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| 00:35:08 | scorche | who is around?...i got a mail telling me that we really need to beef up our ideas list |
| 00:35:43 | scorche | i am about to drive for 6 hours, but we need a beefed up ideas list in 24-hours ish |
| 00:36:55 | JdGordon | apart from the mr someoneones todo list we dont really have much |
| 00:37:48 | scorche | well, we need more stuff up there...and it would be nice to perhaps fill out some of the plans as well - along the lines of suggested places to look for reference, etc |
| 00:38:40 | scorche | take some stuff from that list...either way, we need to beef it up, or we likely wont get in this year |
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| 00:42:32 | mt2 | usb driver for AMS ? |
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| 00:45:27 | soap | proper ebook reader |
| 00:45:57 | soap | basic XHTML engine |
| 00:46:46 | scorche | keep in mind that saying stuff here is well and good, but it needs to be on the wiki |
| 00:48:37 | mt2 | I don't know how feasible it would be, but how about an offline wikipedia reader, which could be synced through rbutil ? |
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| 00:54:38 | scorche | i think we have a lot of decent ideas already in the ideas page to be honest - it just really needs to fleshing out |
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| 00:59:11 | Casainho | hello :-) |
| 00:59:15 | scorche | like pointers for starting to research the ideas, expanding a bit on what it might take to complete it, likely need-to-know skills (Familiarity with C, Basic GUI, interaction, and usability design, etc), something else...adding ideas is always good though |
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| 00:59:40 | Casainho | I would like to know how Rockbox speech works... does it convert text to speech on real time? |
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| 01:00:32 | Casainho | because I am thinking if I could make a device without LCD... to be cheap, simple, less power usage |
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| 01:02:00 | Chronon | Casainho: Rockbox uses pre-generated voice clips. |
| 01:02:44 | Casainho | Chronon: oh... so no change of removing LCD... thanks Chronon |
| 01:04:03 | stripwax | Casainho - there is a GSOC project to integrate a simple realtime text-to-speech engine into rockbox, however. (iirc). |
| 01:04:37 | Casainho | stripwax: and isn't there any dev code? any experimental code? |
| 01:04:57 | stripwax | not yet, I don't think. because I don't believe the project started yet... |
| 01:06:37 | Casainho | stripwax: what is your guess about this? will it be able in 1 year? |
| 01:06:59 | Casainho | ok, I see it listed here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010#Text_to_Speech_in_core |
| 01:07:32 | stripwax | You could always do the same as what rockbox does now, and pre-generated the voice clips, no? |
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| 01:09:43 | Casainho | stripwax: no, I guess users would not like to have to do that... as user I want to put the music files inside a SD Card and be able to listen them immediately |
| 01:11:11 | Casainho | there are some cheap players on market without LCD... I think Apple have one also... |
| 01:12:05 | saratoga | I'll just make Rockbox as an application a heading and then add several possible targets |
| 01:14:00 | stripwax | Casainho - only recently has the ipod shuffle been able to voice menus - and I don't believe it voices files (but I could be wrong, I don't have one) - if it does voice filenames, I imagine it's because iTunes (i.e. the media sync application) pregenerates them. |
| 01:14:59 | stripwax | Casainho - I would be surprised if users would not like to generate voice files (as users do exactly that, today). Regardless of whether the player has an lcd or not. (Since the voice files are generated on a pc application) |
| 01:15:22 | Casainho | stripwax: ok, nice to know. |
| 01:15:51 | stripwax | I mean for rockbox. for apple/itunes, I really don't know, to be honest (but I would guess it happens in itunes) |
| 01:16:06 | stripwax | (if files are voiced at all, and not just menus voiced) |
| 01:17:17 | Casainho | stripwax: ok. I prefer a system where I copy music files directly from PC... −− well, then I will forgot this idea of going without LCD :-) |
| 01:17:48 | Casainho | thanks :-) |
| 01:17:50 | Casainho | bye bye |
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| 01:20:10 | stripwax | ? |
| 01:21:43 | saratoga | wiki improved |
| 01:21:49 | saratoga | feel free to add things |
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| 01:24:19 | saratoga | i proposed 11 of 19 total GSOC projects |
| 01:24:27 | saratoga | presumably other people have some ideas for rockbox as well |
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| 01:33:11 | saratoga | there up to 15 ideas |
| 01:33:13 | saratoga | owned |
| 01:34:01 | saratoga | did the site just go down |
| 01:35:03 | saratoga | ah now its back |
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| 03:08:39 | checker | if i preceed the playlist-viewer tag (%Vp) with "%ac" will it align it in the center? (%ac%Vp|...|...|...|) |
| 03:11:07 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25213): mkamsboot: update for Clipv1 OF v01.01.35 (tested) |
| 03:11:20 | checker | or can i put the "%ac" tag before Id3 tags inside the id3 section? |
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| 03:37:07 | checker | if the statusbar is enabled on the WPS, all viewport locations are measured from the bottom of that, correct? |
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| 04:02:11 | saratoga | if anyone here knows visual studio, could they ping me tomorrow? i need to update the windows tremor vs project to have a couple new c and h files I made |
| 04:02:15 | saratoga | and I don't know VS |
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| 04:17:04 | saratoga | what does it mean when the first make always fails, but doing a make clean and then rerunning make fixes it |
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| 05:12:19 | NewBie1122 | Rockbox does not support album art embedded in your files’ tags,why? |
| 05:13:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Because no-one has coded support for it yet |
| 05:13:45 | S_a_i_n_t | and because its not a big deal to simply put "Folder.jpg" in each album dir |
| 05:14:21 | S_a_i_n_t | If you use WMP, all you need to do is drag&drop...as WMP uses Folder.jpg for its AA too. |
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| 05:17:45 | saratoga | well also because its annoying to handle for mp3 |
| 05:18:00 | saratoga | for other formats mostly just that no one has done it |
| 05:19:05 | S_a_i_n_t | I only figured out recently that the AA parser was case insensitive... |
| 05:19:09 | NewBie1122 | S_a_i_n_t, thanks,i got some files from itunes store.which part of the source code deal with album art? |
| 05:19:15 | S_a_i_n_t | that made my life a WHOLE lot easier |
| 05:19:43 | saratoga | S_a_i_n_t: its probably just that FAT is case insensitive |
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| 05:21:07 | S_a_i_n_t | NewBie1122: trust me, it'll be a whole lot easier to just put a folder in .rockbox called albumart and then put "albumname.jpg" or "filename.jpg" in it. |
| 05:21:58 | S_a_i_n_t | seeing as how itunes has that insane habit of putting files here there and everywhere...in non human readable dir names. |
| 05:23:21 | NewBie1122 | S_a_i_n_t, that is true,thanks.i will do that. |
| 05:24:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Have you looked in the manual? the section "Albumart" has all the possible naming schemes/locations for AA listed there. |
| 05:26:14 | NewBie1122 | S_a_i_n_t, i know that.I just wonder why rockbox does not read the embedded AA |
| 05:27:35 | S_a_i_n_t | saratoga said this before you re-joined: |
| 05:27:36 | S_a_i_n_t | [17:18] <saratoga> well also because its annoying to handle for mp3 |
| 05:27:37 | S_a_i_n_t | [17:18] <saratoga> for other formats mostly just that no one has done it |
| 05:27:57 | saratoga | i said it after he joined |
| 05:28:51 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, so you did..my mistake. |
| 05:30:39 | NewBie1122 | ok. |
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| 05:47:27 | CIA-5 | New commit by saratoga (r25214): Change various CPU_ARM defines to _ARM_ASSEM_ to be more consistent with the rest of Tremor. |
| 05:47:31 | q0_0p | anyone here can help me with itouch restoring it is giving me 1604 error |
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| 05:50:11 | S_a_i_n_t | q0_0p: Errr...this is a Rockbox channel... |
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| 05:50:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *maybe* someone in #rockbox-community can help you. |
| 05:50:48 | q0_0p | thx |
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| 05:50:55 | S_a_i_n_t | but your question would be offtopic here. |
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| 06:00:17 | S_a_i_n_t | I've got an idea I think could make charging on the iPods a little easier (or slightly more clear to the user)...Here goes: |
| 06:00:21 | S_a_i_n_t | When you hold down menu (to insert the dock connector etc.), after X period of time (say 5 seconds or so) you get a splash screen saying "Insert Dock Connector Now" (or similar) and it should no longer be necessary to hold down the menu key, of course inserting the connector should clear this screen so normal function can resume. Pressing any other key should clear this screen also (if it is enabled by accident), and it should time out after X period if |
| 06:01:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Thoughts anyone? |
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| 06:02:52 | JdGordon | le suck! |
| 06:03:27 | S_a_i_n_t | ...really? |
| 06:03:46 | JdGordon | you only need to hold the button when its being connected, so why make it longer/harder than it already is? |
| 06:03:57 | S_a_i_n_t | To me at least, the quickscreen doesn't make it immediately apparent that you can insert the charger. |
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| 06:05:17 | S_a_i_n_t | And if you mess it up you can end up fucking up your quickscreen settings. |
| 06:05:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought it was a good idea at least (I have them occasionally), but I do see your point. |
| 06:12:26 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: "Shutting down", the database init stuff, the occasional "Scanning Disk" on startup. |
| 06:12:35 | S_a_i_n_t | those are all in sysfont for me :/ |
| 06:12:48 | JdGordon | what rev? |
| 06:13:08 | S_a_i_n_t | 25139 |
| 06:13:11 | JdGordon | shutting down especially shold be user font. the startup ones were broken for a while but sholld be fixed |
| 06:13:16 | S_a_i_n_t | nano1%2g |
| 06:13:31 | S_a_i_n_t | 1&2g rather. |
| 06:14:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Should I make a flyspray entry? |
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| 06:15:08 | JdGordon | na, just go fix it :D |
| 06:16:04 | * | S_a_i_n_t thinks that you don't want me messing 'found in the source files :P |
| 06:16:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Not in *your* tree anyway :P |
| 06:16:28 | S_a_i_n_t | s/found/round/ |
| 06:17:56 | JdGordon | interesting... not localised either |
| 06:19:02 | S_a_i_n_t | ....buh? You mean its broken on all targets? |
| 06:19:52 | JdGordon | stuff like this wouldnt only break on one target |
| 06:19:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I've personally never seen any of the splashes in userfont, thats why I asked if it was possible. |
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| 07:47:22 | pixelma | JdGordon: about the radio skin patch - I wouldn't call the theme settings entry "FM Radio" too, maybe "Radio Skin" or so. Guess you wanted to reuse the string but I find it misleading |
| 07:47:37 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 08:18:25 | amiconn | S_a_i_n_t: Btw, rockbox doesn't do anything special for AA case insensitivity, since (V)FAT(32) is case insensitive by design |
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| 08:30:31 | topik | does anyone know what WPS parsing failure 'font 15 not specified' means and/or how to resolve it? |
| 08:31:56 | JdGordon1 | it means you are specifiying font 15 in the wps somewhere |
| 08:31:57 | S_a_i_n_t | it means you've used an identifier for a font that isn't specified correctly. |
| 08:33:06 | S_a_i_n_t | topik: it could also mean that you've left out the ".fnt" from the %Fl line. |
| 08:33:30 | topik | my wps doesn't have any font definitions |
| 08:33:52 | S_a_i_n_t | can you pastebin the WPS somewhere for me please? |
| 08:33:56 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll have a look. |
| 08:34:00 | topik | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=250&target=ipodnano2g |
| 08:34:39 | S_a_i_n_t | where are you getting this error? |
| 08:34:42 | S_a_i_n_t | in a sim? |
| 08:34:55 | topik | it says 'Doesn't work with current build' on that page |
| 08:35:10 | topik | and if you hover the 'current build' link, you get that message as tooltip |
| 08:37:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm having a look at the WPS code now. |
| 08:37:14 | S_a_i_n_t | No promises I'll spot it though ;) |
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| 08:38:08 | S_a_i_n_t | you've fucked up on line 47 in your WPS |
| 08:38:14 | S_a_i_n_t | assuming it is yours... |
| 08:38:32 | S_a_i_n_t | %V|8|116|55|15|15|ffffff|000000| |
| 08:38:57 | S_a_i_n_t | wow...that was pretty easy :D |
| 08:39:06 | * | S_a_i_n_t pats himself on the back. |
| 08:39:28 | topik | that references 'font 15' ? |
| 08:39:52 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, x,y,width,height,font |
| 08:40:08 | S_a_i_n_t | it should be 1 |
| 08:40:16 | S_a_i_n_t | you've used 15 instead |
| 08:40:23 | topik | 1 being the first loaded font? |
| 08:40:32 | S_a_i_n_t | 1 being userfont |
| 08:40:36 | S_a_i_n_t | 0 being sysfont |
| 08:40:41 | S_a_i_n_t | as its always been. |
| 08:41:09 | topik | hehe, no need to rub it :) thanks for the help. |
| 08:41:18 | S_a_i_n_t | if you want it to work it should be %V|8|116|55|15|1|ffffff|000000| instead of %V|8|116|55|15|15|ffffff|000000| |
| 08:41:37 | S_a_i_n_t | no worries, I wasn't trying to be a smartass :P |
| 08:41:58 | S_a_i_n_t | It just comes naturally :P |
| 08:42:11 | topik | yes, i think i replaced a bit too eagerly when i adapted the original theme to nano dimensions |
| 08:42:20 | topik | it has worked until very recently though |
| 08:42:41 | S_a_i_n_t | I *really* don't know how it did... |
| 08:42:52 | S_a_i_n_t | the theme sit should have rejected it. |
| 08:42:56 | topik | 'works with 3.5' it says too |
| 08:42:56 | S_a_i_n_t | *site |
| 08:43:22 | topik | there are more themes with similar failings |
| 08:43:44 | S_a_i_n_t | checkwps should have caught that...I'm sure of it. |
| 08:43:47 | topik | now i'll go figure out how to reupload it |
| 08:44:26 | S_a_i_n_t | the reason a lot of themes are "don't work with current build" is that they may use multifont, and the syntax changed slightly. |
| 08:44:46 | S_a_i_n_t | And probably a few more recent changes I can't think of immediately. |
| 08:45:28 | S_a_i_n_t | topik: If you upload it with the *exact* same credentials as the first time, it'll ask if you want to replace the theme :D |
| 08:45:28 | topik | themesite seems to be running on a gameboy or something |
| 08:45:41 | S_a_i_n_t | that's same theme name, email address etc. |
| 08:46:00 | topik | db error |
| 08:46:02 | topik | how rude |
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| 08:51:34 | topik | i wonder how many attempts it will take me to guess the email address i used |
| 08:52:20 | S_a_i_n_t | a themesite admin *should* be able to tell you which addres was used to upload it... |
| 08:52:28 | S_a_i_n_t | if there's one around. |
| 08:52:57 | * | amiconn wonders about the sporadic binsize jumps happening recently |
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| 08:53:37 | amiconn | Right now there's one visible for the Gigabeat F. -/+ 5.7K of RAM, for an unrelated commit? |
| 08:54:01 | amiconn | There was another one visible on a different target last weekend |
| 08:54:25 | topik | all i get is a message it already exists, no message if i want to replace/update |
| 08:55:22 | topik | is there a themesite admin available who can help me out please? |
| 08:55:29 | S_a_i_n_t | there should be a tickbox asking if youd like to replace the theme |
| 08:55:48 | S_a_i_n_t | around the top left of the "this theme exists" page. |
| 08:56:48 | topik | unfortunately it's playing hard to get |
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| 08:58:51 | S_a_i_n_t | If you catch them at the right time, you can get a theme admin to take it down. |
| 08:59:44 | topik | looking for a list of operatives in that category atm |
| 08:59:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Or you could leave a message here of "Hey my name is X, my email is X_at_X_dotcom, I'm the author of X, could someone please take it down" |
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| 09:00:18 | S_a_i_n_t | someone will see it in the logs and do it for you. |
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| 09:04:29 | amiconn | bluebrother: Does rbutil use voice.pl, or does it otherwise apply the same spelling corrections for various tts languages and vendors as voice.pl? |
| 09:09:27 | * | rasher idly wonders if it might make sense for the manual to use english.lang for interface strings |
| 09:09:43 | JdGordon1 | that sounds like a nightmare to make work |
| 09:10:48 | * | rasher will wait for someone who actually knows about the manual to comment |
| 09:12:38 | rasher | I don't really see why it'd be so problematic. There are already "constants" in use. A file with such constants could easily be generated from a lang file |
| 09:14:02 | rasher | Just needs a new output mode in genlang |
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| 09:15:23 | rasher | And it'd be fairly trivial to cook up a script to trayl through the manual source for strings that are in the lang file |
| 09:15:31 | rasher | Trawl. |
| 09:17:26 | pixelma | rasher: would be nice for a menu overview with the translated strings (showing both your language and the english, so you know what you look for in the manual if you use a different language) - as was discussed a few weeks agp |
| 09:17:32 | pixelma | ago too |
| 09:18:27 | pixelma | maybe it also helps brushing up the chapters in the manual |
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| 09:27:27 | Zagor | I'm a little surprised that even after my mail to both lists, there is still 4 build clients that haven't been restarted |
| 09:28:55 | JdGordon1 | is that 4 still trying to connect or is that 4 which havnt come back online yet? |
| 09:29:43 | Zagor | 4 that continously try to connect |
| 09:39:26 | scorche | Note to all waking devs: please help flesh out ideas on our GSoC ideas list...add some places to seek research for, expand upon the ideas a bit, go into more detail, etc |
| 09:39:52 | scorche | if this isnt done, we dont stand a very good chance at getting into GSoC this year |
| 09:40:31 | Zagor | really? |
| 09:41:00 | scorche | yes |
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| 09:44:22 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | We need to seriously beef up the ideas list *now* or we don’t have much of a chance for GSoC this year | Add ideas, flesh out existing ones with research/suggestions/something - they really need expanding upon/many are too brief | Dig through http://www.rock" by scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 09:44:34 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | We need to seriously beef up the ideas list *now* or we don’t have much of a chance for GSoC this year | Add ideas, flesh out existing ones with research/suggestions/something - they really need expanding upon/many are too brief" by scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
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| 09:49:56 | Zagor | we don't support the full ipod accessory protocol, do we? |
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| 10:05:17 | scorche | anyway, i am going to sleep now...please help that page out when you can in the near future and i will tell some people to have another look at it later today (my time) |
| 10:06:12 | scorche | if nothing much else is changed, i dont know about our status for GSoC, so... |
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| 10:33:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Can anyone tell me why the lang string "Next Track:" has a ":" but "Now Playing" doesn't? |
| 10:34:05 | S_a_i_n_t | It's messing up my WPS :P |
| 10:40:55 | Zagor | iap.c:772 looks odd. it always send the same screen size. |
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| 10:48:27 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: Now playing is used in the menus |
| 10:50:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh right...it is to. |
| 10:50:17 | S_a_i_n_t | bugger. |
| 10:51:14 | JdGordon | I think tomers added the : to next track |
| 10:51:30 | JdGordon | come up with a good way for the wps lang to remove characters and I'll do it |
| 10:52:14 | S_a_i_n_t | well, I mean that's a good thing, with RTL languages "Now Playing:" (you have to add the semicolon) ends up as :XXXX XXXXX. :/ |
| 10:52:48 | CIA-5 | New commit by zagor (r25215): Return real screen size. |
| 10:56:27 | S_a_i_n_t | is there a "is lang RTL or LTR tag? |
| 10:57:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I know of %aL and %aR...but is there one I can use conditionally? |
| 10:57:28 | JdGordon | of course |
| 10:58:19 | JdGordon | umm... or i tihnk there is |
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| 11:00:17 | S_a_i_n_t | if there is...I can't seem to find it. |
| 11:02:16 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd like (if possible) to use ?<rtl|ltr>, or even ?<rtl|> and ?<ltr|>...but I don't think such a tag exists. |
| 11:02:21 | S_a_i_n_t | :/ |
| 11:05:13 | JdGordon | %Sr |
| 11:05:45 | S_a_i_n_t | do you have a link for that, what page is it on? |
| 11:05:57 | S_a_i_n_t | ...and thanks. |
| 11:06:00 | JdGordon | skins_parser,c |
| 11:06:26 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks. |
| 11:08:53 | S_a_i_n_t | My theme is now completely language aware :D |
| 11:09:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I needed to use %Sr to hide/show a semicolon that looked weird when it was RTL |
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| 11:21:07 | Luca_S | wouldn't embedded album art support be a good gsoc idea? |
| 11:21:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I believe the submission has already been sent in. |
| 11:21:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I may be wrong though. |
| 11:21:54 | S_a_i_n_t | But I think it went in a day or so ago. |
| 11:23:01 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: you are both wrong and not wrong |
| 11:23:15 | Luca_S | heisenberg would be proud :D |
| 11:23:19 | gevaerts | Rockbox did apply, but the ideas page is still under construction |
| 11:23:31 | S_a_i_n_t | ahhhhh... |
| 11:23:39 | gevaerts | Luca_S: we don't know where he is, but we do know he's not moving :) |
| 11:25:46 | Luca_S | hm.. on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De it says that fuzev2 lacks buttons. don't we have them at least for dual boot? |
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| 13:34:43 | pamaury | hehe nice green delta ! |
| 13:40:25 | pamaury | gevaerts: this time, this is a binsize green delta ! |
| 13:44:09 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 13:47:02 | pamaury | I think one day I'll become madeand rewrite tagcache. It's way too much complicated and bloated in my opinion but perhaps I can't do better |
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| 15:28:29 | niekie | Greetings. :) |
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| 15:31:06 | niekie | Just wondering if there has been any progress lately on USB support for Sansa Fuze (v1). I'm just about to buy one :) |
| 15:31:43 | funman | niekie: no progress, but you can transfer files with the OF |
| 15:33:05 | niekie | funman: allright :) |
| 15:33:22 | niekie | They seem to have lots of iPods too. But they're out of my budget, even the older ones :) |
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| 15:34:10 | niekie | Hope the one I'm going to buy is actually the v1 though and not sneakily the v2. Though they promised me I can return it for a full refund if it isn't :) |
| 15:34:59 | rvvs89 | niekie: Who are you buying from? |
| 15:35:00 | funman | kugel: is USB_PIN correct for fuzev2 in mkamsboot/dualboot.S ? |
| 15:35:14 | * | kugel added an idea and a sentence or two to some other ideas in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyNoMalloc |
| 15:35:18 | kugel | funman: sure |
| 15:35:19 | niekie | rvvs89: MediaMarkt. |
| 15:35:39 | funman | kugel: i would like to make a new release of mkamsboot which includes the fix for c200v2 and new models |
| 15:35:49 | niekie | (it's a Dutch store) |
| 15:36:02 | funman | right now i'm looking at using ranmachan's code on Clip+ (it doesn't work out of the box) so we have USB check on all models |
| 15:36:11 | rvvs89 | niekie: Thanks. |
| 15:36:20 | kugel | why make a release only for not-even-unstable targets? |
| 15:36:47 | funman | c200v2 is unstable afaik |
| 15:37:11 | kugel | no |
| 15:37:18 | funman | you're right, it's listed as unusable |
| 15:37:54 | funman | but afaik the playback crashes are infrequent (if not completely absent like on the clipv1) so it could go into the higher category |
| 15:38:21 | kugel | let's ask ranmachan :) |
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| 15:38:43 | fred_99 | hi |
| 15:39:13 | fred_99 | little question about battery estimation time |
| 15:39:49 | kugel | funman: the c200v2 probably has the problem that some codecs don't fit into the audio buffer simply because of their filesize |
| 15:40:32 | kugel | ams_lowmem still has a quite oversized plugin buffer, right? |
| 15:40:50 | fred_99 | I looked in the forum and found somebody with the same problem as me but I don't really see, if it is possible to fix it, and how to do it |
| 15:41:16 | funman | kugel: plugin buffer is 0x60000 bytes for those |
| 15:41:56 | funman | bertrik: about Clip+ iram size: I really tested 1MB , but then made the mistake to think that 0x5 * 2 == 0x10, so the Clip+ has 1MB of iram |
| 15:41:59 | kugel | 400k is quite oversized :P |
| 15:42:20 | funman | kugel: afaik it can't go much more below without removing plugins |
| 15:42:24 | kugel | in particular for mono screens like the clip's |
| 15:44:21 | kugel | LARGE_PLUGIN_BUFFER is for buffers >= 0x80000 and it's already below that |
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| 15:44:39 | kugel | (I believe lua depends on LARGE_PLUGIN_BUFFER) |
| 15:46:19 | kugel | the majority of plugins don't need a large buffer, and the others probably don't run on the c200v2 anyway (like doom) |
| 15:46:28 | funman | zxbox.rock is 150kB, without bss |
| 15:46:41 | funman | (just looking at clip) |
| 15:47:01 | kugel | has anyone every run that? :p |
| 15:47:21 | funman | kugel: i had tried to reduce the buffer already, don't remember what was the first plugin to fail |
| 15:47:30 | funman | well not me but who knows |
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| 15:48:23 | kugel | you could stil build large plugins as overlay to run from the audio buffer, that shouldn't be the problem |
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| 15:54:53 | funman | apparently zxbox (biggest) is 280kB on the Clipv1, and plugin ram is 384kB, so we could reduce the buffer |
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| 15:55:46 | gevaerts | funman: some plugins use the remaining size as a buffer |
| 15:55:48 | Torne | is anyone really going to miss zxbox on the clip? |
| 15:55:55 | Torne | surely the screen is way too small |
| 15:56:51 | funman | gevaerts: so there is no way to check if they fit at build time ? |
| 15:57:07 | Torne | it depends how the plugin does it.. |
| 15:57:18 | Torne | several of them try and use the remaining space and if htat doesn't fit, stop playback and use the audio buffer |
| 15:57:22 | gevaerts | funman: well, they will fit, it's just that they might be less practical |
| 15:57:24 | Torne | (frotz does this, but i copied it from another plugin..) |
| 15:57:58 | gevaerts | The smaller the plugin buffer is, the sooner they have to stop playback |
| 15:58:03 | Torne | yeah |
| 15:58:04 | kugel | Torne: I think so too. I doubt anyone would miss zxbox on any target, not on the clip anyway :p |
| 15:58:07 | funman | well the size removed from plugin buffer will be available as audio buffer those will still work, although not with simultaneous playback |
| 15:58:38 | Torne | anyway, i just mean i suspect tha thte larger plugins are also the ones least likely to be useful on the clip anyway |
| 15:58:48 | funman | text editor is just 7kB smaller than zxbox |
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| 15:59:00 | Torne | ..the text editor is over 250KB? |
| 15:59:03 | Torne | what the hell |
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| 15:59:24 | funman | the .rock itself is 4kB |
| 15:59:24 | * | kugel has seen smaller text editors for desktop pcs |
| 15:59:41 | Torne | oh, it has a huge buffer in bss? |
| 15:59:52 | funman | 256kB |
| 15:59:54 | Torne | that sounds like it should be replaced with the above mechanism |
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| 16:00:29 | funman | 24kB if plugin buffer size is below 262kB |
| 16:00:32 | kugel | it could probably handle a smaller buffer as well, as it IIRC can handle files that are larger than 256K |
| 16:01:09 | funman | if we remove zxbox and reduce the buffer size, it would use this smaller buffer |
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| 16:04:13 | kugel | sounds like a plan :) |
| 16:05:41 | funman | looks clearly too small |
| 16:06:44 | funman | if it's too small on c200v2 as well we could disable it for MEMORYSIZE <= 2 |
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| 16:09:34 | funman | hm perhaps screen size would be a better criteria |
| 16:10:26 | fred_99 | does anybody knows what changed since some months about battery time remaining ? |
| 16:10:47 | funman | fred_99: do you see ridiculously high estimated time ? |
| 16:10:53 | fred_99 | yep |
| 16:11:24 | funman | current consumption was never estimated for your model |
| 16:11:37 | funman | previous estimation just used archos numbers |
| 16:11:58 | fred_99 | funman: the thing is that it seems to have files in the web page |
| 16:12:27 | fred_99 | funman: since 2007 |
| 16:12:57 | fred_99 | funman: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IAudioRuntime is it the wright place ? |
| 16:13:04 | funman | zxbox is just disabled for mrobe500 (for no apparent reason), and the overlay was made for archos (which have a small screen just like the clip) |
| 16:13:53 | funman | fred_99: use these numbers to patch firmware/export/config/iaudio*.h |
| 16:15:59 | fred_99 | funman: do you mean, patch, then compile ..... if yes I don't know if I need a crosscompiler or something |
| 16:17:16 | funman | you do, probably better to wait for someone to fix it |
| 16:17:44 | funman | linuxstb: do you have an idea of a proper lcd size needed for zxbox to run properly ? |
| 16:17:59 | fred_99 | funman: ok .... thanks ..... I'm going to have a look |
| 16:18:43 | pixelma | fred_99: what sort of problem do you have with the runtime estimation? |
| 16:19:31 | funman | re: mkamsboot, we need to make sure pclk is at 24MHz and we aren't sure for Clip+ |
| 16:19:43 | pixelma | and did you check the set battery capacity as I assume you have an X5L? |
| 16:19:56 | linuxstb | funman: No. I didn't write it - someone else did, but I may have committed it (before that person was given svn access), So don't believe "svn blame" |
| 16:20:15 | Torne | funman: I'm having a look ;) |
| 16:20:25 | funman | "ported by Anton Romanov" |
| 16:21:23 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, that's not me ;) |
| 16:21:54 | niekie | Well, there goes my Sansa Fuze... |
| 16:21:54 | Torne | funman: It nees 256x192 to output 1:1 |
| 16:22:03 | niekie | Turns out it was a v2 after all, so I exchanged it. |
| 16:22:04 | fred_99 | pixelma: sorry for the late answer .... I have an X5, and the time are really big |
| 16:22:08 | Torne | funman: it does some kind of scaling down to make them smaller |
| 16:22:13 | Torne | for smaller screens. |
| 16:22:25 | funman | yeah i noticed that the whole screen fits |
| 16:22:30 | funman | it's just quite unreadable |
| 16:22:41 | Torne | Yup, it's a quite dumb scaler by the looks of it |
| 16:22:55 | Torne | it's also using greylib as it requires 2bpp |
| 16:23:03 | Torne | (well, at least) |
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| 16:23:24 | pixelma | fred_99: is this an "L" model with the larger battery (longer runtime usually)? |
| 16:23:39 | fred_99 | pixelma: It went wrong a couple of months ago when I updated |
| 16:23:43 | Torne | Hm, no, actually it might just be skipping pixels instead of scaling :) |
| 16:23:44 | fred_99 | pixelma: no |
| 16:24:00 | fred_99 | pixelma: X5 60GB |
| 16:24:09 | Torne | So, yeah, I would naievely assume that the vast majority of spectrum stuff is hideous/unplayable if the target's screen is <256x192 |
| 16:24:36 | fred_99 | pixelma: I changed one the battery but I putted the same ref |
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| 16:24:59 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25218): mkamsboot: update README for Clip+/Fuzev2 |
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| 16:25:44 | Torne | funman: I would suspect nobody would mind if we ifdef'ed it to only build for targets with a screen at least as big as the spectrum's :) |
| 16:26:03 | fred_99 | pixelma: I noticed the wrong values, but lived with it. |
| 16:26:29 | funman | that would leave the zenvisions, ipod video, cowond2 (and onda?) |
| 16:26:35 | fred_99 | pixelma: and today I said, why not try to fix this problem |
| 16:26:37 | gevaerts | Torne: I suspect that you'd be surprised! |
| 16:26:41 | Torne | gevaerts: Well, maybe |
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| 16:26:48 | Torne | but it really does look like it just skips pixels |
| 16:27:03 | Torne | if you look in zxvid_2bpp.c |
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| 16:28:03 | kugel | funman: what's the problem ranmachan is reporting on the forum? |
| 16:28:05 | funman | i'll try on target, to see if it runs at least |
| 16:28:14 | kugel | I was also having problems in lcd_clear_viewport |
| 16:28:32 | kugel | the interrupt I said was triggered could as well be a fault handler |
| 16:28:38 | funman | kugel: recording? |
| 16:28:44 | saratoga | i think the clip crashes occasionally, but with a smaller plugin buffer it'd probably work well enough |
| 16:29:16 | funman | saratoga: when did it crash last? i haven't seen a crash in a loooong time |
| 16:29:17 | saratoga | though i'm confused why, matsch said that he could run music indefinitely on his clip with even smaller buffers then the c200v2 |
| 16:29:23 | saratoga | funman: sorry c200v2 |
| 16:29:31 | pixelma | fred_99: maybe your new battery has a different discharge curve than the stock ones? |
| 16:30:00 | Torne | funman: yeah it is just a fixedpoint implementation of nearest-neighbour :) |
| 16:30:02 | funman | pixelma: i suppose it's just that CURRENT_* aren't defined in config/*.h |
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| 16:30:20 | Torne | funman: so that's going to look wank if the screen is much smaller than the speccy |
| 16:30:21 | kugel | funman: could ranmachan experience the same problem I have on my fuze? |
| 16:30:36 | pixelma | funman: what? |
| 16:30:49 | funman | Torne: well actually Tetris is quite playable on Clip |
| 16:31:03 | Torne | funman: how big is the clip screen? |
| 16:31:06 | funman | 128x64 |
| 16:31:11 | kugel | fuzev2* |
| 16:31:14 | fred_99 | pixelma: my problem occurred after a RB updade , not after my battery change |
| 16:31:20 | funman | kugel: i don't understand |
| 16:31:28 | Torne | so you're throwing out half the columns and two thirds of the rows? |
| 16:31:54 | kugel | do you remember that I reported that I have a problem with my fuze in lcd_init when it calls clear_display? I said disabling interrupts helped |
| 16:31:55 | pixelma | funman: I'm sure the runtime estimation was calibrated on the Iaudios. |
| 16:31:56 | funman | pixelma: see firmware/export/powermgmt.h:79 |
| 16:31:59 | Torne | that really doesn't sound particularly fun :) |
| 16:32:38 | funman | CURRENT_* are model specific, defined in their config/model.h file, and only CURRENT_REMOTE is defined there |
| 16:32:43 | kugel | ranmachan experiences exception handler trigger in the very same code |
| 16:32:58 | kugel | (still talking about fuzev2, sorry) |
| 16:33:02 | funman | kugel: no i don't think so, ranmachan problem comes from buffer overwrite |
| 16:33:04 | pixelma | fred_99: did you check your battery capacity setting? |
| 16:33:23 | fred_99 | 950mAh |
| 16:33:26 | kugel | maybe code is overwritten on my fuzev2 too |
| 16:33:36 | fred_99 | fred_99: 950mAh ? |
| 16:33:45 | kugel | does disable_irq() also disable exception handlers? |
| 16:33:58 | funman | how? the problem comes from recording |
| 16:34:27 | kugel | no, but I consider it possible |
| 16:34:43 | pixelma | fred_99: that's the lowest if I remember correctly, does it match your battery? Although the 60GB X5s usually have these "small" batteries, so I'm not sure |
| 16:35:04 | kugel | of course if I have the same problem, something else (not recording) would overwrite the code |
| 16:35:11 | funman | kugel: only system_init() & kernel_init() at this point |
| 16:35:40 | funman | can you "print" bits with morse code using the backlight ? |
| 16:35:45 | fred_99 | pixelma: I think it is almost good |
| 16:35:48 | kugel | i.e. I could imagine that lcd_clear_viewport which writes to the while lot of the frame buffer overwrites itself overwrites code |
| 16:36:21 | kugel | funman: obviously I have been further that those two functions in my local code |
| 16:37:04 | kugel | lcd_init() definitely crashed/froze in lcd_clear_viewport with interrupts enabled |
| 16:37:20 | pixelma | fred_99: I meant if your new battery has the capacity of 950mAh |
| 16:37:29 | kugel | I haven't tried to turn the backlight off yet, but I could do |
| 16:37:49 | saratoga | we could just make the runtime always be zero if theres no current value defined |
| 16:37:53 | fred_99 | pixelma: nearly or yes |
| 16:37:56 | saratoga | maybe that would be better |
| 16:38:15 | fred_99 | pixelma: let me check my battery order to confirm |
| 16:38:38 | pixelma | funman: that won't tell me much, I just have a *feeling* that you are on the wrong track. Unfortunately I don't know enough and can only talk from a user's point of view (Iaudio M5L though) |
| 16:38:58 | saratoga | i don't know what you're talking about, but i'm pretty sure theres no run time estimation for the iaudios |
| 16:39:25 | fred_99 | pexelma: 1100mAh .... sorry |
| 16:39:49 | saratoga | i don't think the battery capacity setting does anything at all for the iaudio |
| 16:39:56 | pixelma | saratoga: percentage is calibrated |
| 16:39:59 | fred_99 | pixelma: I'm going to change the value, if it exists |
| 16:40:00 | funman | kugel: if you can stop execution a bit before it crashes and "print" the values in memory you could check if it's overwritten or not |
| 16:40:16 | funman | Torne might know if disabling interrupts also disable exceptions |
| 16:40:17 | fred_99 | pixelma: 1100mAh |
| 16:40:38 | Torne | You can't disable exceptions |
| 16:40:45 | Torne | aborts are aborts |
| 16:40:54 | pixelma | saratoga: I don't think amiconn did the battery benchs with the M5L for nothing |
| 16:41:06 | funman | kugel: so i would think it's a spurious interrupt which comes from somewhere |
| 16:41:16 | kugel | probably |
| 16:41:25 | Torne | If you take an abort in IRQ mode then you end up in abort mode with SPSR_abt[4:0] = irqmode |
| 16:41:34 | saratoga | pixelma: i don't think the battery capacity settings has anything to do with the percentage |
| 16:42:07 | kugel | funman: I fear it's the watchdog one we never figured out why it happens |
| 16:42:20 | funman | s/watchdog/interrupt without sources/ |
| 16:42:22 | saratoga | you dont' actually need to know the capacity of a battery to figure out how discharged it is, you just read out the voltage and use that to compute it |
| 16:42:39 | kugel | well, it showed watchdog for quite some time :) |
| 16:42:43 | funman | it printed "watchdog" because no bit was set, and the code ran like only bit 0 was set |
| 16:43:14 | funman | could be the "sandisk watchdog" which checks nobody messes with their hardware :) |
| 16:43:29 | kugel | I could just return in the default handler/remove the panicf if it's that one, right? |
| 16:43:57 | Torne | surely it will just interrupt again though |
| 16:44:07 | Torne | if something is asserting IRQ then you have to make it stop :) |
| 16:44:15 | Torne | otherwise it'll just go back to irq when you reenable interrupts |
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| 16:44:52 | fred_99 | pixelma: I changed, then shutdown and restart, but the elapsed battery time value is almost the same, nearly 80h, and it should be something around 1h |
| 16:45:44 | pixelma | are you looking at the "Running time" screen? |
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| 16:46:31 | saratoga | yes, because there is no runtime estimation for your player |
| 16:46:37 | saratoga | so you won't get a correct value |
| 16:47:14 | saratoga | either scroll up and do what funman told you or ignore the incorrect value |
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| 16:48:01 | fred_99 | pixelma: in my main theme screen, I try to change theme to see if my theme was wrong but it seems no |
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| 16:48:44 | fred_99 | pixelma: yes "Running time" screen |
| 16:49:18 | fred_99 | pixelma: is there an other place to look at to confirm ? |
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| 16:49:26 | Torne | fred_99: We *do not have an estimate* for how much power your player draws |
| 16:49:36 | Torne | fred_99: so, the remaining battery time is meaningless. |
| 16:49:56 | Torne | fred_99: the fix is to go look at the runtimes page and work out what it should be, put it in firmware/export/config/iaudiox5.h, and compile a new rockbox |
| 16:50:08 | Torne | as saratoga has been telling you :) |
| 16:50:26 | pixelma | the "Running Time" screen shows how long the player was run and is no estimate how long it will run |
| 16:50:48 | saratoga | "#if MEM == 8 && !(defined(ARCHOS_ONDIOSP) || defined(ARCHOS_ONDIOFM))" |
| 16:50:56 | saratoga | which devices is that referring to |
| 16:51:07 | pixelma | and on the Iaudio it's not reset on charger connect because this functionality is not implemented yet |
| 16:51:16 | fred_99 | Torne: do you mean this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/IAudioRuntime/battery_bench_x5_1.txt |
| 16:51:25 | saratoga | really? I thought it should be reset now |
| 16:52:20 | pixelma | so the 80-hourish is something that states how long the player was run since you last reset the value |
| 16:52:57 | pixelma | saratoga: Rockbox doesn't know the player is charging on the Iaudios |
| 16:52:58 | fred_99 | Torne: thanks for your reply ..... is there a wiki to explain how to install all the compil stuff on a linux machine ? |
| 16:53:44 | funman | fred_99: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide |
| 16:53:58 | saratoga | pixelma: i think it'll still reset the runtime when you plug in USB |
| 16:54:10 | fred_99 | funman: thanks |
| 16:54:17 | kugel | saratoga: fuze/e200v2, maybe there are other 8MBers (irivier?) |
| 16:54:22 | Torne | fred_99: It would be better if you did some battery benches yourself, and compared them to other recent benches on the wiki, and if it all matches up pretty well using the default settings then maybe we can set the estimate up properly |
| 16:54:38 | Torne | fred_99: if you actually want it fixed, that's the right way :) |
| 16:54:39 | kugel | grep memory tools/configure |
| 16:54:45 | saratoga | kugel: haha so instead of changing some archos runtime it actually messes it up on the Fuze! |
| 16:54:45 | funman | i can only reduce c200v2 plugin buffer by 8kb or so because of rockboy |
| 16:54:58 | * | Strife89 proposes FS #8806 for the GSOC. |
| 16:55:01 | saratoga | does rockboy actually work on such a small screen? |
| 16:55:23 | Strife89 | saratoga: Rockboy is usable for ... some games. |
| 16:55:26 | Darkknight512 | Rockbox has no prob working on my Nano |
| 16:55:32 | kugel | saratoga: what does that #if control? |
| 16:55:32 | fred_99 | Torne: I look to the file pointed by the link and it seems OK for me |
| 16:55:40 | Darkknight512 | rockboy* |
| 16:55:49 | saratoga | kugel: /* assuming 192 kbps, the running time is 22% longer with 8MB */ current = CURRENT_NORMAL*100 / 122; |
| 16:55:56 | saratoga | obviously wrong |
| 16:55:58 | Strife89 | saratoga: Let's just say that Pokemon players had better have the script memorized. |
| 16:56:09 | Torne | fred_99: What? |
| 16:56:12 | fred_99 | Torne: it is quite old but seems OK ... anyway the X5 is old .... but what sound ;) |
| 16:56:31 | Torne | fred_99: The point is that there's no estimate in the code because nobody has taken the time to verify what the right number is |
| 16:56:32 | kugel | saratoga: that probably only refers to the modded recorder8mb |
| 16:56:55 | Torne | fred_99: you saying that some number seems okay to you is not evidence |
| 16:56:58 | pixelma | I've seen Rockboy working (Mario) on an Recorder Screenwise it would have been playable |
| 16:57:07 | * | Strife89 proposes that FS #8802 and FS #10034 (both iPod related patches) be considered for GSOC. |
| 16:57:09 | Torne | fred_99: evidence == battery bench results, with default (or reasonable) settings |
| 16:57:39 | saratoga | kugel: yeah fixing it now |
| 16:57:44 | saratoga | great that its been wrong for years |
| 16:57:46 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25219): Clipv1 & m200v4 : reduce plugin buffer size to strict minimum |
| 16:57:51 | Torne | Strife89: 8802 is not a good idea.. |
| 16:57:57 | pixelma | saratoga: and what if you connect a charger (and no USB)? |
| 16:58:00 | Torne | Strife89: I'm already doing the USB charging rework for this |
| 16:58:01 | gevaerts | Strife89: are you sure you understand what gsoc is? |
| 16:58:07 | Torne | and yeah |
| 16:58:13 | Strife89 | gevaerts: A little. |
| 16:58:14 | Torne | The point is to have students implement a project |
| 16:58:24 | kugel | funman: "strict" minimum? |
| 16:58:28 | Torne | One, large, project that will take them the entire time |
| 16:58:29 | Strife89 | Torne: Ah. ^^; |
| 16:58:39 | funman | saratoga: dunno, but then ppmviewer is quite big as well |
| 16:58:41 | gevaerts | Getting a patch ready for commit isn't really the sort of thing that's good there |
| 16:58:51 | funman | kugel: a few kbytes left |
| 16:58:56 | fred_99 | Torne: I opened the file from /IAudioRuntime page and the times seems to be good |
| 16:58:58 | Torne | Strife89: FS #8802 isn't suitable for commit because our USB charging infrastructure isn't smart enough |
| 16:59:06 | Torne | fred_99: Please read what I said again |
| 16:59:29 | Torne | Strife89: we handle usb charging quite badly; i'm trying to do better but haven't had time to get it ready yet :) |
| 16:59:31 | funman | 0x44000 bytes was too small |
| 16:59:38 | saratoga | pixelma: i have no idea, i don't have the player |
| 16:59:44 | * | Strife89 has a plugin idea that Lambda has agreed to help with. Currently I'm writing a script for it. |
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| 17:00:35 | Strife89 | If the idea holds up, that could be a project, perhaps.... |
| 17:00:38 | Torne | fred_99: There are very few battery benches for the iAudio, and they are all very old |
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| 17:00:55 | Torne | fred_99: If you want to help get proper estimates for the player then you need to do battery benchmarks yourself, and post them |
| 17:01:20 | funman | kugel: perhaps on fuzev2 pclk isn't at the correct frequency for DBOP (or LCD) to work ? |
| 17:01:24 | Torne | fred_99: When there is sufficient data to decide what hte estimate should be, someone will add it :) |
| 17:01:47 | saratoga | anyone want to guess what will happen if I make battery_time return -1 if theres no current value available? |
| 17:02:00 | saratoga | will the WPS code handle it |
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| 17:03:50 | CIA-5 | New commit by saratoga (r25220): Remove some old archos code that caused runtime estimation to be off on AMS players while not actually working on Archos. |
| 17:04:22 | fred_99 | Torne: my battery life is something like 6 hours, how many files with 6 hours are needed ? |
| 17:04:43 | kugel | funman: the fuze sets it to 64 or 62MHz. unless the bits changed (and they didn't going by the disassembly, I even found their CLK_DIV function) we're only 2MHz off |
| 17:04:45 | Torne | "something like 6 hours" is not a benchmark result |
| 17:04:46 | fred_99 | Torne: if not more that 2 I can help .... for sure |
| 17:04:53 | kugel | s/fuze/of/ |
| 17:05:37 | funman | kugel: but CGU_PERI is different on as3525v2 |
| 17:05:44 | fred_99 | Torne: 6 hours of data I meant |
| 17:05:57 | Torne | fred_99: One complete battery bench is *one data point* |
| 17:06:01 | saratoga | kugel: could you make the WPS tag not print if battery_time() returns -1? |
| 17:06:25 | Torne | fred_99: generlaly we would base an estimate on several benches from different people |
| 17:06:39 | kugel | saratoga: I don't understand |
| 17:06:41 | Torne | fred_99: right now there are no bench results for a recent build, so if you do one, then we'll have one :) |
| 17:06:55 | saratoga | kugel: I can make battery_time() return -1 if it doesn't know the battery time |
| 17:06:55 | fred_99 | Torne: ok |
| 17:07:02 | saratoga | could the WPS be made to not print anything in that case? |
| 17:07:05 | kugel | you could add a conditional case for -1, or make it act as if a existing one (like empty) |
| 17:07:20 | Torne | fred_99: if you want to do it multiple times that'd probably be good, but you don't need to upload them all, just check that they are pretty much the same ;) |
| 17:07:34 | fred_99 | Torne: 00:00:26, 00026, 049%, 93:06, 3789, - |
| 17:07:38 | saratoga | kugel: i mean could the wps do that automatically, just have the tag be ifdef'ed out if it won't work |
| 17:07:46 | pixelma | it's still not the runtime estimation fred_99 is looking at (IIUC) |
| 17:07:47 | fred_99 | Torne: is this a bench ? |
| 17:07:56 | Torne | fred_99: No, the *entire logfile* is a battery bench |
| 17:08:05 | saratoga | fred_99: if you just want your player to give you a random number, take your battery capacity in mah and divide by the number of hours you want it to say |
| 17:08:20 | Torne | follow the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BatteryRuntime |
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| 17:08:29 | saratoga | then make that the value for CURRENT_NORMAL normal |
| 17:08:33 | kugel | saratoga: you can make it print nothing, I believe |
| 17:08:40 | Torne | or http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
| 17:08:46 | saratoga | well i can't since I don't even know where the wps code is :) |
| 17:08:46 | kugel | but it's usually used conditionally with images, then this won't work |
| 17:08:56 | saratoga | hmm ok |
| 17:09:04 | saratoga | would having it return -1 be ok? |
| 17:09:22 | fred_99 | saratoga: ok ok, sorry .... again ..... I use rockbox for quite a long time now and never help .... if it's not possible |
| 17:09:30 | kugel | if that return code is free, sure. you would add a case in skin_tokens.c then |
| 17:09:49 | kugel | maybe assign the same value to *intval that's assigned for an empty or full battery |
| 17:10:04 | fred_99 | saratoga: I will continue to listen to the music .. with or without battery time left |
| 17:10:08 | kugel | I believe there actually is a "special" case in the conditional but I'm not too sure |
| 17:10:20 | saratoga | kugel: this is for runtime estimation right? not battery capacity |
| 17:10:39 | saratoga | the percentage value you get is something else, this is the thing that says you have X minutes remaining |
| 17:11:07 | Torne | fred_99: saratoga and kugel are talking about something else; they are discussing how to get rid of the nonsense values on the players without known estimates by replacing htem with no value at all |
| 17:11:10 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Power_Related_Information shows that %bl's first case is actually -1 for battery level unknown |
| 17:11:20 | Torne | fred_99: If you want to help, then do a battery bench for your player, following the process on the wiki, and post it on the wiki |
| 17:11:40 | saratoga | kugel: this would be %bt not %bl I think |
| 17:11:41 | Torne | fred_99: If we can get several recent battery benches for that model then a real estimate can be added |
| 17:11:43 | kugel | you could simply always return that on targets with no estimation |
| 17:11:54 | funman | you need 2 battery benches: one with the backlight on, one with the backlight off |
| 17:11:55 | fred_99 | Torne: I will do it |
| 17:12:04 | Torne | fred_99: if you just want your player to display a different value, then edit the code and compile it yourself, but that doesn't help us |
| 17:12:20 | Torne | ah yes, as funman says: with and without backlight |
| 17:12:26 | kugel | %bt should be easy to change |
| 17:12:58 | saratoga | kugel: could you give me a patch to have it ignore -1 values and print nothing at all then? |
| 17:13:04 | fred_99 | funman: thanks for your help ..... and I will also try what you said before about the .h file |
| 17:13:10 | saratoga | i'll change powermanagment to handle that |
| 17:14:11 | kugel | it's supposed to show ?h:?m as of the current code |
| 17:14:44 | kugel | it already checks battery_time() >= 0 |
| 17:15:07 | CIA-5 | New commit by saratoga (r25221): Forgot the # |
| 17:15:40 | saratoga | ah so it should jsut work |
| 17:24:26 | saratoga | kugel: ok it shows a question mark instead of a wrong time, would you consider this better ? |
| 17:24:45 | saratoga | oh huh that might be the WPS that does it? |
| 17:24:54 | saratoga | what does this mean: %?bt< %bt>%ar%?pp<[%pp/%pe]> |
| 17:24:59 | fred_99 | Torne: the "Battery Benchmark" page says that we can use the RB as normal, and the battery_bench.txt file says to play a couple of songs until my battery is dead ..... so what's the better thing to do ? |
| 17:25:21 | Torne | fred_99: Set up a playlist that's longer than the ram you have in your player, and put it on repeat |
| 17:25:27 | Torne | and leave it alone until the battery is dead |
| 17:25:33 | kugel | saratoga: bt cannot be used conditionally |
| 17:28:11 | pixelma | Torne: the playlist doesn't need to be larger than RAM, Rockbox would fill the rest with the next "round" as much as fits |
| 17:28:33 | fred_99 | Torne: one with light and one without, like said funman |
| 17:28:43 | Torne | ah, clearly i am assuming too much about buffering ;) |
| 17:28:55 | fred_99 | Torne: I guess battery must be full charged |
| 17:29:00 | Torne | yup |
| 17:29:14 | Torne | pixelma: doesn't hurt, though :) |
| 17:30:30 | fred_99 | Torne: so it will take a couple of days but I will do it ..... thanks again for all the people here doing a great job |
| 17:32:54 | fred_99 | an other question, my USB doesn't work anymore between RB and my Linux laptop ..... any clue |
| 17:33:59 | fred_99 | I have to boot iaudio OS to access my HD ..... and I can remember it was working before |
| 17:35:16 | gevaerts | hm, I think my X5 does that too. I've been assuming that it was a hardware issue, but if yours is the same... |
| 17:35:17 | fred_99 | var/log/messages.log shows nothing at all on both the 2 X5 usb ports |
| 17:36:07 | fred_99 | gevaerts: I remember the one with the adaptator was working .... but quite a long time ago |
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| 17:39:52 | pixelma | no problem here on my M5 with recent builds connected to the standard USB, haven't tried the subpack one. The side USB is different to those of the X5 though |
| 17:40:42 | fred_99 | Torne: when I read "The best method for determining if the device is still on (if this cannot be determined by looking at it) is to listen briefly at the headphones." .... |
| 17:41:16 | fred_99 | Torne: does that mean the test have to be done without head phones ? |
| 17:42:37 | evilnick_B | fred_99: headphones should be left plugged in |
| 17:43:08 | evilnick_B | i.e. you're trying to simulate using the DAP for as long as possible before the battery runs out |
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| 17:43:45 | evilnick_B | Although given that your test will be a large number of hours, it's not usual for the tester to listen to the headphones 100% of the time the test is running :) |
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| 17:46:19 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: "listen briefly" was stange for me ..... how my X5 , which I love .... can know if I listen or not ;) |
| 17:46:58 | evilnick_B | Ah, well that's the Rockbox plugin "Sentience" (joking) |
| 17:49:01 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: sorry .... my vocabulary doen't cover this |
| 17:50:26 | evilnick_B | fred_99: It's offtopic, but sentience is what something has if it's alive! :) |
| 17:51:32 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: man Sentience ..... on the web ..... |
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| 17:53:43 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I just read that we don't have a word for this in french |
| 17:55:03 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: so now I can laugh |
| 17:55:17 | evilnick_B | :) |
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| 18:13:27 | CIA-5 | New commit by saratoga (r25222): Disable runtime estimation altogether when there is no runtime current defined. It doens't work and people somehow got confused by seeing obviously ... |
| 18:17:52 | saratoga | ha all the green entries on the build table are the devices with no runtime estimation |
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| 18:20:51 | gevaerts | saratoga: any idea what happened to the fm recorder? |
| 18:21:29 | funman | too much runtime estimation? :) |
| 18:22:07 | funman | gevaerts: i remember seeing the same difference earlier for this target in random commits |
| 18:25:01 | kugel | that happened to the c200v2 once as well (assuming the next commit well correct it) |
| 18:25:39 | gevaerts | building those two revisions here gives a zero delta |
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| 18:33:52 | funman | kugel: so anything against making a mkamsboot1.2 today ? |
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| 18:38:26 | gevaerts | scorche: ping |
| 18:39:32 | gevaerts | Does "many are too brief" mean that the more elaborate ones are ok? |
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| 18:59:10 | saratoga | the c200v2 and clipv1 probably can use the same estimation |
| 18:59:39 | bluebrother | amiconn: rbutil does not use voice.pl, and as far as I know it doesn't do any spelling corrections. That's definitely something that needs improvement. |
| 18:59:44 | funman | doesn't the OLED need less power ? |
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| 19:01:07 | saratoga | why is current normal larger on the fuze then clip they have the same processor |
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| 19:01:35 | funman | dunno |
| 19:02:28 | funman | ah perhaps memory ? |
| 19:02:51 | funman | the 2Mb memory is 'low-power' according to MPMC setting, and 8Mb is high efficiency |
| 19:03:15 | saratoga | well probably not 15 ma more power |
| 19:03:43 | saratoga | i'll leave it alone for now, i assume we'll be changing the runtime on the fuze a lot in the future anyway |
| 19:04:46 | Luca_S | is there a wiki page that explains how to disassemble the fuzev2 OF? |
| 19:05:05 | Luca_S | or, even better, is a disassembly already online somewhere? |
| 19:05:22 | saratoga | we can't post disassembly since its not our code |
| 19:05:37 | Luca_S | makes sense indeed |
| 19:06:13 | Luca_S | is *nix necessary to disassemble it? |
| 19:06:23 | CIA-5 | New commit by saratoga (r25223): Add basic runtime estimation for the c200v2 (taken from Clipv1) and e200v2 (taken from fuzev1). |
| 19:06:29 | saratoga | no |
| 19:06:47 | saratoga | the rockbox dev tools should be enough, although there are also ways to do it without them |
| 19:07:31 | saratoga | i think you'll want to use utils/AMS/hacking/amsinfo.c either way though |
| 19:07:47 | funman | Luca_S: i think sharing publicly disassembly is not legal because the OF is copyright Sandisk (or whoever wrote it) |
| 19:09:09 | * | kugel thinks it's ought to be impossible to have copyright on code that is generated by software you didn't write yourself |
| 19:09:11 | funman | Luca_S: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSFirmware#Blocks_Description can help a bit perhaps |
| 19:09:41 | funman | kugel: disassembly is reversible to the copyrighted code |
| 19:10:16 | funman | FlynDice: ping |
| 19:10:35 | Luca_S | so amsinfo is used to extract the main firmware image from the full firmware file, right? |
| 19:10:44 | kugel | that doesn't change the fact that you did not write the machine code but instead let a third-party software generate it |
| 19:11:08 | Luca_S | and its output should be in turn feeded to a disassembler? |
| 19:11:30 | funman | Luca_S: right, amsinfo also extracts the 'library' blocks which can be disassembled as well |
| 19:11:32 | kugel | and most importantly, other compilers generate other code, which means you would have the same copyright on (slightly) different programs |
| 19:11:39 | kugel | but that's just my opinion :) |
| 19:11:51 | funman | most of the information is in the file 'firmware' which you can disassemble from address 0 though |
| 19:12:19 | Luca_S | after that, can I use the command line at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg141006#msg141006 to decompile? |
| 19:12:42 | saratoga | the theory is that the disassembly is simply another representation of the creative work contained in the original binary, and thus equivalent to the original |
| 19:12:50 | funman | yes, just skip start-address & stop-address if you use amsinfo output |
| 19:13:50 | funman | -Mforce-thumb will generate thumb disassembly, but only parts of the OF are in thumb, other parts are arm (32bits) and plain data |
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| 19:15:36 | funman | btw can someone test the new Clipv2 OF released yesterday with mkamsboot ? |
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| 19:19:31 | FlynDice | funman: pong |
| 19:20:11 | funman | i want to make a 1.2 release of mkamsboot with c200v2 fix and clip+/fuzev2 support, anything against? |
| 19:21:47 | FlynDice | I've got nothing against it, but that's almost like asking the dog how he likes the tv show... ;-) |
| 19:22:02 | funman | hm ok :/ |
| 19:22:12 | kugel | I stull don't see a point of doing a release solely for targets that are not released (or even usable), but people will probably be happy about the new OF versions supported |
| 19:22:18 | funman | i'll just wait for someone to test clipv2 OF |
| 19:22:24 | kugel | still* |
| 19:22:36 | funman | kugel: with released targets you can use rbutil anwyay |
| 19:22:59 | kugel | does that support more of versions? |
| 19:23:14 | funman | yes rbutil is built with svn mkamsboot |
| 19:23:36 | kugel | oh, well |
| 19:23:59 | funman | and we could get more c200v2 testers |
| 19:25:24 | kugel | so my arguments stand but if you really want it go for it |
| 19:25:54 | kugel | mkamsboot isn't my area you know :) |
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| 19:29:05 | Luca_S | kugel: does the svn boot loader for the fuzev2 recognize buttons? on the wiki it says that fuzev2 does not have buttons yet... |
| 19:29:38 | kugel | no it doesn't but I have disassembled the OF routines for button reading |
| 19:29:55 | mt2 | Is there a problem with the build server ? |
| 19:29:57 | kugel | it's just hard to implement a driver from it without display :) |
| 19:30:28 | FlynDice | btw, re clip+ uSD. Still trying to "find" the card. I've got everything working as far as INTERNAL_AS3525 & SD_SLOT_AS3525 go. All I need to do is find out how to access the damn card! |
| 19:31:37 | Luca_S | I have to agree :) I guess it's very different from the v1 or the other AMS sansas then? |
| 19:31:38 | funman | FlynDice: did you set bits 20:16 of CMD register? |
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| 19:33:11 | FlynDice | yes, when I do that the card detect register shows 0x0 and without it card_detect shows 0x2, still experimenting |
| 19:33:32 | kugel | Luca_S: it's not very different from the old button driver we had (reading from GPIO), it might even be the same |
| 19:33:56 | funman | kugel: did you find some code about button light ? |
| 19:34:04 | kugel | no |
| 19:34:22 | FlynDice | Setting B5 seems to have no effect also |
| 19:34:32 | gevaerts | Zagor: is the build server OK? |
| 19:35:22 | Luca_S | ah, it uses GPIOs? they're not listed on the SansaAMSHardwareMappings page |
| 19:36:04 | kugel | because I don't know which GPIO corresponds to which button |
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| 19:37:12 | funman | kugel: try B5 |
| 19:37:44 | kugel | is that a wild guess? |
| 19:37:54 | funman | no |
| 19:38:16 | funman | i compared fuzev1 & fuzev2 OF side by side |
| 19:38:57 | kugel | can you give me the address? |
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| 19:39:14 | FlynDice | back later |
| 19:41:53 | funman | fuzev2-1-17: 0x862C, fuzev1-1-11: 0x44D8 - they're both called at the end of the "Control" thread |
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| 19:44:47 | kugel | funman: ah thanks! I have that function but I didn't connect it to buttonlight (I don't have a fuzev1 disassembly) |
| 19:45:01 | kugel | set_clear_GPIOB5() :P |
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| 19:52:15 | kugel | funman: and the function directly below calls lcd_enable and some backlight stuff, as I see it |
| 19:58:47 | funman | i called it toggle_hardware |
| 19:59:56 | kugel | does that call backlight_set_brightness() ? I haven't investigated the backlight related function there, but I can only turn the backlight on as of now, not set the brightness or turn it off |
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| 20:00:07 | kugel | as I haven't found backlight_set_brightness yet |
| 20:02:25 | kugel | can someone look at the warning the fuze bootloader produces? |
| 20:02:29 | kugel | I find it very strange.. |
| 20:04:24 | funman | which warning? |
| 20:04:39 | kugel | /home/kugel/rbdev/rockbox-git/bootloader/show_logo.c:50: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘lcd_bitmap’ from incompatible pointer type |
| 20:05:41 | funman | http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=25222;type=sansafuzeboot < no warnings |
| 20:06:06 | kugel | oh it's on the build table? |
| 20:07:50 | kugel | \☺/ |
| 20:07:52 | funman | fuze or fuzev2 ? |
| 20:08:15 | kugel | fuzev2, sorry. still need to get used to it |
| 20:08:31 | kugel | buttonlight works |
| 20:08:40 | funman | nice! |
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| 20:11:35 | Zagor | gevaerts: I think so? |
| 20:11:59 | gevaerts | Zagor: well, it claims to be one hour late... |
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| 20:12:26 | Zagor | oh |
| 20:12:33 | gevaerts | This *might* be related to this query I was running on the database |
| 20:14:50 | Zagor | "Ending round due to lack of clients" |
| 20:15:10 | Zagor | looks like some network glitch kicked off every connection |
| 20:15:34 | mt2 | I keep getting : Server socket disconnected! Cleanup and restart. |
| 20:15:55 | Zagor | mt2: yeah I restarted it a few times now to see if everything was fine |
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| 20:16:06 | Zagor | now you're working :-) |
| 20:16:11 | gevaerts | Possibly the server couldn't get at the database fast enough due to my interesting query? |
| 20:16:12 | mt2 | Ah it's building now :) |
| 20:16:46 | Zagor | gevaerts: maybe, but I don't think so. it didn't look like a timeout. |
| 20:16:57 | gevaerts | Zagor: shall I run it again? :) |
| 20:17:21 | Zagor | what was it? mysqld had spent quite some time on it... |
| 20:17:37 | gevaerts | select a.client,b.client, a.id as target,a.revision as revision, a.ramsize as ram ,a.binsize as bin ,a.ramsize-b.ramsize as ramdelta,a.binsize-b.binsize as bindelta from builds a,builds b where b.revision=(select max(revision) from builds where revision<a.revision and ramsize>0 and ramsize<10000000 and id=a.id) and a.ramsize>0 and a.ramsize<10000000 and a.id=b.id order by abs(ramdelta) desc limit 20; |
| 20:17:50 | gevaerts | Basically, "show me the 20 biggest deltas" |
| 20:18:08 | gevaerts | the ramsize<10000000 is there for historical reasons |
| 20:18:19 | Zagor | perhaps you'd like a copy of the database for that? :) |
| 20:18:45 | gevaerts | Actually, I suspect that I mostly would like some indexes :) |
| 20:19:22 | Zagor | that's probably a good idea |
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| 20:22:36 | JohannesSM64 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/190421/ this is my ipod video |
| 20:22:38 | JohannesSM64 | something broken here? |
| 20:22:46 | JohannesSM64 | it works, but |
| 20:22:50 | JohannesSM64 | can i remove the empty partition? |
| 20:23:12 | JohannesSM64 | it causes some mounting annoyances |
| 20:23:31 | mt2 | to use a commandhook, do I add -commandhook:hook.sh to runclient.sh ? |
| 20:23:47 | mt2 | *s/:hook/=hook/ |
| 20:24:20 | Zagor | mt2: yes |
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| 20:24:38 | Zagor | sorry, no. add it to the rbclient.pl command line in runclient.sh |
| 20:24:56 | domonoky | JohannesSM64: the AppleOS (and our bootloader) is in this empty partition. so dont remove it. |
| 20:25:13 | mt2 | Zagor: That's what I meant. Thanks ! |
| 20:25:30 | JohannesSM64 | ah :v |
| 20:25:33 | kugel | funman: no "backlight brightness" on the clip yet? |
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| 20:26:34 | funman | kugel: is that even possible ? i can tune the contrast at least |
| 20:27:07 | funman | there's no backlight on OLED screen |
| 20:27:32 | kugel | that's why the "", but contrast is probably the thing I was thinking of |
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| 20:38:48 | TanKCR | hello all |
| 20:39:21 | TanKCR | Does anyone know of an alternative for the classic 160? I will try it even if its in alpha |
| 20:39:57 | GodEater | there's nothing to try |
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| 20:41:21 | TanKCR | k, thank you, have checked a couple differant options and was hoping there was something out there |
| 20:41:39 | GodEater | iiuc we've barely got code running on the 160 |
| 20:42:01 | GodEater | there's certainly nothing to see / hear |
| 20:42:04 | TanKCR | did apple lock it down or something? |
| 20:42:12 | AlexP | yes |
| 20:42:21 | AlexP | and no docs either |
| 20:42:25 | GodEater | more or less the same way they've done with all their ipods since the Nano 2G |
| 20:42:29 | funman | AlexP: i remember you have a clipv2 ? |
| 20:42:29 | TanKCR | I hate companies that pull that crap |
| 20:42:39 | AlexP | funman: nope, just v1 |
| 20:42:40 | GodEater | then why buy from them ? |
| 20:43:04 | TanKCR | Accessories, it has the most interface options, that is really the only reason |
| 20:43:22 | GodEater | most of which won't work with Rockbox |
| 20:43:30 | GodEater | even when / if we get it running |
| 20:43:54 | TanKCR | always worth a try though, lol |
| 20:44:33 | TanKCR | kinda been toying with my car interface which will read most hard drive and ipod devices |
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| 20:54:54 | saratoga | punman: any interst in doing GSOC mentoring this summer? |
| 20:55:22 | punman | no |
| 20:55:55 | kugel | punman: can I use ascodec_write for i2c_write_weird? |
| 20:56:09 | punman | i could probably help students on irc/mailing lists but i can't promise fulltime mentoring |
| 20:56:37 | punman | kugel: yes it should work, usb detection, rtc, backlight etc works on Clipv2/Clip+ |
| 20:57:12 | kugel | good, I'm pretty sure I found backlight_set_brightness, also it does fix up the passed value a lot |
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| 20:59:02 | saratoga | punman: thats fine, if you're interseted in any of the projects you should still put your name down, even if you're not going to be a full time mentor |
| 20:59:10 | saratoga | i think this is mostly about showing google we have interest |
| 20:59:13 | domonoky | punman: so volunteer for backup mentor in a area of your interest, it will earn you a google shirt :-) |
| 20:59:57 | punman | also i'm thinking about moving so i'm not sure i'll even have itnernet access this summer |
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| 21:06:45 | punman | i'll add myself in "Backup Mentors" (once gevaerts has finished editing) |
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| 21:08:42 | gevaerts | punman: done |
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| 21:14:16 | mt2 | saratoga: I could add myself as a backup mentor for codecs, but I might also be applying as a student, would that be acceptable ? |
| 21:15:00 | saratoga | mt2: I probably wouldn't if you're also applying |
| 21:17:03 | kugel | I think that's not posible |
| 21:18:08 | mt2 | Yeah I thought so. Just wanted to make sure ... |
| 21:18:26 | kugel | hmm, sleep() doesn't work on the fuzev2 |
| 21:18:40 | punman | kugel: if interrupts are disabled, ticks too ! |
| 21:19:49 | kugel | oh I didn't assumed kernel or system init enables them |
| 21:20:01 | kugel | s/didn't// |
| 21:20:24 | kugel | still doesn't work |
| 21:21:19 | punman | can you blink fast the button light in a kernel tick, so you know if it's running ? |
| 21:21:32 | bluebrother | anyone thoughts on my svg version of the rbutil / website icon? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rockbox-clef-2.svg |
| 21:21:36 | punman | perhaps make it blink every 50 ticks or so |
| 21:21:53 | kugel | that's what I'm trying |
| 21:21:55 | punman | bluebrother: 404 |
| 21:22:10 | kugel | even a single sleep(HZ) doesn't work |
| 21:22:37 | bluebrother | punman: strange, works for me. |
| 21:23:06 | punman | ah it's ok now: looks nice! |
| 21:23:59 | bluebrother | it's taken from the svg logo thats in the manual, but I've rotated it a bit and made it wider. |
| 21:24:43 | bluebrother | there's also the (unrotated) first version, but that looks too thin imo, especially when considering that it might get scaled down to 16x16px or so: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rockbox-clef.svg |
| 21:25:01 | amiconn | saratoga: 8MB and not Ondio refers to the 8MB mod for hdd-based archoses |
| 21:25:09 | amiconn | And the 22% are exactly for that |
| 21:25:52 | saratoga | amiconn: thats what i figured, I added it to the config files, so hopefully its working again (previously it would give 122% of the nonsense value of 5 mA) |
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| 21:27:08 | amiconn | saratoga: You only added it for the v1 recorder. It also applies to the fm, v2, and to the Player |
| 21:28:04 | kugel | punman: interesting, the scrollwheel version timer setup doesn't appear to work anymore. sleep works if I #undef HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL |
| 21:28:06 | amiconn | bluebrother: Does Qt provide a method to evaluate regular experssions? |
| 21:28:47 | domonoky | amiconn: yes, QRegExp |
| 21:28:52 | bluebrother | amiconn: yes, see http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qregexp.html |
| 21:29:21 | amiconn | Perhaps it would be possible to put the regular expressions in a separate file, so they could both be used by voice.pl and built into rbutil? |
| 21:29:32 | * | bluebrother too slow |
| 21:29:38 | amiconn | It would avoid duplication |
| 21:29:45 | bluebrother | amiconn: just wanted to suggest something like that ;-) |
| 21:29:47 | punman | kugel: where is the scrollwheel version timer setup ? (i know nothing about scrollwheel) |
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| 21:30:43 | kugel | funman: kernel-as3525.c |
| 21:31:13 | funman | hm so that would mean dbop isn't working? |
| 21:31:29 | kugel | possibly |
| 21:31:39 | bluebrother | ok, "QRegExp is modeled on Perl's regexp language." sounds good :) |
| 21:31:43 | saratoga | amiconn: ah so all of them need a check for 8MB of RAM? |
| 21:31:44 | funman | perhaps try changing the CGU_DBOP divider |
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| 21:32:17 | amiconn | saratoga: Yes. I don't know how many 8MB modded archoses of each type existed, or still exist, though |
| 21:32:35 | amiconn | This doesn't apply to Ondios because of no spinups |
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| 21:34:08 | domonoky | the "problem" with string corrections in rbutil for voice, is more the question where to put it best in rbutil. |
| 21:34:28 | amiconn | "where" in what sense? |
| 21:34:35 | amiconn | The user doesn't need to see them |
| 21:34:47 | domonoky | where in the code. |
| 21:36:20 | domonoky | the current corrections in voice.pl use a hierarchy of language -> tts vendor -> tts voice, which corrections on all levels. you need to find a spot in rbutils code where you know all that, and its still a common place for all voice operations. |
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| 21:40:14 | liar | TheSeven: if that additional battery consumption is because of iloader, do you have an idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:40:35 | * | domonoky remembers, that since his last rework all voice operations go through TalkGenerator, so thats probably the place where the voice corrections should go :-) |
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| 21:45:07 | TheSeven | liar: i'm not sure about it, it's just an idea that some hardware init might be different |
| 21:47:29 | liar | yeah but which one? |
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| 22:22:42 | bluebroth3r | pixelma, domonoky: any thoughts on the icon svg? |
| 22:23:24 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: i think its rotated a bit too much. the thicker lines are fine. |
| 22:23:42 | * | bluebroth3r shouldn't have mentioned its rotated :) |
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| 22:26:45 | domonoky | it looks a bit like it will fall over :-) |
| 22:27:46 | bluebroth3r | remember that it will get scaled down in most cases. Not sure if windows will actually use it at all or if that uses the resource icon. |
| 22:27:55 | bluebroth3r | slightly less rotated clef: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rockbox-clef-3.svg |
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| 22:28:29 | * | bluebroth3r plans testing on KDE with biiig icons later |
| 22:28:46 | domonoky | looks better. use it :-) |
| 22:29:04 | liar | TheSeven: which part in the nano2g is likely to cause ~10mA additional battery consumption? |
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| 22:30:17 | TheSeven | no idea |
| 22:30:28 | TheSeven | but i'm also observing 6-7mA too much |
| 22:31:03 | liar | ah okay so its not just a weirdness of my nano2g again :-) |
| 22:31:27 | TheSeven | 22-23 instead of 16-17 over here... |
| 22:31:35 | TheSeven | (backlight off) |
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| 22:38:23 | liar | seems similar to mine |
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| 22:40:45 | DV | hi everyone |
| 22:41:14 | DV | i would like no <3 to work with Rockbox upcoming summer |
| 22:41:34 | DV | I am a potential GSOC student |
| 22:41:54 | DV | and would like to undertake a project for making Rockbox as an application |
| 22:42:02 | gevaerts | Welcome! |
| 22:42:23 | Torne | i assume we put that on the list already |
| 22:42:30 | Torne | it seems like an obvious one ;) |
| 22:42:35 | gevaerts | We did, yes |
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| 22:44:13 | gevaerts | DV: the project selection is still ongoing, so we can't say for sure yet that we'll be participating, but RaaA is definitely something we're interested in |
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| 22:53:05 | kugel | DV_: so would I :) |
| 22:54:15 | linuxstb | DV_: If you're serious about working on Rockbox for SoC, then the best way you can show us is to start getting involved in the project now - i.e. download the code and start submitting patches. |
| 22:54:58 | gevaerts | kugel: the same goes for you ;) |
| 22:55:09 | DV_ | k, sure |
| 22:55:16 | DV_ | kugel: which project u interested in? |
| 22:55:40 | kugel | rockbox as an app as well |
| 22:56:00 | kugel | and please use real words :) |
| 22:57:13 | domonoky | DV_: do you have any rockboxable mp3players ? and for which RaaA platform would you be interested in ? |
| 22:57:30 | DV_ | Androids and Iphones |
| 22:58:59 | DV_ | domonoky: i would like to suggest also one thing for discussion |
| 22:59:02 | domonoky | we just discussed, that iphones arent a ideal target. they wont let us into the appstore, so it would only work on jailbraked iphones |
| 22:59:16 | DV_ | ohhh. |
| 22:59:20 | DV_ | k, |
| 22:59:24 | kugel | domonoky: has anyone tried? :) |
| 22:59:43 | kugel | would be hilarious if they let us |
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| 23:00:06 | domonoky | kugel: not with rockbox. but they dont allow gpl and any apps which duplicate functionaltiy. |
| 23:00:17 | gevaerts | kugel: if they would do that, for how long do you think it would stay in? |
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| 23:00:28 | domonoky | DV_: tell us your suggestion ! :-) |
| 23:00:42 | kugel | they don't allow gpl? I wasn't aware of that |
| 23:01:18 | DV_ | yeah, not even me, I was thinking of |
| 23:01:25 | DV_ | Flex 4 SDK and AIR 2.O |
| 23:01:32 | DV_ | but now that Iphone is out |
| 23:02:32 | gevaerts | Well, I wouldn't say it's definitely out, but it's not out preferred platform |
| 23:03:10 | DV_ | but android is still important right? |
| 23:03:43 | gevaerts | definitely |
| 23:04:01 | DV_ | i'll play with rockbox codes than for a while, i think java can be used for app on android easily |
| 23:04:03 | domonoky | android is much much better target |
| 23:04:32 | domonoky | DV_: you would have to use the NDK on android, rockbox is C not java. |
| 23:04:35 | kugel | we'd probably want to avoid java as much as possible. our entire code base is C |
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| 23:05:05 | domonoky | so probably just some java loaders and in/output wrappers. |
| 23:05:43 | gevaerts | At least to get started, later on you can think about moving bits of the UI to java I guess |
| 23:06:02 | DV_ | k, :) |
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| 23:13:37 | pamaury | what is HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS ? |
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| 23:15:07 | domonoky | pamaury: i think it controls if a target has a EEPROM to permanently store some settings. other targets without htis store these as (binary) file on hd. |
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| 23:15:44 | domonoky | i think only the old archos players have this eeprom settings. |
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| 23:16:50 | pamaury | domonoky: but then, why when it's enabled, dircache and tagcache use it to storage settings on a file in the hd ? At least, that's what I understand from the code |
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| 23:18:38 | checker | is the playlist viewer included in 3.5? |
| 23:19:12 | checker | is the playlist viewer included in 3.5? |
| 23:19:43 | gevaerts | I think so, yes |
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| 23:19:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by lenzone10 (r25224): Updated italian translation. |
| 23:20:08 | domonoky | pamaury: sorry it dont know :-) |
| 23:20:31 | checker | is there a error in this then, "%Vp|2|%pp. %ia|%pp. %d2|" - sorry first time working with the viewer |
| 23:23:37 | JdGordon | %d cant go in the viewer |
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| 23:24:41 | checker | ah. |
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| 23:27:41 | linuxstb | mt2: Are you mt? |
| 23:28:03 | mt2 | linuxstb: Yes |
| 23:28:41 | linuxstb | mt2: If you're editing the SoC page, please come to #rockbox-gsoc, where we're all discussing it. |
| 23:29:20 | scorche | that goes for anyone else interested in mentoring GSoC projects, or having any say in it at all, really ;) (the join #rockbox-gsoc part) |
| 23:29:43 | mt2 | linuxstb: OK, Thanks for notifying me. I was just fixing a (really) tiny spelling mistake though. |
| 23:30:35 | mt2 | scorche: I'm getting that the channel is invite-only, and that I need an invitation from another member. |
| 23:31:02 | scorche | mt2: you need to identify yourself to freenode...only people with a claok can join |
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| 23:38:59 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25225): A tiny bit more Sansa Fuze v2 work. ... |
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| 23:40:27 | checker | if the playlist viewer can display filepath (using %fp) why cant it display directories? |
| 23:41:07 | JdGordon | because it cant (yet) |
| 23:42:15 | checker | ok :D |
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| 23:46:03 | checker | anyway to center it? |
| 23:46:13 | JdGordon | %ac |
| 23:46:26 | checker | put it before %Vp? or in the sections |
| 23:46:34 | JdGordon | inside it |
| 23:47:13 | checker | %Vp|2|%ac%pp. %it|%ac%pp. %fn| |
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icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).