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| 00:07:53 | JdGordon | pamaury: being able to resume a playlist, and be able to save the search would be awesome |
| 00:08:01 | JdGordon | instead of adding each track manually |
| 00:08:08 | JdGordon | so it works more like the file browser |
| 00:08:58 | sevv | Hi guys, I'm glad this exists. I've been using rockbox on my 4th gen greyscale ipod for about 6 months ago. This morning it was in my pocket and the hold button wasn't on. When I looked at it I was in some sort of bios boot menu, I hit play trying to find a quit button and it clicked on "Wheel" and rebooted... now my wheel doesn't work to navigate the menus. I've spent an hour looking around in the manual and the wiki for what that was... is this RoLo? How do |
| 00:09:01 | pamaury | hum, resuming playlist has to do with tagcache ? |
| 00:09:23 | pamaury | and what do you mean by save the search ? |
| 00:10:45 | JdGordon | when you build a playlist from the db each track is added seperatly. when you do a dirplay from the file browser a single line gets added to the playlist control file |
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| 00:11:28 | linuxstb | sevv: That sounds likely to be Apple's "diagnostics mode". It shouldn't break anything though - just hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod (if you haven't already). |
| 00:11:49 | pamaury | ah ok, I don't know if there is a simple *fix* for this but I can have a look |
| 00:12:08 | sevv | linuxstb: I've tried this but after I reboot I still can't use the wheel. |
| 00:12:24 | sevv | linuxstb: I can click buttons on the wheel, I just can't spin my finger on it to navigate menus. |
| 00:13:03 | pamaury | I admit that my curreny concern is understanding why the hell tagcache contains so much code for something that seems no so complex. The code seems to be always the same but slighly different, it drives me mad, it's horrible to understand |
| 00:13:50 | sevv | linuxstb: the font was huge, there were 5 or 6 things to select on it, the first being Wheel |
| 00:14:53 | linuxstb | sevv: Reset again, then hold SELECT+LEFT - that should take you back there. But I wouldn't have expected that to have made any permanent changes. |
| 00:15:19 | sevv | linuxstb: interesting! it now says IRAMPASS HIT PLAY CONTINUE |
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| 00:16:55 | sevv | WTF |
| 00:17:03 | sevv | http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=151974 |
| 00:17:08 | sevv | Good point - the fact that the clickwheel is the only place where liquids can enter. I think the reason my was/is having trouble is because when I clean the outside I might have used too much windex once. It's actually been totally fine lately... I just clicked the hold button back and forth a lot as opposed to just once and it has been working with no problems.. |
| 00:17:11 | phiibuster | Is the daily build archive down? I upgraded rockbox on my Fuzev1 and now it won't play, which is documented in FS11114. I'm looking to downgrade to the last working version, which might help in finding the offending commit |
| 00:17:18 | sevv | ^^ A users post from that page |
| 00:17:27 | sevv | clicking hold once back and forth doesn't do anything |
| 00:17:33 | sevv | doing it many times... now my wheel works |
| 00:17:39 | sevv | is this a pretty common hardware problem? :| |
| 00:18:11 | gevaerts | phiibuster: apparently it is... |
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| 00:18:33 | sevv | that's so weird. |
| 00:19:18 | phiibuster | gevaerts: great... I guess I'll use the OF for now. |
| 00:19:40 | gevaerts | phiibuster: the latest release should work |
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| 00:20:30 | phiibuster | gevaerts: sure. |
| 00:20:40 | sevv | so weird. |
| 00:20:57 | sevv | Does anyone know of a theme for the 4gen ipod greyscale that looks like the ipod theme ;) |
| 00:21:06 | gevaerts | phiibuster: I wonder if this could be related to FS #11107, in which case checking the filesyste might help |
| 00:21:14 | sevv | i don't mean to rip anybody off, but it has a nice big font and my eyes suck. |
| 00:21:16 | RadicalR | Hmm, does anyone else have a M:Robe 100? |
| 00:21:39 | gevaerts | RadicalR: I have one. I don't really use it though |
| 00:21:49 | RadicalR | I have a quick question. |
| 00:21:55 | RadicalR | Hopefully, you can answer it. |
| 00:22:07 | RadicalR | When I start it and check the battery life |
| 00:22:15 | RadicalR | it says 100% 150h |
| 00:22:33 | RadicalR | Is that for real or was the thing never benchmarked properly? |
| 00:22:55 | saratoga | update your build |
| 00:23:05 | gevaerts | It was never benchmarked properly I suppose. The problem is that it's tricky to find people with a reasonably new battery |
| 00:23:06 | RadicalR | It's the most up to date. |
| 00:23:22 | RadicalR | Ouch. Yeah, this one is pretty old. |
| 00:23:37 | RadicalR | Forums says about 6 hours, which is pretty decent. |
| 00:23:51 | RadicalR | Then again that was 2 years ago.. |
| 00:24:08 | gevaerts | Unless you have a reasonably new battery, benchmarks aren't really reliable enough for calibration |
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| 00:24:40 | RadicalR | I probably could get a new battery off of ebay. |
| 00:25:05 | RadicalR | There are people still selling m:robe stuff. |
| 00:25:52 | gevaerts | Well, it's just the remaining time estimate that will be off. It won't actually shutdown earlier because of the missing data |
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| 00:26:36 | phiibuster | gevaerts: checked both SD and internal memory, no errors. |
| 00:27:16 | gevaerts | ok, one of the AMS people will have to look at it then I guess |
| 00:27:25 | * | pamaury really doesn't understand HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS, there is strange code out there |
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| 00:28:20 | phiibuster | gevaerts: thanks for trying to help. |
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| 00:35:24 | kugel | oh dear |
| 00:35:27 | mt | saratoga: I just say that because when I tried to work with libfaad, it was a scary experience ! Otoh, codecs from ffmpeg tend to be well organised. |
| 00:35:34 | kugel | I can't get this lcd driver for the fuzev2 to work |
| 00:36:35 | saratoga | mt: yeah i like the ffmpeg layout better, but libfaad is not actually so bad once you get used to it |
| 00:36:45 | saratoga | mostly the problem is that the aac format is needlessly complicated |
| 00:38:54 | saratoga | what was the problem with libflac anyway? |
| 00:39:01 | saratoga | flac is such an efficient format how is it so bad? |
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| 00:45:52 | linuxstb | saratoga: It's layer-upon-layer of API, trying to be C++ in C. |
| 00:46:28 | linuxstb | So it's very easy for an app to integrate it, but not very efficient. |
| 00:46:36 | saratoga | linuxstb: the API slows the codec down by a factor of several though? |
| 00:47:23 | saratoga | on the fuze we get better battery life then the OF, which means they're probably running the clock at least 3x higher then us to decode flac files |
| 00:48:41 | linuxstb | Well, something did... At the time, Coldfire was the main target, so I think the cache misses due to larger code size may have been an issue. IIRC, the entire ffmpeg decoder fits in IRAM on Coldfire. |
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| 01:31:31 | kugel | saratoga: we are what? |
| 01:31:59 | kugel | the OF gets over 22h, we're getting much less |
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| 01:48:04 | CIA-5 | New commit by mc2739 (r25226): Buildserver: block frederico-dannya due to failed builds |
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| 02:04:16 | Horscht | ouch? |
| 02:07:27 | linuxstb | kugel: With FLAC? |
| 02:07:59 | kugel | well, I haven't checked flac |
| 02:08:32 | kugel | but I can't imagine they are worse then we with flac when they are at least 50% better with mp3 |
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| 02:38:11 | saratoga | kugel: for flac |
| 02:38:25 | saratoga | they get something like 40% of the mp3 runtime for flac |
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| 02:43:17 | CIA-5 | New commit by kkurbjun (r25227): M66591 Driver: Correct some comments. |
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| 02:44:22 | CIA-5 | New commit by kkurbjun (r25228): M:Robe 500 - Improve YUV blit speed. |
| 02:50:01 | RadicalR | Oh sweet. A update for the M:Robe 500 |
| 02:50:13 | RadicalR | *An |
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| 03:28:23 | mc2739 | funman: (for the logs) e200v2 will not boot since r25198, also problems with fuze - see FS #11114 |
| 03:29:12 | mc2739 | ^^ fuze v1 |
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| 04:26:55 | clone4crw | Hey could I have write permissions for the Wiki? Thanks. |
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| 04:46:10 | saratogalab | clone4crw: whats your wiki name |
| 04:46:49 | clone4crw | CalvinWalden |
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| 04:49:37 | saratogalab | clone4crw: done |
| 04:51:17 | saratogalab | hmm I seem to have broken the wiki |
| 04:51:46 | saratogalab | it really doesn't like being edited in the WYSIWYG editor |
| 04:52:45 | saratogalab | Bagder: when you get a chance could you fix the wikiusersgroup page? |
| 04:53:33 | clone4crw | saratogalab: thanks! |
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| 05:12:30 | funman | mc2739: what happens on e200v2: black screen ? panic? |
| 05:14:38 | funman | i can reproduce the random behaviour described in FS #11114 (no data abort yet though) |
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| 05:22:15 | mc2739 | funman: I get similar panic messages to FS #11114 right after firmware (2nd) logo |
| 05:22:33 | funman | commenting line 62 of crt0.S fixes it ? |
| 05:23:48 | funman | seems to do it on my fuze |
| 05:24:45 | mc2739 | I did not try that, I bisected a working build (r25169) and currecnt and found that r25198 was the first that caused the panic |
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| 05:25:53 | funman | i'm not sure what happens: sp should be uninitialized at this point (set by the bootloader), and we only store the return value on entering memory_init and restore it after mmu is enabled |
| 05:26:02 | mc2739 | s/panic/data abort/ |
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| 05:31:47 | funman | in which function is the abort? |
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| 05:32:23 | funman | find_handle for me |
| 05:34:13 | mc2739 | commenting line 62 does allow it to boot |
| 05:38:19 | mc2739 | with r25228 - data abort at 300505fc - according to map file 0x300503f0 -> wakeup_thread |
| 05:39:20 | funman | previously sp would point into iram |
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| 05:42:03 | mc2739 | wait, i found a closer match - 0x3005054c -> create_thread |
| 05:42:27 | funman | it's almost identical to fuze layout |
| 05:45:11 | funman | if i make sp point somewhere in iram => OK, point to irq_stack => OK |
| 05:47:22 | funman | anyway memory_init should be written in crt0.S |
| 05:49:30 | funman | still i don't get what happens :( |
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| 06:02:44 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25229): as3525*: revert r25198 and inline memory_init in crt0.S ... |
| 06:03:04 | funman | mc2739: does this commit work for you too ? |
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| 06:03:39 | funman | BlastTyrant: (for you as well) |
| 06:07:20 | * | funman removed e200v2 & fuzev1 from the forum thread title |
| 06:09:24 | mc2739 | funman: yes, it works with r25229 |
| 06:10:43 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25230): as3525: Fix previous commit, IRAM_ORIG can not be represented as an immediate value on targets with 2MB of ram |
| 06:15:58 | funman | nice green delta for nano2g ! |
| 06:17:31 | BlastTyrant | funman: r25229 works for me |
| 06:18:08 | funman | nice, sorry for the trouble :) |
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| 06:30:04 | funman | strangely synopsys distribute their usb driver with very permissive license |
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| 06:41:18 | kkurbjun | Is the wiki broken? I cannot edit any pages.. |
| 06:41:52 | kkurbjun | I double checked that I have not been removed from the wikiusers group.. |
| 06:45:13 | funman | saratoga mentioned something about usergroups i think |
| 06:47:28 | kkurbjun | ahh, I see that |
| 06:47:31 | kkurbjun | thanks |
| 06:47:38 | kkurbjun | I just looked at the logs |
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| 06:55:32 | funman | imo "normal" edit is quite unusable, i always use raw edit |
| 06:56:40 | kkurbjun | yeah, agreed, I prefer the basic text editor rather than wysiwyg |
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| 07:29:33 | funman | gevaerts: we don't use USB On-The-Go in rockbox, right? |
| 07:31:46 | JdGordon | no |
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| 09:01:54 | ArmandiuxGS | hey, whats happend with the current build package of iPod Nano 2G? |
| 09:02:04 | ArmandiuxGS | is incomplete? |
| 09:04:24 | funman | ArmandiuxGS: missing files? that might explain the green delta |
| 09:05:05 | linuxstb | It looks like an Ondio build... |
| 09:06:03 | linuxstb | ArmandiuxGS: Just use the "daily build" instead - that what have been built around the same time. |
| 09:07:11 | ArmandiuxGS | there isnt the "rockbox.ipod" file, and there is a "ajbrec.ajz" file |
| 09:07:26 | ArmandiuxGS | archos jukebox? |
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| 09:10:56 | AlexP | ArmandiuxGS: See what linuxstb just said |
| 09:13:07 | ArmandiuxGS | is the "daily build", 'r25230' |
| 09:15:56 | ArmandiuxGS | but, forgetit, thank you funman, linuxstb and AlexP... I will use the archived build of Rockbox Utility (r25228) |
| 09:16:08 | ArmandiuxGS | for now |
| 09:16:18 | ArmandiuxGS | I will wait a good build... |
| 09:16:20 | ArmandiuxGS | but |
| 09:16:21 | AlexP | ArmandiuxGS: That is the most recent daily build (r25228) |
| 09:16:24 | AlexP | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano2g/rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip |
| 09:16:44 | ArmandiuxGS | daily = archived? |
| 09:16:53 | AlexP | yes |
| 09:16:57 | ArmandiuxGS | :S |
| 09:17:14 | AlexP | daily builds are just the current build at a specific time each day |
| 09:17:15 | ArmandiuxGS | and the current is the r25230, no? |
| 09:17:25 | AlexP | The current build is rebuilt on every source code change |
| 09:17:37 | AlexP | yes |
| 09:17:47 | ArmandiuxGS | ok |
| 09:17:49 | ArmandiuxGS | ^^ |
| 09:18:26 | ArmandiuxGS | but, why is there a "ajbrec.ajz" file in the current build of iPod Nano 2G? |
| 09:18:41 | AlexP | I imagine because a build client is screwed up |
| 09:18:49 | ArmandiuxGS | lol |
| 09:18:50 | ArmandiuxGS | ok |
| 09:18:56 | ArmandiuxGS | thankyuo everybody! |
| 09:19:15 | ArmandiuxGS | good work |
| 09:19:41 | AlexP | Or it was copied to the wrong place when the server got it back |
| 09:19:45 | AlexP | Something like that |
| 09:19:59 | AlexP | I guess Zagor or Bagder need to have a shufti :) |
| 09:20:40 | ArmandiuxGS | is for an Archos Jukebox Recorder, no? |
| 09:21:09 | AlexP | No, an Archos Ondio |
| 09:21:18 | ArmandiuxGS | ok |
| 09:21:21 | ArmandiuxGS | :) |
| 09:21:25 | AlexP | see rockbox-info.txt in the .rockbox directory |
| 09:21:34 | ArmandiuxGS | thank you so much |
| 09:21:35 | ArmandiuxGS | ok |
| 09:21:41 | ArmandiuxGS | see you later |
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| 09:21:48 | AlexP | no worries, sorry for the mess up :) |
| 09:21:55 | ArmandiuxGS | ^^ |
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| 09:23:52 | CIA-5 | New commit by amiconn (r25231): Make helper functions static. |
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| 09:29:03 | * | amiconn is scared by those large, arbitrary binsize fluctiuations |
| 09:29:29 | amiconn | Zagor: Are the builds actually broken, or is it a glitch in the binsize scripts? |
| 09:29:36 | pixelma | looking at this mornings log, it might be a different build |
| 09:29:48 | linuxstb | It is, it's an Ondio build |
| 09:29:50 | * | pixelma adds an ' |
| 09:30:21 | Zagor | that's pretty weird |
| 09:30:40 | linuxstb | Although the log shows a nano2g build was made - http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=25230;type=ipodnano2g |
| 09:32:14 | * | linuxstb is shocked at the difference in binsize between an ondio and a Nano though... |
| 09:33:29 | pixelma | an OndioSP or FM? |
| 09:33:50 | pixelma | I guess the screen makes a big difference and hwcodec vs swcodec |
| 09:33:51 | linuxstb | SP I think |
| 09:34:49 | pixelma | and Rockbox USB |
| 09:37:29 | JdGordon | nano is colour swcodec, ondio is mono hwcodec... why would the binsizes be expected to be close? |
| 09:37:38 | JdGordon | also 2MB vs >16MB RAM |
| 09:37:39 | amiconn | Also arm code isn't very space efficient |
| 09:38:18 | Zagor | linuxstb: where do you see that it was an ondio build? |
| 09:38:51 | pixelma | the log tells me by looking into the downloadable zip |
| 09:39:20 | pixelma | and its rockbox-info.txt |
| 09:39:31 | linuxstb | Yes, the zip file is an ondio build - as pixelma said... |
| 09:39:32 | Zagor | which log? the downloadable zip is now overwritten by the proper ipod build |
| 09:39:53 | Zagor | the zip contains .rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 09:40:07 | linuxstb | The zip I downloaded of 25230 was an ondio build, but called rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip |
| 09:40:21 | Zagor | ah, you grabbed it before. ok. |
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| 09:41:55 | pixelma | Zagor: #rockbox log |
| 09:42:23 | pixelma | someone was here who couldn't update his Nano 2nd gen |
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| 09:44:29 | Zagor | the buildmaster log doesn't show anything unusual. I wonder what's causing this. possibly it's the same bug that causes the "missing log file" blocks. |
| 09:44:55 | funman | *PANIC* USB interrupt ! \o/ |
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| 09:51:25 | wodz | hello, where is code to animate usblogo? The icon is in apps/bitmaps/native/usblogo.* and where it is used? greping for usblogo string gives no hit |
| 09:52:31 | wodz | and second question - what do functions lcd_blit_grey_phase() and lcd_blit_mono() ? |
| 09:53:29 | linuxstb | apps/gui/usb_screen.c contains "usblogo" |
| 09:53:39 | wodz | hmm |
| 09:54:03 | funman | wodz: these function draw greyscale images on monochrome screens |
| 09:54:19 | wodz | linuxstb: in did |
| 09:54:44 | wodz | funman: so why this is needed on 2bit display target? |
| 09:55:17 | linuxstb | To provide more than 4 levels |
| 09:55:36 | linuxstb | But it's only available in plugins, using the greyscale lib. |
| 09:56:01 | wodz | yes, but it is compiled anyway even with make bin |
| 09:56:23 | linuxstb | Those are driver-level functions. They are only used in plugins though. |
| 09:56:26 | funman | make bin compiles all the plugin library (functions used by plugins) |
| 09:56:41 | wodz | is there any documentation how this functions work? |
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| 10:00:04 | funman | looks like there's only the source code |
| 10:00:51 | wodz | :-( |
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| 11:56:01 | Unhelpful | funman: i don't think you should ever be using lcd_blit_grey_phase directly anyway - just use the lcd_ functions in greylib, there are versions of most of the more familiar functions there |
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| 12:30:19 | fred_99 | hi |
| 12:32:21 | fred_99 | I compiled rockboxui on my laptop and can you tell me where I can put theme modified .... under simdisk/.rockbox ? |
| 12:34:32 | funman | yes |
| 12:34:47 | fred_99 | thanks |
| 12:36:20 | fred_99 | funman: I already have a battery_bench file and the second with back-light is coming soon, can you tell me how to post it ? |
| 12:42:37 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r25235): Ondavx747/777 fix red. |
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| 12:52:44 | CIA-5 | New commit by uchida (r25236): manual:text viewer plugin updates. |
| 12:52:53 | pamaury | wow, the FAT code is really lazy concerning long entries, it basically doesn't check anything. |
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| 13:08:49 | TheSeven | pamaury: ah, you're trying to kill those sector buffers? |
| 13:09:05 | pamaury | yes |
| 13:10:22 | pamaury | At the time, I think the fat code should check much more things about long name entries but it also break compatibility if some OSes have broken fat drivers |
| 13:11:36 | pamaury | My code will use one sector (SECTOR_SIZE) + a long name buffer (255*2) |
| 13:12:08 | pamaury | I don't know if it can be done with less. It saw in your discussion that you were talking about 512 sector buffer instead of sECTOr_SIZE |
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| 13:13:46 | kugel | funman: what are we clocking the v2s at? |
| 13:13:55 | AlexP | I appreciate the manual being updated in r25236, but I'd have quite liked it to be run past someone with English as a first language first |
| 13:13:58 | kugel | I cannot seem to get the dbop to work |
| 13:15:21 | kugel | uchida probably shouldn't update the manual himself :\ |
| 13:15:31 | rajendrau | In rockbox simulator I am able to set up an image as backdrop. The same is not working in sansa e260v2 player |
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| 13:27:15 | funman | kugel: dunno |
| 13:27:36 | funman | see the forum thread where i discuss with FlynDice (a bit afk atm, sorry) |
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| 13:57:44 | pamaury | hehe, time to check my new fat code, it will be probably be a miserable failure :) Only 3 minutes left before going back to work |
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| 14:00:19 | pamaury | omg, even worse than expected :) |
| 14:04:02 | * | amiconn thinks that a single longname buffer won't work |
| 14:04:21 | pamaury | one per fat_dir |
| 14:04:29 | pamaury | the same for the sector cache |
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| 14:04:47 | pamaury | I don't see a reason for this to fail |
| 14:04:58 | pamaury | Just a matter of programming it without bugs :à) |
| 14:06:56 | pamaury | amiconn: could you explain why you think so ? |
| 14:08:16 | amiconn | What if more than one thread is accessing the disk at the same time? |
| 14:08:38 | amiconn | One per fat_dir should work. A global one won't |
| 14:09:09 | pamaury | a global won't work, of course, I agree in this point |
| 14:09:15 | pamaury | *with |
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| 14:15:43 | pamaury | oops, what a stupid bug, I was reading the same entry over and over :) |
| 14:16:39 | pamaury | hehe, it works |
| 14:16:47 | pamaury | at least it seems :) |
| 14:19:46 | fred_99 | can you tell me how to simulate a reboot on the rockboxui ? |
| 14:20:12 | pamaury | fred_99: I think you have to quit it and relaunch it |
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| 14:20:27 | fred_99 | ok for the database ? |
| 14:20:40 | fred_99 | pamaury: ok thanks |
| 14:22:00 | TheSeven | pamaury: i was also saying that you need that 510-byte buffer plus a sector, per dir. the sector buffer could be removed from the directory struct if we would implement a global sector cache |
| 14:22:27 | fred_99 | and also what is the select key ..... 5 is written but doesn't seem to work ? |
| 14:23:22 | pamaury | TheSeven: I'm about to put a patch on flyspray, so keep an eye open and have a look at it. currently I'm using one sector per dir plus one 255*2 byte buffer (per dir also) |
| 14:25:10 | fred_99 | sorry for this question |
| 14:26:58 | pamaury | TheSeven, amiconn: FS #11118 for fat driver |
| 14:27:06 | * | pamaury goes back to work now :) |
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| 14:42:10 | linuxguy3 | is there a size limit on sd cards i can use with rockbox in a sansa e260? |
| 14:42:39 | fred_99 | I try to do a database init on my rockboxui , I go on database, then chose select at buid question, then it says reboot, I quit rockboxui, then launch it again and seg fault, then launch again and there is no database. |
| 14:42:48 | fred_99 | anybody have a clue ? |
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| 14:46:01 | evilnick_B | linuxguy3: No, Rockbox supports SDHC which the Sansa OF does not. So you can use them in Rockbox but not the OF |
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| 14:49:07 | linuxguy3 | ok |
| 14:49:18 | linuxguy3 | so any sdhc card should work in rockbox then |
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| 14:53:30 | evilnick_B | linuxguy3: Yep |
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| 14:54:53 | linuxguy3 | thx |
| 14:57:07 | fred_99 | the uisimulator web page says "esc,a" for off. but I can't make it work. any idea ? |
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| 15:37:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by zagor (r25237): Unblocked frederico-dannya |
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| 15:58:44 | fred_99 | I have two battery_bench files to submit for the X5 (not L) ..... can anybody tell me how to do ? |
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| 16:10:36 | evilnick_B | fred_99: Do you have access to the Wiki? |
| 16:12:24 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: yes ..... but I didn't found how to do .... I registered .... but if you can give me the good link |
| 16:13:12 | evilnick_B | fred_99: What's your Wiki name? I'll add you to the group so that you can attach the benchmarks |
| 16:13:54 | fred_99 | FredericCambray |
| 16:14:44 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: thanks |
| 16:16:03 | evilnick_B | fred_99: You should be able to edit now, let me know if not |
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| 16:17:03 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I try and tell you |
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| 16:26:57 | n1s | fred_99: if you didn't solve your sim problem, trigger a disk access, by for example playing a music file before shutting down after initing the database |
| 16:27:39 | fred_99 | nls: thanks I'm going to try |
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| 16:29:21 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I tried to upload to files but I'm not sure anything happens |
| 16:29:58 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I guess I could see my two battery_bench files on the web page |
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| 16:30:51 | evilnick_B | fred_99: I can see one of them on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IAudioRuntime but could you add the results to the table (like the other examples)? |
| 16:31:15 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I have to edit ? |
| 16:31:29 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: sorry not used to |
| 16:32:01 | evilnick_B | fred_99: No worries :) Yes, it'd be best to Edit and add your results to the table, it should be pretty self-explanatory |
| 16:32:42 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: I try |
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| 16:47:57 | Strife89 | If I can dig up some helpful documentation on Palm OS 5, is it possible to put "Palm OS" on the list of "Rockbox as an Application" targets? |
| 16:48:24 | fred_99 | evilnick_B: last thing is how to attach my file in the table |
| 16:49:22 | Strife89 | For the Google Summer of Code, I mean. |
| 16:49:26 | gevaerts | Strife89: you know it's an *ideas* page, right? People can propose other things or variations |
| 16:49:35 | evilnick_B | fred_99: That's beyond my knowledge, sorry |
| 16:49:46 | Strife89 | gevaerts: "Don't add a project here without discussing it with the Rockbox developers first." |
| 16:50:28 | gevaerts | uhm, yes, and? |
| 16:50:50 | Strife89 | So I figured asking was in order. :) |
| 16:50:56 | gevaerts | I mean, sure, it needs some discussion before being added on the page |
| 16:51:12 | B4gder | I would actively discourage a student suggesting raaa for palm os... |
| 16:51:20 | gevaerts | "The student is free to choose any such device to port Rockbox to, but the following are potential targets" |
| 16:51:33 | Strife89 | B4gder: Why so? |
| 16:51:45 | B4gder | because its an outdated target already |
| 16:52:09 | Strife89 | That hasn't stopped Rockbox from being ported to other targets. |
| 16:52:21 | B4gder | and didn't say I would stop it |
| 16:52:35 | evilnick_B | Strife89: Yes, but that's usually because the devs with that hardware are prepared to put in the work. |
| 16:53:32 | Strife89 | Good point. ... |
| 16:54:31 | gevaerts | gcc 2.95.3? |
| 16:55:23 | evilnick_B | As an idea for the future of RB, which should attract new devs, it doesn't make sense to suggest an older target/platform imho |
| 16:55:50 | Strife89 | evilnick_B: By no means do I *expect* anyone to do it. I'm just really hopeful that I can stir up the possibility. |
| 16:56:27 | * | evilnick_B wishes Strife89 the very best of luck |
| 16:57:04 | gevaerts | Strife89: the most recent compiler for palmos seems to be older than SWCODEC |
| 16:57:33 | Strife89 | gevaerts: Damn, I hadn't noticed. |
| 16:57:48 | * | n1s would like to see raaa for a desktop OS |
| 16:58:55 | n1s | well, one i use :) |
| 16:59:36 | pixelma | earlier today I had the idea of extending the "theme editor/integration into RbUtil" with a "database query editor". Worth a thought? |
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| 17:00:20 | pixelma | not sure how feasable that is though and who would know enough about database queries to help out there |
| 17:00:41 | evilnick_B | pixelma: I like that idea a lot |
| 17:01:03 | evilnick_B | But perhaps rbutil would be a better place for that feature idea? |
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| 17:02:02 | evilnick_B | Actually, why not have database queries downloadable on the theme site, and use rbutil to add them onto the player? |
| 17:03:03 | pixelma | maybe it could be both standalone and possible to use through RbUtil (but that's what I understood about the theme editor idea too, I admit that I only skimmed the gsoc page today in the morning) |
| 17:03:57 | pixelma | downloadable custom tagnavi files could be another idea |
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| 17:04:17 | * | Strife89 has not come up with any ideas, except ..... |
| 17:04:37 | Strife89 | Nevermind. Probably a stupid idea. |
| 17:05:36 | evilnick_B | pixelma: custom tagnavi files were what I meant (didn't remember the right phrase) |
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| 17:06:23 | Strife89 | Ah, what the hell. Seperate font for the database browser, and album art beside album titles. |
| 17:06:41 | Strife89 | Relatively simple, somewhat stupid. |
| 17:07:21 | * | pixelma is reminded of another RbUtil feature idea and another theme site idea that are still waiting to be put into the forum thread(s) :\\ |
| 17:07:26 | evilnick_B | Can you explain "album art beside album titles"? |
| 17:07:59 | pixelma | alongside in the (database) browser maybe? |
| 17:08:05 | Strife89 | evilnick_B: In the Database browser, put a thumbnail of matching Album Art beside the matching album title. |
| 17:09:44 | evilnick_B | Sounds very nice, but maybe going from the Database browser −−> Pictureflow would be even better |
| 17:10:30 | Strife89 | Another small, probably bad idea: smooth scrolling in long lists. |
| 17:10:55 | Strife89 | That accelerates as need be. |
| 17:11:31 | n1s | list scrolling already accelerates... |
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| 17:12:16 | Strife89 | n1s: I mean so that the smooth scrolling keeps up with the cursor. |
| 17:12:29 | ball | What character set can I use for song titles? Just ASCII? |
| 17:12:47 | Strife89 | Some implementations of the effect allow some lagging behind. |
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| 17:13:09 | n1s | ball: where? |
| 17:13:36 | ball | n1s: I use Rockbox on a 1st gen iPod Touch |
| 17:13:39 | evilnick_B | ball: Check out: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CommonCodepageProblems |
| 17:13:40 | ball | s/Touch/Mini/ |
| 17:14:08 | n1s | ball: yes but do you mean in tags or filenames or something else? |
| 17:14:23 | evilnick_B | ball: Also: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide |
| 17:15:01 | ball | n1s: In tags. I keep my filenames to ASCII |
| 17:15:56 | n1s | ball: then that depends on the tag format you use in your files, if they are mp3 do see the codepage page evilnick_B kindly linked |
| 17:16:20 | n1s | (since id3 lacks a native codepage you need to tell rockbox what you use) |
| 17:16:40 | ball | What about in Ogg/Vorbis? |
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| 17:17:01 | n1s | vorbis tags are always unicode |
| 17:17:11 | n1s | or should be at least |
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| 17:17:25 | ball | n1s: UTF-8? |
| 17:17:57 | n1s | i don't remember which unicode |
| 17:18:30 | n1s | but i don't remember any user having problems with vorbis tags' encoding |
| 17:19:32 | ball | n1s: I just need to figure out how to type it now (an n with a ~ over it.) |
| 17:22:05 | n1s | it is utf-8 btw |
| 17:22:20 | n1s | which rockbox uses internally |
| 17:22:54 | ball | nn1thanks |
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| 17:28:19 | fred_99 | nls: I tried to force a disk access like you said but it does the same |
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| 17:36:04 | checker | if i want to put all my album art in the folder "/.rockbox/albumart", i name the files like "rush-signals", but how do i do multi word artists/ablums? |
| 17:37:16 | checker | "van_halen-diver_down", maybe "vanhalen-diverdown"? |
| 17:37:41 | n1s | fred_99: ah, maybe you need to make it save the settings or something, i thought a disk access should do it |
| 17:37:52 | n1s | it is possible though |
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| 17:39:53 | fred_99 | nls: the question is how |
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| 17:42:13 | mc2739 | fred_99: maybe settings -> manage settings -> save .cfg file |
| 17:42:59 | fred_99 | nls: I tried to put the existing database files I have on my X5 but it still wants to initialyse the base, find music during init, then I end appli, then seg fault, then same point |
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| 17:43:23 | fred_99 | mc2739: i'm going to have a look |
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| 17:45:07 | fred_99 | mc2739: it doesn't work |
| 17:46:37 | pixelma | maybe building the database itselfs fails (on a specific file)? |
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| 17:47:20 | fred_99 | pixelma: the thing is it wored on my X5 |
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| 17:49:32 | leavittx | Hey there! Anybody knows if cowon d2 has usb host? |
| 17:52:06 | fred_99 | pixelma: is it possible to simulate the shutdown ? |
| 17:53:49 | fred_99 | pixelma: on my X5 I have to hold a button, but on the simul key tab I can't see how to hold this button, only quik press ..... I don't kow if I'm clear |
| 17:54:09 | mc2739 | fred_99: There is a patch on the tracker for that (FS #11054), but I do not know the status of it. |
| 17:54:30 | fred_99 | mc2739: the database ? |
| 17:54:46 | mc2739 | no, the shutdown |
| 17:54:55 | fred_99 | ah, tks |
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| 18:03:46 | fred_99 | yesterday I was talking about my battery time left problems, and Tome asked me to put two battery_bench files, but now I can compil, perhaps I can change some things in the firmware/export/config/iaudiox5.h file but I don't really see what, can somebody help me ? |
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| 18:27:27 | ichthys | is it usual for an ipod nano 1g to switch back to the apple firmware/"Do not remove" screen when plugged in via usb? |
| 18:27:44 | ichthys | I'm trying to get the usb controller thing to work, nothing seems to work |
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| 18:27:56 | ichthys | *not nothing, just no controls |
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| 18:29:30 | Torne | ichthys: Release builds of Rockbox on the ipods don't use our USB implementation |
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| 18:29:49 | Torne | It's disabled for releases because of concerns about disk performance and batteries not charging properly. |
| 18:30:10 | Torne | ichthys: If you want to use the rockbox usb mode, which includes the input controls, you need to use a current build |
| 18:30:26 | ichthys | ok. thanks for the info Torne |
| 18:30:27 | Torne | but be aware that battery charging may work slowly or not at all, and disk performance may not be as good |
| 18:30:40 | Torne | (Not sure for which specific models those are true) |
| 18:31:19 | ichthys | kind of odd that these features are in the manual and the menu :/ |
| 18:31:32 | ichthys | I'll try a current build. thanks again |
| 18:32:08 | Torne | They are not in the release manual |
| 18:32:15 | Torne | Where does it appear in the menus? |
| 18:32:59 | Torne | the manual at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml is built daily for the current build; the release's accompanying manual is here: http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi |
| 18:33:24 | ichthys | ah I didn't see that http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml was for daily builds |
| 18:33:39 | Torne | where doe sit appear int he menus, though? |
| 18:34:05 | ichthys | settings -> general settings -> system -> USB keypad mode |
| 18:34:15 | ichthys | USB HID is also there |
| 18:35:13 | Torne | Hm, that's probably a bug |
| 18:36:29 | fred_99 | mc2739: the patch worked well, I'm now able to shutdown the simulator, but it doesn't change my database problem |
| 18:36:58 | Torne | anyone: why isn't USB_ENABLE_HID dependent on USE_ROCKBOX_USB ? :) |
| 18:37:13 | Torne | Oh, wait |
| 18:37:23 | Torne | ichthys: Actually, I think it is possible to send the keys somehow |
| 18:37:27 | Torne | just not easily ;) |
| 18:37:49 | ichthys | haha, what are you thinking? |
| 18:37:51 | Torne | ichthys: If you plug in the cable while holding select it will stay in rockbox, and it's possible to send HID keys I think, but only via plugins/debug menu |
| 18:38:01 | Torne | So yeah, it is still a HID device technically |
| 18:38:36 | Torne | it just happens that when you're using hte rockbox mass storage mode, we interpret the buttons as being requests to send HID keys |
| 18:38:45 | Torne | and when the rockbox mass storage code is disabled that obviously doesn't happen ;) |
| 18:38:54 | ichthys | select from power off? |
| 18:38:58 | ichthys | or while in rb |
| 18:38:59 | Torne | No |
| 18:39:04 | Torne | see the manual :) |
| 18:39:18 | ichthys | :P |
| 18:39:38 | Torne | anyway, yes. if you hold select when rockbox is running, and then insert the cable |
| 18:39:50 | Torne | that will stay in rockbox, it's the charging-only mode. |
| 18:39:55 | Torne | (not that it charges properly) |
| 18:40:42 | Torne | anyway. this is not very helpful to you really. if you want to use it as a remote for the pc, use a current build. |
| 18:40:56 | Torne | but be prepared for charging to be a lot slower unless you boot the OF to charge. |
| 18:41:11 | ichthys | I usually just listen in my car so that's not really a prob |
| 18:43:04 | Torne | sure, i'm just warning you |
| 18:43:17 | Torne | i'm working on fixing it ;) |
| 18:44:33 | ichthys | actually, it's menu, not select ;) |
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| 18:44:43 | ichthys | The player can be charged over USB without connecting to your computer by holding Menu while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the player normally. |
| 18:44:48 | Torne | er |
| 18:44:49 | Torne | yes |
| 18:44:50 | Torne | sorry :) |
| 18:44:53 | ichthys | :) |
| 18:45:06 | ichthys | hmmm there is no mouse option in the plugin/remote_control |
| 18:45:13 | Torne | i have several players, and i answer support questions for a lot more :) |
| 18:45:19 | Torne | Mouse is only on touchscreen targets, iirc |
| 18:45:46 | ichthys | nah, it was in the build manual |
| 18:45:49 | Torne | Oh, no, it should be there |
| 18:45:50 | ichthys | direction for move mouse |
| 18:45:55 | Torne | the plugin might not suppor tit, though |
| 18:46:01 | Torne | the plugin is a seperate thing |
| 18:46:01 | ichthys | the plugin works differently than the usb mode |
| 18:46:16 | ichthys | you have to select menu options instead of directly controlling with the device |
| 18:46:35 | Torne | yeah. |
| 18:46:40 | Torne | Well, you can modify the plugin, if you like |
| 18:46:43 | Torne | :) |
| 18:47:15 | ichthys | :) perhaps |
| 18:47:16 | Torne | Basically rockbox has an interface to send any HID code you want. The USB screen on the current builds sends one of several sets, as documented in the manual. The remote_control plugin also sends one of several sets, but its code is unrelated |
| 18:47:33 | Torne | Any plugin can send any HID code based on anything, on the players that support HID |
| 18:50:27 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: in all talk or voice clips I made on the Mac there is an audible click in the beginning. I'm not sure if it has to do with the TTS or with wavtrim but I haven't heard it in voice files made with SAPI and commandline. It possibly explains file size differences too |
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| 19:00:02 | Darkknight512 | Hey torn |
| 19:00:06 | Darkknight512 | e |
| 19:00:40 | Torne | Darkknight512: do you have a question for me? |
| 19:00:56 | Darkknight512 | Torne: You were mentioning something about Ncurses in RB? |
| 19:01:39 | Darkknight512 | Torne: I was wondering what would that allow people to do in the plugins |
| 19:02:04 | Torne | It would let people port stuff that uses ncurses more easily |
| 19:02:34 | Torne | and would let people write programs with character cell style displays more easily, i guess. though i am not convinced ncurses is the best API for that |
| 19:02:57 | Torne | I implemented the major part of this already for frotz: the output system for frotz implements a buffered text terminal |
| 19:03:06 | Torne | (in a weird and z-machine specific way) |
| 19:03:17 | Darkknight512 | so how much work would be needed to get that fully working? |
| 19:03:52 | Torne | To actually reproduce a significant portion of the ncurses API, a lot |
| 19:04:12 | Darkknight512 | im just starting to learn C, and I have only done a bit of C++ |
| 19:04:16 | Torne | I could split out the terminal implementation from frotz into pluginlib, but it wouldn't be very powerful as it is. |
| 19:04:34 | Torne | If you don't already know how to program with ncurses then you probably aren't going to find it easier |
| 19:04:37 | Torne | it's not a very intuitive system |
| 19:04:47 | Darkknight512 | is making selection menus in plugin lib right now possible? |
| 19:04:52 | Darkknight512 | as in in game? |
| 19:05:02 | Torne | and a large portion of it exists to abstract between different terminal types, rather than to actually provide functionality for the application using it |
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| 19:05:14 | Torne | What do you mean? |
| 19:05:23 | Torne | also, pluginlib is a specific library of extra code that's shared between plugins |
| 19:05:31 | Torne | it's not the plugin interface |
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| 19:05:54 | Darkknight512 | So lets say I were to make a combat system for an RPG, i would like to make menus in game that allowed the player to attack, use majic, items and whatever |
| 19:06:21 | Darkknight512 | I would want scrollable menus like in FF or something |
| 19:07:28 | Torne | Ther'es nothing to help you do that, no |
| 19:07:35 | Torne | but you can just draw that on the screen, no? |
| 19:08:00 | Torne | curses is for things which are based entirely on text, where everything fits exactly into a fixed size grid where each cell contains one character. |
| 19:08:01 | Darkknight512 | i dont know, I havent written anything in rockbox yet |
| 19:08:11 | Torne | Well, amazingly you can draw anything you like on the screen |
| 19:08:21 | Torne | Since we can, yaknow, run doom. |
| 19:08:24 | Torne | or other games :) |
| 19:08:51 | Torne | The screen is just a bitmap, more or less. You can write to the pixels directly, or you can call our drawing functions to produce text/shapes/etc |
| 19:08:57 | Torne | Or you can load bitmap images onto it. |
| 19:09:04 | Torne | Same as any other graphical UI on anything.. |
| 19:09:45 | Darkknight512 | where can i find the documentaion on writing plugins? |
| 19:09:57 | Darkknight512 | i found the "howtowriteplugins" but thats just basic stuff |
| 19:10:03 | Torne | Yes. |
| 19:10:14 | Torne | There are a few wiki pages explaining certain things, and that's about it |
| 19:10:25 | Torne | If you want to learn more, read the code for existing plugins. |
| 19:10:52 | Darkknight512 | ok then, i guess my first step would be learning C? lol |
| 19:11:16 | Darkknight512 | got any good tutorials? I already know a bit of Cpp |
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| 19:12:04 | ichthys | :) perhaps |
| 19:12:13 | fred_99 | for my database problem, I copied my .rockbox X5 directory under simdisk and it works nice. |
| 19:12:14 | ichthys | oop.s disregard that |
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| 19:15:04 | Darkknight512 | so no one knows of a good place to learn C from? |
| 19:15:47 | ichthys | I think I f'd something up Torne, menu items are showing the wrong text |
| 19:16:17 | ichthys | trying to get it back in usb mass mode. does the current build support that? |
| 19:19:16 | ichthys | I booted to the apple firmware and I'm getting a mount error "can't read superblocok" |
| 19:19:19 | ichthys | *block |
| 19:19:55 | saratoga | wow someone ported our APE decoder to android already: http://andless.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/jni/ape/ |
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| 19:21:54 | kugel | saratoga: cool! |
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| 19:22:40 | kugel | the fact that demac was always buildable as stand-alone program probably helped |
| 19:22:46 | Darkknight512 | TheSeven: you still need me to test that stuff from 2 days ago? |
| 19:23:05 | * | kugel finds ranmachan's patches strange |
| 19:23:42 | saratoga | he uses our libflac too |
| 19:23:54 | saratoga | i will email him |
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| 19:26:09 | kugel | "My special thanks to the Rockbox team (http://www.rockbox.org) whose excellent code was most extensively used. In my opinion, it's the best code ever written for mobile devices. " :) |
| 19:27:46 | Darkknight512 | ^Could not have said it better myself, this ipod would be in a dust drawer without RB |
| 19:28:13 | Torne | Darkknight512: If you know C++ then you already know C :) |
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| 19:28:40 | Darkknight512 | What exacly is the difference, just the Object oriented stuff? |
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| 19:30:20 | kugel | apart from a few subtile differences, C is a mostly a subset of C++. And yes, C++ mostly adds the support for OOP |
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| 19:30:36 | Darkknight512 | ahh ok |
| 19:30:36 | Torne | Objects, templates, and lots of very minor things you won't care about |
| 19:30:55 | Darkknight512 | anyone know why HDtune detects my 4gb ipod nano as a 1gb drive, with 100% errors? |
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| 19:32:03 | saratoga | its buggy would be my guess |
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| 19:32:31 | ranmachan | kugel: What's strange? |
| 19:35:51 | Darkknight512 | yay, pagenumbers, bookmarks and status bar in text viewer, I can finally read with ease |
| 19:35:57 | kugel | that switch() with the duff's device trick (something that should never be used in real code IMO), the sw_pwm function that calls the scrollwheel one that calls the tick tasks, and more |
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| 19:38:07 | pamaury | if some of you have free time and an available device, I encourage you to test and/or review "FS #11118 - Reduce the number of cached sector in the fat driver ". |
| 19:38:59 | ranmachan | kugel: The switch is not strictly needed, if you think it's too confusing I'll remove it. |
| 19:39:24 | ranmachan | It's just that way I can do it without code duplication. |
| 19:40:01 | ranmachan | I'll grant you that it's a microoptimization that's probably unnecessary. |
| 19:40:31 | ranmachan | I wouldn't have done it that way if it wasn't an interrupt handler. |
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| 19:41:22 | kugel | ranmachan: rockbox already has the framework for software pwm, btw |
| 19:41:53 | kugel | it may require a separate timer for that though |
| 19:45:15 | ranmachan | kugel: Do you have a pointer? find -name "*pwm*" doesn't show anything |
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| 19:46:09 | kugel | hm, no I confused it with backlight fading through software pwm |
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| 19:49:51 | fred_99 | saratoga: hello, I putted two battery_bech file today as asked yesterday but anyway you suggested to me to do what funman said to me "change things in iaudiox5.h" ..... the problem is I don't really see what to change. I compared with some other device .h and I don't really see what to add. Changes are to be made in iaudiox5.h or also in powermgmt.h ? |
| 19:49:57 | kugel | stupid timer limitation, I was already unhappy with reusing the tick timer for the scrollwheel, and now this :( |
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| 19:50:36 | saratoga | fred_99: I suggested you skip battery benching your device and just add a current normal define that gave you whatever battery life you wanted |
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| 19:51:45 | kugel | ranmachan: IMO, unless you write a generic driver that can be used by other (non-samsa) targets, the #define shouldn't be in the <target>.h file. that's usually for optional stuff that works on more on a single (or related range of) target(s) |
| 19:52:04 | fred_99 | saratoga: yes, but I did the bench ..... but I don't really see what to change with those values |
| 19:52:23 | kugel | it looks like it would almost qualify as c200v3 if it wasn't using the as3525 as well :) |
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| 19:53:12 | fred_99 | saratoga: thanks anyway, I have to go, I will see that tomorrow ...... bye |
| 19:53:14 | ranmachan | kugel: Yeah, but the user can't readily tell it apart from what's on the case. |
| 19:53:15 | saratoga | fred_99: just add a CURRENT_NORMAL define with some number of ma that divides by your battery mah to give the number of h you want |
| 19:53:33 | ranmachan | OF reads bootstrap value on A7 to find out which type it is apparently |
| 19:53:42 | fred_99 | saratoga: thanks I will try |
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| 19:53:54 | * | kugel thinks someting similar happens on the fuzev2 |
| 19:54:36 | fred_99 | saratoga: last question .... if it works like this, why do I had to submit a long battery_bench file ? |
| 19:55:10 | scorche | is everyone fine with me saying on the mailing list that if no one steps forward and offers to host a DevCon somewhere else, then we will just have it in Ghent again? |
| 19:55:24 | scorche | steps forward by monday, that is |
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| 19:55:39 | Bagder | scorche: I think that's what it looks like |
| 19:55:45 | kugel | does petur volunteer again? IMO ghent would be fine |
| 19:55:50 | gevaerts | scorche: sounds reasonable |
| 19:55:57 | Bagder | kugel: he did on the list, yes |
| 19:56:14 | kugel | hrm, why did I miss that mail? |
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| 19:56:40 | gevaerts | I'll still see if I can host it, so we'd have a nearby backup location. |
| 19:56:53 | * | kugel would have liked london, but well :) |
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| 20:00:11 | ranmachan | Ok I'll just use "#if defined(SANSA_C200V2)" for the pwm code in kernel-as3525.c |
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| 20:06:30 | ranmachan | I think I could use the two timers to write a more general timer mechanism by using one as a free running wall clock and the other in one-shot mode if you'd like that :) |
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| 20:14:48 | pamaury | wow, I just found a super funny bug: go into debug menu, into view stacks, place the line of dircache (for alignement reason) and plug usb: you've got the dircache line still display ! Can anyone check that ? |
| 20:16:04 | pixelma | does this line scroll? |
| 20:16:20 | pamaury | yes |
| 20:16:52 | pamaury | What is funny is that it scrolls when ubs is plugged but not when under the debug menu ! |
| 20:17:45 | pamaury | pixelma: known bug ? |
| 20:18:58 | pixelma | I think you'll get the effect with every line that needs to scroll, seen similar bugs in other screens before. I thought it was once fixed in the USB screen but maybe it came back or wasn't, should be fixable by someone who knows the drawing code |
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| 20:40:31 | wodz | hello, I am getting such error : http://pastebin.com/S9jG5mPH. Where is the problem? |
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| 20:43:48 | saratoga | the linker seems badly confused about IRAM |
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| 20:44:15 | r0b- | saratoga hi |
| 20:44:29 | wodz | saratoga: is this the problem with app.lds? |
| 20:44:52 | saratoga | maybe, depends what you were editing |
| 20:46:50 | wodz | is there a way to get more verbose error? |
| 20:47:04 | evilnick_B | Who's currently working on the manual? I'd like to help out, but don't want to tread on any toes |
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| 20:49:09 | kugel | evilnick_B: the chances that this happens are quite low, I assume :) |
| 20:52:48 | r0b- | does mpegplayer still only support mpeg-1? |
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| 20:53:07 | gevaerts | has it ever only supported mpeg-1? |
| 20:53:11 | r0b- | err mpeg1-2 |
| 20:53:56 | Hillshum | yup |
| 20:54:04 | r0b- | heh i really should take the time to learn rockbox coding |
| 20:54:18 | r0b- | id attempt to make an mpeg4 decoder |
| 20:55:39 | kugel | for gsoc? |
| 20:58:23 | r0b- | ? |
| 20:58:50 | r0b- | nah |
| 20:58:54 | evilnick_B | Google Summer Of Code: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010 |
| 20:59:01 | r0b- | :| |
| 20:59:09 | r0b- | im no good with c |
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| 21:00:45 | r0b- | ill suggest it |
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| 21:02:47 | pixelma | evilnick_B: I don't think you'll be stepping on someone's toes, manual work seems to exhaust people a bit and we need fresh blood ;) I have two cleanup things I'd like to commit in the next days (the file type table in the viewer plugins section and some code cleanup in the goban button table) |
| 21:02:59 | kugel | r0b-: it's already suggested, I think |
| 21:04:30 | evilnick_B | pixelma: I've looked at the Wiki pages that refer to the manual, but they seem kinda out of date. Is there anything else that I should read first? Or should I jump straight in? |
| 21:05:19 | pixelma | which pages? |
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| 21:06:57 | evilnick_B | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualTodo http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualFixmes |
| 21:08:44 | pixelma | but I think you could jump right in and maybe ask for comments here if you have somethin. I only like to point to the button table suggestion at the end of ManualGuidelinesTalk which was agreed on by AlexP and bluebrother (I thin). ManualGuidelines gives a bit of an overview about conventions and how some things work |
| 21:09:07 | pixelma | I think the two pages you mentioned are really a bit outdated |
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| 21:25:21 | AlexP | evilnick_B: Go for it :) |
| 21:25:42 | AlexP | evilnick_B: Fixing the English of this afternoons commit so that it is proper English would be a good start :) |
| 21:25:59 | evilnick_B | AlexP: Seriously, that's what made me decide to throw my hat into the ring :) |
| 21:27:29 | AlexP | And yeah, pixelma is right about it wearing you down a bit - I tend to go in waves |
| 21:28:30 | evilnick_B | My only question so far, and I don't want to open a cam of worms but fear I might be, is why do we refer to iPods as Ipods? |
| 21:28:37 | evilnick_B | s/cam/can/ |
| 21:28:40 | AlexP | There is a note on this somewhere |
| 21:28:59 | AlexP | Something about us applying proper rules of grammar and ignoring silly manufacturers :) |
| 21:29:21 | pixelma | capitalise (brand) names |
| 21:29:59 | AlexP | evilnick_B: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Names |
| 21:30:17 | pixelma | but I have a feeling that you will find different way of spelling if you look through the complete code... :) |
| 21:30:45 | AlexP | Yeah, the consistency isn't always that consistent :) |
| 21:30:50 | gevaerts | Actually, those words should never appear :) |
| 21:30:55 | AlexP | Comes of having multiple people writing things |
| 21:30:56 | gevaerts | We have macros for them! |
| 21:31:29 | AlexP | yes, they should be used |
| 21:31:35 | * | evilnick_B strongly disagrees with that idea |
| 21:31:38 | AlexP | evilnick_B: Defined in the platform files |
| 21:31:55 | AlexP | I can't say I really care one way or the other |
| 21:31:59 | pixelma | that's true, if the macro was used consistently then it'll be consistent in the end too |
| 21:32:49 | evilnick_B | I think that for someone coming to RB for the first time, it's jarring to see the way you're used to seeing the brand name used, not used. |
| 21:32:51 | AlexP | evilnick_B: Are you planning to look at this afternoons bit? |
| 21:33:59 | gevaerts | evilnick_B: the point is that the manual has "your \dap{}", and it comes out as "your ipod" |
| 21:34:07 | gevaerts | s/manual/source/ |
| 21:34:22 | gevaerts | oh, wait. I see what you mean... |
| 21:34:56 | AlexP | If I had to choose I'd go for iPod too, but I'll happily go with the masses |
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| 21:35:15 | gevaerts | We can have a discussion about it at DevCon |
| 21:35:27 | evilnick_B | I'd usually agree to do the correct English convention, but it strikes me as being quite arrogant to deliberately not use the name that most/all users would use themselves |
| 21:36:27 | gevaerts | evilnick_B: I guess this started with the irivers, where the company changed capitalisation about seven times, so in the end it was decided to ignore companies since they obviously don't know what they want |
| 21:37:11 | evilnick_B | gevaerts: Yes, I think that I vaguely remember that discussion. But then, if all player names are macro-ised then renaming them will be straightforward too :) |
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| 21:37:50 | gevaerts | evilnick_B: yes, we can have a different name for every day :) |
| 21:38:04 | * | pixelma wouldn't use iPod |
| 21:39:00 | AlexP | evilnick_B: Do you want to have a go at todays thing, or shall I? |
| 21:40:03 | evilnick_B | AlexP: I'm still marshalling my forces before I get out the red pen, so feel free to do it yourself - I'm planning on starting this on the weekend |
| 21:40:23 | AlexP | k |
| 21:40:23 | pixelma | evilnick_B: IIRC the origin of this convention lies in the fact that Iriver changed their own brand spelling and before disagreeing on which one to chose or before they change it again, it was decided to just go by this rule |
| 21:41:10 | evilnick_B | pixelma: Yep, gevaerts just told me :) |
| 21:41:28 | gevaerts | evilnick_B: to be correct, I said that I *thought* that was the case :) |
| 21:41:31 | pixelma | too slow |
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| 21:42:44 | evilnick_B | Like I said, if/when all the model names are macrofied, then I (personally) think that brandnames that are recognised by the majority of the users should be used throughout the manual. |
| 21:43:15 | gevaerts | We could go for a rule that if the manufacturer changed his mind at least once, they get the standard language rules |
| 21:43:26 | AlexP | gevaerts: I've asked uchida to put a description in the commit message before and he said OK |
| 21:43:36 | AlexP | SO I don't hold out much hope this time |
| 21:43:57 | AlexP | And this afternoon's was especially bad, with so many tasks all in one commit |
| 21:44:28 | evilnick_B | gevaerts: I'm more thinking along the lines of that we should use what is the accepted term for the player. Though how this would be determined is beyond me! |
| 21:45:06 | gevaerts | evilnick_B: exactly. If it has changed a few times, there is no right way anymore |
| 21:48:33 | amiconn | pamaury: The debug menu doesn't pay particular attention to usb, or other external events. |
| 21:48:49 | amiconn | It's debatable whether it should - it's a debug menu after all |
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| 21:53:39 | pixelma | amiconn: I believe it's a USB screen bug though |
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| 21:54:22 | pixelma | as I think I saw it too with just a slightly older build but didn't want to say something until I tested a recent one |
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| 21:55:53 | pixelma | and not from the debug screen, just a scrolling line in the file browser |
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| 21:58:55 | AlexP | Anyone know what "Joins lines. Useful for adopting the orphans that occur with e{}-mail style (i.e. pre{}-wrapped) text files." is trying to say? |
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| 22:01:37 | evilnick_B | AlexP: Probably that it re-flows the lines so you don't get |
| 22:01:38 | evilnick_B | single |
| 22:01:44 | evilnick_B | words on one line, sort of thing? |
| 22:02:36 | AlexP | OK, I'll go with "Join lines together" :) |
| 22:03:16 | AlexP | "Set the maximum column width to 114" |
| 22:03:24 | AlexP | 114 what? ccharacters? pixels? |
| 22:03:53 | evilnick_B | Wouldn't that depend on whether it's a monospace font or not? |
| 22:04:00 | AlexP | indeed |
| 22:04:17 | AlexP | This biggest problem I'm having here is not understanding what is there at the moment |
| 22:04:28 | AlexP | It must be pixels I guess |
| 22:04:34 | AlexP | but seems a really odd option |
| 22:04:48 | * | evilnick_B suggests trying out these options on target |
| 22:05:04 | AlexP | Especially as it is called wide, and narrow sets it to the screen width |
| 22:05:21 | AlexP | apparently |
| 22:09:08 | pixelma | I could *somewhat* understand 112 as that's the bitmapped Archos' screen width |
| 22:09:37 | pixelma | if it's pixels |
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| 22:47:36 | Luca_S | uhm |
| 22:47:54 | Luca_S | I'm trying to compile SVN for the fuzev2, but it gives me a handful of errors |
| 22:48:47 | kugel | like? |
| 22:49:01 | Luca_S | no FM I2C IOPIN defines |
| 22:49:03 | kugel | main build or bootloader? |
| 22:49:17 | Luca_S | hm.. I selected normal in the configure script |
| 22:49:37 | kugel | we haven't even a working bootloader, so don't even think of compiling the main build |
| 22:50:28 | Luca_S | should I simply run configure again to select boot loader build? |
| 22:50:55 | kugel | yea |
| 22:51:04 | kugel | do a make clean before though |
| 22:52:17 | Luca_S | undefined reference to button_hold / libgcc.a uses FPA instructions whereas bootloader.elf does not |
| 22:52:27 | Luca_S | (i'm using the vmware dev platform) |
| 22:58:45 | CIA-5 | New commit by alex (r25238): Try to improve the English for the text viewer plugin. Only the English has been changed, the actual content still needs some work. |
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| 23:18:03 | TheSeven | erm, why does rockbox pause playing when I unplug usb!? |
| 23:18:15 | TheSeven | (I was in charging mode before) |
| 23:18:44 | Darkknight512 | it dosent do that for me |
| 23:19:33 | Darkknight512 | but then mine dosent say charging |
| 23:20:12 | Strife89 | TheSeven: Is it *pausing* or *stopping*? |
| 23:20:26 | TheSeven | pausing, and even resuming when I re-plug it |
| 23:20:38 | Strife89 | Because my build *stops* playback when I unplug from charging mode. |
| 23:20:55 | Strife89 | Of course, it's an iPod Photo, and I'm using a patch. |
| 23:21:15 | TheSeven | this *could* be some GPIO screwup with the headphone detection |
| 23:21:35 | TheSeven | but I thought that this was working properly, and it actually also reacts on the headphones being unplugged |
| 23:22:08 | * | Strife89 compiles anew. |
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| 23:50:59 | Hillshum | TheSeven: Are you in car adapter mode? |
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