| 00:00:03 | amiconn | And I am asking what we would win |
| 00:00:20 | gevaerts | The common case people are trying to solve is a track with v1 tags where people ran a replaygain tool that added the replaygain tags in v2 only, but didn't copy the other tags |
| 00:00:21 | rasher | The possibility of reading people's tags |
| 00:00:28 | amiconn | Rockbox does that |
| 00:00:31 | gevaerts | at least, IIUC |
| 00:00:41 | rasher | That was my case, which I doubt is unique |
| 00:01:04 | rasher | I'm sure there are others (people accidently click a checkmark to add a v2 tag but don't fill it, etc) |
| 00:01:08 | amiconn | And how likely is it that an id3v1 conatins exactly those pieces of information which are missing in the id3v2 (if the latter is non-empty)? |
| 00:01:14 | kugel | amiconn: fix your tags and you don't get a seek |
| 00:01:17 | rasher | amiconn: non-zero |
| 00:01:43 | amiconn | I guess it's less likely than the percentage of runtime we'd be losing by doing this |
| 00:01:43 | rasher | Why *not* do it? There's literally no cost, and a non-zero chance of helping people out |
| 00:02:22 | funman | amiconn: can you measure the percentage of runtime you'd be losing ? |
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| 00:02:35 | rasher | We keep getting back to this point, and people keep going "but a seek takes battery runtime!" |
| 00:02:51 | rasher | And I keep getting more depressed |
| 00:03:04 | gevaerts | amiconn: the only tracks where you would be losing runtime without gaining useful metadata would be those that have *only* non-human-readable v2 tags like replaygain, but no title or anything like that |
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| 00:03:14 | amiconn | funman: I'm quite sure it's measurable |
| 00:03:26 | gevaerts | unless I'm missing some cases |
| 00:04:03 | funman | amiconn: well it is (measurable), but according to your detractors it is so small that it can be ignored. |
| 00:04:18 | amiconn | I can't ignore it |
| 00:05:25 | funman | amiconn: will you measure it anyway? |
| 00:05:37 | rasher | amiconn: if it shaves off more than 30 seconds of battery life for you, I'll buy you a beer. And that offer goes for all Rockbox users who can prove this. |
| 00:05:41 | funman | i can easily ignore 1% less runtime |
| 00:05:52 | gevaerts | amiconn: do you actually have mp3 files that match the criteria I mentioned, or are my criteria wrong? |
| 00:06:46 | gevaerts | i.e. *no* title, artist or album tags at all? |
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| 00:07:10 | amiconn | Well, if it tries id3v1 whenever id3v2 misses fields id3v1 could provide, I do have quite a few such tracks. And it would fail everytime, because I don't have *any* id3v1 tags |
| 00:07:12 | rasher | I have yet to see any argument beyond "well my battery life might be impacted some" against it |
| 00:07:33 | rasher | amiconn: how much battery life do you think you would lose? |
| 00:07:38 | amiconn | (id3v1 fields being title, artist, album, track number, year) |
| 00:08:02 | rasher | That's not what's being suggested though |
| 00:08:05 | gevaerts | amiconn: that's not what's being proposed. The proposal would only try id3v1 if id3v2 misses *all* of those fields. As soon as one is there, id3v1 will not be tried |
| 00:08:16 | pixelma | how would you explain why completing tag info from ID3v1 if all of title/artist/album is missing in the ID3v2 is ok, but completing or trying to if one of those is missing is not? |
| 00:08:46 | pixelma | and what about other tags? |
| 00:08:59 | JdGordon | pixelma: so the only issue with fms now is the peak meter? |
| 00:09:04 | rasher | oh for christ sake |
| 00:09:47 | gevaerts | pixelma: one missing tag is reasonably likely to be normal (i.e. some tracks aren't part of an album). Missing all of them is much less likely to be expected |
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| 00:10:37 | gevaerts | And I think that the exact list of tags to look at isn't a blocker. If people also want to look at track number, fine |
| 00:11:54 | amiconn | Hmm, my estimation says the loss would be a little less than 3 minutes of a total of 15.5 hours with 2100mAh batteries |
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| 00:12:14 | amiconn | So not that much, but it still feels technically wrong |
| 00:12:32 | Bagder | amiconn: assuming all your songs match gevaerts criteria? |
| 00:12:42 | amiconn | That's with all tracks being played requiring that extra seek |
| 00:13:05 | Bagder | that's not a very likely scenario though, if I may guess |
| 00:13:48 | JdGordon | just for the record, I dont ever remember my problems with the id3v1/2 patch being the extra seek |
| 00:13:59 | amiconn | Other values used: average current on recorder 135mA, disk access current 500mA, extra time for the seek: 200ms, 4 minutes per track |
| 00:14:52 | S_a_i_n_t | If a track is missing all of the relevant id3v1 tags, how likely is it that it will have *any* id3v2 tags? |
| 00:14:55 | saratoga | thats twice the seek time you told me before |
| 00:14:56 | pixelma | gevaerts: in theory, but that's a very very weak argument if someone asks about it and why not etc. |
| 00:15:00 | * | S_a_i_n_t is confused by this... |
| 00:15:13 | saratoga | you're becoming more pessimistic as you make your case |
| 00:15:52 | rasher | amiconn: Thanks for injecting some numbers. |
| 00:16:03 | rasher | So that's 3 minutes at the absolute worst case we could possibly ever imagine |
| 00:16:26 | Bagder | that's 0.3% btw |
| 00:16:43 | amiconn | saratoga: Maybe, but then the 500mA are a bit optimistic in turn (of course that depends on the disk model) |
| 00:16:47 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: that's not the question at all if I unders |
| 00:16:55 | gevaerts | pixelma: Do we know of people who have a significant number of tracks with mixed v1/v2 useful tags? |
| 00:16:55 | pixelma | tand you correctly |
| 00:17:26 | funman | amiconn: so is 0.3% small enough to be ignored? |
| 00:18:07 | gevaerts | it's 0.3% for people who either have been missing their title tags all the time and didn't notice, or who have no title tags at all |
| 00:18:17 | pixelma | gevaerts: I saw some very messed up tagging by other people |
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| 00:21:24 | gevaerts | pixelma: anyway, I'm not actually against reading v1 in all cases where it could provide one extra string, but I think the numbers are totally different. FS #10016 will not have any effect for people with "properly" tagged files, and a small effect for those who have semi-weird cases like v2-replaygain + v1-main-tags. Fallback for all tags would have a small effect for nearly everyone (because as was pointed out, some tags are very commonly missing |
| 00:21:41 | rasher | pixelma: I thought we didn't care what happened to people with imperfect tags. Now suddenly we do? |
| 00:22:56 | gevaerts | FS #10016 will also have a small effect for people with files with *only* replaygain (or similar) tags, but I'd expect those to be really uncommon |
| 00:22:57 | pixelma | huh? I just think we are losing arguments against them and then we do extra seeks all of the time |
| 00:23:40 | rasher | No one is suggesting to seek every time |
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| 00:32:45 | pixelma | my point was just that currently there is a clean line and you know what you can expect, after this change it's not anymore and you lose grounds if someone asks for more |
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| 00:34:11 | gevaerts | I think there's still a reasonably clean line, in that the "more" requires everyone to pay the 3 minutes as soon as they omit one single tag. |
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| 00:35:03 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25188): amsinfo: do not assume library blocks always have the same size ... |
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| 00:39:13 | funman | the Clip+ likely have a FM si4702 chip (like fuze/e200v2/clipv1/c200v2..), and a "RDA 5802" whatever it is |
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| 00:53:32 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: I even found a bug report about the nopt issue, it was closed because the workaround of rearranging the nopt worked - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10652 |
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| 01:36:10 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25189): sd-as3525v2: reduce the delay before reading response |
| 01:36:15 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25190): Clip+: si4702 FM |
| 01:38:34 | funman | (still no sound) |
| 01:40:51 | funman | hm boomshine.lua likely crashes (black screen) |
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| 01:46:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Any Nano2g owners present which are fluent in more than one language? |
| 01:46:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Or that know enough of another to tell me if my translations are working? |
| 01:46:42 | S_a_i_n_t | err...Nano1 *or 2g will do. |
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| 02:00:02 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25191): as3525: do not assume we can record from microphone |
| 02:00:22 | Speedy2 | Guys, BTW, thanks for your hardwork. I loaned my Sansa Clip with Rockbox to the GF and she liked the UI and said the sound quality was noticably better. Just wanted to pop in and say thanks! |
| 02:01:03 | S_a_i_n_t | awesome. |
| 02:03:15 | Conformist | Speedy2: sansa clip has better sound quality than what mp3 player? |
| 02:05:37 | perfectdrug_ | S_a_i_n_t: is sim ok? |
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| 02:09:39 | krazykit` | Conformist, the original firmware, presumably |
| 02:09:56 | Conformist | rockbox really improves sq? |
| 02:10:07 | Conformist | thats kewl |
| 02:10:11 | Conformist | how does it do it |
| 02:10:57 | Llorean | It's subjective |
| 02:11:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Conformist: it has a 5 band EQ...which many players lack. |
| 02:11:08 | S_a_i_n_t | that helps a LOT. |
| 02:11:12 | Conformist | oh |
| 02:11:20 | Conformist | i really like the eq settings |
| 02:11:31 | Llorean | Our decoders are different from theirs. In some cases ours is more accurate (in others it may be less). As well we may run the hardware a bit differently. |
| 02:11:47 | Conformist | wow |
| 02:11:49 | krazykit` | if the OF applies equalization or other "sound improvements", NOT doing them may improve SQ too |
| 02:11:50 | Llorean | Also some original firmware may alter sound natively, an internal EQ to "sound better" based on what they think consumers like, etc. |
| 02:12:25 | Llorean | So there are many reasons why Rockbox may sound different than the original software. "Better" is never something we can promise though, since it also may not sound different, or you may like different things than your neighbor. |
| 02:12:44 | Conformist | well i've compared like a dozen different spdif sources, and i like rockbox h120 optical output best |
| 02:13:02 | JdGordon | we go by the "Bag Of Shit" standard here... |
| 02:13:06 | funman | anyone with a clipv2 could test current bootloader/binary ? |
| 02:13:12 | JdGordon | we strive to not sound like one! |
| 02:13:14 | Conformist | i wonder if its not becuz rockbox has more well written software |
| 02:14:06 | Conformist | if i could rockbox my computer for media playback i would, i have more faith in rockbox than any media player on the computer |
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| 02:15:09 | Conformist | how much does paypal deduct if i use them to donate to rockbox? |
| 02:16:21 | funman | i think it depends of the country/currency/amount |
| 02:16:35 | funman | look up their terms and conditions perhaps |
| 02:16:44 | Conformist | ok |
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| 02:17:12 | Conformist | if they charge per transaction i'd rather once than multiple smaller donations |
| 02:17:49 | funman | i'd think one transaction is always cheaper than several |
| 02:18:13 | funman | btw i'm wondering if i should buy a clipv2 |
| 02:18:31 | Conformist | paypal charges 30 cents per |
| 02:18:37 | funman | i can work with only the Clip+ but there doesn't seem to be a lot of testers with Clipv2 |
| 02:19:13 | Llorean | funman: Have you tried looking at third-party forums to see if there are users there interested in testing? |
| 02:19:26 | Llorean | I'd bet there's a nice group of people at someplace like anythingbutipod willing to do any crazy thing you ask. |
| 02:19:42 | funman | Llorean: i was just thinking I could ask on the rockbox forums |
| 02:21:47 | Conformist | does rockbox let you donate to individual programmers or should i donate to the link at the bottom of rockbox.org? |
| 02:22:34 | Llorean | You should use the donate link. You're free to do whatever you want, though. |
| 02:22:42 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25192): Clipv2: enable FM so testers can confirm if it's detected |
| 02:22:47 | * | JdGordon sends Conformist his paypal details :) |
| 02:23:21 | Conformist | ii'll use the donate link |
| 02:23:27 | funman | Conformist: JdGordon is not a developer!! but i am one !!! |
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| 02:25:37 | * | JdGordon doesnt have a typo to fix to prove otherwise :( |
| 02:25:39 | funman | Llorean: also I assume testers should be able to build from source & edit some files, perhaps if I ask on ABI or another forum people would ask where they can get binaries etc |
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| 02:27:38 | funman | also I just see that Torne has a clipv2, and I assume he can "build from source & edit some files" :) |
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| 02:29:52 | Conformist | since im broke rockbox only gets 19$ |
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| 02:31:24 | RadicalR | Every little bit helps. |
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| 02:48:31 | saratoga_ | funman: want me to test something |
| 02:48:59 | funman | saratoga_: just see if you can get to the menu with current build (and current bootloader if you don't have one that works) |
| 02:49:10 | saratoga_ | ok will try now |
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| 02:56:47 | Speedy2 | Oh, Conformist left |
| 02:56:57 | Speedy2 | Rockbox audio quality >> Sandisk original Sansa firmware |
| 02:57:17 | Speedy2 | I have a sort of crazy question |
| 02:57:17 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25193): sd-as3525v2: prepare for multidrive builds |
| 02:57:19 | saratoga | funman: it just freezes after "executing" |
| 02:57:30 | funman | hm pbxy reported the same thing |
| 02:57:50 | Speedy2 | If I retro-fitted a Clip with the FM radio chip that supports RDS, how hard would it be to add the firmware support for it? And if I did so, would others be interested in having their clips modified? |
| 02:58:11 | Speedy2 | SiLabs makes the same version of the IC with RDS support. |
| 02:58:29 | saratoga | probably not hard but i doubt you could modify the clip very easily, the board is tiny and the traces are even smaller |
| 02:58:43 | Speedy2 | I have access to the right equipment |
| 02:58:53 | Speedy2 | I've already had it opened and fixed its guts |
| 02:59:11 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/yWPPiBLH looks really wrong to me, but I suspect it *should* work...? |
| 02:59:17 | Speedy2 | After heavy use, solder joints on the CPU crack. |
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| 03:01:44 | saratoga | funman: if you need things tested, you can ping me on gtalk |
| 03:02:10 | funman | saratoga: right now i have no idea, i suppose to get further it would require tinkering with system_init() |
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| 03:02:58 | saratoga | funman: is it radio that broke things or was it already not booting? |
| 03:03:06 | funman | it was already not booting |
| 03:03:13 | saratoga | ah ok |
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| 03:08:06 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: no reason it wouldnt.... maybe we should change the Sx/St tags to use ()'s instead of |'s |
| 03:08:11 | saratoga | doesn't rbutil install the current ams devices? |
| 03:08:34 | funman | yes it does (not sure for c200v2/m200v4 though) |
| 03:08:52 | saratoga | ah i misunderstood the wiki |
| 03:09:41 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I was thinking it would be better (easier to read) as " %Sx[String] actually |
| 03:09:56 | S_a_i_n_t | the |'s make the syntax impossible |
| 03:10:30 | JdGordon | or that |
| 03:11:48 | S_a_i_n_t | it only looks weird in a conditional though. |
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| 03:17:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Year: Unkown would be a lot better than "Unknown Year" when it comes to being translated to another langauge...no? |
| 03:18:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess this as the word order may differ in the other language. |
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| 03:32:10 | * | S_a_i_n_t Grrrrrr's at the lang string "Loading..." including the "..." |
| 03:32:20 | S_a_i_n_t | and thus, not being able to use it. |
| 03:32:50 | S_a_i_n_t | *well, not how I'd like to anyway. |
| 03:35:46 | S_a_i_n_t | "Disk" (the best alternative) doesn't seem as appropriate to display upon disk acces as "Loading" to me at least. |
| 03:36:18 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25194): sd-as3525v2: add card hotswap to sd_thread ... |
| 03:36:46 | S_a_i_n_t | and its being used in a text animation and the "..." in "Loading..." mess that up. |
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| 03:42:30 | * | S_a_i_n_t guess it would be pretty hard to convince someone to commit a patch to svn just so one word in my WPS can be translated/animated properly... |
| 03:42:32 | S_a_i_n_t | :D |
| 03:49:03 | funman | FlynDice: (for the logs) perhaps B5 enables power for µSD card, and then we can set the card bits in MCI_COMMAND/other regs |
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| 03:50:10 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: Why not use an image or icon instead of text? |
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| 04:05:44 | S_a_i_n_t | Llorean: I have an icon for disk access also, but my wps has "working; working.; working..; working..." (alternated sublines of course) as a text animation in the progress bag. And I'd like to be able to translate this, but apparently can't. |
| 04:06:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I figure it may not be immediately apparent when "working" means to a non english speaker. |
| 04:07:15 | S_a_i_n_t | but there's no "buffering" or "disk access" in the lang files either. |
| 04:07:40 | Llorean | Why not just do an animation of some sort. Rotating circle, spinning dots, or whatever, like many PC apps use to indicate "I'm doing something at the moment" |
| 04:08:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I have that at the moment, I just thought the text was a nice tough also. |
| 04:08:37 | S_a_i_n_t | s/that/spinning dot animation/ |
| 04:11:56 | S_a_i_n_t | I must say, I did expect "Buffering" to be in the English.lang file. |
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| 10:25:23 | Zagor | that's a big log. any particular time? |
| 10:25:50 | gevaerts | oops, sorry |
| 10:26:11 | gevaerts | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100314#23:15:00 |
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| 12:08:37 | Torne | funman: yeah i will test clipv2 at some point :) |
| 12:10:33 | funman | Torne: according to pbxy & saratoga the screen stops at "executing" |
| 12:11:20 | funman | if you want to hack a bit, I would put some calls to _buttonlight_on() in system_init() / main() |
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| 12:19:18 | funman | or comment the end of system_init() (only executed in rockbox.sansa, not the bootloader) |
| 12:20:24 | funman | hmm in crt0.S we use bl (when not in the bootloader) but apparently we rely on sp setup made by the bootloader |
| 12:20:51 | funman | and we don't use the same memory layout between clipv2 and other models in the bootloader |
| 12:21:32 | funman | kugel: ^ perhaps it's why the fuzev2 build fails? what's the size of fuzev2 OF firmware block ? |
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| 12:27:22 | funman | Torne: (or anyone with a clipv2) could you try r25198 current build ? (no need to update bootloader) |
| 12:28:24 | Torne | not at the moment, i'm at work and haven't even installed hte bootloader yet |
| 12:28:31 | funman | oops I forgot something |
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| 13:51:24 | pamaury | gevaerts: see FS #11108 for usb audio |
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| 13:53:06 | linuxstb | pamaury: Did you manage to decipher the pcm format? |
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| 13:58:37 | pamaury | I made some tests and a early conclusion is that it is normal signed 16-bit pcm data. I believe the problem has to do with iso transfers: the core can't keep up and misses packets. But as packets are not aligned on samples, the result is...horrible |
| 13:58:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: thanks! I'll have a look at it later |
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| 13:59:12 | pamaury | gevaerts: the code is horrible, close your eyes when reading it ;-) |
| 13:59:18 | pixelma | does uchida's commit mean that now only the remote keys are simulated in an M3 sim and not the main target's anymore? |
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| 14:00:20 | pixelma | ah no, I think I see now |
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| 14:02:43 | funman | they would require individual changes, no? |
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| 14:05:05 | pixelma | well, interesting would especially be the X5 and M5 since they use the same remote, the main targets button layout differs from the M3 though |
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| 14:21:54 | funman | ranmachan: there is likely a buffer overflow in recording code |
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| 14:39:10 | funman | any reason why album_art.* is in the recorder/ folder ? |
| 14:39:38 | linuxstb | "recorder" historically also means "bitmapped targets" |
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| 16:18:24 | funman | ranmachan: can you enable logf and still be able to read the logf buffer after starting recordign? (perhaps you need to return early from enc_set_parameters) |
| 16:26:10 | amiconn | funman: It would be better to check for HAVE_NEGATIVE_LCD in lamp.c |
| 16:26:56 | funman | right |
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| 16:34:43 | pixelma | what does the HAVE_LCD_INVERT do then? |
| 16:35:07 | funman | i wanted to use CONFIG_LCD == LCD_SSD1303 instead of defined(SANSA_CLIP) || defined(SANSA_CLIPV2) || defined(SANSA_CLIPPLUS), but the blue/yellow screen isn't tied to the controller |
| 16:35:17 | funman | pixelma: reset it to the default state if it was changed in the settings |
| 16:36:09 | pixelma | hmm... probably the OLED display is not really "inverted" in that sense |
| 16:36:23 | pixelma | although it looks like it is |
| 16:36:51 | funman | well it just has no backlight |
| 16:38:39 | amiconn | HAVE_LCD_INVERT indicates a feature, HAVE_NEGATIVE_LCD indicates a property |
| 16:39:22 | pamaury | Isn't it known bug that the database build hang when there are no media files on the dap ? |
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| 16:45:02 | kugel | pamaury: yes |
| 16:46:51 | pamaury | and nobody tried to fix it ? Are they FS report about that ? |
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| 16:48:48 | pixelma | pamaury: yes |
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| 16:55:10 | splashote | hey there, how can i deactivate the "mouse mode" it seems as if I can't reinstall rockbox on my e200 due to that |
| 16:55:47 | saratoga | yeah theres an option for it |
| 16:57:23 | pixelma | USB HID option in the General Settings > System |
| 16:57:51 | splashote | saratoga: ok, i found it in the configuration. after all i think it's not responsible for the error in during the reinstallation |
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| 16:58:27 | saratoga | yeah i think its only a problem on some buggy versions of macos |
| 16:59:15 | splashote | the utitlity says that i has no direct access to the "disk"... why could that be? do i have to start the player with the original firmware in order to reinstall rockbox? |
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| 16:59:36 | funman | splashote: make sure you run with administrator privileges |
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| 17:00:48 | splashote | hm, the utility doesn't start when i try to run it as an admin (running ubuntu here) |
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| 17:01:02 | splashote | i don't think i started it as an admin when i installed it.. |
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| 17:01:41 | splashote | i'll try with the original firmware running |
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| 17:01:49 | saratoga | i doubt it can patch your player without root access |
| 17:01:51 | funman | sudo ./rbutilqt # should do the trick |
| 17:02:24 | saratoga | but if you can mount the device in rockbox USB mode I wonder what exactly you're hoping to accomplish in the OF? |
| 17:05:02 | splashote | i messed up the config and just want to reinstall rockbox. the sudo stuff works, thanks! |
| 17:05:19 | gevaerts | You can just reset the configuration then |
| 17:05:24 | Torne | reinstalling rockbox won't reset the configuration |
| 17:05:38 | Torne | just rename or delete the configuration file |
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| 17:06:14 | splashote | ok,ill do so. I'm checking out the podcast tagging function. where to run " #! rockbox/tagbrowser/2.0 "? |
| 17:06:31 | saratoga | and if you just want to reinstall rockbox (which won't reset anything) you can just unzip a new build to the player without even needing sudo |
| 17:07:42 | splashote | saratoga: great! |
| 17:07:51 | ranmachan | funman: I enabled DEBUG and LOGF using configure |
| 17:08:11 | ranmachan | Now it doesn't crash, instead it says 'The disk is full' |
| 17:08:26 | ranmachan | And Debug log is completely empty?! |
| 17:08:36 | splashote | ignore my last question, i figured it out. |
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| 17:08:56 | funman | you need to add #define LOGF_ENABLE in pcm_record.c before including logf.h |
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| 17:12:40 | splashote | there is no tagnavi_custom.config in /.rockbox |
| 17:13:33 | funman | hum I see some evidence that iram is bigger on Clip+ : OF accessing 0x8106xxxx |
| 17:17:50 | splashote | i want to creat a podcast tag but the /.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config file is nowhere to find. |
| 17:20:18 | Torne | of course not, it's the *custom* tagnavi configuration file. You create it to customise the navigation.. |
| 17:20:43 | ranmachan | thread pcmrec start\000audio_close_recording\000audio_close_recording done\000audio_init_recording\000audio_init_recording done\000audio_close_recording\000audio_close_recording done\000audio_init_recording\000audio_init_recording done\000audio_set_recording_options\000audio_set_recording_options done\000enc_set_parameters\000enc sampr:8000\000chunk size:4112\000resbytes:0\000num chunks:1044054\000enc size:4293150048\000fnq files:20", '\000' <repeats 1599 |
| 17:20:45 | splashote | Torne: ok, did so and it works. sry, new to rockbox configuration. |
| 17:22:04 | funman | ranmachan: can you logf bufsize ? the enc size looks 'a bit' high |
| 17:23:18 | ranmachan | AFAICS "enc size" _is_ bufsize :) |
| 17:23:32 | ranmachan | Ah, wait |
| 17:23:55 | ranmachan | It's a local variable called bufsize |
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| 17:27:16 | ranmachan | Ok, I added logf for all variables used to calculate bufsize, let's see... |
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| 17:34:55 | ranmachan | funman: (enc_buffer - pcm_buffer) is too big. enc_buffer=0x30356700, pcm_buffer=0x301518E0 |
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| 17:39:39 | ranmachan | funman: #define PCM_NUM_CHUNKS 256 /* Power of 2 */ |
| 17:39:40 | ranmachan | #define PCM_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 /* Power of 2 */ |
| 17:39:43 | ranmachan | Thats 2MB! :) |
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| 17:41:55 | funman | no wonder it's too big then |
| 17:42:35 | * | GodEater aims a hefty kick at his crappy router |
| 17:43:12 | funman | playback.c:audio_get_recording_buffer() : buffer_size = end-audiobuf is known at compile time, we should check at compile time if it fits in memory |
| 17:43:24 | ranmachan | Now trying with 8 chunks :) |
| 17:44:19 | ranmachan | It doesn't crash and I see a volume bar that responds when I hit the mic |
| 17:45:51 | ranmachan | funman: IMHO it would also be nice to use write-protected mmu pages for code and read-only data :) |
| 17:46:19 | funman | yeah right |
| 17:46:45 | funman | app.lds would be a bit more complex though |
| 17:47:26 | funman | hm well not necessarily, we'd only need 1 more section |
| 17:47:34 | Torne | You'd have to 1MB align .data then though |
| 17:47:38 | Torne | to keep it as section mappings. |
| 17:47:53 | funman | hm not necessarily ? |
| 17:48:27 | ranmachan | arm922 has page sizes 1K, 4K, 64K and 1M AFAIR from the datasheet |
| 17:48:47 | Torne | Yes, but at the moment we don't ahve any page tables and use only section mappings. |
| 17:48:52 | funman | hm i thought it was only 1MB, and wanted to add a translation like is done for uncacheable addresses |
| 17:49:12 | funman | but then if the memory is accessed through a writeable section we can't prevent overwrite |
| 17:49:33 | Torne | Yah, to do it with sections you'd have to have 1MB of the actual memory read-only |
| 17:49:48 | funman | ranmachan: i'm looking at c200 manual but don't see how to start recording |
| 17:49:49 | Torne | so you'd need to make proper second level pagetables. |
| 17:49:58 | Torne | well, one. |
| 17:50:54 | funman | i'm not sure how we can add a clean build-time check for recording buffer size in pcm_record.c |
| 17:52:29 | ranmachan | funman: I have 'Recording' as a menu option directly below 'Settings' |
| 17:53:09 | funman | on fuze i just press play: 'length' and 'size' will increase |
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| 17:54:18 | ranmachan | If I press the record button it starts recording |
| 17:54:39 | ranmachan | But the actual writing to FS doesn't seem to be working properly |
| 17:54:45 | funman | oops |
| 17:55:27 | funman | i can try on clip(v1) to rule out any c200v2 specific problem |
| 17:55:58 | ranmachan | Time is erratically and at size about 100K it says 'The disk is full. Press PREV to continue" |
| 17:56:18 | ranmachan | Of course 8 chunks is a lot less than 256... |
| 17:56:31 | ranmachan | Maybe it just isn't built to handle a buffer that small |
| 17:57:06 | funman | it's gonna be built to do whatever we ask it to do! show this code who's the boss! |
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| 18:03:52 | ranmachan | Ok, 'The disk is full' really means AUDIO_STATUS_ERROR... |
| 18:04:38 | * | funman remembers seeing something like that, but not the context |
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| 18:17:24 | ranmachan | Error seems to be PCMREC_E_CHUNK_OVF |
| 18:19:01 | funman | what if you disable DEBUG ? (one never knows) |
| 18:21:42 | ranmachan | This is already with DEBUG disabled |
| 18:22:12 | ranmachan | I gather chunk overflow means that it didn't manage to write out in time |
| 18:22:31 | ranmachan | The watermark calculation is totally not for buffers this small |
| 18:22:59 | ranmachan | low wmk: 8 |
| 18:22:59 | ranmachan | warning: panic < low |
| 18:22:59 | ranmachan | flood at: 8 |
| 18:22:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ranmachan |
| 18:22:59 | ranmachan | warning: low 'write at' |
| 18:22:59 | ranmachan | write at: 8 |
| 18:23:08 | funman | errors |= PCMREC_E_CHUNK_OVF is only in a #ifdef DEBUG block |
| 18:23:16 | funman | hm |
| 18:24:11 | funman | try lowering the watermakr by the same amount you lowered the number of chunks? |
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| 18:38:01 | funman | hum there's not much differences between sound code of Clipv1 & Clip+ but I still can't get sound |
| 18:38:14 | funman | perhaps we need to power explicitely the headphones? |
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| 18:42:24 | bertrik | funman, try it and see what happens :) |
| 18:43:44 | funman | i mean a GPIO pin could control power ^^ i'm not gonna plug 220V on my headphones :) |
| 18:44:56 | bluebroth3r | Bagder: can you add rbutil 1.2.5 to FS? |
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| 18:46:51 | r0b- | how well does rockbox perform on the e200v2? |
| 18:46:56 | r0b- | just like the v1? |
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| 18:48:32 | funman | r0b-: yeah, except e200v2 USB mode is handled by the OF |
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| 18:48:50 | r0b- | so doom and mpeg perform about the same? |
| 18:49:23 | r0b- | funman may i pm? |
| 18:49:24 | funman | i was told doom crashes |
| 18:49:27 | funman | no |
| 18:49:48 | r0b- | unfortunatly i had to order a new e200 |
| 18:50:00 | r0b- | i dont know if its gonna be v1 or v2 |
| 18:50:05 | bertrik | I guess doom runs much faster on an e200v2 than on an e200v1 because its cpu runs 3 times faster |
| 18:51:29 | pixelma | pamaury: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9093 (I don't know if the attached patch is the correct solution though) |
| 18:52:50 | pamaury | pixelma: I'll have a look at it, thanks |
| 18:53:24 | gevaerts | pamaury: maybe for isochronous we could have an api where the class driver registers a callback with the controller driver, which gets used to notify the class driver about the status of the previous transfer and gets the next buffer to transfer at the same time? |
| 18:53:35 | saratoga | doom probably runs badly on the e200v2 due to lack of RAM |
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| 18:53:43 | saratoga | i expect it crashes after the first level like on the fuze |
| 18:55:15 | r0b- | well i dont play doom often :P |
| 18:56:22 | r0b- | saratoga care if i pm you? |
| 18:57:00 | pamaury | gevaerts: I was thinking of a similar solution but more precisely I was thinking about a static schedule. Something like [for the receive part at leats] (1) allocate N slots (a slot=a packet=a trasnfer). (2) for each slot, assigna length and a buffer. (3) start the whole thing in a ring buffer way. My idea is that we shouldn't change the buffers once the stream is launched. Just have the usb controller do everything and just call the completio |
| 18:58:31 | funman | r0b-: well if you have a question just ask it here |
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| 19:02:33 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: I got a working deutsch.voice on my OndioFM now on the 10.4 PPC :) |
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| 19:03:13 | pixelma | shall I test it on Intel too, or with a speex target? |
| 19:04:23 | r0b- | well its not DIRECTLY related to rockbox |
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| 19:06:00 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: nice :) |
| 19:06:27 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: speex would definitely be interesting as that got endianess fixes too. |
| 19:06:48 | pixelma | file size is still a bit larger than I would hope for but you'll get something working and bearable wrt quality |
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| 19:08:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:08:55 | * | bluebroth3r really hates people putting multiple issues in one tracker task :( |
| 19:09:20 | | Nick bluebroth3r is now known as bluebrother (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) |
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| 19:10:11 | r0b- | any rough guess on when the AMS v2 models Clipv2 Fuzev2 Clip+ will be rockboxable? |
| 19:10:50 | Battousai | r0b-: follow this page: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
| 19:11:04 | Battousai | they update it regularly as the ports progress |
| 19:11:25 | r0b- | nice |
| 19:11:42 | * | bluebrother wonders who "they" is :P |
| 19:11:50 | Battousai | they is them |
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| 19:11:59 | r0b- | they is they |
| 19:12:50 | r0b- | the Clips are nice tiny mp3 players |
| 19:15:02 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r25206): Fix manual download links. ... |
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| 19:27:59 | ThomasAH | funman: Is disabling the caches still needed for clip+? |
| 19:28:29 | funman | no |
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| 19:29:00 | ThomasAH | funman: good, I'll try it as soon as I can :) |
| 19:29:22 | funman | you can get the current build at http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-sansaclipplus.zip |
| 19:30:58 | ThomasAH | funman: should I rather build myself to test if building works with my toolchain or rather the zip so we all test exactly the same binary? |
| 19:33:58 | funman | like you prefer |
| 19:35:15 | ThomasAH | funman: ok, I'll build myself then ... but now I have to leave |
| 19:37:13 | bluebrother | pixelma: wrt file size: did it decrease with the new version? |
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| 19:44:11 | pixelma | a bit but not much I think, I still have to resample to the lowest possible to get a reasonable file size on the PPC (haven't tested for differences yet) with the Infovox Klaus and a still understandable speed |
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| 19:45:16 | saratoga | error: expected identifier or â(â before â{â token |
| 19:45:25 | saratoga | the line in question: STIN void XPROD32(ogg_int32_t a, ogg_int32_t b, |
| 19:45:35 | saratoga | STIN isn't the problem, ogg_int32_t seems ok |
| 19:45:53 | funman | saratoga: use gcc -E to check preprocessor output |
| 19:47:39 | funman | saratoga: the Clip+ has twice the IRAM of Clipv1 (640kB) |
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| 19:49:22 | saratoga | nice |
| 19:49:30 | saratoga | wow there is no mention of that function at all |
| 19:49:38 | saratoga | heh because i defined a macro with the same name before |
| 19:49:39 | saratoga | awesome |
| 19:51:19 | bertrik | funman, nice! |
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| 19:51:59 | saratoga | if its actually fast this time it'll be nice |
| 19:52:09 | saratoga | otherwise i guess we'll just have a larger codec buffer |
| 19:52:14 | funman | i'm goign to try |
| 19:52:29 | funman | saratoga: 640kB ought to be enough for every codec ? |
| 19:53:33 | saratoga | yeah I think so |
| 19:53:46 | saratoga | eventually i want to reduce all targets to have just 512KB of codec ram |
| 19:54:02 | saratoga | only AAC and a handful of vorbis files ever need more then that now |
| 19:54:12 | pixelma | bluebrother: in other news... I got a working voice file on my M5 now. But with default settings, the file size is twice the size of the slightly older file I still had there |
| 19:54:37 | pixelma | that's still on the 10.4 PPC box |
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| 19:55:32 | saratoga | AMS's intention was probably that you put all the codec and buffer in the IRAM and put the RAM into self refresh mode during much of playback (probably until you needed to buffer from the file system) |
| 19:55:40 | saratoga | at least that'd be my guess |
| 19:55:47 | bluebrother | pixelma: ok, that's great −− at least the code works correctly now. |
| 19:56:10 | bluebrother | for speex you could try narrowband mode. That will downsample the clips to 8kHz instead of 16kHz |
| 19:56:44 | bluebrother | maybe your old file is using narrowband. At least that would be an explanation for the doubled size |
| 19:59:14 | funman | saratoga: that's not the case for clipv2 tho |
| 19:59:41 | funman | hm well it might, now we knwo that the iram is large enough for the OF firmware block to fit |
| 19:59:55 | saratoga | well who knows what sandisk actually did with it :) |
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| 20:00:01 | saratoga | they may be as clueless as us |
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| 20:03:29 | funman | it seems IRAM is slower to read than DRAM (caches disabled) |
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| 20:04:40 | funman | and perhaps a bit slower to write |
| 20:05:20 | funman | reading/writing the same amount of data: 14 ticks to read dram, 14 ticks to write dram, 17 or 18 cycles to read iram, 14 or 15 cycles to write iram |
| 20:05:53 | * | gevaerts is going to be annoying |
| 20:05:58 | gevaerts | How many cycles per tick? |
| 20:06:13 | funman | s/cycles/ticks/ |
| 20:06:32 | funman | anyway the test was with caches enabled (didn't copy the new rockbox.sansa) |
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| 20:09:28 | funman | with caches disabled the difference is hardly noticeable (10 times slower) |
| 20:09:40 | saratoga | funman: do you know what the clocks are? |
| 20:09:47 | funman | nope |
| 20:11:10 | funman | we should test speed again when we know how memory/pclk are clocked |
| 20:11:24 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25207): as3525v2 has twice the as3525v1 IRAM (verified on Clip+) |
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| 20:14:29 | saratoga | funman: fwiw knowing the exact memory timings makes optimizing codecs later on easier |
| 20:14:33 | saratoga | so its very nice to know |
| 20:14:40 | saratoga | http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/tremor_ffmpeg_imdctv4.patch |
| 20:14:51 | saratoga | if anyone else wants to look at our tremor upstream merge |
| 20:20:51 | saratoga | a couple lines at the top of one file in that patch are borrowed from ffmpeg |
| 20:21:09 | saratoga | they're absolutely trivial, so if I describe what they do could someone pastebin the c code |
| 20:21:54 | kugel | the new mdct in C-only is faster than the old tremor one with ASM-only |
| 20:22:08 | saratoga | yes, at least one some targets |
| 20:22:25 | saratoga | coldfire and PP i think |
| 20:22:42 | kugel | awesome |
| 20:25:53 | saratoga | seriously someone who hasn't looked at the code pastebin storing an integer that 2 power of another integer |
| 20:26:48 | funman | saratoga: what's the function prototype ? |
| 20:27:07 | funman | i looked at the pastebin but only browsed, didn't read it |
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| 20:27:35 | gevaerts | saratoga: something like a=2^b;? |
| 20:27:46 | saratoga | funman: void ff_imdct_half(unsigned int nbits, ogg_int32_t *output, const ogg_int32_t *input) |
| 20:27:50 | funman | gevaerts: xor isn't pow() ! |
| 20:27:56 | saratoga | 2^nbits but preferably faster . . . |
| 20:28:17 | saratoga | then i need nbits-1, nbits-2 nibits-3 |
| 20:29:41 | saratoga | huh pbxy got the radio to work |
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| 20:30:37 | saratoga | stripwax: ping |
| 20:32:02 | funman | saratoga: you can't use the ffmpeg bits in tremor? |
| 20:32:23 | saratoga | i want bsd license |
| 20:33:07 | funman | you could ask ffmpeg author to relicense this bit |
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| 20:35:40 | pixelma | bluebrother: I even got a speex voice file on the 10.4 Intel now, it should be possible to get talk clips too but I'll try :) |
| 20:36:20 | Chronon | Trying to get build client set up. I keep getting "Server message: Fatal build error: Command not found. You have been temporarily disabled." Where should I look to determine what hasn't been set up properly? I seem to have all of the necessary bits installed. |
| 20:36:34 | * | gevaerts isn't sure if he understands what this function should really do |
| 20:37:08 | pixelma | bluebrother: autodetection with two targets connected gave me a weird result though - selected device was one, mount point the other |
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| 20:39:37 | * | gevaerts clarifies: he is sure that he doesn't know what saratoga means |
| 20:39:41 | domonoky | pixelma: autodetection could need a improvement. it just takes what if finds first. |
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| 20:40:09 | domonoky | there is a unfinished patch from me in the tracker which can deal with multiple connected devices. |
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| 20:41:01 | funman | saratoga: http://pastie.org/870859 |
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| 20:41:52 | gevaerts | funman: why not *output<<=nbits? |
| 20:42:28 | gevaerts | or *output=*input<<nbits |
| 20:44:25 | funman | hm right |
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| 20:44:52 | funman | saratoga: void ff_imdct_half(unsigned int nbits, ogg_int32_t *output, const ogg_int32_t *input) { *output = *input << nbits; } |
| 20:45:09 | funman | + © gevaerts |
| 20:45:31 | pixelma | bluebrother: the speex talk clips work too now on the Intel \o/ |
| 20:45:51 | gevaerts | The function should probably get another name though. That ff_ bit looks suspicious :) |
| 20:51:18 | kugel | gevaerts: is that even copyrightable? that line seems *too* trivial |
| 20:51:42 | gevaerts | kugel: I don't know. I also don't really know if it matches saratoga's description |
| 20:52:06 | kugel | well, I also thought about a simple shift when reading his description |
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| 20:57:34 | bluebrother | pixelma: great! Autodetection is known to be broken when two devices are connected. I was planning to look into this, but there's always this time issue :( |
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| 21:09:14 | cfp_ | hello everyone! I just noticed that my alarmclock plugin has a serious flaw in the way in handles times (disturbing for an alarmclock, isn't it), which means that it may fail to ring in many situations. I've posted a patch that fixes it on FS #7505. Could somebody have a look at it and possibly commit it? Thanks! |
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| 21:11:25 | cfp_ | funman: Hello :) Could you please have a look at the patch? The calculation is wrong when the alarm is set on the next day |
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| 21:11:42 | funman | cfp_: must be another FS# , this one is about gigabeat flashwriter |
| 21:11:48 | cfp_ | wooops |
| 21:12:06 | cfp_ | my bad, FS #11110 |
| 21:12:40 | cfp_ | I was adding 24 hours to the time when there was an overlap, which resulted in the alarm never ringing (ahem :s) |
| 21:13:34 | gevaerts | cfp_: let me guess, you planned to report this earlier but you didn't wake up on time ;) |
| 21:13:52 | funman | is there something wrong: overlap depends on rem_seconds() and rem_seconds() depends on overlap? |
| 21:15:45 | cfp_ | gevaerts: exactly :) |
| 21:16:02 | cfp_ | funman, not really. The initial value of overlap is determined by rem_seconds |
| 21:16:12 | cfp_ | when you launch the plugin, overlap = false |
| 21:16:24 | cfp_ | then if its say 10 PM, and you set it to 6 PM |
| 21:16:51 | funman | cfp_: you could just do if (seconds > 0) overlap = false; in rem_seconds() |
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| 21:17:00 | cfp_ | rem_seconds = 3600 * (6-22) |
| 21:17:19 | cfp_ | sure |
| 21:17:32 | funman | hm and the value of overlap could be modified in rem_seconds only |
| 21:17:43 | cfp_ | funman, how? |
| 21:18:00 | cfp_ | for the main loop is not executed when waiting |
| 21:18:28 | funman | ret = XXX; overlap = ret <= 0; return XXX; ? |
| 21:18:55 | funman | sorry, i must leave |
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| 21:19:38 | cfp_ | hmmm but then you would return a negative value, therefore trigerring the alarm |
| 21:19:43 | cfp_ | *triggering |
| 21:21:01 | Farthen | i didn't look at the code but why don't you set overlap to false on 00:00h ? or do you? |
| 21:22:19 | cfp_ | Farthen, I can't be sure that my code will run precisely at 00:00 |
| 21:22:29 | cfp_ | but the current solution is pretty neat imo |
| 21:23:05 | cfp_ | if the next alarm is in the past, then set a flag to add 24 hours to the remaining time |
| 21:23:16 | cfp_ | as soon as it isn't in the past anymore, remove the flag |
| 21:23:46 | cfp_ | "isn't is the past anymore" meaning that alarm.hour - current_time.hour > 0 |
| 21:25:05 | * | Farthen is wondering what happens if it is 23:59 and you set the alarm to 00:00h |
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| 21:26:04 | Farthen | or even if it is any time and you set the alarm to 0:00h |
| 21:26:09 | cfp_ | it rings in 59 seconds |
| 21:27:17 | cfp_ | the overlap flag is always set in this case |
| 21:27:33 | cfp_ | I'll be back in an hour |
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| 21:37:45 | bertrik | Was funman joking about the 640kB IRAM thing? His last commit sets IRAM at 1 MB, not 640 kB, for the as3525v2 |
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| 21:46:22 | TheSeven | liar: I have been trying to track down the additional battery consumption, but without success so far |
| 21:46:49 | TheSeven | the battery current on builds from november 09 and immediately before committing boosting is identical |
| 21:47:02 | TheSeven | so there are 2 possibilities: |
| 21:47:44 | TheSeven | 1. something affected some additional battery consumption patches that aren't in svn |
| 21:48:00 | TheSeven | 2. it's actually iloader who is at fault here |
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| 21:52:16 | pamaury | gevaerts: what do you think of what I told you two hours ago ? |
| 21:53:11 | liar | i tried a current build from the build.rockbox.org and the battery consumption was ~42mA(backlight on, usb chip off) so i dont think its because of local changes |
| 21:59:05 | gevaerts | pamaury: you're probably right. No sense in making this too dynamic |
| 21:59:29 | gevaerts | pamaury: were you planning to arrange the TDs in a looping linked list? |
| 21:59:49 | pamaury | yes, that's what I'm thinking of |
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| 22:00:01 | gevaerts | that should work I guess |
| 22:00:45 | pamaury | The only tricky point is allocation. We probably don't want to driver to be responsible for allocation but on the other hand, it might need special memory section or alignement, so I don't know |
| 22:01:30 | pamaury | An idea about that precise point ? |
| 22:02:28 | gevaerts | Something like USB_DEVBSS_ATTR (as used in usb_storage.c) should work |
| 22:02:55 | gevaerts | targets that need nothing special can just define that as empty |
| 22:03:08 | gevaerts | actually, I'd just use USB_DEVBSS_ATTR |
| 22:05:26 | pamaury | so there would an api like (a) usb_drv_allocate_iso_slots(int nb_slots, <the that hold a transfer descriptor> *tds); (b) usb_drv_fill_iso_slot(int slot, int length, unsigned char *buffer) (c) usb_drv_set_iso_endpoint_mode(int mode) where mode=START|STOP|FLUSH |
| 22:06:26 | gevaerts | Also a callback that tells you which slot is next and one which slot has just been handled |
| 22:07:02 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if I'd export the tds |
| 22:07:51 | pamaury | who would allocate them then ? About the callback I'm not sure: each slot should have a different buffer so that the normal callback can be called. The slot are processed in order: 1, 2, ..., N, 1, 2 ... |
| 22:08:40 | gevaerts | hm, yes, the normal callback will work, at least for completion |
| 22:08:49 | pamaury | We don't need to export the tds. We can have something like USB_DRV_ISO_SLOT_SIZE and the users allocate it by unsigned char iso_slots[nb_slots*USB_DRV_ISO_SLOT_SIZE]; |
| 22:09:02 | pamaury | This should work for the receive part |
| 22:09:14 | gevaerts | hm, will it? Don't you want the class driver to be told which buffer exactly completed? |
| 22:09:33 | gevaerts | We could extend it of course |
| 22:09:48 | pamaury | ah yes, I forgot that the completion handler doesn't give the buffer pointer ! |
| 22:10:15 | gevaerts | there's no real reason not to give it I guess |
| 22:10:22 | pamaury | indeed |
| 22:11:25 | gevaerts | I'm really a bit reluctant about having TDs outside of the actual driver, even as opaque objects... |
| 22:12:08 | pamaury | I share your opinion but how would the driver allocate them ? |
| 22:12:20 | gevaerts | it can't. That's the problem |
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| 22:13:10 | gevaerts | But I'm also not sure if all hardware drivers use a similar concept, i.e. if it's even possible to assume that a fixed size block per ISO slot will work |
| 22:14:37 | pamaury | Most hardware use a concept similar to QHs and TDs no ? I mean, this concept is in all hosts and many devices. What about the other usb devices that rockbox supports ? |
| 22:15:00 | gevaerts | From what I understand, this model really isn't common in devices |
| 22:15:46 | gevaerts | A lot of chips use a FIFO based system, but I don't have any idea how exactly those handle isochronous |
| 22:15:58 | gevaerts | They probably need a driver-defined data structure |
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| 22:16:59 | gevaerts | I think they have enough buffer to store one (or a few) packets per endpoint, and when that's sent out the driver refills the packet buffer |
| 22:17:40 | pamaury | But can't we assume a fixed size per slot ? I mean, if the hardware manages to do it, there is not reason not to manage to do it in software. Actually, only a few fields are necessary, and it's even simpler if everything is done in software. |
| 22:18:27 | pamaury | How many different usb drivers are there in rockbox ? |
| 22:18:28 | gevaerts | So you'd have USB_DRV_ISO_SLOT_SIZE and USB_DRV_ISO_SLOT_ATTR defines? |
| 22:18:34 | gevaerts | four or five |
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| 22:18:45 | pamaury | yes |
| 22:19:13 | gevaerts | There's ARC, tcc, nano2g, mr500, and onda. The ZVM also has one, but I'm not sure if it still works |
| 22:19:33 | pamaury | do they support iso transfers ? is it even known ? |
| 22:19:49 | gevaerts | If we go that way, shouldn't we generalise the driver-allocates-TD concept for all transfer types? |
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| 22:20:06 | gevaerts | I don't know which ones support iso |
| 22:20:55 | pamaury | hum, it's true that the driver allocate td concept is interesting. It would also allow other types of scheduling to be implement nicely, like queueing, if necessary |
| 22:21:08 | pamaury | Do we have datasheets for them ? |
| 22:21:16 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r25208): Fix bootloader files vanishing after installation (FS #11086). ... |
| 22:21:28 | bluebrother | domonoky: around? |
| 22:21:40 | domonoky | jup |
| 22:22:07 | bluebrother | any thoughts on a new rbutil release? The latest ones had various bad behaviour. |
| 22:22:36 | bluebrother | like the issue I've just fixed. I assume behaviour of Qt changed in that aspect (or it has always been a bug that was fixed in Qt ...) |
| 22:22:58 | gevaerts | People have datasheets, yes, although in some cases they'll be for different SoCs that happen to share the USB bit |
| 22:23:28 | domonoky | bluebrother: no problem with a new release. |
| 22:24:18 | bluebrother | we really need a way to test at least parts of the functionality. The only big question is: how (without requiring targets)? |
| 22:25:36 | gevaerts | TheSeven: the nano2g uses the s3c6400x datasheet for usb, right? |
| 22:25:55 | TheSeven | yes |
| 22:26:37 | TheSeven | (that's why i called the driver usb-s3c6400x.c, back then i didn't know that this was an OTG from synopsys) |
| 22:26:56 | pamaury | do you know if it supports iso transfers ? Is the datasheet freely available ? |
| 22:27:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:27:37 | TheSeven | http://www.ebv.com/fileadmin/products/Products/Samsung/S3C6400/S3C6400X_UserManual_rev1-0_2008-02_661558um.pdf |
| 22:27:53 | TheSeven | "samsung confidential", but nobody seems to care. |
| 22:28:01 | bluebrother | domonoky: oh, and I was thinking about splitting the source part out of rbutilqt.pro into a separate pri file as it's getting quite crowded. |
| 22:28:16 | TheSeven | and yes, it does support iso transfers |
| 22:28:22 | TheSeven | i haven't done anything with them yet though |
| 22:28:24 | domonoky | bluebrother: good idea. |
| 22:28:30 | TheSeven | the driver also doesn't support them yet |
| 22:29:07 | gevaerts | TheSeven: have you followed our discussion a bit? From what you know of the controller, would the model we propose work? |
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| 22:29:50 | pamaury | TheSeven: thanks for the link. |
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| 22:32:13 | pamaury | TheSeven: does this spec apply to other parts of the nano2g or only the usb part ? |
| 22:35:13 | gevaerts | pamaury: changing the API later if it's not workable for some chips shouldn't be too hard, so we can always fix things when needed |
| 22:35:59 | pamaury | indeed |
| 22:36:34 | TheSeven | pamaury: no, i didn't follow |
| 22:36:53 | TheSeven | and the spec does apply to *some* other parts of the nano2g, but not much |
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| 22:38:09 | gevaerts | TheSeven: is the USB controller one of those FIFO-based things that are mainly software-managed? |
| 22:38:54 | pamaury | looking at the spec, it seems software managed but TheSeven will probably know better than us |
| 22:39:06 | TheSeven | i'd call it semi-managed |
| 22:39:47 | TheSeven | it has a bunch of fifos of course, and it doesn't have things like QH/TDs, but it will do quite a lot of the groundwork |
| 22:40:32 | TheSeven | you can basically have one transfer per endpoint at a time, which are dealt with in round-robin order by the hardware |
| 22:40:47 | TheSeven | and it has an AHB master |
| 22:41:48 | pamaury | AHB ? |
| 22:42:04 | TheSeven | advanced highspeed bus |
| 22:42:09 | TheSeven | it's doing busmaster DMA |
| 22:43:01 | TheSeven | so you basically tell it to receive x packets with a total size of y on endpoint z, and store the result to address a, and it will just do it. |
| 22:43:18 | TheSeven | but it doesn't have any sophisticated queueing things like the host controllers usually have |
| 22:43:41 | Chronon | BTW: I think I fixed the problem with build client. This is a fairly recently installed system and apparently I didn't have xcolor.sty installed, which was preventing building the manual. |
| 22:46:12 | gevaerts | OK, so it's basically equivalent to a transfer descriptor in the ARC controller, except that that one can actually handle non-contiguous pages (which we don't use) |
| 22:46:33 | gevaerts | At least for bulk/interrupt. We'll have to see what happens on isochronous |
| 22:46:58 | gevaerts | Also except that TDs can be chained, but currently we don't do that either |
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| 22:48:59 | gevaerts | or do we? |
| 22:49:04 | * | gevaerts can't remember |
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| 22:50:00 | pamaury | we use it I believe, for use transfers |
| 22:50:03 | pamaury | *huge |
| 22:50:11 | mt2 | Would a build client be useful on a 256kbps up speed ? |
| 22:50:12 | pamaury | at least arc seems to support it iirc |
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| 22:51:05 | TheSeven | mt2: mine with 1mbps seems to be amongst the faster ones, so i'd guess yess |
| 22:51:29 | TheSeven | there are also quite a bunch of builds that aren't uploaded at all (bootloader, sim, checkwps) |
| 22:52:53 | TheSeven | another nice-to-have thing (i think i already mentioned that once some time ago): a red/yellow nagging irc bot :-) |
| 22:52:53 | mt2 | Great. I'll try adding mine then and see how it performs. |
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| 22:56:15 | Bagder | TheSeven: I actually wrote such a "blame script" once that would mention who did the recent commit that caused a yellow/red but I never made it into actually announcing it on the channel |
| 22:56:36 | Bagder | and then we changed the build system so now I think I would have to do it all again ;-) |
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| 23:00:07 | Stephen__ | also assuming the person who commits is in irc. |
| 23:00:54 | gevaerts | Yes, but lots of us think that that should be the norm anyway |
| 23:01:09 | bluebrother | the build system announcing when a build round is done and mentioning the number of targets that are yellow / red would be nice. Now that we have commit announcements. |
| 23:02:10 | Bagder | yeah, they're just a bit separated as things work today |
| 23:02:25 | mt2 | Maybe this should be included as a "rule of the thumb" thing when sending out commit-access e-mails. |
| 23:02:36 | Bagder | that's not a bad idea |
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| 23:18:06 | bluebrother | anyone interested in updating a rbutil translation? -> http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/weblinguist/ (working on the page, but it should do its job already) |
| 23:24:11 | domonoky | bluebrother: regarding the voicefile issue from flyspray. i already fixed the voice download url sometime ago. thats why it works with svn, but not 1.2.5 :-) |
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| 23:25:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: ah, ok. Forgot about that. Too much TTS stuff lately :) |
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| 23:25:39 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 23:26:09 | domonoky | if you want todo more tts stuff, you could look at the opensapi thing in flyspray :-) |
| 23:27:41 | bluebrother | well, for now I'm planning to do some minor other stuff like looking at the "blurry icon" issue in FS. Currently playing around with replacing the icon with an svn version. |
| 23:28:17 | bluebrother | oh, and I want to finish my translation website :) |
| 23:28:26 | bluebrother | or at least improve it |
| 23:28:28 | domonoky | :-) |
| 23:28:55 | bluebrother | the translation status of Rockbox Utility has quite some room for improvements |
| 23:30:25 | domonoky | true. is this translation page php ? maybe it should go into svn to allow other to improve it too ? |
| 23:30:53 | bluebrother | yes, it's php. Though it's kinda hackish right now. |
| 23:33:42 | domonoky | we should probably combine your .ts handling code with the UI code from rashers translation page (with some modifications as needed). |
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| 23:36:48 | bluebrother | well, I'm not sure how good this would work. The translations are quite different −− no separate translations for speech in ts files for one. |
| 23:37:19 | bluebrother | but separating data and view is something I want to get into that :) |
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| 23:40:17 | domonoky | do you use any template engine in this page ? (themepage and translate use smarty for templates). |
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