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| 00:01:26 | n1s | sigh, we have several strings that are the same in english.lang and translated to the same thing in the majority of languages but differs in one or a few... |
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| 00:09:14 | Bagder | "Flyspray contains 460 open patches" is just insane |
| 00:09:21 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Bagder" by Bagder (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 00:10:15 | n1s | yes, yes it is |
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| 00:11:50 | bluebroth3r | isn't it a good time to start sorting them out? I bet quite a lot are outdated |
| 00:12:07 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders about the percentage of those patches that actually stand a chance of being committed. |
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| 00:12:58 | n1s | bluebroth3r: maybe but since i don't know these languages it's hard to know, i could post it to the ML if i find enough cases i suppose |
| 00:13:16 | n1s | or maybe that wasn't directed at me :) |
| 00:13:28 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: 17.3% |
| 00:13:52 | bluebroth3r | n1s: I was referring to the number of open patches in FS :) |
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| 00:56:28 | Astroe | Hey, can anyone help me out? I'm having some trouble with an install here. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and trying to install rockbox onto a sansa v2. |
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| 01:00:28 | Buschel | wincent: sorry for the late feedback -> pcsim on cygwin works now |
| 01:01:39 | wincent | Buschel: I supposed it should. I had problems with dependencies in pdbox earlier;gevaerts helped me. |
| 01:02:56 | Buschel | wincent: great, I've learned from the fix as well :o) |
| 01:03:04 | Domonoky1 | Astroe: we can only help if you ask a question... :-) |
| 01:04:15 | Astroe | Well I've been following the directions rockbox has but when I get to the part where I need the terminal it always finds some error message to spit at me. |
| 01:04:43 | Astroe | This time is was telling me there is no such file or directory when I tried to run the mkamsboot. |
| 01:06:18 | tmzt | how did you try to run it? |
| 01:07:37 | Astroe | I've tried to run /mkamsboot and ./mkamsboot |
| 01:07:50 | Astroe | from the folder it was in |
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| 01:08:27 | tmzt | ./mkamsboot should work |
| 01:08:41 | tmzt | what is the begining part of the error message? bash: or mksamsboot: |
| 01:08:51 | wincent | Buschel: Do you intend to try further optimizations or can I close the FS task? |
| 01:09:16 | Domonoky1 | Astroe: what sansa is this ? and why dont you use Rockbox Utillity ? |
| 01:10:04 | Astroe | When I ran /mkamsboot it told me bash: there is no such file or directory and when i ran /.mkamsboot it said bash: ./mkamsboot: Permission denied |
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| 01:10:37 | Buschel | wincent: you may close it. |
| 01:10:39 | Astroe | And I can't use the utility. It's a Fuze v2, the utility doesnt support v2 yet |
| 01:11:15 | tmzt | permission denied shouldn't happen |
| 01:11:22 | tmzt | did you download this file or compile it? |
| 01:11:32 | Astroe | Downloaded it. |
| 01:11:50 | tmzt | then you need to run chmod +x mkamsboot if you trust the source |
| 01:12:35 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26562): Port greylib blitting optimisation to clipv2 and Clip+. Actual speedup can't be measured because something is fishy with the cpu clocking (calculated ... |
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| 01:13:50 | Astroe | Sweet. Thanks tmzt |
| 01:14:08 | TexasRockbox | Is the .fms code enabled for iPod 5.5g with build 3.6? |
| 01:14:16 | CIA-6 | New commit by peter (r26563): Fix some untranslated strings in the Dutch langfile |
| 01:14:37 | AlexP | TexasRockbox: Yes |
| 01:15:43 | TexasRockbox | OK, thank you. I tried to create a quick .fms file, selected the .fms in themes and I seem to get nothing.. I'll keep working at it. |
| 01:16:32 | bluebroth3r | Astroe: Rockbox Utility does support the Fuze v2 if you compile from sources. |
| 01:17:09 | bluebroth3r | if you give me a couple of minutes I can build a binary from svn. Building takes a bit though (at least on the machine I've set that up) |
| 01:17:16 | Astroe | bluebroth3r: I am very new to linux. I don't know how to compile. |
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| 01:19:59 | CIA-6 | New commit by peter (r26564): More untranslated strings in Dutch langfile. Note to self: next time update to head before running genlang. |
| 01:20:43 | literal | n1s: can you commit this too? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11354 |
| 01:22:19 | Rob2222 | funman: are you there? |
| 01:23:30 | bluebroth3r | Astroe: build running. Should be done in 10 Minutes or so |
| 01:24:22 | Astroe | bluebroth3r: It's all good man. I got it installed. |
| 01:24:48 | bluebroth3r | ok. |
| 01:26:42 | Astroe | Quit: one-armed man applauds the kindness of strangers |
| 01:26:44 | Torne | does anyone have a nano2g and the ability to measure current drawn over USB? :) |
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| 01:27:43 | * | bluebroth3r only has the former |
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| 01:29:58 | n1s | literal: i'd rather wait until i'm done with this cleanup i'm working on which should be tomorrow |
| 01:30:29 | Torne | bluebroth3r: we're going to build the reuired hardware (a usb cable with a multimeter spliced in) but nobody appears to have a nano2g at devcon |
| 01:30:35 | bluebroth3r | I'm considering to close various old feature requests. What do the others thing? |
| 01:30:50 | bluebroth3r | Torne: too bad :( |
| 01:31:09 | literal | n1s: ok |
| 01:31:29 | bluebroth3r | if I had a spare Ipod cable I could try building one up tomorrow. Though my multimeter is a really cheap one so might be not suited at all |
| 01:31:59 | bluebroth3r | are you working on the charging stuff? Or is that for general power consumption? |
| 01:32:30 | bluebroth3r | hmm, maybe I should try to buy a cheap ipod cable tomorrow :) |
| 01:32:41 | Torne | i am indeed working on the charging stuff |
| 01:33:25 | Torne | ah, we have a cable made up, in fact :) |
| 01:34:09 | Torne | it's not urgent |
| 01:34:13 | Torne | i wouldn't worry about it :) |
| 01:34:24 | Torne | i'll pester theseven as i suspect he's already tested this |
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| 01:39:34 | bluebrother | Torne: would be great to have proper usb charging on the ipods |
| 01:39:42 | n1s | If anyone has any stuff they want to do that breaks the lang order tomorrow will be a good day to do it or tell me about it and i'll try to include it in my megapatch |
| 01:40:42 | Torne | bluebrother: yes, that's what i'm doing |
| 01:40:54 | Torne | bluebrother: i've almost finished the infrastructure for a better way of handling usb charging in general |
| 01:41:00 | Torne | and i have working usb charging on ipodvideo |
| 01:41:21 | Torne | there's code to do it on several other models as well but i'll need to test it |
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| 01:41:28 | Torne | will do it tomorrow on any models we hav ehandy here ;) |
| 01:42:25 | n1s | wow, we made it to lwn.net news with our release |
| 01:42:46 | bertrik | nice |
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| 01:48:25 | bluebrother | Torne: great. I can test on mini2g and nano2g (and on some non-ipod players). Should be doable for me by modifying a usb extension cable :) |
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| 01:50:36 | bluebrother | is goban a pure viewer or can it also play (i.e. gnugo)? |
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| 01:54:37 | S_a_i_n_t | bluebrother: IIUC, it can also be used as a viewer |
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| 01:56:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: RE: Nano2g+current draw, is it possible to add that info to the debug screen? |
| 01:56:58 | S_a_i_n_t | If so, I could check it quite easily...I cannot find my multimeter |
| 01:57:13 | S_a_i_n_t | (and I've checked *everywhere*) |
| 01:57:51 | S_a_i_n_t | It's also a long weekend/public holiday here so I haven't been able to purchase one either to check the draw from the Nanos over USB |
| 01:58:53 | hamish_ | S_a_i_n_t, where dp you live? |
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| 02:01:19 | S_a_i_n_t | hamish_: Um...why? |
| 02:01:34 | hamish_ | just curious as to what the long holiday was :P |
| 02:01:59 | S_a_i_n_t | "Queens Birthday Weekend" though, that is wildly off-topic |
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| 02:18:46 | TheSeven | Torne: pong |
| 02:18:58 | TheSeven | what exactly do you need regarding nano2g power consumption? |
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| 02:23:55 | literal | wincent: 1 |
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| 02:24:01 | literal | oops |
| 02:34:18 | wincent | literal: 0 :-) |
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| 02:35:01 | literal | that was a failed attempt at typing /window 1 |
| 02:38:16 | Majko11 | Hello world! :D I have a question about my Rockboxed Sansa e280 Rhapsody |
| 02:38:48 | Majko11 | The recording feature is absolutely stunning, does wavpack for awesome big recordings |
| 02:38:56 | Majko11 | but the sample rate cap is at 22.05kHz |
| 02:39:05 | n1s | TheSeven: do you have any assembly or other such fun things from the nano4g to look at? :) |
| 02:39:22 | TheSeven | yep |
| 02:39:28 | TheSeven | loads of that |
| 02:39:38 | TheSeven | way too much crap to ever dig through... |
| 02:39:40 | Majko11 | The microphone seems good enough for higher sample rates, say CD or even 48kHz like my terrible old Quadro mp3 i got for 3 bucks can :) |
| 02:40:26 | Majko11 | I can't seem to find in the PP5024 datasheet, if it allows 44 or 48kHz ADC |
| 02:40:27 | n1s | TheSeven: oh, i was hoping to do some light digging but that doesn't sound too promising |
| 02:40:48 | TheSeven | basically i'm still stuck in that efi hell |
| 02:41:07 | n1s | Majko11: i'm fairly certain it's a limitation of the hardware, probably the DAC |
| 02:41:12 | TheSeven | we will probably need some kind of automated data flow tracker to finally sort this out |
| 02:41:42 | n1s | TheSeven: would trying an emulator make any sense? |
| 02:42:22 | TheSeven | if that emulator would be good enough, maybe yes, but it'll probably have to emulate a lot of peripherals to work correctly up to a point where the interesting things start |
| 02:42:24 | Majko11 | n1s: I don't know, like I said, I own something that could be the worst player you can find these days, and it can do 48kHz, but it's software is very buggy so it's only 256MB so it won't serve it's purpose |
| 02:42:52 | n1s | Majko11: that is entirely irrelevant |
| 02:43:24 | TheSeven | what we basically need to do is build a control flow and data flow graph, to find all calls to the efi boot services, especially that installMultipleProtocolInterfaces function |
| 02:43:33 | n1s | TheSeven: so how would one get "that efi hell" to play with? :) |
| 02:43:42 | TheSeven | once we got them all, track down which GUIDs get registered to which function tables |
| 02:44:32 | Majko11 | n1s: ok, it's still like a developer or someone familiar with the PP5024 to confirm that the maximum sample rate we can get out of it is 22.05k. Thank you! :) |
| 02:44:42 | Majko11 | i'd still like* |
| 02:44:59 | n1s | wow, that sounds a bit complicated for a dap bootloader O_o |
| 02:46:33 | n1s | but how did you get the decrypted code, not that i think i could solve that thing... |
| 02:47:01 | TheSeven | then track down all the calls to those function tables, and in the end build an xref graph of all the function calls to the functions where they actually end up |
| 02:47:16 | saratoga | max sample rate is 22k or 32k IIRC |
| 02:47:16 | TheSeven | by decrypting it :-) |
| 02:47:36 | TheSeven | we have an exploit at the bootrom stage, which they can't fix |
| 02:47:55 | TheSeven | and we have figured out how to use the AES coprocessor :-) |
| 02:48:15 | n1s | ah, didn't know that, so a somewhat proper bootloader could be made then? |
| 02:48:57 | TheSeven | yep, but we need to figure out how all the other peripherals work before we can actually write some code |
| 02:49:23 | Majko11 | saratoga: I haven't tried recording radio with the original or rockbox software, but the original fw used 16khz for mic, and rockbox offers only 22k for both. Datasheet says that the chip also has a line-in which probably suggests for some higher rates, but line-in didn't make it out on the sansa |
| 02:49:36 | TheSeven | currently, we have working drivers for usb (control and bulk), the lcd and the backlight |
| 02:49:37 | n1s | aha, i've been a bit out of the loop, thought you were still looking for a better exploit |
| 02:49:48 | TheSeven | neither flash nor clickwheel yet :-/ |
| 02:50:09 | n1s | the first sansa bootloaders had neither lcd, nor flash iirc :) |
| 02:50:32 | n1s | is that stuff on the l4n site? |
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| 02:51:16 | TheSeven | the drivers are in my sourcecode snapshot, but we can't share disassemblies for obvious reasons :-) |
| 02:51:35 | n1s | yes |
| 02:51:37 | TheSeven | http://the-seven.tk/download/ipod/snapshot-201003100430-public.7z |
| 02:51:54 | TheSeven | see /nano4g and /tools/ibugger/nano4g |
| 02:52:30 | n1s | does ibugger work via this bootrom hole or the old notes thing? |
| 02:52:40 | TheSeven | both |
| 02:53:11 | n1s | ah |
| 02:53:24 | TheSeven | however, the lcd and sdram will only work if run through the notes exploit, because we don't know how to properly initialize that yet, and the bootrom exploit kicks in before the OFW can initialize it |
| 02:54:36 | n1s | i suppose there is no chance of hooking up jtag or something and listening in what the OF does? |
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| 07:52:07 | NRG | how could i help in making a nes emulator for rockbox? |
| 07:53:11 | Unhelpful | you could write or port one? ;) |
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| 08:01:23 | NRG | well |
| 08:01:34 | NRG | i'm not really sure how to make a rock yet |
| 08:04:07 | literal | what sort of battery life are you getting on a Clip+ with Rockbox? |
| 08:05:00 | literal | I'm almost done with a battery life test and it seems like it will be 13 hours |
| 08:05:05 | literal | I'm wondering how typical that is |
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| 08:08:50 | NRG | sounds pretty good to me |
| 08:18:45 | ucchan | I will commit the new text viewer plugin (FS #11209) because the problem reports are little (1post only). |
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| 08:22:12 | ucchan | Please give the comment to me when you are disagreement, |
| 08:30:33 | saratoga | ucchan: ping |
| 08:32:20 | ucchan | saratoga whats? |
| 08:32:29 | saratoga | did you get my email about TTA licensing? |
| 08:34:16 | ucchan | Mail is not sent. |
| 08:34:47 | ucchan | Licence violation? |
| 08:35:21 | saratoga | ucchan: the TTA people want to know if you will license your ASM code under BSD so they can merge it back into the official TTA decoder |
| 08:38:26 | saratoga | also, they said the arm code would be helpful for their encoder too |
| 08:39:21 | ucchan | thanks. I will contact True Audio Codec Software. |
| 08:40:04 | saratoga | ald at true-audio.com |
| 08:40:36 | saratoga | also, I tried your yoshihisa.uchida at gmail account, is that correct? |
| 08:41:12 | ucchan | Yes. this address is my official e-mail address. |
| 08:41:39 | saratoga | strange that it did not work |
| 08:42:24 | ucchan | does not reach? I don't check for a while. |
| 08:42:49 | saratoga | if you would email them it would be great, they've been asking me for a few days now if they can use your code |
| 08:42:53 | saratoga | anyway, i need sleep |
| 08:44:16 | ucchan | sorry. I read now. |
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| 09:04:59 | paddymelon | Hey guys, I run ipodlinux (with ZeroSlacker) and would like to use the rockbox bootloader... how do I set it so it sends certain options to the linux.bin file? Because, currently it can't find root and I need to set root as /dev/hda2 |
| 09:05:12 | paddymelon | any bootloader config file? |
| 09:05:42 | rvvs89 | You can't. |
| 09:05:59 | paddymelon | there's no way at all? |
| 09:06:15 | rvvs89 | You can only send boot options with Loader 2. |
| 09:06:17 | paddymelon | But, that's dumb... doesn't that mean nobody can boot ipodlinux with the bootloader? |
| 09:06:39 | rvvs89 | No, the kernel boots fine with no options. |
| 09:07:18 | paddymelon | See, loader2 wont work for me... I just get the 'Not a valid FAT superblock' error so, any other way to boot it with options |
| 09:07:42 | paddymelon | btw, it does need options for zeroslacker... to set the root of linux... maybe the normal kernel doesn't need this |
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| 09:08:39 | paddymelon | are there any other bootloaders? |
| 09:08:43 | paddymelon | At all? |
| 09:08:51 | rvvs89 | That sounds like a bug in an old version of Loader 2 |
| 09:09:05 | rvvs89 | There's Loader 0, I don't think you want to use that. |
| 09:09:17 | paddymelon | I'm using the latest from ipodlinux site |
| 09:10:11 | rvvs89 | Hmm, could you link me to the page where you downloaded it from? |
| 09:10:35 | paddymelon | one sec... let's find it |
| 09:11:30 | paddymelon | well, now I remember |
| 09:11:35 | paddymelon | in ZeroSlacker |
| 09:11:50 | paddymelon | which was built in like 2007... I'll try the latest loader2 |
| 09:12:15 | paddymelon | ... but I have my doubts |
| 09:12:16 | rvvs89 | Latest version I have locally is from 2008 |
| 09:12:23 | rvvs89 | For ZeroSlackr |
| 09:12:48 | paddymelon | ok, I just got the zeroslacker latest from the sourceforge |
| 09:12:57 | paddymelon | like a day ago... (was redoing it all) |
| 09:13:06 | paddymelon | so, is it an OK binary? |
| 09:13:51 | paddymelon | Yep, got the latest version of Loader2 from ZeroSlacker... so stuffed up |
| 09:14:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26565): Theme Editor: Enabled persistent window and panel locations |
| 09:14:09 | paddymelon | what's loader0 BTW, can't find it on google |
| 09:14:48 | rvvs89 | The original bootloader for iPodLinux, I don't think it supports anything above the iPod 3G. |
| 09:14:51 | rvvs89 | http://ipodlinux.org/w/images/b/b1/Ipodloader2-2.6.tar.gz |
| 09:15:05 | rvvs89 | That's the latest official release of Loader 2. |
| 09:15:16 | paddymelon | Is that the one included in latest ZeroSlacker? |
| 09:15:26 | rvvs89 | I don't know |
| 09:15:37 | paddymelon | it was last changed before the latest zeroslacker so I'm guessing it is |
| 09:16:08 | paddymelon | I'll install it and see... |
| 09:19:03 | paddymelon | OK, not working |
| 09:19:13 | paddymelon | same problem with FAT superblock |
| 09:19:15 | rvvs89 | I think it would be best to move this to #ipodlinux |
| 09:19:22 | paddymelon | alright, thanks |
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| 09:38:32 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26566): Theme Editor: Enabled tag closing |
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| 10:00:08 | knittl | hi guys. i'm just wondering if there was a problem with your git+svn repository? |
| 10:00:14 | JdGordon | pixelma: pong |
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| 10:00:37 | knittl | origin/master and git-svn are different commits |
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| 10:01:28 | knittl | seems like svn r23188 was amended |
| 10:01:44 | knittl | so the old commit is still in the origin/master branch |
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| 10:02:27 | knittl | if somebody could simply do a hard-reset of the master branch onto git-svn branch head |
| 10:02:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: wanted to tell you yesterday that remote default fonts are working nicely... and I found out now that your big cuesheet rework broke auto-change directory on Archos (Recorder is affected to if you want to test ;) ). Revisions 21968/9 and r21982 |
| 10:03:26 | JdGordon | ok,, that is rather odd (and 3000 revisions ago :/ ) |
| 10:03:51 | pixelma | yeah, was fun to test |
| 10:04:12 | JdGordon | ok file a bug for it |
| 10:04:31 | pixelma | alright |
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| 10:04:48 | JdGordon | btw, the archos wallwart is 110v only so even though I have a ajbr testing isnt so easy still |
| 10:05:50 | pixelma | you can charge the batteries in a usual NiMH charger (I have to do that for the Ondio anyways ;) ) |
| 10:06:59 | JdGordon | that would mean buying new batteries |
| 10:07:09 | JdGordon | I tihnk the ones in it are origionals and very dead |
| 10:08:49 | JdGordon | bieber: compile error in themeditor with svn :( |
| 10:09:03 | bieber | What's the error? |
| 10:09:10 | bieber | Everything was fine on my system :( |
| 10:10:32 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/P1bNNRYv |
| 10:10:36 | JdGordon | missing file mybe? |
| 10:11:19 | knittl | any server/repositoryadmins online? |
| 10:11:49 | Zagor | knittl: yes |
| 10:12:08 | knittl | Zagor: git-svn and origin/master heads are not the same |
| 10:12:28 | knittl | seems like r23188 was amended in svn |
| 10:12:47 | Zagor | 23188 was ages ago |
| 10:12:50 | knittl | i know |
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| 10:13:17 | bieber | JdGordon: Did you run qmake? It looks like it's only missing stuff from the .ui file |
| 10:13:25 | Zagor | knittl: I'm not well versed in the ways of git-svn. do you have any idea how to fix it? |
| 10:13:42 | knittl | Zagor: well, git diff master git-svn doesn't show any difference |
| 10:13:58 | knittl | history is the same, only r23188 is twice in the repo (with and without commit message) |
| 10:14:09 | JdGordon | bieber: yeah, clean and qmake and make. same thing |
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| 10:14:21 | knittl | quick fix is to git checkout master; git reset −−hard git-svn |
| 10:14:31 | knittl | this resets the master branch to git-svn |
| 10:14:43 | knittl | people using git directly would have to rebase though |
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| 10:15:44 | bieber | JdGordon: That's really strange. Let me check out the SVN copy somewhere and see if it compiles for me |
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| 10:17:00 | bieber | I did a clean checkout and no problems |
| 10:17:28 | JdGordon | qt3 or 4? |
| 10:17:30 | bieber | It looks like for some reason MOC isn't doing its thing properly on the ui file in your copy |
| 10:17:32 | bieber | qt4 |
| 10:18:09 | JdGordon | lame... :( |
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| 10:18:16 | JdGordon | qmake-qt4 && make |
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| 10:19:53 | bieber | Have you edited any files locally? |
| 10:20:12 | JdGordon | no |
| 10:21:13 | bieber | That's really weird |
| 10:21:55 | JdGordon | pixelma: what was the issue again? if dir advance is on it does what? |
| 10:22:35 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26567): Theme Editor: Got document title change signal working, beginning work on save function |
| 10:22:38 | bieber | I just committed what I have now, give that a shot |
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| 10:23:22 | bluebrother | building works fine for me. |
| 10:23:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: it crashes with a CPUAdrEr in cue_find_current_track |
| 10:24:04 | bluebrother | btw: tried to build the theme editor on Windows yesterday, worked fine. |
| 10:24:33 | bieber | How do the movable panels behave on Windows? |
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| 10:24:38 | JdGordon | bieber: :( no.. |
| 10:24:49 | bluebrother | same as on linux :) |
| 10:24:49 | JdGordon | pixelma: when? |
| 10:24:49 | pixelma | JdGordon: at the point where it actually needs to advance to a different dir |
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| 10:25:10 | bieber | I'd love to see screenshots from a Mac too, if anyone around here uses one |
| 10:25:38 | bluebrother | I can make one later |
| 10:25:54 | bieber | Thanks |
| 10:25:54 | bluebrother | s/one/some/ |
| 10:26:01 | JdGordon | pixelma: I dont suppose anyone there can hook it up to gdb and get a stack trace? |
| 10:26:22 | bieber | JdGordon: Maybe try doing an svn co in a fresh dir? |
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| 10:27:05 | bluebrother | JdGordon: have you tried completely removing the build folder first? |
| 10:27:16 | pixelma | JdGordon: I can't (won't work on Ondio anyways) and... |
| 10:27:25 | JdGordon | ah deleted the whole damn folder and svn uped again.. all good |
| 10:27:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, not during devcon. I don't have the necessary tools, serial cable and usb-serial adapter with me |
| 10:27:55 | JdGordon | nuts |
| 10:28:51 | JdGordon | pixelma: is it all folders? and dos the track have a .cue? |
| 10:29:31 | pixelma | yes all folders, track does not have a cue and cuesheet support enabled or disabled doesn't matter |
| 10:29:46 | knittl | Zagor: you can also directly edit the files in .git ^^ |
| 10:30:00 | AlexP | JdGordon: I got round to testing the cue sheet markers on the FM progress bar - 1) It seems limited in number, and 2) It looks a bit rubbish - http://aeparker.com/files/dump%20100605-092639.png |
| 10:30:30 | Zagor | knittl: ok. you'll have to walk me through it. |
| 10:30:38 | knittl | Zagor: but wait a sec |
| 10:30:47 | knittl | i don't know your exact infrastructure |
| 10:30:53 | knittl | how do you push/update your git repo? |
| 10:30:57 | JdGordon | AlexP: limited in number? |
| 10:31:04 | Zagor | knittl: from svn post-commit |
| 10:31:05 | JdGordon | you mean lots missing? |
| 10:31:07 | knittl | svn post-commit hook? |
| 10:31:11 | knittl | ok |
| 10:31:21 | JdGordon | and yeah, does look crap with that many... |
| 10:31:23 | AlexP | JdGordon: It doesn't show all of them - see the screen dump - I have more presets after the bars stop |
| 10:31:54 | knittl | Zagor: could you show me the relevant lines from your hook? |
| 10:32:30 | AlexP | JdGordon: Could it be added as an argument to the pb tag? I don't mind if someone wants to show them, but with lots of presets it looks a bit crap and I'd quite like to be able to turn them off :) |
| 10:32:47 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:32:48 | pixelma | the markers there look more like a design element in the "progress bar" so you can't even imagine that they have a meaning |
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| 10:37:50 | n1s | pixelma: do you have any lang string order breakign thingsa you want to get in, i think i'll commit the cleanup today |
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| 10:40:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26568): Theme Editor: Basic save-as functionality working, but only invoked when a tab is closed |
| 10:40:40 | pixelma | n1s: no, can't think of any :) |
| 10:41:34 | n1s | ok, i'll commit it later then, if someone comes up with something they want to do it's not really a problem to break the order twice in a day |
| 10:44:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: playback works fine untill it wants to change folders? |
| 10:44:44 | bluebrother | bieber: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/mig/albums/rockbox/themeeditor-mac-r26567.png |
| 10:45:15 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes |
| 10:48:51 | Stummi | I am wondering, if there is somewhat like a tamagotchi-game for rockbox |
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| 10:49:49 | bertrik | no there is not |
| 10:50:00 | bertrik | you're welcome to write one :) |
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| 10:51:20 | Stummi | yes, maybe i will try this ;) But I am not very fit with c/c++ cause I worked mostly with python and java to yet. Maybe I can use this to learn that :) |
| 10:52:04 | AlexP | Just C :) |
| 10:53:47 | Stummi | ok |
| 10:53:51 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, well I have a guess what it might be, but no idea why it doesnt crash swcodec... or how to fix it |
| 10:55:42 | pixelma | ok, will report it then. Maybe you could add a comment |
| 10:55:46 | bertrik | is there a tag in the wfms to indicate whether radio reception is stereo or not? |
| 10:55:56 | pixelma | yes |
| 10:55:56 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:56:38 | pixelma | I believe though that not all FMS (and especially recording) tags are mentioned on CustomWPS yet |
| 10:56:54 | * | pixelma wonders if the page should be renamed.. |
| 10:57:10 | JdGordon | they should be |
| 10:58:03 | pixelma | JdGordon: I remember having to look up some of them in the source when working on the built-in FMS |
| 10:58:33 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26569): Improve error handling. ... |
| 10:59:02 | pixelma | maybe only recording tags though (recording time IIRC) |
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| 11:02:40 | bertrik | I wouldn't mind working on a cabbiev2 FMS for the clip this weekend |
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| 11:04:33 | JdGordon | bluebrother: so whats the plan for the themesite? |
| 11:05:04 | pixelma | JdGordon: maybe it's not actually a sw/hwcodec thing but CPU architecture? Works on my M5 and c200 though |
| 11:05:38 | amiconn | It's most probably hwcodec playback engine |
| 11:05:44 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:05:48 | pixelma | I'll file for "hwcodec" though |
| 11:06:35 | amiconn | It looks like some structure member doesn't get inited properly on dirchange, so it thinks there is a cuesheet where there actually is none |
| 11:06:38 | JdGordon | my guess is that the PLAYBACK_EVENT_TRACK_CHANGE event isnt being sent out correctly |
| 11:06:56 | amiconn | ...but only on dirchange, not on ordinary track change |
| 11:07:07 | * | pixelma looks around for some flyspray admin who can change the "reported version" dropdown list |
| 11:07:32 | amiconn | Iiuc the problem affected all track changes right after r21968, and r21982 fixed it for normal track changes |
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| 11:08:22 | bluebrother | Domonoky: ping |
| 11:08:31 | Domonoky | pong |
| 11:08:50 | bluebrother | seen JdGordon's question? How should we proceed with the theme site / theme versioning? |
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| 11:09:41 | * | pixelma spots a Zagor ;) |
| 11:10:22 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i am not sure. But i think the best way is to copy the current themesite to another place before we upgrade to the new syntacs. |
| 11:10:43 | bluebrother | keeping a copy is usually a good idea :) |
| 11:10:56 | Domonoky | would also make it easier to handle in rbutil (just use another URL if the version is below 3.7 or below a specific revision) |
| 11:10:58 | bluebrother | however, how do we want to handle different theme syntax version? |
| 11:11:39 | bluebrother | well, Rockbox Utility would need to handle both versions (old old for last release, new one for current builds) |
| 11:12:05 | Domonoky | jup, just get the themes from another URL.. |
| 11:12:20 | Zagor | 3.6 added to flyspray |
| 11:12:24 | bluebrother | my idea would rather be to store the compatibiliy information in the theme site database (isn't that stored there already?), then transmit a version number to the theme site when requesting the list of themes |
| 11:12:36 | bluebrother | then the theme site can return different download urls. |
| 11:12:49 | JdGordon | I really like that idea |
| 11:13:57 | Domonoky | doesnt sound too bad, but needs much more work, and there is probably noone doing that. |
| 11:14:18 | bluebrother | the question is where to get the version number for the syntax: use the svn revision? Then we should use that for releases as well, but that could cause problems because of syntax changes between release branch changes and trunk changes. |
| 11:14:21 | Domonoky | the themesite would have to have different locations for old and new theme zips. |
| 11:14:51 | bluebrother | the theme site could simply store the zip files as ThemeName-syntaxversion.zip :) |
| 11:15:09 | Domonoky | if you change all this php code, sure... |
| 11:15:14 | JdGordon | can the themesite store the branch revision and do a lookup? |
| 11:15:34 | JdGordon | so rbutil would send 3.6 and the themesite would know <25000 |
| 11:15:38 | Domonoky | but if we want todo the syntacs change somewhere in the near future, i think the only solution is to just copy the theme site. |
| 11:16:22 | Domonoky | JdGordon: it can do anything you want. but currently it doesnt know anything about revisions.. |
| 11:16:28 | bluebrother | well, 3.6 matching to "less than 25000" sounds problematic to me. |
| 11:16:35 | Domonoky | it just displays theme zips which pass the correct checkwps |
| 11:16:58 | bluebrother | how does this "pass the correct checkwps" look like? |
| 11:17:40 | JdGordon | hang on.. if the release checkwps is different to the daily checkwps then why is there a problem? either rbutil sends rxxxxx or 3.x or whatever.. |
| 11:17:40 | bluebrother | rbutilqt.php does return pass_release and pass_current tags. |
| 11:17:53 | JdGordon | does the db already know which was the last checkwps it passed? |
| 11:17:59 | Domonoky | it just runs checkwps on all themes whitch apply (screensizes) and stores the result (true/false) |
| 11:18:21 | Domonoky | it only stores the result of current checkwps and last release checkwps |
| 11:19:25 | JdGordon | would storing the last pass be hard? |
| 11:19:26 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 11:19:48 | JdGordon | starting from *now* though, not from the beginging |
| 11:20:04 | bluebrother | does that help? IMO it would be great if it was possible to install themes for an older Rockbox installation and still getting only compatible themes |
| 11:20:11 | Domonoky | that would mean bigger db changes, so not easy |
| 11:20:50 | JdGordon | bluebrother: well I meant that running every theme on every old ceckwps would be painful right now |
| 11:21:21 | bluebrother | JdGordon: sure, I wouldn't want to start supporting the past :) |
| 11:21:58 | bluebrother | however, with a theme syntax version the database would only need to store a list of theme syntax versions (or even only the first and last version) a theme is compatible with. |
| 11:22:26 | bluebrother | so that would need a field "first syntax compatible" and "last syntax compatible". |
| 11:22:30 | Domonoky | and new fields to store old and new zips for a theme |
| 11:22:34 | bluebrother | problem is when it comes to updates. |
| 11:22:59 | JdGordon | store them as db blobs :) |
| 11:23:08 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 11:23:13 | bluebrother | not necessarily. The zip filename could get generated, like ThemeFileName-FirstSyntaxCompatibleNumber |
| 11:24:06 | Domonoky | sure, but that are all big changes to the themesite, and i dont see someone doing the neccesary work for that. |
| 11:24:19 | bluebrother | when retrieving rbutilqt.php the theme site would need to check the version number transmitted by Rockbox Utility and only return the themes that have a first syntax - last syntax range that contains that value |
| 11:24:37 | bluebrother | IMO we need to do that eventually anyway :o |
| 11:26:03 | bluebrother | I would acutally look into that issue (though I have no idea how much time that would need and how much time I'll have to spend), but first we need to find a way to figure how it should work :) |
| 11:27:00 | bluebrother | as a first measure, rbutilqt.php could check the transmitted version number and if it notices that as release version (by whatever means) it returns different paths (to the "old" site copy) |
| 11:27:33 | bluebrother | it could even use a header(Location:http://themes.rockbox.org/old/rbutilqt.php"); |
| 11:27:56 | pixelma | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11355 |
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| 11:28:32 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 11:41:49 | Stummi | is there something like a quickstart-guide, howto make plugins for rockbox? I found the helloworld.c, and this seems to explain something, about making the plugin itselfs. But how do I define, where (in which menu) the plugin appears? The hello-world-plugin doesn't seems to be used anywhere to yet |
| 11:42:29 | bluebrother | Stummi: check apps/plugins/CATEGORIES |
| 11:43:30 | Stummi | and there i just have to add an row "helloworld,demos" or so? |
| 11:43:49 | n1s | yes |
| 11:43:51 | Domonoky | Stummi: yes, and add helloworld.c to SOURCES. |
| 11:45:33 | Stummi | ah, it works. Thanks |
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| 11:50:38 | AlexP | JdGordon: Do you have an example of a new tag? |
| 11:50:54 | JdGordon | what sort of new tag? |
| 11:51:01 | AlexP | The new format |
| 11:51:44 | JdGordon | if a ta had params it is now %aa(1,2,3,) instead of %aa|1|2|3| |
| 11:51:52 | JdGordon | otherwise no change |
| 11:51:54 | AlexP | thanks |
| 11:52:04 | DomasoFan | hello everyone. when i create my bootloader and i want to create another one for a different player i issue 'make clean' to clean the source code up and after that i can't build another one. do i need always a new pull from the svn to build another bootloader or is there a command to reuse the code? |
| 11:52:40 | bertrik | no, you don't need to pull, you do need to rerun ../tools/configure though |
| 11:52:54 | Domonoky | DomasoFan: you can just use a different build directory and rerun configure |
| 11:53:25 | bertrik | yes indeed, it makes a lot of sense to use different build directories for different targets |
| 11:53:39 | JdGordon | AlexP: ignore that last comma though.. that was a typo |
| 11:53:49 | AlexP | will do |
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| 11:54:34 | DomasoFan | ah ok. thanks. will try that. |
| 11:55:34 | JdGordon | I really want to do the changeover tonight/tomroow so people helping test the update program/script and the patch from the ml would be very useful |
| 11:56:31 | AlexP | will do |
| 11:57:38 | AlexP | JdGordon: skinbreak.diff from 01/06? |
| 11:57:55 | JdGordon | AlexP: oh, incase your are manually updating scripts, the oclour tags have been ripped of the viewport tags now |
| 11:57:56 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:58:15 | AlexP | I'll try the script first |
| 11:58:43 | JdGordon | im just reviewing that diff to make sure it is still good... it still applies which is a good sign :p |
| 11:59:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 12:00:02 | AlexP | Where is the script btw? |
| 12:00:49 | | Quit hamish_ (Quit: Leaving) |
| 12:01:02 | JdGordon | utils/skinupdater |
| 12:01:07 | AlexP | ta |
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| 12:01:30 | JdGordon | themeupdater.pl will do a whole zip, otherwsie make in there will get you the program to do a single file |
| 12:03:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I *really* need to head to bed, but I need to update my skins also... |
| 12:03:33 | S_a_i_n_t | what's the syntax to run the themeupdater.pl script? |
| 12:04:25 | S_a_i_n_t | ...and, can it run on .zips recursively? |
| 12:05:10 | JdGordon | themeupdater.pl <zip file> <working temp dir> |
| 12:05:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26570): New USB charging system, part 1 - API rework and user-visible setting update ... |
| 12:06:20 | S_a_i_n_t | wow, awesome. easier than I thought. no bork-bork for running recursively? (not a big deal) |
| 12:07:19 | JdGordon | ./skinupdater <in file> <outfile> will do a single file |
| 12:07:30 | JdGordon | outfile can be left off to dump to stdout |
| 12:08:06 | JdGordon | AlexP: seems that diff is crashing... im having a look why |
| 12:10:19 | AlexP | OK, I can hold on :) |
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| 12:16:08 | AlexP | JdGordon: Should the working dir exist? |
| 12:16:17 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:16:26 | JdGordon | use /tmp/something if oyu want to be safe |
| 12:16:36 | JdGordon | and you might want to double check the perl... |
| 12:17:20 | AlexP | ./updatetheme.pl CabbieBB.zip temp mkdir: cannot create directory `temp/': File exists couldnt mkdir temp/ at ./updatetheme.pl line 31. |
| 12:17:57 | AlexP | If I remove the directory it unzips the existing theme then gives: |
| 12:18:04 | AlexP | diff: temp/CSB.fms: No such file or directory mv: cannot stat `temp/CSB.fms': No such file or directory |
| 12:18:12 | AlexP | for each file (wps, sbs, fms) |
| 12:19:51 | JdGordon | see if anyone there wants to debug :) I hate perl :p |
| 12:20:44 | AlexP | line 31 creates the dir, so it needs to not exist in the first place |
| 12:20:51 | AlexP | That bit is simple :) |
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| 12:24:33 | ucchan | I will commit the new text viewer plugin (FS #11209) from now. |
| 12:24:43 | JdGordon | read_bmp_file: can't open '/.rockbox/backdrops/d', rc: -1 <-= WTF?! |
| 12:24:55 | JdGordon | ucchan: woo! go for it :) |
| 12:26:53 | amiconn | Someone broke button maps for many ipod plugins :( |
| 12:27:29 | amiconn | If Left/Right/Menu/Play is used for directions, just 'Menu' for exit is a bad idea. You can never move up |
| 12:27:47 | S_a_i_n_t | logical. |
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| 12:28:27 | S_a_i_n_t | I though "menu+select" was "exit" (or supposed to be) in cases where the keymap was full for the plugins on iPods? |
| 12:29:13 | pixelma | my guess is pluginlib actions but I'm not sure if fractals used them |
| 12:29:38 | amiconn | Yes, it suppsed to be, and used to be |
| 12:29:48 | amiconn | Now it's broken |
| 12:29:51 | Torne | if things use *just* pluginlib actions, then exit should be either menu+select or select+play |
| 12:29:53 | S_a_i_n_t | :/ |
| 12:30:10 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26571): reworks text viewer plugin. (FS #11209) ... |
| 12:30:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne; Ah yes, I knew there was another one. |
| 12:30:23 | S_a_i_n_t | (select+play) |
| 12:30:23 | petur | meeting starts, follow online via the webcam stream |
| 12:31:02 | JdGordon | feature requests... anything that is dead and no comments fro the last few years |
| 12:32:44 | AlexP | JdGordon: Could you elaborate on what you mean with the first point? |
| 12:32:51 | bluebrother | problem with feature requests is that they still show up on rockbox.org/tracker |
| 12:32:59 | JdGordon | scorche: pay for my ticket and ill come! |
| 12:33:11 | scorche|sh | you are the ex-MS person here! |
| 12:33:33 | JdGordon | AlexP: well, there are so many bugs and patches which seem dead, they could either be fixed already, or rejectable or |
| 12:34:39 | JdGordon | yes there is |
| 12:34:47 | scorche|sh | go on.. |
| 12:34:57 | JdGordon | you can find all tasks last changed < date |
| 12:35:10 | AlexP | I didn't ask :) |
| 12:35:18 | * | scorche|sh sees it now |
| 12:36:00 | bluebrother | all unreasonable feature requests should get closed at least. |
| 12:36:33 | scorche|sh | i dont think we should bother about feature requests at all, really - just worry about bugs/patches |
| 12:36:45 | ucchan | I commit the "plugin". but building error from "codec". why ? |
| 12:37:31 | funman | ucchan: "warning -function-section" is my own fault |
| 12:37:57 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: yes, though some of those feature requests might be worthwhile thinking about it at least once |
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| 12:38:16 | pixelma | ucchan: all errors and warning only come from one build client... |
| 12:38:41 | ucchan | funman, pixelma: thanks. |
| 12:38:52 | Zagor | three cheers for knittl, who walked me through repairing the git-svn repo |
| 12:39:08 | JdGordon | hip hip |
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| 12:39:36 | knittl | :) |
| 12:39:48 | funman | the warning can be something specific to cross compilers built from osx perhaps, now i'm looking at the error with plugin bitmaps |
| 12:39:58 | JdGordon | AlexP: yes, thats why i put it on the list... lost of people means that should go quickly |
| 12:40:14 | AlexP | JdGordon: I'll get going this afternoon |
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| 12:42:50 | AlexP | Anyone got anything to add on GSOC? |
| 12:43:16 | * | bluebrother thinks the theme editor is progressing pretty well |
| 12:43:33 | * | JdGordon seconds that |
| 12:43:43 | JdGordon | and RaaA shoulld be failed! |
| 12:44:09 | funman | isn't that failed already ? O:-) |
| 12:45:58 | bluebrother | petur: sound seems to come only from the right channel. Is that intended? |
| 12:46:00 | JdGordon | most of the NoDo's are not on a list |
| 12:46:26 | funman | JdGordon: true, some are implicit, just make a list of the ones you know which aren't written down on the wiki |
| 12:46:38 | scorche|sh | JdGordon: which are that? |
| 12:46:44 | scorche|sh | those, even |
| 12:47:00 | gevaerts | JdGordon: true, but we asked to put those there or conseider them nonexisten |
| 12:47:04 | JdGordon | the ones which noone remembers untill a big argument hapens |
| 12:47:12 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDoDiscussion |
| 12:48:00 | petur | bluebrother: I see it too... the encoder says so at least. My iriver shows normal signals, although it is set to record mono, but that is done on the recorded stream, not the line-out that goes to the PC |
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| 12:48:40 | petur | maybe a balance setting on the iriver but I doubt it (and can't check while recording) |
| 12:49:35 | bluebrother | I'll manage to live with it :) |
| 12:51:00 | petur | you'll have to :P |
| 12:55:42 | bluebrother | problem with hfs+ on mac could be that it would only get tested by new users because existing users already (have to) use FAT |
| 12:55:51 | bluebrother | s/mac/ipods/ |
| 12:59:39 | funman | is there something wrong with plugins depending on /bitmaps (as opposed to /pluginbitmaps) ? |
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| 13:00:05 | bluebrother | as in reusing bitmaps from the main binary? |
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| 13:00:11 | JdGordon | alpha skipping sort of is doable with the current code if someone oculd be bohered coding it |
| 13:00:33 | AlexP | Yeah, so if someone wants to do it, great |
| 13:00:51 | bluebrother | MrSomeonesTodoList :) |
| 13:01:01 | JdGordon | it was only massive on hwcodec |
| 13:01:16 | funman | bluebrother: yeah, i noticed the rockboxlogo is duplicated (although in 2 different sizes : the pluginsbitmap is only used by logo.c and is smaller than the one for main binary) |
| 13:01:43 | funman | however i just thought it might be intentionally smaller than the screen so it can move |
| 13:02:07 | bluebrother | speaking about ape tags: how about id3 tags attached to ogg files? |
| 13:02:45 | funman | what software produces these? |
| 13:03:36 | bluebrother | grip did at some time in the past. |
| 13:03:47 | bluebrother | (and it did that even as default!) |
| 13:04:44 | bluebrother | the main problem with that files is that Rockbox simply refuses to play the file |
| 13:04:50 | funman | the only idea of id3 and ogg together makes me feel sick |
| 13:05:02 | funman | bluebrother: id3v2 then? |
| 13:05:19 | bluebrother | yes |
| 13:05:40 | bluebrother | I agree that id3 with ogg files is completely broken. |
| 13:05:58 | bluebrother | but Rockbox could in the "help you out" argument simply skip the tags |
| 13:06:03 | literal | it doesn't help that many id3 taggers on Linux are buggy |
| 13:06:06 | bluebrother | *the id3 tags that is |
| 13:06:44 | bluebrother | it's better to play the file and not recognize the tags instead of not playing it at all (while pc applications usually do) |
| 13:06:55 | literal | the only Linux id3 tagger I haven't had problems with is eyeD3 (but be careful, it uses v2.4 for new tags unless you use −−to-v2.3) |
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| 13:07:25 | funman | apps/metadata/ogg.c says "rfc |
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| 13:08:05 | funman | apps/metadata/ogg.c says All Ogg streams start with "OggS", perhaps we could try to synchronize if it's not found in the first bytes |
| 13:08:58 | funman | there would be no penalty for correct files and at least the files would decode |
| 13:09:18 | funman | we'd just ignore the id3v2 tag then - how does that sound bluebrother ? |
| 13:09:46 | bluebrother | yes, that's what I think too. Checking the first bytes if it's an id3 header and skip it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 13:10:17 | bluebrother | probably also display a splash to notice the user though I have no idea if a codec can trigger a splash |
| 13:10:39 | funman | don't think it's useful |
| 13:11:00 | bluebrother | the splash or the skipping? |
| 13:11:05 | funman | splash |
| 13:11:29 | bluebrother | hmm, probably. Not completely sure about that. |
| 13:12:15 | JdGordon | fully customising the menu should be pretty doable.... slightly complicated but doable :) |
| 13:12:21 | JdGordon | and haleluya for removing that nodo |
| 13:12:43 | bluebrother | the ape nodo? |
| 13:12:58 | JdGordon | no customisable menus |
| 13:12:59 | * | bluebrother spots the other change on the page |
| 13:14:48 | JdGordon | AlexP: can you add "replace the dirfilter setting from the quickscreen default" to the agenda? |
| 13:15:05 | AlexP | yep |
| 13:15:42 | funman | bluebrother: IIUC the rationale for not supporting ape tags in mp3s is that involves more hard-disk spinning and then reduces battery life, is that right? |
| 13:15:46 | bluebrother | how about discussion to remove the quickscreen completely? |
| 13:16:10 | JdGordon | hotkeys proves custoimsable keys is doable and wanted |
| 13:16:11 | bluebrother | funman: afaik apev2 tags are at the end of the file, but id3v2 are also |
| 13:16:27 | bluebrother | funman: iirc the original point was that apev2 are non-standard for mp3 |
| 13:17:21 | ucchan | bluebrother: but winamp, foober2000, major players supports. |
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| 13:17:22 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: you mean id3v1? |
| 13:17:43 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: ah right, mixed that up. D'oh! |
| 13:17:49 | JdGordon | FULLY customisable keymaps is dead simple to do. and using a plugin to build the keymap table means almost no core changes |
| 13:18:13 | bluebrother | ucchan: pc players not using standard tags doesn't make it better. |
| 13:18:57 | Zagor | JdGordon: go go go! :) |
| 13:19:12 | bluebrother | what's the point of customizable keymaps? |
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| 13:19:35 | petur | bluebrother: the point is, is there a point against it |
| 13:19:37 | Rob2223 | funman: do you have black-screened a fuze while connecting it to a PC while beeing in RB? |
| 13:19:41 | bluebrother | you're usually annoyed by only one or two buttons. Like: why is the context menu invoked by long Select and not long Menu? |
| 13:20:13 | JdGordon | that could be done easily.. |
| 13:20:34 | JdGordon | the tables use a flow on thing, so you;d just need to remap a few combos to change that |
| 13:20:34 | bluebrother | AlexP: but that might be a point for discussion too: swap long Select and long Menu on Ipods. Context Menu makes more sense on Menu, not select |
| 13:20:52 | JdGordon | context menu is long select on every target |
| 13:21:27 | funman | Rob2223: yeah, then i had to wait 48 hours for it to discharge (or i could have opened it, cut a battery wire and soldered it back) |
| 13:21:30 | bluebrother | but why not use the menu button? Especially on targets that do have a button labelled Menu? |
| 13:22:26 | funman | bluebrother: afaict file system use some kind of cache so depending on the typical size of id3v2 / apev2 tags it should be 'free' to look for an apev2 tag after we have looked for an id3v1 tag |
| 13:22:38 | funman | s/of id3v2/of id3v1/ |
| 13:22:46 | bluebrother | funman: good point |
| 13:23:03 | Rob2223 | funman: ah thx the time i wanted to know and you know about the issue. then i just have to wait more hours. (btw. my second fuze was a 1001 which accepted RB fine). i assume when its empty i dont hear any disotion anymore when connecting the plugs. |
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| 13:23:15 | funman | each file descriptor caches one sector (usually 512 bytes or more ?) |
| 13:23:42 | funman | Rob2223: true |
| 13:24:20 | Rob2223 | ok thank you for information, wont disturb here more, now. :) |
| 13:27:02 | funman | current sector sizes are 512/1024/2048 bytes, id3v1 tag is 128 bytes, apev2 is 64bytes + variable size tags just like vorbis) |
| 13:28:04 | funman | actually the footer is 32bytes and is enough to detect if there's a tag or not so I don't see why not supporting apev2 in mp3 (except for code duplication between id3.c / ape.c maybe) |
| 13:30:14 | bluebrother | well, the tag handling could go into a separate file :) |
| 13:30:40 | funman | right so no prob then :) |
| 13:30:56 | * | funman tries to listen when apev2 is mentioned in the devcon room |
| 13:31:02 | n1s | ok, here we go |
| 13:31:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26572): Lang file cleanup! ... |
| 13:31:16 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if there isn't already duplicated code with other codecs |
| 13:31:45 | pixelma | n1s: \o/ ...waiting for the impact though ;) |
| 13:32:18 | funman | was already mentioned .. :/ |
| 13:32:36 | n1s | pixelma: i have my fingers crossed :) |
| 13:32:42 | funman | AlexP told it's ok to look for ape if id3 hasn't been found |
| 13:32:55 | n1s | rasher's langtool is very useful :) |
| 13:34:09 | n1s | only a few reds |
| 13:34:20 | JdGordon | AlexP: it can be empty |
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| 13:34:30 | JdGordon | I wouldnt be against having the bottom optoin empty |
| 13:34:54 | JdGordon | not volume |
| 13:35:08 | JdGordon | volume will cnfuse people unless it is the top and bottom option |
| 13:35:18 | * | bluebrother remembers the time when there was no up button option |
| 13:35:27 | AlexP | JdGordon: yeah, it'd be top and bottom |
| 13:35:37 | AlexP | (I think), :) |
| 13:36:00 | JdGordon | exit as an option is doable |
| 13:36:00 | JdGordon | sure |
| 13:36:04 | bluebrother | would solve the Filetypes issue :) |
| 13:36:14 | JdGordon | not sure how you'd set it, but its doable |
| 13:36:25 | n1s | it seems none of those reds are mine even :) |
| 13:36:37 | kugel | JdGordon: volume would confuse? |
| 13:36:51 | JdGordon | sure, if it only goes up... or down.. |
| 13:36:54 | n1s | funman: your "christmas-jones-funman" seems to be giving weird errors and warnings? |
| 13:37:01 | n1s | s/?// |
| 13:37:24 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:37:47 | bluebrother | AlexP: why doesn't the button that enters the quickscreen also exit it? (At least on Ipods −− this worked before the 4th option) |
| 13:38:02 | funman | n1s: yes |
| 13:38:02 | JdGordon | AlexP: there is no wrap protection in the QS |
| 13:38:03 | AlexP | Don't know :) |
| 13:38:06 | AlexP | OK |
| 13:38:20 | AlexP | JdGordon: Is it addable :) |
| 13:38:32 | JdGordon | well anything is, but I dont think that should be |
| 13:38:33 | bluebrother | one reason why Long Menu for invoking the QS is bad IMO :) |
| 13:38:34 | ucchan | funman: Is chritmas-jones-funman cygwin ? |
| 13:38:44 | funman | n1s: it's a 4 cores machine so it shows issues in dependancies i think - i am looking at pluginbitmap missing dep right now |
| 13:38:49 | funman | ucchan: no it's Mac OSX |
| 13:39:03 | funman | the gcc warning I have no idea about it I will look later |
| 13:39:07 | n1s | funman: ok |
| 13:39:09 | bluebrother | looks like OS X Intel :) |
| 13:39:23 | ucchan | funman: oh. my cygwin same warning occurs. |
| 13:39:35 | n1s | hmm, the size delta is kind of strange |
| 13:40:47 | JdGordon | AlexP: one option is adding a menu under system or something for the 4 qs options so it justs hows a list of every possible option |
| 13:40:52 | JdGordon | with exit in there |
| 13:40:54 | pixelma | n1s: the jump scroll settings were not made player feature only because jump scroll could be implemented for other targets too |
| 13:41:03 | gevaerts | JdGordon: yes, that sounds like the best option |
| 13:41:25 | n1s | pixelma: oh, should i change it back? |
| 13:41:55 | * | pixelma also asks amiconn (who said he wanted to implement them once) |
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| 13:42:06 | JdGordon | that is how the origional patch did it btw |
| 13:42:11 | funman | I think generating several files at once in a Makefile rule is a bad thing - r26349 is related to this. |
| 13:42:55 | amiconn | n1s: I'm still planning to do jumpscroll for bitmap (and bring it back for charcell - it doesn't exist atm) |
| 13:43:15 | n1s | i'll change them back then |
| 13:43:17 | amiconn | But if I do this, I'll probably add slightly different options, and one more scroll mode |
| 13:43:33 | amiconn | So if you touch it again, imo you should throw out those strings completely |
| 13:43:35 | JdGordon | gevaerts: we should allow an explicit exit option, but not quit if the setting is blank |
| 13:43:43 | n1s | amiconn: ok |
| 13:43:46 | gevaerts | JdGordon: why? |
| 13:43:52 | amiconn | I'll bring them back when coming around to doing the implementation |
| 13:43:52 | gevaerts | I don't mind it, but... |
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| 13:44:09 | ucchan | n1s: some sentences vanishes. e.g., LANG_ONE_TIME is missing. |
| 13:44:10 | JdGordon | i dont really have a great reason... other than accidental button pressing |
| 13:44:37 | gevaerts | well, you exit the quickscreen accidentally... |
| 13:44:54 | n1s | ucchan: ? |
| 13:45:17 | pixelma | n1s: I believe the "Gain:" string was also used on hwcodec recording targets, not sure where it came from now, the beginning of the phrase didn't show up in the diff |
| 13:45:25 | pixelma | without the : |
| 13:45:27 | AlexP | Right, pause to eat :) |
| 13:45:34 | JdGordon | WEAK! |
| 13:45:45 | AlexP | We shall be back soon :) |
| 13:46:00 | * | bluebrother seconds Torne |
| 13:46:04 | gevaerts | JdGordon: don't complain! You now have a break to implement all former NoDos! |
| 13:46:11 | n1s | amiconn: the jump scroll strings are used in settings_list.c are you saying these settings do nothing? |
| 13:46:21 | JdGordon | hehe YAY! |
| 13:46:27 | ucchan | diff r26571 and r26572, LANG_ONE_TIME: is lcd_charcell only ok? |
| 13:46:32 | amiconn | The setting is there, but it's doing nothing atm |
| 13:46:42 | amiconn | You could throw them out as well |
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| 13:47:02 | n1s | amiconn: aha |
| 13:48:13 | pixelma | ucchan: I think it's also related to those jump scroll options, so I think yes (if it is not used elsewhere) |
| 13:48:14 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26573): Implement backlight brightness for iPod G4 greyscale and iPod Color/Photo. |
| 13:49:20 | n1s | pixelma: the "Gain" string i changed the target for is LANG_SYSFONT_GAIN which is only used in eq_menu |
| 13:49:40 | pixelma | n1s: there are some phrases that have "deprecated" in the description where you just changed some feature |
| 13:50:04 | pixelma | LANG_SYSFONT_AGC_VOICE for example... leaving for lunch too now |
| 13:51:29 | ucchan | n1s: thanks. |
| 13:52:06 | n1s | pixelma: LANG_SYSFONT_AGC_VOICE is gone... |
| 13:52:38 | Rob2223 | funman: is there a way to aviod this fuze blackscreen problem? shut RB down before connecting to PC? |
| 13:54:19 | JdGordon | ucchan: if plugins/viewer.c is dead code you should delete it now |
| 13:54:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r26574): new plugin: FS #10559 - lrcplayer: a plugin to view .lrc file. |
| 13:56:34 | ucchan | JdGordon: ok. just a moment please. |
| 13:57:06 | JdGordon | no rush, just there is no reason to keep dead code around |
| 13:59:46 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26575): Remove the jump scroll settings since they don't do anything, drop the relevant lang ids too |
| 13:59:47 | JdGordon | back on the quickscreen discussion... it is (or could be) possible to have the quick screen items as options on the QS.. (i.r the bottom one could control the left ones option)! |
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| 14:04:42 | n1s | I gtg for a while but will check the backscroll for any comments on this lang stuff |
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| 14:09:13 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26576): remove old text viewer plugin (viewer.rock). |
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| 14:19:43 | JdGordon | ffs...viewport colours are borken with the skin breaking patch and i have nfi why |
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| 14:23:26 | Rob2223 | viewports support colors? is this new? |
| 14:23:35 | JdGordon | yes, no |
| 14:23:56 | Rob2223 | ok then i have to re-read that part in the manual |
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| 14:31:13 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26577): Remove Jump scroll from the manual too |
| 14:31:44 | JdGordon | AlexP: pixelma: I've updated the skinbreak patch on the ml... ideaaly as soon as we get an answer re the theme site from Domonoky/bluebrother/? it will go in |
| 14:31:59 | JdGordon | *hopefully* before devcon finishes |
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| 14:34:32 | pixelma | n1s: ah, I see it now. ViewVC just displayed it wrong |
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| 14:35:24 | notlistening | Domonoky, can we give open sapi another run for its money? If your intrested? |
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| 14:36:54 | Domonoky | sure, i am just not sure if we should include the server into the binary. its pretty big. |
| 14:37:15 | Domonoky | other then that, opensapi support for rbutil could be commited. |
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| 14:37:51 | bluebrother | maybe download the server component from the server when required? |
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| 14:39:56 | notlistening | I like bluebrothers idea |
| 14:40:23 | notlistening | should be a lot better now I hope :D |
| 14:40:36 | notlistening | but size wise humm :() |
| 14:41:53 | funman | Rob2223: dunno what's wrong with fuzev2 crashing & not being able to be powered off |
| 14:42:13 | AlexP | Nearly ready to kick off again |
| 14:42:26 | AlexP | JdGordon: We are coming to your items |
| 14:43:03 | Rob2223 | funman: but you had that problem, too |
| 14:43:04 | Rob2223 | ? |
| 14:43:12 | * | Zagor just added a "revision - date - author" line to all wiki pages |
| 14:43:41 | petur | [meeting resumed] |
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| 14:45:17 | funman | Do you want me to take the christmas-jones build client down until red/yellow are fixed ? |
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| 14:46:01 | Zagor | funman: are those "your fault"? |
| 14:46:11 | funman | no |
| 14:46:39 | funman | the exotic configuration of the build client just highlights new things which need investigating |
| 14:48:22 | notlistening | Domonoky, bluebrother we are looking about 800k for the download |
| 14:48:39 | notlistening | only for windows |
| 14:49:24 | bluebrother | that's a bit, but if only done when using it it's ok imo. |
| 14:49:35 | bluebrother | Rockbox binaries are usually bigger. |
| 14:50:44 | Domonoky | notlistening: isnt it 800k for all OS with Wine ? :-) |
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| 14:51:26 | notlistening | actually Domonoky you know how it works better than me I was thinking about the client |
| 14:51:35 | notlistening | your right 800k all round |
| 14:51:42 | bluebrother | doesn't that require wine to be installed too? |
| 14:51:59 | notlistening | yeah horrible i know |
| 14:52:25 | notlistening | can cut it to 400/500k i think |
| 14:52:27 | Zagor | funman: if it is a configuration we support, I think it should stay |
| 14:52:30 | Domonoky | bluebrother: sure, you need wine to run open-sapi on other OS, but the code already checks and informs the user. |
| 14:52:53 | Domonoky | the client is Qt code, so thats builtin and isnt big. |
| 14:53:29 | bluebrother | I'll need to check that later (after the talk) |
| 14:53:41 | notlistening | and if it was not so illegal to do it you can now run the server anywhere and do your TTS online |
| 14:54:21 | notlistening | as long as the client can accpet an audio data stream |
| 14:54:36 | notlistening | future developments i think |
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| 14:55:57 | notlistening | Let me do some more bug hunting then i will upload a new server packaged up and give you some changes that will make it more reliable for rbutil |
| 14:57:41 | pixelma | funman, Zagor: the warnings there are also present on cygwin or cross-compiled sim builds. I believe it was already investigated but not easy to fix (except silencing) but can't remember the details. Not sure about the red though |
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| 14:58:50 | Zagor | the red is odd. funman, what exactly is exotic about your config? |
| 14:59:52 | funman | 4 3GHz cores |
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| 15:00:06 | * | bluebrother would say the "it's a mac" part is :) |
| 15:00:11 | petur | that's not exotic, mine is similar |
| 15:00:26 | funman | thanks then, i have another idea (which is related to the 'mac' part) |
| 15:00:29 | petur | (4*3GHz cores that is) |
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| 15:00:30 | Zagor | funman: surely a quad cpu doesn't cause "Unknown pseudo-op: .rept" |
| 15:00:43 | funman | Zagor: oh didn't see that one, was only looking at plugin bitmaps |
| 15:01:22 | funman | for this perhaps we can ask ffmpeg people, i have seen some discussion about assembler punctuated by "FUCK YOU APPLE" on their mailing list |
| 15:01:23 | bluebrother | do we have other build clients running on Mac? I even failed to build the toolchain on Mac (10.6) |
| 15:01:25 | Zagor | the pluginbitmaps looks like a Makefile bug |
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| 15:02:23 | pixelma | bluebrother: I believe JdGordon once did |
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| 15:06:43 | funman | osx assembler doesn't support '.rept' macro used in libdemac MMX code - I'll just make the client not able to build sims |
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| 15:17:00 | JdGordon | bluebrother: iirc lambda has a working cross compiler.. i havnt got one going on my mac |
| 15:17:19 | bluebrother | on commit templates, what about making commit messages more git friendly? |
| 15:17:36 | pixelma | current manuals don't build because latex goofs on some of the icelandic characters of the translator's name... |
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| 15:18:38 | pixelma | daily manual page lists ones for June 5th but if you actually look at a pdf it has yesterday's date |
| 15:19:59 | funman | bluebrother: one title line, blank line, then longer description ? |
| 15:20:23 | bluebrother | funman: yes, and keeping lines below 80 characters. I've started to like that format pretty much |
| 15:20:25 | JdGordon | no you shoukdt be on the rsb to invoke it |
| 15:20:46 | Zagor | no, we meant be on the committers list |
| 15:20:52 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:21:05 | funman | bluebrother: yes IMO loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong line commit logs are painfull to read |
| 15:21:45 | bluebrother | especially if they are longer than your monitors width :) |
| 15:22:03 | JdGordon | 80 char wide commt messages! |
| 15:22:10 | JdGordon | or 140char max to fit in twitter! |
| 15:22:23 | bluebrother | nah, that 140 characters is stupid |
| 15:22:32 | petur | if the commit is an FS patch, a short description should be enough I think. Commit blah blah (FS #abcd) by <name> |
| 15:22:46 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 15:23:11 | * | JdGordon is chekcing |
| 15:23:11 | gevaerts | JdGordon: how many people voted for the RSB last time? |
| 15:23:12 | bluebrother | however, having a short description (in a separate paragraph) so one doesn't need to look it up on FS is definitely useful |
| 15:23:17 | JdGordon | 25 |
| 15:23:39 | gevaerts | That's *lots*! |
| 15:23:57 | pixelma | petur: it's not that nice if people have to look up at a different place (and there was some comment in that direction last time in iIRC) |
| 15:24:42 | JdGordon | gevaerts: hardly *lots*... hardly a quorum... |
| 15:25:05 | * | amiconn (nearly) always uses single line commit msgs because he uses -m and no editor |
| 15:25:17 | gevaerts | JdGordon: of developers, maybe not. Of developers who have done anything during the last three or six months though I think it is |
| 15:25:29 | JdGordon | true |
| 15:25:39 | funman | amiconn: you can actually use linebreaks with \n |
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| 15:26:20 | amiconn | funman: Iirc I tried it once, and the \n ended up as a literal instead of causing a line break |
| 15:26:28 | * | bluebrother tries to get the manuals building again |
| 15:26:38 | pixelma | petur: maybe it's also a question how descriptive the first part is - not just link flyspray and author name |
| 15:26:42 | JdGordon | my biggest problem with the commit template is needing to find an old commit which used it to copy |
| 15:27:10 | Domonoky | see r26558, \n doesnt work in -m |
| 15:27:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: great, thanks :) |
| 15:28:05 | JdGordon | if you cant say what the commit does in one or two lines then the full message should be in the mailing list or tracker |
| 15:28:08 | petur | pixelma: the short desc should be able to say what it is about. You can still add more info after that. It was about making sure the first line contained 1) a short description 2) FS#, 3) actual author |
| 15:28:17 | JdGordon | a template for FS commits would be ok though |
| 15:28:28 | Zagor | "<description> FS #12387 by <patch author>" |
| 15:28:42 | petur | yup |
| 15:28:43 | AlexP | seems fine |
| 15:29:33 | JdGordon | FS# on the first line would be better for the bot |
| 15:30:31 | bluebrother | FS #1234 should be easily be catchable by a regex regardless of its position in the text |
| 15:30:42 | n1s | could CIA post more of the commit message? |
| 15:30:55 | pixelma | petur: maybe the thing that I remember and which bothered be was just a simple "Commit FS# by whomever" without context except the actual diff |
| 15:31:03 | bluebrother | pixelma: fixed it (by switching the fontenc to T1), but that makes the headings font lighter :o |
| 15:31:28 | bluebrother | I in fact would like CIA to post only the first line, and the commit messages having a summary in the first line :) |
| 15:31:33 | amiconn | CIA can post the full msg. It's used this way by other projects (e.g. in #quassel) |
| 15:31:38 | petur | pixelma: yes, I don't like that either, it should have a short description as a minimum. |
| 15:34:37 | bluebrother | pixelma: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/mig/albums/rockbox/rockbox-manual-fontenc.jpg |
| 15:35:01 | bluebrother | but why on earth does changing the fontenc remove the dot after the chapter number? |
| 15:35:17 | bluebrother | pixelma: (right is new, left is last version from rockbox.org) |
| 15:35:40 | bluebrother | hmm, I should check if that font change is related to my setup |
| 15:36:43 | pixelma | are you sure that this difference is caused by your fontenc changed (not some other difference in build environment)? I'm asking because it looks lighter generally |
| 15:37:02 | bluebrother | ok, the dot is caused by my setup. The font differences are caused by the fontenc change |
| 15:37:26 | pixelma | I wouldn't mind that much either way. It's still very ovious which is headline and better than broken anytime |
| 15:39:34 | pixelma | obvious too |
| 15:40:25 | * | bluebrother compares rendering of xpdf with okular |
| 15:40:53 | AlexP | AUB? |
| 15:40:56 | AlexP | er, AOB |
| 15:41:08 | bluebrother | AOB? |
| 15:41:52 | AlexP | any other business |
| 15:43:15 | bluebrother | don't you want to leave something for tomorrow? ;-) |
| 15:43:22 | JdGordon | AlexP: forcing posible ocntentious topics to the ml instead of irc |
| 15:43:31 | JdGordon | the email i sent to -commiters |
| 15:43:50 | Stummi | can i tell an plugin to print out something to the console, if it running in the simulator? |
| 15:44:07 | Domonoky | Stummi: use debugf() |
| 15:44:20 | bluebrother | hmm, rendering in OS X' Preview is noticably better than in xpdf / okular :/ |
| 15:44:32 | AlexP | JdGordon: OK |
| 15:45:19 | bluebrother | and zooming the view in okular makes it nicer too. Seems zooming is quite bad then. |
| 15:45:29 | Zagor | JdGordon: we discussed that briefly, and it's a good idea but nobody felt any rule or some such is needed |
| 15:45:35 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:47:43 | bluebrother | pixelma: I'm going to commit that fix. If it results in serious issues with the font rendering we can look at that afterwards. |
| 15:48:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'll test then on the two setups I have access to from here. |
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| 15:54:53 | JdGordon | yeah, more ppl are needed for the tracker cleanup weeks.. not more weeks |
| 15:55:39 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26578): Change font encoding to T1. ... |
| 15:56:01 | * | scorche|sh wonders about http://twitter.com/pvagner/status/15431188159 |
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| 15:56:36 | bluebrother | about the tweet or the project? |
| 15:56:41 | scorche|sh | the tweet |
| 15:56:44 | scorche|sh | i replies |
| 15:56:54 | scorche|sh | s/replies/replied |
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| 16:08:36 | pixelma | bluebrother: is tex no "calculating" some characters itself? It now takes aaaaages on cygwin, I'm not even sure if it is stuck in some loop or not |
| 16:09:41 | pixelma | manual builds were ok-ish before |
| 16:10:08 | bluebrother | pixelma: it creates a font cache. With the changed encoding it has to recalculates some stuff. |
| 16:10:19 | bluebrother | it should be back to normal speed the next time you build. |
| 16:10:19 | pixelma | every time? |
| 16:11:29 | pixelma | or each time after a "make clean" - or is it just this one time? |
| 16:12:02 | bluebrother | no, that cache is Tex-global |
| 16:13:16 | pixelma | do I have to worry about "/usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexupd: /var/cache/fonts/ls-R unwritable" lines? |
| 16:13:26 | bluebrother | pixelma: you should see lines in the output containing stuff like "This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.6)" |
| 16:13:38 | bluebrother | if you get this it's building the font information. |
| 16:14:13 | bluebrother | hmm, not sure. That sounds like it could interfere with saving cached data. |
| 16:14:36 | pixelma | ok I'll check properties |
| 16:15:08 | pixelma | the Web2C version slightly differs for me (7.5.4) |
| 16:16:25 | bertrik | I plan to make a tiny change to dbop-as3525.c, moving a delay in dbop_read_input to slightly earlier in the function |
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| 16:17:53 | bertrik | by the way, the problem with the radio on the c200v2 seems to somehow fixed itself sometime in the past few months :) |
| 16:18:43 | bertrik | (I'll fix the wiki, I promise :) ) |
| 16:19:19 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: the Web2C version differing is not a problem. METAFONT getting called is the important part :) |
| 16:19:34 | bluebroth3r | meeting over it seems? |
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| 16:20:11 | bertrik | bluebrother, yes |
| 16:20:20 | bertrik | we're now going to the beer shop |
| 16:20:38 | funman | did someone just steal 1MB from audio buffer last 5 days ? |
| 16:23:01 | JdGordon | not me! |
| 16:23:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: are you sure? ;) |
| 16:23:42 | JdGordon | yes :p |
| 16:23:49 | funman | fear me when i'll bissect which revision left the clipv1 with only -(minus)256kB audiobuffer left |
| 16:24:29 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you try out the skin break patch ont he ml? it is ready to go now. |
| 16:24:45 | JdGordon | Domonoky: so whats the plan for the theme site? |
| 16:25:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: ok, really didn't have the permissions to change the file and changed it now. Let's see |
| 16:25:37 | pixelma | is there a chance it gets created (or recreated) at some point in time? |
| 16:25:59 | bluebrother | I think LaTeX should create it automatically. |
| 16:26:16 | bluebrother | but that's LaTeX internals I'm not familiar with :) |
| 16:26:18 | Domonoky | JdGordon: looks like the only fast solution is copiing it. But i dont know how todo that :-) |
| 16:26:52 | bluebrother | Domonoky, JdGordon: I'll try to look into the theme site code tonight. |
| 16:27:13 | pixelma | bluebrother: last changed in March 2009 so should be safe for a while. I just wondered if there is "danger" I lose the property change again |
| 16:27:20 | * | bluebrother really wants a good solution for that issue |
| 16:27:55 | bluebrother | pixelma: the worst think I could imagine is that LaTeX tries to recreate that file on each run, making it slower. |
| 16:28:02 | pixelma | looks a lot better now already |
| 16:28:49 | JdGordon | bluebrother: sweet :) I'm ready to go as soon as we know whats happening there.. assuming we out right will not change the syntax without the theme site eing supported? |
| 16:28:55 | pixelma | yes, and on cygwin that is slower by a factor (didn't measure but seemed to be a lot) |
| 16:30:01 | pixelma | I have some weird property issues sometimes in this environment anyways, maybe it needs setting up again |
| 16:30:05 | bluebrother | IMO it should be possible to make the manual build on Windows outside of cygwin by using MinGW + MikTeX. Haven't put any effort into looking into that though −− using Linux is simpler :) |
| 16:30:37 | JdGordon | ah bugger... I just spotted a bug in the update script :/ |
| 16:33:22 | JdGordon | nope :) user error... |
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| 16:42:38 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26579): Enable info about the Iaudio remote keymapping in the M5 and X5 manual. Only 'actions' are included now, it still needs a check for accuracy and ... |
| 16:52:02 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r26580): set svn properties. |
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| 17:00:56 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r26581): pdbox: Moved all global variables in pdbox.c to IRAM. |
| 17:01:43 | gevaerts | Can people have a look at http://pastie.org/993041 and shout if I made a mistake? |
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| 17:03:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r26582): Set svn:mime-type to application/octet-stream for all uisimulator bitmaps |
| 17:05:28 | gevaerts | (those are my meeting notes) |
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| 17:08:33 | n1s | gevaerts: "503 Service Unavailable" |
| 17:08:46 | n1s | ah now it works |
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| 17:09:24 | funman | i think sed regular expression used to generate plugin bitmap header names causes undefined behaviour, and use GNU extensions |
| 17:10:02 | Stummi | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11356 my first commit. I hope I did all right |
| 17:10:18 | n1s | sounds likely, use of gnu extensions has caused trouble for exotic platforms before :) |
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| 17:12:24 | n1s | gevaerts: "iriver bootloader: someone will get one" get one what? (i haven't followed the discussion so if this isn't intended to be public, feel free to ignore me :)) |
| 17:13:08 | gevaerts | n1s: right, the agenda should probably be interleaved :) |
| 17:13:14 | gevaerts | "bdm wiggler" |
| 17:13:47 | Torne | Stummi: The controls for the simulator are supposed to be the same as the target.. |
| 17:13:53 | Torne | Stummi: otherwise it's not a very good simulation |
| 17:14:11 | * | gevaerts looks for a volunteer to transform his notes into proper minutes that people can understand :) |
| 17:14:14 | Torne | if this doesn't map to a particularly comfortable set of keys on your keyboard to play some game then tat's not really a problem.. |
| 17:14:19 | Torne | it's just unfortunate :) |
| 17:14:30 | Torne | Can you post a patch with just the increasing difficulty level in it? |
| 17:14:36 | Torne | taht sounds like a good idea |
| 17:14:50 | Stummi | ok :) |
| 17:15:02 | bertrik | I'm quite sure I have a Wiggler like this one: http://www.olimex.com/dev/arm-jtag.html |
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| 17:22:42 | Stummi | Torne: I addet a new diff without the controls-part |
| 17:22:51 | Stummi | as comment |
| 17:23:13 | bertrik | did anyone bring a sansa dock to devcon? |
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| 17:27:49 | Stummi | how are the entries sorted in firefly? |
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| 17:34:36 | Zagor | Stummi: do you mean flyspray? |
| 17:35:30 | Zagor | if so, you click the headers to sort |
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| 17:39:42 | funman | JdGordon: can you explain the last hunk of r21877 ? |
| 17:41:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26584): FS #11354 - A few more islenska.lang fixes by Hinrik Örn Sigurðsson fixing a few more source and target mismatches with english.lang in the icelandic ... |
| 17:43:10 | Stummi | Zagor: erm.. yes i mean *shame* :D |
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| 17:44:30 | gevaerts | n1s: does http://pastie.org/993066 help? |
| 17:44:32 | Torne | Stummi: i'll try your change out later, anyway |
| 17:45:17 | Stummi | ok, thanks |
| 17:47:44 | n1s | gevaerts: yes |
| 17:48:45 | gevaerts | great :) |
| 17:51:37 | n1s | rasher: i think FS #8456 can be closed, close to 2 years since the last update and waiting more than 1 year for a status update should be enough :) |
| 17:52:34 | * | n1s stumbles over FS #9067 and wonders where midgey has gone |
| 17:54:02 | Zagor | alexp has volunteered to wade through the sea of patches and do some clean-up work |
| 17:54:25 | gevaerts | We'll make sure he doesn't forget |
| 17:54:31 | n1s | i saw that from gevaerts' notes, very nicve of him :) |
| 17:54:34 | AlexP | I've already started! |
| 17:54:58 | n1s | will he also complete and commit the good but unfinished ones? ;) |
| 17:55:31 | Zagor | well, obviously! |
| 17:55:50 | AlexP | er, yes.... |
| 17:57:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r26585): Move delay a bit in dbop_read_input for ams sansa targets using the DBOP port for button readout |
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| 18:00:18 | Zagor | right, any preferences for a name of the new arm-eabi architecture? |
| 18:00:53 | n1s | what's wrong with "arm-eabi"? or did i misunderstand the question? |
| 18:01:19 | Zagor | no, that's one option. someone suggested maybe arm-gcc44 or something like that. |
| 18:01:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26586): cabbiev2 128x64x1 (r)wps: ... |
| 18:01:57 | AlexP | pixelma: http://pastie.org/982548 |
| 18:02:04 | n1s | yes, inluding the major gcc version could be nice, maybe arm-eabi-gcc44? |
| 18:02:09 | gevaerts | arm-eabi is fine, but I think arm-gcc44 might be better in the long ter, |
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| 18:02:33 | Zagor | gevaerts: well, if it's better why not use that from the start? please elaborate. |
| 18:02:57 | Zagor | did anyone make a webcam who's-who picture yet? |
| 18:03:30 | gevaerts | I'd prefer arm-gcc44 (or arm-eabi-gcc44), but I can live with arm-eabi |
| 18:03:37 | funman | Zagor: I need a SD card reader and i'll do it |
| 18:03:55 | Zagor | funman: great |
| 18:04:35 | Zagor | btw rockboxdev.sh actually installs compilers the wrong way. I've been meaning to fix that... |
| 18:05:26 | kugel | I think the compiler version should be in the string |
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| 18:06:22 | kugel | for instance, a few weeks ago we used 4.4.3, then upgraded to 4.4.4. it would make it easier to upgrade for minor versions updates |
| 18:06:47 | Zagor | yeah it makes sense I guess |
| 18:09:08 | Zagor | so arm-eabi-gcc444 then |
| 18:10:16 | kugel | yes, that'S nice |
| 18:12:29 | n1s | sounds good |
| 18:17:22 | Zagor | I'll rewrite rockboxdev.sh a bit, then add arm-eabi-gcc444 to the buildmaster |
| 18:17:41 | n1s | nice |
| 18:18:52 | n1s | it would be awesome if some kind of advanced or custom mode could be added so you could specify versions to build interactively |
| 18:19:08 | gevaerts | DevConEuro2010 updated with my notes |
| 18:19:19 | Zagor | n1s: umm, can't you already? |
| 18:19:40 | Zagor | echo "Select target arch:" |
| 18:19:46 | Zagor | selarch=`input` |
| 18:20:30 | n1s | i mean, say tell it to build a m68k-elf gcc 4.5.0 with binutils 2.20 |
| 18:20:45 | Zagor | oh. when do we want that? |
| 18:21:03 | n1s | when experimenting with new toolchains :) |
| 18:21:06 | Zagor | heh |
| 18:21:09 | n1s | not very often |
| 18:21:36 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26587): Fix PLA_EXIT and PLA_CANCEL for the Iaudio M5 and X5, make them more intuitive and add the missing remote actions for it at the same time. |
| 18:21:39 | Zagor | I'll make the lines you need to modify stand out in the script :) |
| 18:22:12 | n1s | good enough :) |
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| 18:24:45 | funman | i let you fix the remaining yellow from christmas-jones :o) |
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| 18:26:11 | bertrik | does anyone at devcon have a clip+ with radio detection problems (there was someone on the forum reporting this)? |
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| 18:27:29 | gevaerts | kugel: http://www.armadeus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tslib |
| 18:28:06 | Zagor | kugel: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18553 |
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| 18:29:28 | pamaury | bertrik: I have a clip+ but didn't the radio yet, can try if you want |
| 18:29:42 | pamaury | *didn't try |
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| 18:37:50 | kugel | Zagor: what about it? |
| 18:38:00 | Zagor | kugel: sorry, that was meant for funman |
| 18:40:27 | * | bertrik borrowed a clip+ from pamaury and will try to fix radio on it |
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| 18:41:35 | AlexP | rasher: are you planning to do anything with this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5519 |
| 18:50:30 | r0b- | bertrik i know i am having radio issues |
| 18:51:52 | AlexP | bluebrother: Would you still like to do something with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5737 ? |
| 18:54:59 | bluebrother | AlexP: yes, I still want to get that functionality. |
| 18:55:11 | AlexP | OK |
| 18:55:49 | bluebrother | the only thing (besides syncing) I'm not too sure about is if the file format is ok. IMO it should, as saved games are incompatible to the .ss file already. |
| 18:57:00 | bluebrother | Stummi: can you please create diffs from the Rockbox checkout root, preferably using svn diff? That makes applying easier. |
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| 18:58:44 | Stummi | ok, mom |
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| 19:05:14 | Stummi | bluebrother: using the trunk-dir as checkout-root? |
| 19:05:33 | Stummi | so, that the path ist app/plugins/... |
| 19:07:55 | Llorean | If Jewels is going to have progressive difficulty it may make sense to have it as a different game mode and optional if it's not such in the patch (much like the Puzzle mode) |
| 19:08:37 | Zagor | isn't libgcc always installed by the gcc build? why is it added explicitly to arm-elf-eabi? |
| 19:11:17 | kugel | Zagor: you mean the make commands? |
| 19:11:21 | Zagor | yes |
| 19:12:01 | kugel | Zagor: plain make doesn't work because it pulls in exception handling. the make commands for 4.4.4 is what they suggested on the gcc-help ml |
| 19:12:13 | kugel | for bare metal |
| 19:12:15 | Stummi | bluebrother: i submittet the new patch now |
| 19:12:28 | Zagor | surely there's a configure option to disable exceptions? |
| 19:12:32 | Zagor | I'll take a look |
| 19:12:56 | kugel | I and Unhelpful haven't found one, hence also the extended gcc patch |
| 19:13:11 | Zagor | oddness |
| 19:13:15 | Stummi | Llorean: this idea seems to be plausible.. I will do that with the next patch |
| 19:17:26 | kugel | Zagor: there are some threads (some of them started by me) about the issues we had with compiling gcc on the gcc-help ml |
| 19:17:53 | Zagor | ok |
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| 19:29:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26591): Add a mapping for the PLA_EXIT action for Iriver remote and provide it in the manual as well. |
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| 19:30:20 | XPANSiVE | How is USB coming along on the AMS Sansas? I hate having to go into the OF. |
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| 19:31:04 | funman | it is coming fine, just not yet |
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| 19:32:52 | XPANSiVE | Ok, I'll wait... |
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| 19:38:16 | bertrik | r0b-, have you opened your clip+ already by any chance |
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| 19:44:37 | Buschel | can someone with a CF target please check whether mpc still plays fine with http://www.pastebin.org/310326 ? |
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| 19:45:05 | Buschel | just some beautification, but I would like to have a short test |
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| 19:47:45 | n1s | Buschel: sure |
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| 19:48:55 | Buschel_ | n1s: great. it will either play fine or produce crap −− so an easy one to test :) |
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| 19:51:08 | n1s | plays fine on h300 |
| 19:51:23 | Buschel | perfect :) thanks! |
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| 19:52:33 | CIA-6 | New commit by Buschel (r26592): Some asm code beautification in the mpc decoder. |
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| 20:02:06 | Stummi | http://codepad.org/htTmv2ZR building the compiler fails on OS X. Do I need something special to do it? (on debian it worked out of the box) |
| 20:04:28 | n1s | did you build with rockboxdev.sh? |
| 20:04:33 | Stummi | yes |
| 20:06:09 | bluebrother | Stummi: are you on 10.6? |
| 20:06:27 | Stummi | 10.6.3 |
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| 20:09:42 | Traveler | when compiling I'm getting the error "plugin_ram is full" |
| 20:09:54 | bluebrother | I've had the same problem on OS X. Haven't found any solution for it yet. |
| 20:10:04 | bluebrother | if you figure it please let me know :) |
| 20:10:21 | Zagor | Traveler: more details please |
| 20:10:21 | pixelma | Traveler: what are you compiling (SVN version, patches?) and which target? |
| 20:11:04 | Stummi | ... and which os ;) |
| 20:11:51 | Traveler | I was compiling espeak (I know its unsupported) on ubuntu 10.4 for sansa c200V2 |
| 20:12:20 | n1s | Traveler: it just means the plugin is too big, so you need to increase the plugin buffer size |
| 20:12:26 | Traveler | searched online which suggested make clean, but that hasn't done anything. |
| 20:12:58 | Traveler | ok cool, is the plugin buffer in plugin.c? |
| 20:12:59 | Zagor | Traveler: the code you are compiling is simply too big to fit in the plugin area. no simple trick can fix that. |
| 20:13:27 | Zagor | ...except enlarging the plugin buffer, of course |
| 20:13:54 | Traveler | so its safe to assume the plugin buffer varies from player to player? |
| 20:14:04 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:14:25 | Zagor | it's the PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE, defined in firmware/export/config/<player>.h |
| 20:15:12 | Zagor | sansav200v2.h in your case |
| 20:15:15 | Traveler | ok thank you |
| 20:15:20 | Zagor | sansac200v2.h even |
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| 20:19:12 | * | bluebrother wonders what Traveler wants to do that needs that much of plugin space |
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| 20:20:42 | Zagor | espeak |
| 20:20:59 | bluebrother | ah. |
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| 20:21:13 | bluebrother | speaking of TTS, what's up with archivator? Exams? |
| 20:21:27 | bertrik | the clip plus I have right here seems to have some mystery radio chip |
| 20:22:14 | bertrik | it's responding on i2c address 0x10 (we see that address in the OF too), but the data doesn't seem to match the si4702 tuner that we know is used in other ams sansas |
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| 20:31:05 | bluebrother | Domonoky: is there an easy way to make a basic theme site setup (with some content of course) on my machine? That README sounds like it's quite a bit of work :o |
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| 20:49:01 | Zagor | christ, gcc 4.4 builds libgcc for a dozen different arms, for thumb _and_ arm mode |
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| 21:44:18 | Stummi | somebody here with graphic skills who could add some jewels in apps/plugins/bitmaps/jewels.*.bmp? |
| 21:44:47 | Stummi | +/native/ |
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| 21:47:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26593): Theme Editor: Got save/save-as functionality working and added Tango icons to the toolbar |
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| 22:02:07 | bluebrother | Stummi: aren't there already jewels? :o |
| 22:02:22 | Stummi | *some more jewels ;) |
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| 22:05:32 | notlistening | Domonoky, right the task was updated a new upload and some better specs and code I hope |
| 22:13:45 | * | bluebrother can now measure the power consumption of USB devices |
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| 22:24:24 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i have some vmware image somewhere with the themesite.. (its a bit buggy but should work for testing) |
| 22:24:30 | * | Domonoky goes searching... |
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| 22:27:12 | notlistening | Domonoky, I'll be around for any question on e-mail irc etc I did recode the changes that have been made to the TTS in rbutil but ended up getting into a mess with it :P |
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| 22:27:43 | Domonoky | notlistening: i will look at it later today.. |
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| 22:40:23 | gevaerts | can anyone suggest a good name for hotswap.c? It has nothing at all to do with hotswapping, the only function in there is card_extract_bits(), which does something for sd and mmc |
| 22:40:30 | Zagor | funman: grr, why do your compilers complain way more than anybody elses? |
| 22:41:39 | gevaerts | in general, is there a good short name for "a card system of the sd and mmc family"? |
| 22:42:23 | Bagder | "sdmmc" ;-) |
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| 22:43:11 | Zagor | I think "sdcard" is good enough even if it covers mmc too |
| 22:43:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26594): New USB charging system, part 2 - "Force" charging mode ... |
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| 22:45:46 | kugel | gevaerts: maybe sd-mmc-common.c? |
| 22:46:14 | * | gevaerts doesn't like getting three different ideas :) |
| 22:46:29 | * | bluebrother wonders if he cut the right wire |
| 22:46:37 | Zagor | keep it short and sweet |
| 22:47:00 | saratoga | MMC is a dead format anyway so it probabyl doesn't matter |
| 22:47:18 | Bagder | "visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored" seems to be funman's compiler not liking the gcc attribute "hidden" |
| 22:47:19 | saratoga | Torne: does the charging rework fix the ipod 5g charging issue? |
| 22:47:22 | gevaerts | Zagor: well, Bagder's proposal is one character less |
| 22:47:27 | bluebrother | nano2g always shows 100mA, mini2g always 85mA, even with FS#880 |
| 22:47:30 | funman | Zagor: yellow might be from gcc configuration scripts detecting darwin (osx) as the target and not the host |
| 22:47:37 | funman | (just supposing) |
| 22:48:05 | funman | Bagder: afaict from reading shortly gcc doc 'visibility' attribute support depends of the target machine |
| 22:48:10 | * | bertrik is starting to make some sense of the mystery clip+ radio chip |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | #elif defined(__GNUC__) && ((__GNUC__*100 + __GNUC_MINOR__) >= 302) && \ |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | defined(__ELF__) |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | #define LUAI_FUNC__attribute__((visibility("hidden"))) extern |
| 22:48:47 | Zagor | gevaerts: yeah but mine is sweeter B) |
| 22:49:46 | Bagder | isn't visibility about elf mostly? |
| 22:50:11 | Zagor | funman: surely if it was compiled for wrong target, a lot more things would go wrong? |
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| 22:50:31 | gevaerts | Zagor: I'll accept your proposal. Bagder isn't close enough to "convince" me :) |
| 22:50:41 | * | Zagor lets go of gevaerts arm |
| 22:51:00 | Torne | saratoga: i've not added any code for any new players yet |
| 22:51:24 | Bagder | in linux, they call it mmc |
| 22:51:25 | gevaerts | Zagor: hm, we already have sd.c. Won't this create confusion? |
| 22:51:26 | Torne | saratoga: so right now only h300, nano2g and gigabeat s have usb charging configurable/supported |
| 22:51:33 | gevaerts | We also have mmc.c |
| 22:51:36 | Zagor | heh |
| 22:51:42 | Bagder | well drivers/mmc/sd.c |
| 22:51:45 | Torne | saratoga: but this is all the fundamental work i wanted to do before working on support for more players. |
| 22:51:57 | * | gevaerts goes for sdmmc |
| 22:52:01 | Torne | saratoga: so, next on my todo list is to make charging work first on ipodvideo and then on any otehr ipods people have here at devcon |
| 22:52:06 | Zagor | gevaerts: card.c? :) |
| 22:52:19 | Torne | saratoga: so.. maybe for some models this weekend, yes |
| 22:52:46 | Torne | bluebrother: nano2g should have working charging |
| 22:52:58 | Torne | bluebrother: even before my commits today. my changes today will make it slightly safer/spec-compliant |
| 22:53:10 | Torne | bluebrother: you need to enable it, though, it defaults to off |
| 22:53:25 | Torne | talking of which, now i've made usb charging safe (unless you set it to force) i should change the default to on |
| 22:53:33 | Torne | well, for some value of safe |
| 22:53:35 | Torne | safe-ish |
| 22:53:43 | Torne | "unlikely to cause housefires" |
| 22:57:12 | funman | asm("HCF\n"); |
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| 23:00:21 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26595): New USB charging system, part 3 (end of rework) - Default to usb charging on ... |
| 23:05:44 | Torne | there we go. |
| 23:05:49 | Torne | now time to work out ipodvideo charging |
| 23:06:03 | Torne | and/or drink the rest of this expensive rum |
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| 23:08:02 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26596): Fix EOL style |
| 23:08:26 | | Quit ender` (Quit: 00 little bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code, fix one bug, compile it again, 102 little bugs in the code, 102 little bugs in the code... (Coder's Ditty)) |
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| 23:09:13 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26597): Fix wrongly nested commenting |
| 23:10:41 | notlistening | funman, clip+ reset again and again when you have external power or usb is that a bootloader update..? |
| 23:12:18 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26598): remane hotswap.* to sdmmc.*. The contents have nothing at all to do with hotswapping things |
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| 23:15:11 | * | gevaerts shouldn't have made a typo in that commit message |
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| 23:16:18 | Bagder | right, revert it and commit it again without typo! ;-P |
| 23:17:00 | notlistening | Domonoky, cool i am here now will watch a movie, so just drop me a line |
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| 23:18:31 | funman | notlistening: it will work if you patch OF with next (not yet released) version of mkamsboot / rbutil |
| 23:18:53 | Domonoky | notlistening: i guess the server wont like it, if i call the voice thing in paralell for open-sapi right ? |
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| 23:24:15 | Zagor | hmm, the "proper" way to install gcc is to use prefix /usr/local. this puts all the binaries in /usr/local/bin which avoids having to change your path |
| 23:24:35 | Zagor | on the other hand, that makes it a little bit more difficult to remove an installed compiler |
| 23:27:10 | Zagor | any opinions? |
| 23:27:55 | Bagder | opinions for what? |
| 23:28:21 | Bagder | default path for what compiler? |
| 23:28:55 | Zagor | rockboxdev.sh-installed ones |
| 23:29:21 | Bagder | my opinion: leave them as they are, have worked fine for ages by now |
| 23:30:11 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 23:30:27 | bluebrother | as an add-on, the binaries could get symlinks put into /usr/local/bin |
| 23:30:41 | bluebrother | or would gcc choke on that? |
| 23:30:58 | Bagder | I think that works fine |
| 23:31:59 | kugel | Zagor: isn't that the default installation directory? |
| 23:32:16 | Zagor | kugel: no, current default is /usr/local/<target> |
| 23:34:19 | kugel | Zagor: ah right. /usr/local doesn't seem bad |
| 23:34:38 | Zagor | I tweaked the script a bit, cutting off ~25%. but I'll put up a patch for discussion first. |
| 23:34:48 | Bagder | most default systems these days don't have /usr/local/bin in the path |
| 23:35:07 | kugel | ubuntu has |
| 23:35:12 | Bagder | really? |
| 23:35:16 | Zagor | Bagder: no, my point was rather not having to add a path per architecture |
| 23:35:45 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11357 |
| 23:36:17 | Zagor | it's not a big issue for me, both ways have their advantages |
| 23:36:46 | Bagder | not a biggie for me either |
| 23:37:07 | Domonoky | notlistening: i just changed the patch for opensapi in rbutil, so it compiles again. But the following commands just timeout: getFormat, closeClient and killServer.. |
| 23:38:00 | kugel | Bagder: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games is the default PATH on ubuntu |
| 23:38:09 | Domonoky | notlistening: and when should i send the closeClient command ? shortly before the killServer command, or after every voice action ? |
| 23:38:23 | kugel | also, all self compiled software usually installs into /usr/local on ubuntu |
| 23:38:37 | Bagder | kugel: that's autoconf's default yes |
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| 23:39:15 | Bagder | I've still used ubuntu and debian based systems that didn't have /usr/local/bin by default |
| 23:39:23 | Bagder | not terribly important |
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| 23:40:57 | kugel | Zagor: I thought arm-eabi-gcc444 was only the string for the build clients for runclient.sh, looks a bit strange in rockboxdev.sh, but it's minor I guess |
| 23:41:25 | Zagor | kugel: yeah I figured it could be there as well, just as description. |
| 23:41:44 | kugel | Bagder: well, I never explicitely added /usr/local/bin, and all self compiled just worked so I assume it's in the defaults |
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| 23:42:48 | Zagor | kugel: but I guess the -gcc444 part is not really helpful |
| 23:43:21 | kugel | Zagor: the version might be helpful if it's presented as a version number :) |
| 23:48:34 | Zagor | the main thing right now is actuallt the gmp and mpfr fixes in that patch. we need those to make the script work standalone for eabi builds. |
| 23:48:51 | Llorean | What's the deal with the new text viewer program? |
| 23:48:54 | funman | configuring gcc 3.4.6 build on osx, targetting m68k-elf: |
| 23:48:59 | Llorean | Specifically, why's it not replacing the old one's filename? |
| 23:49:00 | funman | configure:10478: checking linker for .hidden support |
| 23:49:01 | funman | configure:10534: result: no |
| 23:49:07 | Llorean | Now people will often have an out of date text viewer on their players? |
| 23:49:42 | notlistening | Domonoky, just on it can't remember off the top of my head :D |
| 23:50:14 | funman | someone can build m68k compiler on linux and look in /tmp/rbdev-build/build-gcc-m/gcc/config.log ? you have to remove 'cleardir' from rockboxdev.sh to not the delete the build dir when compilation is done |
| 23:50:56 | GodEater | btw, in case anyone else is running 10.04 Ubuntu, I had to upgrade libgmp and mtfr, and install texinfo in order to get gcc-eabi to build on my client |
| 23:51:33 | funman | we could disable building docs |
| 23:51:39 | Zagor | GodEater: yeah, by patch fixes that |
| 23:51:44 | funman | who actually wants to read that :// |
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| 23:51:50 | Zagor | oh, not the docs though. |
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| 23:52:31 | notlistening | Domonoky, on killServer what are you sending as the command killServer? |
| 23:53:17 | GodEater | Zagor: do you mean "my" patch ? ;) |
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| 23:53:26 | Domonoky | notlistening: just "killServer" and i expect a 299 as response. |
| 23:54:01 | notlistening | Domonoky, closeClient is only ever sent from the server to the client, is it then your job to ask for the next bit of work, I applogise foe the bad naming |
| 23:54:15 | notlistening | killServer is working my end with that reponse |
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