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#rockbox log for 2010-06-27

00:00:03kisakrockbox locked up on my Fuzev2 while deleting a massive amount of files
00:00:22AlexPshriphani: About 30 seconds for me with lots of files
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00:00:42shriphanihmm quite a while now....
00:01:53AlexPDo you have thousands of small files?
00:02:00kisakit was about 1450 files in
00:02:03kisakvia menu
00:02:26shriphaniabout 3000 songs...
00:02:30AlexPso no :)
00:02:46shriphaniso what fresh hell is this ?
00:02:49AlexPIt is probably worth checking the filesystem - linux or windows?
00:02:57shriphanii'm on a mac...
00:03:01AlexPheh :)
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00:03:05shriphaniand the ipod is a fat32 formatted..
00:03:08AlexPI have absolutely no idea then
00:03:11amri found a similar discussion on the same issue of `.ARM.extab' here
00:03:20AlexPIs it still fsck.vfat on a mac?
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00:04:15tmztAlexP: you can try that, but you might have to use disk utility
00:04:44AlexPtmzt: I just have no idea how macs work :)
00:04:46shriphaniso wait if this thing won't let me get to rockbox, how do I get to my songs or even get it to mount ?
00:04:56AlexPshriphani: Reset it
00:05:11AlexPinto disk mode, then check the filesystem
00:05:33AlexPIIRC, menu+select to reset, then when it reboots menu+play to get disk mode
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00:06:34shriphanii got to the ipod firmware for some reason...
00:06:48shriphanii guess i didn't press select hard enough..
00:06:53AlexPamr: The person there (Thomas Martitz)is kugel
00:07:24AlexPshriphani: Or you were still holding menu or had hold on as it booted - this loads the OF (Rockbox dual-boots)
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00:07:51shriphanii moved my thumb from select to play as it rebooted...
00:07:58shriphanimust have been a bit delayed there.
00:08:08AlexPYou might need to release also, I don't know - no ipod here :)
00:08:19AlexPEither way, use the apple OF for disk access
00:08:32shriphanik it is mounted now.
00:09:17shriphanishould i install the latest current build first or should i check the fs first ?
00:09:24AlexPI'd check the fs
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00:10:51shriphaniand also my itunes says it cannot read the ipod and requests me to restore. this is common with the latest itunes or is it a unique situation ?
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00:15:14amroh i see, but he's not here now
00:15:21shriphaniah I think I found the culprit. I once stopped a copy operation and it seems to have created a lot of 0 kb dirs which I can't delete.
00:15:55AlexPThe itunes complaining thing could well be (probably is) related
00:16:21shriphanioh it complained as soon as I changed the ipod fs from hfs to fat32.
00:16:33AlexPHow did you do that?
00:17:00AlexPWith Windows itunes or with a new mbr?
00:17:07shriphanifrom here:
00:17:31AlexPBut that immediately caused itunes to start wanting to restore?
00:17:44AlexPIt probably didn't work properly then
00:17:55AlexPMac itunes should be fine with a fat32 ipod
00:18:01shriphanii know...
00:18:24shriphaniso I should avoid the new method on that page and go with the old method for the 80gb 5.5g ipods ?
00:18:42AlexPI don't know tbh
00:18:50AlexPI don't have an ipod and have never done it
00:19:35shriphanii think i should use win itunes here.
00:19:57TorneThat's the best approach
00:20:02Torneunless you really have no way to do it
00:20:16Torneif you can borrow a windows compuiter for a minute to do it, its much easier and more reliable :)
00:20:20AlexPyeah, if you have access Windows do that
00:20:24AlexPMuch better :)
00:20:27shriphaninah i live with three die-hard M$ fans. shouldn't be a problem.
00:20:40Torneyeah, just do that then
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00:34:21shriphanik installing rockbox now....
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00:35:22shriphaniAlexP: did you say I should use the current build ?
00:35:42saratogaif you want charging in rockbox i recommend it
00:38:14shriphaniok i got fonts and themes too. Now to wait as 20gb gets copied...
00:38:28*Torne needs to get around to clearing out his in-progress stuff so he can try and get apple charger detection :)
00:39:01saratogahow does apple detect a charger anyway?
00:40:47Torneon the ipod video at least, there is a muxed ADC channel (mux controled by gpio) which is attached to D+ and D-
00:40:55Torneit detects pullup/downs attached to them
00:41:11Torneit may also have a way of detecting the D pins being shorted (the new usb charging spec)
00:41:31Tornethe ipod video diagnostic image has the method of accessing them, i've got a disassembly :)
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00:41:35Tornei just need to fiddle
00:41:45Tornei dunno about the other models though, i suspect they are similar
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01:22:49kisakwhat (minimum) class of microsd should I be looking at for my Fuzev2?
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01:36:49saratogaany class is fine
01:37:16kisakoh? ok
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01:45:37kisakwell, I was going to buy a 16 GB microSDHC class 2 card ... but it's sold out
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02:07:08nconde77Hello, I'm Nicolas from Uruguay. I'm using v3.6 on Sansa Rhapsody and Love IT!!!
02:08:24funmanranma: i'm pretty sure i tested both orders and caching only worked with ccache as the first argument
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02:11:19ranmafunman: No, it only works the other way around. I did some straces and I turned on ccache logging
02:11:45funmandid you measure time needed for compile?
02:12:10ranmaAlso, yes. (Not for a complete rockbox compile though)
02:13:09funmanperhaps i messed it up
02:14:16ranmaAnother possibility would be 'ccache −−ccache-skip gcc <remaining args>'
02:14:57funmanbtw no 'verify failed' panic here so far, seems to work fine
02:15:11funmanperhaps we should increase number of possible errors just in case
02:16:17ranmamultiple input files (/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-eabi-gcc and /home/ranma/src/rockbox-c240v2/apps/plugins/battery_bench.c)
02:16:38ranmaThat's what ccache prints in the logfile if you set CCACHE_LOG
02:16:54ranmaErm, CCACHE_LOGFILE
02:18:30ranma'ccache −−ccache-skip gcc' might not work correctly for, because ccache calls gcc without -o I think
02:21:26ranmaDo you mean increase PL180_MAX_TRANSFER_ERRORS? 10 is already quite big, the dma errors I saw happened only sporadically and were always resolved on the second try.
02:21:44funmanwell it's ok then
02:22:24funmani checked buffering thread debug menu and i saw some times that the buffer wasn't fully used but it might be a buffering.c limitation (checked on fuzev1 so the buffer was around 6MB)
02:25:29ranmaBTW, on C200v2 it seems something like this is needed to get rid of the display glitches:
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02:28:21funmansorry, can't check it now - did you see how the OF multiplex button reads and LCD updates?
02:29:02ranmaNo, haven't looked at OF
02:29:20ranmaIIRC kugel said something about OF not interrupting display updates with button reads?
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02:31:51funmanwe could use DMA to update display but we don't have any channel left :(
02:33:17ranmaUsing dma to update display would pretty much require only doing button reads when the dma is not running I'd say
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04:41:07saratogaranma, funman: FWIW someone reported that rockbox tries to go into USB mode if plugged into a charger
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04:45:32ranmasaratoga: That's expected
04:46:21saratogai thought on software USB targets if it can't negotiate with a host it drops out of USB?
04:46:46ranmaI haven't gotten around to implementing that part :)
04:46:53saratogaah ok
04:50:27CIA-6New commit by ranma (r27148): DBOP noise on C200v2 goes away if we precharge long enough.
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04:52:22CIA-6r27148 build result: All green
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05:04:46CIA-6New commit by ranma (r27149): Add one second timeout for USB enumeration, so we don't get stuck in USB mode if it's just a charger.
05:05:36ranmasaratoga: Here you go :)
05:06:03ranmaWe still go into usb mode for a second though, which will stop playback when you plug in the charger
05:06:25CIA-6r27149 build result: 0 errors, 10 warnings (ranma committed)
05:10:22CIA-6New commit by ranma (r27150): Include usb-target.h for usb_remove_int().
05:12:03CIA-6r27150 build result: All green
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05:24:58CIA-6New commit by ranma (r27151): udelay between command and data write seems to get rid of the display glitches on C200v2
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06:12:24splinter005Just a quick question, but do the Sansa e200v1 or Sansa e200v2 builds work on a Sansa Rhapsody e250r? I've looked for supported models, but it only gives the series number, and the e250r was rather... proprietary.
06:14:25tmztthere's information about rhapsody models on the wiki
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06:15:17froggymansplinter005: this looks like the page that would help you:
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08:48:03pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: "show all files" will not show folders marked as hidden? That would be news to me (or a bug)
08:48:26S_a_i_n_tI assumed it was deliberate.
08:49:55pixelmaon my c200 I can see all the OF folders and they are marked as hidden because I don't see them when only showing "supported" files and their name does not start with a .
08:50:55S_a_i_n_twhat OS did you set the "hidden" attribute with?
08:50:56pixelmaI didn't set them to hidden myself though
08:51:02S_a_i_n_tperhaps its just a Windows thing...?
08:51:10S_a_i_n_tI have no idea, works on my iPod Nanos
08:52:32pixelmasounds a bit weird if "show all files" doesn't show all files...
08:52:47JdGordonhow all files should defintly be showing everything
08:52:59S_a_i_n_tSounds perfectly natural to me if the attribute is hidden though...
08:53:29S_a_i_n_tI'd *hate* to lose this, if its a bug, its one of the "feature bugs" ;)
08:53:57pixelmahuh? But you see the .rockbox folder? Its period in first place is just another marker for "hidden"
08:54:36S_a_i_n_tI realise that.
08:54:57S_a_i_n_tI have ni idea how it works, I set it to "hidden" on my XP system, boom, gone.
08:55:53S_a_i_n_tIf its just me, I'll happily delete the post.
08:55:59S_a_i_n_tI assumed it was a feature :/
08:56:36JdGordon. isnt a hidden attribute, its a unix-y feature
08:56:53pixelmaok, sorry
08:57:40S_a_i_n_tWell, now I need to figure out why I have the apparent ability to hide files/folders with ease from the "show all files" setting.
08:57:48S_a_i_n_tUntil I do, I'll remove that post.
08:58:03S_a_i_n_tI *really* thought it worked for everyone.
08:59:42pixelmaanyway: I just set one of the OF files on my c200 to hidden again in XP's explorer (it already showed me that it was set in "properties") and I can still see it with "show all files"
09:00:21pixelmamore precisely it was the music folder
09:00:45S_a_i_n_tweird. I just tried doing it on my Nanos (Setting/Resetting the Hidden attribute) and it works for me.
09:00:57S_a_i_n_tWorked on a Nano 1 and 2G of mine.
09:01:30pixelmathis is really with the correct "show files" setting?
09:01:38S_a_i_n_tI rally apologise, I thought this was supposed to happen.
09:01:56S_a_i_n_tyep, show files set to "all" with the quicjscreen.
09:02:07S_a_i_n_t*quickscreen even
09:05:21S_a_i_n_tpixelma: It even works with "folder.jpg" in the Music Dir with "show files: All"
09:05:34S_a_i_n_tbut, thet attribute is set by WPM, not me.
09:06:21S_a_i_n_tCome to think of it, I even remember directing another user to set his AA to "hidden" to stop it showing with "show files: all"
09:06:39S_a_i_n_tIf I remember correctly, it worked for him also.
09:07:01S_a_i_n_tI'm pretty sure that is why I thought it was a deliberate "feature"
09:08:07pixelmaI think I read the post but thought you meant "show supported files"
09:08:43S_a_i_n_tHmmm...perhaps I'm remembering that incorrectly then. Maybe I did.
09:09:05S_a_i_n_tIts definitely working for me now though, and, its confusing the hell out of me :-S
09:10:24pixelmaand that's with an SVN build?
09:11:29S_a_i_n_tNope, it isn't unfortunately...but, I sincerely doubt the patches I have installed afect this.
09:11:42S_a_i_n_tThough, stranger things have happened I guess.
09:12:50S_a_i_n_tCome to think of it though, why does setting a file to "hidden" make it invisible in "Supported Files" view?
09:13:04S_a_i_n_tjust because its hidden, doesn't mean it isn't supported.
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09:16:36pixelmabecause someone said that showing hidden files was not supported in "show supported files" ;) Seriously... if you have a better naming of the setting that doesn't read like a book, do tell
09:17:52*S_a_i_n_t fails to parse that.
09:18:59S_a_i_n_thow about "Show Support files, except hidden files, even though the files that are hidden may not necessarily be "unsupported"" ;P
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09:19:42S_a_i_n_tseems fine to me, just make it scroll, quickly ;)
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09:26:54Horschtor abbreviate it
09:27:29S_a_i_n_tsure, easy to read. ;)
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09:28:29Horschtthanks to whoever built in lrcplayer, btw. Now I I am forced to find lyrics to all my songs :p
09:45:24S_a_i_n_tHmmm, S_a_i_n_t wonders if he can kludge together support for lrcviewer in Hotkey/
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10:04:28S_a_i_n_tHmmm...I thought "svn stat" was supposed to report any "non-svn" files.
10:04:48S_a_i_n_tbut, .rej" files don;t seem to show up.
10:05:07S_a_i_n_t*bah "don't" and ".rej"
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10:08:36CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27152): text viewer: simplify display functions.
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10:10:44CIA-6r27152 build result: All green
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10:19:40MichPosted a bug on tracker and forums. %mv and %t fail in radio skin(fms).
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10:22:48JdGordonnot really a bug.... the radio screen doesnt update anywhere near the same amount as the wps
10:23:03JdGordononly once per second instead of 25fps (IIRC) of the wps
10:23:38amiconnThe wps shouldn't update *that* often
10:23:55amiconn(well, except the peakmeter) If it does, I'd consider that a bug
10:24:45Michmakes sense, but %mv doesn't timeout at all on the radio screen.
10:25:40Michand %t doesn't switch between text lines on the radio screen either.
10:26:08Mich%mv will reset if a button is pressed and the timeout time has expired.
10:28:09Michbefore I post I tried to find if maybe %mv and %t weren't ment to funtion in fms, but if thats posted I sure didn't fine it :)
10:28:29MichI mean find it*
10:32:20S_a_i_n_tthats because prressing a button triggers a reset.
10:32:37S_a_i_n_tso, you're "artificially" updating the screen by pressing a button.
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10:33:13S_a_i_n_tbasically, the timeout occurs...but you don;t see it on-screen as it hasn;t updated yet.
10:35:01MichHmmm, so is the screen not forced to update?
10:35:34S_a_i_n_tyes, at each 1 second interval, and every button press.
10:36:46S_a_i_n_tamiconn: It probably doesn't bother you, but animation looks like dirt unless the WPS refresh rate is very high.
10:37:15amiconnWPS refresh rate use to be 5 Hz. Anything above that is a waste of energy, imo
10:37:21S_a_i_n_tthe .sbs updates more frequently than the .fms IIUC, and animation looks choppy on that even.
10:37:56Michwell I just tried it on my DAP, with backlight on for 120secs, the backlight went off and it didn't change to the false setting for %mv.
10:38:55MichTrying it on a sim now.
10:41:23MichSim is doing the same thing I have the timeout set for 3seconds. still holding like %mv is true
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10:42:01JdGordon25hz if the peak meter is enabled
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10:43:20S_a_i_n_tMich: Out of interest, is true and false called inthe same viewport?
10:44:05S_a_i_n_tif you used two conditional viewports, you could probably get it to update.
10:44:16JdGordon%mv should be working
10:44:23S_a_i_n_tI seem to remember fixing a problem with that before.
10:45:00JdGordonand yeah, sublines dont look like they would be expected to work
10:45:11JdGordonfulll up[date each press instead of partial
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10:45:23MichIts calling 2 differnt viewports if thats what your asking
10:46:18MichJust noticed, the battery data on the sim in the true viewport doesn't update like it does in WPS. the values never change
10:46:21S_a_i_n_tyes, it was what I was asking.
10:47:11S_a_i_n_tcan you pastebin the .fms code?
10:47:22Michit should be slower sense its only once per second but it doesn't change at all.
10:48:54S_a_i_n_tMich: Could you pastebin the .fms code?
10:48:56Michwhat do you mean by pastebin? dont think you want me to paste my whole fms file. lol
10:49:33S_a_i_n_tIndeed I do.
10:51:20Michmust be getting tired
10:52:06S_a_i_n_tThanks, I'll have a look.
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10:56:19Michmy WPS is the same as far as the %mv viewports go and it works great.
10:58:09Michneed to AFK a min. BRB
10:58:27S_a_i_n_tyeah, all I can see immediately is that the "%?pv<0|1|5|10|15|20|25|30|35|40|45|50|55|60|65|70|75|80 etc. etc. " line isn't entirely correct.
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11:02:35S_a_i_n_tMich: just a purely cosmetic thing, but "%?pv<0|5|10|15|20|25|30|35|40|45|50|55|60|65|70|75|80|85|90|95|100|100>%%" will work a lot better in the way you're using it.
11:06:06S_a_i_n_tand, have you considered merging viewports "v" and "a"?
11:06:43S_a_i_n_tthey are positioned the same, just displaying different need to display the viewport conditionally, simply the info.
11:10:05Michwell the fonts are differnt. but yeah when I first made the view ports they didnt sit the same but I didn't like how they looked so I change it. never really thought about dropping the viewports. I can try that I guess.
11:10:24S_a_i_n_tit *should* work.
11:10:57S_a_i_n_tI was just beginning to fox it up myself, but, my coding style is very, best for you to do it yourself.
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11:11:44Michwell the viewports like that in WPS work fine, not sure why it would work in wps and fail in fms
11:11:52S_a_i_n_tbasically, the "a" and "v" viewports that share coordinates, can be the same viewport, with the info conditional to %mh instead of the whole viewport.
11:13:27S_a_i_n_tdifferent screens, different code...bugs, glitches, ghost in the name it.
11:13:28dfktbertrik, i made a battery bench with and without PLLB enabled on my clip+ - without 15h33m, with 15h40m
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11:14:23S_a_i_n_tMich: Did you see my comment regarding your volume "percentile" line?
11:14:35Michyeah I did.
11:14:44S_a_i_n_tIt should work a lot better, and be *slightly* more accurate as I laid it out.
11:15:05S_a_i_n_tthe "percentile" still wont be a true percentage though, but, closer.
11:16:25Michis there way to do the exact percent? didn't want to do <0|1|2|3|etc... lol
11:16:27bertrikdfkt, it's a bit weird that the runtime is longer with PLLB enabled...
11:16:39S_a_i_n_tI'd like to see a screenshot of the wps/fms/whatever when its done. You *really covered your bases with the volume info lol.volumebar, dB, percentage
11:17:11S_a_i_n_tMich: Nope, %?pv<0|1|2|3 etc. etc. is as good as it gets.
11:17:44MichI already posted it.
11:17:55dfktbertrik, here's the full results if you want:
11:18:10S_a_i_n_tyou just have to remember that the second to last increment is "100%" (actually, line level, or 0dB), and the last increment is "greater than 100%"
11:18:32bertrikthanks for testing
11:18:33S_a_i_n_tthat's why it pays to have the last two increments be 100%
11:18:46S_a_i_n_tits not "accurate, but it "steps" a lot betetr.
11:19:00dfktbertrik, no problem, i was curious too, since i read it uses 2.5mW more with pllb
11:20:08S_a_i_n_tMich: so, to get clsoe to what you want you'd need to do "%?pv<0|1|2|3..//..98|99|100|100>%%%"
11:21:58S_a_i_n_tMich: Does it not include an .sbs?
11:22:20S_a_i_n_tIt's look a lot better (IMO) if the main menu didn't use the built-in status bar
11:22:58Michno not yet. thats on my todo list also lang support.
11:23:47S_a_i_n_tLang support gets annoying, you end up wishing there was a LOT more words in english.lang than there actually is.
11:24:58MichI just comment out the v viewports to test it. if you see the viewport with time in it. well its ment to show the volume there for 15secs, then go back to time info. well it stays stuck on volume. if you want to see how I changed it.
11:28:08JdGordonoh right... lang support in the skins... it could be done very simply
11:28:16JdGordonjust like skin settings
11:28:32JdGordonboth of which wont get any support for inclusion so not much point wasting time doing it
11:28:38S_a_i_n_tMich: Hmmmm :/ In reality, both should work.
11:28:46JdGordonlang support for new strings that is
11:28:58S_a_i_n_tI have no idea really why it isn't working as expected in the .fms
11:29:06S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: really?
11:29:14S_a_i_n_tI'd really like that.
11:29:22MichYeah it was worth trying.
11:30:08MichI think it must be a bug in the way Radio screen gets updated.
11:30:26Michwonder does scrolling work in the radio screen?
11:30:29S_a_i_n_tSometimes, I like to blame magic.
11:31:32S_a_i_n_tScrolling should wrok, but, if screen update is iffy then I'm not sure how pretty it would look.
11:31:38JdGordonwe could very easily add a "skin langs" file which is a plain text file
11:31:43Michalso %t doesn't work in at all on the radio screen. I bet its related to same thing causing the %mv problem.
11:33:27S_a_i_n_tMich: where are you using %t?
11:33:40S_a_i_n_tI'm either blind, or...well, probably blind.
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11:33:55MichScrolling works fine even when %mv is stuck. lol
11:34:19S_a_i_n_tMich: are you talking about line 21?
11:34:26S_a_i_n_tthat looks..odd to me.
11:34:27Michin my fms I dont have %t because it didn't work at all... atleast with %mv if I push a button its funtional
11:34:53S_a_i_n_tthat's line 21 from your .fms
11:35:06Michnah thats %tf
11:35:24S_a_i_n_tgotcha ;)
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11:36:08MichI tried %t in fms.. but I end up not including it because it didn't work at all :P
11:36:42S_a_i_n_tHmmm, quite surprised it hasn't been mentioned before now.
11:36:52S_a_i_n_t.fms support has been in svn a while now.
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11:37:25Michim gonna try it again to be sure
11:37:38JdGordonyes, %t doesnt work
11:37:47Michoh ok
11:37:50JdGordonit doesnt do partial updates like the wps does
11:37:55Michguess I don't need to =P
11:37:57JdGordonsomeone needs to fix that :p
11:38:23JdGordonI mean, I'm not surprised it doesnt work, but it is a bug
11:39:58MichI suspect its related to the %mv bug too. I should brush up on programing, so I can help fix problems insted of just finding them. havn't done any in 6+ years.
11:40:35JdGordonapps/radio.c radio_screen() is the problem... it only does a full update
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12:16:09themgdnhi there
12:17:16themgdni have question about rockbox on fuze v1. how i can connect it to my pc as disk? when i'm plugging cable even when player is on, default firmware is booting.
12:17:48themgdn(or charging, if "select" is pressed)
12:18:41AlexPUse the OF for file transfer
12:18:44AlexPFor now
12:19:31themgdnoriginal firmware? or, thanks
12:20:15AlexPI guess that Rockbox doesn't do USB on the Fuse yet (I haven't checked this)
12:22:37themgdnwiki says "USB = Yes"
12:23:28AlexPHmmm, OK then :)
12:23:35AlexPWhat version of Rockbox?
12:24:08AlexPI'd try a current build, 3.6 might well have it disabled
12:25:26gevaertsthe code definitely wasn't there a month ago
12:25:35n1syeah usb on the ams devices is pretty recent i think
12:26:16AlexPah, that'll be it then :)
12:27:21ranmaAlso, the bootloader will still boot into OF if you turn it on by plugging into usb
12:27:30ranmaTo use usb with RB, you have to boot rb first and then plug in
12:27:52themgdnwell, current build installed
12:27:56themgdnlet's check :)
12:29:31themgdnvery good
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13:18:24dfktcan anyone help me find out an sdcfg value, for unbricking a player with tcctool? all the info i collected is here:
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13:21:46CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27153): Refacture libmad's synthesis filter via macro usage. Comment unused special synthesis filter for half bandwidth.
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13:23:49CIA-6r27153 build result: All green
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13:25:33Jerompamaury: Hi
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13:33:03Brandonrd7Are you going to add new features to pong?
13:33:14S_a_i_n_tsuch as?
13:33:47Brandonrd7Player vs Computer and a new colour
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13:33:53S_a_i_n_tFS #5855
13:34:09S_a_i_n_tdone already, add the patch, compile your own build...done.
13:35:49Brandonrd7the development for the ipod nano 2g hasn't been active for nearly two months
13:36:36S_a_i_n_tagain, untrue
13:36:39CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27154): text viewer: display functions more changes. ...
13:37:04S_a_i_n_twhere does that info come from?
13:37:26Brandonrd7sorry about that
13:37:44pamauryJerom: I'll work on usb this afternoon, I should have time
13:37:59Brandonrd7I meant that the page for the ipod nano 2g hasn't been active for a while ;)
13:38:40CIA-6r27154 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (uchida committed)
13:39:13Jerompamaury: I made some work on it, wrote request_endpoints release_endpoints
13:39:31Brandonrd7anyway, what usb?
13:39:53JeromI also tried different things but it always bug at the same moment
13:40:14JeromBrandonrd7: ams v2
13:40:34pamauryJerom: if you want to can paste it to pastebin (request/release ep), I need to investigate the set address bug
13:40:35Brandonrd7(homer whoo hoo)
13:40:45Brandonrd7thanks! :D
13:41:30Jerompamaury: Will reboot into ubuntu wait a sec
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13:45:14CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27155): fix yellow.
13:46:21Brandonrd7when will the sansa page be edited?
13:46:38JeromWhen the will be new stuff to add/change
13:46:52CIA-6r27155 build result: All green
13:49:28AlexPBrandonrd7: Once ports get to a certain stage, the pages don't tend to get updated
13:50:11AlexPAnd a large number of the many changes per day are for all targets
13:51:46Jerompamaury: remove the dontpanicf lines :p
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13:53:27pamauryJerom: wait a minute, I'm doing some cleanup and trying to install windows xp under vmware for the usb anaylzer, perhaps vmware works better than virtualbox with it
13:54:06pamauryJerom: in your patch, why to you substitute sts by GINTMSK_sts ?
13:54:21JeromBecause it's not needed
13:54:55JeromI changed sts to GINTSTS
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13:55:19JeromBecause you are no more checking if we got every interrupt
13:55:22pamaurythis avoid reading the status read again and again. I prefer to avoid this, since we are in an interrupt handler. It probably doesn't change things but it's safer.
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13:56:15JeromIs reading from the status slower then from a variable ?
13:56:18pamauryDid you ever got a disconnect interrupt ? I didn't manage so far. On disconnect, there are some freezes and the disconnection is not taken into account by rockbox, so something is wrong here
13:56:29Jeromwith the sleep hack
13:56:44Jeromlook at usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers
13:56:48JeromNo wait
13:57:04JeromI did something wrong
13:58:03pamauryJerom: your modification of enum_done is wrong. You *are* supposed to read the DSTS register to retrieve speed. I don't know why. And anyway, ther code will need to distinguish between HS and FS
13:58:55JeromYou mean we must read it even if we don't use it ?
13:59:16pamauryWe will use it
13:59:24Jerom"sleep(HZ*0.5); /* Sleeping a little improve things, no idea why */" This line did improve a lot of things
13:59:29JeromBut I don't know why
13:59:36pamauryBut all codes I found about this driver say we must read it.
13:59:43JeromI even got the disconnect event with that
14:00:30pamauryIt probably helps because it gives time to finish the transfers. The cancel_drv_transfers code is not good but this hack is not better. I need to find a better solution.
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14:00:52pamauryWhy changing "if(blocking)" to "while(endpoint->wait && endpoint->busy)" ? This seems pointless
14:01:05JeromThat was just a test
14:01:25JeromAnd yes it didn't change anything
14:01:41pindarotshey guys, I have some question with my rockbox, when I use it with crossfade, it fades out after like 1 minute and goes to the next track, I probably have some setting wrong but which is it?
14:02:40pindarotsi have a sansa clip+ btw
14:03:12Brandonrd7when will the code be committed?
14:03:32JeromBrandonrd7: still not ready for prime time
14:03:35pamauryBrandonrd7: code for what ?
14:03:41Jeromusb drv ^^
14:04:21pamauryah, there is some code committed. It doesn't work properly yet but the code is there
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14:06:14pindarotsJerom: but which of the settings is it that it skips to the next track after 1 minute (even without crossfade on btw, just tested that)
14:08:30Jerompindarots: I don't know, never had this
14:08:59S_a_i_n_tpindarots: If all aelse fails, you could try "Settings/Manage Settings/Reset Settings"
14:09:16S_a_i_n_tIf it still does it after that, you've found yourself a bug.
14:09:35S_a_i_n_t(or, something in your FS is screwy)
14:10:27pindarotshmm, okay, I guess I'll do that and install rockbox again, hope it doesnt happen after that
14:10:32pindarotsthanks for the replies =)
14:10:43S_a_i_n_tjust try resetting it first.
14:10:56S_a_i_n_tNo need to needlessly reinstal if you don't have to.
14:11:07S_a_i_n_tAnd, if the FS is damaged it won;t gelp anyway.
14:11:43pindarotswhat's FS? :P
14:12:05pindarotsah, k
14:13:04Brandonrd7when will the new mkamsboot be released?
14:13:19S_a_i_n_tso yeah, try resetting the settings to default, then check if it hax fixed the issue.
14:13:42S_a_i_n_tgah! *has
14:13:58pindarotsnope, doesnt work, it still skipped track at 45 seconds I think
14:14:23S_a_i_n_tare you on Win or *nix operating system?
14:14:34pindarotswindows 7
14:14:36Brandonrd7when will the new mkamsboot be released?
14:14:51S_a_i_n_tBrandonrd7: Asking once is enough
14:14:54JeromBrandonrd7: Repeating won't get you faster answers..
14:15:26S_a_i_n_tpindarots: Are you familiar with "disk check"?
14:15:51S_a_i_n_t(right click the drive, click properties, click tools, click error checking.
14:15:54pindarotsa bit, done it for my pc a few times a while back
14:15:57pindarotsi'll try it
14:16:21pindarotsbut it's weird since I dont have this problem on the original firmware
14:17:33S_a_i_n_tIts just nice to catch a problem *without* having to do a full re-install (if possible)
14:19:33pindarotsno problems were found in the diskcheck
14:20:10pindarotsit would be weird if it's a disk problem when it does work fine on the original firmware
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14:20:28S_a_i_n_twell, I guess a reinstall is looking likely...sorry, would have been nice if it was an easy fix.
14:20:38pindarotsi'll just try reinstalling rockbox, see if it helps
14:21:06S_a_i_n_tits also nice to be able to say "yes, that was the problem" instead of just never knowing what it was (assuming a re-install fixes it)
14:25:39pindarotsseems like it fixed it :)
14:25:49pindarotsoh no it didnt :(
14:26:05pindarotsit went past the 1 minute mark, but now it skipped track at 1.15
14:26:42pindarotsnext track skipped at 50sec again
14:26:57S_a_i_n_tsounds like the problem lies in your mp3s
14:27:13S_a_i_n_ts/mp3s/whatever format your media is in/
14:27:22pindarotsi'll try a different album, these were flac files
14:29:25AlexPBrandonrd7: In true open source style, when it is
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14:31:10pindarotshmm, on this mp3-album i'm playing now it seems like there is no problem, I guess you're right, I'll give some other flac-files a try see if it's flac-related or just the album I was playing
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14:31:38*S_a_i_n_t likes finding answers for things.
14:33:04pindarotsit's flac-related I think
14:33:13pindarotsthe other album skipped at 1.02 or something
14:33:27S_a_i_n_tfoolishly high quality setting perhaps?
14:33:41bertrikIs it easy to reproduce? If so, does it also happen in the simulator?
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14:34:15pindarotsit's easily reproduced on my sansa clip+, I'll try the simulator, maybe it's a new bug :P
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14:35:11AlexPpindarots: Also, maybe you could test the flacs from here: ?
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14:39:08pindarotsthe problem doesnt seem to appear on the simulator, I'll try the test files
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14:43:58pindarotssame goes for the test files, it also skips at 51 seconds (it's always 45-75 seconds or something)
14:44:44AlexPpindarots: Sounds like a bug report would be i order
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14:47:04pindarotswhere do I do that?
14:47:24AlexPthe bugs link from :)
14:48:14pindarotsyes, but how do I make a new one?
14:48:33AlexPRegister, sign in, then add new task
14:50:58pindarotsah, k, found it, I'll create one and keep using the original firmware from now on. thanks for the help guys
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15:17:56JdGordonbieber: ping?
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15:53:51bertrikdfkt, I can hardly imagine that runtime improves with PLLB enabled, unless it was somehow already enabled (from the sansa bootloader for example) and we're using it now with a lower-power setting
15:54:37bertrikAnyway the difference is very small and probably a good reason to enable PLLB for audio at least on the AMSv2 sansas
15:56:03bertrikI'll have a look at the default (unconfigured) PLLB setting on my clip+
15:58:49dfktbertrik, i have no knowledge of the technical background, and i thought i messed up the battery bench, that's why i double-checked - plla did play 1000hz at 989, pllb did play at 1000.4
15:59:16dfktseems all is good :)
15:59:16bertrikok, I didn't mean to question your results
15:59:34dfktthanks, i like to question myself anyways :)
15:59:46bertrikI'm just a bit surprised at the result, which is always an interesting thing when it happens :)
16:00:30dfktexactly, i was surprised too... even though i lack knowledge of the electrical side of things, 2.5mW sounds like a non-negligible amount for such a tiny battery
16:00:57dfktand 15h30m is way better than the OF already
16:01:23bertrikwow, yes I just noticed that
16:01:38dfktOF makes about 11-12h in reality
16:04:01CIA-6New commit by teru (r27156): FS #10925 by myself: add touchscreen support for virtual keyboard.
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16:06:03bertrikdfkt, FlynDice did a battery benchmark of less than 10 hours in may, wonder when/where rockbox improved so much
16:11:09dfktbertrik, this guy seemed to get overf 17 hours in late may:
16:13:29dfktthen again, the battery quality seems to be hit or miss as well... some clips sure are duds
16:17:28bertrikdfkt, indeed. I seem to have a clip v1 with good battery life (about 11h) while other get only 9h or less
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16:25:17bertrikthe default (unconfigured) state of PLLB seems to be "disabled"
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17:05:58bertrikfunman, dfkt got 15h40m runtime out of his clip+ with rockbox
17:09:21bertrikalso, I'm looking a bit at the wakeup timer on AMSv2. The OF does seem to write the first 4 bytes of WAKEUP: 00 00 00 80. I can confirm that our wakeup alarm setup causes it to rescan the uSD
17:11:12bertrikfurthermore it seems that indeed reading a different codec register causes the WAKEUP read index to reset
17:13:53funmanwe could write hour/minutes of wakeup on the 5th / 6th writes
17:14:32funmanbut i doubt that would fix the bug where the clip+ cant' power off
17:14:40bertrikyes indeed. I suspect the OF keeps flags in WAKEUP[3]
17:15:28bertrikI'll try writing 0x80 in WAKEUP[3] and see if that cures the uSD refresh.
17:15:48CIA-6New commit by nls (r27157): Fix inline asm argument. Shouldn't have much impact in practice but might save a load if gcc is clever.
17:16:56bertrikfunman, also I think we can make an ascodec_write_bytes function to write several bytes in one i2c transaction (similar to ascodec_read_bytes does reads for more than 1 byte) and avoid having to disable irq when writing WAKEUP
17:17:41CIA-6r27157 build result: All green
17:17:45bertrikSorry, still not solving the powerdown problem :)
17:27:40bertrikfunman, I suspect WAKEUP[3] bit 7 indicates microsd insertion state during last OF shutdown, because it was 0 after shutting down the OF without uSD
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17:42:43ranmabertrik: Don't you have to do the writes all to the same location? Multiwrite should autoincrement the index
17:42:49bertrikhm, the OF can detect that the uSD was replugged even when the replug was done while powered off ...
17:43:02bertrikranma, eh, yes!
17:43:35ranmaOf course the multiwrite/multiread behaviour for that index might be different.
17:44:22ranmaAfter all it sends the address once and then does just consecutive reads. So they could implement special behaviour in the hw there
17:45:27bertrikAt least multiread on the WAKEUP register doesn't seem to work
17:45:54S_a_i_n_tbertrik: How does *that* work? that sounds like a nice peice of magic...
17:46:01S_a_i_n_tre: "the OF can detect that the uSD was replugged even when the replug was done while powered off"
17:50:30ranmaS_a_i_n_t: The cpu might some kind of deep sleep instead of poweroff, which it can be configured to wake up from when a GPIO state changes. (amsv1 datasheet doesn't mention something like that though). Or maybe it leaves SD power on and checks the card state on bootup?
17:51:30bertrikS_a_i_n_t, I don't know yet, there are some parts of the analog part of the chip that don't power down completely (keeps the clock running, watches wake-up time), maybe this keeps track of SD card events too
17:52:33S_a_i_n_tIS there any value it could check from te card? Of course, it would even have to know if the same card has ben replugged, not just a different card...
17:52:54bertrikWe could use a uSD card sniffer to check voltages on the uSD pins
17:53:03S_a_i_n_tIt seems like a very nice trick however they do it.
17:55:54bertrikSparkfun has a sniffer for $15, it's out of stock unfortunately
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17:58:51bertrikI'll try resetting some of the AFE interrupt registers and see if that works to suppress the OF database refresh
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18:34:27funmani wonder if there could be an ongoing i2c transfer at the time we disable interrupts in rtc_as3514.c
18:39:52CIA-6New commit by bertrik (r27158): Sansa clip+: prevent an unnecessary OF database refresh when using the wake-up alarm with a uSD card inserted (probably works for other AMSv2 targets ...
18:41:35CIA-6r27158 build result: All green
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18:48:13mc2739Anyone have issues with the last patch on FS #11367 - if not, I'll commit it.
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18:51:59funmanmc2739: no issue
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18:55:02saratoga_does it only enable line out when the dock is connected?
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19:09:47mc2739saratoga_: no, it is always enabled. funman ran a battery_bench with it enabled and had a differenrce of only a few minutes.
19:10:53saratoga_any reason not to disable it though? i thought you had that working, and we'll need to disable it anyway on AMSv2
19:11:26funmanwhat's the difference with amsv2 ?
19:12:55saratoga_IIRC you can't set the volume of the line out and headphones separately
19:13:23mc2739if I understand the datasheet, amsv2 cannot have lineout and headphone at the same time
19:13:40saratoga_or maybe that, I can't remember
19:13:40funmanah right
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19:14:56mc2739saratoga_: you were correct, headphone and lineout volume are controlled by a common register
19:15:26saratoga_seems like you might as well add dock detection for amsv1 now, that way when someone figures out how to detect dock on v2 then they can just add the correct register
19:19:44mc2739I need to rework dock detection since the recent USB changes, and what I had would not have worked for docks with a USB connection anyway.
19:22:24saratoga_ah ok
19:22:39saratoga_well i don't mind if you enable line out, but i guess leave the fs task open
19:23:02mc2739that was the plan
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19:55:12Brandonrd7When will the development for the ipod nano 2g finish?
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19:59:02kisakBrandonrd7: hopefully never?
19:59:20Brandonrd7it's a joke, right?
19:59:35gevaertswhat is? Your question?
19:59:36kisakwhat's at the end of development?
20:00:07Brandonrd7no, what you just answered
20:00:21gevaertsYou want it to end?
20:01:04*gevaerts is confused
20:01:08gevaertsSo what do you mean?
20:01:24Brandonrd7I don't want the development to end!
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20:07:42AlexPIt likely won't then
20:07:57AlexPDo you just want us to specify a random date?
20:11:09CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27159): Comment unused code in libmad. Clean up initialization and memset'ing of decoder arrays.
20:12:47CIA-6r27159 build result: All green
20:15:51pamauryBrandonrd7: I notice you are asking a lot of question of the form 'When ... ?' but in an open source project, the answer is often 'When it will be' because nobody know when it will be.
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20:49:52bertrikfunman, the problem with the hang on power-off with alarm set on the AMSv2 is fixed for me when I clear (reset) the wake-up alarm register at startup
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20:54:01bertrikranma, what is the correct way now to make sure that several ascodec reads or writes are done in sequence (and are not interrupted by another access from a different thread)?
20:54:36bertrikas far as I can see, ascodec_lock only protects adc access
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20:59:57CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27160): Comment further unused code in libmad.
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21:11:20allelewhere would I look to alter the buttons used for the main menu in rockbox?
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21:12:47scorchethe code
21:14:05alleleclearly; but which file? I looked through main_menu.c and menu_common.c
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21:16:03scorchewell, that depends on what you wish to do...if you just want to use another button for an action, look in keymaps and play around
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21:17:26alleleok cool thanks scorche
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21:25:45AlexPallele: apps/keymaps/keymap-xxx.c
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21:30:28Luca_Sbertrik: although I can't still prove it by exact numbers (still don't have a battery bench for plain svn), my battery bench on fuzev2 using PLLB for audio is substantially similar to the normal one
21:30:51Luca_Sthis confirms dfkt's findings earlier today
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21:57:03funmanbertrik: you have a patch for me to test?
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22:05:57bertrikat least, that fixes the reproducible part of the problem
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22:08:05u42pi was going to plug my sansa clip+ in my usb -> pc. but i loosely remember that this might be dangerous. is that paranoia or was there some issue indeed?
22:08:19AlexPparanoia :)
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22:08:37funmanbertrik: that needs a 4th write of 0x80 ?
22:08:54u42pok, thanks
22:09:13u42poh awesome, it just boots the normal os
22:09:33AlexPIt hopefully won't for long
22:09:41bertrikfunman, no I don't think that's necessary
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22:22:06funmanbertrik: it still deadlocks here: set alarm in 5 minutes, power off, wait for wake up, set alarm in 5 minutes, power off
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22:29:07bertrikstrange, it works perfectly for me
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22:30:57bertrikI'm using this to verify the wakeup settings in the debug menu:
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22:56:36funmanbertrik: i tried that a second time and it worked
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23:01:40funmanbertrik: the 3rd time it still freezes when shutting down
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23:02:58yelpedRockbox USB on tha Sansa AMSv1 models only supports storage, not HID yet?
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23:08:56yelpedHow much work is required to finish it?
23:11:30funmanyou want to work on it?
23:14:25yelpedI can't code yet, unfortunately? So, every time a driver has to be made from scratch? I thought that once you enable USB, USB HID comes along.
23:15:41gevaertsas soon as you have a full USB driver, yes, but the AMSv1 USB driver doesn't do interrupt transfers yet
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23:20:23yelpedOh, OK, thanks for the info.
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23:21:21TheSevengevaerts: is that the core pamaury is working on? (the synopsys one)
23:21:38gevaertsno, pamaury is working on AMSv2 IIRC
23:22:11TheSevenmaking interrupt transfers work on that one is almost the same as bulk transfers, just some different control bits set on the EP
23:23:08TheSevenhowever, it's still causing occasional non-reproducible weirdnesses on nano2g
23:23:37gevaertsThat will be the case everywhere I suspect, bulk and interrupt are really the same on the protocol level, except for different scheduling (which is host side)
23:24:24gevaertsYou can't actually tell if a transfer is interrupt or bulk on the wire if you haven't seen the configuration descriptor
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23:26:00sinthetekwhen i run rockbox utility 1.2.7 to upgrade my rockbox, it says there is a newer version here:
23:26:31sinthetekshould i download and run that or should it not be doing that?
23:26:44AlexPNo, that is wrong
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23:26:51AlexPThe one you have is good
23:27:13AlexPThere seems to be a bit of a bug with tht
23:27:21AlexP*the version detection
23:28:05sinthetekoki, thanks :)
23:28:59sinthetekbleh, i can never remember if i have the e250 v1 or v2
23:29:14gevaertsuse autodetect
23:29:43sinthetekv1 it is :P. thanks
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23:43:01dfktmay i spam again, with my request for help in finding out a sdcfg value for a bricked player? (maybe this time of day is better)
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23:43:39dfktall info (except sdcfg) is here: I just finished writing, directing, and producing a glorious masterpiece about Rockbox's most useful feature:
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