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#rockbox log for 2010-06-08

00:00:56funmanon clip+, 17.91dB with DAC, 16.16dB with SUM
00:01:08funmanprevious number was for clipv2
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00:04:40funmanOF uses 39 (or 40?) steps for volume so unless they do software volume setting they are using SUM output too
00:05:54bluebroth3rbieber: just noticed a minor thing with configuration settings: Rockbox Utility uses "" as organization, while the theme editor uses "Rockbox". I would prefer both using the same (as it's used for the path the configuration gets saved at)
00:06:04bluebroth3ralso, IMO those strings shouldn't be translatable.
00:06:24gevaertsbieber: "At the moment, this simply prints a text debug tree. Soon, it will launch a GUI application." in your README file seems outdated :)
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00:06:27bluebroth3r(those as in setOrganizationName() and setApplicationName())
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00:07:24bieberbluebroth3r: Just changed that, thanks for pointing that out
00:07:50biebergevaerts: Hehe, yes, I should definitely update that
00:08:31bluebroth3rbieber: have you noticed my comment about the QTabBar orientation earlier?
00:08:41bieberNo, let me search for it
00:09:17bluebroth3ryou're using a tabbar on the left in the configuration dialog which looks (IMO) strange as programs usually have it at the top (or sometimes bottom)
00:09:45bluebroth3rthough I've checked on OS X and it even works :) Never seen a tabbar that's not at the top on OS X :)
00:09:47gevaertsbieber: what sort of comments do you want at this stage?
00:10:55*gevaerts doesn't want to bother people with obvious known issues
00:12:09funmanwhen should I complain about broken themes?
00:12:55audio-idomonoky: looking fine now
00:13:04bieberI can switch the tab bar no problem, I just stuck it on the left to look a little more like preferences dialogs where you have the options groups on the left side
00:13:23bieberbtw, could you show me a screenshot of the tab bar on OSX sometime? Does it do that pillbox thing?
00:13:38biebergevaerts: Anything you notice wrong or want to see done
00:14:11bluebroth3rah, like those option groups with (usually) rather big icons?
00:14:18gevaertsbieber: when I double-click on a value in the parse tree, it lets me edit it (as it should), but it first clears the existing value
00:14:56bieberbluebroth3r: Yeah, I was just going for that kind of look without actually having the icons. It does look a little odd with the sideways text though, so I'll change it
00:15:49S_a_i_n_tfunman: After they've been converted I assume (if they're still broken)
00:16:37funmanS_a_i_n_t: cabbiev2 still needs converting ?
00:17:03S_a_i_n_tI don't know :/, it doesn't.
00:17:07S_a_i_n_tOr, shouldn;t.
00:17:17S_a_i_n_tWhat's wrong with it?
00:18:35funmanelapsed time / duration is absent on clip, too low on the screen on fuze
00:19:15S_a_i_n_tHmmm, that sounds like something that was changed manually. The conversion shouldn't have altered alignment.
00:19:31S_a_i_n_t(changed manually, in error obviously)
00:21:33S_a_i_n_tfunman: Try pulling a evision of the WPS you know worked fine, then run skinupdater,exe (utils/skinupdater/) on the wps file.
00:21:50S_a_i_n_tyou'll need to do "make" in utils/skinupdater
00:22:15S_a_i_n_tformat is ./skinupdater.exe infile outfile
00:22:42funmani'll let that for knowing people
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00:23:49biebergevaerts: I've noticed that before, but I'm not sure how to get it to populate the line with the previous value. I'll probably save figuring that one out for the week after I've got the renderer working
00:24:40gevaertsbieber: yes, it is rather hard to miss :)
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00:27:18bieberbluebroth3r: I'll also change the default font family to monospaced
00:27:22funmanranma: does current revision run on your c200v2?
00:27:51funmanblack screen here, but bootloader works, it would help bissection if i can find a recent working revision
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00:28:23bluebroth3rbieber: ok, nice. The font isn't much of an issue with settings saved, but anyway :)
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00:30:03tkteunHi, I've got a small problem...
00:30:44*bluebroth3r goes checking i fthe problem is really small :)
00:31:01tkteunI've installed rockbox on an iPod 5g/Video 30GB and it works perfectly
00:31:32tkteunI accidentally installed it once more and it still works almost perfectly
00:32:03*bluebroth3r still doesn't see a problem here
00:32:11tkteunNow, every time I plug in my WXP it starts connecting as USB drive, but halfway it reboots into Apple USB disk
00:32:26tkteunI already tried all kinds of HID settings
00:32:33bluebroth3rdid you install a release build?
00:33:05tkteunYeah, normal utility build 1.2.6
00:33:19bluebroth3rno, a release of Rockbox? Or a current build?
00:34:05tkteunit says 3.6
00:34:11tkteunis that enough
00:34:31bluebroth3rRockbox releases did reboot into the Apple firmware for USB. AFAIK this is still the case for 3.6
00:34:45bluebroth3rcurrent builds use Rockbox own USB stack, i.e. don't do the rebooting.
00:34:48gevaertsit is, yes
00:35:23bluebroth3rthis is not a small problem but intended behaviour :)
00:35:34CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26677): Theme Editor: Changed default font to monospaced, changed organization for the application to, moved tab bar in preferences dialog to the ...
00:35:50*bluebroth3r guesses this won't be the case anymore for 3.7 with the charging rework
00:37:37tkteunhmm... so why did it work the first time I tried?
00:37:47tkteunI installed a different version...?
00:38:11bluebroth3rthe only explanation would be that you installed a current build, not a release.
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00:39:09tkteunyou're saying this would be fixed since June 3 and I accidentally did a manual install the first time?
00:40:25bluebroth3rthere isn't anything fixed. The behaviour is intentionally different between Rockbox release and current versions
00:40:53bluebroth3rRockbox Utility also can install a current version. You need to use the installation dialog though (not the automatic install)
00:42:39tkteunAhh, so the problem I'm experiencing is a bug in the Utility: "It doesn't show any difference between the quick start and installation tab"
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00:44:01bluebroth3rI don't see a bug there. The installation tab opens a window where you can select which build you want to install (release, current, daily) while the quick start tells you that it will isntall a release.
00:44:02tkteunSo the Rockbox USB stack isn't stable enough for a stable release?
00:44:19gevaertsit is
00:44:42bluebroth3rthe usb stack is stable enough. The problem is that several targets do not charge when connected to usb, so the usb connection would drain the battery, eventually running the device completely out of power
00:44:44gevaertsBut (until yesterday...) the charging code for ipods wasn't finished
00:45:02gevaertsAnd we prefer stable releases to charge
00:45:07bluebroth3rhowever, the charging code has been reworked last weekend. So this shouldn't be an issue anymore.
00:45:26bieberbluebroth3r: Does RBUtil deal with zip files, for themes and such?
00:45:31tkteunokay, nice to see you're on top of things
00:45:41bluebroth3rbieber: yes
00:45:55bieberDoes Qt have native support, or do you use another library?
00:46:26bluebroth3rbieber: it uses a 3rd party class (in the zip folder) and a bit of wrapping (base/rb(un)zip.*)
00:46:46bieberOkay, thanks
00:47:21bluebroth3rI've wanted to fork that code since a while to add a few improvements. Haven't gotten around until now though
00:47:47bluebroth3r(I'm missing better error reporting and less blocking functionality on folders)
00:49:54bluebroth3rbieber: I'm out for tonight. See you tomorrow
00:50:06bieberSee you
00:50:13tkteunThanks bluebroth3r, for your quick guidance... I'll start looking if anyone is already implementing the video chip
00:50:24tkteunlove to see that work
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01:10:21CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r26678): Slovak language update - FS #11375 by Peter Lecky
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01:29:07kisakthe fsck + a db re-initialization didn't help
01:29:24kisakhow do I turn dircache off?
01:33:25S_a_i_n_tkisak: I'd say the manualy is an excellent place to start.
01:33:34S_a_i_n_targh, "manual"
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01:49:08CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26679): Theme Editor: Factored out code to skip over enum/arg lists while scanning for children counts, and fixed all of the parsing bugs caused by innacurate ...
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01:51:51kisakok, so dircache is off, it's "Dir Buffer" that is full
01:51:59kisakmy mistake
01:52:46gevaertsDo you have many files in one directory?
01:53:00kisakI do
01:53:13bieberJdGordon: I just made some changes to the parser that fixed all of the bugs in the SVN wps files that had to do with argument lists. There were a couple of different edge cases that were causing conditionals and tags to count their children incorrectly, but they're all fixed now. All the remaining bugs deal with tag formats ([type] expected and default-not-allowed errors)
01:53:30gevaertskisak: You'll want to change the "Max Entries in File Browser" setting then
01:54:13kisakmore or less?
01:54:57gevaertsThat setting basically says how many files per directory to support
01:56:00gevaertsAfter that's done, you might want to try if turing dircache on improves performance. On flash players it's probably not noticeable (in which case it's better to turn it off to save memory), but it's worth trying
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02:00:23S_a_i_n_tit *is* noticable on Flash targets...well, I believe so anyhow.
02:01:04S_a_i_n_tWell, I can't speak for all targets, but Nano1/2G are a lot more responsive with DirCache enabled.
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02:01:39CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26680): Theme Editor: Updated the README file
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02:13:17kisakwell the entire directory is listed now
02:13:47kisakat least that's a bonus ... 2800 wasn't good enough, so I set it to 4000
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02:21:05kisakmuch better, thanks gevaerts
02:21:40LinuxGuy2009Hello I am an Ubuntu Linux user and am wondering if there is an install tool for my iPod Video 5G and Nano 1Gen, that don't require an internet connection when installing. I already downloaded the Zips for both. Is there a tool that just installs the bootloader or something so I can just extract the zips to the root?
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02:23:01kisakturning dircache on is an epic difference
02:24:38LinuxGuy2009The reason i ask is I just want to make a CD-R with the install tool and zips and install from there when I want it.
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02:25:29gevaertsLinuxGuy2009: have a look at the install section of the manual. The manual install is what you want
02:25:47LinuxGuy2009gevaerts: Oh ok. Thank you.
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02:27:50kisakwell, starting and switching playback now takes a negligable time
02:29:46LinuxGuy2009gevaerts: ipodpatcher mentioned in the manual is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
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03:12:39*S_a_i_n_t finds that his theme doesn't work at all using the new syntax :/
03:12:43S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: ^
03:13:50S_a_i_n_tOh, I's messing up sublines :/
03:14:07S_a_i_n_tputting a % in front of all the ;'s
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03:38:26Strife89Has anyone used/applied/compiled the most recent wiki viewer patch lately?
03:38:45Strife89FS #4755
03:40:02Strife89I applied it to a clean checkout yesterday (forgot the revision number) and applied it .... but there was one error.
03:40:16Strife89I attempted to manually correct it and compiled.
03:40:30S_a_i_n_tI'll look when I get a chance if noone else has by then.
03:40:39Strife89The compile was successful, but I tried to open the .wwi and it simply failed.
03:40:47Strife89Or rather, nothing happened.
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03:46:44S_a_i_n_tDo the new sims parse the new syntax?
03:46:58S_a_i_n_tI mean, will the produce a decent debug?
03:47:12S_a_i_n_tthis is pissing me of.
03:49:37literalhm, new theme syntax? where should I look if I want to update my theme?
03:50:30mc2739S_a_i_n_t: the new sims fail also. The give a line number, but not the filename. The line number is off by one.
03:50:42S_a_i_n_tas always ;)
03:51:09Strife89literal: As a start, anyway.
03:51:34S_a_i_n_tliteral: The idea is to get the updater to do it for you, but from what I can tell at least one of the tags just doesn't work. :/
03:51:44S_a_i_n_talso, the updater parses wrong for the moment
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04:10:00S_a_i_n_tHehe...even Cabbiev2 is broken.
04:10:33S_a_i_n_t"Next Track:" is behind the progressbar.
04:11:05S_a_i_n_tcommit fast, break often? ;)
04:12:36Strife89I'm sure y'all just need someone who knows their theme syntax to do the update.
04:12:42literalwhat fonts are in the "Fonts Package" available in the rockbox utility?
04:12:55Strife89Essentially, all of them.
04:13:04S_a_i_n_tliteral: I can think of an easy way to find out.
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04:16:41literalthat's a lot of fonts
04:16:57S_a_i_n_tyou want fonts? try rashers site.
04:17:02S_a_i_n_t*many* fonts.
04:17:11literalyeah, saw the list there
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04:24:29S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: <−− Old Syntax <−− New Syntax...Even if I manually clean up the New Syntax so it looks right, it still fails. A good example is "%Lt<|>" (I want to turn off the titlebar completely, works in the old syntax, but not in the new). Neither the .sbs or .wps work at all.
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04:31:38literalis the svn->git mirror not being updated or something? the latest commit on it is from 2 days ago
04:33:32S_a_i_n_twell, I can tell you that the last commit was from just over 2 hours ago.
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04:33:56S_a_i_n_tSo, somethings fishy, but I don't use git.
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05:07:42JdGordongevaerts: amiconn: yes bieber's parser is finished but it will take a while to integrate it, all it does it create a parse tree of the text, the core needs to go through that and convert it to something usable (should be much simpler code). no ETA on that
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05:37:11S_a_i_n_tAre there no alignment tags for AA anymore?
05:37:25JdGordonthey are optional on the end
05:37:41S_a_i_n_tNew syntax seems to be choking on my Cl line, and the wiki doesn't mention alignment for AA anymore :-S
05:38:03JdGordononly lcr is accepted for xalign, and tcb for yalign
05:38:07JdGordonI dropped + and -
05:38:22S_a_i_n_tAhhh...ok, wiki doesn't say it. I can't for the life of me figure out the SIM output.
05:39:27S_a_i_n_twhat would "ERR: Failed parsing on line 67 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 30: "display preloaded image 'Be'" " mean?
05:39:54S_a_i_n_tline 67 I get, but that could bean 66, 67, or 68 from what I know of the debug output.
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05:44:00S_a_i_n_tman, it's too messed up (debug output from the sim) it makes *no* sense... :/
05:44:17S_a_i_n_ttelling me about errors with backdrop on lines that have nothing to do with backdrop.
05:44:23S_a_i_n_tSim tells me nothing.
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05:47:47thehodappIf I'd like to help start a new port to ipod nano 5g but can't program in C, what can I do?
05:48:42S_a_i_n_twisit the wiki, look for NewPort
05:49:22thehodappwell that answers my question...there isn't much I can.
05:49:57S_a_i_n_tIf you have no coding skills, not really...test in the event a port comes up is all you can do really.
05:50:27thehodappok cool thanks.
05:50:49S_a_i_n_tI don't believe anyone is working on the Nano5G though.
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05:51:40S_a_i_n_tI'm allowed "-" as a viewport param right?
05:52:48S_a_i_n_tI thought it failed because my AA viewport has no FG/BG specification...but if I add it I just get a more cryptic debug output.
05:55:16S_a_i_n_tArgh, and I get a different debug output depending if the theme loads on boot, or is loaded manually. :-S
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05:56:50S_a_i_n_t"%Vl(a,60,43,115,48,1)%Vf(000000)%Vb(FFFFFF)" <−−ERR: Failed parsing on line 67 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 30: "backdrop image" huh?
05:57:51JdGordonsomething is fucked....
05:58:31mc2739S_a_i_n_t: if it says 67, check line 68
05:59:28S_a_i_n_tmc2739; "67" in the sim basically means 66, 67, 68..I've worked out it's that line there by commenting it out, then it goes on to another parse failure ;)
05:59:55mc2739S_a_i_n_t: what does you line 68 loo like?
06:00:11S_a_i_n_tI posted it above.
06:00:21S_a_i_n_tIt got it right for once ;)
06:00:28S_a_i_n_t(the line number)
06:00:49S_a_i_n_toh, fail.
06:01:11S_a_i_n_tbut, yes, the line I posted is 68
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06:01:27S_a_i_n_tI know it's not 67 as that line is a comment.
06:01:57mc2739that line looks ok, what does 66 look like?>
06:02:20S_a_i_n_tline 66 = ="#"
06:02:28S_a_i_n_tjust a comment spacer ;)
06:02:50mc273966 and 67 are both comments?
06:03:06S_a_i_n_tmc2739: I assure you, it's failing on that line. If I comment it, it goes on to fail at 84
06:04:28S_a_i_n_tmc2739: I need to leave...this is the theme parsed into new syntax with the updater:
06:05:54mc2739what device is it for?
06:05:57S_a_i_n_tsublines get messed up pretty bad.
06:06:06S_a_i_n_tNano1 or 2g
06:06:23mc2739ok, I'll see if I find anything
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06:28:14quietstormI have a question. If I leave my iPod unused for a few hours and then turn it on again, the iPod boots the original firmware and I see the iPod language selection screen. This happens even when I don't use the "Hold" method (section 3.1.3) to boot the original firmware. Any idea what's happening?
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06:51:02CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r26681): Improve accuracy of NR-based fp_sqrt with better initial estimation and using one more bit internally. More reliable early termination. Good enough ...
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08:59:08JdGordonbieber: you arnt still awake are you?
08:59:18bieberI am
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08:59:58JdGordonI have a problem... in the old parser some tags would eat everything till the end of the line (inlcuding the \n like %V)
09:00:11JdGordonin your parser that doesnt happen anymore
09:00:22bieberOoh, I thought only comments did that
09:00:28JdGordonnow, I like the new behaviour but it causes some problems
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09:02:01JdGordonfor example, %V() now (canged in svn) doesnt eat the \n.. so the displayer (and presumably your parse tree) think a new line should be added
09:02:28JdGordonI'm trying to think of a good way around this without going back to eating them
09:02:39JdGordonI changed %V in svn to not eat it so the colours tags would work
09:03:16JdGordonas expected, adding a # at the end of the line fixes it, but not very nice
09:03:28bieberMy plan was just to have my renderer start the next element after the Viewport on a new line in a VIEWPORT group
09:04:09bieberI could just add something like a + at the end of the tag format specifier to have it eat any remaining text on the line in the new parser, as well
09:04:21JdGordonyeah, but I really dont like that
09:04:38JdGordoneating the rest of the line seems bad to m,e
09:04:42bieberIn that case, my thought would be to address it in rendering
09:05:07bieberJust make sure that whatever comes immediately after the %V tag, newline or not, starts on the first line of the new viewport
09:05:13JdGordonthats what I'm trying to do but not having much luck either :p
09:06:33bieberCode a special case for %V?
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09:07:14JdGordonok ignore it, leave this entirely to the renderer
09:07:35bieberI'm going to see if I can get some line numbering in the editor tonight
09:07:53JdGordoncool, I saw the new error notification.. totally awesome :D
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09:20:45JdGordonok I *really* need a tester for this change
09:20:48JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: ?
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09:24:44CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26682): hopefully fix the problem with lines in viewports being pushed down one line.
09:25:40JdGordonbieber: I assume makeing multiline comments is going to be dead simple in the parser? using maybe #( and )# ? or #)
09:25:56bieberYeah, it shouldn't be difficult
09:26:00bieberWant me to throw it together?
09:26:12JdGordonna, i'll do that when I can be bothered
09:26:17JdGordonit isnt really needed
09:26:23JdGordonjust a nice touch
09:26:47bieberNow, if some code is under LGPL, I don't have to worry about license compatibility at all as long as I don't modify it, right?
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09:29:23Zagorbieber: not in a GPL project, no
09:29:41GodEaterDhraakellian: did someone knock up a perl script to convert old format skins to the new one?
09:29:49GodEaterthat was supposed to go to JdGordon !
09:30:01*GodEater eyes his keyboard suspiciously
09:30:37bieberI'm copying one of Nokia's example files, should I just leave their copyright header at the top of the files?
09:34:15S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I can't test at the moment sorry, about to run out the house again. Did mc2739 tell you what he found?
09:34:42S_a_i_n_ts/found/found wrong with the new syntax/
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09:36:26JdGordonGodEater: yeah I did
09:36:38JdGordonit is apparently more buggy than I hoped though
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09:37:26JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: is that for the theme editor? or rockbox?
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09:38:09S_a_i_n_tErrr, that was a theme converted to the new syntax with skinupdater.exe
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09:38:25JdGordon- is an acceptable value for the font
09:38:43S_a_i_n_tapparently, you can't use "-" as a valure for the font anymore in a viewport line.
09:39:23JdGordonin the themeditro maybe not, but rockbox shold still accept it
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09:40:09S_a_i_n_tand according to him %mv fails if it has a vaule attatched to it. In the case of this theme %mv(2.0) fails, but %mv works.
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09:40:20S_a_i_n_tAlso, all the sublines fail.
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09:41:06S_a_i_n_tInitially I thought it was just because it changes ; to %; but even after fixing them manually, sublines still don't want to work. :/
09:42:02*JdGordon grumbles
09:42:28S_a_i_n_tAnd to get the viewport lines to be accepted, - needed to be changed to 1 for the font value (I assume 0 and 2, 3, 4 etc. would work also)
09:42:54S_a_i_n_t...just not "-"
09:44:35GodEaterJdGordon: what do you replace "-" values with you in your new format? Still just "-" ?
09:45:27GodEaterand when you're converting %Vl, if the original had "-" for the fg and bg colors, do you also need %Vf and %Vb tags with that in, or can you leave them out?
09:45:43JdGordonleave them off
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09:46:00JdGordon%Vi() requires a - or a label for the first param if you are playing with a sbs
09:47:20*GodEater isn't as far as he knows
09:47:26GodEaterI'm just trying to fix Cabbiev3
09:48:51JdGordonthe themeditor is well and truly good enough to test updated skins without having to load them in rockbox
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09:49:04JdGordonif they pass the themeditor but fail in rockbox it means I have a bug still
09:49:54S_a_i_n_tdoes %mv still default to 1 second if no value is specified?
09:50:43S_a_i_n_tand, can it use a decimal point still? for some reason %mv works, but %mv(2.0) fails.
09:50:51JdGordonyes yes
09:50:57JdGordonit should anyway
09:51:02JdGordonI might have a bug...
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09:51:48S_a_i_n_tIf I manage to fix this theme I'm working on 100% I'll make a diff between it and the themeupdater output.
09:51:51JdGordon%mv(0.2) parses fine in svn rockbox
09:52:24GodEaterhmm, I must have missed a tag
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09:52:30JdGordonwhich probably means there is a bug earlier up either in your skin or the parser
09:52:50JdGordonGodEater: you need to escape ()'s now... %) ad %(
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09:54:07S_a_i_n_t;'s for seperating sublines aren;t supposed to be "%;" now are they? that *is* a bug, correct?
09:54:13GodEateroh, so the SkinBreakingChange wiki page is already wrong? :)
09:54:56wodzamiconn: ping
09:55:11JdGordonGodEater: whats missing?
09:55:23GodEaterno mention of the escaping of brackets
09:56:04S_a_i_n_tAlso, alignment tags in the %Cl line aren't mentioned at all.
09:56:20GodEateryes they are
09:56:22S_a_i_n_twhich is why I thought there weren't any anymore.
09:56:26JdGordonyou're both blind :D
09:56:41S_a_i_n_tdid you fix that recently Jd?
09:56:47GodEaterthe alignment tags are definitely there
09:56:50S_a_i_n_tas in, last few hours?
09:57:02GodEaterand there goes the escaping ;)
09:57:30GodEaterhmm - do rashers windows sims include the new code now? I'm stumped where this skin is broken now.
09:57:41S_a_i_n_tGodEater: Do you mean "ac" "al" "ar" etc. or the tags for AA alignment?
09:57:44CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26683): Theme Editor: Added line numbering in the text editor, thanks to some code from Nokia. Also made newly opened documents scroll to the top of the ...
09:58:10S_a_i_n_tI swear the AA alignment tags weren't there when I looked.
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09:59:15JdGordonGodEater: like i said, get the theme editor instead of rockbox to test the skin parses
09:59:27GodEaterthe theme editor runs in windows too?
09:59:41JdGordonI assume it would... just need to build it
09:59:51GodEaternot sure how I'm going to do that
09:59:54GodEaterno windows compiler
09:59:54JdGordonit is just qt
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10:02:05bieberGodEater: bluebrother has been doing Windows builds, let me see if I can find the link in the log
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10:03:07bieber is the link to his Windows builds
10:03:43S_a_i_n_tbieber: Thanks, I'll have a play. be prepared for me to bug you with questions though ;)
10:03:49bieberBe warned, though, the newest build doesn't have the parser bugfixes I did this afternoon, so a lot of stuff will still fail due to nested conditional issues
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10:04:14S_a_i_n_tah, good for me until it can get a theme parsed correctly.
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10:04:28JdGordonI can probably setup a cross compiler here if someone knows where instrructions are?
10:04:35bieberI can make a newer build if y'all want, but I haven't found a way to get rid of the mingw dependency, so you'll need that at least
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10:04:38JdGordonor better yet, someone want to ssh in and do it for me? :)
10:05:13bieberS_a_i_n_t: It parses most all of the skins, its just that some of them with some odd corner cases of nested conditionals and tags won't work
10:05:55S_a_i_n_tbieber: I use some rather complex code in some places, it *really* didn;t like being converted into the new syntax.
10:06:13S_a_i_n_tthough I have it done correctly now, the only things left are genuine bugs.
10:06:43S_a_i_n_tIf viewports didn't add a newline randomly, my theme would be 100%
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10:07:11bieberI'm firing up my Windows VM now, so I'll have a Windows binary for you in a bit if you want to give it a go
10:07:17JdGordonline numbers :)
10:07:22JdGordonall glory to the ypno toad
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10:07:55*JdGordon votes to give kugels GSoC money to bieber!
10:08:37S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Would a diff of "what the skinupdater did" vs. "my corrections" be helpful at all?
10:08:58bieberHeh, I wonder if he's _gotten_ his GSoC money yet. Those cards are coming awfully late :/
10:09:00JdGordonit wouldnt be helpful to me at this very moment, but yeah
10:09:14S_a_i_n_tI actually have it working now, save for the viewport newline thing.
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10:09:32JdGordonviewport newline thing was fixed before
10:09:55S_a_i_n_tOh, so if I built a new sim, it'd be all good?
10:11:18JdGordonshould do
10:11:47*GodEater fixes cabbiev3
10:12:08*S_a_i_n_t fixes Apple_OF
10:12:10GodEaterthe sim's debugwps line counter is off by one, which was a little confusing initially
10:12:20S_a_i_n_tthanks to enormous help from mc2739
10:12:54S_a_i_n_tGodEater: It always has been, sometimes it gets the right line, sometimes its +1, sometimes -1.
10:13:10topikthe sim's token number debug output is not very readable either. couldn't it do a line/column thing?
10:13:24JdGordonthat debuger is ging the way of the dodo
10:13:53*S_a_i_n_t fails to parse that.
10:14:11topiki tried to fix my clip+ modification of the built-in theme after running it through skinupdater and it was totally crazy
10:16:10topikgreat, it loaded fine on the sim, but not on my clip+ itself
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10:25:55bieberWow, the debug Windows build of the theme editor comes in at 150MB
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10:34:32bieberI've got a Windows binary for the latest ThemeEditor build there
10:34:58bieberIf you don't have MinGW installed, it'll probably tell you you're missing a DLL, but you should be able to Google for it pretty easily
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10:50:38literalJdGordon: your last commit *almost* fixes the viewport newline issue
10:50:52S_a_i_n_tliteral: "almost"?
10:50:55JdGordongo away! it fixes it! :D
10:51:47S_a_i_n_tliteral: Define "almost" please.
10:51:56S_a_i_n_tWhat does it do now?
10:52:03literalsee here:
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10:52:39literalthis is the original theme, converted with skinupdater:
10:53:05literalthe progress bar line is the only one which causes problem now, unless I put %pb on the same line as %V
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11:14:38JdGordonliteral: ok, I can guess the problem
11:16:59JdGordonmaybe not... umm...
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11:19:41wodzplaying music takes ~170mA and being idle in main menu takes ~180mA on HD200. That is at least weird
11:21:23wodzand this is over 2x more what OF needs :-/
11:21:51Zagorwodz: solution: never stop the music! :)
11:22:49wodzZagor: find what needs that much power rather
11:24:13wodzhmm shutting down lcd completly gives no difference (measurable at least)
11:25:18JdGordonplaying music where? in the wps or menu?
11:29:14pondlifeProbably a Cygwin thing - but should I be able to do a make in the tools directory? I get compilation errors in mkzenboot.c:
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11:34:10pondlifeI woudl never assume a bool has a numeric value..
11:34:19pondlifeon ? 1 : 0
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11:51:09mk429hi guys...I'm looking to mess around with the Zen Vision:M port, I don't know if much is still done towards it but it looks a little dead
11:51:45mk429i'm having a problem setting up the build env however.. I keep getting 'gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory' during make
11:52:11wodzmk429: did You follow instructions on wiki?
11:52:23wodzwhat OS
11:52:40mk429yeah.. debian squeeze
11:53:00mk429latest svn and have installed all the dependencies listed
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11:54:15wodzbut did You build cross complier using
11:54:28mk429first only my target ones, then everything just in case
11:54:33mk429also have correct path
11:54:57wodzcan You compile simple helloworld.c with Your crosscompiler?
11:55:37mk429i'll try
11:58:36mk429it's giving me an error about not finding plugin.h, which is one directory level up
11:58:45mk429seems the compiler is working though
12:00:25wodzin helloworld.c type file? I mean main{return 0;} thing
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12:02:51mk429oh sorry, i thought you meant the one in the plugins directory
12:04:02wodzI mean simple test if compiler is working
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12:04:53mk429ah... tried it, got "/usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: crt0.o: No such file: No such file or directory"
12:05:09mk429this was with a simple int main(){return 0;}
12:05:22wodzthat is correct
12:05:24TorneThat's expected, no? We don't have a libc
12:05:38mk429oh okay
12:05:56Torneyou can only link freestanding binaries with our toolchain, not hosted ones
12:06:46wodzso to test compiler build some dummy function as object
12:06:57mk429okay, that makes sense
12:08:19mk429worked :)
12:09:08wodzso compiler is working
12:09:30wodzthere must be something with paths than
12:10:13mk429look ok?
12:10:54mk429hmm...I'll add sbin
12:12:14wodz/usr/local/arm-elf-eabi/bin should be sufficent
12:13:30wodzIf You have all crosscompilers try some well known target - h100/h300 (coldfire) or some ipod (arm)
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12:15:36mk429weird, same error building for ipod
12:16:22wodzhow do You build than - step by step please
12:17:14mk429cd build; ../tools/configure; [10 for ipod]; make -j [tried without -j also]
12:17:47wodztry make clean before configure
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12:20:07mk429have done, no joy
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12:20:41wodzpastebin complete log
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12:26:53mk429wodz: where would the log be generated? i see nothing in the build dir except makefile stuff
12:27:46wodzmake 1> log.txt 2>log.txt and bastebin log.txt
12:28:36mk429ok. purely because i'm getting the error looking for "cc1", I'd have to guess it was a script variable acting funny somewhere..trying to step through it now
12:29:29teruJdGordon: ping
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12:30:49teruJdGordon: i tried skinupdater to my wps, and it didn't convert viewport tag properly.
12:31:04JdGordonis it for a mono display?
12:32:45JdGordonhow did it not work?
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12:35:25teruit converts %Vi|8|36|224|176|-|-| to %Vi(8,36,224,176,-,-)%Vb(
12:36:01teruoops, it converts %Vi|8|36|224|176|-|-|-| to %Vi(8,36,224,176,-,-)%Vb(
12:36:15wodzmk429: Is this the *only* error?
12:36:39wodzaa wait
12:36:59wodzIt complains about Your native compiler not cross compiler
12:37:15JdGordonteru: ok, file a bug report... im busy at the moment
12:37:39wodzmk429: do You have regular toolchain working?
12:38:06mk429wodz: that shouldn't affect anything, should it?
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12:38:18mk429i mean, i compiled the cross compiler with my native compiler
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12:38:46wodzbut for some reason...
12:39:42mk429hmm... I've a feeling it's doing something like CC='...' but my shell is ignoring it
12:39:50mk429I think I'm using dash as my system shell
12:39:55mk429i.e. as /bin/sh
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12:43:05wodzmk429: my understanding is that Your host compiler instalation is broken somehow. I would try to reinstall build-essential and friends
12:43:21mk429okay, thanks
12:43:45TheLemonMani got into dfu mode on a sigmatel 3700 mp3 player but windows sees just 2 new hid devices
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12:47:29funmanwodz: pondlife: a bool has a numerical value, no need for (bool ? 1 : 0)
12:47:58ucchanJdGordon: Problem occurs because of the correction of r26623 (sort viewer.config).
12:48:04wodzfunman: Is it quaranteed to be 0 or 1?
12:48:19JdGordonucchan: what problem?
12:48:25teruJdGordon: FS #11384
12:48:28ucchanBefore r26623, text file (*.txt) is read by using the text viewer plugin.
12:48:33funmanwodz: with C99 yes, else you can use (!!bool)
12:48:44ucchanBut after r26623, text file is read by sort plugin. Then the text file is broken
12:48:58wodzfunman: I mean in rb
12:49:15ucchan(sort the line in the text file)
12:49:20pondlifeIs that always true? I may be thinking of bool sizing inconsistencies...
12:49:37JdGordonucchan: ah right ok, do you want to revert that commit?
12:49:47Tornedon't the viewers have some kind of priority?
12:50:00JdGordonyes, defined by that file
12:50:04ucchanI think revert r26623, or the viewer.config is sorted by the extension.
12:50:46funmanpondlife: wodz: arm-elf-eabi at least defines bool to _Bool, so I suppose the compiler handles bool type internally
12:51:44funmansame for other arch
12:54:12funmanyes it works
12:54:34ucchanJdGordon: I will revert 26623 ok?
12:55:15funmanmc2739: leaving lineout on doesn't seem to cause a difference (14h38 on fuzev1)
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13:04:13CIA-6New commit by uchida (r26686): revert r26623. ...
13:06:21ucchanjdGordon: reverts r26623, then FS #9034 reopen?
13:06:59ucchanok. I reopen this task.
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13:07:38CIA-6New commit by teru (r26687): add simple text viewer to pluginlib and use this for dict to show description. ...
13:07:39kugelJdGordon: have you cleaned up as well?
13:08:47kugelJdGordon: so that isn't used for 2 separate tags anymore
13:08:58kugelerr the webclient sucks
13:09:06kugel%% C
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13:10:08JdGordonhave you seen any commits from me today suggesting I might have?
13:10:14JdGordonalso i have no idea what you're talking about
13:10:23kugelJdGordon: IIRC we agreed on introducing % Cd for actually displaying AA
13:11:13kugeland that it would be a good idea doing it when everything is broken anyway
13:12:09JdGordonyes ok
13:13:31CIA-6New commit by teru (r26688): fix yellow.
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13:23:08ucchanteru: for the simple viewer, I think that the simple_viewer.[ch] do not create but new library creates using by text_viewer/*.
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13:24:06mc2739funman: Good news. Thanks for testing.
13:25:22ucchanThough maybe very difficult ...
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13:27:38terui think that text_viewer is complicate and large to view short text.
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13:36:37ucchanteru: text_viewer/* are very complicate, but other plugins are using only functions included tv_action.h.
13:41:37ucchanthen, I think custmize tv_action.c only maybe.
13:42:30terumy point is text_viewer would require some amount of plugin buffer and other plugins would also want some amount of buffer e.g. for images.
13:43:57ucchantv_init(file) -> tv_init(file, request size, (some options))
13:44:21ucchanI thinks more.
13:53:15ucchanrasher: FS #9206 (sazanami-mincho fonts append some glyphs) commit/reject ?
13:54:52rasherucchan: no opinion
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14:00:52funman <- -Os on arm-elf-eabi
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14:01:37ucchanrasher: I think you opposed to commit. May I commit it?
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14:03:14rasherucchan: I don't remember that. Am I reading right that the font's height is changed?
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14:10:53ucchanrasher: oh! I must confirm it by using the current convbdf. Because new sazanami-mincho fonts that I am using, are created 1 year or more ago.
14:13:07ucchanI talk again when the result is confirmed.
14:20:08rasherucchan: I have never used that font though, but if the height of the font or the letters is changed, it's not so good, because that would be a problem for some skins
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14:40:11ucchanrasher: comment thanks. I new sazanami font creates using by current convbdf. the hight of new font is bigger than original.
14:40:58ucchanI adjust the height.
14:41:32TheLemonMananyone can help me ?
14:41:47funmanTheLemonMan: if you tell how, perhaps someone can
14:42:25TheLemonManive put the player in dfu mode, but i dont have a dfu device, just a hid called ROM RECOVERY
14:42:55TheLemonManive quickly coded a dfu client but refuses to work
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14:43:48funmanusing -Os -mthumb on c200v2 makes the audiobuffer 100kB bigger compared to -Os only
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14:52:35wodzI found out by accident that HD200 can be charged with higher current than 100mA (which I thought was hardware limit) :-)
14:53:51gevaertswodz: how high can you get? Torne managed 1.5A on an ipod on Saturday
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14:54:58wodzI saw 180-200mA on multimeter but charging just reached CV phase so it could be higher as well
14:56:51wodzfor me it looks like they ware working on USB charging and dropped support for this finally
14:57:31Tornegevaerts: Well, I managed enough that the power brick cut out
14:57:36Torneit was only rated for 1A
14:57:45gevaertsYes, you did well :)
14:57:48Torneit tried for over an amp briefly
14:57:51Tornebut only briefly :)
14:58:06Tornei assume the voltage sagged too much below 5V and it decided there was no usb power any more
14:58:21*Torne opted not to commit support for that :)
14:58:23wodz1.5A is usualy internal limit for charging chips
14:58:35Tornethe ltc4066 in the ipod will pull up to that.
14:58:55Torneand for several models I know how to set CLDIS to disable the 100/500 limit entirely and go for 1.5
14:58:59wodzbut it should have thermal cutoff as well
14:59:02Tornebut it doesn't actually work with apple chargers/etc
14:59:05S_a_i_n_t_Torne: What is "Force" in the USB charging menu? I looked in the manual, but I couldn't find it there now?
14:59:10TorneYah, but the thermal limit is 105C or so ;)
14:59:17TorneS_a_i_n_t_: It should be in the manual now
14:59:23TorneI committed a manual update later on the same day
14:59:25S_a_i_n_t_awesome, thanks.
14:59:31Torneso it should've been built on sunday night?
14:59:56S_a_i_n_t_Aha, I looked as soon as I saw the commit...a little too soon I guess ;)
15:00:03Torneyes, the manuals are only build daily
15:00:13Torneso even if i'd committed the manual update at the same time it wouldn't've been there :)
15:00:20Tornebasically, though: off tries not to charge ta all, on charges when the host says it can, force also charges when there's no host connection detected within a timeout
15:00:33wodzTorne: 105oC is well below solder melt :-)
15:00:43S_a_i_n_t_Congrats by the way.
15:00:47S_a_i_n_t_Torne: ^
15:00:56TorneS_a_i_n_t_: the actual reverse engineering etc was done by dreamlayers
15:01:06Tornei just sat and tested it all exhaustively with a meter and committed it ;)
15:01:28S_a_i_n_t_Aha...well, congrats on committing then :P
15:01:41Tornehe hadn't quite identified some of the GPIO bits correctly, also
15:01:50Tornei mean, they were the right GPIOs but the effects were not what he had commented them as being :)
15:01:58wodzTorne: does it mean my mini should charge properly in rb without patching?
15:02:04Tornewodz: yes. all ipods should charge properly
15:02:13Tornebut you will need to set usb charging to "force" to charge from an AC adapter at this time
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15:02:28TorneIn future I'm gonna see if we can detect chargers, but for now it doesn't
15:02:31ucchanI quit. see you tommorow.
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15:02:46Tornewodz: it's safer than the fs#8802 patch if that's what you were using before :0
15:02:54Tornesince it actually pays attention to how much power the host said it could draw
15:03:11S_a_i_n_t_I still want to dig up my multimeter and go back to an older revision though, (pre charging support, well this particular commit) charging still completes in the same timeframe.
15:03:17Torneas a bonus, also, if you *do* set charging to off, rockbox will only ask the host for 100mA, and then the player will work properly when connected to a bus powered hub
15:03:21S_a_i_n_t_I think I'll have to buy a new multimeter.
15:03:33TorneS_a_i_n_t_: I discovered that in certain cases of rebooting OF/etc the charger control pins were sometimes not reset
15:03:36TorneS_a_i_n_t_: so that's probably it
15:03:47TorneS_a_i_n_t_: i managed to get a couple of ipods to stay in 500mA charging mode after rebooting a few times
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15:04:16S_a_i_n_t_Ah, right. I had a feeling I wasn't insane...but I can never be too sure about these things ;)
15:04:41TorneYeah, I had assumed they were always reset
15:04:45Tornebut it looks like sometimes they're not
15:04:45S_a_i_n_t_At least now I know it's intended behaviour, and not magic.
15:04:57TorneRockbox now sets them on boot, according to your settings and the presence of a cable
15:05:11Torneso it will always do the right thing now (for *my* definition of the right thing)
15:05:13gevaertsTorne: would it make sense to reset the bus and retry at 100mA if 500mA doesn't work?
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15:05:35Tornegevaerts: you mean to automatically support bus powered devices? yes, that would make sense but may be fiddly
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15:05:42Tornein theory you can just expose both descriptors at once
15:05:44Torneand let the host pick
15:05:53Tornebut apparently host OSes almost universally cock that up
15:05:59*GodEater sees bad news on the TTS front
15:06:01gevaertsyes, exactly
15:06:12Torneso yes, it could be done as an enhancement, certainly
15:06:19Tornebut i don't particularly want to do it ;)
15:06:32Tornethe other enhancement that's possible is to try and support *complete* disabling of charging
15:06:35Tornei.e. draw 0 instead of 100mA
15:06:47Tornebut i'm not sure what the impications of that might be for peple with dead batteries, etc
15:06:49S_a_i_n_t_I figured that in the time charging completed, either the charging state was being improperly read, or it *must* have been pulling 500mAh. Glad to know now I wasn't out of my tree completely.
15:06:55S_a_i_n_t_That really is good to know.
15:09:38gevaertsTorne: maybe force it to 100mA in the bootloader, don't save the 0mA setting, and assume that the hardware will clear the 0mA pins if the battery is dead enough?
15:11:54gevaertsAlso possibly unset the 0mA on shutdown
15:12:54wodzhmm charging ended with current 120mA. LTC1733 signals usually end of charge when reaching 10% of nominal current - that would mean 1.2A of limit current !!!
15:13:08wodzwall charger is 1.2A rated as well
15:15:36wodzMPIO OF bootloader charges with high current mode, OF itself charges with low current mode. Now I understand all this fiddeling with charging related GPIOs in OF disassembly
15:16:22Tornewodz: well, I have a nice framework now that looks after deciding what level is appropriate
15:16:32Torneand just calls your target code with the current which is allowed
15:16:40Torneso if you know which GPIOs it is, it shoul dbe trivial to support
15:16:56Tornejust add HAVE_USB_CHARGING_ENABLE and implement usb_charging_maxcurrent_change()
15:17:02Torne..or whatever it's called, i forget, this is assuming you have the rockbox usb stack, anyway
15:17:18wodzthis target do not charge through USB
15:17:24Torneoh, right.
15:17:28TorneWell, in general, the framework is there :)
15:17:53Tornecurrently, the ipods and the beast use it (the h300 does it a dumber way because that's a usb bridge chip)
15:18:33wodzmy discovery explains also why wall charger is so hot when charging dead battery :-)
15:20:20Tornefun :)
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15:27:17mk429wodz: I sorted that problem with paths :D
15:28:19mk429the wiki says to use /usr/local/bin/arm-elf-eabi/ etc, but i needed to compile some of the rockbox tools as dependencies, and that path was overiding my native gcc's toolchain :)
15:30:41funmanmk429: can you fix the wiki ?
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15:31:41CIA-6New commit by teru (r26689): don't disable backdrop when the file name starts with 'd', e.g. %X(dock.bmp).
15:31:49S_a_i_n_t_Any intention of committing FS #10891 (Dynamic Runtime Estimation)?
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15:32:59funmanS_a_i_n_t_: wrong FS# ?
15:33:26TheLemonManaww its frustrating, cant get any cmd to work
15:34:19S_a_i_n_t_Oooops, sorry... FS# 10890
15:34:45S_a_i_n_t_U have had it in my build for some time, works great.
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15:38:24mk429funman: sure, i was following the "simplelinuxcompile" tutorial. looks like you only need /usr/local/bin in your path
15:39:06S_a_i_n_t_that doesn't sound right.
15:39:26S_a_i_n_t_You need the toolchain Path in your PATH also.
15:39:35n1sno, i changed recently
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15:39:55qfrWill there be USB support for the Sansa Fuze v1 at some point or is it not possible?
15:40:05gevaertsqfr: it's being worked on
15:40:07funmanqfr: at some unknown point in the future, perhaps
15:40:09qfrWhenever I plug it in it uses the original firmware again instead of Rockbox
15:40:10qfrOk now installs the toolchains in /usr/local/bin
15:40:15qfrIs it that complicated?
15:40:22funmannothing's impossible but the difficult things take time
15:40:27gevaertsIt's not trivial :)
15:40:49qfrWhich hardware is the best supported one for Rockbox atm?
15:40:56S_a_i_n_t_If it were easy to do, it'd be done ;)
15:41:00TheLemonManmmh seems that dfu mode on samsung shiz needs to be triggered with some cmds
15:41:11S_a_i_n_t_these guys aren't lazy (most of the time) :P
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15:41:55qfrAh nice
15:42:15qfrOh, doesn't mention USB
15:42:23qfrIs USB firmware supported for any of thos atm?
15:45:50mk429would it be possible for someone to add me to WikiUsersGroup? wikiuser MarkKing
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15:47:09funmanmk429: done
15:50:18mk429funman: just to be sure, i have all necessary binaries in /usr/local/bin, that is usually already in the path on most distros
15:50:25mk429and it is not mentioned on the wiki
15:50:39n1smk429: it's a recent change
15:50:50mk429i think this bit is no longer relevant -> "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf-eabi/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:$PATH"
15:51:18mk429n1s: so I can remove that line? just don't want to do anything silly for my first change :)
15:51:45gevaertsmk429: actally, that line might be harmful now
15:51:52mk429it was to me
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15:52:10n1syes, possibly mention that they are now installed in /usr/local/bin and to make sure that is in PATH, even if it usually is
15:52:29n1sy'never know what kind of weird system someone is running
15:58:34Zagorn1s: I added this information to CrossCompiler during devcon
15:58:59Zagor"All compilers are installed to /usr/local/bin, which is usually in your PATH already. If it isn't, add it to the .bashrc file in your home directory."
15:59:26mk429Zagor: yeah, I followed
15:59:31n1sZagor: yes, this was about one of the "simplified" guides, so copying that info would be good
15:59:34mk429(which turned out to be a misnomer :P)
15:59:41Zagormk429: aha
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16:01:50gevaertsZagor: apparently /usr/local/bin/ isn't in the PATH at @reboot cronjob time :)
16:02:21Zagorgevaerts: I recommend setting PATH in
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16:02:45gevaertsZagor: I now set it in the script that calls
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16:11:31S_a_i_n_t_teru: OMG! thanks! that was driving me nuts ;) (backdrop) I couldn't figure it out...
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16:21:00pondlifeIs "(more than 136GB require a custom build)" still true for Archoses? From
16:21:56funmankugel: thumb code works fine on c200v2
16:22:11TorneI deliberately didn't include Archos when I enabled LBA48
16:22:20pondlifeOK, just checking
16:22:20Tornebecause you have to partition the drive specially for it to work with the USB bridge
16:22:34Torneyou pretty much need a custom build *anyway*
16:22:34kugelwhich is easier to do that a custom build :)
16:22:46Tornesince i don't think the normal build has multivolume?
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16:23:15kugelfunman: cool
16:24:09CIA-6New commit by funman (r26690): CPU_PP implies CPU_ARM is defined down?
16:25:15funmankugel: ?
16:25:46n1skugel: i couldn't reach it for a while, then it came back, now it'
16:25:50n1ss gone again
16:26:02funmanworks now
16:26:45kugelnot for me
16:26:55pondlifeIt's OK here
16:27:13kugelopendns reports failure [] here
16:28:56n1spondlife: gives me "No site here." :)
16:30:34pondlifeSame here, but the URL is fine
16:30:43pondlifei.e. the normal one
16:33:21funmankugel: PP thumb code looks fine if i put memset in .text instead of .icode
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16:37:23*JdGordon wonders why the updater barfs on %Xd
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16:39:33kugelfatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection timed out) :(
16:41:06JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: got your sbs it barfed on?
16:41:40S_a_i_n_tUm...sure, one sec.
16:41:46funmancorelock_init() isn't the only one to call thumb code from arm: plugin_iram_init calls incorrectly memcpy/memset, plugin_load too, fix_huff_tbl, store_raw_jpeg .. i didn't check all the list
16:42:59mc2739JdGordon: mine barfed on %Vi and the next 2 lines following *really* didn;t seem to like the UI viewport line.
16:43:33CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26691): fix FS #11384, skinupdater barfed on %Xd and %Vi
16:43:36JdGordondoes now
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16:44:20S_a_i_n_tthat's thw .wps and .sbs
16:44:23JdGordonscrew you :) test the change
16:44:27S_a_i_n_tit choked on both previously
16:45:30CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26692): FS #11383 - fix the touchregion param string
16:46:02JdGordongrr who brought up the %pb breaking?
16:46:22kugelI cannot access svn and you can commit?
16:46:30S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Did you happen to see how bad it messed up the comments after the UI viewport line in my .sbs?
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16:46:36S_a_i_n_tthat was *nuts*
16:46:39flybackhow ironic
16:46:47JdGordonkugel: meh :) I'm special
16:46:52flybackrockbox 3.6 comes out days after my c140/c150 took a shit
16:47:03flybackwasn't supported yet anyways but baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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16:47:19*S_a_i_n_t fails to see the irony.
16:47:21kugelI think opendns is having trouble
16:47:36JdGordon%Cd to display AA?
16:47:45flybackwhat's a still well recommended unit from developer standpoint etc
16:48:02S_a_i_n_tflyback: Buyers guide, wiki
16:48:02flybackkugel, last night I noticed a momentary dns problem last night
16:48:05flybackand I use opendns
16:48:10flybackdunno if it's related
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16:48:16flybackS_a_i_n_t, ok thx
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16:49:31S_a_i_n_tif the AA tag needs a two digit tag now...why not something that makes sense, like %Aa
16:50:15kugelS_a_i_n_t: it doesn't need a two digit tag, it the dual use of %C needs to be cleaned up
16:50:19S_a_i_n_tCd doesn't seem much better than C, or am I missing something?
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16:50:48flybackS_a_i_n_t, the irony is it's more likely to get support soon
16:50:50kugelS_a_i_n_t: you're missing that it needs a hack in the code to distinguish %?C from %C
16:50:52flybackwas what I mean't
16:50:59S_a_i_n_tAha...then %Aa would clear that right up.
16:51:58S_a_i_n_tThe tags that reflect their function are a lot easier to remember.
16:52:06CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26693): change to %Cd to display albumart (instead of %C to make it more consistant with %Vd/%Vl and %xd/%xl) ...
16:52:08S_a_i_n_t%Li, %Lt for instance.
16:52:22funmangold linker doesn't support interworking
16:52:49CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26694): fix the manual also
16:54:20pondlifeHmm, might not be just OpenDNS... I can still access, but not
16:54:35JdGordonkugel: hrm? we want 3 aa tags?
16:54:37mc2739JdGordon: %Vi is still wrong if there is no label - new syntax requires "-"
16:54:49JdGordonoh right
16:55:01pondlifeAlso no fun from
16:55:07kugelJdGordon: why not?
16:55:29kugelwe had 3 tags before, 2 of them were just had just the same identifier
16:55:38CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26695): fix %Vi again
16:56:10JdGordonoh i see what you're saying
16:56:30mc2739JdGordon: also, when using %t the ";" is getting escaped
16:56:48JdGordonnot any more
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16:57:21S_a_i_n_tmc2739: Thanks for having a look at that theme btw...fwiw, I think the SIM may have just been being picky with you. I figured out the subline mess it was trying to seperate the sublines with "%;" instead of ";".
16:57:41S_a_i_n_tAnd also, %mv(2.0) worked for me, but not you...odd.
16:58:43mc2739JdGordon: it failed in r26692 - was it fixed since then?
16:59:10S_a_i_n_tIt isn't a big deal I guess, but it is still failinf for me if I use a "-" for the font identifier in the viewport lines :/
16:59:18JdGordon93 fixed it didnt it?
16:59:28JdGordonhang on.. 4 things at a time only!
17:00:40mk429is anyone here at all familiar with the status of the Zen Vision:M port?
17:01:14mk429I have the bootloader compiling and loading up the stock firmware, wondering how I can get rockbox firmware on so I can see what's next to be done
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17:02:39funmanI assume you have read ?
17:03:27funmanyou should look for mcuelenaere as he worked on this port
17:03:34mk429cool, will do, thanks
17:04:13*JdGordon grumbles
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17:08:33sharpwebsite is down? any mirrors of places i can get the daily build? should always worj
17:09:27kugelhm, worked for a second, now not anymore
17:09:34CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26696): The real reason to change the %C was to remove a very nasty hack! ...
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17:09:46sharpi'm having trouble with as well
17:10:00JdGordonok, whos got skin issues still?
17:10:27sharpsharp@blue:~$ host
17:10:27sharp;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
17:10:32gevaertssharp: they all work here
17:10:37gevaertsIs your dns working?
17:10:52sharpgevaerts: for other things, yeah
17:11:28gevaertsOne of the three dns servers serving seems down, but there are two left
17:11:41JdGordonwhat do people think about using #( )# for multi line comments?
17:11:46JdGordonor #( #) ?
17:12:13funman#( )# is easier to read IMO
17:12:18gevaertsI'd go for #( #)
17:12:23kugellooks just strange :(
17:12:27gevaertsBoth work :)
17:12:39funmanbut # prefixing each line is fine with me
17:12:46sharpit's probably road-runners crappy dns...
17:13:01kugelsharp: I'm having problems with various dnses
17:13:12JdGordonyou can do things with mutliline that you cant with single lines
17:13:22JdGordonor maybe not :p works for me now, but not {svn,git,build,download}
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17:15:38sharpanybody have the ip addresses?
17:17:42CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26697): Fix yellow and all the shipped themes that show AA
17:17:53*JdGordon loves havin no problem with svn right now :p
17:19:02sharpcool, added to hosts file and it works :)
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17:21:27mk429okay... I need mcuelenaere's CreativeWizard to upload new firmware, but the link to it ( seems down
17:21:35mk429no chance anyone has a copy lying about is there? :/
17:23:09flybacklooks like sansa fuse might be a good choice for me and my mom
17:23:11flybackthx guys
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17:26:27CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26698): fix %pb and other progressbars which are shown one line down from where they should be in viewports
17:30:12mc2739JdGordon: the skin parser still does not like "-" for the font in in %V and %Vl
17:31:29mc2739with r26697
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17:35:54terui noticed that. it is problem of parse_list in misc.c. it tries to find end separater( ',' ) but there is only ')'. i wonder why it tries to find ending ',' or ')' if '-' is set.
17:35:54CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r26699): fix - not being accepted for viewport font.
17:36:12funmankugel: yay i have a test case for the thumb bug
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17:40:46mc2739JdGordon: looks good now - using files from skinupdater with no additional changes needed
17:41:03kugelfunman: cool! paste it?
17:41:11mc2739(at least with my skin)
17:42:09funmankugel: i think it's related to long calls: having to make a veneer for long call AND a veneer for thumb/arm switch
17:42:15JdGordonI'm hoping thats the last of it..
17:42:32JdGordonI have one more commit but I want to get this all settled down a bit more
17:44:50teruJdGordon: my sbs some how hove line "%Cl|20|4|cs200|cs200|" and skinupdater only strip first c in "cs200".
17:45:22JdGordonmanually fix that I think
17:47:23teruJdGordon: can i ask you reason of this check in parse_list?: while (*p && *p != sep && (!is_last_var || (is_last_var && *p!=')'))) p++;
17:48:03JdGordonbecause the seperators change... the middle items use comma (,) the last one uses )
17:48:04teruit allows something like %V(0,0,-hoge,12,-).
17:48:42JdGordonthat seems wrong :p
17:49:12terui think ptr++ is enough. if the next char is not ',', then the check at the top of loop will detect it.
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17:49:51JdGordonplease fix it :)
17:50:43funmankugel: we could workaround it by linking IRAM close to DRAM
17:50:55terui wanted to do if i could connect to
17:51:00funmanthe PP have no MMU ?
17:51:42kugelalso, the ram on some PP exceed the short-call cap
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17:54:31LearAnyone else who can reach or
17:56:42gevaertsLear: I can reach them, but you're not the only one
17:56:51gevaertsDNS issues are suspected
17:57:17kugelLear: some dns problem, I can only reach them with its IP in my /etc/hosts
17:57:18LearI get a DNS timeout when I test it at, yes.
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18:00:49gevaertsI don't really understand the issue. has three dns servers, two of which work
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18:12:02gevaertsBagder: according to the nameservers that are listed for .org, is served by and, which it claims are and Both of those don't respond. I seem to locally have for, which does work, and also ( as a third NS, which also works
18:12:21gevaerts83.168.254.42 obviously doesn't work, since it's the old address
18:13:07gevaerts91.191.140.131 seems to be Contactor
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18:14:20gevaertsIt looks to me as if something broke recently, and as TTLs expire more and more people get affected
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18:19:56funmankugel: or we could build with -mlong-calls
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18:32:42funman <- e200v1 thumb build, someone can give a test at it ?
18:35:07funmanram usage is 65kB down
18:36:32funmani just updated the .zip with test_codec, comparison with normal build would be useful
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18:38:52wodzsite down again or my local problem?
18:39:05funmanwodz: dns problem
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18:39:30Topic"Rockbox 3.6 now released! | Please read before speaking: || Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at | sites might not be reachable due to DNS problems" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
18:39:46wodzdo You know ip of
18:40:29gevaertswodz: for forums and themes
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18:40:54wodzno go - probably virtual hosts in apache problem
18:41:18kugelfunman: -mlong-calls defeats the purpose of eabi...
18:41:21gevaertssure, but some local /etc/hosts work will fix that
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18:42:06kugelor part of it
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18:44:12wodzfunman: I don't get Your comment in FS #11324
18:44:36funmankugel: well that's a work around
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18:45:19kugeleabi alone saves over 60k binsize, I'd expect -mlong-calls to add the same amount againm
18:45:41funmanwodz: the scale of the grid can change between 5mV or 50mV
18:46:24funmanthen perhaps we could expect 120kB binsize if it's really a ld bug and is resolved
18:46:52wodzfunman: yes
18:47:16funmanwodz: but when you look at the grid you don't know if it's using 5mV or 50mV between each line
18:48:20wodzfunman: true, but honestly I don't have good ide how to indicate what grid scale is used
18:48:39funmanno problem then, it was just a suggestion
18:49:10Leargevaerts: Those IP addresses certainly don't work here. :)
18:49:53wodzfunman: on wider screens we can just put string "grid: 50mV" but on mini I am testing it does not fit on the screen
18:50:23kugelJdGordon: strange fix, parse_list worked fine so far
18:50:58gevaertsLear: I suspect you're doing something wrong then!
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18:51:36kugelJdGordon: I'm not sure if mixing ) into parse_list is proper
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18:52:06domonoky1should the themesite allow themes whitch use one of the files without including it into the zip ? Or should themeauthors package that too ?
18:52:15wodzwould be there any benefit from converting view_battery into viewports? (I mean one viewport for text and second for graph itself)
18:53:35kugeldomonoky1: we distribute it, don't we?
18:54:13domonoky1kugel: yes, but it means to include nasty exclusions in the themesite.
18:54:46kugelcan we make it proper?
18:54:53Leargevaerts: I just put them in the address bar in the browser...
18:55:01kugele.g. have an array of filenames that are allowed to pass if it doesn't exist?
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18:55:08gevaertsLear: that won't work since http 1.1 was introduced
18:55:22gevaertsLear: you need /etc/hosts magic
18:55:59kugelLear: works for me
18:56:27kugelgevaerts: I can build the app without #define COWON_D2 now
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18:58:36funman g();
18:58:36funman 8:f7ff fffe bl10000000 <g>
18:58:46funmanthat can't be right, f7ff ffffe is an infinite loop :'(
19:00:26funmangevaerts: any command needs to be run after modifying /etc/hosts ?
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19:00:43gevaertssome browsers need to be restarted
19:04:22kugelff doesnt
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19:18:54kugelfunman: hm, I could've given you mine if you asked :)
19:19:38funmanah, next time we meet i will be less shy !
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19:25:13domonoky1currently the themesite only allows themes witch have all files which are in the config, and all skin files have to be named <themename>.<ext>... so currently there is no way to use the with theme on the themesite.
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19:28:32rasherdomonoky1: A special-case should probably be added for those
19:30:59S_a_i_n_tdomonoky1: what do you mean by "all skin files have to be named <themename>.<ext>" coud you give me an example please?
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19:32:23S_a_i_n_tthat's kind of didn't used to be that way did it?
19:32:40S_a_i_n_tI can't recall. My themes don't do that, but I'm sure some would.
19:33:05domonoky1no, it was always this way. Its so its clear which files belong to which theme, and they dont overwrite each other.
19:33:42gevaertsThere should probably be a similar mechanism as with fonts
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19:34:36S_a_i_n_tgevaerts: As in, "themename.fnt"?
19:35:05gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: no. That's why I said "as with fonts" and not "with fonts"
19:35:57S_a_i_n_tAha, right. Human parsing error, I still took it to mean the latter of those two.
19:36:29gevaertsI mean, allow referring to files that are in some standard set
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19:39:38Bagderthe DNS problem is due to an oversight on our behalf from when we moved our server (and changed the secondary NS servers)
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20:03:46kugelBagder: is it fixed now?
20:04:07Bagderzagor's in charge of that and I've mailed him about it
20:08:02CIA-6New commit by funman (r26700): make meizu-m6sl bootloader build ...
20:08:58bertrikis anyone here working on a radio skin?
20:09:52CIA-6New commit by bagder (r26701): s/ in the links so that it works better on temporary/other ...
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20:12:21Buschelanything speaking against submitting -O2 for flac? (I cannot gice the FS-ID as is down for me)
20:12:49funmanBuschel: i'm speaking for it, just commit
20:12:50Buschelwith -O2 flac is faster with current tools and much faster with eabi
20:13:10notlisteningdomonoky1, any bandwidth or should i just wait till it's done?
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20:15:28djbrownhi, is there a mirror for
20:15:34Buschelwait, I forgot to ask for a test on a coldfire target. can anyone with a coldfire target check decoding speed of flac w/o and with this patch ->
20:18:07djbrownor an IP address for
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20:22:53kugelBuschel: I would like to see a test on coldfire, but I'm for it too
20:23:26domonoky1notlistening: what do you mean with bandwidth ? i didnt get around to look at your changes..
20:23:39Buschelgood. I will wait for a proper coldfire test :)
20:24:01djbrownso the site isn't looking good then? works somewhat for now
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20:26:14notlisteningdomonoky1, bandwidth = time for me :D
20:26:37domonoky1i will now look at that thing again.. :-)
20:26:51domonoky1so i have "bandwidth" :-)
20:27:19bluebrotherdomonoky1: is the themesite already converted to the new syntax?
20:27:46domonoky1bluebrother: no, i miss 'zip' on this server todo it..
20:27:54djbrownBagder: thanks. are there any builds on there?
20:28:09domonoky1also the needs some fixing (the zip needs to be copied back)
20:28:29domonoky1and dont know if JdGordon fixed the skinupdater now..
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20:31:45bluebrotherdomonoky1: you only need zip, not unzip?
20:31:58domonoky1unzip is there, but no zip
20:32:14Bagderdjbrown: no...
20:32:25bluebrotherbuilding zip 3.0 from sources shows almost no dependencies, so I guess simply copying the binary should work.
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20:33:13bluebrotherdomonoky1: if you want to try:
20:33:23domonoky1bluebrother: good idea, will try later.
20:33:42bluebrotherin case the server has gcc you could even build it yourself :)
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20:33:53domonoky1notlistening: i just tested with windows and there open-sapi seems to work fine. :-)
20:34:33Bagder has the rockbox downloads
20:35:03domonoky1notlistening: regarding your comments on the tracker: rbutil should not call "killServer" after every wav file (unless there is a big bug somewhere).. how did you test that ?
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20:36:02djbrownBagder: wahoo! thanks again.
20:36:25domonoky1notlistening: i have to think about how i could improve the timeout thing. The longer i set those, the longer it will take before i can notify the user of errors.
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20:37:18mk429so guys, i got the current build of the zvm bootloader and the zvm rockbox binary onto my vision:m (afte rmuch poking of things and figuring out of stuff)
20:37:26mk429seem to just run some lcd and ATA tests
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20:38:54mk429reading some stuff here -> led me to believe people were running more than just driver tests, and actually had some rockbox gui stuff showing up
20:38:59notlisteningdomonoky1, RE killServer I can run the server externally in debug mode and rbutil talks to it as I was suggesting just fine and it calls killServer after the first Wav generation
20:39:27mk429i also tried applying those patches to the relevant rev and could not build... is there anyone here who had anything to do with the ZVM port, or knows why it died?
20:40:15domonoky1notlistening: was there a error with that generation ? It will call killServer and stop if there is a error.
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20:40:55notlisteningdomonoky1, with the timeouts the only time we need to really care about a timeout is when the server startsup. If we know the server is running then it responds giving feedback, if the server crashes then I have to fix the bugs and it is listed as unstable till it works properly
20:41:19notlisteningdomonoky1, just check for you
20:46:23saratogamk429: i think only one person ever worked on it, and he started porting to some other device
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20:49:30saratogaIIRC the main issue was reverse engineering the creative file system (which was partially done by some other group years ago) and getting the buttons all working
20:49:57domonoky1notlistening: currently i only have one timeout for all commands i send you.. and i wouldnt like to wait forever for the server. Even bug-free code can hang if somkething happens with the system.
20:50:46domonoky1notlistening: and more then 5 seconds is a really long time to get a list of supported wav formats.. is there no faster way ?
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20:54:06notlisteningdomonoky1, I will get it to send them one by one so you are getting a response for your timeout ok, there is a faster way a mement of brilliance today helped me think of it so that will improve a lot
20:54:38funmanbertrik: i remember you have put some code on one of frank's meizus at devcon, you remember which one it was?
20:55:04bertrikfunman, it was the M6SP, the thick one I think
20:55:38funmanmeizu_dfu gets stuck at "GET CPU" step here
20:56:28domonoky1notlistening: that pastebin doesnt exist
20:56:28funmani remember reading something about it on the forum thread, i'm reading it from the start
20:56:28gevaertsfunman: are you root?
20:56:28bertrikyou have to hold the M button and be root
20:56:28funmanhm, i will try root
20:56:40funmanGET CPU worked on the m6sl but then sending the firmware didn't
20:56:57notlistening - spam protection :P
20:57:16bertrikI never tried the m6sl (because I don't have one), the samsung yp-s3 is similar though
20:57:19funmansame thing :/
20:57:57bertrikyou're trying to flash the *bootloader* on the m6sp, right?
20:58:07saratogalogs are working
20:58:34notlisteningdomonoky1, ther is an obvious killServer cmd being send there but for what reason ...?
20:58:57bertrikfunman, that's the correct one, I'll try here and paste the meizu_dfu command line
21:00:00domonoky1notlistening: that log looks strange.. i wonder what it repeated 67 times..
21:00:18domonoky1then theres this strange closeClient comand from the server somewhere..
21:00:36bertriksudo ./meizu_dfu m6 SST39VF800.dfu ../../build-meizum6sp/rockboot.ebn
21:00:45domonoky1but i think it sends the killServer command because it finsihed its list of things to voice.
21:01:01notlisteningdomonoky1, yeah closeClient is called to say that the server finished the last job
21:01:07bertrikI first press and hold the M button, then press and hold the power button, then insert the USB cable and release the power button
21:01:27funmanhm i am releasing both
21:01:48notlisteningdomonoky1, but it only sends two the list is massive and they are the first two
21:01:51bluebrotherdo we want to create a new rbutil release the next couple of days or do we want to include the opensapi stuff first?
21:01:52funmanstill the same
21:01:56domonoky1notlistening: so it sends that after every voicing ?
21:02:32gevaertsfunman: are you running linux?
21:02:46domonoky1notlistening: that answer confuses rbutil.. it just expects a 201:Synth OK after a speakMe command.
21:02:53funmangevaerts: yes
21:02:56notlisteningdomonoky1, yeah, a quirk of how the client run when used with another app
21:03:20domonoky1bluebrother: we should make a new rbutil in the next few days.. i expect that open-sapi wont get really ready in time :-)
21:03:50bluebrotherdomonoky1: my feeling is that it would be better to wait with the opensapi too :)
21:04:14bluebrotherjust to make sure we don't introduce even more bugs than we already added in svn :)
21:04:23notlisteningno worries, there are a lot of quirks to it at the moment
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21:04:45bertrikfunman, then I don't know what's happening, are you sure you are trying to flash the m6sp and not the m6sl?
21:05:28bertrikdoes it at least finish the program sequence? maybe the LCD driver I implemented does not work on your player
21:05:47funmanyes, although reading the forum further gave me some hint
21:05:59funmannot releasing any button takes me one step further
21:06:00notlisteningdomonoky1, is it possible to accept both responses?
21:07:35funmanbertrik: i have to keep pressing both buttons here, does that work for you too ?
21:07:44bertrikfunman, I'm not sure I understand you (there is no further step after the programming sequence), this is what I get:
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21:08:32gevaertsfunman: release power as soon as the transfer starts. If you hold it too long, the thing will reset
21:08:34bertrikyes, that works for me
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21:08:46funmangevaerts: if i don't release it, it'll get stuck at the first GET CPU
21:09:01gevaertsfunman: sure, so release it as soon as it gets past that :)
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21:09:32funmani was releasing after plugging USB, as wiki tells
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21:11:08funmani can enter DFU on m6sl by pressing only menu, but can't send code
21:12:19gevaertsfunman: what commandline are you using?
21:12:22bertrikI should have documented more of the DFU process while I was looking into it about 3/4 of a year ago ...
21:13:46bieberDoes anyone know offhand where the config files for the default themes are in the SVN tree?
21:14:49bluebrotherbieber: the cabbie wps files? Or the cfgs for loading the theme?
21:14:56bieberThe cfgs
21:14:57bertrikfor the samsung yp-s3 (which is similar to the m6sl) I just send one file directly to RAM and execute it from RAM, I don't use the updateNAND thing to actually flash the NAND
21:15:04bluebrotherthe latter are generated during building
21:15:20funmangevaerts: , second sentence of step 1. should be SL, and not SP ? (on SL Hold M and then press and hold PLAY)
21:15:47bieberOh, the Rockbox site is back up
21:16:20funmanbertrik: ah, seems to work
21:16:37bertrikthe instruction on the wiki is a bit confusing indeed
21:17:14bertrikI don't know if we can run anything useful on the M6SL at all yet
21:17:15bluebrotherbieber: check for wps/
21:17:51bertrikgevaerts, do you know? would markun know?
21:18:04gevaertsfunman: I suspect the first one should be SL
21:18:35gevaertsMostly because power+M was on the wiki first, and both me and markun only had an SL at the time
21:18:42funmanSL has no power button
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21:19:22CIA-6New commit by bluebrother (r26702): Use program name variable instead of hardcoded name. ...
21:20:40bertrikI'll try to clear up the DFU description
21:22:04gevaertsfunman: I'm pretty sure it's M first and then power or play (depending on which one exists) on all players
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21:22:47bertrikon M6SP and M3, power and play is one button, so perhaps better to just refer to the PLAY button and not mention POWER
21:23:34gevaertsAnd I'm also pretty sure that to reinstall the OF you need to release power/play after a while, or you'll get the thing in an interesting state
21:24:02funmani'll make myself more familiar with this
21:24:10bertrikI do remember some kind of reset circuit in the schematic indeed
21:24:24gevaertsfunman: hm, I think updateNAND_BE_070831.dfu is the wrong file for the SL
21:24:38gevaertsno, wait
21:24:51gevaertsit's the right one
21:27:24bertrikfunman, what did you do to make it work finally?
21:28:04funmanbertrik: i used rockboot.ebn as first argument
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21:29:34gevaertsok, you're running from RAM then
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21:32:33bertrikI don't know at what address the m6sl .ebn file is linked
21:33:23gevaertsI don't know (any more) either, but the first file is loaded to RAM
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21:34:29CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26703): Theme Editor: Made parser recover memory on error
21:34:32funmanit's simpler on the AMS !
21:34:57bertrikyeah, but the meizus have a much simpler "unbrick" procedure
21:35:09gevaertsIf you can remember the buttons anyway :)
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21:38:09bertrikhow the m3 and m6sp DFU mode works is interesting: the first file you send (the flashloader) is built as a kind of plugin with basic flash functions (init, identify, erase, read, write). The primary bootloader still handles USB and just calls the flash functions to write the image to NOR.
21:38:32bieberCan anyone name me a target device with FM and a remote?
21:39:02AlexPgigabeat S, H100
21:39:06gevaertsbertrik: h120 or x5 definitely
21:39:20AlexPI guess you mean remote lcd?
21:39:29AlexPIn which case not gigabeat S
21:39:31gevaertsNot bertrik obviously :)
21:39:33bertrikon the m6sl, the first file you sent is simply copied to RAM and started, so this flashloader contains all of the USB stuff
21:39:39bieberI'm just looking for something that'll give me a .cfg file to look at with every possible option
21:39:56AlexPH100, H300, x5
21:40:43gevaertsAlso pixelma's M5, but that's a special case
21:41:21bertrikI remember I was thinking of writing a kind of RAM loader (as opposed to a *flash* loader) to allow the m3/m6sp to run from RAM too
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21:44:21bieberNow I just have to find a theme that actually declares rwps and rsbs
21:45:55bieberThose are separate options in the .cfg from wps and sbs, right?
21:48:51bieberDo you know of a theme that uses them?
21:51:02biebernvm, iCatcher has it
21:51:18domonokyhm, nearly all themes in svn have rwps but didnt find one using a rsbs
21:53:05domonokyJdGordon| can the skinupdate now be trusted ? i have now everything prepared to upgrade the themes on the server..
21:55:14*domonoky notices that he cant update the themes via shell.. no write access to the file.. *grr*
21:56:43*kugel questions domonoky's definition of having "everything prepared" :)
21:59:05*funman downloads ARM compiler
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22:01:24bieberWhen adding binary files to the repository, should I always stick with application/octet-stream, or add a more specific MIME type?
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22:02:42bluebrotherbieber: when using a more specific mime type viewvc can show them better (especially images).
22:02:57Buschelanyone with a coldfire target willing to perform a short flac test? -> FS #11381
22:02:59bluebrothersvn itself doesn't need that, it only distinguished between text/plain and anything else
22:03:04bieberI realize now that I forget to set them on all my images :/
22:03:21bluebrotheras long as you don't have svn:keywords enabled it shouldn't harm.
22:03:39bluebrotherexcept for the fact that viewvc might try to display the files as text :)
22:03:56kugelfunman: did you post a bug report about the thumb bug?
22:04:14funmanno, scary people post on their bugzilla
22:04:27funmanalso i want to try ARM RVCT linker
22:04:39CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26704): Theme Editor: Fixed MIME types on image resources
22:05:52funmankugel: can you test the binary i uploaded on my ftp ? (built with -mthumb -mlong-calls)
22:06:29kugelfunman: on my e200? can you post the link again?
22:07:36funmannow i'm testing if/how -Os affects test_codec on fuzev1
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22:09:19kugelno boot :(
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22:17:01bertrikpamaury, I'm quite sure now that the mystery radio chip in the clip+ is a chip from silabs, but I haven't been able to find any datasheet that seems to match it
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22:18:17pamaurybertrik: that's a shame. What makes you think that ? I can have a look for it if you have a more precise reference, otherwise, try asking them directly. Except if you can reverse engineer the of of course
22:19:46bertrikpamaury, the register for setting the fm frequency seems to be at the same register address, other stuff like forcing mono, setting emphasis, etc. is at different register addresses. Also it has the same i2c address (0x10) as the si4700
22:20:38Stephen__what monochrome ports are there, ipod mini and the archoses ?
22:21:09AlexPI thought mini was greyscale not mono
22:21:39Stephen__correct, my question relates to the original packaged themes to put on the theme site
22:21:51Stephen__i have the ipod mini and archoses done but will have to convert them now
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22:21:57AlexPI don't follow
22:22:27Stephen__i was the person who put up the icatcher et all to be taken out of the builds for the theme site but i never got round to finishing them
22:22:28notlisteningdomonoky, another comment added, not sure if it is the problem but we will see, I think that is the issue looking at the logs
22:22:38bluebrotheripod mini is greyscale
22:22:41AlexPStephen__: Yes, and that was/is good work :)
22:22:46bertrikpamaury, I think I'll manage it by looking at the OF. If you ever open your clip+, could you make photos of the radio chip so I can read the type number?
22:22:58AlexPStephen__: But I don't get what you are asking about the mini
22:23:01Stephen__i'll wait till the themesite changes are in place and convert them
22:23:10Stephen__is that all i have left to do in other words ?
22:23:20Stephen__i haven'tforgotten othr targets ?
22:23:22pamaurybertrik: it's unlikely that I will but if so, yes.
22:23:29gevaertsthere are more mono targets than the archoses
22:23:30AlexPStephen__: But the mini isn't mono
22:23:53bluebrotherbieber: just tried building the theme editor on Windows using MSVC. It did even work (had to make only one simple change) :)
22:23:55pamauryCan you close it after opening it ? Is it easy ? dangerous ?
22:24:09Stephen__what else is mono ?
22:24:20AlexPmrobe 100
22:24:28bluebrothermrobe100 is monochrome
22:24:35Stephen__what screen size is that
22:24:39gevaertssansa clip
22:24:42bertrikpamaury, I have no idea, I think I read it's a little easier than the clipv1, but I don't think I can open a clipv1 without damaging it
22:24:43bluebrother160x128 iirc
22:24:48bieberbluebrother: What was the change?
22:24:59Stephen__best grab a build and get on them then
22:25:06bluebrotherbieber: some change in a c file to make it c89 compatible.
22:25:15AlexPThe iriver remotes are mono too I think
22:25:16bieberOh, okay
22:25:20bieberMSVC doesn't do C99?
22:25:23bluebrotheri.e. swap some initialization with local variable instanciation.
22:25:33bertrikpamaury, I guess it's likely you'll damage the case of the player a bit if you open it
22:25:38gevaertsbieber: indeed not
22:25:44funmanpamaury: bertrik: there are guides over there for disassmebling the clips. If you damage it (a bit) you can still put it back
22:25:47bluebrotherno. At least not VS2005 (which I'm using), afaik VS2008 neither. I bet 2010 won't do as well.
22:25:55Stephen__hmm are the ones in the mrobe page ok to go with, I used the m5 ones for that
22:27:22pamaurybertrik: I'll think about it, if you real need that
22:28:02bertrikpamaury, please don't do it yet just for this
22:28:18pamaurydon't worry :)
22:28:22funmanuse X-rays!
22:29:08bieberbluebrother: Do you know if there is any kind of signal emitted when a non-editable item in a QTreeView is double-clicked?
22:30:12bluebrotherbieber: sorry, no.
22:30:16bieberOh wait, nevermind. It does have an activated signal, it just wasn't showing on the doc page because it's inherited
22:30:38funmanthere's a link at the top of doc pages to show all inherited signals/members
22:31:58kugelbieber: the docs clearly follow the OOP philosophy :)
22:32:24bieberHaha :)
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22:36:08pixelmaStephen__: some of the M5 themes might not work on the MRobe100 as monochrome can't do e.g. albumart or backdrops. Or the look suboptimal if images intended for greyscale or even colour are rendered in monochrome. Cabbiev2 as an example uses bitmaps created especially for those screens
22:36:29pixelmaif that's what you are asking - I just read the backlog a but
22:36:34pixelmaerr... bit
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22:36:55Stephen__so will I just upload new ones for the mrobe ? altho they will duplicate on the site then as they're organized via screen size as opposed to target
22:37:54Stephen__the object is to remove the themes from the builds and put them on the theme site
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22:38:26Stephen__if they show up already on the mrobe page if i upload mrobe specific ones it will overright the existing ones and not work on other targets
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22:39:44pixelmaah... I don't know how many of the theme site ones were especially made for the M:Robe100. I believe most of them were greyscale or colour ones that just happened to "work" on the monochrome too. They should be picked up automatically by the themesite again now... I though you were talking about SVN themes
22:40:18Stephen__i kinda am, i'm taking the svn themes to put on the theme site
22:41:01pixelmaI think you need to compare if there are different versions available
22:41:38Stephen__hmm good point, i have the archos and ipo dmini to convert once the themesite changes go live
22:42:00domonokyStephen__: it would be good if you could wait with theme uploading a bit, till we got the themes on the site all converted.
22:42:15Stephen__yeah that's what i'm hanging back for
22:42:34Stephen__have them here but they're in the old syntax
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22:47:06wodzWe are just after release so I was thinking about some codebase cleanups. What do You think about commiting FS #11189 as a starting point? (It will need sync probably)
22:47:37funmanwodz: looks good, i don't know if amiconn wanted to test it first
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22:48:52wodzpixelma did some tests when I posted this. I don't recall final result of the tests
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22:54:11bluebrothergnah :(
22:54:26bluebrotherQt 4.6.3 is out but they haven't fixed this really annoying warning on mac :(
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22:56:17CIA-6New commit by alle (r26705): Fix some accented glyphs in 35-Nimbus
22:56:19amiconnwodz: That patch throws away the history of some files. Imo the history should be kept
22:57:56wodzamiconn: I don't understand
22:59:14pixelmawodz: if I remember corretly there were no problems. During the first test I experienced disk corruption on my Ondio but couldn't reproduce other times, so I think now that it was unrelated to that patch
22:59:18amiconnIn your patch "dac3550a.c" looks like it would be fresh code. Of course the header has the old copyright, but moving files around the tree should be done using 'svn cp' or 'svn mv' in order to keep the history
22:59:39amiconnThere might be more files like that - it's just the first I noticed
23:00:42wodzamiconn: aa ok. I thought You mean something more fundamental
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23:05:07wodzamiconn: can You post somwhere Your patch to greylib and HD200 so I can test it?
23:05:44amiconnDid you do a baseline performance test (using test_fps) yet?
23:06:11wodzno I want to do it all at once
23:07:11funman <- using -Os on fuzev1
23:08:10funmancook & aac-lc are slightly slower
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23:11:37amiconnwodz: Ok.">
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23:14:25wodzamiconn: Ok I will test this
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23:19:08funmansaratoga: perhaps building codecs with -Os might show optimizable bits ?
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23:28:42amiconnWhat's up with the style on
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23:30:30CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26706): Theme Editor: Began implementing classes to display project files and settings in the project panel
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23:33:17leavittxSorry, but have someone done anything after that git pull will fail with merge conflicts? Changed git history, etc? I use official rockbox git repo.
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23:34:52Bagderamiconn: its probably due to my changing of some absolute urls to relative ones to make things work on a temporary rockbox site
23:35:12BagderI guess I'll revert those changes shortly
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23:40:16funmanleavittx: no, use git reset −−hard master; git pull
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23:44:27leavittxfunman: −− I don't get what is it :(
23:45:00funmanleavittx: did you read what i just said
23:45:14kugelleavittx: did you do a lot of git svn rebase before?
23:45:57leavittxfunman: it's output of 'git reset −−hard master; git pull'
23:47:10leavittxkugel: i have no idea what is git svn rebase :)
23:48:12leavittxI use git:// −− no svn so
23:48:38kugelleavittx: I also get those huge merge conflicts, I have no idea why but I always thought they're caused by git svn
23:49:30kugelI usually just delete master in that case
23:50:12kugelgit brach -d <branch>
23:50:28leavittxand what happen after this?
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23:53:09leavittxkugel: did you mean branch? :)
23:53:31leavittxerror: Cannot delete the branch 'master' which you are currently on.
23:53:46kugelleavittx: let's talk about it in -community
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