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| 00:03:11 | saratoga | does rockboy steal the audio buffer? |
| 00:03:50 | Zagor | I would be surprised if it didn't |
| 00:03:57 | saratoga | GodEater: probably FS #11357 if you haven't seen it |
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| 00:04:21 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26599): Put an #ifdef in the technically correct place. No functional change. |
| 00:04:23 | GodEater | saratoga: sweet |
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| 00:05:14 | funman | saratoga: check my_malloc() in rockboy.c |
| 00:05:38 | djzn | are wavpack files encoded with -m -h perfectly playable in rockbox? (meaning MD5, High Compression) |
| 00:05:53 | funman | not sure what's the +4 for |
| 00:06:55 | GodEater | djzn: try and see? |
| 00:07:28 | djzn | GodEater: you tell me |
| 00:07:48 | saratoga | are these files any different then normal wavpack files? |
| 00:07:49 | GodEater | how? I don't have any. |
| 00:08:33 | djzn | saratoga: of course not... they are wavpack files |
| 00:10:06 | djzn | saratoga: wavpack has the fast mode, normal mode, high mode, and extreme high mode... the last one is not recommended for portables, because it requires vast amount of CPU... however, I was wondering if I stick with high mode, it will occour any trouble every now and then... |
| 00:10:53 | saratoga | well if you're not sure how they're different, then you should probably try it and see if theres any difference |
| 00:12:30 | djzn | saratoga: I don't have a portable... |
| 00:12:33 | Zagor | funman: configure:10478: checking linker for .hidden support |
| 00:12:33 | Zagor | configure:10534: result: yes |
| 00:12:35 | Torne | Unhelpful: we don't need FS #10430 any more do we? (eabi support, patch for rockboxdev.sh) |
| 00:12:41 | djzn | saratoga: I am thinking about getting a fuze though |
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| 00:12:53 | saratoga | djzn: post a file and i'll try it |
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| 00:13:02 | Zagor | funman: what is your host gcc? |
| 00:13:11 | djzn | saratoga: do you have ipod or fuze? |
| 00:13:18 | saratoga | hmm maybe i can just make one |
| 00:13:33 | saratoga | whats the command in wavpack? |
| 00:13:47 | Llorean | djzn: As a tip, asking if they're "playable in Rockbox" when what you're concerned about is performance isn't very useful. Specific players have very different performances (some can be as much as 5 or 6 times the speed of others, I think) |
| 00:13:54 | djzn | i have read that album art embedded, makes players choke... is it true, that is , is it a bad practice to embed it? |
| 00:13:55 | funman | i686-apple-darwin9 gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5493) |
| 00:14:04 | saratoga | it shouldn't matter |
| 00:14:31 | djzn | Llorean: yes, you're right, so I will narrow this down to iPod classic video and Sansa Fuze... |
| 00:14:35 | Zagor | funman: that could be it. I'm guessing most linux machines have a later version. |
| 00:14:58 | djzn | saratoga: the command i use is wavpack -m -h music.wav |
| 00:14:58 | Zagor | mine is on 4.4.2 for example |
| 00:15:05 | Zagor | 4.4.3 even |
| 00:15:38 | Llorean | djzn: "iPod Classic" and "iPod Video" are two different devices - Rockbox supports the latter but not the former |
| 00:15:50 | Llorean | The iPod video though is probably unlikely to do well with particularly CPU intensive formats. |
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| 00:16:34 | djzn | Llorean: yes, the video one i mean |
| 00:17:25 | funman | gcc checks for '.hidden' visibility in ld : on linux it works but not on osx - could also be related to gcc m4 using GNU features |
| 00:18:00 | * | Llorean doesn't know where the AMS Sansas stand on the overall speed hierarchy. |
| 00:18:14 | Llorean | I believe the Cowon D2 and Gigabeast are generally toward the top. |
| 00:18:32 | saratoga | well it plays fine on the ClipV2 |
| 00:18:48 | saratoga | though unless i'm missing something my build doesn't have a boost menu in the debug screen anymore? |
| 00:19:02 | bertrik | I think the clip didn't do so bad decoding ape compared to other targets |
| 00:19:18 | saratoga | the v2 is pretty good due to its very fast cpu |
| 00:20:06 | djzn | saratoga: did you just played the wv file? |
| 00:20:07 | saratoga | did we move the boost counter? i can't find it anywhere |
| 00:20:29 | funman | saratoga: AMSv2 have boost disabled |
| 00:20:38 | saratoga | ah yes |
| 00:20:40 | funman | running at 240MHz |
| 00:20:55 | saratoga | djzn: yeah |
| 00:21:33 | djzn | saratoga: the fuze? |
| 00:21:37 | saratoga | clipv2 |
| 00:21:48 | djzn | saratoga: hm! fuze will handle it |
| 00:21:58 | saratoga | well its the same CPU on the v2 fuze |
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| 00:22:11 | Llorean | It might be worth trying extreme high mode |
| 00:22:34 | djzn | saratoga: if the extreme high mode plays, then it plays anything... |
| 00:22:41 | Llorean | Since it's hard to predict whether any given sample is a good indicator of performance or not, at least seeing if the next one up still seems to play gives you a clue |
| 00:23:09 | djzn | saratoga: wavpack -hh -m music.wav |
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| 00:23:24 | Llorean | Though how much space is gained using wavpack vs FLAC's highest compression anyway? |
| 00:23:50 | djzn | Llorean: well, the High mode compresses about 8% more than FLAC -8 |
| 00:24:43 | saratoga | high needs 52MHz on PP |
| 00:25:04 | Llorean | 8% seems pretty high, I thought it was a lot less. |
| 00:25:39 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 00:25:57 | Llorean | Sounds like high is pretty much safe on anything Rockbox runs on then? |
| 00:26:14 | djzn | what about embedded art... |
| 00:26:17 | djzn | can it choke the player |
| 00:26:28 | Llorean | djzn: Saratoga told you it shouldn't matter. |
| 00:26:30 | Llorean | If it does, it's a bug. |
| 00:27:13 | djzn | well, it matters because... i read in the very rockbox documentation |
| 00:27:18 | djzn | that you shouldn't use it |
| 00:27:34 | djzn | however, until which point that can be true or outdated, i am lost |
| 00:27:43 | saratoga | in wavpack? |
| 00:27:52 | djzn | yes |
| 00:27:57 | Llorean | djzn: Which documentation says this? |
| 00:27:59 | Llorean | Surely not the manual? |
| 00:28:12 | djzn | hold on |
| 00:28:56 | funman | if i run gcc's configure manually then m68k linker does support '.hidden' |
| 00:29:03 | djzn | from the FAQ: The database freezes when I try to initialize it, what would cause it to choke?The database does not handle embedded album art well, particularly if they're large. Try removing it. A corrupt file is another common reason for this. Verify your drives contents with checkdisk. |
| 00:29:21 | Llorean | Yes, it's a *bug* |
| 00:29:51 | Llorean | It shouldn't cause a problem, but it may. |
| 00:30:02 | saratoga | basically thats telling you how to trouble shoot bugs |
| 00:30:39 | djzn | 600x600 px art |
| 00:30:42 | funman | i disabled m68k builds on this client (bug 'fixed') |
| 00:30:45 | djzn | should be fine then |
| 00:32:13 | saratoga | people on ABI are still complaining that I swapped the quick screen and hold button combos |
| 00:32:24 | saratoga | does anyone have any ideas about the clip+ keymap |
| 00:32:30 | djzn | saratoga: wavpack high requires about 58Mhz, is that what you said |
| 00:32:39 | saratoga | i don't know, scroll up |
| 00:32:52 | djzn | saratoga: high needs 52MHz on PP |
| 00:33:02 | djzn | which would be the ceiling to choke |
| 00:33:15 | funman | saratoga: having hold being a combination is nice for accidental pocket push, although long press works too so i don't know |
| 00:33:35 | funman | people at devcon talked about quick setting but i didn't pay much attention |
| 00:33:37 | saratoga | the high setting in wavpack only seems a little slower then the normal setting FWIW |
| 00:33:49 | saratoga | i never use the quick screen so i'm not a good person to ask |
| 00:34:12 | djzn | saratoga: in what way slower |
| 00:36:23 | funman | saratoga: if someone really cleans the clip keymap and that putting back old combination for hold is part of the patch, then i don't mind |
| 00:36:42 | funman | i tried to incitate the people on ABI to do it but i think it didn't work :/ |
| 00:38:38 | djzn | saratoga: in what way did you mean slower... the UI gets slower? |
| 00:38:47 | funman | slower means less faster |
| 00:38:52 | saratoga | djzn: its a couple MHz slower |
| 00:39:18 | djzn | saratoga: Oh you mean the Mhz speed... I see, like 45Mhz |
| 00:39:48 | saratoga | funman: your closing message in the AMS thread seems to have sparked panic: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475691&postcount=540 |
| 00:39:50 | djzn | saratoga: but I should see then no difference, playing, browsing and skipping high mode files and normal mode files |
| 00:39:56 | saratoga | yes |
| 00:40:07 | saratoga | just a little less battery life |
| 00:40:33 | AlexP | pixelma: \note{When the cursor is on the input line, \ActionKbdSelect deletes the preceding character} |
| 00:40:36 | djzn | like 2 hours (normal) and 1:54 (high) |
| 00:40:41 | pixelma | thanks |
| 00:40:53 | saratoga | since the high and normal files are basically the same size i would just use normal |
| 00:41:25 | funman | saratoga: i suppose i could be a bit more clear |
| 00:41:48 | djzn | saratoga: reason for high is that is better than the highest flac setting |
| 00:42:06 | saratoga | better here seems pretty useless |
| 00:43:17 | djzn | saratoga: if it plays alright, then there is no trouble |
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| 00:44:54 | funman | saratoga: just edited the message |
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| 00:45:16 | djzn | saratoga: you would choose normal over high because of battery life |
| 00:45:27 | djzn | saratoga: because every second is precious..right |
| 00:45:48 | saratoga | yes, as I said before the high setting seems fairly useless |
| 00:47:37 | djzn | saratoga: not very well articulated that assumption... since I get a few Mhz more, and a little decrese on battery life... unless this is about 30 minutes LESS for a charge |
| 00:49:46 | GodEater | woohoo, all feature requests in flyspray are now closed! |
| 00:50:24 | bertrik | \o\ |o| /o/ |
| 00:52:08 | funman | saratoga: do you have a clipv1 with a working build? i'm bissecting some regression which gives -(minus) 250kB audio buffer and now at 26313 - which does a data abort at init |
| 00:52:48 | saratoga | funman: yes, but its in my car |
| 00:52:55 | saratoga | should i go get it and try that build? |
| 00:53:47 | funman | saratoga: no need i'm just going back further, i'll find a working revision soon |
| 00:54:57 | saratoga | i'm running a build around 26000 without issues, but i haven't checked the buffer size |
| 00:55:16 | funman | if it can play audio it's not affected |
| 00:55:53 | saratoga | oh -250KB :) |
| 00:56:00 | saratoga | i read that as 250KB total |
| 00:56:05 | djzn | saratoga: you're right, a full album with 413MB with high mode, it's only 417MB in normal |
| 00:56:07 | funman | ;) |
| 00:56:55 | saratoga | how does wavpack work in rockbox, I know we don't support the correction files yet, but we do allow wavpack lossy? |
| 00:58:35 | Zagor | anyone opposing FS #11357 (Reorganized rockboxdev.sh)? otherwise I'll commit it soon. |
| 00:58:49 | funman | i think my clipv1 might have overheated or something |
| 00:59:39 | saratoga | funman: i'm grabbing coffee, i'll go get my clip while i do |
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| 01:00:05 | bertrik | Zagor, I trust you to do it right :) |
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| 01:06:15 | djzn | saratoga: have you measured how much Mhz is needed for FLAC |
| 01:06:55 | funman | djzn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 01:07:51 | funman | saratoga: perhaps there's something wrong in my .rockbox |
| 01:11:14 | djzn | wow flac is outstanding |
| 01:11:22 | djzn | when it comes down to decoding time |
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| 01:16:11 | funman | i did have an english.voice, it started behaving weird when i switched rockbox language to english because rockboxers here couldn't read french ;-) |
| 01:20:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26601): Typo: We're using mipsel, not mips. |
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| 01:29:00 | literal | funman: any chance that the change by Timar/dfkt which increases volume (to 0x1b) on the Clip+ will be incorporated? |
| 01:29:20 | literal | it brings the maximum volume much closer to what the OF can do |
| 01:29:27 | literal | without clipping |
| 01:31:56 | funman | literal: the current value is bound to dB range (-73 to 6) i think so unless someone calculates the new ranges and checks that it's still somehow linear it'll just stay that way |
| 01:32:13 | funman | which volume the OF does use is not a reference - we don't care about the OF |
| 01:32:45 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26602): Added arm-eabi-gcc444 compiler. |
| 01:34:08 | notlistening | funman did i miss the answer about my clip+ restart issue? |
| 01:37:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26603): Gah, revision must be bumped too. |
| 01:37:56 | funman | notlistening: yes, it will work if you patch OF with next (not yet released) version of mkamsboot / rbutil. in the meantime you have to keep pressing left key if you want the OF to boot when plugging usb |
| 01:39:23 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26604): Added 30 second loop delay. |
| 01:40:09 | notlistening | thats fine just was not sure if it was release yet I am patient enough cheers again |
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| 01:48:49 | funman | perhaps we should just make a new mkamsboot release |
| 01:50:26 | funman | this would fix usb detection on some fuzev2 and all clip+ |
| 01:50:37 | funman | + add support some last OF releases |
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| 01:52:55 | saratoga | funman: I think that volume patch doesn't change the range, but rather changes something about the amps that rescales the 0dB point |
| 01:53:05 | saratoga | so at the same dB everything is louder |
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| 02:01:24 | funman | saratoga: i think you know better than me, so i let you do it :') |
| 02:01:30 | saratoga | ha |
| 02:01:41 | saratoga | is there a patch so I can see what registers its actually changing? |
| 02:02:25 | saratoga | oh i found it |
| 02:02:53 | funman | description for headphone/lineout output and dac output is identical in as3514 and as3543 |
| 02:03:03 | funman | you have the as3543 datasheet? |
| 02:03:59 | saratoga | let me check my email i can't remember if you sent it to me |
| 02:04:19 | saratoga | no i don't, could you send it to me |
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| 02:08:34 | funman | sure |
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| 02:11:38 | saratoga | dfkt's rmaa tests are strange |
| 02:11:52 | saratoga | at +6dB output he gets worse clipping as the mixer volume is lowered |
| 02:12:08 | saratoga | i would expect the opposite with lower mixer volumes reducing the clipping |
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| 02:22:34 | mc2739 | saratoga, funman: the as3525 datasheet show the min volume to be -40.5dB and as3514.c has the min setting at -73.5dB. Could this be causing the problems with the mismatch with OF? |
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| 02:23:37 | saratoga | mc2739: theres two different volume settings, one for the mixer and one for the headphone amp, each has about 40dB of volume control |
| 02:23:44 | saratoga | so its 73.5dB in total |
| 02:24:06 | saratoga | take a look at audiohw_set_master_vol, theres two registers it adjusts |
| 02:24:20 | saratoga | AS3514_DAC_R/L and AS3514_HPH_OUT_R/L |
| 02:25:18 | saratoga | what i don't get is the results in this post: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=471215&postcount=383 |
| 02:25:28 | saratoga | where increasing the DAC volume makes the amp clip less |
| 02:27:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26606): Corrected the GMP & MPFR workaround. |
| 02:27:56 | saratoga | "here's a build I made with mix volume set to 0x1B. Greater values produce some amount of clipping with a 0dbFS sine wave at absolute volume levels => mix volume. This one is free from clipping however. " |
| 02:28:04 | saratoga | oh well that seems pretty straight forward then |
| 02:28:12 | saratoga | just set the mixer to 0dB and you don't get clipping |
| 02:30:45 | funman | i have tested mkamsboot1.3 binaries, just missing linux amd64 |
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| 02:31:16 | funman | i'll get them built tomorrow |
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| 02:42:01 | anewuser | hi guys |
| 02:42:38 | anewuser | would upgrading from the 3.4 rockbox firmware to 3.6 would delete my music files |
| 02:43:17 | anewuser | or can I safely just upgrade without losing my data (first time upgrading) (files are saved on a harddisk elsewhere so no problem there) |
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| 02:45:45 | S_a_i_n_t | your music is safe |
| 02:46:26 | S_a_i_n_t | just "extract to" the root of your player, your music will be fine. |
| 02:46:36 | S_a_i_n_t | anewuser: ^^ |
| 02:46:56 | anewuser | awesome |
| 02:47:02 | anewuser | ty! |
| 02:51:44 | saratoga | do we have map files for 3.6 builds? |
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| 03:24:36 | JdGordon | AlexP: nice work on the closures :) |
| 03:35:30 | mc2739 | Who is the keeper of the as3514 datasheet? Would it be possible to get a copy? |
| 03:35:50 | JdGordon | email the commmiters mailing list |
| 03:36:07 | mc2739 | thanks |
| 03:41:41 | JdGordon | funman: 21877... when the volume is being changed it puts the text value instead of the image on the screen... like the statusbar |
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| 04:11:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26608): Theme Editor: Added code generation with tabs |
| 04:12:42 | JdGordon | bieber: implement the "open file" window already :D copy/pasting code sucks! |
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| 04:12:58 | bieber | Haha, it's next up on my task list |
| 04:14:09 | JdGordon | and displaying the parse error would be really nice :) |
| 04:15:38 | JdGordon | hehe, segfault pressing "update code" if the tree is emptty |
| 04:16:28 | bieber | Oh, yeah, I should probably take care of that too :/ |
| 04:17:38 | JdGordon | :( looks like there is another subtle parse error with nested conditionals |
| 04:18:02 | JdGordon | %?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> -> Error on line 2: Expected list close |
| 04:18:18 | JdGordon | %?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)> is the problem |
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| 04:50:06 | JdGordon | anyone use cuesheets? FS #11351 could use some testing |
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| 04:51:25 | bieber | JdGordon: That smaller piece parses fine on its own, I'm going to take a look at the bigger line you posted |
| 04:51:46 | JdGordon | yes, looks like it gets ocnfused by the multiple nesting |
| 04:53:33 | bieber | Hmm, this is odd |
| 04:54:05 | bieber | Apparently when it's calling skin_parse from the GUI app, my debugger won't trigger breakpoints in it |
| 04:58:26 | Tarvis | So I noticed colors for the new skin overhal is it's own tag now |
| 04:58:30 | Tarvis | Does that mean font will be as well? |
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| 04:58:42 | Tarvis | (allowing different fonts on 1 line?) |
| 04:58:56 | S_a_i_n_t | IIUC font is still in the viewport declaration line |
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| 05:00:12 | S_a_i_n_t | a different font per line will still require multiple viewports |
| 05:00:18 | JdGordon | no, font will never be seoperated from the viewport definition |
| 05:01:02 | JdGordon | bieber: check the makefile.. i tihnk qt disabled debugging |
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| 05:02:21 | Tarvis | well, I suppose now is a good time to learn the new format |
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| 05:03:03 | Tarvis | this might be easier for me, it's very C++-y |
| 05:03:09 | Tarvis | more like actual codes |
| 05:03:15 | JdGordon | it is? |
| 05:03:22 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, it is? |
| 05:03:32 | JdGordon | it's much more readable, but I wouldnt say c++y |
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| 05:04:32 | JdGordon | we should make it java-y... System.viewport.define(system.labels.none, 0,0, system.display.width...) |
| 05:04:41 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm having a hard time thinking of a language I know it *does* resemble tbh...it's basically, well no it *is*, a completely new language. |
| 05:04:58 | JdGordon | INTERCAL |
| 05:05:13 | JdGordon | the language desined to be nothing like any other language |
| 05:05:13 | Tarvis | hmm, well, not quite C++ |
| 05:05:29 | * | S_a_i_n_t points to "language I *know*" :P |
| 05:05:30 | Tarvis | it does look more like DECORATE and ACS functions behave |
| 05:05:35 | Tarvis | (modding languages for the game Doom) |
| 05:05:46 | Tarvis | Function(Stuff,more stuff, etc) |
| 05:06:25 | JdGordon | that is very natural coming from c... but the rest is nothing like any programming language I know |
| 05:06:33 | JdGordon | maybe perl :p |
| 05:06:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Nah, not perl, you can *read* this language. |
| 05:06:57 | S_a_i_n_t | ;) |
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| 05:08:27 | Tarvis | It doesn't need to have semicolons on everything either |
| 05:08:51 | Tarvis | or quotes around every string |
| 05:13:17 | bieber | Wait a minute |
| 05:13:38 | bieber | JdGordon: That code that's erroring out on you has mismatched <>s |
| 05:13:54 | JdGordon | it does? |
| 05:14:01 | bieber | %?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> -> |
| 05:14:08 | bieber | It has three <'s and four >'s |
| 05:14:09 | JdGordon | -> isnt part of it |
| 05:14:15 | bieber | Oh, okay |
| 05:14:17 | JdGordon | I should have put more spaces |
| 05:21:53 | Tarvis | dang, that's quite the nightmare |
| 05:23:21 | bieber | Well, at least I think I found the cause of the bug: somewhere along the line the number of children in a conditional is getting miscounted |
| 05:23:21 | bieber | Now I just need to figure out why |
| 05:24:05 | Tarvis | yeah, I have noticed that a lot of the error outputs are horribly misleading sometimes |
| 05:24:27 | Tarvis | Like when I accidentally have a viewport go offscreen, it says things about Invalid character /n and what not |
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| 05:28:00 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: I was thinking with the UI editer, would it be too hard/ambitious (keeping in mind I haven't played with it yet) for the viewports to be "drawn" on a screen mockup, and have it just grab the x,y positions? (think of drawing a box with MSpaint) |
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| 05:28:56 | bieber | S_a_i_n_t: I'll be aiming for something just like that when I get to graphical editing |
| 05:28:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, and the viewport dimensions of course |
| 05:29:15 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Awesome...great minds huh? :D |
| 05:29:15 | Tarvis | A UI editor doesn't seem too far-fetched |
| 05:29:16 | bieber | JdGordon: This is really odd. I fixed the bug, but all of a sudden it's hanging pretty bad on the nested conditionals |
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| 05:31:37 | bieber | Oh, woops, that's because I was forgetting to increment one index, and the loop was just exiting when another one finally overflowed to a negative value :/ |
| 05:34:44 | bieber | S_a_i_n_t: I'm actually really optimistic about what I'll be able to do with graphical editing, when the time comes. It looks like Qt's graphics library is going to mak ethings reaalllyy easy on me |
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| 05:35:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26609): Theme Editor: Began working on open document functionality (still incomplete), fixed a nested conditional parsing bug in the parser, and fixed ... |
| 05:35:52 | bieber | JdGordon: That should fix both your bugs :) |
| 05:36:03 | JdGordon | :) |
| 05:36:20 | bieber | It also absorbed all my coding time, though, so you'll have to wait another day for me to make the open button work :P |
| 05:36:35 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 05:38:15 | JdGordon | nope :) |
| 05:38:22 | JdGordon | looks like you broke another line now |
| 05:38:45 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/ZWkiYtnh is what I'm testing with |
| 05:38:58 | JdGordon | line 17 now has the issue |
| 05:38:58 | bieber | Was it working before? |
| 05:39:09 | JdGordon | before line 26 had the error |
| 05:40:39 | Tarvis | slightly unrelated question |
| 05:41:35 | Tarvis | Is there a reason %cl is blank padded? |
| 05:41:43 | Tarvis | This makes left-justified clocks look odd |
| 05:41:58 | Tarvis | (and furthermore, why there is no non-padded version) |
| 05:42:27 | Tarvis | And why it isn't reflected on the wiki |
| 05:42:43 | Tarvis | wait...I could fix that |
| 05:44:52 | JdGordon | what is %cl? |
| 05:45:20 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26610): Theme Editor: Fixed another conditional child-counting bug |
| 05:45:32 | bieber | JdGordon: I think it's fixed now, I'll give it a try with that file you posted |
| 05:45:38 | Tarvis | RTC Hour, the non 0-padded one |
| 05:46:11 | bieber | No errors in the file, hopefully the tree is correct |
| 05:46:23 | JdGordon | it isnt padded... |
| 05:46:28 | JdGordon | thanks bieber |
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| 05:46:52 | Tarvis | You sure? |
| 05:47:02 | Tarvis | Whenever I use it, there's a space in front of hours with single digits |
| 05:47:47 | Tarvis | I could whip up a quick .wps to show you |
| 05:48:45 | JdGordon | oh maybe it is |
| 05:48:59 | JdGordon | I think it is so the tag always uses the same lcd space |
| 05:49:03 | Tarvis | I can understand the need for one |
| 05:49:16 | Tarvis | I'm just wondering if there's a reason there's none with no padding |
| 05:50:26 | JdGordon | it should do no padding by dfault and allow %cl(02) so say pad to 2 digits with 0's or %cl(2) for pad to 2 digits |
| 05:50:49 | Tarvis | oh, in the new format I see |
| 05:51:01 | JdGordon | that probably wont happen though |
| 05:51:07 | Tarvis | I see |
| 05:51:16 | Tarvis | It's no big issue, I was just curious |
| 05:51:52 | JdGordon | i think it was wanted that the clock tags all use a known length |
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| 07:33:55 | literal | hm, I'm trying out a custom wps file. I copied iAmp.wps to iAmp2.wps and edited it, but everytime I use it in Rockbox it's like it's still using the original iAmp.wps |
| 07:36:15 | topik | try it on a simulator first |
| 07:36:30 | topik | it might be throwing up errors (like iAmp.wps does on my clip+) and not get loaded |
| 07:36:32 | Llorean | literal: Are you loading the .wps directly, or the .cfg? |
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| 07:37:41 | literal | Llorean: I just copied the .wps file and then selected iAmp2 as the WPS in Rockbox |
| 07:38:03 | literal | how do I try it in a simulator? |
| 07:38:07 | Llorean | literal: Did you use "browse themes" or did you use "browse WPS files"? |
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| 07:39:03 | literal | the latter |
| 07:39:19 | literal | it didn't show up under Browse Themes |
| 07:39:28 | Llorean | It won't unless it has its own .cfg. |
| 07:39:53 | Llorean | When you say it seems to just be the oriiginal, do you mean you've reset the theme to the default then loaded it and it shows up wrong? |
| 07:40:07 | Llorean | Generally loading a bad .wps should show the simple default, rather than anything else. |
| 07:40:50 | literal | I mean it always looks like the original unaltered iAmp. Even if I select cabbiev2, then select iAmp2 as the wps, I get the iAmp wps |
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| 07:45:57 | literal | but yeah, I'll try with a .cfg |
| 07:48:51 | literal | it didn't make a difference |
| 07:49:24 | literal | even if I select iAmp2 from Browse Themes and in the WPS menu, it still looks like iAmp |
| 07:49:33 | literal | makes no sense |
| 07:57:09 | Llorean | Are you sure the changes you made are something you'd notice? |
| 07:58:14 | literal | yes |
| 07:59:13 | literal | I'm running a simulator now, and just as a sanity check, I tried *deleting* iAmp.wps. Guess what? iAmp still works fine. |
| 07:59:30 | literal | So where is it getting it from? |
| 07:59:32 | JdGordon | pics or it didnt happen.. |
| 07:59:53 | JdGordon | are you sure its iamp and not maybe the internal hardcoded fall back wps? |
| 07:59:59 | Llorean | literal: What exactly did you change? |
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| 08:00:15 | literal | JdGordon: yes, it is clearly iAmp |
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| 08:00:36 | JdGordon | pastebin your config.cfg file |
| 08:06:21 | literal | Llorean: let's ignore that problem and focus on this easier-to-reproduce one now: step 1) download simulator, 2) add mp3 file to simdisk, 3) run simulator and enable iAmp wps, 4) delete iAmp.wps, 3) run simulator and play file, 4) iAmp wps still works |
| 08:06:58 | literal | if I delete iAmp.wps first, then I can't enable it to begin with |
| 08:07:09 | literal | but as long as I have enabled it, I can delete it without problems |
| 08:07:17 | literal | so Rockbox must be caching it or something |
| 08:07:22 | Llorean | literal: Do you shut down and then re-run the simulator after deleting it? |
| 08:07:26 | literal | yes |
| 08:07:54 | Llorean | And why is that a real problem? |
| 08:07:58 | literal | also, fail @ those step numbers |
| 08:08:19 | literal | Llorean: why am I able to use a .wps file which has been deleted? |
| 08:09:48 | Llorean | literal: Are you sure it's actually iAmp? It looks like a WPS that could be mistaken with the simple default if the rest of the theme data were already set. |
| 08:10:08 | Llorean | Remember that the fallback WPS isn't the same as cabbiev2 |
| 08:10:17 | literal | hm |
| 08:11:11 | literal | that could be it |
| 08:11:19 | literal | it looks the same if I select rockbox_default |
| 08:11:23 | JdGordon | thats what I said... |
| 08:11:27 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 08:11:40 | literal | then there must be a bug in iAmp |
| 08:11:50 | literal | since I was never able to select it in the first place |
| 08:12:17 | Llorean | Well, are you using it with 3.6 or a current build? |
| 08:12:28 | literal | 3.6 |
| 08:12:39 | Llorean | What revision number does it report? |
| 08:13:07 | literal | well, the simulator is r26566 and iAmp is broken there |
| 08:13:53 | Llorean | I think the release was several revisions before that. |
| 08:14:18 | literal | the one on my Clip+ is 3.6 and the sitation is the same there |
| 08:14:51 | Llorean | What revision number does it report? |
| 08:15:25 | literal | 26535, which is one revision before 3.6 if I recall |
| 08:15:43 | Llorean | But not actually 3.6 |
| 08:15:45 | literal | checkwps says this about iAmp.wps: RR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token" |
| 08:15:47 | Llorean | Since it's not built from the release branch |
| 08:16:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Did the WPS syntax breaking go in? If so, know what revision? |
| 08:16:31 | * | Llorean imagines it was sometime after the branch but before the release if it did, which would explain exactly this |
| 08:16:44 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 08:16:49 | Llorean | Ah well |
| 08:16:50 | Llorean | Dunno then |
| 08:22:07 | literal | I'm not sure how to test 3.6 since the manual install page on rockbox.org doesn't have Clip+ builds of 3.6 and the Rockbox utility doesn't let me install the stable version |
| 08:22:21 | Llorean | Because there's not a 3.6 for your player. |
| 08:22:21 | literal | only archived or current |
| 08:22:30 | Llorean | It's listed as "unstable" |
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| 08:23:02 | Llorean | If it passes testwps for 3.5, you'll need to figure out what change broke it since then |
| 08:24:12 | JdGordon | pastebin the wps |
| 08:24:27 | JdGordon | my guess is if you renamed the wps you forgot to rename the bmp folder also |
| 08:24:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: He said the normal iAmp doesn't pass a current testwps |
| 08:24:47 | literal | JdGordon: the issue here is simply that the iAmp.wps is broken |
| 08:24:55 | JdGordon | ok then |
| 08:25:34 | literal | hm, no tags in the git repo, do you happen to know which svn revision corresponds to the release of 3.5 ? |
| 08:26:07 | literal | ah, found it in a commit message |
| 08:26:25 | literal | 24504 |
| 08:28:37 | literal | the iAmp from that revision fails for the same reason |
| 08:28:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26611): Change cuesheet handling so the id3 info is not spoofed anymore. If something wants the subtracks info it is easy to get to. This makes next track ... |
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| 08:28:57 | Llorean | literal: Are you sure your local copy is good? Does the theme site say it passed 3.5? |
| 08:29:27 | literal | my copy is straight from the git repository |
| 08:29:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: do you remember if the quickscreen options was ever in a menu? I cant remember if that was commited or not |
| 08:29:40 | JdGordon | I know it isnt in a menu now |
| 08:30:12 | literal | the theme site says "Works with release 3.5" |
| 08:30:18 | Llorean | JdGordon: Which options? |
| 08:30:31 | JdGordon | the options to choose which setting is where on the qs |
| 08:30:32 | literal | I can't check it with the checkwps from 3.5 because it doesn't compile |
| 08:30:34 | Llorean | literal: I meant your local copy if iAmp. Haven't accidentally changed it at any point? |
| 08:30:49 | Llorean | If the themesite says it works with 3.5, it does, and something's wrong on your end. |
| 08:31:09 | literal | Llorean: see what I just wrote, I didn't check it with the checkwps from 3.5 |
| 08:31:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: I don't remember. Honestly, I'm in favor of dropping the QS (I've already said what I'd like it replaced with). |
| 08:31:22 | Llorean | literal: But the theme site did. |
| 08:31:56 | JdGordon | seems it was :) that makes things easier |
| 08:31:59 | literal | Llorean: yeah, that just means that checkwps (and the rest of rockbox) has changed but iAmp.wps hasn't |
| 08:32:08 | literal | so iAmp.wps still needs to be updated |
| 08:32:18 | Llorean | literal: Yes, so figure out what's wrong or contact the author? |
| 08:33:09 | literal | do you (or someone here) know anything about WPS changes between 3.5 and 3.6? |
| 08:33:37 | literal | i.e. where I should look, to be able to update iAmp.wps |
| 08:33:43 | JdGordon | there were none |
| 08:33:43 | Llorean | You could just bisect versions to figure out where it stops working. |
| 08:34:22 | literal | that's a bit hard since the "working" version (3.5) of checkwps fails to compile on my system... |
| 08:34:43 | Llorean | literal: So wouldn't the first step be to figure out why that's true, since it compiled at the time? |
| 08:35:07 | literal | yes, I suppose |
| 08:35:28 | literal | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44488 |
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| 08:37:13 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 08:37:22 | S_a_i_n_t | re: RTC (unless that was resolved...didn't really see) there is both blank space, and 0 padded RTC tags for hour. |
| 08:38:21 | literal | revision 24691, titled "fix checkwps" does compile, though |
| 08:39:31 | literal | for some reason it just returns "WPS parsing failure" (even with -vvv) when I check iAmp though :/ |
| 08:40:44 | literal | parses cabbiev2 just fine though |
| 08:42:26 | literal | Llorean: however, notice that the theme site also says that iAmp "Works with current build" |
| 08:42:33 | literal | even though it doesn't |
| 08:42:58 | Llorean | literal: Have you tried downloading a build rather than compiling your own? |
| 08:43:50 | literal | how would that help with getting the latest iAmp*.wps to pass the checkwps test? |
| 08:44:44 | Llorean | Well, it obviously does pass it on the theme site server. |
| 08:44:53 | Llorean | Which, honestly, suggests something is different with your copy for whatever reasons. |
| 08:47:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd be looking at what Jd said, as one of my first ports of call...I know you renamed the .wps file, but did you rename the folder which contains the wps' bitmaps also? |
| 08:48:48 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: those problems I had earlier can be attributed to the iAmp wps failing to parse |
| 08:49:01 | literal | now I'm just trying to figure out why that is |
| 08:49:10 | Llorean | Are the bitmap folders *present*? |
| 08:49:14 | Llorean | Or just the .wps file? |
| 08:49:25 | S_a_i_n_t | You've run it through a SIM, the output should tell you where it's failing. |
| 08:49:42 | S_a_i_n_t | it'll give a line number, which is accurate to +/-1 line |
| 08:50:05 | literal | yes, on the sim I got the same error that checkwps gave me: ERR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token" |
| 08:50:26 | S_a_i_n_t | so, pastebin lines 16, 17, and 18 |
| 08:50:36 | S_a_i_n_t | *that*'s where the error is. |
| 08:50:58 | S_a_i_n_t | it's telling you there is a tag there, that isn;t really a tag |
| 08:51:03 | literal | you have a checkout of the repo, right? it's just the unmodified iAmp 128x64 |
| 08:51:11 | literal | Llorean: the theme server claims iAmp passes on r26556. On a clean checkout of r26565 I did "mkdir build && cd build && ../tools/configure && make && ./checkwps.sansaclipplus ../wps/iAmp.128x64x1.wps" |
| 08:51:16 | S_a_i_n_t | you can't just pastebin it? |
| 08:51:26 | S_a_i_n_t | I know mine is SVN...I don;t know yours is. |
| 08:51:49 | literal | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490 |
| 08:52:05 | literal | Llorean: and the result is the checkwps error I pasted earlier |
| 08:52:35 | literal | Llorean: is the theme server doing the test differently somehow? |
| 08:52:45 | Llorean | It shouldn't be. |
| 08:52:50 | S_a_i_n_t | It's calling an image that isn't present. |
| 08:53:02 | S_a_i_n_t | %xdE |
| 08:53:06 | S_a_i_n_t | there's no "E" |
| 08:53:31 | S_a_i_n_t | that actually happens a lot...more than one instance |
| 08:53:32 | literal | isn't it %xl|E|lock-small.bmp|79|0|3| |
| 08:53:34 | literal | ? |
| 08:53:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...you'll need to pastebin it again then sorry. |
| 08:54:09 | S_a_i_n_t | mine is all warped. |
| 08:54:10 | literal | huh? |
| 08:54:22 | literal | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490 <−− this is warped? |
| 08:54:42 | S_a_i_n_t | huh, weird, it loaded incorrectly. My apologies |
| 08:56:25 | Llorean | What about xdx and xdy? |
| 08:56:34 | Llorean | It's late and I'm tired, so I may not see where they're loaded |
| 08:56:47 | S_a_i_n_t | hehe..beat me to it. |
| 08:56:54 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, they're definitely not there |
| 08:57:24 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: I had to go to the CustomWPS page and double check that xdx and xdy weren't special cases too. :) |
| 08:57:30 | * | Llorean hasn't made an WPS in a long, long time. |
| 08:57:39 | Llorean | Not since shortly after backdrop images were introduced. |
| 08:57:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Llorean: The skinbreak stuff has made me doubt myself, I did the same thing :P |
| 08:57:55 | literal | this is a very hairy file format |
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| 08:58:06 | S_a_i_n_t | What?!? |
| 08:58:10 | S_a_i_n_t | the format is fine. |
| 08:58:11 | literal | so many similarly-looking format codes |
| 08:58:21 | Llorean | literal: On thing that may be true - the version of iAmp on the theme site may be different than the one in SVN. |
| 08:58:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Granted, the theme is horribly set out, but the syntx is perfectly readable |
| 08:58:59 | Llorean | The format itself has just kinda evolved over time, which is its main problem |
| 08:59:04 | S_a_i_n_t | It's calling two instances of an image that possibly don;t exist |
| 08:59:12 | S_a_i_n_t | (on line 17) |
| 08:59:12 | Llorean | The initial token based system was for line based display on rather basic displays. |
| 08:59:19 | literal | indeed, there's no mention of "xdx" in the iAmp version on the theme site |
| 08:59:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Line 18 sorry |
| 08:59:39 | S_a_i_n_t | comment out "%?mh<%?mr<%xdEa|%xdx>|%?mr<%xdy|>>" |
| 08:59:40 | Llorean | Does the one in SVN actually come with downloaded buils? |
| 08:59:42 | Llorean | builds |
| 08:59:47 | S_a_i_n_t | and it should work) |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:05 | literal | so, the author updated the one on the theme site but not the one in SVN? |
| 09:00:56 | JdGordon | grrr... the agreed on QS changes arnt so simple :/ |
| 09:00:57 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: It may not have been the author that uploaded it |
| 09:01:17 | S_a_i_n_t | the guy that put them on the themesite fixed up sever themes, but has no SVN access |
| 09:01:27 | S_a_i_n_t | the intention is to remove those themes from SVN |
| 09:01:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *several |
| 09:01:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: What were the agreed changes? |
| 09:02:15 | Llorean | literal: Really the only theme that comes with SVN Rockbox eventually should be variants of the default (the standard one, and possibly a unifont one or similar if we ever decide to do that) |
| 09:02:36 | Llorean | But that's obviously not the case yet, I guess. |
| 09:02:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: use any which are set to "blank" as exit keys, and make top and bottom default to blank |
| 09:02:59 | Llorean | I can live with that. |
| 09:03:02 | JdGordon | so no more bloody dirfilter on the qs :) |
| 09:03:02 | S_a_i_n_t | the only thing keeping that from happening is greyscale/monochrome themes I think. |
| 09:03:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'd rather get rid of the QS and replace it with a shortcut to the .cfg browser, but that's nearly as good. :) |
| 09:03:35 | literal | but one advantage seems to be that the iAmp in SVN has two .wps files for different screen sizes while the one on the theme site has only one .wps |
| 09:04:06 | JdGordon | Llorean: yeah, I'm not such a fan of the cfg browser because it limits the values you can set... but it does have its advantages |
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| 09:04:43 | * | JdGordon is pretty happy that the NoDo on customisable menus has been removed which means we have more options |
| 09:04:47 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well yeah, you can't browse through all possible values of any setting, but I think for a *lot* of purposes it'll be more useful. |
| 09:04:49 | Llorean | But that's just me. |
| 09:04:50 | literal | Llorean: which themes are scheduled to be removed from SVN? everything except rockbox_default and cabbiev2? |
| 09:04:56 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: the move from from SVN to themesite wasn't completed. |
| 09:04:59 | Llorean | literal: Nothing's schedules |
| 09:05:05 | S_a_i_n_t | eventaully, they'll all be there |
| 09:05:22 | * | Llorean thinks customizable menus better not increase boot time even further |
| 09:05:32 | * | Llorean is still pretty tired of how long it takes to get from "power off" to "music playing" these days |
| 09:05:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Llorean: Not a flash target I assume? |
| 09:06:07 | * | JdGordon still holds that people complaiing are in it for placebo and it has not actually increased... |
| 09:06:12 | JdGordon | also, get a faster booting target |
| 09:06:13 | S_a_i_n_t | me = = 1~2 seconds |
| 09:06:20 | JdGordon | clip+ off to music in <1s |
| 09:06:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: We measured, so that's pretty much out. |
| 09:06:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I added the extra second for me messing up a button push perhaps ;) |
| 09:06:51 | Llorean | It's not placebo. |
| 09:07:06 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: so, if I were to make a new theme for a few different screen sizes, I'd create .wps files for the screen sizes in question and build .zip files for all relevant devices and upload to the theme site? |
| 09:07:23 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: As soon as they get a flash target with all the features of the Gigabeast including maximum available storage size, I'll consider it. |
| 09:08:33 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: Well, yes. But you'd also want to include simulator, and on device testing in that mix also. |
| 09:08:40 | literal | yeah |
| 09:08:59 | JdGordon | Llorean: if you are serious about wanting faster boot then I can easily suggest some things to try... but it does mean getting into the code |
| 09:09:01 | S_a_i_n_t | testing on the sim is good for development, but you'd want it tested on at least one device to see if the sim represents things accurately |
| 09:09:12 | JdGordon | or buying me a slow booting target :/ |
| 09:09:15 | literal | different question: since it turned out to be the default theme I wanted to modify and not iAmp, how can I base a theme on the default one when rockbox_default.wps is an empty dummy file? |
| 09:09:18 | JdGordon | s/://:p/ |
| 09:09:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: Actually, "time to music" improved drastically after that change a while back to fix the disk delaying things |
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| 09:09:49 | Llorean | It's not quite as good as it was, but it's good enough |
| 09:09:52 | Llorean | My worry is about it getting bad again |
| 09:09:53 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: Screenshot it, and work from there? |
| 09:10:19 | Llorean | The main problem the change brought is that during initial buffer on my Beast you can't skip or adjust volume (unless that's been fixed now, but I haven' seen mention of it) without severe delays |
| 09:10:20 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: so I'd have to recreate the default theme from scratch? there's no way to dump the default theme to a .wps or something? |
| 09:10:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't think so, no. |
| 09:10:38 | literal | damn |
| 09:10:39 | JdGordon | if starting playback was decoupled from the wps, then you should be able to get to music in the menu without loading the wps |
| 09:10:49 | Llorean | literal: The default theme *used* to be in the manual |
| 09:10:51 | Llorean | It's dead simple. |
| 09:10:54 | S_a_i_n_t | it's a text only/hardcoded element theme...it couldn;t be easier to do. |
| 09:11:08 | Llorean | If not it may be on the customWPS wiki page |
| 09:11:14 | Llorean | It's been in a bunch of places over the years |
| 09:11:18 | literal | ok |
| 09:11:29 | S_a_i_n_t | it doesn't use a single viewport or image, it'd be pretty damn easy. |
| 09:11:42 | S_a_i_n_t | well, it uses images, bu those are the statusbar |
| 09:11:46 | S_a_i_n_t | *but |
| 09:11:53 | Llorean | Yup, it's just a few lines with tags on each, and a couple conditionals to show file paths when ID3 tags aren't present |
| 09:12:19 | JdGordon | literal: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P |
| 09:12:29 | literal | thanks |
| 09:13:22 | * | JdGordon wonders if anyone at DevCon is looking for something to hack up today.... decoupling musc playback from the wps.... |
| 09:13:32 | Llorean | Decoupling? |
| 09:13:49 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: (not a bitch, just a hint for future code pasting) use a pastebin with line numbers. |
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| 09:14:02 | JdGordon | actually it isnt even that bad... the changes is just in root_menu.c to be able to start music without entering the wps |
| 09:14:02 | S_a_i_n_t | counting 17 lines wasn't *so* bad, but still sucks :P |
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| 09:14:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: Can't you already do that? |
| 09:14:37 | Llorean | If I "insert shuffled" I thought it used to stay in the file tree while the music started. |
| 09:14:39 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: http://pastebin.com for example. |
| 09:14:52 | JdGordon | yes, you can.. |
| 09:15:04 | Llorean | So what's the goal then? |
| 09:15:06 | JdGordon | I'm saying we could start playback earlier in the boot cycle |
| 09:15:10 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 09:16:14 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 09:16:14 | literal | S_a_i_n_t: the one I used earlier actually has line numbers, you could have enabled it below the text area :) |
| 09:16:14 | Llorean | Optimize boot order for getting playback going ASAP. |
| 09:16:14 | JdGordon | Llorean: care to do a boot chart build with svn? |
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| 09:16:35 | Llorean | JdGordon: I have no USB cables with me, and am at a Denny's. So, not right now. :) |
| 09:16:41 | JdGordon | I have an idea how to do this.. but I wonder if it would even make a difference |
| 09:16:42 | S_a_i_n_t | If I "insert shuffled) it takes me straight to wps, is it not supposed to/never used to do that? |
| 09:16:50 | Torne | quite a lot of stuff does need to happen before playback starts |
| 09:16:54 | S_a_i_n_t | -) +" |
| 09:16:55 | Torne | because otherwise buffer_alloc eats your face |
| 09:16:59 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: There was a time when it didn't, I think. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. |
| 09:17:14 | JdGordon | Torne: sure, but we can deal with that |
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| 09:17:45 | JdGordon | bassically I'm thinking that playback could start before the skins are loaded (which have its buffers allowec before then anyway) |
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| 09:18:25 | JdGordon | but yes, doing that could be dangerous and if it gives no benefit then there is no point doing it |
| 09:19:29 | Llorean | Actually, I think I only really have problems if the first thing I do on boot is load a bookmark. |
| 09:19:35 | Llorean | If I just hit 'play' to resume it's faster. |
| 09:19:41 | * | Llorean needs to try a more current build |
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| 09:21:53 | AlexP | JdGordon: I only just got started :) |
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| 09:22:14 | JdGordon | go go go! |
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| 09:26:01 | literal | what's the play/pause key in the simulator for the Clip+ ? |
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| 09:26:21 | literal | it's not listed here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator |
| 09:26:40 | literal | and none of the other ones work |
| 09:27:03 | S_a_i_n_t | all the sim keymaps differ, try mashing buttons on the keyboard :P |
| 09:27:20 | S_a_i_n_t | you'll find it eventually |
| 09:27:44 | S_a_i_n_t | you should also be able to just click on the player. |
| 09:27:55 | literal | tried that, doesn't work |
| 09:28:00 | S_a_i_n_t | use it like a real (well 2d) DAP |
| 09:28:11 | S_a_i_n_t | huh..sorry, works on the Nano sims |
| 09:28:23 | n1s | literal: you could look in firmware/target/hosted/sdl/button-sdl.c |
| 09:29:25 | literal | it seems to suggest that 8 on the keypad is what I'm looking for |
| 09:29:33 | literal | too bad my laptop doesn't have a keypad... |
| 09:30:16 | JdGordon | AlexP: you have a beast or video right? can you (or someone else there) do a bootchart build please? |
| 09:30:37 | S_a_i_n_t | it *should* have an alt/shift set for the numeric keypad |
| 09:30:43 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: ^ |
| 09:31:02 | literal | my old laptop had that, but my current one has no markings for that, so I have no idea how to do it |
| 09:31:02 | S_a_i_n_t | (*should*) laptop by the way, not the sim |
| 09:31:08 | * | JdGordon is willing to bet moveing the cpuboost(false) line to the end of init() would do more than starting playback slightly earlier |
| 09:31:13 | n1s | literal: you do see that SDL_KP8 and SDL_UP do the same thing, no? |
| 09:31:37 | literal | n1s: ah, Up does indeed play/pause |
| 09:31:43 | literal | I should have figured that out earlier... |
| 09:31:50 | S_a_i_n_t | ...yep |
| 09:32:03 | S_a_i_n_t | that's why I said "mash buttons" :P |
| 09:32:20 | literal | I had mashed pretty much all of them except the arrow keys :P |
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| 09:43:58 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders how hard it would be to get the plugin "lamp.rock" to *not* respect the idle shutdown limit. I personally consider it annoying as hell, as my idle shutdown is set to 1 min, and when I use lamp I have to continually make sure the idle shutdown doesn't kick in. |
| 09:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps give it it's own idle shutdown setting so it doesn't kill the batter if left on? |
| 09:44:26 | S_a_i_n_t | 10 min or so? |
| 09:44:41 | S_a_i_n_t | +y |
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| 09:48:28 | literal | cabbiev2 hardcodes "Next:", is it possible to use a translated string instead? |
| 09:49:56 | JdGordon | cabbie should be using the translated string |
| 09:50:11 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: pretty easy |
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| 09:51:46 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Do you think it would be worthwhile/something that would be considered? |
| 09:52:01 | S_a_i_n_t | I actually use lamp quite a lot, but I don't know if others do. |
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| 09:52:18 | JdGordon | if i dont have to do any work.. sure |
| 09:53:06 | yorick | hello, I have an ipod video 5G, and headphones with a sensitivity of 103 dB/mW, how much dB would that give me on the volume setting -60 dB? |
| 09:53:09 | * | JdGordon doesnt know how to read the bootchat output |
| 09:55:43 | * | S_a_i_n_t kicks himself for not paying much attention (well, I thought I did) when Torne explained it to him :/ |
| 09:58:26 | literal | JdGordon: well, cabbiev2.wps has "Next:" following a %Sx, but there's no mention of %Sx in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 09:58:32 | literal | is it for translating strings? |
| 09:58:37 | JdGordon | yes |
| 09:58:41 | JdGordon | hmm.. ok it should be there |
| 09:58:42 | literal | ok, cool |
| 09:58:44 | JdGordon | wanna add it? |
| 09:58:49 | literal | sure |
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| 10:01:21 | literal | Access check on Main.CustomWPS failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web. |
| 10:01:47 | * | Llorean isn't sure, but thinks that when in the bookmarks screen idle shutdown doesn't happen. |
| 10:01:53 | * | Llorean will need to check this |
| 10:05:51 | Stummi | good morning |
| 10:06:01 | AlexP | JdGordon: Yes, beast |
| 10:06:08 | AlexP | JdGordon: Is this an advanced option? |
| 10:06:12 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:06:28 | AlexP | OK, give me a couple of minutes |
| 10:09:03 | JdGordon | yep, unless my patch doesnt work starting playback before loading skins adds NO noticable difference |
| 10:10:22 | JdGordon | bootchart agrees with me |
| 10:11:34 | JdGordon | hehe ok, my patch didnt wwork :p |
| 10:12:10 | AlexP | JdGordon: OK, so should I now have a file somewhere? |
| 10:12:29 | JdGordon | you need to go into the debvug menu and dumb debug file |
| 10:12:35 | AlexP | ah, OK |
| 10:12:36 | JdGordon | then you'll have .rockbox/logf.txt |
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| 10:14:58 | AlexP | JdGordon: http://pastie.org/993631 |
| 10:15:31 | JdGordon | thanks, once I get this patch working ill ask for another if thats ok |
| 10:15:45 | AlexP | No problem |
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| 10:20:27 | JdGordon | bah, patch starts playback while the splash is up but then crashes |
| 10:20:46 | Stummi | how can i get a timestamp or so to measure a intervall? |
| 10:22:01 | Torne | Stummi: current_tick is the time since boot in centiseconds |
| 10:22:04 | Domonoky | Stummi: you can use currenttick |
| 10:22:25 | Torne | well, technically in 1/HZ of a second |
| 10:23:24 | Stummi | ok, thanks |
| 10:24:25 | funman | Zagor: can you copy http://jones.videolan.org/~videolan/funman/mkamsboot-1.3/ into http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa and link mkamsboot-1.3 -> mkamsboot? |
| 10:24:29 | bluebrother | Torne: do you know about the state of charging for the targets mentioned here? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8802#comment28390 AFAICS USB charging still doesn't work on my mini, so I guess there is still something missing. |
| 10:27:39 | Zagor | funman: done |
| 10:28:39 | funman | thx |
| 10:29:35 | Torne | bluebrother: No additional targets have had charging implemented yet |
| 10:29:43 | Torne | bluebrother: so only h300/beast/nano2g have it still |
| 10:29:57 | Torne | I'm working on charging for the other USB powered ipods right now |
| 10:30:29 | Torne | the changes i made yesterday was just a rework of t/he existing code |
| 10:30:36 | Torne | not a fix for 8802 |
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| 10:38:29 | * | n1s tries the new shiny rockboxdev.sh |
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| 10:38:51 | Stummi | there is a new rockbox.dev? |
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| 10:39:34 | S_a_i_n_t | If you mean rockboxdev.sh then, yes. |
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| 10:39:49 | S_a_i_n_t | s/new/reworked a little/ |
| 10:40:42 | n1s | it's also shiny! |
| 10:41:00 | S_a_i_n_t | it is? |
| 10:41:05 | * | S_a_i_n_t examines for shine. |
| 10:41:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, so it is. ;) |
| 10:41:59 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems like it's been cut down by about a third or so? |
| 10:42:14 | S_a_i_n_t | unless I'm mistaken I seem to remember it being a /lot/ longer |
| 10:42:15 | Stummi | maybe it works on darwin now? ;) |
| 10:42:58 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: that was one of the point IIUC, "Here's a reorganized version of rockboxdev.sh. It's 25% smaller" |
| 10:43:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26612): Virtual keyboard: enable line edit mode as an alternative on all target. There were only a very few that didn't offer it yet. The KBD_MODES define ... |
| 10:43:43 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s; Huh, I must have missed that...seems I wasn't too far off with the size though ;) |
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| 10:43:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll claim now that it wasn't a guess :P |
| 10:44:29 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26613): text viewer: can be selected the number of screens per page. |
| 10:45:31 | literal | how do I include a translated string inside a conditional? the %?ik<%Sx|foo||> doesn't work |
| 10:46:00 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: It should. |
| 10:46:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26614): Add the GPIO output-enable bits to the debug screen on PP502x |
| 10:46:37 | literal | ah, I think the problem was that the string I tried to translate didn't exist |
| 10:47:06 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, yes. you'll need to check the lang file each time if you're not certain the string exists. |
| 10:47:56 | literal | I'm trying to make it say e.g. "Disc 1" if it's a multi-disc album, but it doesn't look like "Disc" is a translated string |
| 10:48:53 | literal | can that be added? |
| 10:49:12 | S_a_i_n_t | in general, it's not that great a practice to translate everything you can just because you can...some strings for instance are a lot longer in char length that their english counterpart |
| 10:49:33 | S_a_i_n_t | and the viewprt could end up scrolling and looking crap |
| 10:49:35 | literal | yeah, but I doubt this one is any worse than "Next:" |
| 10:49:43 | Stummi | ah, with the new rockboxdev.sh i get an other errormessage on darwin: ld: in librbspeex.a, archive has no table of contents |
| 10:49:50 | S_a_i_n_t | or worse, if you don't use viewports, you could get overlapping. |
| 10:50:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Stummi: I sincerely doubt there are and devs working with Darwin...it doesn;t surprise me at all. |
| 10:50:58 | S_a_i_n_t | It's a pretty obscure OS |
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| 10:51:25 | Stummi | hm |
| 10:51:55 | funman | i doubt rockboxdev.sh (to build cross compilers) is related to librbspeex |
| 10:52:06 | Stummi | S_a_i_n_t: it also doesn't worked for bluebrother yesterday, so it seems not be a specific problem for my system |
| 10:52:30 | bluebrother | Torne: ok, thanks for the clarification. |
| 10:52:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Stummi: I didn;t think it was specific to your system. |
| 10:52:57 | S_a_i_n_t | But specific to the OS |
| 10:53:05 | bluebrother | it's a problem with OS X 10.6. |
| 10:53:58 | Stummi | bluebrother: but with the new version of rockboxdev.sh, there is another errormessage now ;) |
| 10:54:25 | bluebrother | Stummi: haven't tried that, but I doubt it should have anything to do with librbspeex. |
| 10:55:24 | bluebrother | any comments on FS #5737? I'd like to get that committed, and it works (still ;) fine for me. Any reasons against that format for saving the scratchpad values? |
| 10:56:06 | n1s | hmm, something weird happened |
| 10:56:45 | n1s | it's now trying to build with the wrong "as" |
| 10:58:29 | S_a_i_n_t | bluebrother: The GF would love-you-long-time for committing that ;) |
| 10:58:42 | S_a_i_n_t | I just added it to my build, didn;t even know it existed. |
| 10:59:16 | bluebrother | wow, it's been 4 years since I did that :o |
| 10:59:56 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, well although I often look at the patches, I scan them for thing *I* want/like/need. :D |
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| 11:00:06 | * | S_a_i_n_t is not a sudoku fan. |
| 11:00:18 | bertrik | bluebrother, I don't see any problem with that (I don't run that plugin often though) |
| 11:00:21 | bluebrother | the only concern I have is about the file format. It's making extensions to the ss file format. OTOH, the state saving code does too (and always did), so I think that's not a problem. |
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| 11:00:39 | * | bluebrother will wait for another while and if nobody objects commit later |
| 11:00:57 | * | funman will wait a while after the commit, and then object |
| 11:01:07 | * | gevaerts thinks that waiting four years for objections should be enough |
| 11:01:23 | S_a_i_n_t | indeed |
| 11:01:44 | n1s | Zagor: i tried the new rockboxde.sh but now all my builds fail since they try to use the wrong "as" (probably the host one) it prints "as: unrecognized option <something>" with <something> depending on the target |
| 11:02:29 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 11:03:55 | bertrik | is the ss file format some kind of "official" standard format? |
| 11:04:14 | n1s | i also get an empty a.out file in my build dir |
| 11:04:57 | n1s | only for the h300 build it seems |
| 11:04:59 | bertrik | can the updated plugin still read an older ss file (without scratchpad info)? |
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| 11:05:13 | bluebrother | bertrik: afaik it's some somewhat-official format |
| 11:05:20 | bluebrother | yes, reading the old file works fine. |
| 11:06:24 | leftright | it's great to see you'll hard at work on a sunday, keep it up, clock out is at midnight tonight, no slouching please :-) |
| 11:07:40 | bluebrother | the only drawback I see is that other programs might not be able to load the file after saving it. Though AFAIU this is already the case because the fill-in state is saved. |
| 11:07:40 | S_a_i_n_t | for various people...it's still saturday |
| 11:07:50 | bluebrother | it's definitely sunday :) |
| 11:11:22 | JdGordon | bluebrother: did you get anywhere with the theme site? |
| 11:11:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r26615): Move target-simulating specific keymaps out of button-sdl.c into a file per ... |
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| 11:13:13 | bluebrother | JdGordon: I have a setup running at my box that simply modifies rbutilqt.php to check the release / revision transmitted by Rockbox Utilty and redirects it to a different script depending on that values. |
| 11:14:20 | bluebrother | so as a first shot we could have a complete copy of the theme site in a different folder (maybe /old? or /v1?) and knowing the revision that changed the syntax replace rbutilqt.php to redirect. |
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| 11:14:33 | bluebrother | I still have to do some testing with Rockbox Utility though |
| 11:14:52 | JdGordon | ok. scorche can you copy the themesite please? |
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| 11:20:07 | literal | n1s: I uploaded a patch with a bunch of more strings for islenska.lang, in case you didn't notice |
| 11:21:04 | n1s | yes i saw but i broke my crosstoolchains now so i would like to fix that so i can testbuild :) |
| 11:21:20 | pixelma | your name in the credits caused problems for the manual ;) fixed now though |
| 11:21:31 | literal | nice |
| 11:22:41 | Zagor | n1s: my fault? |
| 11:23:57 | n1s | Zagor: maybe, my builds now use the wrong "as" after i tried the new rockboxdev.sh |
| 11:24:37 | n1s | seems like it's trying to use the system one which errors out with "unrecognized option" |
| 11:24:48 | Zagor | that's not good |
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| 11:25:13 | hamish_ | good afterpoon. |
| 11:25:35 | bluebrother | morning. |
| 11:26:05 | hamish_ | I'm curious, the USB driver on the sansa fuze, is it currently being developed? |
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| 11:26:32 | Zagor | n1s: which target are you building? |
| 11:26:54 | n1s | i tried h300, gigabeast with arm-elf and arm-elf-eabi and archos player |
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| 11:27:09 | Zagor | and they all complained about as? |
| 11:27:15 | n1s | all get unrecognized option from as |
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| 11:27:57 | Zagor | strange, they work fine for me |
| 11:28:39 | n1s | hmm, i did have the old toolchains still present when building the new ones, could that have confused it? |
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| 11:29:39 | Zagor | n1s: possibly. the new toolchains are installed slightly differently. if you reinstall one you already have you should probably remove the old first. |
| 11:29:59 | n1s | i'll try that |
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| 11:45:46 | Stummi | is it possible to say the simulator not to start the main-part of RB but a special app or start in a special submenu (e.g. Plugins) |
| 11:45:48 | Stummi | ? |
| 11:46:01 | funman | yes, grep for AUTOROCK in apps/main.c |
| 11:46:15 | Stummi | ok |
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| 11:51:06 | literal | do themes have to be approved after they're uploaded to themes.rockbox.org? |
| 11:51:18 | JdGordon | no |
| 11:51:20 | S_a_i_n_t | nope |
| 11:51:27 | JdGordon | they just have to pass checkwps and the setting script |
| 11:51:38 | literal | Hm, I just got the upload page again after uploading mine. No error. |
| 11:51:50 | literal | ah, there is an error, never mind |
| 11:51:53 | * | literal fixes |
| 11:51:55 | pixelma | well and people are allowed to report any possible license violation |
| 11:51:56 | S_a_i_n_t | they'll appear on the site after you acknowledge the confirmation mail |
| 11:53:20 | literal | the form complains that my WPS screenshot is 128x66 instead of 128x64 |
| 11:53:30 | literal | odd since I got it straight from rockbox |
| 11:53:48 | S_a_i_n_t | "define "straight from rockbox" |
| 11:53:55 | S_a_i_n_t | did you do a screendump? |
| 11:53:57 | literal | yes |
| 11:54:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, weird. |
| 11:54:16 | funman | clip screendumps are 2 pixels higher i think to show the space between blue & yellow parts of the screen |
| 11:54:25 | S_a_i_n_t | crop it to the correct size. |
| 11:54:48 | funman | actually 128x66 is correct |
| 11:55:02 | funman | scaling it down would just make it look horrible |
| 11:55:19 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, so checkwps is technically broken? |
| 11:55:30 | literal | not checkwps, but the upload form |
| 11:55:33 | pixelma | does someone remember whether the Philipps SA9200 manual ever build? Just asking because there is a platform file existent but compiling doesn't work and tex is asking for a platform file with a different name. I'm curious if something got broken in the target rename or if it just wasn't finished yet |
| 11:55:52 | pixelma | or built |
| 11:55:54 | literal | should be changed to allow 128x66 for Clip++ |
| 11:55:58 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: Where do you think that form gets its info from? |
| 11:56:33 | literal | you're saying checkwps does something more than check the syntax of WPS files? |
| 11:56:54 | S_a_i_n_t | it'll also mention of backdrops are incorrect size etc. |
| 11:57:01 | S_a_i_n_t | s/of/if/ |
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| 11:57:48 | S_a_i_n_t | it will check if a file is needed, but not included..its quite a savvy piece of code. |
| 11:58:09 | literal | I can't crop the image without taking something out of the statusbar or bottom line, so I'd have to remove a 2px thick line from somewhere in the middle |
| 11:58:25 | literal | to go from 128x66 to 128x64 |
| 11:58:47 | literal | but I'm not sure I know how to do that |
| 11:58:54 | S_a_i_n_t | just crop the "black line" |
| 11:59:12 | funman | _jhMikeS_: ping |
| 11:59:20 | S_a_i_n_t | the 2px between black/yellow |
| 11:59:31 | S_a_i_n_t | *argh..s/black/blue |
| 11:59:42 | Zagor | n1s: any result? |
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| 12:00:02 | literal | man, I suck at Gimp |
| 12:00:17 | S_a_i_n_t | which OS? |
| 12:00:22 | literal | Linux |
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| 12:00:44 | JdGordon | Domonoky1: scorche: ping? |
| 12:00:51 | n1s | Zagor: yep, works now |
| 12:00:55 | S_a_i_n_t | ah, crop cutout is fairly simple. |
| 12:00:56 | Zagor | good |
| 12:00:59 | JdGordon | (can someone there get one of them to come online?) |
| 12:01:20 | literal | yeah, I just figured it out |
| 12:01:30 | S_a_i_n_t | \o/ |
| 12:03:02 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r26616): The ifp isn't coldfire based, add some targets that are instead |
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| 12:04:24 | literal | success, http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=814&target=sansaclipplus |
| 12:05:05 | literal | heh, looks like I left a 2px white spot in there |
| 12:05:08 | literal | oh well |
| 12:05:49 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: we are busy building the tower :-) |
| 12:06:03 | JdGordon | no your not! |
| 12:06:15 | S_a_i_n_t | we!?! only looks like 2 of you doing the building :P |
| 12:06:27 | JdGordon | well seen as you're here now... can you copy the themesite so we can get this mooving? |
| 12:07:03 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: sorry, i dont know how todo that.. we have to ask scorche. |
| 12:07:11 | funman | _jhMikeS_: check http://pastie.org/993679 |
| 12:07:25 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26617): Consolidate the two button tables in the virtual keyboard section into one. The difference causing having two doesn't exist anymore (targets without ... |
| 12:07:38 | S_a_i_n_t | If I want to point the updater at the whole .zip, do I use the "updatetheme.pl" or my recently compiled "skinupdater"? |
| 12:07:46 | JdGordon | Domonoky1: can you pull him away from the tower long enough to get that going? |
| 12:08:53 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: unlikely .. you have to wait for after the tower building :-) |
| 12:09:04 | JdGordon | hehee yeah, I thought he was just watching... |
| 12:09:31 | Domonoky1 | we need his mental support :-) |
| 12:09:51 | * | JdGordon refrains from makeing a joke |
| 12:11:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26618): Close the ActionKbdSelect macro so that the following space won't get eaten in the output. |
| 12:13:54 | JdGordon | what do we do about FS #8923? assuming it is still an issue do we bother keeping it open (known issue) |
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| 12:21:16 | AlexP | JdGordon: Well they are legitimate bugs, even if known and not trivial to fix, so it should be left open I think |
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| 12:26:38 | * | bertrik is making a bit of progress on the mystery radio chip in the sansa clip plus |
| 12:27:14 | JdGordon | radio works fine in my clip+? |
| 12:27:16 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r26619): Fix most reds, I have no idea what's wrong with the gigabeats (yet). |
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| 12:32:10 | JdGordon | did funman get the e200 going on eabi? |
| 12:35:41 | pamaury | JdGordon: there are two different radios chips in clip+ it seems |
| 12:35:54 | JdGordon | oh, bugger them :) |
| 12:37:49 | pamaury | One is working and bertrick told me he found some parallel code in the of for two models so perhaps he will manage to make it work |
| 12:40:30 | funman | JdGordon: no but i found why it didn't boot, the linker is doing nasty things |
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| 12:40:57 | funman | JdGordon: eabi worked already btw, i was looking at running thumb code |
| 12:41:07 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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| 12:48:11 | JdGordon | scorche: cooeey |
| 12:49:33 | * | scorche|sh looks strangely at JdGordon |
| 12:49:52 | JdGordon | can you copy the whole themesite to /oldsite or soemthing? |
| 12:50:16 | scorche|sh | sure |
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| 12:51:36 | JdGordon | and we need a script or two run on the real site... |
| 12:51:45 | JdGordon | but maybe do a trial run somewhere first |
| 12:52:21 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26620): text viewer: can display the horizontal scroll bar. |
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| 12:55:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r26621): Fix remaining reds. |
| 12:57:10 | ucchan | kugel: iAudioM3/M5 sim are red. |
| 12:57:51 | ucchan | sorry, I don't refresh the browser. |
| 12:59:31 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26622): Save the scratchpad state in Sudoku plugin (FS #5737). |
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| 13:01:42 | kugel | ucchan: no problem :) |
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| 13:06:21 | JdGordon | scorche: has anyone got access to run scripts ont he theme site? |
| 13:06:28 | JdGordon | I really wanted to get this done todaty |
| 13:07:03 | bluebrother | btw, has anyone ever noticed that the forums start page has the login twice at the bottom? |
| 13:07:36 | kugel | on a related note, did anyone notice that the sidebar is styled differntly (differnt font, mainly) in the forums? |
| 13:07:37 | bluebrother | there's the login section in the "Info Center", and there are login fields below that outside of the Info Center |
| 13:08:19 | JdGordon | kugel: any chance you can look at (fix/close) 10030? it seems to be the only nat sorting bug still open |
| 13:08:26 | bluebrother | not that it's much of importance though :) |
| 13:08:44 | * | kugel wants JdGordon to put at least fs before the numbers so my script kicks in |
| 13:08:57 | funman | Zagor: did you ln -sf mkamsboot-1.3 mkamsboot in /bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ ? |
| 13:09:06 | Zagor | ah no, I forgot that |
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| 13:09:39 | Zagor | fixed now |
| 13:10:19 | kugel | JdGordon: well, the question is it a bug actually. should 002 sort before 01 or not? |
| 13:10:33 | JdGordon | I dont know :) |
| 13:10:48 | S_a_i_n_t | IMO, yes. |
| 13:10:56 | JdGordon | I'm sure you lot could come to a consensus pretty quickly though :) |
| 13:10:58 | S_a_i_n_t | but, do I want a flamewar? |
| 13:11:01 | S_a_i_n_t | no. :) |
| 13:11:07 | kugel | but bryan's comment from march 19 still applies I think (which would be a real bug) |
| 13:11:30 | bluebrother | well, I still haven't seen a specification how this natural sorting should work. If we had such a description the question would be trivial to answer |
| 13:11:46 | lazybum | Hi anybody knows what to do with a transfer error -19 when trying to update the database? Clip+ user here |
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| 13:12:41 | funman | lazybum: which rockbox version? |
| 13:15:40 | gevaerts | amiconn: Devcon10/testbuilds/ondiofm.zip |
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| 13:19:59 | lazybum | im using the latest version |
| 13:20:29 | funman | lazybum: check filesystem |
| 13:20:31 | lazybum | I suddenly got the problem after transferring some files to my clip |
| 13:20:51 | lazybum | so i tried to reinstall but the problem persists |
| 13:21:12 | funman | run chkdsk or fsck |
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| 13:23:39 | lazybum | sorry this irc is lagging like mad for some reason |
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| 13:24:50 | lazybum | sorry but how do i do that? |
| 13:27:00 | funman | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265 |
| 13:29:00 | JdGordon | Zagor: you dont remember how to fix the dates problem on flyspray? |
| 13:29:18 | Zagor | no, sorry |
| 13:29:34 | JdGordon | looks like i need to create another account then :( |
| 13:29:44 | Zagor | wait a bit, I'll look around |
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| 13:30:19 | JdGordon | it happened when I changed my timezone... |
| 13:30:22 | kugel | JdGordon: have you checked your time stamp settings? |
| 13:30:32 | JdGordon | yes, it is correct |
| 13:30:43 | Zagor | kugel: time *stamp* ? |
| 13:30:49 | kugel | ok, wouldn't have been the first time it gets screwed up for nor reason |
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| 13:31:28 | Zagor | JdGordon: kugel is right. your "detailed date format" field says "jdgordon" |
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| 13:32:02 | JdGordon | oh wtf? |
| 13:32:11 | JdGordon | I certainly didnt put that there on purpose :p |
| 13:32:11 | Zagor | nice bug, there... |
| 13:32:12 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 13:32:25 | lazybum | ok its solved thanks funman! |
| 13:33:18 | * | JdGordon gently pokes scorche|sh |
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| 13:34:02 | Zagor | I should upgrade flyspray some day... |
| 13:35:02 | JdGordon | anyone use pacbox? |
| 13:36:39 | rasher | Zagor: iirc it was actually caused by an upgrade in the first place |
| 13:37:19 | Zagor | rasher: that sounds unlikely. I haven't touched flyspray in years. |
| 13:37:23 | rasher | Or at least a lot of people got their "detailed date format" set to their user name on an upgrade |
| 13:37:40 | rasher | Yeah, I guess this instance wasn't |
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| 13:39:40 | JdGordon | how do we feel about using the rating tag in mp3/others if the database isnt used? |
| 13:39:44 | JdGordon | or even if it is used? |
| 13:39:53 | JdGordon | FS #7670 |
| 13:40:33 | JdGordon | looks like that patch lets you choose which to use for the rating source |
| 13:41:48 | JdGordon | the patch is way out of sync so if its something we might want I'll look into syncing it.. otherwsie close |
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| 13:47:11 | JdGordon | and .NSF users? |
| 13:47:32 | JdGordon | *tap tap*.. is this thing on? :p |
| 13:50:27 | Torne | Does anyone have the ability to measure current drawn over USB, and an ipod mini 1g or ipod 4g mono? |
| 13:50:35 | Torne | we don't have those models at devcon :( |
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| 13:55:52 | * | Domonoky1 has a ipod 4g grey here... |
| 13:58:13 | * | bluebrother only has a mini2g around and guesses that isn't needed |
| 13:59:10 | JdGordon | Domonoky1: can you get scorche's attention? I really want to get the skin changes in... |
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| 14:00:03 | * | scorche|sh perks up |
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| 14:00:40 | JdGordon | theme site copy? hows it going? |
| 14:01:10 | JdGordon | and whos game to run the update script on it? |
| 14:01:38 | scorche|sh | copy is done |
| 14:02:29 | bertrik | the clip plus mystery radio chip definitely looks like some other SiLabs chip, but with a different register mapping |
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| 14:04:13 | JdGordon | scorche: cool, to where? and running scripts? |
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| 14:06:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26623): FS #9034 - sort viewers.config by plugin name so the open with window is alphabetically sorted |
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| 14:10:00 | Stummi | is there a script to easy build all simulators? |
| 14:10:51 | JdGordon | release/sims.pl if you are lucky |
| 14:11:02 | JdGordon | gevaerts: can I interest you in FS #9053? |
| 14:12:35 | bluebrother | wasn't it intentional to have the open with list not sorted? I.e. so the (assumed) more often used are at the top? |
| 14:13:31 | JdGordon | maybe origionally, but it was mostly sorted by extension |
| 14:13:36 | rasher | Stummi: I don't think you need luck. That script builds the sims on my website every day |
| 14:13:57 | Stummi | ok, i will see then |
| 14:14:09 | JdGordon | or not |
| 14:14:17 | Stummi | i think first i have to build all avaible cross-compilers first? |
| 14:14:21 | Stummi | -first |
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| 14:16:46 | bluebrother | the simulator doesn't need a cross compiler |
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| 14:22:12 | JdGordon | nuts, that volume label patch no worky :( |
| 14:25:22 | Jaykay | hi, while everyone (or only AlexP) is cleaning up the tracker, heres another one: FS #7432 is a duplicate of FS #10559, which got committed |
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| 14:33:13 | _jhMikeS_ | funman: looks fine I guess. swp is sort of deprecated anyway. could probably do without the SW/SWAP defines as well (are the macros actually used anywhere now?) |
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| 14:34:44 | JdGordon | rasher: F#7984 - talk clips for the db.. close? resync+commit? |
| 14:35:41 | rasher | I'm not sure.. I'd love it if someone could improve it |
| 14:35:48 | rasher | But I guess it's better than nothing |
| 14:36:14 | JdGordon | did it work? |
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| 14:45:11 | funman | jhMikeS: i didn't look very far |
| 14:45:22 | funman | just noticed #ifdef CPU_PP inside another #ifdef CPU_PP |
| 14:54:07 | AlexP | Jaykay: I don't think it is - FS #7432 had both lrc and snc, and FS #10559 was lrc only |
| 14:54:16 | teru | sorting viewers.config by plugin name isn't a good idea imo as the order affects what plugin is used to open a file. now it beigns to sort a file if I select a .txt file. |
| 14:54:23 | JdGordon | so what do we do about the skin format changes? the patch is ready to go and needs to go in soonish so bieber can make sure his skin renderer agrees with svn... |
| 14:54:48 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I definitely want to make those names more flexible, but I'm not sure yet how |
| 14:54:57 | jhMikeS | funman: I must've been making sure it really was CPU_PP :P |
| 14:55:14 | bluebrother | scorche|sh, Domonoky1: any news on the theme site front? |
| 14:55:43 | JdGordon | gevaerts: well that patch didnt work after a quick sync :( it would be nice to be able to use the volume name |
| 14:56:01 | JdGordon | Also, I just saw your patch showing usb status... any thoughts on adding that? |
| 14:56:26 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r26624): Use SYS_FS_CHANGED and a slight rework in the recalculation of free disk space in the Rockbox Info screen. |
| 14:56:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26625): Transmit installed build revision and release version to theme site. ... |
| 14:57:00 | JdGordon | does rbutil have a "check for update"? |
| 14:57:34 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: no, but it does automatically check for updates, and informs the user :-) |
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| 14:57:52 | JdGordon | close enough :) |
| 14:58:11 | JdGordon | so step 1) push a rbutil update, 2) fix the theme site 3) commit the break |
| 14:58:49 | bluebrother | 4) properly support theme formats with the theme site |
| 14:59:18 | JdGordon | can it all be done in the next few hours? :'( |
| 14:59:56 | JdGordon | the other option is just getting someone to make a frontend for the update theme script which can work on an uploaded zip |
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| 15:01:21 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26626): USB charging support for iPods. ... |
| 15:01:39 | gevaerts | JdGordon: ok, I'll work on my own then :) |
| 15:02:40 | Torne | bluebrother: there you go ) |
| 15:02:52 | bluebrother | Torne: \o/ |
| 15:03:13 | Torne | I need to update the manual to explain the new tristate usb charging setting |
| 15:03:18 | Torne | but other than that, it's done |
| 15:04:03 | bluebrother | so FS #8802 is fixed now, right? |
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| 15:04:12 | AlexP | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8968 |
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| 15:04:17 | AlexP | Thoughts? :) |
| 15:04:22 | Torne | bluebrother: Yeah, i'll close it in a mo |
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| 15:05:02 | JdGordon | AlexP: I guess that is more up to everyone else |
| 15:05:18 | JdGordon | I'm happy to sync and make it good if it willl be accepted |
| 15:05:28 | bluebrother | AlexP: I still like inline settings, especially in a two-line way. |
| 15:05:50 | AlexP | I'm asking people here |
| 15:06:10 | * | JdGordon almost gages every time he looks at settings_list.c ... such a monstrosety |
| 15:06:18 | * | JdGordon likes to think he learnt from that :p |
| 15:07:14 | bluebrother | AlexP: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5881.msg45572#msg45572 |
| 15:08:10 | AlexP | JdGordon: Most people here seem to like/be indifferent to the concept, but think that particular task should be shut as it isn't very useful (pending a proper go if you feel like it) |
| 15:08:14 | JdGordon | I dont remember if that patch let you change the value without going into the setting? |
| 15:08:30 | AlexP | JdGordon: Maybe following a brief discussion on the list :) |
| 15:09:53 | JdGordon | if we were using the skin engine to draw the lists this would be trvial to add |
| 15:10:10 | AlexP | JdGordon: So yeah, at least from the subsection of people here, sure, why not :) |
| 15:12:40 | JdGordon | ok, leave it open, i've added a comment |
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| 15:13:25 | JdGordon | funman: do you still need 11159? |
| 15:14:04 | AlexP | JdGordon: Will do |
| 15:14:51 | funman | JdGordon: not *i*, every target which uses passthrough for FM playback |
| 15:14:54 | * | JdGordon doesnt know what to do about FS #9514... for completness it should go in, but nothing requires it |
| 15:15:01 | funman | just go in FM sound settings and modify bass/trebble |
| 15:15:13 | JdGordon | so should that patch be commited? |
| 15:15:46 | JdGordon | if it works its pretty silly keeping it in the tracker |
| 15:16:11 | funman | yeah |
| 15:16:41 | JdGordon | does it work? |
| 15:17:37 | JdGordon | it will with one quick change |
| 15:19:01 | rasher | JdGordon: voice clips for db worked fine as long as the string to be spoken was an artist name, album name or title |
| 15:19:44 | rasher | JdGordon: anything else would require parsing the tagnavi.conf and creating appropriate voice clips for the strings made up of several items |
| 15:19:54 | rasher | Or combining them in the talk enging |
| 15:20:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26627): Remove card_enable_monitoring() and use a mutex instead. The card_enable_monitoring() method actually didn't eliminate the possible race conditions it ... |
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| 15:23:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26628): don't draw the presets on the FM frequency bar, they look like crap. This will come back when they are configurable shortly |
| 15:24:33 | * | gevaerts thinks that mutexes take too much RAM |
| 15:26:02 | JdGordon | funman: doesnt work in the sim.... if it works on target it can go in though |
| 15:26:15 | funman | JdGordon: i didnt test it |
| 15:26:30 | * | amiconn thinks it was a good idea to not just commit the pp502x lcd address "fixup" right away |
| 15:26:50 | amiconn | It's actually breaking stuff on pp5022... |
| 15:28:15 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26629): Make disk_init() non-static again. I forgot to look at the bootloaders |
| 15:28:21 | yorick | Torne: I only want it be charging when it isn't connected to an usb host |
| 15:29:06 | yorick | only charge on AC adapter and not on PC |
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| 15:30:45 | Torne | yorick: turn the option on and off then |
| 15:31:41 | Zagor | yorick: that's a too special case to have it hardcoded |
| 15:32:02 | yorick | Zagor: my PC can't handle full power USB, that's why I have a charger |
| 15:32:22 | Zagor | sorry, your pc is broken. it's not our job to workaround. |
| 15:32:32 | AlexP | yorick: We can't have an option for every little thing, and this is really not something most people will worry about |
| 15:32:38 | Torne | WHat do you mean, can't handle? |
| 15:32:48 | Torne | if you connect to a hub that doesn't have enough power it won't charge |
| 15:32:55 | Torne | it only charges if it's been told by the host that it an |
| 15:32:58 | yorick | Torne: it makes strange noises :) |
| 15:34:23 | Torne | Well, yeah |
| 15:34:26 | Torne | You have broken hardware :) |
| 15:34:40 | Torne | if you set USB charging to "off" it will draw no more than 100mA from the port |
| 15:34:48 | JdGordon | funman: ok, got it working, only bass and treble? |
| 15:34:58 | Torne | if you need it to work that way then yo'll have to patch it yourself |
| 15:34:59 | yorick | but it will also draw no more than 100 mA from my charger :) |
| 15:34:59 | JdGordon | and bass cutoff |
| 15:35:05 | Torne | Yes, so change the option |
| 15:35:08 | Torne | or patch the code |
| 15:35:19 | Torne | THe function is usb_max_allowed_current in firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c |
| 15:35:28 | Torne | You can change the logic there to anything you like |
| 15:35:29 | pixelma | JdGordon: do you still have an H300 - and a remote with it? |
| 15:35:42 | JdGordon | yes, but it isnt working currently |
| 15:36:39 | * | gevaerts wants help with the remaining r26627 reds |
| 15:37:45 | pixelma | gevaerts: adding some? ;) |
| 15:37:55 | gevaerts | Sure, go ahead! |
| 15:38:31 | funman | JdGordon: well any setting which involves processing of audio data |
| 15:38:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: why do you ask? |
| 15:38:44 | pixelma | hmm... ok, just noticed that not all controls in the graphical eq screen are available on the H100 remote. There doesn't seem to be a remote eq context so it uses everything standard but some non-standard things (increase/decrease the values) are missing |
| 15:39:24 | pixelma | and don't look at the manual to find out which ones I mean. It's quite wrong there |
| 15:40:02 | pixelma | not sure if the H300 remote is different there though |
| 15:40:08 | JdGordon | funman: which are? :) |
| 15:40:11 | petur | pixelma: I have a remote |
| 15:40:16 | petur | just not with me :/ |
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| 15:40:41 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r26630): Don't initialise disk_* for the sim, and make sure disk.c isn't built at all |
| 15:41:25 | funman | JdGordon: anything but volume |
| 15:41:51 | funman | but actually jhMikeS added some hardware sound settings to the gigabeats recently so it might different for this one :/ |
| 15:41:59 | funman | jhMikeS: can you help with this ^ ? |
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| 15:46:11 | JdGordon | bluebrother: Domonoky1? :'( |
| 15:46:33 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: working on it... the copy still doesnt really work. |
| 15:46:42 | JdGordon | ok :) |
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| 15:50:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26632): Use atomic GPIO manipulation where appropriate. |
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| 15:57:27 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: copy is finished, and now available at http://themes.rockbox.org/oldsite/www/ |
| 15:57:56 | JdGordon | I get a logon prompt |
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| 16:01:27 | scorche|sh | JdGordon: should be fine now |
| 16:01:49 | JdGordon | yep :) |
| 16:02:36 | jhMikeS | funman: what's going on now? |
| 16:02:47 | JdGordon | so, uh, how do we do this? |
| 16:02:49 | Domonoky1 | so we can now modify the theme zips (and the rbutilqt.php) without worries.. but Devcon is nearly ending now.. |
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| 16:06:04 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere has done a php page to run the update theme script... im a bit wary of running it on the live site though |
| 16:06:32 | JdGordon | at the very least can the zips be backed up? |
| 16:07:07 | Domonoky1 | we have a backup now :-) |
| 16:07:47 | funman | jhMikeS: can you change sound settings when listening to FM on gigabeast? |
| 16:08:21 | jhMikeS | funman: you can change sound settings, just not tone controls or 3d effect, sine they're digital |
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| 16:09:11 | jhMikeS | technically, you can change them, but not listen to the change live on an analog path |
| 16:09:13 | Domonoky1 | JdGordon: i think its ok to convert the themes on the site in the next days... it doesnt hurt much if svn doesnt have themes for a few days. |
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| 16:09:30 | funman | jhMikeS: so what you can change include bass / trebble? |
| 16:09:46 | funman | i don't know if the gigabeats is the only target with HW bass/trebble control |
| 16:10:11 | bluebrother | Domonoky1: changes to rbutilqt.php: http://pastebin.ca/1877879 |
| 16:10:34 | bluebrother | of course that revision 25000 needs to get changes, and the link to the old site |
| 16:10:37 | jhMikeS | funman: hardly, others have it, but the irivers with the UDA 1380 allow radio digital loopback because it has a digital mixer, so voice can be heard too, thus the tone controls also work |
| 16:11:10 | Domonoky1 | bluebrother: if you find the time, please finish and commit that, and i will update it when we converted the zips. |
| 16:11:18 | JdGordon | Domonoky1: ok, so commit it? |
| 16:11:22 | funman | we'll need some new #HAVE_SOMETHING to only show these settings for irivers? |
| 16:11:23 | jhMikeS | funman: gigabeat F has HW tone, but no FM |
| 16:11:44 | funman | or can we use existing something_SW_TONE |
| 16:12:07 | jhMikeS | funman: I suppose. They might be unique in having that digital mixer. If S had it, I'd set it up the same way. |
| 16:12:10 | bluebrother | Domonoky1: ok, so you're trying to do the conversion now? |
| 16:12:53 | Domonoky1 | bluebrother: no. i have to leave devcon now.. |
| 16:13:00 | Domonoky1 | i can try todo it in the next days.. |
| 16:13:50 | bluebrother | ok |
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| 16:14:08 | bluebrother | committing won't affect the live system, will it? |
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| 16:15:07 | * | kugel says good bye from devcon |
| 16:15:10 | kugel | o/ |
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| 16:15:34 | jhMikeS | funman: S "tone controls" are five bands, under a submenu, with an "advanced" subment under that, FYI (in case it matters) |
| 16:17:30 | JdGordon | OK, I'll commit tomorow my time... |
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| 16:18:14 | ocin | where can I find the default wps for 128x64x1? rockbox_default is just a dummy file and I'd like to modify it a little |
| 16:18:18 | CIA-6 | New commit by torne (r26633): USB charging: update manual |
| 16:19:15 | JdGordon | ocin: the default? i.e the one with images? |
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| 16:20:53 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I think ocin meant the old style default (which is included in the bin as a fallback iirc?) |
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| 16:32:47 | bluebrother | ocin: rockbox_default is only in the code, it's not a separate file. Btw, that default is not related to any resolution. The default theme however is cabbiev2. |
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| 16:34:43 | jhMikeS | ocin: it's in /apps/gui/wps.c , starting approx. line 130 |
| 16:39:03 | ocin | thanks |
| 16:40:04 | bluebrother | maybe we should rename rockbox_default to rockbox_classic? |
| 16:41:09 | JdGordon | ocin: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P if that is the one you want |
| 16:41:17 | JdGordon | although its still 50:50 if it is |
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| 16:46:11 | ocin | http://omploader.org/vNGludw thats the one I'm liiking for, called rockbox_default in the wps settings menu |
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| 16:51:21 | ocin | JdGordon: looks like it is the one |
| 16:51:50 | JdGordon | uber blurry cam :D |
| 16:52:21 | topik | cool, i'm saving that one too so i can change it a bit |
| 16:52:25 | topik | on the clip+ it's great |
| 16:52:39 | ocin | yeah, mobile phone failed to focus :p |
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| 16:53:28 | ocin | it's one of the few useable wps for the clip |
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| 16:58:04 | bertrik | ocin, the cabbie v2 wps for the clip was modified a bit this weekend to unify it with an existing one for a remote with the same resolution |
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| 17:00:52 | ocin | cabbiev2 does not look bad too but personally I don't really like it |
| 17:04:23 | JdGordon | damn sansa for makeing the yellow 16px instead of 8 or 10 |
| 17:04:35 | ocin | ah! iAmp is used as the default one, just figured |
| 17:04:55 | JdGordon | 6.35MB buffer on the clip+? yeah right? |
| 17:05:10 | JdGordon | ocin: ? no it isnt |
| 17:05:40 | ocin | it looks the same like rockbox_default |
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| 17:06:12 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r26634): Updated URL to videolan.org logo |
| 17:06:27 | Zagor | doing the heavy lifting now B) |
| 17:06:46 | ocin | rockbox info telling me 6.19mb buffer JdGordon |
| 17:07:01 | JdGordon | I thought the clip had a tiny buffer? |
| 17:07:27 | JdGordon | apparenlty it has 8mb |
| 17:07:35 | FlynDice | clip does clip+ has 8MB |
| 17:07:46 | * | FlynDice is slow as usual |
| 17:08:03 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 17:10:43 | ocin | http://themes.rockbox.org/themes/128x64/basipeak/wps-basipeak-wps.PNG - 1. what is the icon in the top right indicating? 2. is it possible to get rid of the dots between the visualisation bars, they look like artifacts? :p |
| 17:10:59 | topik | flash access |
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| 17:13:26 | Torne | ocin: the dots are the scale.. |
| 17:14:19 | ocin | Torne: I know |
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| 17:17:13 | JdGordon | not without editing the code |
| 17:21:54 | Stummi | hm, i am wondering if it would be possible, to port the gcc to rockbox *g* |
| 17:22:38 | ocin | clipline, dancepuffduo, engineer2 are "broken" on the clip(+) by the way (mainly because if the yellow) |
| 17:22:38 | Stummi | and how much time it would take to compile rockox at my 8-mhz-arm fuse :D |
| 17:24:13 | JdGordon | Stummi: belive it or not, that isnt the worst idea we've ever heard! |
| 17:24:27 | ocin | firefox! |
| 17:24:44 | Stummi | lol |
| 17:25:04 | JdGordon | ahem ""I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard."" |
| 17:25:12 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5780 |
| 17:26:03 | Stummi | lol |
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| 17:30:07 | Stummi | but a python-port would be a nice thing *g* |
| 17:31:53 | Zagor | rbutil calls itself RockboxUtility.exe when it copies itself to a player, even in linux |
| 17:44:37 | n1s | to confuse poor windows users, no doubt :) |
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| 17:46:17 | bluebrother | rbutil is now called RockboxUtility btw :) |
| 17:48:04 | Torne | Stummi: a python port would not be particularly useful, really |
| 17:48:46 | Torne | i've looked at it |
| 17:50:32 | Torne | Stummi: lua doesnt' get a great deal of use, so adding another embedded language which is far larger and slower is probably not super relevant |
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| 17:51:38 | Torne | also, how to actully include it would be a problem in itself; lua's source is tiny enough that we can just drop it into our repo, but python's source is garantuan by comparison |
| 17:51:54 | Torne | maintaining what would effectively be a fork is not great |
| 17:52:48 | n1s | i love whaen people suggests we port flash to rockbox since that will by some magic mechanism bring a flashier gui :) |
| 17:53:10 | n1s | has anyone done any thing noteworthy with the lua thing? |
| 17:53:45 | Torne | there's a game or two implemented in it, i think |
| 17:54:19 | Torne | the problem with python is we'd have to throw out huge chunks of the standard library tohave any hope of fitting on target |
| 17:54:46 | Torne | we don't have dynamic loading so all extension modules we wanted would need to be compiled in, and that adds up very fast.. then the memory usage of imported pythonc ode is also considerable |
| 17:55:14 | n1s | ah, yes there are 4 lua plugins |
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| 17:55:40 | pixelma | 4? I only know of the boomshine one |
| 17:55:40 | JdGordon | I expect eventually someone will redo the wps in lua |
| 17:56:01 | Torne | boomshine, stopwatch, plus helloworld and test_viewports which don't really count |
| 17:56:08 | Torne | so yeah, one game, one app plugin, and two test/demo things |
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| 18:36:50 | bluebrother | the lang file cleanup revealed a serious flaw in Rockbox Utility: it always uses daily versions for voices |
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| 19:04:14 | bluebrother | Hello |
| 19:11:32 | kisak | greetings |
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| 19:29:33 | Rob2223 | Does anything got done regarding RB-USB for the SANSAs at devcon? |
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| 19:37:15 | CIA-6 | New commit by roolku (r26635): fix typo in r26245 (I guess not many people use rtc_alarm with gigabeat f) |
| 19:37:47 | gevaerts | Rob2223: the AMS sansas? |
| 19:37:56 | Rob2223 | yes |
| 19:38:20 | gevaerts | pamaury worked on it, and he now has the USB tracer to help him |
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| 20:01:48 | Rob2223 | ah ok |
| 20:02:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26636): Move retrieval of revision and release numbers to RockboxInfo class. ... |
| 20:02:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26637): Distinguish between release and current build when installing voice files. ... |
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| 20:12:52 | pixelma | bluebrother: do you have your M:Robe100 handy and could help me out finding the keymap of the grqphical eq? |
| 20:13:02 | pixelma | or graphical |
| 20:14:04 | bluebrother | pixelma: sure, just need to find the cable |
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| 20:14:20 | pixelma | battery flat? |
| 20:14:34 | notlistening | bluebrother, I hate missing cables |
| 20:15:26 | bluebrother | no. Hmm, seems I even updated Rockbox recently (thought it was ages old) |
| 20:15:51 | pixelma | speaking of missing cables... there was one USB mini-B cable over at the DevCon place - so in case anyone misses it we took it with us |
| 20:16:18 | bluebrother | fortunately standard cables are rather easy to replace :) |
| 20:16:40 | bluebrother | (which is what I really hate about all those players with non-standard connectors :( ) |
| 20:16:52 | pixelma | true |
| 20:17:04 | bluebrother | ok, can check |
| 20:17:29 | pixelma | bluebrother: could you tell me which buttons move up and down between the bands, increase/decrease values and which one is for switching the thing to set and which leaves the scren |
| 20:18:13 | pixelma | seems to be more or less standard actions and I would have to read my way through the keymap file otherwise (or try in a sim) |
| 20:18:54 | bluebrother | up/down: move between bands |
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| 20:19:08 | bluebrother | left/right: decrease / increase value |
| 20:19:35 | bluebrother | Select: toggle between Gain, Cutoff and Q |
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| 20:20:51 | bluebrother | entering: from the menu (got there via context menu / sound settings). Is there a button for entering the EQ at all? |
| 20:21:10 | bluebrother | ah, looks I misread :) |
| 20:21:18 | pixelma | not that I'm aware of |
| 20:21:36 | pixelma | great thanks. :) I'm updating the button table and it misses half of the targets and there are quite some errors in the rest of it |
| 20:21:48 | bluebrother | thought you asked about how to enter the EQ. Confused me a bit, but you didn't ask that at all :) |
| 20:22:23 | bluebrother | any other target I could help by trying out? |
| 20:23:18 | pixelma | I think I've covered all of them for now |
| 20:23:55 | bluebrother | ok, nice |
| 20:24:18 | pixelma | I was just wondering if I should introduce \Actions for it to make the table simpler but thought it's more important to give the correct info for now |
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| 20:41:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26638): Sort rbutil.ini general section and rename voice_url for clarity. |
| 20:48:22 | * | amiconn found teh problem |
| 20:48:30 | amiconn | The architecture parameter was wrong |
| 20:48:53 | amiconn | If you specify a nonexisting architecture, rbclient.pl doesn't handle that well |
| 20:51:14 | amiconn | worx |
| 20:55:34 | amiconn | Unhelpful: The PCM codec can play any standard sample rate (8/11/12/16/22/24/32/44/48 kHz), mono or stereo, little endian or big endian, 8 or 16 bit pcm |
| 20:55:42 | amiconn | So WAV and AIFF are possible |
| 20:55:56 | amiconn | Things like ADPCM could be decoded on the SH1 |
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| 20:58:09 | Unhelpful | amiconn: yes, but ADPCM has lousy compression ratios *and* sound quality... you could pretty much guarantee better performance on both counts with the MPA codec :) |
| 20:58:30 | Unhelpful | unless you already have an ADPCM file, i suppose |
| 20:58:53 | amiconn | I've been thinking about the latter |
| 20:59:27 | * | pixelma has a very few IMA ADPCM files |
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| 21:00:15 | Unhelpful | "just to not make it worse by transcoding to mp3", basically? |
| 21:01:09 | pixelma | but quality doesn't suffer noticably when transcoded to MP3, they are just so bad originally. I just keep them as a "souvenir" - those are live recordings from a concert I went to |
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| 21:17:18 | Buschel | phew! after 2 1/2 hours eabi toolchain has been built for cygwin. never thought it would take this long... |
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| 22:16:09 | Llorean | Torne: You there? |
| 22:16:34 | gevaerts | Llorean: unlikely |
| 22:17:17 | Llorean | Ah well, it's not urgent. |
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| 22:32:35 | Buschel | short test_codec runs with eabi gcc 4.4.4 against arm-elf gcc 4.0.3 on an iPod Video (PP502x) show similar results to kugel's tests. mp3 speed is nearly identical, mpc is minor slower (-0.4%), flac is reasonable slower (-8%). |
| 22:33:21 | Buschel | at least for flac this more or less irrelevant as the resulting real-time need is still (far) beyond the unboosted clock |
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| 22:52:18 | Buschel | interesting. with eabi it is possible to disable the asm implementation of dct32 in libmad (this lead to hard crash with former compiler).if combined with -O1 (nstead of -O2) this speeds up mp3 decoding from 21.1 MHz to 20.5 MHz on my iPod Video. |
| 22:53:53 | Buschel | -> http://www.pastebin.org/313497 |
| 22:54:49 | Buschel | these results are similar to what I have experienced in mpc decoder. the dct32 asm routine is _slower_ than a gcc compiled version. |
| 22:55:03 | bertrik | nice |
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| 22:56:23 | Buschel | maybe mr. somebody should check this on other arm's as well |
| 22:58:59 | simonrvn | so what makes the v2 fuzes be in "unusable" status? |
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| 22:59:24 | simonrvn | www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
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| 23:09:32 | Buschel | good night |
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| 23:24:44 | simonrvn | dunno who collects the firmwares on daniel.haxx.se but here's a 02.03.33 one: simonraven.kisikew.org/src/sansa/fuzev2/fuze02.03.33.zip |
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| 23:28:38 | Bagder | what's that "clpp_data.dat" file within the zip? |
| 23:31:20 | Bagder | other firmware zips don't have that, so this 2.3.33 file is much bigger than usual |
| 23:34:51 | simonrvn | hmm, sec |
| 23:36:33 | simonrvn | well the first line in mcview shows ID3......vTIT2.......slotRadio Promotion Rev5.TPE1... ...SanDisk.TYER.......2010.TCON.......Rock.GEOB.........SfMarkers |
| 23:36:59 | simonrvn | probably some promo video for slotradio |
| 23:37:05 | simonrvn | or mp3 |
| 23:37:34 | simonrvn | also that renaming the bin with T, A etc. works too |
| 23:38:38 | simonrvn | i was also successful in using the mkamsboot in SVN with the bootloader-fuzev2.sansa and that OF revision |
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| 23:41:28 | Bagder | thanks, firmware added |
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| 23:43:12 | simonrvn | np :) |
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