#rockbox 2010-03-28

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00:23:01	superDAU	can somebody else tell me how to format from the original firmware?
00:24:17	Llorean	superDAU: It's just an option somewhere.
00:25:47	saratoga_lab	is lua supposed to be disabled on the sansa clip?
00:25:58	saratoga_lab	it looks like a bug to me given the comment but i'm not sure
00:27:13	saratoga_lab	if it is we should remove the lua plugins from the build
00:27:23	saratoga_lab	or else fix the define so that it compiles
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00:33:20	domonoky	it disabled because the plugin-buf is so small on clip.
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00:35:14	saratoga_lab	yeah but the comment says it needs 128KB of RAM while the plugin buffer is abotu 400KB
00:35:28	saratoga_lab	so either the comment or the define is wrong, just wondering which
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00:40:18	*	domonoky sees completly different numbers, but the comment in SUBDIRS is still wrong.
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00:42:05	domonoky	plugin buf on clip is ~280k, comment in SUBDIRS says lua needs > 160k and checks for >= 512k
00:44:11	domonoky	maybe the author didnt know we have now at least 3 different plugin buffer sizes, very small on old archos, medium on newer 2M targets and big on big-mem targets ?
00:48:07	Minataku	Well, a lower limit is a lower limit
00:48:46	Minataku	You can try to crush the code size down farther, but aside from installing more RAM, which isn't possible on a lot of these MCUs/SoCs, you're stuck
00:49:58	Minataku	Fact is, if it's a target with a small amount of work RAM, you're going to be a little limited.
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01:16:19	saratoga_lab	Minataku: its probably not necessary that you explain to us what memory means ;)
01:16:30	saratoga_lab	most of us have done a little bit of programming before
01:17:32	Minataku	saratoga_lab: I'm new here, I don't know the developers from the morons off the street yet
01:17:33	Minataku	lol
01:18:34	Llorean	No offense, but your comment wasn't particularly relevant to the question anyway
01:19:02	Minataku	I had also just gotten back to my computer
01:19:04	Minataku	>.<
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03:53:46	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25360): Fuzev2: fix lcd
03:56:48	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25361): Fuzev2: simulator
03:57:24	RadicalR	Wow, funman is busy tonight.
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04:28:11	flyback	http://sleeperspaceborn.bandcamp.com/track/point-of-departure-2008 <−− awesome remix of a old andy "necros" sega, mod music track
04:28:49	Llorean	flyback: Please remember that this channel is for discussion of the Rockbox software/project.
04:28:59	flyback	ok
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04:30:21	flyback	but rockbox does play .mod and .mp3
04:30:50	Llorean	Yes, but suggesting music is still off-topic for this channel.
04:30:57	Llorean	It's for support and development.
04:30:59	flyback	ok :D
04:31:09	flyback	you wouldn't know anything about c100 series would you?
04:31:48	Llorean	Pretty much everything should be on the wiki, I imagine.
04:31:52	Llorean	Or possibly in the relevant forum thread.
04:32:05	flyback	not there :)
04:35:20	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25362): Add fuzev2 boot+build to the buildsystem. Not the simulator since it's identical to fuze(v1) simulator)
04:37:04	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25363): Add fuzev2 to unusable section
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04:41:31	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25364): Fuzev2: add dithering option for mpegplayer
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04:45:11	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25365): mkamsboot: add fuzev2 OF 2.02.31
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04:58:02	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25366): Fix Fuzev2 OF version
04:59:09	saratoga_lab	well so now we have a fuzev2 port
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05:03:02	RadicalR	sweet. Can't wait for the post.
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05:07:31	RadicalR	Well, that was fast. (Checked the forums.) I'm flashing my fuzev2 right now.
05:07:45	RadicalR	First backing the music off of it though.
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05:09:42	RadicalR	Hello funman.
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05:09:54	RadicalR	I saw your post on the forum.
05:10:01	funman	hi
05:10:02	RadicalR	I'm flashing the fuze in a few minutes.
05:10:20	funman	music shouldn't disappear but backups never harm
05:10:34	RadicalR	Exactly what I'm doing.
05:10:46	RadicalR	Backup should be done in about 10 minutes.
05:11:09	S_a_i_n_t	Eerrrgh...sounds kinda slow.
05:11:18	RadicalR	It's an 8 gig model.
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05:11:27	S_a_i_n_t	Still.
05:11:43	RadicalR	Who knows. Might finish faster.
05:11:49	S_a_i_n_t	Oh, no, sorry that's abot right.
05:11:55	S_a_i_n_t	*about
05:12:29	RadicalR	I already got the files on the player, so once I disconnect, it should be all set to go.
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05:32:11	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25367): Fuzev2: edit config ...
05:32:51	RadicalR	funman
05:32:57	RadicalR	I just flashed it.
05:33:01	RadicalR	Black screen
05:33:14	funman	hm same here
05:33:19	funman	it worked moments ago
05:33:31	RadicalR	OF is fine though :)
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06:10:38	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25368): Fuzev2: fix LCD
06:10:41	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25369): as3525v2: silence bootloader
06:11:04	RadicalR	Looks like it's fixed now.
06:12:56	RadicalR	I'll wait a few minutes for it to be compiled
06:13:00	RadicalR	and then I'll give it another go.
06:13:15	funman	no need to update bootloader if you still have it
06:13:30	RadicalR	okay.
06:16:35	funman	i updated my post & the patched OF on my server
06:17:06	RadicalR	It's alive!
06:17:20	RadicalR	Screen is really dim, like you said.
06:17:27	RadicalR	but it works!
06:17:38	funman	ok, 1 more "first type" screen
06:18:00	funman	perhaps they were testing another screen and just left their debug code
06:18:55	RadicalR	Perhaps.
06:19:14	RadicalR	But thank you funman.
06:19:22	RadicalR	It's nice to see rockbox on my fuze :)
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06:33:28	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25370): Fuzev2: cleanup backlight code (still not working correctly)
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07:57:25	Gartral	alright, i know the mr500 is supported now, but what about it's sighted brother: the m:robe 500i? will rockbox work on that (with or without the camera.. i have a real camera for pictures)
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08:05:50	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25371): Fuzev2: it seems we need to set bit 3 when selecting PMU subregister ...
08:13:41	funman	I tried removing clock disabling in ascodec-as3525.c to be sure the subregister is 'remembered' but no luck
08:14:46	Gartral	alright, i know the mr500 is supported now, but what about it's sighted brother: the m:robe 500i? will rockbox work on that?
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08:15:49	funman	Gartral: your message went through the first time. If someone knows the answer they will tell you
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08:16:36	Gartral	funman: i have join/part messages surpressed, so i was rebroadcasting in hopes that there were new people in chanel
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08:48:44	Byte	hello
08:49:45	Byte	is anyone here?
08:50:37	saratoga_lab	theres like a hundred people here
08:50:41	mitk	Byte: Just say your story :)
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11:12:17	Kaervek	hi everyone, i have a 6th generation iPod, which is not supported by rockbox, and i wondered if that was only a matter of time, of if something special with that version made it impossible for rockbox to run on it?
11:12:57	Kaervek	(i also have a 1st gen iPod mini running rockbox and it works great!)
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12:19:53	AlexP	Kaervek: The linux4nano chaps found an exploit, but nothing more has been done. Now someone who wants it enough needs to put in the massive amount of work needed.
12:23:37	JdGordon	the question of theme user settings popped up again in the forums (someway to allow the wps/sbs to be user configurable without adding bloat to the core)... http://pastebin.com/casP0nvq shows sort of how I think this could be done
12:24:18	JdGordon	the idea would be that we try to force themers to work together to create a list of common settings so a single .scfg would work on many themes (which implement those settings of course)
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12:26:47	gevaerts	JdGordon: that could be a nice idea in general, but if you're referring to the date format thread, I think that maybe that should have a specific solution
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12:27:41	JdGordon	I am, but no I tihnk this sort of thing would go well there. unless a single new tag is added to display it in the full format then the themer still has to respect the setting
12:27:47	JdGordon	and do all the different combos
12:28:11	JdGordon	hmm...it could actually be very doable to allow wps snippets inside these config things!
12:28:30	gevaerts	port cpp!
12:28:43	JdGordon	%z\|time\|code <- setup
12:28:50	JdGordon	%z\|time\| <- usage
12:29:02	JdGordon	time: %cH:%cM <- in the config
12:29:14	JdGordon	thats should actually be pretty simple!
12:30:31	gevaerts	that would work, except for the obviou namespace issue. If these are in the general config file I think it should be "skin time" or something like that there
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12:31:03	JdGordon	no, not the general config. I seperate one which themers define the settings
12:31:04	gevaerts	You don't want people to suddenly set the volume to %pv )
12:31:12	gevaerts	ok, that's fine then
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12:32:13	JdGordon	with a bit of help from the them site, getting a listing of the "defined" settings woiuld be useful
12:32:19	*	scorche points people towards http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevConEuro2010
12:32:47	scorche	have any ideas for items up for discussion at DevCon?....list them there
12:33:08	JdGordon	the NoDo "list"
12:33:40	scorche	yeah, i knew that would be put on there...go ahead and edit the page ;)
12:33:54	*	gevaerts is on it :)
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12:40:53	topik	gevaerts is on the NoDo list? that seems harsh
12:41:17	gevaerts	I disagree! I don't want to be a rockbox feature!
12:41:36	AlexP	too late :)
12:42:02	gevaerts	AlexP: I'm on the NoDo list, so I'm fine :)
12:42:14	AlexP	:)
12:42:46	*	domonoky wants gevaerts.rock :-)
12:43:02	AlexP	domonoky: see ZZ Top
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12:45:12	topik	if that happens, someone will campaign to change 'rock' to 'rocks'
12:46:03	kunal	JdGordon, hello
12:46:23	JdGordon	hi
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12:48:41	kunal	i want to take up the project Clean up the radio code..
12:49:09	kunal	i am new to rockbox, but i have read and tried to understand the radio code
12:49:30	AlexP	That's a good start :)
12:50:26	kunal	i read somewhere that the module is not generic for all types of players...
12:50:48	kunal	and the task here is to make it generic and clean the code..
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12:56:27	JdGordon	something like that
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13:43:42	JdGordon	anyone up for testing a quick patch in a few min?
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13:47:24	archivator	I've been toying with flite the past few days and... well, porting it would be difficult by itself. Making it fixed point adds an entire dimension on the problem..
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14:06:48	JdGordon	I want to be able to have tokens call the parser again but put the new tokens in a seperate array which I cant do at the memonet (i.e for the playlist viewer)
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14:29:03	JdGordon	can we do august instead?
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16:00:55	JdGordon	kugel: pretty much... looking at the charts it was the obvious pick
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16:10:18	lxsys	shold my iriver H10 get really really hot when it's charging from empty?
16:12:13	archivator	lxsys: is that only with rockbox or in general?
16:12:49	AlexP	kugel: Yes, people are buying flights etc.
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16:12:58	lxsys	archivator: in general, it wasn't in rockbox when it was charging.
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16:13:56	fragilematter	lxsys: moderately, mine doesn't get unbearably hot
16:14:15	fragilematter	hello peeps
16:14:21	lxsys	fragilematter: ok, thanks.
16:14:56	fragilematter	lxsys: you're welcome
16:15:05	soap	pixelma, Yea, the fact you're at the end of a playlist is so abstracted that I think it is non-intuitive (not to mention a significant battery waste). I don't understand why when, during buffering, Rockbox sees it has space on the buffer it doesn't go ahead and determine the next folder to load in either of the folder advance (or repeat) modes.
16:16:03	JdGordon	because playlist.c is stupid :)
16:16:11	JdGordon	it should do that
16:16:12	fragilematter	lxsys: are you using a recent rockbox build?
16:16:13	JdGordon	no question
16:16:17	soap	For the user who doesn't explicitly look at the created dynamic playlist the behavior is non-intuitive. I'd be like "Rockbox knows what track comes next, why isn't it showing it?"
16:16:30	GArik	Hi
16:16:57	GArik	Is it possible to port rockbox to iriver t-10 as a gsoc project?
16:17:09	JdGordon	soap: there is also a technical reason which is boring, and a possible work around which isnt nice
16:17:18	JdGordon	GArik: we generally dont like ports as gsoc projects
16:17:22	JdGordon	too many unknowns
16:17:29	linuxstb	GArik: You could certainly propose it. But we would want to be sure it would succeed.
16:17:34	soap	I didn't know there was a technical reason. Is there somewhere I can read up on that?
16:17:45	lxsys	fragilemattter: it was in the "usb mode" from the original firmware at the time
16:18:10	GArik	there seems a lot of documentation about t-10
16:18:15	fragilematter	lxsys: I'm asking because I am trying to investigate a problem I am having with my h10
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16:18:28	GArik	and i have one device
16:18:31	linuxstb	GArik: What CPU is it?
16:18:37	fragilematter	I get noise on start-up, and it appears that the fm chip is the source
16:18:40	JdGordon	soap: I doubt it. its got to do with how playlists are stored, maybe thats something for the devcon code session?
16:18:50	GArik	some arm cpu by samsung
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16:19:10	lxsys	fragilematter: i'll have a listen on mine.
16:19:23	fragilematter	lxsys: thanks
16:19:41	Llorean	GArik: Is it already known how to load custom firmware onto it?
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16:19:53	Llorean	And, the steps necessary to disassemble their firmware?
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16:20:38	GArik	yes, there is some articles on http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/
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16:22:21	linuxstb	GArik: Do you have any experience with this sort of work?
16:24:19	GArik	i have experience in programming on C and asm, but no experience in programming for such devices
16:24:31	lxsys	fragilematter: no, sorry nothing on startup, apart from the clicking of the amplifier powering up. i did hear some strange digital noises, coming though weak on the radio across all channels, but i'm not sure of it's importance.
16:25:06	fragilematter	lxsys: thanks, on mine it behaves quite differently
16:25:33	linuxstb	GArik: I think for us to be confident of you succeeding, you would need to start work on the project before SoC - i.e. now. As others have said, we're nervous of new ports for SoC.
16:25:56	fragilematter	I start it up and I can heal white noise equivalent to -65db or so, that continues even if I play back something
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16:26:08	fragilematter	s/heal/hear
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16:26:38	linuxstb	GArik: And even then, we couldn't guarantee you would be selected - it depends on the other project proposals and students, and how many student slots Google gives us.
16:27:01	fragilematter	lxsys: and it stops if I start the radio and then return to playback
16:27:38	lxsys	fragilematter: hmmm... thats really strange. you can hear radio, right?
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16:28:21	fragilematter	lxsys: radio works properly, however, it looks like it isn't muted/disabled after power-up
16:28:53	lxsys	fragilematter: exactly what i was thinking. you got a 5/6 or a 20gb??
16:29:09	selectohh	does anyone know, for a plugin, the apps/plugins/CATEGORIES file compiles to? i'd like to compile a plugin without having to copy the whole rockbox build to a player (if i just copy the rock file, it says "incompatible version", i'm assuming because of the lack of ../plugins/CATEGORIES?
16:29:22	fragilematter	lxsys: a 6gb, but the fm chip is handled the same afaik
16:30:25	linuxstb	selectohh: IIUC, CATEGORIES just tells the "buildzip.pl" script where to put the .rock files. Your problem is something else.
16:30:42	Llorean	selectohh: "incompatible version" means the plugin wasn't compiled against the same version of Rockbox as is on your player.
16:31:00	Llorean	You're going to need to update the whole build on your player at least once to whatever version you're compiling
16:31:06	lxsys	fragilematter: the original firmware works ok?
16:31:14	Llorean	Then, assuming you don't SVN update and only change the plugin, you should be able to just copy the .rock
16:31:32	selectohh	linuxstb + llorean: oh. thanks. the one i'm compiling on is an older version than the one on the player, i figured it would work "backwards"
16:32:16	Llorean	I'm pretty sure backward is the one direction it will never work.
16:32:56	selectohh	llorean okily dokily thanks for the help.
16:33:14	Llorean	It's best to make sure the versions match exactly anyway. Just to be sure.
16:33:15	fragilematter	lxsys: OF is silent as a mouse, no noise except the power-up click and the player's inherent noise
16:34:35	lxsys	fragilematter: you're using the current build?
16:34:44	fragilematter	yep
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16:35:30	fragilematter	and I got the same behavior on a previous build, unfortunately I can't check which 'cause I'm not on my main computer
16:35:44	S_a_i_n_t	fragilematter: Does it happen irrespective of what its played through? ie. Speakers, Headphones etc.?
16:36:03	fragilematter	S_a_i_n_t: yes, it's not an impedance problem or anything
16:36:20	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmm...signs point to borked hardware.
16:36:29	S_a_i_n_t	Well, thats my guess.
16:37:07	fragilematter	S_a_i_n_t: it shouldn't be the case, everything works just fine in OF and the noise goes away if I power the radio on and back off in rockbox
16:37:31	lxsys	fragilematter: does 3.5.1 work?
16:37:50	S_a_i_n_t	I'd expect everyone with that target to experience the same issue then, but thats not the case.
16:37:56	S_a_i_n_t	Confusing.
16:38:15	fragilematter	also, I checked the radio regs against the datasheet and, unless the fm chip isn't disabled in some other way, the mute bit isn't 1 after start-up
16:39:02	fragilematter	lxsys: now trying
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16:40:51	S_a_i_n_t	Nothing changes between 3.5 and 3.5.1 that would cause this.
16:41:15	S_a_i_n_t	It only fixes a pausing issue, the not all experienced anyway.
16:41:20	fragilematter	S_a_i_n_t: I checked that too and I agree, there aren't any apparent reasons
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16:41:32	Llorean	fragilematter: How old is your bootloader?
16:41:55	fragilematter	Llorean: it's 6.0, I haven't updated it in a couple of months
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16:46:42	fragilematter	lxsys: still happens with 3.5.1
16:48:11	lxsys	hmm. you say that the mute but isn't 1 after startup?
16:48:22	S_a_i_n_t	As I'd entirely expect it to, 3.5.1 only fixed an issue with buffering IIUC
16:48:50	fragilematter	lxsys: yes, byte 1 is 00
16:49:54	S_a_i_n_t	It does seem to point to hardware...as for why the OF works fine is anyones guess.
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16:50:18	fragilematter	that means bit 7 is 0 => tea5767 isn't muted
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16:50:51	lxsys	hmmm.. just trying to work out what my bootloader version is.
16:51:25	fragilematter	S_a_i_n_t: well, after I get the radio on and I switch to playback again, byte 1 becomes 0xAD
16:52:04	S_a_i_n_t	It seems to me that this issue would have been reported before now, have you checked the tracker?
16:52:32	fragilematter	lxsys: when you power the player up, the first text displayed under the rb logo is "Boot 6.0"
16:52:46	S_a_i_n_t	If its not there, we need to think of the reason why its just you having the trouble.
16:52:47	fragilematter	S_a_i_n_t: I did and I couldn't find no reports
16:54:02	fragilematter	that's what I'm trying to figure out, but it looks like an initialization issue
16:54:28	lxsys	mine says "Ver. 25371-100328"
16:54:53	fragilematter	lxsys: before that
16:55:51	fragilematter	I'm also using some sensitive enough IEMs, so the extra noise is pretty obvious
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16:57:19	lxsys	fragilematter: nope.. only the iriver logo with "EU 1.10" and the rockbox logo with "Ver 25371-100328", then its ready for use.
16:58:04	fragilematter	lxsys: on mine it's iriver with "UM 1.10", then "Boot 6.0" and then "Ver. 3.5.1"
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16:58:46	lxsys	fragilematter: then we both have a different type of H10.
16:59:26	fragilematter	lxsys: mine started out as a north-america MTP model, but I converted it to UMS a long time ago
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17:00:01	lxsys	fragilematter: converted?
17:00:40	fragilematter	lxsys: you "upgrade" the flash bootloader to the one used in the UMS version, then you swap out the OF for the proper variant
17:00:52	fragilematter	it's all documented on mysticriver
17:01:15	lxsys	fragilematter: i never know of that. thanks!
17:01:31	fragilematter	lxsys: you're welcome
17:03:01	Llorean	fragilematter: Could this new flash bootloader you've installed be messing things up then?
17:03:21	Llorean	As in, Rockbox may not be tested to work with your specific combination of software?
17:03:52	fragilematter	Llorean: it worked just fine with this software combo for the most part of a year without any issues
17:04:16	Llorean	Then it was a Rockbox update without a bootloader change that started the problem?
17:04:35	fragilematter	except the fact that rbutil insists on deleting h10.mi4 from my player anytime I try to use it to update the bootloader :D
17:04:49	fragilematter	Llorean: most likely yes
17:05:06	Llorean	fragilematter: I don't see how this is a "most likely" question.
17:05:09	Llorean	Did you make other change or not?
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17:05:30	fragilematter	Llorean: not that I know of
17:05:31	Llorean	And if it's a Rockbox change, why not just go back through old versions in a binary search to find the one that caused it?
17:05:51	Llorean	Wouldn't that be the most final solution. Bam, revision X is the problem, then you can see what change triggered it.
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17:06:27	fragilematter	it's weird because there were no changes to the H10 tree for quite a while
17:06:54	Llorean	Well, you're the one proposing that a change in Rockbox is the problem.
17:07:11	Llorean	It should be possible to track down if this is the case, even if it's not obvious from SVN logs what it is immediately
17:07:16	S_a_i_n_t	Seems like solid advice to me, bisection can seem daunting, but with a fast build environment...its pretty easy.
17:07:46	fragilematter	okay, checking out and building rev 24000, then I'll work my way up or down from there
17:09:30	fragilematter	is there a svn command to go from one rev to another without checking out the whole tree?
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17:10:17	Llorean	You can update to any revision
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17:11:01	fragilematter	as in "svn up -r 12345" ?
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17:11:45	domonoky	fragilematter: jup
17:11:52	fragilematter	domonoky: thanks
17:12:13	domonoky	"svn help up" will also tell you that :-)
17:16:14	fragilematter	domonoky: I know, but it didn't cross my mind to start screen, so my session was tied up by svn checking out r24000
17:17:06	pixelma	bluebroth3r, AlexP: did we agree on \item for menus and submenus in the manual (so submenus need the \item in another "description" environment)? Just looking at cleaning up goban.tex again
17:17:30	AlexP	I can't remember :)
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17:24:42	pixelma	AlexP: would you like to comment on the new button table I made there before I commit? I know it's still not a 100% consistent with the use of curly braces but this looked best to my eyes...
17:24:55	pixelma	it's only code rearrangement
17:24:58	AlexP	sure
17:27:03	pixelma	ok, putting it on pastebin, one moment
17:28:41	pixelma	AlexP: http://pastebin.ca/1854657
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17:30:14	pixelma	line 110 is commented out because \nopt doesn't seem to work if the last line in the final manual table would be above that (I already asked bluebroth3r, he could confirm but doesn't know what to do about it)
17:31:00	AlexP	Looks good to me - nice and readable
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17:35:42	pixelma	AlexP: the placement of opening and closing curly braces are sometimes against Rockbox' coding guidelines though, not sure how much these apply to the tex in the manual though
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17:36:24	gevaerts	pixelma: I'd say they don't
17:36:34	AlexP	pixelma: Not particularly IMO
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17:40:21	S_a_i_n_t	TheSeven: Around?
17:41:43	pixelma	AlexP: I'm not completely happy that it's not consistent in itself - usually I put them on the same line, except longer blocks, then I put the } below - if some nesting happens inside so to speak. It felt like a waste of space to put them on their own in every occasion
17:42:55	TheSeven	S_a_i_n_t: yes
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17:43:40	AlexP	A little waste, but I think we can afford that if it improves readability. Perhaps say that if anything else happens in between then they need a new line?
17:44:16	S_a_i_n_t	TheSeven: Which line(s) should I be looking at in FS #5111 to change to frequency of the piezo "click"? I'm looking, but just not seeing it.
17:44:35	S_a_i_n_t	I wanna try see if I can get it to sound more like the OF with some pissing around.
17:45:16	pixelma	AlexP: it made me see the block easier, e.g. a completely (n)opted line of the table
17:45:26	TheSeven	at the bottom of the piezo-nano2g.c file
17:45:48	S_a_i_n_t	Thanks.
17:46:01	AlexP	pixelma: Yes, I agree.
17:46:20	TheSeven	piezo_start(40, 4);
17:46:32	TheSeven	40 = 1/frequency
17:46:44	TheSeven	4 = how many periods
17:46:55	S_a_i_n_t	thanks.
17:48:51	pixelma	AlexP: should the } of the remote keymap opt get it's own line too? Currently that would be a waste but I'm not sure if things change once they are filled a bit
17:49:16	*	pixelma feels reminded of the M3 manual :\\
17:49:44	AlexP	Hmmm, difficult one that. For plugins I don't see much happening any time soon, but for the core stuff it is more important
17:50:41	pixelma	hmm... someone committed a fix for remote buttons in the sim recently, IIRC
17:50:42	AlexP	Perhaps that can depend on whether there actually are any keys?
17:51:04	AlexP	i.e. &} is OK, but if there are any keys defined it gets a new line?
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17:53:51	pixelma	if nesting happens, to understand the "inner" and "outer" structure better? Could work... now to put it in some short explanation and I'll have a commit message - or something to add to the LatexGuidelines(Talk) page(s)
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18:01:15	archivator	is there anyone affiliated with Rockbox who has solid understanding of TTS theory? I might need some guidance in that area, should I choose to apply for the TTS engine project..
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18:03:22	gevaerts	archivator: I'm not sure, but I suspect not
18:04:13	archivator	gevaerts: it appears that there are a handful of people in the whole world that fit my criteria :( We should recruit one of them! :)
18:04:24	gevaerts	archivator: You could become one of them!
18:05:00	archivator	yeah, right. Have you seen the textbooks on the matter (all 2 of them)?
18:05:05	archivator	Massive.
18:05:43	archivator	The worst part is that they're library use only so I can use them only so much. Can't really start from the beginning.
18:06:02	gevaerts	How much do you really need to know about it though?
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18:07:57	archivator	gevaerts: in the case of flite, a fair bit. There are some parts that will need rewriting.
18:08:23	gevaerts	Have you talked to the flite folks, or do you know where they hang out?
18:08:32	archivator	If I ever want to build a new voice from scratch, I'm gonna need to understand every last bit of the process.
18:09:39	gevaerts	Why does it need rewriting bits? FP?
18:09:44	archivator	flite person, actually. Alan W. Black is the guy in charge of flite. I wrote him a letter some time last month. No reply.
18:10:21	archivator	You have to realize that flite has a tiny user base
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18:11:09	archivator	Compared to festival, flite is virtually unsupported (as in, no mailing list, bug tracker, etc.).
18:11:29	S_a_i_n_t	so, you'd think they'd want to expand...
18:11:31	gevaerts	that's a definite downside...
18:12:24	archivator	S_a_i_n_t: it seems the attitude is more like "this is a proof of concept. If you want to use it commercially, devote your own resources"
18:12:42	gevaerts	:\
18:12:49	S_a_i_n_t	Ahhhh. :/
18:14:33	archivator	I wouldn't mind that attitude, if there were any significant amount of documentation. While there are some docs, the internal magic is widely undocumented.. which is what's troubling me the most
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18:16:16	archivator	From what I can tell, the festlang-talk mailing list has some flite threads. Will try asking for help there.
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18:19:03	gevaerts	the alternative would be espeak I guess, with it's own upstream support issues
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18:21:18	archivator	Seems like it. There's something called openmary that's well-written and supported but it's written in Java.
18:21:34	archivator	just my luck, I guess..
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18:27:58	gevaerts	archivator: there's apparently also a thing called recite (http://packages.debian.org/sid/recite), but its upstream website disappeared. It's GPL1+ :)
18:28:33	archivator	There's also gnuspeech which is what I'm looking into right now.
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18:29:29	archivator	The thing is, gnuspeech uses articulatory synthesis (which is cpu-intensive, from what I gather) and espeak is formant synthesis (which sounds unnatural).
18:29:56	archivator	I really wanted a diphone synthesis system. Unit selection, if the resources allow it.
18:30:37	gevaerts	is gnuspeech really alive?
18:31:00	gevaerts	They'll "soon" have downloads for something other than gnustep
18:31:06	gevaerts	*nextstep
18:31:19	archivator	gnuspeech is a lot of data, really
18:31:28	archivator	there's cgstmad that uses that data
18:31:41	archivator	however, cgstmad is written in c++
18:31:57	gevaerts	Also, isn't it GPL3 as well?
18:32:48	*	Llorean really likes espeak's pronunciation at least.
18:32:52	archivator	yes, yes it is.
18:33:05	archivator	oh, well, another one off the list
18:33:07	Llorean	Whatever their algorithm for context-sensitive choices relating to the rest of the sentence, it's generally pretty good.
18:33:32	Llorean	The mbrola voices make it sound a lot better too, but that's not something we could use in Rockbox.
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18:33:42	archivator	because of licensing?
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18:33:55	archivator	I am quite fond of mrbola myself.
18:33:58	gevaerts	Llorean: rockbox as a project couldn't. Users might still be able to do that
18:34:09	Llorean	gevaerts: AFAIK it's only available as standalone binaries
18:34:17	Llorean	espeak handles the phonemes and passes them to mbrola for speaking.
18:34:19	gevaerts	ah, ok then
18:34:28	archivator	Llorean: even the data? Hmm, I'll have to look into that
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18:34:37	Llorean	I don't know, maybe there's a way around it
18:34:39	archivator	They do have models for a lot of languages...
18:34:52	Llorean	If we could do espeak + mbrola in Rockbox, it would be my favorite possibility
18:35:05	Llorean	mbrola sounds good, and espeak makes good choices.
18:35:12	Llorean	Of course, licensing is still a mess.
18:35:32	gevaerts	espeak 1.26 is getting a bit old as well. Does that work with mbrola at all?
18:36:02	archivator	gevaerts: the FS entry mentioned that mrbola support was stripped
18:36:03	Llorean	I seem to recall that I did espeak with mbrola before the GPLv3 change, but I'm not 100% certain
18:36:18	archivator	then again, that wasn't based on 1.26 ..
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19:38:28	gevaerts	How is that compatible with espeak being GPL?
19:38:53	archivator	the binary has a socket interface, apparently
19:38:56	gevaerts	oh well, not really our problem
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19:39:26	archivator	acts like a speech server - a model that seems to be quite popular among all types of synthesizers (and is the way rbutil uses festival)..
19:40:32	pixelma	you mean mbrola?
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19:41:14	pixelma	just in case someone searches the logs later on
19:41:18	archivator	? Rbutil can use festival's −−server mode, a technique that's popular among speech synthesizer software
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19:41:30	archivator	and mrbola has a server mode, too, apparently
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19:43:37	archivator	gevaerts: about that recite package you linked to - it looks pretty bad.
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19:44:02	gevaerts	archivator: well, it's from 1993 as far as I can see
19:44:16	archivator	Its vocabulary is hardcoded and it just synthesizes a lot of phonemes together
19:44:28	archivator	Little to no attention to the big picture
19:44:51	archivator	It might have been adequate in 1993 but things have advanced significantly since then :)
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19:45:15	gevaerts	It doesn't have license issues though. We are fully compatible with GPLv1+ :)
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19:47:20	archivator	It seems to me that I'm paying too little attention to licensing issues while you're overcompensating and looking just at the license :D
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20:02:25	Buschel	Llorean: Your comments on FS #11148 are very much appreciated.
20:02:48	Llorean	I'm not sure I worded them clearly (it was sort of stream of thought)
20:03:05	Llorean	But I'm just curious how accurate assumptions for say an iPod 5G will end up being on an H100 or what not.
20:03:13	Llorean	Or even color vs mono iPods, etc.
20:03:30	Buschel	Llorean: Regarding the LCD sleep. On a 5G iPod the savings are about 6-8 mA constantly. The backlight consumes much more, but will only be switched on for a short duration.
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20:04:21	Llorean	But that "short duration" could be 15 seconds once every 10 minutes. Over a 10 hour charge period that's what, 25 minutes on?
20:05:07	Llorean	It'd be nice to be able to say something approximate like "if you check your screen more than twice an hour, you should try to use transflection, but if you expect to check less often than this, it's better to use the backlight" or similar.
20:05:16	Buschel	Let's say the backlight needs 20mA. Then 4 minutes LCD sleep compensate for 1 minute LC and backlight on.
20:05:43	Llorean	Doesn't the 5G iPod also have one of the higher power draws for its screen, being a larger screen?
20:06:23	Buschel	Well, I could change the whole section to just be enabled for 5G :o) And for 5G the statement is very well fitting :)
20:06:53	Llorean	Maybe just reword it so that it's clear that it's heavily dependent on use habits?
20:07:02	Llorean	I don't know. :)
20:08:22	Buschel	I thought "from time to time" was fine. But I am no native speaker...
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20:09:26	Llorean	Well, "time to time" means pretty different things to different people, I guess.
20:09:36	Llorean	It's probably good enough as it is.
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20:11:31	Buschel	Regarding your other comments: I wanted to keep the statements as easy as possible. E.g. I didn't want to explain users that above a special codec efficiency there is no more savings (due to unboosted playback).
20:11:45	Buschel	*are
20:11:49	pixelma	the patch should be checked for other things that should be opted - e.g the backlight section should be excluded for the Ondios because they don't have backlight (there is no feature for it because it was decided that the voice files contain those strings so that people with modded devices can use downloadable voice files)
20:12:57	pixelma	codecs - not for hwcodec targets (and a note about file size added maybe)
20:12:59	fragilematter	should I open a formal bug report on the iriver h10 force mono bug that I encountered?
20:13:42	Buschel	Llorean: And regaring the bitrate -> yes, the same is valid for flash targets. But from what I know reading from flash is not that power consuming as HDDs are. So, the battery runtime is not scaling that much...
20:13:56	Buschel	pixelma: good points!
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20:20:47	pixelma	"have high impact on"? First paragraph
20:20:58	Llorean	Buschel: Well, I'm not sure what point there is in referencing them to a page that tells them what CPU speed each codec requires for realtime when they don't have a good way to translate that into anything useful other than "lower numbers are better"
20:21:27	pixelma	not all targets have CPU boosting
20:21:29	fragilematter	are any iriver h300, samsung yh920 or onda vx747 users around?
20:21:30	Llorean	I mean, you don't want it to sound like we'd recommend converting from one lossy to another (or to FLAC) when there's actually no savings to be had (or performance could be significantly lowered)
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20:22:05	pixelma	Buschel: the hwcodec ones definitely do not have boosting
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20:25:17	pixelma	fragilematter: any specific reason you only ask for these users?
20:25:40	fragilematter	because I found the root of the noise problem that I was experiencing
20:26:00	fragilematter	and I'm trying to see if it affects any of the other targets that have the same fm chip
20:28:07	pixelma	umm.. this Philipps TEA chips is in even more targets - the H100, many (most) OndioFMs and the Iaudios with radio have a unlabelled chip which takes the same instructions though so seems to be the same internally
20:28:39	Llorean	fragilematter: Did you track down which build introduced the problem?
20:29:12	fragilematter	well, at least on the H10, if you enable "force mono" then reboot, you'll get background nois
20:29:32	fragilematter	Llorean: current svn and previous, I only tested until rev 20000
20:29:36	archivator	Can I assume all arm rockbox targets are >= armv4t?
20:30:26	Torne	they are at the moment
20:30:41	Torne	u nlss someone finds an mp3 player with an arm710 or something ;)
20:30:51	fragilematter	and all of them exhibited the noise issue as long as force mono is enabled for fm
20:31:09	archivator	right, just making sure my basic assumptions are correct :)
20:32:36	pixelma	fragilematter: I could try on my OndioFM (which has the same chip) and on my M5 (with X5 tuner board) later on but I haven't noticed background noise so far
20:33:27	fragilematter	pixelma: thanks, I'm trying to see if it's specific to the H10 or not
20:34:19	flyback	fragilematter, what h10 do you have
20:34:43	fragilematter	flyback: 6gb, with tea5767 fm
20:34:52	flyback	yeah I got a 5gb
20:34:58	flyback	got it off ebay broken for $7
20:35:09	flyback	added a $7 cable and $10 brand new seagate 4gb hd and it lasted a month :/
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20:35:28	Llorean	flyback: I'm serious, please stop rambling about stuff that isn't Rockbox development/support discussion.
20:35:36	Llorean	That's why the -community channel exists.
20:35:39	flyback	if it wasn't for that f***ing retarded "flex ata" interface I would have swapped in a cf for testing etc
20:35:43	flyback	uh
20:35:45	flyback	when you go there
20:35:53	flyback	they tell you the community channel is not for rockbox discussion
20:36:01	flyback	I wish you two would get the story straight
20:36:07	Llorean	Yeah, and "I bought an MP3 player for $7" isn't Rockbox discussion
20:36:12	flyback	uh
20:36:14	flyback	it's a h10 like his
20:36:29	Llorean	Yeah, and what you paid for it has nothing to do with Rockbox
20:36:32	pixelma	fragilematter: no background noise on the Ondio
20:36:44	Llorean	He's looking for someone to confirm a bug, that is Rockbox discussion.
20:37:06	flyback	I was about to offer if I could get the damn thing running again
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20:38:22	fragilematter	pixelma: thanks, I'll assume that it's h10-specific... now I need to see how (when) rb loads the force mono setting and how can I get it to be restored without leaking noise
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20:40:58	pixelma	no noise on my Iaudio either
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20:42:12	fragilematter	I'll start looking at firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10
20:43:25	Llorean	It might just be the order of events? Does Rockbox set the radio to mono during bootup, or does it not do anything until you enter the FM screen?
20:43:49	Llorean	The simplest solution might just be to ensure that the FM is muted again after the .cfg is loaded?
20:43:59	fragilematter	well, the noise appears at boot
20:44:20	fragilematter	and the fm regs hint that rb sets the mono at boot, but it doesn't mute the chip
20:45:24	fragilematter	with force mono, it inits with 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x00 0x00
20:45:33	pixelma	do you mean only during boot, loading cfg or also later on
20:45:49	fragilematter	and 0x08 is exactly bit 4 of byte 3 - force mono
20:45:52	fragilematter	during boot
20:46:10	fragilematter	and without force mono, it boots with all bytes 0x0
20:46:59	fragilematter	basically, when loading the force mono at boot, it should also set bit 7 of byte 1 to 1
20:47:02	pixelma	I didn't understand that and have to repeat the test
20:47:25	fragilematter	pixelma: enable force mono in the fm menu, then reboot the player
20:47:52	fragilematter	and listen to noise that is around -65dB
20:48:12	fragilematter	eventually it fluctuates as you move the player or push buttons
20:51:53	pixelma	I still can't hear noise on the Iaudio during boot
20:52:23	fragilematter	not during boot, but after it starts up
20:53:20	fragilematter	and the noise goes on until you go into the fm menu and then stop the radio (basically, until the radio is properly muted)
20:53:33	pixelma	would it be a short thing or is it going on longer for you?
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20:54:03	fragilematter	the noise stays on in the background, it even overlaps with music playback
20:54:05	pixelma	no, I don't hear that
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20:54:45	fragilematter	eventually, check the fm radio regs in the debug menu
20:55:02	pixelma	I have voice enabled though (and voice respectively talk files around), not sure if it affects testing
20:55:49	fragilematter	it shouldn't
20:56:47	pixelma	the bits are set as you said (for write)
20:56:59	fragilematter	with 08 on the 3rd byte?
20:57:05	pixelma	yes
20:57:32	fragilematter	then probably that specific tea7567 implementation stays silent and the one in the h10 doesn't
20:57:49	fragilematter	either way, setting the mute bit on bite 1 shouldn't hurt
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20:59:01	pixelma	could it also have to do with the audio codec?
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20:59:32	fragilematter	well, it depends on how the audio output from the fm chip is handled
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21:00:10	pixelma	tomers: is the defaul colour scheme of fractals (on colour screens) still this low contrast green and blue?
21:01:51	tomers	pixelma: I don't think so
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21:07:29	Buschel	pixelma, Llorean: updated the manual-patch. comments welcome
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21:11:00	tomers	Sansa e200r release links are still dead: http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi
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21:11:58	gevaerts	Yes, those links shouldn't be there
21:12:00	mc2739	tomers: e200r uses the e200 build - it does not have its own build
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21:14:27	tomers	mc2739: ok, but still these links should be fixed
21:14:40	pixelma	Buschel: there is no "backlight" feature. I tried to explain this but it's probably not easy to get if you aren't "affected" yourself :)
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21:16:10	Buschel	pixelma: yes, maybe ;o) Is it really only the ondio's that should be nopt'ed ?
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21:18:04	pixelma	currently yes, and I doubt there will be other... hmm... how does the Clips' OLED display fit in there?
21:18:14	mc2739	tomers: I agree, thats why I opened FS #10878
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21:23:37	plauclair	hi, I'm wondering.. is rockbox using bitmap fonts or does it have its own raster engine ?
21:23:44	Llorean	Bitmap.
21:23:48	pixelma	Buschel: I believe the the lists inside opts aren't allowed to have spaces in them - I think in this case the opt is ignored for the part after the comma, not a 100% sure though
21:24:14	pixelma	after the space I mean
21:24:24	Buschel	pixelma: will remove them to avoid any failures
21:25:19	plauclair	Llorean: is it a format specific to rockbox ?
21:25:53	pixelma	should be obvious if you compile a manual for a HD hwcodec target (anything but the Ondios)
21:25:54	Llorean	They're converted from bdf to a Rockbox-specific format.
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21:30:09	pixelma	Buschel: nice to see some more people helping out with the manual btw :)
21:31:46	Buschel	pixelma: :o) btw, the space after the comma in \opt does not do any harm.
21:32:17	pixelma	is the section included in e.g. a Recorder manual?
21:36:12	pixelma	swcodec is already true for e.g. the Ipod Video. I just thought that the part after the comma was ignored because that's what I saw with line breaks inside an \opt list (which is why escaping the linefeed with a comment helped)... at least that was my explanation for the latter fact
21:36:31	Buschel	pixelma: just testing with another "false" option
21:37:12	pixelma	no breakage of the manual build, it was just as if this one option was ignored
21:42:01	Buschel	pixelma: the space does not do any harm. when using \opt{false, true} and \opt{false,true} the results are the same.
21:42:26	pixelma	it's not false true
21:42:46	pixelma	opt is just a "true" list
21:44:03	Buschel	yes, but if the first option is not true and the equation ends with the comma (in case of using a space), the true-list should have been empty. or am I totally mislead?
21:44:35	pixelma	so \opt{swcodec,disk_storage}{blah} will include blah for every target where either swcodec or disk storage is true (or both)
21:45:03	pixelma	Buschel: that sounds correct - what did you try?
21:45:25	Buschel	yes. for my test I have used \opt{spdif_power, swcodec} on a 5G iPod. spdif_power is for sure not defined
21:45:59	pixelma	interesting. I'm surprised
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21:46:23	Buschel	pixelma: to be safe I will nevertheless delete the sapce :)
21:46:27	Buschel	*space
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22:01:35	stripwax	buschel - did you have any newer thoughts on fs#8596? i'm doing another battery test, and depending on outcome on my ipod 5g 60GB, i might just commit it ...
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22:08:30	Buschel	stripwax: the power off voltage in your patch is very high. when (in terms of voltage) does your player shut off?
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22:12:20	stripwax	good question. at the end of the battery bench, whatever that was
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22:12:44	Buschel	stripwax: do you have an actual bench at hand?
22:14:19	stripwax	i'm rerunning one now - but my bench is in that tracker entry
22:14:33	Buschel	let me check
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22:18:40	Buschel	hmm, was this recorder including your patch?
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22:20:23	stripwax	.. which patch?
22:20:49	stripwax	oh the discharge curve patch itself?
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22:21:01	Buschel	stripwax: yes :)
22:21:04	stripwax	that doesn't affect the voltage readings surely?
22:21:21	Buschel	no, but it affects when the device will shut down
22:21:30	stripwax	the one i'm running now is definitely unpatched.
22:21:39	Buschel	stripwax: good
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22:22:18	Buschel	stripwax: the patch will shut down the device when the battery voltage reaches 3.5V. Other targets shut down at 3.3V
22:23:11	Buschel	stripwax: ahem, shut down at 3.4V, "dangerous" at 3.5V
22:23:59	stripwax	ok. I don't think my battery ever got below 3.4, or as low as 3.3v. but that's from memory, can't recall. will see when the battery test is done (in around 24 hours :-) )
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22:26:26	Buschel	stripwax: maybe the voltage drops significantly lower on 60GB Videos than an 30GB Videos when buffering. other HDDs and twice as long spinning/reading time due to the large RAM. maybe that's why they seem to stop at high voltages. they just hit the ground while bufferinng...
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22:28:22	Buschel	stripwax: if so, this is a perfect reason to create new discharge curves to be able to signal the user the battery will not survive too much longer (e.g. the next buffering).
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22:33:27	Buschel	stripwax: are you using fs#8668 for this bench? or plain svn without line-out, with lcd sleep, without accessory supply?
22:33:45	Buschel	stripwax: and clean restart of course :)
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22:38:30	Buschel	stripwax: btw, one of your old benchs on the ipodruntime wiki shows voltages about 3.3-3.4V. they look pretty normal.
22:47:40	archivator	Just did a basic analysis of flite - about a hundred floating point operations in the entire codebase. Not too bad, I think.
22:48:28	archivator	(judged by the number of calls to the mathemu routines)
22:48:32	stripwax	plain svn, no line out, no accessory supply, and also no lcd sleep
22:49:06	stripwax	i wanted to do a comparison versus OF. hence no lcd sleep.
22:49:41	stripwax	it shouldn't change the discharge curve .. just the x scale..
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22:50:22	Buschel	it will not run >=24h then.
22:50:35	Buschel	the power consumption of the LCD is too high
22:50:54	stripwax	i wanted to do a comparison versus OF ... it doesn't have to run >= 24h ...
22:51:15	Buschel	ok, you just mentioned it somewhere before
22:51:39	stripwax	just that the battery bench won't be finished until tomorrow.. that's all ...
22:52:21	stripwax	that will be the next time i'm on irc .. i sortof don't care if the runtime is 20hrs or 16 hrs.
22:53:03	Buschel	let's see ;)
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22:56:44	stripwax	btw I think Torne was saying that the ipod rockbox runtime should be 'at least as good' as the OF with the LCD on. at least I think it was Torne. could've been someone else.
22:57:10	Torne	It should be, yah
22:57:16	Torne	OF is quoted as getting 20h
22:57:41	Buschel	rockbox should reach similar runtime.
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22:58:11	stripwax	with accessory supply on? does OF have lineout enabled permanently too or only when docked?
22:58:41	Buschel	from what I could measure -> both are always on
22:58:50	Buschel	on OF
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22:59:07	Buschel	what means there is another trick the OF does to compensate for this...
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22:59:25	Buschel	maybe 24MHz (or lower) un-boosted clock?
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23:00:47	gevaerts	Never. Who would even think of doing such a thing? :)
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23:02:47	stripwax	could measure the ipod cpu clock...
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23:06:11	Buschel	you colud?
23:06:14	Buschel	*could
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23:08:47	Buschel	gotta go to sleep now. see you!
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23:09:07	pamaury	Does someone know well ata-sd-pp.c ?
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23:10:14	CareBear\	hi everyone - I'm looking for Bertrik or anyone else who knows their way around lpcusb and would be keen on helping me with some debugging :)
23:11:36	gevaerts	CareBear\: you might be better off in #rockbox-community. He usually hangs out there, and things like that aren't off-topic there :)
23:12:48	B4gder	unless the usb stuff is about rockbox of course!
23:13:42	pamaury	do you know if someone knows well the ata/sd code ? In particular, I'm looking at ata-sd-pp.c but I nothing about the code, and don't have any documentation (It's about reducing the size of a buffer)
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23:15:33	CareBear\	gevaerts : thanks! I'll go there, I know it's off-topic here.
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23:16:32	saratoga	pamaury: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7134
23:16:58	saratoga	looks like toni, jhmikes, jdgordon
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23:25:03	pamaury	saratoga: thanks, I'll ask JdGordon tomorrow then
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23:43:24	Torne	people with PP ipods: I am testing a new fix for the shutdown/restart problem which shouldn't have the problems of the current workaround: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11149 <- please test
23:45:24	stripwax	Torne - I will :-)
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23:45:37	Torne	good stuff
23:45:48	Torne	you'll probably have to use it for a fairly extended period for us to be confident about it
23:45:58	Torne	it's in my regular build now and I am using the ipod as my main player again
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23:53:51	pamaury	JdGordon: you took part in the development of ata-sd-pp, right ? I need some clarifications about it
23:54:10	JdGordon	nope
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23:56:07	pamaury	JdGordon: saratoga gave the link of the FS task for it, you appear several times, did you only test it ? (I did have the courage to read it :))
23:56:41	JdGordon	yeah
23:56:43	Ctcp	Ping from gevaerts!~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:56:48	JdGordon	I dont remember writing any of it
23:57:40	gevaerts	pamaury: maybe FlynDice or funman can help. They've not done that driver, but they've done sd things
23:58:09	*	FlynDice sees someone volunteering me ;-)

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