| 00:00:15 | pixelma | 1.2.9 here too (also cygwin) |
| 00:02:58 | Blue_Dude | pixelma: I think we're getting hosed. |
| 00:03:00 | funman | hm on clip+ the battery voltage doesn't change with charger plugged, but the % is lower: 100% unplugged, 96% plugged (and it is charging) |
| 00:03:52 | CIA-5 | New commit by kugel (r26123): A bit further cleanup in system-sdl.c. |
| 00:04:16 | funman | ah i know why |
| 00:05:05 | kugel | funman: the battery is full but the charging curve not up to date? |
| 00:05:35 | funman | yeah |
| 00:05:55 | funman | the clipv1 curves aren't good |
| 00:06:49 | funman | the charging one at least |
| 00:07:02 | funman | it wants to charge higher to what it can do |
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| 00:09:46 | funman | do we make a new release of mkamsboot for USB on clip+ (and on all fuzev2), or we wait for the 2 USB drivers in progress ? |
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| 00:14:03 | Blue_Dude | kugel: latest commits compile w/o warnings in Cygwin. Thanks. |
| 00:14:15 | kugel | cool |
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| 00:57:31 | ssorgatem_ | My fuzev2 seems to be dead |
| 00:57:41 | ssorgatem_ | i just updated to latest svn |
| 00:57:57 | ssorgatem_ | powered it off while connected to usb |
| 00:57:57 | funman | did you change bootloader? |
| 00:57:59 | ssorgatem_ | then |
| 00:58:05 | ssorgatem_ | I powered it on |
| 00:58:29 | ssorgatem_ | it showed for a moment a picture of a usb cable, then the screen has gone black |
| 00:58:34 | saratoga | if you didn't change the bootloader, then just hold power for a while until it reboots |
| 00:58:38 | ssorgatem_ | I have the botloader version 2 |
| 00:58:52 | ssorgatem_ | but I have it since a few days now |
| 00:58:58 | saratoga | if you did change the bootloader and powered it off while connected, then that could have broken it |
| 00:59:05 | ssorgatem_ | no, no |
| 00:59:13 | saratoga | then you're fine |
| 00:59:20 | ssorgatem_ | IO just replaced the .rockbox folder |
| 00:59:30 | funman | ssorgatem_: remember, your fuze can't detect USB |
| 00:59:45 | funman | it was the same for my clip+ before i change mkamsboot, instead of rebooting it would just power off |
| 00:59:51 | ssorgatem_ | funman: Now it does |
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| 01:00:11 | ssorgatem_ | funman: it powers off when usb i connected |
| 01:00:19 | ssorgatem_ | funman: it didn't until now |
| 01:01:41 | funman | yeah |
| 01:01:58 | funman | hold on let me give you a patch for mkamsboot |
| 01:02:13 | ssorgatem_ | funman: is it normal that after connecting it to usb it won't turn on after holding the power button for a long time and then trying again? |
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| 01:02:32 | funman | try holding the button longer (20 secs) |
| 01:02:46 | ssorgatem_ | funman: yes, it works, but |
| 01:02:58 | ssorgatem_ | what i don't understand is that |
| 01:03:04 | ssorgatem_ | if it's been powered off |
| 01:03:15 | funman | ssorgatem_: the piece of code in mkamsboot can't detect USB (yet) |
| 01:03:17 | ssorgatem_ | why doesn't it power on normaly? |
| 01:03:32 | ssorgatem_ | funman: ok |
| 01:04:07 | ssorgatem_ | i'm just curious |
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| 01:05:09 | funman | ssorgatem_: do you still have the patch for mkamsboot which works for you ? |
| 01:05:46 | ssorgatem_ | funman: of course |
| 01:06:38 | funman | can you paste it again? |
| 01:06:56 | ssorgatem_ | yes, i'm sorting itout |
| 01:07:22 | ssorgatem_ | there was only one file modfied, roght? only duaboot.S |
| 01:07:25 | ssorgatem_ | right* |
| 01:07:48 | funman | yep |
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| 01:08:39 | ssorgatem_ | funman: here it is: http://pastie.org/964659 |
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| 01:10:41 | funman | hmm didn't you test one which used the left key and not the center one ? |
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| 01:11:30 | funman | well i have a fuzev2, i'll try first |
| 01:11:50 | ssorgatem_ | funman: that one used both |
| 01:11:58 | funman | ah right |
| 01:12:14 | funman | and left works fine, right? |
| 01:12:20 | ssorgatem_ | funman: right |
| 01:13:29 | ssorgatem_ | BTW, I've found another picky fuzev2 like mine |
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| 01:14:18 | ssorgatem_ | my girlfriend's fuzev2 won't boot rockbox with normal mkamsboot-created bootloaders |
| 01:15:08 | ssorgatem_ | So, i'm not alone after all :) |
| 01:15:25 | funman | ssorgatem_: http://pastie.org/964668 (works for me) |
| 01:16:17 | ssorgatem_ | wow, this one is far bigger |
| 01:16:37 | funman | well yeah but don't worry |
| 01:16:58 | kisak | hazzah, I got my Fusev2 to crash for the first time |
| 01:17:22 | kisak | in doom, I tried to save |
| 01:25:35 | ssorgatem_ | upgrading firmware... |
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| 01:27:13 | funman | hm sokoban is > 64k, but the .rock is 11k |
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| 01:27:35 | funman | 56k of bss |
| 01:28:49 | ssorgatem_ | booting rockbox takes longer |
| 01:28:50 | ssorgatem_ | and |
| 01:28:50 | ssorgatem_ | plugin the usb cable justs powers off the player |
| 01:28:51 | DBUG | Sent KICK ssorgatem_ to server |
| 01:28:51 | ssorgatem_ | mm |
| 01:28:51 | ssorgatem_ | the longer boot time may be unrelated |
| 01:28:51 | Kick | (#rockbox ssorgatem_ :No flooding!) by logbot!~rockbox@giant.haxx.se |
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| 01:29:25 | funman | ssorgatem_: yes it's a bit longer it's normal |
| 01:29:37 | funman | what happens if you power the fuzev2 off, and plug usb ? |
| 01:29:38 | ssorgatem_ | lol, logbot expulsed me |
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| 01:29:46 | ssorgatem_ | let's try |
| 01:30:12 | ssorgatem_ | funman: rockbox boots, then powers off |
| 01:30:33 | funman | damned |
| 01:30:51 | ssorgatem_ | funman: it's quick, but I can see a usb image in rockbox just before it powers off |
| 01:30:57 | funman | can you change the "mov r1, #0x80000" in the diff in "mov r1, #0x100000" ? |
| 01:31:10 | ssorgatem_ | whic line? |
| 01:31:12 | funman | to test you just need to power the fuzev2 with usb, no need to use rockbox |
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| 01:31:21 | funman | 272 |
| 01:31:32 | funman | it will make the delay twice longer |
| 01:31:41 | funman | without the delay it didn't work on my clip+ |
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| 01:33:13 | EpicHomework | question: I have my music on a micro SD card, would it be possible to have the album covers on the device's memory? |
| 01:33:30 | funman | no |
| 01:33:38 | EpicHomework | no? :( |
| 01:34:08 | ssorgatem_ | EpicHomework: anyways, what sense would it make? |
| 01:34:28 | EpicHomework | I don't want to use the space on the micro SD with album covers |
| 01:34:29 | funman | saratoga: it's possible to reduce the size of some tables in apps/plugins/mp3_encoder.c but i get crappy encoding, perhaps because of changed signs |
| 01:35:25 | EpicHomework | so there's absolutely no way it's possible? |
| 01:36:55 | ssorgatem_ | EpicHomework: I can't see any way it would be possible |
| 01:37:14 | EpicHomework | so the album covers have to be in the same folder as the music? |
| 01:37:25 | ssorgatem_ | I think so |
| 01:37:37 | EpicHomework | well shoot |
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| 01:37:59 | EpicHomework | thanks anyway, this is a GREAT project |
| 01:38:23 | ssorgatem_ | anyways, compared to music, a few little jpgs aren't such a great waste of space, no? |
| 01:38:43 | EpicHomework | how much space do you think about 250 jpgs would take? |
| 01:38:55 | ssorgatem_ | very little |
| 01:39:12 | ssorgatem_ | much less than 50 mp3 |
| 01:39:47 | EpicHomework | I have an 8GB micro SD, already have 777 songs on it, plus around 1.5GB of data I need on it |
| 01:40:44 | krazykit | actually, it can be on the device itself |
| 01:41:01 | krazykit | see appendix C of the manual |
| 01:41:04 | EpicHomework | the album covers krazykit? |
| 01:41:38 | krazykit | yep. C.3 shows exactly where you can place cover art |
| 01:42:02 | EpicHomework | "or in a fixed directory named /.rockbox/albumart/. " |
| 01:42:06 | EpicHomework | AWESOME! :D |
| 01:42:32 | * | ssorgatem_ should read the whole manual |
| 01:42:51 | ssorgatem_ | funman: It doesn't work |
| 01:42:58 | EpicHomework | no worries, that's why there's not only one person here :P |
| 01:43:01 | kisak | yes, and memorize it so that you can quote revisions that noone can remember |
| 01:43:05 | funman | ssorgatem_: the delay is just longer then ? |
| 01:43:25 | funman | can you try one last time with #0x200000 ? |
| 01:43:29 | ssorgatem_ | funman: where should I notice it? |
| 01:43:35 | ssorgatem_ | ok |
| 01:43:40 | funman | just that it takes longer to boot |
| 01:46:00 | ssorgatem_ | funman: it doesn't take longer to boot |
| 01:46:18 | funman | did you run make -C dualboot ; make to rebuild mkamsboot ? |
| 01:46:25 | ssorgatem_ | funman: but I think it takes longer to poweroff |
| 01:46:36 | ssorgatem_ | funman: yes |
| 01:48:03 | ssorgatem_ | funman: oh, wait |
| 01:48:16 | ssorgatem_ | funman: I'm getting a warniing while compiling: |
| 01:48:41 | ssorgatem_ | funman: no, it's not a warning |
| 01:48:48 | ssorgatem_ | funman: it's an error |
| 01:48:54 | ssorgatem_ | funman: dualboot_fuzev2.o: In function `fw_copy': |
| 01:49:05 | ssorgatem_ | funman: dualboot.S:(.text+0x164): undefined reference to `CGU_PROC' |
| 01:49:18 | funman | ssorgatem_: svn up |
| 01:50:01 | ssorgatem_ | funman: oops, that fixes it |
| 01:50:13 | funman | just try with the first delay then |
| 01:50:30 | funman | #0x80000 |
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| 01:52:07 | funman | i take it from the sokoban.c comments that the code is less than 16kb on SH, but it's 47k on ARM :o |
| 01:53:05 | ssorgatem_ | funman: finally |
| 01:53:13 | ssorgatem_ | funman: IT WORKS! |
| 01:53:18 | funman | good ;) |
| 01:53:34 | ssorgatem_ | funman: thank you :) |
| 01:53:43 | EpicHomework | I found a typo in the manual appendix C for Sansa e200v2 |
| 01:53:44 | funman | you're welcome, tahnks for testing |
| 01:54:08 | EpicHomework | last paragraph says "single qutoes", should be "single quotes" |
| 01:55:26 | funman | EpicHomework: fixing it |
| 01:55:42 | EpicHomework | alright, hope I'm helping and not seeming like a pest XD |
| 01:57:28 | * | ssorgatem_ is going to sleep with his now usb-detecting rockboxed fuzev2 |
| 01:57:48 | * | EpicHomework <3's Rockbox |
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| 02:11:00 | CIA-5 | New commit by mc2739 (r26124): Fix typo |
| 02:11:11 | funman | amiconn: with plugin buffer of 0x28000, midi.rock doesn't build, with 0x20000, mp3_encoder doesn't, with 0x18000 fft doesn't. If i disable those i can make the buffer 64kB |
| 02:11:43 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26125): Fuzev2: use enrd0 for USB detection, GPIO didn't work on some models |
| 02:13:05 | ssorgatem_ | funman: In the README of mkamsboot, wouldn't it be better to use the firmware filenames without the "a", so they would retain the installed firmware region configuration? |
| 02:13:50 | funman | dunno, i always tested with those filenames |
| 02:14:35 | funman | the of always ask me my language & region when upgrading |
| 02:14:37 | ssorgatem_ | funman: for fuzev2, fuzp.bin works |
| 02:15:39 | ssorgatem_ | funman: anyways, it isn't important |
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| 02:16:19 | ssorgatem_ | with rockbox, who cares of OF? |
| 02:16:47 | kisak | ssorgatem_: we do ... for benchmarking |
| 02:19:39 | kisak | I can't seem to find any other reason though |
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| 03:18:24 | kisak | hmm ... the boot OF on home key doesn't work on my Fuze v2 |
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| 03:37:24 | saratoga | funman: never looked at the mp3 encoder, do you have a patch? |
| 03:42:25 | saratoga | we still compile the old mdct even though we don't use it |
| 03:46:35 | kisak | funman turned in for the night |
| 03:48:50 | saratoga | is there define to check if we're in rockbox ? |
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| 07:06:43 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon; Which theme? Is this people asking for help re: FMS now? |
| 07:07:36 | JdGordon | just one in the forums |
| 07:08:38 | S_a_i_n_t | BTW, I'm a little bit bugged by "Settings/Theme Settings/FM Radio" it just doesn't seem to fit right. "FM Radio Screen" perhaps is better? |
| 07:08:50 | S_a_i_n_t | No, "FM Radio Skin" seems to work better IMO |
| 07:09:33 | JdGordon | yeah, but meh :) |
| 07:09:42 | S_a_i_n_t | just "FM Radio" doesn't imply it is a theme option at all...it's more like the title of the Radio itself. |
| 07:10:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Surely it's not *that* hard to change? I think "FM Radio Skin" works better, seeing as the .ext is FMS anyway. |
| 07:10:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Just my two cents worth ;) |
| 07:11:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Skin/Screen...either works. |
| 07:13:06 | JdGordon | what else could it be if it is under the theme settings?! |
| 07:13:13 | JdGordon | and lang changes are annoying to push through' |
| 07:15:23 | pixelma | I agree with S_a_i_n_t though and said so while testing the patch. I'd suggest "FM Screen" or maybe "Radio Screen" just like there is a "While Playing Screen" |
| 07:15:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I realise it's in the theme settings, so it's kinda obvious that it's the themeing option for the Radio Screen, but I just seem to find that "FM Radio" sticks out of that menu like a sore thumb. |
| 07:16:58 | * | JdGordon doent care either way, if someone else does the change |
| 07:18:26 | * | S_a_i_n_t looks in pixelma's direction..."FM Radio Screen" then? |
| 07:21:47 | pixelma | maybe just "Radio Screen" would be better since some D2s have DAB... |
| 07:22:11 | * | S_a_i_n_t can dig that. |
| 07:22:12 | pixelma | it probably isn't supported yet in Rockbox but |
| 07:22:48 | JdGordon | DAB is still over fm isnt it? |
| 07:24:33 | * | JdGordon retracts that staement |
| 07:25:15 | JdGordon | anyway... it would be really nice to have cabbie+fm for the next release which is 4 weeks away or so? |
| 07:26:05 | pixelma | ok, maybe the argument wasn't a very strong one but I just though "FM Radio Screen" sounded a bit more complicated than my two suggestions |
| 07:27:31 | pixelma | JdGordon: what changes would need to be done outside emglish.lang to change the string (make it use a different one)? |
| 07:28:13 | JdGordon | if the LANG_ value doesnt change, nothing |
| 07:30:20 | pixelma | but it should change for the radio screen so there still is a string "FM Radio" for the main menu and a different one "Radio Screen" in theme settings, I would think (or I'm misunderstanding what you mean with that) |
| 07:31:20 | JdGordon | then yes, add a new string and then in menus/theme_settings.c just change that to the new one |
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| 08:08:07 | Strife89 | I.e., is it possible that I merely need to enable something and compile? |
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| 09:07:11 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r26127): This change wasn't supposed to be in there yet. |
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| 09:19:27 | Zagor | yay, gcc 2.95. |
| 09:20:14 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r26129): And of course the stubs still need to be there... |
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| 09:27:09 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r26131): Ok, this time I double-checked for warnings... |
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| 09:46:23 | Luca_S | Hello everyone. I have a question (FuzeV2). Is it safe for the battery to let it play while recharging? |
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| 10:15:54 | funman | Luca_S: charging should work but i'm not 100% sure if it stops when finished, I'm working on this |
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| 10:16:33 | Luca_S | i'll try and i'll keep an eye on it by watching the battery screen |
| 10:16:43 | Luca_S | which value should be the upper threshold? |
| 10:16:54 | funman | around 4.2V |
| 10:18:18 | linuxstb | Strife89: No, there is no formatting code in Rockbox. The idea of a disk partitioning/formatting plugin has been discussed a few times, but no-one has implemented it. |
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| 10:18:59 | kugel | funman: I'm not a fan of FS #11288 |
| 10:19:20 | funman | me neither |
| 10:19:34 | Luca_S | ok. currenty at 4.005V |
| 10:19:37 | kugel | I also can't imagine it works well |
| 10:19:44 | funman | i would store ticks one by one but keep TIMER precision |
| 10:20:11 | kugel | the nano2g port has shown that tick resolution is not enough for isq-based scrollwheel handling |
| 10:21:08 | funman | right, it's like we jump from 2-4 ms to 0-20ms |
| 10:21:49 | funman | i didn't test the patch but i can't imagine it doesnt' change the behaviour drasticalyl |
| 10:22:37 | kugel | funman: current svn stores the tick |
| 10:23:06 | funman | yes but it overflows |
| 10:23:10 | kugel | it handles timer wraps by adding current_tick*factor |
| 10:23:25 | kugel | it does? |
| 10:23:35 | funman | that's what he was saying on the forum |
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| 10:24:40 | kugel | ah, it's possible that it overflows indeed |
| 10:27:53 | kugel | after about 23 minutes |
| 10:28:23 | funman | i think mp3_encoder doesnt' like mono |
| 10:29:31 | pixelma | is that what the recording screen uses? |
| 10:29:58 | funman | ah no it doesn't like 22.05kHz input it seems |
| 10:30:10 | kugel | funman: timer wrap could be handled differently if the current_tick mechanism is overflow prone |
| 10:30:10 | pixelma | I didn't have problems doing a mic recording with my c200 recently |
| 10:30:19 | funman | pixelma: no, but i believe both the recording encoder & the plugin use the same code base |
| 10:30:37 | pixelma | an mp3 recording |
| 10:30:43 | * | kugel slaps forhead |
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| 10:31:41 | kugel | funman: what just comes into my mind: the reason for the weird wheel behavior could be caused by the fact that the timer counts *down*, I think I coded it thinking it counts up |
| 10:31:43 | pixelma | IIRC recording with mic on c200 is limited to mono and 22.05kHz |
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| 10:33:01 | funman | correction: mono@44.1kHz doesn't work either, so the problem is mono |
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| 10:34:25 | funman | pixelma: rockbox fakes stereo by duplicating the mono channel into the silenced one |
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| 10:34:54 | n1s | funman: there's a bug report about the mp3_encoder and mono |
| 10:35:00 | funman | kugel: ah indeed |
| 10:35:37 | funman | n1s: ok, i just want to save some binsize in this plugin |
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| 10:36:20 | n1s | funman: it doesn't fit on the clip? |
| 10:36:20 | kugel | in fact, adding then current_tick*factor (which does count up) could make it even worser |
| 10:36:30 | funman | it does but i'm trying to reduce the buffer |
| 10:37:19 | n1s | funman: also, i *think* the agreed on ultimate goal is to make a transcoder or encoder plugin that uses the encoder codecs instead of having a separate mp3 encoder plugin |
| 10:37:32 | n1s | so i hope you don't put too much effort into it |
| 10:37:55 | n1s | I'd even say that disabling that one plugin if it's the one holding you back is fine |
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| 10:40:31 | amiconn | funman: midi.rock is probably not very useful on the clip anyway, because it needs the audio buffer for loading instruments. I guess that the clip's audio buffer isn't sufficient |
| 10:41:17 | funman | hmm mp3_encoder sucks on the sim |
| 10:42:22 | funman | i guess it only likes stereo@44.1kHz |
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| 10:43:46 | wodz | is there a way to compile only test_* plugins? |
| 10:45:03 | funman | no, unless you build them explicitely (make $PWD/apps/plugins/test_XXX.rock) |
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| 10:52:44 | Luca_S | gh my scrollwheel froze too :) |
| 10:59:10 | funman | please someone test http://pastie.org/965150 on target, works fine in sim |
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| 11:03:43 | funman | reclaims an incredible 1052 bytes :'( |
| 11:04:32 | funman | it's 134.2kB |
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| 11:15:10 | funman | i can remove all the _const variables + memcpy |
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| 11:20:30 | pamaury | funman: do you want that I commit my usb work ? |
| 11:20:45 | funman | sure, commit often, commit early |
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| 11:27:55 | funman | now mp3_encoder is 16.7kB less |
| 11:28:49 | markun | pamaury: is USB for the AS3525v2 completely different from the v1? |
| 11:28:52 | markun | funman: nice |
| 11:29:06 | pamaury | markun: yes |
| 11:29:26 | markun | pamaury: and do we have documentation for it? |
| 11:29:56 | pamaury | funman: do you want to keep USB_HANDLE_BY_OF or do I define USE_ROCKBOX_USB, I don't know the difference |
| 11:30:03 | * | pixelma wonders if there could also be an mp3_encoder for hwcodec (and if it's worth making it an overlay plugin for the small RAM Sansas) |
| 11:30:15 | pamaury | markun: I have a linux patch but that's not a specification for sure ! |
| 11:30:23 | funman | pamaury: if it doesn't work keep USB_HANDLED_BY_OF defined and USE_ROCKBOX_USB undefined |
| 11:30:25 | markun | pamaury: but still helpful |
| 11:30:39 | funman | USB_HANDLED_BY_OF just disables code which checks modifications of rockbox.sansa |
| 11:30:52 | funman | if USE_ROCKBOX_USB is undefined the players reboot on usb insert |
| 11:30:59 | wodz | please have a look at FS #11289 is it ok for You? |
| 11:31:14 | pamaury | ah, do we want it to reboot ? |
| 11:31:24 | Luca_S | the debug > battery graph shows a plateau at 4.180V, but the second screen still says Charging... |
| 11:32:33 | funman | Luca_S: if you unplug the cable what's the voltage? |
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| 11:33:16 | Luca_S | first screen: 4.180 - second screen 4.124-4.134 |
| 11:33:45 | Luca_S | (uhm, the first screen seems like a "delayed-averaged" reading of the second?) |
| 11:34:15 | funman | i think 2nd one is instant value |
| 11:34:29 | funman | my clipv1 charges really slowly |
| 11:34:48 | mitk | funman: > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg166991#msg166991 |
| 11:35:01 | funman | how do we determine if we use 100/200 or 300mA current for charging? |
| 11:35:24 | funman | mitk: what's the voltage if you unplug? |
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| 11:37:26 | mitk | 4.172 after 15 minutes playback. I disconnected it 15 minutes ago |
| 11:38:05 | wodz | funman: stabilized DC power supply with current measure? |
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| 11:43:53 | pamaury | funman: when I define USE_ROCKBOX_USB, I get an error on AS3525_PPLB_something, is it normal ? |
| 11:44:07 | funman | no |
| 11:44:38 | funman | you're using CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_AS3525 ?. |
| 11:44:54 | kugel | you guys got usb to work? |
| 11:45:52 | pamaury | funman: no, I'm using CONFIG_USBOTG = USBOTG_AS3525v2 |
| 11:46:18 | pamaury | here is the error: |
| 11:46:19 | pamaury | /home/pamaury/project/rockbox/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/as3525/system-as3525.c:330: error: ‘AS3525_PLLB_SETTING’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 11:48:13 | funman | the bss of mp3_encoder is 85kB, how can i see what use all this place ? |
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| 11:48:47 | funman | the IBSS stuff adds up to 20kB |
| 11:49:33 | funman | pamaury: hmm we should enable the pllb only when usb is active, and only on as3525v1 |
| 11:50:00 | pamaury | so I should protect that with a #if CONFIG_CPU == AS3525 ? |
| 11:50:06 | funman | yep |
| 11:50:15 | pamaury | it's already in: |
| 11:50:15 | pamaury | #if defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB) || (AS3525_MCLK_SEL == AS3525_CLK_PLLB) |
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| 11:50:34 | funman | it's enabled even if i don't plug usb |
| 11:50:52 | funman | ranma: ^ |
| 11:51:57 | pamaury | do I let you fix that and commit with USE_ROCKBOX_USB disabled for now ? |
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| 11:52:21 | funman | i have a dirty tree, just add (defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB) && CONFIG_CPU==AS3525) |
| 11:53:16 | pamaury | ok |
| 11:53:26 | funman | static uint32_t enc_buffer[16384]; /* storage for 65536 Bytes */ |
| 11:53:34 | funman | ah it's there :P |
| 11:55:24 | n1s | funman: it seems mp3_encoder doesn't steal the audio buffer, maybe doing that to get rid of some static bss arrays would help? |
| 11:55:37 | n1s | like that ^^ one f. e. |
| 11:57:12 | funman | sure |
| 11:58:54 | CIA-5 | New commit by pamaury (r26132): as3525v2: add usb driver stub, enable usb phy&core init ... |
| 11:59:17 | pamaury | here we go, hope I didn't break too many targets :) |
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| 12:01:21 | funman | http://pastie.org/965217 <- works fine on sim, 81kB smaller |
| 12:02:34 | funman | hm clipv1 is only charged at 5% after 3 hours |
| 12:02:51 | funman | perhaps 100mA isn't enough ? |
| 12:02:53 | pamaury | I'm a bit confused. How can my commit reduce binsize... ? |
| 12:03:03 | linuxstb | n1s: Does the mp3 encoder currently work at the same time as playback on some targets? |
| 12:03:32 | n1s | linuxstb: i don't know but i suppose so... |
| 12:03:39 | funman | pamaury: see config.h diff |
| 12:03:51 | pamaury | hehe |
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| 12:04:08 | funman | linuxstb: yes it must work, although i don't know how 2 intensive tasks go together |
| 12:04:13 | n1s | linuxstb: ah, no, it steals the codec iram |
| 12:04:16 | linuxstb | n1s: I imagine that could be useful. Although to be honest, people should be using LAME on their PC... |
| 12:04:33 | CIA-5 | New commit by pamaury (r26133): config: revert an embarrassing change. |
| 12:04:41 | funman | n1s: ah plugins can't use iram while a codec is running, right? |
| 12:04:47 | n1s | funman: nope |
| 12:05:10 | n1s | at least on targets that use iram, i don't know what happens on the other targets |
| 12:06:12 | funman | plugin_iram_init -> audio_hard_stop() |
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| 12:09:01 | funman | on other targets nothing happens, codec continue |
| 12:09:30 | funman | works fine |
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| 12:11:42 | wodz | no objections for FS #11289 ? |
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| 12:12:05 | funman | wodz: nope |
| 12:12:16 | wodz | good |
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| 12:12:25 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26134): mp3_encoder: reduce plugin binsize ... |
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| 12:14:17 | CIA-5 | New commit by wodz (r26135): Add memset/memcpy benches to test_mem plugin |
| 12:17:45 | wodz | r26134 is screaming for fix red |
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| 12:18:03 | funman | oops thanks |
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| 12:23:34 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26136): mp3_encoder: fix a typo, put uninitialized variable in BSS |
| 12:23:52 | funman | huhu midi crashes the sim |
| 12:33:54 | funman | hm my clip doesn't charge with OF either, perhaps i did a mistake when resoldering the battery |
| 12:35:04 | kugel | funman: another dead clip on your acccount? |
| 12:35:09 | funman | no it still works |
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| 12:42:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: The SDL.h and SDL_thread.h issue might depend on the sdl version |
| 12:42:16 | wodz | how often battery voltage is readed? |
| 12:42:27 | amiconn | pixelma is using a fairly old cygwin install (1.5.x), and probably an old sdl as well |
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| 12:47:19 | kugel | amiconn: Blue_Dude on 1.7.5 has the same "problem" |
| 12:47:33 | amiconn | What sdl version? |
| 12:47:39 | amiconn | Iirc 1.2.13 is current |
| 12:47:47 | kugel | the same (old) one, 1.2.9 |
| 12:47:53 | kugel | 1.2.14 is current |
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| 12:48:20 | wodz | do I read it correct that power thread is in running state once per minute? |
| 12:48:38 | kugel | so yes, we concluded the version is most probably the cause |
| 12:48:52 | B4gder | the cause was rather a bad assumption :-) |
| 12:49:08 | B4gder | as the previous way to include is how it is documented |
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| 12:49:21 | BeFalou | after copying files with OF, can "refreshing database" be canceled (fuze)? |
| 12:49:30 | funman | if the plugin buffer is 128kB fft build but dosen't run. it's ok with 160kB though |
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| 12:50:10 | kugel | B4gder: yes and no, there was no SDL_CreateThread in that file so SDL_thread.h wasn't needed and I didn't add it because my sdl version throws no warning |
| 12:50:28 | funman | grey lib can't be inited |
| 12:50:35 | funman | .. but it doesn't look like grey to me :o |
| 12:50:47 | B4gder | kugel: yes, and the assumption you did was that therefore you did it right |
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| 12:52:07 | kugel | that's right :) |
| 12:53:50 | funman | Bus 001 Device 022: ID 0781:7433 SanDisk Corp. Sansa Clip (msc) |
| 12:53:52 | funman | :)) |
| 12:54:37 | wodz | ok from power thread battery voltage is read in HZ/2 period |
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| 13:02:21 | funman | "X Error of failed request: BadGC (invalid GC parameter)" if i enable fft spectrogramr on clip :/ |
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| 13:02:47 | kisak | funman: for what it's worth, Home doesn't boot OF on my Fuzev2 |
| 13:02:56 | funman | kisak: yeah, that's expected |
| 13:03:07 | funman | it's the left button |
| 13:03:12 | kisak | funman: ok |
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| 13:11:03 | wodz | I would like to ask for piece of advice. Currently I read ADC in its own ISR wich fires ~4 times per system tick. This can harm battery lifetime as it wakes up core from sleeping. Ideally I would like to call adc read routine in ticsk task but this is complicated by the fact that battery reading uses the same ADC but different channel. After channel switch I have to wait at least 4096 adc clock cycles to get valid data. It can be worked out by reading da |
| 13:11:03 | wodz | ta and than changing channel at the end of tick routine but this will mean I introduce adc reading into button-hd200.c |
| 13:11:26 | wodz | this will make code much harder to understand |
| 13:12:19 | wodz | so the question boils down to: how do I add something as tick task to be executed *before* button handling |
| 13:20:12 | funman | doesn't seem possible now |
| 13:20:30 | funman | button_init() is one of the first things called after kernel_init() |
| 13:21:36 | funman | can't you just add a function call at the beginning of button_read() ? |
| 13:23:02 | wodz | I can but this is weird |
| 13:25:49 | pixelma | wodz: did you solve the performance issues on your Mpio now? |
| 13:27:39 | wodz | pixelma: no |
| 13:28:19 | funman | wodz: you can't reduce adc rate ? |
| 13:28:24 | funman | interrupt* |
| 13:28:52 | wodz | funman: I can but strange things happen with buttons than |
| 13:30:05 | funman | you can choose to not use itnerrupt and use busy waiting also? |
| 13:30:59 | wodz | I can check if valid data flag is set by ADC but I can't use sleep() in kernel tick task |
| 13:32:09 | funman | you could add a thread for adc but i don't know if button reading would feel realtime |
| 13:32:25 | funman | instead of updating values from the ISR update them from a thread |
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| 13:32:41 | funman | and sleep when you wait for valid data so other threads run |
| 13:33:29 | amiconn | Imo you should just let a tick fire the adc, and let an adc isr do the rest, so that each tick all channels are read once |
| 13:34:36 | amiconn | As long as the adc isr is short enough, the effect on battery runtime should be neglectible |
| 13:35:54 | wodz | http://www.pastie.org/965297 this is ISR code |
| 13:37:11 | funman | grey_scroll_left(1) crashes the clip & yh920 sims |
| 13:39:29 | amiconn | wodz: To me that looks like the adc is free running, i.e. each interrupt will make it start the next channel immediately |
| 13:40:20 | wodz | yes |
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| 13:40:29 | amiconn | What I mean is: Have a tick task that starts conversion of channel 0. After those 4096 cycles the adc isr will fire, reading channel 0, then starting conversion of channel 1 |
| 13:41:02 | amiconn | At the next interrupt, read channel 1, then start channel 2, and again for channel 3 |
| 13:41:26 | amiconn | At the 4th interrupt, read channel 3 but do *not* start another conversion |
| 13:41:30 | wodz | and after 4 reads disable adc interrupt? |
| 13:41:56 | amiconn | This way you'll read all 4 channels exactly once per tick |
| 13:42:15 | amiconn | That means 4 adc interrupts per tick, but that should be ok |
| 13:42:52 | wodz | I'll try this route |
| 13:43:18 | funman | hm now the sim works .. strange |
| 13:43:46 | amiconn | The archoses do it that way, just the hardware is a little different (the sh7034 adc has 8 channels, and can do 4 conversions in parallel, so the it converts channels 0..3 in the first batch, channels 4..7 in the second one) |
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| 13:55:05 | funman | amiconn: #if (MEMORYSIZE <= 8) in plugins/SOURCES -> the '== 8' case is only for modded ondios, right ? |
| 13:56:55 | B4gder | modded archoses |
| 13:57:01 | funman | I disabled fft and now plugins build with 64kB buffer, but i need to clean overlay building |
| 13:57:11 | funman | B4gder: ok |
| 13:57:33 | funman | so I could put MEMORYSIZE <= 2 || CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC instead |
| 13:58:54 | funman | err, or just PLUGIN_BUFFER <= 0x10000 |
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| 14:01:53 | funman | plugin makefiles just look for RECORDER/ONDIO in the target to enable overlays |
| 14:03:24 | funman | not sure what to do here, we'd need to add something to the toplevel Makefile |
| 14:09:16 | funman | hm lua needs 0x80000 plugin buffer, but there's an overlay anyway? |
| 14:10:04 | wodz | amiconn: something like this? http://www.pastie.org/965348 |
| 14:12:44 | Torne | funman: the low-memory targets can't do anything useful with lua no matter where you load lua itself, i think |
| 14:12:49 | Torne | funman: it needs loads of ram full stop :) |
| 14:12:54 | funman | ok |
| 14:17:16 | funman | sokoban does dirty tricks |
| 14:17:41 | funman | /* Use either all but 16k of the plugin buffer for level data * or 128k, which ever is less */ |
| 14:17:56 | funman | >assuming the code always fits in 16k |
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| 14:57:35 | kugel | funman: no fft on the clip? :( |
| 14:59:01 | funman | yeah it works but i chose rockboy :/ |
| 14:59:49 | n1s | funman: how much too large is the fft plugin? |
| 14:59:59 | funman | we need to ask archivator if we can reduce the size of the plugin |
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| 15:00:11 | kugel | funman: c200v2 still has the huge plugin buffer? |
| 15:00:12 | n1s | it looks to me like the constant arraysd can be halved since they are symmetrical |
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| 15:00:21 | funman | it built with 0x28000 not with 0x20000 |
| 15:00:36 | funman | kugel: yeah didn't change it, perhaps it's different because of the color |
| 15:00:51 | n1s | if we can do that it should save about 30kB |
| 15:00:53 | funman | for m200v4 it should be identical to the clip |
| 15:01:31 | funman | I just need an idea on how to build conditionally overlays in plugins makefiles |
| 15:01:55 | funman | we can't give information to the makefile from the SOURCES file |
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| 15:02:36 | wodz | standard soultion is to generate Makefile from some template |
| 15:02:49 | kugel | funman: what information do you need? |
| 15:02:56 | funman | PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE |
| 15:03:09 | funman | well we could just run the preprocessor |
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| 15:04:04 | kugel | could you have some overlay.make, which is run through cpp, and include it in plugins.make? |
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| 15:05:07 | funman | `echo PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE|cpp $CPPFLAGS -E -|grep -v ^\#` would do the trick |
| 15:06:22 | kugel | that only works for -DDEFINES passed from configure, not for the ones in config.h, doesn't it? |
| 15:07:12 | funman | ah right, we need echo #include\\nPLUGIN ... |
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| 15:12:04 | funman | ah -P removes teh comments |
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| 15:13:14 | funman | i should be able to call preprocess(-) |
| 15:14:53 | funman | no i can't give it standard input :/ |
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| 15:28:00 | funman | ifeq ($(findstring YES, $(call preprocess, $(APPSDIR)/plugins/build_overlay)), YES) |
| 15:28:22 | funman | build_overlay being #include "config.h" #if PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE <= 0x10000 YES #else NO #endif |
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| 15:42:08 | funman | grmbl they tell me incompatible model |
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| 16:01:55 | funman | zxbox runs, but not enough memory for rockboy :/ |
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| 16:04:51 | funman | ah, tetris works, but not the pokemon models -> different cartridges have different capacities |
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| 16:14:50 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26143): apps/plugins/lib/SOURCES: make it more readable (space, comments, order) |
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| 16:15:26 | funman | audiobuffer almost 700kB, hopefully it's enough to get rid of playback crashes completely |
| 16:21:47 | funman | on c200v2 the ppmviewer needs at least 0x50000 bytes (we use 0x60000 atm) so it's a no-go |
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| 16:28:06 | kugel | it's debatable if ppmviewer is that important |
| 16:28:43 | kugel | funman: haven't you run pokemon before or was that clipv2/+? |
| 16:28:52 | funman | clipv2 |
| 16:29:11 | funman | i suppose those are color roms also |
| 16:29:30 | kugel | only yellow edition and above I think |
| 16:30:13 | kugel | red, blue, yellow run on the very first gameboy |
| 16:32:09 | funman | 15:20 runtime on clipv2/+ |
| 16:32:45 | kugel | awesome |
| 16:33:18 | kugel | funman: could we do a little trick for boosting? |
| 16:33:35 | funman | hopefully |
| 16:33:39 | funman | didn't look at it for a while |
| 16:33:46 | funman | first i want to make sure charging works alright |
| 16:34:08 | kugel | boost with boost counter = 1 as default, so that enabling boosting is a matter of going to the debug menu? |
| 16:34:15 | funman | ah |
| 16:34:15 | kugel | the first boost should be boot* |
| 16:34:23 | funman | i prefer to make it work perfectly ;) |
| 16:34:38 | kugel | that allows to test it without recompiling |
| 16:34:40 | funman | at least we know there is no other nasty bug so the effects of boosting will be easily visible |
| 16:35:07 | kugel | I'm not suggesting once for all solution here for sure |
| 16:35:36 | funman | hm we're not far: game boy games use 8kB / 32kB or 128kB memory |
| 16:39:02 | funman | rockboy use 369kB of ram + malloc |
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| 16:45:42 | funman | kugel: http://pastie.org/965675 |
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| 16:53:14 | funman | hm charging currents are different in as3543 |
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| 16:55:02 | funman | clipv2 OF use 55mA@3.9V |
| 16:55:17 | funman | threshold for the charger EOC |
| 16:55:27 | funman | -> 30% of constent current |
| 16:55:47 | funman | rockbox seems to charge too slowly |
| 16:56:04 | funman | should we just disable charging to be sure to not make damages ? |
| 16:56:14 | funman | i think we never tested if that worked properly on the other AMS |
| 16:56:16 | kugel | why should me cause damae? |
| 16:56:22 | funman | dunno |
| 16:56:30 | kugel | because we charge slower? |
| 16:56:35 | funman | because we charge wrongly |
| 16:56:54 | funman | now we just use the e200v1 settings on all AMS |
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| 17:09:28 | Strife89 | linuxstb: I see. It was a long shot in the dark, so oh well. |
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| 17:11:21 | amiconn | funman: Regarding rockboy - there are roms from 16KB up to 4MB |
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| 17:11:42 | amiconn | Of course the larger roms won't load on archos either up to 1MB work |
| 17:12:14 | amiconn | Insert a ' - ' where appropriate |
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| 17:12:26 | funman | loader.c says /* Ram size should be no larger then 16 banks 1Mbit */ |
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| 17:13:07 | funman | but then the code says it's 16 banks of 8kb |
| 17:13:36 | amiconn | Bank switching is fun... |
| 17:13:54 | amiconn | The gameboy cpu is a modified Z80 |
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| 17:21:27 | Torne | funman: 16 banks of 1Mbit is 16 banks of 8KB :) |
| 17:21:42 | Torne | er, 16 banks totalling 1Mbit |
| 17:22:01 | funman | ah amiconn was speaking about rom |
| 17:22:06 | funman | i didn't see rom allocation |
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| 17:29:19 | Torne | funman: btw, if you have any clue how this overlay stuff works, could you make frotz overlayable? :) |
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| 17:29:34 | Torne | frotz *would* work as an overlay, but i couldn't work out how to do it |
| 17:29:47 | Torne | so i just gave up and required a large plugin buffer ;) |
| 17:29:57 | amiconn | Overlays are quite simple these days |
| 17:30:38 | Torne | oh wait |
| 17:30:42 | Torne | hang on, maybe i didn't |
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| 17:30:46 | Torne | Aaah, yes, i cheated |
| 17:30:53 | Torne | frotz doesn't work on SH |
| 17:31:00 | Torne | because nobody has implemented setjmp/longjmp for SH yet |
| 17:31:02 | funman | you have no excuses now ;) |
| 17:31:10 | Torne | it happens that the only targets whose pluginbufs are too small for frotz are SH |
| 17:31:28 | Torne | (and various not-even-unusable status targets) |
| 17:31:33 | Torne | so i got away with just doing nothing |
| 17:31:41 | Torne | someone should probably implement longjmp on sh |
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| 17:34:57 | Torne | wait, does frotz fit on clip with the reduced plugin buffer size, then? |
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| 17:35:23 | funman | it built yes |
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| 17:36:39 | Torne | hmm, frotz is only 67kb on ARM |
| 17:36:44 | Torne | i remember it being bigger :) |
| 17:36:58 | Torne | how big is the clip's audio buffer now, then? |
| 17:37:05 | funman | bit less than 700k |
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| 17:38:03 | Torne | Ah, so frotz should work fine then :) |
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| 17:38:51 | funman | where can i get a program? |
| 17:39:01 | amiconn | funman: The greylib buffer isn't exactly large. Clip is 128x64? |
| 17:39:18 | funman | ranma: http://pastie.org/965783 <- perhaps this can help ? |
| 17:39:22 | funman | yeah |
| 17:39:49 | Torne | funman: the manual has many links :) |
| 17:39:50 | Torne | funman: ftp://ftp.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/inform/curses.z5 |
| 17:39:57 | Torne | that's a giant monstrosity of a game |
| 17:40:01 | Torne | but it should fit |
| 17:40:20 | Torne | it will have to steal the audio buffer, though |
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| 17:41:09 | Torne | So yeah, frotz fits on everything except targets with 64KB plugin buffers, which is only archos, and it doesn't work on archos anyway because it doesn't have longjmp() |
| 17:41:28 | kugel | Torne: archos, and now clipv1 I think |
| 17:41:33 | funman | right |
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| 17:41:37 | Torne | er, really? |
| 17:41:49 | Torne | how big is it on clipv1, then? |
| 17:41:57 | funman | same than archos |
| 17:41:58 | Torne | Ohhh, part of its memory usage is proportional to screen size |
| 17:42:02 | funman | oops no |
| 17:42:03 | funman | 64kB |
| 17:42:05 | Torne | i'm looking at ipodvideo |
| 17:42:11 | Torne | which obviously needs a huge screen buffer :) |
| 17:42:14 | Torne | clipv1 doesn't, i guess |
| 17:42:19 | funman | archos use 32kB |
| 17:42:22 | amiconn | Hmm, fft uses buffered mode, so the greylib needs 24KB of buffer |
| 17:42:23 | Torne | it must be pretty close |
| 17:42:30 | Torne | amiconn: this isn't a graphical buffer :) |
| 17:42:34 | Torne | it's a tty-like buffer, so it's smaller |
| 17:42:53 | Torne | two bytes per character, for whatever fits in sysfont :) |
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| 17:43:02 | funman | Torne: it says 'welcome' |
| 17:43:08 | Torne | press play |
| 17:43:18 | Torne | or select |
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| 17:43:22 | Torne | or whatever enter is mapped to |
| 17:43:22 | amiconn | I'm referring to funman's comment for r26141: "fft won't run as it needs a large plugin buffer for greylib " |
| 17:43:26 | Torne | ah |
| 17:43:28 | funman | it says it's my own fault :'( |
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| 17:43:34 | Torne | funman: yeah it'll do that :) |
| 17:43:37 | Torne | it's called a story |
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| 17:43:41 | Torne | ;) |
| 17:44:02 | Torne | there's only three buttons in frotz (menu/enter/keyboard input), so you should be able to guess mostly :) |
| 17:44:18 | funman | yeah it seems to work fine |
| 17:44:19 | Torne | i should probably "dynamically" allocate the screen data array as well |
| 17:44:24 | Torne | just to make it a little smaller |
| 17:44:41 | Torne | well, that's good |
| 17:44:43 | funman | amiconn: i hit the limit where fft built but didn't run |
| 17:44:46 | Torne | i'm just surprised it fits in 64kb |
| 17:44:58 | funman | but now fft won't build |
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| 17:46:02 | amiconn | fire.rock is a corner case on archos. It wouldn't work fullscreen, so we reduced its display width a bit |
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| 17:51:29 | pixelma | only since it was made a PLA plugin |
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| 17:52:30 | kugel | gevaerts: http://pastie.org/965811 unifies init() |
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| 17:54:25 | gevaerts | kugel: hm, maybe more stubs would be nicer? |
| 17:54:36 | kugel | I wondered about that too, I wasn't sure |
| 17:54:43 | Torne | Heh, frotz is only 57KB on clipv1.. the huge screen on ipodvideo really must make that much difference |
| 17:55:53 | kugel | gevaerts: I think I'll wait for it until I have some proper #defines for hosted platforms. stubs work, but stuff like i2c_init() just doesn't make sense and shouldn't need a stub, no? |
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| 17:56:57 | gevaerts | hm, maybe |
| 17:57:10 | gevaerts | I don't really like too many ifdefs in there |
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| 17:57:42 | kugel | part of the problem is that init() contains a lot target specific stuff |
| 17:58:03 | gevaerts | yes, indeed |
| 17:58:43 | kugel | those should either be moved into the target's system_init() or whatever or be generalized |
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| 17:58:59 | * | gevaerts agrees |
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| 18:00:16 | mt | gevaerts: (Very late reply) : I've done my paper work. (~5 days ago) |
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| 18:02:29 | kugel | gevaerts: for example the two usb otg init()s, other usb otg targets seem to do it differently |
| 18:03:06 | gevaerts | kugel: well, if you feel like cleaning that up, I won't stop you :) |
| 18:03:37 | kugel | I figured :) |
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| 18:06:58 | ssorgatem_ | what's the ##PORT# folder in the fuze? |
| 18:07:11 | Torne | some kind of MTP thing |
| 18:07:13 | Torne | ignore it |
| 18:07:19 | ssorgatem_ | I see that ##MUSIC# is where everything put in MTP goes... |
| 18:07:36 | ssorgatem_ | just renamed it from rockbox |
| 18:07:48 | ssorgatem_ | and now I an see it through MSC |
| 18:08:05 | ssorgatem_ | It has fuze icons from sandisk |
| 18:08:07 | kugel | gevaerts: that's confusing |
| 18:08:54 | kugel | isp1362.c has isp1362_init(), isp1583.c has usb_drv_init() (both in firmware/drivers), usb-as3525.c has usb_init_device() :\ |
| 18:11:37 | kugel | ah, but usb-drv-as3525.c has usb_drv_init() too |
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| 18:12:40 | kugel | ohhh |
| 18:12:47 | gevaerts | There's a difference between those, but I can't really remember :( |
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| 18:13:00 | kugel | I see, the two in init() are for non-usbstack targets |
| 18:13:00 | Bz | " thumbs up " rockbox works perfectly on my ipod nano 2g |
| 18:14:05 | markun | Bz: congratulations :) |
| 18:15:44 | Bz | Some of the games complain on no roms, the alarm clock application shuts the ipod down but those are the only two small things i found, other than that it built my music library perfectly, dimmer, lock ect works.. :) |
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| 18:16:10 | Torne | "some of"? presumably just pacbox |
| 18:16:28 | Torne | since that's the only one you can run directly that needs a rom |
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| 18:17:51 | Bz | Sorry, came out wrong lol, just pacbox indeed |
| 18:18:41 | kugel | gevaerts: it's a) confusing and b) I don't feel like changing the init sequence (which is often for targets I don't own |
| 18:19:12 | AlexP | Bz: We cannot legally distribute pacman ROMS, you need to extract the from the arcade machine you own |
| 18:19:13 | Torne | what do you mean the alarm clock shuts the ipod down, also? |
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| 18:19:43 | kugel | (which is often fragile)* |
| 18:20:01 | amiconn | Torne: Btw, shutdown/ reboot problems seem to have come back on my Mini G2 |
| 18:20:47 | Torne | amiconn: yeah, clearing iram maybe isn't sufficient for everyone :( |
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| 18:21:18 | amiconn | The older solution, where the low-bat icon appeared for a few seconds every shutdown worked well, apart from that visual quirk |
| 18:21:48 | Torne | The sample size is big enough now that i think it's safe to say that this definately differs across models, if not firmware versions |
| 18:22:05 | Torne | nobody with ipodvideo has reported still having problems |
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| 18:22:12 | Torne | and ipodvideo very commonly had them before either fix was in place |
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| 18:22:27 | Bz | Torne: Not sure, first time i tried it i set it to go off two minutes in the future and the screen faded away, just tested it another 5 times with diffeent intervals, no problems, must'ave accidently hit a button |
| 18:22:53 | Torne | if it works now then i dunno :) |
| 18:23:14 | CIA-5 | New commit by ranma (r26145): Enable/disable second pll dynamically on usb plugin/remove. |
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| 18:23:30 | Torne | amiconn: I was pondering erasing iram at startup |
| 18:23:56 | Torne | to catch anything that might cause reboots/poweroffs without going through the poweroff function that clears iram |
| 18:24:13 | Bz | :P Can i manage the songs with amarok? I've had a grudge against itunes for years and refuse to use it :/ |
| 18:24:23 | Torne | Bz: you can do it with anything.. |
| 18:24:27 | vaguerant | I just grabbed the latest Clip+ build with rockboy support; had a couple of minor Qs: any chance of disabling scaling (I know, tiny screen, but some games use smaller viewports and could be panned to display enough to be playable without scaling)?, and secondly does the emu reboot when ROMs crash or is that another issue−−when I hit Start or Select (volume up/down) Faceball 2000 just resets instead of beginning the game. |
| 18:24:42 | Torne | you don't need to "manage" them at all, you can just stick files on there :) |
| 18:25:43 | Bz | :P I'm unfamiliar with the directory structure of an ipod, where do i stick the files? It was only yesterday when i picked it up and said to myself rockbox is going on this today. Prior to that i'd never really touched my ipod lol |
| 18:25:49 | Torne | Bz: Anywhere |
| 18:25:59 | Torne | Rockbox doesn't care in the slightest about the "ipod directory structure" |
| 18:26:06 | Torne | put the files anywhere you feel like, in any structure you want |
| 18:27:10 | Bz | Great i just had a brief look, seems their stored in a directory called Ipod_Control/Music at the moment so i'll move them soon to just /Music lol |
| 18:27:50 | Torne | itunes mangles the filenames and does various weird things to them |
| 18:28:15 | kugel | gevaerts: they don't have usb stack, any idea where to put it? |
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| 18:29:43 | Bz | Oh yeah, i remember when i first owned a music player and accidently left it plugged into my dad's computer. When i took it out in the morning i found that itunes had turned all my music into .acc and would no longer play, no idea what my dad or itunes did but made me refuse to use itunes ever again lol |
| 18:30:21 | Bz | At the time i was pretty much computer illiterate so it was the end of the world for me lol :P |
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| 18:32:23 | kugel | maybe at the end of usb_init |
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| 18:40:44 | ranma | funman: The dump is intentional. Clean will overwrite the dmaed buffer it the memory area is dirty for some reason :) |
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| 18:47:02 | evilnick_B | Torne: Am I right in thinking that the new iPod bootloader (with support for large disks), once installed, should work with any current build, with large disks? |
| 18:47:16 | evilnick_B | i.e. the current build works with large disks now? |
| 18:47:43 | Torne | yes |
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| 18:48:28 | Torne | i turned LBA48 on for every disk target except archos |
| 18:48:40 | Torne | and I fixed the large-physical-sector code to only do the workaround if single sector acccesses fail |
| 18:48:59 | ranma | kugel: usb_drv_init might be better called usb_drv_enable, since it's not an init function called at boot time... |
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| 18:51:07 | evilnick_B | Torne: Thanks, wanted confirmation before replying stating that as fact :) |
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| 18:52:08 | Torne | evilnick_B: yeah, that guy is really messing something up |
| 18:52:47 | * | evilnick_B hopes that it was just that they didn't realise that the bootloader and build have to both be capable |
| 18:52:57 | evilnick_B | ...of larger disk support |
| 18:54:04 | domonoky | Torne: does the bootloader on the download server now also supports large disks ? |
| 18:55:07 | Torne | evilnick_B: no, i already explained that to him |
| 18:55:11 | Torne | evilnick_B: he PM'ed me originally |
| 18:55:15 | Torne | domonoky: no |
| 18:55:21 | Torne | domonoky: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 |
| 18:55:32 | Torne | updated ipod bootloaders are still awaiting testing on several models |
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| 18:55:47 | Torne | also we have an outstanding problem with LCD contrast on the b/w ipods which i have no idea what to do about |
| 18:56:07 | Torne | so for now I haven't released it, on the assumption that anyone who desperately needs large disk support should be able to install my bootloader manually |
| 18:56:35 | domonoky | then that might be the problem of the guy on the mailing list. Rockbox Utility will install the bootloader from the server if they use "Complete/Small Install". |
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| 18:56:55 | Torne | Yes. We told him this already. |
| 18:57:56 | Torne | he's posted the same thing in a bunch of places seperately, and received different advice from each :) |
| 18:58:01 | Torne | this probably isn't helping |
| 18:58:08 | Torne | also i snapped at him somewhat because he started off by PMing me personally |
| 18:58:36 | Torne | I'm going to delete the large drive test build thread |
| 18:58:42 | Torne | (and the files on my server) |
| 18:58:46 | Torne | nobody should be using that any more. |
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| 19:01:26 | Ypsy | wtf is the default date for the sansa fuze really 4:20? :DD |
| 19:01:38 | kugel | funman (logs): http://pastie.org/965959 definittely works better |
| 19:02:04 | Torne | right, deleted my old test builds and their threads. that might help people ask questions in less places :) |
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| 19:06:23 | kugel | funman: I'd say it's comparable to fuzev1 (even a bit better) with that |
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| 19:06:39 | kugel | Luca_S: can you try http://pastie.org/965959 on your fuzev2? |
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| 19:06:56 | Luca_S | sure, give me a couple minutes |
| 19:07:08 | kugel | preferably against r26059 |
| 19:07:20 | kugel | it should fix the erratric scrollwheel once for all |
| 19:09:02 | Torne | soap: is this thread still useful/needed? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0 |
| 19:09:52 | Llorean | Torne: I'd imagine since it's locked, it should be removed. |
| 19:10:07 | Llorean | I mean, at this point, if anything in it needed preserved it should've been moved to the wiki. |
| 19:10:26 | Torne | well, i'll leave it to soap or saratoga to save me thinking too much :) |
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| 19:13:15 | gevaerts | kugel: you could of course opt to leave the init cleanup to someone else :) |
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| 19:14:59 | Luca_S | patch -p1 says hunk failed |
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| 19:15:52 | Luca_S | i'll just edit the code |
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| 19:20:13 | Luca_S | kugel: actually the patch can't be applied as is to r26059, the loop isn't there so the #if 0 can't be applied. i'll test the single changed line on r26059. |
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| 19:28:22 | amiconn | Torne: Why not restore the earlier fix? At least it worked reliably |
| 19:28:40 | amiconn | Does it clean all iram now? |
| 19:29:17 | amiconn | It seems like there are more problems atm - rolo doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:31:47 | Luca_S | the wheel works fine with this fix |
| 19:32:20 | Luca_S | acceleration is maybe a little bit too fast, but is definitely better than now |
| 19:32:32 | Luca_S | i'll leave it playing for half an hour to see if it still freezes |
| 19:32:52 | Torne | amiconn: the earlier fix made people's ipods wake up at random times |
| 19:33:11 | amiconn | Hmm, I never had that happen |
| 19:33:15 | Torne | rolo shouldn't be affected |
| 19:33:17 | Torne | me either |
| 19:33:35 | Torne | rolo doesn't hit the code that clearfs iram |
| 19:33:53 | Torne | it only clears plugin/codec iram |
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| 19:34:34 | Torne | i can't see how rolo could be impacted tbh |
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| 19:35:44 | amiconn | I don't know, but last time I updated my mini, rolo didn't work |
| 19:35:57 | Torne | works for me |
| 19:36:12 | Torne | and the iram clearing is done literally at poweroff |
| 19:36:17 | amiconn | (the auto-rolo that appears after usb if rockbox.ipod changed) |
| 19:37:16 | Torne | not during shutdown, immediately before acking the pcf to turn off |
| 19:38:25 | Torne | so yeah, clearing iram works for some, but not all |
| 19:38:28 | amiconn | Does the code take care of the COP? |
| 19:38:40 | Torne | take care how? |
| 19:38:48 | Torne | it doesnt do anything to it |
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| 19:39:22 | Torne | the old fix worked for everyone but made some peoples ipod power on from alarm at random times |
| 19:39:36 | Torne | wasting power and usually booting the of |
| 19:39:41 | amiconn | That it doesn't write to iram or run amok due to its currently executed code going away |
| 19:39:48 | Torne | aalso it was ugly :) |
| 19:40:11 | Torne | ah |
| 19:40:29 | Torne | no, i was assuming cop would be quiescent by poweroff time |
| 19:40:47 | Torne | it should be if we're doing a clean shutdown |
| 19:41:03 | Torne | not for unclean i guess but unclean sucks anyway |
| 19:41:22 | amiconn | Well, it might be trapped in an endless loop for that, but if this loop suddenly goes away... |
| 19:41:52 | Torne | why would it be in codec iram? |
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| 19:42:02 | amiconn | Hmm, codec? |
| 19:42:14 | cxo | Do you guys know of an alternate firmware for the old Creative Zen Micro |
| 19:42:15 | Torne | it only wipes the latter half of iram |
| 19:42:16 | amiconn | I was thinking that the entire iram is overwritten |
| 19:42:24 | Torne | the part codecs and plugins use |
| 19:42:35 | Torne | it doesnt touch the part core uses |
| 19:42:54 | Torne | because i didnt want to woprry about overwriting my own stack or similar |
| 19:43:32 | Torne | afaik the ipod reboot data is right at the top of iram anyway |
| 19:44:00 | Torne | it only erasdes that much because it was easy to do so and not noticably slow |
| 19:45:26 | Torne | rather than decide what needed erasing i went with erasing everything that seemed safe :) |
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| 19:47:37 | Torne | amiconn: i'm not sure what to do tbh |
| 19:48:00 | Torne | the other fix was worse than no fix for some people |
| 19:48:08 | Torne | because of the phantom alarms |
| 19:48:27 | Torne | the code already did evderything possible to stop alarms activating |
| 19:48:55 | Luca_S | kugel: I applied your latest patch to current svn and it seems like there is a problem when changing direction - IIRC the wheel is supposed to decelerate, but it doesn't happen |
| 19:48:55 | Torne | evidentlyy some OF versions override that and set the alarm anyway |
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| 19:49:31 | Torne | this fix at least shouldnt cause new problems, i believe your rolo issue is umrelated... |
| 19:49:32 | amiconn | How does the OF set the alarm when rockbox is shutting down the hardware? |
| 19:49:56 | Torne | with the other fix, the OF shts the hardware off, not us |
| 19:50:16 | amiconn | ah |
| 19:50:21 | Torne | it reboots to of instead of powering off |
| 19:50:47 | Torne | with a magic string in ram that says 'battery is dead, shut power off for now' |
| 19:50:48 | Torne | ish |
| 19:51:29 | * | amiconn thinks we need our own loader |
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| 19:54:02 | Torne | maybe. go write one? :) |
| 19:55:43 | Torne | amiconn: anyway, if you have a sujggestion i'm open to changing it |
| 19:56:05 | Torne | but the last fix as is makes stuff worse for some, so i don't like it |
| 19:56:18 | Torne | and this fix definately works on my ipod |
| 19:56:38 | Torne | used to have to reset at least one time n four, now, never |
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| 19:58:39 | funman | charging seems to work on fuzev1 |
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| 20:14:11 | topik | is there a way to have the clip+ not show the big usb icon but just the menu so you can see things like debug info? |
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| 20:22:14 | pamaury | disable usb storage |
| 20:23:27 | funman | pamaury: USE_ROCKBOX_USB shouldn't be defined |
| 20:23:57 | funman | i think you did the reverse of what it should have been : you disabled USB_HANDLED_BY_OF and enabled USE_ROCKBOX_USB :o |
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| 20:29:12 | notlistening | Heya what happened on the sansa in regard to usb today? |
| 20:29:45 | notlistening | sorry the as3525v2's ;) |
| 20:30:05 | Luca_S | reliable usb detection for now |
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| 20:30:19 | notlistening | aww good news |
| 20:30:21 | Luca_S | plus some groundwork for usb drivers, but not much really |
| 20:30:47 | notlistening | they have always been an issue on the v2's |
| 20:31:02 | topik | the issue being not existing? |
| 20:31:11 | sawdog | Hi, I have googled, read FAQs, manuals, mailing list looking for my answer: I've got an iPod Video 5.5 gen with a 240 GB drive upgrade; installing the default bootloader causes a panic due to an unsupported physical sector size. I see that I can rebuild the bootloader and installer after modifying ./firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h - I have tried to setup my mac for the crosscompiler to rebuild things myself but am getting errors |
| 20:31:36 | Torne | There is no need to build anything |
| 20:31:41 | evilnick_B | sawdog: Are you yojojo10 on the forums? |
| 20:31:48 | sawdog | nope |
| 20:31:58 | Torne | Where are there still instructions that say youneed to modify rockbox? |
| 20:31:59 | sawdog | haven't signed up |
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| 20:32:24 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26146): don't let logf() and DEBUGF() be empty statements |
| 20:32:29 | Torne | sawdog: current builds support large drives, but we've not rleased an updated bootloader yet |
| 20:32:36 | bluebrother | setting up the cross compiler on OS X is a bit of a problem. I haven't succeeded on 10.6 (any advice welcome) |
| 20:32:45 | Torne | there is a test build of the new bootloader here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 |
| 20:32:51 | Torne | so, you don't need to build anything. |
| 20:32:54 | sawdog | sweet |
| 20:33:16 | Torne | where did you find instructions that said you had to modify it yourself? |
| 20:33:21 | sawdog | thanks torne, I will read and try that out |
| 20:33:26 | Torne | (i'm trying to track them down so i can fix them) |
| 20:33:35 | sawdog | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2009-03/0044.shtml |
| 20:33:44 | sawdog | that thread |
| 20:33:52 | Torne | ah, that's over a year old |
| 20:33:54 | Jaykay | hi :) did the buildsystem improve in the last few weeks? i remember build rounds needing 3 minutes some time ago, now they need 2min |
| 20:33:57 | Torne | (and is a worse way of doing it) |
| 20:34:08 | Torne | Jaykay: for a while they wre down to 1:30 or so, it just varies as build clients come and go |
| 20:34:34 | sawdog | torne: that was all I could find.... |
| 20:35:12 | Torne | next time look on the forums ;) |
| 20:35:12 | * | Jaykay would participate in the system if he weren't so lazy |
| 20:35:37 | notlistening | Jaykay i say that with life |
| 20:36:11 | * | funman wonders wtf he did |
| 20:36:43 | vaguerant | funman, you spy my post re: rockboy + scaling? |
| 20:36:50 | funman | nope |
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| 20:37:21 | vaguerant | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24768.msg167013#msg167013 |
| 20:37:23 | Torne | sawdog: anyway, asuming you already installed hte current build, you just need to replace the bootloader with that one |
| 20:37:47 | sawdog | yeah, almost there |
| 20:37:54 | sawdog | will let you know how it goes in a flash |
| 20:38:40 | funman | vaguerant: well i don't know how to hack rockboy, if you want to patch it i'm ok with that though |
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| 20:40:04 | funman | we don't have a stdbool.h -> do we use a gcc header? |
| 20:40:37 | sawdog | torne: the output is 'odd' - don't wanna spam it, but isn't obviosu if I succeeded or not |
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| 20:40:58 | Torne | the output of what, ipodpatcher? |
| 20:41:11 | Torne | copy and paste it to http://pastebin.com/ |
| 20:41:46 | sawdog | torne; http://pastebin.com/5A29RjzR |
| 20:42:37 | Torne | hm, pastebin appears to be broken :) |
| 20:42:53 | Torne | ah, yes, it's read-only while they move host |
| 20:43:13 | Torne | try pastebin.org ;) |
| 20:43:55 | sawdog | http://pastebin.org/249377 |
| 20:44:10 | sawdog | looking to ensure I am doing it right |
| 20:45:00 | Torne | No, that failed |
| 20:45:12 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26147): plugins: undefine DEBUG macros just in case, before defining them to a real statement |
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| 20:46:06 | funman | hm the gcc "from.*" aren't counted as errors but are displayed in red anyway |
| 20:46:49 | vaguerant | I dunno what's going on in lcd.c for rockboy. There's a bunch of commented out stuff which does screen size checking to decide whether or not the scaling options should be made available. |
| 20:46:53 | sawdog | torne: any clues? |
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| 20:47:04 | vaguerant | But it's doing it now anyway so maybe it's duplicated somewhere else. |
| 20:47:22 | Torne | sawdog: no, perhaps some kind of permissions error? i don't know how security works on mac os. |
| 20:47:31 | sawdog | torne: I cold try on windows - I have a vm running |
| 20:47:33 | Torne | sawdog: on windows you need to run ipodpatcher as administrator, on linux you need to run it with sudo |
| 20:47:37 | Torne | i don't know about macos |
| 20:47:44 | sawdog | ah, I could try sudo :/ |
| 20:47:49 | pamaury | funman: yeah, I defined USB_ROCKBOX_USB to avoid reboot, otherwise I can't develop :) |
| 20:48:04 | funman | pamaury: well you can modify it in your build |
| 20:48:13 | funman | rebooting on usb plug is cool imo |
| 20:48:27 | funman | but if that means you're confident into finishing the driver soon, ok with me :) |
| 20:48:47 | pamaury | yes of course, feel free to modify it because I don't plan to finish very soon :) And I can't commit from hehe |
| 20:48:50 | pamaury | *here |
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| 20:49:25 | funman | are you ok with rebooting on plugging? |
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| 20:50:34 | pamaury | yeah, go ahead |
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| 20:51:02 | pamaury | I have the impression (which might prove false) that the as3535 usb controller is really really low level |
| 20:51:48 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26148): Clip+: reboot on USB insert |
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| 20:52:14 | topik | good times. compiling time. thanks funman. and pamaury too for the effort. |
| 20:53:17 | sawdog | torne: looks like worked under windows |
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| 20:53:57 | pamaury | the linux driver is awfully complicated because the controller used (the sysnopsis) is in fact a kind of generic usb interface which reports its capabilities (!) which are quite wide I must admit. The driver handles pretty much everything which makes it really hard to read and understand :( |
| 20:54:25 | sawdog | torne: It wrote the bootload, but when it rebooted i saw a rockbox logo, then it panic'd with the unsupported physical sector size of 4096 |
| 20:54:31 | funman | http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/375/fuze.png <- fuzev1 charge |
| 20:54:41 | vaguerant | Actually I just suck at C, these aren't comments. |
| 20:54:59 | funman | i unplugged/replugged it 2 times, and it finally stopped charging |
| 20:55:11 | funman | pamaury: you mean capabilities as host & device? |
| 20:55:25 | pamaury | capability of everything |
| 20:55:46 | funman | can it make coffee? |
| 20:55:56 | pamaury | dma type (or no dma), phy type (hs, fs), endpoint, fifo size, multiple tx fifo or not, otg or not, everything is like that |
| 20:56:12 | pamaury | utmi or ulpi, utmi width size, ... |
| 20:56:16 | Torne | sawdog: is that the only thing it says on the screen? |
| 20:56:24 | Torne | sawdog: or does it say bootloader version something etc as well |
| 20:56:25 | topik | you logged the charging, funman ? |
| 20:56:40 | pamaury | I'm prettry sure there is coffee bit hidden somewhere |
| 20:56:46 | funman | yes, battery_bench.txt starting from empty |
| 20:56:51 | Luca_S | should I open a feature request for that? :D |
| 20:57:00 | funman | it goes very fast at the beginning and slows down, this looks normal? |
| 20:57:04 | topik | ah, clever. only considered battery_bench for draining :) |
| 20:57:09 | funman | also it goes a bit faster at the end |
| 20:57:20 | Torne | sawdog: if it's just that, then the bootloader worked, but you have the wrong build |
| 20:57:24 | sawdog | torne: exaclty: *PANIC* Unsupported physical sector size: 4096 |
| 20:57:31 | sawdog | torne: nothing else |
| 20:57:32 | Torne | You don't have a current build on there, then |
| 20:57:41 | Torne | are you using 3.5.1? |
| 20:57:49 | Torne | that doesn't support large disks |
| 20:57:58 | topik | perhaps odd how it charges faster in the end |
| 20:58:00 | Torne | you need to use the current development build from svn |
| 20:58:28 | sawdog | torne: ah, so I need to redo fetching current over the released version |
| 20:58:34 | Torne | yes. |
| 20:58:40 | sawdog | k, back to that |
| 20:59:14 | funman | charge took 3:05 |
| 20:59:22 | Torne | sawdog: after the next release this won't be needed any more :) |
| 20:59:40 | Torne | large disk support was just only added recently |
| 20:59:47 | sawdog | no sweat; I can live with it today…. |
| 20:59:52 | funman | after 10% of the time the charge level was already at 57% :o |
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| 21:00:02 | AlexP | speaking of releases.... |
| 21:00:08 | AlexP | Before/after devcon? |
| 21:00:29 | funman | well it's just using a linear curve from 3.3V to 4.2V |
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| 21:01:47 | Torne | AlexP: i was going to use devcon as an opportunity to maybe test the ipod bootloaders more for release |
| 21:01:52 | Torne | but that's independant of 3.6 |
| 21:02:06 | AlexP | Yeah |
| 21:02:06 | bertrik | you can't really tell how far lithium battery charging is by just looking at the voltage alone |
| 21:02:22 | AlexP | Personally I'd quite like 3.6 pre-devcon so new exciting stuff can happen at devcon |
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| 21:02:53 | bertrik | at some point (well before completion of the charge), the charger goes from constant-current into constant-voltage mode, and you'd have to monitor the charge current to get an idea of charge progress |
| 21:03:20 | sawdog | torne: g2g |
| 21:03:42 | AlexP | 3.5 was release 03/02 - so 3.5 months now |
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| 21:03:58 | AlexP | Just before devcon would make it just over 4 months |
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| 21:04:19 | Torne | AlexP: i'd like to get the ipod bootloaders out before/with 3.6 if possible, though |
| 21:04:28 | Torne | so that we can claim 3.6 supports large disks without any messing about ;) |
| 21:04:42 | Torne | i am still missing a few models for testing |
| 21:04:46 | Torne | though i suspect it's fine |
| 21:04:49 | AlexP | Torne: The only thing is that it can hamper devcon if no-one can commit new stuff during it |
| 21:04:55 | Torne | AlexP: yes, quite |
| 21:05:04 | topik | invite funman. sir commits-a-lot. |
| 21:05:08 | Torne | AlexP: so releasing the bootloader sooner |
| 21:05:10 | AlexP | I seem to remember us releasing just before devcon last year |
| 21:05:11 | Torne | would be good :) |
| 21:05:17 | AlexP | Torne: Yes :) |
| 21:05:21 | AlexP | What are you missing? |
| 21:05:25 | Torne | er |
| 21:05:25 | AlexP | +targets |
| 21:05:26 | Torne | check the thread |
| 21:05:37 | AlexP | Which thread? |
| 21:05:40 | Torne | also im not sure what to do about this greyscale contrast thing |
| 21:05:45 | Torne | in the test build forum |
| 21:05:51 | Torne | that's all the results i'e had |
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| 21:06:49 | AlexP | Torne: All the ipods seem covered by regulars: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxTesting |
| 21:07:03 | AlexP | Torne: Perhaps some poking of specific people would help? |
| 21:07:10 | Torne | maybe.. i can't right now though ;) |
| 21:07:18 | Torne | if someone else wants to help with that i'd appreciate it |
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| 21:08:12 | funman | from 80% to 100% of charging the voltage readout is constant |
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| 21:08:42 | funman | also, readout is always higher when the charger is plugged |
| 21:08:57 | topik | and unplugging gives 2 percent extra charge |
| 21:09:07 | funman | topik: just talking about fuzev1 here |
| 21:09:19 | topik | oh, i only just compiled that |
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| 21:10:22 | topik | upgrading firmware is faster than 'refreshing media' |
| 21:10:40 | topik | as a method to get back into rockbox |
| 21:10:55 | Torne | AlexP: i really don't know what to do about greyscale contrast: the greyscale players have a fixed contrast in the bootlaoder (the default value for rockbox proper) and on some greyscale ipods the contrast value may be wrong eonugh that you can't read bootloader error messages |
| 21:11:11 | Torne | the default for one of them got changed a while back and the new value is too light for at least one person |
| 21:11:20 | Torne | but the old value was too *dark* for someone else |
| 21:11:30 | * | AlexP sends a mail |
| 21:12:10 | AlexP | Torne: I take it there isn't an inbetween value that works for both? |
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| 21:12:21 | Torne | possibly |
| 21:12:25 | Torne | only one of the users is around, though |
| 21:12:35 | Torne | i forget who it was, it was someone here who found the new bootloader was too light to read |
| 21:12:46 | Torne | the person who said the old value was too dark was years ago |
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| 21:12:51 | Torne | in a flyspray report |
| 21:12:57 | Torne | we could jst change it to a number between the two |
| 21:13:04 | Torne | and assume the other models' contrast is ok as they have not changed |
| 21:13:06 | Torne | :) |
| 21:13:52 | AlexP | I'd go for that :) |
| 21:13:58 | AlexP | As long as you can still read it |
| 21:14:15 | Torne | i have no idea :) |
| 21:14:18 | Torne | i don't have any such players |
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| 21:14:59 | Torne | it was jhMikeS who found it was too light |
| 21:15:03 | AlexP | ah right |
| 21:15:50 | AlexP | It looks like it is mainly amiconn who I could poke for the testing - he has 1G, 2G and colour that need a look |
| 21:16:03 | Torne | it was on a 3G |
| 21:16:22 | | Part watto |
| 21:16:24 | AlexP | amiconn: If you get the chance, could you test the bootloader here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 Thanks |
| 21:16:28 | funman | jhMikeS: wouldn't battery_voltage_sync() be unneeded (5 reads averaged) if you wait for adc end of conversion on PP ? |
| 21:16:34 | AlexP | Torne: YEah, I mean in general for the release |
| 21:16:36 | Torne | i think amiconn did already test at least one of those |
| 21:16:46 | Torne | AlexP: yah, i'm doing this asynchronously :) |
| 21:16:46 | AlexP | ah, so not in the thread! |
| 21:16:52 | Torne | maybe not. :) |
| 21:16:58 | Torne | i haven't kept very good track then |
| 21:17:14 | Torne | jhMikeS: can you experiment with your 3g and see what a good compromise for contrast might be? |
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| 21:17:47 | AlexP | The thread seems to have multiple video tests, and a mini 2g |
| 21:17:52 | AlexP | Ah, and 2G too |
| 21:18:00 | AlexP | amiconn: Forget the 2G :) |
| 21:19:48 | Torne | jhMikeS: for reference the old contrast default was 55, the new one is 40; can you fiddle to see what range is visible for you? :) |
| 21:20:28 | * | Torne goes for now, though |
| 21:20:39 | AlexP | It appears from the list that domonoky has a 4G greyscale |
| 21:20:45 | AlexP | domonoky: is this still the case? |
| 21:21:21 | domonoky | jup, but dont know if it still works. We can try at devcon :-) |
| 21:21:51 | AlexP | domonoky: It is for testing a new ipod bootloader for release, so ideally before devcon :) |
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| 21:22:05 | AlexP | but not to worry if not possible :) |
| 21:22:16 | domonoky | oh, i will search it :-) |
| 21:22:42 | AlexP | ta very much :) |
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| 21:25:07 | topik | funman: my fuze v1 has started discharging after reaching 100% it seems. it's now at 98% |
| 21:25:42 | topik | charger: present, state: discharging, charger: 81 |
| 21:25:54 | funman | yep it works |
| 21:25:59 | * | domonoky found the ipod, but it needs a charge first. |
| 21:26:01 | funman | it will charge again when level is 4.1V |
| 21:26:48 | topik | it can't "just" run off usb power when the battery is full? |
| 21:26:53 | topik | or is that wip? |
| 21:27:19 | AlexP | domonoky: No huge hurry, bootloader is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 - thanks very much :) |
| 21:31:24 | funman | topik: dunno |
| 21:31:35 | funman | afaiu the charger is disabled or enabled, we can't run off usb |
| 21:31:39 | funman | and not charge* |
| 21:36:06 | topik | hard to tell what the OF does because it just shows the stupid icon |
| 21:37:30 | topik | unplugging while battery is listed at 98 drops it to 96 |
| 21:40:12 | funman | yep that's what i'm wondering too |
| 21:40:20 | funman | there's no constant adc channel |
| 21:44:42 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26149): Fuzev1: calibrated charging curve ... |
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| 22:01:50 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26150): as3525v2: show adc channels in the debug menu |
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| 22:20:58 | jhMikeS | funman: the sync is to remove filter lag and the multiple readings to remove jitter, nothing to do with waiting |
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| 22:21:25 | archivator | I have a hypothesis that needs confirming: for a few days now I've been struggling with a bizarre flite issue - on target, the system voices short strings but crashes when voicing longer strings, taking down the entire player. I am positive it's not an OOM issue and I'm inclined to think it has to do with the complete lack of yield()s in the flite codebase. Can that be the reason? |
| 22:23:04 | jhMikeS | Torne: My understanding is that amiconn was looking into the method to read it from the ROM or something. Mine pretty much needs it around 60. |
| 22:23:21 | Torne | hm |
| 22:23:25 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r26151): Fix a couple of typos in the manual |
| 22:23:36 | Torne | well, iwe could do with getting a new bootloader out sooner rather than later, tbh :) |
| 22:24:28 | jhMikeS | Is it possible to have it too dark? |
| 22:24:42 | Torne | yes |
| 22:24:49 | Torne | but i would guess that too dark is less of a problem in general |
| 22:24:53 | jhMikeS | yeah, not here :) |
| 22:25:19 | Torne | i mean, if its too dark by a bit it might be *hard* to read, but probably not impossible |
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| 22:26:34 | Torne | the person who reported it was too dark did manage to get to adjust the contrast.. |
| 22:26:55 | Torne | so, yeah. i'm tempted to just put it back to how it was, or somewhere between |
| 22:27:11 | jhMikeS | I'll try to give you a readable setting for my rather extreme device |
| 22:27:13 | Torne | unless we can get any more 3g users to test and see what "typical" might be |
| 22:28:39 | jhMikeS | it get just barely readable at 49, clean around 55 |
| 22:28:54 | jhMikeS | 55 is still light though |
| 22:29:11 | jhMikeS | normal looking around 59 |
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| 22:45:34 | CIA-5 | New commit by alle (r26152): Rockbox can handle fonts larger than 16 pixels too. |
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| 22:55:58 | Llorean | Someone needs to tell yojojo that the first thing he needs to do is stop doing things that aren't in the instructions. |
| 22:56:08 | Llorean | I would do it, but I'm pretty sure I'll say it in a way that gets him angry. |
| 22:56:45 | Llorean | The step where he's copying ipodpatcher and stuff to the device suggests he's still not following instructions by the letter, so the best bet may be to have him uninstall fully, then give him a list of specific steps that he should do *and no others* |
| 22:57:24 | CIA-5 | New commit by lenzone10 (r26153): Updated italian translation. |
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| 23:08:57 | Torne | Llorean: he's had it explained about seven or eight times so far |
| 23:09:08 | Torne | Llorean: if he doesn't get it yet, then i suspect it's best to just leave it alone :) |
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| 23:12:15 | ssorgatem_ | How can I help translating rockbox? |
| 23:13:46 | bluebroth3r | ssorgatem_: check translate.rockbox.org |
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| 23:14:03 | ssorgatem_ | bluebroth3r: thank you |
| 23:14:49 | bluebroth3r | ssorgatem_: also see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles |
| 23:19:25 | Llorean | Torne: Apparently it's working now, but he thinks the problem was something that definitely wasn't. |
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| 23:22:32 | Torne | Ah, right |
| 23:22:35 | Torne | i just sent a reply to his mail |
| 23:22:36 | Torne | nevermind |
| 23:23:04 | Torne | he was *definately* overwriting the bootloader from rbutil at one point |
| 23:23:10 | Torne | becausehe was getting the old bootloader's error message ;) |
| 23:23:24 | Torne | and i suspect he just really wasn't choosing hte right thing in rbutil |
| 23:23:34 | Torne | maybe he unzipped the build manually instead |
| 23:25:55 | stripwax | what i don't understand is, if there was clearly a forum thread for this (the advice and conversation he was having with you), why he decided to start off a separate email thread, mostly aimed at the same people he was already conversing with |
| 23:26:25 | stripwax | e.g. saying what advice "they" had given him. |
| 23:26:27 | Torne | he started in PM with me |
| 23:26:29 | Torne | in fact |
| 23:26:32 | Torne | :) |
| 23:26:42 | stripwax | really weird and not helpful, though, to have that on the mailing list. |
| 23:26:52 | Torne | i told him off for that, gave him step by step instructions, and then told him if he had any more problems to post on the forum |
| 23:26:59 | stripwax | awesome :) |
| 23:27:11 | stripwax | he also emailed me personally, which took me aback a bit! |
| 23:27:16 | Torne | but he didn't follow any instructions properly ;) |
| 23:27:21 | stripwax | fair enough |
| 23:27:23 | Torne | he's only got it working now by fluke, i imagine |
| 23:27:38 | Torne | he happens to have done the wrong things in an order that means the wrong stuff gets overwritten with the right stuff ;) |
| 23:27:48 | Torne | instead of previously, when he was probably doing it in the other order ;) |
| 23:28:15 | * | evilnick_B is glad to see that it's been resolved, finally! |
| 23:28:54 | * | Torne tries to make his mind up what to do about ipod 3g contrast |
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| 23:31:09 | Torne | DerPapst: the wiki says you have an ipod 3g.. we have a problem with the default contrast setting on 3g. can you tell me what is the lowest contrast value where the screen is readable, for you, and also can you test http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 and tell me if you can read the bootloader's error messages okay? No huge rush but soonish would be good ;) |
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| 23:47:16 | max242 | ping funman |
| 23:49:24 | max242 | in some posts on the forum, i've seen posts from some people having problems with the tag cache/database |
| 23:49:40 | max242 | can anybody tell me what kind of issues they have? |
| 23:50:02 | max242 | i want to know if these are reproducable easily |
| 23:51:06 | max242 | i believe successful building of the pictureflow cache depends on the tag cache/database being properly populated |
| 23:52:08 | max242 | maybe my sansa fuze v1 is suffering from database issues without me knowing, |
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| 23:52:38 | AlexP | If the database is useable then it is fine |
| 23:52:40 | max242 | and this maybe locking up the building of the pictureflow cache? |
| 23:52:58 | AlexP | and yes, pictureflow requires the database |
| 23:53:07 | max242 | i'm aware of that |
| 23:53:22 | AlexP | You said "I believe", I was confirming it |
| 23:53:23 | max242 | but what do you mean by 'database is useable'? |
| 23:53:30 | AlexP | Can you use it? |
| 23:53:35 | max242 | yes i can |
| 23:53:45 | AlexP | Then it should be OK |
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| 23:54:12 | max242 | are you aware of some issues being introduced since r25299? |
| 23:54:32 | AlexP | Not particularly, I (and virtually all the developers) don't use the database |
| 23:54:57 | Torne | my database works |
| 23:55:04 | Torne | i can't speak for anyone else ;) |
| 23:55:05 | AlexP | What is the problem with pictureflow? |
| 23:55:16 | max242 | e.g. bor_ka reported he has issues with a freeze on his fuze v1 in one of fora, when building his database |
| 23:55:33 | max242 | the issue with pictureflow is in the building of the thumbnail cache |
| 23:55:35 | AlexP | If the database built fine and you can use it, then it is fine |
| 23:55:44 | max242 | it freezes the fuze entirely |
| 23:55:44 | AlexP | (nominally anyway) |
| 23:56:05 | evilnick_B | max242: Are the image files bmp or jpg? |
| 23:56:27 | max242 | and i also every now and then encounter issues/lockups when building the database |
| 23:56:36 | max242 | my image files are all jpg |
| 23:56:37 | * | evilnick_B wonders if this is due to progressive scan jpgs being used? |
| 23:57:34 | max242 | well, when i build the pictureflow cache when running r25298, there is no problem at all |
| 23:57:43 | max242 | it started ever since r25299 |
| 23:58:12 | evilnick_B | Good, strike that as a potential problem then :) |
| 23:58:34 | max242 | yeah, i would love to, but i am not a developer myself |
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