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| 00:01:15 | FlynDice | Is it the buffer size comment above you're interested in? |
| 00:01:18 | pamaury | Well that's simple, in ata-sd-pp.c, in sd_select_bank, there is a big buffer (512 bytes) but from what I understand, only the first word is set (to the bank index), the rest is null and it's written 16 words at a time. That would suggest that a 32-byte buffer is sufficient no |
| 00:01:31 | pamaury | ? |
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| 00:02:48 | FlynDice | Let me take a look, funman worked on the bank switching code but I studied it a bit to understand what was going on. |
| 00:03:43 | pamaury | ok, thanks. |
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| 00:17:36 | FlynDice | pamaury: (logs I guess) I don't think I can give you a reliable answer to that question but I can give you an educated guess. I think the card expects to receive 512 bytes containing the bank number in the first word. |
| 00:18:46 | FlynDice | If you can send the first word and then continue to fill the FIFO with null bytes until you get to 512 I think it may work. |
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| 00:20:17 | FlynDice | It looks like activating bank switching take a few more words also when you turn it on. |
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| 00:21:22 | FlynDice | funman:(logs) Would you proof ^^ to make sure I'm not blowing smoke out my ### ;-) |
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| 00:44:43 | Torne | I presume it's not intentional or desirable that if you set Bookmark on Stop to "ask" and then wait for idle poweroff, it prompts you for it, and then when you don't answer it does an unclean shutdown after a timeout? :) |
| 00:45:31 | Torne | (at least that's what i presume is happening, the LCD doesn't get turned off properly) |
| 00:47:27 | Torne | ...what would we *like* it to do in that case? always save one? never save one? |
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| 01:00:56 | Llorean | I'd say "never save one" but I consider "stop" a manual action. |
| 01:01:23 | Llorean | While a stop technically occurs during shutdown, the user didn't stop and whether or not a bookmark is created, there's still the option of resuming. |
| 01:01:58 | Torne | Llorean: This is from FS #2720 |
| 01:02:07 | Torne | A possibly unrelated change half-implemented this later |
| 01:02:17 | Torne | it might not have *intended* to :) |
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| 01:02:37 | Torne | The user in the FS expected that since they'd set it to yes, it would save one then too |
| 01:02:49 | Torne | and thus when they forget to resume playback and just go play something else, they were unhappy about losing their place |
| 01:02:54 | Torne | which seems fair enough. and that case already now works |
| 01:03:05 | Torne | so i guess i should fix it to not prompt if we're shutting down, and just assume no. |
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| 01:03:16 | Torne | since that's clearly an actual bug |
| 01:03:24 | Llorean | I tend to think if you want to be sure there's a bookmark, don't set it to "ask" |
| 01:03:37 | Torne | Yah, that seems reasonable |
| 01:04:06 | Torne | ok, i'll see if i can fix it then ;) |
| 01:04:09 | Llorean | Sounds good to me. |
| 01:04:18 | Torne | this may not be entirely trivial, however |
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| 01:05:02 | * | Llorean personally just does an awful lot of manual bookmarking. |
| 01:05:15 | * | Llorean looks forward to the day it's possible to bookmark a dynamic playlist. |
| 01:05:23 | Torne | personally i use the unrelated patch which makes bookmark on stop only when the bookmark file already exists :) |
| 01:05:35 | Torne | so i do one manual bookmark for an audiobook and then it remembers for me after that |
| 01:05:42 | Torne | without cluttering my fs with bookmarks for albums |
| 01:05:55 | Torne | but the menu options that one adds are kinda ugly, not gonna submit it without a UI redesign ;) |
| 01:05:56 | Llorean | That would be nice. |
| 01:05:59 | Llorean | Is that a patch in FS? |
| 01:06:02 | Torne | yup |
| 01:06:08 | Llorean | Ugly menu options? |
| 01:06:13 | Torne | FS #6272 |
| 01:06:15 | Torne | Well, not ugly |
| 01:06:20 | Torne | but it adds yet another thing to bookmark on stop |
| 01:06:28 | Torne | and the behaviour wrt. the recent bookmarks is maybe confusing |
| 01:06:38 | Llorean | Oh? |
| 01:06:41 | Torne | If we're gonna add this I think we need to redesign the bookmark on stop options |
| 01:06:54 | Torne | the "Yes - Recent Only" and similar are rather odd |
| 01:07:04 | Torne | and adding more things just makes it worse |
| 01:07:17 | Torne | It might be nicer to have two options, for the two kinds of bookmark, instead. |
| 01:07:44 | Torne | the patch from 6272 currently saves a recent bookmark entry always, if recent bookmarks are enabled, and a regular bookmark only if the file exists, which is *probably* the desired behaviour |
| 01:07:53 | Llorean | I've actually thought the "Recent bookmarks" list should never result in scattered bmark files |
| 01:08:01 | Torne | Well that on its own doesn't, no |
| 01:08:18 | Torne | If you set bookmark on stop to "Yes - Recent Only" it doesn't make any files except the single recent one |
| 01:08:41 | Llorean | Ah, I don't use bookmark on stop |
| 01:08:55 | Torne | But yeah, I agree with the other commentors on FS #6272 that the settings menu for this is confusing eonugh already, and thus adding another option to it is probably not desirable |
| 01:08:57 | Llorean | I more or less want "temporary bookmarks" |
| 01:09:00 | Torne | i'v ejust not gotten around to thinking about it |
| 01:09:08 | Torne | Right, that might also be good |
| 01:09:12 | Llorean | I want bookmarks in the one or two spoken word things I'm listening to that vanish once I'm done. |
| 01:09:13 | Torne | But again, more settings complexity :) |
| 01:09:32 | Torne | so, yeah, if you can think how to fit it in the UI i'l see what i can do ;) |
| 01:09:42 | Torne | i am reasonably sure i know how the boomarking code works |
| 01:10:00 | Llorean | Well, I like your idea of "don't create bookmarks unless one is manually triggered" |
| 01:10:09 | pixelma | even though I personally almost never use bookmarks (except for testing purposes and on special occasions) I still wonder why the dynamic menu defaults to off - and if it was me it wouldn't need to be dynamic at all |
| 01:10:33 | Llorean | But what I'd want to see then, in the Recent Bookmarks list, is two marks for that file - the most recent manual bookmark, and the most recent automatic one (independently on whether I've created several manual onces since the automatic, or several automatic since the manual) |
| 01:10:41 | Torne | well, if anyone has comments on 6272 please post them, and i may get around to working on it again and committing it ;) |
| 01:10:49 | Torne | i didn't write the original patch or raise the issue, btw |
| 01:10:52 | Torne | i just saw it and likedit |
| 01:11:03 | Torne | it's an old one as you can tell from the number |
| 01:11:12 | Llorean | I don't like automatic bookmarks when I realize I've fallen asleep with my headphones on and just hit stop and put it away. |
| 01:11:29 | Llorean | So it'd be nice if there was a way to distinguish quickly which one I made and which the software did. |
| 01:11:50 | Llorean | Ideally a whole new bookmark UI would kinda be nice. |
| 01:11:56 | Llorean | Drop the idea of .bmark files entirely |
| 01:12:13 | Llorean | Or at least, scattered throughout the filetree |
| 01:12:27 | Llorean | A bookmark catalog that shows you a list of folder names / playlists you have a bookmark in. |
| 01:12:41 | Llorean | When selected you see the two most recent (one auto, one manual) and an entry to see all manual bookmarks. |
| 01:13:01 | Torne | well i'm not volunteering to write *that*, probably ;) |
| 01:13:02 | Llorean | Auto bookmarking is always on when you resume a bookmark, but never on otherwise. |
| 01:13:06 | Llorean | So no settings whatsoever. |
| 01:13:31 | Llorean | But that's more or less what *I'd* want. |
| 01:17:10 | Torne | is there a way to know we are shutting down, btw? |
| 01:17:17 | Torne | without having to pass that information around? |
| 01:17:51 | Llorean | I don't know for certain |
| 01:18:00 | Llorean | But I want to say "no, and we've had problems with that before" |
| 01:19:17 | Torne | well, i can easily add such a parameter to bookmark_autobookmark |
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| 01:27:51 | CIA-5 | New commit by torne (r25376): Fix "bookmark on stop: ask" when idle poweroff triggers. ... |
| 01:28:19 | Torne | ok that's fixed :) |
| 01:32:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Bah! That reminds me I was supposed to be fixing up FS #11101, I had a look at it, but IMO, I just made it more complicated...and worse. |
| 01:32:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Anyone else think that "Reverse USB Handling" is still pretty fucking confusing? |
| 01:32:35 | S_a_i_n_t | ...that was the Author's "fix" |
| 01:35:49 | Torne | that's terrible, yes |
| 01:35:56 | Torne | didn't we discuss this the other day and decide on a much better wording? |
| 01:36:03 | * | Llorean proposes some wording |
| 01:36:17 | S_a_i_n_t | *phew* glad I'm not the only one that thought so... |
| 01:36:19 | Llorean | Something like "Storage on cable attach" with the options "When button is pressed" and "When no button is pressed" |
| 01:36:26 | Llorean | Make it about the storage rather than the power. |
| 01:36:33 | S_a_i_n_t | We *did* can't say I remember *exactly* what it was though... :/ |
| 01:36:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Llorean: that was the idea... |
| 01:36:55 | S_a_i_n_t | something about, USB mass storage mode. |
| 01:36:55 | Llorean | Wouldn't know, wasn't around. |
| 01:36:57 | * | linuxstb recalls having many discussions about this in the past... |
| 01:37:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: We seem to be down to the naming |
| 01:37:23 | Torne | look in the logs, then |
| 01:37:31 | S_a_i_n_t | *And* functionality..it needs more than yes/no for its options. |
| 01:37:33 | Torne | i'm pretty sure we did find something everyone present was happy with :0 |
| 01:37:41 | Torne | lemme see if i can find it |
| 01:37:50 | linuxstb | Llorean: FS #11101 isn't what I remember being agreed. Although maybe there has been a more recent discussion that I missed. |
| 01:38:01 | Torne | It was more recent than that |
| 01:38:02 | Torne | i think |
| 01:38:06 | Torne | maybe not. |
| 01:38:12 | S_a_i_n_t | A couple of days, tops. |
| 01:38:13 | Torne | the original author wasn't involved in the discussion, anyway |
| 01:38:20 | Torne | so he did his own thing independantly |
| 01:38:48 | Llorean | I don't know either. |
| 01:38:59 | Torne | found it, one mo |
| 01:39:05 | Llorean | I'm still in favour of "the user picks what the default behaviour is, and then any button held down reverses it" |
| 01:39:35 | S_a_i_n_t | A little bit long for a menu entry though ;) |
| 01:39:45 | Llorean | Well, I meant for the behaviour |
| 01:39:56 | S_a_i_n_t | That *is* the behaviour IIUC |
| 01:40:06 | S_a_i_n_t | well, the one I'm using now does exactly that. |
| 01:40:23 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100322#15:15:15 |
| 01:40:27 | Torne | Here was the discussion :) |
| 01:40:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Can't see any changes except naming in the new one. |
| 01:40:53 | Torne | I suggested "Default USB mode: Storage device, charging only" |
| 01:41:04 | Torne | Such that we could add MTP as a future option |
| 01:41:05 | Llorean | That patch seems to just present the option, without opening it up to "any button" from the current "a single, sometimes hard to press while inserting, button" |
| 01:41:08 | Torne | Or other possible USB modes. |
| 01:41:26 | Llorean | Torne: I'd say the storage type should be another setting entirely. |
| 01:41:51 | Llorean | This setting should just be for helping out the people who just want to charge and occasionally connect vs the people who usually connect to sync and rarely want to just charge. |
| 01:42:15 | Torne | well, that's a future discussion |
| 01:42:21 | Torne | but I like that wording, anyway |
| 01:42:31 | Torne | and it seemed ok to the people around at that time :0 |
| 01:42:32 | * | Torne shrugs |
| 01:42:39 | Llorean | I'd say "On USB insertion" rather than "Default USB mode" but could leave the options |
| 01:42:41 | Torne | I agree that it might be nice if it was any button, though |
| 01:42:48 | Llorean | Default USB mode sounds like you might be picking other things too |
| 01:42:54 | linuxstb | Torne: There have been more discussions on the general issue further back in time. |
| 01:43:01 | Torne | Probably |
| 01:43:06 | Torne | anyway time i slept. :) |
| 01:43:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Seemed OK to me, any botton would be better than just menu...then you wouldn't get the damn quickscreen on the ipods. |
| 01:43:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Which is a pet peeve of mine. |
| 01:45:03 | Llorean | "select" is probably easier to hold down while inserting the cable on iPods |
| 01:45:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Indeed, and wouldn;t have the quickscreen porblem, but would possibly bring up the ontext menu depending where you were in the menu at the time. |
| 01:46:08 | S_a_i_n_t | *ahem...'context' |
| 01:46:21 | Llorean | Well, every button does something so that's just something to accept |
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| 01:47:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Good point, I had an idea that the quickscrren (if menu was used) would/should time out if the button is held for X period of time, but that's harder to implement. |
| 01:47:39 | Llorean | The original point of the quickscreen was actually to only be up while you held the button |
| 01:47:48 | Llorean | You'd hold the button, change the values, then release it causing the screen to vanish |
| 01:47:50 | Llorean | Thus, very quick |
| 01:48:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Not possible on an ipod though... |
| 01:48:22 | S_a_i_n_t | (you can only hold one button at a time IIRC) |
| 01:48:41 | Llorean | I don't think that's actually the case |
| 01:48:58 | Llorean | I mean, obviously select can be combined with other buttons, but I seem to recall "Left+Right" being a combo for something at one point |
| 01:49:12 | S_a_i_n_t | it's be *really* difficult, if not impossible to hold menu, then press...play for instance. |
| 01:49:50 | S_a_i_n_t | and holding left+right would literally bend the clickwheel. |
| 01:50:01 | Llorean | But, more to the point - making the QS vanish if you held the button too long, but only on some players, just introduces even more behaviour schisms. |
| 01:50:11 | S_a_i_n_t | I've tried this with 2 player pong...it just doesn;t work. |
| 01:50:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, that I agree with. |
| 01:51:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Its just annoying that if you mess it up, you end up scrolling at light-speed through the top quickscreen selection. |
| 01:51:31 | Llorean | Well up in the quickscreen didn't *used* to change options |
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| 02:32:14 | kugel | why is the charging button on menu anyway? |
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| 02:33:32 | Llorean | Because that's the button that was used on other players before, I think |
| 02:33:35 | Llorean | Isn't it Select on the e200? |
| 02:33:39 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: it is? |
| 02:34:10 | kugel | it's select on the e200 yes |
| 02:35:39 | kugel | the easiest fix seems to simply change it to select on the ipods |
| 02:36:31 | pixelma | what do you gain - you'll call the context menu instead |
| 02:38:15 | kugel | as Llorean, every button does something so that's something you can't avoid |
| 02:38:47 | Llorean | pixelma: Holding Select in the context menu doesn't easily cause unwanted effects. |
| 02:38:55 | Llorean | While holding Menu apparently can now that changes were made |
| 02:39:07 | kugel | and for accidental entering, the context menu seems less bad that the quickscreen |
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| 02:50:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm...FWIW |<< & >>| do nothing on long holds on the ipods. |
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| 02:50:44 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd see one of those two as a better solution to flip the charging behaviour on the them. |
| 02:50:58 | S_a_i_n_t | As opposed to, menu/select. |
| 02:52:40 | S_a_i_n_t | *when in the menu that is, obviously this won;t work in the WPS |
| 02:52:45 | Llorean | |<< Should take you to the furthest up menu level |
| 02:52:59 | S_a_i_n_t | a short press does, long press...nothing. |
| 02:53:05 | Llorean | >>| doesn't do anything yet, but it has been considered for "select" if multi-select ever happens. |
| 02:53:31 | Llorean | But if anything, it should be select. It's pretty much the easiest button to hold consistently while plugging something in. |
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| 02:53:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Shit, sorry, my mistake. |
| 02:53:44 | S_a_i_n_t | You're quite correct. |
| 02:53:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Bah, back to the drawing board. |
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| 02:57:03 | JdGordon | regarding the bookmarking... there is an old patch of mine whcih tries to replace the .bmark file with a copy of the .playliist_control file so everything can be bookmarked |
| 02:59:06 | pixelma | isn't holding left or right a forced horizontal scroll (you need a long enough menu item though depending on font and actual screen size)? |
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| 03:03:16 | Llorean | pixelma: It used to be, actually. I don't know |
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| 03:13:19 | Llorean | I used to use it on my H100 all the time, but the extra width of my Gigabeat's screen, and the fact that I still use about the same font size, means it's less necessary. |
| 03:14:10 | S_a_i_n_t | My ipod Nano1g (25296) doesn't give the "Battery low: Shutting Down" splash when the battery dies and its in the WPS. Is this expected behaviour? |
| 03:14:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I seem to remember it prompted wheter in the WPS or not. |
| 03:14:45 | saratoga_lab | that probably means it shut off before it hit the low voltage threshold |
| 03:15:26 | S_a_i_n_t | the battery reads 9%, it gives the splash when its not in the WPS, I've checked this. |
| 03:16:01 | S_a_i_n_t | When it *is* in the WPS, it just dies...the screen slowly fades. |
| 03:16:15 | saratoga_lab | was the screen already on? |
| 03:16:25 | S_a_i_n_t | come again? |
| 03:16:39 | saratoga_lab | was the screen already on when it faded |
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| 03:16:46 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
| 03:16:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Showing the WPS. |
| 03:17:04 | saratoga_lab | including backlight? |
| 03:17:05 | S_a_i_n_t | then, just BAM...dead. |
| 03:17:16 | S_a_i_n_t | but if its in the menu, I get the splash. |
| 03:17:26 | saratoga_lab | hmm though i guess on the 2g it probably doesn't need to bring on the backlight when it shows the splash |
| 03:17:40 | S_a_i_n_t | this is the Nano1g |
| 03:19:03 | S_a_i_n_t | It usually brings on the backlight for "shutting down" (which I think is odd), but in this case, while in the WPS...no warning, just, dead. |
| 03:27:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Correction, it *doesn't* give the Battery low: shutting down" splash while in the menu. |
| 03:27:39 | S_a_i_n_t | It gives that splash if I turn it off manually when the battery is this low. |
| 03:27:49 | S_a_i_n_t | but it never *quite* shuts down properly... |
| 03:27:51 | S_a_i_n_t | :\ |
| 03:28:27 | S_a_i_n_t | On the main menu/menu, it just dies like I described and the screen slowly fades out. |
| 03:31:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I wanted to keep experimenting its failings...but the battery is good'n'dead now. |
| 03:31:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Its definitely not "intended behaviour" |
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| 04:25:05 | S_a_i_n_t | An .icons file *should* override anything defined in viewers.config, should it not? |
| 04:25:29 | JdGordon | thats the thery |
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| 04:25:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...somethings definitely wrong then, I *really* wish I could see what it is though. |
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| 04:29:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Try as I might, I just *can't* get an icon displayed for .config, .playlist_control, .tcd, .bin, ...shit, that's all I remember. |
| 04:29:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Anyone else experience this weirdness? |
| 04:30:51 | S_a_i_n_t | and *all* of those exts are in my .icons file, in fact I have ~250 exts in my icons file, so I *should* be covered for pretty much any eventuality. |
| 04:31:46 | Llorean | There may be an upper limit to how many filetypes a .icons can cover? |
| 04:32:13 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought that, but it didn;t work when my .icons file only had ~20 entries. |
| 04:32:26 | S_a_i_n_t | I made it specifically to cover the exts that had no icon. |
| 04:32:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I've tried an .icons file with *just* the exts that don;t display an icon, but still no dice. |
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| 07:12:28 | JdGordon | how do we delte wiki pages? |
| 07:12:36 | JdGordon | or is that not possible for regular users? |
| 07:13:40 | JdGordon | ah, found it |
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| 07:24:44 | S_a_i_n_t | Anyone know of a way I can screenshot/dump the images in an .ipsw file? |
| 07:25:24 | S_a_i_n_t | iPodwizard *says* it can do it, but my antivirus had a fucking fit when I clicked the dl link...so I'm not going there :P |
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| 07:46:57 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: which generation? |
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| 07:48:27 | S_a_i_n_t | i/2g...doesn't really matter. |
| 07:48:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd just like to drop the images from the ipod/.ipsw if possible |
| 07:49:01 | S_a_i_n_t | 1/2g rather |
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| 07:49:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I know its offtopic, so PM me if you'd rather |
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| 10:03:11 | xsteadfastx | i discovered that its pretty slow to transfer music to the microsd card in my sansa e250. pretty much slower then if i put music on the player itself |
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| 10:44:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Is there a reason why the Nano1g manual doesn't show A-B as a repeat mode? The description is "Repeat mode, 0-4, in the order: Off, All, One, Shuffle"...which, obviously, makes no sense at all. |
| 10:44:28 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. the "0-4" part. |
| 10:49:18 | pixelma | you would get one of the numbers between 0 and 4 if you use the repeat mode tag unconditioinally |
| 10:50:07 | S_a_i_n_t | My point is, the description is missin "A-B" |
| 10:50:17 | S_a_i_n_t | *missing |
| 10:50:59 | pixelma | the reason is probably that some targets with few buttons only got A-B repeat later. First it was only possible if you had free button (combos) to set the A-B markers, only later a "enable A-B repeat, set A marker, set B marker, clear markers" mode was added |
| 10:51:16 | pixelma | and the manual not updated accordingly |
| 10:52:06 | pixelma | my guess with some background knowledge |
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| 10:58:46 | linuxstb | pixelma: So what you're saying is "patches to the manual are welcome" ? ;) |
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| 10:59:53 | pixelma | indeed :) |
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| 12:05:24 | notlistening | I know this is a stupid question but I have rockbox dev enviroment just setup using /tools and now have to add the path to the arm-elf tool and I am struggling to add that to my path I have added .bashrc and path shows up correctly when i do echo $path but still getting error but which arm-elf-gcc is not working |
| 12:05:35 | notlistening | any ideas? Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 12:06:27 | archivator | notlistening: what error are you getting and what exactly is in your PATH? |
| 12:07:09 | notlistening | /bin/sh: arm-elf-gcc: not found |
| 12:07:12 | krazykit | did you log out and back in after altering your .bashrc? |
| 12:07:19 | notlistening | yup |
| 12:07:28 | archivator | krazykit: shouldn't he just restart the terminal app? |
| 12:07:37 | archivator | it's bashrc, not .profile |
| 12:08:07 | notlistening | when i type echo $PATH I get /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/arm-elf |
| 12:08:37 | n1s | append a/bin |
| 12:08:42 | notlistening | but have just noticed the arm-elf dir now contains a /bin folder with the tools should i add that |
| 12:08:43 | n1s | eh a /bin |
| 12:08:47 | notlistening | lol thought so |
| 12:09:10 | notlistening | umm that needs changing in the install script for idiots like me |
| 12:10:28 | notlistening | to prevent a logout use: source ~/.bashrc |
| 12:11:55 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: as I thought - the A-B part in the WPS tag table in the appendix is only enabled for the Archoses (that already had this mode in the beginning). It was put this way in the initial commit of this part of the manual and never touched since |
| 12:12:39 | pixelma | in the meantime all targets should have A-B repeat (and the Ondio does, so the most problematic regarding number of buttons) |
| 12:12:47 | pixelma | currently |
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| 12:12:56 | archivator | re: porting flite : is it going to be a huge problem if I stick to ARM at the beginning (btw, I'm almost convinced it can be done now, so I'll be doing it gsoc or no gsoc :) )? |
| 12:13:01 | notlistening | Trying to compile on the CLip+ and getting : make: *** No rule to make target `/home/tom/rockbox/apps/codecs/libmusepack/musepack.h', needed by `/home/tom/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/mpc.o'. Stop. |
| 12:13:34 | linuxstb | archivator: Why do you need to stick to ARM? |
| 12:14:06 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: the description how to use it is explained and got a section for all in the repeat mode settings |
| 12:14:29 | archivator | linuxstb: as a safety precaution. Basically, flite has a port to palmos, so I know it can work on ARM. There are some ugly hacks in the internal data structures that will need investigating on other archs. |
| 12:14:53 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: I know how to use it, I just thought it was odd the manual didn;tlist it. |
| 12:15:15 | S_a_i_n_t | But it obviously had the intention of being there, as it listed 0-4 options. |
| 12:15:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks for looking into it though ;) |
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| 12:16:44 | linuxstb | archivator: I thought palmos was also m68k, like our Coldfire targets? Also, does that mean it won't work in the sim? |
| 12:18:05 | archivator | linuxstb: from what I gather, m68k emulation was too slow for flite to be functional, so they ported it to the underlying ARM platform. I see no reason why it shouldn't work on the sim. It compiles just fine on x86 and x86_64. |
| 12:18:37 | archivator | Really, I wasn't saying I won't try to port it to every arch. All I meant was that I'll focus primarily on ARM at the beginning. |
| 12:22:06 | notlistening | Is there a way to stop the Sansa E200v2 Loding into the OF when the power is turned cord is plugged in? |
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| 12:33:39 | S_a_i_n_t | notlistening: FS #11101 |
| 12:33:59 | S_a_i_n_t | shit, sorry...I read your post wrong. Ignore that. |
| 12:36:41 | notlistening | S_a_i_n_t, thanks for looking anyways |
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| 12:38:36 | S_a_i_n_t | There is a way to do it, well *I'm fairly certain there is*... |
| 12:38:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I don;t have that target, so I'm not sure though. |
| 12:39:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I think someone came up with a solution for this as it annoyed them that it booted the OF every time they started thier car...but I can't seem to find the Forum thread. |
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| 13:01:05 | wodz | Ladies and gentelments We have sound on MPIO HD200 ! |
| 13:01:57 | Zagor | yay! |
| 13:03:24 | Bagder | wodz: congrats! |
| 13:03:30 | wodz | :-) |
| 13:03:55 | pamaury | congratulations ! |
| 13:04:02 | wodz | now I have to clean up this mess I do have in my sources |
| 13:05:20 | n1s | \o/ |
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| 13:12:27 | kugel | no gentlement mail? :) |
| 13:14:40 | kugel | good news that the hd200 has sound, the samsung yh-j70 I have has the wm8750 as well |
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| 13:15:04 | kugel | the L version though |
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| 13:27:20 | wodz | hmm, the ui reacts on volume buttons but audiohw_set_master_vol is never called. Any clue why? |
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| 13:39:02 | funman | kugel: hey, i've got backlight working |
| 13:39:40 | kugel | cool! |
| 13:40:09 | funman | it doesn't work in the bootloader, i'll try setting a default brightness at init |
| 13:40:23 | funman | can you send me what you've done for buttons ? |
| 13:41:09 | funman | FlynDice: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100329#00:21:22 : you're right. bank switching/init might even work while not transferring a full sector but i didn't try it |
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| 13:45:43 | kugel | funman: yes, wait a second |
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| 13:47:27 | funman | kugel: i don't get the comment in _backlight_on(), does it come from another mode L? |
| 13:47:27 | kugel | funman: http://pastie.org/893317 I hacked dbg_ports() to show before root_menu |
| 13:47:30 | funman | model* |
| 13:47:43 | kugel | which commend exactly? |
| 13:47:56 | funman | #if (CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADING != BACKLIGHT_FADING_SW_SETTING) /* in bootloader/sim */ |
| 13:47:59 | funman | /* if we set the brightness to the settings value, then fading up |
| 13:48:02 | funman | * is glitchy */ |
| 13:48:12 | kugel | with that patch you can see gpio changes for all buttons except scrollwheel |
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| 13:48:30 | kugel | that's from another target but effectively applies to all targets with FADING_SW_SETTING |
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| 13:56:54 | kugel | funman: should I give you push access on my repo.or.cz repo so we can work on a single repo? |
| 13:57:24 | funman | kugel: you want to work on another tree before buttons are finished? |
| 13:57:52 | kugel | I surely don't plan to commit that dbg_ports hack to svn :p |
| 13:58:21 | funman | if i can use the arrows+center & power that's enough for me :P |
| 13:58:29 | kugel | i just thought it's more convinient than sharing the patches here |
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| 14:00:53 | funman | i'm not sure if i'll help you with the buttons so i wouldn't need write access |
| 14:07:14 | funman | kugel: http://pastie.org/893335 |
| 14:07:40 | kugel | but I would like to have your backlight improvements :) |
| 14:08:10 | funman | backlight_on doesn't modify the backlight setting (i think it is kept in memory when we switch the backlight on/off) |
| 14:08:19 | funman | so I removed the special case, does it sound ok ? |
| 14:09:34 | kugel | backlight_on should set the brightness to what the user has set if fading feature is disabled |
| 14:10:02 | funman | and what else if it's enabled ? |
| 14:10:18 | kugel | don't touch it, since it's handled in another function |
| 14:10:40 | kugel | backlight_on is called before the fading starts (to enable the lcd, for example) |
| 14:10:46 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25377): Fuzev2: fix backlight brightness ... |
| 14:10:49 | funman | ok :) |
| 14:11:54 | kugel | was I reading the wrong function in the disasm ? |
| 14:12:23 | funman | nope, it was just calling a special case of ascodec |
| 14:12:54 | funman | 1 argument is a subregister (found this in the linux code), and they're write-only (didn't see that in the linux code but deep in the OF today) |
| 14:14:57 | funman | i don't know what the 8| is for |
| 14:15:39 | funman | i'll look at clip+ backlight later |
| 14:16:40 | kugel | but *10 seems simpler that what I extracted from the OF |
| 14:17:18 | funman | what it really did was ((setting + 1) * 10) & 0xff; |
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| 14:17:43 | funman | since ascodec only write bytes we don't need to clear the top bits, and we can skip the +1 by starting at 1 directly |
| 14:19:38 | funman | (((x << 2) + x) + 5) << 1) = ((x*5) + 5) << 1 = (x*10+10) = (x+1)*10 |
| 14:20:03 | funman | the << 1 is mixed with & 0xff (<< 25, >> 24) |
| 14:24:03 | funman | pamaury: I keep http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Port_Status up to date as much as possible |
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| 14:33:21 | pamaury | yes, I was looking at it but I was wondering why it was unstable with only usb non working but then I saw that storage was read-only :) That changes things a bit ! |
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| 14:34:30 | funman | yes, and there are still some problems with sound. It shouldn't be too hard to fix (especially with the as3543 source code in the linux patches) but I wait a bit to see if my AMS contact answers with the as3543 datasheet |
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| 14:35:44 | pamaury | the clip ones are brickable in theory, did that already happen/is there a real risk ? |
| 14:36:44 | funman | all clips are brickable, if you don't modify mkamsboot it should be safe (i bricked a few but only with hacked versions of mkamsboot) |
| 14:38:24 | kugel | funman: ah, so I sucked :p |
| 14:38:36 | pamaury | but there is no risk if I don't touch mkamsboot ? |
| 14:39:04 | pamaury | funman: did you recovered them or were there permanently bricked ? |
| 14:39:11 | avar | Sounds like there's need of a Clip+ FAQ , I'm here for it too :) |
| 14:39:14 | funman | kugel: i just simplified the arithmetic today while thinking hard about it, i suck just like you then :p |
| 14:39:25 | funman | pamaury: bricked |
| 14:40:43 | funman | assuming you only try released bootloaders on tested versions of the OF (there are md5sums of tested OFs in mkamsboot) then the risk is the same than upgrading the (unpatched) OF |
| 14:40:56 | avar | Who's been doing most of the Clip+ work? FlynDice judging from some of the commit messages, and funman. |
| 14:43:39 | pamaury | funman: what happen if the file system is corrupted on the clip ? Is it bricked ? |
| 14:43:52 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25378): Clipv2/Clip+ : turn off backlight in 0x1b register ... |
| 14:44:07 | kugel | funman: maybe their compiler optimizes *10 in that way? |
| 14:44:11 | funman | avar: recently yes, although i hope kugel will participate after he finishes fuzev2 buttons |
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| 14:44:55 | funman | kugel: gcc does something similar afaict |
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| 14:45:29 | kugel | well, on armv5 *10 as a mul is probably faster than that series of instructions |
| 14:45:33 | funman | pamaury: the firmware is not stored on the filesystem so it's safe. it's stored on the first sectors of the flash (see the offset applied to start sector in sd_*_sectors() ) |
| 14:51:49 | avar | funman: That's neat, it was on my infinite todo to try to port rockbox to my sansa clip+, nice that somebody that knows what they're doing beat me to it. Anyway if there are some testing / C coding tasks to be done I'd be happy to try to help. I didn't find anything relevant in the bug tracker. |
| 14:52:12 | avar | I also subscribed to rockbox-dev, I guess that'll help:) |
| 14:52:49 | funman | avar: check out SansaAMS on the wiki, not working items are in red/yellow (there's nothing on the tracker) |
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| 14:53:32 | funman | pick any items and tell us so we don't work on the same thing, FlynDice is working on SD writes, except that you're free to pick up any item :) |
| 14:54:09 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25379): as3543: name 0x1b & 0x1c registers |
| 14:55:03 | kugel | do we really have 25 backlight levels? |
| 14:55:16 | kugel | could we go even finer if we do *5 instead of *10? |
| 14:55:21 | funman | i don't know |
| 14:55:35 | kugel | the of has 12 levels |
| 14:55:37 | funman | writing 5 (1*5) didn't work |
| 14:55:50 | funman | finish the buttons so we can test ! :p |
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| 14:56:34 | kugel | well, I tried hard to find the scrollwheel bits |
| 14:57:25 | kugel | the OF always calls the read function with read_gpioa_67 == false, but it calls the read_gpioa_67 separately later |
| 14:57:27 | funman | if the other buttons work fine can you commit them ? |
| 14:57:38 | kugel | I can try later today |
| 14:59:29 | kugel | funman: btw, something is wrong with amsinfo I think |
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| 15:00:27 | kugel | usb_functio is detected strangely, and if I load it into ida, and then jump from the firmware part into a function that's supposed to be in usb_functio I mostly get garbage |
| 15:00:36 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25380): as3525v2: factorize writing to ascodec PMU |
| 15:00:45 | funman | kugel: which OF ? |
| 15:00:54 | kugel | 2.01.17 fuzev2 |
| 15:02:25 | funman | "detected strangely" ? |
| 15:03:19 | funman | where is this function (in the firmware part) ? |
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| 15:13:36 | wodz | there is a bug in scramble.c I think. there is definition char modelname[5]; and later there is strcpy(modelname, &argv[1][5]); for name h10_5gb this will fail badly |
| 15:14:57 | kugel | wodz: modelname comes from configure, it should only be 4 chars |
| 15:15:46 | wodz | so what does the line else if(!strcmp(&argv[1][5], "h10_5gb")) ? in scramble.c |
| 15:16:25 | wodz | anyway why do we stick to 4 chars names? |
| 15:16:45 | kugel | tool="$rootdir/tools/scramble -mi4v2 -model=h105 -type=RBOS" |
| 15:17:00 | kugel | nothing passes h10_5gb to scramble actually |
| 15:17:19 | Torne | wodz: because 4 chars is enough :) |
| 15:17:37 | wodz | yeaa |
| 15:17:52 | wodz | You should add for everyone :-) |
| 15:18:53 | kugel | it should use strncpy still |
| 15:19:03 | wodz | why not extend modelname size and do strncpy for safety |
| 15:19:30 | kugel | because the former would break everything :) |
| 15:19:40 | wodz | kugel, how? |
| 15:19:47 | kugel | (unless our bootloader aren't actually checking the model string?) |
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| 15:41:44 | bjoernb | hi |
| 15:43:09 | bjoernb | i am searching for a small (like finger size) media player that is capable to play flac and ogg. i do not need a big display for video or sth. like that. do you have any reccomendations? |
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| 15:43:38 | Bagder | sansa clip? |
| 15:43:52 | bjoernb | i'll have a look |
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| 15:53:52 | topik_ | clip+ does it well |
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| 16:18:08 | bjoernb | how does sansa clip+ work with linux? |
| 16:20:45 | ThomasAH | bjoernb: perfectly, even special characters (umlauts, japanese characters) work with OF and rockbox if you mount it with utf8 mount option (usb mass storage) |
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| 16:27:44 | literal | yeah, no problems at all in Linux |
| 16:29:11 | bjoernb | do i really need rockbox, or does it work out of the box? |
| 16:29:23 | literal | you don't need rockbox |
| 16:29:44 | literal | in fact, rockbox support for the Clip+ is still experimental |
| 16:29:50 | gevaerts | if you don't want rockbox though, you're better off somewhere else... |
| 16:33:22 | literal | bjoernb: the only Linux-specific thing you need to know about is that if you use the player in MSC (mass storage) mode, which is recommended in Linux, you should put a file called .is_media_player on it so that programs like Banshee know it's a media player and not just some usb stick (see http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ) |
| 16:33:34 | literal | sorry, I meant .is_audio_player |
| 16:34:21 | literal | but yeah, this is outside the scope of this IRC channel |
| 16:38:55 | bjoernb | literal: thanks. |
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| 16:39:29 | bjoernb | i was just curious to buy such device, when i have it i still can install rockbox on it. thanks so far. |
| 16:39:33 | bjoernb | bye. |
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| 17:22:42 | Blue_Dude | Just a heads up. I plan to commit FS #11081 this evening if there are no more objections. I think I've addressed the main issues. So far only the e200 target is affected. Other targets can follow very easily, just need some work on the keymaps. |
| 17:23:29 | Blue_Dude | I'll come back later and check the log and the mailing list in case anyone raises another issue. |
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| 17:25:22 | * | Llorean thinks keymaps for as many targets as possible should go in _before_ the commit |
| 17:25:28 | Llorean | Rather than just hoping they'll get done later. |
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| 18:53:55 | Llorean | Torne: Don't most/all Apple chargers charge at 1000 isntead of 500, actually? |
| 18:54:01 | Torne | No |
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| 18:54:04 | Torne | They are *rated* for 1000 |
| 18:54:07 | Llorean | Ah |
| 18:54:19 | Torne | But as far as I have been able to tell I don't think any of the PP ipods can actually draw that much |
| 18:54:20 | Llorean | But the OF doesn't draw that much? |
| 18:54:24 | Llorean | Weird |
| 18:54:33 | Torne | I don't htink they have a GPIO hooked up to the relevant pin of the ltc charge chip |
| 18:54:37 | * | Llorean 's HTC chargers are also rated at 1000. |
| 18:54:39 | Torne | Or on some of them it may not even have such a pin |
| 18:54:49 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure they actually do charge at that though, my phone charges much faster there than hooked up to a PC |
| 18:54:52 | Torne | The iphone/ipodtouch/etc I am *reasonably* sure *do* draw 1000mA |
| 18:55:06 | Torne | and htey *require* the USB 2.0 charger id method: data pins shorted together |
| 18:55:22 | Torne | which older ipods do not, they are happy with ancient apple chargers which just pull them high/low through weird resistors |
| 18:55:31 | Llorean | Does the USB 2.0 charger spec specify how much a charger should be rated for? |
| 18:55:33 | Torne | yes |
| 18:55:43 | Torne | well sort of |
| 18:56:22 | Torne | shorting D+ and D- means it's a dedicated charging port |
| 18:56:36 | Torne | devices are allowed to draw 1.8A from such a port |
| 18:56:47 | Torne | at 5.25V if they want :) |
| 18:57:12 | Torne | but the general assumption in the industry seems to be "well we'll just turn our regulators off and the charger will not allow us to explode it" |
| 18:57:23 | Torne | which is probably fairly resonable and sane in practise :0 |
| 18:58:22 | Torne | if the charger has bothered to short the data pins it's likely it is also not going to let the attached device melt it. |
| 18:59:05 | Llorean | Gotcha. |
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| 18:59:40 | Torne | anyway, i don't know of a way to make any of the PP ipods draw anything other than 100 or 500 |
| 18:59:41 | Llorean | Not that I'm terribly concerned about the iPod charging situation. The only real charging problem I ever butt my head against is one that's rather unlikely to be changed. |
| 18:59:50 | Torne | so for now that's not that important :0 |
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| 19:00:32 | Llorean | Since we can't do anything about the beast's OF charger detection during boot. |
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| 19:01:53 | Torne | well maybe we will one day ;) |
| 19:02:20 | Llorean | Once we can reflash it, maybe. |
| 19:02:40 | Llorean | If the battery's low, it'll boot if you have the actual charger connected, but not if you're trying to power it from USB. =/ |
| 19:03:22 | Llorean | And it doesn't charge from USB while off, so unlike a lot of the other devices, you can't just make sure you've got a USB cable on hand. |
| 19:04:15 | Torne | well we *can* reflash it now, i'm pretty sure it's a normal CFI nor part |
| 19:04:25 | Torne | wouldn't take five minutes to code a flashing plugin for it ;) |
| 19:04:35 | Torne | and yeah, i know that one |
| 19:04:45 | Torne | it's on my list of "things to find out about the bootloader when i have infinite time" :) |
| 19:06:19 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 19:08:58 | Torne | well, i have gotten fairly far in the beast rom disassembly |
| 19:09:08 | Torne | just not been doing it for a while, it's been pushed fairly far down the stack. |
| 19:09:12 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 19:12:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25381): as3525: CGU_USB has only 3 bits for the divider |
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| 19:35:36 | Buschel | pixelma, Llorean, nls: If there are no more concerns I will submit fs #11148. |
| 19:36:40 | Llorean | Isn't spdif by default off? |
| 19:38:20 | Llorean | Not that it really matters or anything, the patch looks fine I think |
| 19:40:12 | Buschel | Llorean: default is off. but it should be referenced in the new section |
| 19:41:23 | Llorean | Yes, it should |
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| 19:41:37 | SuperMouton | Hello :) |
| 19:41:47 | Llorean | I just would've written it with a "don't turn it on unless you need it" tone rather than a "you should turn it off" style statement. It's not important at all though. |
| 19:42:11 | SuperMouton | I have some really newbies questions to ask, can i ? :3 |
| 19:42:54 | bluebroth3r | domonoky, pixelma (and others interested): I'm planning to replace the rbutil icon on linux with a svg version. Unfortunately it seems I can't use different images for different sizes with svg (works fine with bitmaps) so that would mean to completele replace it. Which one looks better? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-windowicon.jpg |
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| 19:43:46 | pixelma | SuperMouton: don't ask to ask, just ask (if it's about Rockbox) |
| 19:43:51 | bluebroth3r | using the "Rb" icons is somewhat problematic for the small display (taskbar), but the clef looks a bit "empty" on big sizes |
| 19:43:53 | Llorean | bluebroth3r: I personally prefer #2 |
| 19:43:55 | SuperMouton | Ok ! :) |
| 19:44:49 | bluebroth3r | along that, we could also consider replacing the "Rb" icon for large icons with the clef on w32 and mac to have it consistent (and not change the icon between sizes) |
| 19:45:00 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: i like the Rb icon more, at least for bigger icons :-) |
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| 19:45:28 | domonoky | the clef in big looks so empty. |
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| 19:45:39 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: I wanted to show the Rb one for large icons (i.e. 48x48 and up), but it seems QIcon doesn't handle this for non-pixmap icons :( |
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| 19:46:16 | domonoky | using the same icon always is a good idea. |
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| 19:47:06 | bluebroth3r | well, I kinda liked using a different (i.e. less detailed) icon for small sizes. Like currently on w32 for the explorer icon (though that is handled by the windows resource and not related to Qt) |
| 19:47:11 | SuperMouton | I've installed today RockBox for my 5.5G iPod Video (80G). Is it possible to choose between RockBox or the initial Apple system when i boot my iPod ? I search a little in the forum but english is not my native language so it's pretty diffucult for me :3 |
| 19:47:23 | bluebroth3r | otoh I would really prefer to use svg on linux. |
| 19:47:37 | domonoky | SuperMouton: yes, by holding a buttón on boot. See manual :-) |
| 19:48:04 | bluebroth3r | SuperMouton: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
| 19:48:13 | SuperMouton | Thank you :) |
| 19:48:30 | bluebroth3r | SuperMouton: the primary source for documentation should be the documentation, not the forums :) |
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| 19:48:57 | SuperMouton | Sorry :s |
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| 19:50:18 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: what happens if you set two different svgs for different icon sizes ? |
| 19:51:05 | SuperMouton | What is the 'hold switch' ? |
| 19:51:44 | domonoky | SuperMouton: the slider on the side (top?) of your ipod. |
| 19:51:59 | SuperMouton | To lock the ipod ? |
| 19:52:12 | domonoky | jup, thats the "hold switch".. |
| 19:52:19 | SuperMouton | Ok thank you :) |
| 19:52:29 | domonoky | maybe try to use google translate if you dont know words :-) |
| 19:52:38 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: it simply uses the last one set. |
| 19:52:58 | linuxstb | SuperMouton: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-250003 |
| 19:53:14 | bluebroth3r | SuperMouton: scroll a bit up on that page, there is an explanation of the buttons |
| 19:53:28 | SuperMouton | google translate get me 'commutateur Hold', doesn't mean anything in french ^^ |
| 19:53:33 | SuperMouton | Ok, thank you again ! |
| 19:53:42 | bluebroth3r | please do look first ... it's even on the very same page |
| 19:54:08 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: bad. thats probably the svg icon engine doing it. There is a note in Qt docs, that they are free to ignore additional images. |
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| 19:54:46 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: yes, I assume that. Maybe I should ask in #qt to make sure. It works when I use a png image instead, but using svg + png doesn't |
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| 19:55:17 | bluebroth3r | interestingly if I use png images the order does matter :o |
| 19:55:18 | domonoky | or we just use the clef everywhere, if its too much work :-) |
| 19:55:56 | domonoky | that definitly points to the svg icon engine. we could write our own to solve that :-) |
| 19:56:22 | bluebroth3r | there is also the option to use either clef or "Rb" only on linux. Windows and OS X are not affected by this (w32 gets the icon from the resource, and OS X from the bundle) |
| 19:58:19 | CIA-5 | New commit by Buschel (r25382): Add new section 'Optimising battery runtime' to the manual (FS #11148). |
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| 20:01:49 | domonoky | then i would vote for only rb on linux.. |
| 20:02:58 | bluebroth3r | any other opinions which one to use? |
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| 20:03:53 | SuperMouton | Is rockbox using more battery than the original system ? |
| 20:04:35 | Zagor | SuperMouton: generally, no |
| 20:04:41 | Buschel | SuperMouton: On an iPod Video you can suspass the runtime of the Apple firmware. |
| 20:04:45 | Buschel | *surpass |
| 20:05:14 | SuperMouton | Ok, thanks. |
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| 20:08:40 | SuperMouton | got to go. thank you for you answers and have a nice and beautiful day :-) |
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| 20:44:54 | Makuseru | Hi, I just got a Toshiba Gigabeat S with the intentions to put rockbox on, but I cant get my computer to recognize it. I'm running Kubuntu 9.10, and when i plug the player in it just says "connected" on the player, and "mtp-detect" returns the player, but it doesnt show up as an external drive like it should. Can anyone help me with what would be causing this? |
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| 20:46:37 | gevaerts | Makuseru: the gigabeat S won't show up as a drive. The original firmware on it is MTP only |
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| 20:48:07 | Makuseru | gevaerts: well how do i go about installing it then? (This is my first Gigabeat S, but ive put rockbox on like three Gigabeat F's) |
| 20:49:19 | gevaerts | Makuseru: see tha manual, http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-gigabeats/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 20:52:15 | Makuseru | gevaerts: I downloaded beastpatcher, but it wouldnt install, it said "no devices found" |
| 20:52:36 | gevaerts | are you running it with root permissions? |
| 20:52:44 | Makuseru | No. |
| 20:52:59 | Makuseru | Should I? |
| 20:53:10 | gevaerts | I suspect so, yes |
| 20:54:01 | gevaerts | the manual should say this... |
| 20:54:10 | * | gevaerts grumbles and heads of to fix the manual |
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| 20:55:11 | Makuseru | gevaerts: isnt it a pretty bad idea to run wine as root though/ |
| 20:55:32 | AlexP | Makuseru: Why not run the linux binary? |
| 20:55:46 | gevaerts | the wine binary isn't going to work on linux... |
| 20:55:57 | gevaerts | *windows |
| 20:56:33 | AlexP | gevaerts: Are you sure it needs root, I didn't think so |
| 20:56:34 | Makuseru | Haha, i didnt see the linux version, i just saw the windows one. |
| 20:56:48 | AlexP | I think the problem here is trying to use a binary for the wrong platform |
| 20:57:00 | gevaerts | AlexP: maybe not. I'm not sure now... |
| 20:57:59 | Makuseru | Well that worked just fine. |
| 20:58:05 | gevaerts | good :) |
| 20:58:20 | Makuseru | The Gigabeat is displaying "Bootloader USB mode" now and it just popped up as a volume. |
| 20:58:30 | Makuseru | I appreciate you guys and all the work you put into Rockbox. |
| 20:58:45 | AlexP | Wait till you get it running :) |
| 20:59:01 | Makuseru | Ive been using Rockbox on a Gigabeat F for years now. |
| 20:59:08 | Makuseru | I absolutely love it. |
| 20:59:22 | Makuseru | I just got a Gigabeat S and it not showing up as a drive was just messing with me. |
| 20:59:36 | AlexP | I mean until the S actually boots, it can occasionally be a bit temperamental |
| 20:59:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:59:51 | gevaerts | AlexP: "until"? You mean it stops then? :) |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:10 | AlexP | It stops booting when it has booted, yes :) |
| 21:03:17 | saratoga | i want to tell that guy on the mailing list that adding a jump to time feature in rockbox really isn't useful enough to go into SVN |
| 21:03:22 | saratoga | but i'm not sure others would agree |
| 21:03:38 | gevaerts | saratoga: if you add "I think", you're fine :) |
| 21:03:49 | saratoga | do we have a policy on adding new features to playback/gui that aren't generally useful to most people |
| 21:03:54 | saratoga | but might be to a few |
| 21:04:28 | gevaerts | From looking at the list of features we have, I seriously doubt if there's such a policy |
| 21:04:29 | saratoga | it seems like we should probably have some agreement on what can be added so we don't keep ending up with a mess of confusing and not widely useful features (e.g. disable track skip) |
| 21:05:35 | evilnick_B | saratoga: Maybe something for the nodo chat at DCE? |
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| 21:06:11 | notlistening | e200v2 stop it booting to the OF when power is plugged in, what do i need to modify? |
| 21:06:37 | gevaerts | notlistening: the best way is to implement USB support |
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| 21:08:06 | User67703 | hello |
| 21:08:14 | notlistening | gevaerts, lol thats what everyone want but iknow during the development it was default to boot rockbox, and it got changed but i just want this for myself as i have an external power supply that i want to use on the move |
| 21:08:17 | User67703 | rockbox support ntfs? |
| 21:08:30 | gevaerts | User67703: no |
| 21:08:38 | User67703 | thx |
| 21:08:55 | gevaerts | notlistening: I'm pretty sure that the default on AMS sansas on USB plugin has *always* been to boot the OF |
| 21:09:14 | saratoga | it didn't get changed, its always been like this |
| 21:09:36 | notlistening | lol it was changed i know :D |
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| 21:10:01 | gevaerts | You know more than we do then. When was it changed? |
| 21:10:20 | notlistening | would it have been funman that did the work or atomik? |
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| 21:11:51 | notlistening | if i find it in the forums i will let you know |
| 21:11:53 | wodz | hello, I would like to rise again bug in scramble.c. Well it is not a problem but rather "not good programing practise". 1) variable modelname is not initialized and 2) later we do strcpy to it. If the name of the model is longer than 4 chars bad things will happen. |
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| 21:13:13 | wodz | the fix is simply initialize modelname (line 148) and do strncpy instead of strcpy (line 336) |
| 21:13:59 | gevaerts | wodz: it should use strncpy(), yes. Why does it need dummy initialisation though? |
| 21:15:43 | wodz | gevaerts: suppose we will have 5 chars name (by accident or intentional). After strncpy(modelname, &argv[1][5],4) we may end up with not null terminated string |
| 21:16:17 | wodz | it is safer to initilaize modelname to all nulls |
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| 21:16:38 | gevaerts | wodz: use strlcpy then :) |
| 21:17:23 | kugel | wodz: or (the more common practise) set modelname[4] = '\0' |
| 21:17:29 | kugel | after strncpy |
| 21:17:48 | gevaerts | Or use sprintf |
| 21:17:51 | wodz | all this will do |
| 21:18:04 | kugel | not snprintf? :) |
| 21:18:10 | gevaerts | no need |
| 21:19:16 | gevaerts | sprintf(modelname,"%.4s",whatever) is guaranteed to be bounded |
| 21:19:36 | saratoga | notlistening: r18767 already had the USB detect for the e200v2 present, so if it changed it was probably early fall or maybe summer of 2008 when it happened |
| 21:19:55 | saratoga | although i think the e200v2 port did not really exist back then |
| 21:20:12 | kugel | wasn't it changed recently? |
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| 21:20:23 | kugel | gevaerts: ah, right :) |
| 21:21:22 | wodz | anyway should I craft FS patch for such trivial fix or some of You will commit it? |
| 21:23:08 | kugel | FS is preferred, generally |
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| 21:26:18 | notlistening | I agree that it was quite some time ago and when the port was in its infancy but i know it was changed in the bootloader |
| 21:26:39 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: beastpatcher doesn't need to run as root. |
| 21:26:54 | * | bluebroth3r wonders why people try to run windows binaries with wine :/ |
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| 21:27:20 | gevaerts | bluebroth3r: well, that bit is obvious. The question is why they want to run windows binaries at all :) |
| 21:27:29 | bluebroth3r | remembering those guys that were trying to run rbutil on wine and claimed the autodetection not working at all :o |
| 21:28:00 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: we should stop distributing windows binaries. Those windows users should be able to compile themselves :) |
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| 21:29:16 | AlexP | bluebroth3r: You're a cruel man :) |
| 21:29:25 | gevaerts | bluebroth3r: can't you detect wine in some way? |
| 21:29:31 | bluebroth3r | AlexP: why? Building on Windows isn't hard at all :) |
| 21:30:11 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: no idea, but if so we could add a "do not run this on wine" and exit(-1) to all out tools :) |
| 21:30:12 | archivator | Is anyone actually using festival with rbutil? I tried it last night but it was acting up (typical) and did not change the voice.. |
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| 21:30:47 | wodz | FS #11151 |
| 21:30:57 | * | bluebroth3r only uses the OS X TTS |
| 21:31:12 | archivator | lucky you.. |
| 21:31:21 | archivator | It's actually quite well done |
| 21:31:42 | bluebroth3r | the OS X one? Yes, the quality is amazing (at least on 10.6) |
| 21:31:59 | notlistening | funman, you might know this changes to the e200v2 firmware to boot to the OF not rockbox was that your work? |
| 21:32:14 | funman | no it's not |
| 21:32:20 | bluebroth3r | which unsurprisingly is the reason why I use it on OS X :) |
| 21:32:42 | notlistening | archivator are you intrested in better TTS on linux? |
| 21:32:55 | archivator | bluebroth3r: some of us haven't paid our Apple tax :( |
| 21:33:05 | archivator | notlistening: I can get pretty decent TTS on linux |
| 21:33:12 | archivator | I'm interested in TTS on rockbox :) |
| 21:33:14 | funman | notlistening: if you want to boot rockbox, boot if before plugging USB and keep select button pressed |
| 21:33:19 | pixelma | how was it "acting up"? |
| 21:33:28 | notlistening | oh i have SAPI running under Linuz that's all |
| 21:33:39 | archivator | pixelma: well, it took several tries to actually start and then it hadn't changed the voice. |
| 21:33:46 | domonoky | and there is the opensapi patch for rbutil in the tracker :-) |
| 21:33:57 | * | pixelma is off though for a while... so maybe shouldn't have forced some discussion |
| 21:34:00 | notlistening | funman your the m,man as normal :P |
| 21:34:06 | archivator | SAPI's no fun |
| 21:34:15 | archivator | Festival is actually where the money is |
| 21:34:20 | notlistening | lol domonoky just updated that for the latest svn |
| 21:35:09 | notlistening | ok archivator depends on your aim |
| 21:35:41 | bluebroth3r | indeed, its not really working as expected. |
| 21:35:49 | * | funman listens to FM on his Clip+ |
| 21:36:48 | ThomasAH | funman: wow! |
| 21:37:04 | gevaerts | funman: can you save the preset though? :) |
| 21:37:17 | ThomasAH | gevaerts: that's what the simulator is for :) |
| 21:37:18 | archivator | I didn't want to sound dismissive, so I'll clarify what I mean and will end this OT - festival allows for unit selection voices (including something called multisyn, developed by AWB and KAL), while SAPI voices are generally diphone voices. True, there are some amazing diphone voices (i.e. the OS X default voice) but generally a good unit selection voice sounds more natural and fluent. |
| 21:39:28 | notlistening | when did the clip+ get FM? |
| 21:39:55 | ThomasAH | notlistening: the "how" is more interesting :) |
| 21:40:18 | ThomasAH | (unless the answer is "by booting OF") |
| 21:40:24 | AlexP | notlistening: Just now I imagine |
| 21:40:30 | bluebroth3r | archivator: interesting, I didn't look into much details about TTS −− just implemented support for OS X TTS because it sounds great (compared to the other TTS I've heard before). |
| 21:40:35 | AlexP | That is what funman was telling us |
| 21:40:56 | bluebroth3r | I'll try to look into festival support the next couple of days. No promises though. |
| 21:41:53 | archivator | bluebroth3r: I actually wrote the festival patch so I'll try and figure it out tonight :) |
| 21:42:26 | bluebroth3r | archivator: even better (was already wondering who wrote that patch but didn't look it up yet ;-) |
| 21:42:49 | * | bluebroth3r wants automated tests for rbutil |
| 21:43:20 | archivator | qt has an entire unit test framework |
| 21:43:27 | archivator | Even gui scripting |
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| 21:44:55 | bluebroth3r | I know. The problem is just that someone needs to implement tests ;-) |
| 21:45:14 | * | bluebroth3r started looking into this a couple of days ago but it's just the beginning |
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| 21:47:05 | archivator | given that some things can't be tested without a DAP, what do you feel needs unit test coverage? |
| 21:47:31 | bluebroth3r | everything that can get tested without a DAP :) |
| 21:48:06 | archivator | not much - the extras pretty much cover it all |
| 21:48:20 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25383): as3525v2: FM playback (only tested on Clip+) |
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| 21:48:35 | funman | someone can test this commit on Clipv2 ? |
| 21:49:00 | bluebroth3r | One thing I'd like to see is the bootloader installation classes that don't need a DAP. Especially file and mi4 installation methods. I'm still thinking that the installation problem the current release has (on h10, probably mr100 and similar too) was triggered by a (correct) change in Qt behaviour. |
| 21:49:13 | bluebroth3r | but without any tests we won't notice that. |
| 21:49:59 | notlistening | funman u want another clip+ for verification? |
| 21:50:13 | funman | notlistening: sure |
| 21:50:16 | notlistening | not doubting your work there ;) |
| 21:50:52 | funman | there's no doc for this part so i could have forgotten a bit |
| 21:51:59 | kugel | funman: do you have problems connecting the fuzev2 as well? |
| 21:52:14 | funman | it *seems* i can lower the FM volume much more than fore file playback, not sure since it isn't muted completely |
| 21:52:17 | funman | kugel: connecting? |
| 21:52:26 | kugel | to the pc |
| 21:52:49 | * | kugel gets "hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port X" 50% of the time |
| 21:52:52 | funman | nope but i had problems with clipv2/clip+ iirc |
| 21:53:11 | kugel | ah the backlight is nice |
| 21:53:23 | funman | it was depending from the direction of the wind, so i closed the window and now it's ok |
| 21:53:46 | kugel | my window is closed |
| 21:53:52 | notlistening | building...... yawn |
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| 21:54:01 | funman | try to open it :P |
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| 21:54:15 | funman | notlistening: why not taking http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-sansaclipplus.zip ? |
| 21:54:33 | * | kugel works on buttons now |
| 21:54:46 | notlistening | lol because i did not know if it :D |
| 21:54:51 | funman | how can i add fuzev2 to the binsize delta table ? |
| 21:54:54 | notlistening | I am so out of touch |
| 21:55:49 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r25384): Remove OSX deployment script, Qt now has macdeployqt. |
| 21:55:53 | CIA-5 | New commit by bluebrother (r25385): Add Rockbox Utility SVG window icon on Linux. ... |
| 21:55:56 | kugel | funman: isn't "(swap16(pixels >> 16) << 16) | (swap16(pixels & 0xffff))" == "swap32(pixels)"? |
| 21:56:17 | kugel | well, when I tried that it didn't work |
| 21:56:33 | funman | no, swap32(abcd) => dcba, we need badc |
| 21:56:55 | kugel | ah, right |
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| 21:57:17 | funman | perhaps there is a more efficient method to do that |
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| 22:00:16 | topik | radio works nicely on my clip+, funman |
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| 22:04:29 | topik | aww, pressed too many buttons now it froze |
| 22:06:18 | funman | next thing to find out would be if/why charging works or not |
| 22:07:20 | topik | charging _icon_ works |
| 22:07:46 | Stephen__ | how did you get radio working ? |
| 22:08:46 | funman | topik: if you check in the debug screen > battery , does the % oscillate between 75 and 81% ? |
| 22:09:08 | topik | 86/93 |
| 22:09:29 | kugel | funman: you took stuff out of the lcd init (the ssp stuff)? |
| 22:09:30 | topik | mine is nearly fully charged |
| 22:10:01 | funman | kugel: yes, it's not needed |
| 22:10:25 | kugel | have we found someone with the other lcd type (if it exists)? |
| 22:10:26 | funman | i hope people test it and tell us if their screen doesn't work, if it's the case perhaps we'll have to put it back |
| 22:10:58 | funman | topik: what's the % with USB unplugged? |
| 22:11:29 | topik | steady at 92 |
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| 22:12:22 | funman | btw someone on ABI forum said the Clipv2 has ~13hours runtime with rockbox |
| 22:12:31 | funman | without CPU freq scaling |
| 22:13:04 | kugel | maybe we just run very low? |
| 22:13:10 | topik | 13 hours would be quite impressive |
| 22:13:39 | funman | kugel: yes i think it's quite low, according to test_codec |
| 22:13:51 | archivator | bluebroth3r: can you please send me the output from "festival −−version" and "festival_client −−version" on your machine? |
| 22:14:13 | archivator | It seems that either they changed something or it worked by pure coincidence before. |
| 22:14:15 | funman | CGU_PROC = 0x11 on my Clip+ |
| 22:14:40 | topik | funman: the battery number on the first battery debug screen seems to decline in a realistic way |
| 22:15:11 | funman | that's clkin=PLLA(384MHz), postdiv=1 => fclk = 192MHz if we interpret like as3525(v1) |
| 22:15:12 | topik | and was increasing when i had it plugged in |
| 22:16:09 | funman | topik: it's ok when not charging (it goes down), but when charging it goes low & high |
| 22:16:32 | funman | before I changed the ADC source we read, it went to 100% when charging |
| 22:16:45 | topik | yeah, somewhat erratic |
| 22:16:54 | funman | I applied the same workaround used for e200(v1) and now there's this problem |
| 22:17:02 | kugel | working backlight is annoying without buttons! |
| 22:17:14 | funman | kugel: yeah, finish the buttons first! :) |
| 22:17:56 | topik | the startup time of the clip+ is quite amazing too |
| 22:18:49 | bluebroth3r | archivator: festival: Festival Speech Synthesis System: 1.96:beta July 2004 and festival_client: Edinburgh Speech Tools Library v1.2.96:beta July 2004 |
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| 22:20:21 | bluebroth3r | archivator: that's the F12 packages in case its relevant |
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| 22:21:08 | notlistening | domonoky, when using the opensapi patch and creating the voice files the yes and no entries are not created and various others are also missed any ideas on this, it reports errors but this is due to a response from the server it is not expecting but this is a valid reponse does that affect rbutil missing that entry? |
| 22:21:16 | archivator | bluebroth3r: I should have guessed, i'm running F12 as well :) |
| 22:21:37 | archivator | bluebroth3r: I *think* something changed in festival_client - it resets everything when it connects to the server |
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| 22:22:40 | domonoky | notlistening: yes, those errors are probably why it doesnt generate the files. |
| 22:23:59 | notlistening | ok i will have a look and see if i can edit to code to accpt that as a valid reponse |
| 22:23:59 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25387): pitch_detector plugin only works on color LCDs |
| 22:24:04 | domonoky | notlistening: if the server response is valid and the requested wav file is correctly generated, you should tweak the opensapi part in rockbox to not treat that as error :-) |
| 22:24:04 | archivator | It would be nice if someone with a distro != F12 (preferably something older) would check if festival support in rbutil works |
| 22:24:50 | notlistening | archivator, ypu wish is my command |
| 22:25:12 | archivator | notlistening: It takes some trial and error |
| 22:25:38 | notlistening | oh any clues of should i ask as i struggle |
| 22:25:51 | archivator | Actually, what are the festival[_client] versions? No point in checking if they're the same |
| 22:26:16 | archivator | festival −−version, festival_client −−version |
| 22:26:51 | notlistening | festival: Festival Speech Synthesis System: 1.96:beta July 2004 |
| 22:27:13 | notlistening | festival_client: Edinburgh Speech Tools Library v1.2.96:beta July 2004 |
| 22:27:20 | archivator | yeah, looks like the same version.. |
| 22:27:32 | funman | hm weird my Clip+ doesn't turn on (2nd time i see that this evening) |
| 22:27:45 | archivator | it's really weird, I swear that it worked when the patch was submitted! |
| 22:27:58 | notlistening | oh ok thats what my distro ships with |
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| 22:28:35 | * | Unhelpful wonders why one couldn't detect pitch without a color display? |
| 22:28:36 | archivator | domonoky: do you remember changing any of the functionality when you converted the TTS settings? |
| 22:29:11 | domonoky | archivator: i think not. and if i changed anything with festival, i surely tested it. |
| 22:29:55 | archivator | that's too bad. I have no idea what broke it. I know how to fix it but it's not pretty |
| 22:30:06 | funman | Unhelpful: no problem, one just needs to adapt pitch_detector.c to monochrome screens |
| 22:30:23 | notlistening | Encoding of /tmp/rbvoice//LANG_SET_BOOL_YES.wav failed |
| 22:31:42 | domonoky | notlistening: can you find out why that failed ? is that wav actually generated ? |
| 22:33:14 | notlistening | Generates one file then does not do anymore |
| 22:34:35 | notlistening | haha my engine also fails on the yes clip :D |
| 22:35:33 | bluebroth3r | archivator: tried it on F8. Festival reports the same version but now it works. It's a bit flaky though (need to open the configure tts box two times) |
| 22:35:46 | linuxstb | gevaerts: What do you (and others?) think about putting "bootloader menu" on the NoDo ? It's certainly been called a no-do in the past, but I don't know current opinion (I'm not strongly against). |
| 22:36:23 | bluebroth3r | though on F12 it doesn't get a voice list. Running festival_client manually works though. |
| 22:36:24 | archivator | bluebroth3r: I think I just fixed the two times thing |
| 22:36:26 | * | linuxstb wonders how "Alphabetical list skipping" got on that list... |
| 22:36:31 | archivator | However, why it works is beyond me |
| 22:36:40 | AlexP | I'm against if it a) slows anything down at all and b) if a is not true then it should not be default |
| 22:36:48 | notlistening | linuxstb, , from an accessibility point of view umm no from me |
| 22:37:13 | archivator | bluebroth3r: by "works" you mean it changes the voice successfully? Or that it just voices everything with the default voice? |
| 22:37:35 | funman | linuxstb: i think a bootloader menu would be nice (depending on how it's implemented however) |
| 22:37:44 | Unhelpful | funman: ah... drawing peculiarities? |
| 22:37:47 | notlistening | linuxstb because i suggested it :p |
| 22:37:59 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I think it should be on there. It doesn't matter much if you agree with it or not, if it's been traditionally considered as a NoDo, it should be listed so it can be discussed |
| 22:38:16 | linuxstb | gevaerts: OK. I don't want to add it though ;) |
| 22:38:27 | funman | Unhelpful: probably, it might even be very easy to modify the plugin. I won't look at it before i can record from the Clip though |
| 22:38:39 | wodz | what are the objections with menu in bootloader? |
| 22:38:47 | AlexP | Slows things down |
| 22:38:50 | bluebroth3r | archivator: open "configure tts", verify paths. Ok, then open again. Now the refresh buttons for voice list works, and I can select a voice. Ok again, then "Test TTS" -> system talks to me. |
| 22:39:05 | AlexP | If it is optional, doesn't slow down boot, and is off by default then I don't min too much |
| 22:39:07 | notlistening | linuxstb, it was boohood becuase of missing components on rockbox to implement it |
| 22:39:07 | * | bluebroth3r goes installing more voices |
| 22:39:29 | archivator | bluebroth3r: using the selected voice? |
| 22:39:38 | gevaerts | wodz: that's actually the point of the discussion. With many of these items, nobody remembers... |
| 22:39:43 | archivator | 'Cause it talks here as well, using kal_diphone (argh!) |
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| 22:40:14 | bluebroth3r | archivator: I have only one voice installed yet. |
| 22:40:27 | linuxstb | As AlexP said, there's the potential to slow things down, especially on hard-disk targets. Plus also the argument that bootloader code should be as simple as possible. |
| 22:41:04 | * | linuxstb didn't want to start the discussion again now though... |
| 22:41:15 | archivator | bluebroth3r: please do install some more. The major bug atm is that it doesn't change the voice. |
| 22:41:51 | linuxstb | Is it possible to see diffs on foswiki older than the first 6 or so? (without manually editing the URL, and without viewing the entire history?) |
| 22:41:51 | wodz | slow things down by means of timeout? or what? |
| 22:41:54 | bluebroth3r | archivator: just was at it :) It speaks but doesn't change the voice. That's on F8. |
| 22:42:03 | ThomasAH | how do I make "Mode: preset" the default for FM radio instead of "Mode: scan"? (on clip+, so I have to manually edit config.cfg) |
| 22:42:06 | linuxstb | wodz: Slow things down by needing to read a config file from disk. |
| 22:42:28 | funman | ThomasAH: you can edit the settings easily in the simulator |
| 22:42:32 | archivator | bluebroth3r: weird and weirder. i was using Ubuntu when I wrote that patch and it's possible festival_client is different there.. |
| 22:42:35 | * | linuxstb is just the messenger... |
| 22:42:54 | wodz | linuxstb: unless You do not use it. |
| 22:43:09 | notlistening | can you not have a key combination for the bootmenu so it only read a config when it is called? |
| 22:43:18 | AlexP | wodz: It has to read whether you use it or not |
| 22:43:36 | gevaerts | linuxstb: yes, that's the problem with listing NoDos... |
| 22:44:01 | ThomasAH | funman: the simulator somehow defaults to preset :-/ |
| 22:44:02 | wodz | I written simple bootloader with menu for mpio hd200 and I do not use config at all |
| 22:44:05 | AlexP | notlistening: In that case, just use the existing key configs |
| 22:44:34 | funman | ThomasAH: check out the manual to edit the configuration in the simulator, copy simdisk/.rockbox/config.cfg to your device |
| 22:44:36 | linuxstb | gevaerts: But definitely a good idea to bring them all up for discussion at the next devcon. |
| 22:44:36 | bluebroth3r | archivator: the strange thing is that on F12 I don't get a list of voices at all even though I now have several voice installed |
| 22:45:12 | wodz | If current bootloader supports 2-3 modes of running code why not present the choice to the user? |
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| 22:45:46 | ThomasAH | funman: This is what I did before, but some things behave differently ... e.g. backlight on instead of 15 seconds ... and radio preset mode seems to behave differently, too |
| 22:45:54 | notlistening | funman: FM radio working here |
| 22:46:12 | archivator | bluebroth3r: open up festival and type (voice.list) |
| 22:46:18 | archivator | Do you get the voices there? |
| 22:47:09 | ThomasAH | funman: besides that little point radio works great, thanks |
| 22:47:19 | bluebroth3r | archivator: I get a list with 7 entries |
| 22:47:34 | archivator | Also, I found another bug - festival will exist with an error if the destination file exists - and rbutil does not even check if the destination file already exists (i.e. so that it continues an interrupted process) |
| 22:48:13 | archivator | bluebroth3r: keep trying various combinations of closing the config window and hitting refresh :) I think I fixed that in the local branch but can't be sure atm |
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| 22:51:31 | archivator | What version of Qt is rbutil dependent upon? 4.5 or 4.6? |
| 22:51:48 | * | ThomasAH has to leave and will investigate that preset mode thing tomorrow |
| 22:51:55 | notlistening | funman after i exit radio on the clip+ it still plays and the voice will not work for the menus? Just to let you know. |
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| 22:53:30 | funman | notlistening: hm i saw that, let me look at it |
| 22:53:36 | funman | do you have a clipv1 ? |
| 22:54:01 | archivator | Do we care if the RockboxUtility GUI freezes for a second while the festival process is starting? |
| 22:54:17 | funman | perhaps it's just a keymap problem: pressing power on Clipv1 leaves the FM menu but it keeps playing |
| 22:55:01 | archivator | never mind, that's not gonna happen.. |
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| 22:58:12 | notlistening | brand new and think it is the clip+ v 01.02.09A |
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| 22:58:51 | notlistening | funman, how else should i exit the radio properly? |
| 22:58:59 | bluebroth3r | archivator: you need at least Qt 4.5 |
| 22:59:17 | notlistening | funman, probably just a button config issue |
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| 23:01:38 | funman | notlistening: long press on button up (play) |
| 23:01:39 | archivator | bluebroth3r: thought so. |
| 23:01:52 | bluebroth3r | archivator: interestingly my debug build prints "Festival failed to start" all the time (on F12 again) |
| 23:02:09 | archivator | yeah, it does that, I'm trying to debug it right now |
| 23:02:48 | archivator | domonoky: I have a question regarding the life of the TTS* objects - are they created once and kept in a cache or is it constantly creating and deleting them? |
| 23:03:42 | domonoky | archivator: i am not sure, have to check the code. |
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| 23:04:11 | notlistening | Roght i will wait for the manual before i start asking stupid questions again |
| 23:04:35 | archivator | domonoky: will do, thanks |
| 23:05:34 | domonoky | looks like they are just created when needed. |
| 23:06:04 | archivator | The thing is, I'm not 100% sure the stop() method is called all the time |
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| 23:06:34 | domonoky | not between every file, but for every complete run, or if you open the config dialog. |
| 23:06:38 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25389): Fix strcpy from a user-supplied string to fixed size string. ... |
| 23:06:48 | funman | notlistening: manual should be up |
| 23:06:52 | archivator | I'm just worried there might be a memory leak somewhere |
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| 23:07:04 | archivator | Where a TTS* object is allocated but not deleted. |
| 23:07:15 | notlistening | domonoky, calling on your memeory now what is the false on the end of this: TTSOpenSapi::eFILENAME,"outFile",202,false |
| 23:07:19 | funman | archivator: you know about valgrind to detect/debug memory leaks? |
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| 23:07:35 | archivator | funman: I do. I also know of the horror of debugging Qt apps |
| 23:07:59 | domonoky | notlistening: cant remember. |
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| 23:08:11 | notlistening | haha i will change it and see :D |
| 23:08:26 | notlistening | i have a good idea what it is for ;) |
| 23:08:52 | funman | notlistening: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-950005.8 |
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| 23:10:39 | domonoky | notlistening: memory management with Qt is a bit difficult, most objects are allocated with parent ptrs, and if the parent dies, the object dies too. |
| 23:10:59 | domonoky | the tts objects should all have a valid parent set (i hope). |
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| 23:13:11 | archivator | domonoky: any particular reason why the path to the festival server is passed on as an argument to every single method? I don't think that was there last time I checked :) |
| 23:13:48 | domonoky | archivator: i also cant remember :-) |
| 23:14:05 | archivator | domonoky: I think I know why. But it's really poor design :) |
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| 23:15:18 | archivator | In fact, is there any other source for the path other than RbSettings? |
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| 23:17:05 | notlistening | domonoky, umm it is stange but it only fails for certain entries yes being on the them it always fails for but gives no error message werid but sure how to go about sorting that out :D |
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| 23:17:32 | gevaerts | notlistening: it's in a negative mood? |
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| 23:17:52 | domonoky | does "no" work ? :-) |
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| 23:18:22 | notlistening | yes ;) but let me generate and check it |
| 23:19:07 | domonoky | so does opensapi fail for this, or only the rbutil client ? |
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| 23:20:15 | notlistening | do you know where yes comes in the list of generated files? |
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| 23:21:48 | domonoky | notlistening: if you look into the system trace you should see which entrys came before yes. |
| 23:22:08 | archivator | domonoky: what's the difference between getSetting() and RbSetting::subValue() ? |
| 23:22:17 | notlistening | okay need to setup to debug again |
| 23:22:30 | archivator | it all seems awfully convoluted |
| 23:22:32 | domonoky | notlistening: systemtrace also works in release |
| 23:22:37 | funman | hm it seems that i can get recordign to work on Clip+ (FM at least), but can't start recording due to keymap problems |
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| 23:23:08 | domonoky | we redirect qdebug into our buffer, and you can look at it under Troubleshoot->Systemtrace (or similar) |
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| 23:23:48 | saratoga | ah gsoc applications are open today |
| 23:23:49 | domonoky | archivator: in a tts engine ? |
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| 23:24:02 | archivator | domonoky: yes |
| 23:24:31 | notlistening | how do i get systemtrace on domonoky? Sorry for being dumb |
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| 23:24:45 | domonoky | notlistening: its in the menu of rbutil. |
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| 23:25:06 | funman | help menu |
| 23:25:06 | fml | gevaerts: re your last commit: doesn't strlcpy do exactly what the two committed lines do? |
| 23:25:11 | * | domonoky doesnt have a systemtrace, only rbutil has one :-) |
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| 23:25:29 | gevaerts | fml: is strlcpy available on all systems we want to build on? |
| 23:26:13 | domonoky | archivator: RbSetting::subValue() gets a value from permanent storage. not sure about getSetting() can you point me to a place where its used ? |
| 23:26:14 | funman | it doesn't exist on glibc afaict |
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| 23:26:41 | archivator | domonoky: see TTSFestival::updateVoiceList() for example |
| 23:26:50 | archivator | QStringList voiceList = getVoiceList(getSetting(eSERVERPATH)->current().toString()); |
| 23:27:07 | archivator | Does that use the immediate settings (as in, not yet saved)? |
| 23:27:39 | domonoky | ah, yes. that are the settings from/for the ui, the config dialog. |
| 23:27:57 | Stephen__ | funman, FM working here too |
| 23:28:00 | Stephen__ | clip+ |
| 23:28:19 | archivator | Buuuuut, if the settings have been saved, can I call getSetting() to get what RbSettings::subValue() would give me? |
| 23:28:53 | archivator | In other words, can I use just one of the two and skip the other? |
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| 23:29:50 | archivator | I don't see a reason why TTSBase does not provide an abstraction above RbSettings ... |
| 23:30:18 | domonoky | depends one where. the saveSettings() function should get the UI settings and save it to permanent storage. |
| 23:30:32 | domonoky | all other places on a tts should use RbSettings. |
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| 23:30:42 | archivator | except, they don't |
| 23:30:56 | archivator | that's why you hacked in the path argument to every single method |
| 23:31:06 | domonoky | can you point me to that ? |
| 23:31:20 | archivator | that's the way to provide the currently set path for when you get the voice list/description.. |
| 23:31:43 | fml | gevaerts: ah, that's a "server side" tool! So we can't be sure we have all the functions we have in the core rockbox, right? Is that the reasoning? |
| 23:32:00 | archivator | domonoky: updateVoiceList/Description |
| 23:32:19 | archivator | I understand *why* it's that way but I don't like it one bit |
| 23:32:19 | gevaerts | fml: yes, and strlcpy is a nonstandard function |
| 23:32:38 | fml | gevaerts: OK, got it |
| 23:33:03 | notlistening | domonoky, busy night for you :D, I would guess that becuase the server as it stands takes a long time to startup it timesout of the first entry and it can also timeout for portions of text that take longer I think more testing needed |
| 23:33:12 | notlistening | it gives: voicing: "Yes" to "/tmp/rbvoice//LANG_SET_BOOL_YES.wav" |
| 23:33:13 | notlistening | [Opensapi] cmd: "outFile /tmp/rbvoice//LANG_SET_BOOL_YES.wav" |
| 23:33:13 | notlistening | [OpenSapi] serverCommand timout: "202:Setting OK:outFile |
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| 23:33:13 | notlistening | [Opensapi] cmd: "speakMe Yes" |
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| 23:33:13 | notlistening | [OpenSapi] serverCommand timout: "" |
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| 23:34:13 | domonoky | archivator: now i understand. the updateVoiceList gets used by the UI, because i connect it to my ui settings object. so it reacts to new paths in the ui. |
| 23:34:55 | archivator | domonoky: I understand but it's not the queryServer or any other function beside startServer's business to know what the path to the server is |
| 23:35:02 | archivator | it's ugly and hacky |
| 23:35:19 | domonoky | notlistening: yes, that looks like it just timesout.. so we need a bit better control of server startup. |
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| 23:36:33 | domonoky | archivator: if you can do it better, feel free to improve it :-) |
| 23:36:47 | archivator | will do |
| 23:37:59 | domonoky | i agree that is a bit hacky. |
| 23:38:12 | notlistening | domonoky, I have implmented the new version to start the server up first them get the tts running under a thread which means we can startup and response within about 3 secs |
| 23:41:09 | domonoky | sounds good :-) |
| 23:41:29 | notlistening | increases the timeout from 1/2 sec to 1 sec and it seems happier with the old version |
| 23:42:47 | notlistening | I have now implemeted getting raw audio out from SAPI direct from the memory stream can you see any use ie for the .voice file as i know that is a continuous file |
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| 23:43:53 | domonoky | not really, we always need a wav file to encode it with rbspeex or lame. |
| 23:44:40 | notlistening | ok thought it might have to be done that way but would i output the full .voice file in one go? |
| 23:45:37 | domonoky | no it processes all strings individually. they are also cut a bit before encoded and assembled to a voicefile. |
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| 23:47:18 | archivator | domonoky: on a dual core machine, can't we voice the files and use the second core to encode them as we get them? Or is the encoder and external process as well? |
| 23:47:42 | notlistening | domonoky, okay thanks for you help again, it seems to be running smoothly at the moment. Will try to release a new opensapi server soon, still bug hunting though ;) |
| 23:48:00 | domonoky | archivator: depends on target. encoder can be external lame or internal rbspeex. |
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| 23:48:46 | domonoky | rbspeex could theoretically be made to work parallel. it shouldnt be to hard to change talkgenerator.cpp to encode in parallel for rbspeex. |
| 23:48:59 | archivator | That's what I meant. |
| 23:49:12 | archivator | We can't control the affinity of child processes, can we? |
| 23:50:02 | amiconn | lame is also open source, isn't it? |
| 23:50:13 | domonoky | probably not easily in a crossplatform way. But Qt has special classes to make parallel codeing with as much threads as cores for example. |
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| 23:50:20 | * | amiconn has no idea how difficult it woul dbe to build lame |
| 23:50:58 | archivator | amiconn: probably not difficult but lame is more than just a library - why reinvent the entire frontend just to get a tiny speedup? |
| 23:51:02 | domonoky | so theoretically it should also be possible to call lame multiple times out of different processes. |
| 23:51:08 | notlistening | if i wanted to manually set rockbox to voice menus on the clip+ as i can not save setting where do i need to edit? |
| 23:51:13 | domonoky | s/processes/threads |
| 23:51:36 | amiconn | voie menus should be enabled by default |
| 23:51:43 | archivator | domonoky: I thought lame was an external executable? |
| 23:52:18 | domonoky | archivator: yes, but wouldnt it be possible to just call the external exe multiple times in paralell ? |
| 23:52:35 | archivator | not really |
| 23:52:46 | domonoky | notlistening: edit config.cfg |
| 23:52:48 | archivator | even if you call from different threads, you'll just be spawning new processes |
| 23:53:07 | archivator | it's up to the underlying OS to distribute those processes among the cores |
| 23:53:21 | archivator | you can't guarantee where each one would end up |
| 23:53:28 | domonoky | yes, and hopefully the OS shedules those to different cores to distribute the load. |
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| 23:53:33 | archivator | hence, you can't guarantee they would run in parallel |
| 23:53:37 | notlistening | thanks domonoky & a think i would love to see if to add multiple dirs to add .talk clips to save me doing twice for all my Sansas |
| 23:53:59 | archivator | either that, or things would be twice as slow... |
| 23:54:41 | domonoky | no, it would just not be faster.. (minus losses for sheduling) |
| 23:54:57 | amiconn | domonoky, notlistening: You shouldn't need to edit anything for voice menus, as it is enabled by default |
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| 23:55:01 | archivator | those losses can be significant :) |
| 23:55:29 | amiconn | As soon as there is a suitable voice file, it should start talking (possibly after a reboot) |
| 23:55:54 | notlistening | amiconn, .talk clips i meant if i said it wrongly |
| 23:56:18 | amiconn | Ah, that's a different thing of course |
| 23:57:08 | domonoky | archivator: but are general OS so dumb to not shedule to different cores if there is much load ? |
| 23:57:35 | amiconn | talk dir clip: on for directory clips, talk file clip: on for file clips |
| 23:58:13 | archivator | domonoky: I hope not :) |
| 23:58:38 | notlistening | now being stupid where does config.cfg live? |
| 23:58:42 | domonoky | so for encoders would could make it parallel, if someone codes it. :-) |
| 23:58:45 | notlistening | find did not find it |
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