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09:54:48n1sah, site's back up
10:07:42pixelmaJdGordon: I got the classic radio screen done now but there was one small problem I experienced with r26220 (last available daily) - the preset number always returns something. When I'm not on a preset it is a "0" but a %?Ti will always be true so I can't surpress the display
10:08:14JdGordonso put a %?tm<> before it
10:09:00JdGordonthe tag for scan/preset mode i mean
10:09:04JdGordonI may have got that wrong
10:09:28pixelmano, you can be in scan mode and can still see if you "hit" a preset
10:10:08pixelmaIMO that's a "must" to be able to manually put your preset file together
10:10:49JdGordonif you are in scan mode then you dont have presets around
10:10:59pixelmaJdGordon: it works as I expected for preset name, why not preset number?
10:11:10pixelmayou can
10:11:35JdGordonthat is a damn good question.... both are useing the exact same codepath
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10:13:38JdGordonok, how do you get to this state? load a preset file then go into scan mode?
10:13:56JdGordonok hang on
10:14:12*pixelma spots a Zagor around
10:15:04*Zagor waves
10:15:31JdGordonpixelma: %ti is preset inmdex?
10:17:02pixelmaZagor: during the downtime I noticed something weird on the download mirrors. They have "oldstylename-currentdate" and "newstylename-currentdate" dailies in the subfolders, the content of the old style ones is from before the rename action but they keep the zips and those zips even get new dates
10:17:08pixelmaJdGordon: %Ti
10:17:40Zagorpixelma: odd
10:18:16JdGordonpixelma: can you test a patch?
10:18:37pixelmaJdGordon: yes, now that svn is up again
10:19:13JdGordonnice n easy fix
10:19:16JdGordonif it works :p
10:19:18wodzdo You have good source for li-ion/lipo batteries to be used as replacement in DAP?
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10:20:23n1swodz: the CameronSino batterys are good (got one for my h320) i don't know about resellers outside Sweden though, but i think some ebay shops have them
10:21:27pixelmaJdGordon: compiling will take a bit though
10:21:38JdGordonwhich target?
10:21:49wodzmy main problem is I don't know battery type - it should just fit in place and dimensions are rarely stated
10:22:01pixelmamy radio modded OndioFM
10:22:34pixelmaerr... backlight modde :)">
10:24:25pixelmathanks, I'll compile nonetheless but this is quicker
10:29:21pixelmaJdGordon: is there file fully uploaded? I get the "what to do with the file" dialogue and set it to "ask where" for the save file item but it doesn't ask...
10:30:01JdGordonwierd... wfm
10:30:25JdGordonwhat about irc dcc?
10:30:41pixelmadoesn't work in my client
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10:36:14pixelmaJdGordon: either the file wasn't uploaded completely or you must have done something wrong... RoLoing gives me a "Rockbox Rescue Boo/RoLot" cycle (and a slight panic but I was able to turn it off)
10:36:33pixelmaBoot and RoLo
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10:39:42pixelmafilesize is way too small, hmm
10:41:31pixelmaok, compiling my own now
10:42:09wodzcurrent_tick is incremented in kernel tick or it is read from timer register?
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10:49:23pixelmaJdGordon, JdGord: the patch doesn't even compile for me. It fails: in function 'get_radio_token':
10:49:26pixelma/home/Marianne/SVN/rockbox/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_tokens.c:439: error: syntax error before ';' token
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11:04:10Topic"Now in feature freeze for 3.6 | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at | DevCon2010 will be from June 4th to 6th in Ghent," by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11:04:17AlexPSeeing as we seem to be back and all
11:05:40B4gderour plan is to switch provider, tomorrow around 13:00 central european
11:06:05AlexPSeems fair enough
11:06:09pixelmathat was quick
11:06:14AlexPI seem to remember this not being the first time
11:06:29B4gderexactly, we have no faith left in these guys
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11:11:35pixelmaJdGordon: compiles without the patch
11:12:03JdGordonok that is wierd
11:13:38JdGordonI hit b too early and got the bootloader build
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11:15:31pixelmaaha, now I'm also asked where to save to
11:15:48pixelmadid the patch compile for you then?
11:16:08JdGordonno, i missed a )
11:16:14JdGordonbut it didnt fail the build because apps/ wasnt being built
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11:16:31pixelmaok, let's see
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11:17:07JdGordonquick.. i want to ci before going t the pub :p
11:17:24pixelmaseems to work now :)
11:17:44pixelmaJdGordon: do you also know something about the auto-change directory code?
11:18:06CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26246): fix the %Ti (preset index) not working with conditionls correctly
11:18:13JdGordonI suppose I should... whats the problem?
11:18:24pixelmait crashes on hwcodec
11:18:46pixelmawhen it actually has to change to a new directory
11:18:52JdGordonits been in for 3 years at least :) so finding when it broke would be hel;pful
11:19:23pixelmahmm, I suppose... if testing on Ondio wouldn't be such a
11:20:44JdGordonunless it never worked?
11:21:39pixelmaI have no idea, it's the first I tried IIRC
11:22:22JdGordonI would laugh hysterically if it never did
11:22:32JdGordonproving that hwcodec and charcell should DIE!
11:23:10pixelmano, proving the usefulness of auto-change directory...
11:24:31pixelmathe reported address is weirdly in _cue_find_current_track (apps/cuesheet.o)
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11:40:41pixelmacan I change a lang ID just like that or do I always have to deprecate the string and add a new?
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11:41:28n1spixelma: depends on how you do it
11:41:58n1sif you just change the ID you should be fine
11:42:03JdGordIt mostly depends how soon after the string was added
11:42:25n1sjust s/LANG_FOO/LANG_BAR/ is fine
11:42:48n1sthe binary lang files depend on the order of the strings, not the actual ID
11:43:05pixelman1s: idea, description, source (and dest, voice in english.lang) need to be changed
11:43:08n1sI think i'm going to do a cleanup aftr we release
11:43:15bluebroth3rany details know about the site outage?
11:43:16pixelmaer s/idea/ID
11:45:08pixelman1s: I want to change the reuse of "FM Radio" which is in the main menu for the radio screen theme item. That won't be a problem for "FM Radio" itself because I need a new string for this anyways but for the "Remote FM Radio" string
11:45:19pixelmathis one would need changing
11:45:49n1spixelma: i think it's ok, it will play the old voice clip with an old voice file though, but if you change it so any targets that didn't have the string gets it or vice versa, every voice clip after that one will be off
11:46:57n1sbut honestly, deprecated strings are quite cheap and as i said, i'll clean them out after the release unless someone else beats me to it
11:47:38n1sthey cost 3 bytes IIRC
11:48:05pixelmamy suggestion is to change it to "Radio Screen" and "Remote Radio Screen" and I'd like to have it in the release because the current ones are confusing (noticed when I had to explain the remote one to a translator here)
11:48:31pixelmaunfortunately that will make the already updated translations incorrect again
11:49:37n1swhat *is* kind of expensive is when people keep adding identical strings to the lang files, whihc i will also try to sort out
11:49:42pixelmaok, I first try if I can manage to do the necessary code changes, then send a mail to the dev list probably
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12:03:54*pixelma notices some "### hints for the translator" in nederlands.lang
12:06:19ssorgatemtalking about translations... last week I posted an updated translation of catalan
12:06:25ssorgatemon FS
12:06:49CIA-6New commit by funman (r26247): as3543 rtc wakeup: fix power off ...
12:06:49pixelman1s: as in "cheap way to up my commit count"?
12:06:55CIA-6New commit by funman (r26248): mkamsboot/rbutil/amsinfo : do not try to detect the model of a given Sansa AMS OF ...
12:08:22n1spixelma: that's one way to look at it, and also it usually means incomplete translation so a bit more sarcastic "yay"
12:08:54pixelmait was just updated last Friday or so
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12:12:34pixelmaincluding these
12:12:47n1spixelma: from a quick look, it looks as if at least some strings were not translated at all, and just left as english
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12:19:41wodzwhat targets are !HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
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12:20:12pixelmathe Archos Player - it has a charcell display
12:20:56wodzthe only one?
12:21:02ssorgatemCan someone look at FS #11293 and commit it if it's OK?
12:24:13Torneanyone want to comment on my proposed patch for font loading,
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12:24:27Tornei'd like to commit it for 3.6 if possible to remove the six-second delay on booting on ipodvideo ;)
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12:25:39pixelmaargh, why do I now get a crash in powermanagement on my Ondio? the flashed build didn't change and should work at least
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12:34:46kugelTorne: I'm not sure about this one. What means buffer_alloc() w.r.t. to changing fonts after boot?
12:34:58Torneit doesn't mean anything
12:35:03Torneit only allocates the buffer once
12:35:08pixelmahmm, yesterday I flashed revision 26060 and now I found out that's a revision inbetween a commit and its "revert because it breaks Archos targets" :\
12:35:26pixelmaa powermanagement related
12:36:38pixelmaok, installing the full build of r26060 at least gave me access to my Ondio back
12:39:06JdGordTorne can we fix fontcache instead?
12:39:35TorneJdGord: go on then :)
12:39:57JdGordI'm not sure that should go in 3.6...
12:41:13Torne(seriously though, dynamically allocating the font buffer is probably a good idea *anyway*)
12:41:39Tornei'd just like 3.6 not to take twice as long to boot on ipodvideo as anything else
12:41:57Tornethe "quickest" way of fixing that is to slap #define MAX_FONT_SIZE 300000 in ipodvideo.h :)
12:42:01JdGordI tend yo agree. But being in freeze means no new code
12:42:03Tornebut that wastes memory for everybody do you fix bugs without producing new code? :)
12:43:19JdGordWell yeah
12:44:10*Torne shrugs, we can leave it.. 3.5, 3.4, etc all booted slow :)
12:44:15Tornethe slowness isn't new
12:44:42Tornein general, though, even if the font cache gets fixed i think dynamic allocation makes sense
12:44:50Torneup to some limit dependent on available memory
12:45:06Tornebecause not having to use the cache is quicker at boot time *and* runtime, even if the cache worked better
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12:45:34Torne(and the lower limits could probably stand to be quite a bit smaller than the amount we allocate now)
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12:45:57Torne(the font i use only takes half the buffer)
12:46:15JdGordIts BS false economies... forcing it to use the cache means a slighlty bigger file buffer
12:47:46pixelmaweird, just copying over the ajbrec.ajz, the flash image and the flash plugin seems to have worked (RoLo worked then and flashing did, now unzipping the complete build). Since the firmware on the Archoses should basically work without the additional files, I really wonder what was going on there :/
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12:49:38CIA-6New commit by uchida (r26249): fix: when move_handle() is successful, the return value ...
12:49:48*bluebroth3r thinks that being in freeze means "no new features", not "no new code"
12:51:07TorneHm, i just realised it doesn't work, though :)
12:51:11Tornewell, in a pretty obscure case
12:51:21Torneit will go weirdly wrong if you boot up with the ui font set to sysfont
12:51:23Torneand then set a font later
12:51:37Torneincidentally, why does buffer_alloc *not check if playback is running* :)
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12:56:17Tornethat seems.. dangerous ;)
12:56:25JdGordTo make sure whoever is calling it is paying attention
12:57:24JdGordBuffer_alloc. Is a bad idea in general
12:57:33*Torne hrms?
12:57:58*JdGord burps
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13:01:02wodzTorne: what is the status of ipod shutdown?
13:01:16Tornewe're stumped
13:02:00wodzI can test on mini 1G if You will have some new ideas
13:02:55Torneno, we have no idea.
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13:03:22Torneand it doesn't seem like it even behaves the same for everyone on the same model.
13:03:36Torneso.. yeah.
13:03:49wodzwhich fix will be shipped with 3.6?
13:04:02Tornehm? the one that's in there now :)
13:04:28wodzso "battery low icon at the end" fix?
13:04:42pixelmawasn't there a new bootloader to test on Mini 1G?
13:05:18Tornecan you test that, please? :)
13:05:24Tornewodz: no, that was reverted ages ago
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13:06:37wodzTorne: is build for this test bootloader uploaded somewere or should I compile on my own?
13:06:48Torneit's on the forum thread
13:07:32wodzok, I can test this but later, I don't have usb cable with me now.
13:08:47wodzWhy ipod batteris have so low capacity?
13:09:33wodzoriginal mini is ~500mAh and with this dimensions it can be 1000 or more
13:09:44Torneit can *now*, yes
13:10:29Torneit came out in january 2004, though..
13:11:15wodzbut even recent ipods have quite low capacity. Ipod Touch 3G is shipped with 800mAh or 880 and battery *is* big - something like 40x50x3mm
13:14:59Tornealso, everything's driven by cost, no?
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13:17:18wodzyeh, terror of accountatns
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13:22:47gevaertsTorne: what will happen with UI font == sysfont?
13:22:59Tornegevaerts: well, font_load doesn't get called on startup then
13:23:02Torneso the buffer alloc won't get done
13:23:11Torneand then if you later load a font, it will try and do it then
13:23:11gevaertsah, right
13:23:20Tornewhich will screw stuff up if buffering is active :)
13:23:33Tornegevaerts: what do you think of the approach, though?
13:23:36gevaertsthat does sound like "going wrong" indeed :)
13:23:38Torneassuming it was fixed?
13:23:56Torneis it worth doing 1) at all, or do we just fix the cache and leave the buffer as it is 2) in 3.6
13:24:14Tornei'm undecided whether it counts as a bugfix or a feature ;)
13:24:23gevaertsI'd see it as a bugfix
13:24:33Tornei guess the simplest "bugfix" would be to make the buffer statically 300KB on ipodvideo, which is the only player that seems to actually have the problem
13:24:45Tornefont cache loading is slower on everything, but not so much that you really notice
13:26:33*gevaerts is undecided
13:27:45gevaertsa static 300KB buffer is obviously the simple safe fix
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13:31:51TorneWell, doing nothing is the simplest/safest
13:31:57Tornethis issue isn't technically new
13:32:08Torneit's been like this for a couple of releases at least
13:32:24Torneso it's not a regression from 3.5 or 3.4
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13:34:43Tornei suspect we should just ignore it for 3.6
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13:40:33wodzas I remember we do not have *alloc functions. So how are dynamic lists generated?
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13:41:36*pixelma has a nice "Radio Screen" and resp. "Remote Radio Screen" in theme settings now
13:41:56wodzcontext - I am looking how to move most of the code from app/debug_menu.c to target tree and I am wondering how to create list of debug functions on the fly
13:43:04Tornewodz: er, but surely the available debug functions are known at compile time
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13:43:11Tornewhy would you want to dynamically build it?
13:43:32wodzsomething like add_list_item(char *tilte, (*function)(void))
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13:43:47flipesomeone knows if rockbox r26249 fuze v2 can be used with OF 2.03.33 (last one)?
13:43:56Tornethe debug menu is statically build at the moment, though
13:44:01Tornewhy would you want it to be dynamic?
13:44:02wodzTorne: debug_menu.c is a mess lots of ifdefs, code duplication etc.
13:44:07TorneYes, I know
13:44:19Tornei'm just saying i'm not sure why you have to build the menu dynamically to fix that.
13:45:09wodzhmm. I can in theory define list for each target (group of targets)...
13:45:45funmanflipe: yes, build mkamsboot from svn
13:46:19wodzbut it would be much more elegant to 1) define generic list valid for all targets 2) add to this list cpu/platform specyfic stuf 3)add target specyfic stuff if any
13:46:55flipeok, I will tried to download it, because I tried to download rockbox utility from svn and it was an oddisey
13:46:56funmancan't you add specific entries statically ?
13:47:20wodzfunman: I don't understand
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13:48:38Tornewodz: it's just an array.. #include part of it from the target tree.
13:49:00Tornethere's loads of ways to do this :)
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13:49:34wodzbut this will again introduce ifdefs
13:50:16funmannope, just add a TARGET_DEBUG_MENU in menuitems[], and define this in the target headers
13:50:45wodzhmm that's clever
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13:51:04funmani think the only way to add entries to an array is through a macro
13:53:42wodzare there any targets which do not have dbg_ports() defined?
13:54:09Tornefunman: I meant #include an entire source file into the middle of the array, but hey
13:55:16funmanwodz: only grep can tell!
13:55:37wodzI was afraid of this answer :-/
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14:05:10Luca_Shello everybody! a quick question: how does song rating work in rockbox? I tag song rating in mediamonkey, but RB does not see it. however in the Azure theme are visible five black stars, as if rockbox supported some kind of song rating. in the wiki there are references to a wps context menu action called 'set song rating', but I can't find it in that menu.
14:05:39Luca_S(I forgot to say I'm using a FuzeV2)
14:09:49bluebroth3rLuca_S: Rockbox uses its database for rating. I don't know of any way to have that interact with any PC program (yet)
14:11:00Luca_Sbluebroth3r: I see. but where do I set each song rating?
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14:13:13bluebroth3rLuca_S: good question. IIRC it was avaliable in the wps context menu, but I can't find it again.
14:13:59bluebroth3rah, just found it: you have to enable "Gather runtime data" in the database settings first
14:14:05bluebroth3rotherwise the entry isn't shown at all.
14:14:16pixelmafrom the WPS context menu and with "gather runtime data enabled" IIRC, the manuals are available again
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14:18:26Luca_Sjust checked, it's written in the manual indeed. sorry. however it would be useful to specify that RB's rating is independent from the tags' rating.
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14:18:30bug2000Is the Sansa Fuze v2 [unstable port] stable as the Clip [which is pretty stable]?
14:18:30TorneLuca_S: very few programs use the id3 tag rating
14:18:46bug2000*Clip v1.
14:18:53Torne(and it would be *very* expensive to actually update that in rockbox, you have to rewrite the entire file usually)
14:18:58Luca_Sbug2000: I'm using current svn and did not have a single crash in weeks
14:19:36bug2000Good enough for me. Now to figure if I can make Rockbox the secondery firmware on it.
14:19:46bug2000I want to secretly install it on that fuze *Evil Grin*
14:22:00Luca_STorne: I see the problem with updating the tag, and the OF doesn't store it in the tag too (AFAIK). now looking in the manual for the meaning of the 'Gather runtime data' option
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14:26:28*bug2000 notes to himself there is no XM playback so he can delete all these files.
14:29:49bug2000Nor a lot of other modular types.
14:30:02*bug2000 looks for a list of modular files supported by rockbox.
14:31:44pixelmaI wonder what the status of the mikmod patch in the tracker is
14:32:49bug2000Mikmod does support them. But I'm pretty sure I didn't see that on my clip when copied.
14:32:58bug2000I think I should just make one of each and see whats get listed!
14:33:17pixelmajust .mod in SVN
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14:33:35bug2000Saved me time, so I can remove anything that isn't .mod from the clip?
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14:35:00pixelmasome of my .nst files played after renaming them to .mod butall other a bit more complicated files with additional features didn't play
14:36:54bug2000I'm still happy it plays spc :)
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14:50:13bug2000Ok O_O
14:50:31bug2000This is new. I just pluged rockbox to my PC and I see a USB cable.
14:51:06gevaertsI suspect you saw the cable before plugging it in :)
14:51:37bug2000Nah, more like it froze with a cable paint.
14:51:52bug2000I wonder if it's due to the fact I tried to crash it.
14:52:11bug2000.mod files which are too big crash rockbox :)
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14:54:08pixelmabug2000: what I meant with my mikmod statement was that there is a started port of mikmod to Rockbox (first as a plugin but also a try to make it a codec and replace the current mod codec). But it's a patch and you would have to compile a build with it and I'm not sure if it is maintained. The port has to fight with Rockbox's limits regarding codecs etc. so is not the same as mikmod on PC or so, last time I tried the codec variant didn't play simple
14:54:08pixelma .mod files larger than the codec buffer which is something the SVN mod codec can though)
14:54:28pixelmait's some time ago, I admit
14:54:58bug2000I see.
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15:23:48pixelmadoes someone remember whether the old radio screen (before skin support) used to scroll the station name if it didn't fit on the screen? I thought it did - but there is one disadvantage if you hear the screen updates on your target and stations with weak reception
15:24:35pixelmathen you'll get a bit more noise if things scroll
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15:25:26bug2000gevaerts: Must be related to the fact I tried to crash it.
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16:32:40CIA-6New commit by funman (r26250): as3525: show unmasked interrupts on unhandled IRQ
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16:53:46ZagorFYI: I will bring down the server after lunch CET tomorrow, to move it to our new hosting provider.
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16:57:54Zagorpixelma: yes
16:57:54n1sZagor: how long expected downtime?
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16:58:23Zagorn1s: 2-3 hours
16:58:41Zagorpossibly less, but these things always take more time than you hope
16:58:48n1sthey do
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17:00:13Topic"Scheduled server downtime Tuesday 13:00-16:00 CET | Now in feature freeze for 3.6 | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at | DevCon2010 will be from June 4th to 6th in Ghent," by Zagor (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
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17:07:17CIA-6New commit by funman (r26251): as3525*: sd_wait_for_state() is only used for waiting to SD_TRAN state
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17:18:17pixelmathe longer I look, the more differences I find between the old radio screen and the new :|
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17:26:15*pixelma wonders how radio skins work with the button bar
17:27:07pixelmanot many people with a FM-Recorder (or V2 with radio) around though....
17:28:35funmans/around// :o)
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17:29:47pixelmayou never know
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17:38:49JdGordonpixelma: you are entirely missing the point of skinning it then
17:39:32JdGordonand to answer your wonderings... button bar isnt drawn anymore
17:39:38JdGordonif you want it, you need to add it to the skin
17:40:02pixelmathe default should still show a similar amount of info as before
17:44:34pixelmaJdGordon: how would you add the button bar to the skin, is there a tag or something?
17:44:53JdGordonno, it would need to be drawn manually
17:45:29JdGordonsetup the viewport, then draw the text
17:45:44JdGordoneven if you do 3 viewports, thats maybe 6 lines of cod needed
17:46:11pixelmayou can't do that as before... it was white text on black...
17:47:24JdGordonforce the viewport colours
17:47:37JdGordonor wait till post 3.6 and use the new tag
17:47:44pixelmayou currently can't on monochrome
17:49:51pixelmaand if I recall (though I only saw screenshots as the Ondio doesn't have it) it was context (screen) aware, your lines of code will become very messy even if it is possible. I don't have a very strong opinion even if it looks this way but if you take current functionality away it might be important
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17:51:08JdGordonI have a very strong opinion on the button bars, and you arnt going to like it
17:51:40JdGordonI also dont care too much about removing a barely used feature so 99% of other people have a much better experience
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17:52:38pixelmawell if you wan't to remove it please but then do it correctly and announce it correctly and give people the possibility to rebuild it if they are inclined
17:53:11JdGordonyou could just as easily use a bmp for it if oyu want to mimick the old behaviour
17:53:38pixelmaone bitmap won't do
17:53:50JdGordonsure it will
17:54:23pixelmamaybe a bitmap strip with I don't know how many entries
17:54:27JdGordonIIRC the bar *in* the fm screen was static
17:54:47JdGordonso put it in the fms at the bottom and use a real button bar in the sbs
17:58:22bieberJdGordon: With your WPS changes, what will conditionals look like?
17:58:42bieberDo you want a special character to separate the condition from the other arguments, or just have them all in there as one big list?
18:05:51CIA-6New commit by learman (r26252): Make 'make reconf' remember the use of −−ccache and −−no-ccache. Only works after the next configure run.
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18:42:35CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r26253): Make PCM->driver interface about as simple as it will get. Registered callback, zero data, alignment and stops are handled entirely inside pcm.c; ...
18:43:46amiconnjhMikeS: Inverting the meaning of phase should be no problem. As for the top 24 bits I don't know
18:44:06amiconnDoes this optimisation actually speed up things? We do have to wait for the controller anyway...
18:47:43amiconnOn mini g2 the top bits definitely do matter (16 bit data and serial bridge mode; the top halfword defines whether it's command or data)
18:49:36jhMikeSamiconn: it seems fine as far as the HW on 3g. I haven't formally tested it for speedup.
18:50:40jhMikeSI guess on g2 the you'd have to just clear the top bits, which would save one less instruction in the loop I guess
18:51:35jhMikeSwhat method do you normally use to test it so any comparison can be fair against older benchmarks?
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18:52:38amiconntest_fps tests greylib speed as well on the respective targets
18:53:14jhMikeSthat gets the ISR speed? ah. didn't know that.
18:53:36amiconnThe CPU load is a representation of isr speed
18:53:50amiconnFaster isr -> lower load
18:54:28pixelmathose commits don't look like we are in a feature freeze much
18:54:33amiconnBtw, boosting on PP is not (only) necessary due to load, but rather because the lcd controller doesn't like clock chacnges during activity
18:56:35jhMikeSactivity while scaling is hardly unique to that (recalling aborts if other core wasn't stopped)
18:57:16flipecan anybody help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox
18:57:49CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r26254): Cleanup r26253 red and yellow.
18:58:27jhMikeSpixelma: getting rid of dangling annoying complications is a bugfix, not adding a feature. :)
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18:59:38yelpedCan someone SVN this patch please?
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19:02:12jhMikeSblah, table's so wide now I did see all the junk on the right side :\
19:02:22pixelmajhMikeS: depends on how many features... err... bugs it might come with. Changing such a lot of code and low level stuff has some chances I think
19:03:08n1syelped: we are supposed to be feature frozen ubtill we release 3.6
19:04:07yelpedSo, how do I apply it myself?
19:04:17saratogasee the patch page on the wiki
19:04:36saratogai guess that guy with the wma file that doesn't play on the mailing list could be due to a broken ASF file
19:04:52saratogaif packets were missing or corrupted you'd get random skipping
19:06:12yelpedIt looks like it will take a while.
19:07:12jhMikeSpixelma: I checked every supported target (coldfire, pp5020, pp5002, s3c2440) I think that covers it. Is anything new going on into supported status?
19:10:02jhMikeSyeah, I knew I was pushing it though...just once. will keep it to bugfixes from now on :)
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19:11:21flipecan someone help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox
19:13:52CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r26255): Correct new memcpy/memset functionality in test_mem plugin. Use appropriate clobber list for arm asm.
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19:16:35CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r26256): Really cleanup remaining r26253 yellow (hopefully).
19:20:07*jhMikeS goes bughunting (already noticed metronome keys don't work correctly now) :\
19:21:21CIA-6New commit by funman (r26257): as3525: be sure all interrupts are disabled when recording
19:23:56jhMikeSyeah, the button for play is the same as quit, so you can't make it play on gigf and such (maybe others)
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19:25:06jhMikeSor something...seems to be a button conflict (tap works ok)
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19:28:58jhMikeSnvm, this time got it to go. :\
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19:30:27Buschel_ saratoga: could you shortly test FS #11309 and give some figures on ARM9?
19:31:30topikis it possible to save the default 'no theme' wps of the clip+ to a wps file ?
19:32:09CIA-6New commit by alex (r26258): FS #11269 - Slovak language update by Peter Lecky
19:34:02AlexPLang people - I assume the answer to is yes?
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19:36:08funmancan I use gcc's __builtin_clz() or is there a rockbox clz function somewhere?
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19:37:33funmannvm, i see other uses of __builtin_clz so it's ok
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19:38:26jhMikeSfunman: not sure what the app is, but there's also find_first_set_bit, but this returns the LSb set
19:39:31funmanah this works too
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19:39:43amiconnlsb is easier than msb, with the help if this special trick to isolate it
19:39:56amiconn(well, unless the cpu has a clz instructions)
19:40:27jhMikeSfuman: it returns 32 if no bits are set (so bit 0 doesn't alias no bits)
19:40:48funmanwell bit 0 alias bit 0 ?
19:40:59funmanhm nevermind
19:41:16jhMikeSof course, and bit 1 aliases bit 1, etc. all the way to 31. :)
19:41:16funmanI guess I'll practive my english at devconeuro ;)
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19:41:56gevaertsfunman: yes, with Germans, Belgians and Swedes :)
19:46:25saratogaBuschel_: should i test all of those formats
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19:54:09funman say the Clip+ battery is 340mAh
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19:55:45jhMikeSthen it can charge at 238mA? (0.7C) ?
19:57:02bertrikWe can control charging current in steps of 50 mA, so that would be 200 mA, although I'd be even more conservative
19:57:12funmaniirc it's 55mA steps on as3543
19:57:23bertrikoh sorry
19:57:31Buschel_saratoga: no, only libmad is of interest
19:58:02funmanhm no it's not constant steps
19:58:18funmanthe actual 150mA setting really is 140mA, we can go to 210mA or 280mA
19:59:04funmanOF limits charging to 150mA (and it uses 50mA steps so I guess the code hasn't been updated)
19:59:41bertrikthe initial capacity estimate of 350 mAh for the clip probably wasn't so bad :)
20:00:37funmanbertrik: isn't it marked on the clip(v1) battery?
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20:01:20flipecan someone help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox
20:02:04jhMikeSamiconn: with the change it says 1/1:149 vs. 1/1:148, and the CPU load says 1% instead of 2%
20:02:30bertrikfunman, no, at least I couldn't find an exact match, so I guessed it by extrapolating from other batteries of similar capacity
20:02:57jhMikeSamiconn: that's what test_fps reported on my 3g Load: 2% before, Load: 1% after
20:03:00funmanbertrik: hmm i have 2 clipv1 batteries which say 330mAh
20:03:02saratogaBuschel: i get that lame is very slightly slower
20:03:13amiconnDid you boost before?
20:03:23amiconnSomething is not quite right....
20:03:30saratogasame for mpc
20:03:33saratogacook is no difference
20:03:43jhMikeSupdated the plugin and the core between patching
20:03:53funmanbertrik: should I assume it's the same for all clipv1 and change the capacity in sansaclip.h ?
20:04:08jhMikeSI forgot to boost the first time and the plugin reminded me (boost?) :)
20:04:10amiconnLoad with svn should be about the same as on G1/G2
20:04:25bertrikfunman, what I remember is seeing some ATL part number on the package (in photos from a disassembly on ABI IIRC), not an actual capacity printed on the battery
20:04:35jhMikeSamiconn: is that too high?
20:04:58funmanbertrik: dfkt/sansa_clip/battery_replacement/P5170341mod.jpg">
20:05:51bertrikfunman, yes, sounds fair. What do you want to say with that picture?
20:05:53amiconnjhMikeS: Your values almost look like you disabled the actual output
20:06:07funmanbertrik: just that there's the ATL marking and no mAh
20:06:08jhMikeSit shows the gradient
20:06:11amiconnCompare with the values for G1/g2 on LcdFrameRate
20:06:27pixelmajhMikeS: there was a PLA cleanup committed this week. In metronome this could have changed mappings on some targets - in some cases to a slightly less intuitive button (tap and play are on the same button now where play is a long press). This change makes controls work on all targets at least which didn't before although as I said on some other targets a bit harder, still controllable though)
20:06:28amiconnIt's the same controller after all, using the same mode
20:06:41pixelmaI guess metronome should just not use PLA
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20:08:36jhMikeSpixelma: I dicovered you need really hold that select button to start it on F/X. For some reason, well, I don't know what was going on. It worked when I was very deliberate about it and held it.
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20:09:09funmancould it be 2 different battery manufacturers?
20:09:35funmanthe number is the same (363830)
20:10:03*amiconn needs to check the plugin whether it still works as intended
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20:10:27jhMikeSamiconn: I'm watching plasma go right now (inverted since I didn't rebuild it). I think checking the plugin might be a good idea. :)
20:11:09saratogaBuschel_: perhaps the difference for MP3 is the reordering of mul and load instructions in your recent patch? the original patch alternated between them which I think is faster since the load delay is interleaved with the mul one
20:11:14amiconnIf you only inverted the phase, this shouldn't cause any visible difference
20:11:20jhMikeSamiconn: it needs a complementary phase array
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20:12:48CIA-5New commit by funman (r26261): Clipv1 battery capacity is 330mAh
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20:13:03jhMikeSblack needs to set the "sign" bit most quickly (because the controller inverts)
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20:13:18bertrikfunman, the 363830 indicates the battery's dimensions, so maybe that could be the same even when from different manufacturers. The other number is also the same, I can't imagine that these numbers would both be the same for two different manufacturers
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20:16:13AlexPflipe: What OS are you using?
20:17:00funmanaccording to ABI disassembly the Clip+ battery is 290mAh not 340
20:20:46flipefunman, I have find new mkamsboot.c , how can I get mkamsboot.exe?
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20:21:54funmanflipe: better wait next release of RockboxUtility. It's easy to brick your player if you don't know what you are doing
20:21:55AlexPhmmm, my commit seems to have hung
20:23:00bertrikalso 'svn update' takes a very long time here for me
20:23:31n1sAlexP: yes, the translator should prefferably translate the new strings added since the last translation update :)
20:23:31AlexPn1s: I suspected so :)
20:23:33n1sI tried to post a comment but FS threw an error in my face
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20:23:40pixelmatypical. When I decide "doesn't matter if I send the mail an hour later or not" then things happen where I think "ok, maybe it would have been better if I had sent before" :\
20:24:10pixelmathis is about the translation updates and a string change I want to ask about getting it in for the release
20:25:51AlexPflyspray etc. seems down too
20:25:51n1scan't reach at all
20:25:51funmanAlexP: stop breaking please!
20:25:51AlexPWe are ahead of schedule!
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20:25:51AlexPfunman: It wasn't me, it was the catalan translation
20:25:51CIA-5New commit by alex (r26262): FS #11293 - Catalan language update by AdriƔn Cereto MassaguƩ
20:25:51DBUGEnqueued KICK AlexP
20:25:51AlexPWhich is half way through committing
20:25:52mitkI think it was commit ddos
20:25:52jhMikeSamiconn: the patch (just made to work with this and using blue noise to randomize phases):">
20:25:52flipeok, I will continue with new rockbox and 2.2.26 OF
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20:27:04jhMikeSor is that purple noise (differentiated white noise)
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20:34:14b0hoonjhMikeS: is this look ok to you? ->
20:35:01jhMikeSb0hoon: was to fix after removing r12 save? if so, it looks right
20:35:39b0hoonjhMikeS: yes that's it
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20:36:00CIA-5New commit by alex (r26263): Ooops, forgot CREDITS.
20:36:09AlexPHow did that work?
20:36:25jhMikeShrm...svn is up but not
20:36:28jhMikeS*main site
20:36:47AlexPI set it off about 15 minutes ago
20:37:43jhMikeSah, the new commit debounce delay
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20:40:39CIA-5New commit by funman (r26264): manual: wake up alarm buttons for Clip and Fuze keymaps
20:40:43funmanthe Wake-Up Alarm section in main_menu/main.tex looks outdated: I think rockbox doesn't power off anymore when validating the settings
20:41:40funmannot since r5818
20:41:46bertrikfunman, 330 mAh capacity and about 11 hours runtime means about 30 mA current for ogg playback, not bad :) I think this has improved quite a bit compared to a year ago
20:41:58n1sfunman: it should on the archoses still or else it won't work afaiu
20:42:04funman11 hours ? i get 8 hours for mp3 playback :/
20:42:48funmann1s: then it doesn't work since r5818 ?
20:43:01funmani can't see power_off() in alarm_menu.c or rtc drivers
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20:43:23n1smaybe the archos user(s) haven't noticed
20:43:57n1sor i'm dead wrong and the manual is just outdated
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20:44:39funmanhm in this commit the string "Shutting Down.." was changed to "Alarm Set" so I guess it wasn't needed anymor
20:45:12mitkZagor: Build server kicked me with: "Fatal build error: Missing log file. You have been temporarily disabled." Just fyi.
20:45:33Zagor_yeah, we're having a slight server snafu
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20:49:44CIA-5New commit by funman (r26265): manual: make the wake-up alarm entry up to date with the current code
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20:57:13CIA-5New commit by b0hoon (r26266): fix YUV Dither for the other targets too, like in r26064.
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20:58:39jhMikeShrm...that dither code's really made its way around the tree
20:59:06mitknls: I think scrob in FS #11311 asked about "This phrase below was not present in the translated file" string itself so answer should be "no" IMHO.
21:00:07mitkn1s: ^^
21:00:28pixelmahow long should a mail take until it appears in the ml? :|
21:00:28jhMikeSsurely it should be possible to macro the pixel-write part and avoid so much duplication ??
21:00:58AlexPpixelma: At the moment, ages
21:01:24AlexPThere is/was something up with the mail servers
21:01:37pixelmaAlexP: could you slow down your translation updates a bit? ;)
21:01:43Zagor_pixelma: I have stopped the mail server. we're clogged up with spam right now.
21:01:51AlexPpixelma: sure :)
21:02:46pixelmathe one time I write to the list :(
21:03:06AlexPNo smoke without fire!
21:04:25jhMikeSno fire without oxygen
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21:08:42Buschel_saratoga: thanks for testing. My patch should do the same as your first re-ordering. Is there a difference?
21:08:55Buschel_saratoga: (talking of libmad)
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21:10:27bertrikDidn't we have a convention for commit comments, something like Flyspray: FS #XXXXX and Author: YYY (each on a single line) ?
21:11:34AlexPdid we?
21:11:53gevaertsIt was proposed and discussed
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21:11:53*GodEater is now the proud(?) owner of one less tooth than he had this morning =/
21:12:11bertrikI think so, to identify regular contributors more easily (and possibly automated)
21:12:22AlexPIs it documented anywhere>
21:12:24GodEaterand in the wrong channel too :)
21:12:37bertrik(contributors that are not committers yet)
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21:13:53Buschel_saratoga: just checked. there is no change in the order of mul/ldr... what is the difference between svn and my patch?
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21:15:57jhMikeSBuschel: I take it the iPod thing cleared up? I checked the sim and it seemed ok, with proper menu display.
21:16:24Buschel_saratoga: to speak more clear -> there is no difference in the ordering when I compare your initial patch with my last one
21:16:41Buschel_jhMikeS: yes. I have closed the bug report. works for me now :o)
21:17:58bertrikAlexP, I do find a reference to a formal commit template in the DevConEuro2009 summary, but no other documentation about it
21:18:22AlexPwe should publicise it then :)
21:18:43AlexPI was at DevCon2009, so I must have been part of the discussion
21:18:45gevaertsThere's a mailing list thread about it
21:18:55AlexPBut had clearly completely forgotten :)
21:19:02*jhMikeS should see what that libmad patch does on arm11
21:19:14AlexPOn UsingSVN would seem a good place, where it tells you how to commit and stuff
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21:23:40AlexPgevaerts, bertrik: Looks like a format was never agreed, just people thought it was a good idea in general
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21:24:32gevaertsAlexP: and further is the closest
21:24:39CIA-5New commit by b0hoon (r26267): manual: add a forgotten note about reseting settings for the vibe 500.
21:24:48AlexPyeah, I just read that
21:25:23saratogaBuschel: sorry, you're right
21:25:25saratogai must have misread
21:25:31saratogai'm not sure why the difference
21:25:32amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm, interesting trick
21:25:50amiconnI wonder whether this can be "inverted" so that it works the right way round
21:27:11Buschelsaratoga: what is the difference? in MHz?
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21:27:55saratogaBuschel: about 150kHz
21:28:13saratogabasically the same as the original patch was supposed to save, except slower rather then faster
21:28:29jhMikeSamiconn: I couldn't without using mvn to invert it afterwords, lemme think, would subtracting instead of adding do it?
21:28:31Buschelsaratoga: strange. did you re-test your initial patch?
21:29:16saratogaBuschel: i haven't had a chance, but at the time i did several repeats and the results were consistent
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21:29:33amiconnjhMikeS: I'm thinking about bic/and
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21:34:46jhMikeSamiconn: I just wanted as much out of the loop as possible and inverting made it simple but if there is a way...
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21:37:15*jhMikeS should fix (somthing mentioned) in FS #10474 since if the tuner is disabled, you can't communcate with it to tune it.
21:39:48*amiconn also wonders whether this trick would also work on cf
21:40:00amiconn...or sh1
21:41:38amiconnMaybe there's a mul trick
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21:42:35jhMikeSmul trick?
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21:46:07amiconnOn cf... of course not on arm
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21:48:08CIA-5New commit by b0hoon (r26268): Vibe 500: fix the scrolling through the lists by implementing BUTTON_REPEAT for the scrollstrip.
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21:55:27LloreanApparently flyspray is bugging out if you try to close a task at the moment
21:56:11LloreanThe tasks do close, at least.
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22:07:06Blue_DudeI wanted to reask a question that wasn't answered earlier: should we be propagating deprecated strings to translation lang files?
22:08:13pixelmaLlorean: a task you watched? Or maybe in general, Zagor said he took down the mailing lists due to a spam attack and if flyspray wants to send out notification mails, it might get sime trouble
22:09:01Blue_DudeWell there sure have been a lot of deprecated strings being passed verbatim to translation langs lately.
22:09:29BagderBlue_Dude: that's completely unnecessary, but they don't do any harm either
22:09:55Blue_DudeBagder: Maybe, but why copy them over to begin with?
22:10:14Bagderlack of knowledge I guess
22:10:37pixelmagenlang will do it for you
22:10:41Lloreanpixelma: Yeah, the error message mentions SMTP so I imagine it's to do with mail notifications
22:11:06Blue_DudeWe're going to branch, when? Still on the 27th?
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22:12:12CIA-5New commit by jethead71 (r26269): Si4700 tuner: It doesn't like to do i2c while powered off and hangs the bus. Make 'pause' simply be 'mute', allowing tuning during user mute as well ...
22:12:42Blue_DudeI'd like to nuke the dead strings in the lang files and force a voice rebuild for v3.6. It's been a long time coming.
22:13:37pixelman1s wanted to do that after the release
22:15:11Blue_DudeWhy after?
22:15:48jhMikeSperhaps that should always be a pre-release housecleaning?
22:16:49Blue_DudeThat's what I was thinking.
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22:20:41LearjhMikeS: Hm, just upgraded and got a "freezing" rewind almost immediately (I could still stop and shutdown so not a full freeze). Not easily repeatable.
22:20:58jhMikeSwhich target?
22:21:40n1sBlue_Dude: i think it's nicer to break stuff after release
22:21:44jhMikeSodd, I just checked and got one myself. (gigabeat S)
22:21:54*Blue_Dude shrugs.
22:22:00LearIt could be one of those rare playback.c glitches, but it did happen just now. :)
22:22:41jhMikeSit just happened to me on my first try? hmmm...
22:23:00LearThe WPS stays in a rewind state?
22:23:05Blue_DudeLear: I had something like that happen yesterday (pre-svn update).
22:23:26jhMikeSnow I can't duplicate :\
22:23:35jhMikeSLear: hard lock (watchdog cut power)
22:23:58jhMikeSI was playing the radio first for awhile, then went to playback
22:24:06Lear No radio here.
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22:25:13bieberFlyspray comments aren't working, so I just posted a patch at that adds my completed (or at least I think it's complete) WPS parser for JdGordon's new WPS format
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22:26:41bieberIt only has a handful of tags in its tag table (and they're made up for testing purposes), but you can add new ones easily enough to test it. Anyone who wants to, play with it and see if you can get it to break
22:27:27jhMikeSLear: hmmm, nothing really changed functionally in pcm, just moving something "up". I'll stare at it.
22:28:15jhMikeStwo *very* different hardware, and I can't bloody do it again! :)
22:29:48jhMikeSI did rolo beforehand however
22:30:14*bluebroth3r thinks that for(/*NO INIT*/;...) looks weird
22:30:17bertrikjhMikeS, I thought the problem with the si4700 was that it was hanging in the tune loop when the radio is powered down, rather than i2c not working
22:30:57bluebroth3rbieber: why not use a while loop instead? Looks more straighforward to me for such a case (though it's only cosmetics)
22:31:27bieberWill do
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22:31:47bieberI was afraid that one might look a little clunky
22:32:02bluebroth3rwell, I have to admit that I like while loops better in general :)
22:32:20bieberThere's a few of those in there, too ;)
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22:32:35jhMikeSbertrik: that probably would happen if the i2c wasn't quite working. I couldn't tell if it was timing out in the driver and looping or just looping.
22:32:44bieberWould it be worth splitting generic_parser.c up into multiple files? Towards the end it was getting a little cumbersome to dig through
22:32:51jhMikeS*the i2c driver that is, which give 1s to finish
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22:34:29jhMikeSin any case, that mean STC wouldn't go high or can't be read. safe to say it didn't like it and works fine just muted.
22:36:46bieberbluebroth3r: Was email on the server also lost when the site/mailing list went down? I emailed the address that was listed for SVN access last week, but haven't heard back from him yet
22:37:07jhMikeSLear: which e200? I have v1 and it's all good here.
22:37:18Learv1 too.
22:37:25Bagderbieber: sorry, it's just been delayed due to the mess we've had. I'll get to it as soon as possible
22:37:39bieberOkay, thanks
22:38:00*bluebroth3r too slow :o
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22:38:14bertrikjhMikeS, ok. Does it still fully turn off the tuner when exiting the radio screen? Not doing so could cost a lot of unnecessary current consumption (about 15 mA IIRC)
22:38:21bieberToo slow?
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22:38:54bluebroth3rtoo slow answering. Bagder was faster :)
22:39:50jhMikeSbertrik: not unless we make it
22:40:02bluebroth3rdo we indent preprocessor macros in Rockbox? I can't remember having seen that before.
22:40:09bluebroth3r(in Rockbox code that is)
22:41:18bieberOh, I guess I did indent a couple
22:41:50gevaertsI don't think we have a clear rule on that
22:42:36n1smost often we don't at least
22:43:06bluebroth3ra general reason for not indenting preprocessor statements is that some compilers require the # to be in row 0. Stuff like "# if(foo)" is ok for those. However, this doesn't affect us as we're gcc only
22:43:46bluebroth3rso I won't object against indenting preprocessor statements, though IMO they are more readable if not indented.
22:43:58*bluebroth3r waits for someone to propose a rule :)
22:44:07jhMikeSbertrik: I'm sure there's a better way to go that that, but what it is now is better than freezeup (and 15mA? bad, but not horrible on serveral-hundred mAh battery no?)
22:44:38bieberI'd vote for unindented
22:45:30bertrikjhMikeS, it might already work correctly as it is now in SVN
22:45:38*jhMikeS thinks they can be more readable in certain cases if indented at the same level at their local block
22:45:49bertrikbut 15 mA is quite a lot, that's half of the normal playing current
22:46:07n1si think indented preprocessor stuff *looks* weird but i think that's just because i'm not used to it, it is a fair deal easier to read in the real #ifdef hellholes
22:47:45jhMikeSbertrik: what does? You're right though, how could you turn it on if i2c was hanging? :P haha must just not set STC in that state
22:48:01pamauryIs there a problem with pcm audio in the simulator or is the problem with me ?
22:48:19*jhMikeS was using it earlier
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22:49:22bertrikjhMikeS, I meant that the si4700 is still powered down when the radio is stopped
22:49:54jhMikeSbertrik: yeah, when you do "off", but not for "pause" only
22:49:58bertrikbecause you only modified radio_pause, so all is still well I think
22:50:32jhMikeSit sees "2" and knows it not actually to go full off
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22:51:39jhMikeSthe other tuners treat anything not 0 as simple "true"
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22:52:20solexxUm, a purple L just came over to visit in in the DoD. polytrap?
22:52:52solexxThe wiki says, the only appear in Gehennom.
22:52:58jhMikeSsolexx: I don't know but it sounds like Sesame street
22:53:23solexxjhMikeS: Darn, wrong channel. :-/
22:54:37jhMikeSbertrik: wait, wtf, you were thinking I left it on all the time?
22:55:19bertrikjhMikeS, yeah, sorry, I actually thought that before checking the code and your changes ...
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23:02:18jhMikeSit's left on when you exit paused, yes
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23:15:41*kugel also thinks that r26253 shouldn't have been committed during the freeze
23:15:50kugelunless it fixes any known bugs, does it?
23:18:06jhMikeSdepends on what "known" and "bugs" means
23:18:59kugele.g. something on flyspray
23:19:01Bagderfixes unknown bugs would be a bit of a surprise
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23:19:41jhMikeSyes, I pushed it...but if TPTB command, I'll revert and wait on it.
23:21:09jhMikeSThe Powers That Be
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23:32:48amiconnjhMikeS: I think inverting is possible with just one changed instruction...
23:34:23jhMikeSamiconn: you mean normal phase, but inverting the outcome?
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23:43:10amiconnI am wondering about the changed noise init
23:43:43jhMikeSincidental really. I was just experimenting with filtering out low frequencies in the rand function
23:45:08amiconnDoes it cause any visible change? I wouldn't expect any...
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23:54:36funmanjhMikeS: recording is broken on clip+
23:56:04jhMikeSamiconn: i think the formula is wrong and it needs/2 first or it just goes right be to white noise. I have to check it properly.
23:56:19jhMikeSfunman: it could be, yes
23:56:26amiconnI think it doesn't matter at all
23:58:24jhMikeSamiconn: probably not since it likely just gets randomized again as pixels change
23:58:31amiconnYes, exactly

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