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#rockbox log for 2010-06-16

00:00:04 Quit whydoubt (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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00:02:34BuckwheatWell looking at the rockbox for fuze v2 it looks like it cant damage my player just lock it up until the battery is dead. Do you think i should try it and report any bugs?
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00:06:51kisakMy Fuse V2 runs fine
00:07:34Buckwheatkisak: so would you reccomend it
00:08:34BuckwheatI tried it before but i didn't under stand the directions do you think you could help me with the install
00:10:14Buckwheatkisak: >I tried it before but i didn't under stand the directions do you think you could help me with the install
00:11:07kisakAll I can really do is recommend you use svn to install instead of 3.6
00:11:21kisakso that you can use the 2.3.31 OF
00:11:30Buckwheatok can you link me to the svn
00:11:35Buckwheati know how to use it so
00:13:58BuckwheatSo i have to do everything
00:14:21kisaknot really, just get rbutil compiled
00:15:10kisakyou can cheat and use the build server instead of setting up your own cross compiler
00:15:21BuckwheatWhere do i get that (sorry total noob)
00:16:20BuckwheatIll just try this and see what i get if not ill come back here
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00:18:26Buckwheatkisak: im getting an error about a bad link :P
00:19:25Buckwheatthis is the svn link im using svn:// rockbox
00:19:45Buckwheatnevermind i had a space at the end...
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00:21:41ubuntu-nathanHi all!
00:21:58Buckwheatkisak: now im confused i have to set up cross compilers before i start
00:22:05ubuntu-nathanI'm a developer, that knows C/C++, Java, Pascal, Ruby and many others...
00:22:14ubuntu-nathanbut I want to know what I need to develop for RockBox
00:22:25ubuntu-nathan(that I seen as a promising project)
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00:22:38bertrikC mostly, assembly is also a plus
00:22:51ubuntu-nathanok, that I already know
00:22:55ubuntu-nathanbut which tools?
00:23:00Bagderubuntu-nathan: is a great start
00:23:09ubuntu-nathanthanks for the link
00:23:12Buckwheatcool a pontential new dev person!
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00:23:18kisakBuckwheat: I'm not familular enough with rockbox to give you clear and concise answers
00:23:41Buckwheatkisak: can you just explain to me what you did
00:23:43ubuntu-nathanyeah, I'm a mobile passionated
00:23:47ubuntu-nathanand as I love Linux
00:23:51ubuntu-nathanI found RockBox
00:24:07ubuntu-nathanthat I can use on my iPod Video and turn it into something better
00:24:13kisakBuckwheat: but you should be able to go into the rbutil directory and compile it for your system without setting up a cross compilier
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00:24:49Buckwheatok when the download is done ill get back to you
00:24:52*bertrik spots the text "RDA 5802 HERMON" in the clip+ diagnosis menu, could this be an id for the radio chip? (the radio identification register contains 0x5803)
00:24:56Buckwheatif it dosent work
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00:25:07kisakBuckwheat: I took the long route just to find that there was a bridge connecting the starting line to the 95% done mark
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00:25:24Buckwheatwell its done now
00:25:32Buckwheatso lucky me ^^
00:26:08Buckwheatkisak: now what do i do
00:26:43kisakBuckwheat: go into the rbutil folder
00:27:00ubuntu-nathanas I'm already at Linux
00:27:09Buckwheatkisak: k im in
00:27:16ubuntu-nathanI just need to cross-compile my gcc src
00:27:25ubuntu-nathanbut, that isn't a canadian cross?
00:27:42ubuntu-nathanthe name of the article is wrong
00:27:47kisakBuckwheat: read the INSTALL file, which tells you to run qmake then make
00:28:17ubuntu-nathanit should be: "CanadianCross - Building the cross compiler (Linux/Cygwin)"
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00:29:16bertrikhaha, I think I found the clip+ radio data sheet!
00:30:02Buckwheatbertrik: congrats
00:30:21Buckwheatkisak: what do i need to open the install file
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00:30:37kisakBuckwheat: any text editor
00:30:48Buckwheatin notepad its really confusing
00:31:11kisakBuckwheat: what OS are you on?
00:31:17Buckwheatwin 7
00:31:26tmzttry wordpad
00:31:28kisakwell ... then use wordpad
00:32:21Buckwheatthere we go! much better
00:33:03*domonoky points to for svn rbutil binarys...
00:35:52Buckwheatstill confused
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00:38:46Buckwheatkisak: still confused when it says run qmake when its no where in the folder
00:39:04tmztyou building the Qt version?
00:39:21Buckwheatnot shure
00:39:26tmztso you need the Qt SDK which includes qmake which needs to be in the path
00:39:26Buckwheatfirst time doing this
00:39:40Buckwheatso where do i get this qt sdk
00:40:02kisakI believe domonoky just pointed out a shortcut on the shortcut ... you can go grab qt 4.3 (or greater) if you don't have it and then grab a svn version of this from his site
00:41:06BuckwheatWhich one is the qt 4.3
00:41:19Buckwheator should i just get the zip one
00:42:32kisakthe zip should be for windows
00:42:58Buckwheatthats what i thought but i didnt know if you need some different codec for the others...
00:43:27kisakit should be a linux, mac, and windows varient
00:43:43Buckwheati got an exe
00:45:39Buckwheatwhich mode does the palyer have to be in
00:46:07Buckwheatif i remeber isnt it msc
00:49:04Buckwheatwell its downloading and my heart is pumping! I hope it works!
00:49:44Buckwheatif it works i will love you guys (no homo)
00:50:24Buckwheatnow its saying firmware upgrade in progress is this normal
00:50:50BuckwheatYes it worked how can i repay you guies
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01:04:22Buckwheatkisak: ty for the link
01:07:46Buckwheatis it possable to put rockbox on a micro sd card and use it when i plug it in? just wondering
01:09:39kisakI don't have a microsd card, so I haven't looked into it
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01:14:07Buckwheatkisak: ill try it after i eat and let you guys know
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01:23:46riodeg242just installed rockbox on sansa e280. works like a charm. way faster then built-in firmware, easie to use and seems to sound better. you guys are awesome!
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01:59:03Milardo2Hi, does anybody here know what additional info is needed for the meizu rockbox port?
02:02:19krazykitmost likely it needs more code
02:03:11Milardo2anymore more specification information necessary though?
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02:11:52Buckwheatmilardo2: try this link
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02:13:23Milardo2thanks i've been to there but i'm not quite sure what is needed though?
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02:23:45bieberIf anyone wants to try out the config file editing in SVN Theme Editor, I'd love to hear comments on it
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02:57:49Buckwheatmilardo2: sorry thats all i could find
02:59:42BuckwheatWell i better get my ass up and do something productive bye everybody. :P Buckwheat Out.
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03:29:18*Dhraakellian goes hunting around for clip+ firmware that can use for Rockbox installation
03:29:31Dhraakellianlink on the sandisk forums doesn't appear to work
03:32:20saratogaworks for me
03:36:59Dhraakelliannewer version of rbutil that supports 01.02.15?
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03:42:47Dhraakellian1.2.6 says "[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested Clip+ versions are : 01.02.09"
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04:01:58Dhraakellianhmm... okaay, wget appears to be working, so nevermind
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07:47:06Dhraakelliangetting used to the keymap on a new DAP, even running the same firmware, is a wee bit annoying
07:47:16Dhraakellian</random observation>
07:49:48bluebroth3rDhraakellian: svn binaries of Rockbox Utility are at if you need a newer mkamsboot
07:51:11Dhraakellianthink I'm okay now
07:51:49Dhraakellianstill using 01.02.09 for the OF, but it got Rockbox installed which is the important part
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07:52:20Dhraakellian...unless the newer mkamsboot would solve the perpetual reboot cycle when plugging in USB
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07:57:47saratogawhich mkamsboot did you use?
07:58:11Dhraakellianwhatever came with rbutil 1.2.6 from the downloads page
08:00:01Dhraakellianno working battery indicator on the clip+?
08:00:33Dhraakellian(of course, I suppose the answer to that question is either "yes" or "fire up battery bench")
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08:08:06CIA-6New commit by funman (r26866): FS #11402 by me : sd_enable for Sansa AMSv2 ...
08:10:10CIA-6r26866 build result: All green
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08:28:39Dhraakellianoh, nevermind... it's dropped down from 100% now
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08:41:56bieberDo we have a list somewhere of all the known keys in .cfg files?
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08:48:40bieberAnd on a related note, anyone know a bash one-liner to trim every second and third line of text from a file? i.e. keep lines 1, 4, 7, etc.
08:53:17CIA-6New commit by bertrik (r26867): FM clip+ radio: enable stereo indication
08:55:01CIA-6r26867 build result: All green
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09:11:17mitkbieber: cat file.txt | sed 'n;d;d;' should do it
09:11:24bieberThanks again
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09:47:05CIA-6New commit by bieber (r26868): Theme Editor: Replaced line edits for key names with combo boxes
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09:48:49CIA-6r26868 build result: All green
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10:14:58funmansomeone but ucchan has looked in text_viewer code?
10:15:02funmanit looks like java
10:15:28funmani think the problem is not that it crashes when built with eabi, but that it ran when built with the old compiler
10:15:35S_a_i_n_tI think ucchan has all but completely rewritten the text viewer.
10:16:24S_a_i_n_tfunman: text viewer crashes when built with eabi?
10:16:27funmani have started to make some patches but i should rather tell him about the problems i've seen because i have missed some
10:19:18funmanwhere is the main stack size defined?
10:20:14funmani suppose DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE
10:22:45JdGordonkernel.h probabbly
10:22:50JdGordon0x400 iirc
10:23:05funmanthread.h and yes it's 0x400 but doubling it still makes text_viewer crash
10:24:55S_a_i_n_tIs this a specific target, or is there some requirement to get text viewer to crash? (working on Nano 1/2G)
10:25:08S_a_i_n_tDO I need to svn up? ( a few days old now)
10:29:49funmanS_a_i_n_t: (you ALWAYS need to svn up!
10:29:54amiconnDefault stack should be 8K, i.e. 0x2000
10:30:03amiconnErr, that's main stack
10:30:24amiconnBut plugins do use the main stack
10:30:59funmanah it's defined in the .lds
10:32:55S_a_i_n_tthat says r26384, I'm using r26690 without problem in the text viewer.
10:33:21funmani reproduce the crash on clipv2
10:33:37S_a_i_n_tHmmm, can't do it on the Nanos
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10:37:01funmancrash is in solidblock() called from lcd_bitmap_part()
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10:46:06funmanitself coming from lcd_putsxyofs() ..
10:48:31funmanitself coming from lcd_putsxyofs_style() ..
10:50:06funmanitself coming from lcd_putsxyofs_style_offset() ..
10:52:22funmanitself coming from lcd_puts (soon back in text_viewer)
10:52:43JdGordondon't you love the lcd api? :)
10:53:34funmanno problem but i wouldn't mind a backtrace() in UIE()
10:54:05funman(now in lcd_putsf())
10:55:09wodzamiconn: I implemented simple linear interpolation in test_grey so it printout lcdlinear matrix values - want to see patch?
10:55:53funmanerr.. i'm recording the address call from UIE() ..
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11:12:49CIA-6New commit by wodz (r26869): Add interpolation so output file contains lcdlinear[] matrix dump
11:13:30wodzhmm commit message could have been more verbose :-/
11:14:48CIA-6r26869 build result: All green
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11:16:03funmanyou can change log message with svn prop
11:16:27pyro_maniac_funman: have you tested eabi on samsung yh devices?
11:16:35funmanpyro_maniac_: i dont have yh920 anymore
11:16:58pyro_maniac_i tested yesterday and it worked
11:17:17funmancool :) have you tested the text viewer too?
11:17:30pyro_maniac_only boot and play music
11:17:45pyro_maniac_but if you want, i will do tonight
11:18:31pixelmahmm... there is a Clip+ manual but I haven't seen a specific handling for the slightly differing keymap (which I believe it has) for the manuals yet
11:19:36wodzpixelma: how is test on Your Ondio going?
11:19:46funmanpixelma: the only difference is softhold afaik
11:20:22pixelmafunman: doesn't that need some slight changes elsewhere?
11:20:36funmanno it's in the manual already
11:20:54funmanbut quickscreen is different between clip+ & other clips, IMO it should be the same for all
11:21:46funmani think dfkt started looking at clip keymap
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11:24:13funmantext_viewer crashes on all the sansa i have (clip* fuze* c200v2)
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11:27:15S_a_i_n_tHmmm, in that case I almost wish I could say it crashes on Nano 1/2G also, but it doesn't.
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11:34:11simonrvnah so i'm not the only one that's seeing that
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11:50:22JdGordonbieber: I like how the tree follows the cursor, but is it possible to have the tree selection follow it also?
11:50:41JdGordoninstead of just expanding the tree to the tag, it actually gets selected?
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12:55:18dfktfunman, i only looked at the recording and radio keymap... for the audio player interface only the quicklist and keylock should be reverted to how it already was - the rest is fine. all the people in the ABI thread say the same. :)
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13:41:35pondlifeThe Pen&Paper theme on didn't get upgraded to the new format, although it ran through skinupdater fine here.
13:42:14pondlifeShould I re-upload (i.e. as a new theme), or can it be retransferred preserving stats?
13:43:35JdGordonup[load manually is the fastest optoin
13:43:43S_a_i_n_tpondlife: Just make a note of it here, I assume what's already been said is sufficient.
13:43:45JdGordonask S_a_i_n_t about trying to get it uploaded so it preserves stats :)
13:44:21S_a_i_n_tHey! it's not my fault people are slackers!
13:45:11*S_a_i_n_t checks the tmemesite...and yes, people are still slackers :)
13:45:22S_a_i_n_tAhem "themesite"
13:45:43pondlife"Slacker work needed"
13:45:46JdGordonnot the memesite?
13:46:18S_a_i_n_tpondlife: If you notice any others, make a list. It may help in my crusade also ;)
13:46:28S_a_i_n_t(one of my themes got ignored also)
13:46:36JdGordonthats because we dont like you :D
13:46:45S_a_i_n_t*actually two, but the other was a beta of the one I actually care about.
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13:56:37S_a_i_n_tAnyone want a laugh and a half of full cream fail?
13:56:49S_a_i_n_ttry through the skinupdater...
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14:17:44giovanniHi there
14:18:39giovannicould FS #10806 patch be committed for the touch screen devices?
14:20:33giovanniThis is because of the absolute mode
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14:21:53S_a_i_n_tgiovanni: Based on the comments on the tracker...not at this stage.
14:23:00giovanniok, but at the moment, yes&no screen is not usable
14:23:34giovannithis is an improvement for the touch interface to be considered important
14:23:42giovanniin my opinion
14:23:49S_a_i_n_tthat may be true...but according to the comments on the tracker it's in no shape to be commited.
14:24:08S_a_i_n_tIf you want it in your build, feel free to apply the patch to source and compile it.
14:24:52S_a_i_n_tIt hasn't seen any attention since late '09, but it *may* still apply cleanly.
14:26:11giovanniright, this is a workaround i use on every update
14:26:51giovanniand yes, it is frozen from december, this is why I'm writing here
14:29:10S_a_i_n_tThe thing is, just because a solution is available, it doesn't make it the right solution.
14:30:01giovanniI understand
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14:30:59giovannibut I am not a good coder, so I can't do nothing really but asking
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14:36:35S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Any idea why "%X(backdrop.bmp)0%|0%|" would pass checkwps?
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14:37:05S_a_i_n_t(according to topik it doesn't work on target, which doesn't surprise me)
14:37:55S_a_i_n_tI removed the "0%|0%|", and she's a goer. But theme themesite says "works with current build"
14:54:55JdGordonbecause checkwps is stupid :p
14:55:39pondlifeS_a_i_n_t: Do you have a wiki page or similar where non-converted themes are listed? Maybe on the SkinBreakingChange page?
14:58:51S_a_i_n_tpondlife: Unfortunately, no. Normally I'd say that because of the temporary nature of the info that it doesn't really belong on the wiki, but may attempts to get my own theme replaced may void that comment :P
14:59:10S_a_i_n_tPerhaps the forum? though, I'm not sure that's really the right place either.
14:59:40pondlifeI'd think the wiki ideal - anyone can update it and it will be removed as and when resolved? Or maybe Flyspray?
15:00:31S_a_i_n_tWell, with those things in mind (update, etc.) IRC is ideal.
15:00:48S_a_i_n_tit's logged, it's just that the right person needs to see it.
15:01:09S_a_i_n_t(one of three people I believe, assuming they're motivtaed/available at the time)
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15:02:24JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: maybe shoot an email to scorche asking for the required access? if it is only a matter of coping zips you might even get it
15:02:36S_a_i_n_tdomonoky was really interested in a list of themes that failed the update, but Ihaven't managed to catch him online since the update script was run.
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15:02:45JdGordonotherwise need to give up and reset those themes
15:03:30S_a_i_n_tit's not really the dl count that bothers me...its my 50 something votes ;)
15:03:48S_a_i_n_tbut yes, I see your point.
15:05:23S_a_i_n_tbut, if checkwps has "hidden" the theme...can I still resubmit it?
15:05:57S_a_i_n_tor, would it count as being added again, and can't have the same name as it had originally?
15:06:17S_a_i_n_tthese are thoughts which have prevented me doing so thus far.
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16:02:04amiconnwodz: The greyscale mapping isn't simple linear interpolation, at least not for the screens I calibtared
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16:20:20wodzamiconn: From test_grey You have 16 values, lcdlinear has 256 elements. How do You get values between calibrated? (linear interpolation?) If so my change do just that
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16:36:15amiconnwodz: I used b-spline interpolation (using an openoffice calc graph)
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17:25:44BuckwheatWhat do you people think about a flash emulator for rockbox?
17:26:01BuckwheatWhats funny
17:26:09S_a_i_n_tFlash is evil.
17:26:27BuckwheatSome of the games are fun.
17:26:50B4gderBuckwheat: go ahead and make one!
17:27:28BuckwheatI'm just asking what people would think so i could contact some one who could do it
17:27:58B4gderit's a massive job
17:28:13GaloisApple is a 250 billion dollar company. They can't get flash to run well on iphones, which are much more powerful than most rockbox hardware
17:28:34BuckwheatTrue, true...
17:28:55BuckwheatWhat if the rockbox community wrote there own program to run flash?
17:29:18Galoisit would take a Linux kernel sized effort to outdo Apple
17:29:26B4gderif we thought it was a great idea, we'd already be working on it ;-)
17:29:49B4gderbut I figure you could start working on a gnash or something port
17:29:55BuckwheatWell true but i was just wondering if there was any talk about it.
17:30:11B4gderit's a massive job (/me repeats myself to make it clear)
17:30:17S_a_i_n_tThere's definitely been talk...
17:30:31BuckwheatThats the problem im limited in my programming.
17:30:43Buckwheatand i havent done anything for rockbox yet
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17:32:04simonrvni'd rather see an html parser than some flash "runner". i really dislike flash.
17:32:18BuckwheatIve been looking at the todo list in the sight and i don't see anthing about flash
17:32:37Tornetodo list?
17:32:58BuckwheatWait nevermind worong thing i was looking at the rockboy plugin...
17:35:51BuckwheatAnother idea for a plug-in is a battery drainer so you can drain your battery when you want to charge it so you dont get battery memory.
17:36:09BuckwheatMy last player died because of that
17:36:12TorneThe memory effect is largely mythical or caused by a misunderstanding of battery technology
17:36:25TorneAnd it just plain doesn't exist for lithium ion/polymer batteries, which all players now use
17:36:34Torneso unless you have a *very* old player with a NiMH cell..
17:36:46BuckwheatThan why did mine die? Could i resurect it?
17:36:48TorneLiIon/Poly batteries last longest if you recharge them often
17:36:55Buckwheatit was only a year old.
17:36:59Tornei.e. plug them in whenever you get a chance
17:37:10Tornerecharging them from a deeper discharge kills them faster.
17:37:41BuckwheatSo every day when im on the comp plug in my mp3
17:37:51Torne*shrug* It doesn't make a huge difference either way
17:37:57Torneplug it in whenever it's convenient for you
17:38:11Tornethe battery will die when it's too old
17:38:17Tornemore or less regardless of what you do with it :0
17:38:23BuckwheatI don't do much other than sit at the computer for most of the day.
17:38:34BuckwheatAt night i do alot of different things
17:38:48Torneif you're using it while sitting next to a power supply you might as well leave it plugged in
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17:39:01BuckwheatOk thank you for clearing that up
17:39:20BuckwheatWell what about cell phone batteries
17:41:12TorneAll lithium ion or lithium polymer batteries are the same
17:41:21TorneNothing made in the last decade or more uses anything else
17:42:24BuckwheatOk than can you explain why my grandpa's cell phone died because he plugged it in everyday when he got home? ( 2 year cell phone)
17:43:35S_a_i_n_tmaybe try #whydidmygrandpasphonedie
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17:43:40Tornebecause lithium ion/polymer batteries have a limited lifespan and don't hold a charge well after a couple of years, no matter what you do with them
17:43:44Torneand yes, this is offtopic
17:44:12BuckwheatOh ya this is off topic sorry S_a_i_n_t
17:44:24Buckwheatthank you Trone. ^^
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18:15:07Buckwheat>Any body here know how to boot the sansa fuze v2 in the original firmware?
18:15:18BuckwheatAnother question is how do you get the pacbox working
18:15:37Torneread the manual
18:15:39Torneto both questions
18:16:06Buckwheati did but i cant find it
18:16:21Buckwheatfor the pacbox when i download it gives me a zip file with nothing in it
18:16:45BuckwheatIm getting it from here
18:17:17S_a_i_n_tSOOOOOO offtopic.
18:17:17TorneWe can't help you with that, because you are downloading it illegally ;)
18:17:32S_a_i_n_tnoone here will help you with ROMS, well...obtaining them.
18:17:34Torne(to get a pacman rom legitimately you need to buy a pacman arcade board and dump the roms)
18:17:43BuckwheatNo its on the rockbox websight to get it
18:17:57Torne(it shouldn't be, because it's illegal)
18:18:05Buckwheatlook down there a bit
18:18:23Buckwheatthen it links you to a sight to download the game
18:18:28TorneNo it doesn't.
18:18:51TorneIt links you to the author of the emulator, who doesn't host a copy of the game because that's illegal, and to MAME, who don't host a copy of the game because that's illegal :)
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18:19:11BuckwheatOoooh... I guess i mis understood
18:19:25BuckwheatTy for clearing that up! ^^
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18:47:37flan_suseFor the picture flow plugin in Rockbox, where does it read the covert art from? within the id3? or from a separate .jpg file?
18:48:16AlexPsame as the album art
18:48:38flan_suseAlexP, so a file in the same directory as the song?
18:49:01AlexPflan_suse: See Album Art in the manual for the gory details
18:49:17AlexPThe entry for Pictureflow will also be useful to you
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18:49:52flan_suseI'm using Banshee, which fetches and displays the album artwork, but they are stored in an external folder. But somehow, the display the album art even when I plug in my Rockbox device (shows album art properly in Banshee when the Rockbox library is selected.)
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18:50:13TheSevenbtw is there any particular reason why we don't use id3 albumart?
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18:50:41AlexPflan_suse: First get album artwork working in Rockbox, then the database, then pictureflow will just work :)
18:50:47flan_suseIt is kind of confusing when everyone is managing album artwork in a different way.
18:50:52AlexPTheSeven: Because it is an abomination? :)
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18:51:14TheSevenwell, is there any technical reason for that?
18:51:15AlexPflan_suse: We support a few ways, including that used by e.g. WMP
18:51:29AlexPTheSeven: Dunno :)
18:51:39flan_suseWMP, no comment. ;)
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18:52:21TheSevenIIRC ID3 AA is basically a JPEG or PNG picture embedded in the tag
18:52:33AlexPflan_suse: sure, but given it is just folder.jpg in the directory, and lots of people use it...
18:52:43ranmabertrik: Oh, I see you have test results already, I was just about to compile :)
18:52:55TorneTheSeven: it's encoded in a slightly nontrivial way, but yes
18:53:03TorneTheSeven: nobody has done the work to support it
18:53:06Tornethat's more or less it.
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18:53:35TheSevenTorne: you mean the desyncing thing?
18:53:57Tornei forget all the details, i think it's also broken up into chunks?
18:53:58TheSevenIIRC there is some notable difference between ID3v2.3 and ID3v2.4 with that :-/
18:54:23flan_suseAlexP, I cannot find anything about Album Art in the .pdf manual for my device.
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18:54:34AlexPflan_suse: which device?
18:54:41flan_suseSansa Clip+
18:54:50AlexPoh right
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18:55:05AlexPclip+ might not have it
18:55:07flan_suseI know "unstable" but it's been working better than the original firmware, and I mean that seriously.
18:55:32AlexPjust look at a different manual, the placement of files should be the same
18:55:40flan_suseAlexP, but Clip+ has the picture flow plugin, and it shows the album art boxes as I scroll through them. But they all have a Question Mark, no actual pictures.
18:55:55flan_suseAlexP, and no folders have folder.jpg within them.
18:56:06AlexPflan_suse: Yeah, I meant I think it might not do album art, but it does do pictureflow
18:56:27Torneindeed, clip doesn't support album art :)
18:56:29AlexPflan_suse: Yeah, have a look at a different manual to see where the album art can go, then rebuild the pictureflow cache
18:56:40flan_suseAlexP, technically, if I place a picture called folder.jpg into on of the folders, it should display it?
18:56:43Tornepictureflow has its own code to find album art
18:56:50flan_suseOkay, trying another .pdf guide.
18:56:55Torneclip doesn't have the *core* code to load/display album art in the while playing screen.
18:57:06AlexPTorne: I think it uses the same placement options as AA though
18:57:06TheSevenTorne: seems to be just one big non-desynced blob
18:57:07Tornebut pictureflow always supports art, because otherwise ti would be pointless :)
18:57:11TorneAlexP: yes
18:57:16bertrikWe could do a statically rendered album art image theoretically, right?
18:57:35Tornebertrik: only in mono
18:57:37Tornebut yes
18:58:50TorneTheSeven: anyway, yeah. it's probably not super duper hard. if someone came up with an implementation that wasn't sucky i'm sure it could go in :)
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18:59:18AlexPflan_suse: Normally the pictureflow section points at album art to show you where to put things, for clip it should have it in its own right
18:59:28AlexPSomething for us to fix :)
18:59:32TheSevenshould that maybe be put on mr. someone's todo list to encourage someone to actually do it?
18:59:41flan_suseAlexP, I just read it in another .pdf guide, and I understand it better now, but it seems I would have to do this manually, since not all music software uses external files for album art, and even if they do, they use a different naming scheme.
18:59:45TheSeven(people may think that it is an unspoken nodo for some reason)
19:00:02TorneTheSeven: No, Mr Someone's todo list is for stuff that people generally want :)
19:00:16TheSevenwell, isn't this stuff that people generally want?
19:00:17TorneTheSeven: i think we're a long way from general agreement that embedded album art is something we must have
19:00:23Torneby people i mean developers
19:00:29Torneusers aren't people
19:00:41TheSevenand must have != like to have of course
19:01:08flan_suseMy music has embedded album art, so whenever the song is transferred to a device, or back to the computer, the album art goes with it, automatically.
19:01:09AlexPIf someone wants to do it OK, but I don't think it is a want to have necessarily :)
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19:01:39ranmabertrik: Anyway, seems to work fine on this Clip+ too
19:01:40saratogaTheSeven: Unhelpful looked into doing embedded album art when he added support for JPEG
19:01:56saratogahe concluded that it would be fairly difficult to do cleanly and let it drop
19:01:57bertrikranma, cool, thanks for testing
19:02:04flan_suseranma, you're using the folder.jpg method?
19:02:07saratogabut i think there was agreement that it would be ok to have provided a clean solution could be found
19:02:14flan_suseranma, I have a Clip+ as well.
19:02:17TheSevenanother thing i'm still wondering about, is what to do about the nano2g bootloader mess
19:02:22ranmaflan_suse: No, I was testing the radio
19:02:28AlexPflan_suse: He isn't talking about pictureflow :)
19:02:34flan_suseAlexP, goti t.
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19:03:28AlexPbut anyway, album art support in ID3 would be fine IMO, someone just needs to do it :)
19:04:04TheSevenare there criteria that code needs to fulfill to go into rockbox svn, if it's rockbox-related third-party code?
19:04:08Tornesaratoga: yah, we brought it up briefly at devcon iirc and we agreed it was another thing on the list of "if someone does it, and does it right, we'll take it, but none of *us* are in a hurry" :)
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19:04:49saratogaTheSeven: i don't think so, at least not beyond basic licensing
19:04:50flan_suseIt would make album art more universal across software and OSes.
19:05:05TheSeven...and maybe code quality
19:05:28TheSevenif we want to finally resolve that bootloader problem, we'll need to import nandfsck somehow
19:05:53Torneflan_suse: folder.jpg works on basically everything else, though, at this point :)
19:06:08Torneflan_suse: *one* of the schemes we use generally works on any desktop media player anyone uses..
19:06:22Tornewe can't support an infinite number of them because it takes time to check for the files
19:07:36bertrikTheSeven, IMO one thing we shouldn't do is basically duplicate code from other archives, but I'd like to hear the opinion of other devs too
19:07:36flan_suseTorne, but if it were read from the tag, then there would be no need to worry about the different naming/folder schemes each player uses, right?
19:07:53AlexPSure there would
19:07:59AlexPI don't want images in my tags
19:08:01bieberJdGordon: I can't imagine why not, I'll give it a try
19:08:22AlexPflan_suse: Nor do many others, so we still need to look for them in commonly used external schemes
19:08:25Torneflan_suse: Lots of players don't support tags..
19:08:28TheSevenbertrik: it isn't hosted properly right now (just in my personal svn)
19:08:32Torneand lots of people don't have or want tags in the files
19:08:42Torne(why on earth would you want 20 copies of the album art for every album?)
19:08:55TheSevenand another thing is if we should install the rockbox bootloader to nor or add another level of indirection
19:09:25flan_suseLooks like cover.jpg works too (in the same directory).
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19:11:52TheSevenand another question would be if we want to use norloader or not.
19:13:12TheSevenusing it adds a blue splashscreen and some delay, but reduces the bricking risk
19:13:17saratogai'm trying to figure out how to adjust the 0dB point on the AMS sansas for volume
19:13:48saratogai could just do 'vol +=6;' in audiohw_set_master_vol, but that seems ugly
19:13:56saratogais there somewhere in rockbox where this is all defined?
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19:14:20TheSevensaratoga: have you had a look in the target's config.h?
19:14:29TheSevenat least some similar things are defined there
19:15:06TheSevener, i mean config/<target>.h
19:15:37saratogadoesn't look like it
19:16:08saratogabasically the problem i have now is that +6dB should really be 0dB, and the volume should go up to +12 dB (which would become the new +6dB)
19:17:56saratogaah tenthdb2master
19:19:03flan_suseJust an update from before: I got Banshee (1.6.1) to auto-copy cover.jpg into my Sansa Clip+, so now the Picture Flow works. If my device had an Album Art feature as well (for browsing) I'm sure that would work as well. So, looks like this works with Banshee without needing to use id3 tags for the artwork.
19:19:20flan_suse(Each folder has a cover.jpg file within.)
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19:25:48flan_suseI never though I would see the day where the tiny single-color screen of this Sansa Clip+ could play games and do a cover flow.
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19:27:09robthe clip + has cover flow?
19:29:57bertrikyes, but we call it picture flow
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19:50:43framoToday I have received my 32 GB microSD card and it works well in my Clip+ with Rockbox :)
19:51:48bertrikgreat, don't know if a card that big has ever been tested :)
19:53:08framoI heared that microSD is forward compatible with the new XD standard (as long as it's formatted FAT32 and while the standard is not upgraded to the new faster speed)
19:54:01framoWould be interesting to know whether a 64GB XD card might work in the Sansa once it comes out.
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19:56:45dfktframo, how is the database rebuild time the OF uses? ;) (in other words, can't wait until RB takes over USB connections)
19:57:38saratogadfkt: i think i've got the volume issue mostly worked out
19:58:03saratogaalthough i've done something wrong since +6dB is really quiet, although +5dB is very louad
19:58:50saratogaTimar actually emailed me a couple days ago explaining why my patch didn't work correctly, but for whatever reason didn't mention it on FS and i didn't have a time to look into it
19:59:25framodfkt the OF takes ages to update the database. It's been running for about 5 minutes, and I only filled the card with 20 GB.
19:59:37saratogaas what the heck, I changed VOLUMEMIN but it the menus still display the old min volume
19:59:57saratogawhere is the volume range for the rockbox menus actually located
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20:02:45dfktsaratoga, the rmaa i posted today was made at 0db for all variants.. i thought it wasn't overly useful to test +6db as well
20:03:32saratogaits probably not too important to test until we have a patch that looks like its ready to commit
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20:03:52saratogasince we'll probably just change everything anyway :)
20:04:25dfktheh... any idea about the weird crosstalk beahvior, compared to the flat OF one?
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20:05:00saratogano i'm not sure what that is
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20:05:25saratogathe OF must being something differently though since the distortion is a little different too
20:05:39bertrikdidn't we set some kind of "low power" mode on the codec?
20:06:41saratogathe settings are mostly just copied from the AMSv1 players, which don't have exactly the same chip
20:08:21bertrikalso I think the codec allows to set some amplifier bias currents, which I suppose have some effect on distortion
20:08:25saratogatheres a bunch of analog settings that can be changed
20:08:36saratogaalso theres settings like "0: mixer and headphone stage in low power mode 1: mixer and headphone stage in high quality mode"
20:08:47saratogawithout really saying whats different about high and low quality modes :)
20:09:05saratoga"1: 150%, increased bisas for lower noise and THD"
20:09:12saratogawell that sounds like it might be useful
20:09:17bertrikI guess low power = low quality, and high quality = high power
20:09:42saratogayeah but whats it actually changing?
20:09:55bertrikI guess the bias currents too
20:10:11saratogaerr it looks like we don't set the HP_BIAS current?
20:10:41saratogai thought i turned that on a while ago
20:11:03dfkti got a patch from markun that sets some bias...
20:11:20dfktand it had positive effect on higher impedance phones, but none for 16 ohm
20:14:45saratogagive me a sec, i'll make you a build that'll be worth testing
20:15:00dfktmarkun gave me that to test:
20:15:09dfkti see it's not in svn
20:15:20saratogaah yeah
20:15:23saratogathats what i was thinking
20:15:30saratogais it any different?
20:15:42bertrikleft-right crosstalk could be influenced by using the HPCM (head phone common mode) setting or not
20:15:53dfktthat was the result -
20:16:12dfktbut maybe i should double-check about the non-patched results... it's just too wrong looking
20:17:41dfktsame patch for 16 ohm:
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20:21:20bertrikthe OF is doing a pretty good job compared to rockbox ...
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20:32:23funmandfkt: about the noise level perhaps changing as3514.c line 154 to AUDIOSET2_HPH_QUALITY_HIGH can help
20:33:05funmanalthough at -110/-130 dB, i don't know if it matters
20:33:48dfktfunman, i tried markun's patch - (or better, read the channel log for the last half hour :)
20:34:06funmanbtw the OF has 39 or 40 steps for volume so unless it uses software volume it must use the same settings than us and combine DAC and HPH volumes
20:34:21funmanah sorry
20:34:43dfkti'm not sure about the clip+, but the clipv1 has even less volume steps (~28 or so)
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20:36:35funman40 on clipv2 and clipv1 too, perhaps you tested with 'volume = low' ?
20:37:00funman <- is that normal ?
20:37:11dfkthmm, interesting... i definitely used the "a" firmware at high - maybe they gave it more steps in newer firmwares (which i never really used)
20:37:27dfkti don't think that's normal, i should re-test that
20:37:33funmansaratoga: btw perhaps i could ask some specific stuff to AMS (about 'high quality')
20:37:34dfktthat's too horrible to be true
20:38:42funmanit would be nice to have a codec registers readout from OF
20:39:20funmanranma has a jtagged clip+ but i think he didnt' manage to run the OF yet (broken flash) and he's busy
20:41:12funmanif i'm bored enough i will try to hack the OF to print these regs
20:41:33funmansaratoga: btw if the battery capacities for clipv2 and clip+ are correct, the clipv2 uses much more current than the clip+
20:42:32framoBTW the 32GB microSD card also works on my old E280 (in both Rockbox and OF)
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20:44:16framoWait, I need to verify for the OF again, maybe I was looking at old files on the internal memory
20:46:30framoNo, the OF on my e280 cannot see the card, I was looking at old files on the internal memory
20:47:14fabricehi, by any chance do you know if Cowon S9 player is supported ?
20:47:19bertrikIIRC, the e200v1's can't even handle SDHC cards, only plain SD
20:49:17Buckwheatfabrice: no it isnt at this time
20:49:37framobertrik, I can definetely browse and play the <microSD1> folder in Rockbox
20:50:01framoits the OF that cannot see the card
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20:50:01bertrikframo, sorry, I meant the original firmware
20:50:55Buckwheatfabrice: you can also look here,
20:51:24bertrikdfkt, it would be nice if you could test the two changes from markun's patch independently and see what effect each one has
20:51:44fabricei did , but not really knowing mp3 players (never had one) i guess some similar models might work or maybe rockbow could be modified
20:51:52bertrikno idea how difficult or time-consuming each test is though
20:52:13Buckwheatfabrice: how new is your player?
20:52:35dfktbertrik, no problem, i can do that. any load preferences - the standard 16 ohm, or a higher impedance?
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20:52:54fabriceBuckwheat: what would be a mp3 player working immediately with rockbox ? i'm wondering if buying an mp3 player could be useful, i have none so far
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20:53:13dfktfabrice, working players are mentioned on the rockbox website
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20:53:57Buckwheatfabrice: there are the players that will work. I prefer the sansa fuze. And in the US there on sale.
20:54:06BuckwheatWell where im at anyway
20:54:14fabricedfkt: stable ones yes, but there certainly is a best buy (?)
20:54:25pixelmafabrice: the firmware needs to be adapted to every other player type specifically. Sometimes it's possible to reuse code already written if there already is something for a certain piece of hardware
20:55:20bertrikdfkt, please try the high impedance, that one seems to show the biggest differences
20:55:22dfktfabrice, i like the sansa clip+ the best
20:55:31dfktbertrik, ok
20:55:37dfktksc75 it is :)
20:56:01BuckwheatThe clip's screen is tiny tho but a good first choice
20:56:49fabrice sansa fuze ans clip+, ok , i'm in france so i'm not sure it's sold everywhere, let me have a look
20:57:22Luca_SBuckwheat: I'm in love with my sansa fuze (v2)
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20:58:01BuckwheatLuca_S: Me too better than an ipod (minus the toch) in my opinion
21:00:20BuckwheatAny body know if rockboy is going to eventually run gba games?
21:00:20fabricelooks like this project is pretty active ? isn't it ?
21:00:36Buckwheatfabrice: has been active for a long time/
21:00:48fabricediscovered it tonight :)
21:01:06fabricetoday for you maybe ;)
21:05:18tmztBuckwheat: emulating arm on arm? it's possible that future processors will allow that to be supported on a wider range of ports
21:10:35Buckwheattmzt: ty for the info
21:12:51bertrikI can't really find out exactly how many register this rda5802 chip has: the OF seems to wrap registers after address 17, the OF init sequence sends 41 values, the datasheet says it has 58 register and my experiments suggest that it has 64 registers ...
21:18:10pamauryThe magic of datasheets vs reality
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21:19:10saratogaBuckwheat: we have no GBA emulator, if you want to port one, you could, but so far no one has been interested in doing so
21:19:30pamauryAt least, you know more the registers the OF accessed which is a lot better than the contrary
21:19:53Buckwheatsaratoga: i figured that but i cant program
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21:20:52bertrikthe OF reads only 3 registers (tuning info, signal strength info and id) and writes only 5 registers, except at init when it sends a set of 41 registers
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21:25:09bertrikoh, and the datasheet describes the function of only 8 registers
21:26:47CIA-85r26870 build result: All green
21:29:37pamauryI can't make this stupid usb controller work on clip+, I can't get past enumeration, I don't get a setup transfer :(
21:30:45Buckwheatpamaury: How are you sopposed to use a contorller an an mp3 player???
21:30:53bertrikMaybe you set the device address wrong then?
21:31:46bertrik(possibly stating the obvious ...)
21:31:51bieberJdGordon: Got it working
21:32:42Buckwheatpamaury: do you mean a phisical controller or on the computer
21:32:48Buckwheatsorry for misunderstanding
21:33:18pamaurybertrik: no I don't get to this point. The host sends a setup packet to me (the first one, I'm still at address 0) but... nothing happen ! The device should generate an interrupt but it does not.
21:33:22bertrikBuckwheat, it is the USB device controller inside the clip+ itself, the one that help make it appear as a MSC device to the computer
21:33:52BuckwheatOh ok
21:35:01bertrikpamaury, what interrupt are you not getting (USB or VIC), does the USB controller at least indicate an interrupt itself?
21:36:05pamauryI get an interrupt for bus reset and enumeration done but not transfer completion so it's not an interrupt but more a config problem with the usb controller I guess
21:37:37bertrikAre you getting any EP0 interrupt at all?
21:38:44pamauryno, even though I enabled all possible source of EP0 int
21:40:19Buckwheatsorry cat ran on my keyboard
21:40:33dfktbertrik, saratoga, funman -
21:41:24saratogaso basically no difference?
21:41:30dfktlooks like it
21:41:58dfktthe tiny improvement in thd/imd is probably negligible
21:42:44dfktthat's all done with default 0x16 volume, btw
21:43:42CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 35 seconds at the last flood
21:43:42*bertrik is confused
21:44:36dfktso the one terrible result from before was just wrong... seems the current version of rmaa has these hiccups sometimes. i had to measure twice now as well, cause one result was off the hook
21:45:36dfktthe HP_BIAS_150 looks a tiny bit nicer than the rest, though
21:46:01bertrikI would say the difference is neglible
21:46:54dfkti wonder what's with the harmonics in the noise level and dynamic range tests... i haven't seen that in other players or the stock firmware yet
21:47:20bertrikfrom a pure electronic point of view I'd expect that the effect of bias currents is more pronounced with low impedance headphones ... but your earlier results showed otherwise
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21:47:56BuckwheatResults inaccurate?
21:48:24bertrik100 Hz plus harmonics could be our kernel tick somehow
21:48:46dfktthat's weird, though
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21:52:24bertrikBuckwheat, no I'm not saying they're inaccurate, just counterintuitive to me
21:53:24bertrikdfkt, can you put these results on the rockbox wiki somewhere?
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21:54:03dfkti have no wiki account... please feel free to use any of my rmaa tests however you want, no restrictions :)
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22:23:54scorche|shdfkt: it snt hard to get one real quick ;)
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22:29:12CIA-85New commit by bertrik (r26871): The mystery FM chip in some Sansa Clip+ players has been identified as a RDA5802, so rename files and functions. Also fix several bugs.
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22:30:51CIA-85r26871 build result: All green
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22:45:25BuckwheatCIA-85: so the clip+ radio works now
22:45:33AlexPThat is a bot
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22:46:07Buckwheathow do you get rid of it
22:46:14Buckwheator what is it
22:46:30evilnick_BIt announces new changes to the code as they're checked in
22:46:38Buckwheatoh ok thats good
22:46:52Buckwheatim kindof new to the irc
22:46:58AlexPwe can tell :)
22:48:26Buckwheatbut the guidlines say no bots
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22:50:13Buckwheat number 7
22:50:30AlexPThat doesn't say no bots
22:50:40Buckwheatscripts/bots basically same
22:50:46AlexPNo they aren't
22:50:53Buckwheatnevermind than
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22:51:03Buckwheatill look at the bot as good news
22:51:16 Quit Buckwheat (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539])
22:51:24AlexPAnyway, even if they were, we are allowed to break our own rules, it is users that aren't :)
22:51:54bluebroth3rAlexP: he already left :o
22:52:16AlexPMaybe he was a script!
22:52:25bluebroth3rjust the moment I wanted to say something about the difference between bots and scripts. Oh well.
22:55:30bluebroth3rhe might also be interested in knowing about logbot :P
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22:59:39Unhelpfulsaratoga: i think it could be done *somewhat* cleanly by providing substitutes for read() to use in the image loaders, but i also consider embedded AA a misfeature
23:03:59CIA-85New commit by rob (r26872): Re-write the Telechips I2C delay routine in assembler to stop the compiler optimising it away. Tested with EABI and non-EABI compilers.
23:05:47CIA-85r26872 build result: All green
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23:10:43bertrikhm, -302 bytes for D2 just by optimising a delay loop? :P
23:12:08bluebroth3rwow, seems like users really start to spam the tracker now :(
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