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#rockbox log for 2010-06-26

00:03:44gevaertsActually, it should be possible to render a wps file to svg directly :)
00:05:19Zagoryay :)
00:05:34*gevaerts will ask bieber and JdGordon about that!
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00:19:10pixelmagevaerts: vectorising the included BMPs? ;)
00:19:39pixelmaand our bitmap fonts
00:20:21gevaertspixelma: I'd handle those by including them in the svg
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00:52:31ParadoxGif I get a Scandisk sansa fuze and add a MicroSD card will RockBox see it and make it apart of memory? Or will it take special handling to use?
00:56:07ParadoxGI'm just wondering because it's cheaper to buy a 4GB model and a separate 4GB microsd card than it is to just buy the 8GB model.
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01:04:19pixelmaParadoxG: Rockbox can handle a microSD fine - in the filebrowser it'll appear as a separate folder. Through the database you'll see all your music files sorted in albums, artists etc, from internal memory and microSD
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04:50:32deadllamaHey everybody. I'm having trouble compiling the arm-eabi toolchain on OS X. I can't get past the building of binutils, where compilation fails. Here's the error message:
04:50:32deadllama../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd/elf32-arm.c: In function ‘elf32_arm_print_private_bfd_data’:
04:50:33deadllama../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd/elf32-arm.c:10502: warning: format not a string literal and no format arguments
04:51:49deadllamaAny pointers? I've lurked here and the mailing list forever, and decided to dedicate my Sansa Clip (v2) to the cause, and that's what prompted me to build the cross-compilers
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07:18:23CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27135): Theme Editor: Began integrating device configuration panel with renderer
07:20:16CIA-6r27135 build result: All green
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07:51:09CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27136): Theme Editor: Added Show Viewports option to device configuration panel, implemented simple rendering of info tags from device configuration
07:52:40CIA-6r27136 build result: All green
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08:00:45espereguHi. I just plugged my sansa clip in with USB so it could charge. I saw it was blinking but thought that would be ok since I only needed to charge but now it does nothing anymore. any ideas?
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08:15:15espereguit seems I could reset it by holding the power button for 20 seconds.
08:16:04esperegubut when I put in a usb cable it starts blinking again (switching between the rockbox logo, the menu and an usb icon). What is the correct way to charge the device?
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08:42:32S_a_i_n_tesperegu: manuals always a good place to start...
08:50:09espereguS_a_i_n_t: k. thx a lot
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09:59:25CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27137): Theme Editor: Added an edit menu with a find/replace function (copied from an LGPL library)
10:01:09CIA-6r27137 build result: All green
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10:04:52JdGordongevaerts: rendering to svg should be possible.. probably not even all that hard
10:19:15JdGordonbieber_: I'm thinking about adding a callback to the parser to be called for each element when it is being built... does the editor have any use for that?
10:26:09Horschtihow do I use the skinupdater perl script?
10:27:59JdGordonthat works on a whole .zip theme
10:28:06HorschtiI tried putting the script and a zip containing all my .wps files in the same folder and running "perl ./ ./wps
10:28:55Horschtidiff: ./wps/Horschtblack.wps: No such file or directory
10:28:55Horschtimv: Aufruf von stat für „./wps/Horschtblack.wps“ nicht möglich: No such file or directory
10:29:12JdGordonyou nee to build the themeupdater.c file also
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10:40:16Horschtok, and now It seems to have worked. It puts out a diff which I then use to run over the unzipped .wps folder?
10:40:45JdGordonno, the diff is just so you get an overview of what changed
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10:41:29Horschtand where did it save the changes to?
10:42:09JdGordonI tihnk it makes a new zip folder in the out directory
10:42:13*JdGordon doesnt remember
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10:43:05pixelmawhich command line did you use?
10:44:53Horschtperl ./ ./wrk
10:45:35Horschtit seems to unpack the zip into the wrk directory, then it outputs a .diff file and removes the unpacked files
10:46:30Horschtam I using it wrong though?
10:46:40HorschtI have 1 zip file containing tons of .wps files
10:47:05Horschtonly wps files, nothing else
10:48:54pixelmathe wps files should be updated now if your command line worked (which I can't tell), the content of the zips didn't need changing. I ran it differently on Windows so can't tell for sure - but I also got only an updated wps, no complete theme zip
10:49:16pixelmadid you look at the resulting .wps files?
10:51:28Horschtwell, no. There weren't any resulting wps files
10:51:40Horschtall I got was themes.diff and theme-names.diff
10:51:53HorschtI now did the following, though:
10:52:44HorschtI manualy unpacked the, moved all the wps files to ./wrk/themes, moved the themes.diff into ./ and ran "patch -p0 < themes.diff
10:52:56HorschtNow I have resulting, patched wps files...
10:59:55Horschtthe wps files wont work, though. Reverting to 3.6
11:03:14JdGordonwhat target?
11:03:21Horschtipod video
11:03:25Horscht80Gb model
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11:04:31Horscht <- at least it looks proper
11:05:06Horscht(it's a modified version of AAFreak, suited to my needs)
11:06:13*S_a_i_n_t had an ass of a time with the perl script, and just ended up using skinupdater.exe
11:07:52S_a_i_n_tI can't see anything that stands out as wrong in that pastebin...
11:09:09pixelmaHorscht: and you didn't change the name of the .wps file (or if you did you changed its bitmap folder name accordingly)?
11:11:14Horschtyes, I changed both names
11:11:21Horschtalso took care about the case
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11:11:38Horschtit works in 3.6 but not in the current build with the "updated" wps
11:11:54Horschtwell, not in 3.6 with the updated one, either
11:12:30Horschtso, yes. There's a AAHorscht folder and an AAHorscht.wps file
11:12:39S_a_i_n_tthe only thing I see a "wrong" in the WPS pastebin is using a 'false' case for conditionals and leaving it blank... %?xx<blah|> and %?xx<blah> is exactly the same thing...
11:12:44*JdGordon changes his mind about his libskin_parser integration patch and tries a new tact
11:12:51S_a_i_n_tbut then, that's not "wrong", just unnecessary
11:14:42JdGordonbieber_: if you are pulling in other libraries you should add a credits dialog or text file
11:14:55S_a_i_n_tand the fact that artist and album are displayed conditional to hold I find a little "weird", but, the syntax seems correct.
11:14:56CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27138): text viewer: reworks screen access logics and some bugs fix. ...
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11:16:14Horschtwait, what? when I have the hold switch off, I see artist and title, if it's on I see genre and album
11:16:21pixelmapreloading "a" viewports and displaying them unconditionally is unnecessary too but should also work
11:16:22CIA-6r27138 build result: All green
11:16:48S_a_i_n_tHorscht: Exactly, I fond that odd personally...but, it's not wrong.
11:16:59S_a_i_n_tI just hadn't read that far into the code yet.
11:17:46S_a_i_n_tyeah, the "a" viewport needs no identifier...but, again, isn't "wrong"
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11:18:29Horschtshould I post the "old" wps format? the 3.6 one?
11:19:21S_a_i_n_tif you want to make *sure* it is correct, do a "make" in utils/skinupdater
11:19:39S_a_i_n_tthen run skinupdater on the individual WPS/SBS files
11:20:02S_a_i_n_t"./skinupdater.exe oldfile.wps newfile.wps"
11:20:26pixelmaHorscht: well it looks like he wanted to have access to all of this info (genre etc.) even if the space is quite limited with album art present and so looked for something where he could have somewhat control over what is displayed. Hold conditional is quite nice for that
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11:21:12S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Was that supposed to be at me?
11:21:26HorschtI really didn't do most of that wps file. All I did was change a few lines...
11:22:42S_a_i_n_tHorscht: As I said, if you want to make sure that the syntax is correct, see if skinupdater.exe had a differing output.
11:22:48pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: no, it was about Horscht's statement about what he sees with hold switch on or off, and with "he" I meant the original author
11:23:53Horschtyeah, the original author used the hold conditional to remove the album art and display pretty much everything about the file
11:24:10S_a_i_n_tHorscht: The perl script seemed to miss some themes on the themesite for...reasons unknown, but, from what I know and my experience the skinupdater.exe seemed to do the job even for the ones the perl script missed.
11:25:10Horschtgonna try that, as soon as I get my linux vm working again
11:26:10S_a_i_n_tIn saying that though...I don't see any particularly obvious reason that this WPS should fail.
11:28:02S_a_i_n_tthe %xl lines seem to suggest there are/were images removed...perhaps by yourself, or the original author modified someone elses existing code.
11:28:22S_a_i_n_tA, B, C, D, L
11:30:18HorschtI don't think I removed any images...
11:32:30S_a_i_n_tI'm cleaning up the code now, but you won;t see a functional change.
11:33:55S_a_i_n_tOne of the "c" viewports is entirely this intentional?
11:34:05S_a_i_n_tline 51
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11:35:17Horschti think so... It's a viewport that comes into action when there's no album art. It blanks the space where the previous album art used to be and displays what the original author dsiplayed using the hold conditional
11:35:30Horschti.e. tons of info
11:38:09S_a_i_n_t <−−Pretty sure I got all the "unnecessary" bits...
11:39:17S_a_i_n_tthere's no "a" viewport anymore...its always displayed, so...
11:39:39S_a_i_n_timage L is now E (consistency)
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11:40:18S_a_i_n_tand conditionals with a blank "false" now only have a "true".
11:42:49Horschtusing the skinupdater method worked...
11:42:55Horschtperl script didn't, can you diff the tow please?
11:43:28S_a_i_n_tKnowing what it errored on might help.
11:44:43Horschtsure, I think I can do that.
11:45:51Horschtuhm... my notepad tells me, that files match...
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11:46:48S_a_i_n_tcan you pastebin the "new" file?
11:48:57Horschtit's identical... Both files even have unix line endings...
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11:51:40Horschtand now, even the old file works.
11:52:28Horschtpreivously, All i got was the default screen with the volume meter thingies.
11:53:07S_a_i_n_thow line 92 works confuses me...
11:53:32S_a_i_n_tseems to be an error to me.
11:53:44Horschtthat; i don't know.
11:53:53Horschtit's from the original author.
11:53:55S_a_i_n_tyou see that too?
11:54:13S_a_i_n_tI don;t know what its supposed to do, so I don;t know how to clean it up.
11:54:18S_a_i_n_tit shouldn;t even parse.
11:54:30Horschtall I see, is a bunch of "nonsense" symbols, realy. I am impressed by your skills of "seeing something weird there"
11:54:55S_a_i_n_theheh...I look at WPS code daily almost.
11:55:18S_a_i_n_tcould I be a pain and get you to pastebin the original?
11:55:27S_a_i_n_tthen I'll get this fixed up properly for you.
11:55:58Horschtnah, it works now. I am happy :)
11:56:14HorschtI could still pastebin the orignal, if you want
11:56:28S_a_i_n_tif you're happy...I'm happy.
11:56:42S_a_i_n_tI still don't see how that works though.
11:57:05Horscht this is the original wps from the original author
11:57:09S_a_i_n_twait...can you try it on a file/album *without* AA?
11:57:29S_a_i_n_tthis conditional I'm seeing should just display garbage for year whn no AA is present
11:59:13S_a_i_n_tHorscht: fixed:
12:00:34Horschtit doesn't show year at all if there's no AA
12:01:29S_a_i_n_tit *should*
12:01:31Horschthmm... I think i doesn't show year, ever
12:01:38S_a_i_n_t <−− *actually* fixed :)
12:01:42S_a_i_n_t(I made a booboo)
12:02:36S_a_i_n_tperhaps "year" isn;t present in your metadata.
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12:04:19Horschtah, right.. it can't show year on an mp3 that doesn't have it
12:04:45S_a_i_n_tIn the pastebin I posted last, line 94 (the last code segment) basically says: "If you find a tag for "year" in the current track, display it"
12:05:17Horschtah, yes. It does now
12:05:30pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: what do you think is wrong in line 92, looks good to me
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12:05:31Horschtallthough it needs a space before the bracket
12:05:49S_a_i_n_tit does?
12:06:05S_a_i_n_tah, right to seperate it from the rest.
12:07:13Horschtwhere would I put it? "%?iy< %(%iy%)" <- like so?
12:07:20CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r27139): e200v1/c200v1: Implement limited samplerate switching. Rates 24kHz and below are being a bear as far as minor crackling at higher amplitude−− leave ...
12:08:37S_a_i_n_tline 92 going by (your) last pastebin.
12:09:10pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: artist tag present<show artist info|is thera a directory name 2 levels above?<show directory name 2 levels above|show nothing>>year info present< (show year info)|show nothing>
12:09:18CIA-6r27139 build result: 284 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed)
12:09:27Horschtno, I meant the space. I found out already, that the line I just posted works. It put's a space between artist and the year
12:09:48S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Hmmm, it loaded incorrectly on my browser the first time I looked at it it seems. :/
12:10:29S_a_i_n_tI was seeing "%?iy< % (% iy% )|>" which couldn't possibly have worked.
12:10:56S_a_i_n_tAnd I have seen the various syntax updaters insert "%"s willy-nilly.
12:11:25S_a_i_n_tlooks fine to me now though, (apart from the empty "false" condition) :/
12:11:34S_a_i_n_tgah! -bold
12:12:53Horschtwell, I am not an expert, but I think empty false conditions make sense
12:13:12Horscht"if condition is true, do stuff, else do blank (nothing)
12:13:34S_a_i_n_tHorscht: That's the way it works *without* the blank condition.
12:13:44S_a_i_n_tthe blank conditiona is irrelevant.
12:14:04Horschtyeah, I know it's irrelevant, but it makes sense to include it
12:14:08S_a_i_n_tif true, do it, if not....don't.
12:14:51S_a_i_n_tit seems to make sense, it it looks consistent, but..isn't necessary.
12:15:06pixelmamight make it easier to understand for the casual reader but nothing more
12:15:52S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure how people got into the habbit of doing that with conditionals, many people do, and I'm pretty sure the wiki and manual explain it quite clearly.
12:16:11Horschtwps isn't easy to understand to the casual reader anyways, though
12:16:28S_a_i_n_tIt grows on you, trust me. :D
12:16:38S_a_i_n_tsoon you'll be dreaming WPS code :P
12:16:45Horschtit's just too.... abstract.
12:17:19CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r27140): Fix red. Thought I had REC_SAMPR_DEFAULT covered if not otherwise specified as different than 44.
12:17:24S_a_i_n_tThere are plent of languages that make a lot less sense.
12:17:40Horschtno, I really wont, as I basicaly got my theme working (thanks to your help). Last time I looked at wps code was when I modified the original wps in the first place
12:17:40S_a_i_n_tAt least this one is easily human readable.
12:18:03Horschtyou mean like piet?
12:18:09Horschtor whitespace?
12:19:06S_a_i_n_tperl is s good example of "what not to do with a coding language", WPS code is a walk in the park comapred to perl :P
12:19:30S_a_i_n_tbut, that's sliding steadily off-topic.
12:19:38Horschtperl is more of a script language, isn't it?
12:19:43CIA-6r27140 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed)
12:19:49Horschtright, OT it is
12:22:48pixelmajhMikeS: different samplerates than 22.05kHz are now possible on e200/c200?
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12:24:22jhMikeSpixelma: yes
12:24:54pixelmaI thought there was a hardware limitation
12:25:12pixelmaat least in the "upper" end
12:25:38jhMikeSstill, there is a limitation to 24kHz (1/2 of 48 kHz). Dividers can't be set to get 64kHz so 32kHz can be don't for recording.
12:27:05jhMikeSof course, finding a magic register somewhere could change that, I just don't know where it would be atm, if it even exists.
12:27:35pixelmaaha, sounds nice still :)
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12:37:43CIA-6New commit by jethead71 (r27141): Should clear up rest of red. Add a required #define in the config for c200. Fix up some preprocessing directives. Hope it's all taken care of now.
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13:36:56bertrikLuca_S, did your battery bench work?
13:37:27bertrikfunman, I think I'll have another look at the wakeup problem this weekend
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13:42:36Luca_Sbertrik: first time it crashed at 41%, I restarted it and it's still running (but it's gonna end shortly, battery it's at <10%)
13:42:48bertrikok :)
13:42:59Luca_SI don't have a SVN bench though, if it's needed you'll have to wait more :)
13:43:12bertrikWhat AMSv2 player are you battery benching?
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13:50:21pixelmajhMikeS: which sample rates are possible now? (in case that needs updating in the manual...)
13:51:16S_a_i_n_tHmm, I have a WPS metadata fallback problem. I figured I would display %d(2) if the artist tag isn't present, and %d(1) if the album tag isn't present...but, this only really works if the media is organised in a sane way ie. Music/Artist/Album/Trackname.file
13:51:23S_a_i_n_tAnyone have a better suggestion?
13:51:48S_a_i_n_tIts safe to assume that %d(1) will be present, but I may need yet *another* fallback for %d(2) :/
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13:57:49S_a_i_n_tOk, lets ignore that and I'll propose the question in a different way, ignore anything I said about %d(1)/(2): "If there is no metadata available for "Album" and, or "Artist" then, what would you rather see in their place? (assuming there is no metadata available at all)"
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14:26:35HorschtS_a_i_n_t, i'd say filename
14:27:44CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27143): fix red.
14:28:00pixelmaI'd use filename as fallback if the title tag is not present
14:28:56Horschtmaybe full path, then?
14:28:59pixelmaI use d(1) for album fallback and d(2) for artist
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14:29:37Horschtwell, that'll work for most people (including me), but not for everyone
14:29:39pixelmaworks with my directory structure - if d(2) is not present, I just let it show ".."
14:29:40CIA-6r27143 build result: All green
14:30:09pixelmaI'm aware but I think you can not catch everything
14:30:16Horschtassuming d(2) is the parents parentdirectory
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15:23:37amrhello, I'm trying to build code for sansa target, but I get the following error
15:23:40amr no memory region specified for loadable section `.ARM.extab'
15:24:50amrmake: *** [../build/rockbox.elf] Error 1
15:24:55amrany idea ?
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15:26:14JeromNo, but have you followed the build instructions ?
15:28:27JeromSorry can't really help you, never had a proble
15:29:40kugelamr: that shouldn't happen if you used
15:29:46amrI'm building on Ubuntu, and used to update the new gcc toolchain for arm-eabi
15:30:10amrit is now updated
15:30:31amrand I get no warnings before build
15:32:20bertrikamr, make running make clean in the build directory helps
15:32:20JeromIf that doesn't work try rebuild your toolchain
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15:33:40AndChat-I know that error, it happens if gcc is built without the patches we apply
15:33:40amrI tried make clean already
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15:34:54Jeromsudo find /usr/local -name arm-elf-eabi\* -exec rm -rf {} \;
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15:35:24Jeromsudo rm -rf /usr/local/arm-elf*
15:35:31JeromThen try to rebuild the toolchain
15:37:04dfktcan anyone please help me to find out the sdcfg value for tcctool, for a player that's bricked? i opened the player up, i know its processor, ram, can get into recovery mode, etc - just sdcfg is missing (and i have no idea how to actually start to look for it)
15:37:45amrok I'll try and tell you the result after rebuild
15:38:05Jerombtw what is your $PATH ?
15:38:41amrboth /usr/local/arm-elf/bin and /usr/local/bin
15:41:23JeromWell you don't need /usr/local/arm-elf/bin anymore I think
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15:43:27amrok, I cleared and rebuilding the toolcahbin now
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15:53:05S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Horscht: Thanks, I have filename (without extension) as the fallback for Title, that seemed an obvious choice.
15:53:21S_a_i_n_tJust "Album" and "Artist" are bugging me...
15:53:49S_a_i_n_tthough, I am aware I can't accomodate for users with wacky file structures...I'd like to at least try.
15:54:00Horschtwell, I'd say if it's missing the artist tag, it is most probably lacking title, too
15:54:06S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I have what you suggested currently.
15:54:48S_a_i_n_tHorscht: I've added fallbacks for all...I'm just not wanting to leave any fields blank if no metadata is present
15:54:55S_a_i_n_t(and yes, that does happen)
15:55:04S_a_i_n_twell, not if you're sane :P
15:55:24Horschtmy music is carefully catalouged
15:55:36dfkthere's all the info i collected for tcctool, if it's any help:
15:56:12HorschtMusic/<letter>/<artist>/<year> - <album>/<track> - <title>
15:57:25S_a_i_n_tthe problem is with what I have now it'll display filename, .rockbox, musicdirectory (on seperate lines of course) if a user just had ".rockbox/Music/<big-mess-of-mp3s-all-kludged-into-one>" and there's not really any acceptable fallback for that :/
15:57:43S_a_i_n_tI know if they chose to do so its their own stupid fault, but it still bothers me.
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16:00:00S_a_i_n_tHorscht: by the way, that is a really anal directory structure :P
16:00:32HorschtI am getting more anal about it, almost every album has a folder.jpg album art in it :p
16:00:34S_a_i_n_tnot bad, just..."descriptive" ;)
16:01:23S_a_i_n_tall mine have AA, but I just use "Music/Artist/Album/trackname.ext"
16:01:59HorschtI find it a lot better If I group them by letter too
16:02:28Horschtjust less cluttered
16:02:33S_a_i_n_tbeing really over-the-top is having individual AA for each track...and, some people do believe me.
16:02:47HorschtI have it on very few CDs
16:03:28S_a_i_n_tIt always seemed odd to me to do so, as I never saw how an album could have different AA per-track.
16:03:31HorschtI bought a CD from an independent group called "pornophonigue", they have a cover for every song
16:03:55JeromI know this...
16:03:55S_a_i_n_tbut, surely the album has just one cover? ;)
16:03:58Horschtlike, one of thos film-reel cases with 8 circular inlays
16:04:10Horschtno, I don't think the album itself has a cover
16:04:20HorschtIt uses the cover of "sad robot"
16:04:28S_a_i_n_tcuriouser and curiouser...
16:04:55JeromWhy not put every song in a different folder ?
16:05:05Jeromseems like a hack but it will do the trick
16:05:44Horschtwhat hack?
16:05:48Horschti mean, why?
16:06:00Horschtyou can have individual covers for songs
16:06:04S_a_i_n_tAnyway, thanks for the help, I think I'll just leave it how I have it won't lok weird on my WPS (or anyone who happens to disinclude metadata, but happens to organise their music in a sane folder structure) :P
16:06:13Horschtjust name the image <filename>.jpg
16:06:36JeromDidn't know that would work...
16:06:40pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: you could try and test for genre or comment tag if there is no d(2) but it's not very likely these will exist in such a case
16:06:56Jerombtw is there a tool that will search every folder and fetch the cover from ?
16:07:33S_a_i_n_tpixelma: The point is these are fallbacks for "no metadata present", I thought of doing so, then realised it wouldn;t work.
16:07:53S_a_i_n_tJerom: Reading the manual is an excellent start.
16:08:19S_a_i_n_tNot only does it explain naming conventions for AA, but I'm pretty sure it has tools to recover AA linked in it.
16:09:03S_a_i_n_tit definitely explains that you can have individual cover art with the "trackname.jpg" naming convention ;)
16:10:37pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: before statements like these I'd look things up... the former is true. I have doubts about the tools directly linked (just indirectly by pointing to the wiki page I think)
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16:13:13S_a_i_n_tIt points to the wiki, and specifically mentions "programs that will help you automate the process of putting album art on your player", I was pretty damn close...
16:13:27JeromOk ok my bad :p
16:13:56Horschti think most programs use amazon
16:17:15JeromI was thinking of because it has a nice API for doing this
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16:23:59amrI've cleared /usr/local/arm-elf/ and rebuilt tool chain , but the error still exists
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16:25:25JeromDid you also clean arm-elf-eabi ?
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16:32:35amrno, may removing /usr/local/arm-elf-eabi before rebuilding , may that solve the issue ?
16:33:32gevaertsit might, yes
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16:38:01AlexPHorscht: Apart from that typo, the English in the lrcviewer plugin manual entry is horrible
16:38:04*AlexP fixes
16:38:27Horschti not did done that!
16:39:28teruI'm very sorry.
16:40:14pixelmait's still nice to have the info there so someone without the detailed knowledge can fix
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16:41:38kugelpixelma: thanks for fixing the plasma manual part, btw
16:41:58AlexPteru: It isn't your fault - I can fix the language, it is nice to have the info there at all :)
16:42:21pixelmakugel: no problem
16:42:36AlexPteru: A spellchecker would help though :)
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17:02:35AlexPteru: Rockbox uses UK, not US English - so it should be e.g. colour not color and centre not center in the lrcviewer. I'll change it :)
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17:09:37funmanamr: ARM.extab is a section for C++ exceptions
17:09:58funmanthe patch that applies to gcc should disable exceptions support in the built libgcc
17:11:19funmanrun make V=1 to see the last gcc command line which fails, copy it to the terminal and add -v before running it, then paste the output on
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17:18:28S_a_i_n_tAnyone know of a .kbd file is an "accepted" part of a theme (ie. by the themesite)?
17:18:44S_a_i_n_talso, defining said .kbd file in the theme .cfg?
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17:19:51u42poh what the hell, i'll put rockbox on my sansa clip+ now
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17:22:22bertrikfunman, you said that using the alarm wakeup function triggered the OF to refresh the uSD database, right? I wonder how that works, does the OF perhaps put some magic value in the alarm RAM too? I can do a quick test in the debug menu
17:22:58bertrikAlso I saw that we can also detect the wakeup cause by checking a bit in the codec interrupt status register.
17:23:15funmanbertrik: it could be, i couldn't code which wrote to this reg in the OF though
17:23:20bertrik(saw in the datasheet I mean, have not seen it working in reality yet)
17:23:38funmani think this bit is set only if you put the device to hibernation, not if you power it off
17:23:50funman(just supposing)
17:24:22bertrikah, so the OF can detect when some kind of unexpected reset happens
17:24:43bertrikI'll have a closer look into this tomorrow
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17:25:36u42pshould i update to the latest firmware first?
17:26:07u42p links to "Sansa Clip+ Firmware Update 01.02.09" but there also is a "Sansa Clip+ Firmware Update 01.02.15" in that form
17:26:18funmanany will work
17:26:35CIA-6New commit by alex (r27144): Correct spelling in the lrcviewer plugin. UK English please!
17:26:39CIA-6New commit by alex (r27145): Give the lrcplayer manual entry a good seeing to.
17:28:26bertrikfunman, there is a set of other interesting stuff that this as3543 can do too (I guess you noticed this already), like measuring the charge current
17:28:33CIA-6r27144 build result: All green
17:30:19CIA-6r27145 build result: All green
17:31:34u42pnice, i am going to use the gui tool
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17:36:24amrfunman: here is the last command
17:36:32amrand this is the result
17:36:33amrbash: LD: command not found
17:37:07funman'LD rockbox.elf' is not a command, just some debug output, the command starts at the line just after
17:39:24amrsorry, here is the result:
17:40:55amrand this is the full result:
17:41:03u42p[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested Clip+v1 versions are : 01.02.09, 01.02.13, 01.02.15
17:41:03u42pCould not load /home/hannes/ramdisk/
17:41:16u42pi flashed 01.02.15 on the device just moments ago
17:42:19u42psame error if i try to load 01.02.09
17:42:43u42pi am using the latest version of the tool. 1.2.7
17:42:49funmanu42p: unzip it first
17:42:52u42prun as su (it said it needed direct access)
17:43:06u42pthen i have two files, which one is the firmware?
17:43:17funmanthe .bin, the other one is an advertisment mp3
17:43:24u42pah, workes
17:43:46u42pmessage in the "prerequisites" dialog about that would be nice
17:44:45u42pwhere do i find the device specific manual again?
17:44:49funmanamr: hm it's not -v, i don't remeber the correct option
17:44:55u42poh nevermind, yes
17:44:59u42psorry, that question was dumb
17:45:59funmanaah no that's good, -v shows the linker (collect2)
17:47:50funmanamr: grep -r '\.ARM\.extab' ~/Documents/rb/build show which file is using this section ?
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17:51:20u42pdear god, it's running doom
17:51:59S_a_i_n_tdon;t thank god, thank funman ;)
17:52:42*dfkt compiles a version of rockbox without audio/radio/video support, only doom
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17:54:55u42pfastforwarding is much better now
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17:57:26u42pis there a theme with rio karma like peak(?) display over the time of the current track? like if you loaded a song in audacity. rio karma showed that in the progress bar of the playback
17:58:23dfktu42p -
17:59:39amrgrep result: pattern not found
17:59:44u42pwould something like that even be possible with just a theme?
18:01:07u42pcuesheet support is nice :)
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18:08:37u42pis it normal that images are displayed with some kind of "animated dithering noise?
18:09:17S_a_i_n_twith a ...what?
18:10:00u42phard to describe.the display only has black background and the colours orange and cyan. if i view an image it is not still/frozen but there are pixels flickering around
18:10:02u42psame in doom
18:10:36S_a_i_n_tthat doesn't sound right, no.
18:11:05u42pwow, speex support
18:11:12*u42p is a kid on christmas
18:11:31S_a_i_n_twait, it's a clip right? there's only two colours the screen can produce, yellow and blue.
18:11:38Luca_Su42p: I suppose that's the effect of greylib on clip+
18:12:35S_a_i_n_tall the colours in between (or shades rather) are produced by rapidly flickering the pixels on and off IIUC
18:12:39Luca_Sthis library is used to produce shades of gray on lcd displays by quickly turning pixel on and off, but it doesn't work well on oled displays which don't have the same display mechanics
18:12:58dfktthe refresh rate of the clip is very low to begin with
18:13:12u42pah ok. yes, that will be it
18:13:15Luca_Snow, I don't know if it's normal on Clip+ or if could/should just be disabled
18:13:26u42pi was just surprise that it was not static but "animated" :)
18:16:58Luca_SBattery Bench on FuzeV2, r27104 + Audio on PLLB:
18:17:26u42pif i open a cuesheet i get the list of titles. if i "click" on them, a battery-like icon appears in the top bar. that icon also appears in normal playback mode if i switch tracks, so i guess it means disk access. should i be able to launch a track from the cuesheet list?
18:17:27Luca_Soh gosh, pastebin truncated it?
18:18:00funmanamr: you are Amr Medhat on flyspray ?
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18:20:15Luca_Sfunman: do you know any pastebin sites which won't truncate longer pastes?
18:20:31Luca_S(this is 84kb)
18:20:51S_a_i_n_tLuca_S: You could just upload the file to somewhere like
18:21:03S_a_i_n_t(little to no advertising)
18:21:06funmanLuca_S: what's important is just a comparison without audio on PLLB, on the same player
18:21:31Luca_Sthank you - funman: recharging now, will probably be ready on monday :)
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18:22:23Luca_SBattery Bench on FuzeV2, r27104 + Audio on PLLB:
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18:35:33pixelmadomonoky: the theme site also checks cfg files for settings they shouldn't contain and if they do rejects them. Could "foreground" (or however the setting is actually called) be something to reject themes on greyscale targets?
18:36:55pixelmajust wondering because there is another report of this problem (colour themes with technically working WPSs which are unreadable on greyscale because they use globally set white foreground on a dark backdrop)
18:37:01domonokypixelma: not without changes.. currently it just has a list of allowed settings for all targets...
18:37:20domonokyso if you volunteer to modify it, go for it :-)
18:37:47pixelmaI know nothing about php or whatever is needed for the theme site internals
18:38:49*domonoky also didnt know much about that, when he started to modify the theme site. so thats no excuse :-)
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19:42:21jhMikeSpixelma: the rates for now are play: 48, 44.1, 32; rec: 24, 22.05, 16 (now I'm off for a road trip today)
19:49:48amrfunman: yes i am
19:57:35S_a_i_n_tIs there a possibility of FS #11361 being committed?
19:58:03S_a_i_n_t(adds the string "Disc" to Engligh.lang)
19:58:14AlexPThat sounds wrong! :)
19:59:11AlexPEnglish.lang would be more suitable :)
19:59:28AlexPor even more without the capital
19:59:29*S_a_i_n_t sees it now...
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20:14:59elweHello - on my clip+ i got an 1pixel displaced display. The last right pixel row appears at the first left row. Does anyone know how to correct this?
20:17:02dfktin rockbox, or in the stock sansa firmware as well?
20:17:23elweonly on rockbox
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20:28:41pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I am a bit opposed to including strings just for themes, where will it stop? Language strings always add to binsize and voice file size, and make the .lang files even less readable... in this case it would be somewhat acceptable if it would also be used in the "ID3" viewer (and strings needed by the default theme are also an exception IMO)
20:29:37Zagorgevaerts: ping?
20:29:42S_a_i_n_tyeah, I must admit it was an afterthought, but I also thought it could be used in playlistviewer as wll.
20:29:48S_a_i_n_tpixelma: ^^
20:30:08bertrikelwe, sounds like some kind of bug in the rockbox driver then, haven't heard from this problem before though
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20:31:59elwei just try to make a screendump, lats see how it loooks there. This is my first rockbox install, so i havent testet older versions( using r27125-100624)
20:33:01bertrikI expect the screen dump to be OK, but we'll see :)
20:34:27elweyes, the screendump is ok. it happens at every theme. i will try an older version of rockbox...
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20:42:32gevaertsZagor: pong
20:42:59Zagorgevaerts: I need your CSS skills. the new page needs wrapping.
20:43:36*gevaerts is amazed at Zagor's confidence!
20:44:21Zagoryou did some magic once before :)
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20:46:39gevaertsMy CSS skills basically amount to changing things until my browser gives up and displays things the way I want!
20:46:50gevaertsWhat needs wrapping? The manufacturer list?
20:47:53bluebrotherwe get a new website?
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20:54:43Zagorgevaerts: yes
20:54:57Zagorbluebrother: maybe.
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20:57:29bluebrotheroh, that is still in discussion? I considered it abandoned.
20:57:41bluebrotherbtw, I still don't like this supported players presentation ;-)
20:58:14bieber_bluebrother: Isn't LGPL code okay to link against code under any other license?
20:58:20bluebrotherthe manufacturers list looks weird if the display is not wide enough
20:58:47bluebrotherbieber_: yes, but AFAIU it's not completely trivial for v2 vs v3 of those licenses.
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20:59:45bluebrotheri.e. LGPLv3 requires GPLv3. Still AFAIU :)
21:00:23bieberOdd, according to their matrix, you can link GPLv2 or later code with LGPLv3, but not just GPLv2 code
21:00:47*bluebrother goes checking the matrix again
21:00:47gevaertsYou *can*, but it technically becomes GPL3 code then
21:01:02bieberCould I just make the theme editor GPLv3 or later, and dual-license the skin_parser library as GPLv2 or later?
21:01:24bluebrothergevaerts: well, so does this create a problem for us or not?
21:01:33pixelmais the code the theme site uses in an extra "themes" SVN module or so?
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21:03:17bluebrotheras far as I read the matrix mixing GPLv2+ with LGPLv3 is "OK if you upgrade and convert to GPLv3", so we would need to make the theme editor GPLv3. And as that includes the parsing stuff from libs/ that would also need to get GPLv3. Which might then have consequences for Rockbox itself ...
21:03:39bluebrotherpixelma: svn://
21:04:01bluebrotherappend /trunk to taht
21:04:41bieberWe can always dual-license the parsing library, though
21:04:53bieberJust use it in Rockbox as GPLv2 and in the theme editor as v3
21:05:03bluebrotherthere aren't any branches or tags used yet, so getting all won't hurt. Except that you get an additional folder :)
21:06:25bluebrotherbieber: technically I guess so. But having the theme editor GPLv3 would also mean that we can't reuse code from it, for example for Rockbox Utility.
21:06:46bluebrotheralso, dual-licensing parts means we need to handle those licenses. Something I'd prefer to avoid.
21:07:00bluebrother(I found that licensing stuff for beastpatcher already pretty annoying)
21:07:32bieberIf I read correctly, though, we could just straight-up link LGPLv2 code with GPLv2 or later code without consequences
21:07:49bluebrotherso while I wouldn't want to loose the affected functionality I'm not sure if the added (possible) license issues are worth it.
21:08:03bluebrotheryes, LGPLv2 is fine. We use that in Rockbox Utility already.
21:08:08bieberOh, wait, I was looking at the wrong box
21:08:11bluebrotherthe problem comes up with v3 :o
21:08:55bieberWell, I'll excise it for now, and I'll ask the author if perhaps he could give it to us under v2.1
21:09:12bieberHe just responded to my thank-you note, so at least I know he's reachable
21:09:29bluebrotherthat would be a nice option.
21:10:14bieberSo would the prudent thing to do just be to revert my last commit and go from there until we hear from him?
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21:11:52bluebrotherit's already in the history, so I don't think it's much of a problem if we wait for an answer of the author.
21:12:29bluebrotherof course given that he does answer. IMO the most important thing is to be aware of the situation and find a solution.
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21:13:26bieberHmm, I never realized that linking different versions of GPL and LGPL could cause problems
21:13:36bieberI guess the issue must be on the GPL side
21:14:00bluebrotherbtw, when importing code it's always a good idea to add a README.ROCKBOX which states where the code comes from (and which version it is). Can be helpful when trying to updated to a newer version or in case changes made to it would make sense to get sent back the the original author
21:14:42bluebrotherI'm not happy about that v2 vs v3 issue either. However, the creators of the GPL chose to do so :/
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21:16:09bieberI'm guessing upgrading all of Rockbox to v3 isn't really an option, since everyone retains their own copyright?
21:17:21AlexPAlso, not desired by some people
21:17:39AlexPEven if it were feasible to contact all copyright holders
21:18:05bluebrotheruntil two years ago we didn't explicitly state the "or later" part in the license. AFAIR the consensus was to go v2+ to allow other project to use our code even if they are v3, and not to go v3 to not exclude projects that aren't v3.
21:18:49bluebrotherthe license issue was discussion on DevConEuro2008. I guess there should be something about it on that wiki page
21:19:15bieberI see
21:20:14bluebrother"V3 is not ruled out, but we'll take it one step at a time."
21:20:31AlexPAlso, changing the licence for this seems quite drastic :)
21:20:57bluebrotherAlexP: indeed :)
21:20:59bieberOf course not just for this, I was just musing about the project in general :)
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21:47:22CIA-6New commit by gevaerts (r27146): Move two remaining lines to the Text layer
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21:49:13CIA-6r27146 build result: All green
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22:43:41u42pare the images on from an actual unit or from an emulator?
22:46:31pixelmamost screenshots are made with Rockbox's screenshot function either with the unit or from a Rockbox Clip sim (more likely because it's quicker to access them)
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22:50:52AlexPAny I have made are from the sim
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22:52:23u42pit's still my earlier issue which might just be "greylib"
22:52:31u42pi cant find my camera
22:55:32pixelmawhich issue? It's known that the greylib doesn't work too well on the Clips' display
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23:04:01u42pthe noise/dithering pixel flickering
23:06:53u42p (terrible quality, 8mb)
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23:34:18shriphanihello everyone, I began using rockbox after a period of about 1 year on my ipod 5.5g 80 gb. One of the things I noticed about it is that my HD keeps spinning even when I am scrolling through the db. Is this normal? Thank you.
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23:38:00shriphanialso I have never observed the HD spinning down. Even when my dynamic playlist is 1 song long, it seems to be spinning. Shouldn't it spin down after buffering ?
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23:41:09AlexPAnd it does on every player I own (which doesn't include an ipod, but there should be no difference)
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23:41:24AlexPWhat version of Rockbox?
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23:42:49shriphanithe stable build that the utility wanted to install. 3.6 I think.
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23:43:48shriphanireally sorry, my ethernet cable isn't stable enough.
23:43:55AlexPFor the db thing, you probably want to turn load to RAM on
23:44:02shriphaniAlexP: I installed 3.6 (the stable build).
23:45:18shriphaniAlexP: also, I have stuff from iTunes. I don't always buy entire albums. How do you perform such additions w/o using itunes? Does the db detect changes in the filesystem automatically ?
23:45:30AlexPIf you turn on auto update, yes
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23:45:47AlexPAlso, what do you have "disk spindown" set to?
23:46:33shriphaniit was plugged in all this while and it lost charge...
23:46:36shriphanione sec.
23:47:15AlexP3.6 doesn't do charging properly, a current build does
23:47:25AlexPOn ipod that is
23:48:16shriphaniand yeah I have spindown set to 5s.
23:48:24shriphanibut i can feel it spinning all the time.
23:48:46AlexPTry setting dircache to on and database load to ram on
23:49:16AlexPdircache is probably in the menus as Directory Cache, I forget
23:49:36shriphaniyeah i found that
23:49:55shriphaniso i should install the latest nightly build ?
23:50:03AlexPLatest current build
23:50:16Horschtlrcplayer owns! Now all I need to do is to be able to access it quickly from the wps
23:51:12shriphanihmm for some reason it won't show up on my machine.
23:51:16shriphanilow battery I guess.
23:51:31shriphaniit says Scanning disk ...
23:51:46AlexPThat;s dircache, it'll only do it once
23:52:20shriphaniand of course it would refuse to mount itself while scanning the disk.
23:52:33AlexPIt hasn't got to Rockbox yet, so yeah
23:52:44AlexPWell, it hasn't finished loading
23:55:12CIA-6New commit by ranma (r27147): Swap ccache and
23:55:42AlexPand what dammit!
23:56:02ranmaWell, that was supposed to have more text in the commit message ^^;
23:56:20AlexPI guessed that :)
23:56:27ranmafunman: ccache doesn't work if it precedes
23:57:10CIA-6r27147 build result: All green
23:57:17ranma"Swap ccache and so it works again"
23:57:35ranmaOr rather "so ccache works again"

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