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00:14:12 | BdN3504 | hey, yesterday i received my clip+. i put the current build on it and have the following q: where is the hold switch |
00:14:14 | BdN3504 | ? |
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00:16:35 | AlexP | BdN3504: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-240003 |
00:16:38 | pixelma | there are devices without hold switch... |
00:16:55 | AlexP | the clip+ has one according to the manual diag though |
00:17:15 | AlexP | (which may of course be wrong :)) |
00:17:38 | pixelma | eh, that picture shows a non-plus Clip |
00:17:42 | AlexP | ah |
00:17:48 | AlexP | So it may well be wrong then :) |
00:18:06 | gevaerts | IIRC the + indeed doesn't have a hold switch |
00:18:25 | AlexP | Does it have software hold? |
00:18:30 | pixelma | yes |
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07:35:30 | frumious | I'm sure it is a FAQ somewhere (that I can't find) but how can this newbie figure if my Sansa Fuze if v1 or v2? |
07:35:57 | wombatman | yea |
07:35:59 | wombatman | check firmware |
07:36:07 | wombatman | if it starts with a 1 then it's v1 |
07:36:11 | wombatman | if 2 v2 |
07:36:26 | wombatman | under settings or something |
07:38:25 | wombatman | if you do rockbox a v2 fuze let me know how it goes |
07:38:47 | wombatman | i originally rockboxed my v1 fuze before it was stable and it was relatively stable then |
07:39:09 | wombatman | but my niece has a v2 and im curious if it would be worth rockboxing hers yet |
07:40:23 | wombatman | the page seems to suggest it's good |
07:40:28 | wombatman | just lacking the usb |
07:40:42 | wombatman | which was more then v1 unstable had before it became stable |
07:41:46 | frumious | Ah, thanks. settings->system settings->info tells me v01.02.26a |
07:41:50 | simonrvn | it works. i have it on mine |
07:42:03 | simonrvn | rock solid |
07:42:36 | simonrvn | just finished copying over latest svn build |
07:42:39 | wombatman | frumious: yea v1 fuzes are really good. Recommend using the newest build and not just the latest stable release |
07:43:05 | wombatman | frumious: my favorite feature there is lrc lyric file support |
07:43:06 | simonrvn | this is the v2 |
07:43:12 | wombatman | yea |
07:43:20 | wombatman | i do appreciate that news as well |
07:46:15 | frumious | simonrvn, was that at me? v2 not v1 with v01.02.26a? |
07:46:33 | simonrvn | no it wasn't |
07:46:39 | wombatman | it was to me |
07:48:43 | frumious | Okay, thanks. |
07:56:43 | frumious | My current player is an iAudio D2 which I like a lot. Out of the box, this new fuze sounds really good! But the controls makes me feel like an idiot. |
07:57:12 | wombatman | yea the controls take getting used to |
07:57:50 | wombatman | the systems price and specs are pretty good |
07:58:43 | frumious | For sure. This one came from woot for like 50 bucks. |
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08:00:28 | frumious | Hard to beat that. |
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08:09:02 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27252): Theme Editor: Removed some old debug code in skindocument.cpp, began implementing a new find/replace dialog, due to licensing issues |
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08:19:34 | frumious | With my Cowan O2 I can upload most any format of video and resolutions and the file will play okay. How about with the fuze (w/ and w/out rockbox)? Do I need to plan to reformat any videos to play on this guy? |
08:33:08 | wombatman | yea |
08:33:38 | frumious | ok |
08:34:18 | wombatman | i have it as a bash script in gnome nautilus |
08:34:35 | wombatman | so i just right click convert but let me dig it out and i'll show you the line |
08:35:43 | wombatman | mpeg2video mp3 audio and resolution 220x176 |
08:36:20 | wombatman | it might support more but that seems good for me |
08:37:27 | wombatman | the custom format of unrockboxed fuze is some proprietary bs so it's harder to make in linux but the fuze has custom software for handling that in windows |
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08:46:43 | frumious | Got it, thanks. This fuze came with no software media, but I can't do much with windows/mac stuff anyways so no worries. I'll target that resolution and now have no reason to delay rockboxing this new toy. |
08:53:07 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27253): Theme Editor: Made irrelevant menu items disabled at startup, made wrap-around search work in the find/replace dialog |
08:53:22 | wombatman | do ypu want a simple nautilus script for conversion |
08:53:35 | wombatman | if you run something for that |
08:54:46 | CIA-6 | r27253 build result: All green |
08:56:42 | frumious | wombatman, sure, that would be great! I don't use nautilus so much but the script would tell me what to do. |
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09:01:40 | frumious | I just have to say that I'm enjoying Jane's Addiction, Nothing Shocking with this new Fuze thing right now. Rocks! |
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09:02:45 | wombatman | did that work |
09:03:21 | wombatman | im on chatzilla and apparently nothing shows as sent |
09:03:22 | wombatman | heh |
09:03:26 | wombatman | ok nm |
09:03:28 | wombatman | there it went |
09:03:38 | wombatman | i'll paste it somewhere |
09:05:42 | frumious | I got the notice of the file and accepted it but I can't see any new files on disk. (I'm using xchat, fwiw) |
09:06:10 | wombatman | it said it was aborted |
09:06:17 | wombatman | probably my sides issue |
09:07:00 | wombatman | http://www.pastebin.org/378419 |
09:07:18 | wombatman | it's based on a flv to avi converter originally |
09:13:18 | frumious | Got it, thanks. I'll give it a try. I've never used ffmpeg before, just mencoder, but that shouldn't be any problem. Thanks! |
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09:53:12 | [Saint] | what's the deal with the "while recording screen"(?), can that be skinned? |
09:53:23 | * | [Saint] never uses it, so doesn't know. |
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10:00:47 | JdGordon | not fully |
10:11:57 | [Saint] | Can it use an .sbs? |
10:12:25 | JdGordon | yes |
10:12:42 | JdGordon | the rec part just sits in the UI area and sort of autosizes if it can |
10:12:57 | [Saint] | Aha, awesome. |
10:14:05 | * | JdGordon sees he was pinged a few times overnight about lang stuff |
10:15:16 | [Saint] | Yeah, I remembered you mentioned it may not be too har (potentially) to get a theme to get lang strings from somewhere other than the lang file. |
10:15:23 | [Saint] | (or something to that effect) |
10:15:58 | [Saint] | *hard |
10:16:38 | JdGordon | yeah, The way I would do it would be to have a single text file /.rockbox/wps/strings.txt which users would add to as needed |
10:17:02 | JdGordon | it would only need themers to work together to not make the list crazy long |
10:18:08 | [Saint] | I remembered it was something along those lines, there was another "Gee, it would be nice if you could translate other words without making the lang files stupidly bloated" conversation. |
10:18:18 | JdGordon | bassically the same idea I had a while ago about being able to add custom "settings" to skins, so someone could add %clock to the skin and that would expand to %ch:%cm because that is the way the user wants it |
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10:21:53 | [Saint] | Hmmm, I see what you mean actually. There's a 12/24hour conditional that gives some freedom back to the user from the theme, but ultimately as a themer you have to "force" formatting on a user. Clock is a good example for that, you may have hh:mm:ss in the theme, and the user only wants hh:mm, etc. etc. |
10:23:17 | JdGordon | It was shot down though because there really arnt that many uses for it |
10:23:23 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27254): Theme Editor: Implemented replace and replace all in find/replace dialog |
10:24:02 | bieber | JdGordon: Is SVN rockbox using the new theme format yet, or is that still coming |
10:24:04 | bieber | ? |
10:24:14 | JdGordon | using the new format |
10:24:19 | JdGordon | has been for ages |
10:24:32 | bieber | Okay, cool |
10:24:59 | CIA-6 | r27254 build result: All green |
10:25:05 | bieber | I'm thinking I'll see if I can actually make a theme with the editor sometime |
10:25:17 | JdGordon | what a crazy idea! |
10:25:35 | bieber | I fixed that update bug, by the way. I'd just left in some really stupid old hash code :/ |
10:25:55 | bluebrother | ages meaning a couple of weeks :) |
10:25:57 | simonrvn | i did |
10:26:51 | bieber | simonrvn: Built a theme with it? |
10:27:01 | simonrvn | yup |
10:27:14 | simonrvn | a rather personal theme, but yes i di |
10:27:16 | bluebrother | bieber: so you didn't got a positive response from the replace dialog developer? |
10:27:18 | simonrvn | d |
10:27:40 | bieber | Would you say it helped? Any pet peeves, other than the stuff that just isn't finished yet? |
10:28:05 | bieber | bluebrother: I haven't heard back from him since he said he would look into it, so I just went ahead and cut out his dialog for now |
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10:28:13 | simonrvn | very much so. i'm a very visual person, very. i learn that way, and was a great help. |
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10:29:14 | bluebrother | hmm, ok. |
10:29:27 | simonrvn | it "explained" the tags, and how they interact. barring bugs/stuff not implemented of course. |
10:30:38 | bieber | simonrvn: That's awesome :) It's cool to see that people are already starting to use it |
10:32:16 | [Saint] | I was wondering about the output of the eventual wps/sbs file etc. and how homan readable it will be. |
10:32:42 | [Saint] | There's a few conventions I use with comments etc. that I think make code a bit more human readable. |
10:32:48 | AlexP | It is just a text file using the skin code markup |
10:32:55 | AlexP | So just as readable as any other |
10:33:17 | bluebrother | I don't see a reason why it should be less readable than your handwritten code. Except the comments, of course :) |
10:33:23 | AlexP | exactly |
10:33:45 | bieber | Hmm |
10:33:50 | AlexP | It has to be what it has to be to achieve what you asked for |
10:34:07 | [Saint] | EVen just blank commented lines to break up sections of code can help to read it though, a lot. |
10:34:08 | bieber | It may be worthwhile to include some automated comments when starting viewports and such |
10:34:47 | [Saint] | that's exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. |
10:35:02 | AlexP | Not a high priority IMO |
10:35:04 | [Saint] | it really helps when its not just one huge chunk of code. |
10:35:23 | bluebrother | when you're editing it manually :) |
10:35:31 | AlexP | [Saint]: Surely the point of the editor is that you don't need to read it |
10:35:57 | bluebrother | however, if you edit everything from a menu / drag and drop / whatever exactly the theme editor will do here I don't see much need to read the resulting code. |
10:36:07 | [Saint] | And no, it's not high priority, but I can't imagine it would be terrible hard to implement considering the complexity of some of the other thigns it can do. |
10:36:33 | bieber | AlexP: I dunno, I think most will probably end up using the editor more as an aide than a complete drag and drop replacement. I intend it to be _usable_ that way, but I don't imagine that anyone would actually want to do that in practice |
10:36:48 | AlexP | Really? |
10:36:52 | [Saint] | A theme made on the theme editor isn't necessarily going to be read by others on the themeeditor. |
10:37:01 | AlexP | bieber: I thought that was more or less the point |
10:37:13 | bieber | For viewports, images and so on drag and drop is great, but when it comes to assembling, say, a status line with a bunch of tags, it would be a royal pain to select each tag you want from a menu |
10:37:14 | AlexP | [Saint]: Sure, that's down to them though |
10:37:15 | bluebrother | it would be good to keep comments the user added in the code editor. Though I guess this already is how it works? |
10:37:31 | AlexP | bieber: Sure, for you who knows what you are doing |
10:37:47 | [Saint] | I see it as more of an aide also, once the syntax is understood I still agagine it will be a lot easier/quicker to code by hand. |
10:37:54 | [Saint] | *imagine |
10:37:54 | AlexP | bieber: But I suspect many less technical people will do exactly that even if it takes longer |
10:38:08 | AlexP | bieber: Look at how many people prefer gui over command line |
10:38:14 | bieber | Of course I'll include a capacity to do something like that, but I think the serious users are probably going to end up typing out a lot of stuff by hand, and mostly using drag and drop for positioning and such |
10:38:29 | simonrvn | as for me, i'm just typing stuff in. i'm using the preview as a visualisation aid |
10:38:44 | AlexP | [Saint]: Of course it will be quicker, but people at large don't like that, they like a gui - see the age old linux arguments |
10:39:29 | AlexP | Yes, I don't disagree that advanced people will use it like that, but people like that (us) are a different target |
10:39:42 | bieber | Sooo, if something like auto-comments will help make serious users happy without getting in the way of the drag/drop crowd, I'm all for it. It should be a really trivial feature to add, too, I'll just make sure to include an off switch for it somewhere |
10:39:44 | bluebrother | bieber: there's also the convenience issue. Just think about Qt's Designer. I do prefer that even if I would be able to create all GUIs from the code |
10:40:04 | AlexP | bieber: I'm not arguing against comments :) |
10:40:20 | JdGordon | auto comments are a bit annoying |
10:40:25 | bluebrother | but in any case it's also a matter of preference of course :) |
10:40:34 | AlexP | I'd like to be able to turn them off, certainly |
10:40:59 | simonrvn | yeh auto comments with an off switch. perfect :). |
10:41:06 | bieber | To make things clear for all, I absolutely do intend to include methods for drag and drop editing of line contents, I just hope no one will use it ;) |
10:41:19 | AlexP | bieber: I'm sure people will |
10:41:19 | bluebrother | auto comments might be helpful if you start your theme via GUI and later move on using the editor |
10:41:38 | AlexP | I think people here are not understanding how others will use it |
10:41:50 | AlexP | Lots of people get frightened by the idea of having to edit atext file |
10:41:51 | bluebrother | bieber: if you release any kind of software people _will_ abuse it in any way you didn't imagine. Had to learn that with Rockbox Utility ;-) |
10:41:51 | JdGordon | I think the biggest thing you could add to make things better would be help text for the current tag, like intellisense |
10:42:06 | bieber | JdGordon: I've been thinking a lot about that, actually |
10:42:07 | AlexP | I think with drag and drop gui theming lots more people will start making them that didn't before |
10:42:33 | JdGordon | quality will go through the floor :) |
10:42:46 | AlexP | Whether or not we think it is hard, lots of people have a scared of non-gui mindset |
10:42:47 | bluebrother | who needs quality anyway? ;-) |
10:42:52 | AlexP | JdGordon: Probably, yes :) |
10:43:20 | bluebrother | AlexP: yes. And others are scared away by GUI-only things :) |
10:43:33 | AlexP | indeed :) |
10:44:14 | * | bluebrother would absolutely *hate* to have to GUI-edit "code" (and might need to do so some time at work :o ) |
10:44:25 | bluebrother | i.e. drag-and-drop coding *shudder* |
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10:44:41 | JdGordon | bieber: is it too late to do something about the SUBLINE element name? would it be terrible to at least rename that define to LINEALTERNATOR or something? |
10:44:56 | JdGordon | seen as you wouldnt expcet LINE to be a child of SUBLINE |
10:48:09 | bieber | JdGordon: No problem at all |
10:48:38 | bieber | If you change it, you should be able to do a simple text replace in all the theme editor code at the same time and everything will work out fine |
10:49:00 | bieber | I'm pretty well certain the symbol SUBLINE isn't used anywhere else in the code base |
10:49:36 | JdGordon | k cool |
10:51:41 | JdGordon | bieber: ah, just spotted a bug. the inbuilt statusbar is never drawn unless %wi is there, even if %we is there (or %wd isnt).... |
10:52:20 | bieber | It isn't? The status bar should always pop up by default |
10:52:43 | bieber | I see it at the top of the screen as soon as I create a new document, unless it's supposed to behave differently? |
10:53:05 | JdGordon | gah, I mean it shouldnt be drawn unless %wi is there |
10:53:15 | JdGordon | the current behaviour is wrong :) |
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10:53:47 | bieber | Ohh, it's disabled by default? |
10:54:15 | JdGordon | no, the %wi does the drawing, so if that isnt there is no drawy :) |
10:54:58 | bieber | So by default it's not there, %we puts it at the top of the screen, and %wi puts it in the current viewport? |
10:55:21 | bieber | Does that mean %we is just totally extraneous? |
10:55:26 | JdGordon | %wi draws it at the top of the current viewport. %we enables the "theme", %wd disables the theme |
10:55:33 | JdGordon | yes, %we is totally useless |
10:55:59 | bieber | Er, wait, %wd is useless |
10:56:15 | * | JdGordon wonders if we can mark tags as deprecated? that would be sweety |
10:56:18 | JdGordon | -y |
10:56:27 | JdGordon | no, %wd is used in the wps to disable the sbs |
10:56:47 | bieber | Wait |
10:56:58 | simonrvn | default status bar |
10:56:58 | bieber | sbs is the screen with the menus, isn't it? |
10:57:10 | JdGordon | yes |
10:57:15 | JdGordon | well, umm, sort of |
10:57:27 | bieber | So %wd keeps the user from getting to it? Or could it otherwise be shown within the wps? |
10:57:29 | JdGordon | sbs is the skin which all screens others are drawn over |
10:57:55 | bieber | Oh |
10:58:13 | bieber | So strictly speaking, in a wps file, I should be drawing the SBS first, and then the wps on top of it? |
10:58:14 | JdGordon | without %wd the wps's default viewport will be the UI viewport (%Vi) from the sbs |
10:58:20 | JdGordon | yes |
10:58:39 | JdGordon | preferably with a simple toggle to make it easier to see which is which |
10:58:46 | bieber | Okay, now this makes sense |
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10:59:57 | bieber | So the SBS lets you just frame every other type of screen, if you so please? And %wd turns that off and just gives the WPS the whole screen? |
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11:01:01 | JdGordon | yeah |
11:01:31 | JdGordon | the WPS wont stopp you drawing outside the ui viewport in extra viewports but it is almost guarenteed to not work right, visible drawing bugs |
11:02:02 | JdGordon | %wd disabled the sbs and sets the default viewport to full screen, without it the sbs is enabled and the default viewport is the ui viewport |
11:02:20 | bieber | Do you know of any themes offhand that normally draw the WPS within the Custom UI viewport, so I can test this? |
11:02:49 | JdGordon | I tihnk AlexP did one.. one sec |
11:03:35 | JdGordon | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=256&target=gigabeats |
11:03:39 | bieber | Thanks |
11:03:58 | bieber | Also, in an SBS document, will %wd actually turn off the status bar? |
11:04:15 | JdGordon | umm, %wd in the sbs is i guess undefined |
11:04:30 | bieber | So is there any way you can turn off the inbuilt status bar altogether? |
11:04:33 | JdGordon | it doesnt do anything because the default viewport is ignored |
11:04:45 | JdGordon | not ignored, just not drawn in |
11:07:21 | bieber | So can you relocate the status bar but not altogether disable it? |
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11:08:07 | JdGordon | ? |
11:08:34 | JdGordon | if the sbs/current skin doesnt include the %wi tag the inbuilt bar wont be drawn |
11:08:49 | bieber | Oh, okay |
11:08:51 | JdGordon | the hardcoded sbs uses the "statusbar" setting to choose where to draw it (if at all) |
11:09:21 | bieber | Heh, every time I think I've got this theme stuff figured out :P |
11:09:51 | bieber | This shouldn't be hard to implement, though, I'll see if I can get it in this weekend |
11:10:47 | bieber | Oh wait, one more question |
11:10:56 | JdGordon | stupid constantly evolving system! |
11:11:02 | bieber | Can the WPS see any themes/fonts/etc. loaded from SBS, or is it rendered completely independently? |
11:11:24 | JdGordon | hrm? I dont understand |
11:12:15 | JdGordon | :) put it this way... every WPS update causes the SBS to be updated also (order isnt guarenteed) |
11:12:23 | bieber | Suppose I have an xl in the SBS. If I want to use that image in the wps, do I have to load it there? |
11:12:35 | JdGordon | yes, you have to reload the images |
11:12:38 | JdGordon | and fonts |
11:12:45 | bieber | Okay, good |
11:12:45 | JdGordon | identifiers aren't shared |
11:12:53 | JdGordon | that would cause masive problems :) |
11:13:30 | bieber | So from my perspective, I can just render the WPS in a screen the size/position of the Custom UI viewport in the SBS, and everything will be peachy |
11:14:03 | JdGordon | no |
11:14:12 | JdGordon | well... that might get confusing |
11:14:33 | bieber | What would go wrong? |
11:14:46 | JdGordon | the best way to do it is draw the sbs first, then the wps on top of it. but allow the user to disable the sbs drawing |
11:15:29 | bieber | That's what I'll be doing |
11:15:30 | JdGordon | only the default viewport is restricted to the ui viewport... others can draw outside it but shouldnt |
11:16:45 | bieber | Now, if you define a custom backdrop in the WPS, does it apply to the entire screen, or just the area the WPS is being rendered in? |
11:17:40 | JdGordon | backdrops are fun :) umm... iirc the wps will draw its backdrop always |
11:18:29 | JdGordon | the way the backdrops work though is they are only shown when the viewport is updated |
11:18:51 | JdGordon | so you can get into a wierd situation where you have bits of different backdrops (IIRC) |
11:18:59 | bieber | Hmm |
11:19:43 | JdGordon | umm, maybe not, you'l probably get the sbs drawn on the wps backdrop |
11:19:51 | bieber | Okay, I've got to sleep now |
11:20:13 | bieber | Later all |
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11:42:18 | bertrik | amiconn, didn't you transplant radio modules from one player to another? |
11:43:21 | bertrik | I see at sparkfun they're selling these kinds of radio modules, they mention the TEA5767. It's a 10-"pin" module. With a bit of luck they are compatible. |
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11:54:51 | n1s | bertrik: iirc that tuner is used in various rb targets, but might be available in different packaging(?) |
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12:04:43 | bertrik | I think I've seen disassembly pictures where the TEA5767 was mounted on a sub-PCB along with some peripheral components (crystal et.c), this sub-PCB was easily solderable |
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12:24:58 | pixelma | bertrik: if you mean the tuner in my M5 - that's just exchanging one daughterboard without the chip replaced with a daughterboard from an X5 with the chip (there are the so-called X5Vs out there that also don't have the radio which makes them a bit cheaper, where Cowon probably does the same the other way round) |
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17:11:24 | mt | saratoga: No overflows ! |
17:11:52 | mt | saratoga: max error between fixed point and ffmpeg is 3.4 * e-3 |
17:13:04 | mt | I think a 0.3% error is not bad |
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19:31:23 | funbot | Please allow attaching .diff and .patch to the forum threads so we don't have to add a .txt extention to work-around the forum limitations |
19:31:38 | funbot | scorche: i think you can do that as forum admin ? |
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19:35:22 | gevaerts | IIRC those are rejected because it was decided that flyspray is the place for them |
19:36:32 | funbot | patches which just need one quick testing are simpler to put on the forum (and i did that several times already) |
19:37:09 | funbot | it's less hassle than opening a flyspray task, filling the forms, and paste the URL again on the forum, until it's tested and then closing the flyspray task |
19:38:06 | funbot | so for some special cases, forum is ok. the general rule is put the patch on flyspray of course |
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19:42:47 | funman | something unrelated: is there any reason we shouldn't add -Wl,-z,defs to GCCOPTS ? This would break linking of codecs/plugins (and rockbox) when using an undefined symbol instead of breaking at loading |
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19:43:48 | funman | native builds already break but simulator silently links and then loading the plugin/codec fails |
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19:50:36 | saratoga__ | i don't know what those settings do, but it would be really nice |
19:50:48 | saratoga__ | i hate how codecs don't catch all sorts of errors during compiling |
19:52:10 | funman | saratoga__: if you use an external symbol which isn't in the final binary/shared object; linking will fail |
19:52:43 | funman | without it, the binary will rely on the fact that the executable loading it will have this symbol defined |
19:53:10 | funman | if it's not, it will give something like: dlopen(simdisk/.rockbox/rocks/viewers/wav_encoder.rock): simdisk/.rockbox/rocks/viewers/wav_encoder.rock: undefined symbol: ci |
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19:59:40 | bertrik | funman, I'm making a flyspray task for the AMS v2 wakeup poweroff problem |
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20:12:06 | funman | bertrik: i somehow hope that jhMikeS recent commit about atomic register modification will solve weird problems |
20:12:25 | funman | .. including the cpu frequency changes (/me is gonna put this patch on his clips) |
20:13:27 | bertrik | funman, yes indeed, not protecting the CGU_PERI register looks like an accident waiting to happen in hindsight |
20:14:11 | bertrik | hopefully also fixes the weird problem with AMSv2 players hanging in some zombie state |
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20:15:22 | allele | I was skimming the lua page on the wiki, is it safe to assume all implemented functions in the rockbox plugin api are accessable via rb.<function> in a lua script? |
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20:20:33 | bertrik | funman, I would prefer to investigate the possibility to handle ascodec events in a separate thread rather than handling them in interrupt context (and keep i2c processing much simpler) |
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20:31:11 | gevaerts | funman: I'd say those GCCOPTS are probably a good idea |
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20:36:05 | * | n1s gets interesting results from his benchmark run |
20:37:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27256): Add -Wl,-z,defs to GCCOPTS ... |
20:37:52 | funman | bertrik: which events ? the AFE interrupts ? |
20:38:14 | bertrik | yes |
20:39:18 | CIA-6 | r27256 build result: All green |
20:39:23 | funman | the current code is fine for me, i think adding a thread would be more complex |
20:39:31 | funman | but eventually it could be moved to its own .c file |
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20:52:00 | CIA-6 | r27257 build result: All green |
20:52:46 | balintx | Currently on Rockbox I can't play any video. |
20:53:25 | pixelma | which build are you running exactly? |
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20:58:44 | balintx | build r27164 |
20:59:03 | funman | balintx: please always update to the last current build before reporting a bug |
20:59:40 | balintx | I really don't think this should solve my problem, but you know. |
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21:00:04 | funman | if the bug is already fixed in svn you're wasting everyone's time (yours, and ours) |
21:00:19 | pixelma | there was a bug in mpegplayer introduced in r27159 which was fixed in r27171... |
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21:10:59 | balintx | now I updated rockbox. |
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21:11:12 | balintx | Now the mpg is not visible |
21:11:22 | balintx | :lol: |
21:11:40 | balintx | yesss |
21:11:50 | balintx | now good |
21:12:32 | balintx | almost. |
21:13:10 | funman | balintx: don't press enter after each word, write full sentences. It helps the people reading the logs (that includes myself). |
21:14:55 | balintx | It plays 1 seconds of the video, then it shows as playing, but the image is frozen |
21:18:33 | pixelma | which device is this and is this a video that worked before or does this happen with all videos, even the sample one? |
21:21:44 | n1s | what's the deal with makefiles and tabs, do they have a special function there? several of ours are a mix of spaces and tabs... |
21:21:46 | balintx | it is a Sansa Fuze V2. the avi is made by SansaMediaConverter, works on the OF. the mpeg converted by mencoder suggested by on PluginMpegplayer wiki page. Vlc can play it. |
21:22:18 | funman | n1s: tabs are part of the definition of makefiles |
21:23:04 | n1s | funman: so we use tabs where we have to and spaces when we can in the same file? |
21:23:18 | funman | where did you see spaces used in a makefile? |
21:23:40 | n1s | libmad.make has 2 lines indented with 3! spaces... |
21:23:59 | n1s | the two different MADFLAGS lines |
21:24:30 | funman | it's not part of a rule so perhaps spaces are ok here |
21:24:47 | n1s | ok |
21:24:48 | funman | but clearly whoever used a 3 spaces indentation is looking for trouble with me |
21:27:29 | funman | GNU make doc says tab is needed in front of every command line, to distinguish it from the rest of the file. So you can do what you want elsewhere |
21:29:30 | n1s | aha |
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22:05:09 | funman | saratoga_: btw panics in SD code help tracking bugs, but should be removed when the code is deemed stable |
22:05:28 | funman | i think it's still possible to trigger a panic by inserting/removing quickly the µSD from AMSv1 |
22:06:09 | saratoga | i don't think they should be removed, hopefully the drivers just get so good theres no way to have one :) |
22:06:47 | funman | perhaps we should detect bad users and panic("PEBKAC") ;) |
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22:20:43 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27258): HD200 - add support for remote in button_read_device() |
22:21:25 | funman | wodz has found a remote? nice |
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22:22:45 | CIA-6 | r27258 build result: 20 errors, 0 warnings (wodz committed) |
22:22:52 | wodz | what? |
22:23:26 | funman | wodz: hm strange error |
22:24:00 | funman | can you paste the content of GCCOPTS in Makefile ? |
22:24:39 | funman | ah no the error is not related to the LD warning |
22:25:01 | gevaerts | funman: can you change your GCCOPTS change to only be used for gcc 4 or higher? |
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22:25:14 | funman | why gcc4 ? |
22:25:38 | gevaerts | I suspect that that's the cutoff for this "-z: linker input file unused because linking not done" message |
22:26:00 | wodz | what was the address of the page with build status? |
22:26:08 | funman | build.rockbox.org |
22:26:58 | funman | gevaerts: how did you identify this as a gcc < 4.x problem? |
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22:27:28 | balintx | If I want a new game on Rockbox, but I cannot implement it, can I paste it to the tracker, if someone wants to do it? |
22:27:42 | gevaerts | funman: it seems to be m68k vs the others. I'm looking a bit more |
22:29:00 | gevaerts | funman: ignore me for now :) |
22:29:07 | funman | Wl,XXX,YYY should give the option to ld when calling it so if linking isn't done, nothing bad should happen |
22:29:27 | funman | help is welcome |
22:30:38 | saratoga | balintx: no |
22:31:57 | gevaerts | funman: funman nothing bad does happen, but I don't like this huge amount of messages... |
22:32:07 | funman | nor do I |
22:32:30 | funman | % LANG=C m68k-elf-gcc −−help|grep Wl -Wl,<options> Pass comma-separated <options> on to the linker |
22:32:56 | funman | 'm68k-elf-gcc -E -Wl,X' is enough to reproduce |
22:33:23 | funman | same for SH |
22:33:43 | funman | or arm-elf-gcc (4.0.3, like SH) |
22:34:25 | saratoga | disable it on coldfire then? |
22:34:38 | saratoga | i doubt anyone is doing codec development on those targets anymore |
22:34:39 | gevaerts | I suspect the best solution is to only add them to LD lines |
22:34:55 | funman | saratoga_: no, it only works on arm eabi (because gcc is recent enough) |
22:35:05 | saratoga | what about the sim? |
22:35:17 | funman | sim uses whatever host gcc the user has |
22:35:40 | saratoga | well sim and arm are probably 99% of all new work being done on the codecs these days |
22:35:42 | funman | native 4.4.3 doesn't warn, like arm eabi 4.4.4 |
22:35:54 | gevaerts | funman: does the flag actually make a difference for target builds? |
22:36:08 | funman | dunno but it doesn't matter |
22:36:20 | gevaerts | if not, we could enable it for sim only |
22:36:21 | funman | like you said we should put it in LD options and make sure that these options are used |
22:36:29 | gevaerts | yes, that's best |
22:37:12 | funman | LDOPTS is only used on the sim binary afaict |
22:38:26 | gevaerts | we can change that |
22:38:55 | funman | right but we'd need different LDOPTS for the binary and the plugins/codecs |
22:39:18 | gevaerts | why? |
22:39:27 | * | gevaerts shuts up |
22:39:31 | gevaerts | clearly... |
22:40:20 | funman | can you do that? i'm not in the mood for going through a bunch of Makefiles right now |
22:40:57 | funman | grep -r ,LD apps/ should give you all calls which needs changing |
22:41:18 | funman | alternative: switch all targets to gcc >= 4.4 |
22:41:36 | gevaerts | changing the makefiles is easier :) |
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22:54:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27259): HD200 - add missed defines for remote buttons and remote_button_hold() function prototype in button-target.h |
22:54:56 | pixelma | wodz: do you have a picture of the Mpio remote? |
22:55:54 | CIA-6 | r27259 build result: All green |
22:56:51 | wodz | pixelma: http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/cnet2/i/r/2005/mp3/hdd/22049360/sc001.jpg |
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22:58:24 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r27260): Move -Wl,-z,defs to GLOBAL_LDOPTS (instead of GCCOPTS), to avoid noise in older gcc output when not linking |
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23:00:09 | CIA-6 | r27260 build result: 1080 errors, 0 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
23:00:13 | gevaerts | nice |
23:01:14 | * | gevaerts suspects that this is exactly why funman wanted those options |
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23:17:03 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r27261): Add -lm to pdbox sim build |
23:18:40 | CIA-6 | r27261 build result: All green |
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23:24:58 | bertrik | hm, the clip+ battery voltage after charging in the OF is 4.22V, so the OF is probably charging up to 4.25V |
23:30:47 | saratoga | isn't the difference between 4.2 and 4.25 tiny in terms of energy stored? |
23:31:12 | wodz | it is |
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23:36:46 | bertrik | As far as I can tell, the AMSv1 sansa charged up to 4.20V |
23:37:52 | bertrik | There an entry on the wiki saying the battery indicates about 4.15V after charging in the OF. Maybe this was changed in different OF versions. |
23:43:13 | soap | Is there a difference one can bank on between 4.25 and 4.15v when the tests were not done by on the same unit with the same load? (If I'm understanding correctly that one is you, now, and one is wiki (somebody else presumably), older) |
23:44:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27262): HD200 - Increase ADC clock when boosted. Scan all 4 ADC channels during system tick |
23:45:10 | soap | Not to mention, isn't a tenth of a volt a believable variance in contact quality amongst the removable battery Sansas? |
23:45:34 | TheSeven | if it isn't drawing power from the battery during the measurement, that shouldn't make a difference |
23:45:44 | soap | *believable variance _due to_ contact quality |
23:46:20 | TheSeven | contact quality/inner resistance will only affect the readings if there is non-neglegible current |
23:46:36 | soap | I guess I was assuming readings from within Rockbox. |
23:46:44 | CIA-6 | r27262 build result: All green |
23:46:56 | TheSeven | powered by battery or USB? that's the question |
23:55:39 | wodz | hmm HD200 remote keymap will be tricky as remote misses REC key used as cancel/back |
23:56:31 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27263): Theme Editor: Status bar no longer drawn by default |
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23:58:06 | CIA-6 | r27263 build result: All green |
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