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| 02:04:14 | Strife89 | Hmmm. |
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| 02:04:40 | Strife89 | Has anyone aside from me noticed any odd behavior around r25280? |
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| 02:05:08 | Strife89 | I will admit that I am using patches, but they have never caused a problem before. |
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| 02:05:23 | Strife89 | I intend to try a normal build shortly. |
| 02:05:53 | mc2739 | Strife89: what kind of problems? |
| 02:06:07 | Strife89 | Nonetheless, here is what I'm seeing: The "main menu" viewport does not always show said menu. |
| 02:06:26 | Strife89 | Occasionally, it disappears and will not return until I press a button. |
| 02:06:56 | mc2739 | I think that is something that JdGordon is working on - I believe it started with r25271 |
| 02:07:03 | Strife89 | What's more, there is *extremely* noticable flickering when loading long playlists. |
| 02:07:10 | Strife89 | Ah. |
| 02:08:02 | Strife89 | Fortunately I don't have epilepsy (I think...), but the issue is driving me nuts. :) |
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| 02:10:56 | JdGordon | Strife89: what settings? |
| 02:11:14 | JdGordon | and target |
| 02:11:16 | Strife89 | JdGordon: Not default, but they are the same settings I've been using. |
| 02:11:25 | Strife89 | Target is an iPod Photo, 20 GB. |
| 02:11:30 | JdGordon | pastebin your config.cfg |
| 02:11:37 | Strife89 | Will do, hang on. |
| 02:12:22 | Strife89 | JdGordon: Please note that I AM using patches, but they have never caused any noticable issues; and only one patch is related to the display in any way. |
| 02:12:42 | Strife89 | Also, I have not updated any patches in a while, so that is not the issue. |
| 02:15:15 | JdGordon | thats not a problem, my recent change broke things |
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| 02:16:42 | mxs | Hi! I'm using rockbox on a Sansa Clip - in radio it always shows mono and not stereo - does anyone know how to get stereo FM radio? |
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| 02:17:50 | Strife89 | JdGordon: http://pastie.org/882029 |
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| 03:02:28 | Blue_Dude | jdgordon: I'm also seeing gui weirdness with the latest build. Blank screens (blank except for the status bar and background) showing up randomly, that kind of thing. |
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| 03:08:04 | CaptainKewl | JdGordon: conditional viewports in my wps aren't rendering anymore either. |
| 03:08:05 | CaptainKewl | http://www.pastie.org/882077 |
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| 03:19:50 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r25296): revert r25271 which caused more problems than it tried to fix |
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| 03:27:57 | S_a_i_n_t | huh...so it *was* 25271 causing the drawing problems with the splashes/backdrop etc? |
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| 03:38:19 | mxs | Hi! I'm using rockbox on a Sansa Clip - in radio it always shows mono and not stereo - does anyone know how to get stereo FM radio? |
| 03:38:26 | Strife89 | S_a_i_n_t: I'm about to test that, to be sure it's not just something on my end. |
| 03:38:48 | Strife89 | mxs: It's possible that the Clip's radio doesn't support Stereo. |
| 03:38:58 | Strife89 | I don't know much about the target. |
| 03:39:40 | Strife89 | However, I believe the Fuze's radio has the same condition (mono only). |
| 03:40:31 | mxs | Ahha...thanks. I'm pretty sure that the radio is stereo when using original firmware, so is this a rockbox limitation then? |
| 03:41:21 | Strife89 | mxs: If that's the case with the OF, then the radio code/drivers may simply be unfinished. |
| 03:41:33 | Strife89 | Again, I am not certian. |
| 03:41:58 | mxs | Strife89: thanks... you're probably correct |
| 03:42:35 | Strife89 | I know the c200's radio supports Stereo in both the OFand Rockbox. |
| 03:45:11 | mxs | ok.. |
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| 03:50:37 | Blue_Dude | JdGordon: the gui appears ok after the revert. Thanks. |
| 03:51:14 | JdGordon | now i need to figure out what everyone .sbs's are doing to cause the wierd issues |
| 03:51:50 | Blue_Dude | I thought I had done it. I have been messing with the menu system and thought I'd really crumped it good. |
| 03:52:08 | Blue_Dude | Glad it was you. :) |
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| 03:53:06 | Blue_Dude | I did try out the two built-in status bars but had the same weirdness with both of them. |
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| 04:01:47 | Strife89 | All clear on my end. :) |
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| 04:44:54 | Gartral | the daily build link in the HowTo Compil manual is broken. And I can't find the source on the daily builds page |
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| 05:08:33 | saratoga | fixed that wiki page |
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| 05:13:09 | Gartral | saratoga: i assume removal of source from the daily page was deliberate then. as you seemed to have removed the link to source entirly |
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| 05:20:17 | mc2739 | Gartral: That is correct. Current source is available through svn checkout. |
| 05:29:33 | Gartral | what was the rationell for removing it? just bandwidth? |
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| 05:37:03 | CGL | ¿Alguien sabe como instalar Swat 4 en fedora 12? |
| 05:40:40 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25297): Rewrite ascodec_as3514.c to use interrupts. |
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| 05:47:06 | Gartral | trying to compile locally for a bench-build to test against the site's build.. but i keep getting errors.. http://gar.pastebin.com/D3LCBn2n |
| 05:47:54 | Gartral | cd |
| 05:48:24 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25298): Add $self to list. |
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| 05:49:37 | Gartral | fixed it >> |
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| 06:02:39 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25299): Add handler for audio irq. |
| 06:04:48 | mikerinrin | hey all, I was wondering if anyone has experience with installing rockbox on a Sansa e250r using linux. |
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| 06:09:40 | Gartral | im hitting a starnge error in rbutil: "Problem detected: Target mismatch detected. Installed target e200, selected target: Sansa e200v1 series" it wants to know if i really want to continue... |
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| 06:10:35 | FlynDice_ | ranmachan: Congrats & welcome aboard! Well done sir! |
| 06:13:04 | ranmachan | FlynDice_: Thanks. |
| 06:13:39 | ranmachan | mt: Thanks |
| 06:21:10 | mikerinrin | sudo sh ./e200rpatcher.linux32 errors out with "e200rpatcher: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected". Any thoughts? |
| 06:23:19 | ranmachan | mikerinrin: It's not a shell script |
| 06:23:30 | ranmachan | Should be an executable AFAICS |
| 06:27:34 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25300): Implement software pwm to control c200v2 display brightness. |
| 06:27:48 | mikerinrin | viola, thanks ranmachan. we should update the wiki |
| 06:30:42 | Jdgordon | Gartral: it probably means you are trying to install v1 build onto a v2? |
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| 06:45:42 | tmzt_ | mikroflops: if you can't call it directly try linux32 |
| 06:45:54 | tmzt_ | but you'll need libraries in both cases |
| 06:46:04 | tmzt_ | sorry he left |
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| 07:05:31 | pixelma | Gartral: or you have a build from before the target rename on your Sansa |
| 07:10:34 | FlynDice_ | ranmachan: I think r25299 is causing some problems with clip+ at least. I get an empty battery icon and the battery reading in the debug section shows 0 v. r25297 is normal. |
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| 07:19:24 | ranmachan | FlynDice_: Hmm, clip+ is the newer AS chipset, right? It's probably using a different irq. |
| 07:20:17 | ranmachan | Gotta go now, will look at enabling it only on AS3525 when I'm back. |
| 07:20:18 | FlynDice_ | ranmachan: Geez, sorry I was busy with SD cards and didn't get a chance to try out yhe patches, it seems 25297 somehow makes the debug view HW info page get a divide by zero... any ideas? |
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| 07:21:11 | FlynDice_ | Sure, i'm headed to bed now , no time to look and probably won't understand it without spending some time ;) cya |
| 07:21:31 | ranmachan | Ok |
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| 07:21:46 | alexpja | can any1 help me with this? |
| 07:22:12 | alexpja | ??\ |
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| 07:31:39 | alexpja | Helllo? |
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| 07:36:20 | pixelma | you need to ask an explicit question, no-one knows if he can help you with "this" ;) |
| 07:36:32 | alexpja | uh |
| 07:36:33 | alexpja | yea |
| 07:36:56 | alexpja | well i was running sudo ./ipodpatcher -a iloader-installer.ipodx |
| 07:36:57 | alexpja | and |
| 07:37:11 | alexpja | i get |
| 07:37:12 | alexpja | Unmount failed: Bad file descriptor |
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| 07:56:00 | Gartral | alexpja: linux or mac? |
| 07:57:58 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t, soap: any (negative) experience with the non-boosted buffering when using DMA? |
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| 08:08:01 | alexpja | mac |
| 08:08:21 | alexpja | gartal: mac |
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| 08:52:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I hope you end up reading the logs... I haven't *noticed* anything dodgy/negative with running that patch on Nano 1g and 2g. Well, what I'm saying is tht I percieve no notable effect, which I assume was the intended reult...? I didn't really give either of the players anything really stressfull to do though. |
| 08:52:58 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25301): fix r25297 : make ascodec-target.h empty when building sim |
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| 09:09:14 | funman | FlynDice, ranma|away : i could swear first patches worked on Clip+, the difference between the patches which have been committed must be small |
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| 09:21:30 | funman | afaict fs#11131 didn't change, but i can't tell anything from the diff between the first & last patches in fs#11130 |
| 09:22:57 | S_a_i_n_t | alexpja: TheSeven is really the one you shold be talking to about iLoader, as he was the one that developed it. |
| 09:24:40 | S_a_i_n_t | If you PM him explaining the symptoms + steps taken, I'm sure he won't mind and will get back to you when he can. |
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| 09:44:01 | funman | ranma|away: with http://pastie.org/882327 i have no more divide by 0, only lock up in debug>hw_info and debug>battery |
| 09:45:48 | ranma|away | Hmm, that shouldn't be zero though... |
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| 09:48:46 | gevaerts | Zagor, Bagder: the daily builds seem to have half-disappeared since a while |
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| 09:50:14 | gevaerts | There are some on http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ but http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodvideo64mb (and others) don't list anything |
| 09:50:37 | ranma|away | funman: Does it still lockup if you comment out the wakeup_wait in ascodec_wait_adc_finished? |
| 09:50:42 | funman | Bagder: did you get my mail "Subject: Binary release of mkamsboot : 1.2" ? |
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| 09:50:54 | Bagder | yes I did, I'm just a bit slow on acting on it, thanks |
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| 09:51:32 | ranma | funman: Ah I know the most likely reason for it reading back 0. |
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| 09:52:00 | ranma | I changed the code so the i2c block clock is stopped when no commands are pending. |
| 09:52:15 | funman | ranma: r25297 seems to work (shows battery icon), but I still get divide by 0 in debug>hw_info |
| 09:52:18 | ranma | That could affect reading back the registers. |
| 09:52:56 | ranma | funman: Try commenting out "CGU_PERI &= ~CGU_I2C_AUDIO_MASTER_CLOCK_ENABLE;" in r25297, does that get rid of the divide by 0? |
| 09:52:57 | funman | no lockup in battery debug menu though |
| 09:53:14 | ranma | If so you can't read the divisor while the clock is stopped on the newer SoC |
| 09:54:00 | funman | yes it does |
| 09:54:07 | Zagor | gevaerts: checking... |
| 09:55:29 | ranma | So a) disable dynamic clock gating for i2c on newer SoC or b) add ascodec_get_clkdiv()... |
| 09:56:03 | funman | since we don't change dynamically I2C2_CPSR* we could skip reading the regs |
| 09:56:20 | ranma | Yeah, that would also be an option. |
| 09:56:44 | funman | ranma: I get divide by 0 also on Clipv1 |
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| 09:57:03 | ranma | Most flexible would be adding a static inline ascodec_get_clkdiv(). |
| 09:57:58 | * | funman thinks the patches have been committed in a hurry |
| 09:57:58 | ranma | Weirdly I don't get a divide by 0 on my C200v2. |
| 09:58:22 | funman | if you print I2C2_CPSR* instead of the calculated freq, do you see the expected values ? |
| 09:58:57 | funman | (disabling ascodec_wait_adc_finished() suppresses the deadlocks) |
| 09:59:44 | funman | so the meaning of IRQ_ENRD0 perhaps changed, i'll look at this |
| 09:59:58 | funman | ranma: if you have developers rights on flyspray could you close the tasks? |
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| 10:00:10 | ranma | Either that or it's a different interrupt for the audio block. |
| 10:01:47 | ranma | As soon as Zagor adds the rights for me on FS :) |
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| 10:02:12 | * | Zagor feels reminded :) |
| 10:02:20 | ranma | Zagor: Sent you an email earlier today :) |
| 10:03:23 | funman | ranma: unlikely, i see the same interrupt numbers in the OF, but I don't see a 0x25-0x27 registers range in linux source for as3543 |
| 10:03:39 | Zagor | ranma: done |
| 10:06:02 | Zagor | gevaerts: heh, it hasn't ever worked in 2010 :) |
| 10:06:15 | Zagor | obviously not our most used feature... |
| 10:08:05 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: sounds more like an ipodpatcher issue than an iloader issue |
| 10:10:12 | funman | ranma: on the other hand, the RTC registers aren't present either in linux source, but they do exist on the Clip+ bus |
| 10:10:57 | TheSeven | hm, there is exactly one thing now that i like better in the apple firmware than in rockbox, and that is seeking in tracks |
| 10:11:21 | TheSeven | that tap-and-scroll mechanism is just way better than holding a skip button |
| 10:11:46 | TheSeven | and as the center button is unused (for short presses) anyway in the WPS, we could actually implement this :-D |
| 10:11:47 | funman | TheSeven: can this be done by a keymap change? |
| 10:11:55 | * | Bagder has never used an ipod |
| 10:11:57 | TheSeven | I don't think so |
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| 10:12:35 | TheSeven | in the OFW you can basically use the center button to switch between 3 modes for the wheel: volume, seeking and rating. |
| 10:12:48 | TheSeven | after some seconds of inactivity, it will go back to the volume mode |
| 10:12:50 | gevaerts | TheSeven: just try to seek in a flac file in the OF! |
| 10:13:01 | * | TheSeven doesn't use FLAC files |
| 10:13:41 | TheSeven | and I didn't say that the OF is better than rockbox, I just said that there is this single advantage left for it, which we should pull over to our side :-P |
| 10:13:43 | CIA-5 | New commit by zagor (r25302): Fixed date parsing. |
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| 10:15:04 | ranma | funman: If the adc finished interrupt doesn't work, is the usb plugin detection working? |
| 10:15:28 | funman | ranma: (was just about to say the same thing) i see the charger icon appear & disappear |
| 10:15:52 | ranma | The charger thing is still handled by polling. |
| 10:16:53 | funman | isn't the icon handled by usb_detect() ? |
| 10:17:32 | ranma | The charger icon isn't AFAICS, it works even if usb always says EXTRACTED. |
| 10:20:15 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25303): as3525: do not read i2c2_cpsr* registers because the clock might be disabled ... |
| 10:20:21 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: I agree with TheSeven - alexpja's problem has nothing to do with iloader. |
| 10:20:31 | * | funman slaps self for not testing prior to commit |
| 10:22:05 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25304): fix previous revision by using correct definition of i2c prescaler |
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| 10:25:30 | ranma | funman: http://pastie.org/882363 |
| 10:27:38 | S_a_i_n_t | I just thought it should be directed to TheSeven as it mentioned iLoader and he's perfectly qualified to give tech advice on both iLoader & Rockbox. I wasn;t sure *where* the issue lay (in iPodpatcher or iLoader) but I knew they if it *was* an iLoader thing that TheSeven was the man for the job. |
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| 10:28:04 | S_a_i_n_t | sthey/that/ |
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| 10:30:58 | funman | ranma|away: about prescaler: ok if you feel if it's cleaner, i have preference for the shortest patch though |
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| 10:31:26 | funman | about IRQ_ADC : I think the whole callback needs to be removed: I don't get usb_insert_int() calls, i'll check RTC |
| 10:32:04 | funman | perhaps we should ask the complete as3543 datasheet to AMS |
| 10:32:39 | funman | no RTC interrupt either |
| 10:33:06 | * | pamaury doesn't understand why making blocking usb control transfers partially break rolo display screen |
| 10:33:49 | * | funman now sees rtc registers mentioned in as353x linux source |
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| 10:52:46 | AsusFreak | Hi. I placed a question in the WPS forum ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24271.msg164034#msg164034 ). Maybe JdGordon or somebody with coding knowledge could take a look at it. Thank you. |
| 10:53:01 | funman | ranma|away: ah, as3531 datasheet mentions IRQENRD_1 & IRQENRD_2 at 0x25, IRQENRD_3 at 0x26 and IRQENRD_4 at 0x27, but the bits aren't detailed |
| 10:53:41 | funman | hm nope, IRQENRD_1 is at 0x24 and IRQENRD_0 at 0x23 |
| 10:56:01 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: btw... I really like your idea about pulling the seek/volume behaviour from the iPod OF. The more I think about/experiment with it the more I like the idea of it. I've just managed to get used to both (RB & OF) styles by now. |
| 10:56:21 | S_a_i_n_t | It would definitely be a nice thing to have in RB IMO ;) |
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| 10:58:16 | funman | ranma|away: "Interrupt settings for end of conversion interrupt" is still in 0x27, perhaps at a different offset |
| 10:58:37 | funman | reading it in dbg>hw_info shows me 0x1 once and then always 0x0 |
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| 11:00:21 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: seeking half way through a 30-minute file currently takes me like 10 seconds of keeping the button pressed while not hearing anything, while in the OF I can do it within a second |
| 11:00:37 | TheSeven | I don't think one can seriously get used to that. |
| 11:03:44 | funman | ranma|away: audio irq is only used on Clip+, not on Clipv |
| 11:03:45 | funman | 1 |
| 11:06:48 | pamaury | did someone ever experienced this: connect usb, write firmware, disconnect, rolo show up asking to reload, wait for 5sec and then rolo screen disappear but the button still works as in the screen ? |
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| 11:11:40 | pamaury | gevaerts: isn't it strange that in usb_hid, each usb_hid_send will eventually trigger a usb_drv_send_nonblocking even tough a transfer is already taking place ? That doesn't make sense as hid does manual queueing |
| 11:12:19 | gevaerts | pamaury: I don't know right now, but I do seem to remember thinking that hid had some bugs in that area |
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| 11:14:19 | pamaury | I'm having a rolo screen problem with my switch to blocking/unblocking but this particular hid thing is completely orthogonal and would gain to be fix/checked against the know hid bug |
| 11:16:54 | funman | USB is enabled from INT_AUDIO |
| 11:16:59 | funman | (on Clip+) |
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| 11:29:41 | linuxstb | TheSeven: The problem is that the select button is used for other things currently... |
| 11:32:23 | TheSeven | in the WPS? |
| 11:32:56 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 11:33:40 | TheSeven | what does it do (besides opening the context menu on a long press)? |
| 11:33:50 | TheSeven | i haven't noticed it doing anything yet :-P |
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| 11:38:39 | linuxstb | I thought it went to the file/database browser... |
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| 11:40:11 | TheSeven | hm, if it did, I would consider that mostly useless, as you can get there by pressing menu and then select, which isn't really a hassle, and freeing the select button for other purpuses would remove a great hassle |
| 11:45:52 | funman | ranma: VIC_INT_ENABLE = 0xffffffff; shows no interrupts (UIRQ()), I suppose IRQENRD_* changed or disappeared completely |
| 11:46:23 | ranma | funman: http://pastie.org/882432 |
| 11:47:26 | funman | ranma: doesn't usb_detect() work on c200v2 ? |
| 11:47:28 | ranma | I hate all the ifdefs though. I like the linux approach here most of the ifdefs are 'hidden' in the headers and they just rely on the compiler to remove parts that are never executed. |
| 11:47:38 | ranma | funman: It works on C200V2 |
| 11:47:49 | funman | why using the GPIO pin again then? |
| 11:48:02 | ranma | I just thought having the define in there doesn't hurt, it's not using the GPIO for AS3525 |
| 11:49:05 | funman | oh ok |
| 11:49:10 | funman | IMO it should be removed if unused |
| 11:49:15 | funman | the info is still in the wiki / svn log |
| 11:49:19 | ranma | Ok |
| 11:50:19 | ranma | Which of SANSA_CLIP SANSA_FUZE SANSA_E200V2 are AS3525v2? Only CLIP? Or none? |
| 11:50:36 | funman | only CLIPV2 CLIPPLUS and FUZEV2 |
| 11:50:58 | ranma | Ok, so none of those have USB_DETECT_PIN defined yet then? |
| 11:51:55 | funman | ranma: http://pastie.org/882432 seems to work (builds with warnings though) |
| 11:52:31 | funman | no, although they seem to be known for fuzev2 & clipv2, there's no pin for clip+ |
| 11:53:09 | ranma | What are the warnings? |
| 11:53:16 | funman | /media/bordel/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/as3525/ascodec-as3525.c:114: warning: ‘as_audio_req’ defined but not used |
| 11:53:19 | funman | /media/bordel/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/as3525/ascodec-as3525.c:119: warning: ‘ascodec_read_cb’ declared ‘static’ but never defined |
| 11:53:43 | funman | btw don't forget to check http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi after you commit |
| 11:53:49 | ranma | Yeah. |
| 11:54:20 | ranma | Ist that explained a bit better somewhere? |
| 11:54:30 | funman | what? |
| 11:56:03 | ranma | It surprised me that for r25298 it still had the 3 red 3s since that only changed COMMITTERS |
| 11:56:46 | ranma | The size deltas look also a bit funky there (different build machines?) |
| 11:57:01 | Llorean | 25297 introduced the problem. Why would the 3s be gone from 25298 if it didn't fix the problem? |
| 11:57:30 | ranma | Ah, I thought that's because of the size difference? |
| 11:57:43 | Llorean | No, the top table is errors/warnings |
| 11:58:04 | gevaerts | click on the cells to get the build log |
| 11:58:23 | funman | bottom table is binsize but there are often small random variations (between -50 & 50) |
| 11:59:04 | funman | there are also bugs (see ipod nano 1g difference of 4784 bytes in r25298 although the commit is completely unrelated) |
| 11:59:07 | ranma | Ah, it's because of the Sim, I was thinking it wasn't a build-error because C200V2 builds fine for me but I missed that there are two columns, one for sim. |
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| 12:01:30 | * | funman just asked the as3543 datasheet to his AMS contact |
| 12:02:04 | ranma | Would be great if you'll get it :) |
| 12:02:06 | funman | ranma: if you toggle full/compact table there are 3 columns: normal, sim, bootloader |
| 12:02:42 | funman | ranma: would be greater if it's really a as3543 and not some incompatible previous/newer chip :/ |
| 12:08:44 | funman | hm, so Clip+ can't detect USB connection with a simple GPIO check (unlike Clipv1), that might explain why AUDIO interrupt is enabled in Clip+ OF (unlike Clipv1) => it would mean Clip+ OF use IRQENRD* |
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| 12:10:16 | * | funman decides to keep this work for later unless the AMS guy answers with the datasheet |
| 12:10:58 | Gartral | is there a way to skip compiling just the games? |
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| 12:13:04 | funman | make bin will only build the rockbox binary, no plugins/codecs |
| 12:13:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25305): Limit AUDIO_IRQ handling to AS3525, since it doesn't work on the newer SoC in SANSA_CLIPPLUS yet. |
| 12:13:29 | Gartral | hmm... i want all but the games to compile... c.c |
| 12:18:04 | ranma | The warning is intentional, it's "#warning USB_DETECT_PIN not defined for your target" |
| 12:18:34 | funman | shouldn't it be #ifndef USB_DETECT_PIN ? |
| 12:19:07 | ranma | Hmm... Yeah, that would be even better. |
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| 12:22:23 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25306): Make this properly dependend on the right defines instead of a blacklist. |
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| 12:26:37 | Gartral | i claim fastest build ever.. 14.3 seconds |
| 12:28:05 | Zagor | Gartral: ? |
| 12:28:57 | Gartral | from the time i hit return with make -j 8 in console, to the moment it returned me to prompt. 14.3 seconds |
| 12:29:09 | gevaerts | clean build? |
| 12:29:16 | Gartral | this is compileng for sansa e250 v1 |
| 12:29:22 | Gartral | yessir |
| 12:29:22 | Zagor | it strongly depends on which build you were running |
| 12:29:49 | Zagor | I hear gevaerts typing sql commands :) |
| 12:29:52 | Gartral | zagor whats the "worst"? |
| 12:30:04 | gevaerts | Zagor: you have good hearing :) |
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| 12:31:10 | Zagor | Gartral: ondavx747 |
| 12:31:14 | Gartral | Zagor: which build generally takes the longest? the D2? 9random guess) |
| 12:32:01 | * | Gartral checks to see if he has the right toolchain |
| 12:32:06 | Zagor | Gartral: you can see the scores here: http://www.rockbox.org/buildserver/builds |
| 12:32:18 | Zagor | the last number on each line is the score. higher score = longer build. |
| 12:32:21 | gevaerts | Gartral: sorry to disappoint you, but the database claims that r22288 for e200v1 was built in 10 seconds |
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| 12:33:05 | Zagor | Gartral: but please add your machine to the build farm and join the competition! :-) |
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| 12:33:47 | Zagor | Gartral: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuildClient |
| 12:33:47 | Gartral | Zagor: unfortuently i could only perenetly spare 2 threads (one core) 24/7 |
| 12:33:57 | Zagor | that's fine |
| 12:34:04 | Gartral | permenetly* |
| 12:34:12 | Zagor | every little helps |
| 12:34:34 | Zagor | you can tell the client to only use as X threads |
| 12:34:41 | Zagor | s/as// |
| 12:34:48 | Gartral | well.. one 3.1 ghz i7 core aint nuthing too sneeze at |
| 12:34:56 | Zagor | exactly |
| 12:35:21 | * | Gartral luvs his i7, but plays too many games >.> |
| 12:36:43 | Gartral | btw, im on a t1 dedi line, so speed will never be a problem |
| 12:37:36 | Zagor | excellent |
| 12:37:47 | TheSeven | meh, mine takes around 2 minutes for a nano2g build (after make clean) |
| 12:38:11 | Gartral | TheSeven: the nano builds are tiny.. that's not even competition |
| 12:38:24 | Gartral | all toolchains? |
| 12:38:40 | TheSeven | bigger than your e250 build iirc |
| 12:39:17 | Gartral | after make fullzip my build ends up at around 26 mb... |
| 12:39:38 | Zagor | they are very close. nano2g = 24239, e200 = 24379 |
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| 12:41:16 | Gartral | Zagor: should i include the arm-eabi toolchain? |
| 12:41:23 | Zagor | Gartral: not yet |
| 12:41:32 | Gartral | everything else? |
| 12:41:34 | Zagor | yes |
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| 12:41:54 | Gartral | what will "e" be used for/in? |
| 12:42:24 | Gartral | umm.. recompiling the arm toolchain wont screw anything up, will it? |
| 12:42:29 | Zagor | we have a proposal to upgrade to eabi for all arm targets |
| 12:42:44 | Zagor | Gartral: it shouldn't |
| 12:42:47 | Gartral | ok |
| 12:42:52 | mitk | Zagor: Can you consider adding "cd `dirname $0`" before while loop to runclient.sh? It will make easier to run it from cron. |
| 12:43:42 | Zagor | mitk: runclient.sh is never updated so you can modify it however you like. |
| 12:43:46 | Zagor | I have to run |
| 12:44:08 | Gartral | Zagor: i cannot garentee my habits wont interfere with my buildclient, does it matter if i go down? |
| 12:44:32 | Bagder | no |
| 12:44:38 | Bagder | you can come and go as you like |
| 12:45:18 | Gartral | ok! (ahh the wonders of vbox) |
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| 12:59:16 | Bagder | ranma: you know there's yellow in the table now, right? |
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| 13:03:26 | ranma | Badger: Yes. "12:18 < ranma> The warning is intentional, it's "#warning USB_DETECT_PIN not defined for your target" |
| 13:03:58 | * | Bagder takes reading lessons |
| 13:04:34 | GodEater | I thought we weren't keen on deliberate yellows |
| 13:04:40 | GodEater | since they can hide real ones |
| 13:05:00 | Bagder | well, I'd say it depends a bit on how long it'll linger |
| 13:05:20 | Bagder | but yeah, it makes it less apparent when new warnings pop up |
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| 13:05:40 | Gartral | Zagor: sory about that, did you need a rockbox user on my system for the build client? |
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| 13:06:43 | Bagder | Gartral: "Invent a personal (unique) name for -clientname" "Set -username to your IRC nickname, so we know who runs the client" |
| 13:07:33 | ranma | funman said for some of those the pins are known, if he could point me to where that is documented... |
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| 13:07:42 | Gartral | Bagder: but do i need to make a logon user named rockbox? >.> |
| 13:07:48 | Bagder | no |
| 13:08:42 | Bagder | Gartral: your client connects to the server, there's no connection from our side |
| 13:08:42 | GodEater | this is surely in the build client wiki page? |
| 13:08:42 | Bagder | yes http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuildClient |
| 13:09:08 | Soap_Hotel | Buschel (for logs?) - after a day of testing (31 buffer fills while listening) I heard no glitches with the latest DMA changes, EXCEPT one "hard crash" . The hard crash rendered the iPod unresponsive after a period of static through the headphones. The hard crash was at the start of buffering of a new album. Random Folder Advance was on at the time - perhaps it is the culprit. |
| 13:09:55 | Gartral | GodEater: the page doesnt explicetly say either way, all i saw was the "invent a uniqe name for -clientname=" |
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| 13:11:42 | Soap_Hotel | Buschel - Not that it means anything - but I haven't seen a crash like that since 2008ish - not that my normal listening habits are the most abusive by any means. I typically fire it up and never touch it again. |
| 13:14:44 | Gartral | my habit is thus: throw ever file into /MUSIC or /sdcard/MUSIC... setup the db and partyshuffle.. if i don't like the song - skip - |
| 13:16:00 | * | pamaury would like to see the graphs for binsize and ramsize with revision in abscissa... |
| 13:17:12 | Gartral | my svn co is hanging |
| 13:17:12 | Gartral | A rockbox/firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/system-s5l8700.c |
| 13:17:15 | Gartral | ohp, there we goes |
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| 13:22:33 | Gartral | ok, if i understand the instructions.. the runclient.sh and rbclient.py should be in the "root" of the source directories for rockbox, yes? |
| 13:24:24 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:24:38 | Bagder | in the same dir with apps, firmware, docs etc |
| 13:26:53 | Gartral | would 512 mb ram be enough? |
| 13:27:16 | Gartral | (this is all in a vm.. so everything is scalablr |
| 13:27:19 | Bagder | I think so |
| 13:28:33 | Gartral | alrighty.. starting client. hope i have everything right |
| 13:29:52 | Bagder | no worries, we'll just point fingers and laugh at you if anything goes wrong ;-P |
| 13:31:41 | Gartral | erm.. runclient cant find the python script |
| 13:31:54 | pamaury | gevaerts: no you think this is possible ? (see my comment about graphs) :) |
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| 13:31:57 | pamaury | *do |
| 13:32:21 | gevaerts | pamaury: you know about rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/graphs/ ? |
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| 13:32:37 | pamaury | oh no, thansk ;) |
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| 13:39:09 | Gartral | stupid ubuntu |
| 13:40:17 | Gartral | why would /usr/bin NOT be in PATH by default.... |
| 13:40:35 | * | gevaerts finds that hard to believe |
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| 13:41:28 | Gartral | /usr/sbin is there.. but i had to manually edit my $PATH to put /usr/bin after the build client script didnt find it |
| 13:42:03 | Dobson | hey, is there capability in roxkbox to play all music in folder (when there is more folders in it)? |
| 13:42:20 | Dobson | because i cant find it |
| 13:43:02 | gevaerts | Dobson: yes. That should be described in the manual |
| 13:43:04 | Gartral | 2010-03-23 08:42:33 I couldn't find 'curl' in your path. <.< really |
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| 13:44:00 | Gartral | echo $PATH returns /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/bin/:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/mipsel-elf/bin |
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| 13:51:11 | Gartral | so how do i tell what the buildclient is up to? |
| 13:51:59 | gevaerts | You might be interested in the hook script that's on the wiki |
| 13:52:31 | Bagder | now wait for a commit! |
| 13:53:17 | pamaury | call uchida :) |
| 13:54:07 | Gartral | how does one use the hook.sh? |
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| 13:55:20 | gevaerts | exactly as described |
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| 13:58:20 | Gartral | so basically.. put the hook.sh script in with he other two files and use ./runclient.sh -commandhook? |
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| 14:07:12 | Zagor | ranma: your AUDIO_IRQ commit in r25305 caused warnings on clip+ and clipv2: http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
| 14:07:55 | Bagder | haha, yeah it's been discussed already |
| 14:07:59 | Bagder | twice |
| 14:08:24 | Zagor | oh :) /me checks the log |
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| 14:11:52 | Zagor | yuck, intentional warnings. that's a no-no. |
| 14:12:34 | Zagor | if we added a warning for every feature not yet supported, the build table would never be green |
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| 14:21:21 | CIA-5 | New commit by zagor (r25308): No intentional warnings. |
| 14:24:45 | Gartral | lol.. yay.. im building |
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| 14:39:41 | Torne | soap: I think you are misunderstanding what the patch Buschel asked you to test does; it's nothing to do with DMA.. DMA has been in svn for ages, so any problems it causes would happen without any further patches. The patch Buschel asked for testing on just disables boosting while buffering, which should be sufficiently fast because of DMA, but has no actual effect on how the disk is accessed, it's already doing DMA. |
| 14:40:33 | Torne | soap: FS #9708 is not very easy to read; almost everything there is done and has been committed, the FS# is only still open because I was intending to align more buffers to cachelines for it, and because buschel was still testing no-boost.. |
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| 14:49:36 | Gartral | ttfn folks |
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| 15:08:10 | Gartral | if i start a new build folder for private use, will that pose any threat to the build client? |
| 15:10:13 | gevaerts | It's best to use a separate svn checkout for the build client |
| 15:10:43 | Gartral | ok.. i'll remember to keep them isolated.. |
| 15:11:25 | Gartral | stupid q: what ports should i open for the build client? |
| 15:13:52 | Zagor | Gartral: none. there is only one connection, and it's from you to the server |
| 15:14:15 | Zagor | so as long as you don't block outgoing connections you don't have to do anything |
| 15:15:20 | Gartral | my firewall restrics anything outbound that doesn't have a rule set.. right now my reported upload speed is 168 kb/s.. that should real close to 2024~ish |
| 15:15:29 | Gartral | s/real/read |
| 15:16:33 | Gartral | i didnt choose the hardware firewall.. AT&T did >.> i hate the damn thing |
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| 15:19:28 | * | Gartral fires up wireshark and answers his own question |
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| 15:33:12 | Gartral | on a serious note, are all uploads done over port 19999? |
| 15:33:12 | ranma | Zagor: Next time I know not to add one :) |
| 15:35:51 | pamaury | gevaerts: was it you that give me the name of a tool to sniff usb transfers (other than wireshark) ? |
| 15:37:03 | gevaerts | pamaury: not that I remember |
| 15:37:14 | gevaerts | Gartral: no, that's the control port. Uploads are http |
| 15:37:49 | pamaury | arg, I can't remember who give me that name (that I forgot of course) and can't find it in the log. There was a discussion about usb sniffing tools |
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| 15:44:52 | pamaury | no, it was a linux tool |
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| 19:44:40 | pamaury | did a recent commit break backlight ? |
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| 19:46:56 | funman | FlynDice: should we promote clipv2/clip+ to unstable ? (I use my Clip+ for listening without much problems) |
| 19:47:28 | funman | we could make a binary bootloader and attract more testers so regressions are spotted are faster |
| 19:47:31 | Luca_S | pamaury: on which platform? |
| 19:47:34 | pamaury | e200 |
| 19:48:15 | Battousai | funman: i might suggest waiting for storage write support |
| 19:48:30 | funman | pamaury: r25297/r25299 ? |
| 19:48:30 | pamaury | ah no it works again, strange |
| 19:49:17 | pamaury | no sorry, it seem to be back after a few reboots. I can't see how but why not |
| 19:49:49 | funman | Battousai: writing doesn't prevent testing sound/reading/i2c |
| 19:49:56 | funman | +lack of |
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| 19:52:43 | funman | for example my clip+ (and ThomasAH one) had sound prior to r25264 |
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| 19:58:24 | pamaury | I can't reproduce the HID bug during a big UMS transfer, does it is still happen ? I'm suprised because I tested it two months ago and I managed to reproduce it. |
| 19:59:53 | * | gevaerts will try |
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| 20:00:46 | pamaury | I changed my computer between tests though but I tried hard to reproduce it, writing a 100MB file and turning the wheel as fast as I can and nothing broke |
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| 20:04:37 | gevaerts | pamaury: it still triggers as easily as ever here |
| 20:04:59 | gevaerts | The first time I tried the HID code didn't pick up on the wheel until I pressed another button though |
| 20:05:27 | pamaury | I tried lots of thing (button,wheel, both). I'll need to start my hold computer to check then |
| 20:06:15 | gevaerts | I read from the device though. Maybe that makes a difference? |
| 20:06:20 | gevaerts | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=128k |
| 20:07:43 | pamaury | ah, let me try |
| 20:08:11 | gevaerts | I also run vmstat 1 to quickly see the effect |
| 20:08:23 | pamaury | what's that ? |
| 20:08:57 | gevaerts | "Report virtual memory statistics", but it does print block device io numbers as well |
| 20:09:12 | pamaury | What is this suppose to trigger ? I don't get any error |
| 20:09:20 | gevaerts | You could also use iotop I guess |
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| 20:10:10 | gevaerts | nothing in dmesg? |
| 20:11:35 | pamaury | ah, I got a reset indeed |
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| 20:27:00 | Blue_Dude | Another hotkey patch in FS #11081. This is ready to commit. The user interface will not change a bit since the defaults are mapped to current button functions. If someone has really good specific suggestions as to why we shouldn't have one optional configurable button, I'd like to hear it. "We don't do things that way" without some sort of rationale really isn't a good enough reason. |
| 20:28:04 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: No offense, but why do you get to decide what is or isn't a good enough reason? |
| 20:28:49 | Llorean | There's lots of things considered "no do" that are simply so because that's the decision that was made, and it's not one person's job to change that without first bringing it up to be wholly discussed again |
| 20:29:28 | TheSeven | Llorean: there's usually some well-described reason for that though, so it doesn't really apply to Blue_Dude's statement |
| 20:29:31 | Llorean | If you think it's "not good enough" bring it up on the list, and get a full accounting of opinions rather than deciding you're just going to change the way things are done unless someone satisfies your personal view of the matter. |
| 20:29:52 | Blue_Dude | As a developer, I want a rationale. I want the conversation. I came up with a solution that is transparent to the current user but expands capability without cost. I need to know why that's not good enough for committing. |
| 20:29:59 | Llorean | TheSeven: No configurable buttons and no configurable menus don't have an objective reason, though. They're just cases of "This was a decision made some time ago, and that's where it stands for the moment" |
| 20:30:12 | gevaerts | Blue_Dude: like it or not, configurable buttons seem to be on the unwritten NoDo list (the written one doesn't mention it...). As long as that's the case, I don't think this should go in without discussion. |
| 20:30:17 | TheSeven | Llorean: IIRC the main reason for that was additional support overhead |
| 20:30:39 | Blue_Dude | gevaerts: Well, that's why I'm here... |
| 20:30:48 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: As a developer, you also have a responsibility also to not override the decisions of many other of the developers, just because you feel "it's not good enough" and aren't willing to attempt to have the discussion again now that there is a solution. |
| 20:31:14 | Llorean | Realistically, if you want to change a "no do", you should bring it up on the list and wait about a week for responses. |
| 20:31:19 | Blue_Dude | Llorean: that's quite enough. I'm here to start the conversation. Shutting me down with "we don't do it that way" isn't enough. |
| 20:31:20 | gevaerts | I do want to do something about this though. I plan to put this (NoDo) on the agenda for DevCon, and I think every single NoDo should be confirmed at least once a year. The fact that people didn't like the idea five years ago should not hold things up |
| 20:31:47 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: I'm not shutting you down. I'm telling you that you should have the conversation rather than saying "you reason must convince me, or else I'm doing it" which is how you've presented it. |
| 20:31:52 | Llorean | It's not your decision exclusively |
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| 20:32:05 | Llorean | gevaerts: That makes a lot of sense |
| 20:32:06 | gevaerts | I *especially* dislike the NoDo things that are not mentioned on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo |
| 20:32:23 | Blue_Dude | Llorean: I've been asking for feedback for three weeks. I've heard no objections other than, we don't do that. |
| 20:32:52 | TheSeven | Blue_Dude: you should ask such things on the mailing list |
| 20:32:58 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: I've seen one post from you about it on the list. |
| 20:32:59 | Blue_Dude | I did. |
| 20:33:03 | Llorean | Sorry, two now |
| 20:33:11 | Llorean | And they didn't attempt to discuss the configurable buttons topic at all |
| 20:33:13 | Blue_Dude | I've also posted here and in FS. |
| 20:33:17 | Llorean | You just said "I've got a patch, and I want to commit it" |
| 20:33:42 | Blue_Dude | Well, I guess now it's really out there. Opinions, please? |
| 20:33:48 | Llorean | Maybe start a thread on the list explicitly stating you'd like the idea of configurable buttons to be reconsidered |
| 20:33:56 | gevaerts | Llorean: to be honest, the email is quite clear about what the patch does |
| 20:34:04 | Llorean | Then use your patch as an example of how this can be done in a mostly harmless way |
| 20:34:18 | Blue_Dude | Well, hell, that's what I thought I was doing... |
| 20:34:25 | gevaerts | Llorean: is there a place somewhere where we can see how the decision not to allow configurable keymaps was reached? |
| 20:34:46 | Llorean | gevaerts: I'm pretty sure it predates my involvment with thins. |
| 20:34:52 | Llorean | It's an old, and almost certainly outdated, decision |
| 20:35:06 | Llorean | But I still maintain that it's not a single person's role to override something like this. |
| 20:35:41 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: A lot about how you present something makes a big difference. Try the subject "Configurable Keymaps" rather than "Hotkey patch" which is ambiguous. It's entirely possible people haven't even read your email |
| 20:36:05 | Blue_Dude | Llorean: If I really wanted to override everyone's decision, I would have just typed svn ci and been done with it. I'm here because I do NOT want to commit without discussion. |
| 20:36:30 | Llorean | Blue_Dude: Above you set a requirement of you being convinced with good reasons, and unwilling to accept the current reason |
| 20:36:42 | Llorean | Your phrasing implies that if you aren't given new reasons, you're going to commit (thus overriding) |
| 20:36:46 | TheSeven | for instance, I didn't notice at first that this discussion is referring to that email, when I asked you to post that on the list :-P |
| 20:37:35 | Llorean | My suggestion is that you make it clear you're going to hold off on committing until there's at least some small referendum or similar on whether the old policy is worth keeping around |
| 20:38:04 | Llorean | It's pretty likely it's going to be changed, given opinions these days, but it's just somewhat rude to override long standing things without at least making sure people all know what's going on. |
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| 20:38:22 | Llorean | And making sure goes a little beyond "hoping they read an email that isn't clearly about the topic" |
| 20:38:23 | Blue_Dude | Sounds good. I'll continue my own private beta test unless some kind of consensus is reached. If any. |
| 20:41:26 | AlexP | I don't mind a configurable hotkey button if the button is otherwise unused |
| 20:42:06 | Llorean | I actually suggested a configurable hotkey button almost exactly like this patch almost two years ago |
| 20:42:08 | saratoga | saying you are about to commit is usually the only way to get someone to look at a patch :) |
| 20:42:11 | Llorean | So I think it's pretty clear where I stand |
| 20:42:19 | AlexP | saratoga: There is truth in that :) |
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| 20:42:43 | saratoga | in that sense I'm ready to commit the changes to the power off button that makes holding power turn off the player even if another button is held down |
| 20:42:55 | saratoga | because it works on every player i can test and no one else seems to think its a problem :) |
| 20:42:55 | * | evilnick_B thinks that the nodo page should be clear on exactly how to invite more discussion on a nodo item |
| 20:43:00 | AlexP | saratoga: For which player? |
| 20:43:06 | saratoga | AlexP: all of them |
| 20:43:12 | * | evilnick_B is well aware that it is a wiki though :) |
| 20:43:17 | AlexP | saratoga: How does that affect button combos? |
| 20:43:27 | AlexP | And I assume not all, as some have hardware restrictions |
| 20:43:32 | saratoga | AlexP: FS #10887 - Change poweroff to only check that the power button is pressed |
| 20:44:06 | saratoga | the power off threshold is longer then the normal long hold threshold, but it does over lap on the H10 for AB mode |
| 20:44:30 | saratoga | and e200v1/v2, but in my testing i was able to use AB mode fine with it |
| 20:44:52 | * | TheSeven is wondering if he should bring up that "no fancy bootloaders" no-do. |
| 20:45:14 | saratoga | if a target can't brick from a bootloader i don't think that really applies |
| 20:45:27 | saratoga | we've talked about USB mode and all sorts of stuff in the PP bootloaders for ages since theres no brick risk there |
| 20:45:40 | Llorean | I assume he means menus and such? |
| 20:45:43 | AlexP | saratoga: I guess it isn't an issue, as if you hit the other button of the combo in time then it does that and the poweroff is "cancelled", and if you don't then it would poweroff anyway |
| 20:45:45 | saratoga | ah |
| 20:45:47 | saratoga | well yeah thats kind of weird |
| 20:45:48 | * | Llorean would really like to have a _fast_ booting Rockbox back, actually |
| 20:45:58 | Llorean | My GIgabeast is beginning to frustrate me with boot up times |
| 20:46:19 | * | TheSeven likes to have configurable boot so that users can choose between menus (for devs that like to have like 4 boot options) or fast boot |
| 20:46:23 | saratoga | AlexP: IIRC what happens is you get AB mode and then if you keep holding down the combo for like another second or so you'll eventually power off |
| 20:46:39 | saratoga | but presumably you let go of the buttons once the screen changes, or at least reasonably soon after wards |
| 20:46:43 | AlexP | That should maybe be a longer difference |
| 20:46:46 | Llorean | TheSeven: Given that Rockbox is meant to be a primary standalone replacement, I don't think boot options with a list is likely |
| 20:46:55 | saratoga | well i don't know that i like making power off take even longer |
| 20:46:57 | AlexP | TheSeven: I'm dead against a boot menu |
| 20:47:08 | TheSeven | concerning the bricking risk: on brickable targets (like nano2g), this wouldn't be done in a brickable stage, so it would have recovery code in front of it. |
| 20:47:09 | Llorean | TheSeven: Is there a reason for your 4 boot options you can't just add more directions/buttons to hold? |
| 20:47:23 | pixelma | are there really targets with completely unused buttons? |
| 20:47:27 | AlexP | saratoga: But I think it is a bit harsh to give people 1 second only |
| 20:47:51 | saratoga | AlexP: i don't remember the exact time, but it was long enough that i wasn't able to accidentally trigger it without holding the buttons unnaturally long |
| 20:47:56 | saratoga | and really, its AB mode |
| 20:48:02 | saratoga | who the hell actually uses AB mode :) |
| 20:48:10 | AlexP | saratoga: OK, if it is a reasonable time, then I have no objections |
| 20:48:15 | AlexP | true :) |
| 20:48:28 | saratoga | i would like someone to test on the H10 though |
| 20:48:32 | TheSeven | Llorean: well, the rockbox bootloader currently only supports booting the OF by flicking the hold switch fast enogh after powering on, which isn't really comfortable |
| 20:48:34 | saratoga | in case its buttons somehow work differently |
| 20:48:48 | Llorean | TheSeven: I take it you're judging by one player? |
| 20:48:53 | Llorean | I thought a lot of players you could hold a button |
| 20:49:16 | saratoga | i thought that was just due to a limitation on the older iPods |
| 20:49:20 | TheSeven | we actually could do that on nano2g, too, but it hasn't been done yet |
| 20:49:23 | saratoga | couldn't we just fix it to work like other players? |
| 20:49:59 | saratoga | although honestly from a support standpoint, maybe having a menu pop up if you hold left or hold switch is better for us then giving users a long list of buttons they can hold down while booting . . . |
| 20:50:02 | pixelma | I also though you could also boot to the OF by holding a different button (menu?) |
| 20:50:02 | TheSeven | yes, but i still like to have it sitting in a boot menu after powering up, *waiting* for a button press, so that i don't miss it all the time |
| 20:50:18 | Llorean | Honestly, I don't like the hold switch being one of the OF triggers, because too many players can boot from USB, charger, or even headphone insertion |
| 20:50:26 | AlexP | Things like USB mode in the bootloader, sure |
| 20:50:27 | saratoga | that seems like something you could make a compile time switch and just leave in for developers |
| 20:50:34 | AlexP | A boot menu, no thanks |
| 20:50:39 | AlexP | saratoga: Agreed |
| 20:50:45 | AlexP | If at all |
| 20:50:46 | TheSeven | AlexP: that's why it would be configurable |
| 20:50:47 | * | Llorean thinks that a debug bootloader makes sense |
| 20:50:53 | Llorean | Show debug info, and pause before booting. |
| 20:51:17 | saratoga | TheSeven: why not just a configure option for that? give users the default one, and people who do development can build the development one |
| 20:51:55 | * | AlexP is still not a fan |
| 20:52:03 | TheSeven | that would of course be an option, although i like it if i can just put a config file on it that configures the behavior (and if there is none, it will just boot rockbox) |
| 20:52:23 | saratoga | assuming reading the flash from the bootloader is safe, that seems fine to me as well |
| 20:52:30 | saratoga | as long as normal people don't have to deal with it |
| 20:52:34 | AlexP | TheSeven: That slows it down |
| 20:52:37 | TheSeven | saratoga: the main binary is also read from the flash |
| 20:52:45 | * | Llorean wants faster boots, not more steps in them |
| 20:52:47 | saratoga | i assume theres no performance penalty for reading a file on flash anyway |
| 20:52:50 | Llorean | They've already gotten quite slow |
| 20:52:51 | AlexP | Especially on HD targets |
| 20:52:55 | TheSeven | looking for 2 directory entries instead of one maybe slows it down by a millisecond... |
| 20:53:02 | saratoga | sure but the nano isn't a HD target |
| 20:53:13 | saratoga | yeah thats what i figured |
| 20:53:22 | AlexP | saratoga: Right, but I assume that we wouldn't have a policy change and introduce a menu on one target only |
| 20:53:29 | * | Llorean is just tired of more and more things getting piled in because "it only slows the boot down by a tiny amount" |
| 20:53:40 | * | Llorean now has a player that takes two or three times as long to boot as it used ot |
| 20:53:41 | TheSeven | and honestly my proof-of-concept bootloader for this is still faster than what the rockbox bootloader currently is |
| 20:53:56 | saratoga | AlexP: i don't see why a policy chance is a problem here, since theres no cost to it |
| 20:54:12 | saratoga | we should approach this on a target per target basis depending on the limitations and capabilities of the hardware |
| 20:54:16 | AlexP | On no targets at all? |
| 20:54:22 | saratoga | IMO as long as the default is the same on all rockbox targets we are consistent |
| 20:54:36 | saratoga | additional features that help development don't matter to users |
| 20:54:37 | TheSeven | well, we can just keep it like it currently is, and have fancy bootloaders outside of the rockbox tree |
| 20:54:47 | saratoga | we could but i dislike that |
| 20:54:48 | AlexP | And unsupported :) |
| 20:54:53 | saratoga | rockbox development tools belong in rockbox |
| 20:55:04 | saratoga | though we may not support them anyway :) |
| 20:55:34 | AlexP | This sounds like a devcon decision |
| 20:55:37 | TheSeven | that's something similar to how we handle those fastboot hacks |
| 20:56:02 | TheSeven | the tools for them are in place, but if it fails, nobody will bother |
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| 20:56:52 | Llorean | Could Rockbox, after booting, present a boot menu? |
| 20:57:02 | saratoga | and then rolo into something else? |
| 20:57:03 | Llorean | For example, could Autorock load Rolo which is an OS choice menu? |
| 20:57:19 | Llorean | I mean, don't we basically have the framework in place already? |
| 20:57:24 | saratoga | seems like it might be undesirable for development, since rockbox is going to touch all sorts of hardware registers |
| 20:57:35 | saratoga | so you'd end up in a different state then a fresh boot |
| 20:57:43 | saratoga | which may be an issue while debugging |
| 20:57:51 | pixelma | Llorean: woulb be cool if you could fgure out which commit increased the boottime noticeably. Suspect is some sbs stuff but no-one measured yet... |
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| 20:58:01 | Llorean | Well, if it's for development, wouldn't it just be a compile time option then rather than something based on a .cfg file check? |
| 20:58:08 | Llorean | It wouldn't need to be in release bootloaders at all |
| 20:58:28 | saratoga | i don't see much difference between the two approaches |
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| 20:58:45 | saratoga | compile time vs. runtime check are basically the same thing here |
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| 20:58:52 | AlexP | Llorean: I also agree it is longer, but as I haven't bothered to find out what caused it I haven't investigated |
| 20:59:00 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, I do want to do that at some point. Honestly, I was hoping someone else would, since the machine I used to compile on died recently. I doubt this netbook builds quickly. :) |
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| 20:59:59 | pixelma | my problem is that I don't have a HD target anymore and after some of the later splash fixes it got a bit better again, making it hard to measure for me |
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| 21:00:05 | Llorean | saratoga: Well, runtime means if someone has a file around with the wrong name it could be picked up, or any other potential problems it has could be passed on to users. If it's a dev tool it's not sensible to even bother exposing them to it |
| 21:00:29 | saratoga | Llorean: thats not really something I would worry about |
| 21:00:45 | saratoga | compile time just means if someone uses the wrong build they end up with it |
| 21:00:53 | saratoga | IMO both are vanishingly unlikely |
| 21:00:56 | TheSeven | concerning breakage: did somebody investigate what caused the shutdown splash to disappear, and those additional backdrop blits while navigating through menus? |
| 21:01:13 | saratoga | we lost the shutdown splash? |
| 21:01:33 | TheSeven | yes, the backdrop is blitted over if some milliseconds after it's being displayed |
| 21:01:41 | saratoga | i think i have it circa 25100 on my clip |
| 21:01:41 | pixelma | TheSeven: didn't tonight's revert help there? |
| 21:01:46 | TheSeven | i haven't checked if it was fixed during the last days, but when i last updated, it was broken |
| 21:01:54 | saratoga | ah jd's commit on Saturday ? |
| 21:01:57 | saratoga | i think thats fixed now |
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| 21:03:50 | TheSeven | let me check |
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| 21:05:40 | pixelma | we expect users to try with the most recent revision before complaining too ;) |
| 21:05:59 | TheSeven | i didn't complain, i just asked if someone already fixed it |
| 21:06:12 | TheSeven | (building r25310 right now) |
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| 21:14:04 | saratoga | asking if you need to fix something is different then complaining about it being broken :) |
| 21:14:47 | liar | TheSeven: would it be hard to port your dma driven lcd driver to rockbox? |
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| 21:20:06 | pixelma | asking if someone investigated yet made it sound to me as if it wasn't fixed yet because I assumed someone would try the latest before asking |
| 21:21:02 | pixelma | and it's different from asking if it had been fixed yet |
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| 21:21:56 | TheSeven | liar: it wouldn't make much sense |
| 21:22:20 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t, soap: thanks for testing. So, there is no obvious failure introduced by my change. and of course −− as Torne stated −− all the DMA-stuff is already in svn since a while. my change is only a minor 4-lines-of-code add-on. |
| 21:22:45 | TheSeven | we would have to wait for the dma transfer to finish before returning from the function, or something will corrupt the display buffer while it's still transferring |
| 21:23:02 | TheSeven | so we will either get no speedup at all, or we will have to implement double-buffering, which means no huge speedup either |
| 21:23:29 | Buschel | Torne: Don't you think we should close fs#9708 to avoid misunderstanding? I could create a new flyspray entry. You can also add a new entry for your upcoming alignment patches... |
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| 21:25:22 | TheSeven | and yes, the drawing issue has been fixed |
| 21:26:17 | funman | Torne: are all data transfers aligned on a cache line size now? (shouldn't STORAGE_ALIGN_MASK be CACHEALIGN_SIZE-1 then?) |
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| 21:47:02 | Torne | Buschel: could do |
| 21:48:44 | Buschel | Torne: Then let's do it. Will you close the fs #9708? I will create another one for the buffering w/o boost |
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| 21:50:32 | Torne | done |
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| 21:51:10 | Buschel | ok |
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| 22:04:06 | FlynDice | funman: (logs) re: moving clip+ to unstable I listened to my clip+ for 7 hrs yesterday with no hiccups whatsoever. Yes there are some things that won't work without SD writes available but I would call our condition right now as very usable. I think calling it unstable now is quite reasonable. |
| 22:05:05 | gevaerts | no write support hasn't traditionally been a reason to keep ports out of unstable |
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| 22:28:27 | CIA-5 | New commit by b0hoon (r25311): Packard Bell Vibe 500: remove the old bootloader code (actually a lack of code) and make the main-pp.c acting like a true bootloader for the DAP. It's ... |
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| 22:30:07 | Battousai | in that case i'd agree with unstable |
| 22:30:29 | Battousai | it does work well |
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| 22:35:04 | b0hoon | red... :S |
| 22:36:01 | gevaerts | b0hoon: did that commit change the name of the output file? |
| 22:37:04 | b0hoon | gevaerts: yes, bootloader is now 'jukebox.mi4', normal build:'rockbox.mi4' |
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| 22:37:35 | gevaerts | b0hoon: ok, so I guess the bootloader should be added to the build system, and the expected output file for the main build has to be changed |
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| 22:40:26 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25312): Add vibe500 bootloader and change the main build expected output file name |
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| 22:41:40 | b0hoon | gevaerts: thanks a lot |
| 22:42:51 | b0hoon | i guess i must have a full svn version to do things like that myself |
| 22:43:39 | gevaerts | The builds file is in svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www/buildserver |
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| 22:49:50 | domonoky | b0hoon: so the vibe500 now uses a standard pp bootloader like h10 ? can it load the of from /system/OF.mi4 ? |
| 22:50:44 | b0hoon | domonoky: yes, it is possible to boot the OF through the OK button. |
| 22:51:30 | domonoky | nice. so for rbutil support we just need a new entry like the h10 in rbutil.ini and everything will work :-) |
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| 22:51:46 | b0hoon | gevaerts: what is the number after the "type" parameter? |
| 22:52:11 | gevaerts | the build score, a number that's used by the build system to allocate builds |
| 22:52:12 | b0hoon | domonoky: yes, i think so :) |
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| 23:07:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r25313): Save System Trace on exit and allow easy retrieval after restart. ... |
| 23:09:04 | b0hoon | gevaerts: how is this number designated? |
| 23:09:50 | bluebrother | why on earth does Rec take me to the playlist viewer on e200 and h100? How is Rec related to the playlist? |
| 23:09:57 | gevaerts | b0hoon: it's the build time in centiseconds on one of my machines. In this case I just picked something near the average of the PP bootloaders though. |
| 23:10:05 | gevaerts | I do calibration runs every now and then |
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| 23:11:38 | b0hoon | :-) so in case of adding sim build i should take some average value? |
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| 23:11:56 | gevaerts | yes, look for similar sims, or ping me |
| 23:13:10 | gevaerts | If it's not too far off things will be fine. There are bigger inaccuracies in the allocation system |
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