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#rockbox log for 2010-05-31

00:00:33kugelfunman: nope :(
00:01:40kugelfunman: you didn't change crt0.S did you?
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00:03:46kugelmaybe the branch to main bugs a bit
00:03:54funmanmain is ARM so it's ok
00:04:14kugelhm, strange
00:04:18jhMikeSbest way to get code to proliferate is put it in SVN :) (how many times has YUV dithering asm been replicated now?)
00:04:46funmanjhMikeS: btw wouldn't it be possible to merge common code to a single file?
00:05:01funmanperhaps #including target specific code
00:06:02jhMikeSfunman: that YUV stuff could probably could be macrod for the various write parts/lcd sizes instead of copied over and over
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00:08:08jhMikeSsince now we're allowed .c #include (which I wanted to do before and got heavy disagreement), I think thread.c needs just such a treatment
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00:11:52funman (e200v1 thumb build with single core)
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00:14:19jhMikeSahem? oh, we're going back to not using the COP? ;)
00:15:48CIA-5New commit by mc2739 (r26418): Catalan language update ...
00:16:43CIA-5New commit by mc2739 (r26419): Update Czech language ...
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00:20:33CIA-5New commit by mc2739 (r26420): Catalan language update ...
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00:21:10CIA-5New commit by mc2739 (r26421): Update Czech language ...
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00:24:53CIA-5New commit by amiconn (r26422): Smaller & faster grey blitting on greyscale ipods, based on an idea by Mike Sevakis. ISR speedup on all greyscale iPods except Mini 2nd Gen is ~10%. ...
00:26:45funman <- thumb effect on clipv1 plugin sizes
00:27:02funmanjhMikeS: well if it works then i'll look carefully at dualcore code..
00:28:07amiconnSomehow all number for subdir plugins are broken
00:28:17mc2739funman: are you going to backport your francais.lang updates, or should I?
00:28:29funmanamiconn: no, overlays
00:28:53funmanmc2739: i'll do it when my tree finishes cloning
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00:29:34funmanmc2739: btw i think lcd_set_flip() won't work on e200v2 if backlight goes off
00:30:07funmani have a patch which makes fuze & e200v2 use the same code but it's not tested yet
00:30:36funmanif e200v2 / fuzes can't use the same lcd_enable() code i think i'll give up with this and keep them separate
00:34:21mc2739funman: lcd does stay flipped after backup going off (r23684)
00:35:06amiconnATA DMA on PP seems to be broken at 24MHz
00:35:58funmanhm strange R_DRV_OUTPUT_CONTROL is reset in _display_on()
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01:03:56Torneamiconn: it shouldn't be, it should be conditionaled up to use a mode that works for various clocks
01:04:06Torneamiconn: maybe i cocked it up :)
01:04:16Tornehm, kugel's not here.
01:04:27amiconnWell, if I try to load a plugin at 24MHz on my Mini G2, it errors out
01:05:22Torneamiconn: what mode does it say it's using in the debug menu?
01:05:36TorneUDMA 2 doesn't work at less than 30MHz
01:05:52Tornebut if CPUFREQ_NORMAL is defined as 24 it should automatically use UDMA1
01:06:08Tornesee the end of firmware/target/arm/ata-target.h
01:06:16amiconnI didn't change CPUFREQ_NORMAL
01:06:30amiconnI'm just switching to CPUFREQ_DEFAULT via debug menu
01:07:09TorneAh, right
01:07:15TorneYeah that doesn't work
01:07:21TorneWe skipped considering that case ;)
01:07:54Tornebecause the only times the cpu drops to the lower rate without debug intervention is radio playback or when using a usb bridge for msc
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01:08:02Tornei.e times when rockbox doesn't access the disk
01:08:16Torneso yeah, on PP you now can't access the disk when the cpu is in idle mode
01:08:21Torne..sorry :)
01:08:37amiconnThat means I can't use test_fps to test 24MHz
01:08:58Tornewell, you can by recompiling with a changed CPUFREQ_NORMAL
01:08:59Tornebut yeah
01:09:02amiconnIt's not very important, but it is listed on LcdFrameRate
01:09:03Tornethat's not as handy
01:09:10r0b-did you guys change the key combo for Lock/Unlock on the Clip Plus?
01:09:34Lloreanr0b-: It's in the SVN log, I believe...
01:09:34TorneWe discussed this briefly and concluded it wasn't 100% trivial to account for runtime freq changes and just decided it wasn't important :)
01:09:54r0b-how do I as a user view the SVN Log?
01:09:58TorneHas someone already pointed out that the new pluginlib_action keymap for ipod makes "quit" select+play
01:10:10Tornewhereas most plugins previously quit with menu+select (which is now PLA_CANCEL rather than PLA_EXIT)
01:10:19r0b-nvm :)
01:10:21Tornei'm kinda annoyed by this
01:10:52Tornebut i'm wondering if it was intentional or not. i've not tested very many plugins.
01:11:47Tornehmm. noi, actually i'm oversimplifying
01:12:48Torneplugins don't seem to use EXIT vs CANCEL consistently in the first place..
01:13:04Torneis it too late to try and fiddle with keymaps more for 3.6?
01:13:55r0b-i dunno if this is a bug or what but i just loaded the LATEST Rockbox build onto my Clip + and the FM Radio vanished?
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01:18:08CIA-5New commit by funman (r26423): Use in manual builds
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01:27:48r0b-ok i seriously think something is up
01:28:11r0b-Rockbox wont see the FM Hardware but the OF will for this Clip Plus
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01:35:34r0b-rockbox wont detect the FM Hardware
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01:52:41ssorgatemany translators here?
02:02:22CIA-5New commit by funman (r26424): Only build firmware_flash plugin on archos
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02:10:22CIA-5New commit by funman (r26425): Backport r26415 and r26416 : french translation updates
02:13:40CIA-5New commit by funman (r26426): backport r26349 ...
02:13:46CIA-5New commit by funman (r26427): backport r26423 ...
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02:22:46Rob2222does anybody know in which menu is the setting for "fast forward" speed? ive gone trough all settings 4 times and i didnt find anymore. am i blind? ^^ (omg)
02:23:53Rob2222omg have it
02:46:06CIA-5New commit by funman (r26428): Add a tool to compare the binsizes of plugins and codecs of 2 build dirs ...
02:56:39r0b-ok so i have Rockbox on my new Clip + 4GB but the FM Radio hardware is not detected
02:56:45r0b-it detects in the simulator
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02:57:06r0b-its the latest build
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02:59:36Unhelpfulr0b-: well, the simulator doesn't *have* any hardware, it's all faked. :)
02:59:45Unhelpfulor perhaps i should say "simulated"
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03:03:14r0b-the latest build shows the FM Tuner in my e200
03:03:15funmanr0b-: works for me
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03:04:29Rob2222fm radio works in my clip+, too
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03:05:22r0b-this makes no sense
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03:08:23Rob2222i cant decide if i should return my fuze2 or should hope for a wonder.
03:08:58r0b-hmmm the latest rockbox works fine on my e260v1
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03:10:53Rob2222funman: may i ask you for a sugestion?
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03:14:58saratogai'd probably just return it and buy one off ebay where its almost certainly too old a unit to have the firmware issue
03:16:20Rob2222i think so, too. even if im sure you RB devs will get that anywhen. but i just have 14 days to return it and i just bought it for RB. and i already spent much much time in this issue and time is this what i didnt have atm :(
03:17:03Rob2222a installed kubuntu in a VW and compiled ams info there and dumped .28 .31 and .33
03:17:15Rob2222but didnt found a logical mathcing point
03:17:24r0b-im having my own issues with RB atm :P
03:17:50Rob2222i had a thought that this could be a DRM issue.
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03:18:30r0b-the FM radio?
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03:18:40Rob2222no my firmware problem
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03:21:30r0b-ive tried all builds for the Clip + also
03:21:40r0b-i wonder if my FM Chip is different then yours Rob2222
03:21:56Rob2222can i find out anyhow?
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03:24:51Rob2222is there a point in RB where i can get FM radio chip infos?
03:25:10Rob2222well propably i can but not r0b-
03:26:16Rob2222r0b-: well if i understood this right you can disable the radio
03:26:26Rob2222by renaming the flash-filename when flashing
03:26:54Rob2222but this would make no sense cause your radio is working at the OF
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03:27:06r0b-so the hardware is good
03:27:31r0b-though its the 4GB :P
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03:28:43Rob2222you can enable a test mode of the OF by renaming the flash file from clppa.bin to clppt.bin
03:29:13Rob2222but cause i already having flashing problems i didnt want to test that on my clip+. but on my fuze that worked
03:29:45r0b-im not gonna reflash with test mode
03:30:02Rob2222anyway i just checked, theres only a FM radio test
03:30:07Rob2222no more information
03:30:16Rob2222about the radio itself
03:30:53r0b-oh by using the clppt.bin ?
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03:32:55r0b-what firmware is yours using?
03:33:14Rob2222no, by renaming the fuze original firmware from fuzpa.bin to fuzpt.bin
03:35:19mc2739r0b-: what do you see if you go to System > Debug > FM Radio
03:35:57r0b-HW Detected: no
03:36:05r0b-meaning it cant detect the hardware
03:36:25r0b-the OF can see the hardware fine
03:36:45mc2739has the radio worked in Rockbox previously?
03:37:05r0b-i just got this player today
03:38:32r0b-i have an e200v1 that rockbox works flawless
03:38:35r0b-FM and all
03:39:48mc2739ok, this may be another situation like Rob2222 has with his Fuze - possibly a mid-production hardware change
03:40:03r0b-everything else works :)
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03:40:29Rob2222yeah, damn sansa :(
03:40:47mc2739what verion OF did it come with?
03:40:50Rob2222i just emailed and sansa us support how to downgrade my firmware....
03:41:25Rob2222you asking me regarding my fuze? if yes, it was 02.03.31
03:41:42mc2739no, r0b-
03:44:37JdGordonbieber: hey
03:45:12tmztyou think firmware version affects whether the fm radio works in rockbox?
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03:46:21mc2739no, but if there is different hardware, then the OF will have different init routines for each of the hardware versions
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03:57:05DriseIm looking for some help with the sansa fuze v2
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03:58:16Rob2222whats your problem with it?
03:58:47DriseEverytime i plug it in to charge off a wall charger, it shutsdown ad boots OF
03:59:26DriseI know that the usb driver isnt up yet, but it says charging is good to go
03:59:47Rob2222but you have to hold select key when push in the plug
03:59:58FlynDiceDrise: Have you tried holding the select button while plugging in usb like it says in the manual......
04:00:22Drisemaybe in the excitement of knowing the v2 port was good, i forgot to...
04:00:25mc2739Drise: if boot into Rockbox and hold the select button while connecting, it should stay in Rockbox and charge
04:00:42DriseIll give that a try then.
04:00:48Rob2222at least he heard it 3 times now
04:01:03FlynDicemc2739's response is more correct than mine
04:01:08DriseIve grown so tired of the fuze OF... been waiting forever for it to go stable
04:01:38Rob2222you lucky guy can at least get RB running
04:01:40Rob2222i cant :/
04:01:47mc2739except I didn't mention the manual
04:01:59Drisebummer... What doesnt work for you?
04:02:19Rob2222mine player doesnt accept custom flashes. so no rockbox bootloader
04:02:36Driseis it a v1?
04:02:46Rob2222no V2
04:02:54Rob2222brand new one
04:03:02Rob2222made 4/2010
04:03:04Drisestrange. I never ra into that issue on the forums....
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04:03:25DriseHm... maybe i shouldnt get mine sent back from sansa
04:03:27Rob2222multi posts about it the last 2 days
04:03:45Driseis it somethiung sansa has done to prevent rb?
04:04:19Rob2222i dont think they prevent RB but it could be a DRM thing
04:04:26Rob2222it wont accept old firmwares, too
04:04:41Rob2222it just flashes 02.03.31 and .33 Nothing more.
04:04:54DriseSo any new player coming out of sansa is not a good idea?
04:05:02Driseif you wish to rb?
04:05:30Rob2222no you cant say that, yet
04:05:48Rob2222but at least 3-4 people i know have the same issue
04:06:09Rob22222 of us have a BI1004CAHK-8GB model
04:06:18Rob2222fomr the 3rd person i didnt have information yet
04:06:37DriseBecause i geta new one periocically, make up some issue i know they cant fix, they send me an RMA and i get a new one
04:06:42Rob22221004 loos like the production date
04:06:47Drisejust to keep it nice and new
04:07:12Driseguess in this case that its not a good idea
04:07:14Rob2222what issue they cant fix?
04:07:33Drisestuff like hardware issues
04:07:43Drisethings that reseting the player wont do
04:07:51Drise"low battery life"
04:08:03Drisei have sent in my question too... here it is
04:08:40DriseWhen using the player recently, I have noticed the battery lasts only a few hours after a full charge over night. This is when only playing music and the device is left untouched.
04:08:46r0b-its a flaw in the hard ware
04:09:12Driseand they will try to use a reset, fresh OF etc, and when it "fails" i get an rma
04:09:41Drisei have about 6 pairs of headphones lol
04:12:50Rob2222hmm ... welll ..
04:12:56Rob2222anyway im afk
04:13:37Drisethanks for the ehlp folks
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05:35:40r0b-oh well even the newest firmwares dont work
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08:14:55S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I've figured out how to change the image called when USB is connected, do I change the dimensions of said image/and it's alignment etc.?
08:15:13S_a_i_n_tI want to make a fullscreen USB image, or very near to it.
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08:34:39kugelTorne: you rang?
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08:53:37JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: I would have assumed that if you change the bmp size it would magggically work
08:55:23S_a_i_n_tWell, so did I at first...but there seems to be somewhere in the code where the x/y (and possibly image dimensions) are defined. If it were centered onscreen I'd be willing to believe the "magic" theory, but the fact that it appears in a specific position discredits that.
08:55:42S_a_i_n_tI haven't however had much luck finding where thses values are defined.
08:56:07S_a_i_n_ts/much/any/ :(
08:56:44JdGordontry make clean
08:56:55JdGordonthe size comes from a .h which is autogened
08:58:56S_a_i_n_twhat about the positioning though? It seems to me that it is positioned *somehow*. For instance, the Nanos (176x132) use a 128x37px image that is centered and right aligned.
08:59:29S_a_i_n_tIf it was 176x37 I'd understand it just being centered, but the alignment comes from somewhere.
09:00:33S_a_i_n_tThanks, I'll have a look.
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09:07:17S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Hmmm, the alignment seems beyond me there...I just can't see it. :/
09:07:23*S_a_i_n_t is a themer, not a coder.
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09:19:42pixelmasomewhere is a 10 pixels shift downwards IIRC
09:20:14S_a_i_n_tpixelma: With the USB bitmap?
09:20:37S_a_i_n_tit also seems to right align of my this the case elsewhere?
09:21:05S_a_i_n_tcentered(-ish)+right aligned.
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09:23:11pixelmayes the USB bitmap, and yes probably. I'd search for occurences of LCD_WIDTH and _bitmap (width)
09:24:00S_a_i_n_tI'd also like to change the splashes to black text on a white background...but I'm stumbling blind there also.
09:28:41JdGordonwell the usb logo placement is on line 161/162 of usb_screen.c
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09:39:28*S_a_i_n_t decides it'd be nice if the USB screen included a "safe to unmount" feature.
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09:48:55lazkaIs there a way (linux) to differentiate an ipod from an rockboxed ipod?
09:49:40S_a_i_n_tIn what way do you mean?
09:49:45Zagorlazka: look for a .rockbox folder?
09:50:55lazkaI want to decide if I talk to it over the fs or through libgpod
09:51:22lazkaright.. the rockbox folder. thanks Zagor
09:51:27S_a_i_n_tZagor's advice seems like the best bet, could still include the .rockbox folder from a previous installation and be missing the bootloader. And tachnically wouldn't be "rockboxed" anymore.
09:51:53lazkaDoes the normal IPod support FAT?
09:52:17Zagorsome are hfs formatted, some are fat formatted
09:53:33S_a_i_n_tIS there any intention of updating the Nano2g bootloader to include the functionality of the current bootloader (drop to diskmode if rockbox cannot boot)?
09:53:45S_a_i_n_tThe Nano2g bootloader is rather ancient now.
09:56:48Zagorlazka: rockboxed ipods are always fat though
09:58:42kenguestS_a_i_n_t: good point - but who would go back from a rockbox'd ipod?
09:58:57lazkaok, thanks. bye
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10:00:21S_a_i_n_tkenguest: Someone may, I admit it's unlikely...I was just pointing out that the presence of the .rockbox folder doesn't necessarily mean that the iPod is Rockboxed.
10:00:54S_a_i_n_tIt's fairly likely, but...not definite.
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11:45:52wodzis there a way to know if new value was added to power_history[] array?
11:47:16wodzI mean to know from main thread that powerthread inserted new value
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12:10:59JdGordon1it is possible I have the skin engine on the brain.. but I really want to replace the code in track info with calls into the get_id3_token() instead of all that duplicated code
12:11:31JdGordon1the problem is a few of those lines are formatted on the info screen (and plain numbers in the skin engine) or missing completly :/
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12:14:54Rob2223anyone know why the e280 is more expensive as the fuze? is it any better?
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12:43:16Rob2223Looks like Sandisk doesnt want to accept Rockbox anymore.
12:43:49Rob2223At least the hotline says that my "Fuze flash issue" is a additional check to make sure no other firmwares get flashed
12:44:10Rob2223well doen sandisk ... :/
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12:51:35topikthey supposedly changed the hardware to prevent rockbox? i doubt that
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13:08:37Rob2223topik: i dont think they changed hardware i think they implemented another firmware check
13:09:11ZagorI'd rather think customer invented a new thing to blame
13:09:19Zagor*customer support
13:09:49Zagorthough that's just a cynical hunch :)
13:10:13S_a_i_n_tHow would that work? The firmware checks itself? That being the case (which TBH, I doubt) it should be easy to remove that check once it's known...when it's known, if it exists.
13:10:34Rob2223if its not in the AMS rom ...
13:10:59Rob2223worst case would be signed firmwares thet getchecked by a program in AMS rom
13:11:37S_a_i_n_tWell, I guess we just wait to see if more people start having problems...I'm more inclined to believe that customer service told you some barefaced lies.
13:12:06S_a_i_n_tAnd that you just have a very picky unit.
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13:12:31Rob2223well, cause the .31 is binary identical to other .31 that used by unit that work
13:12:39Rob2223it must be somthing in the player
13:12:45Rob2223ok, maybe hardware change
13:12:46Rob2223could be
13:14:35Rob2223i dont believe that politic change not yet, too
13:15:02S_a_i_n_t"politic change"?
13:15:25Rob2223that sandisc trys to prevent used by rockbox
13:16:40S_a_i_n_tThey don't specifically target's more a check that noone can just blindly flash garbage data to the player and kill their unit I would say.
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13:24:40S_a_i_n_tucchan: Happy to report success in building the arm-elf-eabi toolchain with CygWin 1.7 :D
13:26:03ucchanS_a_i_n_t: I confirm arm-elf, sh-elf don't build by Cygwin 1.5/1.7.
13:26:56S_a_i_n_tucchan: You know you can get arm-elf and sh-elf from right?
13:27:34S_a_i_n_tHowever, I have had no luck building arm-elf with 1.7 either.
13:27:51S_a_i_n_tI just used the prebuilt package in the end.
13:30:03ucchanThis problem was solved by correcting a little. maybe can build on cygwin. see
13:32:04ucchanchanges: on cygwin host, not "make -j4" but "make" is used when gcc builds.
13:32:23S_a_i_n_tucchan: Could you please make a diff of your changes to
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13:33:30S_a_i_n_tYes, kugel advised me to change make -j4 to "make"
13:34:20ucchanbut build speed is slowly...
13:35:02S_a_i_n_tI built eabi toolchain with success with only a few additional packages. (libiconv, libmpfr, gmp, libgmp, and libmpfr)
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13:36:44S_a_i_n_tThose packages, pluse those listed on the CygWin Rockbox wiki, in addition to changing line 29 of to "make" istead of "make -j4" was sufficient to build the eabi toolchain.
13:36:59S_a_i_n_tI still need to update the wiki, but it is on my todo list.
13:37:42AlexPJdGordon1: Are those markers permanently enabled?
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13:38:26ucchannew diff full size:
13:40:07S_a_i_n_tucchan: So, to have success building arm-elf and sh-elf with those changes to
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13:40:17S_a_i_n_tAnd, thankyou for the diff also.
13:40:28ucchanfor line 30: -a "$1" != "e" => eabi is used "make -j4".
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13:41:53ucchanyes. sh-elf is success. arm-elf is building but S_a_i_n_t's problem is clear.
13:42:20ucchanand so arm-elf-eabi is success too.
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13:44:00funmanRob2223: there is a simple way to see if they added a cryptographic signature
13:49:19S_a_i_n_tucchan: What is It does not appear to have the changes listed in your diff.
13:50:35ucchan is full diff =>
13:53:00S_a_i_n_tSomeone should probably look to see if those changes are suitable to include into permanently.
13:54:01funmanucchan: you can use 'which' return code instead of checking if files exists with [ -f ]
13:57:50ucchanfunman: original use "if [ -f "`which gmake 2>/dev/null`" ]; then" (line 26). Should I correct this line?
14:01:56funmanucchan: sorry, it doesn't matter. if we use `which` , there is no need to use >/dev/null; only 2>/dev/null
14:03:18funmanucchan: shouldn't the change for cygwin be at the start (line 26 - 30) ?
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14:03:33S_a_i_n_tI was thinking that also.
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14:10:16funmanoh ok
14:10:32funmanI think the patch is good
14:11:03JdGordon1AlexP: yeah
14:15:30ucchanfunman thanks.
14:16:43ucchanThe remainder only confirms all cross compilers is created on cygwin 1.5/1.7.
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14:18:28ucchanI will think that the result will report tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
14:19:07funmanucchan: the other cross compilers are still building ?
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14:23:48ucchanyes. sh-elf ok (1.5/1.7), arm-elf-eabi ok (1.5/1.7), arm-elf (1.7 building, 1.5 not), others not building.
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14:26:45funmanI know that amiconn uses cygwin, perhaps he knows the problem
14:33:27S_a_i_n_tHe actually mentioned the other day that he doesn't use it often anymore due to its speed.
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14:39:31S_a_i_n_twhy is it CIA-98 now, instead of CIA-5?
14:39:31funmanperhaps they just rotate bots
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14:55:32funmankugel: fuzev1 scrollwheel works fine if I move TIMER2_INTCLR = 0; to the start of the function; but there is no need to do that as acking the interrupt isn't necessary for the timer to continue running
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15:00:05amiconnfunman: I don't really use it these days, because a linux VM is way faster
15:00:24funman <- this should prevent battery_bench times from drifting, I will test on target
15:00:26amiconnHowever, I did build all 5 crosscompilers on cygwin 1.7.
15:00:55funmanamiconn: did you need ucchan patch? perhaps it's needed only for gcc 4.4.4
15:01:07amiconnNo idea whether they build on cygwin 1.5. I won't bother testing it - it's outdated, and it's not Win7 compatible anyway iirc
15:01:19amiconnFor eabi I built 4.4.3
15:01:27amiconn(weeks ago)
15:03:40funmanI realize I have 2 battery_bench entries espaced of 30 seconds, I wonder where that comes from
15:06:01funmanIn a 8 hours bench starting at t=0, I see: 04:17:14, 04:17:54; then 05:39:57, 05:40:39, and finally 07:40:52, 07:41:16
15:06:31funmanso it's 40s, 42s, and 24s (instead of 60 + a tiny bit)
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15:10:25funmancurrent_tick shouldn't overflow before 248 days
15:18:20amiconn497 days (it's unsigned)
15:18:39funman./kernel.h:extern volatile long current_tick;
15:19:27funmansigned times are useful for before/after comparisons
15:20:31amiconnAh, yes
15:21:03amiconnOur TIME_BEFORE() / TIME_AFTER() macros are wrap safe though. Max difference is limited to 248 days, of course
15:21:55*TheSeven heard that promoting the nano2g to stable was proposed for 3.6
15:22:05TheSevenwhat are the exact criteria for that?
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16:12:04JdGordon1AlexP: I'll wait for more feedback.. if it really looks shit then ill revert it happily...
16:12:23JdGordon1I have some plans for the progressbar once we get the new skin format goign so ill bring it back then
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16:31:13funmansomeone want to try an e200v1 thumb build? I think I've found why it wouldn't boot
16:31:37JdGordon1I can
16:31:41JdGordon1if I dont need a new bootloader
16:32:02funmannope but it might crash (needs to remove battery?)
16:32:17JdGordon1bring it on!
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16:34:32JdGordonfunman: got a zip? I want to goto bed soonish
16:35:06funmanyep, building now, i'll have it uploaded in 5 mins
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16:39:55JdGordonbieber: I've got another idea for the new parser (which you are free to ignore :) ) named optional params... bassically I want to add a few options onto the progressbar that would need special handling to make work...
16:40:54JdGordonone would be a bmp for the "current" spot, another would be bool to show the preset/cuesheet markers, another would be a bmp to use for the markers... all three are optional and any one could be used without the other two...
16:41:08JdGordonadding -'s so the right ones go in the right place is messy... name=value pair optins would be nice
16:41:20JdGordon(I know I poopooed that idea when you though about it... sorry :D )
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16:42:30CIA-98New commit by funman (r26431): rolo: use BX for ARM branches ...
16:42:37JdGordonfunman: no boot with rolo...
16:42:41*JdGordon gets out the screwdriver
16:44:13JdGordonditto from bootloader
16:44:34funmancan you try another build (with single core)
16:44:44JdGordonyeah, gimme the zip
16:44:57JdGordonjust the rockbox.sansa would prob work
16:48:23kugelJdGordon: I'm sure you don't need a screwdriver to reset an e200v1
16:48:42JdGordonpower is slower than 4 screws
16:49:09kugel15s only
16:49:39kugelwell, you're probably right if you expect to need it more often in the new future :)
16:49:52funmanJdGordon: ? (updated)
16:51:14*JdGordon even made sure to copy the right file on!
16:52:35funmanBagder: you still have that e200v1 with the JTAG adaptor?
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16:59:06Tornekugel: yeah.. i did :)
16:59:20Tornekugel: is it too late to fiddle with the PLA keymaps more for 3.6?
16:59:42Tornekugel: lots of plugins use PLA_CANCEL for their quit button; only a few use PLA_EXIT at al
17:00:04kugelPLA_CANCEL is often the more convinient combo
17:00:11kugelmost plugins could just do both I think
17:00:34TorneYeah.. on ipod it certainly is
17:00:43Tornemost plugins previously exited with menu+select, and that's now PLA_CANCEL
17:00:59Torneso the few plugins that *do* use PLA_EXIT now have a different combination to exit
17:01:25kugelIIRC I only used _EXIT when _CANCEL was taken already(?)
17:02:03Tornewell, if you intended fir it to be that way then it mostly does make sense.. but the names are kinda confusing ;)
17:02:23kugelI only intended to not change too much actually :)
17:02:45kugelI guess _EXIT could work everywhere and _CANCEL when it's free
17:03:18kugelsometimes you have a explicit quit and a goto plugin menu, then _EXIT would be quit and _CANCEL the plugin menu
17:03:23Tornewell, i am not as bothered as i was last night when i looked..
17:03:26JdGordonrequest for devcon... go through all the open tasks from 06/07 (maybe even 08) and close any that are way outdated...?
17:03:39Tornefrotz's keymap has come out very strangely, is all
17:03:59Tornei was a bit confused when investigating because ofd the EXIT vs CANCEL thing..
17:04:11Tornebut it's probably sufficient to just change frotz's buttons
17:04:44*funman just bricked 2 fuzes at once
17:04:57JdGordonmazal tov!
17:05:19kugelfunman: what did you do to them?, or maybe leave it, actually
17:05:34funmanmodify mkamsboot
17:05:44funmani should have tried on one at a time
17:06:33funmani changed 'mov pc,lr' into 'bx lr'
17:07:28funmanin the nrv decompressor
17:10:05funmanperhaps they stored the address without the bit 0 set
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17:11:30kugelI guess ranma will have two new toys soon?
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17:14:17JdGordon206 open bugs/patches older than june 2008
17:14:23 Part Zagor
17:14:31CIA-98New commit by funman (r26432): ARM: use BX when branch to an address in register
17:14:40JdGordonmore than 50% of open tasks...
17:14:54funmanJdGordon: if there have been comments since then, that means they are still active
17:16:09JdGordonok, redoing search...
17:16:33JdGordon78 unchanged since june 08
17:16:44S_a_i_n_t_s/active/someone asking for a patch that will probably never be committed to be synced a million times/
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17:26:14vaguerantkugel: Have you seen this PictureFlow bugfix:
17:26:24vaguerantThere's already a patch submitted for it.
17:27:49S_a_i_n_t_vaguerant: Is that the "Show album" thing...? That must be target specific, my pictureflow works fine.
17:28:01S_a_i_n_t_(album title stays where I put it)
17:28:48pixelmaS_a_i_n_t_: do you already started a todo list for updating cabbiev2? I might get some motivation during DevCon as I can test on all sorts of targets...
17:28:48JdGordonwtf? does anyone else se their username after (csavery) on that link?
17:28:55pixelmaor did
17:29:59JdGordon wtf?
17:30:21S_a_i_n_t_I never got around to doing a list, I started preparing backdrops when I thought that we'd be doing the FM Radio/Now Playing titles with a text string, but then I talked it over with JdGordon and decided it would probably look shit.
17:30:34S_a_i_n_t_Errrrr...."bad" rather.
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17:31:39vaguerantS_a_i_n_t_: It's screen-size specific.
17:31:56vaguerantDisplays under 100px height have it.
17:33:03vaguerantAnd that's really damn weird JdGordon, not happening on my end.
17:35:23S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: basically, it's this: Whatever the FMS needs done, convert volume to use progressbar logic, convert battery to use progressbar logic, see if any targets can gain additional display information by converting a few things to use multifont (track time elapsed/remaining? etc.), make the volume display a numeric percentile whilst volume is being changed...
17:35:35S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: Do you have anything to add to that?
17:36:26pixelmayes - convert many of the WPS to using viewports first...
17:37:00S_a_i_n_t_I think be using multifont (smaller font) for time elapsed/remaining, and dropping the progressbar down a little a couple of targets could gain an additional line of disply.
17:37:23S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: Ah, yes...that would be priority number 1
17:37:27JdGordonif you want to use different colours in an area which Ideally would be one viepwort then let me know...
17:37:29pixelmaJdGordon: I didn't see that in the flyspray task even when logged in
17:38:48pixelmaJdGordon: there was a quite detailed timestamp instead
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17:39:06JdGordonthats what I would have expected... I'm assuming firefox bug
17:39:30AlexPJdGordon: No worries, I'll have a look later if I get round to it
17:39:33pixelmaJdGordon: Firefox here too (currently on Mac though)
17:39:45AlexPJdGordon: I like the idea, I just think it probably needs to be turn-offable
17:39:57kugelJdGordon: check your timestamp settings
17:39:59SchroederXI have a question about uninstalling rockbox from my ipodNano2G...
17:40:07AlexPJdGordon: But I guess adding a display it or not tag to the tag can be part of the rework
17:40:52S_a_i_n_t_I think being able to add it for *specific* presets would be cool also, but perhaps asking too much. Then it would have to differ from the cuesheet logic I suppose.
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17:43:08JdGordonAlexP: yeah, like I said, if it looks shit and people want it removed I will...
17:43:28AlexPyep :)
17:43:36JdGordonmaking it shown for specific presets... I'm nto sure if that makes sense... if you only care about a few stations, it isnt likely you would have all of them in the preset file anyway
17:44:17SchroederXwhen I try to uninstall the bootloader with the RockBox Utility it says "unknown version number in firmware (0)" (Translated from german)...
17:44:56AlexPJdGordon: I didn't mean that, I meant that they are either all shown, or none shown
17:45:08JdGordonI know... S_a_i_n_t_ suggested that
17:45:12AlexPah right
17:45:48pixelmaS_a_i_n_t_: convert volume to progressbar needs testing for how it'll look on monochrome/greyscale. The bitmaps there have some kind of right "border" each, not sure how it'll look if that's missing
17:46:54SchroederXwhat can I do?
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17:47:12S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: I think that will only be for colour targets, I was thinking the same thing myself. It will look odd as the non-colour targets include the volume "background" in the image also.
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17:47:37S_a_i_n_t_I think we'll have to give progressbar logic a miss on those taargets...which is a shame :(
17:47:43*FlynDice offers funman condolences on his double fuze tragedy but surmises he might get more sleep now... ;-)
17:48:05funmanfuzev2 shows the same 4MB device
17:48:11S_a_i_n_t_funman: Does that leave you with *any* targets to play with/hack on?
17:48:13funmanflydutch: indeed ;)
17:48:15*S_a_i_n_t_ hopes so.
17:48:20pixelmaSchroederX: maybe the easiest would be restoring with Itunes. I don't know much about the Nano2g though
17:48:26funmanfunman: i have the 3 clips up and working
17:48:31funman.. for now!
17:48:48JdGordonS_a_i_n_t_: pixelma: if the backdrop is the lightest grey level and the filled in bar is the darkest, the contrst should be high enugh to make it work no?
17:48:50funmanbut soon fuze owners will sue my for genocide ..
17:48:51S_a_i_n_t_I know a lot about the Nano2g, but not anything about RButil output.
17:49:00S_a_i_n_t_I have never seen/heard of that before.
17:49:11SchroederXpixelma: will that remove the bootloader as an all the rockbox data?
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17:49:27S_a_i_n_t_SchroederX: Yes, it will
17:49:36SchroederXI'll try now.
17:50:12S_a_i_n_t_JdGordon: I guess that could work...the bitmaps on some are *very* small though.
17:50:27JdGordonwhy should it be any different to now though?
17:50:49pixelmaJdGordon: that's not the problem and I actually think S_a_i_n_t_ is wrong about the background on volume images, would need to check though
17:50:53JdGordonthe only real change is the drawing between min and max... the transparent part stays the same
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17:52:01S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: I may have described it wrong. It looks odd because the outline of the right side of the volume is included in the image IIRC
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17:52:25pixelmathe bitmap is mostly black and dark grey but has a few white and light grey dots to get the same "3D" look as the colour bitmap. But the right side of each form is dark
17:52:27JdGordonhang on.. i have a m ini2g here... we can settle this :p
17:52:47S_a_i_n_t_I'm looking at the .bmps now.
17:52:52S_a_i_n_t_Or, almost am :D
17:53:21JdGordonthey outline is shown
17:53:23JdGordonthat should easily be doable
17:53:31S_a_i_n_t_Yep, the "background/outline is included in the bitmap
17:53:42pixelmaJdGordon: how?
17:53:57*S_a_i_n_t_ doesn't see how either
17:53:59JdGordonso make the outline part of the backdrop, or even as a seperatly drawn image
17:54:27pixelmathe outline is at different places (and in different size)
17:54:38S_a_i_n_t_doesn't that defeat the purpose of saving filesize by decreasing images though?
17:54:39pixelmadepending on volume setting
17:54:52S_a_i_n_t_it's not like any resolution will be gained in these tiny bitmaps
17:55:35S_a_i_n_t_some of them also include a "!"
17:55:43S_a_i_n_t_how would that be handled?
17:55:51S_a_i_n_t_part of the backdrop I assume?
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17:56:10JdGordonhavnt we had this discussion a few times already?
17:56:14pixelmathat's the ones for +0dB
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17:56:20SchroederXI guess that worked. Thanks and bye.
17:56:35JdGordon%?pv<mute image|%pv|bar.....||0image|>0 image|
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17:56:55S_a_i_n_t_pixelma: from what I's for "mute"
17:57:05JdGordon! is for >0dB
17:57:06S_a_i_n_t_it's at the very start of the image
17:57:36S_a_i_n_t_*doh*...loooking at it wrong, forgot how bitmap strips work. :P
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17:58:22pixelmait's completely irrelevant where in the bitmap strip those are placed, although getting the order right there helps understanding the WPS
17:58:46S_a_i_n_t_Is there a "magic" colour for b&w/monochrome?
17:59:03S_a_i_n_t_I'm wondering how the ! could be done with progressbar volume
17:59:45pixelmaI don't see that as a problem as JdGordon said
17:59:50JdGordon%?pv<mute image|%pv|bar.....||0image|>0 image>
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18:01:49S_a_i_n_t_I'd still *really* like to be able to do a bar for >0dB...
18:02:14S_a_i_n_t_it would make the progressbar logig for volume seem *so* much smoother
18:02:59S_a_i_n_t_If I didn't get it working that one time, it wouldn't annoy me as much
18:03:08JdGordon%bar(type, empty bmp, full bmp, min value, max value, x, y, width, height) ?
18:04:06S_a_i_n_t_is that a question?
18:04:11*S_a_i_n_t_ fails the parse
18:05:31JdGordonget used to the new skin syntax :)
18:05:53S_a_i_n_t_I fear the adaptation...I really really do.
18:06:03JdGordontype would be a tag which gives a number value.. i.e %pv
18:06:10JdGordonthe rest should be self explanatory!
18:06:44*JdGordon is gone
18:06:46S_a_i_n_t_"empty bmp" isn't really necessary is it?
18:06:54S_a_i_n_t_just "bar bmp" would suffice
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18:07:19S_a_i_n_t_I usually/always actually make "empty bay" from the backdrop
18:07:31S_a_i_n_t_*empty bar
18:08:49S_a_i_n_t_Though, I guess the way you just posted would allow for easy conditional placement of the progressbar
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18:11:49funman[16902.408074] sd 23:0:0:0: [sdf] 16055296 512-byte logical blocks: (8.22 GB/7.65 GiB)
18:11:54funmanI call that a day :P
18:14:13funmanfirst bytes are the firmware
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18:15:28funmanfuzev2 back to life \o/
18:16:21funmane200v2 trick
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18:17:42funmankugel: that fuzev2 exchange still holds? ;)
18:18:05funman <- I connected those 2 dots together while plugging usb
18:18:48kugelI don't think I connected those when I tried that trick on the fuzev1
18:19:01funmani don't see something identical
18:19:04funman(on fuzev1)
18:20:01kugelif it still works we can still do what you planned for the devcon
18:20:42funmanwait, i need to resolder the battery, plug the button board.. i still have time to screw it up
18:21:07kugelwhy did you need to remove the battery?
18:21:16funmanto be sure it was powered off when i plugged USB
18:21:33kugela good idea probably
18:21:55funmanit should be ok, i resoldered the battery on clipv1 and i think the spacing is larger on fuze
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18:28:37Rob2223funman: now im at home and the forum is down. is it ok to swap all MI to IM in all microsoft urls? or is there any word border i have to take care?
18:29:04funmanRob2223: start by swapping one
18:29:15funmanand the characters you swap *must* be spaced of 32 bits
18:29:31funmanthe 2 examples i gave you should be representative of what we can do
18:30:38Rob2223yeah, so the crc sum adds all 32 bit words
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18:33:06Rob2223"1234""5678" <= when each number is a byte, swap 1 and 2, or 1 and 5?
18:34:03funman1 & 5
18:34:12Rob2223ok thx, will try
18:34:15funman1+(N*4) == 5 (with N == 1)
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18:40:10Rob2223well i took a single* url anywhere and changed "m" and "o" and that he still flashes
18:40:40Rob2223so it isnt a signature or at laset not over the whole firmware file
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18:49:28funmanok, what about the 'Hiphop' change? this one only affects the firmware block (it's what we do for rockbox)
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18:52:57kugelgevaerts: I think I'm done with firmware as well now
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18:55:14funmani found the pins on fuzev1 too : they are on the other side
18:56:15funmandidn't try restoring yet, just reading. I tried on a fuze board with LCD connector broken
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18:57:29Rob2222funman: changed hiphop and Hip-Hop, too he accepted as well
18:57:52funmanbtw i couldn't go back to an older firmware too
18:58:13funmanbut from 2.3.33 patched to 2.3.33 patched (diffently, which bricked my fuze) worked
18:58:40Rob2222you tested if he accepts 2.3.31?
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19:01:17*kugel doesn't get it "warning: implicit declaration of function ‘open’"
19:01:19funmannope it bricked first
19:01:37funmanclipv1 seems to be able to be unbricked too
19:01:52funmanbut USB disconencted when i removed the wiring
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19:03:47Rob2222funman: ah i git it, you had a differently patched firmware that the player accepted, but it bricked your fuze. :(
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19:04:44funmanyes but it's restored now, check the logs
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19:07:03bertrikfunman, nice find!
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19:07:52Rob2222funman: ic, well done
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19:15:45thehodappwhen is the next version of RB utility likely to come out?
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19:20:39TexasRockboxI see that someone has brazenly created an iPod theme and posted it in "Themes". Is that now permitted..... (already know the answer)
19:20:56S_a_i_n_t_TexasRockbox: link?
19:21:06S_a_i_n_t_I wanna make sure it's not mine
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19:21:43S_a_i_n_t_If its in Nano I'll be pissed.
19:22:01bieberJdGordon: I'm going to try and make top-level viewports my last change to the parser before I get moving on the GUI base, but hopefully I'll finish that up a lot earlier than I've scheduled and have some time to give named arguments a try
19:22:38TexasRockboxAlso in the Cowon D2 themes
19:22:45S_a_i_n_t_good, it's not my one ;)
19:24:43S_a_i_n_t_well...not "good", but I'm glad it's not the one I made. It comes with explicit instruction not to associate it with rockbox at all.
19:26:52*S_a_i_n_t_ wonders what happened to the "report" button that used to be on the themesite...
19:27:07S_a_i_n_t_aha, I'm blind.
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19:28:10gevaertsYes, please report. The admin side of the theme site is a bit broken, and it makes it really hard to work with non-reported themes
19:28:54TexasRockboxIs there a "report"? I didn't see it (maybe I'm going blind too)
19:29:00S_a_i_n_t_it's not very good...
19:29:10S_a_i_n_t_TexasRockbox: I've done it already
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19:30:15S_a_i_n_t_It uses the "disk access" animation for volume...that's just shabby.
19:30:22bluebrotherthehodapp: why are you asking? Do you have a problem with it?
19:30:27gevaertshm, I can't remember now if the policy was to only reject straight copies or also redrawn ones...
19:30:36S_a_i_n_t_If you're going to do something, do it well...then *don't* associate it with RB
19:30:42*S_a_i_n_t_ grrrr's at that guy.
19:30:54gevaertsS_a_i_n_t_: is this a clear copy, or is it "inspired by"?
19:31:06S_a_i_n_t_gevaerts: it uses images dumped from the OF
19:31:22TexasRockboxWhen it's named "iPod".....
19:31:33*gevaerts does things
19:31:45bluebrotherbieber: nice work :)
19:31:54S_a_i_n_t_gevaerts: so, if mine is redrawn (which it is) does that mean I *could* put it up?
19:32:02S_a_i_n_t_though I realise it's bad taste
19:32:02bieberThank you
19:32:07gevaertsS_a_i_n_t_: I don't know
19:32:09S_a_i_n_t_and I wouldn't, just curious
19:32:45S_a_i_n_t_I remember having this conversation with Llorean, but I can't remember the outcome.
19:32:59bluebrothersome comments: IMO it would be better to put extern "C" stuff into the header that exports the symbols. If you guard that with #ifdef __cplusplus it works with both C and C++ and the user doesn't need to worry about that.
19:33:00saratoga_as long as you're not using stuff from the OF its probably ok
19:33:16thehodappWell I've got a clip v2 and a sansa fuze v2 which aren't supported yet. I just was wondering would it be released soon..general time period
19:33:47bieberbluebrother: IIRC, I tried that my first time around and it ended up not working: I'll have to give it another try and see what it was I did wrong
19:33:47gevaertsTexasRockbox: thanks for reporting
19:33:50TexasRockboxEven if it's redrawn, isn't the layout and general design copyrighted
19:33:56bieberAt the time I just assumed GCC didn't allow it
19:34:03bluebrotherbieber: check f.e. rbutil/ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.h
19:34:16bluebrotherthe #ifdef __cplusplus is important :)
19:34:37bieberOh wait, are there two underscores there?
19:34:43S_a_i_n_t_thehodapp: fuzeV2 is supported
19:34:43bluebrotherthehodapp: clipv2 is supported with 1.2.6
19:34:48S_a_i_n_t_it just isn't stable
19:34:55bluebrotherbieber: yes. Let me double check to make sure :)
19:35:00bieberI think that was my problem
19:36:10bluebrotherthere is a nice page with compiler / standard / os defines:
19:36:12S_a_i_n_t_TexasRockbox: IIRC (though, my knowledge is limited) only the original images are copyright.
19:36:38S_a_i_n_t_A recreation is *teschnically* possible if I understand it correctly,'s arguable.
19:36:48bluebrotherthehodapp, S_a_i_n_t_: fuzev2 is supported in svn, but not with 1.2.6 (unless the wiki page is out of date)
19:37:19bluebrotherthehodapp: I'm providing binaries built from svn (done every now and then and completely untested). If you're brave enough you can try them:
19:37:39thehodappYeah it fails with 1.2.6 but I can still install it manually. It's not terrible.
19:38:33S_a_i_n_t_so by "not supported yet" I'm guessing you meant by the installer?
19:38:38S_a_i_n_t_thehodapp: ^
19:39:14S_a_i_n_t_aha...the wording confused me.
19:39:24S_a_i_n_t_it's obviously supported ;)
19:39:43thehodappfuze v2?
19:39:59CIA-98New commit by bieber (r26433): Theme Editor: Added extern C declarations to header files
19:40:18S_a_i_n_t_yes, but by "supported" I mean, there is a port...there is code, it runs.
19:40:26bluebrotherfuzev2 is supported by Rockbox. It is not supported by the latest release of Rockbox Utility.
19:40:37S_a_i_n_t_not just "rbutil installs it", that's entirely different from supported.
19:40:38bluebrotherwhich hopefully makes the issue clear ;-)
19:40:48thehodappok sorry I'm very confusing. that's what I meant
19:41:57funmanfirst clipv1 unbricked \o/
19:42:24bluebrotherbieber: you committed a patch by JdGordon recently. Was this FS #11333?
19:42:47bieberOh, I should mark the FlySpray entry when I do that, shouldn't I?
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19:43:19bluebrotherok. Generally, if you commit a patch from Flyspray you should mention it in the commit comment.
19:43:42bluebrotherplus, when committed it would be good to close the FS entry to keep the tracker clean.
19:43:56bluebrotherwell, or at least to have less dead entries around.
19:44:09bieberOkay, sorry I forgot that
19:44:30bieberI still need to get Zagor to upgrade my Flyspray priveleges, is he around?
19:44:37bluebrotherit's not an actual problem, rather an annoyance ;-)
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19:45:14bluebrotherdoesn't look like. But you can always ask in IRC for someone to close a task for you until that's fixed.
19:45:29bieberOkay, will do
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19:47:02bluebrotheran additional idea from my side: what do you think about adding descriptions to the tags? Would make the table display pretty nice for people like me that aren't too familiar with the wps tokens
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19:49:09bieberbluebrother: Perhaps that should be done in comments on the tag table, so it doesn't take up extra memory? Although I would imagine the CustomWPS wiki page would always be a better reference
19:49:43*S_a_i_n_t_ wonders what is happening with the RB-TTS GSOC projest (accronym hell...) it *was* accepted wasn't it?
19:50:03S_a_i_n_t_I have seen approximately no chatter about it of late.
19:50:13bieberWhich reminds me, when we create a big global variable like the tag table, is that loaded into memory at boot and stuck there at all times, or is it allocated/deallocated whenever it's needed? Or is the compiler smart enough to realize it's never written to and just reference program memory?
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19:50:30bluebrotherbieber: well, not sure how to do this best. IMO displaying the skin tree in the final theme editor would be interesting, at least for debugging purposes. For that it would be nice to have a more user-friendly display
19:50:43bluebrothera global variable won't get (de)allocated all time.
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19:51:05DriseHey guys. Another question, any advice on adding roms for rockboy?
19:51:20S_a_i_n_t_Drise: Define?
19:51:38bieberOhh, so you mean an extra description to display to the user. I should probably build a separate table for that within the Theme Editor, so I can QObject::tr all the strings (we do want this to be translatable, right?)
19:51:40DriseI'm looking to add roms for gb/gba files for use with rockboy
19:51:41bluebrotherif that variable doesn't change you can (and should) make it const. Then the compiler could even put it into ROM (not that this is possible on a PC, but const data is usually placed in a different segment)
19:51:50S_a_i_n_t_"put your roms whereever you like"
19:51:57bluebrotherS_a_i_n_t_: the TTS project was accepted.
19:51:59bieberC does const?
19:52:02Drisewhere should i put them if its needed to be specific
19:52:02S_a_i_n_t_that pretty much covers it.
19:52:08bluebrotherbieber: yes.
19:52:18DriseSaint: ok.
19:52:24S_a_i_n_t_Drise: Put them wherever you want
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19:52:51bluebrotherbieber: well, I'm not sure what's the best way to do this. On the one hand it would be nice to have all in the same place. OTOH putting the strings into a c file creates issues with i18n, as you said.
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19:53:43S_a_i_n_t_bluebrother: Good to know, I haven't seen any chatter about it in here...parhaps I've just missed it.
19:53:49DriseAny advice on what roms to look for, or any limitations that it can handle (Fuze v2)?
19:54:08bieberI _could_ do some typedeffing to put it all in the same place and only do the Qt descriptions when it's compiling as C++
19:54:13S_a_i_n_t_Drise: Turn based RPGs seem to work best IMO
19:54:28bluebrotherputting the strings in the legal_tags table has another disadvantage: in case that it gets used somewhere else (f.e. in Rockbox) thos additional data might be unwanted.
19:54:31S_a_i_n_t_also, I don't think ROMS larger that 1MB can be loaded.
19:55:07bluebrotherbieber: it's not really important. Just an idea :)
19:55:15Drisedoes it handle GBA roms?
19:55:28*bluebrother points to the manual
19:55:43S_a_i_n_t_DriseL: GB and GBC only
19:55:53S_a_i_n_t_this info is in the wiki/manual also
19:55:54DriseWhoops, i meant GBC
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19:56:25bieberOkay. I'll probably just add the table to my ParseTreeModel class
19:57:38bluebrotherno hurries. Having the other stuff working is more important. User friendly can come later :)
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19:57:46bieberGot it
19:59:05bluebrotheranother thing I've stumbled across: in case you want to have some property editor for the tags once the GUI is getting more important this could be interesting:
19:59:53DriseOh, last thing, does Doom not handle file saving? My fuze locks up everytime i try...
19:59:55bieberOoh, that must be the widget they use in Qt Designer for widget properties
20:00:24bluebrotherI'm not completely sure (as it's separately from Qt itself), but it looks rather exactly like that.
20:00:46bieberOhhh, okay
20:00:50bluebrotherthey have it LGPL licensed, so we could use it. In case it makes sense of course.
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20:04:03bieberThanks for the help, I've got to go do Memorial Day stuff now. I'll be back tonight to code some more :)
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20:14:48funman <- jesus clip and jesus fuzev2
20:15:11Battousaithey look more like zombies to me
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20:19:41funman <- for clipv1 i had to connect those 2 pads, but i had to kept them connected. I will try on another clipv1 with battery soldered
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20:20:49bertrikfunman, what pin is it on the SoC?
20:21:33funmanno idea
20:22:00funmanon fuzev1/v2 e200v2 clipv1 the pins are almost at the same location w.r.t the nand
20:22:10funmanon fuzev1 / clipv1 they are on the other side of the PCB though
20:22:39Zigtownany advances in the iPod classic department?
20:23:06bluebrotherZigtown: no
20:23:53mc2739funman: good work - are all of your bricked sansas working now?
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20:26:06funmannope it looks like the other clipv1 is really dead
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20:26:48S_a_i_n_t_funman: At least when you do something, you do it well :)
20:26:54funmani have a fuzev1 that works but the LCD conenctor is broken, so it's just a USB key, and another one with USB connection fried -> will try to restore at least rockbox on that one: I can still charge and copy files from µSD
20:27:11funmanerr, already tried. USB is fried so no recovery possible
20:27:17mc2739I wonder if FlynDice's clip can be brought back to life with this method
20:29:30funmanthe clip+ he sent to ranma ?
20:30:45funmanI see something similar just left to the down button
20:31:04funman <- left to the left button, there is a group of 3 resistors, and 2 pads
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20:34:03Luca_Sfunman: great news :D you guys are amazing...
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20:36:32r0b-well funman i think i know the issue
20:36:39r0b-its a last minute hardware change
20:37:54r0b-thats all i can think
20:37:58Rob2222r0b-: from where you know?
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20:40:02mc2739r0b-: which version is your OF? - maybe some disassembly will an additional radio init routine
20:40:34r0b-is there a Firmware dumper for Windows?
20:40:54funmanr0b-: did it work with a previous rockbox build?
20:41:15r0b-i tried one from a few days ago and nothing
20:41:24funmanok i thought it stopped working
20:41:25r0b-ill try maybe the FIRST rockbox build for the Clip+?
20:41:34funmanif you want, it won't harm
20:42:04funmanclip+ FM worked in r25190
20:42:48pixelmawhat's the problem?
20:43:06r0b-funman could you link me to r25190?
20:43:14pixelmacan you dual boot into the OF?
20:43:31r0b-FM works perfectly in the OF
20:44:36r0b-the software lock doesnt work either
20:45:01r0b-its a long home press right?
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20:45:14funmanin the WPS, with current svn, yes
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20:45:48pixelmahmmm.. if you started the radio in the OF since, then it's not as similar as I thought it could be to the first steps of radio and the c200v1 port. I experienced radio vanishing iin Rockbox back then too but starting the radio in the OF once helped for a while
20:46:39r0b-pixelma this is a Sansa Clip Plust (the newest Clip)
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20:54:05topikhome+center on the clip+
20:54:43topiknope, just home
20:54:57r0b-ok that works
20:55:07mc2739topik: it changed with r26396
20:55:16topiki'm so behind the times :)
20:56:47DriseI dont remember seeing this in the manual, but is updating to the lastest OF ok? or should i keep the one i installed RB with
20:57:11mc2739Drise: which target?
20:57:38Driseinstalled with .26 and its asking to install .33
20:57:48mc2739if you update the sansa OF, it will remove the Rockbox bootloader
20:57:57Driseok. thanks.
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21:00:03r0b-funman i cant find the firmware for the clip plus in .zip
21:00:06r0b-for r25190
21:00:35funmani think you have to build it
21:01:16r0b-and i dont have the build tools
21:01:18r0b-forget it
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21:02:15funman <- if you don't have a build environment i can't send you patches to test to see if the FM works
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21:04:59r0b-ill setup the Interix enviroment
21:05:39funmani think that is the slowest environment (that's what i read)
21:06:16r0b-wouldnt it be easier for you to send me a patch firmware? for r25190
21:06:35saratoga_depends whose time is more useful
21:06:47pixelmaI thought it's a bit quicker than cygwin - but it's one of the more unusual environments
21:07:55funmanr0b-: no because i don't think it will work anyway
21:08:12r0b-its probably a hardware change
21:08:20r0b-how can i dump my firmware?
21:10:45saratoga_r0b: utils/AMS/hacking
21:11:10saratoga_that unpacks the firmware bin file, not sure if thats what you wanted
21:11:33r0b-i dunno
21:11:39r0b-i guess for FM i can use the OF
21:11:57vaguerantHuh, what's it unpack it into.
21:12:19funmanvaguerant: ?
21:12:21saratoga_a bunch of library files mostly
21:13:43S_a_i_n_t_does "database_changelog" just need to be in .rockbox during database init to autoupdate? Or do I need to "import modifications"?
21:16:53r0b-for FM ill just use the OF
21:17:45pixelmathere was one target (the OndioFMs) where they changed the tuner chip at some point
21:17:59pixelmafor the better :)
21:19:24bertriksomehow I haven't really been able to get FM working properly on the c200v2 even though it uses the same tuner chip family as other sansas. There are several subtly different versions (different firmware) of the Si4702 tuner chip for example.
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21:30:44funmanbertrik: can we somehow show the firmware version in the debug menu, or we must decipher it from the FM regs?
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21:31:44bertrikfunman, I think that currently the debug menu does not show anything in the radio debug menu if something went wrong during FM chip detection
21:32:14bertrikIt's very easy to decode it from the FM regs though, basically the first two numbers show the chip type and version
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21:33:54funmanwasn't the c200v2 problem a tuning problem and not init ? (deadlock)
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21:38:51amiconnIs there someone with an mr100 or YH-920 around?
21:40:21*gevaerts checks if his mr100 has enough power to boot
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21:40:56r0b-bertrik your c200v2 wont let you use the FM?
21:41:01r0b-in Rockbox?
21:41:21amiconngevaerts: First I'd be interested in test_fps results with current svn
21:42:29*bluebrother can test on mr100 too
21:42:33gevaertsbuilding now
21:42:38amiconnI also have a patch with the greylib optimisation for mr100. For the other mono/grey arm targets I'd need to prepare it, but that should be fairly easy now
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21:43:38amiconnclipv1, clipv2 and clip+ are further candidates (but I guess they are so fast with svn already that the difference is almost immeasurable)
21:43:45amiconngevaerts: Oh, wait...
21:44:05amiconnYou should replace GREY_ON_COP in test_fps.c with 0 in the greylib init
21:44:39amiconn(so greylib runs on CPU.... and we actually get to see the ISR load)
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21:44:59bertrikr0b-, sometimes it works, often it doesn't, I guess some kind of initialisation problem
21:45:47r0b-so im not the only one :)
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21:47:23bertrikMaybe that's something nice to work on during devcon :)
21:47:54r0b-what does your c200v2 show in System−−>Debug−−>FM Hardware
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21:50:01gevaertsamiconn: test running
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21:50:26*S_a_i_n_t_ has only just noticed that the debug/battery screen counts down "time to full charge" in the estimated time remaining...
21:52:17gevaertsamiconn: I get "CPU load err (boost?)"
21:52:28amiconnAh, yes, you need to boost manually
21:52:49amiconnProblem is that the greylib on PP needs to boost always, but only during display
21:53:19amiconnThe load percentage measurement works by comparing greylib framebuffer update speed with and without display
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21:53:50amiconnSo if CPU speed changes between those two measurements, it will obviously fail
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21:56:23CIA-98New commit by amiconn (r26434): Smaller & faster greylib blitting on iriver H1x0 and iAudio M5, based on the ARM version but using mulu.l for the bit shuffling. ISR speedup is ~10%.
21:56:44gevaertsamiconn: 1/1: 1052.5 fps, 1/4: 4102.0 fps, greylib 1/1: 200.0 fps, CPU load: 12%, no remote here, CPU: 80 MHz
21:57:16pixelmaLlorean: peakmeter in the radio screen only gives sensible information on the hwcodec targets
21:57:44pixelmayou can use it on swcodec too but it won't show anything useful
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21:59:01amiconnYou only need to replace the core after rebuilding
21:59:51amiconnPlease check whether it's faster (but 12% isr load is already quite low), and whether it works properly (no negative display, no wrong line order or similar)
22:00:39funmaninteresting, the fuzev1 only shows the 1st bank over USB when unbricking
22:00:54amiconnThe patch still contains the old code for comparison (#if 1 / #else / #endif) - of course the #else part will be removed before commit
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22:07:21gevaertsamiconn: 1/1: 1051.5 fps, 1/4: 4102.0 fps, greylib 1/1: 204.5 fps, CPU load: 10%, no remote here, CPU: 80 MHz
22:08:01gevaertscube still looks fine
22:08:52amiconnAh, so still a noticeable speedup (of the ISR - the overall update speed doesn't change as much because availabe CPU power changes 88% -> 90%)
22:09:02amiconnnice ,thanks :)
22:10:00amiconn(or COP if running on COP... this might be interesting for dualcore plugins like mpegplayer)
22:10:13funmanhum the fuzev1 doesn't want to boot the OF : I only see the backlight
22:10:31funmanI tried with patched & genuine OF
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22:11:57amiconngevaerts: You could enter those figures on LcdFrameRate - or should I do it?
22:12:12funmanLCD & wheel/buttons work fine in RB, I can browse the disk so I think everything is plugged correctly and partition isn't corrupted
22:13:24gevaertsamiconn: I'm just about to leave my keyboard for a while.
22:13:29CIA-98New commit by amiconn (r26435): Port the greylib blitting optimisation to m:robe 100. It's even more efficient on monochrome LCDs - about 20% ISR speedup.
22:14:26amiconnHmm, unboosted update speed would also be interesting for the table (minus greylib, obviously)
22:16:22bertrikr0b-, the first two registers in the FM debug screeb on my c200v2 show 1242 0850 (while the radio is playing fine)
22:16:50r0b-i cant even get my FM to play in Rockbox
22:17:08funmanr0b-: is your build environment setup?
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22:17:48r0b-you said it probabably wont work so i didnt set it up
22:18:08funmani said r25xxx won't work but i also said i can't send you patches if you don't
22:18:28funmanmy patches might not work, but complaining here sure won't work
22:18:38r0b-k im setting it up
22:19:59mc2739bertrik: I thought you fixed the AMS radio problems at devcon last year ;)
22:20:26funmanhe'll do it again ;)
22:20:27bertrikmc2739, that was the AMS radio problem on e200v2
22:20:43bertrik(domonoky's e200v2 to be exact)
22:21:12bertrikhm, can't make it fail anymore on the c200v2 in 5 attempts
22:23:04r0b-heh i forgot i had VMWare
22:23:58r0b-ill use the vmware enviroment
22:24:28funmana VM running linux is better i think
22:24:40r0b-thats what im gonna do
22:25:28r0b-basically this will let me just SVN the source and build
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22:29:48funmanbertrik: can the c200v2 be easily opened? would you like to try if the unbrick method works on it ?
22:30:28bertrikfunman, yes, it's easily opened, although the case is getting a bit wobbly
22:30:47funmaniirc the battery is user replacable, but I don't remember if you can access the PCB
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22:37:45r0b-ok funman after i install the vmware stuff then wat?
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22:38:34funmanstart by building the revision i gave you, we never know, and you'll make familiar with building rockbox
22:39:19r0b-rev 2519?
22:39:36r0b-or whatever
22:40:04bertrikfunman, shall I have a go at trying the unbrick method on the c200v2 right now?
22:40:09funmanr0b-: url of irc logs is in the topic
22:40:22bertrikdo you know which pins to bridge? do I need to solder anything?
22:40:39funmanbertrik: well, if you want to know if the method works on all sansas, why not
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22:40:48funmanI just need to find pictures of the PCB to look at
22:41:07bertrikoh I think I still have pictures from an earlier disassembly
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22:43:07r0b-i take it i need the .c and .h files?
22:43:57bertrikoh no, I don't have the pictures. You don't know yet what to bridge, right?
22:44:59funmanno but i know where to look
22:45:28bertrikI'll open it and take pictures
22:45:34funmanthere are some on the wiki already
22:45:54funman the one aligned with the bottom of the connector is a possible candidate
22:46:04funman(2 pins around the bottom left corner of the nand)
22:46:43funmanbut on the other side seems more likely
22:47:03funman -> on the left side of the nand, at the bottom, there is one resistor and 2 pins
22:47:13bertrikhow can I know if it worked? do I see some other usb id or something like that?
22:48:02funmanxxd /dev/sdX|head -3
22:48:11funmanif you see 'mkdosfs' or 'fat' or anything it didn't work
22:48:27funmanif you see 2 lines of numbers and 0xffffff then you're looking at the start of the OF
22:48:55r0b-ok funman
22:49:02r0b-im getting the latest rockbox from svn
22:52:26r0b-ok now what?
22:52:36r0b-funman can you supply me the patches?
22:52:51funmani have none
22:53:02r0b-where can i get them?
22:55:19bertrikfunman, you mean next to the 4th pin from the bottom left of the NAND?
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22:57:00bertrikso, I connect these two pins, then power it up over and USB? (can I release them after powerup?)
22:57:11bertrikdo I need the battery connected too?
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22:58:59bertrikI suppose there's no logo or anything else on the display when in recovery mode, right?
22:59:10funmanyou can leave the battery connected. just connect those two and plug USB, you can release the pins after a few (I was watching dmesg output in real time and unconnected them as soon as I saw a USB connection)
23:00:27CIA-98New commit by rob (r26436): Enable IRAM on TCC7801 (Cowon D2) for a 6-12% speedup in codecs that use it, and a small increase in battery life.
23:01:19bertrikfunman, no luck so far, but the pins are really small so maybe I didn't connect them right
23:01:35bertriknext, I'll try the pins slightly higher, they seem to go directly to the nand
23:01:52funmanyep just saw that
23:02:06bertrik6th pin up from the bottom left of the NAND
23:02:08funmanperhaps we should first look what the pins are connected to on other models
23:02:20funmanah i was looking under
23:02:46funmanhmm no that one, sorry
23:03:16funmanon fuzev2 it's not explicit what they are connected to, and on fuzev1 they are not on the same side as the nand
23:03:30funmanclipv1 pins are on the other side, too
23:03:45bertrikyay, same pin as the recovery pin for e200v2
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23:04:38funmanI guess m200v4 should work too
23:05:25bertrikwait, it's not working yet, I mean the recovery pins are on the 6th pin up from the bottomleft of the NAND on the e200v2 too
23:06:19funmanoops, i scream victory too early. i was just looking at the e200v2 pic and saw that the pins were at the same position
23:07:26CIA-98New commit by rob (r26437): test_codec: close the log file before attempting to open a new one, and clear the button queue before displaying the menu a second time.
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23:13:17bertrikfunman, I'm now seeing a USB device 0781:6200, nothing on the display and a lot of errors in dmesg
23:14:35funmandoes lsusb say it's M200PLUS Productid ?
23:14:45bertrikxxd /dev/sdb shows nothing
23:15:00funmandoes the device exist?
23:15:08bertrikno it just says SanDisk Corp.
23:15:29bertrikyes, I have /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc
23:15:47funmanon the clipv1 I had to keep the pin connected all the time
23:16:03bertrikxxd /dev/sdb shows nothing and xxd /dev/sdc says "No medium found"
23:16:03funmanbut then I had no battery
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23:16:18bertrikok, I'll try that (no battery connected here either)
23:16:25funmantry this:
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23:16:40funmansudo su -c "while :;do dmesg -c;read -t 1 && clear;done"
23:16:46funman(press enter to clear the output)
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23:17:21funmanwhen I disconnected the pins i could see immediately USB messages
23:17:27bertrikCan't I just simply 'tail -f /var/log/messages'?
23:18:09funmanprobably, if you like simple things!
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23:34:36bertrikfunman, it seems I can only make a 1-block device appear, keeping the pins connected or not doesn't seem to make a difference
23:35:24bertrikgetting an Vendor "UNDEF"
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23:40:57funmangood thing
23:41:02funmani had that too
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23:45:08bertrikI can't get anything useful to work for now, maybe I'll try tomorrow
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23:51:55Mobius-1hello all.
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