#rockbox 2010-05-04

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#rockbox log for 2010-05-04

00:01:23	funman	perhaps it means gcc needs to be rebuilt with specific options for this cpu ?
00:03:13	amiconn	vfp and (classic) fpu are not the same
00:03:34	funman	amiconn: do you have an idea about this ?
00:04:13	amiconn	And afaik no recent-ish arm core actually has a classic fpu
00:04:15	funman	strings on cc1 shows both arm1176jz-s and arm1176jzf-s
00:04:32	funman	amiconn: the problem here is why are we trying to link with a FPU-enabled libgcc
00:04:47	amiconn	Using the wrong multilibs?
00:05:00	funman	how does one select multilib if not by gcc -mcpu=X ?
00:06:17	funman	http://www.rockbox.org/gcc/rockbox-multilibs-arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3_3.diff has arm1176jz-s in the list but i don't see it in prefix/arm-elf/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3
00:06:30	funman	was this patch updated sometime ago ?
00:07:07	funman	(parent directory is 403)
00:08:28	funman	loveless: when did you install arm compiler through rockboxdev.sh ?
00:08:47	linuxstb	funman: "Last-Modified: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:35:52 GMT"
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00:10:46	loveless	funman: August, 6th
00:10:58	funman	perhaps worth a rebuild, i've no idea how this stuff works and if the patch got updated since
00:11:06	amiconn	Which target has arm1176jz-s?
00:11:57	funman	sansa view
00:13:43	amiconn	Oh, PP6100 is that much more powerful than PP50xx?
00:14:02	funman	isn't the sansa view using wifi, linux ?
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00:15:59	CIA-5	New commit by funman (r25799): as3525v2: Use CD Interrupt vs. CD polling in send_cmd() ...
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00:22:02	kugel	funman: yay! o/
00:22:45	funman	[X] DONE
00:22:52	kugel	freq scaling is rather stable as well now? I think we can go unstable soonish then
00:22:59	funman	'rather' yes
00:24:03	funman	recording looks ok too
00:25:37	*	kugel tries fancy write support
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00:29:17	DA-Laptop	Hello. While this question is a bit irrelevant as to the purpose of this channel, I failed to find an answer elsewhere and am hoping someone here can provide me with one: What kind of input voltage (and other data, if you have it) does the Cowon D2 take when charging?
00:29:32	DA-Laptop	I looked at Cowon's website, manuals, etc. Nowhere does it say.
00:29:39	dfkt	funman -
00:29:44	dfkt	congrats :)
00:29:44	DA-Laptop	Can't find the packaging for mine.
00:29:54	funman	dfkt: eh don't forget FlynDice
00:30:02	dfkt	FlynDice - congrats :D
00:30:17	funman	his FS# patch was needed for stable write
00:30:52	funman	next things: check battery charging/monitoring for all devices
00:30:58	funman	USB detection for fuzev2/clip+
00:31:06	funman	USB driver would be cool..
00:31:17	funman	oh and Fuzev2 FM
00:31:18	dfkt	very much so.. the stock firmware's refresh takes ages
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00:31:55	funman	pamaury started looking at it but i think he's quite busy
00:33:06	funman	dfkt: did you charge with rockbox already?
00:33:17	dfkt	on the clip+? no
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00:33:32	dfkt	gonna get the new build now
00:34:27	funman	i'll edit my post and ask for real battery benches
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00:35:47	kugel	yea, FM would be awesome
00:36:02	kugel	so the fuzev2 can eventualyl replace my v1 ;)
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00:37:34	DA-Laptop	Anyone?
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00:40:10	*	dfkt listens to a write-enabled clip+ on insanely stupid and fancy japan-only jvc fx700 iems... pure bliss/
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00:45:12	Battousai	funman: thank you very much. you've made my fuzev2 the best $30 player on the market :)
00:45:19	arlaneenalra	So if I read this right, 25799 makes write work on as3525s?
00:49:21	arlaneenalra	rather, the fuzev2 and friends
00:50:14	funman	arlaneenalra: fuzev2, clipv2, clip+
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00:50:57	arlaneenalra	YEAH! That actually makes the player useful :)
00:51:24	*	dfkt scrobbled from clip+ ... first!
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00:53:53	kugel	I'm not entirely happy with the wheel behavior of the fuze still
00:53:59	kugel	fuzev2
00:55:21	funman	too fast?
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00:55:54	kugel	yes and no
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00:58:08	kugel	too erratic
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01:02:54	arlaneenalra	kugel: I would agree with you on that one. It decides to skip several lines seemingly at random
01:04:01	kugel	it appears you can skip thousand lines with a single wipe
01:05:48	kugel	funman: I think we should do asynchrounus lcd updates
01:06:46	kugel	or at least put a yield when waiting for the dbop fifo
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01:07:16	funman	why?
01:07:44	kugel	fuzev2 needs boosting sometimes in the debug menu
01:07:52	kugel	60fps is not enough to be neglible
01:07:58	funman	'needs' ?
01:08:33	kugel	it boosts sometimes to refill the pcm buffer
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01:09:26	funman	can't test now i'm running battery_bench
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01:10:03	saratoga	FWIW with the first write support patch, I had two lock ups, one while changing tracks, the other while playing (probably during a rebuffer)
01:10:08	saratoga	they may be fixed by now though
01:11:08	kugel	speaking of lock ups. fuzev2 is very unstable at the moment
01:11:09	funman	saratoga: panics?
01:11:20	kugel	it often freezes on disk accesses
01:11:27	kugel	fuzev1*
01:12:23	Kohlrabi	funman: is there a version of mkamsboot which supports Clip+ firmware 1.02.13?
01:13:09	funman	Kohlrabi: you must build it from svn
01:13:15	Kohlrabi	ok
01:13:25	saratoga	funman: no, one just hung at the loading splash screen (but kept playing in spite of being unresponsive) and the other froze completely with sound and screen off
01:13:27	saratoga	no panics
01:13:59	funman	i blame set_cpu_frequency() then, when testing write support i had only panics
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01:16:13	saratoga	ah ok
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01:41:17	kugel	funman: this works OK, http://pastie.org/944432, not much better in the debug menu though
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01:44:35	kugel	oh, just experienced a lock up, just after rebuffering finished
01:48:14	*	kugel hopes someone will have a look at his creat/open patch soon
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01:55:23	funman	kugel: does fps change with that ?
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01:56:43	Ipsi	hey guys. Anyone know if fuze v2 is usable yet. I'm reading the thread, and it just got write support. But i still don't know whether It's usable or getting there.
01:57:16	saratoga	check the front page
01:58:26	Ipsi	seems like i could get a more human answer for this particular case. If someone tried it that is.
01:58:37	Ipsi	more human than what the fron page says
01:58:47	Ipsi	which is kinda generic
01:59:26	funman	front page is always right, trust it
01:59:31	saratoga	well it answers what you asked :)
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01:59:49	funman	'much remains before they are usable:' ... 'fuzev2'
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02:00:06	Ipsi	oh i was reading the main rockbox page
02:00:07	Ipsi	:$
02:00:18	funman	me too, http://www.rockbox.org/ -> Unusable ports
02:01:07	Ipsi	oh, sorry. I didn't see it there
02:01:19	Ipsi	I read the Fuze v1 (not v2)
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02:03:22	kugel	funman: shouldn't. let me check
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02:05:22	kugel	it should just let other threads run during updates
02:06:30	kugel	no, fps is unaffected
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02:14:40	loveless	figured out most of the view's keys and the wheel. huzzah for my_blinkenbyte(unsigned char x)! :D
02:16:49	kugel	I'm surprised that relatively little changes enabled write support
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02:17:10	kugel	loveless: great! now go for the lcd :)
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02:21:46	belak	Is it possible to use rockbox on a sansa fuze with an fm transmitter?
02:22:18	loveless	kugel: you guys all seem to want the same thing. ;) i think I'll first pick up some more speed (must still deal with mmu, cache control, interrups and such) before I'm finally reday to hit the LCD wall.
02:22:21	saratoga	through the headphone jack yeah, probably not through the dock connector
02:22:42	belak	SO, there's no way to get it to work with the dock?
02:22:57	saratoga	sure theres a way, you just get to figure it out yourself
02:23:08	belak	I have a griffin itrip and I don't want to boot into te old firmware just for this
02:23:15	saratoga	i wouldn't worry too much about the mmu, whatever mode its in right now is good enough to run code, so its probably good enough for the bootloader
02:23:16	belak	No gapless in the old firmware
02:23:38	saratoga	on the fuzev1 port we actually ran withou the MMU and cache in the main build for a while
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02:24:30	funman	loveless: lcd makes it easier to debug than a led
02:25:14	funman	belak: how much does this transmitter cost?
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02:25:39	belak	Around $40, I think
02:26:15	funman	send me one and i'll see if i can make it work
02:26:30	belak	Meh
02:26:30	loveless	funman: sure, but reversing the lcd code is quite a task seemingly greater embedded hackers have already given up on.
02:26:48	saratoga	has anyone worked on it?
02:27:38	loveless	anyway, calling it a day. g'night everyone!
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02:28:13	belak	what is the car adapter mode?
02:28:57	saratoga	check the manual, but it probably won't work on the fuze
02:29:01	saratoga	due to how it powers up
02:29:21	belak	Oh
02:29:24	belak	Ok
02:29:28	funman	loveless: lcd is pretty easy in fact: you need to find lcd_init(), lcd_write_register(), lcd_write_data()
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02:29:50	belak	Seems like whenever I plug in my cord it pops out to the old firmware
02:30:08	saratoga	not seems like, thats how it works
02:30:11	belak	I'd be better off getting a new transmitter that works in the headphone jack, it looks like
02:30:14	belak	Why?
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02:30:50	saratoga	so that you can use the OF for USB
02:31:15	belak	OF = old firmware ?
02:31:23	saratoga	original firmware
02:31:28	belak	Ah
02:31:30	belak	Close
02:31:43	belak	What's the best player for rockbox to run on?
02:32:40	saratoga	Toshiba Gigabeat X
02:33:00	belak	Why is that?
02:34:03	saratoga	because its the hardest player to buy
02:34:20	belak	Ah
02:34:26	funman	kugel: in fact response is needed for write/read commands, but it seems to work on amsv1
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02:37:28	RandomInsano	Good news everyone! Code now runs on the TCC8200. The devilishly inverted meaning behind the TCCBOOT define was to blame
02:38:20	belak	saratoga: can the fuze be plugged in and charging but still playing music?
02:38:33	saratoga	sure
02:38:41	saratoga	check the manual, this stuff is all in there
02:39:07	belak	I didn't know that was there
02:39:10	belak	Sorry
02:39:48	Adubb	hey funman, not sure if anyone has said anything yet. With the new build my clip+ will not boot up past the splashscreen with a microsd card incerted, its fine without however.
02:40:24	belak	So, something like this http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Universal-Transmitter-Charger-Players/dp/B000JV9NL2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272933429&sr=1-3 would be perfect
02:40:28	belak	Thanks
02:41:15	funman	Adubb: yes there is some problems with µSD check the forum thread if you can help
02:41:34	Adubb	will do
02:43:41	funman	just read last kugel's msg on page 109
02:44:15	S_a_i_n_t	belak: IIUC, there is technically no gaples playback support in Rockbox either...so you're not gaining anything over the OF in that respect.
02:44:30	S_a_i_n_t	But, in many other respects...yes, you gain a lot. ;)
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02:44:58	saratoga	S_a_i_n_tL huh?
02:45:02	saratoga	S_a_i_n_t:
02:45:21	belak	saratoga: well, it definitely works and the OF doesn't
02:45:51	belak	Sorry
02:45:59	belak	meant S_a_i_n_t
02:46:04	S_a_i_n_t	Doesn't RB not do gapless playback? Well, you can get it to work, but only with crossfade...well, in my experience anyway.
02:46:28	S_a_i_n_t	If there's a better way, I'd like to hear it.
02:46:46	belak	It worked by default when I installed it
02:47:17	mc2739	S_a_i_n_t: gapless playback is the main reason I started using Rockbox
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02:47:48	funman	hum yes rockbox plays gapless by default
02:48:04	funman	unless you encoded your songs with gaps in them
02:48:07	S_a_i_n_t	I always get a pause between my tracks...is there anything special you need to do to accomplish gapless? I've been faking it with crossfade.
02:48:32	funman	remove the silence at the end of your tracks with audacity or whatever
02:48:43	S_a_i_n_t	There isn't any.
02:49:05	S_a_i_n_t	And still, there is a slight pause when changing tracks.
02:49:09	mc2739	S_a_i_n_t: for mp3, you need to use the Lame encoder
02:49:28	belak	I use oggs if that makes a difference
02:49:29	belak	:P
02:49:42	S_a_i_n_t	Ahhh....that may be the reason then. I've just been faking gapless with crossfade.
02:50:00	S_a_i_n_t	Works for me :P
02:51:20	belak	I ordered a transmitter that will work with rockbox.
02:51:22	belak	Yay
02:51:27	belak	Thanks guys
02:53:43	saratoga	S_a_i_n_t: it would be nice if you could take the time to have some idea what you're talking about before offering advice
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02:55:22	S_a_i_n_t	Hence why I added IIUC, not "this is definitely how it is, and I'm positive of it", it would be nice if you recognised the fact that all people are fallible.
02:56:36	saratoga	i don't see how prefacing it with a disclaimer makes being uninformed any better
02:57:46	saratoga	i only single you out on this point because it seems to be an ongoing area of concern for you
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03:00:22	S_a_i_n_t	Geeez...let it up ffs. RB doesn't do gapless for mp3, so it's not like I was entirely 100% wrong, I fond it very hard to believe that you've never been mistaken about anything before either...it happens, I apologise.
03:00:32	S_a_i_n_t	*find
03:01:02	belak	S_a_i_n_t: rockbox does gapless with mp3, just not any mp3. Sounds like it needs to be encoded with lame which is free anyway.
03:07:18	saratoga	i'm not annoyed that you're wrong, I'm annoyed that you think you know the answer when very obviously you have no idea what you're talking about
03:08:22	saratoga	gapless isn't some secret, its actually item #2 on our WhyRockbox page
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03:20:14	belak	ahh
03:20:20	belak	How do I exit jackpot...
03:20:22	belak	Wait
03:20:25	belak	I'll look it up
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03:30:11	funman	Adubb: still there?
03:30:39	arlaneenalra	what is the status of FM on the fuze v2?
03:30:56	funman	arlaneenalra: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
03:32:48	arlaneenalra	I had seen the red no, I was hoping for a little more detail.
03:33:02	arlaneenalra	The last item I asked about showed up in svn the next day ;)
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03:38:44	funman	bad luck then, all my Sansas are busy benching the battery for the next days :p
03:40:57	FlynDice	funman: \O/ \o/ \O/ You da man once again!! I can finally sleep in peace..... Just popping in will look closer later!
03:45:40	arlaneenalra	funman: indeed, I didn't notice that was your commit
03:47:20	funman	FlynDice: thanks to your patch it worked immediately :))
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03:52:13	belak	How can I export a playlist so I can use it in rockbox?
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04:09:39	arlaneenalra	Is the map listed on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSHardwareMappings current for the fuzev2?
04:09:47	saratoga	belak: save as m3u, copy the files leaving the same structure they had when you made the m3u
04:10:01	funman	arlaneenalra: yes
04:10:28	belak	Thanks
04:12:16	Adubb	hey funman yep still here
04:12:54	funman	Adubb: yep, can you build your own rockbox?
04:13:13	Adubb	yep
04:14:13	funman	does http://pastie.org/944578 fix the problems with µSD ?
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04:17:24	Adubb	no idea what to do with that lol.
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04:18:28	saratoga	Adubb: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches
04:18:30	Adubb	i thought you meant can i build with mkamsboot
04:18:41	funman	Adubb: ah no i meant compile with gcc
04:19:26	saratoga	mkamsboot doesn't involve rockbox, just the bootloader ;)
04:20:04	Adubb	ah
04:23:10	Adubb	wish i had some knowledge to help
04:23:41	saratoga	Adubb: can you read words and follow directions? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
04:24:01	Adubb	depends how stoned i am lol
04:24:25	funman	some people are already looking at µSD on the forum
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04:25:01	Adubb	hmm thanks for that link saratoga
04:26:15	Adubb	im going to be formating my laptop soon, ill dual boot so i can start learning that
04:27:21	saratoga	its probably easier to just use a vm
04:27:45	Adubb	ive been wanting play around with ubuntu anyways
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04:35:45	funman	damn clipv2 crashed
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04:36:11	funman	and it's teh only one without µSD so i still can't test
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04:38:57	*	JdGordon1 needs an idea of something to code up in about 40min...
04:39:15	funman	JdGordon: FM support on fuzev2 !
04:39:21	JdGordon1	I'm thinking redo the databse init screen to not use splashes :p
04:39:37	funman	progress bar then?
04:40:05	JdGordon1	?
04:41:48	funman	if you remove the splashes which say 1/9 2/9 etc .. will you still report the progress?
04:46:09	JdGordon1	not those ones.. the ones that show up when you go into the database screen before it is initialised
04:46:16	JdGordon1	the "scanning.." ones
04:46:25	JdGordon1	they suck because the text box isnt constant size
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04:53:01	funman	saratoga: weird, in the clipv2 bench time left has strange values
04:53:12	funman	most of the times it's 00:-1 (i assume because current isn't set)
04:53:44	funman	and on 3 hours bench (180 entries) there are 3 entries with 15100586:39 left
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04:57:40	arlaneenalra	Any best guesses on the fm radio sda/scl pins for the fuzev2?
04:58:26	funman	arlaneenalra: nope, it's a bit different from other models: there seems to be 2 possibilities for the pins and none of them work
04:59:13	arlaneenalra	fun :)
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05:00:12	arlaneenalra	I'm guessing someone has tried B6 and B7
05:01:59	funman	no
05:03:29	funman	Clipv2 full voltage starts at 4.19, not 4.16 like clipv2
05:04:25	funman	http://pastie.org/944627
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05:07:38	kisak	hey funman
05:09:08	funman	if voltage falling is linear that'd mean 16h45 runtime for clipv2
05:09:16	kisak	you just made my day ... today I got a Fuze V2 and here you go and push in write support
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05:39:04	arlaneenalra	I'm guessing that the FM debug page should show true if the radio is present :(
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05:39:38	funman	arlaneenalra: yes, but the first thing you should notice is the 'FM radio' entry in the main menu
05:40:42	arlaneenalra	I gave c6/7 a shot since they seem to be listed as pins with an i2c interface in the datasheet for the as3525
05:41:30	funman	where?
05:42:04	funman	you should rather try B0 and A0 or A4 (what i saw in fuzev2 OF), but current code assume both pins are on the same port (A B C or D)
05:42:21	arlaneenalra	yeah, I noticed that
05:42:46	arlaneenalra	Let me give that a shot then,
05:42:58	arlaneenalra	It's been a while since I've done anything with an embedded chip
05:44:05	funman	i tried both on my fuze, tried longer delays but no luck
05:44:17	funman	i think perhaps we need to set some GPIO pin to power the FM chip
05:45:03	arlaneenalra	you said all three of those were referenced in the OF?
05:45:15	funman	yes one is the scl pin
05:45:23	funman	the other 2 are selected dynamically as the sda pin
05:45:55	funman	something like if(*fm_pin == 0) sda = A0; else sda = A4;
05:48:52	arlaneenalra	hmm
05:50:10	funman	can you read ARM assembly?
05:50:44	arlaneenalra	I can probably figure it out,
05:51:07	funman	if you split a fuzev2 OF with utils/AMS/hacking/amsinfo.c i can point you to the FM i2c code
05:51:22	funman	myself i'm disassembling V02.01.17
05:53:58	arlaneenalra	hmm
05:54:08	arlaneenalra	I've got 2.02.26A
05:54:15	arlaneenalra	Let me see if I can get the other one
05:55:47	funman	firmwares are pretty similar across all the AMS series so i could compare the one i have with 2.02.26 and find the location of fm code
05:56:04	arlaneenalra	no biggey,
05:56:11	arlaneenalra	just downloaded the 2.01.17
05:57:00	arlaneenalra	Where am I looking here ?
05:59:00	funman	you must split it in parts with amsinfo
05:59:05	arlaneenalra	done
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05:59:13	arlaneenalra	I have quite a few files now :)
05:59:14	funman	which disassembler do you have ?
05:59:38	funman	I use IDA pro, i can load several binary files at different addresses
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06:00:03	arlaneenalra	right now all I have is the arm_disarm in rockbox
06:00:24	funman	hm objdump does a better job (because it can understand thumb code too)
06:00:42	topik	thanks for the effort on write support for as3525v2 funman/FlynDice. that's a great milestone.
06:01:23	funman	arlaneenalra: most of the code is in 'firmware' which you can load at '0'
06:01:37	funman	pretty much all the files have mixed arm/thumb so you should disassemble them in both mode
06:02:07	funman	arm-elf-objdump -m arm -b binary (−−disassembler-options=force-thumb) "file"
06:02:35	funman	the FM code is in wav_codec , entry point 0x29550
06:03:44	funman	hmm −−start-address doesn't work like i want
06:04:11	arlaneenalra	hmm, I don't have a -m or -b option for arm-elf-objdump . . .
06:04:54	funman	man objdump says -b bfdname -m machine
06:05:09	funman	% arm-elf-objdump -v
06:05:09	funman	GNU objdump 2.16.1
06:05:14	funman	you have the rockboxdev.sh version?
06:05:24	arlaneenalra	yeah, built that yesterday
06:07:29	arlaneenalra	this is what I get http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DF0zVHsi
06:08:08	funman	yeah same, but the options are there anyway (just look at man objdump, it's the same options)
06:09:05	saratoga	usually those two stock objdump commands are enough
06:10:03	funman	but it would be nice to specify a base address
06:10:43	funman	if you run "arm-elf-objdump -m arm -b binary -D wav_codec\ \ " the function at (0x)1420: is "fm_i2c_send_byte", r0 contains the byte to write
06:11:31	arlaneenalra	missed the -D option duh!
06:11:52	funman	the function it calls (3 times) is just a (fixed) busy loop, r0 is meant to be the number of loops but it's overwritten by the function which is: "mov r0, #60\n 1: nop\n subs r0, r0, #1 \n bne 1b \n bx lr\n"
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06:39:31	arlaneenalra1	what's at 0x000287ac?
06:40:56	funman	the 'SDA' setting
06:42:04	funman	it is written from the 'firmware' file at 0x9CD6
06:42:24	funman	the value written is GPIOA_PIN4
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07:38:13	arlaneenalra1	only when I have a uSD card in the player though . . . . :(
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07:47:40	topik	i only have 1 uSD card but my clip+ starts rockbox fine when it's inserted
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10:35:22	wodz	amiconn: ping
10:35:57	funman	kugel: it seems there are now additional problems with µSD (perhaps because of r25799), not only with the delay i think
10:36:15	funman	for me detection was buggy but i had no lockup at boot
10:41:47	kugel	not even sleep(1) helps against the microsd problems?
10:42:32	funman	according to the forums guy no (can't test i'm running benches : clipv2 crashed 2 times but the ones with µSD are still running)
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11:01:01	Milardo	Hi, does anyone know what information, specs, etc. needed for meizu m6 rockbox?
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11:09:29	GodEater	Milardo: probably yes, but not everyone is online 24h a day.
11:09:56	Milardo	do you happen to know?
11:10:17	GodEater	if I did, I'd have said so.
11:10:34	Milardo	oh all right i will check back later i guess thanks anyways
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12:18:47	wodz	how to disable inclusion of rockbox logo in bootloader build?
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12:26:44	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: the SOURCES file?
12:27:05	wodz	I can't track this down :/
12:27:25	S_a_i_n_t	apps/bitmaps/native/SOURCES
12:27:45	S_a_i_n_t	Only think I can suggest is to remove it from there...
12:29:34	S_a_i_n_t	yeah, find the appropriate LCD dimensions for your player, and remove the call to rockboxlogo.XXXxXXxXX.bmp from there.
12:29:50	S_a_i_n_t	should work, but I can't say I have tested this...
12:30:45	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: Let me know if it works out for you ;)
12:30:49	JdGordon	no, thats not enough
12:30:56	S_a_i_n_t	ahhh...bugger
12:31:30	n1s	he needs to drop show_logo.c from his bootloader (if it's currently linked in) and any calls to show logo of course
12:31:50	n1s	wodz: why do you need this?
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12:32:42	amiconn	[02:29:36] <funman> loveless: lcd is pretty easy in fact: you need to find lcd_init(), lcd_write_register(), lcd_write_data() <== for various definitions of 'easy' :\
12:32:49	amiconn	wodz: pong
12:32:54	wodz	I do not link show_logo.c but I see in map file reference to rockboxlogo
12:33:09	wodz	amiconn: I have funny visual effect with blit functions
12:35:45	wodz	amiconn: at 292Mhz I see the blob BUT it is on very light gray background and it has "ghost" with pure blank
12:36:28	amiconn	Then you're writing too fast for the controller
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12:37:19	amiconn	Either introduce some instructions between writes to increase delay, or alternatively increase the number of waitstates for the port
12:37:22	DA-Laptop	Is the current/voltage sent over USB to charge a device always the same?
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12:38:09	wodz	in test_grey I also have only odd numbered stripes of pixels (I mean every second of 8pix height is missing)
12:40:44	wodz	DA-Laptop: voltage is fixed at 5V, current is how much You take from port but within declared bonds
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12:47:06	Torne	DA-Laptop: Also, current isn't "sent", current is taken :)
12:47:16	DA-Laptop	Alright :P
12:47:29	Torne	(if the device tries to take too much then the hub will probably shut itself off for safety)
12:47:42	Torne	(which disables everything connected to it. very few hubs have per-port current limiters)
12:47:51	wodz	or burn down with smoke smell :-)
12:47:55	Torne	Well, yes :)
12:48:07	Torne	The spec says you are supposed to have a current limiter :
12:48:13	Torne	but "house fire" is the alternative
12:48:15	DA-Laptop	I was thinking of using a portable (battery) charger for my MP3 player. A buyer's comment says that one should be careful to get the voltage right
12:49:15	Torne	if your player is designed to charge from a USB connection then you need a charger which outputs a stable 5V regardless of load
12:49:22	Torne	otherwise you risk damaging it
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12:49:54	DA-Laptop	I always charge it from USB (because I can't find the normal charger), so I suppose it is :P
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13:06:52	amiconn	Torne: My el cheapo hub does have per-port overcurrent shutdown
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13:07:13	Torne	amiconn: i'm surprised, then :)
13:07:26	Torne	amiconn: a reasonable number of non-cheap devices i have don't ;)
13:08:06	amiconn	(4 port Transcend mini hub, the chip is a NEC)
13:08:27	wodz	amiconn: I increased waitstates to 12 for lcd port and nothing changed
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14:28:37	S_a_i_n_t	register with your full name FirstLast, then state your wiki username here and someone who is able to should be able to grant you access in a short while.
14:28:50	S_a_i_n_t	It must be your real name however.
14:29:06	ishottuify	i registered wikiname is VineetGeorge
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14:34:08	ishottuify	how will i know if someone has put me in the wikiusers group...?
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15:02:41	amiconn	wodz: Hmm, and you don't have problems with ordinary lcd updates?
15:03:13	S_a_i_n_t	Am I correct in thinking that r25774 now lets me specify my own version number by using "make VERSION=blah_version_blah"?
15:03:36	amiconn	Did you adjust the lcd update frequency in the greylib for hd200 (i.e. introduce the necessary section at the top)?
15:03:57	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: yep
15:04:08	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: no, wait
15:04:11	Torne	just for tcctool :)
15:04:15	wodz	amiconn: no
15:04:25	S_a_i_n_t	Ah...bugger.
15:04:35	S_a_i_n_t	Oh well.
15:05:04	wodz	amiconn: Yes I added define in greylib
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15:05:28	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: you can already specify a versoin to build the main build with..
15:05:34	S_a_i_n_t	The commit message isn't terribly explicit in that particular case...but the modified files should have given it away I guess.
15:05:45	mc2739	ishottuify: You now have write access to the wiki
15:05:56	wodz	ok, have to go
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15:06:34	S_a_i_n_t	Torne: I know how to do it by editing main.c ( S_a_i_n_t thinks that is the file...)
15:06:42	Torne	no, i mean by specifying VERSION
15:07:13	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...howso? I wan't aware of that.
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15:07:48	Torne	at least, it should work. i hate make.
15:08:03	S_a_i_n_t	Blue_Dude! Excellent...I finally caught you ;)
15:08:16	Blue_Dude	I didn't do it!
15:08:26	S_a_i_n_t	FS #11208 should go in IMO...
15:08:41	Blue_Dude	FS what? Oh wait. The keymap?
15:08:52	S_a_i_n_t	for the fact that, it actually works, as opposed to current SVN for iPod
15:08:59	S_a_i_n_t	yeppers, iPod keymap.
15:09:40	Blue_Dude	There were some objections to it. Pixelma and amiconn didn't like using a key release in the pre-condition.
15:09:57	Blue_Dude	I thought the fix was to modify the yesno screen.
15:10:02	Blue_Dude	But I don't have one.
15:10:02	S_a_i_n_t	It is still kinda hard to call the hotkey, but setting it is a million% easier with FS #11208
15:10:29	S_a_i_n_t	it doesn't just drop out of the yes/no screen immediately anymore
15:10:31	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: Yeah, setting VERSION just works. Yo ucan do that to any variable in make.
15:10:53	Torne	if you say make FOO=1 then any setting of FOO in the makefile is ignored and it uses your value.
15:11:13	Torne	Blue_Dude: Yes, I think we should modify the yesno screen anyway
15:11:15	Blue_Dude	That's the behavior that FS #11208 was supposed to fix. But it is unorthodox.
15:11:25	Torne	because touch-scroll wheel actions shouldn't be interpreted as "no"
15:11:29	Blue_Dude	Torne: I agree.
15:11:34	Torne	as a seperate issue
15:11:39	Torne	(but affecting the same code)
15:11:40	S_a_i_n_t	Torne: Awesome, thanks...I don;t have to edit main.c for to keep track of my custom builds anymore ;)
15:11:43	S_a_i_n_t	\0/
15:11:47	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: you never have :)
15:12:05	mc2739	S_a_i_n_t: r25774 just added that ability to tcctool
15:12:09	Blue_Dude	Well, a yesno fix would also make the keymap patch unnecessary.
15:12:19	S_a_i_n_t	Well..I thought I had to, I blame JdGordon lol...that's the way he told me how to do it :P
15:12:30	S_a_i_n_t	*editing main.c
15:12:56	*	JdGordon did what now?
15:13:32	S_a_i_n_t	Told me how to edit the version info by editing main.c
15:14:05	S_a_i_n_t	holding out on the easier way to do it eh? ;P
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15:14:15	JdGordon	of course!
15:14:27	*	S_a_i_n_t runs of sobbing...
15:14:31	S_a_i_n_t	*off
15:14:46	Torne	setting VERSION in make does a lot more than editing main.c, also
15:15:05	Torne	changes the version number seen by everything else as well, e.g. when writing rockbox-info.txt
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15:15:49	Torne	editing main.c will only change the version number displayed in various places :)
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15:15:53	S_a_i_n_t	editing VERSION in main.c changes rockbox.info also IIRC
15:16:08	Torne	no it doesn't.
15:16:27	Torne	changing something in a C source file can't possibly change what rockbox-info.txt gets
15:16:40	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...I wonder what else I changed then.
15:16:48	Torne	you probably edited Makefile
15:16:53	Torne	which is where the default VERSION gets set
15:16:58	Torne	(to whatever tools/version.sh returns)
15:17:11	Torne	that's equivalent to passing VERSION to make, either way works
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15:19:20	S_a_i_n_t	Blue_Dude: I respect that 11208 can't go into SVN for various reasons...but, it handles a /lot/ better than current svn.
15:19:26	Blue_Dude	On a completely different topic: I noticed that some plugins use the voice thread to insert audio. Metronome is one. Should this be the norm or should there be a dedicated channel for voice and another for sound effects? I'm leaning toward two or more mixer channels.
15:19:38	S_a_i_n_t	Well, I mean I actually use Hotkey now ;) Which is a plus.
15:20:07	Blue_Dude	S_a_i_n_t: So keep the patch until yesno is fixed. No charge!
15:20:23	S_a_i_n_t	How gracious of you :D
15:20:51	Torne	i can't find the FS# entry where someone had a patch to change yesno to ignore certain keys
15:20:58	Torne	if anyone else can find it, please tell me ;0
15:21:08	JdGordon	Blue_Dude: dedicated channels sounds better
15:21:12	JdGordon	did you fix the stuttering?
15:21:23	Blue_Dude	Yes, stuttering is fixed.
15:21:24	*	S_a_i_n_t is hopeless at finding patches on that tracker sometimes...I swear it's cursed.
15:21:38	Blue_Dude	I don't recall seeing a FS patch for yesno.
15:22:17	Blue_Dude	Torne: fml posted this: http://pastie.org/928381
15:22:41	Torne	Blue_Dude: No, the patch I am thinking of is nothing to do with the current problem
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15:22:46	Torne	and has existed for months/years maybe
15:23:05	Torne	someone specifically made a patch to allow certain keys to do nothing in the yesno screen, and added the ipod touchwheel scroll buttons to that
15:23:13	Torne	so that accidentally touching th etouchpad doesn't immediately say no
15:23:22	Torne	I was gonna sort it out and commit it in some form but i can't find it now ;)
15:23:27	Blue_Dude	JdGordon: I had to make the sim buffer really big to keep SDL from starving. So the latency is longer than the target. It doesn't stutter though.
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15:23:59	Blue_Dude	Torne: Never saw that patch, sorry. I'll await it with bated breath though.
15:24:21	JdGordon	Blue_Dude: ok cool
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15:24:44	Torne	how do we want yesno to actually work?
15:24:54	S_a_i_n_t	well?
15:24:56	Torne	if we just had an explicit mapping for all the buttons that mean "no" that would solve both problems :)
15:25:06	Torne	it would be bigger, i guess.
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15:25:16	Torne	and someone would have to make sure it was right for every target
15:25:21	Blue_Dude	That's a lot of combos though.
15:25:35	Torne	is it?
15:25:38	JdGordon	add a ACTION_YESNO_IGNOREPRESS action
15:25:49	Torne	JdGordon: yeah. there's a patch for that, as i said :)
15:25:51	Torne	but i can't find it
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15:26:28	Torne	would that actually solve the hotkey issue, though?
15:26:40	Torne	that's a fine approach for the touching-wheel-says-no issue :)
15:26:55	Torne	but is there a reasonable way to use that to ignore button releases?
15:27:04	JdGordon	oh come on.. we cant all be expected to fix more than 1 issue per change!
15:27:11	Torne	Hehe
15:27:20	Torne	Well, I'm trying to see if there's a way to solve both issues with one change :0
15:27:28	Torne	if not then fine
15:27:40	Torne	but they seem kinda.. related
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15:28:38	Blue_Dude	Torne: the hotkey issue is the yesno screen interpreting a key release as a "no" keypress. So have yesno ignore key releases and only interpret keypresses as "no".
15:29:12	S_a_i_n_t	Torne: I've tried SO many keywords that might possibly fit that patch you're talking about...but, buggered if I can find it though.
15:29:31	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: yeah. i tried that too
15:29:48	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: it's also not on my watchlist or my todolist textfile :)
15:29:52	S_a_i_n_t	Flyspray is cursed.
15:29:59	Torne	which seems odd because i definately intended to do something about it
15:30:00	S_a_i_n_t	;)
15:30:03	Blue_Dude	Tried searching closed items too?
15:30:51	Torne	Blue_Dude: fml's patch for button releases seems quite reasonable
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15:31:14	Blue_Dude	Torne: I saw it but didn't know what I was looking at. :(
15:31:36	Torne	did he comment on whether he thought it was committable?
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15:32:03	Blue_Dude	No, just posted the link. I bookmarked it but didn't know what to do with it.
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15:32:38	Blue_Dude	The post was here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100421#20:28:40
15:33:45	Torne	hm, isn't action_wait_for_release posisbly useful? :)
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15:34:18	Torne	(see end of action.c)
15:34:26	Torne	if it does what the comment says it does, it sounds.. highly relevant :0
15:36:42	Blue_Dude	Oh. Well, there you go.
15:39:19	Blue_Dude	Now make a similar flag to ignore scroll actions and we're onto something.
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15:46:26	b0hoon	hi, first of all sorry for my confusion and maybe a stupid questions, but i would like to release a bootloader for the vibe. Now - the bootloader for the vibe is generally a Portal Player bootloader, so should i tag it now as a v7.0, then compile it from the tagged version and upload it on the server?
15:46:34	b0hoon	But then the version will change for all the other targets too, unless it is not necessary to update every bootloader for every target on the server. Or should i just make the current version with VERSIOn=6.0 only?
15:48:20	kugel	you could do a 6.1 if contains no other changes than vibe support
15:48:41	kugel	(for vibe only)
15:49:01	JdGordon	b0hoon: bootloader versions are not kept in sync between targets
15:49:24	b0hoon	kugel: yes it doesnt contain any other changes, so make with VERSION=6.1 would be ok then?
15:49:25	kugel	I think for the PP bootloaders we hacked into some files, not the make VERSION=X approach (it may still work though)
15:50:05	kugel	did you change the branch/tag that exists for PP 6.0 or are going to build it from svn?
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15:50:55	b0hoon	kugel: i havent change anything yet
15:52:09	b0hoon	kugel: so there is no nedd to tag the bootloader if i understand correctly, only set the version during the compile?
15:52:17	b0hoon	*need
15:53:06	kugel	what do you mean by tag?
15:53:27	b0hoon	kugel: tagging it in svn
15:53:29	kugel	the 6.0 tag doesn't work for the vibe, does it?
15:54:42	b0hoon	kugel: probably not, i've uploaded some current version on the file server
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15:55:03	b0hoon	kugel: that was something like a month ago
15:55:49	kugel	you probably want to checkout the tack, merge the changes for vibe, and retag it as 6.1 (making clear somehow that it hasn't been tested on other PP devices and thus should only be used on the vibe)
15:56:11	kugel	but I can imagine it'll be quite a job to merge the changes, so it would probably easier to build it from svn and tag that as 6.1
15:57:18	b0hoon	kugel: aa, if you ask about the changes, it's in SVN already
15:57:29	linuxstb	I would just release it as 1.0 - that's what we normally call the first bootloader for a particular target, and this release isn't linked to the 6.0 PP release.
15:57:50	kugel	that'll work fine as well :)
15:58:01	b0hoon	i just didnt tagged it in svn as a release
15:58:17	linuxstb	The next version can always be 7.0 if we then want to sync with other PP targets.
15:58:19	Torne	if future releases of PP bootloaders in general are going ot include the vibe, then i think it should be the same numbering scheme, no?
15:59:39	b0hoon	ok, so which version of approach should i use?
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16:00:09	linuxstb	Torne: This release isn't part of the 6.0 release though - that's an old branch, b0hoon is working with trunk.
16:00:40	Torne	yeah.. but presumably at some point in the future there will be a 7.0 from trunk for all of them
16:00:44	*	kugel would prefer 6.1 but it hardly matters afterall
16:00:48	*	Torne shrugs
16:01:04	linuxstb	Torne: Yes, so we simply go 1.0 -> 7.0
16:01:16	b0hoon	tag as 1.0 - for the new target, tag as 7.0 portal players bootladers and then upload, or make verion=6.1 and upload
16:01:24	*	linuxstb shrugs as well - it's not a big deal...
16:03:17	kugel	b0hoon: I think you tag in any event, and only for the vibe not the other PP, the question is the particular version number
16:03:18	b0hoon	ok, so decision is in my hands :S ?
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16:03:46	b0hoon	kugel: that would be a 1.0 i think
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16:06:43	b0hoon	ok, so i'll read this discussion once again at home, and i'll try to do something usefull, thank you all
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16:30:53	criguid	hi, i'm a blind user, with a sansa clip+. I downloaded the bootloader, the rockbox build indicated in the port pages, but cannot find the voice files. I bought the reader since everything seems to work in the port on this player now. where can I find the voice files other than in the daily builds pages? tanks for all comments in advance!
16:32:20	Torne	i don't think voice files are being built for clip+ yes
16:32:38	Torne	because it's still categorised as unusable
16:32:41	Torne	i could be wrong though
16:33:37	bluebroth3r	Rockbox Utility can create voice files for the clip+. You might need sighted help to use that though, it's known to have issues with screen readers.
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16:34:11	criguid	Since all features seem to work for the port, I mean battery,fm radio, display etc I thought, when buying that voice files were available...
16:35:52	Torne	criguid: it's still categorised as unusable because it probably doesn't work reliably
16:36:08	Torne	write support exists now, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to crash horribly and eat your data
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16:38:12	criguid	I'm also willing to collaborate if I can help, I mean with voice support or bug spotting. I'm not a computer scientist by profession but have some basic knowledge
16:39:43	linuxstb	B4gder: Would you object to enabling voice file builds for the Clip+ (and perhaps some of the other more advanced "unusable" targets) ? Or is it designed to only build voice files for "unstable" or "stable" targets?
16:41:33	CIA-5	New commit by Blue_Dude (r25809): Make some internal things static, add logf line to sound.c
16:41:35	bluebroth3r	criguid: you could try to improve Rockbox Utility with regards to using with a screenreader and then use it to create voice files with the voice of your choice :)
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16:41:46	B4gder	I'm not sure exactly how it builds them atm, Zagor ?
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16:42:28	Zagor	it builds for all targets with status >= 2
16:43:02	CIA-5	New commit by Blue_Dude (r25810): Fix logf behavior in voice_thread.c
16:43:07	*	bluebroth3r wonders why the status isn't a string
16:43:27	Zagor	bluebroth3r: just for simplicity
16:43:38	linuxstb	bluebroth3r: Spot the C programmer...
16:44:09	Zagor	a string is more hassle, since you then have to compare for "either a or b"
16:44:36	ThomasAH	criguid: if you tell me which SVN revision you have and which language you need, I can compile the voice file for you. I'm using it for some time now. Only when using the FM radio, voice seems to be disabled afterwards
16:44:56	B4gder	Zagor: you can make the strings "3stable" and "2unstable" ;-P
16:45:04	*	B4gder ducks
16:45:06	bluebroth3r	Zagor: true :)
16:45:12	Zagor	yay :)
16:45:32	criguid	I can try to operate the utility, though not being a programmer I cannot make it usable with screen readers. What I can do with my knowledge is asc a sighted friend to help me in creating the voice files, but if they where available at the same time with a build it would be much easyer for me and other blind users to give it a try and report bugs
16:45:33	linuxstb	"Stable", "Unstable" and "Unusable" sort into that order...
16:46:24	criguid	thanks,
16:46:25	Zagor	linuxstb: right, but "if ($status < 'Unusable')" isn't exactly making the code easier :-)
16:47:11	criguid	apologize for any double entries, but firefox with my screen readers doesn't work terribly with this web-client
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16:48:58	criguid	I just downloaded the rockbox.zip file from the port page where it explains all the procedures to make the bootloader etc, but Maybe I can check inside the zip file if there is a svn number somewhere.
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16:50:12	bluebroth3r	criguid: check for the file .rockbox/rockbox-info.txt
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16:55:50	criguid	Target: sansaclipplus Target id: 66 Target define: -DSANSA_CLIPPLUS Memory: 8 CPU: arm Manufacturer: as3525 Version: r25807-100504 Binary: rockbox.sansa Binary size: 479796 Actual size: 479788 RAM usage: 738324 Features: crossfade:dircache:flash_storage:lcd_bitmap:lcd_flip:lcd_invert:pitchscreen:multivolume:quickscreen:radio:recording:recording_swcodec:recording_mic:rtc:swcodec:tagcache:tc_ramcache:charging:usb_power:large_plugin_buffer gcc: arm-elf-gcc (
16:57:09	criguid	language english or Italian, my mother tongue, but for the moment EN is fine!
16:57:42	criguid	should I download a more recent svn build to give it a try?
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17:00:49	bluebroth3r	this is a rather recent build −− it's from today, and there are currently only 3 more changes in svn
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17:02:47	criguid	OK; I can give you a mail address for the voice files or if you put them on an ftp or repository I can go and grab them
17:03:08	ThomasAH	criguid: compiling first voice file now ... the version I use is two days older and works fine (except for not having write support, this was added today)
17:03:27	ThomasAH	criguid: I can put it on an ftp/http server
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17:06:28	ThomasAH	criguid: http://ftp.intevation.de/users/thomas/ (both english and italiano)
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17:07:37	ThomasAH	criguid: I used espeak with languages "en-us+f4" and "it+f4", so voice files provided on rockbox.org will probably sound different
17:08:22	criguid	thanks! I wil try to copy paste the url from the chat and see... in the next few days I can give some impressions on voice problems or general problems or strange behaviour.
17:08:46	criguid	is this the right place to do it?
17:09:11	criguid	I mean I don't want to annoy you with off topic issues
17:09:14	ThomasAH	criguid: I don't know, I'm not a rockbox developer
17:09:51	ThomasAH	criguid: I think it is on-topic here, but if you want to report bugs, the bug tracker might have a more permanent way to report problems
17:10:11	bluebroth3r	criguid: this channel is for development and support issues. So it's at least not completely off. You might get directed to the tracker when it comes to actual bugs
17:10:27	criguid	did you use my version to build the voice files did you?
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17:12:49	criguid	ok, downloaded thanks!
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17:13:49	criguid	where can I keep track of daily improvements and eventually asc for more updatet voice files if the changes are interesting to try a new build?
17:15:08	AlexP	criguid: all svn commits appear on the front page, there is also a mailing list that sends you a mail on every commit
17:15:30	AlexP	criguid: http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox-cvs
17:15:32	Torne	the daily improvements are not described in a form that's really easy for end users to understand, however
17:15:37	AlexP	This is true
17:15:42	AlexP	But that is all there is :)
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17:59:12	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: http://pastebin.com/YPhA9KCF
17:59:19	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: try that instead of the keymap change for the ipod hotkey issue
17:59:41	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: i've not tried it but it should in theory make yesno throw away spurious releases
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18:58:22	kisak_	hi guys, I was looking at the gentoo section of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CrossCompiler and gcc 4.0.3 is no longer in gentoo portage, I'm getting 4.0.4 right now and I was wondering if it was safe to bump the version in the wiki
18:58:33	kisak_	4.0.3 -> 4.0.4
18:58:57	Torne	kisak_: No, it's not.
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18:59:09	Torne	You should use rockboxdev.sh to automatically build the toolchain
18:59:16	Torne	or else follow the manual instructions exactly
18:59:36	Torne	we don't support any other toolchain versions; these are the ones that are tested and patched and that we know produce efficient code
18:59:44	Torne	you don't need to get gcc from portage anyway..
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18:59:51	Torne	it is linked from the wiki page
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19:00:41	Torne	the gentoo instructions there seem.. really dumb
19:01:05	Torne	nobody should be doing that.
19:01:34	kisak_	ok, then perhaps it's ok to leave a note in the gentoo section thet this method is not recommended?
19:02:21	Torne	probably best to just remove it unless someone knows a good reason why anyone would want to do it that way
19:02:27	Torne	it's not been touched since 2007
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20:34:05	kugel	linuxstb, gevaerts: you wanted to look at my patches? :)
20:34:56	gevaerts	kugel: I don't necessarily want to ;)
20:35:05	*	gevaerts does have a bit of time now though
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20:39:13	gevaerts	kugel: have you checked the binsize effects of the open/creat thing?
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20:50:57	kugel	fuze
20:51:09	gevaerts	32 bytes on player
20:51:26	kugel	yea, that souns about right
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20:51:49	gevaerts	that's probably something that won't get you killed
20:51:49	kugel	caused by the open wrapper for plugins
20:55:50	gevaerts	yes, that can't really be helped, although probably it wouldn't be impossible to move the wrapper to the pluginlib
20:55:59	gevaerts	Definitely not worth the effort though
20:56:39	kugel	i agree
20:58:42	gevaerts	I think the changes are fine, at least for creat/open. I haven't looked very deeply at the big libc move yet
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22:47:53	CIA-5	New commit by alle (r25813): Fix typos in the comment
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22:50:02	fml	Torne: Blu_Dude: Hello. I've read your today's conversation. I don't know whether the patch I've posted on pastebin is committable since I couldn't test it. I don't own an ipod.
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22:52:02	fml	But while trying to reproduce the problem on e200 sim, I've experinced another interesting case. I went into the context menu and long pressed (and didn't release) the rec key, which, as I hoped, would reproduc the problem (long press -> hotkey menu -> key release). But this didn't happen.
22:53:55	fml	Instead, the menu was just left without doing anything. And the reason was that long rec on e200 should get you directly to the recording screen. So if you long press rec, the menu code returns GOTO_REC (or what's the name?). And that case dos nothing in the further code in that context.
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23:02:35	CIA-5	New commit by alle (r25814): Fix typos in the comment (now in .c)
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23:14:11	b0hoon	Bagder: ping
23:14:23	*	Bagder stands up straight
23:14:36	b0hoon	Hello. Could you replace the bootloader on the server for the vibe, please? :)
23:15:11	b0hoon	Bagder: i'll send it to you
23:15:20	Bagder	sure!
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23:19:15	b0hoon	Bagder: sent, however it may land in the basket because of my mailbox
23:19:28	Bagder	got it fine
23:19:54	b0hoon	Bagder: thank you
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23:21:22	Bagder	should be available from the download mirrors within an hour
23:21:47	b0hoon	Bagder: thanks again :)
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23:27:31	kisak	Torne: it's not my place to throw out the information on gentoo's crossdev, I've put a warning on it to the sheeple
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