#rockbox 2010-04-16

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#rockbox log for 2010-04-16

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00:00:54	Gump	alright thanks. its bugging the hell out of me
00:01:10	linuxstb	Gump: What device are you running Rockbox on?
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00:01:28	Gump	sansa fuze
00:01:34	ThomasAH	Gump: ah, if I disable fade-in/out the delay is much shorter
00:01:41	ThomasAH	(crossfade already was disabled)
00:01:53	Gump	wait you mean fade in/out on pause?
00:01:57	ThomasAH	yes
00:02:02	Gump	hmm ill try it
00:02:45	Gump	nope still almost a 3 second delay
00:03:29	ThomasAH	(I changed a second setting, too ... let me verify)
00:03:32	gevaerts	which codec are you using?
00:03:38	ThomasAH	ogg here
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00:04:17	Gump	mp3
00:04:36	Gump	need to change to ogg, just got the player this morning
00:04:53	ThomasAH	ah
00:05:08	gevaerts	mp3 shouldn't be too CPU intensive
00:05:17	ThomasAH	Gump: when I let the track play until the disk-access icon turns off, then skip to the next track is fast
00:05:46	ThomasAH	it seems to fill a buffer and won't skip until it is full or something like that
00:05:50	Gump	for me no matter what it's a 3 second delay
00:06:18	Gump	once it changes tracks it's instantaneous, it just takes 3 seconds to register that i skipped it
00:06:46	Gump	the player registers the button click immediately though as the backlight comes on
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00:07:45	ThomasAH	Gump: sansa clip+ here, so not much different
00:08:16	Gump	hmm
00:08:28	Gump	well it doesn't seem like processing power because it wasn't a problem with sansa firmware
00:09:14	ThomasAH	Gump: the disk access icon is off before you press skip forward?
00:09:44	Gump	it never even comes on when i press skip and a new song starts
00:09:52	Gump	it only comes on like when i change a setting or something
00:09:57	ThomasAH	hmm
00:10:23	Gump	wow ok it just skipped right away. once
00:10:28	Gump	and then went back to 3 second delay
00:10:37	gevaerts	Gump: please put the contents of .rockbox/config.cfg on a site like pastebin.com
00:10:50	ThomasAH	Gump: fuze v1 or v2?
00:10:58	Gump	v1
00:12:17	Gump	where is .rockbox/config.cfg?
00:12:22	ThomasAH	so a bit more different from clip+, but should work better in general
00:13:03	ThomasAH	Gump: on your player :) (.rockbox is a hidden directory)
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00:15:57	Gump	http://pastebin.com/bAPuCDv1
00:16:26	Gump	that is config.cfg
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00:17:50	gevaerts	nothing obvious in there...
00:18:41	Gump	gevaerts: im assuming there is no setting specifically for a delay in skipping tracks?
00:20:32	Gump	aside from crossfade that is
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00:55:12	lazyguy	anyone here running rockbox on sansa c2x0v2
00:55:15	lazyguy	or clip+
00:55:15	saratoga_	stripwax: have you made any changes to the tremor patch?
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01:02:44	stripwax	saratoga - no. wasn't able to identify the unaligned access yet that seems to be causing crashes on my setup. annoyingly it seems intermittent but largely reproducible (and doesn't occur on unpatched or on oldrockboxmdct patched), but that could be a coincidence
01:03:20	stripwax	haven't been able to rule out that the problem is purely coincidence and not related to the patch. i'd say go for it, and if anyone else sees problems, take a look into it after the fact
01:03:35	stripwax	had a lot of Real Life recently and not a lot of time for this
01:04:33	saratoga_	stripwax: ok but i thought you made some minor changes ?
01:04:47	saratoga_	just removed that one autogenerated file?
01:06:10	stripwax	i think so
01:06:28	stripwax	I noticed rafael carre put up a trac issue with patch
01:06:36	stripwax	for the config issue not picking up arm asm
01:06:43	saratoga_	yeah
01:06:55	saratoga_	i'd like to also add support for detecting a few other arm compilers
01:06:57	saratoga_	its not that hard
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01:10:16	saratoga_	how do i fix the SVN permissions in that patch?
01:10:22	saratoga_	they're all executable for some reason
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02:39:20	Blue_Dude	S_a_i_n_t: you rang?
02:40:11	S_a_i_n_t	wow...good timing.
02:41:13	S_a_i_n_t	I can't "re-assign" a hotkey without first resetting them using the hotkeys reset option.
02:41:21	S_a_i_n_t	Is this intended behaviour?
02:42:05	Blue_Dude	I saw your post, kinda sorta "parsed" it :). I couldn't reproduce it though.
02:42:33	Blue_Dude	I can assign hotkeys one after another on the WPS screen without resetting to defaults. Is that what you meant?
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02:43:16	Blue_Dude	BTW, sorry I haven't been on lately. Day job. :)
02:43:57	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmm...On Nano 1/2g, I can set a hotkey fine, but only once. If I want to re-assign it to another value the screen just "blips" (a short flash of something) but it doesn't change the hotkeys value.
02:44:19	S_a_i_n_t	If I want to reassign that hotkey, I first have to reset it.
02:44:24	S_a_i_n_t	It sucks.
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02:45:26	S_a_i_n_t	I mean, the hotkeys idea doesn't suck, and hotkeys doesn't suck...but having to reset them if all I want to do is assign a new hotkey value sucks. :/
02:45:34	Blue_Dude	Hm. Hm, I say. I'm not sure what to say about that. Have you tried to make a Nano sim build to reproduce it there?
02:45:58	S_a_i_n_t	I was just going to build a sim now actually.
02:46:00	Blue_Dude	Agree, totally, that does suck. It's not supposed to be that way.
02:46:24	S_a_i_n_t	Someone earlier said they couldn;t reproduce it in the sim, but they never mentioned what target.
02:46:30	S_a_i_n_t	It was fml I believe.
02:46:38	Blue_Dude	If you can reproduce it there, I can work on the bug. If not, you've got more work to do :)
02:47:00	S_a_i_n_t	;) Righto...I'm building the SIM now.
02:47:06	Blue_Dude	It works on the e200 target and sim. I haven't run across that particular problem before.
02:47:18	S_a_i_n_t	I'll give you a buzz with some results soon-ish.
02:47:38	Blue_Dude	I'll hang out here for a while.
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02:49:23	Blue_Dude	You would ASSume it would work the same on all targets. As I proved with the last bug, that would be incorrect.
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03:03:36	Gump	hey guys how do i put .jpgs on a sansa fuze with rockbox on it?
03:03:48	Gump	i browse to the files from the player, click one and the screen turns blue
03:04:01	Gump	then another button press makes rockbox crash and restart
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03:36:14	funman	B4gder: can you update the front page with r25621 ?
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04:02:05	R6V	just joined to ask one question
04:02:27	R6V	does rockbox work on ipod classic yet?
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04:03:36	lazyguy	>Just to let you know Clipv2 and Clip+ were promoted down to the "'Unusable" category.
04:03:54	lazyguy	what was it considered before?
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04:05:17	funman	R6V: no
04:05:22	funman	lazyguy: unstable
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04:07:01	FlynDice	funman: find out anything new re sd today?
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04:08:49	lazyguy	so it's at a worse state?
04:09:37	FlynDice	lazyguy: It seems we've had to go backwards slightly to go forward eventually
04:09:40	funman	FlynDice: nope, didn't do anything more
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04:11:14	lazyguy	well, i dont get how it can go to a worse state, i mean, you can always revert back to the best working build right?
04:11:26	FlynDice	Rockbox time is very spotty for me until next week, I've got yearly training this week at work.
04:11:36	FlynDice	lazyguy: then revert.....
04:14:10	funman	lazyguy: we can revert but we're lazy guys too
04:15:32	lazyguy	so how does development go? you work on the latest build?
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04:18:59	funman	yes
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04:37:27	lazyguy	funman, so if i were to install rockbox in c250v2, from what i'm reading, i should try the 25508 build
04:38:28	funman	lazyguy: you mentioned only the Clipv2/Clip+, afaik you should use the latest c200v2 build
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04:39:07	lazyguy	well, i have both
04:40:04	lazyguy	i dunno, there's different build for each player right?
04:40:20	lazyguy	the thread is kind of hard to read
04:41:03	funman	read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS rather
04:41:14	funman	the thread is about the development, if you don't develop it won't help much
04:41:15	lazyguy	oh, it's updated
04:41:41	lazyguy	i'm reading because the latest working build is mentioned there
04:41:59	funman	what's wrong with the current c200v2 build?
04:42:53	lazyguy	no, nothing, just saying, the forum would be more updated then the wiki page
04:43:42	funman	with different content though. If you want the status check the wiki, if you want to help us with development check the forum
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04:59:25	R6V	ok so ipod video 4gen still works fine correct?
04:59:42	funman	R6V: see www.rockbox.org
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05:00:20	Antibuddha	this isnt really rockbox related, but has anyone here measured crazy dc offsets on mp3 players?
05:00:30	Antibuddha	i just measured 700mV while starting up the cowon q5w
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05:19:27	lazyguy	okay, i tried the RB on the wiki page
05:19:34	lazyguy	for the c250v2
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05:19:51	lazyguy	the rockbox boots for like 1 second on screen
05:19:57	lazyguy	and it turns off
05:20:38	funman	what does it show on screen ?
05:20:57	lazyguy	the logo
05:21:09	lazyguy	and the revision # on the bottom
05:21:12	lazyguy	i'm guessing
05:21:30	lazyguy	oh wait, i left it on hold
05:21:31	lazyguy	lol
05:21:33	lazyguy	sorry
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05:24:08	lazyguy	testing the plugins; the fireworks plugin crashes or freezes
05:24:41	lazyguy	cant find doom demo, but i'm guessing it wont work
05:24:51	funman	yes it's not even built
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05:25:35	funman	compile a list of not working plugins and post it on the forum with all details (the build revision you use), perhaps ranma or bertrik will see if those work for them (they have a c200v2)
05:26:19	lazyguy	sure
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05:34:51	saratoga_	it would also be nice to have a list of DSP features that ought to work but do not on the c200v2 (e.g. cuesheets are known to be broken on it)
05:35:39	funman	do they work on clipv1?
05:35:44	saratoga_	i think so
05:35:58	saratoga_	at least no one has complained and a lot more people use the clipv1
05:38:00	saratoga_	a better system for enabling non-essential rockbox features would be cool
05:38:38	funman	at build time ?
05:38:43	saratoga_	yeah
05:39:15	saratoga_	that way we could more easily turn features on and off, and of course people who don't want them could compile without them
05:39:39	saratoga_	now its kind of a mess with some features depending on memory size and others on the config files
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07:50:18	CIA-5	New commit by pixelma (r25653): Minor corrections or updates to descriptions in the manual: 'study mode' is called 'skip length', and talk clips are not MP3 files on all targets ...
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07:55:46	CIA-5	New commit by pixelma (r25654): Correct word order in the 'puzzle mode' explanation in jewels.tex.
07:57:11	pixelma	bah, just realised that there is also a typo in the same line... "skilful"
07:57:44	pixelma	isn't it (a) skillful and be even "skillfully"?
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08:33:00	funman	Bagder: do you need to manually update the front page each time we update index.t in svn ?
08:33:09	Bagder	yes
08:33:57	funman	is it wanted? i guess a post commit script would be simple to do
08:34:42	funman	can you update it to reflect clipv2/clip+ changes please?
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08:46:27	Zagor	do we have any docs regarding what wps changes make ancient themes incompatible?
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08:54:34	S_a_i_n_t	Zagor: I don;t think so...
08:54:54	Zagor	I couldn't find any either
08:54:59	S_a_i_n_t	One of the "more recent" theme breakers was a change to the font syntax IIRC
08:55:38	S_a_i_n_t	The sysntax for font declaration now needs to include the ".fnt", that broke a lot of themes.
08:55:53	S_a_i_n_t	s/sysntax/syntax/
08:57:23	S_a_i_n_t	Zagor: Do you have a theme in particular that's broken? Or just a general query?
08:57:44	Zagor	I got a question from someone with a 22 month old version
08:57:50	JdGordon	Zagor: the most probably one is %pb
08:58:05	JdGordon	but no, we dont keep track of breaks
08:58:19	JdGordon	we being those who do the damage :p others might
08:58:37	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: isn't it (a) skillful and be even "skillfully"?: yes, IIRC
08:59:56	S_a_i_n_t	Oh......right! I forgot about %pb, yes, that and the font syntax are likely to be culprits in a 22 month old theme.
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09:01:19	JdGordon	font is unlikely because almost no themes use it
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09:09:37	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: I don;t wanna come across as "The Boy Who Always Wants More"...but I was wondering about the feasability of a new set of alignment tags. I was wondering if it would be possible to have alignment tags for the volume/progress bars. Perhaps we could have them running vertically/horizontally, filling from left-to-right/right-to-left/bottom-to-top/top-to-bottom etc. I was also wondering if %bl could use progressbar type filling also...
09:09:41	S_a_i_n_t	Something to think about?
09:10:58	JdGordon	%bl?
09:11:09	JdGordon	vertical bars are on the todo...
09:11:47	S_a_i_n_t	%bl (IIRC) is the battery level
09:13:06	S_a_i_n_t	Vertical bars would be awesome...what about tags for the filling direction (left-to-right/right-to-left etc.)?
09:13:17	S_a_i_n_t	(sorry...) ;)
09:13:50	JdGordon	battery level shod be damn trivial to make working (bassically copy the changes needed for pv)
09:14:03	JdGordon	fill direction is a bit harder (also been requested before)
09:14:43	S_a_i_n_t	Aha...I figured fill direction would be a little harder as it also needs to change the seeking behaviour...is this correct?
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09:17:45	JdGordon	http://pastebin.com/i2wWfJTw is batt level
09:17:53	JdGordon	untested obviously
09:18:05	JdGordon	if that works then anyone can commit it (I'm afk till tomorow night)
09:18:25	pixelma	S_a_i_n_t: ok, thanks. I can't commit now here from work. If someone else, maybe a native speaker gets around that small change before - please do
09:18:27	JdGordon	not seek behaviour, drawing behaviour... pretty simple to do
09:19:41	S_a_i_n_t	I'll have a wee play with the battery level...and post some results.
09:19:49	S_a_i_n_t	Thanks btw ;)
09:19:58	S_a_i_n_t	Appreciated, muchly.
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09:23:43	JdGordon	make a list of any other tags which this makes sense for
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09:24:17	JdGordon	if there are too many more we might be abe to do something smarter for it
09:27:23	S_a_i_n_t	Ok, I'll attempt to do so.
09:27:46	S_a_i_n_t	Talk to you about it tomorrow I guess.
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09:27:59	S_a_i_n_t	And, again...thanks man. ;)
09:28:06	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: ^
09:28:57	*	petur is wondering about the CF compatibility reports on taperssection. Card boots fine but recording says disk is full.
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09:31:48	funman	Bagder: have you seen my questions at 8:34 ?
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09:36:20	pixelma	petur: maybe those are detected as read-only for some reason?
09:36:39	petur	hmmm interesting.
09:37:46	petur	they work fine via USB. I'll ask if they can create a file another way (save config,...)
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09:51:47	gevaerts	S_a_i_n_t: the "old" font syntax has only existed for a few days
09:53:02	linuxstb	petur: Is that just one person, or many? What does the "disk info" screen say? I think you can also update the "disk usage" info from that screen.
09:54:23	petur	linuxstb: there are several reporting this, and disk usage says the card is almost completely empty. A disk rescan was the first thing I suggested, but they already tried that too, didn't help.
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09:54:43	petur	atm they just go and buy another brand of card until it works
09:55:03	linuxstb	Weird...
09:55:30	linuxstb	Maybe that's a Rockbox bug though - displaying the wrong error message.
09:55:39	petur	could be
09:55:59	funman	"recording says disk is full" <- it can reflect other problems in recording
09:56:18	petur	I 'll see if one of them can be bothered to mail me such a card
09:56:26	funman	for example on c200v2 where the record buffer is too large to fit
09:56:59	petur	bugger... taperssection not reachable.. wtf
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09:57:25	petur	an now it's back again... weird
09:57:27	linuxstb	petur: Works for me...
09:59:32	S_a_i_n_t	Just slightly more than "a few days...", but yes, I forgot it came in with multifont.
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10:38:27	Coyote	hi all
10:39:56	Coyote	I'm trying to make a build with logf enabled, but the generated build doesn't boot
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10:41:21	Coyote	It freezes on the screen with the rockbox logo
10:42:45	Coyote	is there something else to be done after configuring the build to log and adding #define LOGF_ENABLE to the src file I want to look at ?
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10:43:00	linuxstb	Coyote: What device are you running Rockbox on?
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10:43:45	linuxstb	But no, there shouldn't be anything else to do.
10:45:46	Coyote	it's an h300
10:46:34	Coyote	just to be sure, I made a normal build wich worked flawlessly
10:47:37	*	linuxstb has no idea then
10:49:10	Coyote	the 2 src I tried to get log from are buffering and playback
10:49:51	Coyote	I tried to put the define in the .c or .h but exactly the same happened
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10:54:13	linuxstb	Does your code have any other modifications? What happens if you try a logf build, but without LOGF_ENABLE defined anywhere?
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10:55:42	Coyote	yep a few modification but not on these file (button action & remote display for buffering debug screen)
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10:56:22	Coyote	a clean logf build works creatly (but obviously doesn't log anything ^^
10:56:36	linuxstb	This is clean, but with your local changes?
10:57:10	Coyote	yep
10:57:54	linuxstb	I think I would try unmodified SVN, but with logf enabled in some files. Just to be sure your local changes aren't the cause.
10:58:10	linuxstb	And if it crashes then, then file a bug report.
10:58:57	Coyote	ok, I'll do that this evening
10:59:27	Coyote	as i'm at work not and can't svn to workaround that *** proxy
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11:00:15	Coyote	if someone was kind enough to give me a link to an archive of the svn, I could do it sooner though :)
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11:02:18	linuxstb	Coyote: There isn't one...
11:03:33	Coyote	I kno
11:03:40	Coyote	know*
11:03:47	Coyote	that's why I asked someone to be kind ;) didn't mean to be rash or anything
11:04:09	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmm...has anyone ever noticed that if you hold down seek (or fastforward, whatever you wanna call it) that it keeps seeking boyond the currently playing tack, but the playlist position/currently playing track info doesn't update until you release the seek button?
11:04:09	ranma	Coyote: taring now...
11:04:15	S_a_i_n_t	That seems like a bug to me.
11:04:34	S_a_i_n_t	s/boyond/beyond/
11:05:02	Coyote	ranma: thanks a lot!
11:07:16	S_a_i_n_t	But, I wonder which part is the buggy part...I mean, should it a: stop seeking when it hits the end of the currently playing track, or b: update the playlist position/now playing track info?
11:07:23	S_a_i_n_t	Any ideas anyone?
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11:11:30	ranma	Coyote: ranma/rockbox-svn-vanilla-20100416.tar.bz2">http://uguu.de/~ranma/rockbox-svn-vanilla-20100416.tar.bz2
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11:14:02	Coyote	that was fast! thanks a lot
11:14:28	Coyote	I'll try as soon as I finished to download the vmware stuff
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11:31:32	gevaerts	Coyote: there's a git mirror that's accessible over http
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11:36:55	Coyote	it's the part you can access form the svn part on the front page?
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13:33:44	piotrekm	hello
13:39:49	linuxstb	piotrekm: Hi.
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13:41:42	piotrekm	is the author of the rockbox logo here? I'm making an iLoader theme and would like to use the very violin key graphic, and thus would like to get it insted of trying to extract it from the bmp. (I assume it's also on a GPL license?)
13:41:51	piotrekm	*instead
13:42:37	Bagder	I don't think we have anything but bitmap versions of the logo
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13:43:25	Bagder	or is there a vector version somewhere?
13:43:33	piotrekm	that would be great
13:44:04	wodz	Is there anyone with coldfire based DAP at hand?
13:46:07	Coyote	wodz: I have an h300 right here
13:46:51	wodz	could You play some mp3 or ogg than go to System->Debug->View buffering thread and tell me what frequency You have?
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13:49:07	Coyote	linuxstb: the logf build I just made with the help of ranma just froze on the logo screen
13:49:13	Coyote	i'll file a bug report
13:49:20	piotrekm	oh, there is an svg - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/icons/rockbox-clef.svg
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13:52:55	Coyote	wodz: just give a sec
13:55:09	Coyote	124 mHz, allways boosted...
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13:55:45	*	Coyote hopes it only a display bug ^^
13:57:04	wodz	Coyote: have You tried few types of files?
13:58:21	Coyote	sorry, I only have mp3
13:58:46	Coyote	can try to find diferent bitrates tough
13:59:19	wodz	http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/
13:59:29	wodz	there are different test files
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14:00:07	wodz	pleas try a few + It would be nice If You could try wav file as well
14:01:02	Coyote	hmm
14:01:06	Coyote	just tried to skip
14:01:18	Coyote	& the cpu freq went back to normal
14:01:28	Coyote	(45 MhZ)
14:04:00	Coyote	after a restart, the fisrt song play @ 124MHz
14:04:44	Llorean	Is it still buffering at that point?
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14:05:46	Coyote	after it finished buffering, it's still at full speed
14:06:21	Coyote	for a few 10s
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14:08:05	Coyote	it's goning unboost just 1-2s before the main lcd goes dark
14:12:55	wodz	and does it remains unboosted than?
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14:19:24	Coyote	it seems that way
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14:27:32	kugel	pretty broken
14:27:35	wodz	perfectdrug: ping
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14:29:16	Coyote	wodz: from what I see, it's getting boosted while buffering & ~5s after
14:29:20	perfectdrug	wodz: hi, i just read your comment
14:29:31	Coyote	and while it's playing it's unboosted
14:29:51	wodz	perfectdrug: I just want to say I like Your graphics :-)
14:30:24	perfectdrug	thanks for the comment, feedback is very necessary as I don't own this player, button descriptions are easy to change
14:31:45	perfectdrug	I'm not sure if we describe the reset-hole though
14:32:01	perfectdrug	pixelma?
14:32:36	perfectdrug	(we are talking about the svg graphics for the manual
14:32:41	perfectdrug	)
14:35:54	pixelma	not yet, though I remember some discussion quite some time ago. IIRC it was deemed a good idea and I even started it but then couldn't decide where to stop... there are reset holes, microphone holes, headphone jack, USB etc...
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14:37:06	perfectdrug	I think reset may be usefull and maybe USB, thinking of the h300 with 2 USBs
14:37:06	wodz	reset is technically speaking a button (very special but still)
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14:38:55	perfectdrug	ok I have to go I come back later, wodz so I think it is no problem to add reset in the svg for this new target and add it to others maybe sometime later, question is if it is referenced in the manual
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14:44:14	wodz	Honestly I don't understand the origin of massive boosts... If I benchmark codecs I get result comparable with other coldfires, if I play mp3/ogg files I have many boosts, if I play wav I have boost only when buffering
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14:44:33	wodz	this doesn't make sense to me
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14:47:09	Llorean	wodz: You said the CPU use seems to be high even for WAV though - just barely skirting the edge of boosting
14:47:23	Llorean	Have you tried lowering the CPU speed to see if you can determine how much CPU time is spent just for UI stuff?
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14:48:24	Coyote	I tried the 192 wma from the link you gave me earlier
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14:48:51	Llorean	As well, since decode is fast but playback is not, could your audio driver be buggy somehow? Wasting time somewhere?
14:48:54	Coyote	after buffering, it goes unboosted - boosted - unboosted ...
14:49:30	kugel	jhMikeS: ping
14:50:09	kugel	ah, nevermind. io priority was added just recently
14:51:15	wodz	Llorean: audio driver is shared between all CF targets
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14:51:29	wodz	I mean sending samples to the codec
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14:55:54	pixelma	wodz (perfectdrug): about the reset hole, I believe if it is important for the player it is at least described in the text part (e.g. there is a reset hole on the X5/M5 but it also has hard poweroff, so for them it is not very important)
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14:58:56	ved	I have sansa e200. Anyone knows which would be consuming more energy: reading from micro sd card plugged in, or from internal flash drive? The real question is: is buying a 16gb microsd is worth it.
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16:10:07	Llorean	pamaury: It's under "Other devices" in device manager now, instead.
16:10:10	pamaury	Llorean: strange, can you make windows select the usb audio driver
16:10:27	pamaury	Or try to disable HID
16:10:44	Llorean	HID is disabled
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16:11:19	Llorean	"This device cannot start. (Code 10)"
16:11:26	pamaury	grrr
16:12:36	Llorean	pamaury: http://pastebin.ca/1863317 is the logf dump, if it'll help
16:12:38	pamaury	under Win 7 ?
16:12:42	Llorean	Yes, Win7 32-bit
16:13:27	pamaury	Perhaps Win7 wants an interface association thing. Can you have a look in the device manager to see what it reports ?
16:15:05	Llorean	What am I looking for exactly?
16:15:43	pamaury	In the menu, ask it to display by "connection" and tell what is device tree under Rockbox device
16:16:31	Llorean	I see USB Root Hub -> USB Audio Device
16:16:45	Llorean	I don't see anything under the audio device
16:18:07	pamaury	ok, so it's correctly detected but doesn't start and rasher can't play sound either (and I can't). So there must be something wrong somewhere else. I noticed that I can change the volume, can you try to change the volume of the audio device and check it does something in logf screen ?
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16:20:22	Llorean	pamaury: How can I change its volume? It doesn't show up in playback devices.
16:20:36	pamaury	Ah, then you can't I fear :)
16:21:09	pamaury	Anyway, don't bother with this, there is something wrong with playback, at least under windows, I need to figure out what it is
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16:23:05	Llorean	On Vista it behaves the same as on my Win7 machine
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16:31:34	ranma	ved: I'd say microsd will likely use about the same powerwise, but I haven't benchmarked microsd vs internal flash on my c200v2 yet. Depends on how much standby current the internal flash uses, which you of course can't really turn off.
16:32:40	ranma	The hw setup is pretty comparable, one flash chip + one flash controller + the uc sd interface (the internal flash is also presented as SD and not as a raw flash chip)
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17:07:01	sinthetek	ok, i got around to verifying the text reader problem i've been encountering is not the result of file or fs corruption
17:07:14	sinthetek	(according to md5sum results)
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17:10:43	rasher	pamaury: Maybe it's the same issue, and Vista/7 just notices it on init, rather than when trying to play something
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17:12:22	pamaury	rasher: I don't know, and until I test it myself with a real windows that will be hard. Under virtualbox, I sniff usb traffic and isochronous transfers are launched on windows but under linux, wireshark report no iso transfers so there is something wrong...
17:12:40	ved	ranma: tnx
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17:21:18	pamaury	I tried under windows myself and I don't get any iso transfer so there could be a problem with the usb driver but to be sure I would need to develop a program under windows to test it and the problem is that I don't have a windows setup with programming stuff and don't really want to have one :)
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17:22:52	pamaury	Who is developping under Windows here ? Does someone know how (if it's possible) to trigger usb transfers under windows from user land ?
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17:40:11	GodEater	pamaury: I think amiconn is your best bet there
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18:06:25	rom1dep	hi there ! I was an happy possessor of a rockboxed iPod 5G and then I decided to format it using gparted.. I thought I could be able to reinstall RB properly but now even iTunes can't restore it.. has someone already encountered this ?
18:07:23	gevaerts	Does it show anything on the screen?
18:08:17	ranma	Hmm, how can the pcm buffer be completely filled, but pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 0?
18:08:34	rom1dep	gevaerts: asks to be pluged onto a computer to be restored by iTunes
18:09:28	rom1dep	"Connect to your computer.\nUse iTunes to restore."
18:10:06	gevaerts	I don't know then. I'm not that familiar with ipods. Someone else might know more...
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18:12:18	rom1dep	gevaerts: I formated creating a new partition table and then formatting the whole disc into fat32... maybe a wrong partition table then ? any idea about what the correct one could be ?
18:12:53	gevaerts	rom1dep: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore might provide some help
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18:13:44	rom1dep	humm, I missed it thanks ! I try and feedback
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18:21:11	chrisb	is there anything wrong with loading copies of the same song with ogg,mp3 and flac versions to compare?
18:21:26	chrisb	song.mp3, song.ogg song.flac?
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19:04:19	ollebe	chrisb: i see no reason why it would fail... i've tried that with stock firmware.
19:04:40	chrisb	ollebe: ok
19:07:25	adnyxo	i need some help with installing rockbox on my clip v1
19:08:35	adnyxo	http://pastebin.com/kXZRgvj7
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19:12:42	pixelma	did anyone else find the FSM theme (announced on the forums) an the theme site familiar? I was sure I saw it before and found it listed on the wps gallery pages (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsIpod5g) but the screenshots are gone. Going by the wiki and the forum user name it's probably by the same guy. The interesting thing is that before in the wiki he mentioned using art from venganza.org and licensed his theme under a CC-BY-NC-SA license which
19:12:42	pixelma	is also what I find at venganza.org and thought is not compatible with CC-BY-SA because it adds restrictions
19:13:59	perfectdrug	i definately saw this theme before
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19:14:41	FlynDice	adnyxo: did you make mkamsboot yet?
19:16:33	pixelma	perfectdrug: my question is, if he still uses the graphics from this site: http://www.venganza.org/ and if so - what http://www.venganza.org/license.htm means for it
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19:23:53	ranma	advcomp2019_: Try "chmod 755 mkamsboot" to make it executable
19:24:27	ranma	advcomp2019_: Sorry, meant adnyxo, but he already quit...
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19:30:41	perfectdrug	pixelma: the monster is from http://itchstudios.com/psg/ who writes: "The Flying Spaghetti Monster which I painted (yeah yeah, Michelangelo too) is pretty much free to use for press and such as far as I'm concerned" a little vague, i don know if CC-BY-NC-SA is compatible with CC-BY-SA though.
19:32:00	FlynDice	ranma: I've got a dead clip+ 2GB that may possibly respond to your JTAG magic. Are you interested or does it find it's way to the landfill...?
19:33:09	gevaerts	perfectdrug: NC is definitely not compatible with non-NC
19:34:08	ranma	FlynDice: I'm definitely interested.
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20:20:45	ollebe	seems i actually can do some useful work on rockbox after all. :)
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20:21:06	ollebe	fixed a few really annoying bugs in an emulator
20:21:39	ollebe	emuriver, written by Tomek for iriver IFP. do you think it could be added to svn?
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20:25:30	ollebe	do you have any other ARM emulator you're using for reverse-engineering or is emuriver the only one?
20:26:50	B4gder	we don't normally use any emulator at all
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20:28:26	ollebe	ok. i guess it's ok to upload patches to the wiki anyway.
20:29:00	pixelma	the place for patches is in the patch tracker usually :)
20:29:10	B4gder	if we can make it (more) useful, I'm sure people will like it
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20:29:32	ollebe	pixelma: but it's not in svn?
20:33:55	GodEater	ollebe: newbies get to post to the patch tracker until we're convinced of the quality of their work. Then they get invited to get svn access.
20:34:13	GodEater	the better your work, the quicker that happens usually
20:34:48	ollebe	GodEater: i understand that, but this emulator is not in the repository, therefore SVN access won't help in patching it
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20:36:53	GodEater	but there's nothing stopping you submitting it as a patch
20:37:06	GodEater	the patch just won't modify any existing files
20:37:19	ollebe	good point. i'll do so.
20:38:02	ollebe	it would be great to make it emulate more ARM players than just iriver iFP though
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20:38:51	GodEater	sure, and I'm sure it'll generate some interest from others of a like mind
20:39:39	B4gder	wouldn't basing something like that on qemu or similar be a better idea?
20:40:01	jarda-wien	hello, I may have bricked my sandisk sansa clip+ with rockbox today. I did everything the wiki stated and managed to boot rockbox.
20:40:24	ollebe	ideally it should have been done three years ago or so, but better late than never
20:40:26	jarda-wien	later on I switched the player off and from then, I can't seem to do anything with it
20:40:33	FlynDice	jarda-wien: Have you pressed and held the pwr button for 20 secs?
20:40:50	ollebe	b4gder: maybe it would. idk.
20:41:49	jarda-wien	FlynDice: ok that did the trick!
20:42:35	FlynDice	jarda-wien: Almost always does.. That's a hard reset
20:42:53	jarda-wien	FlynDice: could you explain what it does? I have no experience with rockbox... but I have a lot with flashing phones, mainly sony ericcson and various routers with openwrt...
20:43:39	jarda-wien	FlynDice: a hard reset with a palm t3 restored the image from rom, so if you didn't touch it, everything would be fine
20:43:51	gevaerts	jarda-wien: it just turns off the player
20:44:18	jarda-wien	FlynDice: fdisk reports some weird partitioning on the player, so I guess there is no rom, but some special hidden partition on the internal flash
20:45:13	ollebe	enwp: QEMU emulates the armv5tej instruction set and all the derivative processors
20:45:31	jarda-wien	FlynDice: honestly I got a little bit scared, Is it safe or shall I rather use the OF until rockbox goes stable on this device?
20:45:40	FlynDice	jarda-wien: If the player is stuck in a loop somewhere it resets the hardware so it boots up again... ie hardware reset
20:46:19	ollebe	b4gder: that should be better than emuriver considering emuriver seems quite slow
20:46:53	FlynDice	I cannot promise you it is "safe" but it is highly unlikely to brick your player running unmodified SVN
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20:48:55	jarda-wien	FlynDice: well I understand the risks with using alternate firmwares, but if the state is that svn doesn't brick, then I am ok with it. Anyway, thanks for the hardreset tip!!!
20:51:56	ThomasAH	jarda-wien: I tried probably 20-30 different svn revisions on the clip+ and it is still not bricked :)
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20:52:23	ThomasAH	jarda-wien: svn r25416 works quite good for me
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21:23:37	saratoga	ollebe: having an emulator would be nice, if you want to work on it you should submit the patch
21:25:18	ollebe	saratoga: i'll submit a patch for the IFP emulator, but i can't say what emulator i'll work on in the future, if any.
21:26:00	saratoga	ollebe: how much can the emulator run right now?
21:26:07	ollebe	at least on my system these two small bugfixes boosted the speed about 5 times or so :s
21:26:32	ollebe	saratoga: iriver ifp 790, 795 and 799 it has been said.
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21:26:56	saratoga	but what does it run? the original firmware or rockbox or both?
21:27:49	ollebe	oh. i've only tried with OF, with varying success, but i suppose the rockbox branch for ifp has been developed with this emulator
21:28:03	ollebe	i should try.
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21:30:33	pixelma	the ifp port hasn't been touched for quite some time though, but it would sure be nice if it could get some attention again :)
21:31:04	ollebe	i have no IFP, so i wont do that
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21:32:06	pixelma	wouldn't trying in an emulator be potentially helpful?
21:34:35	ollebe	well, the ifp port doesn't seem to even compile. or something. error: ‘PITCH_SPEED_PRECISION’ undeclared
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21:35:08	ollebe	i really have to eat breakfast/lunch/dinner, bbl
21:35:14	ollebe	>.<
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21:41:45	Devlyn	what folder do i copy music to to add it to rockbox?
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21:42:10	kugel	any
21:42:45	Devlyn	so just copy it to the root dir?
21:43:01	kugel	that works yes
21:43:02	Horscht	wherever you want
21:43:13	Horscht	you can make your own folder structure if you want
21:43:15	Devlyn	how do i refresh the database then?
21:43:41	kugel	through the database settings
21:44:22	Horscht	putting the files into a folder named "music" on the device root seems like a nice and clean sollution, btw
21:45:09	Devlyn	i can't find the stuff i have saved on it at all in explorer?
21:45:25	Horscht	where did you put "the stuff"?
21:45:48	Devlyn	in my nose
21:45:49	Devlyn	jk
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21:46:53	Devlyn	no idea. apparently its hidden
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21:47:40	pixelma	what player are you talking about and how did you copy it over?
21:48:11	Devlyn	ok found that
21:53:18	Devlyn	think i have it fixed. thnx
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22:04:53	CIA-5	New commit by alle (r25656): Fix typo and correct punctuation
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22:50:48	perfectdrug	I just saw the recent rbutil commit, there is a typo too when you start the util without a player connected it says "Ausgewähltes Gerät: Gerä_R_ / Einhängeüunkt unbekannt"
22:51:26	perfectdrug	erm Gerär < is wrong not Einhängepunkt;)
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23:14:34	q0_0p	anyone know what the purpose of this firmware update?
23:14:34	q0_0p	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungZ5#Introduction
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