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| 00:00:59 | rd1381 | by copying files |
| 00:01:24 | gevaerts | which operating system? |
| 00:01:50 | rd1381 | doesnt matter |
| 00:01:55 | rd1381 | both linux and windows |
| 00:02:20 | rd1381 | had this issue in opensuse and xp and vista |
| 00:02:27 | rd1381 | and now ubuntu and windows 7 |
| 00:02:36 | gevaerts | In windows, you can probably get it faster by enabling write caching. In linux, try checking if it's not mounted with -o sync |
| 00:02:42 | rd1381 | so i think its safe to say its not system related |
| 00:03:20 | rd1381 | as a side note i remember that in windows every time it was recognized as something diferent |
| 00:03:40 | rd1381 | like it would say toshiba somthing attached |
| 00:03:49 | rd1381 | and next time something else |
| 00:04:11 | rd1381 | but booting with ipod firmware always recognized it correctly |
| 00:04:21 | rd1381 | so maybe that the issue |
| 00:04:23 | Torne | toshiba MKthingy is correct |
| 00:04:28 | Torne | that's the model of hard drive in the player |
| 00:05:40 | rd1381 | oh |
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| 00:05:49 | rd1381 | nice |
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| 00:06:16 | rd1381 | cant you tell it to ,you know recognize it as rockbox? |
| 00:06:18 | Torne | but no, rockbox does identify itself with different strings to the original firmware |
| 00:06:24 | rd1381 | that for windows to decide? |
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| 00:06:36 | Torne | windows doesn't use the strings for anything except displaying them to you |
| 00:06:45 | Torne | so it doesn't make any difference |
| 00:06:55 | rd1381 | so the speed issue is not from that? |
| 00:07:07 | Torne | no |
| 00:07:36 | Torne | I'm not sure which devices we have a known issue on |
| 00:07:45 | Torne | but in general there are models of ipod where our disk access over usb is slower |
| 00:08:09 | Torne | we don't know what the problem is, really, or we'd've done something about ti |
| 00:08:30 | rd1381 | oh i see |
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| 00:09:23 | rd1381 | do you use a diferent protocol than the one ipod use? or is it hardware access that you both use? |
| 00:10:00 | Torne | we have our own implementation of USB and disk access and so oon.. we don't use any of the code from the original firmware |
| 00:10:16 | Torne | the ipod's USB stack is software, so the OF's implementation is completely separate |
| 00:10:38 | rd1381 | but u use some hardware command to access harddrive right? maybe its not the same as iod |
| 00:11:09 | gevaerts | Well, our code is available, so you can check |
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| 00:13:36 | rd1381 | sorry i am not a probramer (not yet) i just read some stuuf on internet and wanted to put my 2 cent |
| 00:13:51 | rd1381 | thats all |
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| 00:14:13 | gevaerts | well, we can only assure you that we don't make things slower on purpose |
| 00:15:00 | rd1381 | what i mean tis that specification for that toshiba hardrive and its bus command and other stuff is not available to you>? |
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| 00:16:04 | gevaerts | That one is easy, it's standard ATA. We don't have a specification for most of the rest of the ipod though |
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| 00:18:07 | rd1381 | so you mean some where in those specific ipod somethings slow down speed that apple know about and you dont? so its not code related(not hardware access code but rockbox base code i mean) |
| 00:19:33 | rd1381 | thanks for all your answers. gotta go .bye |
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| 00:34:40 | selectohh | when downloading a build from svn co, when i make the build and try and play an mp3 it says "codec failure".. any ideas what i'm missing here? |
| 00:35:02 | Torne | did you install the entire build? the zipfile? |
| 00:35:38 | selectohh | i've been using svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk |
| 00:35:44 | selectohh | i guess that's the wrong way? |
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| 00:36:23 | Torne | no, i mean after you comiled it, did you install all the files, or just the main rockbox file? |
| 00:36:49 | Torne | you need to update the codecs/plugins/etc if you replace the main build |
| 00:36:52 | selectohh | ya i just dragged the whole thing into the rockbox folder on the mp3 player.. after deleting the rockbox folder and all it's subfolders on the mp3 player |
| 00:37:11 | Torne | the build directory? |
| 00:37:16 | Torne | that's not laid out correctly |
| 00:37:28 | Torne | you need to run make zip or make fullzip to get a zip like the normal downloaded builds |
| 00:37:51 | selectohh | torne: ya, like i took everything from the rockbox folder on the vmware virtual drive and dragged it into the rockbox folder of the mp3 player |
| 00:38:02 | Torne | don 't do that. |
| 00:38:04 | selectohh | torne: does make zip make a different chunk of stuff? i thought it just made a zip of the same files |
| 00:38:09 | Torne | no |
| 00:38:28 | Torne | it copies the files into the correct structure for the .rockbox directory |
| 00:38:29 | Torne | then zips that |
| 00:38:52 | selectohh | torne: ah the missing link i suppose (between me and happy codecs). thanks i'll try that. so make zip and then unzip instead of make + drag/drop |
| 00:39:01 | Torne | yes. |
| 00:39:23 | selectohh | torne: i appreciate it thanks. about 4 hours of fussing solved hopefully. |
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| 03:41:33 | CIA-5 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r25528): Manual update for hotkey reference |
| 03:43:52 | CIA-5 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r25529): Hotkey: better settings handling, fewer saved variables, localizable hotkey info list |
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| 03:49:01 | Blue_Dude | Will be AFK, but please check if FS #11181 is fixed with r25529. Thanks. |
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| 04:24:18 | JdGordon | Blue_Dude: one thiing which would be nice to consider... add the lang strings for the settings so the hotkeys can be added to the quickscreen |
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| 04:56:34 | CIA-5 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r25530): Add lang strings to hotkey setting macros |
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| 05:01:25 | Blue_Dude | JdGordon: That should probably do it. I don't have a LANG yet for the setting itself. So far I haven't needed one. |
| 05:02:01 | Blue_Dude | I wonder if the data abort on Nano's is fixed. |
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| 05:05:19 | JdGordon | I think putting the hotkey setting on the quickscreen makes the most sense |
| 05:06:21 | Blue_Dude | You mean as opposed to a special keystroke on the context menu? That's not a bad idea. |
| 05:06:37 | JdGordon | not instead of |
| 05:06:42 | JdGordon | have both |
| 05:06:47 | Blue_Dude | In addition to? |
| 05:07:08 | S_a_i_n_t | I think just adding "select as hotkey" (or similar) in the context menu kinda makes the most sense...but that's just me. |
| 05:07:47 | JdGordon | contxt menus on context menus are NOT a good idea |
| 05:08:03 | Blue_Dude | You'd still need either a menu within a menu, or another context menu item with a list of acceptable functions. |
| 05:08:04 | JdGordon | but pressing it on the contetx menu sort of works |
| 05:08:25 | Blue_Dude | Sort of. |
| 05:08:53 | Blue_Dude | I originally wanted to use the context menu keystroke to set the hotkey but it was complicated. |
| 05:09:37 | Blue_Dude | And probably a bad idea. |
| 05:09:57 | S_a_i_n_t | what about using "long select" as "set hotkey" on the context items that can be set? long select doesn't seem to do anything in the context menu. |
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| 05:10:39 | Blue_Dude | Long select *is* the context menu key on some targets. And it means defining yet another special keystroke. There are only so many to go around. |
| 05:11:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I mean, once one is in the context menu. |
| 05:11:52 | S_a_i_n_t | not to get to it. |
| 05:12:08 | JdGordon | long-select is the context menu key on all targets |
| 05:12:31 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, but once your in the conetxt menu, long select does nothing. |
| 05:12:33 | Blue_Dude | Yeah, but that's the problem I had. You'd be using the context menu key within the context menu. It was complicated. |
| 05:12:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Only short select seems to trigger the selections. |
| 05:13:24 | Blue_Dude | Actually.... Hm. I think I already solved the complications by setting a flag within menu.c. That might work now. |
| 05:14:08 | Blue_Dude | If that's the way you want to go. It might be better than a combo-key on some targets. |
| 05:15:18 | Blue_Dude | You *could* set without leaving the select key and the scrollwheel. Easier to navigate... |
| 05:15:22 | Blue_Dude | Hm. |
| 05:17:57 | S_a_i_n_t | What i'm thinking is that, long select (whilst already in the context menu) defines the currently selected item (if it can be set), maybe you get a splash for confirmation...but not a yes/no screen. I'm pretty sure you could get away with it and still leave the function of "short select" intact. |
| 05:18:02 | Blue_Dude | Yeah, I see no reason now why that wouldn't work. I solved the main problems while solving a different one and never went back to the context key idea. |
| 05:18:13 | JdGordon | i disagree... there is a disconnect between using context to set the hotkey, and then using the hotkey combo later |
| 05:18:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...this is true. |
| 05:19:14 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm just trying to think to take the fuck-assery out of acually setting a hotkey. |
| 05:19:19 | Blue_Dude | I would still rather have the confirmation screen. It's just too easy to change the setting by accident otherwise. |
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| 05:20:31 | Blue_Dude | Another context menu submenu maybe. There's precedent for that. Playlist for example. |
| 05:21:22 | Blue_Dude | Which leaves a disconnect of another kind: it separates the context menu from the hotkey setting. It's a bit artificial. |
| 05:21:37 | Blue_Dude | *shrug* |
| 05:27:37 | Blue_Dude | JdGordon: I was just browsing around the menu.c code. You were thinking about adding a hotkey setting option in there along with reset setting, etc? I didn't think menu items were quickscreen-able. |
| 05:33:58 | Blue_Dude | I changed menu.c to set the hotkey with the context key. It was *really* straightforward. I can commit this if that's where we want to go. |
| 05:37:28 | Blue_Dude | Actually, I can hijack just about any keypress in this one case. Not many of them make much sense, though. |
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| 05:55:50 | Blue_Dude | One more quick idea for consideration: what about making the default behavior for both hotkeys be off. So reset settings would disable both of them. Also make the default "off" behavior do nothing at all, not even the splash. You could turn them on by setting them, but otherwise the key does nothing. |
| 05:56:04 | Blue_Dude | Anyway, off to bed. |
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| 06:31:31 | * | S_a_i_n_t grumbles about http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=419&target=ipodnano1g still being in the 1/2G Nano themes. |
| 06:31:52 | S_a_i_n_t | It's managed to clock a lot of downloads for someting that shouldn't be there. |
| 06:34:22 | S_a_i_n_t | And, if anyone is so inclined...can http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=406&target=ipodnano1g be taken down also? It was always my intention to remove that theme when I'd finished "Symmetry". |
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| 06:48:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm, amI right in thinking that "idle timout" only starts counting down after the backlight timeout+whatever fade duration you have set? Should it not be calculaed at "idle timeout = idle timeout set by user -backlight timeout period -backlight fade duration"? |
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| 07:22:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Just had something a little crappy happen, need to turn one of my nanos on using hard reset. |
| 07:23:09 | S_a_i_n_t | oh, *with* the alternative (iram) shutdown fix :/ |
| 07:24:36 | S_a_i_n_t | From what I remember, I didn't shut down the ipod manually, I just pulled out the earbuds while it was playing and it paused, and I guess timed out in the usual fashion. |
| 07:24:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Needed to hard resatrt it just now. |
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| 07:29:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: it is even reproducable....fuck it. |
| 07:31:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Have track playing in wps, pull out earbuds (set to pause/resume on headphone insertion), player pauses, eventually times out and shuts down, needs a hard restart. |
| 07:32:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...just started up fine trying to get it to do it a fourth time. Odd. |
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| 07:38:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Gah! Bloody typical...apparently my method to reproduce it is wrong/inconsistent, or not valid at all. I managed to get it to need hard restart to power on 3 times in a row and now I can't get it to do it anymore. Worked fine for the last ~10 shutdowns straight trying to reproduce it consistently. |
| 07:40:57 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: is it reproducible with a "usual" pause too? Also... I think there was something in the guidelines about this being a family-friendly channel |
| 07:42:38 | pixelma | on another note and a bit late but - not all targets even have a Select button (just saying be careful with assumptions) |
| 07:45:55 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: As for "reporducible" I jumped the gun there slightly, it needing hard restart three times in a row seemed rather conclusive...untill the fourth/fifth/sixth time etc. |
| 07:47:55 | S_a_i_n_t | It seemed like I had a formula to do it fine, then it just started working perfectly again...its very odd. My targets never even experienced the "shutdown issue" often enough to call myself "affected" by it, then it does it three times in a row withthe new fix that seems to be working fine for the one's that *are* affected by the shutdown issue. |
| 07:48:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Its nuts. |
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| 07:52:11 | pixelma | I wouldn't be surprised if idle power-off wasn't a very clean shutdown. That's only my impression as a user because I saw weird things happen from time to time if it kicks in especially when in plugins (on all targets I have, not even an Ipod). |
| 07:54:39 | pixelma | weird things ...e.g. backlight comes on like in a usual shutdown but then the player just sits in some plugin screen, sometimes a keypress helps continuing the shutdown process |
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| 08:00:35 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: I'm just baffled by the fact that I managed to get it to do it 3 times in a row (or, it was indeed random...which is statistically nuts), and now its jsut working fine again. I've power cycled it in all the ways I can imagine to try reproduce the flaw, but now I just can't. |
| 08:01:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Making me thing that it happening three times in a row was indeed random, but the odds of that happening (especially considering the fact that I wasn't plagued by this problem to begin with (before the patch)) are simply remarkable. |
| 08:02:06 | S_a_i_n_t | s/thing/think/ |
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| 09:09:59 | topik | getting any closer to the writability holy grail, FlynDice ? |
| 09:19:23 | GodEater | seems I need to take a look at FS #11149 too. My iPod is powering itself on all by itself at odd intervals |
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| 09:23:09 | pixelma | GodEater: I remember reports of this earlier and relating it to alarm settings (maybe in the OF, it's been a while)... could be other reasons now and I don't have an Ipod so this is just what I remember reading here) |
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| 09:26:41 | pixelma | from the theme site (Fuze themes): " I just added some Vista Backgrounds, Vista copyright from Microsoft." errmm... Vista copyright? |
| 09:28:01 | wodz | pixelma: have You tried FS #11189? |
| 09:30:24 | pixelma | no, not yet but I compiled it. Still need to put it on the Ondio and test a bit which I can't do while at work |
| 09:31:21 | wodz | ok. Please leave a comment in tracker than. |
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| 10:10:59 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: yeah, looks like it should be removed |
| 10:11:12 | JdGordon_ | or did we decide to not activly look for (c) infringments? |
| 10:11:16 | * | JdGordon_ cant remember |
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| 10:23:15 | Llorean | We don't actively look for them, but we remove them if they're randomly spotted or reported to us. |
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| 10:33:51 | S_a_i_n_t | In that case...http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=419&target=ipodnano1g (apple_ipod) needs to go. I've reported it on IRC and through the theme site a few times now... |
| 10:35:45 | wodz | The engineer form MPIO who decided to byteswap ATA lines should fry in hell |
| 10:36:02 | Zagor | reminds me of archos |
| 10:36:16 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: that's errr...."nice" :-S |
| 10:37:09 | Zagor | "we'll fix that in software" |
| 10:37:31 | LinusN | a classic example of lack of communication between hw and sw engineers |
| 10:37:59 | wodz | ok. I hacked ata-as-coldfire.S to byteswap (it is working) but looks ugly |
| 10:40:50 | wodz | I am doing something wrong apparently - debug screen shows ~108MHz when playing mp3 |
| 10:41:07 | wodz | Is there a way to find out what hogs cpu? |
| 10:44:27 | wodz | playing ogg shows 124MHz (100% boost) but is realtime |
| 10:45:21 | wodz | ok it is a bit lower ~121MHz (97% boost) |
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| 10:49:32 | wodz | delta between ogg and mp3 is comparable to results posted in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison so I suppose it is not problem in codec code. |
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| 11:02:15 | linuxstb | wodz: I think there's a #define somewhere which will enable logging of calls to cpu_boost(). That may help you if I'm understanding your problem correctly... |
| 11:03:54 | wodz | isn't there some 'top' equivalent? I mean to find out what cpu time each thread gets |
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| 11:15:38 | wodz | Hmm it is not a problem of running inside gdb session. Normal run gives exactly the same result. |
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| 11:26:14 | TheMusicGuy | Hi. I was wondering if anybody knows what the hangup is with the lack of file write support for the Sansa Clip+ (in somewhat un-technical terms if possible) |
| 11:26:58 | TheMusicGuy | not asking when it will be fixed, just wondering what has to happen before it can be fixed. |
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| 11:48:54 | wodz | strange I replaced blocking loop in adc_scan with sleep(HZ/10) and now getting *PANIC* stkov 40000001 |
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| 11:49:46 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: hm. drat? :) |
| 11:50:12 | Torne | pixelma: idle poweroff should shut down cleanly, but *all* shutdowns, if impeded by the thing running in the foreground, force a hard shutdown after a timeout |
| 11:50:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Yeah...I *really* don;t know what was going on there... |
| 11:50:35 | Torne | pixelma: when a shutdown event gets queued, either from a manual or idle shutdown, it broadcasts the event to all threads and starts a timer |
| 11:51:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I must have power cycled the player about ~40 times or so trying to reproduce it after those three times...but its running fine. |
| 11:51:05 | Torne | If the timer actually makes it to expiry we power off anyway |
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| 11:51:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Which is good, but a bit weird. |
| 11:51:17 | Torne | the main thread is supposed to do the clean shutdown stuff and power off before hten |
| 11:51:40 | Torne | if it gets blocked by, say, a blocking UI call (e.g. the bookmarking bug I fixed recently, or a plugin) then it will indeed hard poweroff |
| 11:51:54 | Torne | however my clearing-IRAM code is in the hard poweroff handler :) |
| 11:52:08 | Torne | so for that purpose it shouldn't matter whether it was a clean shutdown or not. |
| 11:52:26 | S_a_i_n_t | heh...well, no. |
| 11:53:25 | Torne | i still haven't had my player needing a hard reset. |
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| 11:55:27 | S_a_i_n_t | I tried to work out the odds of having to hard restart the player 3 times in a row with *seemingly* the same recipie for reproducing it and that recipe apparently having absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm just baffled about those three startups. |
| 11:56:09 | S_a_i_n_t | It really did seem like I found a recipie to reproduce it, then it just works fine again. :-S |
| 11:57:02 | CIA-5 | New commit by pamaury (r25534): rbutil: update french translation. |
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| 11:59:42 | Torne | can you test if your settings allow idle poweroff to cleanly shutdown? |
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| 12:00:02 | S_a_i_n_t | how? |
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| 12:01:06 | Torne | watch it? :) |
| 12:03:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh right...yes, I have seen it power off a few times in the last few hors. It seems to shutdown cleanly, except for maybe every 1/10 shutdowns leaves something from the screen it was displaying at shutdown slowly fading out on the screen after it shuts diwn. |
| 12:03:32 | S_a_i_n_t | *down |
| 12:05:29 | Torne | That's not a clean shutdown then |
| 12:05:35 | S_a_i_n_t | It usually leaves an icon from my .sbs slowly fading out until the screen runs out of juice in that case. It seems to be the battery icon most times. |
| 12:06:12 | Torne | yeah, that doens't sound like a clean shutdown. |
| 12:06:18 | Torne | it should turn the LCD off properly |
| 12:07:03 | S_a_i_n_t | That's maybe every 1 out of 10 times though, possibly less. But something I've definitely noticed in te past few hours trying to reproduce that elusive startup issue. |
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| 12:09:18 | Torne | yeah, if you see clean_shutdown() in apps/misc.c it clears the screen near the start |
| 12:09:37 | Torne | wait, but then it does splashes after that. |
| 12:09:40 | Torne | hmm |
| 12:09:57 | S_a_i_n_t | I've also been noticing more and more how weird it is that the backlight flicks on just before shutdown. Could this be the culprit? |
| 12:10:13 | S_a_i_n_t | s/the/a/ |
| 12:10:35 | Torne | that's weird? |
| 12:10:42 | Torne | the shutdown event is an event. |
| 12:11:00 | Torne | it causes the things which are detecting idleness to think idleness is over, because there was an event :) |
| 12:11:03 | Torne | so yes, the backlight comes on |
| 12:11:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I know...it does seem weirs to me that it bothers to switch the backlight on just to switch it off immediately. |
| 12:11:48 | Torne | but it might be about to display stuff on the screen |
| 12:11:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I know *why* it does it..I still think its weird though ;P |
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| 12:12:33 | Torne | the various things called in clean_shutdown() might indeed do splashes or other output |
| 12:13:10 | Torne | which player are you using? |
| 12:13:39 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano 1 g at the moent. |
| 12:13:47 | Torne | right. that's one of the players we don' thave lcd shutdown support |
| 12:14:04 | S_a_i_n_t | But, I use a 2g often as well...same case I guess? |
| 12:14:07 | Torne | no |
| 12:14:52 | Torne | nano 2g has lcd shutdown. |
| 12:14:57 | Torne | so, we call that on poweroff_hw() |
| 12:15:02 | Torne | so it should entirely disable the lcd |
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| 12:15:43 | Torne | on the nano 1g we clear the screen in power_off() though |
| 12:15:58 | Torne | so in fact on nano 1g it shouldn't leave anything on the screen even if it *doesn't* shut down cleanly |
| 12:16:06 | Torne | since that gets run anyway |
| 12:16:10 | Torne | :) |
| 12:16:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, theres definitly some "residue" left on the screen to fade slowly on some shutdowns... |
| 12:16:51 | Torne | Yeah, that shouldn't happen |
| 12:17:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmmm :/ |
| 12:17:08 | Torne | there is explicitly code there to clear the screen, update the lcd, and even sleep for a bit to give it time ot do it |
| 12:17:21 | Torne | and it's in power_off() in target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c |
| 12:17:40 | Torne | which is the only way to turn the power off :) |
| 12:20:44 | wodz | any idea what maybe the reason for battery graph not updating (in debug menu) while if You scroll screen down battery reading is changing? |
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| 12:58:24 | UnhelpfulWeb | anyway my plan for now is probably a 4-bay NAS and 2x2TB drives, and raid1 |
| 12:58:44 | UnhelpfulWeb | later it can move to 4 drives and raid5, or btrfs if that's mature by that point |
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| 13:37:14 | petur | Unhelpful: you can try to blame your winmo phone for writing this in the wrong channel ;) |
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| 15:11:25 | wodz | what ata_enable() is supposed to do? |
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| 15:14:39 | Torne | wodz: enable the ATA controller |
| 15:15:15 | wodz | ata controller of the soc or of the usb bridge? |
| 15:15:26 | Torne | the processor |
| 15:15:35 | wodz | I see |
| 15:15:46 | Torne | it doesn't do anything for quite a few targets, though |
| 15:15:55 | Torne | :q |
| 15:15:57 | Torne | oops |
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| 15:17:00 | Torne | it's probably not necessary |
| 15:17:11 | Blue_Dude | Yay! I got my very first data abort on the e200 target. Progress! |
| 15:18:51 | Blue_Dude | Trying to reproduce. If I can, then hopefully I can track down the problem. |
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| 15:21:43 | Blue_Dude | Reproduceable. Working on it. |
| 15:24:32 | wodz | Ha! rockbox enters USB bridge mode on my MPIO HD200 :-))) |
| 15:25:27 | wodz | and leaves it without a crash :-)) |
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| 16:02:26 | Blue_Dude | OK, I have a line that says: switch (do_menu(menu, NULL, NULL, false)) |
| 16:02:58 | Blue_Dude | And the very first line after the switch clears a flag. But if you exit the menu without doing anything, the flag doesn't hit. It's not even in a case. Why is that? |
| 16:03:27 | Blue_Dude | Shouldn't the first line always run, before the case hits? |
| 16:04:17 | Blue_Dude | Or does the entire procedure after the switch get skipped under certain conditions? |
| 16:06:41 | gevaerts | the first line within the switch block? |
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| 16:06:56 | Blue_Dude | Yes. It doesn't always get run it seems. |
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| 16:07:46 | JdGordon_ | pastebin it |
| 16:08:17 | JdGordon_ | wait, you have code between the switch and the first case? is that even legal? |
| 16:08:38 | gevaerts | it's legal, yes. It won't get run though :) |
| 16:09:13 | gevaerts | unless you do silly tricks like Duff's Device |
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| 16:09:26 | Blue_Dude | http://pastie.org/909339 |
| 16:09:48 | gevaerts | right. That won't ever work |
| 16:09:49 | Blue_Dude | C can be weird. I didn't know that. |
| 16:10:01 | Blue_Dude | But, sometimes it's run... |
| 16:10:21 | Torne | Then the compiler is broken |
| 16:10:25 | Torne | or you are mistaken :) |
| 16:10:35 | Torne | This is specifically mentioned in the spec |
| 16:10:54 | Blue_Dude | So just put the line in each case and it should work? |
| 16:11:22 | Torne | that's very silly |
| 16:11:32 | JdGordon_ | store the ret val from do_menu |
| 16:11:36 | Torne | do int selection = do_menu() |
| 16:11:37 | JdGordon_ | then do that, then switch |
| 16:11:40 | Torne | er yeah |
| 16:11:53 | Blue_Dude | Oh, yeah OK. |
| 16:12:22 | Torne | The only "valid" use of having code before the first case is variable declarations for the scope of the switch |
| 16:12:31 | Torne | but even then their initialisers won't get run if they have any ;) |
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| 16:12:35 | * | Blue_Dude takes out the Obvious Hammer and hits self with it. |
| 16:13:01 | rvvs89 | Torne: Not even the initialisers? Huh, didn't know that. |
| 16:13:19 | Torne | rvvs89: there's a specific example in the C spec, amusingly |
| 16:13:39 | Torne | which, paraphrased, says "this is legal but doesn't ever do anything you would want or expect" |
| 16:13:43 | Torne | "suck it programmers" |
| 16:13:50 | Torne | :) |
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| 16:14:07 | rvvs89 | Welp, it says that all over the place in the C spec. |
| 16:14:27 | rvvs89 | Undefined behaviour is a pretty awesome thing. |
| 16:14:33 | Torne | No, that's different |
| 16:14:42 | Torne | this is specifically defined as "there cannot ever be a reason to put code here" |
| 16:14:46 | Torne | but you are still allowed to put code there |
| 16:14:53 | Torne | even though it is 100% guaranteed to never run ever :) |
| 16:14:55 | JdGordon_ | thats retarted! |
| 16:15:18 | Torne | yup |
| 16:15:19 | JdGordon_ | what the heck could the rational be for allowing it but saying it would never execute? |
| 16:15:33 | gevaerts | Well, you're also allowed to do if(0){some_code();}... |
| 16:15:36 | Torne | i presume because specifically allowing only variable declarations is too difficult |
| 16:15:48 | Torne | a sufficiently smart compiler would warn you that the code is unreachable |
| 16:15:51 | JdGordon_ | gevaerts: thats obviously different though |
| 16:15:52 | gevaerts | That's also perfectly legal. Should they make that illegal too? |
| 16:16:02 | Torne | gevaerts: a sufficiently smart compiler warns you about that :) |
| 16:16:04 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: well, in my view it's obviously the same! |
| 16:16:11 | Torne | i'm somewhat disappointed that gcc *doesn't* warn for Blue_Dude's code |
| 16:16:14 | JdGordon_ | course you'd see it that way :p |
| 16:16:20 | gevaerts | Torne: well yes, but that's another issue :) |
| 16:16:26 | Torne | true. |
| 16:16:27 | rvvs89 | Pretty much, if(0) sounds like something you should be using the preprocessor for. |
| 16:16:29 | JdGordon_ | one is the user saying its not getting executed, the other is the language spec! |
| 16:16:59 | gevaerts | How about "goto mylabel;some_code();mylabel:"? Is that legal? :) |
| 16:17:21 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: you mean the language spec doesn't sway what if() should do? |
| 16:17:48 | rvvs89 | Torne: If a user places code before the first switch label then clearly they don't want that code to be executed either. |
| 16:17:54 | rvvs89 | Err, JdGordon_ |
| 16:18:11 | Torne | rvvs89: generally compilers assume that any code you wrote, you want to be executed at least *sometime* |
| 16:18:18 | Torne | which is why they tend to warn on unreachable code |
| 16:18:31 | Torne | this should just be another such case, really |
| 16:18:35 | Torne | maybe gcc doesn't notice, though. |
| 16:18:54 | rvvs89 | Not enough warnings enabled :P |
| 16:20:06 | Blue_Dude | Ha! That did it. Thanks! |
| 16:20:12 | Blue_Dude | No more data abort. |
| 16:21:17 | Blue_Dude | S_a_i_n_t will be thrilled. ;) |
| 16:21:35 | JdGordon_ | rvvs89: well yes, but most people would assume that the code there would be executed, whereas a blind man would know that code inside if(0) wont! |
| 16:22:13 | gevaerts | Well, code between the start of the switch block and the first case label *can* be executed, if you do the right things |
| 16:22:15 | * | JdGordon_ looks for sdoyan to prove his point |
| 16:22:18 | rvvs89 | I figured initialisers would be run, but not any other code. |
| 16:22:35 | * | Blue_Dude needs to go back and review C For Dummies. Or maybe C Traps and Pitfalls. |
| 16:23:25 | Blue_Dude | gevaerts: Under what conditions would that code be executed. It had to have been sometimes or the abort would have shown up sooner. |
| 16:23:55 | Torne | Blue_Dude: no, really, never. unless there's a bug in the compiler. |
| 16:24:05 | gevaerts | Blue_Dude: http://pastie.org/909373 |
| 16:24:07 | Torne | Blue_Dude: the C spec *specifically states* that code before the first case: is unreachable |
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| 16:24:35 | Torne | Oh yeah, that ;) |
| 16:24:54 | Torne | ok, so actually it's "when you use duff's device" |
| 16:25:00 | rvvs89 | You could have a regular label before your case label(s) too. |
| 16:25:03 | Blue_Dude | Torne: I believe you. It's just that sometimes it really did run. Which is why I didn't get the problem sooner. |
| 16:25:07 | rvvs89 | Which I suppose could also be a duff's device. |
| 16:25:11 | wodz | Please take a look at #11137. It is more or less in a shape I think is sufficient to commit. |
| 16:25:14 | Torne | rvvs89: yeah, that's just duff's device again |
| 16:25:41 | Torne | Blue_Dude: well if you can reproduce that, raise a gcc bug, seriously |
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| 16:27:47 | JdGordon_ | gevaerts: does that run? |
| 16:28:08 | Blue_Dude | While we're on the subject (sort of): should the hotkey set key be the context menu key or the hotkey? |
| 16:28:15 | Torne | JdGordon_: yeah, it will do. |
| 16:28:23 | Torne | JdGordon_: duff's device is fun |
| 16:28:41 | Torne | the cases of a switch can be *anywhere*, including inside a sub-block. even if that block is a loop. |
| 16:28:49 | Torne | as long as the sub-blocks are contained entirely within the switch |
| 16:29:14 | Torne | once the switch jumps to the right case the code will execute as if the switch/case wasn't there, i.e. the loop will proceed as normal |
| 16:29:21 | Torne | isn't C fun |
| 16:30:24 | rvvs89 | Sure is. |
| 16:33:39 | * | JdGordon_ head explodes |
| 16:34:16 | CIA-5 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r25537): Fix data abort due to malformed switch code. My bad. |
| 16:35:48 | Blue_Dude | JdGordon: turns out there's no conflict between using the same key to set the hotkey vs the quickscreen set menu. They should never hit on the same menu item. |
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| 16:43:48 | Blue_Dude | Torne: now, as per usual Murphy procedure, I can't reproduce the bug. Ah well. |
| 16:44:13 | S_a_i_n_t | ;) Woooo! Hotkeys! |
| 16:44:17 | * | S_a_i_n_t compiles |
| 16:44:33 | Blue_Dude | Maybe it never did execute and I just never hit the right condition before. |
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| 16:50:18 | S_a_i_n_t | C can be a cruel mistress... |
| 16:50:38 | Blue_Dude | Cheap lay sometimes. |
| 16:51:21 | S_a_i_n_t | ...but, she said she loved me! ;) |
| 16:52:08 | Blue_Dude | Didn't get tested. Doh! |
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| 17:09:43 | Torne | Does anyone have an ipod video who can test this build for me: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24439.0 |
| 17:09:57 | Torne | Upgraded/replaced drives, or original drives, both are useful |
| 17:10:21 | gevaerts | Torne: I can test it on a 30G 5G later today |
| 17:10:30 | Torne | cool, that'd be handy |
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| 17:15:24 | Blue_Dude | OK, ready to commit the hotkey set key to the context menu key. Any objections? |
| 17:16:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, I'll need to compile again! |
| 17:16:11 | S_a_i_n_t | ;P |
| 17:16:12 | JdGordon_ | yes |
| 17:16:18 | JdGordon_ | i dont tihnk it should work that way |
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| 17:16:32 | JdGordon_ | unless it brings up a menu |
| 17:16:34 | Blue_Dude | It would work the same way as the quickscreen set menu... |
| 17:17:09 | JdGordon_ | so a menu? |
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| 17:17:25 | Blue_Dude | A confirmation dialog. |
| 17:17:45 | JdGordon_ | screenshots? |
| 17:17:49 | Blue_Dude | No need for a menu. |
| 17:18:03 | Blue_Dude | Same confirmation dialog as now. A yesno screen. |
| 17:18:22 | JdGordon_ | the qs settings dont show a confirmation |
| 17:18:36 | evilnick_B | halmi: Would you like to ask about GSoC? |
| 17:19:20 | halmi | Yes, I would like to get some more information about your requirements... |
| 17:19:40 | linuxstb | halmi: What, specifically? |
| 17:19:45 | Blue_Dude | No, a menu pops up for that. No menu needed here, just a yesno. And there's no conflict with the quickscreen, since the quickscreen only works on value setting items. |
| 17:20:17 | halmi | If I could participate, I would like to get Rockbox running under Android. |
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| 17:20:21 | JdGordon_ | and how do you clear/reset it? |
| 17:21:00 | Blue_Dude | There's a settings menu for that. Under general settings->hotkey. No change there. |
| 17:21:13 | JdGordon_ | this all sounds rather messy |
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| 17:21:25 | JdGordon_ | cant it just have a proper listing of the options? |
| 17:21:40 | linuxstb | halmi: The general view (I think) on the Rockbox-as-an-App (RaaA) project is that a very large part of the work is refactoring the existing Rockbox code to enable Rockbox to be cleanly compiled as an application for various different systems. The actual port to something like Android will be a relatively minor part of the work needed. |
| 17:21:49 | Blue_Dude | I could have another dropdown menu in there and drop the whole keyset idea. |
| 17:22:07 | Blue_Dude | But the keyset already works, so... |
| 17:22:09 | linuxstb | halmi: So you need to be prepared to (very quickly) learn about how Rockbox currently works in quite a lot of detail. |
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| 17:22:27 | JdGordon_ | I think that is better, and then it could be on the QS which would give it the speed people might want |
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| 17:22:46 | halmi | linuxstb: Okay, thats an important fact. |
| 17:23:38 | Blue_Dude | That would mean dedicating a QS button to a hotkey set menu. |
| 17:23:46 | JdGordon_ | a case could be made to just get the current SDL sim working with no mods on android |
| 17:24:07 | Torne | gevaerts: so far my evidence is "it works on my 1024-byte sector 80gb 5.5G" |
| 17:24:10 | JdGordon_ | Blue_Dude: the QS options are customisable, if the user wants it they can put it there |
| 17:24:15 | S_a_i_n_t | from defalut...there is a QS item free, no? |
| 17:24:23 | Torne | gevaerts: logically it should work on 512-byte sector drives in a trivial way :) |
| 17:25:04 | Blue_Dude | I didn't mean set a QS button there by default. I just meant that a QS button would have to be used up to get there quickly. |
| 17:25:14 | halmi | linuxstb: So the primary goal is to get rid of simulating a Rockbox device using SDL and let it run as a standalone Application. |
| 17:25:19 | JdGordon_ | only to change the hotkey |
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| 17:25:35 | * | JdGordon_ wouldnt mind changing the default from "show files" to "set hotkey action" |
| 17:25:39 | Torne | halmi: not get rid of, we still need the simulator |
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| 17:25:57 | linuxstb | halmi: Yes. Although there are of course a lot of similarities between the two. |
| 17:26:11 | linuxstb | (and as Torne said, the simulator has different uses, so needs to stay) |
| 17:26:21 | S_a_i_n_t | beither would I actually, but then...I liked the context menu set idea also :S |
| 17:26:28 | S_a_i_n_t | *neither |
| 17:27:13 | linuxstb | halmi: Have you used Rockbox in the past? |
| 17:27:48 | halmi | linuxstb: I have used Rockbox since my iriver H320... I think it was summer 2005 |
| 17:27:52 | Blue_Dude | The hotkey setting itself is context sensitive. You would need different set menus for the File Browser and the WPS. So making a QS doesn't make as much sense. |
| 17:28:55 | Blue_Dude | Unless you want to make the QS context sensitive too. :p |
| 17:29:17 | halmi | linuxstb: Then I followed the Development for the Sansa AMS devices and since that port is usable, I have it on my Fuze. |
| 17:29:43 | JdGordon_ | Blue_Dude: no, but I would guess that the file browser hotkey action would be more prone to changing than the wps one |
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| 17:32:04 | Blue_Dude | OK, I think maybe we ought to table the idea for a few days, until there's more experience with the interface. I don't want to add menus (and lang settings, etc.) unless they're going to be permanent. |
| 17:32:29 | linuxstb | halmi: Do you have any more questions? Are you interested in any of the other ideas? (I'm trying to sell the video playback project...) |
| 17:32:50 | Blue_Dude | So you'd rather leave the set key on the hotkey vs. the context key? That seems to be the main issue at the moment. |
| 17:33:52 | S_a_i_n_t | TBH... S_a_i_n_t doesn;t care how its set...as long as it *can* be set, and he knows how to set it. |
| 17:34:12 | Blue_Dude | So, did it work on your DAP? |
| 17:34:22 | * | Blue_Dude is dying to know. |
| 17:34:48 | halmi | linuxstb: I have some more questions. Sorry, that I'm so slow, but I try to write proper English and that takes some time. |
| 17:34:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Haven't tried it yet, my dock conenctor is it home. |
| 17:34:57 | S_a_i_n_t | ...and I'm not. |
| 17:35:05 | gevaerts | halmi: there has been some discussion here about RaaA, I'll try to dig up some useful links to the logs when I get home |
| 17:35:25 | Blue_Dude | ok. Let me know. |
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| 17:35:26 | halmi | gevaerts: Okay, that would be great. Thank you. |
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| 17:35:47 | GodEater | mostly that discussion has been contentious posturing about the best way to implement Raaa :) |
| 17:36:29 | b0hoon | Blue_Dude: after your last commits it works ok on the vibe 500 |
| 17:36:49 | halmi | GodEater: Has it come to an conclusion about the best way? |
| 17:36:50 | Blue_Dude | Whew. Got that going at least. Thanks. |
| 17:36:58 | GodEater | halmi: not yet :) |
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| 17:37:40 | halmi | linuxstb: Video playback sounds also very interesting, but there it comes to my problem... |
| 17:37:55 | b0hoon | Blue_Dude: i can test it on the ipod 5.5g video too. |
| 17:37:58 | Blue_Dude | And in other news: Anybody want pitch and speed info stored in bookmarks? |
| 17:38:11 | Blue_Dude | b0hoon: Thanks, that would be great. |
| 17:39:43 | halmi | linuxstb: My programming-experience is not the best. I am quite good at php, and have some knowledge in java, python and perl. But I kind of lack knowledge in c. |
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| 17:40:42 | Blue_Dude | halmi: Come on in, the water's fine! You know what they say about how to learn to swim... |
| 17:41:11 | halmi | I have read quite much c-code (especially when I followed the Sansa AMS development) and I usually understand what the code does and so. But I have never really written c. |
| 17:41:57 | linuxstb | halmi: That in itself isn't a problem. But you may be competing against people with a lot of C experience... |
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| 17:43:53 | linuxstb | halmi: In your application, I think you would need to convince us that you can learn C fairly quickly. |
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| 17:46:47 | halmi | linuxstb: That is the thing I've been thinking about. In the past, I usually learned programming languages quite fast, and I think that it would not be a big problem to learn c. |
| 17:47:34 | halmi | But it is clear to me, that someone who is confident with c will be able to work more efficiently (especially in the beginning) |
| 17:51:36 | halmi | linuxstb: The video playback also sounds interesting. |
| 17:52:14 | gevaerts | halmi: it's supposed to *look* interesting! Things that merely sound interesting already work fine in rockbox ;) |
| 17:53:08 | emrecelikten | Except AAC decoding, I guess? :) |
| 17:53:13 | halmi | Okay, thats a point... Even if ac3 and aac would rather sound... |
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| 18:02:17 | emrecelikten | Are we able to edit our proposal after the deadline? |
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| 18:03:25 | gevaerts | In previous years students could edit proposals after mentors had added public comments (questions, usually). To make sure, ask in #gsoc |
| 18:04:17 | halmi | I just found a piece of discussion about RaaA in the mail archive. Starting at: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-03/0363.shtml |
| 18:04:49 | linuxstb | halmi: It's been discussed within the last week or so in this channel. See the logs http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 18:05:09 | halmi | Okay, I will look at that too. |
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| 19:09:44 | kugel | too bad we killed supervivi! |
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| 19:22:00 | gevaerts | halmi: there's some discussion of RaaA at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100326#22:42:33 and http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100406#10:41:47 (and around 17:00 on the same day again). By reading that you should be able to get some ideas about what's needed, what might be needed, and what people disagree on |
| 19:25:50 | gevaerts | halmi: also, if you're interested in both RaaA and video, you can always submit two proposals, although of course you only have (slightly less than) 24 hours to write them... |
| 19:26:18 | halmi | Great, thank you. |
| 19:27:51 | halmi | I did search for "application" and "raaa" on rockbox.org/irc with google, but this two logs are probably not yet in the index, as I did not find them. |
| 19:30:03 | gevaerts | hm, maybe |
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| 19:31:46 | halmi | And I know that I'm a bit late and time is running short. :) |
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| 19:38:27 | ranma | kugel: FYI: Added two battery bench runs to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime |
| 19:39:21 | ranma | 9h 16min and 9h 39min on my C200v2, 320kbps mp3 looped with display off |
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| 19:39:48 | kugel | ranma: not bad |
| 19:40:26 | saratoga | emrecelikten: have you tried an AAC-HE file? that will probably be more interesting to look at then AAC-LC |
| 19:40:43 | domonoky | kugel: you could restore supervivi if you want. its on cd, and i think i have a backup of it. |
| 19:40:58 | kugel | yes I know :) |
| 19:41:00 | emrecelikten | Will do, currently trying to profile FFmpeg as well |
| 19:41:09 | emrecelikten | Downloaded and compiled them both |
| 19:41:17 | emrecelikten | Used Nero encoder to create a sample file |
| 19:41:24 | emrecelikten | I will try both of them |
| 19:41:38 | emrecelikten | But I am still not sure how to obtain a good profiling from callgrind |
| 19:41:41 | kugel | domonoky: I think we should try to make rockbox boot via uboot so that people are able to boot rockbox/linux/whatever depending what's on the sd card |
| 19:42:17 | domonoky | kugel: would be nice, can supervivi or uboot from nand do that ? |
| 19:42:19 | emrecelikten | I think I have got the number of instructions though |
| 19:42:59 | ranma | Interesting: The first bench I ever made (before the FM fix) it did not turn off at 3.3V and proceeded until 1.85V battery voltage until it failed due to low voltage. |
| 19:43:25 | ranma | Based on that I'd expect it to run about 1.6 times longer when the shutdown at 3.3V is disabled. |
| 19:43:36 | kugel | domonoky: but who will do the work? :( |
| 19:43:54 | domonoky | kugel: Mr.Someone :-) |
| 19:44:09 | kugel | ranma: 1.85 sounds very dangerous for the battery |
| 19:45:56 | ranma | kugel: For comparison: The Neo Freerunner battery has it's hardware discharge cutoff at 2.5V |
| 19:46:20 | kugel | ranma: how long was the runtime for 3.3V to 1.85V? |
| 19:46:32 | emrecelikten | saratoga: Do you have any recommendations for profiling? |
| 19:46:39 | kugel | still, I'd expect the battery to take a hit with that low voltage |
| 19:47:05 | saratoga | emrecelikten: i've only proflied codecs once or twice, but IIRC I just added the compile flag and then ran the binary through gprof |
| 19:47:30 | saratoga | that seemed to work, provided the compiler didn't try to inline everything |
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| 19:47:42 | emrecelikten | saratoga: gprof does not seem to work because most of the calls are to libraries. So I resorted to using callgrind |
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| 19:48:16 | kugel | most profiling tools only work static libraries IIUC |
| 19:48:35 | saratoga | emrecelikten: but isn't the goal to profile libfaad itself? |
| 19:48:45 | kugel | domonoky: I begin to dislike that lazy dude! :p |
| 19:49:12 | ranma | kugel: Hmm, wait. The voltage values in that very first run were quite wacky anyway, I just noticed it stated at 5V there for some reason... |
| 19:49:42 | ranma | (i.e. this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg162092#msg162092) |
| 19:49:59 | emrecelikten | saratoga: Well I have compiled everything with -pg flag and tried to profile 'lt-faad' executable, maybe I am doing something wrong |
| 19:50:11 | emrecelikten | saratoga: I have gotten good results with callgrind though |
| 19:50:42 | saratoga | maybe faad does something weird in its make system |
| 19:51:02 | saratoga | if callgrind works, just use that (never used it though so I don't know what the difference is) |
| 19:51:11 | kugel | ranma: yea that one can go directly to the trash bin :p |
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| 19:52:06 | kugel | what happened to the guy that wanted (or did?) change the codecs to also build as stand-alone? |
| 19:53:05 | ranma | According to http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm: "The equipment protects the battery by cutting off when the cell reaches 2.7 to 3.0V/cell" |
| 19:53:09 | saratoga | he posted a patch for it to the tracker somewhere, but it basically only worked on codecs that didn't use the codec library |
| 19:53:16 | saratoga | since it didn't include the codecs/lib folder |
| 19:53:40 | saratoga | probably not too hard to fix if you're good with makefiles |
| 19:55:03 | kugel | fs#? |
| 19:55:49 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10243?string=codec&project=1&search_name=&type[0]=4&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= |
| 19:56:00 | saratoga | oh looks like it was updated, that version might work better |
| 19:56:57 | saratoga | it'd be nice to just add an option to our configure script to build all the codecs as a separate binary |
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| 20:01:33 | emrecelikten | Duh, so much to do, so little time. Wish I could work on this earlier |
| 20:10:20 | gevaerts | Torne: are you expecting possible USB speed differences? |
| 20:12:08 | ranma | kugel: ranma/c240v2_battery_bench_percent.png">http://uguu.de/~ranma/c240v2_battery_bench_percent.png |
| 20:12:26 | ranma | Cutoff looks alright after all :) |
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| 20:13:19 | fml | What is the remote hotkey for H100 (and other players)? |
| 20:13:20 | kugel | looks like it needs to be re-calibrated |
| 20:13:51 | ranma | Well it does say 'TODO: simple uncalibrated curve, linear except for first 10%' in the source code after all :) |
| 20:13:58 | kugel | does the strong drop-off at the end indicate that the 3.3V shutoff is alright? |
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| 20:14:16 | ranma | kugel: Yeah, it does indicate exactly that. |
| 20:14:51 | kugel | can you upload the script you used for the plotting somewhere? |
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| 20:15:40 | fml | It seems remotes were left out in the hotkey patch |
| 20:15:41 | ranma | It's not even a script, I just typed the command into gnuplot after googling for 'gnuplot howto' since I always forget the gnuplot commands :) |
| 20:15:58 | kugel | so I do :P |
| 20:16:18 | ranma | And I edited the battery bench data with vim by hand to make it palatable to gnuplot :) |
| 20:16:26 | kugel | would be nice to have the command line written down somewhere on the wiki for reuse still |
| 20:16:41 | ranma | Yeah |
| 20:17:01 | kugel | so we need someone else to contribute the appropriate sed command line |
| 20:17:32 | ranma | Well, let's see, should be easy enough :) |
| 20:17:34 | kugel | OR we fix battery bench do spit out something more useful, like a csv |
| 20:17:37 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r25538): Add placeholder for the remote hotkey (aka repair WPS keymap table) |
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| 20:19:35 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r25539): Remove the double full stop |
| 20:20:32 | ranma | sed -e 's@^[0-9]\+:[0-9]\+:[0-9]\+, *\([0-9]\+\), *[0-9]\+%, *[0-9]\+:[0-9]\+, *\([0-9]\+\),.*@\1 \2@' |
| 20:20:51 | kugel | looks insane enough to work :) |
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| 20:30:09 | notlistening | FlynDice, where are things at with the AMSv2 work? |
| 20:31:05 | notlistening | I have seen recent commits but I am intrested specifically about the clip+ |
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| 20:37:35 | ranma | kugel: I've put it at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime |
| 20:43:09 | kugel | ranma: cool |
| 20:43:23 | FlynDice | notlistening: I've pretty much thrown what I know out on the forums in several posts. Writing to SD is probably the biggest thing right now but a seemingly unrelated commit dealing with bookmarks has somehow impacted the uSD functionality.. go figure. |
| 20:44:06 | emrecelikten | saratoga: Hmm libfaad is pretty inefficient really. 11.500.000.000~ instructions against 7.500.000.000~, most of it is in DCT |
| 20:44:19 | emrecelikten | (7b is for FFmpeg) |
| 20:44:25 | fml | blue_dude: the field lang_id in the struct hotkey_assignment is not needed since it can be extracted from the menu item |
| 20:46:07 | ranma | kugel: Anything against committing a change to powermgmt-as3525.c with this battery profile? |
| 20:46:20 | kugel | I don't think so |
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| 20:50:32 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25540): Use a real battery discharge curve for calibration data |
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| 20:59:49 | kugel | ranma: I'm assuming playback works ok on the c200v2 now? |
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| 21:03:37 | Torne | gevaerts: i'm expecting general disk speed difference, maybe |
| 21:03:43 | Torne | gevaerts: usb is the easiest one for people to looka t |
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| 21:06:00 | gevaerts | probably, yes |
| 21:06:51 | fml | Please, anyone interested (and Blue_dude in particular) review FS #11191. I haven't try to compile it since I have no development env now. |
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| 21:08:28 | bertrik | ranma, you modified firmware/target/arm/as3525/powermgmt-as3525.c but it's no longer used, we might as well have deleted it |
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| 21:12:24 | Luca_S | damn... it seems like i've lost my sansa charging cable :( |
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| 21:16:09 | ranma | bertrik: Oh, I see. I'll add the change to sansa-c200v2/powermgmt-c200v2.c. |
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| 21:18:00 | bertrik | yes please, thanks. |
| 21:18:56 | bertrik | as far as I'm concerned you can delete firmware/target/arm/as3525/powermgmt-as3525.c in the same commit, if you want |
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| 21:28:30 | Luca_S | groan.. I wish sandisk made its players with normal miniusb cables :( |
| 21:30:04 | robin0800 | Luca_S: its like phone makers too taking ages to use proper usb connectors |
| 21:30:34 | saratoga | the clip series has normal USB |
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| 21:31:04 | saratoga | emrecelikten: I suspected replacing the libfaad DCT and the rest of the SBR filterbanks will make up much of the difference between the two |
| 21:31:05 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r25541): Added battery profile change to correct file, removed unused powermgmt-as3525.c |
| 21:31:45 | saratoga | in theory I think it should be possible to form a DCT out of the various fourier transforms we already have in the codec lib, but I haven't looked into it yet |
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| 21:32:20 | saratoga | and of course theres already DCT-like code in mp3 and mpc since they use very similar filterbanks as libfaad |
| 21:35:31 | gevaerts | Torne: would you be very upset if I commit something that improves USB speed today, thereby possibly messing up possible speed change reports? |
| 21:36:14 | Torne | gevaerts: naw, it's fine ;) |
| 21:36:17 | pamaury | gevaerts: what does you want to change ? |
| 21:36:25 | Torne | gevaerts: it's probably not going to make any difference to people :) |
| 21:36:30 | Torne | which was mostly what i wanted to confirm |
| 21:37:03 | ranma | Hmm, the "Player - Sim" build errors look unrelated? |
| 21:37:24 | gevaerts | pamaury: I've done some thinking about fixing r24333, and it doesn't look too hard |
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| 21:37:45 | gevaerts | ranma: yes, known build system glitch |
| 21:37:54 | ranma | Ok |
| 21:38:24 | pamaury | gevaerts: what was the exact problem ? |
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| 21:39:24 | gevaerts | pamaury: the problem is that the way things were done (and are done again now in my tree) the CBW and new command transfers can complete in any order, while the code assumed that the CBW would complete first |
| 21:39:54 | pamaury | ok |
| 21:40:19 | gevaerts | a few extra states fixes that |
| 21:42:34 | gevaerts | pamaury: http://pastie.org/909945.txt is what I plan to commit in a few minutes |
| 21:42:52 | gevaerts | It adds one to two megabytes per second (back) on my ipod video |
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| 21:43:24 | gevaerts | oh, and it reduces ram usage for some targets as well. I cleaned up the CBW allocation a bit |
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| 21:44:15 | gevaerts | s/CBW/CSW in my earlier explanation... |
| 21:44:18 | pamaury | the change makes sense, I didn't look at precisely but at least it looks sensible |
| 21:45:08 | gevaerts | Well, it Works for Me (tm)! |
| 21:45:53 | pamaury | gevaerts: I currently have a problem with usb audio. If I put use usb strings, for some reason the linux kernel doesn't send me volume/mute update but if I don't use them, it does ! This could to be a problem with control transfers, any idea ? |
| 21:46:26 | gevaerts | that's weird... |
| 21:46:33 | gevaerts | It's not a memory overflow somewhere? |
| 21:47:32 | pamaury | I can't see how, everything looks fine, but who knows... And I can't make it works under Windows for now also |
| 21:48:03 | CIA-5 | New commit by gevaerts (r25542): Make usb storage wait for new commands in parallel with sending out the CSW again, for a nice speed improvement. ... |
| 21:48:15 | pamaury | I currently suspect that it could be an iso transfer completion during a control transfer completion (control completion uses queue whereas iso completion calls from interrupt handler) |
| 21:48:43 | gevaerts | that could be nasty :\ |
| 21:49:24 | pamaury | Yeah but it's on different endpoints and iso transfers don't prime anything (there is a 16 TD queue !) so i can't see how, I'm a bit puzzled |
| 21:50:16 | pamaury | As always, it will end up being a super stupid bug that I left somewhere... |
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| 21:51:05 | pamaury | And I can't debug it easily because wireshark output craps for control transfers ! Perhaps they broke something recently |
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| 22:00:30 | ThomasAH | (it works in the simulator though) |
| 22:01:03 | gevaerts | ThomasAH: the simulator isn't running on a RISC cpu though, so it has more defined instructions available |
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| 22:02:38 | ThomasAH | even viewing rockbox-info.txt does not work, I'm pretty sure this worked with an earlier svn revision |
| 22:03:01 | Luca_s | does it work when forcing boosting? |
| 22:03:36 | ThomasAH | Luca_s: How do I do that? (pressing a key on boot?) |
| 22:04:14 | Luca_s | system > debug > cpu freq > change the boost counter to 1 |
| 22:05:29 | ThomasAH | Luca_s: no, still undef. instruction |
| 22:05:57 | ThomasAH | (on internal memory and u(how do I compose micro?)SD) |
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| 22:06:42 | ThomasAH | ยต <- compose-m-u :) |
| 22:08:22 | Luca_s | just tested on fuzev2, it works fine.it has to be something specific to the clip |
| 22:09:11 | ThomasAH | FlynDice: can you verify if viewing .txt files with clip+ on current svn is broken for you, too? |
| 22:13:06 | ThomasAH | viewing .jpg no longer works, too ... this definitely worked on April 1st and some days after that (smurfs :)) |
| 22:13:27 | ThomasAH | but no undefined instruction here, just "Plugin returned error" |
| 22:15:15 | ThomasAH | anyway, I have to go to bed now (and will check listening to .ogg there ... .ogg and .spx seemed to work during a quick test) |
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| 23:08:03 | CIA-5 | New commit by tomers (r25543): rbutil: Add RockboxUtility to svn:ignore |
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| 23:16:30 | Luca_s | the vmware dev platform is broken? i get a bunch of linker errors when compiling (Normal mode, fuzev2). libgcc.a uses FPA instructions whereas rockbox.elf does not |
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| 23:23:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Blue_Dude: Well, hotkeys work now with the Nano1/2g!!! |
| 23:23:40 | S_a_i_n_t | They're still *really* hard to set, but they work... ;) |
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| 23:24:53 | kugel | tomers ?? |
| 23:27:04 | kugel | I'm not sure I understand that commit |
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