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| 09:54:48 | n1s | ah, site's back up |
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| 10:07:42 | pixelma | JdGordon: I got the classic radio screen done now but there was one small problem I experienced with r26220 (last available daily) - the preset number always returns something. When I'm not on a preset it is a "0" but a %?Ti will always be true so I can't surpress the display |
| 10:08:14 | JdGordon | so put a %?tm<> before it |
| 10:09:00 | JdGordon | the tag for scan/preset mode i mean |
| 10:09:04 | JdGordon | I may have got that wrong |
| 10:09:28 | pixelma | no, you can be in scan mode and can still see if you "hit" a preset |
| 10:09:43 | n1s | wow, we #define DEFAULT_CONTRAST and DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING |
| 10:10:08 | pixelma | IMO that's a "must" to be able to manually put your preset file together |
| 10:10:49 | JdGordon | if you are in scan mode then you dont have presets around |
| 10:10:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: it works as I expected for preset name, why not preset number? |
| 10:11:10 | pixelma | you can |
| 10:11:35 | JdGordon | that is a damn good question.... both are useing the exact same codepath |
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| 10:13:38 | JdGordon | ok, how do you get to this state? load a preset file then go into scan mode? |
| 10:13:46 | pixelma | yes |
| 10:13:56 | JdGordon | ok hang on |
| 10:14:12 | * | pixelma spots a Zagor around |
| 10:15:04 | * | Zagor waves |
| 10:15:31 | JdGordon | pixelma: %ti is preset inmdex? |
| 10:17:02 | pixelma | Zagor: during the downtime I noticed something weird on the download mirrors. They have "oldstylename-currentdate" and "newstylename-currentdate" dailies in the subfolders, the content of the old style ones is from before the rename action but they keep the zips and those zips even get new dates |
| 10:17:08 | pixelma | JdGordon: %Ti |
| 10:17:40 | Zagor | pixelma: odd |
| 10:18:16 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you test a patch? |
| 10:18:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes, now that svn is up again |
| 10:19:09 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/zL9GNKMS |
| 10:19:13 | JdGordon | nice n easy fix |
| 10:19:16 | JdGordon | if it works :p |
| 10:19:18 | wodz | do You have good source for li-ion/lipo batteries to be used as replacement in DAP? |
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| 10:20:23 | n1s | wodz: the CameronSino batterys are good (got one for my h320) i don't know about resellers outside Sweden though, but i think some ebay shops have them |
| 10:21:27 | pixelma | JdGordon: compiling will take a bit though |
| 10:21:38 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 10:21:49 | wodz | my main problem is I don't know battery type - it should just fit in place and dimensions are rarely stated |
| 10:22:01 | pixelma | my radio modded OndioFM |
| 10:22:34 | pixelma | err... backlight modde :) |
| 10:23:46 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.info/rockbox/ajbrec.ajz |
| 10:24:25 | pixelma | thanks, I'll compile nonetheless but this is quicker |
| 10:29:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: is there file fully uploaded? I get the "what to do with the file" dialogue and set it to "ask where" for the save file item but it doesn't ask... |
| 10:30:01 | JdGordon | wierd... wfm |
| 10:30:25 | JdGordon | what about irc dcc? |
| 10:30:41 | pixelma | doesn't work in my client |
| 10:31:08 | JdGordon | http://filebin.ca/goedwf/ajbrec.ajz |
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| 10:36:14 | pixelma | JdGordon: either the file wasn't uploaded completely or you must have done something wrong... RoLoing gives me a "Rockbox Rescue Boo/RoLot" cycle (and a slight panic but I was able to turn it off) |
| 10:36:33 | pixelma | Boot and RoLo |
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| 10:39:42 | pixelma | filesize is way too small, hmm |
| 10:41:31 | pixelma | ok, compiling my own now |
| 10:42:09 | wodz | current_tick is incremented in kernel tick or it is read from timer register? |
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| 10:49:23 | pixelma | JdGordon, JdGord: the patch doesn't even compile for me. It fails: in function 'get_radio_token': |
| 10:49:26 | pixelma | /home/Marianne/SVN/rockbox/apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_tokens.c:439: error: syntax error before ';' token |
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| 11:04:10 | Topic | "Now in feature freeze for 3.6 | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | DevCon2010 will be from June 4th to 6th in Ghent, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevConEuro2010" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:04:17 | AlexP | Seeing as we seem to be back and all |
| 11:05:40 | B4gder | our plan is to switch provider, tomorrow around 13:00 central european |
| 11:06:05 | AlexP | Seems fair enough |
| 11:06:09 | pixelma | that was quick |
| 11:06:14 | AlexP | I seem to remember this not being the first time |
| 11:06:29 | B4gder | exactly, we have no faith left in these guys |
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| 11:11:35 | pixelma | JdGordon: compiles without the patch |
| 11:12:03 | JdGordon | ok that is wierd |
| 11:12:59 | JdGordon | oh! |
| 11:13:38 | JdGordon | I hit b too early and got the bootloader build |
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| 11:14:39 | JdGordon | pixelma http://jdgordon.info/rockbox/ajbrec.ajz |
| 11:15:31 | pixelma | aha, now I'm also asked where to save to |
| 11:15:48 | pixelma | did the patch compile for you then? |
| 11:16:08 | JdGordon | no, i missed a ) |
| 11:16:14 | JdGordon | but it didnt fail the build because apps/ wasnt being built |
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| 11:16:31 | pixelma | ok, let's see |
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| 11:17:07 | JdGordon | quick.. i want to ci before going t the pub :p |
| 11:17:24 | pixelma | seems to work now :) |
| 11:17:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: do you also know something about the auto-change directory code? |
| 11:18:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26246): fix the %Ti (preset index) not working with conditionls correctly |
| 11:18:13 | JdGordon | I suppose I should... whats the problem? |
| 11:18:24 | pixelma | it crashes on hwcodec |
| 11:18:46 | pixelma | when it actually has to change to a new directory |
| 11:18:52 | JdGordon | its been in for 3 years at least :) so finding when it broke would be hel;pful |
| 11:19:23 | pixelma | hmm, I suppose... if testing on Ondio wouldn't be such a |
| 11:20:44 | JdGordon | unless it never worked? |
| 11:21:39 | pixelma | I have no idea, it's the first I tried IIRC |
| 11:22:22 | JdGordon | I would laugh hysterically if it never did |
| 11:22:32 | JdGordon | proving that hwcodec and charcell should DIE! |
| 11:23:02 | JdGordon | *gone* |
| 11:23:10 | pixelma | no, proving the usefulness of auto-change directory... |
| 11:24:31 | pixelma | the reported address is weirdly in _cue_find_current_track (apps/cuesheet.o) |
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| 11:40:41 | pixelma | can I change a lang ID just like that or do I always have to deprecate the string and add a new? |
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| 11:41:28 | n1s | pixelma: depends on how you do it |
| 11:41:58 | n1s | if you just change the ID you should be fine |
| 11:42:03 | JdGord | It mostly depends how soon after the string was added |
| 11:42:25 | n1s | just s/LANG_FOO/LANG_BAR/ is fine |
| 11:42:48 | n1s | the binary lang files depend on the order of the strings, not the actual ID |
| 11:43:05 | pixelma | n1s: idea, description, source (and dest, voice in english.lang) need to be changed |
| 11:43:08 | n1s | I think i'm going to do a cleanup aftr we release |
| 11:43:15 | bluebroth3r | any details know about the site outage? |
| 11:43:16 | pixelma | er s/idea/ID |
| 11:45:08 | pixelma | n1s: I want to change the reuse of "FM Radio" which is in the main menu for the radio screen theme item. That won't be a problem for "FM Radio" itself because I need a new string for this anyways but for the "Remote FM Radio" string |
| 11:45:19 | pixelma | this one would need changing |
| 11:45:49 | n1s | pixelma: i think it's ok, it will play the old voice clip with an old voice file though, but if you change it so any targets that didn't have the string gets it or vice versa, every voice clip after that one will be off |
| 11:46:57 | n1s | but honestly, deprecated strings are quite cheap and as i said, i'll clean them out after the release unless someone else beats me to it |
| 11:47:38 | n1s | they cost 3 bytes IIRC |
| 11:48:05 | pixelma | my suggestion is to change it to "Radio Screen" and "Remote Radio Screen" and I'd like to have it in the release because the current ones are confusing (noticed when I had to explain the remote one to a translator here) |
| 11:48:31 | pixelma | unfortunately that will make the already updated translations incorrect again |
| 11:48:52 | n1s | true |
| 11:49:37 | n1s | what *is* kind of expensive is when people keep adding identical strings to the lang files, whihc i will also try to sort out |
| 11:49:42 | pixelma | ok, I first try if I can manage to do the necessary code changes, then send a mail to the dev list probably |
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| 12:03:54 | * | pixelma notices some "### hints for the translator" in nederlands.lang |
| 12:04:07 | n1s | yay! |
| 12:06:19 | ssorgatem | talking about translations... last week I posted an updated translation of catalan |
| 12:06:25 | ssorgatem | on FS |
| 12:06:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26247): as3543 rtc wakeup: fix power off ... |
| 12:06:49 | pixelma | n1s: as in "cheap way to up my commit count"? |
| 12:06:55 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26248): mkamsboot/rbutil/amsinfo : do not try to detect the model of a given Sansa AMS OF ... |
| 12:08:22 | n1s | pixelma: that's one way to look at it, and also it usually means incomplete translation so a bit more sarcastic "yay" |
| 12:08:54 | pixelma | it was just updated last Friday or so |
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| 12:12:34 | pixelma | including these |
| 12:12:47 | n1s | pixelma: from a quick look, it looks as if at least some strings were not translated at all, and just left as english |
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| 12:19:41 | wodz | what targets are !HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
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| 12:19:54 | wodz | ? |
| 12:20:12 | pixelma | the Archos Player - it has a charcell display |
| 12:20:56 | wodz | the only one? |
| 12:21:02 | ssorgatem | Can someone look at FS #11293 and commit it if it's OK? |
| 12:24:13 | Torne | anyone want to comment on my proposed patch for font loading, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11168 |
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| 12:24:27 | Torne | i'd like to commit it for 3.6 if possible to remove the six-second delay on booting on ipodvideo ;) |
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| 12:25:39 | pixelma | argh, why do I now get a crash in powermanagement on my Ondio? the flashed build didn't change and should work at least |
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| 12:34:46 | kugel | Torne: I'm not sure about this one. What means buffer_alloc() w.r.t. to changing fonts after boot? |
| 12:34:58 | Torne | it doesn't mean anything |
| 12:35:03 | Torne | it only allocates the buffer once |
| 12:35:08 | pixelma | hmm, yesterday I flashed revision 26060 and now I found out that's a revision inbetween a commit and its "revert because it breaks Archos targets" :\ |
| 12:35:26 | pixelma | a powermanagement related |
| 12:36:38 | pixelma | ok, installing the full build of r26060 at least gave me access to my Ondio back |
| 12:39:06 | JdGord | Torne can we fix fontcache instead? |
| 12:39:35 | Torne | JdGord: go on then :) |
| 12:39:57 | JdGord | I'm not sure that should go in 3.6... |
| 12:40:26 | Torne | indeed |
| 12:41:13 | Torne | (seriously though, dynamically allocating the font buffer is probably a good idea *anyway*) |
| 12:41:39 | Torne | i'd just like 3.6 not to take twice as long to boot on ipodvideo as anything else |
| 12:41:57 | Torne | the "quickest" way of fixing that is to slap #define MAX_FONT_SIZE 300000 in ipodvideo.h :) |
| 12:42:01 | JdGord | I tend yo agree. But being in freeze means no new code |
| 12:42:03 | Torne | but that wastes memory for everybody |
| 12:42:39 | Torne | ..how do you fix bugs without producing new code? :) |
| 12:43:11 | JdGord | Wee |
| 12:43:19 | JdGord | Well yeah |
| 12:44:10 | * | Torne shrugs, we can leave it.. 3.5, 3.4, etc all booted slow :) |
| 12:44:15 | Torne | the slowness isn't new |
| 12:44:42 | Torne | in general, though, even if the font cache gets fixed i think dynamic allocation makes sense |
| 12:44:50 | Torne | up to some limit dependent on available memory |
| 12:45:06 | Torne | because not having to use the cache is quicker at boot time *and* runtime, even if the cache worked better |
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| 12:45:34 | Torne | (and the lower limits could probably stand to be quite a bit smaller than the amount we allocate now) |
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| 12:45:57 | Torne | (the font i use only takes half the buffer) |
| 12:46:15 | JdGord | Its BS false economies... forcing it to use the cache means a slighlty bigger file buffer |
| 12:47:46 | pixelma | weird, just copying over the ajbrec.ajz, the flash image and the flash plugin seems to have worked (RoLo worked then and flashing did, now unzipping the complete build). Since the firmware on the Archoses should basically work without the additional files, I really wonder what was going on there :/ |
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| 12:49:38 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26249): fix: when move_handle() is successful, the return value ... |
| 12:49:48 | * | bluebroth3r thinks that being in freeze means "no new features", not "no new code" |
| 12:51:07 | Torne | Hm, i just realised it doesn't work, though :) |
| 12:51:11 | Torne | well, in a pretty obscure case |
| 12:51:21 | Torne | it will go weirdly wrong if you boot up with the ui font set to sysfont |
| 12:51:23 | Torne | and then set a font later |
| 12:51:37 | Torne | incidentally, why does buffer_alloc *not check if playback is running* :) |
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| 12:56:17 | Torne | that seems.. dangerous ;) |
| 12:56:25 | JdGord | To make sure whoever is calling it is paying attention |
| 12:56:49 | Torne | hehe |
| 12:57:24 | JdGord | Buffer_alloc. Is a bad idea in general |
| 12:57:33 | * | Torne hrms? |
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| 13:01:02 | wodz | Torne: what is the status of ipod shutdown? |
| 13:01:11 | Torne | hm? |
| 13:01:16 | Torne | we're stumped |
| 13:02:00 | wodz | I can test on mini 1G if You will have some new ideas |
| 13:02:55 | Torne | no, we have no idea. |
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| 13:03:22 | Torne | and it doesn't seem like it even behaves the same for everyone on the same model. |
| 13:03:36 | Torne | so.. yeah. |
| 13:03:49 | wodz | which fix will be shipped with 3.6? |
| 13:04:02 | Torne | hm? the one that's in there now :) |
| 13:04:28 | wodz | so "battery low icon at the end" fix? |
| 13:04:42 | pixelma | wasn't there a new bootloader to test on Mini 1G? |
| 13:05:15 | Torne | yes |
| 13:05:18 | Torne | can you test that, please? :) |
| 13:05:24 | Torne | wodz: no, that was reverted ages ago |
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| 13:06:37 | wodz | Torne: is build for this test bootloader uploaded somewere or should I compile on my own? |
| 13:06:48 | Torne | it's on the forum thread |
| 13:07:32 | wodz | ok, I can test this but later, I don't have usb cable with me now. |
| 13:08:47 | wodz | Why ipod batteris have so low capacity? |
| 13:08:59 | Torne | hm? |
| 13:09:33 | wodz | original mini is ~500mAh and with this dimensions it can be 1000 or more |
| 13:09:44 | Torne | it can *now*, yes |
| 13:10:29 | Torne | it came out in january 2004, though.. |
| 13:11:15 | wodz | but even recent ipods have quite low capacity. Ipod Touch 3G is shipped with 800mAh or 880 and battery *is* big - something like 40x50x3mm |
| 13:14:59 | Torne | also, everything's driven by cost, no? |
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| 13:17:18 | wodz | yeh, terror of accountatns |
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| 13:22:47 | gevaerts | Torne: what will happen with UI font == sysfont? |
| 13:22:59 | Torne | gevaerts: well, font_load doesn't get called on startup then |
| 13:23:02 | Torne | so the buffer alloc won't get done |
| 13:23:11 | Torne | and then if you later load a font, it will try and do it then |
| 13:23:11 | gevaerts | ah, right |
| 13:23:20 | Torne | which will screw stuff up if buffering is active :) |
| 13:23:33 | Torne | gevaerts: what do you think of the approach, though? |
| 13:23:36 | gevaerts | that does sound like "going wrong" indeed :) |
| 13:23:38 | Torne | assuming it was fixed? |
| 13:23:56 | Torne | is it worth doing 1) at all, or do we just fix the cache and leave the buffer as it is 2) in 3.6 |
| 13:24:14 | Torne | i'm undecided whether it counts as a bugfix or a feature ;) |
| 13:24:23 | gevaerts | I'd see it as a bugfix |
| 13:24:33 | Torne | i guess the simplest "bugfix" would be to make the buffer statically 300KB on ipodvideo, which is the only player that seems to actually have the problem |
| 13:24:45 | Torne | font cache loading is slower on everything, but not so much that you really notice |
| 13:26:23 | gevaerts | right |
| 13:26:33 | * | gevaerts is undecided |
| 13:27:45 | gevaerts | a static 300KB buffer is obviously the simple safe fix |
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| 13:31:51 | Torne | Well, doing nothing is the simplest/safest |
| 13:31:57 | Torne | this issue isn't technically new |
| 13:32:08 | Torne | it's been like this for a couple of releases at least |
| 13:32:24 | Torne | so it's not a regression from 3.5 or 3.4 |
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| 13:34:43 | Torne | i suspect we should just ignore it for 3.6 |
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| 13:40:33 | wodz | as I remember we do not have *alloc functions. So how are dynamic lists generated? |
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| 13:41:36 | * | pixelma has a nice "Radio Screen" and resp. "Remote Radio Screen" in theme settings now |
| 13:41:56 | wodz | context - I am looking how to move most of the code from app/debug_menu.c to target tree and I am wondering how to create list of debug functions on the fly |
| 13:43:04 | Torne | wodz: er, but surely the available debug functions are known at compile time |
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| 13:43:11 | Torne | why would you want to dynamically build it? |
| 13:43:27 | flipe | hi! |
| 13:43:32 | wodz | something like add_list_item(char *tilte, (*function)(void)) |
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| 13:43:47 | flipe | someone knows if rockbox r26249 fuze v2 can be used with OF 2.03.33 (last one)? |
| 13:43:56 | Torne | the debug menu is statically build at the moment, though |
| 13:44:01 | Torne | why would you want it to be dynamic? |
| 13:44:02 | wodz | Torne: debug_menu.c is a mess lots of ifdefs, code duplication etc. |
| 13:44:07 | Torne | Yes, I know |
| 13:44:19 | Torne | i'm just saying i'm not sure why you have to build the menu dynamically to fix that. |
| 13:45:09 | wodz | hmm. I can in theory define list for each target (group of targets)... |
| 13:45:45 | funman | flipe: yes, build mkamsboot from svn |
| 13:46:19 | wodz | but it would be much more elegant to 1) define generic list valid for all targets 2) add to this list cpu/platform specyfic stuf 3)add target specyfic stuff if any |
| 13:46:55 | flipe | ok, I will tried to download it, because I tried to download rockbox utility from svn and it was an oddisey |
| 13:46:56 | funman | can't you add specific entries statically ? |
| 13:47:20 | wodz | funman: I don't understand |
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| 13:48:38 | Torne | wodz: it's just an array.. #include part of it from the target tree. |
| 13:49:00 | Torne | there's loads of ways to do this :) |
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| 13:49:34 | wodz | but this will again introduce ifdefs |
| 13:50:16 | funman | nope, just add a TARGET_DEBUG_MENU in menuitems[], and define this in the target headers |
| 13:50:45 | wodz | hmm that's clever |
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| 13:51:04 | funman | i think the only way to add entries to an array is through a macro |
| 13:53:42 | wodz | are there any targets which do not have dbg_ports() defined? |
| 13:54:09 | Torne | funman: I meant #include an entire source file into the middle of the array, but hey |
| 13:54:14 | Torne | :) |
| 13:55:16 | funman | wodz: only grep can tell! |
| 13:55:37 | wodz | I was afraid of this answer :-/ |
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| 14:05:10 | Luca_S | hello everybody! a quick question: how does song rating work in rockbox? I tag song rating in mediamonkey, but RB does not see it. however in the Azure theme are visible five black stars, as if rockbox supported some kind of song rating. in the wiki there are references to a wps context menu action called 'set song rating', but I can't find it in that menu. |
| 14:05:39 | Luca_S | (I forgot to say I'm using a FuzeV2) |
| 14:09:49 | bluebroth3r | Luca_S: Rockbox uses its database for rating. I don't know of any way to have that interact with any PC program (yet) |
| 14:11:00 | Luca_S | bluebroth3r: I see. but where do I set each song rating? |
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| 14:13:13 | bluebroth3r | Luca_S: good question. IIRC it was avaliable in the wps context menu, but I can't find it again. |
| 14:13:59 | bluebroth3r | ah, just found it: you have to enable "Gather runtime data" in the database settings first |
| 14:14:05 | bluebroth3r | otherwise the entry isn't shown at all. |
| 14:14:16 | pixelma | from the WPS context menu and with "gather runtime data enabled" IIRC, the manuals are available again |
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| 14:18:26 | Luca_S | just checked, it's written in the manual indeed. sorry. however it would be useful to specify that RB's rating is independent from the tags' rating. |
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| 14:18:30 | bug2000 | Is the Sansa Fuze v2 [unstable port] stable as the Clip [which is pretty stable]? |
| 14:18:30 | Torne | Luca_S: very few programs use the id3 tag rating |
| 14:18:46 | bug2000 | *Clip v1. |
| 14:18:53 | Torne | (and it would be *very* expensive to actually update that in rockbox, you have to rewrite the entire file usually) |
| 14:18:58 | Luca_S | bug2000: I'm using current svn and did not have a single crash in weeks |
| 14:19:36 | bug2000 | Good enough for me. Now to figure if I can make Rockbox the secondery firmware on it. |
| 14:19:46 | bug2000 | I want to secretly install it on that fuze *Evil Grin* |
| 14:22:00 | Luca_S | Torne: I see the problem with updating the tag, and the OF doesn't store it in the tag too (AFAIK). now looking in the manual for the meaning of the 'Gather runtime data' option |
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| 14:26:28 | * | bug2000 notes to himself there is no XM playback so he can delete all these files. |
| 14:29:49 | bug2000 | Nor a lot of other modular types. |
| 14:30:02 | * | bug2000 looks for a list of modular files supported by rockbox. |
| 14:31:44 | pixelma | I wonder what the status of the mikmod patch in the tracker is |
| 14:32:49 | bug2000 | Mikmod does support them. But I'm pretty sure I didn't see that on my clip when copied. |
| 14:32:58 | bug2000 | I think I should just make one of each and see whats get listed! |
| 14:33:17 | pixelma | just .mod in SVN |
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| 14:33:35 | bug2000 | Saved me time, so I can remove anything that isn't .mod from the clip? |
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| 14:35:00 | pixelma | some of my .nst files played after renaming them to .mod butall other a bit more complicated files with additional features didn't play |
| 14:36:54 | bug2000 | I'm still happy it plays spc :) |
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| 14:50:13 | bug2000 | Ok O_O |
| 14:50:31 | bug2000 | This is new. I just pluged rockbox to my PC and I see a USB cable. |
| 14:51:06 | gevaerts | I suspect you saw the cable before plugging it in :) |
| 14:51:37 | bug2000 | Nah, more like it froze with a cable paint. |
| 14:51:52 | bug2000 | I wonder if it's due to the fact I tried to crash it. |
| 14:52:11 | bug2000 | .mod files which are too big crash rockbox :) |
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| 14:54:08 | pixelma | bug2000: what I meant with my mikmod statement was that there is a started port of mikmod to Rockbox (first as a plugin but also a try to make it a codec and replace the current mod codec). But it's a patch and you would have to compile a build with it and I'm not sure if it is maintained. The port has to fight with Rockbox's limits regarding codecs etc. so is not the same as mikmod on PC or so, last time I tried the codec variant didn't play simple |
| 14:54:08 | pixelma | .mod files larger than the codec buffer which is something the SVN mod codec can though) |
| 14:54:28 | pixelma | it's some time ago, I admit |
| 14:54:58 | bug2000 | I see. |
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| 15:23:48 | pixelma | does someone remember whether the old radio screen (before skin support) used to scroll the station name if it didn't fit on the screen? I thought it did - but there is one disadvantage if you hear the screen updates on your target and stations with weak reception |
| 15:24:35 | pixelma | then you'll get a bit more noise if things scroll |
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| 15:25:26 | bug2000 | gevaerts: Must be related to the fact I tried to crash it. |
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| 16:32:40 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26250): as3525: show unmasked interrupts on unhandled IRQ |
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| 16:53:46 | Zagor | FYI: I will bring down the server after lunch CET tomorrow, to move it to our new hosting provider. |
| 16:56:32 | pixelma | topic-worthy? |
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| 16:57:54 | Zagor | pixelma: yes |
| 16:57:54 | n1s | Zagor: how long expected downtime? |
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| 16:58:23 | Zagor | n1s: 2-3 hours |
| 16:58:41 | Zagor | possibly less, but these things always take more time than you hope |
| 16:58:48 | n1s | they do |
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| 17:07:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26251): as3525*: sd_wait_for_state() is only used for waiting to SD_TRAN state |
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| 17:18:17 | pixelma | the longer I look, the more differences I find between the old radio screen and the new :| |
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| 17:26:15 | * | pixelma wonders how radio skins work with the button bar |
| 17:27:07 | pixelma | not many people with a FM-Recorder (or V2 with radio) around though.... |
| 17:28:35 | funman | s/around// :o) |
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| 17:29:47 | pixelma | you never know |
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| 17:38:49 | JdGordon | pixelma: you are entirely missing the point of skinning it then |
| 17:39:32 | JdGordon | and to answer your wonderings... button bar isnt drawn anymore |
| 17:39:38 | JdGordon | if you want it, you need to add it to the skin |
| 17:40:02 | pixelma | the default should still show a similar amount of info as before |
| 17:44:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: how would you add the button bar to the skin, is there a tag or something? |
| 17:44:53 | JdGordon | no, it would need to be drawn manually |
| 17:45:13 | pixelma | how? |
| 17:45:29 | JdGordon | setup the viewport, then draw the text |
| 17:45:44 | JdGordon | even if you do 3 viewports, thats maybe 6 lines of cod needed |
| 17:46:11 | pixelma | you can't do that as before... it was white text on black... |
| 17:47:24 | JdGordon | force the viewport colours |
| 17:47:37 | JdGordon | or wait till post 3.6 and use the new tag |
| 17:47:44 | pixelma | you currently can't on monochrome |
| 17:48:37 | JdGordon | ok |
| 17:49:51 | pixelma | and if I recall (though I only saw screenshots as the Ondio doesn't have it) it was context (screen) aware, your lines of code will become very messy even if it is possible. I don't have a very strong opinion even if it looks this way but if you take current functionality away it might be important |
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| 17:51:08 | JdGordon | I have a very strong opinion on the button bars, and you arnt going to like it |
| 17:51:40 | JdGordon | I also dont care too much about removing a barely used feature so 99% of other people have a much better experience |
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| 17:52:38 | pixelma | well if you wan't to remove it please but then do it correctly and announce it correctly and give people the possibility to rebuild it if they are inclined |
| 17:53:11 | JdGordon | you could just as easily use a bmp for it if oyu want to mimick the old behaviour |
| 17:53:38 | pixelma | one bitmap won't do |
| 17:53:50 | JdGordon | sure it will |
| 17:54:23 | pixelma | maybe a bitmap strip with I don't know how many entries |
| 17:54:27 | JdGordon | IIRC the bar *in* the fm screen was static |
| 17:54:47 | JdGordon | so put it in the fms at the bottom and use a real button bar in the sbs |
| 17:58:22 | bieber | JdGordon: With your WPS changes, what will conditionals look like? |
| 17:58:42 | bieber | Do you want a special character to separate the condition from the other arguments, or just have them all in there as one big list? |
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| 18:42:35 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26253): Make PCM->driver interface about as simple as it will get. Registered callback, zero data, alignment and stops are handled entirely inside pcm.c; ... |
| 18:43:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Inverting the meaning of phase should be no problem. As for the top 24 bits I don't know |
| 18:44:06 | amiconn | Does this optimisation actually speed up things? We do have to wait for the controller anyway... |
| 18:47:43 | amiconn | On mini g2 the top bits definitely do matter (16 bit data and serial bridge mode; the top halfword defines whether it's command or data) |
| 18:49:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it seems fine as far as the HW on 3g. I haven't formally tested it for speedup. |
| 18:50:40 | jhMikeS | I guess on g2 the you'd have to just clear the top bits, which would save one less instruction in the loop I guess |
| 18:51:35 | jhMikeS | what method do you normally use to test it so any comparison can be fair against older benchmarks? |
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| 18:52:20 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate |
| 18:52:38 | amiconn | test_fps tests greylib speed as well on the respective targets |
| 18:53:14 | jhMikeS | that gets the ISR speed? ah. didn't know that. |
| 18:53:36 | amiconn | The CPU load is a representation of isr speed |
| 18:53:50 | amiconn | Faster isr -> lower load |
| 18:54:28 | pixelma | those commits don't look like we are in a feature freeze much |
| 18:54:33 | amiconn | Btw, boosting on PP is not (only) necessary due to load, but rather because the lcd controller doesn't like clock chacnges during activity |
| 18:56:35 | jhMikeS | activity while scaling is hardly unique to that (recalling aborts if other core wasn't stopped) |
| 18:57:16 | flipe | can anybody help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox |
| 18:57:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26254): Cleanup r26253 red and yellow. |
| 18:58:27 | jhMikeS | pixelma: getting rid of dangling annoying complications is a bugfix, not adding a feature. :) |
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| 18:59:38 | yelped | Can someone SVN this patch please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11313 |
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| 19:02:12 | jhMikeS | blah, table's so wide now I did see all the junk on the right side :\ |
| 19:02:22 | pixelma | jhMikeS: depends on how many features... err... bugs it might come with. Changing such a lot of code and low level stuff has some chances I think |
| 19:03:08 | n1s | yelped: we are supposed to be feature frozen ubtill we release 3.6 |
| 19:04:07 | yelped | So, how do I apply it myself? |
| 19:04:17 | saratoga | see the patch page on the wiki |
| 19:04:36 | saratoga | i guess that guy with the wma file that doesn't play on the mailing list could be due to a broken ASF file |
| 19:04:52 | saratoga | if packets were missing or corrupted you'd get random skipping |
| 19:06:12 | yelped | It looks like it will take a while. |
| 19:07:12 | jhMikeS | pixelma: I checked every supported target (coldfire, pp5020, pp5002, s3c2440) I think that covers it. Is anything new going on into supported status? |
| 19:10:02 | jhMikeS | yeah, I knew I was pushing it though...just once. will keep it to bugfixes from now on :) |
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| 19:11:21 | flipe | can someone help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox |
| 19:13:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by Buschel (r26255): Correct new memcpy/memset functionality in test_mem plugin. Use appropriate clobber list for arm asm. |
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| 19:16:35 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26256): Really cleanup remaining r26253 yellow (hopefully). |
| 19:20:07 | * | jhMikeS goes bughunting (already noticed metronome keys don't work correctly now) :\ |
| 19:21:21 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26257): as3525: be sure all interrupts are disabled when recording |
| 19:23:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, the button for play is the same as quit, so you can't make it play on gigf and such (maybe others) |
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| 19:25:06 | jhMikeS | or something...seems to be a button conflict (tap works ok) |
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| 19:28:58 | jhMikeS | nvm, this time got it to go. :\ |
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| 19:30:27 | Buschel_ | saratoga: could you shortly test FS #11309 and give some figures on ARM9? |
| 19:31:30 | topik | is it possible to save the default 'no theme' wps of the clip+ to a wps file ? |
| 19:32:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by alex (r26258): FS #11269 - Slovak language update by Peter Lecky |
| 19:34:02 | AlexP | Lang people - I assume the answer to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11311 is yes? |
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| 19:36:08 | funman | can I use gcc's __builtin_clz() or is there a rockbox clz function somewhere? |
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| 19:37:33 | funman | nvm, i see other uses of __builtin_clz so it's ok |
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| 19:38:26 | jhMikeS | funman: not sure what the app is, but there's also find_first_set_bit, but this returns the LSb set |
| 19:39:31 | funman | ah this works too |
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| 19:39:43 | amiconn | lsb is easier than msb, with the help if this special trick to isolate it |
| 19:39:56 | amiconn | (well, unless the cpu has a clz instructions) |
| 19:40:00 | amiconn | -s |
| 19:40:27 | jhMikeS | fuman: it returns 32 if no bits are set (so bit 0 doesn't alias no bits) |
| 19:40:48 | funman | well bit 0 alias bit 0 ? |
| 19:40:59 | funman | hm nevermind |
| 19:41:16 | jhMikeS | of course, and bit 1 aliases bit 1, etc. all the way to 31. :) |
| 19:41:16 | funman | I guess I'll practive my english at devconeuro ;) |
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| 19:41:56 | gevaerts | funman: yes, with Germans, Belgians and Swedes :) |
| 19:46:25 | saratoga | Buschel_: should i test all of those formats |
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| 19:54:09 | funman | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55110 say the Clip+ battery is 340mAh |
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| 19:55:45 | jhMikeS | then it can charge at 238mA? (0.7C) ? |
| 19:57:02 | bertrik | We can control charging current in steps of 50 mA, so that would be 200 mA, although I'd be even more conservative |
| 19:57:12 | funman | iirc it's 55mA steps on as3543 |
| 19:57:23 | bertrik | oh sorry |
| 19:57:31 | Buschel_ | saratoga: no, only libmad is of interest |
| 19:58:02 | funman | hm no it's not constant steps |
| 19:58:18 | funman | the actual 150mA setting really is 140mA, we can go to 210mA or 280mA |
| 19:59:04 | funman | OF limits charging to 150mA (and it uses 50mA steps so I guess the code hasn't been updated) |
| 19:59:41 | bertrik | the initial capacity estimate of 350 mAh for the clip probably wasn't so bad :) |
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| 20:00:37 | funman | bertrik: isn't it marked on the clip(v1) battery? |
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| 20:01:20 | flipe | can someone help me to download and compilate mkamsboot from svn for fuze v2? I need it for install last OF with rockbox |
| 20:02:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: with the change it says 1/1:149 vs. 1/1:148, and the CPU load says 1% instead of 2% |
| 20:02:22 | amiconn | 2%? |
| 20:02:30 | bertrik | funman, no, at least I couldn't find an exact match, so I guessed it by extrapolating from other batteries of similar capacity |
| 20:02:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's what test_fps reported on my 3g Load: 2% before, Load: 1% after |
| 20:03:00 | funman | bertrik: hmm i have 2 clipv1 batteries which say 330mAh |
| 20:03:02 | saratoga | Buschel: i get that lame is very slightly slower |
| 20:03:13 | amiconn | Did you boost before? |
| 20:03:18 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 20:03:23 | amiconn | Something is not quite right.... |
| 20:03:30 | saratoga | same for mpc |
| 20:03:33 | saratoga | cook is no difference |
| 20:03:43 | jhMikeS | updated the plugin and the core between patching |
| 20:03:53 | funman | bertrik: should I assume it's the same for all clipv1 and change the capacity in sansaclip.h ? |
| 20:04:08 | jhMikeS | I forgot to boost the first time and the plugin reminded me (boost?) :) |
| 20:04:10 | amiconn | Load with svn should be about the same as on G1/G2 |
| 20:04:25 | bertrik | funman, what I remember is seeing some ATL part number on the package (in photos from a disassembly on ABI IIRC), not an actual capacity printed on the battery |
| 20:04:35 | jhMikeS | amiconn: is that too high? |
| 20:04:58 | funman | bertrik: http://anythingbutipod.com/images/forum/dfkt/sansa_clip/battery_replacement/P5170341mod.jpg |
| 20:05:51 | bertrik | funman, yes, sounds fair. What do you want to say with that picture? |
| 20:05:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Your values almost look like you disabled the actual output |
| 20:06:07 | funman | bertrik: just that there's the ATL marking and no mAh |
| 20:06:08 | jhMikeS | it shows the gradient |
| 20:06:11 | amiconn | Compare with the values for G1/g2 on LcdFrameRate |
| 20:06:27 | pixelma | jhMikeS: there was a PLA cleanup committed this week. In metronome this could have changed mappings on some targets - in some cases to a slightly less intuitive button (tap and play are on the same button now where play is a long press). This change makes controls work on all targets at least which didn't before although as I said on some other targets a bit harder, still controllable though) |
| 20:06:28 | amiconn | It's the same controller after all, using the same mode |
| 20:06:33 | bertrik | ok |
| 20:06:41 | pixelma | I guess metronome should just not use PLA |
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| 20:08:36 | jhMikeS | pixelma: I dicovered you need really hold that select button to start it on F/X. For some reason, well, I don't know what was going on. It worked when I was very deliberate about it and held it. |
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| 20:08:38 | funman | bertrik: http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8356/imgp0489m.jpg |
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| 20:09:09 | funman | could it be 2 different battery manufacturers? |
| 20:09:35 | funman | the number is the same (363830) |
| 20:10:03 | * | amiconn needs to check the plugin whether it still works as intended |
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| 20:10:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm watching plasma go right now (inverted since I didn't rebuild it). I think checking the plugin might be a good idea. :) |
| 20:10:57 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 20:11:09 | saratoga | Buschel_: perhaps the difference for MP3 is the reordering of mul and load instructions in your recent patch? the original patch alternated between them which I think is faster since the load delay is interleaved with the mul one |
| 20:11:14 | amiconn | If you only inverted the phase, this shouldn't cause any visible difference |
| 20:11:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it needs a complementary phase array |
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| 20:12:48 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26261): Clipv1 battery capacity is 330mAh |
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| 20:13:03 | jhMikeS | black needs to set the "sign" bit most quickly (because the controller inverts) |
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| 20:13:18 | bertrik | funman, the 363830 indicates the battery's dimensions, so maybe that could be the same even when from different manufacturers. The other number is also the same, I can't imagine that these numbers would both be the same for two different manufacturers |
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| 20:16:13 | AlexP | flipe: What OS are you using? |
| 20:17:00 | funman | according to ABI disassembly the Clip+ battery is 290mAh not 340 |
| 20:20:46 | flipe | funman, I have find new mkamsboot.c , how can I get mkamsboot.exe? |
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| 20:21:54 | funman | flipe: better wait next release of RockboxUtility. It's easy to brick your player if you don't know what you are doing |
| 20:21:55 | AlexP | hmmm, my commit seems to have hung |
| 20:23:00 | bertrik | also 'svn update' takes a very long time here for me |
| 20:23:31 | n1s | AlexP: yes, the translator should prefferably translate the new strings added since the last translation update :) |
| 20:23:31 | AlexP | n1s: I suspected so :) |
| 20:23:33 | n1s | I tried to post a comment but FS threw an error in my face |
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| 20:23:40 | pixelma | typical. When I decide "doesn't matter if I send the mail an hour later or not" then things happen where I think "ok, maybe it would have been better if I had sent before" :\ |
| 20:24:10 | pixelma | this is about the translation updates and a string change I want to ask about getting it in for the release |
| 20:25:51 | AlexP | flyspray etc. seems down too |
| 20:25:51 | n1s | can't reach rockbox.org at all |
| 20:25:51 | funman | AlexP: stop breaking rockbox.org please! |
| 20:25:51 | AlexP | We are ahead of schedule! |
| 20:25:51 | pixelma | damn |
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| 20:25:51 | AlexP | funman: It wasn't me, it was the catalan translation |
| 20:25:51 | CIA-5 | New commit by alex (r26262): FS #11293 - Catalan language update by Adrián Cereto Massagué |
| 20:25:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK AlexP |
| 20:25:51 | AlexP | Which is half way through committing |
| 20:25:52 | mitk | I think it was commit ddos |
| 20:25:52 | AlexP | aha |
| 20:25:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the patch (just made to work with this and using blue noise to randomize phases): http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/grey-lib-fewer-instructions-or-3g.diff |
| 20:25:52 | flipe | ok, I will continue with new rockbox and 2.2.26 OF |
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| 20:27:04 | jhMikeS | or is that purple noise (differentiated white noise) |
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| 20:34:14 | b0hoon | jhMikeS: is this look ok to you? -> http://pastebin.com/Uati6PEd |
| 20:35:01 | jhMikeS | b0hoon: was to fix after removing r12 save? if so, it looks right |
| 20:35:39 | b0hoon | jhMikeS: yes that's it |
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| 20:36:00 | CIA-5 | New commit by alex (r26263): Ooops, forgot CREDITS. |
| 20:36:04 | AlexP | huh |
| 20:36:09 | AlexP | How did that work? |
| 20:36:25 | jhMikeS | hrm...svn is up but not rockbox.org? |
| 20:36:28 | jhMikeS | *main site |
| 20:36:47 | AlexP | I set it off about 15 minutes ago |
| 20:37:43 | jhMikeS | ah, the new commit debounce delay |
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| 20:40:39 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26264): manual: wake up alarm buttons for Clip and Fuze keymaps |
| 20:40:43 | funman | the Wake-Up Alarm section in main_menu/main.tex looks outdated: I think rockbox doesn't power off anymore when validating the settings |
| 20:41:40 | funman | not since r5818 |
| 20:41:46 | bertrik | funman, 330 mAh capacity and about 11 hours runtime means about 30 mA current for ogg playback, not bad :) I think this has improved quite a bit compared to a year ago |
| 20:41:58 | n1s | funman: it should on the archoses still or else it won't work afaiu |
| 20:42:04 | funman | 11 hours ? i get 8 hours for mp3 playback :/ |
| 20:42:48 | funman | n1s: then it doesn't work since r5818 ? |
| 20:43:01 | funman | i can't see power_off() in alarm_menu.c or rtc drivers |
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| 20:43:23 | n1s | maybe the archos user(s) haven't noticed |
| 20:43:57 | n1s | or i'm dead wrong and the manual is just outdated |
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| 20:44:39 | funman | hm in this commit the string "Shutting Down.." was changed to "Alarm Set" so I guess it wasn't needed anymor |
| 20:45:12 | mitk | Zagor: Build server kicked me with: "Fatal build error: Missing log file. You have been temporarily disabled." Just fyi. |
| 20:45:33 | Zagor_ | yeah, we're having a slight server snafu |
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| 20:49:44 | CIA-5 | New commit by funman (r26265): manual: make the wake-up alarm entry up to date with the current code |
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| 20:57:13 | CIA-5 | New commit by b0hoon (r26266): fix YUV Dither for the other targets too, like in r26064. |
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| 20:58:39 | jhMikeS | hrm...that dither code's really made its way around the tree |
| 20:59:06 | mitk | nls: I think scrob in FS #11311 asked about "This phrase below was not present in the translated file" string itself so answer should be "no" IMHO. |
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| 21:00:07 | mitk | n1s: ^^ |
| 21:00:28 | pixelma | how long should a mail take until it appears in the ml? :| |
| 21:00:28 | jhMikeS | surely it should be possible to macro the pixel-write part and avoid so much duplication ?? |
| 21:00:58 | AlexP | pixelma: At the moment, ages |
| 21:01:24 | AlexP | There is/was something up with the mail servers |
| 21:01:37 | pixelma | AlexP: could you slow down your translation updates a bit? ;) |
| 21:01:43 | Zagor_ | pixelma: I have stopped the mail server. we're clogged up with spam right now. |
| 21:01:51 | AlexP | pixelma: sure :) |
| 21:02:10 | pixelma | argh |
| 21:02:46 | pixelma | the one time I write to the list :( |
| 21:03:06 | AlexP | No smoke without fire! |
| 21:04:25 | jhMikeS | no fire without oxygen |
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| 21:08:42 | Buschel_ | saratoga: thanks for testing. My patch should do the same as your first re-ordering. Is there a difference? |
| 21:08:55 | Buschel_ | saratoga: (talking of libmad) |
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| 21:10:27 | bertrik | Didn't we have a convention for commit comments, something like Flyspray: FS #XXXXX and Author: YYY (each on a single line) ? |
| 21:11:34 | AlexP | did we? |
| 21:11:53 | gevaerts | It was proposed and discussed |
| 21:11:53 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:11:53 | * | GodEater is now the proud(?) owner of one less tooth than he had this morning =/ |
| 21:12:11 | bertrik | I think so, to identify regular contributors more easily (and possibly automated) |
| 21:12:22 | AlexP | Is it documented anywhere> |
| 21:12:24 | GodEater | and in the wrong channel too :) |
| 21:12:37 | bertrik | (contributors that are not committers yet) |
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| 21:13:53 | Buschel_ | saratoga: just checked. there is no change in the order of mul/ldr... what is the difference between svn and my patch? |
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| 21:15:57 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I take it the iPod thing cleared up? I checked the sim and it seemed ok, with proper menu display. |
| 21:16:24 | Buschel_ | saratoga: to speak more clear -> there is no difference in the ordering when I compare your initial patch with my last one |
| 21:16:41 | Buschel_ | jhMikeS: yes. I have closed the bug report. works for me now :o) |
| 21:16:53 | jhMikeS | great! |
| 21:17:58 | bertrik | AlexP, I do find a reference to a formal commit template in the DevConEuro2009 summary, but no other documentation about it |
| 21:18:22 | AlexP | we should publicise it then :) |
| 21:18:43 | AlexP | I was at DevCon2009, so I must have been part of the discussion |
| 21:18:45 | gevaerts | There's a mailing list thread about it |
| 21:18:55 | AlexP | But had clearly completely forgotten :) |
| 21:19:02 | * | jhMikeS should see what that libmad patch does on arm11 |
| 21:19:14 | AlexP | On UsingSVN would seem a good place, where it tells you how to commit and stuff |
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| 21:23:40 | AlexP | gevaerts, bertrik: Looks like a format was never agreed, just people thought it was a good idea in general |
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| 21:24:32 | gevaerts | AlexP: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-07/0106.shtml and further is the closest |
| 21:24:39 | CIA-5 | New commit by b0hoon (r26267): manual: add a forgotten note about reseting settings for the vibe 500. |
| 21:24:48 | AlexP | yeah, I just read that |
| 21:25:23 | saratoga | Buschel: sorry, you're right |
| 21:25:25 | saratoga | i must have misread |
| 21:25:31 | saratoga | i'm not sure why the difference |
| 21:25:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, interesting trick |
| 21:25:50 | amiconn | I wonder whether this can be "inverted" so that it works the right way round |
| 21:27:11 | Buschel | saratoga: what is the difference? in MHz? |
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| 21:27:55 | saratoga | Buschel: about 150kHz |
| 21:28:13 | saratoga | basically the same as the original patch was supposed to save, except slower rather then faster |
| 21:28:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I couldn't without using mvn to invert it afterwords, lemme think, would subtracting instead of adding do it? |
| 21:28:31 | Buschel | saratoga: strange. did you re-test your initial patch? |
| 21:29:16 | saratoga | Buschel: i haven't had a chance, but at the time i did several repeats and the results were consistent |
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| 21:29:32 | Buschel | ok |
| 21:29:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'm thinking about bic/and |
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| 21:34:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I just wanted as much out of the loop as possible and inverting made it simple but if there is a way... |
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| 21:37:15 | * | jhMikeS should fix (somthing mentioned) in FS #10474 since if the tuner is disabled, you can't communcate with it to tune it. |
| 21:39:48 | * | amiconn also wonders whether this trick would also work on cf |
| 21:40:00 | amiconn | ...or sh1 |
| 21:41:38 | amiconn | Maybe there's a mul trick |
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| 21:42:35 | jhMikeS | mul trick? |
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| 21:46:07 | amiconn | On cf... of course not on arm |
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| 21:48:08 | CIA-5 | New commit by b0hoon (r26268): Vibe 500: fix the scrolling through the lists by implementing BUTTON_REPEAT for the scrollstrip. |
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| 21:55:27 | Llorean | Apparently flyspray is bugging out if you try to close a task at the moment |
| 21:56:11 | Llorean | The tasks do close, at least. |
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| 22:07:06 | Blue_Dude | I wanted to reask a question that wasn't answered earlier: should we be propagating deprecated strings to translation lang files? |
| 22:07:33 | Bagder | no |
| 22:08:13 | pixelma | Llorean: a task you watched? Or maybe in general, Zagor said he took down the mailing lists due to a spam attack and if flyspray wants to send out notification mails, it might get sime trouble |
| 22:09:01 | Blue_Dude | Well there sure have been a lot of deprecated strings being passed verbatim to translation langs lately. |
| 22:09:29 | Bagder | Blue_Dude: that's completely unnecessary, but they don't do any harm either |
| 22:09:55 | Blue_Dude | Bagder: Maybe, but why copy them over to begin with? |
| 22:10:14 | Bagder | lack of knowledge I guess |
| 22:10:37 | pixelma | genlang will do it for you |
| 22:10:41 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah, the error message mentions SMTP so I imagine it's to do with mail notifications |
| 22:11:06 | Blue_Dude | We're going to branch, when? Still on the 27th? |
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| 22:12:12 | CIA-5 | New commit by jethead71 (r26269): Si4700 tuner: It doesn't like to do i2c while powered off and hangs the bus. Make 'pause' simply be 'mute', allowing tuning during user mute as well ... |
| 22:12:42 | Blue_Dude | I'd like to nuke the dead strings in the lang files and force a voice rebuild for v3.6. It's been a long time coming. |
| 22:13:37 | pixelma | n1s wanted to do that after the release |
| 22:15:11 | Blue_Dude | Why after? |
| 22:15:48 | jhMikeS | perhaps that should always be a pre-release housecleaning? |
| 22:16:49 | Blue_Dude | That's what I was thinking. |
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| 22:20:41 | Lear | jhMikeS: Hm, just upgraded and got a "freezing" rewind almost immediately (I could still stop and shutdown so not a full freeze). Not easily repeatable. |
| 22:20:58 | jhMikeS | which target? |
| 22:21:08 | Lear | e200. |
| 22:21:40 | n1s | Blue_Dude: i think it's nicer to break stuff after release |
| 22:21:44 | jhMikeS | odd, I just checked and got one myself. (gigabeat S) |
| 22:21:54 | * | Blue_Dude shrugs. |
| 22:22:00 | Lear | It could be one of those rare playback.c glitches, but it did happen just now. :) |
| 22:22:41 | jhMikeS | it just happened to me on my first try? hmmm... |
| 22:23:00 | Lear | The WPS stays in a rewind state? |
| 22:23:05 | Blue_Dude | Lear: I had something like that happen yesterday (pre-svn update). |
| 22:23:26 | jhMikeS | now I can't duplicate :\ |
| 22:23:35 | jhMikeS | Lear: hard lock (watchdog cut power) |
| 22:23:58 | jhMikeS | I was playing the radio first for awhile, then went to playback |
| 22:24:06 | Lear | No radio here. |
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| 22:25:13 | bieber | Flyspray comments aren't working, so I just posted a patch at http://filehost.bieberphoto.com/patch that adds my completed (or at least I think it's complete) WPS parser for JdGordon's new WPS format |
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| 22:26:41 | bieber | It only has a handful of tags in its tag table (and they're made up for testing purposes), but you can add new ones easily enough to test it. Anyone who wants to, play with it and see if you can get it to break |
| 22:27:27 | jhMikeS | Lear: hmmm, nothing really changed functionally in pcm, just moving something "up". I'll stare at it. |
| 22:28:15 | jhMikeS | two *very* different hardware, and I can't bloody do it again! :) |
| 22:29:48 | jhMikeS | I did rolo beforehand however |
| 22:30:14 | * | bluebroth3r thinks that for(/*NO INIT*/;...) looks weird |
| 22:30:17 | bertrik | jhMikeS, I thought the problem with the si4700 was that it was hanging in the tune loop when the radio is powered down, rather than i2c not working |
| 22:30:57 | bluebroth3r | bieber: why not use a while loop instead? Looks more straighforward to me for such a case (though it's only cosmetics) |
| 22:31:27 | bieber | Will do |
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| 22:31:47 | bieber | I was afraid that one might look a little clunky |
| 22:32:02 | bluebroth3r | well, I have to admit that I like while loops better in general :) |
| 22:32:20 | bieber | There's a few of those in there, too ;) |
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| 22:32:35 | jhMikeS | bertrik: that probably would happen if the i2c wasn't quite working. I couldn't tell if it was timing out in the driver and looping or just looping. |
| 22:32:44 | bieber | Would it be worth splitting generic_parser.c up into multiple files? Towards the end it was getting a little cumbersome to dig through |
| 22:32:51 | jhMikeS | *the i2c driver that is, which give 1s to finish |
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| 22:34:29 | jhMikeS | in any case, that mean STC wouldn't go high or can't be read. safe to say it didn't like it and works fine just muted. |
| 22:36:46 | bieber | bluebroth3r: Was email on the haxx.se server also lost when the site/mailing list went down? I emailed the address that was listed for SVN access last week, but haven't heard back from him yet |
| 22:37:07 | jhMikeS | Lear: which e200? I have v1 and it's all good here. |
| 22:37:18 | Lear | v1 too. |
| 22:37:25 | Bagder | bieber: sorry, it's just been delayed due to the mess we've had. I'll get to it as soon as possible |
| 22:37:39 | bieber | Okay, thanks |
| 22:38:00 | * | bluebroth3r too slow :o |
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| 22:38:14 | bertrik | jhMikeS, ok. Does it still fully turn off the tuner when exiting the radio screen? Not doing so could cost a lot of unnecessary current consumption (about 15 mA IIRC) |
| 22:38:21 | bieber | Too slow? |
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| 22:38:54 | bluebroth3r | too slow answering. Bagder was faster :) |
| 22:39:04 | bieber | Ah |
| 22:39:50 | jhMikeS | bertrik: not unless we make it |
| 22:40:02 | bluebroth3r | do we indent preprocessor macros in Rockbox? I can't remember having seen that before. |
| 22:40:09 | bluebroth3r | (in Rockbox code that is) |
| 22:41:18 | bieber | Oh, I guess I did indent a couple |
| 22:41:50 | gevaerts | I don't think we have a clear rule on that |
| 22:42:36 | n1s | most often we don't at least |
| 22:43:06 | bluebroth3r | a general reason for not indenting preprocessor statements is that some compilers require the # to be in row 0. Stuff like "# if(foo)" is ok for those. However, this doesn't affect us as we're gcc only |
| 22:43:46 | bluebroth3r | so I won't object against indenting preprocessor statements, though IMO they are more readable if not indented. |
| 22:43:58 | * | bluebroth3r waits for someone to propose a rule :) |
| 22:44:07 | jhMikeS | bertrik: I'm sure there's a better way to go that that, but what it is now is better than freezeup (and 15mA? bad, but not horrible on serveral-hundred mAh battery no?) |
| 22:44:38 | bieber | I'd vote for unindented |
| 22:45:30 | bertrik | jhMikeS, it might already work correctly as it is now in SVN |
| 22:45:38 | * | jhMikeS thinks they can be more readable in certain cases if indented at the same level at their local block |
| 22:45:49 | bertrik | but 15 mA is quite a lot, that's half of the normal playing current |
| 22:46:07 | n1s | i think indented preprocessor stuff *looks* weird but i think that's just because i'm not used to it, it is a fair deal easier to read in the real #ifdef hellholes |
| 22:47:45 | jhMikeS | bertrik: what does? You're right though, how could you turn it on if i2c was hanging? :P haha must just not set STC in that state |
| 22:48:01 | pamaury | Is there a problem with pcm audio in the simulator or is the problem with me ? |
| 22:48:19 | * | jhMikeS was using it earlier |
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| 22:49:22 | bertrik | jhMikeS, I meant that the si4700 is still powered down when the radio is stopped |
| 22:49:54 | jhMikeS | bertrik: yeah, when you do "off", but not for "pause" only |
| 22:49:58 | bertrik | because you only modified radio_pause, so all is still well I think |
| 22:50:07 | jhMikeS | right |
| 22:50:32 | jhMikeS | it sees "2" and knows it not actually to go full off |
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| 22:51:39 | jhMikeS | the other tuners treat anything not 0 as simple "true" |
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| 22:52:20 | solexx | Um, a purple L just came over to visit in in the DoD. polytrap? |
| 22:52:52 | solexx | The wiki says, the only appear in Gehennom. |
| 22:52:58 | jhMikeS | solexx: I don't know but it sounds like Sesame street |
| 22:53:00 | solexx | s/the/they |
| 22:53:23 | solexx | jhMikeS: Darn, wrong channel. :-/ |
| 22:54:37 | jhMikeS | bertrik: wait, wtf, you were thinking I left it on all the time? |
| 22:55:19 | bertrik | jhMikeS, yeah, sorry, I actually thought that before checking the code and your changes ... |
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| 23:02:18 | jhMikeS | it's left on when you exit paused, yes |
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| 23:15:41 | * | kugel also thinks that r26253 shouldn't have been committed during the freeze |
| 23:15:50 | kugel | unless it fixes any known bugs, does it? |
| 23:18:06 | jhMikeS | depends on what "known" and "bugs" means |
| 23:18:59 | kugel | e.g. something on flyspray |
| 23:19:01 | Bagder | fixes unknown bugs would be a bit of a surprise |
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| 23:19:41 | jhMikeS | yes, I pushed it...but if TPTB command, I'll revert and wait on it. |
| 23:21:09 | kugel | TPTB? |
| 23:21:09 | jhMikeS | The Powers That Be |
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| 23:32:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I think inverting is possible with just one changed instruction... |
| 23:34:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you mean normal phase, but inverting the outcome? |
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| 23:37:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: http://pastebin.com/SWMNmEhc |
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| 23:40:53 | jhMikeS | aha |
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| 23:43:10 | amiconn | I am wondering about the changed noise init |
| 23:43:43 | jhMikeS | incidental really. I was just experimenting with filtering out low frequencies in the rand function |
| 23:45:08 | amiconn | Does it cause any visible change? I wouldn't expect any... |
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| 23:54:36 | funman | jhMikeS: recording is broken on clip+ |
| 23:56:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: i think the formula is wrong and it needs/2 first or it just goes right be to white noise. I have to check it properly. |
| 23:56:19 | jhMikeS | funman: it could be, yes |
| 23:56:26 | amiconn | I think it doesn't matter at all |
| 23:58:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: probably not since it likely just gets randomized again as pixels change |
| 23:58:31 | amiconn | Yes, exactly |
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