| 00:00:35 | mc2739 | Track11: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg167599#msg167599 |
| 00:00:40 | Track11 | okay. thanks man. so i can go to sleep well :) |
| 00:01:52 | funman | Bagder: anything else needed for rbutil ? |
| 00:02:23 | Bagder | probably ;-) |
| 00:02:42 | | Part froggyman |
| 00:03:39 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26534): pdbox: Applied several changes by Buschel. Reintroduced compilation for iPods. ... |
| 00:03:54 | funman | Bagder: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info |
| 00:04:37 | Bagder | <Bagder> tools/builds.pm is what controls what the latest release is called |
| 00:05:02 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:05:13 | funman | hm ok |
| 00:05:19 | funman | the one in trunk then |
| 00:05:23 | Bagder | yes |
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| 00:05:43 | Bagder | that daily/build-info is generated daily from trunk |
| 00:05:51 | Track11 | mc2739: Ive got the "BI 1004 CAHK-8GB" so im F()c3d -.- ... on my old e210 it was easy to flash but here.. it seems to be harder than i thought |
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| 00:07:03 | AlexP | funman: Can you tag the release? |
| 00:07:06 | funman | yeah |
| 00:07:10 | AlexP | cheers |
| 00:07:22 | AlexP | I don't know how to do it from git :) |
| 00:07:40 | funman | Bagder: new buildsystem clients need to be somehow approved? |
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| 00:08:16 | Bagder | funman: no, just follow the naming guidelines and you should be able to just go ahead |
| 00:08:46 | mc2739 | Track11: have faith - somebody is bound to find a way to make it work - unfortunately, none of the developers have a Fuze that fails |
| 00:08:48 | AlexP | So, is there anything left to do? |
| 00:08:55 | AlexP | Except send mails etc :) |
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| 00:09:28 | funman | Bagder: ok, i just see that it was not part of the last round |
| 00:09:34 | funman | forum announcement |
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| 00:10:02 | AlexP | OK, so I'll send mails unless anyone would rather I wait? |
| 00:10:04 | Bagder | funman: oh, hm well I haven't keeping in sync with the absolutely latest, but I'm not aware of anything particular |
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| 00:10:13 | funman | let's see what happens |
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| 00:11:23 | Bagder | AlexP: the last files were put in place 23:52 so they should all be synced no later than 00:52 to the download servers |
| 00:11:38 | AlexP | OK, I'll hang on a little |
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| 00:11:47 | Bagder | euro time (for those who don't know which is the proper time zone ;-P) |
| 00:12:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26535): Tag 3.6 release |
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| 00:19:04 | funman | 2010-06-04 00:12:42 Server message: Welcome christmas-jones-funman. Your build speed is 0 points/sec. Your upload speed is 0 KB/s. |
| 00:19:33 | funman | hmm "cores 0" isn't right |
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| 00:20:24 | kugel | funman: maybe the detection doesn't work on mac, try to add it manually (IIUC edit runclient.sh and add -cores=X) |
| 00:21:11 | funman | i think it's sysctl hw.ncpu -> "hw.ncpu: 4" |
| 00:21:21 | Track11 | mc2739: i compiled my rockbox version on my own but i cant do anythingt with boodloader coding. Just testing some key bindings on my fuze to look what its doing. I found some binding by shutdown, lock > connect usb and hold the home button till its booted.. so you can choose the system settings (land, clock and something) but no flash |
| 00:21:38 | kugel | lol, my yh-j70 just told me "Need firmware upgrade" after it powered of due to empty battery |
| 00:21:59 | kugel | its battery seems dead :( |
| 00:22:05 | bluebrother | funman: you're running a build client on a mac? |
| 00:22:08 | funman | yes |
| 00:22:56 | bluebrother | which version? I failed building the toolchain on 10.6 |
| 00:23:11 | funman | not sure ^^ i built the 3.6 bins with it |
| 00:23:20 | funman | darwin kernel 9.8.0 should be 10.6 ? |
| 00:23:42 | funman | Darwin jones.via.ecp.fr 9.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 |
| 00:23:48 | funman | i386 - so perhaps it's not 10.6 |
| 00:23:52 | bluebrother | hmm, no idea how that matches. You can figure the OS version via the apple menu |
| 00:24:03 | funman | i only have remote ssh access, |
| 00:24:26 | bluebrother | hmm ok. |
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| 00:24:55 | bluebrother | not sure how you reliably figure that then. You can do that from a program :) (Rockbox Utility does that) |
| 00:25:46 | bluebrother | ok, my machine is Kernel Version 10.3.0 which is 10.6.3 |
| 00:25:52 | funman | I forced probecores to return 4 |
| 00:26:11 | bluebrother | so I guess your machine is 10.5 or 10.4. |
| 00:26:14 | dfkt | would it work to make an 'inverse' diff if i just inverted the plusses and minusses in this one, or would it break? - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/keymaps/keymap-clip.c?r1=26395&r2=26396&pathrev=26396&view=patch |
| 00:26:33 | gevaerts | dfkt: why would you do that? |
| 00:26:45 | bluebrother | dfkt: you can apply a patch with patch -R. No need to "reverse" it. |
| 00:26:49 | dfkt | because the keymap changes are very bad, usability-wise |
| 00:27:06 | funman | bluebrother: 10.5.8 (/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist) |
| 00:27:10 | dfkt | i want to revert to the old keymap |
| 00:27:12 | gevaerts | I mean, why would you invert plusses and minusses? |
| 00:27:22 | funman | dfkt: probably faster to ask saratoga |
| 00:27:39 | dfkt | well, he didn't reply yet in the forum |
| 00:28:05 | dfkt | gevaerts, i never made a diff patch before, that's why i was asking |
| 00:28:33 | gevaerts | dfkt: as bluebrother said, apply it with -R |
| 00:29:03 | dfkt | i see, that's easy then - thanks |
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| 00:54:07 | Topic | "Rockbox 3.6 now released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | DevCon2010 will be from June 4th to 6th in Ghent, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevConEuro2010" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 00:54:22 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r26536): Update front page for 3.6 release |
| 00:54:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r26537): Update for 3.6 release. Change old releases to Historical releases (prior to 3.0) and add a link for Previous releases (3.0 and newer) |
| 00:55:06 | mc2739 | Bagder: can you update the webserver? |
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| 01:02:05 | gevaerts | AlexP: do we care about movement between unusable and unstable in the release notes? |
| 01:02:20 | AlexP | gevaerts: No, probably not |
| 01:02:48 | Llorean | I'd agree. |
| 01:03:15 | AlexP | Only stuff that affects release targets should be there |
| 01:03:43 | Llorean | We may release for unstable targets (note: I don't know if we do) but it should be "about" the stable ones since that's kinda what a release is about. |
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| 01:05:50 | mc2739 | Llorean: release builds are only created for stable targets |
| 01:06:38 | gevaerts | AlexP, Llorean: I've edited it a bit. Review welcome |
| 01:06:59 | Llorean | mc2739: It may make sense to make a build of the release branch for unstable targets, but I'm not sure. |
| 01:07:35 | gevaerts | Llorean: for unstable targets I'd say we *really* want to encourage people to use a current build |
| 01:07:54 | gevaerts | I know there are some players in there that don't see much changes, but still |
| 01:08:25 | AlexP | gevaerts: Looks good |
| 01:10:02 | Llorean | gevaerts: Some "unstable" targets are really "stable, but a significant quirk that may never see fixing" (D2 for example) |
| 01:10:11 | Llorean | But as I said, I don't know |
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| 01:10:37 | gevaerts | Llorean: yes, D2, beast, and mr500 seem to be in there |
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| 01:31:24 | saratoga | who runs the rockbox facebook group? lambda? |
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| 01:42:52 | * | Llorean didn't know there was one |
| 01:42:56 | Llorean | He'd be my guess though |
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| 02:13:23 | Tarvis | 3.6 is out! |
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| 02:13:30 | Tarvis | not in the news though |
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| 02:13:34 | NRG | hey =D |
| 02:13:37 | Tarvis | Or in the themes page |
| 02:13:47 | NRG | i have a quick question |
| 02:14:59 | NRG | can i force rockbox to load when i plug my sansa fuze into usb power, it automagically loads the other os to do usb transfers, but i want to run rockbox under power |
| 02:15:30 | Tarvis | rockbox can' |
| 02:15:38 | Tarvis | can't use fuze's usb port yet* |
| 02:15:49 | Tarvis | well |
| 02:15:53 | Tarvis | not for files anyway |
| 02:15:55 | Tarvis | charging works |
| 02:15:59 | NRG | not even just for charging? |
| 02:15:59 | NRG | yay |
| 02:16:09 | NRG | is there like a button i have to hold to load it |
| 02:16:12 | Tarvis | Hold down the home button I believe when you plug it in |
| 02:16:19 | NRG | ahhh ok |
| 02:16:20 | Tarvis | I don't think thats the one though |
| 02:16:31 | Tarvis | Just try all the buttons until it works |
| 02:17:26 | Tarvis | anyway, I'd also like to congratulate the devs for their amazing progress on fuzev2 |
| 02:17:34 | NRG | yes! very nice |
| 02:17:39 | NRG | i've been using it the last few days |
| 02:17:43 | NRG | its working very swimmingly |
| 02:18:01 | Tarvis | now it won't mater if people get a v1 or not. so I might have to pick one up now |
| 02:18:16 | NRG | its a great little peice of hardware |
| 02:18:19 | NRG | very light and fast |
| 02:18:24 | NRG | nice screen |
| 02:18:26 | NRG | pretty cheap |
| 02:18:46 | Tarvis | I'm looking for something to replace my H340 |
| 02:19:05 | Tarvis | the hard drive died, and I figure for the same price as an HDD I might as well get a fuze instead |
| 02:19:54 | Tarvis | besides, that would fit better in my pocket anyway |
| 02:20:27 | NRG | yea thats pretty much what happened to me with my ipod |
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| 02:20:42 | Tarvis | which reminds me |
| 02:20:43 | NRG | i thought about replacing the hd and battery and all but it just wasn't worth it |
| 02:21:04 | Tarvis | I was working on a friend's ipod 5G because it had a sad ipod |
| 02:21:12 | saratoga | why does pdbox use 13 bits for the whole number part of trig constants? |
| 02:21:16 | Tarvis | So I determined it needed a new hard drive |
| 02:21:24 | saratoga | cos/sin can't return more then +/-1 |
| 02:21:27 | NRG | hm... i tried all the buttons |
| 02:21:32 | Tarvis | except after taking it apart I broke the dumb battery clip off the motherboard and lost it in my garage somewhere |
| 02:21:48 | Tarvis | so uh...oops |
| 02:22:49 | Tarvis | NRG: Try holding the middle/select buttons when you plug it in |
| 02:23:13 | Tarvis | note however that it wonb't show up on the computer this way |
| 02:23:18 | Tarvis | button* |
| 02:25:07 | NRG | hmm the middle one |
| 02:25:27 | NRG | omg it worked =D |
| 02:25:30 | NRG | thanks so much |
| 02:26:36 | Tarvis | anyways, I'm waiting for the themes site to be updated to recognize 3.6, so I can update boxamp |
| 02:26:46 | Tarvis | actually I've already updated it, I just waited until now to release it |
| 02:27:18 | NRG | i'm loving the SimplyRich theme |
| 02:27:32 | NRG | i modified the colors a little bit, but its pretty much exactly my style |
| 02:27:58 | Tarvis | I think I might modify that muself to make a 'night ' theme |
| 02:28:18 | Tarvis | there was one in the wps graveyard, where the font is really dark and hard to see, except at night, but it also doesn't put out any light |
| 02:29:58 | Tarvis | I hope converting to the upcoming skin code overhaul isn't going to be too tough... |
| 02:31:27 | Tarvis | or is said overhaul already in 3.6? |
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| 02:38:21 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Tarvis: Nope. |
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| 02:38:54 | S_a_i_n_t_ | And...depends on what you call "tough" almost *every* skin tag is changing, as well as the way the syntax is presented. |
| 02:39:29 | Tarvis | I see |
| 02:40:09 | Tarvis | I suppose a compatability layer for old skins is out of the question? |
| 02:40:35 | Tarvis | or at least have the new format be, say, .wp2 or such and then no longer do updates to old .wps code? |
| 02:40:35 | S_a_i_n_t_ | There is a skin updater being worked on presently, which will make the conversion for skins already on the themesite, but if you want to do any themeing you're still going to have to learn the new syntax. |
| 02:40:44 | Tarvis | I see, that works too |
| 02:41:42 | S_a_i_n_t_ | maintaining two completely seperate syntaxes would be a *nightmare* |
| 02:43:40 | Tarvis | Even if you don't touch the old syntax anymore? I understand though |
| 02:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t_ | It means there would be irrelevant code floating around. By 3.7 this "new" syntax will be "the" syntax. |
| 02:44:24 | Tarvis | anyway I'm having a problem with the uisimulator that I haven't before |
| 02:44:40 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Did you compile your own SIM? |
| 02:44:42 | Tarvis | When I start it, the DOS window says fatal: no video device available or such before closing quickly |
| 02:44:49 | Tarvis | no, it's from rasher's builds |
| 02:44:50 | S_a_i_n_t_ | If you got it off the site...thpose are OLD. |
| 02:44:56 | Tarvis | they'e worked fine before however |
| 02:45:05 | Tarvis | also rasher's latest is from today |
| 02:45:10 | S_a_i_n_t_ | yeah, sure...with old syntax. |
| 02:45:28 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Oh, sorry...I didn't know there was a new sim. |
| 02:45:31 | S_a_i_n_t_ | my apologies. |
| 02:45:43 | Tarvis | regardless, this happens to any version I try |
| 02:45:56 | S_a_i_n_t_ | what's the problem? |
| 02:45:58 | Tarvis | could having a different video card than when I ran it before be a factor? |
| 02:46:03 | S_a_i_n_t_ | no |
| 02:46:06 | Tarvis | <Tarvis>When I start it, the DOS window says fatal: no video device available or such before closing quickly |
| 02:46:10 | Tarvis | wait...I think I know |
| 02:46:37 | Tarvis | aha |
| 02:46:48 | Tarvis | I guess it doesn't like SDL when it's using directx mode |
| 02:46:51 | S_a_i_n_t_ | AFAIK your video card shouldn't be a problem...but I could be pleasantly surprised. |
| 02:47:07 | Tarvis | 2I had SDL_VIDEODRIVER set to directx in environment variables |
| 02:47:25 | Tarvis | For some games I play, because windows 7 doesn't like 256 color mode anymore |
| 02:48:16 | Tarvis | 2got it running |
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| 03:07:20 | Tarvis | well dang |
| 03:07:27 | Tarvis | looks like the skin buffer got a huge boost |
| 03:08:34 | S_a_i_n_t_ | *ages* ago, kugel was working on a dynamic skin buffer...but I'm not sure what happened with that. I'm pretty sure the idea is for it do be dynamically allocated eventually. |
| 03:09:07 | S_a_i_n_t_ | There's a patch for it on flyspray, but it'd need syncing. |
| 03:09:51 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Tarvis: Which target are you working on? |
| 03:10:10 | Tarvis | H300 |
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| 03:13:55 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Do you have a build environment set up? The checkwps in SVN can be used to update the skin syntax (well, I'm not sure if it's 100% working yet, but the author of it got it to parse CabieV2 correctly and convert it into the new syntax). |
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| 03:14:40 | S_a_i_n_t_ | The idea is that all the themes on the themesite will be converted, and the authors will be sent a diff to reviw by email. |
| 03:14:50 | S_a_i_n_t_ | *review. |
| 03:15:56 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t_: tools/skinpdater not checkwps |
| 03:16:20 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Ooops, my mistake. |
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| 03:27:14 | Tarvis | alright, well |
| 03:27:23 | Tarvis | time to set it to use multifont and then I will update it on the site |
| 03:27:45 | Tarvis | does the themes site test for 3.6 yet? |
| 03:28:38 | S_a_i_n_t | It should do...though, I'm not 100% the themes still say works with 3.5/current build so I'm not sure. |
| 03:29:06 | Tarvis | well, I'll have to upload and see |
| 03:29:26 | S_a_i_n_t | "current build" is SVN, so...Hmmm. |
| 03:29:39 | S_a_i_n_t | you could only but try. |
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| 03:33:15 | Tarvis | ? |
| 03:33:23 | Tarvis | I thought multifont was officially added? |
| 03:33:35 | S_a_i_n_t | It is. |
| 03:34:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh...wait, it should be in 3.6 |
| 03:34:23 | S_a_i_n_t | but it isn't in 3.5 |
| 03:34:48 | Tarvis | I'm using the 3.6 build |
| 03:35:04 | S_a_i_n_t | and, what's the problem? |
| 03:35:06 | Tarvis | It doesn't complain about the tags, however the areas in the WPS are still using user font '1' even though they're set to '2' |
| 03:35:31 | S_a_i_n_t | did you forget to add the .fnt to the %Fl line? |
| 03:35:48 | Tarvis | It's there |
| 03:35:52 | Tarvis | %Fl|2|12-Fixed-SemiCond.fnt| |
| 03:36:02 | Tarvis | and a related viewport line: |
| 03:36:10 | Tarvis | %Vl|b|11|54|198|12|2|00e200|000000| |
| 03:36:49 | S_a_i_n_t | is the font installed? seems silly I know, but people forget that all the time. |
| 03:36:58 | S_a_i_n_t | isn't that font from the font pack? |
| 03:37:08 | Tarvis | yes, and it's in there |
| 03:37:20 | Tarvis | unless the theme .cfg could be interfering somehow |
| 03:37:46 | S_a_i_n_t | it shouldn't be. |
| 03:38:31 | S_a_i_n_t | pastebin the theme.cfg and the wps/sbs (preferably in the same paste so I can see all of them) and I'll have a look. |
| 03:38:51 | Tarvis | I have a feeling the Font option in the menu also changes the 2-6 fonts as well... |
| 03:39:10 | Tarvis | because it works as expected until I do that |
| 03:39:41 | S_a_i_n_t | font option in the menu is only for userfont, it should have no effect on the %Fl lines. |
| 03:40:07 | S_a_i_n_t | changing the font via the menu will only affect fonr "1" |
| 03:40:10 | S_a_i_n_t | *font |
| 03:40:35 | Tarvis | hmm, it works now |
| 03:40:43 | Tarvis | It only happened when font 1 and 2 were set to the same font |
| 03:41:23 | S_a_i_n_t | That sounds like a bug...it *should* work. even if it is irrelevant to do so. |
| 03:41:37 | Tarvis | .as in, when font: blahblah in the cfg was set to the same font as the 5Fl tag was, and then the option was changed in rockbox |
| 03:41:54 | Tarvis | %Fl* |
| 03:42:01 | JdGordon | yes, that is expected |
| 03:42:12 | JdGordon | or, more a known kludge |
| 03:42:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, yes. There's absolutely no reason to do that lol ;) but, in theory it should work. |
| 03:42:25 | Tarvis | I see |
| 03:42:29 | Tarvis | I worked around it anyways |
| 03:42:57 | JdGordon | there is a vey good reason for it, but its technical and boring :) |
| 03:43:17 | S_a_i_n_t | I see, I hate that type :P |
| 03:43:18 | Tarvis | I'm guessing because it's easier to reference the font itself instead of the number it's linked too or such? |
| 03:45:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Tarvis: The easiest way is to just assume its magic and leave it at that ;) |
| 03:45:39 | S_a_i_n_t | There's a lot of magic in the UI code. |
| 03:45:41 | Tarvis | also, is there a way in the theme to determine if the target is accessing flash or HDD memory? |
| 03:45:44 | JdGordon | na, more to save memory so it isnt loaded twiced |
| 03:46:01 | JdGordon | no, there is no way to know if disk access is sd or internal |
| 03:46:21 | Tarvis | it's a cosmetic thing that isn't entirely necessary, but it would be nice to show an SD card if it's a flash target or not |
| 03:46:57 | Tarvis | I guess Igot excited when I saw separate flash and HDD icons in the classic-statusbar skin folder |
| 03:47:02 | Tarvis | alright then, uploading time |
| 03:47:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Tarvis: Why? not all Flash targets have SD cards... |
| 03:47:32 | Tarvis | True, however none of them have disks either |
| 03:47:46 | Tarvis | Don't worry about it, the message is still conveyed either way |
| 03:47:59 | S_a_i_n_t | "disk access" *is* Flash/Hdd etc. |
| 03:48:15 | JdGordon | it would be ncie to know which is being accessed thoufh |
| 03:48:23 | S_a_i_n_t | But, I see your point...I wanted that too at first. |
| 03:48:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Again, it's just eye-candy but I think "is player boosting" would be cool too. |
| 03:49:10 | Tarvis | I just thought it was possible because, again, graphics for both are in the classic-statusbar folder |
| 03:49:13 | Tarvis | No biggie |
| 03:49:49 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not entirely sure but I think the SD icon is just to tell if SD is inserted. |
| 03:50:26 | Tarvis | as far as the .ws code for it is concerned, it doesn't look like it was used at all |
| 03:50:30 | Tarvis | .wps* |
| 03:50:52 | Tarvis | though if the user really wanted to they could replace the hdd graphic with the sd one to see it on their player |
| 03:53:28 | Tarvis | ...oh hell |
| 03:53:38 | Tarvis | I can't make a .rockbox folder because windows doesn't like the perido |
| 03:53:41 | Tarvis | period* |
| 03:54:07 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, the easiest way is to download a theme/build and core it out. |
| 03:54:46 | Tarvis | or use good old cmd.exe |
| 03:55:29 | S_a_i_n_t | ...well, there is that. But sometimes I'll say "just use the commandline" and people are like "..the wha...?" |
| 03:55:37 | S_a_i_n_t | ;) |
| 03:56:24 | Tarvis | right, screenshots time |
| 03:59:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:59:30 | Tarvis | heh...oops |
| 03:59:39 | Tarvis | just caught an alighnment goof before I submitted |
| 03:59:40 | Tarvis | phew :P |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:24 | S_a_i_n_t | You'll get that, but once the theme is submitted you can overwrite it with revisions as long as its submitted with the same details. |
| 04:00:31 | S_a_i_n_t | email, username, themename etc. |
| 04:01:10 | S_a_i_n_t | My "Symmetry" theme has had over 20 revisions since it was added. |
| 04:01:21 | S_a_i_n_t | at least 15 of those were "Ooops" moments |
| 04:01:37 | S_a_i_n_t | the other ~5 updates to features/syntax |
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| 04:09:28 | Dhraakellian | okay, I have a progressbar-only wps with moodbar albumart above |
| 04:09:34 | Dhraakellian | now to figure out how to get it below as well |
| 04:10:17 | Dhraakellian | ...or scale better |
| 04:10:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: Just add another viewport and display AA in it? |
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| 04:10:47 | S_a_i_n_t | (below the progressbar) |
| 04:10:51 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:11:21 | Dhraakellian | so the l/ stuff only works once per viewport? that would explain things a little |
| 04:11:26 | Dhraakellian | erm... |
| 04:11:46 | Dhraakellian | the %Cl/%C stuff |
| 04:11:51 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
| 04:11:53 | Dhraakellian | nasty little escape sequences |
| 04:12:05 | Dhraakellian | makes sense |
| 04:12:33 | S_a_i_n_t | well, actually...if you put it at the very top of the WPS/SBS it should work for both viewports |
| 04:12:43 | S_a_i_n_t | as long as the viewports are declared after it is. |
| 04:13:28 | S_a_i_n_t | but, failing that just include it in each viewport...that would be especially usefull if you want them to be different sizes. |
| 04:14:06 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to just stretch the albumart in one direction? |
| 04:14:37 | Tarvis | why would you want that? |
| 04:14:42 | Tarvis | Is it not square? |
| 04:14:50 | Dhraakellian | it's currently 220x4 |
| 04:14:55 | Dhraakellian | sorry, 220x5 |
| 04:15:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: Yes, it is..using the center align tags IIRC |
| 04:15:18 | S_a_i_n_t | though, that will crop the art. |
| 04:15:31 | Tarvis | alright |
| 04:15:33 | Tarvis | uploadin' |
| 04:15:42 | Dhraakellian | Tarvis: trying to recreate http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Moodbar in rockbox |
| 04:15:43 | S_a_i_n_t | make the viewport the size you want the art cropped to, then center align the art inside it. |
| 04:15:48 | S_a_i_n_t | that should work. |
| 04:16:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: You're familiar with the alignment tags for AA? |
| 04:17:15 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I'm thinking that the simplest way would be to just render as 1000x1 or 220x1 and display multiple times if I want to be able to use the same renders for multiple WPS's |
| 04:17:25 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: I know next to nothing about WPS syntax |
| 04:17:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: Then, check the manual...or the wiki. |
| 04:17:51 | Tarvis | You're using http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS as a guide |
| 04:17:52 | Tarvis | ? |
| 04:17:58 | Tarvis | ^^ very helpful page |
| 04:18:01 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 04:18:04 | S_a_i_n_t | the easiest way to do what you want is using alignment tags for AA |
| 04:18:17 | Dhraakellian | 's how I found out about %Cl and %C |
| 04:18:30 | * | Dhraakellian checks |
| 04:19:18 | Dhraakellian | %ac? |
| 04:19:20 | Tarvis | hmm |
| 04:19:27 | Tarvis | The font my theme is using is in the font pack |
| 04:19:27 | Dhraakellian | now, you said that would truncate? |
| 04:19:33 | Tarvis | What if the end user does not have said font pack? |
| 04:19:45 | Tarvis | I guess I could put in the notes that it's required |
| 04:19:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Tarvis: rename it, and include it in the theme |
| 04:19:53 | Tarvis | I see |
| 04:20:01 | Tarvis | Good idea |
| 04:20:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Not the best fix, but that's what I do. |
| 04:20:27 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26538): SPC codec: The inline asm 'memory' clobbers should be unneeded since the ASM either does not modify memory (only loads values), or it modifies things ... |
| 04:20:34 | S_a_i_n_t | The themesite is set to reject fonts present in the fontpack IIRC. |
| 04:21:01 | Tarvis | yes, I noticed (it yelled at me for it :P) |
| 04:21:15 | S_a_i_n_t | So, I found out pretty quickly that you could just rename them as I got sick of emails saying "your theme doesn't work" |
| 04:21:33 | S_a_i_n_t | and replying in turn "blah blah...fontpack" |
| 04:22:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Though, it's not terribly good practice to do so I must admit. |
| 04:22:13 | JdGordon | oy no! |
| 04:22:25 | JdGordon | if the font is in the theme pack it is expecte the user will have it |
| 04:22:30 | JdGordon | dont rename the font |
| 04:22:31 | Tarvis | alright, uploaded |
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| 04:23:14 | Tarvis | alright |
| 04:23:19 | Tarvis | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=iriverh300 BoxAmp if you want to see it |
| 04:23:33 | JdGordon | you can link to individual themes now also |
| 04:23:43 | Llorean | So now we need a script that checks the MD5sum of fonts against those in the fontpack and rejects them, so people don't bypass it by renaming so that they can ignore the guidelines? |
| 04:24:02 | Tarvis | SO is the font pack forces on end users then? |
| 04:24:04 | Llorean | Isn't the fontpack included in a "complete install" via the util anyway? |
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| 04:24:10 | JdGordon | yes |
| 04:24:11 | Tarvis | Why idn't it just included right off the bat? |
| 04:24:17 | Tarvis | forced* |
| 04:24:25 | JdGordon | so the rockbox.zip isnt so big |
| 04:24:27 | Llorean | Tarvis: It's included in the initial "complete" install. Update installs don't include it so that the download is faster/smaller. |
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| 04:24:31 | Tarvis | It would be common knowledge to have the font pack, I agree |
| 04:24:42 | Tarvis | However, common knowledge is not so collon :( |
| 04:24:44 | Tarvis | common* |
| 04:24:58 | Llorean | People only don't have the font pack if they explicitly decide to do an incomplete install without ever doing a complete one. |
| 04:24:59 | Tarvis | I'll change the whole renamed-font for the next update though |
| 04:25:25 | bob84 | who can i ask for an ipod, cue sheet and flac related question? |
| 04:25:40 | S_a_i_n_t | or for people who install manually, as it's "l33t" to do so. |
| 04:25:40 | Llorean | bob84: Is the question about something that happens in Rockbox? |
| 04:25:44 | Tarvis | I also notiAlright, I'm reuploading now |
| 04:25:48 | bob84 | yes |
| 04:25:52 | Llorean | Then yes, you can ask. |
| 04:26:19 | S_a_i_n_t | When I was getting 10+ emails a day about why my theme didn't work, even with a link to the fontpack, I added the font out of frustration. |
| 04:26:30 | S_a_i_n_t | the problem is we can't include a link in the comments |
| 04:26:55 | Tarvis | Maybe you can have the skin site show a red note saying the theme requires the skin pack? |
| 04:27:06 | S_a_i_n_t | well, you can add the link, but users need to cut & paste...and evidently the don't bother. |
| 04:27:13 | Tarvis | Under the works with current build/release/whatever part |
| 04:27:31 | S_a_i_n_t | *they |
| 04:28:04 | Tarvis | Downloaded 1967 times |
| 04:28:05 | Tarvis | ...damn |
| 04:28:11 | Tarvis | I didn't know it was so popular |
| 04:29:10 | bob84 | is it possible that the individual tracks within a single flac specified by the cue to be individually displayed within the "database" instead of the one flac |
| 04:29:56 | Llorean | Tarvis, S_a_i_n_t: I imagine it'd be possible to automate a "requires the font pack". |
| 04:30:05 | Llorean | You'd just have to check if it sets a font and doesn't include a .fnt file. |
| 04:30:18 | Tarvis | well, it already rejects it if you do |
| 04:30:20 | Llorean | bob84: not at this time. |
| 04:30:28 | Tarvis | alright then, I'll take the .fnt out |
| 04:31:10 | bob84 | ok, thank you very much. |
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| 04:33:04 | mc2739 | funman: (logs) it appears that the ipodvideo64mb got missed in the release build process. |
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| 04:34:48 | JdGordon | Llorean: would be easy (I imagine)... I'd also like the theme listing to show what is included int he theme.. i.e wps, fms, sbs |
| 04:35:01 | JdGordon | I dont see the point of not allowing the fontpack fonts int he theme zip though |
| 04:35:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: Mostly "unifont is huge" |
| 04:35:33 | | Part bob84 |
| 04:35:36 | Llorean | It saves bandwidth, and can save a lot of bandwidth on unifont using ones. |
| 04:36:06 | Llorean | It also ensure that fonts included with the themes don't overwrite the fontpack themes and possibly break other fonts. |
| 04:36:28 | Llorean | If someone made their own limited nimbus 14 or whatever, it shouldn't overwrite ours. If it needs to be used it should have its own name. |
| 04:36:43 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:36:44 | Llorean | *possibly break other themes |
| 04:37:01 | pixelma | isn't fontpack fonts not in the zip due to "don't give people possibly outdated versions of fonts" |
| 04:37:03 | Llorean | So there's a few decent reasons. I think the "this theme requires the font pack" automatic warning with a link is probably the best way to go. |
| 04:37:21 | Tarvis | I agree |
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| 04:44:18 | NRG | again, very impressed with the work everyone has done for the sansa fuze v2 |
| 04:44:22 | NRG | its running great on mine |
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| 04:51:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Yeah, I didn't specifically add the font to my theme to piss anyone off. It was desperation really. right from the word go it included the link to the fontpack, and said it *must include fonts from the fontpack to work*...but I *still* got ~10+ emails a day telling me my theme was broken (sigh...) |
| 04:51:46 | S_a_i_n_t | If I warning gets added, or if I can add an *actual* link in the comment, I'll happily remove the font. |
| 04:51:55 | S_a_i_n_t | (s) |
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| 04:54:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Also, I mentioned last night about reorganising the themesite so that it *only* sorts by target, instead of by screen-size. It'll mean I'd have to upload a theme for both Nanos, instead of just having it get added to both magically, but it will also stop themes appearing in other targets that would *possibly* work, but may not have been specifically designed for that target. |
| 04:56:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Is that possible? The themesite is n for a bit of a shake-up soonish, so it seems like a good time to hit al the issues. |
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| 04:58:30 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: I thought it was decided that we'd rather have themes that "technically work" even if not designed for a target show up, rather than requiring multiple uploads of a many-target theme. |
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| 05:00:03 | S_a_i_n_t | It just doesn't seem right...a theme for touchscreen showing up for the Video for instance is just...wrong IMO |
| 05:00:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I uderstand the bugger-assing 'round for multiple targets though. |
| 05:04:07 | Llorean | If the theme is usable on the video, why shouldn't it be there? |
| 05:04:21 | Llorean | Just because you don't like how it looks, as long as it works properly, doesn't it belong? |
| 05:06:13 | S_a_i_n_t | well, that's the thing though..."works properly", a touchscreen designed thme may not work at all, or onle be able to access half of the feathers on a non touch target. |
| 05:06:31 | S_a_i_n_t | touchscreen/non-touchscreen has to be the best example of this not working right. |
| 05:06:43 | Llorean | "half of the feathers"? |
| 05:07:04 | S_a_i_n_t | wow...that was a nice typo \o/ |
| 05:07:13 | Llorean | A theme can't prevent the buttons from working. |
| 05:07:14 | S_a_i_n_t | "features" |
| 05:07:29 | JdGordon | a ipod vid theme on a d2 wont work, not the other way around |
| 05:07:37 | Llorean | What would be an example of a theme "not working" on a non-touchscreen device? Obviously the touch buttons don't work, but there should always be physical buttons serving the same purpose. |
| 05:07:59 | S_a_i_n_t | the opposite...as JdGordon said. |
| 05:08:04 | Tarvis | how about a non-touchscreen theme on a touchscreen target? |
| 05:08:07 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: Yes, but you were talking about D2 themes on iPod videos. |
| 05:08:21 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, and obviously the reverse is true. |
| 05:08:30 | Llorean | And I didn't dispute the obvious case. |
| 05:08:40 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: the few bad cases far outweigh needing to explicilty say which target it was desinged for |
| 05:08:42 | S_a_i_n_t | sweet, so it's just pedantism |
| 05:08:42 | Tarvis | Maybe some table could be made that the theme site could use to determine what other targets the theme should go to if it;s uploaded to one |
| 05:08:44 | Llorean | That being said, the D2 doesn't require a touchscreen theme right now |
| 05:08:48 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: No, actually it's not |
| 05:08:56 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: At the moment the D2 can be used 100% with iPod video themes |
| 05:09:08 | JdGordon | not in stylus mode |
| 05:09:10 | Llorean | So, in the current situation, what's an example of a theme not working? |
| 05:09:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: And a non-touchscreen theme won't change it to stylus mode... |
| 05:09:40 | JdGordon | yes, but they would probably set the setting to grid |
| 05:10:01 | Llorean | They should set it to grid if they don't set stylus, sure. To be safe. |
| 05:10:21 | JdGordon | My biggest request for the theme site is not loading every theme in one hit... show them in groups of 50 or so |
| 05:10:21 | Llorean | My point though is that right now there's no way for a theme to "not work" except, possibly, by way of that option. |
| 05:10:30 | Llorean | Yeah, paged browsing would be nice. |
| 05:11:00 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: And by the way, it's not pedantism. I thought you have a valid example. If you meant the other thing you should've just said so in the first place. I can't read minds and can't tell when you've typed things in the wrong order. |
| 05:11:03 | Llorean | We've covered this. |
| 05:11:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I just think it's weird...that's all. The theme author might include for example "iPod Video" somewhere in the backdrop...which although it would do no harm, would be totally foreign for the D2 |
| 05:12:07 | S_a_i_n_t | or the same with the various Clips |
| 05:12:31 | Llorean | Then people who don't like it won't download it. |
| 05:12:35 | S_a_i_n_t | per target sorting just seems to make more sense, even if it is more work. |
| 05:12:54 | Llorean | On the other hand, someone might be an apple fan and find an apple reference appealing even if they're stuck with a non-apple player (people have made zune based themes, for example) |
| 05:13:09 | Llorean | Basically the only argument right now, then, is "I don't like the aesthetics of it"? |
| 05:13:33 | S_a_i_n_t | No, I just think the way it's sorted is plain wrong. |
| 05:13:41 | Llorean | Because of aesthetics. |
| 05:13:51 | Llorean | Or do you have a reasoning beyond "it can look funny"? |
| 05:13:56 | Tarvis | well uhh |
| 05:14:01 | Tarvis | I think I'll go to bed now |
| 05:14:02 | Tarvis | See ya |
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| 05:36:01 | * | S_a_i_n_t seems to be plagues by the .sbs leaving lagacy items on the screen well after shutdown again... :/ (r26506) |
| 05:36:08 | S_a_i_n_t | *plagued |
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| 05:40:24 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: cabbie looks good now |
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| 05:41:43 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: not my doing ;) turned out to be a naming issue IIUC |
| 05:42:21 | literal | the graphical equalizer looks bad, though |
| 05:42:53 | literal | for the same reason, i.e. it crosses the blue/yellow boundary, treating it as one screen |
| 05:43:22 | S_a_i_n_t | would it fit otherwise? |
| 05:43:37 | S_a_i_n_t | just in the blue section? |
| 05:43:45 | literal | yeah, there's always some empty space in the bottom of the blue section |
| 05:43:58 | S_a_i_n_t | hmmm. |
| 05:44:00 | literal | so, just moving it down a bit, it would fit |
| 05:44:28 | literal | I'll show you a screenshot |
| 05:45:33 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure about placement of those screens. there are probably a few that do it. |
| 05:46:28 | S_a_i_n_t | it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the gap betweeb blue/yellow. |
| 05:46:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *between |
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| 05:49:13 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: http://literal.imgur.com/rockbox_graphic_equalizer_on_sansa_clip |
| 05:49:45 | literal | showing just the "Edit mode" in the yellow and keeping the equalizer and scrollbar in the blue would be much better |
| 05:51:26 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, but the way those screens are drawn...I'm not so sure it would be possible. |
| 05:51:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I agree it would look better though. |
| 05:53:22 | literal | same problem with the context menu |
| 05:53:44 | literal | the top of the menu/scrollbar stretch into the yellow screen |
| 05:54:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess it's one of those things that just happens when you take a screen designed for a completely different purpose, and make it do something else ;) |
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| 06:09:27 | JdGordon | hmm... why isnt it using the small screen draw mode on the clip? |
| 06:09:41 | JdGordon | only one bar on the screen at a time |
| 06:11:53 | saratoga | it looks like theres room for 2 bars |
| 06:25:30 | S_a_i_n_t | there's definitely room for two bars there. |
| 06:26:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Is it possible to split out the titles (like %Lt does) for screens such as that? |
| 06:26:31 | S_a_i_n_t | that'd make alignment a bit better for the Clips |
| 06:33:06 | JdGordon | yes, I think a sbs is needed for the clips |
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| 06:40:41 | JdGordon | bugger... just found a visual glitch wit the hotkey menu |
| 06:40:56 | JdGordon | if the sbs has %Lt when going from "file hotkey setting" back up one level the title doesnt change immediatly like all other menu transitions |
| 06:43:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm..*sometimes* (seems fairly random though) some screen titles can take about a second to display on my Nanos with themes using %Lt & %Li |
| 06:43:26 | S_a_i_n_t | I haven't figured out an exact recipie though |
| 06:52:58 | Dhraakellian | progress so far, with a proof-of-concept .wps: http://gitorious.org/rbmoodbar |
| 06:53:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: Did you end up lookin gat the alignment tags? |
| 06:53:48 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: not yet |
| 06:54:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll check out what you've done so far, if I have any suggestions...I'll let you know. |
| 06:54:15 | Dhraakellian | I spent the time I might've used for that in pursuit of non-hidden bitmaps |
| 06:54:37 | S_a_i_n_t | "non-hidden bitmaps"? |
| 06:55:14 | Dhraakellian | since the moodbar generation script puts a '.' in front of the .mood filenames |
| 06:55:32 | Dhraakellian | ...and, unless I'm mistaken, Rockbox won't recognize those as albumart |
| 06:55:44 | Dhraakellian | it'd be cool if it did |
| 06:56:27 | Dhraakellian | I may have half-arsed the copyright/license stuff on the .wps, but at least I tried to give some credit where credit is due |
| 06:56:35 | Dhraakellian | and such |
| 06:56:51 | Dhraakellian | and I really should be heading home before it gets much farther into morning |
| 06:57:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I must admit I haven't tried it. ".Folder.jpg" (for example) prbably gets treated as ".Folder" where .Folder is the extension. |
| 06:57:58 | Dhraakellian | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Moodbar has (links to) the stuff needed for generating the .mood files which rbmoodbar converts |
| 06:59:00 | S_a_i_n_t | pity that the viable option for doing this is via AA though, AA *and* mood would be nice. |
| 06:59:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd probably use that. |
| 06:59:13 | Dhraakellian | and oookay... now I remember why I don't like LucidLore |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:10 | Dhraakellian | I'd actually prefer something like the e200/176x220's PlainText, which is *so* much cleaner |
| 07:00:31 | S_a_i_n_t | easy enough to make your own WPS |
| 07:00:42 | S_a_i_n_t | disturbingly easy once you get the hang of it. |
| 07:01:08 | Dhraakellian | yeah, but I'd still have to figure out how to arrange everything in 4:3 instead of 3:4 and still have it readable |
| 07:01:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Better to make your own layout, than painstakingly convert someone elses to your needs. |
| 07:02:00 | Dhraakellian | probably |
| 07:02:23 | Dhraakellian | but PlainText was pretty much exactly what I'd want |
| 07:02:54 | Dhraakellian | hmm... maybe I should make a 176x220 wps for this based on PlainText |
| 07:03:07 | Dhraakellian | shouldn't be too hard to build the sim for it |
| 07:03:41 | S_a_i_n_t | there are 3.6 sims precompiled |
| 07:03:58 | Dhraakellian | linux builds? |
| 07:04:12 | Dhraakellian | last I remembered, there were only Windows builds precompiled |
| 07:04:20 | S_a_i_n_t | ah...perhaps not. though, I'm not 100% |
| 07:05:06 | S_a_i_n_t | you disply track info twice on your WPS? |
| 07:05:23 | S_a_i_n_t | oops, nope..don;t worry. |
| 07:06:08 | S_a_i_n_t | One thing though...it looks like you'll be drawing the playbar in the AA viewport |
| 07:06:15 | S_a_i_n_t | it'll need it own viewport. |
| 07:06:30 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: yeah, quick and dirty |
| 07:06:35 | S_a_i_n_t | very |
| 07:06:42 | S_a_i_n_t | ...sorry. :D |
| 07:06:51 | Dhraakellian | no worries |
| 07:06:58 | literal | there's an error in the Clip manual, it says that Select is used to exit the quickscreen, but that's false. Only the power button exits it |
| 07:07:13 | S_a_i_n_t | but yeah, from what I see the playbar will be immediately drawn over. |
| 07:08:09 | Dhraakellian | one thing I had originally considered was just using an extra thick moodbar and just drawing the progressbar over it |
| 07:08:53 | S_a_i_n_t | drawing things over things is unpredictable at best. |
| 07:09:22 | S_a_i_n_t | unless you draw in the default viewport, then specify a viewport overtop...but thats kinda ugly |
| 07:09:27 | JdGordon | it wouldnt be if people testd my patch :/ |
| 07:09:34 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 07:09:52 | Dhraakellian | hey, I'm new to this. such criticism is not unwelcome |
| 07:10:15 | JdGordon | Dhraakellian: have you got a diff from svn? |
| 07:10:19 | JdGordon | and screenshots? |
| 07:10:23 | Dhraakellian | granted, it might be (temporarily) ignored at ~1am |
| 07:10:38 | Dhraakellian | JdGordon: no actual rockbox code is used in this |
| 07:10:44 | JdGordon | oh |
| 07:11:02 | Dhraakellian | the "rb" in the name is meant to be a bit of a pun |
| 07:11:03 | literal | actually, both the Home button and the power button exit the quickscreen, but not Select like the manual says |
| 07:11:43 | JdGordon | Dhraakellian: if your utility creates an image for the track it would easily be used in the wps as the progressbar |
| 07:12:02 | Dhraakellian | JdGordon: I pretty much copied almost verbatim from amarok's codebase and did a quick-and-dirty ugly hack-up of LucidLore.wps for a proof-of-concept, but no actual rockbox code was used |
| 07:12:09 | JdGordon | without much effort at all... but only if we do the fill type |
| 07:12:13 | S_a_i_n_t | *then* you could use AA too :D |
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| 07:12:44 | Dhraakellian | JdGordon: I want to be able to see what's coming up in a few seconds as well as what already happened |
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| 07:12:53 | Dhraakellian | ...unless I'm misunderstanding you |
| 07:12:57 | JdGordon | that could be arranged :) |
| 07:13:06 | S_a_i_n_t | A wps without AA is a pretty big turnoff for me...though, this will have something pretty to look at at least ;) |
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| 07:13:32 | Dhraakellian | I'd rather have a slider than a progressbar, really |
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| 07:13:56 | JdGordon | once the new parser is in I'm going to fiddle with the progressbar stuff, I want to allow a slider type, and a mix of slider+fill |
| 07:14:07 | S_a_i_n_t | using a single bitmap to represent playbar position has been biscussed IIRC |
| 07:14:34 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, yep...straight from the horses mouth. :D |
| 07:14:43 | JdGordon | ney? |
| 07:15:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Giddyup...? |
| 07:15:26 | JdGordon | actually we should figure out the syntax before the skins change... |
| 07:15:31 | Dhraakellian | dang... PlainTextVP isn't on themes.rockbox.org |
| 07:16:27 | S_a_i_n_t | you're *really* better off starting from scratch. if you're going to re-write it anyway. |
| 07:17:15 | Dhraakellian | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsSansaE200#Plain_Text_VP |
| 07:17:46 | S_a_i_n_t | And one other thing I've noticed is that you seem to include unnecessary spaces. "%al Repeat" for example can just be "%alRepeat" etc. |
| 07:18:09 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: heh. I only changed three lines in that .wps |
| 07:18:28 | S_a_i_n_t | then, the guy that wrote it included unnecessary spaces. |
| 07:18:30 | amiconn | JdGordon: We used to have a slider mode. It was removed on purpose |
| 07:18:46 | Dhraakellian | amiconn: too hard to read at a glance? |
| 07:19:14 | Dhraakellian | and can progressbars use different graphics for each track? |
| 07:19:20 | amiconn | The conclusion was that nobody used it, so it was useless and we went for binsize saving |
| 07:19:24 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 07:19:50 | Dhraakellian | oh, another thing while I'm thinking of it |
| 07:19:53 | literal | so, why doesn't the volume control work while using plugins (e.g. blackjack) ? |
| 07:20:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: oh really? how long ago? |
| 07:20:41 | amiconn | Years... |
| 07:20:42 | Dhraakellian | I specified 218px wide to match the built-in progressbar without the rounded ends. Was this the appropriate thing to do? |
| 07:21:03 | Dhraakellian | it didn't look like it matched up quite right when I played through with the moodbar at 220px |
| 07:21:15 | Dhraakellian | ...then again, I've only tested on the sim so far |
| 07:22:40 | S_a_i_n_t | "rounded ends" are done with transparency in a progressbar usually |
| 07:22:51 | S_a_i_n_t | 255 0 255 (hot pink/magenta) |
| 07:23:05 | S_a_i_n_t | on a colour target. |
| 07:23:48 | JdGordon | I cant see any commits removing or even mentioning "slide" in the wps... |
| 07:23:50 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: yes, but does that extra pixel of border actually count as progress indicator, or is it just border? |
| 07:23:56 | JdGordon | I know there was a patch to add it |
| 07:24:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: The "border" will be a part of the backdrop |
| 07:24:42 | S_a_i_n_t | and the progressbar displayed with a viewport overtop of it. |
| 07:25:04 | S_a_i_n_t | you dig? |
| 07:25:21 | Dhraakellian | S_a_i_n_t: so basically, it doesn't matter since this is only a quick hack, and when I do it The Right Wayâ„¢, it'll all work out the way I want? |
| 07:25:41 | JdGordon | literal: which volume controls? |
| 07:25:42 | S_a_i_n_t | ...should be. |
| 07:25:52 | S_a_i_n_t | but, feel free to come back and ask questions. |
| 07:26:13 | literal | JdGordon: the volume control buttons on the Sansa Clip+ |
| 07:26:21 | literal | they do nothing while playing blackjack |
| 07:26:41 | JdGordon | because the plugins havnt been fixed to use them |
| 07:26:50 | JdGordon | button handling in plugins is painful to get right |
| 07:27:04 | Dhraakellian | yeah, it'll probably be at least Sunday before I do, given that I have work tomorrow and studying for an amateur radio license test and then the hamfest/test on Saturday followed by an RPG in the evening |
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| 07:27:27 | Dhraakellian | but that's veering off-topic |
| 07:27:43 | Dhraakellian | so I shall bid you all good night/morning before I veer even farther |
| 07:27:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Busy man, there'll be someone here that can fend off/answer questions ;) |
| 07:28:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: "r4897 | amiconn | 2004-07-20 18:46:27 +1000 (Tue, 20 Jul 2004) | 2 lines" haha ok, old enough that binsize probably mattered :) |
| 07:29:06 | amiconn | Binsize always matters |
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| 07:31:12 | literal | can plugins be written in Lua? |
| 07:31:24 | S_a_i_n_t | there's one already |
| 07:31:40 | S_a_i_n_t | "boomshine.lua" one of the games. |
| 07:31:52 | literal | cool |
| 07:37:30 | literal | is there a guide to writing plugins somewhere? |
| 07:40:21 | Dhraakellian | woah! check out today's woot |
| 07:40:47 | Dhraakellian | Sandisk 4GB Sansa Clip+ with MicroSD Slot −− $19.99 + $5 shipping |
| 07:40:58 | Dhraakellian | ...or should that be in -community? |
| 07:44:15 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah...since it's not *guaranteed* someone will but it for rockbox |
| 07:44:29 | S_a_i_n_t | though, I couldn't stomach using their OF |
| 07:44:31 | S_a_i_n_t | :P |
| 07:46:25 | Dhraakellian | well, native Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, and ReplayGain is nice |
| 07:46:37 | Dhraakellian | braindead on-the-go playlisting, not so much |
| 07:49:21 | _jhMikeS_ | Anyone find this sort of helper thing desirable for plugins? http://www.pastie.org/private/2vjvu00hixpexv1hnsbca |
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| 07:52:55 | * | S_a_i_n_t gets a 503 from that url |
| 07:54:24 | jhMikeS | this one too? http://www.pastebin.org/306493 |
| 07:54:45 | S_a_i_n_t | nope, that ones good. |
| 07:55:48 | S_a_i_n_t | What does it...y'know, like...do? |
| 07:56:01 | esperegu | I saw in the 3.6 describtion that the sansa clip is still unstable but on the table on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Port_Status almost everything is green. anybody knows what are the issues? |
| 07:57:06 | literal | works fine on my Clip+, the only issue is that it needs to boot into the original firmware to transfer files via USB |
| 07:57:22 | jhMikeS | S_a_i_n_t: makes code less annoying, where it uses core functions and greylib functions, iiow, gives it a common was of avoiding #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR rb->lcd_xxxx #else grey_xxxx #endif all over |
| 07:58:22 | literal | esperegu: use this if you're gonna try it out -> http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53702 |
| 07:58:23 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, right. I don't *think* anyone would argue with cleaner code. |
| 07:58:29 | S_a_i_n_t | jhMikeS: ^ |
| 07:58:29 | jhMikeS | everything is just "lcdh_xxxxx" |
| 07:58:53 | jhMikeS | S_a_i_n_t: I don't know. Sometimes I'm surprised at what gets argued over. :P |
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| 08:02:37 | esperegu | literal: it is not done by rockboxutility automatically? |
| 08:02:58 | literal | esperegu: probably, I haven't tried the rockbox utility |
| 08:03:08 | literal | I just unzipped those two archives to my Clip+ |
| 08:03:28 | literal | pretty simple installation |
| 08:03:56 | bieber | I've got the beginnings of a Theme Editor UI in SVN, if anyone wants to check it out and comment on the interface |
| 08:04:13 | topik | do you have a screenshot anywhere, bieber ? |
| 08:04:14 | esperegu | literal: ok. thx. think I will try the utility first |
| 08:04:25 | bieber | I'll grab one |
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| 08:06:19 | saratoga | Clip+ 4GB is on woot for $25 shipped |
| 08:07:05 | literal | Dhraakellian beat you to it |
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| 08:08:34 | bieber | topik: http://filehost.bieberphoto.com/editor.png |
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| 08:09:12 | topik | thanks bieber. that gives a good impression for sure |
| 08:09:15 | bieber | Those panels on the side can be rearranged, torn off, etc. |
| 08:09:27 | bieber | And that awkward looking grey bar is where the tool panel will be |
| 08:09:32 | Zagor | bieber: what is the purpose of the Files panel? |
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| 08:10:10 | bieber | It's going to display all the files associated with the theme. It won't be an actual file tree when I'm done, it'll look more like the view that QtCreator gives you of your project files, if you've ever seen that |
| 08:10:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:13:25 | topik | screenshots are easier for quick discussion than 'please compile and test' |
| 08:13:44 | JdGordon1 | bieber: looking good :) just remember the largest dispolay so far is 640x480 (IIRC) and that wont fit in that area |
| 08:13:48 | topik | well, for UI discussions. codecs is a bit different |
| 08:13:55 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: *why* point to a bootloader on ABI? |
| 08:14:07 | S_a_i_n_t | is the RB one not good enough for some reason? |
| 08:14:14 | bieber | topik: Duly noted. I must say, though, it's a joy to play with the draggable panels :P |
| 08:14:26 | bieber | Except I just realized that they all disappear if you minimize the window. Woops :/ |
| 08:15:13 | topik | when you minimize the window the entire windows surely dissappears |
| 08:15:21 | topik | window singular |
| 08:15:34 | bieber | JdGordon: Apparently Qt's graphics API will let me pretty easily implement a full-on image viewer in that pane, so I can have it scale or let the user zoom and pan around |
| 08:16:00 | bieber | My thought is that if I were actually using it I'd probably tear that off and stick it on my secondary monitor anyways, but it'll be flexible in any case |
| 08:16:00 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: wasn't sure if the one on rockbox.org was configured for dualbooting |
| 08:16:18 | bieber | topik: lol, I mean once you bring it back up they're gone ;) |
| 08:16:28 | literal | I also figured rockbox.org wouldn't host firmware fron SanDisk |
| 08:16:32 | literal | from* |
| 08:18:22 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: It's just a support issue...where would he go if he ran into problems? "My clip caught fire!! help!"..."did you use our bootloader..?"..."no"..."well, then etc. etc." |
| 08:18:32 | bieber | Also, holy crap, what DAP has a 640x480 screen? |
| 08:18:46 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: ok |
| 08:19:55 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: the mini2440 |
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| 08:20:58 | bieber | Interesting |
| 08:21:12 | S_a_i_n_t | though, "mini" doesn't really seem to fit it ;) Less of a DAP, more of a PC kludged into a little box :P |
| 08:21:33 | JdGordon1 | mr500 has that big screen also |
| 08:21:42 | JdGordon1 | bieber: all those panels are movable? |
| 08:22:00 | bieber | Movable and resizable, yes |
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| 08:22:14 | bieber | You can put them in any configuration around the edges of the window, or tear them off as separate windows |
| 08:22:14 | JdGordon1 | cool |
| 08:22:31 | JdGordon1 | funman: no, I didnt do a dump, do you want one? |
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| 08:23:00 | funman | JdGordon1: for ranma i think he needs it to boot OF |
| 08:23:17 | funman | just do dd if=/dev/sdx bs=512 count=$((0xf000)) |
| 08:23:31 | JdGordon | in rec mode? or is now ok? |
| 08:23:37 | JdGordon | rec mode needs to wait till tomrow night |
| 08:24:11 | literal | funman: that sound quality issue I had is hard to pin down because it doesn't appear right away. I bisected and tried a bunch of versions and they all sounded fine. Then I went back to the latest one and it sounded fine until sometime later. I just switched to latest svn and am gonna take a snapshot of .rockbox when I encounter the issue again |
| 08:25:01 | literal | When I actually hit the issue, it's persistent. I.e. if I reboot into the OF I get good sound, but when I go back to Rockbox I get the bad sound again. |
| 08:25:03 | funman | literal: try to wait until the screen is off : it causes some noise |
| 08:25:16 | saratoga | better yet, run RMAA once it starts acting up |
| 08:25:41 | funman | bins.pl ipodvideo64mb is broken |
| 08:27:30 | funman | C: ../tools/configure −−type=n −−target=ipodvideo64mb −−ram=-1 |
| 08:27:49 | funman | doesn't pick up 'configname' and 'ram' |
| 08:28:37 | Dhraakellian | 3.6 is the first to list FuzeV1 as stable, isn't it? |
| 08:29:28 | topik | 3.5 is |
| 08:29:59 | literal | funman: aha! I found the issue. The sound quality degrades after I set a pre-amp value for replygain, even though I use the same value (9 dB) with the OF. |
| 08:30:10 | Dhraakellian | topik: stable? |
| 08:30:59 | Dhraakellian | I thought 3.5 had it listed as unstable, but I could be misremembering |
| 08:31:03 | * | Dhraakellian shrugs |
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| 08:31:23 | topik | going by the releasenotes it seems only 'stable' ports are mentioned |
| 08:31:30 | topik | and 3.5 release notes mention fuze |
| 08:31:37 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 08:33:01 | funman | http://pastie.org/991553 <- is that good perl ? |
| 08:33:57 | literal | sure |
| 08:34:36 | literal | though I would question the calling convention in the loop header (&stablebuilds) |
| 08:34:47 | funman | thanks |
| 08:35:01 | literal | you almost always want to clal functions as just stablebuilds() instead of &stablebuilds |
| 08:35:11 | Zagor | funman: I would prefer "defined $builds{$b}{configname} ? $builds{$b}{configname} : $b;" |
| 08:35:14 | JdGordon | should that be $ram also? |
| 08:35:16 | literal | the latter disables function prototypes |
| 08:35:37 | literal | JdGordon: that's impossible to determine from just that diff |
| 08:35:50 | literal | i.e. there's no $ram variable in sight |
| 08:35:51 | funman | Zagor: can you commit a fix to trunk? |
| 08:36:12 | Zagor | can't you? |
| 08:36:40 | funman | well i don't know perl |
| 08:37:31 | Zagor | JdGordon: no, {ram} is the hash key. just like {configname}. |
| 08:37:49 | Zagor | funman: ok, I'll do it |
| 08:38:16 | funman | thanks |
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| 08:44:20 | funman | Zagor: can you put http://jones.videolan.org/~videolan/funman/rockbox-3.6/rockbox-ipodvideo64mb-3.6.zip on the download server please ? |
| 08:45:42 | literal | funman: and apparently this pre-amp quality degradation is also an issue on r26177 |
| 08:45:56 | literal | so I'm not sure what else to try |
| 08:46:19 | literal | just play the track in RMAA and report it? |
| 08:47:46 | Zagor | funman: done |
| 08:54:10 | funman | literal: if you add pre-amp isn't it normal that the sound quality may be lower? |
| 08:54:30 | literal | the sound quality is fine on the original firmware |
| 08:54:36 | literal | with the same pre-amp value |
| 08:54:56 | literal | shouldn't Rockbox be able to do the same? |
| 08:55:19 | funman | perhaps it doesn't use it i can't tell |
| 08:55:34 | literal | Doesn't use it? |
| 08:55:53 | Zagor | literal: does the OF really measure preamp in dB too? |
| 08:55:58 | literal | yep |
| 08:56:13 | literal | it even has the same values, up to 12dB |
| 08:56:37 | Zagor | I guess they have simply better clip smoothing than we do, then |
| 08:57:08 | Zagor | do you have "prevent clipping" enabled? |
| 08:57:14 | literal | let me check |
| 08:58:11 | literal | no, it was disabled, enabling it fixes the problem |
| 08:58:17 | Zagor | excellent |
| 08:59:05 | funman | literal: you have another rockbox player? |
| 08:59:16 | literal | No, just the Clip+ |
| 08:59:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26540): Theme Editor: Fixed bugs with menu signals, rearranged UI some more |
| 08:59:37 | funman | ok |
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| 09:00:52 | literal | why does clipping occur even when the volume isn't very high? |
| 09:01:26 | literal | if I turn off replaygain and compensate by increasing the volume, I get no clipping |
| 09:01:51 | literal | but replaygain with 9dB pre-amp at a lower volume setting = clipping |
| 09:02:12 | literal | without the "prevent clipping" enabled, that is |
| 09:02:34 | literal | is it just something that's unavoidable with replaygain? |
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| 09:04:52 | funman | volume is handled by the HW, so perhaps clipping happens fast when you do SW amp? |
| 09:08:45 | literal | I guess I'm just wondering if Rockbox's "replaygain + 9dB pre-amp + prevent clipping" has exactly the same effect as OF "replaygain + 9dB pregain" |
| 09:09:27 | literal | Because there is no "prevent clippin" setting in the OF, yet it doesn't cause clipping |
| 09:09:54 | gevaerts | literal: |
| 09:10:01 | gevaerts | "no setting" can mean two things |
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| 09:15:38 | B4gder | congrats on the release everyone! |
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| 09:22:11 | saratoga | literal: +9dB is extremely loud |
| 09:22:18 | saratoga | you will get clipping |
| 09:22:46 | literal | if I don't enable "prevent clipping", yeah |
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| 09:23:30 | saratoga | if you set it to +9dB and enable prevent clipping all you are doing is using peak normalization |
| 09:23:45 | saratoga | generally one uses 0 or negative numbers as the replaygain level |
| 09:23:59 | literal | I see |
| 09:24:08 | saratoga | IIRC the original replaygain spec recommended the equivalent of -6dB |
| 09:25:41 | literal | Is there a way to not show the track numbers in playlists? |
| 09:25:41 | gevaerts | literal: this is actually said in the manual :) |
| 09:25:50 | gevaerts | (the clipping bit) |
| 09:26:23 | literal | gevaerts: oh, sorry :) |
| 09:27:03 | gevaerts | "Please note that a (large) positive pre-amp setting can cause clipping, unless prevent clipping is enabled" |
| 09:27:17 | literal | yeah |
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| 12:35:44 | Rob2222 | yeeeeeeeeeehaaaa, a Rockboxed Fuze 2 :D |
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| 12:37:04 | gevaerts | The difficult one? |
| 12:37:05 | ucchan | Congratulations release 3.6! |
| 12:38:43 | Rob2222 | yes and no |
| 12:38:56 | Rob2222 | had a difficult on 04 / 2010 |
| 12:39:04 | Rob2222 | ordered a second one and got 01 / 2010 |
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| 13:05:08 | literal | is it normal to hear a faint buzzing sound when clicking menu items? |
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| 13:05:39 | literal | through the headphones, when not playing music |
| 13:06:23 | literal | interference from the CPU or whatever |
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| 13:38:22 | Barul_ | Hi |
| 13:39:18 | Barul_ | has anyone already try to put rockbox on a philips gogear 5295 ? |
| 13:39:47 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: All the Clips (and that is *all* of them) are unstable, to quote the main page "Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, less usable or has problems that limit it to advanced users" |
| 13:40:30 | literal | ok, so this is something that usually doesn't happen on more complete ports? |
| 13:40:43 | S_a_i_n_t | summary: incomplete, less usable, problems. |
| 13:41:00 | S_a_i_n_t | it's a young port. there are bound to be some things wrong with it. |
| 13:43:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Barul_: Searching the wiki doesn't get any hits...so I guess not. |
| 13:43:41 | bertrik | I use my clip daily for mp3, ogg and radio playback. It works fine for that, but possibly there are some codecs that don't work (say memory intensive ones). |
| 13:44:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Barul_: You could try checking out http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort that would be the first step. |
| 13:44:35 | Barul_ | yeah, I just see it :) |
| 13:44:41 | S_a_i_n_t | :) |
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| 14:15:13 | literal | does stuff like crossfeed and dithering have noticable effect on battery life? |
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| 14:39:50 | AlexP | literal: A bit, how much depends on player |
| 14:40:09 | AlexP | It depends if the cpu has to run faster to cope with it, and for how long |
| 14:41:33 | literal | the played I'm using is a Clip+ |
| 14:41:36 | literal | player* |
| 14:44:01 | literal | That little icon which sometimes appears in the top right corner, what does it mean? |
| 14:45:15 | Llorean | Probably flash access. |
| 14:45:30 | literal | ah, that makes sense |
| 14:53:03 | Rob2222 | can i implement a easy line or free space in a custom WPS screen that takes a little less space than a empty line? |
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| 14:55:40 | AlexP | Rob2222: Viewports |
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| 14:56:35 | AlexP | Put everything in viewports then you can position it exactly where you want |
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| 14:57:35 | AlexP | Rob2222: Viewports |
| 14:57:40 | AlexP | Put everything in viewports then you can position it exactly where you want |
| 14:59:00 | Rob2222 | hmm, ok. will try. i have a text only wps and only would like to add a horizontal separator. a line of −−−−- is good, but tooks a whole line of space |
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| 15:19:13 | Rob2222 | Alex: do you know if text runs around/below a line separator graphic (220x1 pixel) or will it just drawn below? (when i put the lin in viewport or not in viewport) |
| 15:22:23 | Rob2222 | a pity that there is no text command for a half-line of free space or just a horizontal 1px line in foreground color. wold be useful |
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| 15:22:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26543): Convert some more stuff to mylcd_ and support pgfx as well. |
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| 15:31:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Rob2222: what is it you're trying to do? |
| 15:31:26 | S_a_i_n_t | AFAIK there is no "line seperator" for text in viewports. |
| 15:32:14 | Rob2222 | i have a easy text only WPS screen and dont want to bother with BMPs. but i would like to seperate my text blocks. so i have lines filled only with "−−−−−−" |
| 15:32:44 | Rob2222 | unfortunately 4 of those "lines" take the vertical space of 4 full lines |
| 15:32:53 | S_a_i_n_t | eeeew, I bet that looks..."nice" ;) |
| 15:32:57 | Rob2222 | which is a waste of vertical space |
| 15:33:01 | S_a_i_n_t | a .bmp would be the bast bet. |
| 15:33:07 | S_a_i_n_t | *best |
| 15:33:27 | Rob2222 | i tried, always when i intergate a BMP he wont show my WPS .... |
| 15:33:37 | Rob2222 | but i dont used viewports yet |
| 15:34:22 | S_a_i_n_t | that will be why, you'll have viewports overtop of a .bmp which you're trying to draw in the "default viewport" (fullscreen) |
| 15:34:25 | Rob2222 | the question is when i integrade a 2 pix bmp line ... does RB sets the next line text then 2 pixel below it? |
| 15:34:47 | S_a_i_n_t | you'l need to get used to viewports, simply changing text on that WPS will mess up all the alignment |
| 15:35:01 | S_a_i_n_t | no |
| 15:35:10 | S_a_i_n_t | not it you don;t specify the viewport |
| 15:35:42 | S_a_i_n_t | if you're just drawing text, then say the text is 15 pix, the screen gets split into theoretical lines of 15px each |
| 15:36:08 | S_a_i_n_t | the only way you can align them by any margin other than the height of the text is with viewports. |
| 15:36:21 | Rob2222 | ok i understand |
| 15:36:26 | S_a_i_n_t | and you *really* should draw text/anything in a viewport anyway., |
| 15:36:49 | Rob2222 | i was happy with my ext only WPS 5 years ;) |
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| 15:36:58 | S_a_i_n_t | untill now ;) |
| 15:37:06 | Rob2222 | but ok i wanna improve it a lil bit |
| 15:37:21 | Rob2222 | yeah, the fuze has 1 line to few for me |
| 15:37:24 | Rob2222 | :D |
| 15:38:16 | Rob2222 | whan using viewports and set a 4px spacer line on top, for example, do i have to position the next text line then manually, too? |
| 15:38:22 | Rob2222 | *when |
| 15:38:26 | S_a_i_n_t | choose a smaller font? (and align with viewports :P) |
| 15:38:52 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't follow that question |
| 15:39:20 | S_a_i_n_t | when you set a viewport, text will be drawn in that viewport as it would be if the viewport were a full screen...? |
| 15:39:24 | S_a_i_n_t | do you follow? |
| 15:39:40 | S_a_i_n_t | it's like setting mini "screens" in the display |
| 15:40:40 | Rob2222 | i didnt got if complete, even if i read that part twice in the manual. lets think i wanna put 5 test lines on the screen, each one seperated by a BMP-line-spacer-grapfic |
| 15:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. if you want three lines if 15px font in a viewport, the viewport must be at least 45px in height. |
| 15:41:10 | S_a_i_n_t | s/if/of/ |
| 15:41:18 | Rob2222 | do i make then each line and each graphic as a viewport and position them under each other? |
| 15:41:47 | S_a_i_n_t | if a bitmap seperates them, then yes. |
| 15:41:55 | Rob2222 | 5 test lins = 5 text line (i have to type slower) |
| 15:42:06 | S_a_i_n_t | if you don;t expect the font to change, make the seperator part of the backdrop |
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| 15:42:27 | S_a_i_n_t | which also saves on skin buffer |
| 15:43:37 | S_a_i_n_t | and, if you display a bitmap in the viewport, you need to specify the x,y position to be displayed OF THAT VIEWPORT, not the x,y of the screen...understand? |
| 15:43:48 | Rob2222 | yeah |
| 15:44:17 | Rob2222 | and i have to set thy coordinates for each line ... phew |
| 15:44:35 | Rob2222 | btw does RB start to count from 0 or from 1 ? |
| 15:44:45 | Rob2222 | regarding pixel coordinates |
| 15:44:46 | Rob2222 | ? |
| 15:45:40 | S_a_i_n_t | 0 |
| 15:45:48 | S_a_i_n_t | 0,0 is top left |
| 15:46:25 | S_a_i_n_t | you only need to set coordinates for each line, if you're only showing a viewport of one line at a time. |
| 15:46:48 | Rob2222 | yeah ok, i can put 3 lines in a viewport |
| 15:47:00 | Rob2222 | then my seperator bmp in the next viewport |
| 15:47:07 | S_a_i_n_t | you *could* put 100...if the screen was big enough :D |
| 15:47:08 | Rob2222 | then next 3 lines in a viewport |
| 15:47:17 | S_a_i_n_t | yep, you've got it. |
| 15:47:34 | Rob2222 | thank you very much for your explanation |
| 15:47:41 | Rob2222 | i didnt got it from the manual |
| 15:48:11 | Rob2222 | and cause fuze boots to OF for USB connection (which takes a whil in both direction) testing is a little pita |
| 15:48:17 | S_a_i_n_t | but, as I said it would probably be easier for you (if you plan to use the same font all the time) to draw the seperator in the backdrop (if you use a backdrop) |
| 15:48:37 | Rob2222 | yeah i do, but i dont wanna make my font change fixed |
| 15:48:39 | Rob2222 | atm |
| 15:48:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Rob2222: First lesson: Don;t test on the device, it *IS* a PITA :D |
| 15:48:52 | S_a_i_n_t | build/download a SIM |
| 15:49:03 | S_a_i_n_t | there are 3.6 sims available now |
| 15:49:04 | Rob2222 | ah lol |
| 15:49:14 | Rob2222 | anyone for windows, too? |
| 15:49:18 | Rob2222 | *checking* |
| 15:49:23 | S_a_i_n_t | yep, they all are IIRC |
| 15:50:54 | Rob2222 | aahhh o dear is this nice |
| 15:51:18 | S_a_i_n_t | never used a sim before? |
| 15:51:19 | Rob2222 | i knew about sime but doesnt had the idea to develop the theme there |
| 15:51:22 | Rob2222 | no |
| 15:51:40 | Rob2222 | i only knew that they exists |
| 15:51:53 | Rob2222 | you didnt even need to compiöle ssth |
| 15:51:59 | S_a_i_n_t | *way* better/easier than testing on device...plug in/transfer/test/unplug/reboot/transfer/test....Aaargh! |
| 15:52:11 | Rob2222 | yeah |
| 15:52:16 | Rob2222 | WAY better |
| 15:52:56 | evilnick_B | S_a_i_n_t: Instead of unplug/reboot, can't you do unplug/(re)load theme ? |
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| 15:53:37 | S_a_i_n_t | evilnick_B: Not if your target doesn't use RB for USB...like the one in question :D |
| 15:53:42 | Rob2222 | evil: fuze has no USB on rockbox yet |
| 15:53:45 | S_a_i_n_t | but, generally speaking, yes. |
| 15:54:39 | CIA-6 | New commit by jethead71 (r26544): test_gfx preprocessing needs to be rearranged a little different so mylcd defaults to core graphics unless greylib is being tested. |
| 15:54:51 | * | evilnick_B apologises for missing the part about which target was being discussed |
| 15:56:16 | S_a_i_n_t | evilnick_B: easy to miss. |
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| 15:57:50 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: where are these 3.6 sim builds you keep talking about? |
| 15:58:06 | S_a_i_n_t | one sec... |
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| 16:01:55 | CIA-6 | New commit by bagder (r26545): devcon 2010 streaming |
| 16:02:36 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2010/ it is |
| 16:02:50 | B4gder | nothing there yet though |
| 16:02:58 | bluebroth3r | nice |
| 16:14:10 | * | S_a_i_n_t kicks himself for trusting Tarvis... |
| 16:15:54 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems some people are more than mistaken, but talk utter rubbish...I should have checked before quoting the version of the simulator. |
| 16:15:56 | S_a_i_n_t | http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1877265 |
| 16:19:32 | mc2739 | rasher does host release builds on windows sims, but the 3.6 sims haven't been posted yet. The (almost) are the closest available at the moment. |
| 16:19:42 | evilnick_B | S_a_i_n_t: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ looks like it has very up-to-date sim builds, but perhaps not specifically 3.6 |
| 16:19:56 | mc2739 | s/(almost)/(almost) daily/ |
| 16:19:59 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah...did you see that pastebin? |
| 16:20:03 | S_a_i_n_t | silly me huh? |
| 16:20:10 | S_a_i_n_t | believeing someone :P |
| 16:21:26 | rasher | I'll do some 3.6 builds at some poitn |
| 16:21:35 | S_a_i_n_t | I should have checked myself, but "also rasher's latest is from today" was enough for me. |
| 16:22:13 | mc2739 | rasher: did you notice your buildgraphs page is not working since the server move? |
| 16:22:21 | * | S_a_i_n_t now wonders how the hell that conclusion was made... |
| 16:22:32 | rasher | mc2739: I think it was earlier than that |
| 16:22:42 | S_a_i_n_t | none of the dates for the available sims are even close :/ |
| 16:25:02 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: sure they are, the only one I see that has an older date is the mini2440, and that is because the build fails |
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| 16:31:01 | S_a_i_n_t | depends what you class as "close" I guess... |
| 16:31:44 | S_a_i_n_t | I wouldn't count "2010-02-23" as being easily mistaken for todays date. |
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| 16:35:37 | mc2739 | you must not be looking at the same page I am - I see 50 with a date of 2010-06-04 and one with a date of 2010-01-16 |
| 16:36:02 | mc2739 | The 3.5 release page has the 2010-02-23 date |
| 16:36:47 | literal | do you know what keymap change he is referring to? http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475130&postcount=524 |
| 16:37:07 | literal | on the Clip+, sometime around June 2nd |
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| 16:39:37 | mc2739 | literal: probably this one: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=26396 |
| 16:41:45 | literal | that diff seems to imply that one can access the quickscreen by holding the home+select buttons? I've been wondering how to access the quickscreen in WPS, but that key combo does nothing for me on the latest rockbox |
| 16:43:37 | literal | the current manual for the Clip says that Long Home accesses the quick screen, but the only thing it actually does is to lock the buttons |
| 16:44:04 | literal | ah no, that's for the file browser |
| 16:44:29 | literal | it says that "Long Submenu" accesses the quick screen in WPS |
| 16:44:39 | literal | but it actually accesses the playlist |
| 16:45:16 | literal | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-380004 |
| 16:45:36 | literal | so, how do I access the quickscreen in WPS, then? |
| 16:46:35 | literal | "Submenu −−- Enter Main Menu" is also incorrent, a normal submenu click does nothing |
| 16:49:13 | rasher | S_a_i_n_t: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator-3.6 |
| 16:49:26 | rasher | (slowly populating it) |
| 16:49:58 | mc2739 | literal: by looking at the code, accessing the quickscreen from the wps is home+select |
| 16:50:46 | literal | mc2739: hm, I'm running r26539 and that key combo does nothing |
| 16:51:35 | mc2739 | literal: if the manual is incorrect, then please submit a bug report to the flyspray bug tracker |
| 16:52:16 | literal | in this case, it sounds like the code needs to be fixed, since there doesn't seem to be any way for me to access the quickscreen in WPS |
| 16:52:18 | mc2739 | literal: are you pressing home and select together, or home then select? |
| 16:52:28 | literal | together |
| 16:52:52 | literal | "home, then select" takes me to the main menu and then back to WPS of course |
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| 16:55:31 | mc2739 | literal: I don't have a clip, but on my e200 for button combos I have to press the first button and hold it then immediately press the second button |
| 16:56:09 | literal | if I start by holding Home, it will lock the buttons |
| 16:58:38 | literal | ok, it finally worked |
| 16:58:57 | literal | it's tricky, but you have to tap them really quickly and at exactly the same time |
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| 16:59:44 | literal | or rather, like you said, tap the home button slightly earlier |
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| 17:00:30 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: That *may* (or perhaps not) be able to be changed...hotkey for iPod used to be like that, and it was a nightmare. (have to tap both buttons simultaneosly) |
| 17:00:44 | S_a_i_n_t | but the keymaps are pretty crowded for some targets. |
| 17:01:09 | mc2739 | I'm glad you got it to work. It is unfortunate that combos are necessary, but the lack of buttons on some targets make it a requirement |
| 17:01:14 | B4gder | http://lwn.net/Articles/391018/rss <= LWN mentions Rockbox 3.6 |
| 17:01:53 | literal | are two Long combos possible? in this case, Long Home + Long Select would be much easier to do |
| 17:02:41 | mc2739 | devcon stream is live! |
| 17:03:03 | S_a_i_n_t | no idea, generally speaking for two button combos I think it works much better if it's "push and hold this, then push that" |
| 17:04:05 | S_a_i_n_t | but, long and short can be two completely seperate things...and I have no idea about the keymap in question. |
| 17:04:41 | S_a_i_n_t | some need gaurding etc. working out a keymap that works for everything is a work of art. |
| 17:05:52 | S_a_i_n_t | things like the iPods, where there is really only 5 buttons...*nightmare* |
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| 17:07:07 | literal | dfkt's comments about the keymap change make a lot of sense |
| 17:07:19 | literal | I just tried a build of rockbox with the older keymap |
| 17:07:32 | literal | where Long Home shows the quickscreen |
| 17:07:52 | mc2739 | it just depends on which you use most - hold or quickscreen |
| 17:08:02 | literal | makes sense to only need one finger to access the quickscreen and two to lock/unlock |
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| 17:09:37 | literal | mc2739: if it were quickhold vs quickscreen then it would be a fair fight :) |
| 17:09:40 | borges | hello there, can anyone tell me just how usable the ipod nano 2nd generation port is? |
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| 17:10:32 | S_a_i_n_t | borges: Very. |
| 17:10:37 | S_a_i_n_t | I use it every day. |
| 17:10:48 | S_a_i_n_t | (without issue) |
| 17:11:09 | borges | sounds great |
| 17:11:21 | borges | the wiki page seems a bit outdated |
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| 17:12:00 | S_a_i_n_t | there are still quite a few things missing in the port, but it's very usable. |
| 17:12:15 | S_a_i_n_t | there's no FM, recording, HID... |
| 17:12:27 | tmzt | apple hardware doesn't have FM |
| 17:12:59 | S_a_i_n_t | tmtz: ever heard of an fm reciever? |
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| 17:13:14 | tmzt | the external one? |
| 17:13:30 | S_a_i_n_t | of course. |
| 17:13:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano1g has FM, and most other iPod ports. |
| 17:13:57 | hideki | http://fukumoto-tech.serveblog.net/wordpress/?p=74 |
| 17:14:11 | B4gder | hideki: go spam somewhere else please |
| 17:17:26 | borges | but audio generally works? all rockbox codecs? |
| 17:17:35 | S_a_i_n_t | yes |
| 17:17:51 | S_a_i_n_t | It is my "everyday" rockbox device |
| 17:18:22 | borges | great, thanks |
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| 17:28:02 | literal | what effect does the "Directory cache" setting have? it's not in the manual |
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| 17:28:30 | evilnick_B | It speeds up browsing through the file tree as it caches the directory names and contents |
| 17:28:56 | mc2739 | it is mainly for disk based devices, but does seem to help some on flash devices |
| 17:29:05 | literal | so if I only use the Database browser, it's not relevant? |
| 17:29:33 | mc2739 | not true |
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| 17:30:12 | mc2739 | all file access requires browsing the directory tree |
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| 17:31:19 | literal | but not if you use the "Load to RAM" option for the database, right? |
| 17:32:37 | n1s | updatesz of the database are faster with dircache |
| 17:32:40 | n1s | s/z// |
| 17:33:57 | n1s | also it is in the manaual |
| 17:34:03 | n1s | manual |
| 17:34:36 | literal | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1350008.5 |
| 17:34:44 | literal | nothing there about Directory caching |
| 17:35:03 | n1s | ah, not for the clip it seems |
| 17:35:10 | mc2739 | I think it is disabled on clip but not clip+ |
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| 17:35:35 | n1s | it would be pretty bad to use it on the clip since it has so little ram |
| 17:35:41 | literal | oh damn, I didn't realize there was a separate manual for the Clip+ |
| 17:36:02 | literal | the Clip+ manual has info about the dir cache |
| 17:46:51 | S_a_i_n_t | is there a "hard reset" equivalent for the Fuze? |
| 17:50:50 | Rob2222 | yeah, i just "blackscreened" my fuze2 while connecting it to PC from rockbox (this worked well 10 times before) |
| 17:50:55 | Rob2222 | now nothing happens |
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| 17:51:25 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.ehow.com/how_5771524_reset-sansa-fuze.html |
| 17:51:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Rob2222: ^^^ |
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| 17:52:31 | Rob2222 | well soft reset doesnt help |
| 17:52:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmm, actually...that seems to be if the player is already on...? |
| 17:52:37 | Rob2222 | even if i hold power for 30 secs |
| 17:52:43 | Rob2222 | yep |
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| 17:52:47 | Rob2222 | lol :) |
| 17:52:54 | S_a_i_n_t | its on right? just with a black screen? |
| 17:53:11 | Rob2222 | i heat a crack when plug in the phone |
| 17:53:14 | Rob2222 | so i think its on |
| 17:53:18 | Rob2222 | but screen is off |
| 17:53:29 | Rob2222 | i fear i have to wait for the battery to become empty :( |
| 17:53:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Aaargh. |
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| 18:08:36 | Rob2222 | hmm, a pity |
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| 18:23:43 | evilnick_B | Should the webcam feed be added to the topic? |
| 18:24:09 | S_a_i_n_t | "...meh" |
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| 18:27:35 | * | amiconn_ waves from devcon |
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| 18:44:13 | Rob2222 | is devcon tweekend? |
| 18:44:35 | Rob2222 | this |
| 18:45:01 | petur | yes |
| 18:45:10 | Rob2222 | ah ok |
| 18:45:30 | Rob2222 | amiconn: does funman comes to devcon, too? |
| 18:46:22 | pixelma_ | JdGordon: around? |
| 18:47:50 | gevaerts | Rob2222: yes |
| 18:48:23 | Rob2222 | hope he comes online. maybe he has a hint how to realive my fuze2 |
| 18:48:36 | Rob2222 | but i fear i have to wait until battery is empty |
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| 18:55:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Rob2222: If all you did was mess up some WPS code, and it didn't like it...waiting for the battery to run down will *probably* work. |
| 18:56:08 | Rob2222 | no it wasnt the WPS |
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| 18:56:16 | Rob2222 | it happend while connecting to PC |
| 18:56:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Otherwise, I don't think there's an unbricking method that doesn't involve opening the unit up, though, I am most welcome to be corrected. |
| 18:56:28 | Rob2222 | this shuts down RB and fires up OF |
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| 18:56:59 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Unbricking might help...(but, I haven't lokked) |
| 18:57:25 | Rob2222 | saint: yeah thx, i know that. but i think let run down the battery will help |
| 18:57:30 | Rob2222 | but this means 1 day wait |
| 18:57:31 | Rob2222 | :( |
| 18:57:49 | n1s | can't you open it and disconnect the battery? |
| 18:57:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, better to wait forst, in case it magically fixes itself. |
| 18:58:18 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s: Yes, yes I believe you can. |
| 18:58:27 | S_a_i_n_t | though, that still involves some soldering. |
| 18:58:27 | Rob2222 | n1s: i could but thats a brand new unit with 2 years warranty ... i just dont want |
| 18:58:41 | S_a_i_n_t | or, dodgy reconnecting of wires. |
| 18:58:52 | Rob2222 | soldering wouldnt be the problem |
| 18:58:57 | Rob2222 | i just do not want to open |
| 18:59:12 | S_a_i_n_t | is there actually a tamper seal? |
| 18:59:17 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: or a real quick ghetto short circuit :) |
| 18:59:30 | S_a_i_n_t | ( S_a_i_n_t doesn't know ) |
| 18:59:37 | Rob2222 | no theres no seal |
| 18:59:44 | S_a_i_n_t | could they *prove* you opened it? |
| 18:59:56 | S_a_i_n_t | (not to put ideas in your head) |
| 18:59:58 | Rob2222 | i think you will see it on the edges |
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| 19:00:10 | Rob2222 | that it was opened |
| 19:00:18 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, right...cheap plastic case. |
| 19:00:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Guitar picks work well. |
| 19:00:39 | Rob2222 | well i will wait |
| 19:00:56 | Rob2222 | i just thought maybe funman has a key combination that maybe works |
| 19:00:57 | n1s | that's what i love about the old irivers and the gigabeast, real cases with screws |
| 19:01:07 | n1s | try em all? |
| 19:01:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Rob2222: I don't think there is one |
| 19:01:22 | Rob2222 | i tried HOME+SWITCHON |
| 19:01:31 | Rob2222 | and SWITCHON for a minute |
| 19:05:15 | Luca_S | there's no known recovery key combo |
| 19:05:19 | Luca_S | for the fuzev2 |
| 19:05:40 | Luca_S | your best bet is to press the power button for about 10 seconds to trigger hardware shutdown |
| 19:05:41 | n1s | that's stupid |
| 19:06:06 | Rob2222 | that doesnt helped |
| 19:06:10 | Rob2222 | hasnt |
| 19:06:14 | Rob2222 | damn english |
| 19:06:16 | Rob2222 | ^^ |
| 19:06:19 | Rob2222 | nu success |
| 19:06:35 | Rob2222 | well i have to wait then |
| 19:06:57 | literal | is there an easier way to translate rockbox other than editing the lang files by hand? |
| 19:07:02 | Luca_S | don't worry, not a native speaker here too. if that didn't work, you'll have to wait for the battery to empty, and in the worst scenario you'll have to open it carefully (it's not that easy to reassemble) |
| 19:07:28 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: there's a site for that... |
| 19:07:50 | literal | ah, translate.rockbox.org |
| 19:07:58 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 19:08:30 | S_a_i_n_t | though, that's for ofical translation...not if you're just messing with your own build IIUC |
| 19:08:47 | S_a_i_n_t | *official translations |
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| 19:08:55 | literal | it's an official translation which I had in mind |
| 19:09:11 | S_a_i_n_t | well, there 'ya go then :D |
| 19:09:34 | literal | hm, no login necessary? |
| 19:09:46 | remur_030 | hey everybody, congratulations to the new release and thanks alot for all your work, rockbox is what makes my sansa beat everything else out there hands down |
| 19:09:56 | AlexP | literal: Nope, just have fun :) |
| 19:10:05 | Luca_S | literal: it produces a patch file that has to be posted on the tracker AFAIK |
| 19:10:09 | literal | ah |
| 19:10:17 | S_a_i_n_t | and don't make it say "bums" or something :P |
| 19:10:26 | literal | I'll keep that in mind |
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| 19:12:21 | n1s | literal: it hands you a patch against svn when you're done so you need to get that approved |
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| 19:20:24 | literal | I'm not sure I understand... some of the strings that are missing in the web interface are not missing in the actual .lang file |
| 19:21:09 | literal | http://translate.rockbox.org/edit.php?lang=islenska |
| 19:21:15 | literal | LANG_AUTOVOL, for example |
| 19:21:24 | literal | it's present and translated in islenska.lang |
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| 19:21:38 | literal | so why is it empty on translate.rockbox.org ? |
| 19:22:38 | n1s | "The <source> section differs from the english!" |
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| 19:23:33 | n1s | the string is not missing but the "feature" which decides if it's incuded is, it was previoulsy included for "*" but is now not, only for "masf" |
| 19:23:34 | pixelma_ | literal: looks like islenska doesn't have those features of langv2 yet |
| 19:23:54 | pixelma_ | damn... lost against n1s ;) |
| 19:24:06 | n1s | \o/ |
| 19:24:13 | literal | how can this be fixed, then? |
| 19:24:29 | n1s | that kind of editing is easier to do in the lang file directly with an editor |
| 19:24:38 | n1s | , see the english.lang file |
| 19:25:01 | literal | ah, I see |
| 19:25:33 | n1s | the <source> section should match and the <dest> sections should almost always match the feature selection thingies from <source> |
| 19:26:17 | n1s | i wonder if we could make this smarter somehow without sacrificing efiiciency |
| 19:26:24 | n1s | s/ii/i/ |
| 19:27:36 | n1s | that reminds me, i promised to get a lang cleanup under way |
| 19:27:49 | n1s | wonder where my notes on that have gone |
| 19:29:20 | literal | what does "masf" stand for? |
| 19:29:23 | pixelma_ | I remember that it took quite a while when doing the change manually (to deutsch.lang) |
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| 19:30:20 | pixelma_ | literal: those are the feature names which control whether a language string is included in a target specific lang file |
| 19:30:26 | n1s | literal: it's a hardware mp3 decoder, the players that use that chip, have the "masf" featuer |
| 19:30:38 | literal | ok |
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| 19:31:25 | pixelma_ | and so it only appears in those targets' language files |
| 19:32:32 | * | n1s wishes langtool had a "delete" feature |
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| 19:35:24 | bluebroth3r | n1s: add it ;-) |
| 19:35:45 | n1s | bluebroth3r: i think i'll try, just need to overcome my fear of perl |
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| 19:37:00 | bluebroth3r | did a bit of perl the last days at work. Wasn't too bad (but fortunately I hadn't to start with already-existing code :) |
| 19:42:10 | Bagder | maybe http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2010/ should go into the topic during this weekend |
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| 19:55:29 | ender` | <bluebroth3r> did a bit of perl the last days at work. Wasn't too bad (but fortunately I hadn't to start with already-existing code :) <- you mean you haven't encountered code like this yet: $n=63;$y=$n;{$_=" "x$y;for$x(0..$n-$y){$_.=($x&$y?__:XX)}print"$_\n";$y−−&&redo} |
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| 19:55:59 | Luca_S | ahhh perl... the best example of a write-only language... :) |
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| 20:06:01 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26548): pdbox: The values on of widgets are reset on start now. |
| 20:06:51 | Parsi | how ca i get tts engine? |
| 20:06:56 | Parsi | for nano 2nd g |
| 20:07:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26549): pdbox: Reduced (visible) precision of numbers shown in the GUI. |
| 20:09:12 | n1s | omg, my perl hack almost works |
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| 20:21:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26550): pdbox: Added Coldfire multiplication optimization by Buschel. |
| 20:22:25 | n1s | aha |
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| 20:26:02 | n1s | this will be a lot trickier than i thought of course |
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| 20:26:51 | n1s | any perl wizards around that want to help out? :: |
| 20:27:07 | n1s | eh s/::/:)/ |
| 20:27:54 | Zagor | n1s: what's the problem? |
| 20:28:16 | * | Zagor puts on his cape |
| 20:29:28 | n1s | i'm trying to hack in a delete feature into langtool to easily delete phrases from all .langs at once. But it handles phrases a line at a time and doesn't parse the id until the second line so i don't know which id i'm at untill the first line of the phrase, <phrase> is already printed. |
| 20:30:26 | Zagor | buffer it? |
| 20:30:52 | n1s | yes, i suppose i could i'm really bad at perl, that's all :/ |
| 20:30:53 | GodEater | wizards need hats as well as capes |
| 20:31:02 | n1s | and staves |
| 20:36:21 | n1s | hmm, that worked for my trivial testcase but not quite so well for a whole lang file... |
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| 20:37:57 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26551): pdbox: Corrected inclusion of m_fixed.h . |
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| 20:54:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26552): pdbox: Fixing yellows. |
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| 21:03:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r26553): New 35 pixels hight font: 35-Nimbus (FS #11271) |
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| 21:33:06 | kio | I have a corrumpted dir on my player (sansa), when plugin to a nt system, that dir propety indicates a 45G directory, I tried to remove it both under linux an NT |
| 21:33:13 | kio | how do I remove that dir? |
| 21:33:27 | Torne | chkdsk, or fsck.vfat |
| 21:33:52 | kio | Torne, fsck.vfat -d <dirname> ? |
| 21:34:56 | Torne | no, just fsck the whole filesystem |
| 21:35:05 | Torne | if the filesystem is corrupt, fi it :) |
| 21:35:11 | kenguest | +1 |
| 21:35:13 | kenguest | ;-) |
| 21:35:21 | Torne | just deleting the directory wouldn't necessarily fix the fs even if you could do it |
| 21:37:13 | kio | ok thanks. |
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| 21:43:21 | n1s | FS #11352 is my langtool patch if anyone would care to take a look |
| 21:45:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r26554): Make the 8 in 35-Nimbus slightly more balanced |
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| 22:11:20 | webguest53 | I installed rockbox on my Sansa Sandisk e250. Help. Now when I turn on the device it is stuck with the rockbox logo on the top of the screen -at the bottom in little letters Boot Ver. 6. I can't do anything with the device now. |
| 22:11:59 | webguest53 | Please help me with this |
| 22:13:21 | tmzt | your missing some files |
| 22:13:23 | tmzt | in .rockbox |
| 22:13:26 | tmzt | just reinstall it |
| 22:14:00 | tmzt | maybe somebody with more experience can help if that doesn't work |
| 22:14:34 | webguest53 | It worked for a while and then it froze. I should really just re-install? |
| 22:14:40 | n1s | webguest53: the manual tells you how to start the Original Firmware on the device, do so and check that you completed the installation correctly |
| 22:14:59 | n1s | webguest53: ah it did work at one point? |
| 22:15:21 | webguest53 | Yes it sure did work - and then it stopped. |
| 22:15:43 | n1s | if you press and hold power for ~20 seconds it should power off IIRC |
| 22:16:11 | webguest53 | It turns off, but when I turn it back on, it just returns to the same screen. |
| 22:16:38 | n1s | then start the OF and check the filesystem |
| 22:17:06 | webguest53 | OF - what is that? and how do I check the filesystem? |
| 22:17:20 | n1s | <n1s> webguest53: the manual tells you how to start the Original Firmware on the device |
| 22:17:20 | S_a_i_n_t | OF == original firmware |
| 22:17:27 | S_a_i_n_t | The Sansa firmware |
| 22:17:41 | n1s | use fsck or chkdisk or whatever you computer's OS has |
| 22:18:46 | webguest53 | I am able to turn on the original firmware, but none of the music appears. Even though it shows that there is nearly no memory left - I just can't find the music. And the computer's OS does not show the device existing. |
| 22:21:20 | webguest53 | No drive for the device appears...in the os |
| 22:21:44 | n1s | does it recognize the device at all? |
| 22:22:08 | webguest53 | not at all! |
| 22:23:15 | n1s | i'm sorry i don't know what to do then, maybe someone else aprund here does? |
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| 22:25:45 | literal | So, I have a patch which fixes all errors in islenska.lang. Should I submit it to the tracker? |
| 22:26:16 | n1s | literal: please do |
| 22:27:20 | literal | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11353 |
| 22:27:59 | n1s | literal: does it do any translation changes? |
| 22:28:24 | literal | Just a few that I noticed while fixing the errors |
| 22:29:05 | literal | I'll look over the translation some more now that I've fixed the errors |
| 22:29:20 | literal | And maybe start adding the missing strings |
| 22:29:29 | n1s | umm, it seems you didn't attach the file |
| 22:29:33 | literal | Hm |
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| 22:30:13 | literal | Look now |
| 22:34:13 | n1s | yes, i'll commit it |
| 22:34:20 | kio | Torne, it asked for first or second fat? which? |
| 22:39:02 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26555): FS #11353 - Fix all errors in islenska.lang by Hinrik Örn Sigurðsson |
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| 22:40:50 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26556): Implement a −−delete option for langtoo for easy deletion of lang phrases |
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| 23:05:02 | Buschel | wincent: regarding FS #11348, you shouldn't submit if there are failures (crackles) in the patch I have put to flyspray for testing. now we better either fix it or undo this submit |
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| 23:07:21 | DomasoFan | good evening |
| 23:08:23 | bertrik | evening |
| 23:10:01 | DomasoFan | can someone compile me mkamsboot from svn for win32? i tried to compile it under cygwin but that seems not to work. |
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| 23:12:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26557): Port greylib blitting optimisation to clipv1. |
| 23:13:11 | Bagder | now, how many commits can you accomplish during devcon? |
| 23:13:14 | Bagder | any bets? ;-) |
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| 23:17:47 | n1s | hmm, the strings for LANG_ID3_FREQUENCY and LANG_RECORDING_FREQUENCY are *identical* for all translations except french and korean |
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| 23:19:02 | amiconn | n1s: Did you notice the yellow? |
| 23:20:01 | n1s | ah, no |
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| 23:21:43 | n1s | genlang on my system was happy |
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| 23:22:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by domonoky (r26558): rbutil: Make TTS and encoders run on all cores \n FS #11160 by Delyan Kratunov |
| 23:24:24 | n1s | meh, those two strings are unused anyway and i was going to delete tham in my lang cleanup, will just have to deprecate them now then. |
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| 23:26:33 | petur | n1s: or translate them for now |
| 23:27:03 | n1s | petur: yes, i think i'll do that, less syncing to do |
| 23:27:09 | Buschel | wincent: you there? |
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| 23:29:17 | DomasoFan | if someone has a answer for my mkamsboot question please mail me at simon.eigeldinger@vol.at. it would be very appreciated. can't compile mkamsboot from svn via cygwin maybe someone can compile me a copy and send it via mail? or telling me how i can do it via cygwin. thanks. |
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| 23:30:32 | wincent | Buschel: Since a half a minute. I'll remove the optimization from the repository. |
| 23:30:50 | Buschel | wincent: wait a sec |
| 23:31:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26559): Revert a small part of r26555 to fix yellow, these strings are unused and will be deleted in a larger lang cleanup patch soon. |
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| 23:31:48 | Buschel | wincent: can you give this a try? -> http://www.pastebin.org/307568 |
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| 23:32:15 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26560): pdbox: Reverted premature commit of Coldfire optimization. |
| 23:32:15 | pastir_Ciff | hi davaiba |
| 23:32:17 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:32:17 | Davaiba | HELLO ROCK BOYS ! |
| 23:32:23 | pastir_Ciff | helloo all |
| 23:32:24 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:32:37 | Davaiba | HM, IT SEEMS EMPTY?! |
| 23:32:49 | Bagder | Davaiba: your caps key seems to have stuck |
| 23:32:55 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:32:56 | pastir_Ciff | oops |
| 23:32:57 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:33:04 | pastir_Ciff | the big boss is here |
| 23:33:06 | pastir_Ciff | ;) |
| 23:33:24 | Davaiba | i tez li imat admini we |
| 23:33:26 | Davaiba | da gi iba |
| 23:33:27 | Davaiba | :D |
| 23:33:32 | pastir_Ciff | da gi eba |
| 23:33:33 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:33:35 | pastir_Ciff | hahhaa |
| 23:33:36 | Davaiba | I am DAVAIBA ! |
| 23:33:38 | Davaiba | :D |
| 23:33:48 | pastir_Ciff | i am Ciff |
| 23:33:49 | pastir_Ciff | :) |
| 23:33:53 | pastir_Ciff | :} |
| 23:33:55 | Bagder | and please stop this |
| 23:33:57 | krazykit | guys, this is an on-topic channel. could you take the chatter elsewhere? |
| 23:34:01 | Bagder | we talk Rockbox here |
| 23:34:49 | Davaiba | I want to chat on topic alsoo |
| 23:34:54 | Davaiba | what is Rockbox? |
| 23:35:01 | pastir_Ciff | úåñ âõàò èñ èò? |
| 23:35:07 | pastir_Ciff | yes what is it? |
| 23:35:11 | Davaiba | rock juke box? |
| 23:35:15 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:35:34 | Bagder | there will be no further warnings |
| 23:35:54 | Davaiba | whagt? |
| 23:36:25 | DomasoFan | if someone is interested: i build german and english rockbox voice files on my server quite regularly. they are in good quality and they are made with eSpeak. check them out at http://eigeldinger.dyndns.org:81/rockbox/ |
| 23:36:33 | Davaiba | nobody is chatting here,so what is the problem? |
| 23:36:42 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@95-42-107-164.btc-net.bg" by Bagder (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:38:13 | Kick | (#rockbox Davaiba :Davaiba) by Bagder!~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:39:20 | * | S_a_i_n_t nods |
| 23:39:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks Bagder |
| 23:39:47 | * | pastir_Ciff thinks Bagder is so ugly, they make Michael Jackson look good! |
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| 23:39:55 | Mode | "#rockbox +b pastir_Ciff!*@*" by Bagder (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:40:03 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:40:07 | S_a_i_n_t | hehehe |
| 23:40:35 | Mode | "#rockbox -b pastir_Ciff!*@*" by Bagder (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:41:00 | S_a_i_n_t | ? |
| 23:41:10 | Bagder | useless ban |
| 23:41:33 | funman | amiconn: /tools/configure adds -Os to sh builds only when using a patched *gcc*, sorry for the noise |
| 23:41:44 | amiconn | Ah yes |
| 23:42:14 | amiconn | That is necessary - unpatched gcc will potentially create crashing binaries with -Os |
| 23:43:04 | amiconn | The problem is in switch() jumptable creation. The patch fixes that |
| 23:43:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by domonoky (r26561): rbutil: add mpio hd200 as disabled target (all untested) |
| 23:43:24 | funman | the first hunk, right? |
| 23:44:14 | wincent | Buschel: Tried your new optimization, seems like it is constantly overflowing (loud buzz with somewhat silent wanted 220 Hz). |
| 23:44:30 | Buschel | wincent: :/ |
| 23:45:08 | n1s | wincent: you didn't set the macsr, that might cause the emac to operate in the wrong mode |
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| 23:45:32 | Buschel | wincent: I better drop my plans to further work on this stuff... |
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| 23:47:42 | wincent | Buschel: Ok. |
| 23:48:56 | Buschel | wincent: btw, any idea why pcsim under cygwin does not build? |
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| 23:51:08 | Zagor | under what criteria is the Quick Start actions of rbutil grayed out? it doesn't make any sense to me. |
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| 23:53:13 | wincent | Buschel: I such cases I always do 'make clean'. |
| 23:53:20 | amiconn | Unrelated red again |
| 23:53:53 | wincent | Buschel: It seems that m_fixed.h was included with #include<>, so it did not go into the dependencies list. |
| 23:54:43 | Buschel | wincent: here we go (will take 10min) |
| 23:54:43 | n1s | how does the use of translated lang strings work in the wps? |
| 23:55:40 | amiconn | Seems like greylib flicker on the clip can't be reduced without *significant* reduction of shades :\ |
| 23:56:22 | amiconn | 3 shades works okay, but just 5 shades are already flickering almost as much as the full 129 |
| 23:58:08 | Domonoky1 | Zagor: two criterias: either no release for this target available, or no info from the server till now. |
| 23:58:31 | amiconn | Likewise, leaving out the random init doesn't help - it causes whole areas to flicker synchronously (until display content changes adds enough randomness) |
| 23:58:51 | Zagor | Domonoky1: duh, right. this is an unstable port. thanks. |
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