheni just tell them to install the -dev packages they can't harm anyway
16:48:16kugelTorne: I just told what the gcc docs told me
16:48:18Tornewell they do need the -dev packages to run
16:48:28Tornekugel: really? that's odd
16:48:36*Torne votes for ldd being more authoritative than the docs, tho
16:48:47*Farthen doesn't RTFM
16:49:19kugelmaybe I got it wrong
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17:10:48TorneCan we change the USB HID mode text please? :) I mentioned this before :)
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17:16:20rasherAnything else!
17:16:27linuxstbWhat does it say now?
17:16:51rasherIt just says "Multimedia mode"
17:16:59linuxstbThat's mad ;)
17:17:07TorneIt needs to say "Input device mode: Multimedia"
17:17:08Torneor something
17:17:09rasherWhich means users think the DAP is in Multimedia mode
17:17:17TorneTo make it clear that it's *nothing to do with* mass storage
17:17:18rasherWhatever that might mean
17:17:26linuxstbIt's not "USB keyboard mode" ?
17:17:28Tornerasher: Well they probably think it means MTP, if they have any clue at all
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17:17:37rasherTorne: Even worse
17:17:40Tornethe user i just replied to on the forum probably does
17:17:49Tornethey were assuming they could not drag and drop files while it was in multimedia mode
17:17:56Tornewhich matches up with user expectations from MTP
17:18:13TorneAnyway, I dunno what it should say
17:18:20TorneBut it needs to say something else :)
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17:18:34*linuxstb repeats his "USB keyboard mode" suggestion
17:18:50Tornelinuxstb: not all the modes are keyboard emulation
17:18:55TorneUSB HID does mouse emulation too
17:19:51*linuxstb should probably update his devices to a non-stoneage version of Rockbox...
17:20:20pixelmayou can cycle through different HID modes
17:20:40linuxstbWhy do we need so many HID modes? Just because we can?
17:20:51TorneWell, they're vaguely useful
17:21:02Tornemultimedia gives you the handy buttons to contrl desktop music player
17:21:16Tornewhich is likely to be interesting if you are also using the dap to store the music your pc is playing.
17:21:25Tornethe presentation mode gives you a free presentation remote :0
17:21:35pixelmalinuxstb: there are a lot less buttons on your DAP than there are on your keyboard, especially if it is a multimedia keyboard
17:21:49pixelma+ mouse movement can be done too
17:22:27TorneUSB keyboard mode isn't terrible, i guess
17:22:30Farthenhow about "usb interface"?
17:22:43Torneit might be slightly confusing to the tiny number of people who use HID
17:22:44linuxstb"interface" is quite vague
17:22:53Torneinterface is way too vague
17:23:14Farthen"usb remote control"?
17:23:28Torne"remote control mode" i quite like
17:23:50TorneI dunno if *any* of these really make it any more clear that it is doing mass storage *as well* though
17:23:56Tornemost people are not aware of HID at all
17:24:16Torneand if they are they only discovered it by accident because they touched the wheel while music was playing and deafened themselves :)
17:24:49rasherClearly what we need is a "Tip of the day" when booting Rockbox
17:25:07Tornewell, i don't care if people fail to discover HID :)
17:25:12Torneit's in the manual, as we often say
17:25:14linuxstbSo we have a setting "USB keypad mode", with values "Multimedia mode", "Presentation mode", "Browser mode" and "Mouse mode" ? And the settings value is displayed on-screen whilst in that USB mode?
17:25:21Fartheni think remote control is the right name for it because it does exactly that: remote control the computer
17:25:40rasherlinuxstb: I believe so
17:25:50pixelmaTorne: just an addition to your forum post - if the device is in HID mode it also doesn't mount on *some* OSs (e.g. MacOS 10.4) which is why the option to turn it off was added
17:25:50Tornelinuxstb: I don't think it's an actual setting
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17:26:04Tornelinuxstb: well not a visible one
17:26:08linuxstbCould we just remove "mode" from the setting value strings, and then display "USB keypad mode: Presentation" ?
17:26:15linuxstbTorne: It's in settings_list.c
17:26:21TorneYah, ok
17:26:33Torneit's just not in the menu
17:26:38Torneyou have to set it by cycling through while connected
17:26:53Tornewhich is a bit weird actually because it means you have to use a button to mean "cycle mode"...
17:26:56Tornebut that's a different issue ;)
17:27:04Torne(and one i don't *really* care about..)
17:27:10linuxstbIs it then saved in the config.cfg?
17:27:25Tornei assume so
17:27:29Tornei've not really used it
17:27:42Tornei fiddled for like five minutes when it was implemented and went "oh cool"
17:27:47Torneand then haven't had a use for it since :)
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17:27:59*linuxstb hasn't even done that...
17:29:02TorneWhat about just "Keypad: Multimedia mode" ?
17:29:09Torneforget "USB" altogether
17:29:21Torne..this is one of those nightmare user interface things
17:29:22kugelor "keybad mode: multimedia"?
17:29:27pixelmaI sometimes use my c200 to control the music player on my laptop because the latter has no multimedia buttons and it's nice if the program can stay in the background
17:29:38Tornenone of us have any particular reason to care what it says, because we know what it *means* :)
17:29:56pixelmaTorne: and how would you understand the USB HID option in the menu then?
17:29:59Tornekugel: well, whichever, but if the settings strings include the "mode" part it's easier :)
17:30:17Tornepixelma: how do people understand it now?
17:30:22Torne(hint: they don't) :)
17:30:30kugelTorne: why
17:30:49Tornekugel: well i guess it doesn't matter
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17:31:24pixelmaI wonder if it really needs a seperate setting or if it could just be one more of the modes (states) you can cycle through
17:31:43pixelma(HID off I mean)
17:31:58Tornepixelma: you can't start/stop doing HID while connected
17:32:01Torneat least i don't think so
17:32:10Torneyou can't change what USB interfaces you have without interrupting the connection
17:32:21Tornethe HID interface is just a HID interface
17:32:26Tornewe just change what symbols we emit
17:32:43pixelmaok, a pity
17:32:47Tornei guess there is a different option..
17:32:53kugelbut we could sure be in hid mode but emit nothing?
17:32:53Tornewe could default HID to off :)
17:33:12Tornekugel: Yah, but that won't work around the problems that cause you to need to disable HID to get mass storage to work
17:33:16Torneon some players/OSes
17:34:13pixelmaI even think it's important to default to HID off
17:34:37Torneyeah, I was gonna say.
17:34:47TorneIf we defaulted to it being disabled, then both those problems would probably go away :)
17:34:48pixelmaUSB data connection is something everyone expects to work, HID is a plus
17:35:00Torneusers wouldn't see the mode text unless they'd enabled it..
17:35:11Torneand it would mount for everybody ;)
17:35:20Tornewe might still want to change the text, though
17:36:29*Torne goes to look for the actual code in question so he can just change the damn thing :)
17:38:11kugeldidn't we default to hid on to get rid of the dummy driver needed for windows?
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17:38:25Torneit still does that if you disbale hid
17:38:28Tornedoesn't it?
17:38:42Tornei thought it only has the dummy device if you compile HID out entirely
17:38:45Tornei could be wrong.
17:38:46kugelI don't know
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17:39:32pixelmawould means "does it" here?
17:42:26pixelmaI mean I could answer the question because I have a Windows PC around if I knew what I should look for...
17:43:11Torneok, the lang strings include the "mode" part
17:43:33Torneso it's easier to change it to something like "keypad: multimedia mode"
17:43:45Torneso what do we want? keypad? remote control? usb input?
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17:48:51Tornealso bugger, this means it'll have to be sprintf'ed
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17:50:47FarthenTorne: just name it remote control if nobody cares anymore :-)
17:51:03linuxstbTorne: keyboard_mode_get_name() can just return the right-hand side of the ":" (as it does now). And then snprintf in usb_screens_draw()
17:51:39Tornelinuxstb: yeah, that's what i'm doing
17:51:48Tornebut then you have to pick how big the buffer should be :)
17:52:44pixelmathinking about how I would translate it, I'd think "keypad mode: multimedia" is slightly easier but it doesn't matter much
17:53:10Tornepixelma: the point is that "multimedia mode" is already translated
17:53:17Tornebecause that's what hte lang strings are at the moment
17:53:25Torneso this way adds just one more lang string
17:53:28pixelmawhy is that a problem?
17:53:34Tornewell it's not a *problem*
17:54:34linuxstbWhy do you need to add a lang string?
17:54:52Tornefor the bit before the colon?
17:55:03linuxstbWe already have "USB keypad mode"
17:55:14Torne..we do?
17:55:18linuxstb(that's why I suggested using it...)
17:55:36linuxstbIt's used in settings_list.c
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17:55:54pixelmaI prefer better understandability over ease of updating the lang strings - besides that this combining possibly doesn't work in every language or leads to worse expressions
17:56:18TorneWell, do we just want to change the English text for the existing lang strings, then?
17:56:21Torneand leave the code alone entirely?
17:56:30linuxstbpixelma: You don't like "USB keypad mode: Multimedia" ?
17:56:32pixelmaand then?
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17:57:22TorneHm, that would look stupid if anyone subsequently used that in a settings menu thouhg
17:57:32pixelmalinuxstb: I was referring to Torne's "keypad: multimedia mode"
17:57:58linuxstbTorne: What would?
17:58:14Tornelinuxstb: changing the lang strings that exist to say "USB keypad mode: Multimedia" or similar
17:58:19Tornei.e. not touching the code
17:58:21*pixelma still wonders what Windows "does"
17:59:15linuxstbTorne: My suggestion is to remove "mode" from the values of the setting, and change the code to display "Setting name: Setting value" - i.e. "USB keypad mode: Multimedia"
17:59:30TorneI'm gonna do that then, since it makes sense :)
17:59:39linuxstbWhich I think would also be fine as a real setting menu.
18:00:03Torneis it just str(LANG_USB_KEYPAD_MODE) to get the string?
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18:01:42pixelmathat would also work nicely for German I think. The only small drawback I see is that the string gets a bit longer (although moderately) and might need to scroll on small displays or with big fonts (thinking of the c200 or Clip)
18:01:47linuxstbgrep tells me that some places use ID2P(LANG_) and others use str(LANG_) so I don't understand...
18:01:56Tornepixelma: it's a scrolling line anyway
18:02:10Tornelinuxstb: yeah me either
18:02:36TorneAh right, ID2P is a special thing for settings
18:02:44linuxstbSplitting it on two lines would save the sprintf...
18:03:15pixelmayeah, but it probably doesn't need to currently in most cases. Scrolling text is harder to read and it at least takes a little longer
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18:03:25Tornethe viewport is only 1 line high though ;)
18:03:39linuxstbHow helpful ;)
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18:04:05Tornesnprintf will do, i just have to guess a buffer size :)
18:04:33*linuxstb wonders why "[USB mode]" is a hard-coded string in usb_screen.c
18:04:43pixelmawell, not sure how a 2 line high viewport will look (or the rest of the display shows the USB bitmap
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18:06:07Tornei don't understand the viewport setup stuff particularly ;)
18:06:38Tornechanging the viewport height seems harder than snprintf :)
18:06:51linuxstbYou mean all those comments in the code don't help you? ;)
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18:14:16Torne <- anyone want to comment?
18:14:20Torneor yaknow actually test it on a player
18:14:23Torne(it compiles)
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18:18:09linuxstbWhat gets displayed in UMS-only mode? Or is there no such thing?
18:18:09Tornei'll try it myself when i get home if not :)
18:18:15Torneit doesn't show anything
18:18:50linuxstbThe patch looks fine to me. I'm assuming it's OK to just change lang strings like that, and then the translators will get flagged.
18:19:14Torneyeah should be
18:19:36Tornethat's why the lang files have <source> in them
18:19:47Torneso you can tell when they were bsaed on an older version of english.lang
18:20:06Tornei'm arbitrarily assuming that 64 bytes is enough
18:20:12Tornewhich is double what it takes in english
18:20:21linuxstbIn the worst case, the string will just get truncated...
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18:21:31Tornei guess i could check, sort of.
18:21:38*Torne picks a language that uses high unicode :)
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18:22:17TheSevendid you know that not all nand chips even *support* parallel programming on different banks?
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18:25:52kugelTorne: well, other languages easily double the size of english strings
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18:26:03Tornekugel: yeah, i dunno
18:26:17kugelparticularly those involving unicode
18:26:43kugelisn't it on the stack anyway? why not pick a reasonably huge buffer?
18:26:49Torneyeah, ok
18:27:17kugelif course you could strlen the strings to get the appropriate buffer, then dynamically alloc
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18:27:53Torneno :)
18:30:06kugelwhat is isochronous transfers btw?
18:30:32*linuxstb wonders if a lcd_puts_scroll_f() type function (incorporating sprintf) would be useful - lcd_puts_scroll() copies the text to a local buffer anyway...
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18:32:26CIA-5New commit by torne (r25132): Change USB HID mode string from just "Multimedia Mode" (or similar) to say "USB keypad mode: Multimedia" (or similar). ...
18:32:45linuxstbTorne: That's the spirit - write, commit, then test... ;)
18:33:02TorneIt compiles
18:33:08Torneand I can't imagine how it could be *wrong* :)
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18:33:28linuxstbYou compiled before committing? Amateur!
18:38:01kugellinuxstb: probably, lcd_putsf() has proven to be useful too
18:39:11Torneaaaand I got a red :)
18:39:16Tornebut it looks like the build client is broken
18:39:20Torne/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmingw32
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19:01:07pixelmahmm.. bluebrother: I could see an effect on filesize when speeding the TTS setting in rbutil now and I could also hear it when hitting "Test TTS" but the voice file doesn't work on my Ondio, although I got it small enough now (it's currently even smaller than the working older voice file I kept around)
19:01:45pixelmathat's one of the boxes where talk file creation works
19:02:13pixelma(for Archos - it's on a 10.4 PPC)
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19:04:08pixelmamind you, there's also a similar difference for the speex files - a voice file doesn't work at all, while talk files "work" but aren't recognisable
19:09:19pixelmabluebrother: about the intermediate files - I have a list of qt_temp.* files without extension (two look like they could be a complete voice wav, judged by file size and some qt_temp.*.wav which are all zero byte
19:12:00pixelmathere are 3 of the big ones, these are possibly from my different tries to get the voice file smaller, the timestamps suggest
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19:36:03CIA-5New commit by Buschel (r25133): Restore musepack's IRAM configuration to pre r25127 for non PP5022/24.
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19:43:36Buschelgot the same build erros as Torne: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmingw32"
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19:44:51kugelBuschel: it appears amiconn's build client is messed up
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19:47:15CIA-5New commit by Buschel (r25134): Make atrac3 streams in wav containers work again (error was introduced with r24782). Add additional info to atrac3 debug information.
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20:00:01Buschelamiconn's build client seems to work again
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20:06:00anti[v4]hi there
20:06:20anti[v4]rbutill from svn fails to build
20:06:41anti[v4]it want to create already existing dir, and then fail.
20:07:49kugelBuschel: maybe my ping caused him to fix it :)
20:09:06saratogaare there any current rockbox targets that detect a dock connection before enabling line out?
20:10:36pixelmabluebrother: an Archos voice file created on an Intel 10.6 Mac works
20:10:59pixelmawhat could I test or check?
20:11:33anti[v4]hey! does any rbutil devs sitting here?
20:13:53linuxstbanti[v4]: I guess that will depend on what you want ;)
20:14:19anti[v4]i want to build it from svn ;)
20:14:23linuxstbHave you successfully compiled it before?
20:14:26anti[v4]but it fails
20:14:42anti[v4]i try to compile it 1st time
20:15:08linuxstbCan you post the output of "make" to ?
20:15:59anti[v4]antixpuct ~skim # wgetpaste /var/log/portage/app-misc:rbutil-9999:20100312-185419.log :)
20:15:59anti[v4]Your paste can be seen here:
20:17:00linuxstbDid you just checkout the rbutil directory? You need other parts of the Rockbox source as well nowadays.
20:17:45anti[v4]i don't checkout dir ;) i'm using gentoo ebuild from wiki...
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20:18:13linuxstbThe ebuild was contributed by someone else and isn't maintained. Looks like that's broken.
20:18:35linuxstbYou could try and fix it, or just follow the manual compilation instructions -
20:19:04linuxstbI don't think any regular rockbox dev uses gentoo.
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20:23:59anti[v4]linuxstb, i don't think, that it is ebuild trouble. it just did "./configure&&make&&make install" at all;
20:24:31anti[v4]is current svn sources compiles on your pc? :)
20:25:01linuxstbDo you have the full Rockbox source code? You should see a set of directories including "rbutil", "docs", "apps", "tools" all at the same level.
20:25:17pamauryWhat is the best way to play audio ? I want to feed the audio pipeline with data coming from usb but I'm lost. I see there is a combinaison of audio.h&pcm.h in doom for example but the wiki talks about pcmbuf...
20:25:19kugelanti[v4]: that combo doesn't work for rbutil, IIUC
20:25:41AlexPanti[v4]: For rbutil it is qmake then make
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20:26:04anti[v4]antixpuct rbutil-9999 # ls /var/tmp/portage/app-misc/rbutil-9999/work/rbutil-9999 :(
20:26:04AlexPyou don't configure/make/make install - that is the sims/Rockbox
20:26:04anti[v4]apps/ rbutil/ tools/
20:26:31anti[v4]AlexP, i know. see ebuild source, it did qmake too ;)
20:26:55kugelwe don't know ebuild
20:26:57AlexPYou just said "it just did "./configure&&make&&make install""
20:27:09anti[v4]kugel, it just bash script ;)
20:27:12AlexPwhich is wrong for rbutil
20:27:20linuxstbanti[v4]: The first error in your log was "Cannot find file ../../docs/CREDITS" - so you are at least missing the "docs" directory.
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20:29:55AlexPI'd just try doing it manually - check out the source do qmake && make - done. That way we can check if the problem is rbutil or a user generated e-build that we don't support :)
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20:32:27linuxstbanti[v4]: can you just try adding the line "subversion_fetch ${ESVN_REPO_URI}/docs docs" to the src_unpack() function?
20:32:31anti[v4]it's very strange
20:32:37anti[v4]linuxstb, i can
20:33:02*anti[v4] trying to build rbutils by hands
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20:35:57bluebrotheranti[v4]: there is no ./configure for Rockbox Utility
20:36:19anti[v4]bluebrother, i know
20:36:19bluebrotherplus, you need various folders from svn. You can find a list in rbutil/rbutilqt/
20:36:42anti[v4]see in src_compile function
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20:37:31anti[v4]it performs "qmake" and "make". When i says "./configure&&make&&make install" i mean, that it just amulates usual user actions
20:37:38bluebrotherI have no idea what "eqmake4" exactly does.
20:37:50anti[v4]it did "qmake" ;)
20:38:00bluebrotheryou might want to simply build using ...
20:38:13AlexPOr type qmake && make
20:38:22bluebrotherit creates a tarball with the resulting binary, but well ...
20:39:07anti[v4]Project MESSAGE: release
20:39:08anti[v4]RCC: Error in 'rbutilqt-lang.qrc': Cannot find file 'lang/rbutil_cs.qm'
20:39:08anti[v4]RCC: Error in 'rbutilqt-lang.qrc': Cannot find file 'lang/rbutil_de.qm'
20:39:08DBUGEnqueued KICK anti[v4]
20:39:08anti[v4]RCC: Error in 'rbutilqt-lang.qrc': Cannot find file 'lang/rbutil_fi.qm'
20:39:27AlexPanti[v4]: Ignore that
20:39:30bluebrotherthat's harmless.
20:39:55bluebrotherinteresting. The pastebin shows Qt 4.6.3, but the download page at Nokia only has 4.6.2 o.O
20:40:08AlexPbluebrother: Pretty sure I have 4.6.3
20:40:14anti[v4]me too
20:40:21bluebrotherAlexP: on arch?
20:40:44AlexPoh no
20:40:49AlexPMy mistake 4.6.2
20:40:53CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
20:40:53*anti[v4] sometime joking, that arch is userfriendly gentoo ;)
20:41:06AlexPI could have sworn I saw 4.6.3, but nevermind :)
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20:41:28AlexPanti[v4]: It is for people who have better things to do than spend half their lives watching things compile :)
20:42:04AlexPAnyway, off topic - #rockbox-community for chat
20:42:05anti[v4]gentoo supporting binary packages as well, as compiling
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20:42:27bluebrothergrrr. Why doesn't gitorious show tags?
20:42:31anti[v4]it is no need to compile for half life ;)
20:42:42anti[v4]btw, strange:
20:42:46*bluebrother is not interested in distro flamewars.
20:42:50anti[v4]it compiles fine with docs ;)
20:42:54bluebrotherat least not in this channel.
20:43:06linuxstbanti[v4]: OK, I'll add that to SVN.
20:43:13bluebrotherdocs/CREDITS is a required file.
20:43:35linuxstbAh no, it's not in SVN, it's in the wiki...
20:43:37anti[v4]why? ;)
20:43:49bluebrotherbecause it's not maintained and user contributed.
20:43:50linuxstbanti[v4]: Who was that question to?
20:43:52AlexPlinuxstb: Do we want things like that in SVN?
20:44:10linuxstbAlexP: It seems to work... I would say either put it in SVN, or delete it.
20:44:17bluebrotherAlexP: I'd say if some dev is willing to keep it up to date.
20:44:20AlexPI'd get rid of it then
20:44:23AlexPbluebrother: well quite
20:44:33rasherI don't see the problem if it goes out of date
20:44:42AlexPI think nobody would, and it'd just be another forgotten half working thing
20:44:44rasherPeople can submit patches
20:44:46linuxstbWell, it seems straightfoward to maintain, unless building rbutil changes drastically.
20:44:51AlexPBut maybe I'm being pessimistic :)
20:45:04AlexPI'm not objecting if people want to
20:45:08bluebrotherif it goes out of date what's the point in having it in svn at all?
20:45:21linuxstbbluebrother: So people can submit patches...
20:45:42AlexPThey can just update the wiki no?
20:45:59*bluebrother goes back considering to create a rpm spec :)
20:46:18linuxstbBut as I said, I don't think it's a problem to maintain.
20:46:29*linuxstb will leave it to bluebrother, as an rbutil dev, to decide though...
20:46:58bluebrotherI don't think it's ap problem either, but I fail to see the usefulness in it.
20:47:09linuxstbIt's also an executable script, and I've always thought we've had a policy to avoid having those in the wiki.
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20:50:06bluebrotherhmm, wasn't the ebuild removed from that download link table and only mentioned in the text?
20:50:19linuxstbNo idea...
20:51:10pixelmabluebrother: ideas before I leave?
20:52:05*linuxstb wishes there was a "wiki annotate" feature...
20:52:46bluebrotherindeed it was, but the guy that updated the ebuild added it again.
20:53:17pixelmabtw. (also for domonoky) - I just tested rbspeexenc+dec on the 10.4 PPC with a .wav file I recorded before (not generated by RbUtil) and get the same noise
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20:55:04bluebrotherpixelma: I could imagine that wavtrim and the other tools that are creating the voice file fail on ppc
20:55:35bluebrotherdid you have success with 10.5 intel?
20:56:06pixelmayes... well, 10.6 today
20:56:07anti[v4]i've add only "cd ${S}/rbutil" before qmake (except of "cd rbutil") ($S = workdir) and it compiling fine ;)
20:57:04pixelmabluebrother: shall I try a 10.4 Intel?
20:58:03bluebrotherpixelma: would be nice.
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21:01:36bluebrotherpixelma: ok, did I understood you correctly that 10.4 ppc produces broken voice files for archos but talk files work?
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21:07:31CIA-5New commit by Buschel (r25135): Fix playback of atrac3 joint stereo encoded files. Define the interpolation macro in the right way.
21:07:52TheSevendoes anybody have a possible explanation for FS #11091 and FS #11093?
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21:15:01pixelmabluebrother: also the hanging RbUtil with wron TTS seems to happen as follows > first have a valid TTS configuration > change TTS engine to e.g. Swift > configuration still shows ok (it contains the path to the valid, previous TTS)
21:15:11pixelmawrong too
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21:32:18pixelmaund bei 10.4 Intel gibt's bzgl. Sprachclips das gleiche Ergebnis wie bei 10.4 PPC
21:32:18pixelmabluebrother: a voice file created with a 10.4 Intel doesn't work either
21:32:31*pixelma goes home now though
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21:42:34anti[v4]can anybody replace "gentoo" string in download section in wiki with 'use "rion" overlay'?
21:42:50anti[v4]and remove string with ebuild from there ;)
21:43:51LloreanYes, anybody can.
21:44:05CIA-5New commit by theseven (r25137): Hopefully fix the latest Nano2G NAND issues. (FS #11092) Transfers for some of the chips apple is using will be slow until someone implements cached ...
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22:10:31scorcheDoes anyone have any other changes to before I submit it?
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22:13:21scorchei will probably submit it in about 30 minutes, so...
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22:15:03soapdo you want grammar check as well or only meaty changes?
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22:17:26scorchethat works too
22:18:18soap"In 2008, we were assigned 5 slots, however we accepted 4 projects (giving one back to the pool) after duplicate resolutions."
22:18:36soaphaving trouble parsing the end of that.
22:19:51soaptwo sentences later: should it not be "speakers of languages other than English" as opposed to "speakers of other languages than English"?
22:20:23scorcheduplicate resolutions is a period where students accepted to more than one org are worked out
22:20:42soapso plural is correct?
22:21:04scorcheit is acceptable, i would say
22:21:06bluebroth3rscorche: the main development ml is rockbox? Not rockbox-dev?
22:21:21scorcheand i agree with the “two sentences later part”
22:21:44scorchebluebroth3r: errr...right
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22:23:08linuxstb"a student pulling out and after having another contribute to another organization for the summer." - isn't that simply "two students pulling out" ?
22:24:16scorchejust make any change you feel is needed and if it shouldnt have been made, i will change it back
22:25:58linuxstbDo we have any idea how many students/organisations will be part of SoC this year? i.e. are we fighting for few organisation spots, or should we be confident of at least getting some students?
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22:31:21scorcheabout the same number of orgs and projects as last year
22:31:33soapdone, linuxstb, you can make that change now.
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22:39:10TheSevenThe goal would be to produce a decoders using either the best known ...
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22:44:42TheSevenTimex Clock Radio for Sannsa
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22:52:27CIA-5New commit by bluebrother (r25138): Respect the exit code of external encoder called. ...
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23:00:22amiconnEh? "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmingw32" wtf??
23:00:46*amiconn will restart that vm in a minute
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23:19:27scorchealright...then if there are no objections, i will submit the application
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23:27:13saratogalooks fine to me
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23:30:35pamauryarg, usbaudio is nearlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy working, but that's even more frustating !
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23:39:11TheSevenDamn. What should I do about FS #11092?
23:39:35TheSevenJust revert it? I don't really like to do that, but I don't see what could be the problem either
23:42:48scorche> Organization Application submitted.
23:47:12liarTheSeven: i am having similar problems since today
23:48:13TheSevenlast good/first bad revision?
23:48:48TheSevenis it also caused by those commits around 22100?
23:49:33liarits currently happening with r25114
23:50:54liari'll try the latest revision
23:51:19TheSevenyou also had that toshiba flash, right?
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23:52:20liarTheSeven: don't know, its a 2555D3EC
23:53:34TheSevenerm, that's the Samsung chip I'm also having!
23:53:59TheSevenno, wait, i have the D5EC variant
23:54:11TheSevenanyways, it's supposed to support interleaved writes
23:54:18TheSevenhow many banks do you have?
23:54:23liar(havent tried it on the A585D598 yet)
23:54:32liar4 banks
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