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| 00:11:45 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25658): Convert macro to inline function and move it into .c file. |
| 00:12:10 | kugel | these freaky binsize changes |
| 00:21:11 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r25659): Cleanup thread_entry definition a bit. Reorder members so that related ones are next to each other and move a pretty hidden define into config.h. ... |
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| 01:11:07 | ollebe | ok so what's a good way to make a patch out of this code tree? should I put it somewhere in my copy of the svn? |
| 01:13:47 | saratoga | ollebe: you should just be able to type "svn diff" in the root of your checkout |
| 01:14:23 | ollebe | saratoga: yes but where to put the files? under tools, utils, or elsewhere? |
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| 01:14:47 | saratoga | oh sorry misunderstood |
| 01:14:55 | saratoga | utils is probably best |
| 01:15:01 | ollebe | ok. |
| 01:15:43 | ollebe | it duplicates some source files from an old version of RB, like fat.c, disk.c, etc. will that be a problem? |
| 01:16:09 | saratoga | maybe, i would post the patch now and see what people say |
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| 02:04:38 | lordbah | Can I just rm .rockbox/doom? I couldn't see any way to avoid installing it when using automatic installation, or uninstalling just doom via Rockbox Utility. |
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| 02:05:09 | gevaerts | yes |
| 02:05:55 | lordbah | Ah, space for several more tunes. Thanks. |
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| 02:31:42 | detaos | hello all! |
| 02:31:55 | detaos | any chance the 6th generation ipods will be supported soon? |
| 02:37:19 | krazykit | not really. no one seems to be working on it in any significant sense |
| 02:37:53 | detaos | sadness ... is the 6th gen that significantly different from the 5th gen? |
| 02:38:03 | krazykit | yes |
| 02:39:07 | detaos | how hard is it to set up the dev environment for rockbox? |
| 02:39:14 | detaos | ie, what tools do i need? |
| 02:40:00 | detaos | (i run a debian derivative called sidux) |
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| 02:42:46 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 02:44:16 | detaos | thanks krazykit |
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| 03:12:00 | detaos | can rockbox not be compiled with gcc 4.4.x? |
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| 03:19:49 | saratoga | detaos: last I heard it can, but it may or may not work correctly on all devices |
| 03:20:41 | detaos | saratoga: ok ... i was just a little surprised when the setup script downloaded and installed gcc 4.0.3 |
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| 03:51:52 | R6V | anyone on? |
| 03:53:17 | R6V | was looking at the ipod video 5th gen and read that the 80GB version has a newer FW on it will that affect the installation of rockbox to it? |
| 03:56:12 | R6V | any thoughts? |
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| 04:04:44 | saratoga | R6V: I think you misread |
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| 04:20:43 | ollebe | the patch is uploaded. |
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| 04:28:26 | R6V | ok so nop problems then corect? |
| 04:29:03 | R6V | reason for my asking is because i'm very tempted to bid on a 80gb ipod video 5th gen right now on ebay |
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| 04:36:57 | soap | It appears you have confused the 5th generation (plastic face (black or white), chrome back) with the 6th generation (metal face (silver or black)), R6V. While the 6th generation does have different firmware - the key difference is that it is encrypted firmware. |
| 04:38:03 | soap | Being that you appear to be in New York, R6V, I think you might very well find better pricing and the ability to inspect the goods before paying (to be sure of the generation at least) on Craigslist. |
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| 04:52:17 | R6V | yes very true, havent thought of looking there yet but I am very familiar witht he site. |
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| 04:53:49 | R6V | reason for the scare came from reading the wiki info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#Models |
| 04:54:36 | R6V | right next to the picture of the ipod video was this"Hardware and firmware updated with 60 GB model replaced with 80 GB model on 12 September 2006" |
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| 09:39:13 | S_a_i_n_t | I've been through last nights/todays logs...and didn't see anything jump out in regards to my question about seeking (fast-forward/whatever). Does anyone happen to know if RB is *supposed* to keep seeking past the currently playing track, and into the next, and the one after etc. ? |
| 09:39:39 | S_a_i_n_t | And if it *is*, why doesn't the "now playing"/playlist position info change also? |
| 09:42:16 | pixelma | sounds a bit like a bug to me and I tried what happens on my Ondio which is hwcodec and hence uses a different playback/buffering engine and that doesn't happen there. It just stays at the end of the track, you can keep the button pressed as much as you like |
| 09:42:52 | S_a_i_n_t | If I hold down seek, and it hits the end of the currently playing song there is no visual prompt that it has continued seeking into the next track at all. The "now playing'/playlist position etc. don't get updated until |<< or >>| is released. |
| 09:44:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I discovered it accidentally by holding down seek and then losing track of what I was doing having a conversation with the GF, then I noticed it had "seeked"(?) from track 1 right through to track 9 :-S |
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| 09:46:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess I'll need some input from someone who knows about swcodec & seeking before I go posting things on the tracker though. |
| 09:46:30 | pixelma | if I release the button on the Ondio it plays the last 3..5 seconds of the track I was seeking in and goes on to the next |
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| 09:47:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Ahhhh, well yes, I have a *very* different result ;) |
| 09:48:13 | pixelma | that's why I mentioned it |
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| 09:49:18 | S_a_i_n_t | If the "now playing" & "playlist position" were updated....then it would almost be a feature ;) |
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| 10:24:59 | pixelma | B4gder: is the build (and packaging) system your or Zagor's field (or both)? The wrong builds in the zips bug is getting annoying... |
| 10:25:30 | B4gder | its been mostly zagor's area lately |
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| 10:31:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Has anyone tried seeing if it happens if the roolku monsters are taken out of the farm for a while? |
| 10:31:20 | S_a_i_n_t | That seems to be when it started...but, perhaps just coincidence. |
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| 10:36:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Applying: http://pastebin.com/i2wWfJTw to clean SVN gets me: http://pastebin.com/Gf2GPc5G :( I guess I need JdGordon for this though... |
| 10:37:02 | pixelma | I think it was there before but now happens more often - that's why I think it's some timing problem (wild guess though) |
| 10:40:08 | S_a_i_n_t | The question to ask is, *why* is it happpening more often? And, why did it seem to coincide with a large handful of *very* fast machines to the build farm? |
| 10:40:27 | S_a_i_n_t | My guess would have been that roolku's machines *improved* matters... |
| 10:42:43 | pixelma | if the same amount of thing happens at a way shorter time, it's more likely that some things happen at almost the same time |
| 10:45:35 | pixelma | I noticed that the build that actually end up in wrong zips seem to always been built by one of roolku's clients but I guess that those just build quite a large percentage of all builds so it doesn't have to mean much |
| 10:46:33 | pixelma | (by looking at the build table info) |
| 10:48:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, I thought that too...but roolku's machines are just dominating the builds. Not a lot of other build clients stand a chance against those beasts. |
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| 10:53:59 | S_a_i_n_t | It'll be a shame if/when they have to be taken down. Build times are *pretty damn quick* lately. |
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| 11:08:14 | stripwax_ | Anyone else noticed the binsize page is looking a bit random these days? http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi . is that real or is something funny going on with build servers (different gcc versions maybe?) |
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| 11:08:49 | pixelma | sometimes there are wrong builds in the zips |
| 11:08:56 | stripwax_ | crikey. |
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| 11:09:40 | stripwax_ | i thought something must be up when a revision which changes a .tex file generates a 1.6MB binsize difference ... |
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| 11:10:36 | pixelma | yes, it doesn't only mean weird bin size jumps but also broken builds (I wasn't aware much of that until I gave it some thought) |
| 11:11:37 | stripwax_ | pixelma - so for example, if I simply click on the (say) Samsung YH820 build link, the zip I download might contain bits of Sansa Fuze code? |
| 11:11:41 | stripwax_ | that's a bit scary |
| 11:11:48 | stripwax_ | the broken build bit. |
| 11:11:56 | pixelma | yes |
| 11:13:14 | stripwax_ | right. I think I've experienced that at some point in fact (i've experienced broken builds got from the download page, and noticed recently I have some rockbox.gigabeat file on my ipod) |
| 11:13:20 | pixelma | stripwax_: e.g. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24529.0 |
| 11:14:24 | stripwax_ | pixelma - that thread suggests the build system is corrected. or is saratoga saying 'on a rebuild it will be fine' (which isn't even true if I understand it - on a rebuilt it *might* be fine, but it might be iriver100 or gigabeat F, who knows) |
| 11:14:40 | pixelma | yeah, unpacking such a build means that most plugins and codecs will be replaced but not the firmware file. It'll usually fix itself but you'll also gather some stuff you don't need |
| 11:15:21 | pixelma | stripwax_: no, he just means that the next build round usually doesn't suffer the same error agaun |
| 11:15:29 | pixelma | again too |
| 11:15:30 | stripwax_ | yeah, fair enough |
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| 11:26:18 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: come up with a list of other tgas which make sense for the progressbar style? |
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| 11:35:54 | S_a_i_n_t | All I can think of (atm) is battery %bl, volume (already done) and progressbar (again, already done.) |
| 11:36:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Did you see what happened to me earlier trying to patch with the battery-progressbar? |
| 11:36:51 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/Gf2GPc5G |
| 11:36:59 | JdGordon | make clean |
| 11:37:05 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: ^ |
| 11:37:10 | S_a_i_n_t | it was clean. |
| 11:37:17 | S_a_i_n_t | brand new directory. |
| 11:37:18 | JdGordon | my patch couldnt have done that |
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| 11:38:09 | S_a_i_n_t | svn diff comes back ok, and the sim builds without the patch. |
| 11:40:07 | pixelma | and it was a new build dir or one you ran "make clean" in? |
| 11:40:16 | S_a_i_n_t | lines 7 and 8 in that pastebin seem to reference battery level/progressbar...so, it made sense to me that it was complaining about the patch. |
| 11:40:30 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: new build dir |
| 11:40:48 | S_a_i_n_t | in my "clean" tree. |
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| 11:44:57 | S_a_i_n_t | And by "svn diff comes back ok", I mean "the tree is fine, no modified files at all" and not just "there doesn't seem to be anything that would affect it in there" |
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| 11:50:46 | S_a_i_n_t | For a *total* sanity check I'm building a sim in a brand new dir, in a brand new checkout. |
| 11:51:26 | JdGordon | gcc could be barfing because it is missing the header for battery_level() but I woudltn expect thatg |
| 11:52:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Hhehe...I've learned not to expect anything here ;) |
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| 12:57:58 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Hmmmmm, ok. The sim built this time. but is http://pastebin.com/WTWh5pSV anything to be concerned about? |
| 12:58:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Building a sim normally throws a bunch of funky lookin' stuff at me, so I'm never quite sure what should/shouldn't be there. |
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| 13:22:28 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: thats safe to ignore |
| 13:24:26 | S_a_i_n_t | sweet, thanks. |
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| 13:33:06 | JdGordon | strlcat() expects the size of the dest right? not the remaining free space? |
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| 13:41:03 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r25660): use strlcat() instead of snprintf in the playlist viewer, and fix it so it will show the whole playlist if it would fit in the viewport (instead of ... |
| 13:42:39 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: The battry-progressbar seems to work fine. The only "problem" I have with it is that it makes it difficult (well, I haven't figured out a way to do it yet) to display a visual queue (like, turning red for example) when the battery hits "X"% |
| 13:42:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Otherwise...it works fine. |
| 13:43:06 | JdGordon | it is arbitrary to is there any need? |
| 13:43:15 | JdGordon | and it is simple maths :) |
| 13:43:28 | JdGordon | 0 is empty, 100 is full, so the first 10% of pixels should be red |
| 13:43:40 | S_a_i_n_t | but, think about it...it will *always* display using one bitmap. |
| 13:43:44 | JdGordon | unless you mean the whole thing shouldnt be red untill the end? |
| 13:43:54 | stripwax | that makes sense to me.... |
| 13:44:22 | JdGordon | probably do something like the %pv silliness we had? |
| 13:44:36 | S_a_i_n_t | well, the way I had it using bitmapstrips when it got to 10% it turned red. |
| 13:45:59 | JdGordon | does the batt level work the same as the middle bit of volume? |
| 13:46:13 | JdGordon | i.e it works out the value based on how many conditions you give it? |
| 13:46:43 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, I believe so. |
| 13:47:55 | S_a_i_n_t | To be completely honest, that conversation about %pv and conditionals etc (what a f**king headache) left me just shaking my head, and I haven't looked at it since ;) |
| 13:48:06 | JdGordon | haha |
| 13:49:41 | S_a_i_n_t | oh, except with the %bl?< etc. the first segment of the string is for "unknown value", which I don;t think %pv does. |
| 13:50:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Other than that, yes, it works the same as %pv, or the "middle bit" of %pv rather |
| 13:51:18 | JdGordon | so you could do 2/3 different bmp bars |
| 13:51:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought about that, but, once the new value is hat/discarded..wouldn;t it stop srawing the old one? |
| 13:52:01 | JdGordon | excecpt you'd really need to do 4 to make it not look odd |
| 13:52:02 | S_a_i_n_t | s/hat/hit/ |
| 13:52:18 | JdGordon | try it and see? |
| 13:52:22 | S_a_i_n_t | *drawing...gah! |
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| 13:55:59 | JdGordon | anyone care to test a quick patch for the playlsit viewer? |
| 13:56:07 | JdGordon | (doesnt fix the bug, although it just might) |
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| 13:59:55 | JdGordon | hehe, I tihnk there is a new wierd issue with the viewer. Depending onw how it buffers, it is possible for a track in the future (which is fully buffered) to not show up in the list with id3, but the next tracks to |
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| 14:00:17 | JdGordon | I don't think that is worth adding hacks to fix |
| 14:01:08 | JdGordon | AH! no it cant :) |
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| 14:02:04 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r25661): drop the playlist viewer stack usage by reading straiught off the buffer instead of copying it. |
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| 14:06:40 | Luca_S | nice green delta :) |
| 14:07:01 | JdGordon | meh, not small enough to care about |
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| 14:07:51 | Luca_S | the mail by CS Tech sounds interesting |
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| 14:17:03 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r25662): mkamsboot: accept Clip+ OF v01.02.13 |
| 14:19:22 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: http://pastebin.com/2MBYVebu, I'm surprised as hell that the parser accepted this...but, meh. |
| 14:19:36 | S_a_i_n_t | The problem is though "Fillbar-RED" is never drawn. |
| 14:19:42 | S_a_i_n_t | which I don;t understand. |
| 14:22:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought I'd be a smartass and reuse the battery image, except for the first fifth, and the code seems to suggest that this worked. Except of course for the fact that it still keeps drawing "Battery Fillbar" when it should be drawing "Battery Fillbar-RED" for the final ~20% |
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| 14:40:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: I experimented a bit with these playlist viewer tags on my Ondio and use the following line in a viewport that only appears if a next file is there (buffered): %Vp|1|%ar%>%pp. |-| While it doesn't mess with the playlist there is one oddity which is also playlist related (maybe a lead but don't know) - this line is supposed to show the next track's playlist position and it works except for the one track before the last where it shows |
| 14:40:02 | pixelma | nothing (not even the " - " for the unknown case) |
| 14:40:47 | JdGordon | that is probaly fixed now |
| 14:41:19 | JdGordon | you mean the last track not showing right? |
| 14:41:25 | JdGordon | not the one before last? |
| 14:41:35 | pixelma | another weird thing I just noticed is that %> actually displayed as >> if I remove the % I get it correctly. This only happens in the playlist viewer thing |
| 14:42:26 | pixelma | if I listen to the one before the last, it should show me the last track's playlist position if possible, which doesn't work |
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| 14:43:09 | pixelma | not the very latest revision though |
| 14:43:58 | pixelma | oh, missing the last item... let's see |
| 14:45:54 | CIA-5 | New commit by jdgordon (r25663): fix escaped chars being displayed twice in the playlist viewer (i.e %> showing as >> ) |
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| 14:47:39 | gevaerts | stripwax: from what I could find out, the correct targets get built and uploaded, and then they get swapped on the server |
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| 14:54:50 | JdGordon | AAARRRRR.... what we bloody need is a way for one tag to use the value from another more easily |
| 14:55:06 | S_a_i_n_t | yes...indeed. |
| 14:55:11 | JdGordon | ideally we should be able to say "this bar should be used to draw token X between 0 and 10% |
| 14:55:19 | JdGordon | and this one between 10% and 100% |
| 14:55:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I have no idea why the line I pastebinned isn't working right. |
| 14:55:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Trying to figure it out now. |
| 14:55:51 | S_a_i_n_t | and yes, and yes. |
| 14:57:33 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: If it helps...that line I pastebined earlier, only the last case of %bl|battery Fillbar|-|etc. gets drawn. |
| 14:57:43 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't however, explain why. |
| 14:58:00 | gevaerts | Throw out all the fancy WPS tags, and allow using lua for fancy themes |
| 14:58:17 | S_a_i_n_t | blargh... |
| 14:58:58 | S_a_i_n_t | a long time ago, wasn't %pb a "fancy tag"? ;) |
| 14:59:39 | JdGordon | gevaerts: or that :) |
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| 15:01:47 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: did you try what happens if all those bars are not at the same spot? |
| 15:02:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm, yes. Pissing around tells me that in http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=sH0E24Xb only draws the last case of "Battery Fillbar" |
| 15:03:13 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: no, I haven't. |
| 15:04:19 | JdGordon | hmm, looks like bars are always drawn... need to put some fancy logic in there so they can be used in conditionals |
| 15:04:42 | JdGordon | you're getting the bottom 10% of the full bar bmp? |
| 15:04:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Pity that discussion about %pv exploded like it did. |
| 15:05:11 | S_a_i_n_t | I would've noticed this sooner ;) |
| 15:05:19 | * | pixelma is getting scared by JdGordon's fancy logic |
| 15:05:37 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: yes. |
| 15:05:47 | S_a_i_n_t | it only draws the "full case" image |
| 15:06:13 | S_a_i_n_t | "full image" case? |
| 15:06:27 | S_a_i_n_t | blargh...you know what I meant ;) yes, what you said ;P |
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| 15:12:02 | JdGordon | heck, we could even add a new tag which takes the next tag as input (requiring it to be in the known set) which can provide a value and a max to do this |
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| 15:18:14 | JdGordon | unless we start giving bars id's now, and then have a new tag with a list of bars with a dynamic range of 0-100%? %bar|%pv|a|b|c| so a would be drawn in the first 33% of pv, then b, then c |
| 15:18:15 | JdGordon | etc |
| 15:18:49 | pixelma | JdGordon: I now get the default wps with the wps that worked before but had two >> in it due to %> |
| 15:19:21 | JdGordon | pastebin the pv line |
| 15:19:22 | JdGordon | Vp line |
| 15:19:36 | S_a_i_n_t | now now, men can't multitask remember. ;) |
| 15:20:27 | JdGordon | slashdot says everyone can hold 2 things at one.. oh whats that? |
| 15:20:47 | pixelma | still the same as before |
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| 15:21:24 | pixelma | %Vp|1|%ar%>%pp. |-| |
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| 15:24:00 | JdGordon | WFM |
| 15:24:36 | JdGordon | pastebin the debugwps text |
| 15:24:40 | JdGordon | and the whole wps |
| 15:25:03 | pixelma | debugwps doesn't build here |
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| 15:47:23 | pixelma | JdGordon: the problem seems to be now a %% that I use to display a percent sign (for battery level) |
| 15:47:46 | JdGordon | in a Vp? |
| 15:48:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Noooo! Don't take away my %% |
| 15:48:29 | * | S_a_i_n_t uses this tag a LOT ;) |
| 15:48:39 | pixelma | no, just in a usual viewport |
| 15:48:50 | JdGordon | that was always a problem then... |
| 15:48:57 | pixelma | no |
| 15:48:59 | JdGordon | not sure how that commit could have affected it though |
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| 15:49:09 | pixelma | it worked so far |
| 15:52:25 | pixelma | I'm a bit puzzled though - ERR: Failed parsing on line 29 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 100: "No token" - line 29 is just %bl%% - if I comment out the complete line, I get "ERR: Failed parsing on line 29 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 97: "String ''"" |
| 15:53:04 | S_a_i_n_t | doesn't that just mean it's hit another error? |
| 15:53:16 | S_a_i_n_t | and, line numbers are rarely accurate. |
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| 15:53:54 | pixelma | thsi |
| 15:54:07 | pixelma | err.. this WPS worked fine for ages |
| 15:54:39 | * | pixelma will go back some revisions and try again |
| 15:55:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm. Odd then, but, according the the debug output, I'd be looking at either line 96, 97, or 98. |
| 15:55:13 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: ^ |
| 15:56:09 | pixelma | line? |
| 15:56:24 | pixelma | look again |
| 15:56:46 | S_a_i_n_t | yeppers, just gotcha then. |
| 15:56:51 | S_a_i_n_t | weirder still. |
| 15:57:34 | S_a_i_n_t | that is with line 29 commented out completely? |
| 15:59:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I seem to find that if the debug output points you to lets say, line 10, then you *really* should be looking at lines 9, 10 and/or 11. |
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| 16:00:09 | pixelma | a hmm... I now commented out the line below and "reenabled the %bl one - now the WPS works |
| 16:00:17 | pixelma | the line below reads: |
| 16:00:27 | pixelma | %?pv<mute|%pv|line|+%pv> |
| 16:00:31 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, the output is often off by 1 line. |
| 16:00:37 | S_a_i_n_t | +/- |
| 16:01:19 | pixelma | one of the changes to %pv then |
| 16:01:29 | S_a_i_n_t | probably. |
| 16:01:51 | S_a_i_n_t | though, it *shouldn't* be. |
| 16:02:09 | pixelma | well, it worked fine before |
| 16:02:50 | S_a_i_n_t | AFAIK (even with the changes to %pv) this should still work, and if it doesn't (which it clearly doesn't) then it needs some attention. |
| 16:02:59 | S_a_i_n_t | As that will break *MANY* themes. |
| 16:03:12 | S_a_i_n_t | possibly including cabbie |
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| 16:05:53 | S_a_i_n_t | The whole idea (or at least one of them) with the changes to %pv to allow it to work as a progressbar also, was that it would still leave the original functions of the tag intact. |
| 16:06:04 | S_a_i_n_t | This apparently hasn't happened. |
| 16:06:12 | fml | kugel: re your last commit to thread.h: I would protect the definition of wakeup_ext_cb by HAVE_WAKEUP_EXT_CB, not by HAVE_EXTENDED_MESSAGING_AND_NAME. In the end, it's the same, but it would seem more naturally to me. |
| 16:06:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Good job for spotting it I guess :) |
| 16:06:38 | kugel | fml: sounds good, can you do it? |
| 16:06:40 | pixelma | the shipped Archos themes all work |
| 16:07:23 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Hmmm, so I wonder...is the difference that you have text in your %pv line? |
| 16:07:27 | pixelma | but many (if not all) have graphical representation of volume level |
| 16:07:34 | fml | kugel: I can. Is it safe? I'd only test it for the sim on one platform. OK? |
| 16:07:42 | S_a_i_n_t | could you try taking out "line" and "mute" and see if it works then? |
| 16:08:55 | pixelma | the problem seems to be the %pv inside it |
| 16:09:34 | S_a_i_n_t | as "%?pv<%xda|%xdb|etc." is just the same as %?pv<mute|volume 1|volume 2|etc. |
| 16:09:49 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems like a very weird (and not intended) bug. |
| 16:10:01 | pixelma | I just took the %s out there (so I'll get "pv" displayed) and it worls |
| 16:10:05 | pixelma | works too |
| 16:10:28 | pixelma | ah... I can imagine something |
| 16:10:36 | S_a_i_n_t | %s |
| 16:10:44 | S_a_i_n_t | the line you posted had no %s |
| 16:10:51 | S_a_i_n_t | +? |
| 16:10:59 | pixelma | "two % signs" |
| 16:11:15 | S_a_i_n_t | aha |
| 16:11:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Errr...the line you posted didn't have 2 %'s either. |
| 16:11:50 | S_a_i_n_t | %?pv<mute|%pv|line|+%pv> |
| 16:11:58 | pixelma | I guess it expexts a %pv|barbitmapsomethingparameters| because I use plain %pv and then the | follows (but belongs to the conditional actually) |
| 16:11:59 | * | S_a_i_n_t is confused... |
| 16:12:27 | pixelma | one each before the pv |
| 16:12:38 | pixelma | %?pv<mute|pv|line|pv> is what I used now to test |
| 16:13:20 | S_a_i_n_t | so, it's trying to nest conditional after the %pv? |
| 16:13:21 | JdGordon | crap |
| 16:13:26 | S_a_i_n_t | is that what you're saying? |
| 16:13:30 | pixelma | no |
| 16:13:57 | S_a_i_n_t | blargh...it doesn't work right. I know that much ;) |
| 16:14:02 | pixelma | it now expects a bar definition and doesn't realise that the | belongs to the conditional |
| 16:14:31 | S_a_i_n_t | try using two |'s? |
| 16:14:44 | JdGordon | no, that wont work |
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| 16:14:53 | S_a_i_n_t | just curious...I don;t really expect that to work |
| 16:14:54 | JdGordon | use a space after %pv |
| 16:15:01 | JdGordon | I'm thinking of a clean way to fix thigh |
| 16:15:03 | JdGordon | this |
| 16:15:06 | pixelma | yeah, that's what I prepared now |
| 16:15:26 | pixelma | the clean fix would have been another tag |
| 16:16:07 | pixelma | that works but it's a workaround for a bug |
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| 16:22:08 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r25664): Use a more natural guard for the callback definition |
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| 16:24:22 | * | pixelma suspects another "different conditional separators" discussion coming up though |
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| 16:40:33 | kugel | I think the conditional separator is fine. the way how parameters are specified for tags probably isn't though |
| 16:42:01 | kugel | the overuse of '|' is what makes WPSes hardly readable afterall IMO |
| 16:42:40 | * | kugel could imagine something like %V(x,y,...) instead |
| 16:42:46 | S_a_i_n_t | %Sx is a primes example of "when good |'s go bad" |
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| 16:43:17 | pixelma | I agree |
| 16:43:28 | pixelma | %pv is too now |
| 16:43:56 | pixelma | it also breaks things, not only looks bad |
| 16:44:00 | kugel | we could easily change it if we had a script to fix all themes on the theme site at the same time |
| 16:44:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Not that I have a better way of doing it though, I think it'd be equally odd to use "|" in X circumstance, but "," in Y |
| 16:44:19 | S_a_i_n_t | it's a tricky one. |
| 16:45:10 | kugel | well, if we'd change something then once for all, i.e. X would be only conditional lists and Y only parameters |
| 16:46:18 | kugel | I'd be all for breaking things if someone made a script to fix the themes on the theme site |
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| 16:49:21 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: Why fix them? Isn't it up to the author to keep them maintained? |
| 16:49:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Send out a mail, say "were changing this, if you still want your theme up...then change X and Y" |
| 16:49:57 | kugel | because we can |
| 16:50:41 | S_a_i_n_t | that isn't done currently if something gets broken though. |
| 16:50:53 | S_a_i_n_t | It just says "doesn;t work with "X" build" |
| 16:51:06 | kugel | right, but theoretically we have the ability |
| 16:51:30 | kugel | we don't do it yet because usually the changes don't break 100% of the themes but only a very small subset |
| 16:51:57 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: we can't really fix problems that are caused by the wps being technically incorrect in the first place and the parser getting more strict |
| 16:52:18 | gevaerts | and that's most of the breakage we've seen on the theme site so far |
| 16:52:20 | S_a_i_n_t | I think it's probably be easier to use the themesite to generate a list of "broken" themes, them put out a bulk email saying the theme needs attention if it is to continue to be hosted. |
| 16:53:16 | kugel | not necessarily. we can't send out emails upon breakage yet either p |
| 16:53:17 | kugel | :p* |
| 16:57:33 | kugel | gevaerts: I updated my pth branch, could you try it on your phone/shivaplug again? |
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| 17:01:25 | B4gder | scan-build should be very interesting to run on rockbox |
| 17:01:35 | B4gder | it's the clang static code analyzer |
| 17:01:54 | gevaerts | B4gder: I ran it once. IIRC it found three things |
| 17:02:17 | B4gder | really? |
| 17:02:33 | B4gder | it found 60+ on both libssh2 and curl and they are tiny in comparison... |
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| 17:03:02 | gevaerts | I suspect it got confused by our many defines |
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| 17:03:24 | B4gder | right, to be really good it'd have to run once for each target build... |
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| 17:20:02 | gevaerts | kugel: building now |
| 17:20:08 | kugel | cool |
| 17:20:25 | kugel | gevaerts: what OS does your shivaplug run? |
| 17:20:34 | gevaerts | debian stable |
| 17:20:41 | gevaerts | it |
| 17:20:48 | gevaerts | 's horribly slow for building though |
| 17:21:02 | kugel | do you think your cross compiled rockboxui would also run on my mini? |
| 17:21:33 | gevaerts | we could try |
| 17:21:56 | gevaerts | It's not cross compiled though |
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| 17:25:30 | kugel | ah, even better :p |
| 17:25:42 | gevaerts | it still segfaults on n900 |
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| 17:37:15 | PaulPosition | Hmmm, how does one go about removing stuff from the manuals? Like the e200-series manual includes a part about a 'plugin application alarm clock' which would have been interesting (since there's no cpu wake-up on sansas) but that plugin seemingly never made it into csv (hasn't been touched for years, either)... |
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| 17:42:46 | PaulPosition | Hold on.. well, it seems there's an other alarm plugin that made it in recently? By FunMan (Clement P.C.) but it isn't showing up on my e200.. Guess I'll re-download the vmware image and start poking through.. where would I look for assigning a plug in to a specific target? |
| 17:44:16 | n1s | apps/plugins/SOURCES apps/plugins/SUBDIRS |
| 17:44:30 | n1s | that one should be in for all though |
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| 17:46:45 | PaulPosition | thanks n1s I'll have some fun reading through, even though by the time I'm done it will probably have been already fixed since four or more builds.. ;) |
| 17:47:02 | PaulPosition | (or releases :o ) |
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| 17:50:34 | gevaerts | kugel: still doesn't work. I propose that if you don't get things running on your mini2440, we can have a look at devcon |
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| 17:54:48 | kugel | gevaerts: good idea |
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| 18:00:02 | dirtyfrank | My iPod keeps freezing up and ejecting itself when I'm transferring files. Does anyone know what's going on and how to fix it? |
| 18:00:35 | stripwax | not without much more information, I'm afraid. make/model/OS/version/rockbox version/ etc? |
| 18:01:01 | stripwax | um, probably don't need make, since that's Apple :) |
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| 18:02:21 | dirtyfrank | 5th gen/video formatted Win/using Mac OS/ Rockbox 3.5.1 |
| 18:02:44 | dirtyfrank | 80gb |
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| 18:03:12 | stripwax | dirtyfrank, which mac OS? If you haven't disabled the USB HID stuff, that can apparently caused problems, I understand, with some mac OS versions |
| 18:03:34 | dirtyfrank | Oh I didn't know that. |
| 18:04:23 | stripwax | i don't have an ipod (or rockbox manual) to hand, but it's something like rockbox settings -> usb -> hid -> disable |
| 18:04:29 | dirtyfrank | Is that on the player itself? |
| 18:04:32 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:05:44 | dirtyfrank | Set to "no" I assume? |
| 18:07:33 | dirtyfrank | Ok, I'll see if that helps. Thanks a lot. |
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| 18:09:42 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. searching out why the Sansa e200 has no plugin 'Alarm Clock'.. Seems apps/plugins/SOURCES loads it when "config_rtc" is defined.. now I know e200 has realtime clock, but where in the code are those things defined? I'm going all over the firmware and bootloader branches trying stuff right and left but... :p |
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| 18:16:00 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - alternatively, you could see if using a newer (or older) rockbox version helps - i.e. a current build (as opposed to a release build). but 3.5.1 ought to be stable and ought to work ok; unless you've discovered a new bug by chance |
| 18:16:17 | S_a_i_n_t | PaulPosition: "\firmware\export\config" |
| 18:18:36 | PaulPosition | thanks mate, but I just had the (newbish) feeling that, maybe, I'm stupid and let rbutil install release instead of current.. checking up on that (should have done that an hour ago lol).. |
| 18:18:43 | Torne | PaulPosition: the e200 does have the RTC enabled |
| 18:20:27 | S_a_i_n_t | going by its config, it has RTC, but not HAVE_RTC_ALARM |
| 18:20:55 | PaulPosition | Well, there it was. Plugin was fairly recently included and I stupidly installed 3.5.1 instead of current when using rbutil (I'm used to manually installing on my h10)... So, doh. |
| 18:20:58 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: yes, but that's not needed for the alarm clock plugin |
| 18:21:07 | PaulPosition | Saint - You're right, it doesn't have CPU wake-up capability :( |
| 18:21:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Thanks, good to know. |
| 18:21:44 | PaulPosition | Plugin needs it to stay on, but it's better than nothing. Thanks to FunMan (Clement) for it :) |
| 18:21:47 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: the plugin just keeps the player on until the given tim ethen starts playback :) |
| 18:22:37 | S_a_i_n_t | A little weird, but I guess if you can't wake the device it's your only option ;) |
| 18:22:47 | PaulPosition | I'll install the vmware image anyway, who knows I may some day attempt to fix something that actually *needs* fixed :p |
| 18:22:55 | gevaerts | PaulPosition: funman is another person :) |
| 18:23:00 | PaulPosition | oops. :p |
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| 18:32:41 | ollebe | Does anyone know why the datasheet for the Samsung SA58 SoC has been published online? There's a large watermark that says "CONFIDENTIAL" on every page... how illegal would it be to use it? |
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| 18:49:54 | n1s | ollebe: it is likely to be copyright to samsung and without their permission; copying it is of course not allowed; the confidential bit means nothing as long as you didn't sign an NDA (or work for samsung) :) |
| 18:50:12 | n1s | eh, IANAL of course |
| 18:50:33 | dirtyfrank | Is the person here that was helping me with my self-ejecting iPod? |
| 18:50:45 | ollebe | but let's say i just copy it to make browser cache, that'd make it legal then. :) |
| 18:50:46 | stripwax | me? |
| 18:50:50 | dirtyfrank | Yes. |
| 18:50:56 | stripwax | then yes :) |
| 18:51:03 | dirtyfrank | Turns out the USB HID didn't fix it. |
| 18:51:06 | stripwax | oh :( |
| 18:51:09 | ollebe | *to my browser cache |
| 18:51:18 | dirtyfrank | It lasted a little longer before it froze but it still froze. |
| 18:51:44 | n1s | ollebe: this is not a copyright law channel... |
| 18:51:47 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - and does it work fine using the original apple firmware for usb transfer, as opposed to using rockbox for usb transfer? |
| 18:52:25 | ollebe | n1s: true. |
| 18:53:56 | Torne | stripwax: he's on 3.5.1 so he is using the rom disk mode, presumably |
| 18:54:04 | stripwax | Torne ? |
| 18:54:30 | Torne | stripwax: well it won't be using our usb stack.. |
| 18:54:35 | stripwax | why not? |
| 18:54:43 | Torne | because usb is disabled in releases |
| 18:54:48 | Torne | well, mass storage is |
| 18:54:51 | stripwax | woah, since when? |
| 18:54:56 | Torne | since forever |
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| 18:55:12 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - is that right, you're using the original firmware for USB transfers? |
| 18:55:14 | saratoga | USB is just for the SVN builds on the 5G |
| 18:55:15 | Torne | release builds on ipod have always booted the rom disk mode |
| 18:55:16 | stripwax | Torne - crikey, I had no idea |
| 18:55:37 | Torne | because of the charging issue, and possible slow performance on some models |
| 18:57:02 | gevaerts | ah, right. I missed that too |
| 18:57:04 | dirtyfrank | Stripwax - it works with Apple firmware. |
| 18:57:47 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - but it doesn't work in Rockbox firmware? In which case you're not running the release build, but a daily/current build - is that correct? if so, which svn revision number / rockbox version number? |
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| 18:58:02 | dirtyfrank | No, I'm running the release build. |
| 18:58:14 | Torne | dirtyfrank: what exactly happens, on the ipod's screen,w hen you plug the usb cable in |
| 18:58:14 | S_a_i_n_t | then.....buh? |
| 18:58:16 | saratoga_ | then you don't get USB in rockbox |
| 18:58:17 | * | stripwax is now confused. Torne/sataroga - help |
| 18:58:36 | Torne | stripwax: the rom disk mode is not the same as booting the OF.. |
| 18:58:39 | dirtyfrank | I get the flashing "no" sign and "Do not disconnect" |
| 18:58:46 | saratoga_ | that would be Apple |
| 18:58:47 | Torne | the plain black and white screen? |
| 18:58:50 | dirtyfrank | yeah |
| 18:58:56 | Torne | That's the emergency disk mode from the original firmware |
| 18:59:00 | Torne | i.e. all apple's code |
| 18:59:04 | stripwax | is the flashing 'no' in red, or in black+white |
| 18:59:31 | dirtyfrank | Yeah, I've never seen anything different so I guessed maybe Rockbox didn't have a screen for that. |
| 18:59:37 | ollebe | i messed up an article on the wiki somehow. how to revert it to last revision? |
| 18:59:37 | dirtyfrank | it's in b/w |
| 18:59:38 | stripwax | if it's red (and quite big), it's the OF; if it's black+white (and quite small) it's the emergency disk mode. |
| 18:59:52 | dirtyfrank | It's emergency disk mode then. |
| 18:59:53 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - and the b/w one is the one that *doesn't* work? |
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| 19:00:04 | Torne | dirtyfrank: whta hapens when it stops working? |
| 19:00:05 | dirtyfrank | yes |
| 19:00:09 | Torne | does it change to "ok to disconnect"? |
| 19:00:14 | stripwax | that's really peculiar. it's just USB 1.1 I think, whereas the full Apple firmware is USB 2. |
| 19:00:15 | Torne | does it reboot back into rockbox automatically? |
| 19:00:19 | Torne | stripwax: no, it's not |
| 19:00:28 | dirtyfrank | It freezes and ejects (or loses connection really). |
| 19:00:29 | stripwax | ok. |
| 19:00:33 | stripwax | i'll shut up then :) |
| 19:00:34 | dirtyfrank | No, the screen just freezes. |
| 19:00:43 | Torne | stripwax: on ipodvideo the actual speed is comparable |
| 19:01:01 | Torne | dirtyfrank: well, then the apple firmware is crashing, unfortunately |
| 19:01:15 | Torne | dirtyfrank: i would suspect your hardware has an issue :) |
| 19:01:40 | dirtyfrank | torne: would that cause the apple firmware to crash too? |
| 19:01:48 | Torne | no idea. |
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| 19:02:11 | stripwax | hm, if emergency disk mode crashes, then maybe you need to run a checkdisk on your ipod |
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| 19:02:17 | S_a_i_n_t | The way dirtyfrank describes it though, it works in the OF, but not in RB...how can this be *possible* using a release build...? |
| 19:02:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I just don;t get that part. |
| 19:02:26 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: hm? why not? |
| 19:02:38 | Torne | rom disk mode is unrelated to any code running if you actually boot the OF |
| 19:02:53 | Torne | they are implemented totally separately.. |
| 19:03:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, that part I didn't know. |
| 19:03:09 | TexasRockbox | Are there any compile options to ensure that booting ipod 5.5G is quick via OSAS? |
| 19:03:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought disk mode was disk mode... |
| 19:03:17 | TexasRockbox | OSOS |
| 19:03:25 | Torne | TexasRockbox: 'ensure'? |
| 19:03:45 | Torne | are you having a problem with it? |
| 19:03:55 | dirtyfrank | I ran "verify disk" in Disk Utility and it was fine. |
| 19:04:08 | S_a_i_n_t | TexasRockbox: not "compile options" but there are advanced ipodpatcher install options |
| 19:04:36 | TexasRockbox | I tried a build with r25635 and it boots slowly, while a build with 3.5.1 boots quickly |
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| 19:05:06 | Torne | There are a vast number of htings which could be causing that ) |
| 19:05:10 | TexasRockbox | installed with command ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod |
| 19:05:33 | Torne | If you wrote rockbox to OSOS without the bootloader, then there's nothing else to do there, no. |
| 19:05:39 | Torne | are you using the same settings for both? |
| 19:05:52 | Torne | The default theme on ipod video has a very large font which loads slowly |
| 19:05:53 | TexasRockbox | with ipodpatcher? |
| 19:06:01 | Torne | no, the actual rockbox settings |
| 19:06:18 | Torne | What kind of difference are you talking about, also? |
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| 19:06:26 | Torne | and is it before or after the rockbox logo? |
| 19:06:37 | TexasRockbox | same config settings |
| 19:06:46 | TexasRockbox | after the rockbox logo |
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| 19:07:00 | dirtyfrank | I ran the automatic install, if that makes a difference. |
| 19:07:00 | Torne | so.. what is the time difference, and how are you timing it |
| 19:07:17 | TexasRockbox | It's almost as if dircache is being rebuilt with each boot (just a guess) |
| 19:07:28 | Torne | TexasRockbox: well, test :) |
| 19:07:33 | Torne | build with bootchart enabled |
| 19:07:42 | Torne | it will tell you exactly what took how long during boot |
| 19:07:46 | TexasRockbox | By eye, r25635 boots in about 15 sec 3.5.1 boots in about 3 sec |
| 19:07:46 | gevaerts | dirtyfrank: have you checked the filesystem? |
| 19:07:52 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 19:07:53 | Torne | 3 seconds from what? |
| 19:07:55 | * | gevaerts reads backlog |
| 19:08:04 | Torne | from pressing the button, or the logo appearing, or what? |
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| 19:08:11 | TexasRockbox | initial keypress to start |
| 19:08:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Bless you for making bootchart (it was you, wasn't it?) ;) |
| 19:08:17 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: yes |
| 19:08:20 | Torne | and thanks :) |
| 19:08:26 | S_a_i_n_t | Good job, well needed. |
| 19:08:34 | Torne | TexasRockbox: do you use cabbiev2? |
| 19:08:39 | TexasRockbox | I can build with boot chart |
| 19:08:57 | TexasRockbox | no, same custom WPS in both builds |
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| 19:09:09 | Torne | how big is your font |
| 19:09:15 | Torne | is it more than 60000 bytes ) |
| 19:09:37 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: finding the exact revision where it got slower would be helpful |
| 19:09:46 | Torne | doing a bootchart first would be good ) |
| 19:09:52 | Torne | see which thing is taking the time |
| 19:09:54 | TexasRockbox | 38kb Adobe-Helvetica-Bold |
| 19:10:06 | TexasRockbox | font size 16 |
| 19:10:07 | Torne | not font loading then , probably |
| 19:10:18 | dirtyfrank | torne: I'm just going through the settings now...would "idle poweroff" have an influence when it's plugged in? |
| 19:10:35 | Torne | dirtyfrank: no. *none* of rockbox is running when it's in rom disk mode |
| 19:10:40 | Torne | dirtyfrank: none of our settings are relevant |
| 19:11:09 | TexasRockbox | So, compile with bootchart then and try? |
| 19:11:32 | Torne | TexasRockbox: yesah, b uild with bootchart, then go to debug and dump logf to a file |
| 19:11:39 | Torne | pastebin the log somewhere |
| 19:11:52 | dirtyfrank | torne: when I plug it in, I get the apple, then it goes to emergency mode |
| 19:11:56 | TexasRockbox | OK, thanks −− off to build |
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| 19:12:16 | Torne | dirtyfrank: yes. that's normal in release uilds. rockbox has exited, only apple's code is running. rockbox boots up from scratch again after you are done. |
| 19:12:28 | Torne | so rockbox settings are irrelevant. |
| 19:12:48 | dirtyfrank | Ok. |
| 19:13:08 | Torne | what version of the apple firmware is isntalled/ |
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| 19:14:14 | dirtyfrank | Not sure the number, but it's the latest one. I just restored it yesterday. |
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| 19:14:44 | Torne | dirtyfrank: then i'm not sure what you can do.. |
| 19:14:54 | TexasRockbox | Oops, didn't find anything on a search or a forum search about bootchart. How to enable? |
| 19:15:19 | Torne | it's an advanced optino in configure |
| 19:15:32 | Torne | is your build modified at all? |
| 19:16:21 | TexasRockbox | yes it has the 240 GB changes and rockbox USB disabled |
| 19:16:37 | Torne | you shouldn't need any changes to use a large drive any more |
| 19:16:43 | Torne | I have implemented a better solution :) |
| 19:16:59 | TexasRockbox | I saw that! |
| 19:17:09 | Torne | you don't need to change the code any more. |
| 19:17:12 | Torne | it should just work |
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| 19:17:46 | TexasRockbox | OK but what about bootchart? What to add? |
| 19:18:00 | Torne | it's an advanced option, when configuring the build |
| 19:18:04 | Torne | you dont' have to touch the code for that either |
| 19:18:28 | | Join M3DLG [0] (~M3DLG@212.183.140.37) |
| 19:18:29 | Torne | hit 'a' for advanced, then 'c' for bootchart, when you're in configure |
| 19:19:02 | dirtyfrank | torne: ok, thanks for the help |
| 19:19:15 | TexasRockbox | OK, thank you I'll do it. Back in a few minutes |
| 19:19:19 | Torne | dirtyfrank: i would guess the disk has a problem,you may need to run a more thorough disk check |
| 19:19:32 | Torne | you should probably look at the smart data in the diagnostic mode too |
| 19:19:48 | dirtyfrank | in disk utility? |
| 19:19:56 | Torne | no, on the ipod |
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| 19:20:46 | Torne | dirtyfrank: hold select+rewind when you turn the ipod on |
| 19:21:18 | Torne | i don't have my ipod handy though, iirc the disk info is under "IO" |
| 19:23:14 | dirtyfrank | I never knew that was on an iPod...is it Apple? |
| 19:23:20 | dirtyfrank | Or is that on Rockbox? |
| 19:23:22 | S_a_i_n_t | yes |
| 19:23:26 | S_a_i_n_t | Apple |
| 19:23:26 | stripwax | apple |
| 19:23:41 | dirtyfrank | I got a green screen that says "Completed" |
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| 19:24:07 | Torne | no, not the auto test |
| 19:25:14 | S_a_i_n_t | that's the 5 in 1 (or whatever) IIRC, you want the disk section, which I believe is IO |
| 19:26:18 | dirtyfrank | Ok, smart data...retracts:23, reallocs:0, pending sectors:0, poweron hours:893, start/stops:8780 |
| 19:26:28 | Torne | that's ok |
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| 19:26:54 | Torne | so.. yeah. |
| 19:26:58 | Torne | dunno i'm afraid |
| 19:27:12 | Torne | you could try a current build of rockbox, which will use our own usb code |
| 19:27:14 | stripwax | tried a different usb cable? |
| 19:27:57 | dirtyfrank | I don't have one. |
| 19:28:54 | dirtyfrank | I'll try the current build. |
| 19:29:37 | Torne | note that charging doesn't work properly in rockbox though |
| 19:29:45 | Torne | you may find yoru battery doesn't charge or even runs down while connected |
| 19:30:05 | dirtyfrank | so I have to hold the center button when I connect? |
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| 19:30:14 | Buschel_ | especially when trasnferring files from/to hard drive |
| 19:30:16 | Torne | no, charging doesn't work properly while in rockbox *at all* |
| 19:30:20 | Buschel_ | *transferring |
| 19:30:24 | dirtyfrank | oh |
| 19:30:26 | Torne | doesn't matter whether you hold the center button or not |
| 19:31:09 | Torne | accessing hte hard drive to transfer files uses quite a lot of power, but it's only drawing a limited amoutn from the computer, so it discharges still |
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| 19:31:24 | dirtyfrank | So I may be stuck with Apple's firmware? |
| 19:31:27 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: with the current build (unless you have an iPod Nano), its better to charge when using the Apple side. |
| 19:31:47 | S_a_i_n_t | it's easy to switch between Apple/Rockbox |
| 19:31:53 | S_a_i_n_t | A lot of people do it. |
| 19:31:54 | Torne | dirtyfrank: this is why we disable our usb mode in releases :0 |
| 19:32:03 | dirtyfrank | Well it doesn't boot into Rockbox when it's connected anyway...I get the emergency Apple screen. |
| 19:32:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *facepalm* |
| 19:32:25 | dirtyfrank | uh oh, was that at me? |
| 19:32:57 | S_a_i_n_t | It will only do that with the release build, with the current build, it won't. |
| 19:33:42 | dirtyfrank | Ok...here's a dumb one...how do I install the current build? |
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| 19:34:26 | NensiKate | hello guys, i need help :) i search Rechargeable Battery - LG523450A1, but i'm from Russia.. And know English VERY bed)) Can anybody help me? |
| 19:34:32 | dirtyfrank | I don't know why but I keep losing the chat |
| 19:34:33 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - download the zip from the current builds page on rockbox.org |
| 19:34:33 | S_a_i_n_t | What did you use to install the build that's on there now? |
| 19:34:46 | S_a_i_n_t | You can use either rbutil, or install it manually. |
| 19:34:50 | dirtyfrank | I used the installer that downloaded with automatic install |
| 19:35:09 | stripwax | NensiKate- I'm not sure I understand what that has to do with Rockbox |
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| 19:35:28 | Torne | dirtyfrank: rockbox utili can install the current build as well |
| 19:35:55 | dirtyfrank | Ah, I found it. |
| 19:36:19 | stripwax | NensiKate- have you tried google? |
| 19:36:39 | NensiKate | yes, lol |
| 19:37:03 | NensiKate | but i Russia i cann't find batary |
| 19:37:04 | stripwax | NensiKate- how is this Rechargable Battery related to Rockbox? |
| 19:37:40 | dirtyfrank | torne: got it installed...do I have to change settings or anything, or just see if it doesn't eject? |
| 19:37:57 | Torne | just try it |
| 19:38:05 | Torne | it will stay in rockbox when you connect the cable, displaying our USB icon |
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| 19:38:11 | NensiKate | I have seen a site, have found there the battery, and the reference on IRC |
| 19:38:34 | stripwax | NensiKate - which site? |
| 19:38:46 | dirtyfrank | So far, so good. |
| 19:38:57 | stripwax | NensiKate - which webpage |
| 19:39:44 | NensiKate | I thought here there are people who have the equipment - the battery. But I was mistaken. Excuse ... |
| 19:39:47 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - so just wondering, did you try booting into the apple OF, and then rebooting (menu+select) and going straight into apple emergency disk mode *without* going via rockbox first? that ought to totally rule out anything rockbox is/could be doing |
| 19:40:06 | stripwax | NensiKate - no, we don't sell batteries |
| 19:40:31 | dirtyfrank | stripwax: no I haven't.I will now. |
| 19:40:35 | stripwax | cool |
| 19:40:37 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: PS menu+select to reboot select+play for disk mode ;) |
| 19:40:45 | stripwax | yep, sorry |
| 19:41:18 | NensiKate | very sad... |
| 19:41:26 | NensiKate | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IaudioM3HardwareComponents - site |
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| 19:41:50 | dirtyfrank | while it's plugged in? |
| 19:41:58 | TexasRockbox | It appears the battery is for a iAudio/Cowon M3 but a Google search shows only very old webpages (most in Japanese) |
| 19:42:11 | stripwax | NensiKate - that page describes the IaudioM3 , but we don't sell any parts, we develop software.. sorry. |
| 19:42:12 | NensiKate | I understood that there тольок the description |
| 19:42:45 | NensiKate | ok, i see) Sorry, guys |
| 19:43:07 | NensiKate | thanks |
| 19:43:10 | NensiKate | ^) |
| 19:43:15 | TexasRockbox | Contact Cowon |
| 19:44:01 | TexasRockbox | here: http://www.cowonglobal.com/ |
| 19:44:44 | NensiKate | ok, thank you |
| 19:45:15 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: No, it won't work right if its plugged in. What you'd have to do is, boot into the Apple firmware, then hard reset using menu+select, then hold down select+play immediately to get into disk mode. |
| 19:45:16 | TexasRockbox | You're welcome "POCIBA!" |
| 19:45:56 | S_a_i_n_t | If it "USB transfer) works without failing in that case...then, well, then I won't know what the hecks going on. |
| 19:45:57 | NensiKate | lol))) |
| 19:46:16 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: if it works if you boot it from the rom, that is relevant :) |
| 19:46:31 | NensiKate | i'll be back |
| 19:46:35 | NensiKate | ^_^ |
| 19:46:56 | dirtyfrank | everytime I boot into Apple firmware it asks me to set a language preference |
| 19:47:02 | TexasRockbox | Best wishes in finding the battery |
| 19:47:05 | S_a_i_n_t | then set it ;) |
| 19:47:09 | Torne | have you been deleting the iPod_Control folder? |
| 19:47:15 | Torne | that erases the original firmware's settings. |
| 19:47:21 | dirtyfrank | No. |
| 19:47:35 | dirtyfrank | Ok. I got to disk mode |
| 19:47:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Sometimes you need to let it sit for a minute or so, otherwise the OF won't keep the settings |
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| 19:47:44 | dirtyfrank | it says "OK to disconnect" |
| 19:47:55 | dirtyfrank | but it's not connected |
| 19:47:57 | S_a_i_n_t | A quick fox to force it to do so is to transfer a file while in the OF |
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| 19:48:27 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: that's ok. |
| 19:48:29 | gevaerts | You can of course have the OF reboot cleanly, but that's a bit tricky |
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| 19:48:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Now, plug her in, and see if you can do transfers... |
| 19:49:25 | S_a_i_n_t | lol...a quick fox. Ahen, "a quick fix" |
| 19:49:29 | dirtyfrank | I was in disk mode before when it was self-ejecting. |
| 19:50:09 | S_a_i_n_t | remember the two types of disk mode being discussed? |
| 19:50:28 | dirtyfrank | Yes, I'm in emergency disk mode now. |
| 19:51:16 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - right, but you got there without going via rockbox. if it still doesn't work / keeps ejecting, it pretty much rules out any rockbox effects. |
| 19:51:24 | S_a_i_n_t | How long would it have normally taken to do this "auto-eject" thing you described? |
| 19:51:28 | dirtyfrank | Oh right. |
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| 19:51:41 | dirtyfrank | Depends. Anywhere from a few minutes to maybe 10. |
| 19:51:54 | dirtyfrank | Last time it was almost immediate. |
| 19:52:01 | S_a_i_n_t | well, patience my son ;) |
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| 19:52:18 | dirtyfrank | Ok. I'll watch it and see. |
| 19:52:19 | Blue_Dude | S_a_i_n_t: Any luck reproducing the hotkey Nano bug in the sim? |
| 19:53:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Blue_Dude: None at all...it only seems to happen on the device :'( |
| 19:53:18 | stripwax | is there a *tiny* chance that (assuming this works, and emergency-disk-mode-via-rockbox-usb does not work) this could have been caused by / related to the rockbox shutdown issue ? |
| 19:53:37 | stripwax | (and that maybe the iram-zeroing-on-exit thing could possibly fix this also?) |
| 19:53:47 | * | stripwax waits for dirtyfrank's test to finish in any case... |
| 19:53:53 | Blue_Dude | S_a_i_n_t: Rats. I was hoping for a lead on that. |
| 19:53:59 | Torne | stripwax: shouldn't be, the shutdown thing doesn't activate on reboot |
| 19:54:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Same..it annoys me. |
| 19:54:17 | stripwax | Torne - oh, hm. maybe it should ... ? |
| 19:54:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Not because I use it, nut because I now know it *should* work differently ;) |
| 19:54:27 | Torne | stripwax: no, why would it? |
| 19:54:42 | S_a_i_n_t | *not |
| 19:54:49 | Torne | stripwax: we put particular things in iram on reboot to get to disk mode. |
| 19:55:04 | stripwax | ah. do we zero the rest of iram? |
| 19:55:10 | Torne | n o. |
| 19:55:21 | stripwax | maybe there's some other peculiar things left around that affect it .. ? |
| 19:55:46 | Torne | stripwax: someoen would've noticed by now, no? |
| 19:55:54 | Blue_Dude | S_a_i_n_t: just for a check, try to change the keymap on the hotkey to a single keypress (long or short doesn't matter), anything other than a combo. I was wondering if maybe the combo causes problems because it goes right into the yes/no screen. Long shot. |
| 19:55:56 | stripwax | let's wait for the test results |
| 19:56:33 | dirtyfrank | 500MB transfered without incident |
| 19:56:38 | stripwax | interesting |
| 19:57:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Blue_Dude: I'll ask around at intervals I guess and see if any other targets present this problem. I'm not sure how many people a: are aware of/use Hotkeys and b: are aware of/or actually do set another value to the hotkey to change its function instead of resetting it and setting it again. |
| 19:57:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Its likely I'm the only one that's noticed it. |
| 19:57:33 | Blue_Dude | ok. It's certainly worth asking. |
| 19:58:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Sweet, I'll keep you posted if/when I find something. |
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| 19:58:37 | Blue_Dude | I'm irritated because I can't reproduce it on my target. One difference is the key is mapped to a combo. And the different processor. |
| 19:59:34 | S_a_i_n_t | it took a while to get used to pressing select+play at *exactly* the same time...let me tell you ;) |
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| 20:00:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm used to key combos being press blah, then blab with blah still held down. |
| 20:00:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Not press blah+blah at precisely the same instance ;) |
| 20:00:34 | dirtyfrank | 1.5GB |
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| 20:01:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Ooops, Blue_Dude ^ |
| 20:02:11 | Blue_Dude | S_a_i_n_t: remap the key to select|menu + select instead of select|menu + none. Or maybe press menu first. Which is easier? |
| 20:02:20 | dirtyfrank | finished 1.85 gb without a problem |
| 20:03:02 | S_a_i_n_t | the keymaps are a mystery to me... |
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| 20:03:32 | Blue_Dude | Well if you have to press the combo, you naturally tend to press one slightly before the other. Which do you press first more naturally? |
| 20:04:17 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - was 1.85GB possible (ever, even once) before, if you started from rockbox and connected usb from there? |
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| 20:04:47 | dirtyfrank | I set it to go last night with maybe 25gb and it stopped sometime in the night. |
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| 20:05:03 | dirtyfrank | I'd say it got through more than 1.85GB before it quit. |
| 20:05:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Blue_Dude: It would be "X" then select (that fees more natural to me) |
| 20:05:25 | S_a_i_n_t | as in hold X, then press Y |
| 20:05:34 | stripwax | can you try a bigger test, in that case? |
| 20:05:39 | Blue_Dude | Actually, it's select+play isn't it? OK, lemme change that real quick. Hold play then select... |
| 20:05:51 | dirtyfrank | Yes. How big do you think? |
| 20:05:56 | stripwax | 25? |
| 20:06:12 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, it is select plus play...I had to think of a combo key I was used to though ;) |
| 20:06:15 | dirtyfrank | Is it possible I'll just have to boot OF > disk mode to transfer? |
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| 20:07:08 | TexasRockbox | New build with bootcheck. Here's the log: http://www.4shared.com/document/JqD5cx_S/logf.html |
| 20:07:35 | CIA-5 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r25665): Fix hotkey keymap on ipods |
| 20:07:38 | dirtyfrank | stripwax: ok, I have it going with 20GB |
| 20:08:12 | Blue_Dude | OK, try that. |
| 20:08:28 | Blue_Dude | It probably won't fix anything but it'll make it easier to hit. |
| 20:08:48 | TexasRockbox | This is booting with the default config and the Cabbie V2 theme |
| 20:09:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Blue_Dude: Sweet, that was quick...it will definitely make it easier. But not sure if it'll fix whatever problem this is. Thanks. |
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| 20:09:46 | Blue_Dude | Keymaps are super easy to change. The hard part is figuring out what to change them to. |
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| 20:11:37 | dirtyfrank | stripwax: this is going to take hours...should I just come back later? |
| 20:11:57 | stripwax | I think so |
| 20:12:12 | stripwax | feel free to hang around though, in case there's some interesting chat :) |
| 20:12:13 | dirtyfrank | ok, I'll be back in a while |
| 20:12:16 | stripwax | ok |
| 20:12:19 | dirtyfrank | heh |
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| 20:19:19 | dirtyfrank | stripwax: we have failure |
| 20:20:19 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: that's actually *really* bad I guess...as it means that its Apple at fault, so, nothing that can be fixed here. :( |
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| 20:20:47 | dirtyfrank | or I can just do it in 500MB increments |
| 20:20:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, not Apple at *fault*, but, the fault lies on the Apple side of things. |
| 20:21:21 | dirtyfrank | On the plus side, it didn't freeze, just ejected itself. |
| 20:21:56 | gevaerts | maybe a bad disk? |
| 20:22:21 | dirtyfrank | No, everything checked out okay. |
| 20:22:55 | S_a_i_n_t | what have you used to check the disk? Just the iPod diagnostics? |
| 20:23:05 | dirtyfrank | And disk utility |
| 20:23:43 | S_a_i_n_t | And you said you recently restored it, yes? |
| 20:24:00 | dirtyfrank | last night |
| 20:24:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Well...shrug. |
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| 20:25:09 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - well, despite this being #rockbox, what would happen if you restored it via itunes, and then *not* install rockbox, and then attempted to transfer files onto it, via existing emergency disk mode |
| 20:25:36 | dirtyfrank | Actually, I'm trying that now but with rockbox still installed. |
| 20:25:43 | S_a_i_n_t | stripwax: Didn't we just find that out? |
| 20:25:57 | dirtyfrank | Wait, no...I'm transferring via NONemergency disk mode. |
| 20:26:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Apple side doesn;t know that RB is installed. |
| 20:26:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Blargh!?! I'm confused again... |
| 20:26:42 | stripwax | S_a_i_n_t - yeah, I'm assuming that too. But if it just doesn't work after a full restore, with no rockbox bootloader or anything, then it's one for Apple. |
| 20:27:02 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - huh? yeah, i'm confused too. so neither emergency disk mode nor nonemergency disk mode work properly? |
| 20:27:11 | TexasRockbox | @torne: Anything standout wrong in the boot? |
| 20:28:16 | dirtyfrank | just emergency doesn't work for sure. |
| 20:28:40 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: Did I not make it clear enough how to get into emergency disk mode? If I didn;t, please speak up. |
| 20:28:44 | dirtyfrank | Previously if I connected it with rockbox booted, it went into emergency disk mode. |
| 20:29:21 | dirtyfrank | What we've tried so far: |
| 20:29:28 | dirtyfrank | booting OF > emergency disk mode |
| 20:29:36 | dirtyfrank | booting rockbox > emergency disk mode |
| 20:29:54 | dirtyfrank | booting rockbox >rockbox usb mode |
| 20:30:03 | dirtyfrank | none of those have worked. |
| 20:30:13 | dirtyfrank | rockbox usb mode just crashed |
| 20:30:21 | dirtyfrank | the other 2 self ejected |
| 20:30:23 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - oh, when you say "NONemergency disk mode", you mean the rockbox usb mode |
| 20:30:30 | stripwax | rather than the OF non emergency disk mode? |
| 20:30:33 | dirtyfrank | no, OF disk mode |
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| 20:30:47 | stripwax | ok, just I didn't see that in your list just now |
| 20:31:03 | dirtyfrank | that's what I'm trying now...I haven't tried it before |
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| 20:31:23 | stripwax | and it doesn't work? |
| 20:31:26 | S_a_i_n_t | Wait...what?!? you said you *had* tried it. |
| 20:31:29 | dirtyfrank | so far so good |
| 20:31:30 | S_a_i_n_t | And that it worked. |
| 20:31:33 | stripwax | yeah |
| 20:31:41 | dirtyfrank | No. So far nothing has worked. |
| 20:31:58 | S_a_i_n_t | You said it worked in the OF, I'm *sure* you did. |
| 20:32:04 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - what did "we have failure" refer to? the OF non-emergency disk mode? |
| 20:32:22 | stripwax | yeah, I'm certain when this started, you said it worked ok if you didn't use rockbox to start the usb emergency disk mode ... |
| 20:32:43 | dirtyfrank | Yes. |
| 20:32:53 | dirtyfrank | and no |
| 20:32:57 | * | stripwax boggles |
| 20:33:02 | dirtyfrank | yes to the first question...no to the last statement |
| 20:33:14 | stripwax | ok |
| 20:33:14 | dirtyfrank | wait...I'm confused now. |
| 20:33:18 | stripwax | hah! |
| 20:33:36 | dirtyfrank | we have failure referred to OF emergency disk mode |
| 20:33:48 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - you said "I am referring to NONemergency disk mode" |
| 20:33:58 | * | gevaerts proposes to make a nice list of things that fail and things that don't |
| 20:34:06 | stripwax | would be good |
| 20:34:19 | dirtyfrank | Things that failed: |
| 20:34:26 | dirtyfrank | OF > emergency disk mode |
| 20:34:34 | dirtyfrank | rockbox > emergency disk mode |
| 20:34:49 | S_a_i_n_t | [04:57] <dirtyfrank> Stripwax - it works with Apple firmware. |
| 20:34:50 | dirtyfrank | rockbox > rockbox usb mode |
| 20:35:06 | S_a_i_n_t | there...you said it worked, you could have saved us some time. |
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| 20:35:20 | dirtyfrank | s_a_i_n_t: that was without rockbox installed |
| 20:35:36 | stripwax | dirtyfrank - and transferring more than about 1.85GB? |
| 20:35:38 | dirtyfrank | sorry, I thought that's what you were asking |
| 20:35:55 | dirtyfrank | I don't know the tranfer limit |
| 20:35:58 | dirtyfrank | *transfer |
| 20:36:13 | dirtyfrank | Like I said before, it failed once almost immediately. |
| 20:36:51 | TexasRockbox | How does one read the logf dump from bootcheck build? How to spot if some process is taking too long? |
| 20:38:06 | S_a_i_n_t | wait, without rockbox installed? Huh? Then we get back to "unless your using a current build (which you weren't) it uses the Apple disk mode, and as such, Rockbox is irrelevant here" |
| 20:38:17 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: put it on a pastebin |
| 20:38:23 | S_a_i_n_t | Is it possible you just never noticed it fail before now? |
| 20:38:39 | dirtyfrank | No. I am sure I've never seen it fail. |
| 20:38:39 | TexasRockbox | I'm sorry... pastebin? |
| 20:39:00 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: have a look at sites like pastebin.com, it will be pretty obvious :) |
| 20:39:16 | Luca_S | gevaerts: he already posted that at http://www.4shared.com/document/JqD5cx_S/logf.html |
| 20:40:08 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: Well, the fact that rockbox is instaled is irrelevant. It's using Apple code when its failing, as well as apparently failing when using the current build. |
| 20:40:24 | S_a_i_n_t | So, I'd be turning my attention to your OS if I were you. |
| 20:40:42 | gevaerts | ah, right. I must have missed that. |
| 20:41:01 | TexasRockbox | like this: http://pastebin.com/VX0VqdSi |
| 20:41:06 | dirtyfrank | What do you think is up with my OS? |
| 20:41:16 | TexasRockbox | I think I did it right.... |
| 20:41:37 | Torne | TexasRockbox: you are loading a font larger than 60KB |
| 20:41:43 | Torne | not the one you mentioend |
| 20:41:49 | Torne | 15-Adobe-Helvetica |
| 20:41:56 | S_a_i_n_t | I don;t know...but its failing on transfers using both the Apple Disk Mode, Emergency Disk Mode, and Rockbox USB...so, my guess is "something" |
| 20:42:03 | Torne | this is takign 6.5 seconds |
| 20:42:20 | Torne | TexasRockbox: switch to a different font that's udner 60kb and you should find it boots ~6 seconds faster :) |
| 20:42:21 | saratoga | what are the two numbers in that chart? |
| 20:42:24 | S_a_i_n_t | That is of course, assuming your failing results are accurate, which I have no reason to doubt. |
| 20:42:32 | Torne | saratoga: first is the line number, second is the tick count |
| 20:42:43 | TexasRockbox | Hmmm.. I wonder how it's being loaded? |
| 20:42:57 | Torne | TexasRockbox: hm? how do you mean? |
| 20:43:00 | saratoga | how long is a tick? |
| 20:43:05 | saratoga | 1/100 of a second? |
| 20:43:13 | Torne | saratoga: 100th B[Byes |
| 20:43:25 | Torne | oops |
| 20:43:29 | Torne | yes :) |
| 20:43:38 | TexasRockbox | ah, cabbie v2 loads it |
| 20:43:43 | Torne | yes |
| 20:43:46 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11168 |
| 20:43:51 | Torne | i did say this when you asked ;) |
| 20:44:08 | Torne | this si the bug i raised for it. loading large fonts appears to be spectacularly slow on ipod video for no adequately explainde reason |
| 20:44:19 | Torne | it's slower on all targets, by not by such a large factor |
| 20:44:39 | Torne | so your configuration isn't identical, i assume then? |
| 20:44:51 | Torne | because this font loading problem is not new, it's always been this slow |
| 20:45:08 | TexasRockbox | OK, I was using my own theme but with the new build just installed the default which installed the Adobe font |
| 20:45:16 | dirtyfrank | s_a_i_n_t: I have about 7GB transferring now...I'll see how it goes. |
| 20:45:22 | TexasRockbox | I'll change fonts and see what happens |
| 20:45:23 | Torne | yes, so your configuration isn't the same :) |
| 20:45:54 | S_a_i_n_t | dirtyfrank: Using what? Disk Mode/Emergency Disk Mode/Rockbox USB? |
| 20:46:02 | dirtyfrank | disk mode |
| 20:46:57 | TexasRockbox | with my own theme I was using Adobe-Helvitica-Bold (14, 16, 18) does that imply that the Adobe Helvetica is used as well? |
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| 20:47:37 | Torne | TexasRockbox: er, i don't undertand what you mean |
| 20:48:24 | Torne | cabbiev2 uses 14-adobe-helvetica which is over the limit for the fast loading methd |
| 20:48:28 | Torne | the bold versions are smaller |
| 20:48:50 | Torne | so if you change the theme to one tha tuses a font that's not such a big file it will boot faster gagain :0 |
| 20:49:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I always wondered about that...are the bold versions smaller simply because they have less chars? |
| 20:49:32 | Torne | yes |
| 20:49:45 | Torne | the 14pt version of the regular helvetica has loads of characters in it |
| 20:49:52 | Torne | most of our other fonts don't |
| 20:50:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha. In my head bold == larger file. |
| 20:50:31 | Torne | well the individual characters are probably bigger, yes ;) |
| 20:50:59 | TexasRockbox | OK, I was using 16-Adobe-Helvetica-Bold and was still having the problem |
| 20:51:14 | Torne | how big is it? |
| 20:51:26 | Torne | if the file is over 60000 bytes it will take that long, even if it's just a little bit over |
| 20:51:36 | Torne | if it's under that, it should be ~30 times faster |
| 20:52:35 | TexasRockbox | I wasn't having the problem with Cabbie v.2 with 3.5.1 so the problem must have been introduced after that build (multifonts maybe) |
| 20:52:54 | Torne | unfortunately i think you are wrong.. |
| 20:53:05 | Torne | I went back to 3.0 and it still takes 6 seconds |
| 20:53:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, that was actually proven... |
| 20:53:16 | Torne | and the code has *always* done the font load in a very inefficient and crazy way |
| 20:53:26 | Torne | it does ~1000 seeks or more to load the font ;) |
| 20:53:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, by Torne in fact. Which prompted the bootchart |
| 20:53:56 | gevaerts | 16-Adobe-Helvetica-Bold should be fine. It's 38K or so |
| 20:54:05 | TexasRockbox | OK, I must be mistaken then. What does the logf dump show? How is it read? |
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| 20:54:42 | Torne | the last number on each row is the time in 100ths of a second |
| 20:54:50 | Torne | (the other num ebr is just the line number) |
| 20:55:06 | TexasRockbox | OK thank you |
| 20:55:08 | Torne | you can see the two references to font_load, with > for entry and < for exit, show that the time between is 6.5 seconds |
| 20:55:26 | Torne | you can load it into any spreadsheet that understands CSV (comma sepaarated values) |
| 20:55:34 | Torne | and do a graph of the first and third column :) |
| 20:55:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Ohhhhhh *fancy* |
| 20:56:29 | Torne | there's a script in the source also to feet it to gnuplot |
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| 20:57:08 | TexasRockbox | Ok, I'll go back to my original build and see what happens (and make sure of the font). Would loading multiple fonts cause an issue? |
| 20:57:29 | Torne | i have no idea |
| 20:57:38 | Torne | it won't load them at the same *point*, though |
| 20:57:41 | TexasRockbox | That is, must the total of loaded fonts be less than 60K |
| 20:57:45 | Torne | the initial call to font_load is just for the user font |
| 20:57:57 | Torne | no, skin fonts are loaded into the skin buffer and the availab le space there is even less |
| 20:58:00 | Torne | i'm not sure what the limit is |
| 20:58:05 | Torne | 60KB is just for the main user font |
| 20:58:06 | gevaerts | 10K I think |
| 20:58:30 | S_a_i_n_t | the limit for fonts in multifont is == available skin buffer |
| 20:58:42 | gevaerts | different limit |
| 20:58:47 | S_a_i_n_t | each font takes 10K |
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| 21:01:54 | Torne | TexasRockbox: each font load will show up in the chart |
| 21:01:57 | Torne | the first one is the user font, the others will happen from inside he theme loading function |
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| 21:04:01 | TexasRockbox | OK, i'm reloading my theme into the rockbox and will generate a logf from that theme |
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| 21:06:47 | adnyxo | hello |
| 21:06:58 | adnyxo | i need some help installing rockbox on my sansa clip |
| 21:07:07 | adnyxo | i am aware that it is not officially supported |
| 21:07:21 | adnyxo | but i was hoping someone might help |
| 21:07:43 | adnyxo | im following these instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
| 21:08:14 | FlynDice | adnyxo: what problem are you having? |
| 21:08:41 | adnyxo | when i try to run ./mkamsboot |
| 21:08:47 | adnyxo | it tells me permission denied |
| 21:08:50 | adnyxo | although i am root |
| 21:08:59 | adnyxo | (ubuntu 9.10 64 bit) |
| 21:09:03 | FlynDice | why are you root? |
| 21:09:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 21:10:17 | adnyxo | because when i wasnt it said the same thing |
| 21:10:26 | adnyxo | so i tried being root |
| 21:10:31 | gevaerts | is it executable? |
| 21:10:57 | FlynDice | I'm running the karmic 64 also and do not have that problem... |
| 21:11:12 | FlynDice | or is 9.1 lucent? |
| 21:11:28 | adnyxo | lucent? |
| 21:11:34 | adnyxo | gevaerts, im not sure |
| 21:13:24 | adnyxo | how do i tell |
| 21:13:33 | FlynDice | adnyxo: did you make mkamsboot in /media/WDPassport/rockbox/rbutil/mkamsboot? |
| 21:13:53 | adnyxo | no |
| 21:14:08 | FlynDice | er lucid..... lucid lynx is next I think |
| 21:14:19 | adnyxo | ah |
| 21:14:28 | adnyxo | idk about the code names |
| 21:14:34 | adnyxo | easier to remember the numbers |
| 21:15:46 | FlynDice | clip1 ir clipv2? |
| 21:15:51 | adnyxo | v1 |
| 21:16:10 | FlynDice | ah, so did you download mkamsboot then? |
| 21:16:27 | adnyxo | yes, from the link on the wiki |
| 21:16:56 | FlynDice | well I've never done it that way so lemmee take a look |
| 21:17:17 | gevaerts | you probably need chmod +x then |
| 21:17:58 | adnyxo | chmod +x mkamsboot ? |
| 21:19:09 | TexasRockbox | Is the %Fl parameter allowed in the .SBS screen |
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| 21:20:25 | adnyxo | gevaerts, that worked |
| 21:20:29 | adnyxo | thank you |
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| 21:25:26 | TexasRockbox | New logf dump (called logf2) at: http://www.4shared.com/document/iQGeQiYg/logf2.html |
| 21:25:52 | FlynDice | adnyxo: Yes in fact I do get that problem also if i download mkamsboot from the link. It works with +x now though correct? |
| 21:26:01 | adnyxo | yes it does |
| 21:26:16 | adnyxo | now on to the other 7 clips |
| 21:26:23 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: please use a pastebin. That site makes it hard to download things |
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| 21:28:53 | TexasRockbox | Will do, my apologies |
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| 21:29:50 | TexasRockbox | here it is: http://pastebin.com/3HgbDRQ3 |
| 21:30:34 | Blue_Dude | Anybody here messed with DMA playback much? |
| 21:30:36 | TexasRockbox | There appear to be loooong lags at the end... |
| 21:31:05 | gevaerts | that does indeed look like font loading could be the issue. Which WPS/SBS fonts do you load? |
| 21:31:48 | TexasRockbox | Adobe-Helvetica-Bold (14, 16, 18) |
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| 21:32:20 | TexasRockbox | Three fonts, one in the config, one in the .SBS, two in the .WPS |
| 21:32:32 | S_a_i_n_t | TexasRockbox> Is the %Fl parameter allowed in the .SBS screen == yes |
| 21:32:32 | TexasRockbox | Uh, make that four |
| 21:32:55 | gevaerts | I suspect there's not much you can do about it apart from fixing the core issue or loading really small fonts |
| 21:33:21 | S_a_i_n_t | the identifers can also point to a different font in the WPS/SBS |
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| 21:33:34 | TexasRockbox | OK do we think that loading multiple fonts is the issue (that is, total size greater than 60k)? |
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| 21:33:51 | S_a_i_n_t | so font "a" can be a different font in the sbs, than in the wps |
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| 21:34:29 | S_a_i_n_t | TexasRockbox: fonts loaded additionally by a WPS/SBS use the skin buffer |
| 21:34:41 | S_a_i_n_t | and, don;t have a "limit" as such |
| 21:35:22 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: for "extra" fonts, i.e. the ones you specify in the wps or the sbs, I think the limit is 10k, not 60k |
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| 21:35:52 | S_a_i_n_t | well, they do..but that "limit" is your available skin buffer. |
| 21:36:08 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: irrelevant |
| 21:36:14 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: 10K is what each font takes. |
| 21:36:29 | S_a_i_n_t | many fonts can be loaded, at 10K each IIUC |
| 21:36:32 | gevaerts | The skin buffer limit means that it either loads or it doesn't. It doesn't have any impact on how fast it loads |
| 21:38:51 | gevaerts | The 10K limit means that really tiny fonts (there are some!) load fast, but most fonts load slowly on ipod video |
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| 21:38:55 | ThomasAH | just running 'svn up && cd rbutil/mkamsboot && make' yields binary which accepts this week's OF update, but when running it shows "mkamsboot Version r25340-100326" (i.e. the time of the previous compile in the same directory) |
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| 21:39:42 | ThomasAH | 'make clean && make' fixes this, but maybe someone has an idea how to update the revision number automatically |
| 21:40:31 | * | domonoky urges all rockbox mentors here to come to #rockbox-gsoc !! |
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| 21:41:44 | TexasRockbox | I'm experimenting −− will update shortly |
| 21:41:52 | bieber | I'm here to discuss my GSOC task, whenever you're all ready |
| 21:42:53 | domonoky | bieber: good, we will call you when we are ready for you :-) |
| 21:43:05 | bieber | Okay |
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| 21:51:24 | TexasRockbox | interesting. I removed the %Fl from the SBS and it appeared to load quickly. When the WPS was loaded that seemed to take forever |
| 21:51:48 | TexasRockbox | looking at the logf it appears the fonts were read quickly but the WPS had a long delay |
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| 21:52:44 | Torne | no, font_load in teh chart is *only* the UI font |
| 21:52:48 | TexasRockbox | How does one make the size of .fnt files smaller |
| 21:52:55 | Torne | the WPS/SBS load is when it's loading the fonts for those |
| 21:53:04 | TexasRockbox | OK |
| 21:53:16 | Torne | TexasRockbox: edit the original bitmap fonts before converting them |
| 21:53:25 | gevaerts | TexasRockbox: if you make your own builds, it's probably easier to just increas various limits |
| 21:55:13 | TexasRockbox | Is 10K the total limit or each font limit for %FI within the SBS/WPS? |
| 21:55:30 | gevaerts | each font |
| 21:55:36 | Torne | each font has to e under 10KB to load fast |
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| 21:56:15 | TexasRockbox | OK, thank you! Is the limit 10K for any particular reason? |
| 21:56:41 | Torne | the bigger it is the more space it will take in the skin buffer for each font |
| 21:57:32 | gevaerts | it's a fixed allocation, in theory we have efficient caching if not everything is loaded, and wps fonts are expected to not have many glyphs in use |
| 21:57:49 | TexasRockbox | Thank you to everyone. I think I know what to do now. Have a great day! |
| 21:57:55 | gevaerts | It's the "in theory" bit that causes some problems |
| 21:58:43 | TexasRockbox | I'll either make smaller file size fonts or experiment with other smaller fonts |
| 21:59:13 | Torne | i should add the font_load calls in the theme engine as chart [oints really |
| 21:59:31 | saratoga | anyone feel liking joining the gsoc interviews |
| 21:59:59 | TexasRockbox | There aren't many fonts less than 10K in the font package |
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| 22:00:38 | Torne | no, there aren't :) |
| 22:01:09 | Torne | the caching system is supposed to be efficient. but it's not :) |
| 22:01:30 | TexasRockbox | Oh well, I'll make it all work, thank you again! |
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| 22:02:48 | TexasRockbox | Bye everyone. I love Rockbox, it is a lot of fun to use. |
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| 22:11:17 | emrecelikten | saratoga: Where are the interviews? |
| 22:11:45 | kramer3d | :o |
| 22:12:25 | gevaerts | emrecelikten: they're in a dedicated channel |
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| 22:14:36 | pixelma | emrecelikten: yours is tomorrow I believe, no? |
| 22:14:53 | emrecelikten | Yes, 16:00 UTC |
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| 22:19:06 | TexasRockbox | Thank you again to everyone, the 10K font size was the problem. Just tested it. |
| 22:19:34 | TexasRockbox | I'll update my forum post |
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| 22:23:22 | emrecelikten | pixelma: How long will the interview be? |
| 22:23:29 | gevaerts | emrecelikten: up to one hour |
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| 23:09:33 | nicknamedave | I just installed Rockbox last night, so I have some relatively newbie questions. |
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| 23:10:05 | nicknamedave | How do I create a shuffle with all of the songs I have on my iPod? And if I put more songs on there, do they automatically get added to the shuffle playlist? |
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| 23:12:34 | nicknamedave | Also: How do I put files from my computer directly onto the Rockbox part of my iPod, and not the normal iPod part? Can I just drag them over in iTunes like normally, or is there something I am completely missing? |
| 23:14:35 | gevaerts | Just put them on the disk |
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| 23:14:52 | gevaerts | or use itunes |
| 23:14:57 | soap | nicknamedave, Last question first. There is no "rockbox part" of the ipod in the sense you are using it. Your iPod (for sake of this argument) is a generic HDD. Put files wherever you want and browse to them from within Rockbox. IF you move files via iTunes they will be obscured in the Apple hidden file structure. |
| 23:15:04 | * | domonoky recommends nicknamedave to read the manual :-) |
| 23:15:39 | soap | And, yes, the first part also has multiple answers and even a casual searching of the pdf manual will give you the answers you seek for that question. |
| 23:16:35 | nicknamedave | The first time I started Rockbox, I had to transfer the songs from the iPod part to the Rockbox part. I wouldn't have to do that if I just put the songs on from iTunes? Oh, and I checked the manual about the shuffle thing. Tried doing what the manual said, but the playlist would never save for me. And I'm still not sure whether or not when new songs are put on, they're added to the playlist or not. |
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| 23:18:14 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - there's no way to create an automatically-updating playlist of all the songs on your device; but after adding songs you could always just add them yourself to the current playlist. |
| 23:18:24 | stripwax_ | or use the Database feature, and select All Tracks |
| 23:18:37 | stripwax_ | (and set your Database to automatically Update) |
| 23:19:15 | stripwax_ | it still won't update your playlist, but you can just go to the Database and select All Tracks again |
| 23:19:47 | nicknamedave | So I seleted All Tracks, and where do I go from here to create a Shuffle playlist? |
| 23:20:14 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - but I'm not sure what you mean when you said 'the first time I started rockbox, I had to transfer the songs from the ipod part to the rockbox part'. If you already had songs on your ipod, then rockbox already knows about them |
| 23:20:23 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - set Shuffle mode |
| 23:20:55 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - sorry, specifically: long-press on All Tracks, and play them from there |
| 23:21:03 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - now read the manual :) |
| 23:21:21 | nicknamedave | When I long press on All Tracks, the only options I see are "Insert" and "Insert Shuffle". I assume the latter? |
| 23:21:32 | soap | that is one way |
| 23:22:05 | soap | As the manual explains - "Insert Shuffle" creates a static playlist with all the tracks added to it in random order. |
| 23:22:36 | soap | Another way is to create a static playlist with all the track in "normal" order and then enable the shuffle setting under playback. |
| 23:22:41 | nicknamedave | So now that created a playlist with all the songs on it, right? How do I save this playlist? I checked the manual and (presumably) followed the directions, but it never worked for me. |
| 23:22:59 | gevaerts | do you need to? |
| 23:23:04 | nicknamedave | Does statis mean it'll forever be in this same random order? |
| 23:23:08 | stripwax_ | yep |
| 23:23:34 | nicknamedave | Hmm, that's no good. Let me guess, if I want shuffle, I should just play a song, and then turn shuffle on? |
| 23:24:45 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - you could turn Shuffle on (even if no tracks are playing). |
| 23:25:19 | nicknamedave | Is there a quick way to turn it off, or do I have to go through options anytime; like is there a way to put it as a mode on the main menu? |
| 23:25:47 | stripwax_ | from the while playing screen, you can long-hold select |
| 23:25:59 | nicknamedave | Ahh, gotcha, thanks |
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| 23:26:12 | stripwax_ | all this, and more, is in the manual. that's your next task :) |
| 23:26:15 | Torne | it's also on the quickscreen |
| 23:26:29 | nicknamedave | Quickscreen? I guess I should see the manual for that... |
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| 23:30:18 | nicknamedave | Is there anyway to remove search options from the Database? |
| 23:30:25 | nicknamedave | Or rather, categories? |
| 23:31:17 | Llorean | You can edit the tagnavi files to display (or not display) any of the options, or new ones even. |
| 23:31:40 | nicknamedave | Tagnavi? |
| 23:31:50 | stripwax_ | manual |
| 23:32:03 | nicknamedave | I ctrl + F'ed tagnavi and got nothing |
| 23:32:09 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase |
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| 23:32:43 | stripwax_ | nicknamedave - hrm, that's bad! we should add something to the manual in that case! |
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