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#rockbox log for 2010-04-20

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00:09:56rogier_want to install rockbox on fuse v2. Can i just use the rockbox utility?
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00:13:36rogier_to install the bootloader
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00:28:02saratogalabrogier_: no, you'll need to follow the directions on the SansaAMS wiki page
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00:30:17ollebewhy is ata.c defining hardcoded things that don't apply to this target?
00:30:27ollebeisn't that pretty wrong?
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00:32:07ollebeATA_STATUS is not the same as ATA_COMMAND
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01:40:05webguest14JoeHi.My name is Joe and this is my first time on here so please forgive me if I'm doing anything wrong in the way I'm posting this.I did read the directions and think I'm OK. I'm totally blind and use a screen reader called Jaws that reads what's on screen using a voice engine called elequence. I'm thinking of buying the Sandisk Sansa E200and would like to install rockbox with voice to make the player blind accessible.Would it be possible to do the au
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01:41:47saratogalabwebguest14Joe: your message got cut off right after "Would it be possible to do the"
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01:58:10webguest01JoeOk now to finish my query. Is it possible to install rockbox usiong a screen reader on the sansa E200player? i'm totally blind. Thanks, Joe.
01:58:40webguest01JoeOk now to finish my query. Is it possible to install rockbox usiong a screen reader on the sansa E200player? i'm totally blind. Thanks, Joe.
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03:53:58LloreanJdGordon: What's your point in that forum thread?
03:54:09LloreanWhat does it being in addition to the old mode have to do with my point at all?
03:55:06LloreanIn fact, were it not in addition to the old mode, but were instead a replacement for it, my suggestion that it could be considered bloat would be invalid, so it's pretty clear I understood it's an addition or I would've instead been mentioning the loss of functionality instead.
03:55:21LloreanDid you possible quote the wrong line?
03:59:08JdGordonI quoted what I wanted... you seemed to think that I was replacing the current way to do sublines, which I said was NOT going to happen
04:00:16JdGordonand this is further proof that you just cant handle any change
04:00:32JdGordonthere shouldnt be a discussion on this at all, my question was would anyone find it useful
04:00:40JdGordonnothing more
04:03:44LloreanWhere did I even *remotely* suggest it would be replacing anything?
04:04:27LloreanI specifically said *an increasing number of ways to do the same thing*
04:04:27JdGordonIt seems odd to argue for adding *mandatory* bloat so as to cut back on *optional* bloat.
04:04:31LloreanYou aren't *increasing* if you remove one to add one
04:04:38LloreanYes *adding*
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04:04:55JdGordonnothing is mandatory
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04:05:08LloreanUhm, if it comes with the build and makes the build bigger, it's mandatory if you want to install rockbox
04:05:34LloreanWhat's wrong with trying to fix the existing tag (or making your tag have different times, so it can replace the old one)
04:05:39JdGordonoh FFS... get over it. the oatch might add 200bytes.
04:05:45LloreanMy point is wholly - why do we need two halfway tags, instead of one tag that does the whole job?
04:06:21LloreanWhat's the point in adding a whole new tag so that now we have *two* tags that both don't do everything and can't even be combined to do everything reliably.
04:07:39JdGordonI disgree with your premise that both are halfway done
04:07:45LloreanBoth solve half the problem
04:07:58LloreanOne lets you set individual times but has the flaw (stated at least) that it can't clear images.
04:08:01JdGordonwhat problem?
04:08:03LloreanThe other can clear images, but doesn't let you set times.
04:08:28JdGordonso maybe... just MAYBE... themers will use the one they feel works better for them!
04:08:29LloreanWith neither tag (or combination thereof) can you have clearing images with variable times.
04:08:37LloreanWhy not have one tag that does both?
04:09:24LloreanThen it's both more powerful, and requires less variance in themes because you don't have two partial implementations of an idea, and themes possibly containing different tags to do fundamentally the same thing when they don't need one of those features.
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04:14:36ollebewhen i define that my target has STORAGE_ATA, ata.c is compiled, even though it seems slightly incompatible with the samsung SoC
04:15:19ollebei don't know if i should attempt to port ata.c or just make a new driver altogether
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04:33:45JdGordonLlorean: this isnt about images..
04:34:09LloreanJdGordon: You're the one who brought up images as the new functionality it added.
04:36:22JdGordonyes, but only as a reason to why it is different to %t
04:36:33JdGordonhardly the only reason to add it
04:37:14LloreanWell, it seems silly to start adding tags duplicating existing functionality. There should, if at all possible, be a single definitive way to accomplish any single specific thing.
04:37:49LloreanOtherwise you basically open up the doors for a lot of "well I think this syntax is better for this, so we should just have both" for any tag.
04:38:15LloreanAt the very least, an effort should be made to combine the two (since it offers more functionality that way) rather than having them side by side.
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05:37:08suckmypianisthey i just got rockbox for the first time on my ipog video 5g and when i try to play doom it says plugin returned an error... any solutions?
05:37:48saratogalabrandom guess: you don't have any doom wads on your ipod
05:37:57saratogalabi think the doom wiki page explains how to fix it
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05:39:37suckmypianistwell surprise surprise right after i said that i wen tto the extras page and found the things for doom...
05:40:06suckmypianistoh also i was wondering if any one knew of some other good games to put on rockbox.
05:41:03saratogalabthey're pretty much all included
05:43:05suckmypianistwell i saw that you can get halflife on rockbox, they just didnt say how
05:43:31LloreanThat's just a Doom WAD with some halflife inspired graphics
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05:45:27Strife89|PalmTXThe only games that aren't included are Game Boy ROMs and Pac-Man ROM images.
05:45:48Strife89|PalmTXAnd we legally can't tell you where to get 'em.
05:46:01LloreanAnd additional Doom WADs, and Chip8 games and so on.
05:46:41Strife89|PalmTXWe could include the Freedoom WAD.
05:46:55Strife89|PalmTX... I think.
05:48:35suckmypianistwell i know how to get the gb roms , i hacked my wii and would play some gb games on it xP
05:53:20LloreanStrife89|PalmTX: The freedoom wad is available on the extras page, I think
05:54:19Strife89|PalmTXSince Rockbox Utility installs the base WAD in a full install, should it get the Freedoom WAD as well?
05:55:15Strife89|PalmTX(Currently it doesn't AFAIK.)
05:57:49LloreanFor people not wanting to use Doom, it wastes an awful lot of space.
05:57:54LloreanEspecially on smaller capacity players.
05:58:38Strife89|PalmTX1/3 of my average Rockbox installation is Doom WADs.
05:59:06Strife89|PalmTXNothing to sneeze at.
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06:12:27Mike457Anybody use uses Rockbox with an iPod Nano 1st gen: have you ever had the problem of running the battery too low? my computer can't even go into charge mode because the "battery empty" screen comes up right away
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06:12:44Mike457so now i can't charge the thing
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06:41:41linuxstbMike457: I would turn the hold switch on (so it will boot into the Apple firmware when it gets enough power) and just leave it plugged in. You can also try resetting it (hold MENU+SELECT together for up to 30 seconds)
06:53:13saratogalabit seems like we could up the low battery voltage a little and avoid this, or is there something else going on here?
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06:59:19linuxstbsaratogalab: Possibly something else - if holding menu+select fixed it. Although Torne should have fixed that a few months ago.
06:59:20Mike458hi there thanks for the responses
06:59:43Mike458so i have tried with the hold immediately shut messages or nothing
06:59:52Mike458and I have resetted it a hundred times
07:00:05Mike458the brief second it is on is i think the only time it charges
07:00:22Mike458so i am doing this repeatedly hoping i can get enough of a charge to go to the normal charge mode
07:00:31saratogalabincreasing the low voltage shut off 50mV would have almost no impact on battery life, so maybe its worthwhile if we really do discharge the battery too much
07:00:53Mike458and menu+select briefly (and I say briefly) computer detected it for a second...then it went away
07:01:07Mike458saratogalab: i have experienced this issue only once before
07:01:19Mike458and i *think* this is how i fixed it
07:01:34Mike458though i'm sure plenty of other people have run their nanos dry and not had this problem before
07:01:44saratogalabif you just leave it plugged in for a while it'll charge up enough to boot
07:01:52saratogalabthe problem is the apple firmware is stupid
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07:02:09Mike458i think you're right
07:02:30Mike458currently the apple logo is on display longer cycling to shut down on and off
07:02:46Mike458i don't want to disturb the equilibrium...though still not detected by my comp
07:03:50Mike458i think as long as it is on in some form it is charging
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07:04:39Mike457damn wireless
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07:08:53chaos-squirrelHi all, is there anyone in here that can edit the rockbox wiki?
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07:13:31pixelmaa few. Why?
07:14:09pixelmaJdGordon: will I be ignored until I report in the tracker that %pv| is not fixed yet?
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07:16:40chaos-squirreli just noticed that both the links on the ArmInstructions page are dead. the first one should now (I think) point to
07:17:13chaos-squirrelbut I didn't think I should join the wiki because I don't have time to be a regular contributer.
07:18:06chaos-squirrel(and I couldn't find the second one on the ARM page)
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07:39:57Buschelwow. building under vmware on windows is _really_ fast compared to cygwin
07:40:05Buschel2-3x faster
07:40:39Buschelcould not bring the manual to build though
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07:46:51pixelmado you have all the packages (there were some dependencies added later, e.g. unicode and the xcolor package
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07:50:38BuschelI am new to debian... So, I just added latex-usc like mentioned in the wiki. There is some more to do I guess?
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09:08:31JdGordonpixelma: only if you want to be?
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09:18:05CIA-5New commit by jdgordon (r25684): really fix "%pv|something else" this time
09:20:45hobbsso it's probably not the tiniest bit like the code jhMikeS was going to write, but I got the most basic of boosting happening on the gigabeat-s, on a "because I could" basis :)
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09:36:40klaksI try to start write my own firmware for stmp3550
09:36:54klakssorry for my english
09:37:45klakscan somebody help me a bit?
09:38:24B4gderdo you have any docs on that chip?
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09:38:40B4gderand this is #rockbox, it is specifically about putting Rockbox on devices
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09:40:02klaksyes, i know. but rockbox developers have an expirience with stmp35xx, as I know
09:40:28B4gderI don't think so
09:40:55B4gderagain, do you have docs for it?
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09:42:50klaksyes, i have some docs - schematics of player, datasheet. the difficulty is that there no debug interface in player
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09:43:12B4gder"the" diffifulty?
09:43:21B4gderso you have a compiler for the DSP?
09:43:27pixelmaJdGordon: (1) I'll try the new fix in the evening (2) about the forum thread - bloat is not only about binsize, also about code complexity and two tags doing basically the same is an added potential bug source. I thought you asked because you were in doubt yourself? Now you closed the thread and I won't get answers to my seriously curious question which I took time to write down, seems you don't have an answer yourself. It's very weird that you
09:43:27pixelma close threads because you don't like the answers (it wasn't even my main point but your post needed an answer IMO)
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09:44:25JdGordonthe new tag is cleaner behind-the-scenes than the current so that argument is wrong also
09:44:50klaksyes, compiler g56k with assembler, linker. dsp56004
09:45:13gevaertsJdGordon: so sublines will be deprecated to be removed later?
09:45:45JdGordonthat would be nice, but no, that is and never was my intention
09:45:57JdGordonthis was entirely just to make life a bit easier for *themers*
09:46:22pixelmaand why did you not bother to write that down in your answer (and explain how)?
09:46:27JdGordonand I see no question in your last post
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09:47:25JdGordonbecause I may be an arogant bastard but I dont think I need to explain my code choices to the forum.. especially when the point was to ask if this would be useful
09:47:29B4gderklaks: well, *that* is the major difficulty for our project I believe as we're not aware of any open and free compiler for the chip so it's a dead end for us
09:47:52B4gderklaks: we normally never have any debug interfaces
09:47:59pixelmaI asked for examples how this will be improve readability
09:48:21pixelmaJdGordon: yes, I pointed out that I don't see its usability
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09:48:51pixelmamaybe your code choice would have convinced me otherwise
09:49:30gevaertsJdGordon: asking if a change is useful and then locking the thread when some people question its usefulness does look a bit strange
09:52:22JdGordonLloreans posts were not about the usefulness of it at all, pixelmas annoyed me by starting on that tangent also, I didnt read that one properly
09:52:31JdGordonand if I had a proper example of why it is better I wouldnt be asking if people thought it would be useful, would I?
09:53:06gevaertsno, you'd commit without considering anyone else's opinion
09:53:40pixelmaI justed "started" on that because of your post
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09:54:31klaksB4gder: i found compiler for dsp56004 on site and the owner of the site have done some projects on this chip. I wrote to him, but he doesn't answer still.
09:54:46pixelmaJdGordon: maybe others could come up with one?
09:54:51pixelmaan example I mean
09:55:22JdGordonhonestly I dont care anymore, its on the tracker if someone wants it
09:55:25B4gderklaks: we need properly open and free, not pirated software found somewhere - which I just guess that is
09:55:36*JdGordon was only trying to be helpful to themers
09:55:45JdGordonI know that gets frowned on....
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09:57:29*gevaerts doesn
09:58:32gevaertst mind being helpful to themers, but he has the impression that every other week someone thinks of a new tag which is then implemented and committed in a few hours, without any trace of a long-term plan or thinking about consequences, and he does mind that
10:00:28pixelmanot if it's a useful thing
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10:00:32JdGordonevery other week is a slight exaguration don't you think?
10:00:40JdGordonand nothing is planned, anywhere
10:00:44klaksB4gder: it's a port of gnu c compiler to that architecture. not pirate.
10:00:54B4gderwhoa, cool
10:01:54B4gderbut still, such an esoteric architecture is going to be hard to work on
10:02:26*B4gder is old enough to remember the Rockbox calmrisc16 port
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10:04:18B4gderklaks: is our general approach for all new ports
10:05:12klaksB4gder: may be :) if it's hard to work with, but it will be a good lesson in system programming
10:05:56B4gderit will be a good lession in reverse engineering DSP code, fixing gcc bugs and how to work alone for a year ;-)
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10:06:18B4gderbut yes, challenging!
10:07:06pixelmaJdGordon: I also get the impression as gevaerts and %pv| is an example where plans a little bit ahead (or at least give it more testing) would have been useful. "Nothing is planned" sounds just wrong
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10:12:33klaksB4gder: so I come to channel to ask if anyone work with this chip. Think majority of rockbox developers work with highlevel functions and api of rockbox
10:13:08B4gderklaks: all info we have on that chip is in our wiki
10:13:28B4gderand yes, most people work on higher level code and that's where the biggest parts of the code are
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10:16:05CIA-5New commit by tomers (r25686): Brickmania: No need to init these global variables, as they are set later on
10:18:53klaksB4gder: ok, I understand. but maybe you know someone who ports rockbox to devices? not only to stmp35xx, but to any chips
10:19:07B4gderyes, we are here
10:19:51wodzklaks: I am porting rockbox to MPIO HD200 (its coldfire based target)
10:20:40B4gderklaks: people come and go over time and people are in different time zones, but this is the main place where all rockbox hackers hang out, be it porting to new devices or working on app layer code
10:22:10klaksB4gder: thanx a lot for you ansers :)
10:23:06B4gderwelcome to the wonderful world of rockbox! ;-)
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10:27:09wodzhmm. If I select something in main menu ui hangs for a few seconds. But if I select something do manual brake in debugger and artificially call lcd_update() I get what should be displayed.
10:27:55wodzsomething is not calling lcd_update() properly
10:29:34Zagor"Copyright(C) SigmaTel, Inc. 2000-2003. No llamas were harmed in the making of this product."
10:30:07klakswodz: hi! may be you read last messages. I faced with difficulties in helloworld project on stmp3550
10:30:32hobbsZagor: that's a pity. Whipping a llama's ass is a fine tradition.
10:30:34B4gderZagor: it makes you wonder which kind of animals they did harm! ;-)
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10:32:00wodzklaks: I gatherd a bit experience with porting to rockbox but I am not an expert by no means. I didn't touched DSPs either. But feel free to ask
10:33:18CIA-5New commit by tomers (r25687): Brickmania: Fix flip delay was actually N+1 seconds (11 instead of 10)
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10:38:05wodzkugel: ping
10:38:17kugelwodz: pong
10:38:46wodzkugel: do You have few minutes to help me in tracing where threads are blocked?
10:38:55CIA-5New commit by tomers (r25688): Yet another try at fixing "FS #10959 - Brickmania - Ball disappears"
10:38:58kugelyes, a few
10:43:20wodzthis is the dump of threads[] array from my target
10:43:52wodzIt is in state where I selected some item in main menu and it hangs for few seconds there.
10:44:05klakswodz: thanx! it's hard to explain because of specific chip. I thy to launch helloworld project, that in main function drive GPIO to 1. But when I flash player it seems to be dead
10:45:02wodzklaks: are You 100% sure Your code is picked up?
10:45:32wodzklaks: how do You flash Your code into device?
10:45:57kugelwodz: what is the running one?
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10:46:49wodzkugel: that is the mistery - seems like everything is blocked/sleeping
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10:47:12kugelwodz: what does cores[0].running say?
10:47:26wodzkugel: wait a second
10:48:02klakswodz: compiler says no errors. code is small (write to 3 registers). I rename compiled file to and use common flasher for that player. flasher works, because I can restore firmware
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10:48:51kugelwodz: what would probably useful is to add a breakpoint in switch_thread(), thread switches always happen in that function you might find the thread that doesn't call that for a long time
10:49:55wodzklaks: Do You know startup seqence for device?
10:50:11kugelwodz: heh, that shouldn't be NULL
10:50:40wodzkugel: That was my impression :-)
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10:51:44wodzklaks: I don't know if this is the case but usually You have to write some startup code
10:52:11kugelwodz: I would recommend a breakpoint in switch_thread() as well as a watch point for cores[0].running to see when it's set to 0
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10:53:13wodzkugel: but I guess switch_thread() will be called very often
10:53:57kugelsupposedly yes, but appearently one thread is stalling and bugging everything up so that's your only chance I think
10:54:34wodzis cores[] array global or local?
10:55:39kugelwodz: maybe only a breakpoint in line 2076 ("cores[core].running = thread;") with the condition "thread == NULL"
10:56:41klakswodz: there is ROM, which loads to RAM bootmanager from NAND flash and then bootmanager loads other firmware to RAM. I'll search for a startup code in examples
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11:08:23CIA-5New commit by tomers (r25690): Brickmania: Fix bogus fires
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11:11:14wodzkugel: hb /home/wodz/rockbox-git/firmware/thread.c:2076 if thread==0 doesn't fire
11:11:34wodzthis is the line with cores[core].running = thread
11:12:01wodzhmm or null is represented not by 0
11:12:12kugelit is
11:13:15kugelis there another place where core[].running is modified?
11:13:27kugelmaybe try a watchpoint instead
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11:14:11kugelor only watch, whatever it's called
11:15:26wodzshit watch ignores conditionals
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11:18:13wodzok I found the situation where core[0].running is set to NULL
11:18:48kugelwodz: interesting, the cores[] dump you posted has 0x1000639c as timeout (and running as NULL). that's actually the address of a thread_entry
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11:21:24kugelwodz: it looks like something is foobar somewhere as it sets cores[].timeout to a thread, instead of cores[].running
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11:24:34wodzthis is more or less repeating pattern
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11:31:23wodzkugel: do You have idea how to track this further?
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11:35:07kugelwodz: you need to find out why cores[].timeout is assigned to a thread pointer
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11:37:06kugelah, nevermind, timeout is supposed to be thread pointer
11:37:54kugelwodz: your paste shows that between the 2nd and 3rd running is set to NULL
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11:40:19kugeladd_to_list_l/remove_from_list_l often deals with thread::bqp which is NULL for your power thread it seems
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11:42:21kugelbqp should not be null, it's a linked list to other threads
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11:43:33kugelmake a break for add_to_list_l and look NULL is passed
11:45:04kugel*bqp can be NULL, not not bqp itself
11:45:20wodzYou mean null passed as a param for add_to_list_l?
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11:50:13kugelthe only place I can find where bqp is set is: current->bqp = &thread->queue; in thread_wait()
11:50:22wodzI don't see such situation
11:50:40wodzI mean passing NULL to add_list_l
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11:51:16kugelI assume thread_id_entry(thread_id) in thread_wait() returns NULL for the id passed which would be an invalid one
11:51:29wodzbut it is also hard to take some action with this brakepoint set
11:51:49kugelyou can make it conditional :)
11:52:37kugelmy suspicion is now that something tries to thread_wait() a non-existant thread from within the power thread
11:54:35wodzconditional adds huge speed penelty
11:57:10wodzthis are my portions of code related to the power
11:57:25wodzit is rather trivial
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12:15:54wodzkugel: I guess Your 'a few minutes' have passed :-)
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12:17:59kugelwodz: no not yet :)
12:18:46kugelI see the problem is that bqp is NULL where in thread.c that leads to cores[0].running being set to NULL as well
12:18:55kugelyou need to track down why bqp is NULL
12:19:04b0hoonhi, i have a problem, probably after my last commits the manuals on the main page don't want to compile, but i've checked it locally and everything is ok locally on my pc, it compiled for 5 random targets...
12:20:24b0hooni don't know what is going on, is there any log or something for the manuals?
12:20:49wodzkugel: bqp is set independently for each thread?
12:21:00kugelI think so
12:21:15wodzthis makes watching rather difficult
12:21:33kugelkernel.c messes a lot with bqp
12:22:17wodzif I breake somehow when bqp is set to NULL I may take backtrace
12:22:27kugelwodz: is it possible that a kernel object (event_queue, mutex, semaphore, wakeup) isn't initialied properly?
12:22:53wodzhow can this happen?
12:23:59wodzisn't kernel_init() responsible for all of this?
12:24:02jhMikeSkugel: what's up? bqp, being the blocking queue pointer, should be irrelevent if the thread isn't blocked (w-tmo).
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12:24:51kugelwodz: no, you need initialize the kernel objects before using them (you can have multiple mutexes, etc)
12:24:57pamaurygevaerts: are you there ?
12:26:13wodzkugel: I used other coldfire targets as a template and I didn't see such things there
12:27:02webguest20could someone help me here? I am trying to install rockbox on an ipod 5.5 generation with 240gb hard (modified) is that possible?
12:27:55wodzwebguest20: I guess it should. What version of rockbox are You installing?
12:28:20webguest201.2.6 I think
12:28:25jhMikeSkugel: (reminder) I wrote all this junk that's causing you problems now :P
12:28:42wodzwebguest20: and please describe what difficulty You have
12:29:03kugeljhMikeS: I know, we're trying to track down a pretty severe performance problem on wodz' mpio
12:29:04webguest20it does not recognize my ipod
12:29:44kugeljhMikeS: and something with the threads goes wrong on his device
12:29:47wodzwebguest20: what does not recognize Yor ipod? iTunes, PC, rbutil ?
12:30:11webguest20I also tried manually the patcher does not recognize my ipod
12:30:39jhMikeSkugel: said it was coldfire?
12:30:52webguest20itune and pc do recognize the rbutil does not
12:31:19wodzjhMikeS: Yes it is coldfire
12:31:54wodzwebguest20: I think the person You should ask is Torne than
12:32:50Torneipodpatcher should see it
12:32:56Tornehave you formatted it properly?
12:33:00Tornedoes the apple firmware boot?
12:33:15Torneyou will need to use the bootloader from my thread on the forums, you realise
12:33:23webguest20yes the apple firmware boots the ipod works fine
12:33:29kugeljhMikeS: his pastes show that cores[].running is set to NULL at some point
12:33:57jhMikeSkugel: it will be null if all threads are blocked or sleeping
12:34:11jhMikeSin that case, it should be sleeping
12:34:27Tornewebguest20: what OS are you running it on?
12:34:38jhMikeScore_sleep, sleep_core, whichever it's called (can't recall :)
12:34:41webguest20i am very new here could you tell me where do I get the software?
12:34:47webguest20win xp
12:34:54kugeljhMikeS: both exist, unfortunately :p
12:35:14webguest20win xp service pack 3
12:35:34jhMikeSkugel: hehe...perhaps a rename is in order of one
12:35:55kugeljhMikeS: wodz needs to wait several seconds to go from one menu to another, it's possible that all threads sleep/are blocked during that time but it shouldn't happen
12:35:56Tornewebguest20: and you're running it as a user with administrator permissions?
12:36:48kugeljhMikeS: am I right that bqp shouldn't be NULL, only *bqp?
12:37:14Tornewell, i'm not sure then..
12:37:20jhMikeSkugel: it shouldn't matter unless the thread is STATE_BLOCK or STATE_BLOCKED_W_TMO
12:37:36Tornecan you copy and paste the output of ipod patcher to ?
12:37:48webguest20if you can help me in anyway I would apreciate it
12:37:48kugelthreads are often in one of that states
12:37:54jhMikeSkugel: so, only if it is queued to be woken, such as waiting on a mutex, sem or queue
12:38:26webguest20I'll try right now
12:38:43jhMikeSkugel: it's possible interrupts aren't firing properly or have been left disabled (forgot to restore somewhere, etc.)
12:39:14wodzjhMikeS: I am pretty certain that irq are serviced properly
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12:39:59wodzjhMikeS: current_tick is changing and results from ADC which are run of ISR also do
12:41:10kugelwodz: please look if you forgot to initalize a mutex or so somewhere
12:41:31jhMikeSwodz: does the interrupt wake the core properly? put a couter after the WFI code and see if it updates. it should at at least 100Hz. I've had what you describe happen before by leaving interrupts improperly masked somewhere. I'm not saying it's that but it sounds familiar.
12:42:04wodzWFI code?
12:42:12jhMikeSwodz: that too, you must call xxxxx_init. kernal objects are not guaranteed to have all zeros as init.
12:42:31webguest20I have just pasted the output
12:42:52jhMikeSwodz: core_sleep is really just Wait For Interrupt
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12:44:26wodzI didn't see and xxxx_init() in port specyfic files
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12:48:48jhMikeSwodz: existing files in SVN?
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12:51:59webguest20Torne do u have any suggestions for the problem with 240gb ipod?
12:52:05jhMikeSwodz: I should look in the /target sub?
12:52:27wodztarget/coldfire/mpio mostly
12:53:15Tornewebguest20: you need to actually give me the link to the pastebin...
12:54:18wodzjhMikeS: You can also look at FS #11137 but it lags behind my current code
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12:54:22webguest20oh ok and how do I do that ? sorry , i am not very good at this
12:55:01Tornewebguest20: er, just copy the address from your browser?
12:55:08webguest20would this help
12:55:31jhMikeSwodz: I'm not seeing anything that uses any mutexes or anything, thus no inits would be needed :)
12:55:35Torneyes, that's it
12:55:47webguest20ok :)
12:55:51Tornedoes your ipod show up as a drive in Explorer?
12:55:54Tornewhat drive letter is it?
12:56:06webguest20yes drive I:
12:56:16wodzI think first line says everthing: ipodpatcher 4.0 with v3.0 bootloaders (v1.0 for 2nd Gen Nano)
12:56:36wodzor I am reading it wrong that it is for nano only?
12:56:49Tornewodz: it has v3.0 bootloaders, and v1.0 for the nano 2g, compiled in
12:56:53webguest20but this the only patcher in the link
12:56:55Torneipodpatcher works on all ipods
12:57:06wodzI see
12:58:26wodzjhMikeS: what do You mean by WFI code?
12:58:38Tornewebguest20: can you go into Disk Management in control panel and see which disk number the ipod is?
12:59:57kugelwodz: now my few minutes are over, but luckily the real expert joined the fun :)
13:00:13wodzkugel: thanks for Your time
13:00:16jhMikeSwodz: (W)ait (F)or (I)nterrupt, which is stop #0x2000 for current CF targets.
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13:00:59wodzjhMikeS: ok I'll put some counter there and see
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13:01:36Tornewebguest20: try typing ipodpatcher 4 -l
13:01:37jhMikeSwodz: it should run at about the tick rate if nothing else is going on
13:02:05webguest20where do I type this
13:02:34Tornein a command prompt..
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13:03:34wodzjhMikeS: I don't see the way to check at what rate does it change
13:03:54wodzjhMikeS: I can only say it changes
13:03:59jhMikeSwodz: it should just "look right". increasing by about 100 every second
13:04:57jhMikeSif its waaay faster or slower while there's no other activity it's not right
13:05:11*wodz uploading rb to the device using painfully slow BDM pod
13:05:19*MrShlee hopes #linux4nano gets rockbox on the iPod classic soon enough
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13:05:23webguest20C:\Documents and Settings\My Laptop>ipodpatcher 4-I 'ipodpatcher' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
13:05:30pamauryI just tried to recompile rbutil on my machine and I get a strange error:
13:05:31pamaury/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /home/pamaury/project/rockbox/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt/build/librbspeex.a when searching for -lrbspeex
13:05:34pamauryany idea ?
13:06:29Tornewebguest20: 1) you need to be in the directory where ipodpatcher.exe is.. 2) you need a space between 4 and -l .. 3) it's an L, not an I
13:06:50webguest20ok sorry
13:06:59wodzjhMikeS: it seems right ~1000 increase in 10s
13:07:44jhMikeSwodz: sounds good then. perhaps there's a button issue with reading?
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13:08:10webguest20this what I get C:\>ipodpatcher 4 -l ipodpatcher 4.0 with v3.0 bootloaders (v1.0 for 2nd Gen Nano) (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2009 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
13:08:24wodzjhMikeS: what do You mean?
13:08:42Torneplease use pastebin, it's too long.
13:09:00webguest20Ok sorry again
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13:10:36TorneIt should've printed more than that
13:10:58jhMikeSwodz: maybe the buttons are having an issue. I though kugel said menus were getting stuck.
13:11:13wodzjhMikeS: yes
13:11:42wodzjhMikeS: there is a few seconds delay between selecting item and entering into menu
13:11:49webguest20also says " Error locking disk" and goes back to command prompt
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13:12:18Tornehm, that's probably not the right number then
13:12:21Tornenevermind :)
13:14:12webguest20disk4 emovable disk 223.45 Gb fat32 healthy thats what it says in disk management!
13:14:32Torneyes, but the numbers there don't necessarily correspond to the device paths for unfortunate reasons
13:14:47Tornehave you tried the rockbox utility?
13:14:59Torneit won't be able to install the right bootloader but it has much better diagnostic output :)
13:15:16Tornehelp -> troubleshoot -> system info, in the rockbox utility, would be useful :)
13:15:21webguest20you mean the auto installation ?
13:15:35webguest20yes I ahve that
13:16:02pamauryI found out, that was my mistake, a mix of x86 and x86-64 :)
13:16:12Tornetry that and paste the output from the troubleshoot menu, system info and system trace
13:16:31wodzjhMikeS: ?
13:16:42jhMikeSwodz: thinking....
13:17:45webguest20for sys info
13:18:42Tornedoes the utility detect your ipod?
13:19:00jhMikeSwodz: all the BSS and data is properly initialized? all relevant inits are called for each driver? (just making certain for sanity sake as it's an unfamiliar device to me)
13:20:05webguest20no it does not
13:20:42webguest20this is too long for sys trace
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13:21:24wodzjhMikeS: Everything should be in place. This device is quite similar to other coldfire DAPs
13:22:45Torneis itunes running?
13:23:46webguest20no right now no , should it be running when I try to instell rbutil?
13:23:58jhMikeSwodz: yet to my knowledge they aren't experiencing this (my H120 and x5 seem alright), despite running the same scheduler. this suggests that it's most likely in the specific port, not the common code.
13:25:03Tornewebguest20: unfortunately i don't know what else you can try; it is indeed physical drive 4. i'm not sure what ipodpatcher means by "Error locking disk", I would assume it's in use by something else but I can't see what that could be..
13:25:10Tornelinuxstb: any guesses? (see above)
13:25:12jhMikeSjust for a good check, I'll update my H120 to a later revision (even though I would think this would be noticed already)
13:25:35wodzjhMikeS: I would expect this also but I am out of Idea where is the real problem
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13:26:01webguest20ok thanks for ur time and effort , i really appreciate it :)
13:26:15Tornewebguest20: I suggest you post on the forum with the information you just gave me
13:26:22Torneincluding the output of what happens whe nyou run ipodpatcher 4 -l
13:26:28Torneand maybe someone else will have an idea
13:26:48webguest20I will do that thanks
13:27:34webguest20just which forum should I post it in ? there are so many!!!!!
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13:28:00MrShleeHey rockboxers, I'm looking for a 80GB+ mp3 player - the iPod isn't an option and the zune is looking pretty cheapy.. would rockbox ever support the zune?
13:28:34Tornewebguest20: apple installation
13:28:38wodzMrShlee: I don't thinks port to Zune will happen anytime soon
13:28:42linuxstbTorne, webguest2: I'm just reading the log now...
13:28:44TorneMrShlee: if someone does the work, possibly
13:28:55webguest20ok thanks
13:28:57B4gderMrShlee: "ever" is a long time...
13:29:17B4gderwe never rule out the possibility for a port
13:29:30MrShleeB4gde: my options are limited. so I'm hanging onto a slight hope :)
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13:31:54TorneMrShlee: why is an ipod not an option?
13:32:23TorneMrShlee: if you want a large disk based player your choices are ipod video or gigabeat, mostly
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13:32:44linuxstbwebguest20: How did you format your new disk? Did you use itunes?
13:32:47jhMikeSwodz: hmmm...ADC? double check that?
13:33:08webguest20yes I used Itune
13:34:06linuxstbTorne: Why did you say to try "4" as the disk number? (I missed that in the logs if it was mentioned)
13:34:51MrShleeTorne: I hate Apple, and I refuse to support their bottom line.
13:34:53Tornelinuxstb: because the numbers shown in disk management usually match the device paths, and the utility log confirms that I: is PhysicalDisk4, no?
13:35:12TorneMrShlee: ipod videos aren't sold by apple any more; if you buy one on ebay apple get nothing.
13:35:57wodzjhMikeS: What You want me to check? The ADC is readed in ISR, values are stored in global array, and the value for buttons channel is taken by button_read_device()
13:36:57jhMikeSwodz: I saw that. Make certain the buttons are being read properly. I have no more ideas at this point.
13:37:44jhMikeSwodz: does that ADC int need any sort of ack?
13:38:16wodzjhMikeS: You mean clear some bit in specyfic register or something?
13:39:00jhMikeSyes, or write a 1 to a register
13:39:09TorneMrShlee: i just suggest it because ipod video is a very well supported and stable rockbox target, and its battery and disk can easily be replaced/upgraded.. it's a good choice of player ;)
13:39:15linuxstbTorne: Yes, disk 4 seems right... webguest20: Your ipod is accessible as "I:" ?
13:39:41wodzjhMikeS: documentation doesn't mention anything
13:41:05jhMikeSwodz: which CF is it?
13:41:09webguest20yes very much so
13:42:11linuxstbwebguest20: Could you also try "3" ? i.e. "ipodpatcher 3 -l"
13:42:23webguest20ok i will
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13:44:26webguest20this is what comes up
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13:47:17webguest20should I try it on another computer ? has anyone ever tried to install rockbox on an upgraded Ipod ?
13:48:14linuxstbwebguest20: Yes, other people have used larger disks with Rockbox, and I assume they've been using ipodpatcher.
13:48:39webguest20ok then there is some hope for me :)
13:48:54linuxstbDo you have access to Linux? It would be easier for me to help you debug the problem there (assuming you're at least vaguely familiar with Linux).
13:49:25linuxstbBut yes, maybe simply trying another computer will work, if you have one.
13:49:42webguest20no not really , soory
13:49:43jhMikeSwodz: you have to write "1" to ADCONFIG bit 7?
13:50:09webguest20let me try another comp
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13:50:58wodzjhMikeS: I just added this and now uploading to new build to device
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13:53:00jhMikeSwodz: I see (3 << 24) in the writes to ADCONFIG but the UM says only 16 bits. ??
13:54:48wodzJhMikeS: Yes but I use or.l
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13:58:50webguest20Wow !!!! worked on my other Computer !!!!!! thank you all for all the help :)
13:59:04jhMikeSwodz: hmmm, yeah, it's big-endian...still looks odd at first sight. also, if that int pending bit is read as 1, the writeback should write 1 again.
13:59:31jhMikeSbut, doesn't hurt to try stuff out anyway.
14:01:30webguest20one problem on the ipod screen after restart says: "Panic unsupported physical sector size: 4096 ? does that mean anything ?
14:01:46Torneyou need to install a special bootloader for now
14:01:58Tornethe standard one doesn't support large drives quite yet
14:02:09webguest20where do I get that ?
14:02:39Torneput that in the same directory as ipodpatcher
14:02:47Torneand run ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
14:03:26Torneyou also need to use the current build of rockbox, not the 3.5.1 release
14:03:29Tornefor the same reason
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14:03:58webguest20ok thanks
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14:05:33linuxstbwebguest20: What are the differences between those two computers? Does one have itunes installed, and the other not, for example? Or maybe some strict virus-checker?
14:06:50wodzjhMikeS: setting byte 7 in ADCONFIG in ISR doesn't help
14:07:24webguest20they both have itune and same protection software, one lap top the other desktop ( worked on the desktop) same OS so really not much difference there !!!!!
14:07:50jhMikeSwodz: ~byte~ 7? :) hmmm...this is certainly all very strange though.
14:08:15wodzjhMikeS: bit 7 of course
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14:10:07jhMikeSwodz: again, it reminds me of int being improperly left masks somehow but I see no evidence so far that should be happening in your code. :\
14:11:24*jhMikeS 's at that point where he'd need one in hand to bang on everything that this *might* be.
14:13:56linuxstbwebguest20: I can't explain it then... But at least it works on one of them.
14:14:13wodzjhMikeS: please try to express what it might be at least
14:16:00jhMikeSI might try dumping the status register from code where ints shouldn't be masked to make sure the int level is right to allow ints.
14:21:04webguest20what is the current build ? I thought the last one was 3.5.1 !!!
14:21:23Tornethe current build is built from the code under development, every time it change
14:21:32Tornemany times per day :)
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14:22:53webguest20oh ok where do I get that from , sorry I am not qualified for this kind of things :)
14:23:02Tornethe rockbox utility will install it for you
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14:23:43webguest20I did try the ipodpatcher and bootloader but I get this:
14:24:28linuxstbwebguest20: You shouldn't hjave spaces at the end - i.e. "bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" is all one word, no spaces.
14:24:50webguest20ok thanks
14:24:54linuxstbIt should match the filename of the file you downloaded.
14:25:27wodzjhMikeS: I just tried manual brake and dumping SR. It always reads 0x2700 which I don't get because that way ISRs will never be serviced
14:26:34wodzBut hmm. Doesn't BDM disables irqs on brake...
14:28:23kugelbreak* :)
14:29:40jhMikeSwodz: I don't know anything about the BDM for this but perhaps just write it to the display? Not from the scheduler though since they'll be disabled through certain regions. somewhere, such as before waiting on the button queue.
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14:34:01jhMikeScalls to the kernel should return with them enabled as well, but saving the level with it already disabled, making a call that switches thread, then restoring to disabled could leave it like that
14:34:58linuxstbjhMikeS: Did you read in the logs that some people have made a breakthrough running their own code on the Zune? Is that of interest do you?
14:35:52jhMikeSlinuxstb: I've noticed some talk and perhaps it is :) it's i.MX31?
14:36:08wodzjhMikeS: My concern is that I don't see why this might happen with my code
14:36:47linuxstbjhMikeS: I've always thought that least the first generation of Zune is almost identical to the beast. But I've never looked at a hardware comparison...
14:36:55jhMikeSwodz: me neither from what I saw so far
14:36:57linuxstb^ "at least the first..>"
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14:38:49linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, it's an i.MX31 - see the scans here -
14:39:15jhMikeSlinuxstb: if so, most stuff should transfer unchanged. i'd be concerned with the code that could cause harm if wrong for the device, like charging and voltage scaling.
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14:41:40TornejhMikeS: well we'd need a boot method first..
14:41:41*linuxstb compares and
14:42:05jhMikeSit has that FOCUS thing too, huh?
14:42:37TornejhMikeS: the exploit lets people run native winCE binaries, so you could probably run something like haret to reboot into rockbox
14:42:50Torneactually compromising the boot chain to boot our bootloader directly would be a different matter
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14:45:29jhMikeSTorne: indeed
14:45:30MrShleeI've found a place offering 120GB zunes for cheap.. so I'm considering it
14:45:54webguest20Torne, Linuxstb, and all of you that helped me thank you for you patience and energy you put on this, it is working now thank you very much :)
14:46:25linuxstbMrShlee: Is that a US place?
14:46:55Tornewebguest20: you're welcome :) The next release of the bootloader will support large drives already, so this will be easier in future ;)
14:47:57webguest20thank you again I just need to go read the manual to learn how to use rockbox :0
14:48:23wodzjhMikeS: with Your scenario of saving disabled irq level and than restoring back to that - isn't it enough to monitor calls to restore_irq() ?
14:49:15pixelmawodz: by the way, I have a suspicion what went wrong with my Ondio last week. I won't be able to prove it anymore but I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with your patch
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14:49:41wodzpixelma: good
14:50:11webguest20thanks and bye
14:50:47jhMikeSwodz: I suppose. It's supposed to allow a call that disables them to call another that does. The main problem is a rescheduling call inside a section with them disabled and i'm not aware of any code that does such a thing.
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14:52:01jhMikeSwodz: I encoutered it when changing the scheduler itself which tends to simply crash and destroy everything immediately if there's a real problem.
14:52:19wodzpixelma: There are other parts of code that make reference to SH specific registers and/or MAS specific. But I suspended work on that for now.
14:52:57pixelmaI guess your port is more interesting :)
14:53:12wodzmore frustrating I would say
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14:54:43wodzehhh. restore_irq() is static inline so not traceable
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14:59:27jhMikeSwodz: I suppose that could be changed for testing ??
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15:00:00wodzjust recompiling...
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15:03:37kugeljhMikeS: I think the irq funcions, at least on arm, in fact rely on being inlined
15:06:05jhMikeSkugel: you mean for v6 where it keeps only the right switch branch?
15:06:31kugelno, I mean system-arm.h
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15:08:39jhMikeSright, where the "mask" constraint is "i,i"
15:10:28wodzBreakpoint 30, restore_irq (oldlevel=268443652)
15:10:34wodzthat is interesting
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15:12:09kugelwodz: why is that interesting?
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15:12:54wodzlevel should be something like 0x2000-0x2600
15:13:58jhMikeSI believe timers are at 4
15:14:17jhMikeSthat's 0x10002004 in HEX, but only the lowest 16 should matter
15:14:18kugelwodz: so 1 bit too much?
15:14:42wodzjhMikeS: I saw that too
15:14:45jhMikeSnvm...have to brush up moment
15:15:13jhMikeS0x4 = zero flag
15:16:36jhMikeSbit 13 = 1 = supervisor, 10:8 = 0x0 = ints enabled
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15:19:09wodzno I don't see restoring disabled interrupts
15:19:15jhMikeSeverything is move.w to/from sr, so 31:16 is irrelevant garbage
15:19:36wodzthe highest mask level I see is 0x2300
15:20:39jhMikeSwodz: where's that coming from?
15:21:25wodzit is after pressing button
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15:21:42jhMikeSIRQ enab/disab functions should set 0x2500
15:22:05jhMikeS*err, disable should set 0x2000
15:22:33jhMikeSblah! s/disable/enable/ LOL
15:22:38wodzdisable should set rather 0x2700
15:23:04jhMikeSwodz, no because audio DMA is not normally masked, it's level 6
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15:24:32jhMikeSoh, I know why. timers are level 3, therefore, ints at the same and lower are masked and then restored upon return
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15:25:51jhMikeSthe adc int has a priority setting somewhere?
15:26:00wodzyest level 4
15:27:10wodzor_l((4<<28), &INTPRI8); at the very end of adc-hd200.c
15:31:13*jhMikeS 's running rather short on might-be's
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15:33:12wodzok I have to go
15:34:12jhMikeSwodz: later. sorry this wasn't more productive.
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16:14:46LloreanJdGordon: It sorta defeats the purpose of the forums if you make a rule of "no negative feedback on my ideas or I'm going to lock the thread"
16:15:05LloreanEspecially if you want positive feedback by PM only, more or less preventing any public discussion / improvement on the idea.
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16:21:05jhMikeSLOL. what? that's like rigging elections (or something). :)
16:22:06LloreanOr something, yeah.
16:22:44LloreanNot that I had anything else to say in the thread, but I was surprised to find it locked with a "PM me if you have some positive feedback" note.
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16:25:46JdGordonOH FOR FUCKS SAKE
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16:31:10*kugel 's not a fan of the added redundancy too
16:32:12kugelI also agree with pixelma, it doesn't seem to aid readability
16:34:03LloreanI just don't like the precedent of starting to develop multiple syntaxes to accomplish the same thing (or overlapping things). At that point "we already have a tag that does that" no longer becomes a valid reason not to commit something, and we don't really have a reason to reject any patch by random persons who think Syntax B is a better way to express image positioning, or whatnot.
16:34:33LloreanIt just seems better to pick one (the new or the old) and use it.
16:36:12pixelmaLlorean: there already was a discussion about the locked thread here a bit earlier today
16:36:14kugelit seems a bit strange to me that I need to go through an painful discussion about redundancy (about ui viewport and sbs), but when it comes to wps tags it's alright?
16:36:36Lloreankugel: Who said redundancy is alright?
16:37:22kugelwell, JdGordon's patch doesn't add anything besides redundancy
16:39:05LloreanNo, it does add the ability for alternating sublines to clear images if what he says is correct.
16:39:25LloreanWhen the tag alternates, images from the previous iteration are actually cleared, rather than simply overwritten.
16:39:58LloreanBut it seems like if the old sublines don't do this, and it's desired, it should be added into them.
16:39:59kugelas pointed out in the thread that's doable as of now
16:40:11LloreanI thought it was only doable by drawing over the entire image.
16:40:17*Llorean maybe missed something.
16:40:57kugeland looking at the patch I don't see how this problem is solved by the patch. it rather looks like it'd suffer the same problem (going by the code, I haven't tested it)
16:41:23LloreanBut yes, it's the redundancy I dislike. Despite some claims, I'm not entirely against change. In this case, for example, I see no overall harm in replacing the old syntax with the new syntax if the new one is more readable, or at least, no less readable, and offered more flexibility (which it doesn't *yet* though)
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16:43:03kugelas pixelma said, it potentially reduces readability if there are a lot of contitionals in it (or even worse, one of the tags that end with | like %Sx)
16:43:22LloreanIndeed. I rather like the simplicity of the current subline syntax myself.
16:43:42LloreanIt results in giant blocks of code, but the actual syntax is pretty simple.
16:44:34kugelthe example given by pixelma also shows that the resulting line is not really shorter
16:45:17pixelmaLlorean: I use it (for a very very simple "animation" only though and themes like iCatcher etc. use it for animations. It might be that the images aren't cleared, just drawn over but it seems like no-one noticed so far...
16:45:54kugelyou don't see the problem if the images have the same size
16:46:21LloreanMono bitmaps would see the problem (or have in the past, I think) but they're very rare.
16:46:24kugelwhich presumably is the common case
16:46:38kugelLlorean: why?
16:46:56kugeldancingpuffduo has mono bitmaps, but there's no such problem visible
16:47:15LloreanAre they actually mono bitmaps, or 16/24-bit bitmaps only using two colors?
16:47:25kugeltransparency in rockbox only means that the backdrop/background color is visible, not whatever was there before
16:47:57LloreanAh well, so the problem is very minor.
16:47:58pixelmamine uses mono bitmaps too and don't see glitches
16:48:41LloreanI've mostly only used alternating sublines on text myself.
16:48:43kugelfor every transparent pixel it copes the according pixel from the backdrop buffer or the background color, so leftovers from the foreground are removed as well
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16:49:13Lloreankugel: Grayscale targets don't have a background color (or at least, they didn't used to, maybe they do now?)
16:49:17LloreanI seem to remember the problem on my H100.
16:49:30LloreanBut I'm willing to accept it's long since been fixed.
16:49:43kugelI think greyscales have even backdrops, at least in the wps
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16:52:07pamaurygevaerts: I would like make my code about usb-audio and the new usb api more closer to being integrated in the svn, I need to solve the problem about usb api. What do you think I should do ? Should I introduce a define HAVE_NEW_USB_API and make usbstack code depends on it ?
16:52:32Lloreanpamaury: Any luck getting it working on windows, by chance?
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16:53:09JdGordonkugel: the patch "fixes" the image clearing because thats just what happens when a value is used for conditionals, all the other options are checked and images disabled there
16:53:18gevaertspamaury: unless you find a way to port, test and integrate all other controller drivers yourself, I think there's not much choice
16:53:29JdGordonthis could probaly be done for the current subline handling, but that wasnt my reason for adding it
16:54:10pixelmagreyscale targets don't have background or foreground shades "globally" yet but you can have those in viewports (and it works correctly for mono bitmaps. In the menus and lists white background (or a backdrop) and black foreground is fixed
16:54:21pamauryLlorean: not currently, I tried it under a XP myself and it just didn't work, I can't understand why it does work, something with iso transfer imo or there is something else I forgot to setup that confuse usb audio driver. I have no skills under windows about kernel debugging so it's hard to understand what is going one
16:54:29pamaury*doesn't work
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17:00:59JdGordonI dont suppose anyone has tried reproing the playlist viewer bug recently? (and can say its magically dissapeared?)
17:02:23pamauryLlorean: if I trusted virtualbox about isochronous transfers and wireshark on my linux, then I would say it has to do with some descriptor problem and/or command handling problem because wireshark reports to iso transfers to the device. Which means windows does not even try to send audio data. But, windows tries to switch to playback interface, and a few seconds later switch back to idle and then to playback, just like if it has an error time
17:02:23pamauryout and tries some kind of reset. I'm currently reading the spec once more to see if I missed a detail
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20:46:07GlakkeIsn't it possible to use %strip on %s, I can only get it to work with %d?
20:51:05pixelmawhat do you want to achieve? One note though, not many people know the tagnavi syntax and I don't know if you can get an answer here at all.
20:55:39GlakkeI want to sort by Artist, Album, tracknumber, title. But I do not want to display Artist and Album.
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20:57:10pixelmaI don't think you can strip complete tags, only a specific amount of characters (or digits)
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20:57:48GlakkeShouldn't it be possible to use %150s, and then strip 150 characters?
20:57:53pixelmaquite but not a 100% sure
20:59:26GlakkeOh well, seems like you can't use %150s like you can use %150d. Odd.
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22:50:14kugelso, if RaaA was to replace the SDL's audio we currently use in the sim, what (OS) library(-ies) could we use? I'm currently looking into alsa, and already managed to re-output the raw data dumped by the sim (with −−debugaudio) again
22:51:36gevaertsthat would be target dependent I'd think
22:51:54kugelwith target you mean OS?
22:52:17B4gderand target ;-)
22:52:34B4gderor perhaps kernel + OS
22:53:03B4gderlike android will certainly not be like maemo even if both are linux kernels
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22:55:48kugelyes, it'll be target dependant, although I'd think all non-android linux based OSes can do alsa? alsa is pretty much a kernel thing
22:55:58thinkpadx61i would like the "The" in artist names to be ignored when sorted in the database ... how can this be done?
22:56:38gevaertskugel: yes, but that doesn't mean also would be the preferred way
22:57:01kugelthat's why I'm asking, what would be preferred?
22:58:01linuxstbWhy does it matter at this stage? Isn't the idea that there will be target-specific audio drivers for RaaA?
22:58:55kugelit doesn't mater yet now, but the question came up in my head so I thought asking now couldn't harm
22:59:30pixelmathinkpadx61: it's currently not possible. I gave you a longer explanation yesterday
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23:02:29thinkpadx61pixelma: sorry, didn't see that
23:02:47kugellinuxstb: that's the idea yes
23:09:02kugelwhat does today's gsoc date mean exactly? the mentors are fixed. are the slots assigned too, or is decided how we get?
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23:11:33B4gderyou mean April 21?
23:11:38kugelor tomorrow rather
23:11:51kugelsorry :)
23:12:03B4gderit means we need to assign mentors to projects and that the scoring must be done
23:12:32B4gderscoring as done by us/mentors
23:13:23*kugel wants a highscore :)
23:15:08pixelmaB4gder: can it be that today's manual build round was interrupted by the broken M3 manual (strikes me odd, but that's the only one I found broken locally so far too) and on the manual overview it looks like all that came after it failed (and it's not like when it happened earlier that the online manual is half replaced but completely missing)
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23:15:37*pixelma should have used more punctuation
23:16:10B4gderit sounds unlikely...
23:16:47kugelwhen is decided how much slots we get (if it isn't already)?
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23:17:31saratogathey shuffle some slots around at the end, so we could get more then we have now
23:18:02B4gderwe have 3 atm
23:18:15kugelonly 3?
23:18:30pixelmaB4gder: yes, but I've built successfully an X5, a 1st2ndgenIpod, e200, Gigabeat, small H10 manual locally
23:18:41kugellast year it was 7 and we gave 2 back, right?
23:19:05B4gderwasn't it 5 and we gave one back?
23:19:20*kugel hopes that relates to the number of application and not that google is angry at us
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23:21:07kugelalthough if it means we didn't get many applications is not too nice either
23:21:37pixelmaB4gder: and as I sai, it's different to other times it happened anyways
23:21:39B4gderwell, if we got only crap apps it would be good for YOU ;-)
23:21:46pixelmaor said
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23:24:44kugelB4gder: well, I surely want to get accepted, but I also want gsoc 2010 to be successful for our project. the best is both of course ;)
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