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| 00:14:55 | simonrvn | so what tool should i use to pop open my fuze? i don't want to break the plastic clips. |
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| 00:44:46 | jxself | Oh wait. v 3.6 makes it possible to use Rockbox on Sansa e250v2? Awesome, and thanks. :) |
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| 00:53:56 | Antibuddha | how hard would it be to make a rockbox software hard drive based music server from scratch parts? |
| 00:54:30 | Antibuddha | i mean like the bare necessities... a hard drive, battery, spdif output, and lcd screen, with simple controls like an mp3 player |
| 00:54:55 | Antibuddha | there is great need for software for diy music transports |
| 00:55:18 | Antibuddha | freaking audiophile companies want to charge $1000-3000 for a hard drive and software |
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| 01:01:52 | Dhraakellian | Antibuddha: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LyreProject ? |
| 01:02:11 | Antibuddha | cool tyvm i will read |
| 01:02:25 | Dhraakellian | 'though I tihnk their goals may be a little bit different |
| 01:02:39 | Antibuddha | i have suggested to rockbox to make their own open source player for years |
| 01:02:46 | Antibuddha | its good to see they are trying to do it |
| 01:05:57 | Dhraakellian | I seem to remember something about getting a company to manufacture it rather than it being quite so DIY, but I haven't been paying close attention |
| 01:07:30 | Antibuddha | there's this one small business in china, audio-gd, with great quality transports and other electronics, but they don't have software or any products like a hard drive based audio transport |
| 01:07:51 | Antibuddha | i bet if they had access to the software they could make a great hard drive transport, and their prices are very low |
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| 01:15:02 | Antibuddha | the company is going to release a battery powered dac amp soon |
| 01:15:19 | Antibuddha | would be nice if they put it on hold and tried making an mp3 player |
| 01:18:57 | Antibuddha | im going to ask people at cisc memory player if they are interested in an arm9 rockbox based music transport. they use computers with special bit perfect and ram buffering software to increase sq, but i figure arm9 controller must be superior |
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| 01:20:31 | Mobius-1 | good day rockbox users. |
| 01:21:03 | Antibuddha | hi |
| 01:22:02 | Mobius-1 | i love the lua scripting for rockbox. kinda wish the documentation wasn't lacking so much :\ |
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| 03:08:28 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26639): Theme Editor: Implemented document load functionality |
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| 03:27:18 | S_a_i_n_t_ | JdGordon: Any particular reason you asked about pacbox? |
| 03:27:24 | S_a_i_n_t_ | I use it fairly often. |
| 03:31:25 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Torne: USB charging for iPod, congrats ;) |
| 03:32:40 | hamish_ | Is there a SUB driver being worked on for the sansa fuze? |
| 03:32:44 | hamish_ | *USB |
| 03:33:36 | S_a_i_n_t_ | (immesnse sarcasm) no, they figure they'll |
| 03:33:44 | S_a_i_n_t_ | leave it as it is ;) |
| 03:34:14 | hamish_ | Is there someway I can help? |
| 03:35:16 | saratoga | dig through the current driver and see what its missing |
| 03:38:17 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t_: there is a patch i was looking at for it |
| 03:38:18 | simonrvn | it's on the wiki. seems simple enough for a coder. |
| 03:38:47 | S_a_i_n_t_ | JdGordon: Does it do anything particularly interesting? |
| 03:39:09 | JdGordon | im not sure |
| 03:39:33 | saratoga | or i guess dig through the fuze USB driver and see how it works |
| 03:39:41 | saratoga | fuze binary's driver i mean |
| 03:43:23 | saratoga | hamish_: you might also talk to pamaury the next time hes on |
| 03:54:31 | JdGordon | ok, skin breaking is going in pretty soon... |
| 03:54:43 | JdGordon | this is pretty muc the last chance to change any tags without causing much annoyance |
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| 04:04:12 | hamish_ | saratoga, I |
| 04:04:26 | hamish_ | 'm only a beginner coder... :P |
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| 04:18:25 | JdGordon | saratoga: are you going to commit thw pictureeflow+wps patch? |
| 04:18:34 | JdGordon | 7 sub patches now :/ |
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| 04:51:51 | saratoga | JdGordon: no you probably should since i haven't looked at the pictureflow code |
| 04:52:00 | JdGordon | neither |
| 04:52:29 | saratoga | well theres always that email i sent to the list |
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| 05:23:03 | JdGordon | saratoga: I dont really see the need for someone who actually worked on pictureflow to review the patches |
| 05:23:16 | JdGordon | if they work then a general review should be good enough |
| 05:23:26 | JdGordon | especially if csavery wants to contnuie working on it |
| 05:25:19 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t_: oy |
| 05:25:43 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26640): Theme Editor: Added a preferences dialog and allowed modification of the syntax highlighting and editor colors |
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| 05:27:45 | JdGordon | bieber: woo! looking good |
| 05:27:53 | bieber | Thanks |
| 05:28:31 | JdGordon | do you know how you're going to the renderer yet? |
| 05:29:32 | bieber | Tentatively, I still need to read up more on Qt's graphics API. My plan is to try and give each element of the tree its own graphics object, and then have the parent nodes composite all their children and so on until it gets to the top of the tree |
| 05:29:55 | bieber | Then apparently Qt will let me do things like handling mouse clicks on the individual objects, so I don't have to deal with collision detection and all that |
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| 05:30:48 | JdGordon | so the code wont be usable at all for rockbox? |
| 05:31:08 | bieber | No, I'm planning on straight C++ |
| 05:31:10 | bieber | Sorry |
| 05:31:19 | JdGordon | I've got a patch ready which changes the draw order which shuold make things line up more |
| 05:32:46 | bieber | btw, will the .cfg files for the themes get mad if I insert a field that Rockbox doesn't use? |
| 05:32:51 | JdGordon | thinking ahead, (and maybe to get help anyway) can you do a tutorial (or at least document) on how to add new tags once you know how it will all work? |
| 05:33:05 | JdGordon | as long as it starts with a # it will be fine |
| 05:33:39 | Llorean | What would you put in themes that Rockbox wouldn't use? |
| 05:34:24 | bieber | Just diagnostic info for the editor |
| 05:34:41 | bieber | I want to be able to maintain projects using just the .cfg files, but the editor needs to know what target the theme is for |
| 05:34:42 | * | JdGordon is slightyl worried that eventually someone will add a tag and forget or not know how to add it to the editor |
| 05:35:06 | bieber | JdGordon: No problem. Parsing, of course, is easy. Hopefully rendering will also be easy when I get that built |
| 05:35:25 | bieber | I also need to update my project Wiki page, so I'm thinking tonight I'll just sit down and write documentation for a while |
| 05:35:36 | JdGordon | na, docmentation is boring |
| 05:35:45 | Llorean | Why does the editor need to know what target the theme is for? |
| 05:35:54 | JdGordon | ok, here we go! |
| 05:36:00 | Llorean | Shouldn't you have the option to display the theme as it'd be seen on various targets, since themes can often be used on many targets? |
| 05:36:34 | JdGordon | screen size+depth isnt the only thing that determines if a theme is usable on a target |
| 05:36:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, so the "view on target" list should restrict itself based on what features the theme seems to require. |
| 05:37:36 | JdGordon | that does make sense |
| 05:37:38 | bieber | You can view on different targets, but it would be nice to at least have it remember the primary target you're working with, so you don't have to pick from a list every time you load the project |
| 05:37:52 | bieber | I'm sure I could include a list of targets in the .cfg file as well |
| 05:38:02 | Llorean | bieber: Can't the list be computed? |
| 05:38:17 | Llorean | You look at what the theme requires, and eliminate targets that can't deliver it (below minimum resolution, don't have RTC, etc...) |
| 05:38:32 | bieber | That's doable |
| 05:39:12 | Llorean | I'm just not too fond of inserting lines into the theme.cfg that don't serve a purpose for Rockbox since people downloading the .cfg may not even know of the theme editor. |
| 05:39:39 | Llorean | If you download a theme for your D2, you don't want to see "#target: ip5g" or whatever in the .cfg and be confused |
| 05:40:24 | Llorean | I also think people using the theme editor will *generally* be using it for one target (whichever one they own / design for) so it's probably pretty safe to just keep track of what the last used "display on" option was and go with that, prompting if the current theme won't work on that device for some reason |
| 05:41:30 | Llorean | JdGordon: besides resolution, what features restrict themes? I thought use of the RTC tag had a fallback if the RTC wasn't present, because of the H100 RTC situation. Are there other tags that represent possibly non-present hardware? |
| 05:41:37 | Llorean | Or is it just color depth and resolution? |
| 05:41:52 | JdGordon | fm tags, rec tags |
| 05:42:20 | Llorean | Ah, right. |
| 05:42:22 | Llorean | Other screens. |
| 05:42:55 | JdGordon | I would have no problem with the config having the line "# theme build by the theme editor for screen size 176x220x16" and from that work out the targets it will work on based on the tags |
| 05:43:49 | bieber | I might also try for a project file that just compresses all the associated files together |
| 05:44:00 | bieber | Then you could generate a theme distribution from that |
| 05:44:11 | Llorean | JdGordon: Would it make sense to make that into a genuine value somewhere (like in the .wps) so that Rockbox rejects WPS files that would draw viewports or whatnot off screen? |
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| 05:44:17 | bieber | I'll mull it over tonight, have to go for now |
| 05:44:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, I dont think so |
| 05:44:49 | Llorean | Why not? |
| 05:46:08 | JdGordon | because doing that isnt catastrofic |
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| 05:49:25 | Llorean | Loading a theme designed for a screen size larger than your screen can cause some noticeable issues. Why not include "screen size" as an actual property of the theme? |
| 05:50:19 | JdGordon | nothing dangerous though.. it wont stop you from using rockbox and being able to rundo it |
| 05:50:32 | JdGordon | It might not even work at all... I cant remember how strcit the viewport parsing is |
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| 06:58:05 | Buschel | saratoga: you there? did you already see the libmad measurements w/o COP? |
| 06:58:40 | saratoga | Buschel: was just typing my response |
| 06:58:50 | saratoga | The original ARM optimizations were for the ifp port, which was an old device with 64KB of IRAM and 1 MB of RAM, so it was probably meant to get the DCT entirely into IRAM. |
| 06:58:50 | Buschel | :) |
| 06:59:38 | saratoga | as long as you're looking at these things, can I interest you in the ffmpeg dct32 routine: http://git.ffmpeg.org/?p=ffmpeg;a=blob_plain;f=libavcodec/mpegaudiodec.c;hb=HEAD |
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| 07:00:02 | saratoga | i was just counting its add/muls now |
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| 07:02:28 | saratoga | actually going over that code it looks like it does a lot more muls |
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| 07:05:05 | saratoga | the ffmpeg mp3 decoder is supposed to be a bit faster then stock libmad on x86, but everywhere i look it seems like it choses a worse algorithm |
| 07:05:25 | saratoga | i wonder if theres just some really stupid thing libmad does that makes up for all these little advantages it has |
| 07:05:46 | Buschel | saratoga: it looks like the dct32 which I used in mpc before. you can recognize this in the COS-tab (there is a 10.19 value visible). this implementation needs some pre- and postshifting to avoid overflow in interal operations (see BF for COS0_15). |
| 07:06:08 | Buschel | saratoga: I changed this version to the current one, which is kind of derived from libmad's |
| 07:07:36 | saratoga | i think i looked at the imdct libmad uses and decided it was optimal from a mul/add stand point |
| 07:07:43 | saratoga | any other ideas what can be improved in libmad? |
| 07:08:24 | saratoga | further improvements won't help PP so much, but they're quite welcome on the arm9 targets |
| 07:12:01 | Buschel | saratoga: maybe it is possible to re-arrange dct32 and make use of ldm/stm. nevertheless this will not improve speed that much −− I remember dct32 to need about 5 MHz on mpc, libmad should be similar with -O1 |
| 07:12:25 | saratoga | that'll help a little on PP, but won't make much difference for arm9 |
| 07:12:39 | saratoga | it ldm is no faster there, though it saves a bit of memory |
| 07:13:03 | saratoga | let me test your patch on arm9e |
| 07:14:10 | Buschel | saratoga: I also remember libmad to need MHz's for synth and dct32 that were nearly identical to mpc (which is more or less maximum optimied :). I do not think we should research this area −− except for code beautification. The filterbank implementation is a mess... |
| 07:15:15 | Buschel | saratoga: I cannot make statements regarding the imdct implementation. Is it reasonably fast compared to aac? |
| 07:18:16 | saratoga | its hard to compare since its very small |
| 07:18:26 | saratoga | 36 point verses 2048 in aac |
| 07:18:36 | saratoga | but the algorithm it uses is known to be very nearly optimal |
| 07:18:43 | Buschel | ok |
| 07:18:55 | saratoga | according to my googling of IEEE transactions papers from the 1990s |
| 07:19:18 | Buschel | do we have measurements of the CPU-needs for libmad's imdtc? |
| 07:20:05 | saratoga | when i tested 2 years ago it needed 27% of CPU time on PP IIRC |
| 07:20:13 | saratoga | but that number is from memory so i could be off |
| 07:20:31 | Buschel | so, about 10-12 MHz |
| 07:21:00 | Buschel | We should re-measure this. |
| 07:21:21 | saratoga | checking on arm9 would be good too, since its radically different then pp |
| 07:22:43 | saratoga | 34.94MHz on Clipv2 with your patch |
| 07:22:58 | Buschel | so, from recalling the profiling looks like => synth-dewindow=12MHz, dct32=5MHz, imdct=12MHz => 29MHz. There are still 10 MHz left. |
| 07:23:22 | Buschel | well, profiling it again would be better than recalling ;o) |
| 07:25:24 | saratoga | bitstream parsing, frequency inversion, etc |
| 07:25:43 | saratoga | all that weird mpeg crap |
| 07:26:08 | saratoga | i'll try commenting out synth_full and running test_codec on that |
| 07:26:25 | saratoga | (on clipv2) |
| 07:26:36 | Buschel | how fast is libmad on clipv2 using svn? |
| 07:27:00 | saratoga | i'm not sure, funman keeps changing the iram clock |
| 07:27:06 | Buschel | :) |
| 07:27:25 | saratoga | 34.94MHz |
| 07:27:30 | saratoga | huh |
| 07:27:38 | saratoga | that seems odd |
| 07:28:04 | Buschel | something went wrong with applying the patch? |
| 07:28:47 | saratoga | oh i used regular arm-elf-gcc |
| 07:30:20 | saratoga | how do i configure it to use eabi? |
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| 07:33:51 | JdGordon | gevaerts: your build client is broken :) |
| 07:35:19 | Buschel | saratoga: configure −−eabi |
| 07:35:33 | Buschel | saratoga: have to go now (first to dentist, then to work) |
| 07:35:41 | Buschel | wish me luck for the dentist... |
| 07:35:53 | saratoga | ok i need to sleep anyway |
| 07:36:10 | Buschel | see you later :) |
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| 07:36:28 | saratoga | 35.61MHz if I just comment out the ASM code |
| 07:36:47 | saratoga | will try eabi now |
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| 07:40:45 | saratoga | 34.11 MHz |
| 07:40:59 | saratoga | so its 900kHz faster on ARM9E too |
| 07:44:21 | saratoga | 16.87MHz if I disable synth_full completely on EABI |
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| 08:52:56 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26647): temporariliy use S for the timeout param because the parser doesnt handle decimals yet |
| 08:53:10 | literal | < ocin> it looks the same like rockbox_default |
| 08:53:33 | literal | ocin: that's because the iAmp .wps file has errors, so it fails to load, and you get rockbox_default instead |
| 08:55:25 | JdGordon | arg, there is a problem with my skin updater... it always escapes ;'s which mean sublines wont work |
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| 09:00:10 | bieber | JdGordon: Do you want decimals in the parser? |
| 09:00:14 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26648): the updater uncondiotnally changed ; to %; which meant alternating lines stopped working.. hopefully this fixes them |
| 09:00:29 | JdGordon | bieber: limited decimal support |
| 09:00:42 | JdGordon | I think its better to keep that as a S anyway |
| 09:00:48 | bieber | Oh, okay |
| 09:01:01 | JdGordon | the value needs to be 0.2 * SOME_SPECIAL_DEFINE |
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| 09:26:01 | JdGordon | the sooner we drop the legacy parser in the core the better :/ |
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| 09:32:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26649): make %t work |
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| 09:57:58 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26650): Theme Editor: Added font selection |
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| 10:00:51 | bieber | JdGordon: I'm getting some errors opening up random files from the wps directory in the theme editor, is that to be expected? |
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| 10:01:54 | simonrvn | Error on line 7: Argument list expected for instance ^_^ |
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| 10:04:10 | bieber | lol, yes, like that one |
| 10:04:18 | JdGordon | bieber: simonrvn: which wps? |
| 10:04:23 | JdGordon | and with latest svn? |
| 10:04:49 | bieber | Yeah, latest SVN |
| 10:04:59 | bieber | iCatcher is giving me an error |
| 10:05:03 | JdGordon | make install again |
| 10:05:13 | simonrvn | one based on cabbie-enhanced-info. i wouldn't worry about that ;). i think it has to do with the file browser, rather than a wps per se. |
| 10:05:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26651): Theme Editor: Made text editor scroll horizontally |
| 10:06:04 | bieber | Ack, you're right, I do need to get line numbering in there |
| 10:06:16 | simonrvn | my bad, any of them. cabbiev2, mine, |
| 10:06:52 | simonrvn | same, latest |
| 10:07:10 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 10:07:45 | simonrvn | sansafuzev2 |
| 10:08:07 | JdGordon | ok hang on... booting my desktop back into linux |
| 10:08:13 | bieber | Right now I'm looking at iCatcher.128x64x1.220x176x16 |
| 10:08:29 | bieber | I think they're all giving me some errors though...on an insanely long line, no less |
| 10:08:52 | JdGordon | your editor is failing on icatcher? |
| 10:08:53 | simonrvn | it doesn't seem to affect anything |
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| 10:09:39 | * | simonrvn needs to sleep |
| 10:09:41 | bieber | JdGordon: Yeah |
| 10:09:59 | JdGordon1 | arg, I gotta go... back in an hour or so |
| 10:10:06 | bieber | You can shift-select all of them in the open dialog and just flick through the tab bar to see which ones are failing |
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| 10:10:29 | JdGordon1 | the update probably didnt work perfectly :/ |
| 10:10:40 | bieber | It could be parser bugs, too |
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| 10:10:50 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 10:10:59 | bieber | I'll take a closer look at some of them tomorrow |
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| 10:13:41 | bieber | JdGordon: I just found that boxes.220x176x16.wps is using some tags (%Vf and %Vb) that aren't in the tag table |
| 10:15:07 | JdGordon| | damn i thought i commiyed tjem |
| 10:15:20 | JdGordon| | thrg are I |
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| 10:55:25 | GodEater | USB Multimedia key mode doesn't appear to play nice with Windows 7 / foobar2000 |
| 10:55:40 | GodEater | volume control works, but playback controls don't |
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| 11:11:07 | * | S_a_i_n_t_ wonders if JdGordon1, JdGordon| is still around. |
| 11:11:30 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Primarily, wondering what he was "oy" 'd at about ;) |
| 11:14:21 | S_a_i_n_t_ | Arg! S_a_i_n_t_ sees that if he wants this build to work, that he should get around to updating his theme files to the new syntax. |
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| 11:23:17 | chrissavery | Hello - I'm interested in any feedback on FS #11270 - PictureFlow - WPS Integration Patch. This patch may be ready for svn. It is a set of 7 patches that provide some setting options for using PictureFlow in a more seamless way. It also has several bug fixes and smaller enhancements. Comments welcome... |
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| 11:26:46 | S_a_i_n_t_ | JdGordon1: Having some problems with updatetheme.pl... |
| 11:26:56 | S_a_i_n_t_ | it never actually outputs anything. :/ |
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| 11:39:30 | Llorean | chrissavery: I haven't read *all* the comments yet, but I don't like the idea of it going to Pictureflow when playback ends/stops. |
| 11:40:02 | Llorean | Even if it's just when Pictureflow is the hotkey, it means that if someone starts playback via filetree but has pictureflow as the hotkey, they end up in pictureflow after and that's not really ideal. |
| 11:42:11 | chrissavery | is there a way to detect if wps was started via file/database/pictureflow. The reason it does this is because otherwise to get back to pictureflow you have to go to root>plugins>demos>pictureflow. So this assumes you want tighter integration. When it goes to pictureflow on stop I think at that point a single << key gets you into whatever was last menu. |
| 11:42:35 | Llorean | chrissavery: I think that's preferable to dropping people in pictureflow when they may not even have run it this boot though... |
| 11:43:03 | Llorean | If you can fix the integration so that it remembers where the WPS was launched from later, that's great. |
| 11:43:25 | Llorean | But this is kinda an ugly hack that shouldn't really be an "until we get it better, let's do this" kinda thing - the "until we get it better" should be preserving the safer current behaviour there |
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| 11:45:40 | Llorean | Users have no reason to expect changing the hotkey function changes what happens when they leave the WPS - if the WPS is going to return somewhere else it should at the very least be a very explicit option of its own (but, as I said, a proper solution is probably best). |
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| 11:47:44 | chrissavery | Actually I don't consider it undesirable. The reason I created the wps integration was because I wanted to use it as my main interface - default album select mode. So having it go there is exactly what I wanted for a more visual and friendly interface. I would have to explore if there is a return state upon exit of WPS that I can use to decide where to return to. But personally I would prefer it as is since PictureFlow is my pref |
| 11:48:29 | Llorean | Yes, you would |
| 11:48:42 | Llorean | But my point is that it should do everything it can to not cause unexpected behaviour for people who *don't* want this. |
| 11:49:00 | Llorean | "Pictureflow on hotkey" is a separate feature from "return to pictureflow from WPS" and should be treated as such |
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| 11:49:27 | Llorean | If you feel it needs to go back to pictureflow from the WPS, it should be done the "right" way. But the hack should be left out. |
| 11:50:04 | chrissavery | what "hack" are you talkign about? |
| 11:50:31 | Llorean | The one of returning to pictureflow based on the hotkey setting. |
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| 11:54:30 | Llorean | chrissavery: If I've misunderstood how it works, I'm sorry. |
| 11:54:50 | Llorean | I may have overlooked something in some of the comments, a lot of them seemed to be about icons and other things. |
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| 11:56:32 | chrissavery | What is the current behaviour upon playlist ending? I thought it was going to whatever the hotkey is set as. At least, when I tested I found that it always went to the screen that my hotkey was set for. Perhaps it is currently just returning to whatever started WPS? If so then I would need to add a GOTO_PICTUREFLOW root menu value so that when WPS is started with that value it will return via root to pictureflow rather than just s |
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| 11:56:50 | Llorean | chrissavery: Yes, it returns to wherever the WPS was launched from. |
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| 11:59:44 | chrissavery | I'll look into this. I added a GOTO_PICTUREFLOW for enabling pictureflow start screen so that may make it easy to see if a return mode could be used rather than a direct load. |
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| 12:00:36 | Llorean | Okay |
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| 12:17:04 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: you here/ |
| 12:17:13 | S_a_i_n_t | s///?/ |
| 12:18:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Not sure if you have anything to do with it or not...but, I found a parsing error in skinupdater.exe, not sure if that's solely JdGordon's domain or not. |
| 12:19:25 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems it doesn't like it when the .sbs ends with a comment, or in my case *many* commented lines. |
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| 12:21:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Aaaanyway, here's what it did to my comment box at the end of the .sbs http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 12:21:30 | S_a_i_n_t | it seems like it actually choked on the UI viewport. |
| 12:23:19 | S_a_i_n_t | blargh...fail. |
| 12:23:21 | S_a_i_n_t | http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1878348 |
| 12:23:50 | S_a_i_n_t | *there*'s what id did the the UI viewport rather, easy to fix, but strange. |
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| 12:36:14 | * | JdGordon1 returns |
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| 12:36:47 | gibbon_ | hello rockbox world |
| 12:37:25 | JdGordon1 | S_a_i_n_t: haha wtf? |
| 12:38:58 | gibbon_ | rockhost2.jjim.de is back up and hopefully ready to build again... regarding bjorns mail, i also added the eabi compiler |
| 12:39:17 | gibbon_ | what advantage to we hope to get from this? |
| 12:41:02 | GodEater | UMS is bloody choppy on Windows 7 too :( |
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| 12:45:19 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26652): add the Vf and Vb colour tags to the theme editor |
| 12:47:24 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26653): fix FS #11368 - %V was eating the whole line so the %Vf() and %Vb() tags were being ignored |
| 12:48:02 | gevaerts | JdGordon1: I've stopped it now. It can't be broken though, I followed the instructions very precidely! |
| 12:49:31 | GodEater | precidely ? :) |
| 12:49:33 | JdGordon1 | chrissavery: IIRC it is possible to know where the music was started from |
| 12:49:52 | Zagor | gibbon_: binsize improvement, mainly |
| 12:51:28 | JdGordon1 | S_a_i_n_t: I am entirely to blame for the updater... pstebin the erroring sbs |
| 12:53:23 | gibbon_ | Zagor: ok, thanks |
| 12:54:05 | chrissavery | jdgordon: I'm just changing transfer code between wps-pictureflow now. When I started coding it was all new and I didn't know that control passed through root_menu.c. I have a version now that behaves better and uses normal wps returning. It's more standard now but not the way I'd prefer so I'm considering an setting to force stop -> pictureflow. Std works fine if you stick to just wps-pictureflow flips but if you decide to go to |
| 12:55:18 | chrissavery | just exploring now. |
| 12:56:46 | JdGordon1 | I havnt looked at that code in ages, but I think you just need to set the preivous_browser variable when entering pictureflow, when the wps stops music it returns GOTO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER so magi happens |
| 12:56:50 | JdGordon1 | I *think* |
| 12:56:52 | Llorean | chrissavery: There isn't a setting to pick where "stop" returns you to normally. If one's added it should be a separate patch that gives you all the options, rather than pictureflow specific |
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| 12:57:06 | Llorean | chrissavery: Generally you should try to change as little as possible, and split along feature lines for different patches. |
| 12:59:03 | JdGordon | chrissavery: I'm free now to look at the minimal changes if some of those patches are ready |
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| 13:00:05 | JdGordon | bah, I see the early patch is the one which touiches the core |
| 13:00:10 | JdGordon | that makes things difficult |
| 13:00:29 | chrissavery | I'm thinking when you set Hotkey it could be "PictureFlow" or "PictureFlow Forced" - so that the user can decide what flavour they like. But I'm still looking for a return value that will provide default desired behaviour. When it returns from wps with last_screen it only works when directly entered last screen from pictureflow, so it doesn't become a kind of default screen. I see a old_previous_screen that maybe will work. |
| 13:01:14 | JdGordon | no... |
| 13:01:25 | * | JdGordon is looking at your patch |
| 13:01:56 | chrissavery | JdGordon: You may want to look at #2-#7 as they are all pretty small. #1 is the big wps integration and I'm thinking a small patch #8 to come to fix how returning works. If I chg #1 then it will possibly break #2-#7 and I don't want the headache of syncing all them again... |
| 13:02:12 | Llorean | chrissavery: Where you return to absolutely shouldn't be part of the 'hotkey' function |
| 13:02:18 | JdGordon | in your change to root_menu.c all you need to do is before starting the plugin, do previous_browser = next_screen |
| 13:02:20 | Llorean | That's not what "hotkey" is for. |
| 13:02:58 | JdGordon | I really dont like the plugin_load() line beign there 4 times in the patch... |
| 13:03:16 | chrissavery | which patch#? |
| 13:03:22 | JdGordon | 1 |
| 13:04:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by uchida (r26654): text viewer: can selected scroll by column/scroll by screen for the horizontal screen. ... |
| 13:04:49 | JdGordon | yeah, looks like you just need to set previous_browser = GO_TO_PICTUREFLOW: before breaking that case and it will work |
| 13:05:02 | JdGordon | assuming next_screen after exiting is GO_TO_WPS |
| 13:06:17 | chrissavery | ya, that's what I'm looking at right now. It could be just two places - one for root_menu.c: load_plugin_screen and then once for hotkey code, though even that could be removed if I can code in a wps return value GOTO_PICTUREFLOW that lets only root_menu do the loading. |
| 13:06:21 | JdGordon | the change to wps.c is not needed |
| 13:06:40 | JdGordon | that would be ideal |
| 13:07:24 | chrissavery | agreed. |
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| 13:08:42 | JdGordon | I also dont like "while (!tagcache_is_usable()) sleep(HZ);" |
| 13:10:09 | JdGordon | splashing "db not ready" or "loading" would be FAR better |
| 13:10:26 | JdGordon | and checking for action_user_abort() to cancel the loop |
| 13:10:44 | JdGordon | also you have to make sure the db is even initialised |
| 13:13:52 | ucchan | rasher: login ? |
| 13:13:57 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26655): off by one. FS #11369 |
| 13:14:01 | chrissavery | in my changes now it has an ifdef so that GOTO_PICTUREFLOW case is only if have tagcache |
| 13:14:39 | JdGordon | ok, but the database isnt automatically intiialised |
| 13:15:04 | JdGordon | *yes* if you use pf you will hve it inited but that still isnt a safe check |
| 13:15:11 | JdGordon | that is an infinite loop otherwise |
| 13:15:13 | chrissavery | that tagcache_is_usbale line is because during start screen it has to wait for tag_cache init otherwise pictureflow returns dead. maybe that waiting should occur in pictureflow not in root_menu |
| 13:15:58 | JdGordon | no, it is ok in root_menu... it just needs to be cancelable |
| 13:16:12 | chrissavery | I was going to add a max wait time there but haven't done it yet. I'd prefer if it didn't marr the startup with a message... |
| 13:16:42 | chrissavery | I should look at user_abort method - I didn't knwo there was such a thing. |
| 13:17:35 | JdGordon | action_userabort() |
| 13:17:36 | JdGordon | action.h |
| 13:17:45 | chrissavery | also now changing code in onplay.c so it sets return value instead of direct plugin_load. |
| 13:17:51 | JdGordon | great |
| 13:18:10 | JdGordon | is perrikwp here? |
| 13:21:13 | * | JdGordon grumbles about lack of willing testers |
| 13:25:16 | GodEater | ugh, UMS is SO bad on Windows 7 I can't even use it :( |
| 13:29:05 | chrissavery | JdGordan: I'll have an updated #1 soon that fixes a number of these issues. It won't chg pictureflow.c at all so won't break #2-#7 fortunately. |
| 13:29:14 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:29:27 | JdGordon | I've been distracted by skin bugs, but Ill be here for a while |
| 13:29:59 | JdGordon | chrissavery: what timezone you in? |
| 13:30:27 | chrissavery | I'm in Bangkok, Thailand so it's UTC+7 or 6:31pm here now. |
| 13:31:25 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 13:33:55 | chrissavery | I keep weird hours - will be around for many hours now. |
| 13:39:48 | JdGordon | +7 works well for me, I'm +10 |
| 13:45:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26656): Fix FS #11370 - BEWARE when useing viewport colours. ... |
| 13:45:23 | JdGordon | ok, back to pf |
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| 14:03:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r26657): text viewer: some fixes related to font. ... |
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| 14:41:00 | CIA-6 | New commit by jdgordon (r26658): this probably fixes FS #11373 |
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| 14:51:39 | perrikwp | jdgordon: r26658 did fix FS #11373 |
| 14:51:59 | JdGordon | ok, show me screenshots and the wps |
| 14:52:46 | perrikwp | ok in just a couple of minutes |
| 14:57:39 | kugel | JdGordon: "probably"? but you do an actual test, don't you? |
| 14:58:03 | * | kugel thinks commit messages shouldn't be chat messages |
| 14:58:18 | JdGordon | well seen as I didnt get a great description of the problem it wasnt exactly easy to know if that bug was the one or not |
| 14:59:19 | kugel | JdGordon: maybe you could be a bit more descriptive on some commits, e.g. r26644? |
| 14:59:35 | JdGordon | maybe |
| 14:59:51 | kugel | I would appreciate it |
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| 15:00:02 | perrikwp | do you want the wps code and a screenshot of the fixed wps or a before/after screenshot? Also, sorry if I wasn't descriptive enough in the bug report. |
| 15:00:44 | JdGordon | screenshot of the broken wps |
| 15:00:53 | perrikwp | oh ok |
| 15:01:08 | JdGordon | wait, fixed? was this a problem with the updater or a real bug? |
| 15:01:18 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r26659): text viewer: gigabeat f: add buttons to do one line up/down, and one column left/right. |
| 15:01:20 | perrikwp | a real bug |
| 15:01:51 | kugel | btw, shouldn't the updater be used very soon before people start uploading manually fixed themes? |
| 15:03:58 | perrikwp | I do think the updater has a problem also with alternating sublines. It inserted a '%' between each subline, I manually fixed that. Unless that was on purpose. |
| 15:04:37 | JdGordon | yes, I know about that problem... not really sure how to fix it |
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| 15:10:08 | perrikwp | I do have another wps I have tried updating, but have gotten stuck. It partially works, as in only a couple of viewports show up. Maybe you could help me debug it? |
| 15:10:40 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r26660): fix red. |
| 15:12:03 | JdGordon | I'm more interested in these phantom )'s |
| 15:12:10 | perrikwp | ok |
| 15:12:31 | marc2003 | jdgordon: cabbiev2 is broken with r26658: http://nzugzq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pnc-SzlS2YZY8uKJ1Cv7PY5C4IPs8mgggZX2XYsAjAACaovpxahmjEQWAJW7lxohebkMOoeVUSEpSlcoVI6FtacEt66czphsx/compare.png |
| 15:12:43 | marc2003 | that's r26652 on the left |
| 15:13:09 | marc2003 | i'm not sure which one inbetween broke it. :p |
| 15:13:18 | JdGordon | which is correct? |
| 15:14:47 | perrikwp | cabbiev2 works fine here with r26658 on a Gigabeat S |
| 15:16:05 | marc2003 | r26652 on the left is the correct one |
| 15:17:29 | perrikwp | Although the problem your having looks exactly like the problem I'm having with trying to update my other theme gigaWidgets |
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| 15:18:10 | perrikwp | some of the lines/viewports don't show up but others do |
| 15:19:12 | chrissavery | JdGordon: Just posted patch #1a to replace #1 on FS #11270. Should be much more agreeable for integration. Simplifies changes and restores normal flow. |
| 15:20:44 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 15:22:15 | kugel | chrissavery: the mpegplayer has some backlight settings too (but more advanced), maybe that can be reused? |
| 15:26:16 | chrissavery | I'm not sure why pictureflow was set with disabled backlight originally. I added the option to have it as normal. I'd just as soon have removed the disable code but thought this was more flexible because someone must have wanted it disabled. I'll have a look at mpegplayer - not sure what other backlight options would be useful though. |
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| 15:32:23 | chrissavery | kugel: ah, I see it has brightness control. if people want that I could look at adding it. I don't need it myself. My main thing was to restore normal dimming. |
| 15:34:16 | kugel | yea, it just an idea |
| 15:34:42 | pondlife | I'd think that Pictureflow should use the standard settings - it's really just a replacement for the album list (conceptually)... |
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| 15:35:44 | pondlife | Ulitmately, it would be nice if it could be driven from any suitable Database selection... i.e. where art is available |
| 15:43:03 | chrissavery | pondlife: on my todo list is options for a few different sort orders - artist+album, album, genre+artist+album. I'll be doing that once this current bundle is done. It would be nice if you could select an order in the database to use as default for pictureflow. Right now my tag_cache skills are poor. I can see the basics but I'm still figuring out how to do ordering with multiple tags. If anyone knows good example code for that, p |
| 15:43:32 | pondlife | heh, hence my use of "Ultimately" ;) |
| 15:44:09 | pondlife | I was mainly thinking of not complicating it too much - just look at it as a flashy list (albeit one that scrolls sideways, not up/down) |
| 15:45:58 | chrissavery | sure. it's a nice way to choose an album to play. which is why I wanted it integrated. it was too hard to get at using the menu. |
| 15:47:11 | chrissavery | I was going to add a root menu item for it but saw that menu changes are somewhat taboo. |
| 15:52:55 | pondlife | Does it (still) require the database? I've been away... |
| 15:58:29 | pondlife | If so, then maybe a sensible menu access would be via Database > Album > (Pictureflow) |
| 15:58:48 | pondlife | A special entry akin to <All tracks> and <Random> |
| 15:59:44 | pondlife | Then the database code could pre-index for you, perhaps? (Says /me with no knowledge of how complex this would be...!) |
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| 16:04:07 | kugel | pondlife: that's relatively easy actually, I did it once |
| 16:04:47 | kugel | but people said it shouldn't be done unless it offers the same features as the other entries (e.g. the context menu) |
| 16:05:10 | pondlife | Well, it ought to. But that's possible, I'd think. |
| 16:05:24 | pondlife | And not a showstopper if it doesn't initially. |
| 16:05:30 | kugel | the context menu isn't as easy |
| 16:06:28 | pondlife | No, but adding this doesn't prevent people using the "normal" lists.. |
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| 16:12:05 | chrissavery | I could see a context menu item that jumps into pictureflow with the current list of items. If it saved the list then pictureflow could load it as default. That would be fairly easy, maybe. |
| 16:16:02 | pondlife | Context menus normally refer to the single selected item - so be careful how you'd fit that into the UI... a simple option within the Database listings would probably be easier. |
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| 16:28:10 | chrissavery | It could save the list of the items under the current selection, eg. Artist selected, saves the list you would get if you choose that. It's just an idea. In pictureflow it could have a setting for Normal order or Saved order as default. This would give a lot of flexibilty without writing a lot of new db code. |
| 16:32:07 | pondlife | I was thinking you'd select <Pictureflow>, then the existing db code would work out the list for you. Then rather than displaying a standard list, it would pass this to pictureflow somehow (a file I assume). So the change wouldn't impact the db core at all, just the UI end of things. |
| 16:32:30 | * | pondlife keeps thinking of Rockbox-as-a-web-app ;) |
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| 16:41:11 | saratoga | FS #11374 - Spanish Translation (translated with Yahoo! Babel Fish) |
| 16:41:13 | saratoga | what the heck |
| 16:42:05 | kugel | brandon dowdy again |
| 16:42:37 | kugel | I think he posted a patch before in which he used google translate for afrikaans.lang :) |
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| 16:44:38 | saratoga | hopefully my closing message was clear enough |
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| 16:45:24 | chrissavery1 | is there some reason a "chrissavery1" shows up as a user here now? forgive my irc newbie-ness. |
| 16:45:39 | chrissavery1 | I was just chrissavery a few minutes ago. |
| 16:46:02 | kugel | chrissavery1: you timed out (lost internet connection?) |
| 16:46:19 | saratoga | if you drop from IRC sometimes it does't realize it for a while, so your old name is still in the network and you need a new one until it flushes |
| 16:46:39 | saratoga | irc is strange |
| 16:46:41 | kugel | some clients reconnect before the server notice that you timed out, and then you get a different nick (which depends on the client) because the first one is still there |
| 16:46:59 | Bagder | it realizes it, it just locks the name for a while to make sure the effect isn't abused |
| 16:47:20 | Bagder | irc is a shaky protocol |
| 16:47:22 | chrissavery1 | hmm. ok. pidgin strangeness I guess. no problem. I thought maybe someone was spoofing me now. |
| 16:47:37 | kugel | chrissavery1: '/nick chrissavery' should work |
| 16:47:52 | Bagder | and you can/should register your nick, then you can always get it back |
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| 16:48:13 | chrissavery | thanks. ha ha. |
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| 17:30:41 | funman | _jhMikeS_: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100606#14:33:13 <- where are those macros ? |
| 17:31:31 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r26661): Slovak language update - FS #11350 by Peter Lecky |
| 17:32:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r26662): Update of Czech language - FS #11371 by Marek Salaba |
| 17:37:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, unlikely...but JdGordon: around? |
| 17:37:29 | JdGordon | yes |
| 17:37:42 | JdGordon | not doing rb atm though |
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| 17:41:13 | * | funman broke microphone recording on fuzev1/e200v2 in 3.6 |
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| 17:41:52 | notlistening | domonoky, hey I think i've tracked down all the issue, well most anyways |
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| 17:42:07 | domonoky | :-) i will look into it later.. |
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| 17:42:28 | notlistening | domonoky, yeah no worries |
| 17:43:29 | S_a_i_n_t | huh...cool, I'll pastebin that .sbs just for the sake of you knowing it's here though ;) http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1878478 <−−Full .SBS http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1878348 <−−Part where it spat the dummy. |
| 17:43:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Seemingly on the UI viewport, it seems to have mixed up the FG/BG colours also. :-? |
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| 17:44:23 | mc2739 | funman: it's broke in svn, too |
| 17:44:32 | JdGordon | ok, I'll look in the morning |
| 17:45:10 | funman | mc2739: yep it's r26444 in svn - locking is not enough when recording microphone on AMSv1 |
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| 17:57:17 | S_a_i_n_t | chrissavery: Around? |
| 17:57:30 | chrissavery | here. |
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| 17:58:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps it's just weird wording, but...are those pictureflow patches supposed to be installed sequentially(Urrrgh sp?)? |
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| 17:58:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I've just been using the last one each time, wording on IRC earlier makes me doubt that's correct now. |
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| 17:59:44 | S_a_i_n_t | IIRC, I have #15 in my build now...I wasn't supposed to install 2~15 ON TOP of #1 was I? |
| 17:59:45 | chrissavery | the original ones are composite so only the final one should be done. but the last block on FS is where I break it down into separate patches for the purpose of getting in svn. |
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| 18:00:06 | S_a_i_n_t | aha...sweet. |
| 18:00:09 | chrissavery | breaking them down allows for reverting one if it causes trouble without removing everything. |
| 18:00:30 | S_a_i_n_t | just a few comments I parsed (apparently incorrectly) made me question if they were standalone or not. |
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| 18:01:10 | funman | chrissavery: breaking them down also allows finding the one bit which causes trouble if it happens ;) |
| 18:02:04 | chrissavery | the naming is slightly different, pictureflow-wps-# are composite so last one is good. pictureflow-#-<reason> is the breakdown. last full patch is picture-wps-16.patch which is the one broken down in the last two posts. |
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| 18:05:25 | funman | mc2739: http://pastie.org/995104 |
| 18:06:12 | funman | hm only the pcm-as3525.c bit is relevant |
| 18:06:47 | chrissavery | At this point I would stick with the final post #1a -> #7 ones as it has changes in how the integration is done. |
| 18:08:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, I have no problems with #15 (I think it's 15, I needed to sync it to my own tree...so I have my own versioning of it now which is slightly confising) |
| 18:09:11 | S_a_i_n_t | If you could figure out why "insert" doesn't work from pictureflow for the Nano2g, I'd love-you-long-time. |
| 18:09:28 | funman | cabbiev2 progress information is a bit too low on fuze |
| 18:09:42 | funman | the shuffle/repeat icons hide the bottom part |
| 18:10:35 | S_a_i_n_t | oh, bugger.. chrissavery, that was aimed at yourself if you didn't guess already. |
| 18:10:38 | chrissavery | saint: you mean when you try to add to the playlist? |
| 18:10:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Though, I know you have a lot on your plate. |
| 18:10:54 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 18:11:12 | S_a_i_n_t | From what I can see, there should be no difference...but, there is. |
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| 18:11:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano1g == fine, Nano2g != fine. |
| 18:11:31 | chrissavery | does it work for replacing and playing current selected album? |
| 18:11:41 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, that works. |
| 18:11:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I just can't append to the playist with the Nano2g |
| 18:11:57 | chrissavery | hmm. no idea off hand. I don't own any apple products. Just one Fuze v2 here. |
| 18:12:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Fair enough. |
| 18:12:39 | chrissavery | There may be a button mapping that prevents the expected key from doing that function? |
| 18:12:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I've lokked at how it's doing the appending (slightly) and from what I can see...it *should* work :/ |
| 18:12:59 | chrissavery | Is it just single track or whole album or both? |
| 18:13:08 | S_a_i_n_t | chrissavery: That's the thing, they both use the same keymap :/ |
| 18:13:16 | S_a_i_n_t | so, I'm greatly confused about it. |
| 18:13:37 | S_a_i_n_t | <chrissavery> Is it just single track or whole album or both? <−− both |
| 18:15:33 | mc2739 | funman: that works on e200v2 |
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| 18:17:35 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26663): as3525v1: fix r26444 which broke mic recording ... |
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| 18:20:04 | * | S_a_i_n_t cries about the horrible state of disrepair his patches/tree is in following devcon/skinbreak stuff :/ |
| 18:20:12 | chrissavery | saint: just verified again that appending works on my Fuze |
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| 18:21:33 | S_a_i_n_t | chrissavery: Thanks, but no need really. I run the same revisions of My Nano1Gs and m Nano2Gs...1G == fine, 2G == No worky with append to playlist :/ |
| 18:22:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, by the way chrissavery: Pidgin *may* support this, not sure...Usually, if you just type the first letter of a nick and press TAB you can cycle through the available nicks. |
| 18:22:46 | S_a_i_n_t | *most* IRCclients do this, /heaps/ easier ;) |
| 18:23:03 | chrissavery | S_a_i_n_t: cool. works. |
| 18:23:10 | S_a_i_n_t | \o/ |
| 18:23:22 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26664): Remove CORELOCK_SWAP (unused since r16981) |
| 18:23:26 | chrissavery | and there I was typing peoples names manually. <doh> |
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| 18:37:45 | AlexP | funman: Do you think r26663 is worth a 3.6.1 for the fuse? Broken recording seems something worth a bug fix release |
| 18:39:42 | funman | AlexP: i'm not sure, myself i only use svn, and this only breaks recording from microphone (FM is fine), and on e200v2 too (all the stable AMSv1) |
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| 18:40:10 | AlexP | funman: I don't know either, maybe I'll send a mail |
| 18:40:13 | funman | i guess we can at least wait a few days in case another problem is found in 3.6 |
| 18:40:17 | n1s | if it affects stable targets i thing a bug fix release is a good idea |
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| 18:45:29 | kugel | funman, AlexP: I think it's worth it yes |
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| 18:51:43 | AlexP | kugel: Is it generally done for all targets, or just the ones with the problem do you know? |
| 18:52:04 | kugel | I think only the affected ones |
| 18:52:28 | kugel | IIRC we had 3.something.1 for archos only because early usb broke |
| 18:52:43 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes351 |
| 18:52:44 | AlexP | ah, rombox or something too? |
| 18:52:58 | funman | ah no this one was for all targets |
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| 18:53:05 | n1s | it makes sense to only release a bugfix for affected targets |
| 18:53:24 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes301 |
| 18:53:28 | lilmackie | hey i'm having an issue with my sansa e270 after updating its build |
| 18:54:32 | funman | 3.0.1 commits were made in 3.0 branch, and v_3_5_1 was tagged from it |
| 18:54:35 | S_a_i_n_t | issues such as...? |
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| 18:54:41 | AlexP | Yeah, OK so just fuze and e200v2? |
| 18:55:44 | lilmackie | well i decided to also put some new themes on as well and i have no idea if that's what screwed it up.. but my wps screen is now white font on a black background, showing the title, album, time etc, but not formatted outside of the font |
| 18:56:06 | lilmackie | i've changed themes, i've changed the skin for the wps but it's not changing the black and white thing it's got going on |
| 18:56:25 | S_a_i_n_t | does the default "CabbieV2" theme work? |
| 18:56:26 | lilmackie | weird thing is that when i go to explore the database or w/e THAT has the current theme |
| 18:56:48 | AlexP | saratoga: r.e. FS #11374, see FS #11284 and FS #11285 :( |
| 18:57:10 | lilmackie | yes actually S_a_i_n_t |
| 18:57:24 | lilmackie | but it appears none of the others do =/ |
| 18:57:33 | * | S_a_i_n_t starts to wonder about the skinbreak stuff... |
| 18:57:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Did you get theme from the themesite, or use Rbutil to install them? |
| 18:57:50 | lilmackie | is it because i used the rockbox utility to install the themes? |
| 18:57:54 | lilmackie | rbutil |
| 18:57:56 | bertrik | AlexP, funman, and I guess clipv1 too, right? |
| 18:57:57 | lilmackie | first time too |
| 18:58:03 | n1s | lilmackie: the skin handling stuff was redone today so that broke any old themes |
| 18:58:04 | lilmackie | before i've just done it manually |
| 18:58:12 | funman | bertrik: afaik it's not released |
| 18:58:19 | n1s | dunno if the themesite has been converted |
| 18:58:19 | lilmackie | oh joy |
| 18:58:21 | S_a_i_n_t | lilmackie: Get them from the themesite manually. |
| 18:58:31 | lilmackie | so i should remove all the previous stuff? |
| 18:58:43 | S_a_i_n_t | it *should* overwrite it. |
| 18:58:50 | S_a_i_n_t | but, if you want...then sure. |
| 18:59:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I assume you installed a "current build", and not 3.6? |
| 18:59:22 | funman | bertrik: i think we should have made a 3.6 build for clipv1 anyway, i heard some people have it crash but i have seen no real bug report |
| 18:59:31 | lilmackie | current build |
| 18:59:49 | lilmackie | overwrite or remove S_a_i_n_t ? |
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| 19:00:05 | S_a_i_n_t | lilmackie: Sweet, you can either go to the themesite and get the themes manually, or use Rbutil and only use the 3.6 build. |
| 19:00:15 | S_a_i_n_t | this shannanegans will be fixed for 3.7 |
| 19:00:25 | S_a_i_n_t | there was a HUGE change in the skin syntax. |
| 19:00:41 | S_a_i_n_t | I think you'll be one of the first in a long line of people messing this up. |
| 19:00:42 | lilmackie | is there anything wrong with the current build other than the skinbreak? |
| 19:00:59 | S_a_i_n_t | No |
| 19:01:05 | lilmackie | hmm |
| 19:01:21 | S_a_i_n_t | the skinbreak isn't "wrong", just "different, incompatable" |
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| 19:01:31 | domonoky | the themesite isnt converted at moment i think. So there are no working themes for svn there at moment. |
| 19:01:34 | lilmackie | if i downgrade it to 3.6 the themes should work without being manually fixed? |
| 19:01:39 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
| 19:01:44 | lilmackie | how do i downgrade it? |
| 19:01:50 | S_a_i_n_t | install 3.6 |
| 19:01:51 | n1s | install 3.6... |
| 19:01:51 | AlexP | Just install 3.6 |
| 19:01:55 | S_a_i_n_t | hehe |
| 19:01:57 | lilmackie | rofl |
| 19:01:59 | domonoky | just use rbutil and select the release build :-) |
| 19:02:03 | lilmackie | yes but how, can i do rbutil |
| 19:02:06 | S_a_i_n_t | tripple info-mania! |
| 19:02:07 | AlexP | sure |
| 19:02:07 | lilmackie | hmmm |
| 19:02:10 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, you can |
| 19:02:13 | lilmackie | hold on a sec. lemme try this |
| 19:02:20 | bluebroth3r | beware that voice files for release builds are currently broken (in Rockbox Utility!) |
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| 19:02:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I suspect that this will get *pretty* annoying soon... |
| 19:02:45 | S_a_i_n_t | (skinbreak help) |
| 19:02:52 | n1s | domonoky: would it be easy to fix rbutil to download a release voice for releases and a current voice for current builds instead of always using current voice (since that won't work now) |
| 19:02:57 | lilmackie | eh |
| 19:03:01 | lilmackie | i don't use the voice files |
| 19:03:10 | bertrik | funman, I would not bother making a clip v1 3.6 release now, but it's a nice goal to get it released with 3.7 |
| 19:03:11 | S_a_i_n_t | then, don;t worry abut it |
| 19:03:16 | domonoky | n1s: i think bluebrother already fixed that in svn |
| 19:03:19 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26665): backport r26663 : fix microphone recording on as3525v1 |
| 19:03:24 | domonoky | we just need a new rbutil release... |
| 19:03:26 | bluebroth3r | n1s: I've committed that yesterday :) |
| 19:03:30 | funman | i just committed the fix in 3.6 branch |
| 19:03:31 | literal | the theme site isn't showing any themes for the Clip+ because they all fail for the current build. Shouldn't it show all the ones that work with 3.6 at least? |
| 19:03:37 | n1s | domonoky, bluebroth3r aha, very nice :) |
| 19:03:40 | bluebroth3r | handling of different theme files is also already done. |
| 19:03:54 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh...wtf?!? |
| 19:03:58 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26666): Fix typo. |
| 19:04:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26667): Distinguish between release and current build when installing fonts. ... |
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| 19:04:09 | S_a_i_n_t | who knows what's going on with this skinbreak mess? |
| 19:04:10 | bluebroth3r | now the same fix for fonts (though not critical) ... |
| 19:04:16 | S_a_i_n_t | this is going to be a nightmare! |
| 19:04:16 | domonoky | literal: i think the themesite still misses the 3.6 checkwps binarys... and clip hadnt a 3.5 release.. |
| 19:04:36 | literal | domonoky: yeah, it only shows 3.5 and current |
| 19:04:46 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: it wont... we will fix it in the next hours/days.. |
| 19:04:46 | n1s | bluebroth3r: is anything holding back a release? |
| 19:04:49 | bluebroth3r | S_a_i_n_t: then simply go into a cave for a couple of days and come back when things have been sorted out :) |
| 19:05:04 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: Saying that repeatedly isn't helping, it is just adding pointless noise to this channel |
| 19:05:07 | S_a_i_n_t | hehehe, I use my own themes, I'm not bothered :) |
| 19:05:21 | bluebroth3r | n1s: I'd like to do at least some basic testing first. And I've got to check if there are issues open :) |
| 19:05:40 | lilmackie | ooooookie |
| 19:05:46 | lilmackie | so |
| 19:06:07 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: can I commit to the t.r.o tree without affecting the live system? |
| 19:06:17 | domonoky | jup |
| 19:06:31 | domonoky | it will only go live, if i do svn up on the server.. |
| 19:07:01 | S_a_i_n_t | lilmackie: *apparently* you'll have to install 3.6 with rbutil, and then download the themes with rbutil also. |
| 19:07:09 | S_a_i_n_t | this *should* work. |
| 19:07:10 | lilmackie | ughhh |
| 19:07:16 | bluebroth3r | ok. I'll commit my changes to rbutilqt.php then shortly |
| 19:07:23 | n1s | or just wait a few days for everything to be sorted |
| 19:07:49 | S_a_i_n_t | I had assumed it'd be done so people couldn't get into this mess, but it must have been more work than was thought at first. |
| 19:07:56 | lilmackie | hmpf |
| 19:08:04 | lilmackie | k now |
| 19:08:07 | lilmackie | i have rbutil up |
| 19:08:12 | lilmackie | how do i downgrade |
| 19:08:15 | lilmackie | i know i sound stupid |
| 19:08:22 | AlexP | Just install the release build |
| 19:08:29 | n1s | well, if you want stuff to work, use the relaeses, that's what they're for :) |
| 19:08:38 | literal | also, the theme site uses a new themeid whenever a theme is updated, so the old link doesn't work, though it still keeps the same "downloaded $x times" stats |
| 19:08:52 | n1s | <lilmackie> how do i downgrade it? |
| 19:08:53 | n1s | <S_a_i_n_t> install 3.6 |
| 19:08:53 | n1s | <n1s> install 3.6... |
| 19:08:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK n1s |
| 19:08:53 | n1s | <AlexP> Just install 3.6 |
| 19:09:00 | lilmackie | n1s: from site? |
| 19:09:10 | AlexP | Using rbutil |
| 19:09:13 | n1s | or with rbutil, whatever you prefer |
| 19:09:17 | AlexP | Select install build, then select release |
| 19:09:21 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s: Why would *I* instal 3.6? |
| 19:09:25 | S_a_i_n_t | +l |
| 19:09:30 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: He was quoting you |
| 19:09:40 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, gotcha. |
| 19:09:48 | lilmackie | it sez stable version archived build, current build |
| 19:09:50 | lilmackie | =/ |
| 19:09:55 | AlexP | yes, stable |
| 19:10:00 | lilmackie | oooouh |
| 19:10:01 | AlexP | The release is the stable one... |
| 19:10:11 | lilmackie | the 3.6? |
| 19:10:17 | lilmackie | h |
| 19:10:17 | AlexP | Yes! |
| 19:10:19 | lilmackie | bahaha |
| 19:10:21 | lilmackie | ok nvm i see it |
| 19:10:25 | AlexP | Just click on it, it tells you |
| 19:10:27 | lilmackie | once i selected it it sez 3.6 |
| 19:10:32 | AlexP | we know |
| 19:10:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:10:33 | * | lilmackie is such a noob sometimets |
| 19:10:36 | AlexP | yes |
| 19:10:38 | AlexP | :) |
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| 19:11:09 | lilmackie | thanks for agreeing AlexP :P |
| 19:11:22 | | Quit n1s (Quit: Lämnar) |
| 19:11:23 | AlexP | you are welcome :) |
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| 19:12:54 | lilmackie | seems to have fixed it |
| 19:13:03 | lilmackie | and now i have AA o_O |
| 19:13:04 | S_a_i_n_t | \o/ |
| 19:13:18 | AlexP | cool |
| 19:13:32 | lilmackie | k another question while i'm here |
| 19:14:12 | lilmackie | i decided to update the build because i found that my player was lagging. on the wps it wouldn't show the next song properly (it was stuck on a previous title/artist) or it would take awhile to forward through songs |
| 19:14:17 | lilmackie | any idea what causes that? |
| 19:14:27 | lilmackie | cuz i tried to initalize it or update the database and that didn't fix it |
| 19:14:42 | AlexP | the database doesn't affect that |
| 19:14:49 | AlexP | What player do you have? |
| 19:15:27 | lilmackie | sansa e200 |
| 19:15:35 | lilmackie | more specifically e270 |
| 19:16:02 | AlexP | forward through as in skip, or fast forward? |
| 19:16:24 | lilmackie | skip |
| 19:16:26 | lilmackie | as in next song |
| 19:16:49 | lilmackie | it would show the now playing song fine... but the next song would read as a song that past like 20 tracks ago |
| 19:16:56 | AlexP | That is odd |
| 19:17:06 | lilmackie | it was super bizarre |
| 19:17:11 | lilmackie | and began to really piss me off |
| 19:17:13 | bertrik | lilmackie, can you reproduce that, or was it a one-time thing? |
| 19:17:39 | lilmackie | what do you mean reproduce? |
| 19:17:49 | lilmackie | i can't exactly make it happen... it would do it on it's own |
| 19:18:16 | S_a_i_n_t | does it happen if you skip multiple tracks in quick succession? |
| 19:18:45 | lilmackie | no. i thought that's what it was first, like it wasn't reading fast enough or the cpu was slow but it would happen even if i listened to a song all the way thru |
| 19:19:38 | bertrik | I meant if you have a list of specific things to do to make that problem appear again on your player. |
| 19:19:50 | lilmackie | noper |
| 19:19:59 | lilmackie | turn it on and listen to music... it would do it whenever it felt like |
| 19:20:11 | lilmackie | but it became more and more of an apparent problem because it was happening more often |
| 19:23:43 | bertrik | Ok, that sounds like a bug in rockbox. Fixing bugs like that is usually much easier when there is some way to make the problem appear every time, so that's why I was asking. |
| 19:24:09 | * | domonoky just updated the release checkwps binarys to 3.6 on the themesite and runs them now over all themes... |
| 19:24:40 | lilmackie | imm |
| 19:24:42 | lilmackie | well |
| 19:24:56 | lilmackie | lets see if the new stable release makes a difference |
| 19:25:08 | lilmackie | stupid web irc |
| 19:25:20 | lilmackie | cuts off my letters |
| 19:25:25 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky: Is there a way to tell if the theme parses correctly? I had a pretty bad parsing error on one of my themes here, and if I'm correct my themes on the site should do it to. |
| 19:25:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess, download it an d see...yeah? |
| 19:26:17 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: you mean you got a parsing error after converting it ? |
| 19:26:30 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah. |
| 19:26:37 | domonoky | (the themes on the server arnt converted yet) |
| 19:26:53 | funman | kugel: have you seen any volume difference between fuzev1 and v2 ? |
| 19:26:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, wait...um, it *mauled* it trying to convert it to the new syntax. |
| 19:27:03 | S_a_i_n_t | just the UI viewport line though. |
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| 19:27:05 | funman | (fs#11364) |
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| 19:29:16 | lilmackie | okie dokiie |
| 19:29:18 | lilmackie | im out fellas |
| 19:29:23 | lilmackie | thanks for the help! |
| 19:29:23 | lilmackie | <3 |
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| 19:33:50 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r26668): add a link to the themesite copy which holds the non-converted themes. |
| 19:34:03 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r26669): Catalan language update and cleanup, FS #11366 by Adrián Cereto Massagué |
| 19:36:09 | funman | saratoga: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9522/captureclip.png <- clipv2 recording looks different (I used 0dB on rockbox and max 'high' volume on OF) |
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| 19:40:11 | funman | http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/392/captureclip1.png <- difference between OF & rockbox is more visible with this graph (although i'm not sure what it represents) |
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| 19:41:32 | funman | dB probably |
| 19:42:05 | bertrik | r0b-, during devcon I could borrow pamaury's clip+, which seems to have the same radio as yours |
| 19:42:41 | funman | an audio sample at 0dB is 0xffff on 16 bits sample depth? |
| 19:42:51 | bertrik | it turns out it contains a radio chip with a different keymap than the si4700 compatible chip found in most ams sansas |
| 19:43:25 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r26670): Add workaround to redirect to copy of theme site holding old themes. ... |
| 19:43:48 | bertrik | This radio chip is most likely some other model from silabs (who also makes the si4700) because it has the same i2c address and some radio registers seem to be at the same location |
| 19:44:14 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: you should be able to put the updated script online and old versions of Rockbox Utility will get redirected to the old site copy. |
| 19:44:15 | funman | bertrik: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sansa-clip-plus/sandisk-sansa-clip-plus-disassembly-15.jpg : this radio chip (0219) is 4702 firmware version 19 ? |
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| 19:44:54 | bertrik | likely it will take a few days/weeks until we figured out the new register mapping and are able to do first tests |
| 19:45:04 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: good. will do that when the checkwps run is finished :-) |
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| 19:45:20 | sandking | hello |
| 19:45:24 | ranma | funman: I wonder why I never looked at the amd5536udc driver, the geode does indeed use the same IP block for USB OTG as AS3525 AFAICS |
| 19:45:25 | bertrik | funman, yes, that's a known one, which should work with our existing driver |
| 19:45:29 | sandking | any linux users here? |
| 19:45:44 | bluebroth3r | without a new Rockbox Utility we will then have the same situation as now, except that you can update the "non-old" version of the site |
| 19:45:59 | bluebroth3r | sandking: mostly Rockbox users, but a lot of the developers use linux |
| 19:46:22 | bluebroth3r | bieber: a few comments on the latest theme editor changes: |
| 19:46:23 | funman | ranma: perhaps because you've not read the long wiki page ;) |
| 19:46:24 | sandking | bluebroth3r: well - i'm looking for rockbox users that use linux :] |
| 19:46:32 | funman | ranma: any progress running the OF on clip+ ? |
| 19:46:43 | ranma | I had read it, but I completely forgot about it :) |
| 19:47:02 | bluebroth3r | the tab bar on the left in the preferences dialog looks weird. Did you use that intentionally? Most applications have that bar on the top |
| 19:47:28 | bluebroth3r | also, I'd prefer to have a non-proportional font as default. But maybe people here think otherwise? |
| 19:47:36 | * | bluebroth3r wonders who already tries the theme editor |
| 19:47:37 | funman | ranma: there is some minor variations in registers between as3525 datasheet and amd5536udc (according to the amd datasheet at least) |
| 19:47:42 | ranma | funman: No, I haven't tried anything further so far |
| 19:48:23 | S_a_i_n_t | sandking: It's better to just ask your question. |
| 19:48:40 | bluebroth3r | bieber: and how hard would it be to hilight syntax errors in the editor? Maybe by using a red background or similar? |
| 19:48:40 | ranma | funman: Is there? I've been looking over the datasheet and so far the only discrepancies seem to be stuff that the as3525 patch doesn't document. |
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| 19:49:43 | sandking | S_a_i_n_t: yeah, i just realized that it's more Linux specific so I'm asking it also on Ubuntu. I just formatted iRiver h120 and I realized that I cannot boot properly. device is seen in palimpsest but doesn't mount properly - i just wonder how to mount it so i could install rockbox |
| 19:49:50 | chrissavery | funman: do you know if it's possible on fuzev2 to just twiddle the usb data pins (not as usb at all)? |
| 19:50:14 | bluebroth3r | bieber: is there interest in having svn binaries of the theme editor available so people can play around? Or do you think it's too early for that? |
| 19:50:17 | funman | chrissavery: 'twiddle' ? |
| 19:51:22 | chrissavery | just toggle the pin high/low without regard for any protocol. so that if I connected a simple circuit to it I could trigger something. |
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| 19:51:49 | funman | ranma: http://pastie.org/995267 (from april 2009 forum post) |
| 19:52:45 | funman | chrissavery: you want to use them from software? i have no idea on how to do this |
| 19:54:08 | chrissavery | perhaps those pins are mapped to some register that would allow changing them outside of usb stack? |
| 19:54:56 | literal | is it possible to specify that the "rest of the line" is allowed to scroll, without using viewports? I don't want to use a viewport in this case because the beginning of the line is of variable size and I want to utilize the space efficiently |
| 19:55:04 | funman | i think there is more chance that you can control a pin of the dock connector rather than directly usb data |
| 19:55:34 | S_a_i_n_t | literal: If you don;t use a viewport, the whole line scrolls, or none of it. |
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| 19:55:38 | chrissavery | that would be fine if other GPIO pins were exposed on the connector. |
| 19:55:42 | literal | alright then |
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| 19:58:32 | funman | chrissavery: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3387 might have some info |
| 19:58:43 | funman | chrissavery: you have something you can dock on the fuze? |
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| 20:00:47 | sandking | how can i descramble the bootloader? |
| 20:00:57 | sandking | i mean - from where i can get the tool? |
| 20:01:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:01:20 | funman | rockbox svn should have all tools in /tools |
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| 20:02:13 | sandking | funman: ah, i got only install utility |
| 20:04:19 | ranma | chrissavery: It should be possible to control the pullup on one or both of the datalines |
| 20:06:01 | funman | Rob2222: where are you about fuzev2 which can't upgrade to a patched rockbox firmware? |
| 20:06:27 | sandking | sorry - i can't find proper download of svn - can anyone tell me where to look for it? |
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| 20:07:12 | chrissavery | funman: just reading through that link you gave me. I have a project I'd like to build that would use any 1 or 2 data pins on the connector to control a transistor switch. I can say more but maybe should post in community as it's kind of off topic here. |
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| 20:07:17 | funman | sandking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingSVN |
| 20:07:25 | S_a_i_n_t | svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk |
| 20:07:49 | sandking | thx |
| 20:08:05 | funman | chrissavery: ok, i think custom project is better on #rockbox-community ; i was asking that because i don't think we know how to use sansa dock accessories properly on sansa AMS |
| 20:08:54 | chrissavery | thanks for the link. reading. |
| 20:08:59 | sandking | i thought that installing rockbox was easier i don't have any idea how this descrambling works. i looked into tools folder and can't find it :/ |
| 20:09:14 | mc2739 | funman: I think Rob2222 returned his Fuzev2 and got one that he could install rockbox. Last I heard, it locked up and he was waiting for the battery to drain |
| 20:09:46 | funman | hm ok, too bad he hasn't the old one anymore |
| 20:10:27 | mc2739 | funman: see FS #11367 regarding dock & line out |
| 20:10:37 | domonoky | sandking: for normal install you dont need scramble or else, just use rockbox utillity. |
| 20:10:41 | bieber | bluebroth3r: That sounds good to me |
| 20:10:46 | S_a_i_n_t | It would have been nice to figure out what kept RB off Rob222's unit :/ |
| 20:10:50 | S_a_i_n_t | *sugh* |
| 20:10:56 | S_a_i_n_t | *sigh* even |
| 20:11:44 | funman | mc2739: ah nice, so plugging dock triggers USB insertion in ascodec register? |
| 20:11:51 | saratoga | funman: if you want to check the volume level, computing the replaygain value is a very easy way to get a single number |
| 20:12:16 | funman | can i do that from audacity ? |
| 20:12:17 | sandking | domonoky: i installed longbox a long time ago on my iriver and somehow i've done it. now i try to use this install utility but it asks me for bootloader. i downloaded the bootlader from here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverBoot#Descramble_the_original_firmware but rockbox utility doesn't recognize the bootloader |
| 20:12:38 | bieber | Cool |
| 20:12:50 | saratoga | funman: i don't know about audacity, but lots of software can compute the replaygain value for a wav |
| 20:12:55 | domonoky | sandking: no, it asks you for a original firmware.. please read the message again :-) |
| 20:12:57 | * | bieber typed in the wrong window :/ |
| 20:12:58 | mc2739 | funman: yes, I think taht came from ranma's ascodec interrupt commit |
| 20:13:11 | saratoga | in Windows I just use foobar2000 to check volume levels |
| 20:13:22 | sandking | domonoky: well, yeah, but it doesn't accept the original one :| |
| 20:13:24 | ranma | funman: USB insertion is triggered if there is power on the USB pins (charger) |
| 20:13:40 | domonoky | sandking: and what is the error message ? |
| 20:14:20 | sandking | domonoky: after checking md5 it displays "firmware file not recognized" |
| 20:14:54 | ranma | s@the USB pins@USB VCC@ |
| 20:15:07 | saratoga | sandking: this is for the bootloader or the OF? |
| 20:15:10 | sandking | i got this file http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/IriverBoot/bootloader-h120.bin |
| 20:15:23 | sandking | OF? |
| 20:15:33 | S_a_i_n_t | original firmware |
| 20:15:34 | bertrik | on the fuze v1, dock detection is on dbop pin 9 IIRC, I guess it's on a GPIO / button input for other sansas too |
| 20:16:06 | domonoky | sandking: thats the rockbox bootloader, not the iriver firmware.. |
| 20:16:08 | sandking | i don't think i understand the question |
| 20:16:14 | sandking | ah |
| 20:16:15 | sandking | :] |
| 20:16:19 | sandking | ok... |
| 20:16:31 | ranma | mc2739: You probably want to setup the GPIO to generate interrupts on level change for dock detection :) |
| 20:16:53 | sandking | but it tells me that bootloader installlation requires me to provide original hex file |
| 20:16:53 | saratoga | why would we ask you to download the rockbox bootloader? rbutil obviously knows what the rockbox bootloader is and where to get it |
| 20:16:54 | bertrik | Do we really need an interrupt for that, can't we just poll? |
| 20:17:16 | saratoga | sandking: what happens if you downloada the hex file instead of the bootloader? does that work |
| 20:17:33 | sandking | ok, i think i get what i'm doing wrong |
| 20:17:40 | sandking | problem is i didn't get the original |
| 20:18:09 | mc2739 | I didn't think we could get an interupt from dbop_din |
| 20:18:12 | bluebroth3r | bieber: the binaries thing? |
| 20:18:30 | ranma | mc2739: Ah, right, from dbop_din probably not |
| 20:18:31 | bieber | Yes |
| 20:18:38 | | Part pondlife |
| 20:19:14 | mc2739 | unless it is also connected to a GPIO like several of the buttons |
| 20:20:43 | ranma | Should be portb bit5 |
| 20:21:15 | bluebroth3r | I'll mostly build windows binaries though −− Linux users should be able to build themselves, at least as of the current state. |
| 20:21:55 | bluebroth3r | plus, I'd have to start building manually so it won't be done too frequently. Will try to keep a useful update rate though :) |
| 20:23:21 | bieber | Thank you :) |
| 20:23:42 | bluebroth3r | you're welcome |
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| 20:27:14 | ranma | bertrik: Hmm, of course since dbop is already polled for buttons probably makes most sense to add dock support there :) |
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| 20:28:57 | bertrik | ranma, yeah, I was thinking that too about dock detection (and similarly headphone insertion detection) |
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| 20:30:48 | domonoky | can some please craft me a short sh command line or script to run the updatetheme.pl recursivly on a folder with many folders with theme.zips in it ? |
| 20:31:14 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky...updatetheme.pl fails for me. |
| 20:31:24 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon was gonna look at it this morning. |
| 20:31:28 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: i.e. find all .zip files and run updatetheme.pl on it? |
| 20:31:36 | S_a_i_n_t | (about 4~5 hours) |
| 20:31:38 | domonoky | jup.. |
| 20:31:53 | bluebroth3r | find . -name "*.zip" -exec ./updatetheme.pl {} \; |
| 20:31:57 | literal | find -name "*.zip" -exec updatetheme.pl ... |
| 20:32:00 | literal | beat me to it |
| 20:32:00 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: ok, so i will wait with the converting a bit.. |
| 20:32:02 | bluebroth3r | {} will get replaced by the filename found |
| 20:32:22 | domonoky | thanks. |
| 20:32:32 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems to deflate the zip fine, but then...nothing. |
| 20:32:47 | S_a_i_n_t | try with a single theme if you want, if it wors for you...great. |
| 20:32:52 | S_a_i_n_t | didn't for me though. |
| 20:33:01 | S_a_i_n_t | *works |
| 20:33:17 | S_a_i_n_t | I needed to use skinupdater.exe |
| 20:34:41 | S_a_i_n_t | I could be my themes specifically though, I have no idea. Though, if it is, you'll run into it on the themesite at least once. |
| 20:36:11 | mc2739 | ranma: you were correct - it does appear to be GPIO B5 |
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| 20:41:07 | * | domonoky tried it with a test zip on the themeserver, and it fails because it misses the 'zip' command. Maybe its the same cause for you ? :-) |
| 20:41:19 | S_a_i_n_t | ...probably. |
| 20:41:38 | S_a_i_n_t | it unpacks/deflates whatever, then...nope. |
| 20:42:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I even made sure to do "./updatetheme.pl <theme.zip> <workingfolder> |
| 20:42:42 | domonoky | and no error message at the end ? |
| 20:43:18 | S_a_i_n_t | none |
| 20:44:02 | S_a_i_n_t | It fails if <workingfolder> is already present too...which I though was odd. |
| 20:44:17 | S_a_i_n_t | as I tried just pointing it to a tmp foldr, but, no dice. |
| 20:45:29 | domonoky | that worked for me.. it created a <workingfolder>/<zipname> folder.. |
| 20:45:32 | bluebroth3r | bieber: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/themeeditor/ |
| 20:46:30 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky: Wow...guess where it fails is truly erratic then? It gave some cryptic message about the working dir not being allowed to exist. |
| 20:46:40 | S_a_i_n_t | as it attempted to create it, then found it. |
| 20:46:44 | S_a_i_n_t | this is weird :/ |
| 20:46:46 | domonoky | the .pl file also doesnt move the zip back... so more work on that needed, before i can convert the themesite. |
| 20:47:00 | * | bluebroth3r needs to make a few adjustments to deploy-release.py |
| 20:47:13 | domonoky | if the dir it wants to create exists it surely will fail... |
| 20:47:19 | bluebroth3r | but it didn't need much adjustments to make it work with the themeeditor :) |
| 20:47:25 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: mkdir -p |
| 20:47:27 | domonoky | maybe it failed to extract the themename for you ? |
| 20:48:00 | S_a_i_n_t | it wasn't anything exotic...I renamed it "theme.zip" as a test. |
| 20:48:23 | bluebroth3r | bieber: maybe you want to give the wiki page a little update? |
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| 20:48:35 | S_a_i_n_t | I did exactly this "./updatetheme.pl theme.zip theme |
| 20:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | +" |
| 20:49:00 | bluebroth3r | what is the last argument to updatetheme.pl? |
| 20:49:10 | domonoky | ah, i tried that now to... that fails to get the correct path.. |
| 20:49:14 | S_a_i_n_t | (quotes there for reference, didn't actually use quotes) |
| 20:49:30 | S_a_i_n_t | bluebroth3r: Last arg == working folder. |
| 20:49:35 | funman | mc2739: if we can detect dock insertion/extraction, we could only enable/disable lineout at this point? |
| 20:49:45 | domonoky | it works if i use: ./updatetheme.pl <fullpath to zip> <full path to temp> |
| 20:49:45 | bluebroth3r | does it work with something else? I.e. not the basename of the theme? |
| 20:49:54 | S_a_i_n_t | nope |
| 20:50:00 | S_a_i_n_t | well, not for me. |
| 20:50:02 | bluebroth3r | nice :o |
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| 20:51:00 | domonoky | from the code it looks like it expects at least a path for the zip file.. |
| 20:51:02 | bertrik | funman, mc2739 I wonder if there's an existing rockbox thread that we can somehow make responsible for monitoring dock detection and headphone insertion and taking action accordingly |
| 20:51:48 | domonoky | so that shouldnt be a problem for me... but i dont have zip on the themeserver :-/ scorche, ping ? |
| 20:52:31 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky: I pestered JdGordon about correct syntax a few times, as I kept forgetting, the example I used (even checked it in the IRC logs) was stated as the one I mentioned. |
| 20:52:44 | S_a_i_n_t | ./updatetheme.pl theme.zip workingfolder |
| 20:52:51 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: only the code has the truth :-) |
| 20:53:08 | S_a_i_n_t | you'd think he'd know it if he wrote it though? |
| 20:53:20 | domonoky | use ./updatetheme.pl <path to zip>/theme.zip workingfolder |
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| 20:53:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...kinda irrelevant now. ;) |
| 20:53:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I used skinupdater.exe eventualy :P |
| 20:54:34 | S_a_i_n_t | which ended up choking on my UI viewport line massively though, bu tit was easy to fix by hand. |
| 20:54:36 | mc2739 | bertrik: since dock connection triggers the USB detect interupt, won't we need to hook into that? |
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| 20:56:02 | ranma | mc2739: I think the problem is that you have to change ascodec registers, which is easiest done from a thread. |
| 20:56:05 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t:do youz know if that choking on UI viewport already fix in svn ? (i cant run it on the server if it doesnt convert properly) |
| 20:56:22 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon hadn't looke dat it yet. |
| 20:56:28 | ranma | At least if you have to change more than one register |
| 20:56:29 | funman | bertrik: headphone insertion detection is possible on AMS, but not extraction |
| 20:56:38 | S_a_i_n_t | he was busy when I told him about it, but he knows of it at least |
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| 20:57:20 | S_a_i_n_t | it seems to only happen if there's a comment after the UI viewport line, but that would involve opening up every theme to check it. :/ |
| 20:57:28 | domonoky | oki.. so the converting has to wait.. but at least i can prepare everything. |
| 20:57:31 | bertrik | mc2739, I'm not familiar with docks. I can imagine that the USB interrupt is only triggered when the dock is powered, while a dock detect event also happens with an unpowered dock. |
| 20:57:54 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: it has to be automatic.. there are a few hundred themes on the server.. |
| 20:58:06 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, that was my point ;) |
| 20:58:08 | ranma | bertrik: AFAICS the anythingbutipod thread suggests that a dock has to be powered to be detected |
| 20:58:12 | gevaerts | Zagor_: the new rockboxdev.sh doesn't seem to produce a working toolchain for me |
| 20:58:26 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: what doesn't work? |
| 20:58:35 | gevaerts | Zagor_: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=26652;type=samsungyh920 |
| 20:58:40 | sandking | strange - i downloaded original firmware from iriver and both patcher and rockbox utility tells me that the firmware isn't recognized |
| 20:58:48 | ranma | Since it has to pull up on pin and not all models provide power for that on the dock connector |
| 20:59:30 | mc2739 | bertrik: my dock does not show to be connected when unpowered |
| 20:59:41 | bertrik | Somehow I can't view the abi thread. |
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| 21:00:18 | bertrik | mc2739, what do you mean? the player does not detect the dock in the OF? |
| 21:00:43 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: do you have both arm-elf compilers installed? |
| 21:01:00 | sandking | i got older one and it seems ok now |
| 21:01:38 | gevaerts | Zagor_: I have arm-elf and arm-elf-eabi, both do the same thing |
| 21:02:11 | gevaerts | m68k-elf too |
| 21:02:24 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: right, but did you remove the old arm-elf binaries before running the new rockboxdev.sh? |
| 21:02:30 | bertrik | I built the arm-elf-eabi last night and it seemed to work fine for me (ubuntu 10.04), I did have to remove the old one first IIRC |
| 21:02:32 | gevaerts | not before, no |
| 21:02:57 | gevaerts | They're gone now, but they were installed (and in the path) when I built the new |
| 21:02:59 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: that's my best guess. it works fine for me |
| 21:03:25 | mc2739 | bertrik: my dock does not trigger trigger a dock detect when the dock is unpowered. It triggers USB and dock detect when the dock has power |
| 21:04:05 | * | gevaerts tries |
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| 21:04:37 | funman | gevaerts: check out your PATH |
| 21:04:38 | mc2739 | my understanding that the dock detect is a voltage from the dap that is looped back into the dap on another dock pin |
| 21:04:53 | funman | 'as' is installed in /path/to/prefix/arm-elf-eabi/ |
| 21:05:02 | funman | 'arm-elf-eabi-as' is installed in /path/to/prefix/bin |
| 21:05:15 | gevaerts | prefix is /usr/local here |
| 21:05:27 | saratoga | it could be that powered docks use an external voltage rather then looping a power pin from the dock connector |
| 21:05:45 | saratoga | probably easier that way since you need fewer pins on the connector |
| 21:05:53 | saratoga | if you just short the power supply rail |
| 21:06:04 | funman | i meant, 'as' is in /usr/local/arm-elf-eabi/bin and arm-elf-eabi-as in /usr/local/bin |
| 21:06:08 | mc2739 | yes, that sounds likely |
| 21:06:46 | gevaerts | funman: I know, I just wanted to clarify. /usr/local/bin is in my PATH |
| 21:06:49 | bertrik | it's not like the sansa dock connector has too few pins :P |
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| 21:07:09 | funman | gevaerts: and not /usr/local/arm-elf-eabi/bin ? |
| 21:07:13 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:07:23 | gevaerts | That one has never been in my PATH |
| 21:07:33 | funman | hm it's not the same problem I had |
| 21:08:16 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: no but /usr/local/arm-elf/bin was |
| 21:08:50 | gevaerts | yes |
| 21:09:24 | Zagor_ | I'm not entirely sure what is causing the problem, but having the old installed while building the new appears to cause problems |
| 21:09:38 | Zagor_ | s/installed/in PATH/ |
| 21:09:42 | * | gevaerts finds it non-obvious that the presence of arm-elf-as in the path makes the gcc build produce a binary that tries to use as instead of arm-elf-as :) |
| 21:09:51 | bertrik | I think I found a gcc built by rockboxdev.sh somewhere in my path |
| 21:10:35 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: no, /usr/local/arm-elf/bin contains 'as', not 'arm-elf-as' |
| 21:11:19 | * | S_a_i_n_t had some small confisuin regarding the "packaged by Rockbox" CygWin toolchains and the "generated by rockboxdev.sh" CygWin toolchains being in two totally different places for a small time :/ |
| 21:11:21 | * | gevaerts looks what the old path had |
| 21:11:29 | S_a_i_n_t | *confusion |
| 21:11:53 | funman | mc2739: if needed i can check if leaving line output always enabled affect battery life |
| 21:12:26 | Zagor_ | S_a_i_n_t: yeah, in hindsight perhaps "correcting" the install path caused more problems than gains |
| 21:12:36 | S_a_i_n_t | indeed. |
| 21:13:33 | gevaerts | Zagor_: ok, so what's going on is that the switch to /usr/local/ from /usr/local/<arch>/ makes the non-prefixed tools get installed in the old path? |
| 21:13:51 | Zagor_ | gevaerts: yes |
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| 21:15:04 | mc2739 | funman: thanks, that would help |
| 21:15:25 | mc2739 | brb |
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| 21:16:23 | gevaerts | Zagor_: maybe the build server should accept "arm-gcc403" (and others) as aliases for "arm"? |
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| 21:17:12 | Zagor_ | sure |
| 21:19:14 | literal | supreme irony: the UnicodeGuide page in the rockbox wiki has encoding problems -> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide |
| 21:19:24 | Zagor_ | literal: hehe |
| 21:20:28 | Zagor_ | the website is unfortunately still iso-8859-1 |
| 21:21:30 | Zagor_ | that page looks to be using odd characters a little unneccesarily though |
| 21:22:48 | Zagor_ | fixed |
| 21:25:01 | S_a_i_n_t | does anyone know why building a voicefile isn't smart enough to do "nothing to be done for `all`"? |
| 21:25:36 | Zagor_ | S_a_i_n_t: because nobody fixed it? :) |
| 21:26:29 | sandking | where i can find startup log? |
| 21:26:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Zagor_: Good enough for me ;) |
| 21:26:50 | sandking | i installed rockbox and during bootup there's some error and it boots into original firmware |
| 21:27:13 | S_a_i_n_t | sandking: IFAIK, RB doesn't log errors on boot. |
| 21:27:27 | sandking | :| |
| 21:27:46 | sandking | great |
| 21:27:55 | sandking | is it impossible? |
| 21:28:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess not, just not a "default thing" |
| 21:28:37 | Jerom | "Data abord at 30086356 FSR ( domain 0, fault 8 ) address 0x5F6464C1" with latest svn revision on Fuzev2 |
| 21:28:38 | sandking | I can't figure out what's happening |
| 21:28:52 | Zagor_ | sandking: much of the boot is done before the disk is up so we couldn't log even if we wanted |
| 21:28:52 | gevaerts | sandking: the bootloader should have shown the error on the screen |
| 21:28:58 | sandking | i got firmware on the device, loaded patched original firmware and it doesn't work |
| 21:29:20 | sandking | gevaerts: yep, it does. but it's too quick to figure it out |
| 21:29:44 | funman | Jerom: doing what? |
| 21:30:15 | Jerom | loading rockbox.sansa from microSD1 |
| 21:30:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Does a bootchart build need to actually boot successfully to write the boot log? |
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| 21:30:28 | sandking | result: -1? |
| 21:30:30 | S_a_i_n_t | if not, you could *maybe* see how far it's getting. |
| 21:30:34 | sandking | last line display -1 |
| 21:31:01 | sandking | yeo |
| 21:31:12 | sandking | Loading Firmware and then Result: -1 |
| 21:31:44 | funman | Jerom: do you have the rockbox.elf in your build dir? you can see which function is at 30086356 |
| 21:32:59 | Jerom | How can I do that ? |
| 21:34:08 | mc2739 | Jerom: did you download or build your own Rockbox? |
| 21:34:15 | Jerom | mc2739: build |
| 21:34:37 | mc2739 | look in your build diectory for rockbox.elf |
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| 21:34:50 | Jerom | Yes |
| 21:35:07 | Jerom | I have done a gdb rockbox.elf |
| 21:35:20 | sandking | is there some info about startup messages? |
| 21:35:43 | funman | Jerom: can you upload it somewhere ? (omploader.org for example) |
| 21:37:28 | Jerom | http://omploader.org/vNGo3OQ/rockbox.elf |
| 21:38:28 | domonoky | sandking: is the rockbox main firmware actually installed ? |
| 21:38:29 | funman | the address is in a string |
| 21:38:49 | * | domonoky thinks -1 was rockbox binary not found.. |
| 21:39:00 | sandking | domonoky: well, i went through manual installation as well as utility installation with no luck |
| 21:39:47 | domonoky | sandking: rockbox consists of two parts.. bootloader and the main binary (plus extra files).. from the message we know the bootloader is working :-) |
| 21:40:19 | domonoky | now check if there is a .rockbox dir on your player with a rockbox.<ext> file in it (and more) |
| 21:40:38 | Jerom | funman: So I'm out of luck ? |
| 21:41:41 | sandking | domonoky: well, i got .rockbox on it, but don't know what's rockbox.<ext> |
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| 21:42:40 | sandking | but anyway - rockbox utility should take care of the process, right? |
| 21:42:40 | funman | Jerom: loading rockbox.sansa from microsd works fine for me |
| 21:43:03 | Jerom | I've tried coying it to the main memory |
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| 21:43:19 | Jerom | Same thing happens |
| 21:43:45 | funman | how old is the build you are rolo'ing from ? |
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| 21:44:02 | domonoky | sandking: a file named rockbox with some extension (that differs between targets) |
| 21:44:17 | Jerom | r26534 |
| 21:44:42 | sandking | domonoky: well, yeah, i got rockbox.iriver |
| 21:45:47 | sandking | and i got latest build for h120 from here http://build.rockbox.org/ so i don't know what i could do wrong here |
| 21:47:01 | Jerom | Should I try loading the latest build without Rolo ? |
| 21:47:31 | * | domonoky just looked into the code. and -1 is really file not found |
| 21:47:50 | funman | Jerom: yeah |
| 21:47:55 | Jerom | Ok |
| 21:48:20 | bluebroth3r | maybe run chkdsk /f? |
| 21:48:27 | bluebroth3r | could be filesystem issues |
| 21:49:17 | Jerom | Now I can't boot rockbox :p |
| 21:49:27 | funman | the firmware is checksumed but it's a simple sum so it could be easily confused by filesystem issues |
| 21:50:37 | Jerom | same error as before |
| 21:51:45 | saratoga | do you have some odd file system on your disk? |
| 21:51:53 | Jerom | no |
| 21:51:58 | saratoga | Jerom: not you |
| 21:52:02 | Jerom | sorry ^^ |
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| 21:59:54 | mbr | funman: Any ideas why some new fuze v2 are not installable? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:21 | mbr | I bought two for my children, both not installable |
| 22:00:34 | Jerom | Strange, I copied it over the OF instead to the microSD and it worked |
| 22:00:35 | funman | no idea |
| 22:00:53 | funman | mbr: if you ship one of them to me i could look |
| 22:01:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:01:14 | funman | i have a fuzev2 here but it's not mine, if the owner agrees perhaps we could exchange |
| 22:01:18 | chrissavery | wasn't there a report that changing some bytes in the OF made it installable? |
| 22:02:10 | mbr | chrissavery: Hmm didn't read about it. do you have a pointer? |
| 22:02:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by Domonoky (r26671): fix list of themes for specific targets in admin view. |
| 22:02:55 | funman | chrissavery: i think the report just said that changing a few bytes still allowed patching from/to the 2 installable OF versions |
| 22:03:15 | funman | when patching with rockbox we just change a few more bytes (but not so much) |
| 22:03:34 | mbr | funman: need to check this. problem is I bought them via amazon and exchange might be a problem in case of warranty |
| 22:04:13 | funman | these fuzes probably need to be opened anyway |
| 22:04:34 | mbr | in the forum I reported that exchanging those bytes works, meaning flashing works |
| 22:05:09 | chrissavery | my mistake. it was mbr that posted about that but I forgot the details of it. had to chk. |
| 22:05:33 | funman | mbr: you should try swapping 2 contigous bytes so the checksum changes, and modify the checksum accordingly |
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| 22:06:15 | mbr | funman: you mean it might be necessary to do the unbricking procedure |
| 22:06:46 | mbr | I'll try to do do the checksum stuff |
| 22:07:00 | funman | might yes, and also there could be data present in the hidden part of the flash which isn't in the OF file |
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| 22:08:17 | chrissavery | maybe fuze devs looked at how the rockbox patched and purposefully added code to prevent patched installs? how would you get around that? |
| 22:08:47 | gevaerts | chrissavery: change the patching method of course |
| 22:09:02 | S_a_i_n_t | but, if it was added to the FW, and not the device...vouldn;t it just be removed? |
| 22:09:10 | chrissavery | could a trial be run that tries that? |
| 22:09:10 | S_a_i_n_t | argh, "couldn't" |
| 22:09:27 | funman | i don't think sandisk mind us, preventing european people from working around the high volume regulation is more plausible to me |
| 22:09:34 | AlexP | chrissavery: What do you mean a trial? |
| 22:09:45 | AlexP | It needs a dev to look at it |
| 22:10:02 | S_a_i_n_t | funman: What's with that volume regulation? We don;t have that here... |
| 22:10:05 | chrissavery | maybe diff OF versions and see if some suspicious init code is changed. |
| 22:10:10 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: Try google |
| 22:10:24 | S_a_i_n_t | so DAP companies don't deafen people? and wind up liable in court? |
| 22:10:31 | Torne | it would be in the flashing code, rather than the init code, probably.. |
| 22:10:32 | AlexP | GOOGLE |
| 22:11:06 | funman | S_a_i_n_t: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg167629#msg167629 |
| 22:11:21 | chrissavery | I meant for someone who knows how the patching works to create a different patch method that could be tested on a "retarded" fuze |
| 22:11:41 | funman | going to new versions and then back to old versions works for me |
| 22:12:30 | funman | chrissavery: we don't know how the patching works, we use the OF code to do that; we only know (a part of) the file format that this patching code uses |
| 22:14:30 | chrissavery | has anyone tried setting the region code to "rest of world" and then doing an upgrade? |
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| 22:17:33 | bertrik | ah, so the idea is that the OF refuses an update to a different region? |
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| 22:20:01 | chrissavery | well, if they are trying to prevent bypassing the volume limit then they may have only coded a restriction on the EU version. Though why it may limit NA I don't know. But I haven't heard of anyone proving it isn't region specific. They would have to force a reset and choose a different region. I haven't heard of that being tested though. |
| 22:21:36 | chrissavery | Also, does the Fuze have ROM code that inits the OF? I know there is some mention of it in the AS3525 docs but not sure if it is present. They must have coded something into the hardware since I can install the same OF and it allows me to install RB. |
| 22:22:50 | chrissavery | If we could identify different bytes in such a ROM we may be able to determine where it checks those bytes in the OF and bypass that check. |
| 22:23:44 | funman | chrissavery: it could be in the hardware yes, or also in the reserved part of the flash which isn't filled by the OF file |
| 22:23:54 | bertrik | I do think it has a ROM in the processor for booting, which runs before the OF |
| 22:26:17 | bertrik | chrissavery, have you tried to flash it with a rockbox bootloader file with a name matching your current region? |
| 22:26:39 | bieber | bluebroth3r: I'm going to do that now |
| 22:26:49 | saratoga | my theory is that AMS did a new stepping of the as3525v2 chip thats more stringent in checking the firmware headers |
| 22:26:59 | mbr | chrissavery: Just installed a vanilla 2.3.33 |
| 22:27:49 | saratoga | and we simply didn't notice some header byte before because it didn't matter in the previous stepping |
| 22:27:49 | chrissavery | my Fuzev2 has no issues with RB installing, it's a version from last August. I'm just wondering about the future users who won't be able to use RB. |
| 22:27:49 | funman | saratoga: i think there could also be a new checksum since they added one between AMSv1 and AMSv2 |
| 22:28:52 | saratoga | funman: i thought swapping bytes was reported to have worked in the forums |
| 22:28:52 | saratoga | that would imply theres no new checksum |
| 22:28:52 | mbr | then generated a fresh patched 2.3.33 and tried to install that in "Rest of World" mode |
| 22:28:52 | mbr | no success |
| 22:28:52 | chrissavery | bertrik: I don't know about region-specific firmwares. Is there something about that? I've always just named it fuzpa.bin. |
| 22:28:52 | funman | saratoga: swapping doesn't alter the checksum |
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| 22:28:59 | funman | chrissavery: does fuzpe.bin work? |
| 22:28:59 | saratoga | so they added a new checksum that works the same as the old? |
| 22:29:03 | saratoga | seems kind of silly |
| 22:29:32 | funman | they added a checksum in the header part, additionally to the firmware block part, and there is also the whole file checksum |
| 22:29:39 | saratoga | ah |
| 22:29:43 | * | mbr tried to flash fuzpa.bin |
| 22:29:47 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26672): Theme Editor: Changed anged error reporting method in parser, added error messages to status bar in editor |
| 22:30:21 | chrissavery | mbr: ok. that shoots that idea down for good. |
| 22:30:56 | bertrik | I vaguely remember seeing some file on the OF filesystem of the amsv1 sansas that contained the region specific settings |
| 22:31:26 | bertrik | maybe it helps to delete that file, just an idea |
| 22:31:42 | funman | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg113302#msg113302 is related |
| 22:31:59 | bertrik | well, if it exists on the amsv2 sansas too |
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| 22:39:05 | * | funman will claim these unpatchable fuzev2 don't exist if he can't get his hands on one of them |
| 22:39:11 | chrissavery | funman: for me fuzpa.bin has always worked. I don't have a new Fuze though. |
| 22:39:41 | amiconn | What was the binsize impact of the skin format thingy? |
| 22:39:50 | S_a_i_n_t | negligible |
| 22:39:55 | amiconn | Meaning? |
| 22:40:05 | bertrik | We just keep the ams sansa thread locked, and not move it, right? In some places the wiki refers to the thread and I'm not sure what happens when we move the thread. |
| 22:40:31 | AlexP | bertrik: Probably best for now |
| 22:40:53 | AlexP | bertrik: If it moved it'd only be to removed posts, and then only badged (non-artist) people can see it |
| 22:41:15 | funman | bertrik: the thread can be useful for finding old information |
| 22:41:34 | funman | i guess MrSomeone could delete all the support requests & answers from it |
| 22:41:35 | mbr | OK, I still have a few days to decide if I return me fuzes |
| 22:41:40 | kugel | bertrik: I think the links would still work |
| 22:41:55 | bertrik | Ok, I do think it's a good idea to copy the information from the thread to the wiki instead of only referring to it |
| 22:42:02 | AlexP | kugel: I think so too, but users wouldn't be able to get to it |
| 22:42:12 | kugel | yep, keep it there. |
| 22:42:57 | mbr | need to go |
| 22:43:05 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: My themes ended up less than 1kb smaller. |
| 22:43:24 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: He said binsize |
| 22:43:28 | funman | bertrik: true |
| 22:43:35 | kugel | nobody cares about the theme size really :) |
| 22:43:53 | * | funman goes designing a 1920x1080 theme |
| 22:44:06 | | Part mbr |
| 22:44:23 | S_a_i_n_t | my rockbox.ipod is a couple of Kb larger. |
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| 22:45:05 | gevaerts | amiconn: IIRC around 1K |
| 22:45:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Almost 2kb, compared to a build before skinbreak. |
| 22:45:23 | gevaerts | right, 1K average RAM/BIN |
| 22:45:30 | * | gevaerts isn't sure now |
| 22:46:00 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 22:46:09 | kugel | the binsize doesn't really matter though, since the legacy parser is still in |
| 22:46:18 | kugel | We should look at it once the new parser gets used |
| 22:46:44 | gevaerts | kugel: why is that? |
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| 22:48:01 | kugel | gevaerts: why is what? |
| 22:48:16 | gevaerts | kugel: why is it still in? |
| 22:48:47 | kugel | the new parser isn't finished IIUC |
| 22:48:53 | kugel | it's the one the theme editor also uses |
| 22:49:16 | gevaerts | hm |
| 22:49:21 | * | gevaerts isn't sure he understands |
| 22:49:30 | * | kugel thinks there should be a mail clearing it |
| 22:49:41 | gevaerts | So the new format is parsed using a patched old parser? |
| 22:49:50 | kugel | yes |
| 22:49:58 | gevaerts | ok |
| 22:50:32 | kugel | but that's all more or less a guess going by their talk and the commits |
| 22:50:55 | kugel | there hasn't been an "official" announcement of what's happening with the rockbox side I think |
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| 22:55:47 | kugel | gevaerts: according to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ThemeEditor the parser is completed actually |
| 22:56:50 | gevaerts | kugel: I'd read that as "handed over to JdGordon for integration" |
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| 23:00:49 | kisak | funman: about how many files do you use to test with on your Fuze v2? |
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| 23:02:47 | funman | to test what? |
| 23:03:13 | kisak | general use and playback |
| 23:03:32 | funman | a few |
| 23:03:35 | kisak | my Fuze v2 is having a hard time keeping up |
| 23:04:39 | kisak | when updating the database in the background, it causes longer delays between files |
| 23:04:54 | funman | sounds normal |
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| 23:05:46 | kisak | when I made the idle shutdown longer I started seeing the player become non-responsive |
| 23:05:59 | kisak | backlight off, no apparent response |
| 23:06:07 | bertrik | we have a mechanism now to give some threads more priority to access storage, the database update thread has low priority |
| 23:06:34 | kisak | this was in attempt to give the database time it needed to finish |
| 23:07:49 | kisak | also, there's been 8-10 second delay in starting the first file |
| 23:08:32 | kisak | I can't find any setting to turn off to try to test with less stuff turned on |
| 23:09:14 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r26673): Theme Editor: Added a clear erros function to the parser |
| 23:10:16 | kisak | seems to me that something isn't scaling up well (to 2700+ files) |
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| 23:10:58 | Buschel | saratoga: can you please add your test results (mpa, eabi, dct32) to flyspray? I would like to keep all information together. |
| 23:11:38 | gevaerts | kisak: do you have dircache enabled? |
| 23:12:08 | kisak | gevaerts: I assume it is because I see messages saying that it is full |
| 23:12:19 | gevaerts | ? |
| 23:13:12 | kisak | gevaerts: there are messages when I enter directories saying that the dircache is full |
| 23:13:32 | kisak | then they go away and it doesn't seem to stop me |
| 23:13:43 | gevaerts | Have you checked the filesystem recently? |
| 23:13:59 | kisak | I've had no reason to check it |
| 23:14:29 | funman | a good reason is that the unstable SD driver can corrupt the filesystem at anytime |
| 23:14:43 | kisak | will a fsck be sufficient? |
| 23:14:44 | CIA-6 | New commit by pixelma (r26674): Rework the button table in the graphical eq section. Clean up the code, correct falso info and add the missing mappings of the: Fuze, H10s, C200, M3 ... |
| 23:15:19 | pixelma | + Packard Bell Vibe 500... |
| 23:15:54 | funman | kisak: should work i think |
| 23:17:00 | CIA-6 | New commit by amiconn (r26675): Fix byte order for Mini G2, and fix comments. |
| 23:17:19 | saratoga | Buschel: done |
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| 23:18:49 | saratoga | Buschel: i wonder if we could optimize synth_full a little more by eliminating some of those 64 bit accumulations |
| 23:19:50 | kisak | http://pastebin.ca/1878685 I've never encountered this message before |
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| 23:20:21 | Buschel | saratoga: you mean using 32 bit mla? |
| 23:20:27 | saratoga | Buschel: yeah |
| 23:20:34 | saratoga | 64 bit seems a bit excessive ? |
| 23:20:37 | kugel | Buschel: btw, the flac slowdown can be fixed by using -O2 |
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| 23:21:00 | kugel | that makes both arm and arm-eabi faster, but arm-eabi benefits more and is even faster than arm with it |
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| 23:21:20 | kugel | noticeably faster I might add |
| 23:21:32 | Buschel | kugel: good news :o) so, no reason to not submit this now ;) |
| 23:21:54 | kugel | this = -O2 for flac? |
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| 23:23:01 | Buschel | saratoga: I messed around a lot with 32 bit mla/mul in the past with mpc synth and dct32. You'll need excessive pre/post scaling to avoid overflow and to keep reasonable precision. the difference in speed is not that much. |
| 23:23:16 | gevaerts | kisak: that's a pretty common one. Pick randomly :) |
| 23:23:30 | audio-i | domonoky: is the theme site process finished? there are still lots of themes missing, and some of the shown themes do not reflect that they work with release 3.6 |
| 23:23:32 | kisak | oh great... |
| 23:23:50 | kisak | I pick the one that claims the drive is sane |
| 23:24:11 | Buschel | saratoga: for mpc I switched back to full precision a while ago. few gain in speed but hard to maintain. |
| 23:24:13 | domonoky | audio-i: i didnt start the conversion yet, there seems to be a problem with the skinupdater which needs fixing first... |
| 23:24:52 | domonoky | i am also just rerunning checkwps, so all themes should be tested against 3.6 in a bit.. |
| 23:25:02 | audio-i | ah ok thanks |
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| 23:25:34 | domonoky | if there are themes missing, please tell me.. i just removed all old hidden themes, and maybe i have done something wrong.. :-) |
| 23:25:38 | saratoga | i guess for a real improvement you'd need to use 32x32=32 multiply accumulate and that would involve a lot of careful thought |
| 23:26:11 | Buschel | saratoga: if we might experiment with precision loss we could also just downscale coefficients by >>8 or even not use some of the dewindowing coefficients (no load, no mul, no add) |
| 23:26:12 | audio-i | domonoky: at this moment, yes there are a lot of themes missing :) |
| 23:26:58 | domonoky | please look again in ~1/2 hour.. and i need exact infos about missing themes then. |
| 23:27:13 | audio-i | will do |
| 23:27:25 | saratoga | which are the dewindowing coefficients? |
| 23:27:32 | Buschel | kugel: sorry, just read your question. yes: "this = -O2 for arm" |
| 23:28:15 | Buschel | saratoga: D[][] in synth.c |
| 23:28:25 | saratoga | aren't those the filter coefficients? |
| 23:29:05 | Buschel | saratoga: yes. that's the same. |
| 23:29:18 | Buschel | (maybe resorted though) |
| 23:29:22 | saratoga | how could you not use them? wouldn't everything still be modulated? |
| 23:29:54 | Buschel | saratoga: just take a look at mpc's filter coef declaration. it's more obvious there |
| 23:30:24 | Buschel | Di_opt[] in synth_filter.c |
| 23:31:26 | saratoga | speaking of mpc, maybe putting the dct into the codeclib makes sense? |
| 23:31:34 | Buschel | saratoga: you will see that the first and the last value in each line can be dropped without impacting the filtering too much. |
| 23:32:17 | saratoga | do other decoders do this? |
| 23:32:32 | Buschel | saratoga: no. mpc uses a data structure that is different to libmad's. the dct implementations are similar but not identical |
| 23:32:59 | saratoga | i know various embedded mp3 decoders use tricks though |
| 23:33:28 | Buschel | saratoga: I am sure performance tweaked codecs do so. but this implies loss of precision |
| 23:33:49 | saratoga | do you think its a lot of precision? we have quite a bit to spare right now |
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| 23:34:49 | Buschel | saratoga: we could measure this. I never did |
| 23:35:12 | saratoga | do you think RMS error is a good enough measure, or is the error likely to be concentrated in frequency or time? |
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| 23:35:34 | funman | saratoga: i should look at the replaygain track gain for each file, right? |
| 23:35:40 | saratoga | funman: yeah |
| 23:35:48 | saratoga | it should scale linearly with volume |
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| 23:36:31 | saratoga | RMS works just as well, but its a little harder to calculate unless you like matlab |
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| 23:37:43 | Buschel | saratoga: I would expect that the side band attenuation will be reduced. As a consequence more aliasing should be introduced. I would prefer to create .wav output and analyze it with a tool like CoolEdit or something similar. |
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| 23:38:30 | Buschel | saratoga: The spectrum of the additional aliasing/noise is of interest. |
| 23:38:41 | funman | attenuation is much lower for clipv2 |
| 23:38:58 | funman | it's the same for the OF on all clips but varies on rockbox |
| 23:39:37 | funman | 16.16dB on clip+, 15.71dB on clipv1 => can this .45dB difference be easily heard |
| 23:39:57 | kugel | Buschel: there's no patch to submit though ;) |
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| 23:42:21 | bertrik | funman, 0.5 dB is not a lot |
| 23:42:46 | saratoga | 1dB is where you can start to notice without abx |
| 23:43:07 | Buschel | saratoga: what I did a while ago was to compare 32bit to 64bit multiplies. The additional noise was highly correlated to the signal itself. It was interesting to compare this spectrum to the masking threshold. Masking threshold can be visualized when subtracting the original wav from the encoded/decoded wav. The additional noise (introduced through 32bit calculation or dropping coefs) can be visualized when subtracting encoded/decoded 64bit from en |
| 23:43:59 | Buschel | saratoga: the result was that the introduced noise was covered by the masking threshold. so, no audible impact. |
| 23:44:00 | bertrik | the as3514 codec has a 1.5 dB volume difference per step |
| 23:44:36 | funman | ok |
| 23:44:42 | Buschel | kugel: ? |
| 23:45:26 | kugel | Buschel: nobody has made a patch for the -O2 thing |
| 23:46:28 | Buschel | kugel: I know :o) I thought you would just submit this one. |
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| 23:52:12 | Buschel | see you tomorrow, gotta get some sleep now |
| 23:54:13 | domonoky | audio-i: checkwps run finsished... if there are still themes missing, please give me some sort of list and i will look into it. |
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| 23:55:35 | funman | when using DAC output and not SUM output on the headphones, the track has much higher volume |
| 23:55:41 | domonoky | audio-i: name + lcd size to indentify the theme would be good. |
| 23:55:48 | S_a_i_n_t | IIRC there is 2 themes missing from the Nanos, I'm used to seeing 29 themes, but there's only 27 now...how can I view the "old" themesite to confirm this? |
| 23:56:12 | domonoky | S_a_i_n_t: there is a link to the copy on the site |
| 23:56:17 | funman | at rockbox volume 0, RG attenuation is 16.64dB with DAC, vs 13.09dB with SUM |
| 23:56:55 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky: Thanks, just saw it then...cleverly hidden in plain sight ;) |
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