#rockbox 2010-03-19

Previous day | Jump to hour: 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 | Next day

Seconds: Show Hide | Joins: Show Hide | View raw
Font: Serif Sans-Serif Monospace | Size: Small Medium Large

Click in the nick column to highlight everything a person has said.
The Logo icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).

#rockbox log for 2010-03-19

00:02:27		Quit p3tur (Remote host closed the connection)
00:02:37		Quit flyback (Excess Flood)
00:03:00		Join flyback [0] (~teac@c-98-219-129-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
00:05:34		Quit Zarggg (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
00:05:56		Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@2001:0:4137:9e74:0:3437:beb1:ba3d)
00:09:22		Join antil33t1 [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz)
00:09:28		Quit antil33t (Disconnected by services)
00:10:21		Join p3tur [0] (~peter@78-21-207-106.access.telenet.be)
00:10:21		Quit p3tur (Changing host)
00:10:21		Join p3tur [0] (~peter@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:10:38		Join Unhelpful_ [0] (~quassel@pool-71-173-205-32.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)
00:10:39		Quit Unhelpful_ (Changing host)
00:10:39		Join Unhelpful_ [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful)
00:10:49		Quit petur (Disconnected by services)
00:10:57		Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~peter@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:11:22		Join MethoS_ [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250)
00:11:35		Join maraz_ [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi)
00:12:27		Join RadicalR [0] (~radicalr@c-69-255-49-110.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
00:14:12		Quit Unhelpful (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:12		Quit MethoS-- (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:12		Quit maraz (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:13		Quit shaggy-h (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:13		Quit kkurbjun (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:13		Quit lyngaas (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
00:14:42		Join kkurbjun [0] (~kkurbjun@c-98-245-170-51.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
00:15:57		Join jfc^2 [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com)
00:17:51		Quit MethoS_ (Ping timeout: 257 seconds)
00:17:58		Join MethoS_ [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250)
00:19:31		Quit jfc^3 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
00:19:39		Quit petur (Quit: reboot router)
00:22:40		Join petur [0] (~peter@78-21-207-106.access.telenet.be)
00:22:40		Quit petur (Changing host)
00:22:40		Join petur [0] (~peter@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:22:40		Join Xerion_ [0] (~xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl)
00:22:40		Quit CGL (Quit: Saliendo)
00:22:40		Join lyngaas [0] (~staale@19.81-167-149.customer.lyse.net)
00:22:41		Quit Darkknight512 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920])
00:22:41		Join kaniini_ [0] (~quassel@dyn75-70.yok.fi)
00:22:43		Join webguest84 [0] (~542e6edd@giant.haxx.se)
00:22:48		Quit webguest84 (Client Quit)
00:22:54		Join humold [0] (~542e6edd@giant.haxx.se)
00:24:06		Join aaron__ [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
00:24:12		Join toffe82_ [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14)
00:24:14		Quit kaniini (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
00:24:17		Join nimak [0] (~nima@adsl-75-45-227-30.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net)
00:24:40		Join planetbeh [0] (~planetbei@c-71-236-164-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
00:25:46		Quit petur (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
00:26:40		Join ved_ [0] (ved@ddsbox.co.cc)
00:26:55		Quit nima (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:55		Quit toffe82 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:55		Quit adnyxo (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:55		Quit Xerion (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:56		Quit planetbeing (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:56		Quit ved (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
00:26:56		Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (~xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl)
00:27:03		Quit toffe82_ (Client Quit)
00:28:17		Nick Connor__ is now known as Connor1 (Connor@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net)
00:28:29		Join petur [0] (~peter@78-21-207-106.access.telenet.be)
00:28:29		Quit petur (Changing host)
00:28:29		Join petur [0] (~peter@rockbox/developer/petur)
00:29:05	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:34:02		Quit anewuser (Disconnected by services)
00:34:02		Join anewuse3 [0] (anewuser@190.77.16.9)
00:34:14		Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-175.nyc.res.rr.com)
00:38:08		Quit fyre^OS (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
00:39:31		Quit togetic (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
00:39:32		Nick ved_ is now known as ved (ved@ddsbox.co.cc)
00:39:52		Quit gill0r (Remote host closed the connection)
00:44:36		Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
00:45:49		Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
00:46:22		Nick anewuse3 is now known as anewuser (anewuser@190.77.16.9)
00:46:23		Quit anewuser (Changing host)
00:46:24		Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser)
00:46:29		Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend)
00:49:14		Nick Unhelpful_ is now known as Unhelpful (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful)
00:49:20		Quit Curtman (Remote host closed the connection)
00:50:07		Join CaptainKewl [0] (~jason@207-237-107-203.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com)
00:50:13		Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht)
00:54:54		Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
00:58:56		Quit MethoS_ (Remote host closed the connection)
01:00
01:01:05		Quit bertrik (Quit: De groeten)
01:03:17		Join japc [0] (~japc@bl16-9-226.dsl.telepac.pt)
01:03:23		Join japc_ [0] (~japc@bl16-9-226.dsl.telepac.pt)
01:03:32		Quit bluebroth3r (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
01:09:26	r0b-	hmmm when i tell Rbuilqt to detect my player it errors
01:10:28		Quit JdGordon (Read error: Operation timed out)
01:11:40		Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
01:11:40	perfectdrug	"player" is not very specific
01:12:01	r0b-	e250
01:12:05	r0b-	e260*
01:12:08	r0b-	the case says v2
01:12:16		Quit Farthen (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
01:13:16	perfectdrug	it only matters what the sansaversion tells as firmwareversion to know if it is a v2 for sure
01:13:35	perfectdrug	s/sansaversion/sansafirmware
01:13:37	r0b-	its v1 firmware
01:13:42	r0b-	but its in a v2 case
01:14:21	perfectdrug	which usb-mode did you set in the OF
01:14:22	krazykit	so it's a v1.
01:14:24	funman	then it's a v1, i can put a sansa e200v1 in an ipod case but it will still be recognized as a v1
01:14:56	r0b-	for some reason Rockbox wont recognize it
01:15:02	r0b-	it wont install
01:15:29		Quit Zambezi (Quit: 2weeks idletime.)
01:16:15	perfectdrug	does it show up as drive on your PC?
01:16:23		Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection)
01:16:24	funman	then see what perfectdrug just said and paste what's in Help>Troubleshoot> both entries
01:16:25	robin0800	r0b-: whats the firmware version?
01:17:01	r0b-	v 1.02.24A
01:17:39	robin0800	r0b-: thats version 2 then
01:17:55	r0b-	v1 firmware starts with 1
01:17:59	r0b-	v2 starts with 3
01:18:01	funman	robin0800: nope, only the first number counts
01:18:48	perfectdrug	r0b-: put the troubleshoot entries to pastebin.com and post the link
01:20:01	r0b-	hold
01:21:13		Quit flyback (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
01:21:40		Join flyback [0] (~teac@c-98-219-129-239.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
01:22:55	r0b-	its locking up when i install the bootloader
01:24:56		Quit Rob2222 (Quit: Rob2222)
01:25:16	r0b-	its a refurbished Sansa e260
01:25:25	r0b-	its not the R model
01:25:42	Llorean	As was asked, what USB mode is it in?
01:25:49	r0b-	MSC
01:26:05	Llorean	What operating system are you in?
01:26:06		Join Rob2222 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDC946C.dip.t-dialin.net)
01:26:24	r0b-	XP
01:28:07	Llorean	Go to a site like pastebin.ca and paste the Help->Troubleshoot->System Trace as funman suggested then. Make sure the player was attached to the computer, showing up as a drive letter when you do this.
01:30:11	r0b-	http://pastebin.ca/1845236
01:31:39	funman	r0b-: you forgot "System Info"
01:31:54	r0b-	i got it
01:32:01	r0b-	i had to use sansapatcher to get the bootloader
01:32:16		Quit funman (Quit: free(random());)
01:32:32	Llorean	r0b-: Generally, we'd prefer to actually figure out why the preferred tool isn't working rather than bypassing it.
01:32:49	Llorean	Now we don't really have a way to track down what was wrong.
01:33:51	r0b-	hold please :P
01:39:27	r0b-	oh it wasnt attached :P
01:42:55		Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection)
01:44:22		Quit japc (Quit: Ex-Chat)
01:44:22		Quit japc_ (Quit: Ex-Chat)
01:44:59	r0b-	http://pastebin.ca/1845253
01:45:02	r0b-	theres the sysinfo
01:47:48	r0b-	its rockboxed :)
01:50:24		Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me)
01:51:09		Quit komputes (Quit: I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.)
01:51:41	r0b-	now to install the 125 themes lol
01:52:46		Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@78.235.252.137)
01:54:37	r0b-	theres the sysinfo though
02:00
02:10:53		Quit MagusG (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
02:11:37		Quit jordan` (Quit: Coyote finally caught me)
02:16:11		Quit perfectdrug (Quit: perfectdrug)
02:18:29		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
02:21:16		Join kjbbb [0] (~kjb@153.104.187.130)
02:29:06	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:34:41		Quit xiainx (Quit: Good Bye)
02:35:13		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
02:36:52		Join ansuz [0] (~ansuz@dsl093-172-019.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
02:37:08		Quit humold (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout))
02:37:48		Quit CaptainKewl (Remote host closed the connection)
02:41:13		Quit BlastTyrant (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
02:45:38		Quit stripwax (Quit: http://miranda-im.org)
02:47:14		Join BlastTyrant [0] (~Dan@cpe-74-70-177-91.nycap.res.rr.com)
02:49:48		Join togetic [0] (~togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy)
03:00
03:00:53		Quit RadicalR (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
03:01:15		Join RadicalR [0] (~radicalr@c-69-255-49-110.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
03:03:25		Quit anewuser ()
03:05:44		Quit aaron__ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
03:08:34		Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser)
03:08:58		Join Tomis2 [0] (~Tomis@70.134.81.56)
03:11:30		Quit Tomis (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
03:11:30		Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (~Tomis@70.134.81.56)
03:22:07		Part kjbbb
03:23:10		Quit Schmogel (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
03:28:17		Join froggyman [0] (~sopgenort@pool-72-69-76-103.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net)
03:32:06		Quit panni_ (Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de ))
03:35:40		Join kramer3d [0] (~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d)
03:51:02		Quit phanboy_iv (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
04:00
04:00:35		Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
04:02:24		Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.5.166)
04:13:55		Quit froggyman (Quit: Goodnight moon)
04:29:07	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04:32:29		Quit anewuser ()
04:34:00		Part flyback
04:43:46		Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
04:45:41		Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@gssn-5f757771.pool.mediaWays.net)
04:48:28		Join tipi^ [0] (~pihlstro@lehtori.cc.tut.fi)
04:53:03		Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCB7C3.dip.t-dialin.net)
04:56:44		Quit Rob2222 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
04:57:54		Quit tipi^ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
04:58:37		Quit kramer3d (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
04:59:54		Quit ansuz (Remote host closed the connection)
05:00
05:08:18		Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-246-20.phlapa.east.verizon.net)
05:19:27		Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
05:21:09		Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.79.141.37)
05:23:34		Join tipi^ [0] (~pihlstro@lehtori.cc.tut.fi)
05:25:48		Join FOAD_ [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
05:29:20		Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
05:29:21		Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
05:48:00		Join amt [0] (~29e898f7@giant.haxx.se)
05:52:13		Quit amt (Client Quit)
05:52:55		Join webguest70 [0] (~29e898f7@giant.haxx.se)
06:00
06:02:02		Quit BlastTyrant (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
06:02:18	r0b-	anyone around?
06:05:54	r0b-	i am having USB HID issues with the e200v1
06:06:52	Llorean	Generally you should be as specific as possible about the problem you're having.
06:07:19	r0b-	well with HID enabled in Rockbox it now says the device will not start in windows XP
06:07:32	r0b-	but if i disable USB HID it loads as a regular drive
06:09:05	Llorean	Some people have had a similar issue, I think. I thought there had been some talk of disabling HID by default
06:09:34	r0b-	i would definatly do that
06:09:44	r0b-	i was thinking it was the player
06:09:54	r0b-	i JUST got it today
06:11:25	Llorean	I think it's actually related to the host computer, but I don't really know any more
06:11:48	r0b-	well i will try to remove all the rockbox drivers
06:15:43	r0b-	in
06:15:52	r0b-	finding many flaws
06:16:14	r0b-	in the e200's
06:17:11	r0b-	well this is also version 3.5.1
06:17:43	Llorean	What does that have to do with it?
06:17:56	r0b-	no idea
06:18:17	r0b-	the up to date SVN version seems flawless
06:18:45	Llorean	There shouldn't be many significant differences between them.
06:19:03	r0b-	ok i guess its the computer
06:20:03	r0b-	ill just stfu and go now
06:24:00		Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
06:25:50	r0b-	could be an issue with the USB?
06:26:15		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
06:29:09	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
06:29:46	DV_	hi all
06:29:50	Llorean	As I said, it doesn't work right for a lot of people, which most likely means either something still needs fixing in code, or something common is conflicting with the way we do things.
06:30:02	DV_	did we get shortlisted for GSOC 2010
06:30:05	Llorean	There's really not something you should be doing right now or worrying about.
06:30:09	DV_	i cudn't find the link in here http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010
06:30:40		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
06:30:50	Llorean	DV_: I see us in the list.
06:31:23	Llorean	Did you try just hitting the search function in your browser and searching for Rockbox? We're in the second list, the one for accepted and has completed their profile.
06:32:39	DV_	can u give me that link?
06:34:07	Llorean	What link?
06:34:10	Llorean	It's the page you just linked.
06:37:19		Quit r0b- (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
06:37:24		Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-236-178-147.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net)
06:38:09		Quit DV_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
06:39:52		Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin)
06:41:24		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
06:44:13		Quit rvvs89 (Changing host)
06:44:13		Join rvvs89 [0] (robotnik@pdpc/supporter/base/rvvs89)
06:44:19		Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
06:47:46		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
06:48:14		Quit webguest70 (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF))
07:00
07:08:00		Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s)
07:18:22		Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos)
07:23:27		Join Winnunga [0] (~792dcb06@giant.haxx.se)
07:23:47	Winnunga	Hi, does rockbox support the iRiver e10?
07:24:49		Quit Winnunga (Client Quit)
07:24:52		Join Winnunga [0] (~792dcb06@giant.haxx.se)
07:25:00	n1s	Winnunga: nope
07:25:00		Quit Winnunga (Client Quit)
07:28:33		Quit Tomis (Quit: Tomis)
07:29:22		Quit CGL (Quit: Saliendo)
07:29:52		Quit Xerion (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
07:30:46		Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl)
07:35:11		Quit moos (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158])
07:51:12		Quit planetbeh (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
07:54:20		Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
07:54:22		Join Horschti [0] (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht)
07:57:47		Quit Horscht (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
08:00
08:01:19		Join Tomis [0] (~Tomis@70.134.81.56)
08:07:48		Quit arbingordon (Quit: `)
08:08:11		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
08:08:21		Join Parsi [0] (~Maysam@89.165.90.24)
08:08:31		Join Greyshadow [0] (~Grey@unaffiliated/greyshadow)
08:11:30	Parsi	i'm interested to installing rockbox on ipod nano 2nd gen, can i?
08:13:13		Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
08:13:15		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
08:13:24	r0b-	yes
08:14:02	Parsi	r0b-: can you help me?
08:14:08	r0b-	pm me :P
08:16:10	Llorean	r0b-: Why do you seem so focused on PM? There's generally benefit to just speaking in the channel if it's about Rockbox.
08:16:24	Llorean	Among other things, if you get steps wrong or if something's changed, someone can pitch in and help make sure things are accurate.
08:16:44	r0b-	im a one on one person :P
08:17:01	scorche	well, that pretty much defeats the purpose of IRC
08:19:52	r0b-	:P im still irritated
08:23:11	r0b-	id like to contribute to coding for rockbox but i am unable to assemble a linux tool chain
08:23:22	Llorean	Where does the script fail?
08:23:46	r0b-	?
08:24:17	Llorean	Building the toolchain.
08:24:25	Llorean	There's a script to do it.
08:24:26	r0b-	i dont have a linux box to use
08:24:28	scorche	r0b-: what step are you stuck on?
08:24:45	scorche	then which route have you tried?....vmware?...cygwin?
08:25:06	r0b-	well im gonna try vmware
08:25:14	r0b-	but i must find a distro to use first
08:26:16	Llorean	We provide a vmware image that's ready to go.
08:26:22	Llorean	Makes the whole process quite simple.
08:27:10	r0b-	alright ill dowload the vmware image
08:28:10	r0b-	thanks guys
08:28:19	r0b-	i really do want a chance to look into it
08:28:33	topik	can a themesite admin please give me a moment. i want to replace a theme i uploaded (themeid=250) with a working version
08:28:37	r0b-	and attempt to improve it if i could
08:29:10	Llorean	topik: I'm pretty sure you can replace your own themes as long as all the info is the same when you submit the new version.
08:29:12	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
08:29:13	Llorean	Or so I heard.
08:30:46	linuxstb	Parsi: There are install instructions in the Rockbox manual - see the "manual" link in the left menu on the Rockbox website. Ask here if you have any questions/problems you can't find an answer to in the manual.
08:30:52	topik	yeah, i tried that but i must be using the wrong email address
08:31:13		Quit JdGordon (Quit: Leaving.)
08:32:16		Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org)
08:34:05	Parsi	if i install rockbox, can i return to the original firmware?
08:34:59	topik	rockbox doesn't replace the original firmware, it is dual-boot
08:35:20	Parsi	topik: wow, how to boot the ipod with rockbox?
08:36:04	topik	rockbox becomes the default. to boot the original firmware you usually have to hold a button after turning on the device
08:36:23	Parsi	ok
08:41:38	Parsi	i get 'could not open ipod' error
08:42:55		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
08:43:23	topik	are you following the manual to install ?
08:44:30		Quit Tomis (Quit: Tomis)
08:45:42		Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
08:48:28		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
08:48:47		Join PaulJam [0] (~Paule@p54BEFFA2.dip.t-dialin.net)
08:50:09		Quit hd (Quit: Ω)
09:00
09:05:23	r0b-	ok this is weird
09:05:31	r0b-	now USB HID works on this sansa e200
09:09:40		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
09:13:21		Quit DV_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
09:13:40		Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
09:16:43		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
09:17:11	linuxstb	Parsi: Are you using Linux, Windows, OS X, something else?
09:17:28	Parsi	linuxstb: windows
09:17:49	linuxstb	Are you logged in as an administrator?
09:18:03	Parsi	linuxstb: problem solved:)
09:18:25	topik	that's in the manual
09:20:30		Quit Zarggg (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
09:21:03		Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com)
09:23:48		Part Greyshadow
09:25:17		Join LinusN [0] (~linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
09:28:22		Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se)
09:38:04	Parsi	i couldn't load ipods default firmware:-s
09:40:27	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: hold "menu" to turn the ipod on...it will boot into the Apple Firmware.
09:41:25	S_a_i_n_t	alternatively, turn the ipod on, then quickly switch on "hold", it will boot into the Apple FW then also.
09:41:48	S_a_i_n_t	But I find using menu to turn it on, and holding menu, to be the easiest option.
09:42:32		Join flydutch [0] (~flydutch@host83-164-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
09:42:51	Parsi	ok
09:44:58	topik	i never have the desire to go back to the OF on my nano2g
09:44:59		Quit DV_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
09:46:49		Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother)
09:50:21		Join gill0r [0] (~gill0r@f055115121.adsl.alicedsl.de)
09:50:25	Parsi	topik: why?
09:50:49	S_a_i_n_t	The only reason I ever have to is in the car, the dock in there doesn;t seem to like RB :[
09:52:07	Parsi	i'm in original FW but itunes does not recognize it
09:52:10	Parsi	:-s
09:52:13		Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury)
09:52:15	Parsi	it says i need to restore
09:53:06	S_a_i_n_t	Then you probably did something wrong during the install process.
09:54:12	topik	Parsi: rockbox can do all i want on my player
09:54:12	S_a_i_n_t	Restore the iPod using iTunes (or whatever method you're used to), and try again.
09:54:28	Parsi	ok
09:56:33		Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.242)
09:57:27	S_a_i_n_t	The Nano2g port is still listed as unstable, for some reason a few people seem to get more " PANIC's " than others.
09:58:19	topik	seems there are some different nand chips used and TheSeven only has one so he can only test for that
09:58:29	Parsi	:-s "The ipod cannot be restored because it contains files that are used by another applications"
09:58:49	S_a_i_n_t	Occasionally the panic will cause the iPod to need to be restored, but that's fairly rare now.
09:59:02	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: Are you on windows OS?
09:59:17	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: yes
09:59:28	S_a_i_n_t	Hit Ctrl+Alt+Del
09:59:46	S_a_i_n_t	find "explorer.exe" and shut down the process.
09:59:52	Parsi	why??
10:00
10:00:18	S_a_i_n_t	To fix the acces problem you're having.
10:00:26	Parsi	let me try
10:00:30	topik	or 'safely remove' it and plug it back in
10:00:34	S_a_i_n_t	then go to the "applications" tab.
10:01:01	S_a_i_n_t	then "new task" and type "explorer.exe"
10:01:11	S_a_i_n_t	enter.
10:01:23	S_a_i_n_t	now you should be able to restore the iPod.
10:02:09		Join DerPapst [0] (~DerPapst@p4FE8FA04.dip.t-dialin.net)
10:03:08	S_a_i_n_t	topik: Ah, right....Duh (hehe...). S_a_i_n_t slaps his forhead.
10:03:15	S_a_i_n_t	Yes, that will work also :P
10:06:16		Quit scorche (Quit: rawr...that is all...rawr)
10:06:46	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: same:(
10:13:03	S_a_i_n_t	what do you mean "same"?
10:13:34	topik	perhaps autorun is digging through his ipod
10:14:25	S_a_i_n_t	it shouldn't be if the OFW's been trashed by that panic
10:15:34	S_a_i_n_t	If iTunes is running, it should go "Hey! You need to restore that f****d up iPod before you can use it"
10:15:47	S_a_i_n_t	And then give you the option to do so.
10:16:04	pixelma	I had a similar effect recently with file system errors on my M5, had to fix them first
10:17:21	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...iPod may be slightly different? As long as the PC (and iTunes) can see the iPod is connected, it can restore it.
10:17:28	S_a_i_n_t	*In my experience.
10:21:42	topik	did he get a panic? i must have missed that
10:22:45		Join FOAD_ [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
10:22:51	Parsi	i'm trying itunes 7
10:23:07	S_a_i_n_t	Well he said it needed a restore after the install, I can't think of a reason it'd do that other than a panic.
10:23:09	Parsi	maybe it restore
10:23:23	S_a_i_n_t	Or doing something really wrong during the install...
10:24:08	S_a_i_n_t	s/after the install/after installing RB/
10:24:19	Parsi	should i put the ipod into disk mod?
10:24:39	topik	Parsi: your ipod does not start the original firmware NOR rockbox atm ?
10:26:17	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: You said you're using iTunes 7? Isn't the current version of iTunes 9?
10:26:20		Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
10:26:20		Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
10:26:42	Parsi	topik: it is
10:28:04	topik	i don't know how that is an answer to my question
10:29:00	Parsi	topik: with itunes v9 it does not work
10:29:16	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
10:29:29	topik	yeah ok. but disconnected, your nano is not working right now?
10:29:38	topik	or it always starts rockbox?
10:30:02	Parsi	topik: yes, RB works, OFM works also, but itunes says restore it
10:30:18	topik	ah ok, that's helpfull
10:30:28		Part topik
10:30:38		Join topik [0] (awesome@wtf.grmpf.org)
10:30:42	topik	and that was the wrong button
10:31:56	*	S_a_i_n_t can't imagine why iTunes wants to restore the iPod if the OFW is indeed running fine...
10:32:17	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: it sucks
10:32:48	S_a_i_n_t	"it" being iTunes, or the situation at hand?
10:32:59	Parsi	itunes
10:33:11	S_a_i_n_t	hehe...yes, that it does.
10:33:44	Parsi	now i'm trying itunes v8
10:33:51	Parsi	no chance with v7
10:34:03	S_a_i_n_t	well, as long as RB works, then you can just drag & drop your music to the iPod...and you don;t need iTunes anymore.
10:34:36	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: iTunes 9.03 is the current version.
10:34:46	topik	would itunes 'detect' rockbox modified the bootloader and want to restore it because of that?
10:34:51	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: it does not work
10:35:03	S_a_i_n_t	And it works fine for me.
10:35:12	Parsi	topik: maybe
10:35:24	S_a_i_n_t	*for restoring my Nano 1/2/4/5g's
10:35:37	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: have you OFW and RB?
10:36:00	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: yes.
10:36:10		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
10:36:11	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: both work fine? also itunes?
10:37:23	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: yes.
10:37:30	Parsi	hm
10:37:31	S_a_i_n_t	both work fine for me.
10:37:55	Parsi	so what the hell going here:(
10:39:48	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: do you know where is the location of restore file in the hdd?
10:39:58	S_a_i_n_t	I make sure that I switch to the OFW before I plug it in when I want to use iTunes (which is hardly ever), but even if iTunes is running in the background, I'venever had it complain about wanting to restore the iPod if I plug it in while its running the Rockbox FW
10:39:59	Parsi	i've firmware
10:40:07		Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
10:40:37	S_a_i_n_t	Do you mean the Apple firmware? On the Nano, or on the computer?
10:41:05	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: on the computer
10:41:19		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
10:41:33	Parsi	i want to use already downloaded firmware
10:42:29	S_a_i_n_t	C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPod Software Updates
10:42:49	S_a_i_n_t	"Administrator" will by "your account"
10:43:06	Parsi	C:\Users\Maysam\AppData\Roaming\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPod Software Updates
10:43:09	Parsi	thanks
10:43:16	S_a_i_n_t	you're looking for a file called "iPod_19.1.1.3.ipsw"
10:43:28	Parsi	i have it
10:43:46	S_a_i_n_t	^is the current (latest) FW for Nano
10:44:16	Parsi	ahhhh! cannot restore
10:44:17	Parsi	:(
10:44:33	Parsi	i don't know what the f**k is using ipod files
10:44:57	S_a_i_n_t	what is the error you're getting?
10:46:15	Parsi	The ipod cannot be restored because it contains files that are used by another applications
10:46:19	S_a_i_n_t	If you know how to use iPodpatcher, you can use it to install the Apple firmware.
10:46:53	S_a_i_n_t	I'd suggest restarting the computer.
10:47:01	Parsi	ok, let me do it
10:47:06		Part Parsi
10:47:49		Quit arbingordon (Quit: `)
10:47:51	S_a_i_n_t	topik: have you ever seen that error before? "The ipod cannot be restored because it contains files that are used by another applications"
10:48:02	*	S_a_i_n_t never has
10:48:36		Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
10:49:24		Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
10:53:00	topik	nope. but i have only ever restored my nano once after one of the earlier FTL experiments went wrong
10:54:52	pamaury	If some people have free time and/or a device, please test or review "FS #11118 - Reduce the number of cached sector in the fat driver ". Otherwise I'll commit it and you'll cry because nothing work anymore :)
10:55:05		Join Parsi [0] (~Maysam@89.165.90.54)
10:55:19	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: same message again
10:55:37	Parsi	how can i restore it with ipodpatcher?
10:55:50	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: this is really weird.
10:55:56	Parsi	yes
10:56:06	S_a_i_n_t	What files do you have on the iPod?
10:56:35	S_a_i_n_t	you don't have some form of App installed on it do you?!?
10:56:57	Parsi	RockboxUtility.exe
10:56:59	Parsi	RockboxUtility.ini
10:56:59		Quit Bug2000 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
10:57:02	Parsi	.rockbox
10:57:17	Parsi	folders: video, contacts, calendars, notes
10:57:39	S_a_i_n_t	you have rockboxutility on the iPod?
10:57:43	Parsi	yes
10:57:46	topik	Parsi: don't run the utility from the ipod
10:57:52	Parsi	i don't
10:57:53	S_a_i_n_t	that may be causing problems...
10:57:57	topik	run it from some other disk
10:58:02	Parsi	it's not runing
10:58:11	topik	something is open, perhaps it's that
10:58:20	topik	pamaury: how to best test it?
10:59:03		Join scorche\|sh [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
10:59:03	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: I'd definitely try removing RockboxUtility.exe and RockboxUtility.ini
10:59:07	topik	and any particular device you prefer it tested on?
10:59:08	S_a_i_n_t	then try again.
10:59:16	Parsi	ok..
11:00
11:00:31	pamaury	topik: apply my patch, compile, run it. If it works, then it works, otherwise, you'll immediately know it :) (missing files, errors, ...).
11:01:01	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t, topik, same message:(
11:01:09	topik	well yes, i can apply the patch. compiling now for my fuze
11:01:38	topik	Parsi: i would try to reboot and run itunes immediately after starting up
11:01:46	topik	and probably yell at the screen while doing so
11:01:50	Parsi	topik: i did it
11:03:21	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: you I can restore it with ipodpatcher, true?
11:03:42		Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
11:04:31	topik	i wish someone would patch away the 'refreshing database' of the original sansa firmware
11:04:54		Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.5.166)
11:05:11		Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@78.235.252.137)
11:05:12	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: you I can restore it with ipodpatcher, true?
11:06:22	S_a_i_n_t	yes, you can. Have you used iPodpatcher before?
11:06:27	Parsi	nope
11:07:09	Parsi	ipod patcher is open now
11:07:14	Parsi	what should i do?
11:07:26	S_a_i_n_t	close it.
11:07:31	Parsi	oh
11:07:50	Parsi	then is?
11:08:20	topik	pamaury: applied the patch. rockbox starts fine. playing a song now from the usd card in my fuze
11:08:23	S_a_i_n_t	use the one I'm sending you.
11:08:42	Parsi	what's different?
11:09:13	S_a_i_n_t	now, copy the .ipsw file you found earlier to a folder on the decktop
11:09:13		Quit scorche (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
11:09:25	Parsi	it's on desktop
11:09:29	S_a_i_n_t	*desktop
11:09:32		Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
11:09:39	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: What are you trying to get Parsi to do?
11:09:55	Parsi	linuxstb: restoring ipod FW
11:10:16	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: now?
11:10:18	linuxstb	Why? Does the usual uninstall procedure not work?
11:10:28	topik	nothing works, linuxstb
11:10:39	Parsi	linuxstb: no, it does not work, itunes cannot restore it
11:10:49	linuxstb	That's _not_ the normal uninstall procedure.
11:10:52	topik	pamaury: i see no difference. is there anything specific i can test to confirm the patch works like you intended
11:11:02	S_a_i_n_t	you have iPodpatcher and the .ipsw file in the same folder on the desktop?
11:11:15	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: yes
11:11:20	linuxstb	The normal uninstall procedure is to run ipodpatcher or Rockbox Utility and select "uninstall" - does that not work?
11:11:55	S_a_i_n_t	he wants to resore the OFW...not RB
11:12:00	Parsi	linuxstb: to install OFW should i uninstall RB bootloader?
11:12:03	S_a_i_n_t	*restore
11:12:04	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: I KNOW!
11:12:10	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: then is?
11:12:18	S_a_i_n_t	fine...fuck it, you take over then.
11:12:41	linuxstb	That's what the uninstall does - it removes the Rockbox bootloader from the bootloader partition. That should always be the first thing to try.
11:12:47	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: fine?
11:14:15	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: are you there?
11:16:48		Join mischasworld [0] (~quassel@193.174.158.87)
11:17:56	linuxstb	Parsi: I think S_a_i_n_t was upset at my suggestion that you should first try to uninstall Rockbox using either ipodpatcher or Rockbox Utility. Did you try to do that?
11:18:24	linuxstb	(the "uninstall" option in those programs)
11:18:40		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com)
11:19:12	Parsi	linuxstb: yes, hang to see the result
11:19:45	topik	S_a_i_n_t: btw, i don't think pressing and holding 'menu' to turn on a nano2g gets you in the OF
11:20:06	S_a_i_n_t	ah...right, not in the Nano2g.
11:20:34	S_a_i_n_t	linuxstb: What do you think I've been doing?!?
11:20:49	S_a_i_n_t	I moved it to PM just so I could tel him how to do so.
11:20:52	topik	it's the hold button on the nano2g, which is a bit annoying as my hold button is broken
11:21:06	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: I've no idea what you've been saying in PMs...
11:21:33	Parsi	there is a white screen with "use itunes to restore"
11:21:35	S_a_i_n_t	I know.
11:22:06		Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at)
11:22:20	topik	pamaury: seems to work on ipod nano2g too
11:22:35	topik	though only tested to see if rockbox starts and if a tune plays
11:24:00	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: Before asking Parsi to go to all the trouble of downloading a firmware image manually, did you ask him to simply run ipodpatcher and press "u" ?
11:24:40		Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0ED25F.dip.t-dialin.net)
11:25:03	S_a_i_n_t	yes, of course I got him to uninstall the bootloader. And he already has the OFW image.
11:25:15	Parsi	ipodpatcher can't detect the ipod
11:25:37		Quit polobric1lo (Read error: Operation timed out)
11:26:29	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: This is getting crazy...I canthink of no reason iTunes is giving you that error.
11:26:55	Parsi	can i format ipod with windows format utility?
11:27:18	linuxstb	And after uninstalling the bootloader, Parsi safely ejected and unplugged his ipod, and the OFW started, but itunes still refused to recognise it?
11:27:21		Join wodz [0] (~wodz@skatol.ch.pw.edu.pl)
11:27:22	topik	i'd get process explorer at this point to see which file has anything open on the ipod
11:27:36	Parsi	linuxstb: yes
11:27:44	S_a_i_n_t	linuxstb: That's the sum of it, yes.
11:27:46	Parsi	topik: your method does not work
11:27:55	topik	i get that a lot
11:28:07	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: "the sium of it", or "yes, that's precisely what was done and what happened" ?
11:28:45	S_a_i_n_t	yes, that's what happened. except itunes sees the ipod...but complains of a running process.
11:29:04	wodz	hello: I have problem with buildclient. According to http://build.rockbox.org/data/25247-clients.html my host is not participating in buildfarm. I do not have running buildclient and when starting it I have "2010-03-19 11:26:18 HELLO failed: error duplicate name!" error message
11:29:19	linuxstb	Then I would guess the ipod is fine, but the PC is confused. I would reboot the PC.
11:29:29		Join polobricolo [0] (~polobrico@AGrenoble-257-1-89-248.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr)
11:29:34	Parsi	linuxstb: i tryed it too
11:29:34	S_a_i_n_t	That was my second suggestion.
11:30:05	linuxstb	All this was before attempting to restore the firmware partition?
11:30:11	S_a_i_n_t	yes.
11:30:21	linuxstb	Has a new firmware image been written now?
11:30:27	Parsi	let me try formating ipod
11:31:25	S_a_i_n_t	The new FW image was written, and apparently succeeded, but then iPodpatcher lost sight of the iPod too (apparently)
11:31:42	S_a_i_n_t	^ linuxstb
11:32:14	Parsi	damn it:(
11:32:30	Parsi	is there something to restore OFW via linux?
11:32:53	S_a_i_n_t	yes, there is...there's a page on the RB wiki for that I believe.
11:33:08	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: Was the new FW image writing succesful? i.e. does the OFW start?
11:33:45	S_a_i_n_t	it started to "please restore using itunes"...
11:33:51	S_a_i_n_t	(or so I'm told)
11:34:09	S_a_i_n_t	s/to/,then/
11:35:26	linuxstb	So it sounds like the restore of the firmware didn't work.
11:35:46	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: here's the page I was thinking of.
11:35:47	S_a_i_n_t	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore
11:36:05	S_a_i_n_t	tis the "linux way" to manually restore an iPod.
11:36:23	S_a_i_n_t	But I'm not a linux guy, someone else needs to take over there.
11:37:19	Parsi	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32 there is not partition table for 2GB 2nd G
11:37:47	linuxstb	Is the ipod in disk mode?
11:37:59	Parsi	yes
11:38:29	linuxstb	How did you restore the firmware image?
11:39:01	Parsi	ipodpatcher.exe -w iPod_19.1.1.3.ipsw
11:39:20	S_a_i_n_t	Ahhhh..there's the problem.
11:39:35	S_a_i_n_t	It seems something got lost in translation.
11:39:36	Parsi	what?
11:39:40	Parsi	:-s
11:39:52	linuxstb	Parsi: By "in disk mode" I meant resetting the ipod (holding menu+select) and then holding SELECT+PLAY
11:39:52	S_a_i_n_t	you need to unzip the .ipsw file
11:40:08	Parsi	linuxstb: yes
11:40:13	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: hah?
11:40:21	S_a_i_n_t	until you see a file Firmware-X-X-X
11:40:33	S_a_i_n_t	where the X's are numbers
11:40:34	linuxstb	Parsi: OK, then it should be easy to fix in Linux. Do you need to reboot?
11:41:00	Parsi	guys, which you have a good way?
11:41:45	linuxstb	Your MBR should still be fine, so ignore that step in the manual restore instructions. You just need to "dd" the Firmware-X.Y..Z to /dev/sdX1, then "eject /dev/sdX" and reset the ipod.
11:42:09	Parsi	linuxstb: let me try S_a_i_n_ts method first
11:42:16	*	linuxstb needs to leave for about 20 minutes...
11:42:22		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
11:42:34	S_a_i_n_t	to get the Firmware file, you need to unzip the .ipsw file
11:42:39	linuxstb	Parsi: That won't work if ipodpatcher doesn't find your ipod, which I don't think it will as you've corrupted the firmware partition.
11:42:48	S_a_i_n_t	that's the part you missed the first time around.
11:42:57	Parsi	linuxstb: yes, it don't work
11:43:22	linuxstb	That's why meant by "it should be easy to fix in Linux". i.e. you _need_ to use Linux.
11:43:31	linuxstb	But I have to run - back in about 20 minutes...
11:44:02	Parsi	linuxstb: ok, i boot pc to linux
11:44:29	S_a_i_n_t	Parsi: you have .Zip or 7z installed?
11:44:50	Parsi	7z
11:45:02		Join rajendrau [0] (~chatzilla@121.246.154.93)
11:45:26	S_a_i_n_t	because you need to extract "firmware-19.8.1.3" from the .ipsw file.
11:45:41	Parsi	i have it extracted
11:45:50	Parsi	dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdX1
11:46:01	Parsi	what is dd? is it supported in ubuntu?
11:46:26	krazykit	yes
11:46:48	krazykit	it's a raw copying mechanism
11:46:53	rajendrau	I have set a backdrop, it got applied. After restarting the player, its going off. I have placed that image in backdrops folder before restarting - sansa e260 v2 player
11:47:20		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
11:47:40	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: be there please, i'm going to linux
11:47:56		Quit Parsi (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
11:48:02	S_a_i_n_t	I'll be here.
11:53:58		Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.)
11:55:58		Join Parsi [0] (~maysam@89.165.89.199)
11:56:09	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: are you there?
11:56:15	S_a_i_n_t	sweet, you're here.
11:56:17	S_a_i_n_t	yes.
11:56:47	S_a_i_n_t	Now, start at step 6 on this : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore page.
11:57:00	S_a_i_n_t	tell me before you start step 7.
11:57:01	Parsi	ok
11:59:00	*	gevaerts decides to warn about being very careful with dd. If you use the wrong device name, your PC might be unbootable, or worse, it might have no data left on it
12:00
12:00:55	Parsi	yes!
12:00:58	Parsi	it works
12:01:02	Parsi	thanks a lott
12:01:20	S_a_i_n_t	parsi...wait...where are you at?
12:01:35	S_a_i_n_t	did you format the nano with 512 sectors?
12:01:41	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: linux, but default FW is back
12:01:45	S_a_i_n_t	it needs to have 2048 IIRC
12:02:13	Parsi	i did what the tut said
12:02:33	S_a_i_n_t	yes, but that's why I asked you to stop at step 7
12:02:44	S_a_i_n_t	the nano2g have larger sectors
12:02:57	Parsi	:-s what's wrong?
12:03:12	Parsi	i ran mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX2
12:03:42	S_a_i_n_t	you should have used "mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER:"
12:03:49	Parsi	oh:(
12:03:50	Parsi	now?
12:04:17	S_a_i_n_t	you can format it again, yes.
12:04:33	Parsi	but linux does not show DRIVE_LETTER
12:04:41	S_a_i_n_t	DRIVE_LETTER = is the drive letter, obviously ;)
12:04:54	Parsi	like R:
12:04:55	Parsi	?
12:04:58	S_a_i_n_t	yes
12:05:36	Parsi	when i run "mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F R:" how it determines what drive should be formatted?
12:06:36	S_a_i_n_t	that's a linux question...I'm not so good with linux.
12:07:06	S_a_i_n_t	All I know about that page is that the Nano2g needs to have 2048byte sectore, instead of 512
12:08:28	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: are you sure i need to format it?
12:09:32	Torne	you don't need to use mformat
12:09:34	S_a_i_n_t	well, if its working....then its working I guess.
12:09:35	Torne	you can use mkfs.vfat
12:09:39	S_a_i_n_t	does the OF boot?
12:09:42	Torne	but yes, you must specify the right sector size
12:09:58	S_a_i_n_t	yay! an iPod guy!
12:10:10	Torne	the required argument for mkfs.vfat is -S 2048 also
12:10:22	Torne	so mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 /dev/whatever2
12:10:34	Parsi	ahaa
12:11:01		Join watto [0] (~watto@193.203.81.165)
12:11:09	*	S_a_i_n_t is glad Torne showed up ;)
12:11:11	Torne	I am assuming S_a_i_n_t is right about the nano2g having 2048 byte sectors, though :)
12:11:14	Torne	I don't know :)
12:11:21	linuxstb	Torne: Yes, it does.
12:11:21	S_a_i_n_t	I'm pretty sure.
12:11:27	Torne	right. then that's the command :)
12:11:44	*	Torne adds himself to the list of possible gsoc mentors
12:12:54	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: are you there? i should leave the desk for 20minutes, hm?
12:13:12	S_a_i_n_t	I'll be here.
12:13:17	Parsi	thanks
12:13:26		Quit liar (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
12:13:54		Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s)
12:14:53	gevaerts	Torne: the mformat thing is because we've had several reports of mkfs.vfat generating 2048-byte-sector filesystems that the rockbox bootloader can't handle
12:14:56		Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at)
12:15:12	gevaerts	If you want to go back to the OF that's not a problem of course
12:17:06	Torne	gevaerts: Hmm
12:17:21	Torne	sounds like fun.
12:17:39		Quit DV_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
12:17:50	S_a_i_n_t	Funny thing with this case is that RB & OFW worked fine...but itunes seemed to think the ipod needed to be restored for some reason...and then wouldn;t let him do so.
12:17:50		Join DV_ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
12:18:03	S_a_i_n_t	Then skipping an instruction dug a deeper hole.
12:22:36		Quit RadicalR (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
12:22:59		Join mischa [0] (~quassel@193.174.158.87)
12:24:21		Join avacore^ [0] (nobody@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk)
12:24:45		Join stavrob_ [0] (~sam@78-105-125-218.zone3.bethere.co.uk)
12:25:06		Join dionoea_ [0] (~dionoea@yop.chewa.net)
12:25:21		Join krazykit` [0] (~kkit@adsl-76-240-216-183.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net)
12:26:40		Quit Parsi (Quit: Leaving.)
12:27:03		Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz)
12:29:18	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
12:29:33		Quit mischasworld (.net .split)
12:29:33		Quit antil33t1 (.net .split)
12:29:33		Quit chaos (.net .split)
12:29:33		Quit mt (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit GodEater (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit leavittx (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit Battousai (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit stavrob (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit tchan (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit krazykit (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit dionoea (.net .split)
12:29:34		Quit avacore (.net .split)
12:30:08		Join Tomis [0] (~Tomis@70.134.81.56)
12:34:13		Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@2001:470:8830::80)
12:34:13		Join chaos [0] (~chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os)
12:34:13		Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater)
12:34:46		Join leavittx [0] (~leavittx@89.221.199.187)
12:35:05		Join mt [0] (~chatzilla@41.233.142.114)
12:35:37	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: That seems to be a known issue (itunes not recognising some nano2gs after an install), although I don't know the details. I think I remember TheSeven saying that he had fixed it, but I don't know how or where. I would have preferred to have debugged that some more, rather than jumping straight to "restore your ipod manually".
12:36:04		Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.38)
12:36:49	S_a_i_n_t	It was his decision to restore
12:37:11	S_a_i_n_t	the problem arose when itunes told him to restore, and he couldn't
12:37:35		Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.116.196.getinternet.no)
12:37:47	S_a_i_n_t	I have no idea why iTunes was giving him the error that it was giving.
12:38:40	S_a_i_n_t	*especially after a: restarting explorer.exe, and b: restarting the PC.
12:39:14		Quit perfectdrug (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
12:40:26	S_a_i_n_t	it was (after some intensive scrolling) "The ipod cannot be restored because it contains files that are used by another application"
12:41:03	topik	i think it's best you go by his place, S_a_i_n_t, and fix it hands-on
12:41:46	S_a_i_n_t	hehehe...if you/he shouts the plane fair :P
12:42:05	S_a_i_n_t	return trip to "who knows where" from NZ
12:42:12	*	S_a_i_n_t could use a holiday :D
12:42:33	S_a_i_n_t	s/fair/fare/
12:43:16	linuxstb	I'm also confused (reading the logs and his quit/join messages) about exactly when he rebooted, and what changes he made to his ipod between reboots.
12:44:25		Quit gill0r (Remote host closed the connection)
12:45:02		Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
12:46:05		Join gill0r [0] (~gill0r@f055115121.adsl.alicedsl.de)
12:46:27		Join Parsi [0] (~Maysam@89.165.89.217)
12:46:38	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: hello again
12:46:54	S_a_i_n_t	hi.
12:47:01	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: i'm on windows
12:47:13	S_a_i_n_t	Now, where are you with your re-install?
12:47:28	Parsi	S_a_i_n_t: syncing songs :)
12:47:29	S_a_i_n_t	Did you format with 2048byte sectors?
12:47:32	Parsi	yes
12:47:36	S_a_i_n_t	Oh...cool :D
12:47:57	Parsi	now, can you help me to re-install RB on my ipod?
12:48:07	Parsi	step-by-step
12:48:25	S_a_i_n_t	sure.
12:48:47	linuxstb	Parsi: Can I ask you a question about your original installation of Rockbox? Did you click on "safely eject" after running Rockbox Utility/ipodpatcher, or did you just pull the cable out?
12:48:49	Parsi	130 songs remained
12:49:00	Parsi	linuxstb: no
12:49:13	S_a_i_n_t	Ahhhhhhh
12:49:15	Parsi	i don't use 'safely eject'
12:49:15	linuxstb	I can't ask the question?
12:49:23	Parsi	linuxstb: sure
12:49:41	Parsi	but i'll do it before ejecting ipod
12:50:25	Parsi	linuxstb: you can buddy
12:50:26	linuxstb	Parsi: If I was you, I would now do a restore with itunes, before carrying on with Rockbox. To try and ensure your ipod is in as good a condition as possible.
12:50:52	Parsi	linuxstb: i did a restore, it's ok now
12:51:04	linuxstb	OK, so itunes and your ipod are talking happily again?
12:51:04	S_a_i_n_t	bit late for that if he's syncing music already ;)
12:51:17	S_a_i_n_t	that's awesome.
12:51:40	Parsi	linuxstb: yes
12:52:15	linuxstb	S_a_i_n_t: I'm just taking it slowly, to prevent any misunderstandings...
12:53:10	Parsi	after having sync done, i'll try to install RB
12:54:31	linuxstb	Parsi: I would have tried to install Rockbox before syncing - if the same thing happens again, you're wasting your time...
12:54:56	Parsi	hm
12:55:09	Parsi	yes:-s but it's middle of syncing
12:56:29	linuxstb	But yes, just try to install Rockbox and then make sure you safely eject, and tell us what happens. Don't make any changes to your ipod after that...
12:56:49	Parsi	ok
12:57:09	Parsi	i should use ipodpatcher before copyng .rockbox or after?
12:57:31	Torne	doesn't matter
12:57:45	Torne	as long as you do both before restarting
12:58:50	Parsi	first of all i should install bootloader, true?
12:59:24		Join Dobson [0] (~Rokas@88.118.35.180)
12:59:51	Torne	it doesn't matter. you need to install the bootloader with ipodpatcher, and copy the actual .rockbox directory on there. as long as you do both, it doesn't matter which order.
12:59:53	linuxstb	I would always install Rockbox first, then the bootloader, as the bootloader can't load Rockbox if it isn't there... (that's the order the manual says to do it)
13:00
13:00:14	Dobson	hello, is it normal that when I conect my sansa fuze on rockbox it boot original firmware?
13:00:24	topik	that is normal
13:00:34	Dobson	i mean to wall charger
13:00:36	topik	so far, the fuze has no usb support in rockbox
13:01:18	topik	hmm, the fuze might not be able to notice the difference between pc-usb or a charger. hold down the center button while you connect your usb cable
13:01:24	Parsi	linuxstb: for the firsi first step, what should i do?
13:01:56	linuxstb	Parsi: Are you using Rockbox Utility?
13:01:57	mc2739	Dobson: if you boot Rockbox first and then hold select while plugging in the charger, it should stay in Rockbox
13:02:03	Parsi	linuxstb: yes
13:02:42	Dobson	in which programing language rockbox ir written?
13:03:10	S_a_i_n_t	C
13:03:20	mc2739	Dobson: it is mostly c with some asm
13:03:27	linuxstb	Parsi: Then install the Bootloader and Rockbox. I'm not familiar with Rockbox Utility, so can't tell you exactly where to click...
13:03:36	Dobson	hm
13:03:52	Parsi	linuxstb: how do you install it yourself?
13:03:54	Dobson	i believe if whole thing would be asm it could do more
13:03:54	*	S_a_i_n_t isn't familiar with RbUtil either...sorry.
13:04:27	S_a_i_n_t	Dobson: Start coding then ;)
13:04:33	Dobson	cool holding center button helps, thanks!
13:05:57	Dobson	i want use external battery so external power source support is very important to me
13:06:16	Dobson	becauso battery life is 10h at the best
13:06:22	Dobson	is this normal?
13:06:41	ved	what model?
13:06:44	topik	that's fairly normal i think
13:06:47	Dobson	fuze v1
13:06:55	topik	i don't think i get more on mine
13:07:11	linuxstb	Parsi: Using ipodpatcher for the bootloader and the command-line "unzip" program in Linux for the main build. But Rockbox Utility should be equivalent, and works for many people.
13:07:17	Dobson	well it's v2 surroundings, i changed PCB to v1
13:07:25	ved	sansas v1 have something around 17h top, and it is a very good result afaik
13:07:32	Dobson	hm
13:07:40	Dobson	so external battery then...
13:08:00	Dobson	is it plausible to make rockbox use only external power source?
13:08:20	Dobson	because charging from external battery is fairly efficient
13:08:53		Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
13:10:10		Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
13:10:30		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
13:14:14		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
13:14:26	ved	uhh fuze v1 ~12h top according to measures at wiki/SansaRuntime; e200 can reach 20h tough
13:14:45	ved	14h on OF
13:21:00		Quit Dobson (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
13:30:33	wodz	I have hardware that needs setting some GPIO to enable charging but than it is hardware controlled. which option should I use CHARGING_MONITOR or CHARGING_TARGET. If the letter what should be in charging_algorithm_step() and in charging_step() ?
13:31:36		Join froggymana [0] (~187b533e@giant.haxx.se)
13:35:46	Torne	CHARGING_MONITOR
13:36:06	Torne	and possibly HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE
13:36:29	wodz	ok so where I can hook GPIO toggling?
13:36:42	wodz	to enable charging
13:37:33	Torne	Are you talking about charging from USB, or an AC adapter, or what?
13:37:49	Torne	(and can't you just set it to enabled all the time)?
13:39:24		Join manuel_ [0] (~chatzilla@bl15-149-66.dsl.telepac.pt)
13:39:34		Nick manuel_ is now known as Casainho (~chatzilla@bl15-149-66.dsl.telepac.pt)
13:40:44	wodz	Torne: I am talking about charging from AC. I don't know If I can turn it on permanently. OF does the charging ON/OFF so I will prefere to mimic this behaviour
13:41:02		Nick Horschti is now known as Horscht (~Horscht2@xbmc/user/horscht)
13:41:08	Torne	well, do it when the OF does it, then
13:41:15	Torne	presumably there's some GPIO for whether the AC charger is inserted..
13:41:19	Torne	so do it when you get that event
13:41:56	Torne	I suspect it's probably fine to leave it on all the time, though, but this is hard to prove.
13:42:41	wodz	Torne: Thats the point. in which function should I put charging enable
13:43:32	Torne	well how does the OF do it?
13:43:45	Torne	is it getting an interrupt triggered for this event, or is it just polling?
13:43:56	wodz	just polling
13:44:09	Torne	Well, that sounds crappy, tbh
13:44:23	Torne	I would suggest you experiment with just leaving it on, and see if you can find any reason not to do so :)
13:44:41		Join fred_99 [0] (~fred@195.6.173.23)
13:44:53	Torne	If you are going to need to poll, there's a variety of ways to do it, either using CHARGING_TARGET or just setting up a timer event for it..
13:45:07	Torne	but if you can avoid polling and still have charging work, that would probably be better.
13:45:13	Torne	:)
13:46:21		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
13:46:41	wodz	looking at powermgmt.c and part regarding CHARGING_MONIOTR scheme maybe I should use CHARGING_TARGET with redeclared functions from CHARGING_MONITOR with little tweak?
13:47:40	fred_99	hi, does anybody have an iaudio X5 and could tell me if USB works ?
13:49:11	Llorean	fred_99: Are you having a problem with USB on an X5?
13:49:45	fred_99	Llorean: yes, since quite a long time now
13:50:00	S_a_i_n_t	what is the problem exactly?
13:50:12	Llorean	fred_99: If you've been having it for a long time, it's probably hardware failure.
13:50:12	fred_99	Llorean: never figure out what was wrong because it is dual boot
13:50:29	fred_99	Llorean: I don't think so
13:50:45	fred_99	Llorean: it's working under cowon OS
13:50:56	Llorean	Well, what SVN revision are you using?
13:51:10	fred_99	Llorean: yesterday
13:51:11	S_a_i_n_t	so, you can't transfer via usb on the Rockbox side?
13:51:28	Llorean	And have you tried it with the Rockbox bootloader rather than the third party dual boot bootloader?
13:51:28	fred_99	S_a_i_n_t: yes
13:51:40	fred_99	S_a_i_n_t: yes I can't
13:51:43		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
13:52:16	S_a_i_n_t	Try turning USB HID off (settings/general settings/system/USB HID)
13:52:24	S_a_i_n_t	this is problematic for some users.
13:52:26	fred_99	Llorean: I installed rockbox maybe 3 or 4 years ago, and didn't touch this side
13:52:34	Llorean	fred_99: Try using an up to date bootloader.
13:52:45	Llorean	S_a_i_n_t: I'm pretty sure the X5 doesn't have software USB, so that feature doesn't exist on it.
13:52:50	fred_99	S_a_i_n_t: i'm going to try
13:53:19	gevaerts	The issue is just the connection not being detected I think. IIRC my X5 also does that
13:53:27	*	gevaerts will have to check again
13:53:28	fred_99	Llorean: what I can say it's a couple of years ago it was working
13:53:44	S_a_i_n_t	bootloader was a good call though, if its 4 years old.
13:53:46	fred_99	Llorean: and the x5 web page says 100% OK
13:54:03	fred_99	Llorean: but I used it, before
13:54:07	Llorean	fred_99: The X5 webpage doesn't take into account you using third party bootloaders that may be severely outdated.
13:54:24	fred_99	Llorean: ah OK
13:54:27	Llorean	If you wish to receive support, you should first make sure all parts of your Rockbox install, including the bootloader, are up to date.
13:54:56	Llorean	Though gevaerts sounds like he may know something more about what's going on.
13:55:10	fred_99	Llorean: I don't want to destroy a system working for some years now
13:55:54	gevaerts	not really. I've always assumed a hardware issue, so I haven't looked into it. The OF boot code sees the USB connection, rockbox doesn't. Maybe it looks at the wrong GPIO pins, I have no idea
13:55:54	fred_99	Llorean: I try what said S_a_i_n_t and then if I have I will try with your bootloader
13:56:17	gevaerts	What S_a_i_n_t said is irrelevant on X5
13:56:33	Llorean	gevaerts: I would've expected pixelma to have said something by now if the X5 was showing problems. I got the impression she had one that got pulled out from time to time.
13:56:58	Llorean	Not to mention a general presence of X5 users reporting problems since a lot of them don't have dual boot.
13:57:04	S_a_i_n_t	She uses her X5 regularly
13:57:09	Llorean	Does the X5 have two USB ports like the H300?
13:57:10	S_a_i_n_t	even put an SSD in it :D
13:57:23	fred_99	yep
13:57:24	pixelma	nope, since I have an M5 ;)
13:57:32	Llorean	Does it fail for both of them?
13:57:40	S_a_i_n_t	Ahhh, right. do'h
13:57:48	fred_99	never worked for the side one
13:57:51	S_a_i_n_t	X/M....close :P
13:57:56	*	Llorean would imagine the M5 to have the same problems as the X5 anyway.
13:59:10	fred_99	S_a_i_n_t: so is it OK to try your solution or sure it won't work
13:59:27	fred_99	and is anybody out there have an x5
13:59:37	S_a_i_n_t	Apparently the setting doesn;t exist on that target.
13:59:50	fred_99	does USB works for them
14:00
14:00:15	S_a_i_n_t	I wouldn;t know, as I don;t own one...but HID is the first thing I check if USB connectivity is sucky/broken.
14:00:17	pixelma	USB is quite a bit different though. On the X5 the side mini-B port that you can use without subpack is USB host capable (it has the controller which can't be used by Rockbox though). On the M5 this port is usual USB and works quite nicely for data transfer
14:00:50	pixelma	haven't tried the subpack one in a long time because it's not necessary (although I have a subpack)
14:01:48	*	gevaerts will have a look tonight
14:02:14	fred_99	gevaerts: thanks
14:03:29	fred_99	Llorean: can you tell me howmany chances I have that USB works if I change my bootloader ?
14:04:12	Llorean	If it's not working for gevaerts, I would say it's not likely to be the bootloader. At the same time, an extremely outdated bootloader can cause a wide range of unpredictable behaviour.
14:04:37		Quit saratoga (Disconnected by services)
14:04:37		Quit captainewkl (Disconnected by services)
14:04:37		Quit froggymana (Disconnected by services)
14:04:37		Quit Luca_S (Disconnected by services)
14:04:50	pixelma	fred_99: did you really mean "boot into the OF and then connect USB" (because that's only possible with the inofficial dual bootloader) or did you mean "use the Cowon loader, connect to USB while the player isoff"
14:05:09	gevaerts	In my case it's the latter
14:05:40	Llorean	pixelma: He said he had the dual boot bootloader.
14:05:47	pixelma	because the latter is always there even with the official bootloader (just for clearing some things up)
14:06:09	pixelma	Llorean: I just read that he dual boots but the latter can look like it is
14:06:27	fred_99	pixelma: I know that I can boot under cowon OS when I push rec buttun at the same time with on one
14:06:27	pixelma	it's just the loader though not the full firmware
14:07:44	fred_99	pixelma: sorry, I try to understand ..... language problème .... . brain too ..... but what does that mean
14:08:07	pixelma	ok, then it is the unofficial dual boot
14:08:48	fred_99	unofficial means rockbox ?
14:09:28		Quit pamaury (Quit: Quitte)
14:09:49	fred_99	I installed rockbox in august 2006
14:10:05	fred_99	and never touch to the loader since that time
14:10:23		Join theseven [0] (~50993c69@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
14:11:22	fred_99	just copy a new .rockbox in the / for updates
14:12:33	fred_99	is it possible to boot cowon OS with the new bootloader, in the case where USB won't work ?
14:13:22		Join froggymana [0] (~187b533e@giant.haxx.se)
14:13:23		Quit froggymana (Client Quit)
14:13:27	pixelma	no, unofficial means that with the Rockbox bootloader you wouldn't be able to boot the Cowon firmware. This dual boot is only possible with a bootloader from somewhere else - it's not about Rockbox itself just the bootloader. You probably installed the bootloader once.
14:13:30		Join froggymana [0] (~187b533e@giant.haxx.se)
14:14:49	fred_99	so, it's safer to wait gevaerts: test before changing boot loader
14:16:14	fred_99	when I plug I have the USB drawing on the LCD, can you tell me in which .c it is located so I can trace something
14:17:15	pixelma	Are you using the subpack or not?
14:17:54	fred_99	subpack ?
14:18:20		Join Schmogel [0] (~Miranda@p3EE21DEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
14:19:10	pixelma	do you connect at the side or at the bottom of the player (which needs the extra connector thing, called subpack)
14:19:45	fred_99	pixelma: at the bottom
14:20:41	fred_99	so yes, with the subpack
14:20:58	fred_99	the side USB never worked for what I know
14:28:38		Quit DV_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
14:29:21	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
14:32:53		Quit Parsi (Quit: Leaving.)
14:37:01	fred_99	S_a_i_n_t: to be accurate, nothing happens in my messages.log file when I plug it, not even an error message.
14:38:18		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.244)
14:38:24		Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan)
14:40:31		Quit tchan (Client Quit)
14:40:57	ranmachan	Hmm, does anyone have that one? http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/04/sandisks-sansa-base-station-dock-with-remote-for-sansa-players/
14:41:27	ranmachan	It's interesting because of the remote control, so I guess there must be some way to communicate with the player via the docking connector.
14:43:04		Join aniceberg [0] (~aniceberg@h-45-67.A163.priv.bahnhof.se)
14:44:04		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
14:45:34		Join evilnick_B [0] (~0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick)
14:47:58		Quit fred_99 (Quit: Ex-Chat)
14:49:09		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
14:51:28		Join fred_99 [0] (~fred@195.6.173.23)
14:52:59		Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0EF2E9.dip.t-dialin.net)
14:53:20		Nick froggymana is now known as froggyman (~187b533e@giant.haxx.se)
14:55:05		Quit froggyman (Quit: CGI:IRC)
14:58:16		Quit aniceberg (Quit: Leaving)
15:00
15:01:01		Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.1)
15:01:18		Quit sevv (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
15:01:34		Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving)
15:06:10		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
15:07:50		Join adnyxo [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
15:09:08		Quit kkurbjun (Changing host)
15:09:09		Join kkurbjun [0] (~kkurbjun@rockbox/developer/kkurbjun)
15:09:35		Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk)
15:09:48		Quit stripwax (Client Quit)
15:10:06		Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
15:10:06		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
15:11:29		Join Farthen [0] (~chatzilla@e179239195.adsl.alicedsl.de)
15:15:50		Quit rajendrau (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208])
15:18:42		Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan)
15:19:24		Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
15:22:06		Join captainkewllll [0] (~2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-hrwwipbsramgosbn)
15:36:59		Join Dobson [0] (~Rokas@88.118.35.180)
15:39:03		Quit mischa (Remote host closed the connection)
15:39:53		Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de)
15:42:56		Join saratoga [0] (~9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-zxorjriprpqjfbnl)
15:43:34		Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
15:47:04		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com)
15:49:44		Part LinusN
15:52:52		Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14)
15:54:00		Quit PaulJam (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
16:00
16:02:17		Quit perfectdrug (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
16:02:20		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
16:03:43		Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-069-073.nc.res.rr.com)
16:08:02		Quit gill0r (Remote host closed the connection)
16:13:31	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25248): lcd-ssd1303 (all Clips) : move model specific code in their own files
16:25:39		Quit funman (Quit: free(random());)
16:26:26		Quit xiainx (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
16:27:13	CIA-5	New commit by Buschel (r25249): Fix FS #11127. r25165 introduced a bug to the aac codec, which lead to not resetting the time position.
16:27:48		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
16:29:25	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
16:34:41		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.245)
16:35:04		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
16:39:42		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
16:41:55		Quit parafin (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish)
16:41:57		Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in)
16:42:50		Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.2)
16:42:50		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
16:44:11		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.243)
16:45:56		Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250)
16:46:07		Quit Dobson (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
16:48:14		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
16:50:39		Quit robin0800 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
16:54:01		Quit petur (Quit: going to look for some beer)
16:54:10		Join PaulJam [0] (~Paule@p54BEBD83.dip.t-dialin.net)
16:54:43		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
16:59:54		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
17:00
17:00:47		Join Dobson [0] (~Rokas@88.118.35.180)
17:01:16		Join Tomis2 [0] (~Tomis@70.134.98.216)
17:02:40		Quit Tomis (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
17:02:41		Nick Tomis2 is now known as Tomis (~Tomis@70.134.98.216)
17:05:02		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
17:08:08		Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes)
17:09:39		Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
17:10:20		Join Lss [0] (~Lss@cm48.omega219.maxonline.com.sg)
17:19:00		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@cpc3-brig8-0-0-cust436.brig.cable.ntl.com)
17:21:54		Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection)
17:25:19		Quit kkurbjun (Quit: Leaving.)
17:25:34		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
17:27:02		Quit Casainho (Remote host closed the connection)
17:31:17		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
17:32:05		Join FOAD_ [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
17:33:58		Quit theseven (Disconnected by services)
17:34:11		Join The_Seven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
17:34:21		Nick The_Seven is now known as TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
17:36:07		Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
17:36:08		Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
17:40:27		Join freddyb [0] (~d808edc6@giant.haxx.se)
17:45:27		Quit freddyb (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout))
17:49:53		Join Luca_S [0] (~5d3fc54b@giant.haxx.se)
17:50:06		Quit mt (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
18:00
18:00:12		Quit Luca_S (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF))
18:08:36		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
18:09:20		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.246)
18:10:12	Mode	"#rockbox +o TheSeven" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
18:10:17	Topic	"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines \| Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community \| Rockbox has been accepted for GSoC 2010! Potential students see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010" by TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
18:10:25	Mode	"#rockbox -o TheSeven" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
18:11:34	saratoga	FWIW I think the iphone is an acceptable RAAA target, even if it means it'd have to be jailbroken
18:12:26	r0b-	RAAA?
18:12:36	saratoga	its not like having to hack devices has ever stopped us before, and in some ways the software platform is a good choice port rockbox to due to being very unix-y and having very mature tools
18:18:42		Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
18:19:16	funman	FlynDice: there are good chances that the as3525v2 come with an as3543 codec, i'm trying to decipher the linux code to see which bits have changed since the as3514
18:20:26	FlynDice	That's what I've been thinking too but none of the hints from the linux patch seem to help...
18:21:06	funman	do you understand what as3543_enum & as3543_snd_controls mean? I think they define bit positions for MUTE / volume
18:22:31	funman	SOC_DOUBLE_R_TLV("Master Volume", AFE_OUT_L, AFE_OUT_R, 0, 0x1F, 0, as3543_volume_tlv), << sounds like AFE_OUT_L(==HPH_OUT_L) volume goes from 0 to 0x1f, same for HPH_OUT_R
18:24:36	FlynDice	I saw them but haven't quite dug into them yet, I tried the 1<<5 on DAC_L and tried (AFE_DAC_IF, 0x80, 0x0) with no luck, I was looking at the (AFE_PLL, 0x7, 3 << 2, val) line trying to figure out sub-registers last night
18:24:56	FlynDice	back in a few
18:26:27		Join ObsidianX [0] (~ObsidianX@adsl-76-254-45-102.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
18:26:52		Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
18:28:00		Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend)
18:29:28	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
18:30:03		Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.79.141.37)
18:31:43	funman	FlynDice: gentleman ....
18:32:13		Join freddyb [0] (~fred@pool-68-238-8-141.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net)
18:32:28		Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@p57B4BA0E.dip.t-dialin.net)
18:32:35	Dobson	do you guys know how long it takes rockbox fully support sansa clip+
18:32:44	Torne	We don't give estimate
18:32:59	Torne	It takes as long as it takes, we are all doing this for fun
18:33:09	Dobson	week, month, year?
18:33:24	Torne	one or more of those things, yes
18:33:32	funman	FlynDice: http://pastie.org/877463 , files work, no FM yet
18:33:44	linuxstb	saratoga: I don't think we should care about which specific device(s) are the first targets for RaaA - I would like at least the initial focus to be on Rockbox, and making the code work as a portable application, not solving the problems of one particular embedded OS.
18:33:48	Dobson	on what based clip+? ARM?
18:33:55	Torne	yes
18:34:42	Dobson	hm, sadly i only have a little bit of knowlegde in AVR programing
18:35:49	Dobson	so is there capability in rockbox to power player only from external power supply without battery?
18:36:02	Torne	not sure what you mean
18:36:06	Torne	that sounds like a hardware thing..
18:36:24	funman	is sound on Clip+ worth an email?
18:36:32	Dobson	?
18:36:47	gevaerts	funman: of course
18:37:13	Torne	Dobson: do you mean "will the player work without a battery"?
18:37:18		Join m3dlg [0] (~m3dlg@212.183.140.102)
18:37:22	Torne	or what?
18:37:24	Dobson	mhm
18:37:27		Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl)
18:37:31	Torne	well, that's nothing to do with rockbox
18:37:35	Torne	if the hardware works that way then it works
18:37:38	Torne	otherwise not
18:37:59	Torne	Most players should probably work without the battery, though; the usual charging arrangement allows for it
18:38:56	Dobson	i would be nice to see feature in rockbox in settings to "enable power from external power source"
18:39:12	Torne	er, what would that do?
18:40:04	Dobson	well battery life on sansa fuze is quite bad, so i would place external big battery under the player
18:40:27	Torne	if you connect a power source that supplies the right voltage to the AC/USB/whatever input, then it will power the player
18:40:32	Torne	there's no settings and no software involved..
18:40:38	freddyb	I'm giving up on my keyboard patch for scrollwheel targets (FS #10763). Should I get someone to close it or just leave it?
18:40:44	Dobson	while charging battery from another battery is not afficiant at all
18:40:46	Torne	freddyb: giving up?
18:41:00	Torne	Dobson: what?
18:41:04	freddyb	Yea, I don't think anyone is interested
18:41:19	Torne	freddyb: I'm interested..
18:41:21	Torne	it takes time
18:41:31	Torne	there's no point in closing things that are reasonable, anyway
18:41:38	Torne	even if you lose interest, someone else might want it
18:41:52	Torne	it's a working patch, no? there's no reason to write it off
18:42:02	Dobson	i mean if there is no feature to "do not charge battery, but power device" external battery charges internal battery, and in the process a lot of energy
18:42:15	Torne	That's not how charging works
18:42:23	Torne	at least, not on most devices. i don't know about the fuze specifically
18:42:35	Torne	But generally if the internal battery is full that's it
18:42:41	freddyb	Yes, it works. I use it pretty often because I like the search on the database.
18:42:41	Torne	the external one will just be providing power.
18:42:47	Dobson	yea
18:42:55	Dobson	but if internal is not full
18:43:03	Dobson	external power source would charge internal
18:43:07	Torne	Dobson: that's, agai, a hardware feature
18:43:18	Torne	Most players do not have the facility to not charge their batteries.
18:43:20	Dobson	i don't think so
18:43:25	Torne	Then you think wrong.
18:43:29	Torne	Most targets cannot be told not to charge.
18:43:30		Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser)
18:43:35	Torne	I don't know about the fuze specifically.
18:43:41	Dobson	procesor do not control battery charging?
18:43:49	Torne	No, not usually.
18:43:53	Torne	Only some players
18:44:01	Torne	Most of them have a hardware lipoly charger IC
18:44:08	Torne	and we just get the status read from that.
18:44:24	Torne	(charging/not, external power or not)
18:44:29		Join fml [0] (~5dd2d755@giant.haxx.se)
18:44:41	Dobson	so procesor only knows battery level?\
18:44:57	Dobson	it wont cut charging?
18:45:15	Torne	It only even knows the battery level because it's attaached to an ADC on most platforms
18:45:31	Dobson	hm
18:45:31	Torne	the charge controller for most of the targets gives the processor little or no informatoin at all
18:45:32	Dobson	i get it
18:45:34	Torne	not even the battery level
18:45:37	fml	Hello. I plan to make screenshots in the manual non-floating. Any objections? I think we don't indent them to be floating since the positioning is redefined to be 'H' (='Here!')
18:45:54	Torne	having said that, the fuzev1 config has CHARGING_TARGET which means it might be controlled.
18:46:01		Quit polobricolo (Disconnected by services)
18:47:13	Torne	i can't see any code that would od that, though, it just has pretty basic readouts afaics.
18:47:19	Torne	You'd have to ask someone who knows fuze better, sorry
18:47:21	freddyb	Dobson: is your battery bad? When I was testing recording I got ~11 hours on battery on a Fuze V1.
18:47:24	Torne	but generally no, what you're asking is not possible
18:47:36	Torne	and it really isn't that much of a problem to charge the internal battery
18:47:45	Torne	it is, technically, less efficient, but not so much you'd care too much
18:49:42	Torne	freddyb: don't assume that just because nobody has done anything about it yet that nobody cares, anyway. Changing that kind of thing can take a long time to get interest
18:50:03	r0b-	ok Llorean
18:50:04	Torne	freddyb: bugfixes, or obvious things like new plugins, are much easier to just go ahead and commit
18:50:25	Torne	freddyb: it;'s on my list of things to experiment with, but that's quite a long list and i have other things to do than Rockbox as well )
18:51:10	freddyb	Torne: alright, if you get to it someday contact me I get it resynced.
18:51:24		Join Dobson_ [0] (~Rokas@88.118.35.180)
18:51:26		Quit Dobson (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
18:51:26	Dobson_	well on fuze battery level indicating is not linear at all, do running "battery bench" helps to correct it?
18:57:18		Quit AlexP_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
18:57:39		Join AlexP [0] (~ap@rockbox/staff/AlexP)
18:58:52		Quit freddyb (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
19:00
19:00:56	fred_99	bye
19:01:08		Quit fred_99 (Quit: Ex-Chat)
19:01:26	*	FlynDice points in funman's general direction and mutters something about genious and supernatural powers again....
19:01:31	Torne	Dobson_: possibly, but we'd need lots of people's results really, to hav confdence that the new discharge curve is right
19:01:35	FlynDice	way to go!
19:01:47	Torne	Dobson_: i dunno how confident we are about the current one :)
19:02:04	topik	great job funman
19:02:44	Dobson_	curent one drops to fast from 98 to 88 percent
19:03:00	Dobson_	and instantly drops from about 40-30 to 0
19:03:43		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
19:03:51	Torne	yes but an old/tired battery hmbehaves lije that anyway compared to a new one
19:04:14	Torne	so multiple people need to do it
19:04:15	funman	i would clean up the patch, but i can't stop listening to the Clip+ :)
19:04:20	Dobson_	well yes, but there should't be that big drop
19:05:02	Dobson_	yea clip+ sound is amazing amazing thing
19:05:27	Dobson_	espacialy with good pair of headphones
19:06:08	Battousai	ooh
19:06:42	Torne	Dobson_: but that big drop is the difference between a new battery and an old one, is my point
19:07:02		Quit m3dlg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
19:07:35		Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0EF2E9.dip.t-dialin.net)
19:07:40	Dobson_	hm, my battery is new
19:07:46		Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s)
19:07:50		Quit n1s (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
19:08:01	Torne	right, i'm not z
19:08:04	Torne	er
19:08:14	Dobson_	i believe it should midle between new and old one batteryes
19:08:19	Torne	saying yours is old, but that's why multiple results are better
19:08:26	topik	nice mail funman :). and having sound on a music player is a nice extra
19:08:31		Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
19:09:26		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
19:10:55		Quit fml (Quit: CGI:IRC)
19:11:12		Join kramer3d [0] (~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d)
19:11:50	saratoga	Torne: the fuze actually has a software controlled charger, so you can disable it if you want
19:12:32	Torne	saratoga: we don't have a setti for ac tho do we..
19:12:33	Dobson_	but thats still not realised on rockbox, i believe
19:12:56		Join jd [0] (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
19:12:57		Quit jd (Changing host)
19:12:57		Join jd [0] (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon)
19:13:29	Dobson_	how much attention addressed for sound quality on rockbox is it a number 1 thing?
19:13:49	Torne	to the limits of the hardware, yes
19:14:20		Join Luca_S [0] (~57025514@giant.haxx.se)
19:14:30	Torne	but that's not particularly hard..
19:14:55	Dobson_	rockbox is just amazing thing, buyng player without rockbox now is just useless
19:15:00	Torne	write accurate decodes, set up hardware right, and try not to lose too much precision in dsp
19:15:34	Torne	most differences in quality are going to come from the hardware, not rockbox vs of
19:15:43	Dobson_	yea i know
19:15:52	Dobson_	but still it makes difference
19:16:14	saratoga	Torne: no its a compile time option
19:16:28	Torne	for basic playba k, probably not much :)
19:16:40	Luca_S	amazing work, funman! you guys would be able to play music even on my toaster, given enough time :D
19:17:32	Dobson_	wait is that means clip+ already has playback?
19:18:09	Torne	as of just now, yes :)
19:18:19		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
19:18:46	saratoga	linuxstb: I was referring to the "iphone is not ideal" remark when a student asked about RAAA for it yesterday
19:21:28		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.242)
19:22:20		Join Dobson [0] (~Rokas@88.118.35.180)
19:22:42	saratoga	do we have an actual rockbox facebook page or jsut a bunch of unofficial ones?
19:22:56	linuxstb	saratoga: Yes, I know. All I'm saying is that I think we should steer discussions with students away from specific devices, and on to the general issues of Rockbox running as an application. So students know the project is a Rockbox project, and not a project developing for one specific device.
19:25:24		Quit Dobson_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
19:34:36	AlexP	funman: félicitations :)
19:35:05		Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky)
19:37:24		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
19:38:12		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
19:42:32	saratoga	gevaerts: (taking this from community) I suggested the google hosted option mostly because i don't know if we have anyone able to setup and maintain something like that
19:42:53	AlexP	I'm sure we do
19:43:15	AlexP	This is referring to a Rockbox blog incidentally
19:44:24	gevaerts	The idea would be to have a blog that can be posted to by multiple people I guess?
19:44:32	saratoga	yes
19:44:32	AlexP	Committers I'd say
19:45:23	saratoga	other projects use them for things like "whats being worked on" posts, release announcements, and GSOC announcements
19:45:24	gevaerts	If we want to avoid administrative overhead, I'd really like to see it authenticate against either the forum or the svn user list
19:45:54	AlexP	Yes, that'd be nice
19:45:54	saratoga	if we use the google service i think we can set it up so any of us can add new people, which should be good enough
19:46:09	saratoga	certainly no harder then getting a wiki account
19:46:28		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
19:47:05	saratoga	but if someone wants to setup something, thats fine too, but I get the impression teh swedes are rather busy and i'm not sure who else can do that
19:48:18	gevaerts	I'd say either the Swedes or scorche
19:51:46		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
19:51:47	pixelma	fml: what exactly do you mean by "non-floating screenshots"?
19:53:21		Join Curtman [0] (~curt@S010600248c269238.wp.shawcable.net)
19:53:40	ranmachan	ascodec rewrite using interrupts: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11130
19:54:59	Bagder	I think we could rather easily fix for example a wordpress on the rockbox site if we want a blog, but having a united auth system might be a bit of work
19:55:32	Bagder	unified might be a better word
19:56:09		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
19:56:20	saratoga	i don't think unified is a problem as long as one of us can add new people
19:56:45		Join DerPapst [0] (~DerPapst@p4FE8F2A8.dip.t-dialin.net)
19:56:51	saratoga	err don't think its a requirement
19:57:13	saratoga	lets just setup something, link (or better yet integrate into) the front page, and go from there
19:57:29	Bagder	I agree
19:57:34	funman	ranmachan: cool
19:57:49	gevaerts	Yes, we don't need integration, and it also has some downsides anyway
19:58:01	gevaerts	Can wordpress do multiple users for one blog?
19:58:22	Bagder	yes
19:58:31	Bagder	it has users and roles for users etc
19:58:47	gevaerts	sounds good then
19:58:53	saratoga	is word press more awesome then the google one?
19:59:24	Bagder	well, we already run wordpress on the rockbox site so I figure just creating a new one for rockbox shouldn't be too much work
19:59:35	funman	ranmachan: i renamed the file with .patch extension so the details appear on the task
19:59:59	*	gevaerts has this instinctive and probably irrational fear of outsourcing these things
20:00
20:00:04	Bagder	and zagor started his blog on the same server just a short while ago so it should be fresh in his mind
20:00:14	saratoga	ah ok that makes sense
20:00:24	gevaerts	ah, is that your plan? ;)
20:00:42		Join Parsi [0] (~Maysam@89.165.89.60)
20:00:58	Bagder	yeps, I have assigned the project to a lucky winner!
20:01:10	gevaerts	You're the boss anyway!
20:01:17	saratoga	awesome
20:01:30	saratoga	also i'm not applied to be a gsoc mentor
20:01:32	saratoga	now
20:01:35	saratoga	now applied!
20:01:48	Bagder	I just accepted a few requests
20:02:04		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
20:08:59	S_a_i_n_t	Anyone used the "dictionary 2" plugin before?
20:09:57	S_a_i_n_t	I'm wanting to know where I need to put the .desc file to make the main menu/dictionary browser actually work.
20:13:20	S_a_i_n_t	duh..... S_a_i_n_t figures it out. :/
20:16:06		Join planetbeing [0] (~planetbei@32.162.232.80)
20:17:51		Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos)
20:18:10		Quit kramer3d (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
20:19:07		Join RoBzz [0] (~RoBz@irc.n00b.su)
20:19:17	ranmachan	funman: Ok, next time I'll name it .patch :)
20:19:33	ranmachan	I'm cleaning up the second patch right now...
20:21:11	ranmachan	It's slightly confusing that there are two ascodec-target.h, one in arm/ and one in arm/as3525/.
20:21:38	ranmachan	If the one in arm is only used for some other soc, shouldn't that also be in a subdirectory?
20:22:08	funman	it's used by 2 different socs afaik
20:22:17	funman	so as3525 includes its specific version first
20:23:18	ranmachan	For the second patch I had to change arm/powermgmt-ascodec.c because it would write to IRQ_ENRD0 behind my back.
20:23:28	funman	philips sa9200 / e200v1/c200v1
20:23:30		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@genkt-057-206.t-mobile.co.uk)
20:23:51		Quit Dobson (Quit: Leaving)
20:23:58	ranmachan	I replaced the writes with ascodec_(dis\|en)able_endofch_irq()
20:24:12	ranmachan	And in arm/ascodec-target.h those are just the writes.
20:24:48	ranmachan	In arm/as3525/ascodec-target.h it's a reading a shadow variable for the register and anding/bitclearing the bit in question.
20:26:39		Quit PaulJam (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
20:27:50		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
20:29:16	funman	if you see bertrik point him to the tasks, as he wrote those bits
20:29:22	Parsi	is it possible to use anti-alias font?
20:29:30	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
20:30:59		Join planetbeing_ [0] (~planetbei@74.85.239.23)
20:31:18		Quit funman (Quit: free(random());)
20:32:58		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
20:33:10		Join xiainx [0] (~xiainx@modemcable195.238-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
20:34:50	ranmachan	Ah, damn, I forgot to fill in the fields. Can I edit that somehow? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11131
20:38:14		Quit flydutch (Quit: /* empty */)
20:39:35	TheSeven	ranmachan: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11131/edit in case it permits that for you
20:39:41		Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
20:39:48	TheSeven	if not, just tell me what to put in there ;-)
20:40:44		Join froggyman [0] (~sopgenort@pool-72-69-76-103.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net)
20:42:32		Quit xiainx (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
20:43:11	linuxstb	TheSeven: Do you know anything about the "itunes doesn't recognise the ipod after Rockbox installation" nano2g issue? Someone was here this morning who had that problem.
20:43:29	TheSeven	with the rockbox bootloader?
20:43:35	linuxstb	Yes.
20:43:38	ranmachan	TheSeven: Type: patches, Category: OS/Drivers, Player: Sansa C200
20:43:42	TheSeven	afaik itunes will just try to restore anything that has an altered firmware partition
20:43:54	Parsi	linuxstb: i had that problem today:P
20:44:03	ranmachan	For both http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11130 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11131 (^^; /me needs to get some sleep
20:44:10	linuxstb	TheSeven: Rockbox and the OF seemed to work fine, just itunes didn't recognise it.
20:44:19	linuxstb	Parsi: Yes, I'm talking about you ;)
20:44:37	Parsi	oh
20:44:38	Parsi	hehe
20:44:46	TheSeven	ranmachan: done
20:44:55	ranmachan	Thanks
20:45:18	TheSeven	from what i heard from itunes users, this is just to be expected with any kind of firmware mode
20:45:20	TheSeven	mod*
20:46:42	Farthen	itunes checks the version of the OF, recognizes that something is wrong and wants to restore it
20:47:08	linuxstb	Farthen: That's not the same issue then. This was itunes not recognising the ipod.
20:47:52	linuxstb	Maybe I'm confusing two different issues...
20:47:54	Farthen	as so doing nothing at all as if the ipod wasn't plugged in?
20:48:14		Join elinenbe [0] (~d1c4c008@giant.haxx.se)
20:48:22	linuxstb	It was Parsi's ipod. Parsi?
20:48:27	Parsi	yes
20:48:31	elinenbe	funman's not here? meh.
20:48:46	elinenbe	Just wanted to give him congrats on the Cipl+
20:48:53	linuxstb	Parsi: Can you answer Farthen's question?
20:49:02	Farthen	does itunes want to restore it or doesn't it recognize at all?
20:49:05	elinenbe	just wanted to give some congrats to funman on the Clip+
20:49:16	Parsi	linuxstb: what is his question?
20:49:26	elinenbe	I think FlynDice deserves some credit too!
20:49:45	Farthen	Parsi: see two lines above you message...
20:49:53	Farthen	s/you/your
20:51:06	linuxstb	Farthen: I believe Parsi's ipod is working now though. He restored it and then (I think) installed rockbox again.
20:51:09	Parsi	hang on
20:54:44		Quit elinenbe (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout))
20:54:52	Parsi	it was my issue, after charging ipod, it was rebooting continuously and if put it in disk mod, iTunes crashed after plugging ipod
20:55:18	Parsi	then someone offered installing rockbox as alternative FW
20:56:13	Parsi	after installing RB itunes couldn't detect ipod again,
20:56:35	Parsi	it forced me to copy original FW with linux
20:56:43	Parsi	it solved my problem
20:57:03	Parsi	i've working RB beside OFW now:)
20:57:09	Farthen	ok
20:57:11	Parsi	thanks to S_a_i_n_t and linuxstb
20:57:39		Join FOAD_ [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
20:58:41		Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
21:00
21:00:08		Part watto
21:00:47	Parsi	is there anti aliasing fonts for rockbox(ipod nano)
21:00:47		Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
21:00:47		Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
21:00:50	Parsi	?
21:00:58	AlexP	No
21:01:19	AlexP	There is a patch somewhere, no idea what state it is in
21:01:29	AlexP	(somewhere on flyspray)
21:01:45	TheSeven	linuxstb: this looks just like a borked OFW then.
21:02:35	pixelma	gevaerts: for what it's worth - I have no problem accessing my M% when it is connected through the subpack USB in Rockbox. The buils is r25212 and I'm currently on XP
21:02:48	pixelma	the M5 I mean ;
21:03:01	pixelma	smiley fail too
21:03:15	Parsi	AlexP: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8961?string=font
21:03:23	gevaerts	oh, right. The x5...
21:05:57		Quit robin0800 (Remote host closed the connection)
21:07:59	*	gevaerts goes subpack-hunting
21:15:25	DEBUG	EOF from server (Connection reset by peer) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545)
21:15:25	***	Cleanup
21:15:25	***	Cleanup
21:15:25	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:15:25	***	Exit
21:15:28	***	Started Dancer V4.16
21:15:28	***	Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667
21:15:28	***	Logfile for #rockbox started
21:15:29	Mode	"logbot :+i" by logbot
21:15:29	Ctcp	Version from frigg!~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg
21:15:30	***	Server message 501: 'logbot :Unknown MODE flag'
21:15:30		Join logbot [0] (~rockbox@giant.haxx.se)
21:15:30		Join topik [0] (awesome@wtf.grmpf.org)
21:15:30		Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@66.112.249.238)
21:15:30		Join Torne [0] (torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
21:15:30		Join dmb [0] (~dmb@unaffiliated/dmb)
21:15:30		Join YPSY [0] (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de)
21:15:30		Join ichthys [0] (~jaaron@128.224.252.2)
21:15:30		Join pixelma [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
21:15:30		Join amiconn [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
21:15:30		Join Darkknight512 [0] (~Darkknigh@CPE00212968356c-CM00186845dd46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
21:15:30		Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
21:15:30		Join FOAD [0] (~dok@dinah.blub.net)
21:15:30		Join froggyman [0] (~sopgenort@pool-72-69-76-103.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net)
21:15:30		Join planetbeing_ [0] (~planetbei@74.85.239.23)
21:15:30		Join RoBzz [0] (~RoBz@irc.n00b.su)
21:15:30		Join moos [0] (moos@rockbox/staff/moos)
21:15:30		Join planetbeing [0] (~planetbei@32.162.232.80)
21:15:30		Join Parsi [0] (~Maysam@89.165.89.60)
21:15:30		Join DerPapst [0] (~DerPapst@p4FE8F2A8.dip.t-dialin.net)
21:15:30		Join Curtman [0] (~curt@S010600248c269238.wp.shawcable.net)
21:15:30		Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky)
21:15:30		Join Luca_S [0] (~57025514@giant.haxx.se)
21:15:30		Join jd [0] (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon)
21:15:30		Join perfectdrug [0] (~marko@p5B0EF2E9.dip.t-dialin.net)
21:15:30		Join AlexP [0] (~ap@rockbox/staff/AlexP)
21:15:30		Join anewuser [0] (anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser)
21:15:30		Join bmbl [0] (~Miranda@unaffiliated/bmbl)
21:15:30		Join CGL [0] (~CGL@190.79.141.37)
21:15:30		Join MagusG [0] (magusg@c-76-97-148-35.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
21:15:30		Join ObsidianX [0] (~ObsidianX@adsl-76-254-45-102.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join TheSeven [0] (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
21:15:30		Join Lss [0] (~Lss@cm48.omega219.maxonline.com.sg)
21:15:30		Join komputes [0] (~komputes@ubuntu/member/komputes)
21:15:30		Join Tomis [0] (~Tomis@70.134.98.216)
21:15:30		Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250)
21:15:30		Join parafin [0] (parafin@paraf.in)
21:15:30		Join jgarvey [0] (~jgarvey@cpe-065-190-069-073.nc.res.rr.com)
21:15:30		Join toffe82 [0] (~chatzilla@12.169.218.14)
21:15:30		Join saratoga [0] (~9803c6dd@gateway/web/freenode/x-zxorjriprpqjfbnl)
21:15:30		Join panni_ [0] (hannes@ip-95-222-52-93.unitymediagroup.de)
21:15:30		Join captainkewllll [0] (~2669ecc2@gateway/web/freenode/x-hrwwipbsramgosbn)
21:15:30		Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan)
21:15:30		Join Farthen [0] (~chatzilla@e179239195.adsl.alicedsl.de)
21:15:30		Join adnyxo [0] (~aaron@adsl-065-013-002-216.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)
21:15:30		Join evilnick_B [0] (~0c140464@rockbox/staff/evilnick)
21:15:30		Join Schmogel [0] (~Miranda@p3EE21DEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
21:15:30		Join JohannesSM64 [0] (~johannes@cm-84.215.116.196.getinternet.no)
21:15:30		Join leavittx [0] (~leavittx@89.221.199.187)
21:15:30		Join @ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.)
21:15:30		Join doomcup [0] (~doomcup@c-24-22-223-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
21:15:30		Join Tuplis [0] (~jani@adsl-77-109-221-158.kymp.net)
21:15:30		Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@rockbox/developer/lostlogic)
21:15:30		Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com)
21:15:30		Join killan [0] (~nnscript@c-38fd70d5.06-397-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
21:15:30		Join preglow [0] (thomj@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no)
21:15:30		Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap)
21:15:30		Join xavieran [0] (~xavieran@ppp118-209-22-76.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net)
21:15:30		Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739)
21:15:30		Join grndslm [0] (~grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net)
21:15:30		Join niekie [0] (~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie)
21:15:30		Join kadoban [0] (~mud@cpe-67-247-80-129.rochester.res.rr.com)
21:15:30		Join pjm0616 [0] (~user@61.250.113.98)
21:15:30		Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (~bjohnson@2002:1876:a27b:0:227:13ff:fe65:1262)
21:15:30		Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb)
21:15:30		Join ThomasAH [0] (~thomas@aktaia.intevation.org)
21:15:30		Join tmzt [0] (~tmzt@adsl-76-244-157-52.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join Topy44 [0] (~topy@my.fastsh.it)
21:15:30		Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123)
21:15:30		Join tmzt_ [0] (~ircuser@99-157-224-139.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join CIA-5 [0] (cia@208.69.182.149)
21:15:30		Join linuxguy3 [0] (~timj@adsl-75-57-164-65.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join Kohlrabi [0] (~Kohlrabi@frustum.nosebud.de)
21:15:30		Join jobec [0] (paulus@viherharakka.cs.tut.fi)
21:15:30		Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
21:15:30		Join feisar_ [0] (jljhook@irkki.fi)
21:15:30		Join MuscleNerd [0] (eric@adsl-75-27-189-151.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
21:15:30		Join blithe [0] (~blithe@72.14.176.144)
21:15:30		Join fxb__ [0] (~felixbrun@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
21:15:30		Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il)
21:15:30		Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
21:15:30		Join merbzt [0] (~benlar@193.13.246.198)
21:15:30		Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick)
21:15:30		Join Connor1 [0] (Connor@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net)
21:15:30		Join ranmachan [0] (ranma@mx.tdiedrich.de)
21:15:30		Join simabeis [0] (~simabeis@lobmenschen.de)
21:15:30		Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@90-224-30-68-no112.tbcn.telia.com)
21:15:30		Join Llorean [0] (~DarkkOne@rockbox/user/Llorean)
21:15:30		Join GHF [0] (~meow@unaffiliated/ghf)
21:15:30		Join Adubb [0] (~aldubuc@67.201.160.144)
21:15:30		Join FlynDice [0] (~FlynDice@c-24-19-225-90.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
21:15:30		Join bzed [0] (~bzed@devel.recluse.de)
21:15:30		Join Kitar\|st [0] (Kitr88@BSN-182-15-223.dial-up.dsl.siol.net)
21:15:30		Join elcan [0] (user36@pr0.us)
21:15:30		Join SirFunk [0] (~Sir@97-92-38-108.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com)
21:15:30		Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher)
21:15:30		Join Strife89 [0] (~michael@adsl-220-102-96.mcn.bellsouth.net)
21:15:30		Join rvvs89 [0] (robotnik@pdpc/supporter/base/rvvs89)
21:15:30		Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019)
21:15:30		Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca)
21:15:30		Join Utchybann [0] (~Utchy@rps6752.ovh.net)
21:15:30		Join Hadaka [0] (~naked@naked.iki.fi)
21:15:30		Join jvd [0] (~syscrash@poipu/developer/syscrash)
21:15:30		Join beta2k [0] (1000@d24-36-68-97.home1.cgocable.net)
21:15:30		Join Unhelpful [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful)
21:15:30		Join maraz_ [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi)
21:15:30		Join jfc^2 [0] (~john@dpc6682208002.direcpc.com)
21:15:30		Join lyngaas [0] (~staale@19.81-167-149.customer.lyse.net)
21:15:30		Join nimak [0] (~nima@adsl-75-45-227-30.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join ved [0] (ved@ddsbox.co.cc)
21:15:30		Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-81-175.nyc.res.rr.com)
21:15:30		Join togetic [0] (~togetic@unaffiliated/ibuffy)
21:15:30		Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@gssn-5f757771.pool.mediaWays.net)
21:15:30		Join Rob2223 [0] (~Miranda@p4FDCB7C3.dip.t-dialin.net)
21:15:30		Join tipi^ [0] (~pihlstro@lehtori.cc.tut.fi)
21:15:30		Join r0b- [0] (~nnscript@adsl-76-236-178-147.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin)
21:15:30		Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@82-170-197-160.ip.telfort.nl)
21:15:30		Join B4gder [0] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
21:15:30		Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org)
21:15:30		Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com)
21:15:30		Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother)
21:15:30		Join arbingordon [0] (~w@c-71-226-248-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
21:15:30		Join scorche\|sh [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
21:15:30		Join S_a_i_n_t [0] (S_a_i_n_t@203.184.5.166)
21:15:30		Join jordan` [0] (~jordan@78.235.252.137)
21:15:30		Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
21:15:30		Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at)
21:15:30		Join avacore^ [0] (nobody@1008ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk)
21:15:30		Join stavrob_ [0] (~sam@78-105-125-218.zone3.bethere.co.uk)
21:15:30		Join dionoea_ [0] (~dionoea@yop.chewa.net)
21:15:30		Join krazykit` [0] (~kkit@adsl-76-240-216-183.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net)
21:15:30		Join antil33t [0] (~Mudkips@203-184-54-232.callplus.net.nz)
21:15:30		Join Battousai [0] (~bryan@2001:470:8830::80)
21:15:30		Join chaos [0] (~chaos@gentoo/user/ch4os)
21:15:30		Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater)
21:16:06		Join crwl [0] (~crwlll@dsl-jklbrasgw1-fe10fb00-173.dhcp.inet.fi)
21:16:50	pixelma	maybe it also has to do with the OS? I'm aware that there could be differences with the M5 but I's expect to hear more often about it if it was a common problem with Rockbox
21:17:01	pixelma	gevaerts: ^
21:17:08		Quit Xerion (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
21:17:15	gevaerts	I don't think so. There's no USB connection detected at all
21:17:24		Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection)
21:17:25		Quit pixelma (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
21:17:26		Join kaniini [0] (~quassel@dyn75-70.yok.fi)
21:18:02	gevaerts	I'll see if I can find an old build that works
21:18:14	gevaerts	and if so, I'll start bisecting
21:20:57		Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
21:21:07		Join amiconn [0] (~jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
21:23:40	*	ThomasAH reads "sound" and "clip+" in the scrollback, but how? I did not see a commit regarding this
21:24:28	ThomasAH	or is CIA-5 confused about something?
21:24:44	Luca_S	funman quit before committing, has to clean up his tree before committing
21:25:43	gevaerts	OK, I have the same issue with r12000, so I'm fairly confident that this isn't something that was broken recently
21:25:57	Luca_S	but the gentleman's mail is more than enough to be partying :)
21:26:12		Join fred_99 [0] (~fred@bem87-1-88-174-140-49.fbx.proxad.net)
21:26:23	ThomasAH	Luca_S: I'd like to have some free music for the party :)
21:27:11	Luca_S	=D
21:27:52	Luca_S	I just don't get why minor mp3 player manufacturer don't start producing players with rockbox out of the box
21:28:17	Luca_S	they could make a crapton of dollars with such a device
21:29:57	pixelma	amiconn: could you try your X5? Or any other X5 owner, the Swedes?
21:30:30	gevaerts	I'm now running r12000 with the v2 bootloader, still no USB in rockbox
21:31:08	pixelma	gevaerts: I'm quite sure I updated later builds or copied thing on and off my father's X5 and didn't see a problem (not a 100% sure if it wasn't the Cowon loader though)
21:31:19	Parsi	how should i run patches?
21:31:28	Parsi	it's a .c file
21:31:39	pixelma	gevaerts: umm... on the M5, I have a v4 bootloader
21:31:56	gevaerts	pixelma: yes, I downgraded to make sure it wasn't something in there
21:32:24		Quit Barahir (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
21:32:27	gevaerts	My first tries were with the current one
21:33:06		Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@gssn-5f756b4c.pool.mediaWays.net)
21:33:22		Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited)
21:33:33	gevaerts	Apparently rockbox does something differently from the ROM code that does not work on some hardware, possibly due to hardware issues (since fred_99 says that it used to work for him)
21:33:40	pixelma	Parsi: you need to apply the patches to the source code and compile your own Rockbox build
21:33:54	Parsi	owa
21:34:00	Parsi	i can't
21:34:13	Parsi	can someone do it:D?
21:35:02	pixelma	there are pages in our wiki that explain what you have to set up
21:37:12	*	pixelma still wonders why the supposedly "correct approach" dual bootloader for the X5 never got a review
21:38:55	Parsi	pixelma: where are those pages?
21:41:03	pixelma	Parsi: you can go from here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide#Set_Up_Your_Environment
21:41:29	Parsi	it's difficult :(
21:41:48	gevaerts	uhm, it does work in r9500...
21:42:15	gevaerts	So something changed between r9500 and r12000
21:42:36	AlexP	Quite a few things I imagine :)
21:42:49	gevaerts	Even more if you compare to today
21:42:58	gevaerts	The button map in r9500 is weird
21:43:24		Quit bmbl (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
21:44:22	pixelma	Parsi: it looks complicated in the beginning but once you've set everything up it's not hard
21:45:50		Join DV [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
21:47:15		Join CFP [0] (~Create@ip-247.net-81-220-136.rev.numericable.fr)
21:48:37		Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury)
21:51:24		Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk)
21:53:19	stripwax	anyone seen any playback/buffering issues recently? i noticed today that the cpu got boosted on full and the buffer got reduced to the remainder of the currently-playing track , at one point. cpu stayed boosted while track continued playing and no buffering took place. then when the track ended, the rest of the playlist got buffered in and (when that finished) cpu went unboosted
21:53:31	stripwax	I know there used to be bugs like this but i thought they were all fixed?
21:54:50	fred_99	hi, can anybody explain if I can use DEBUGF and eventualy how
21:55:27	doomcup	sigh
21:55:36	doomcup	Wretched ipod is acting up again
21:56:01	doomcup	Still have the problem with it crashing during file transfer
21:56:14	doomcup	I'm backing it up, gonna reset the whole thing
21:57:25		Quit Parsi (Quit: Leaving.)
21:57:42	domonoky	fred_99: DEBUGF only works on sim, and you need a debug build (afaik)
21:57:54	domonoky	fred_99: but you can use logf on target.
21:58:41	fred_99	domonoky: thanks, anything to help debug on the firmware ?
21:59:02	fred_99	domonoky: sorry I don't read
21:59:30		Quit Darkknight512 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920])
21:59:34	domonoky	if you have a target with rockbox software usb, you can even use logf over usb-serial :-)
21:59:34		Quit planetbeing_ (Quit: planetbeing_)
22:00
22:00:20	fred_99	problem, it's my USB not working
22:00:43	gevaerts	fred_99: I'm trying to isolate the issue
22:01:13	fred_99	gevaerts: tks, you had the same problem ?
22:01:17	gevaerts	yes
22:01:20	fred_99	ah
22:02:08	gevaerts	150 revisions left to go though
22:02:18	doomcup	Hm
22:02:21	doomcup	Even wierder
22:02:31	fred_99	so I probably won't fix it but it's to fall back into C code I was used 15 years ago ..... no code since that time ... so it's for fun
22:02:37	doomcup	The transfer stopped dead when I was taking music off
22:02:47	doomcup	But it didn't crash, and I'm giving it a second try
22:03:00	gevaerts	doomcup: is the filesystem clean
22:03:01	gevaerts	?
22:03:10	doomcup	I just fsck'd it twice
22:03:15	doomcup	It should be okay
22:03:24	doomcup	Still haad to hard reset it twice
22:03:29	doomcup	That's why I'm backing it up
22:03:39		Join phanboy4 [0] (~benji@c-174-49-112-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
22:03:42	doomcup	Gonna reset it via itunes and reinstall rockbox to it
22:04:49		Join perfectdrug_ [0] (~marko@p5B0EF2DA.dip.t-dialin.net)
22:08:16		Quit perfectdrug (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
22:10:38		Quit CFP (Quit: Quitte)
22:12:41		Join ssbm [0] (~ssbm@user-0c2h911.cable.mindspring.com)
22:13:56	gevaerts	OK, I found the revision that broke USB on my x5. It's r11261
22:14:51	doomcup	Okay, so much for gui drag and drop
22:14:56	doomcup	Let's do it gui style
22:15:00	doomcup	Er, cli
22:15:31		Quit JohannesSM64 (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-dev)
22:16:16	ssbm	Are there any plans for the Archos 2, because it's firmware sucks it probably needs Rockbox more than anyother player.
22:16:58	krazykit`	only if interested owners of the device do the porting themselves
22:17:06	Luca_S	There are never plans for new ports, if anyone wants to contribute, he's welcome
22:17:11	Bagder	ssbm: we don't plan ports, people just go ahead and make them!
22:17:21	ssbm	I see
22:17:29	Bagder	is that a rockchip btw?
22:17:35	ssbm	Did not know how the whole process worked
22:17:39		Quit krazykit` (Quit: bbiab)
22:18:00		Quit ssbm ()
22:18:03	Luca_S	The first step is usually gathering information about the player's internals and posting them on the wiki
22:18:11	Bagder	he left
22:18:12	Luca_S	oh well, too slow :)
22:18:36	Bagder	I know some of the recent smaller Archoses are using Rockchip, but I don't know if the 2 does
22:18:48	*	gevaerts grumbles about commits that claim to fix things but actually break the very thing they claim to fix
22:19:22	pixelma	maybe they fix it on some other players
22:19:24	gevaerts	presumably only for some people...
22:19:56	pixelma	I mean single devices
22:20:15		Quit ichthys (Quit: Leaving)
22:20:44		Join krazykit [0] (~kkit@adsl-76-240-216-183.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net)
22:26:54	gevaerts	OK, reverting that on the latest trunk indeed fixes it
22:28:01	pixelma	I wonder though if reverting might break it on some other X5s?
22:29:19	gevaerts	amiconn: according to irc logs on http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20061018, your x5 might have had broken usb prior to r11261
22:31:31		Quit planetbeing (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
22:31:43	gevaerts	If so, could you try http://pastie.org/877815.txt ?
22:31:57	gevaerts	pixelma: could you also try that one on your M5?
22:32:46	gevaerts	it uses the same code
22:32:51	pixelma	sure, just reverting that patch or is there some adaptatio needed?
22:33:05	pixelma	adaptation too
22:33:33	gevaerts	Just apply that one. It's against trunk, but that file doesn't change often
22:33:42	pixelma	hmm... I guess the file could have been renamed since
22:33:45	gevaerts	http://pastie.org/877815.txt I mean
22:36:08		Quit captainkewllll (Quit: Page closed)
22:36:54	gevaerts	hm, maybe I'm wrong...
22:37:29	*	gevaerts tries something
22:39:10	gevaerts	no, it's definitely that commit
22:44:10	*	gevaerts doesn't really understand it
22:44:24		Join DV__ [0] (~DV@218.248.65.241)
22:44:52	gevaerts	Hm, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IAudioX5PortPins lists that particular GPIO pin as an input pin...
22:46:06		Quit DV (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
22:49:49	gevaerts	Could iaudio (not D2) people try http://pastie.org/877838.txt ?
22:50:28	CIA-5	New commit by alle (r25250): Set the default character in 08-Atadore font to an existing glyph
22:50:35		Join planetbeing [0] (~planetbei@198.107.160.95)
22:51:32	gevaerts	fred_99: do you have a build environment set up?
22:56:10	fred_99	yep
22:56:56	gevaerts	ok, can you try the patch in http://pastie.org/877838.txt ? That should fix the USB issue
22:56:56	fred_99	gevaerts: yes
22:57:12	pixelma	gevaerts: that patch definitely has the opposite effect on my M5 from what it does for you
22:57:14	fred_99	I try and tell you
22:57:23	gevaerts	pixelma: the first one, or the second?
22:57:43	gevaerts	I suspect that http://pastie.org/877838.txt should work for everyone
22:57:48	pixelma	first one, didn't notice there was another
22:59:12	gevaerts	If the wiki is correct, the problem is that rockbox writes to an input pin. If this pin happens to have the same value that rockbox is trying to write everything is fine. If not USB doesn't work
22:59:26	gevaerts	My patch just doesn't touch the pin
22:59:33	pamaury	TheSeven: ping
22:59:45	gevaerts	The first one did, with the other value
23:00
23:00:41		Quit moos (Remote host closed the connection)
23:01:56		Join Darkknight512 [0] (~Darkknigh@CPE00212968356c-CM00186845dd46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
23:02:04		Join Casainho [0] (~chatzilla@87.196.103.2)
23:02:33	amiconn	gevaerts: The value of VBUS_POWER doesn't matter much
23:02:50	amiconn	It just tells the bridge whether it should behave as a bus powered or self powered device
23:03:06	gevaerts	amiconn: yes, that's the theory. Setting it wrong breaks USB though
23:03:16	gevaerts	and "wrong" depends on the device
23:04:59		Join Kitr88 [0] (~Kitr88@BSN-182-8-113.dial-up.dsl.siol.net)
23:07:22		Quit Kitar\|st (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
23:08:53	fred_99	gevaerts: nice .... it works fine
23:09:43		Quit Kitr88 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
23:10:12	gevaerts	amiconn: does rockbox set up the GPIO direction on iaudio, or do we rely on the bootloader?
23:10:20	fred_99	gevaerts: I mounted and copied a file without any problems
23:12:58		Quit Lss (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
23:13:22	pixelma	gevaerts: the second patch seems to work for me
23:13:33	amiconn	gevaerts: Rockbox sets it, see GPIO_ENABLE (set to output) and GPIO_FUNCTION (set to GPIO)
23:14:17	amiconn	And GPIO4 is actually used as an output pin, the wiki info is wrong
23:14:21	*	amiconn fixes
23:14:48		Join Kitar\|st [0] (Kitr88@89.142.93.10)
23:15:30	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:16:22		Quit DerPapst (Quit: Leaving.)
23:17:41	TheSeven	pamaury: pong
23:18:09	pamaury	TheSeven: did you see my patch on FS about FAT ? What do you think about it/did you test it ?
23:19:08	TheSeven	i did see it, but I didn't look at it thoroughly, neither am I familiar with that part of the rockbox code. I also haven't tested it yet (which I might just do now) as I was quite busy during the last days and somebody else had already reported success on nano2g
23:19:24	pamaury	yes
23:25:20		Quit phanboy4 (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
23:25:59	TheSeven	until now, i only spotted some cosmetic issues
23:26:21	gevaerts	It has to be an output pin. Setting it to input causes the entire thing to reset
23:26:28	pamaury	TheSeven: cosmetic ?
23:26:40	amiconn	eh?
23:27:15	gevaerts	During my experiments I did set it to input once. It wasn't a successul try...
23:28:14	TheSeven	pamaury: for example excessively long lines and "{" pulled up to the line where the if is, while it's below the if for most of them in the file
23:28:57	TheSeven	hm, or maybe not
23:29:08	TheSeven	seems to be already mixed quite well ;-)
23:29:21	pamaury	Arg, perhaps. I really hate the { on the same line !
23:29:43	gevaerts	amiconn: Could you try setting the vbus to 0 on your X5? http://pastie.org/877815.txt should do that. If it still works, there's probably something weird going on with my (and fred_99's) hardware. If it breaks for you, I think the safest thing is to not touch the bit
23:31:17	TheSeven	pamaury: then just go ahead and fix them all. i would appreciate it.
23:31:25	TheSeven	/* This should be enough to hold any name segment utf8-encoded */
23:31:27	TheSeven	unsigned char shortname[13]; /* 8+3+dot+\0 */
23:31:37	TheSeven	this confuses me a bit, even though it wasn't touched in that patch
23:32:42	pamaury	TheSeven: let me check but I think the comment is not up to date, shortname is in fact just a copy of the shortname
23:32:59	TheSeven	yes, and the comment is simply not true.
23:33:37	TheSeven	(it doesn't seem to have anything in common with the line following it, having a closer look...(
23:34:24		Join GeekShadow [0] (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow)
23:34:56	amiconn	gevaerts: If you don't touch the bit, it will be the same as setting it to 0 explicitly
23:35:12	pamaury	Yes, the comment is not true, the size of shortname is sufficient as far as I can tell, even though it's not immediate
23:35:16	gevaerts	hm, right
23:36:42		Quit komputes (Remote host closed the connection)
23:36:49	gevaerts	amiconn: are you sure? The only difference between http://pastie.org/877815.txt and http://pastie.org/877838.txt is that the first one does set it to 0 explicitely. They don't behave the same on M5
23:38:07	gevaerts	I'd expect the or_l(0x00800000, &GPIO_OUT); to leave the value at whatever was there, which should be what's set there by the boot code
23:38:36	amiconn	The boot code shouldn't set anything as long as you don't use cowon loader usb
23:38:53	amiconn	The reset default is 0
23:38:58	gevaerts	hm
23:39:03	amiconn	And M5 is different
23:39:42	*	gevaerts is totally confused by this
23:41:23	amiconn	What puzzles me is that you say the X5 resets if you program this pin to input
23:43:10	gevaerts	I might have done something wrong there. Maybe I shouldn't code when tired
23:43:51		Part toffe82
23:44:39	TheSeven	pamaury: + /* ugly */
23:44:56	TheSeven	a comment describing why this works would be more helpful
23:46:00		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk)
23:46:02	fred_99	gevaerts: if it works for me, I'm fine .... even tired :)
23:46:13	TheSeven	"utf8encode will return a pointer to the end of the converted string, subtract the pointer to the start to get the length of it" or something
23:46:30	pamaury	indeed, you're right
23:47:11	gevaerts	fred_99: that patch works fine for me as well, it's just some of the other changes I did while experimenting that were both broken and vague in my memory
23:47:58	gevaerts	I just don't know the iaudios well enough to feel confident in committing this without fear of breaking things for more people
23:48:27	*	amiconn needs to look up something in the CY7C68310 manual
23:48:58	fred_99	what I can say is my USB port never stopped to work under cowon OS .....
23:49:42	gevaerts	oh, right. Do you still have it set up for dual boot?
23:49:47	pamaury	TheSeven: you're right, I forgot a few { on a new line
23:50:03	fred_99	and I never had a copy issue or something else, so I think my hardware's fine
23:50:06	fred_99	yes
23:50:54	fred_99	instead of this impossible to talk to my RB anymore :)
23:50:59		Quit robin0800 (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
23:51:25		Join robin0800 [0] (~quassel@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk)
23:52:18	gevaerts	Does the OF have USB related settings? Things like hub or direct connection, self-powered or bus-powered...
23:52:27	*	gevaerts has no idea how they would be named
23:53:00	pamaury	TheSeven: I'll upload a new patch, can you check cosmetics once more ?
23:55:25		Join RadicalR [0] (~radicalr@c-69-255-49-110.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
23:56:23	fred_99	gevaerts, do you know where or_l is define ?
23:56:52	amiconn	Hmm, that's odd
23:57:10	amiconn	Setting GPIO4 to 0 causes usb to fail on my X5
23:57:19	gevaerts	fred_99: firmware/target/coldfire/system-target.h
23:57:26	amiconn	That shouldn't happen - it should work in both cases
23:58:27	fred_99	gevaerts, thanks

Previous day | Next day