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#rockbox log for 2010-07-04

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00:56:26CIA-6New commit by alle (r27264): Bring the layout of the table with config file options in line with the other tables in the manual
00:57:43CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27265): Theme Editor: SBS will now render underneath WPS, if both are present in project
00:58:10CIA-6r27264 build result: All green
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00:59:44CIA-6r27265 build result: All green
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01:01:23Takatohi there
01:02:09bieberJdGordon: I just spotted a problem with the way we're handling Vf and Vb now. When you have sublines immediately afterward, the first subline is just being counted as part of the line with the Vf and Vb, and the second subline and on is counted as a brand new line, because the code that checks for sublines in the first place is stopping at the end of the line even when %Vf/%Vb are there
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01:03:41bieberIf I fix it to do that, then we have a situation where the Vf/Vb are being parsed as part of the first subline, which will make them only take effect when that branch is being shown. I think the ideal way to do this is to make the Vf/Vb actually parse as part of the VIEWPORT element in the parse tree, what would you think about that? (Why did we remove the fg and bg color options from the Viewport tag in the first place?)
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01:06:31pixelmaI think his goal was to be able to change colours inside viewports too, I would be fine if it is a viewport parameter again
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01:31:09CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27266): Theme Editor: Fixed cd code generation bug: Tags whose paramlists end in \n will now have a newline inserted after them
01:32:43CIA-6r27266 build result: All green
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01:48:13CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27267): Theme Editor: Switched device configuration panel to a QFormLayout
01:48:40andashhello! is there some way to stay up to date on certain builds? in my particular case i would like to know if the "current build" of r27266 is OK to use
01:49:01Tornethe *intention* is that all builds are okay to use
01:49:06Torneand generally this is true
01:49:34andashok, that sounds good! i wasnt sure exactly how unstable/stable we were talking :p
01:49:39andashi'll give it a try
01:49:44Tornethere are a dozen or more new current builds every day, so nobody is likely to be able to tell you if any specific version has a probem
01:49:49CIA-6r27267 build result: All green
01:50:02TorneWell, we try not to commit things that make stuff worse :)
01:50:14saratogatheres usually no point in updating more then once every couple weeks unless some big new features goes in or the build you have is buggy or unstable
01:50:15Torneand if it doesn't *compile* then the build won't appear..
01:50:41andashhaha, i would hope not! but i realise stuff happen, just wanted to make sure there isn't anything in *particular* going on right now in those builds.
01:50:46andashthanks for your help
01:51:15soapor, to add to what saratoga said, if you want to report a bug one is asked to verify the bug on the latest possible version.
01:51:50andashi see, i'll keep that in mind
01:52:43andashbeen using rockbox for quite a while and haven't really had any unfixable problems that i can think of, just haven't tried anything other than stable
01:52:51andashhopefully all will go well :)
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01:54:58DarkDespair5Hey all
01:55:39DarkDespair5I'm having a bit of an issue getting rockbox to work on a Sansa Fuze 2, and it's on an untested system (Win7)
01:57:57DarkDespair5Automatic install is grayed out too
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02:09:40bieberJdGordon: Another thought. We could just turn the \n being used in the param lists into a no-break flag, so that any tag with that at the end signals the line it's on not to add a linebreak at the end of the line, but still allows the \n to trigger the start of a new line for parsing purposes
02:10:20JdGordongood timing.. just woke up... let me read the logs
02:11:58JdGordonarg, good point abouit vf being on the subline...
02:12:23JdGordonI took it out so that you cold change the colours inside the viewport
02:13:52bieberOther tags that eat their newlines could also cause the same problem, but I think they're less likely to be used right before a sublines line
02:15:47JdGordonhmm, no, I dont see Vf causing problems.. if you want it to work with the whole sublines section you need to put it on the previous line
02:16:05JdGordonVf tells the viewport to use that colour for the rest of it
02:16:58bieberSo how should we parse them?
02:17:26bieberI like the idea of just turning \n in the param list into a non-breaking flag, but I don't know how much hassle that might be for you in RB's renderer
02:18:15JdGordonI dont understand how that would work
02:18:29JdGordonit is also 2 seperate issues
02:19:12DarkDespair5Could any of you help me with the fuze 2 issue?
02:20:10DarkDespair5It just whitescreens if I try to flash the modified firmware
02:20:31bieberWe'd just parse the document the way we were before we ever added the \n flag, and then when rendering, if you come across a tag that has the \n at the end of the list, just set a flag to tell the renderer not to insert a newline after that line
02:22:44bieberThe other way to do it would be to have the code that checks for ';'s in the line about to be parsed keep going after a tag with the '\n' flag so that the Vf/Vb just get rolled into the first subline
02:22:47JdGordonif we do that the flag should be easier to get to than the arg list string
02:23:08bieberJust add it to the tag table?
02:23:44JdGordonyeah, add a flags column... It was going to need it for the update frequency anyway
02:24:24bieberDo you want to do that and do away with the \n flag in the param lists?
02:25:35pixelmaDarkDespair5: I believe there were reports about some Fuze v2 not able to install Rockbox, I'm not sure but you should find something in our forums.
02:26:26JdGordonup to you, if it works better then sure
02:26:46bieberOkay, I'll add a flags column and send you a patch to look at
02:27:50bieberShould a flags variable just be an unsigned int, and then #define the flags as 0x01, 0x02, etc...?
02:29:23DarkDespair5Thanks pixelma
02:31:41pixelmajust as a note, I don't know much about the newer Sansa ports, maybe you could try asking at another time again (night in Europe and some of the main devs working on this are not around currently)
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02:52:02JdGordonbieber: looks like the draw order is wrong when drawing a sbs and wps?
02:53:20JdGordonusing the CSB theme.. the wps is showing the sbs backdrop instead of the wps one
02:53:31JdGordonand the default viewport appears to be wrong also
02:54:26JdGordonAlexP: your skin code sucks!
02:54:41bieberDoes the WPS backdrop replace the SBS backdrop, or just the area that the WPS is being rendered in?
02:54:57AlexPThey are the same backdrop I thought
02:55:02AlexPIn that theme that is
02:55:19AlexPI can't remember tbh
02:55:23AlexPIt works anyway
02:55:29JdGordonnope wps loads one sepearlty
02:55:59JdGordonand ignore the default viewport comment, i was wrong
02:56:30AlexPI really don't remember, t'was ages ago
02:57:26bieberOkay, so when rendering the WPS, the WPS backdrop goes underneath everything, then the SBS gets rendered on top of that, and then the WPS gets rendered in the Custom UI viewport of the SBS?
02:58:19JdGordonnot really... umm...
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03:00:11JdGordonyeah, do it that way
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03:06:15JdGordongrrr.. the whole Vf thing was a bad idea...
03:06:45JdGordonwith the changes we wont be able to put them inside sublines
03:07:00JdGordonwithout special trickery anyway
03:07:10JdGordonor maybe we will
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03:09:28bieberIn viewport definitions inside a WPS, are the coordinates absolute or relative to the Custom UI viewport it's being rendered in?
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03:36:23JdGordonlooks ok
03:36:38JdGordonI'd prefer 0 instead of NOFLAGS though
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03:40:01CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27268): Theme Editor: Implemented a flags column in the tag table, removed the \n flag at the end of the param list and replaced it with a NOBREAK flag to ...
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03:47:07CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27269): Theme Editor: WPS documents rendered within SBS documents can now set backdrops
03:48:35CIA-6r27269 build result: All green
03:49:33JdGordonworking now :)
03:49:49JdGordonCSB still looks like it has an alignement issue with the AA, but no biggy
03:51:59bieberYeah, I'm not sure why it's doing that :/
03:57:27CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r27270): use the same BAR_PARAMS for all bar types
03:59:07CIA-6r27270 build result: All green
04:04:16CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r27271): s/SUBLINES/LINE_ALTERNATOR/
04:05:45CIA-6New commit by jdgordon (r27272): cosmetic.... LINE_ALTERNATOR can contain LINE so make it more important than LINE in the enum
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11:42:49amiconnbertrik: (late answer) I transplanted an X5 tuner sub-board into pixelma's M5
11:43:25amiconnThe iAudio X5 (and M3) use the D&A DA202, which is essentially a TEA5767 based module
11:43:54amiconnThe M5 has the same sub-board, but without the tuner mounted
11:45:23bertrikI had the impression that the module at sparkfun is also a TEA5767 based module, with possible the same pinout as other modules used in DAPs
11:45:42bertrikBut the X5 tuner board is much bigger than just the radio module as I saw on our wiki
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11:54:51bertrikhm, according to some apple support page, the FM settings (band, channel spacing, de-emphasis) for south korea are completely identical to the FM settings for the US
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13:47:35amiconncrosscompiled sims are broken :(
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14:03:41CIA-6New commit by b0hoon (r27273): hdd6330: change the synaptics-mep driver in a few places according to the touchpad behavior.
14:05:26CIA-6r27273 build result: All green
14:11:51bertrikAre there many targets that support dock detection?
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14:17:22bertrikI was just looking through the button code and I see that headphone detection is done by headphones_inserted() on the driver level, which triggers an SYS_PHONE_PLUGGED system event (which is picked up in apps/misc). I expected a similar mechanism for dock detection.
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14:27:41CIA-6New commit by b0hoon (r27274): hdd6330: enable full touchpad support - code cleanup, all buttons should work now correctly, scrollstrip should work like in the OF.
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14:43:48CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r27275): Include 16-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt on targets with LCD_HEIGHT <= 400 (Ondas) as default font to make Cabbiev2 look as intended.
14:44:08pixelma svn is slow on some tries from here
14:45:02pixelmafirst try to commit timed out, second try worked perfectly
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14:46:28CIA-6r27275 build result: All green
14:46:36pixelmaand I also had similar problems when updating svn recently
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14:48:48CIA-6New commit by b0hoon (r27276): hdd6330: Enable buttonlights.
14:49:59gevaertsb0hoon: did you see ?
14:50:22CIA-6r27276 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (b0hoon committed)
14:52:10b0hoongevaerts: no, i'm reading now...
14:58:30funmanamiconn: you blamed me ?
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15:04:20pixelmawhat are those warnings?
15:05:10JdGordFunman: you pinged me on Saturday? I know nothing about those settings
15:05:26funmanpixelma: invalid code
15:05:59pixelmaok, but why do they appear now in an unrelatated commit it seems
15:06:06funmanJdGord: well i found what i needed, thanks
15:06:17JdGordCool :)
15:06:19pixelmaunrelated too
15:06:19funmanpixelma: different compiler being used (alexp has a recent 4.5.0)
15:06:42pixelmaI see
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15:07:01funmani'm looking at it but i can't find a download for GNU Chess v2 ftp only has (some) v5 tgz
15:10:00funmangnuchess 3.1+ has the same code
15:11:32funmani guess the intent is
15:15:07funmanah no, it's fixed in gnuchess 4.0
15:20:33CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r27277): Add Onda VX747 and VX777 images to be used for and in preparation of a manual. Author: Marko Pahlke. Flyspray: FS #10852 (VX747) and FS #10854 (VX777).
15:22:06CIA-6r27277 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (pixelma committed)
15:27:53CIA-6New commit by funman (r27278): chessbox: fix 'i = i++', based on gnuchess4.0-pl80
15:28:22CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r27279): Add platform and keymap files and basic descriptions about installing Rockbox etc. for an Onda VX777 manual. Author: Giovanni Zilli. Flyspray: ...
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15:29:33funmanamiconn: i wonder how you cross compile simulators since simcc() uses uname
15:30:48pixelmaI just know it once worked (crosscompiling sims)
15:30:56CIA-6r27279 build result: All green
15:31:10funmanmaking windows builds from linux?
15:31:20funmankugel: ping
15:31:53kugelfunman: pong
15:31:53funmankugel: i have a patch which enables recording code in simulator, should I commit it now or wait until this code can be used at all ?
15:32:05kugelI haven't seen the patch
15:32:11pixelmait's an advanced build option since a while
15:32:45kugelfunman: sdl can't record, can it?
15:33:00kugelat least not v1.2
15:33:10funmanno it can't
15:33:32funmanbut that doesn't mean we shouldn't build the code; and also I plan to use recording code anyway
15:34:10kugelah it only enables the code but doesn't actually record?
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15:34:34funmanthat's it
15:34:44kugelsounds like a good idea, the same is being done for radio IIRC
15:35:23funmani'll check if it still compiles cleanly and commit
15:36:03funman−−- i tested the AMSv2 cpufreq patch again and it seems to work on all targets (i only did 1 discharge cycle though)
15:36:22funmanjhMikeS fix might solve this problem
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15:37:54CIA-6New commit by funman (r27280): Simulator: build recording code
15:39:27funman18h15 runtime on clipv2
15:39:37CIA-6r27280 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
15:39:57Learfunman: And without the patch?
15:41:31funmani have no recent bench on hand, but according to config/sansaclipv2.h , 15h50 or so
15:42:40pixelmameh, build errors just when I was about to commit something
15:43:07funmanpixelma: it's only 1 target, there's plenty others to test your commit on
15:43:47funmanthe build errors affect 1 target. if your code is buggy we'll see it on the other targets
15:44:10pixelmaI don't want your errors
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15:45:40pixelmawhat's the enabling recording code for by the way?
15:46:10funmanread the backlog
15:46:47funmanany reason why we don't build a iriverh100 SIM ?
15:47:06JdGordondo we build h120?
15:47:27JdGordonthen no need to do both
15:47:42JdGordonsame reason to not build the video64 and video32 sims
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15:50:21CIA-6New commit by funman (r27281): sim: add spdif_measure_frequency() stub for HAVE_SPDIF_IN
15:52:08CIA-6r27281 build result: All green
15:52:24CIA-6New commit by pixelma (r27282): Replace COWON_D2_PAD with 'touchscreen' in manual button tables and text where appropriate - places where a touch area is meant and hence valid for ...
15:52:57pixelmaI wanted the screenshots in a separate commit :\
15:53:14Learfunman: Do you know if the cpufreq patch would work as is with the "correct" clock (high CPU frequency at 248 MHz)? I mean, aside from changing the frequency of the ifdefs in set_cpu_frequency.
15:53:37funmanLear: afaik only setting cpu freq to 248MHz doesn't work
15:54:09CIA-6r27282 build result: All green
15:54:23funmanr26979 says it broke µSD mounting on fuzev2
15:54:27pixelmaand forgot to specify the files... but reverting that part and adding it again makes no sense either :/
15:54:31funmanit might have changed now
15:55:05bertrikfunman, but ranma fixed a couple of sd peculiarities after that I think
15:55:10Learfunman: 248 MHz didn't break it for me, so that's why I'm wondering.
15:55:13funmanand broke some others ^^
15:55:35funmanLear: you must check all the dividers and see which frequency they give
15:55:54funmanperhaps this table of dividers is overkill though, and an older patch might work
16:03:34pixelmaif someone wants the commit messages to be correct, I'll revert the part of the previous commit with the screenshots and add them again but it'll be weird too I guess
16:08:31balintxSome ideas: RTF and ICO viewer, Zoom in BMP Viewer, undo in RockPaint
16:10:21S_a_i_n_tbalintx: Start coding.
16:11:01balintxI can't code, due to compiler not work
16:11:17S_a_i_n_tcompiler not working doesn;t stop you coding.
16:11:32S_a_i_n_tIt just stops you *testing*
16:11:59Tornealso, the compilers built following our instructions certainly do work
16:12:15balintxno patch does work
16:12:27balintxit does everything properly
16:12:38balintxafter make zip, in rocks there are just a few .rock
16:12:39S_a_i_n_tobviously not...
16:13:04funman19h runtime on clip+
16:13:04balintxAnd custom rocks aren't in those
16:13:26Tornewell, either the patch you used is broken/outdated, or you did something wrong
16:14:17bertrikwow, it looks like we're doing quite a bit better than the OF on clip+ and clipv2, w.r.t. battery runtime
16:14:24balintxSOURCES, CATEGORIES has the proper thing. After make, the new rocks are in the build. After make zip there isn't.
16:14:31funmanLear: which patch did you use to use 248MHz cpu freq on fuzev2 ? did you try several boots with µSD inserted ?
16:14:51S_a_i_n_tbalintx: You're really going to need to be more specific.
16:14:59S_a_i_n_tWhat patch are you even talking about?
16:14:59Torneso it compiles them, but doesn't put them in the zip?
16:15:05S_a_i_n_tDid you get *any* errors, etc.
16:15:06Torneand it's missing other, pre-existing ones from the zip as well?
16:15:21balintxTorne: yes.
16:15:23Tornethat is odd, then (and is nothing to do with the compiler)
16:15:42Tornedid you start from a clean build directory?
16:15:48balintxTorne: yes.
16:15:50Torneto make sure, it'es best to delete the whole thing
16:15:54Tornerather than just do make clean
16:16:00balintxi did
16:16:04balintxcd build
16:16:08Learfunman: I only used what was in SVN for a while. I always have a 16 GB uSD inserted when booting to Rockbox, never saw any problem.
16:16:09balintxrm -rf *
16:16:26balintxmake zip
16:16:43balintxno error were, which stopped make
16:16:55Torneare you certain?
16:17:07Tornesome intermediate files are cleaned up after the build, even if make failed
16:17:14Tornewhich can make the actual error scroll off the screen
16:17:28Torneeasiest way to be sure is just rnning make again..
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16:18:35*Torne looks at the makefile, will suggest soemthign in a sec ;)
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16:19:34balintxI will look that..
16:19:55Tornealso, try make V=1 zip
16:20:04Tornethat will tell it to be verbose and print the commands it's using
16:20:13pixelmadoes someone know by chance how to enable building a daily manual, the Onda VX777 could be added now
16:21:03funmanLear: ah so you basically reverted r26979 in your build?
16:21:17pixelmaI guess it needs some changes in www and a Swede to put these online, but a hint which these are exactly would be nice
16:22:11Learfunman: Yes.
16:23:21funmandid you try PLLA@384MHz FCLK@240MHz PCLK@64MHz ?
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16:26:54bertrikIt would be worth doing a couple of benches with various PCLK frequencies, if only it didn't take so ridiculously long :P
16:27:34mc2739pixelma: I think manuals are built for stable and unstable targets
16:29:14funmanbertrik: benching with the screen always on should work
16:29:45funmanbertrik: also in which order should we test/apply these modifications? dynamic cpu freq first?
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16:30:47pixelmamc2739: hmm, I'll leave it then, feels weird to have it all prepared and not used though
16:30:55bertrikfunman, I don't know yet
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16:35:58funmanI will do 2 full discharge benches on each AMSv2: one with the patch, one without; using same revision, settings, audio.
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16:37:39funmaneven if changing frequency in several steps is overkill, we will be able to test/change it later
16:39:26funmanI found instructions for cross compiling sim:
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16:45:37funmanpixelma: can you check if cygwin ld supports -z option ? (ld −−help|grep −− -z)
16:46:24funman"ld −−help|grep −− -z\ defs" would be even better
16:46:34funman(btw I assume we have no windows build client)
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16:51:18S_a_i_n_tfunman: ld −−help|grep −− -z returns absolutely nothing on my Cygwin install.
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17:04:14CIA-6r27283 build result: All green
17:05:04funmanbertrik: did you already benchmark the OF on clip+ ?
17:06:15funman gives 15 hours
17:06:57funmanjust like (which is on official sansa forums)
17:08:04bertrikThose 15 hours is the manufacturer runtime, several of the comments claim much lower numbers
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17:08:23funmanfuze is advertized as 20 hours (no difference between v1 or v2)
17:11:14funman15 hours on clip (v1 or v2) too
17:11:55funmanwhere's luca_s :'(
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17:49:20DannyboyHi, could someone help me with my rockboxed iriver
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17:51:45Dannyboywhen i play music which is in flac format, it suddenly makes a buzzing sound after a few minutes
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18:01:09pixelmaDannyboy: what build do you run exactly?
18:03:25Dannyboylet me check
18:04:10Dannyboyis it possible for me to revert back to original iriver firmware
18:04:15Dannyboycos at least then i can listen to music
18:04:35Dannyboyim using bootloader 7-pre4
18:05:27pixelmayou can start the original firmware by holding a button during boot, not sure which - the manual should tell you how
18:05:47pixelmadid you try the release 3.6 ?
18:06:06Dannyboyi cant do that because i have bootloader 7-pre4
18:06:13Dannyboyit doesnt let you boot into original firmware
18:06:16Dannyboyyes i tried 3.6
18:09:20pixelmahuh? Even if it is a -pre bootloader I would expect starting the original firmware would work... I don't have an Iriver though
18:10:21pixelmaor do you mean you also "flashed" ROckbox, assuming you have an H120 or H140
18:11:20Dannyboyyes i flashed it
18:11:33Dannyboyis there anyway i can get someone elses .bin file?
18:11:36Dannyboyi didnt back mine up
18:13:03pixelmathere are even older releases available but I'm not sure if that'll help you
18:13:20Dannyboyim beinging to think its a hardware problem with the player
18:13:33Dannyboybut if i could just load the original iriver firmware
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18:17:41pixelmaolder releases are here: - the manual says uninstalling is installing an unpatched firmware again , you need to get it from where you got it first while installing I guess
18:17:56pixelmabut that's my only source of information
18:18:11Dannyboyi need to rename the firmware to ihp_120.bin
18:18:19Dannyboyand flash it using the iriver_flash plugin
18:18:20Dannyboyi think
18:18:30Dannyboygoing to try that
18:18:42pixelmaDannyboy: does this also happen with other formats (possibly after some songs)?
18:18:55Dannyboyi dont know didnt try other formats
18:18:59Dannyboyi only play flac files
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18:25:48Dannyboyi need a ihp_120.bin file
18:25:52Dannyboyto uninstall rockbox
18:25:55Dannyboywhere would i get that
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18:51:52balintxDannyboy: google
18:52:38Dannyboyim trying to google for a patched version of ihp 120.hex
18:52:42Dannyboybut i cant find one
18:53:31S_a_i_n_tshould help you.
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18:54:10Dannyboybut he doesnt give a link to the file
18:54:16Dannyboyit would be easy if someone provided the file
18:54:33S_a_i_n_tNo, I don;t believe it is legal to do so.
18:54:39S_a_i_n_tOtherwise, rockbox would.
18:54:50S_a_i_n_tHe mentions he managed to make his own though.
18:54:57S_a_i_n_tthat was the part I was referring to.
18:55:06Dannyboyit means i have to try and do the same
18:55:51S_a_i_n_tHe mentions you could PM him for the file though.
18:56:36Dannyboythats if hes still active on the forum
18:56:39Dannyboyits an old post
18:57:23rasherDannyboy: I have unpatched firmwares if that's what you're after
18:57:30Dannyboyyes it is thanks
18:57:35Dannyboyfor my iriver h140
18:58:23rasherThis will remove the Rockbox bootloader
18:58:35rasherDannyboy: out of curiousity, why do you want to do this?
18:58:48rasheroh, I see now
18:59:04pixelmato find out if there is a hardware or a software problem...
18:59:34rasherYeah, I wasn't aware there were bootloaders around that didn't let you boot OF
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19:00:07pixelmawell, is the OF still around at all if you flashed a Rockbox build?
19:00:17Dannyboyso i download two files from that link?
19:00:33Dannyboyi need the original firmware, and patched version
19:00:46Dannyboyno wait i just need patched version
19:02:11rasherDannyboy: There are no patched versions. Use Rockbox Utility to install
19:02:12Dannyboyah that link you provided rasher is no good
19:02:26DannyboyI need patched version because im using bootloader ver7
19:03:28rasherDannyboy: use to generate a patched version
19:03:46rasherI assume there is now a way to flash from within Rockbox?
19:03:57Dannyboyyes there is
19:04:17rasherWell, use fwpatcher to patch a firmware downloaded from my site
19:04:51rasherHm, when was the latest iriver bootloader release?
19:04:54rasherDannyboy: hang on
19:05:09rasherThe attached fwpatcher.exe is from 2006-07-11..
19:05:50rasherI'm not sure there's been a release since then, but let's be sure you get the latest bootloader.
19:05:58pixelmalast Iriver bootloader release is quite some time ago, and SVN bootloaders seem to be broken for at least the H300...
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19:07:49rasherYeah, I think there's a good chance 2006-07-11 is v6
19:08:13Dannyboyso now that i have patched the firmware, its ihp_120.hex
19:08:14rasherAh, it even says so in the title of the app
19:08:22Dannyboywhere do i get the ihp_120.bin version
19:08:27rasherDannyboy: using fwpatcher.exe?
19:08:33Dannyboyyes i used that
19:08:36rasherOh gosh, you need .bin for the rockbox version?
19:08:41Dannyboyyer i think so
19:08:41rasherrockbox flasher thing
19:09:42pamaurythis clip+ usb controller is driving me crazy
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19:13:44Dannyboycould someone run that please and create me the patched firmware
19:13:49Dannyboyi dont undstand the command prompts
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19:19:04rasherDannyboy: which firmware do you want?
19:19:21Dannyboyus version
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19:24:43funman says -fdirectives-only help ccache but i'm not sure how exactly: perhaps because preprocessing is faster?
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19:25:53Dannyboyany luck creating the .bin file rasher?
19:26:23rasherDannyboy: yeah, see your private messages
19:26:47Dannyboyrasher: thanks sent email
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19:29:04kugelfunman: maybe it has special handling for minor stuff that could break ccache (like indentation or new lines)
19:29:30funmani don't understand how you can break ccache
19:29:51funmanif preprocessor output isn't 100% identical then cached binary isn't used
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19:30:06kugelwell, breaking as in make ccache not identify the preprocessed output as the same
19:30:41funmani'll measure the effect
19:31:46kugelnew lines can make ccache not use the cached binary, so I suspect that option handles this
19:32:00funmannot really, it just avoids macro expansion
19:34:19kugelah yes, it's described a bit better in the gcc manual
19:44:18funmanthis screws up the preprocessing we use for Makefiles
19:45:28kugelwe preprocess make files?
19:45:48funmanno but SOURCES files
19:46:03kugelah right
19:47:26funman-fno-directives-only in functions.make:*preprocess() seems to work
19:49:58funmankugel: i've tried to use gcc4.5.0 to build rockbox but without much success (i don't remember if the binary didn't boot or crashed but i didn't want to spend much time). In your experience, are all the .0 versions expected to cause trouble?
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19:58:51kugelfunman: not expected, but it's not surprising
19:59:18kugelbut we are lucky with 4.4.4, even later 4.3.x versions didn't work very well too
19:59:27funmanusing -fdirectives-only in GCCOPTS renders ccache mostly ineffective: without it 1st run 380s, 2nd run 80s; with it 1st run 395s, 2nd run 295s
20:00:24funmanlooking at ccache-3.0, it doesn't 'inject' this option either
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20:07:27funmancpufrqe patch + 248MHz for PLLA, seems to run on clipv2; i will see if the µSD problem is still there on fuzev2
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20:07:38funmanalso this sets PCLK to 24.8MHz on clips
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20:10:12bertrikthanks, I saved it and have a look at it when my battery bench ends
20:11:15funman384MHz PLLA & 240MHz FCLK still gives data aborts / stack overflow / weird things
20:15:49bertrikI think that 384 MHz with the 5/8 pre-div setting basically overclocks the CPU, even though the average speed is 240 MHz
20:19:37funmanthe patch seems to work on fuzev2, I will put it on flyspray
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20:45:34paipimentafor anyone with familiarity with the iPod (Nano, specifically) ports... would it be necessary or helpful to develop the 2G and 3G ports before working on the 4G port?
20:45:45bertrikfunman, this is also approximately how the OF does frequency switching, right?
20:46:58funmanthe OF does either something quite stupid, either something too clever for me
20:47:06saratoga_paipimenta: we already have a 2g port, which helps a lot if you want to work on a newer port
20:47:50bertrikDo you have an address in the OF where it does the switching? (I have the clip+ .09 disassembly)
20:48:04paipimentasaratoga_: thanks, I'm reading through right now... how can I get involved with the 2G port?
20:48:50saratoga_paipimenta: its nearly stable at this point, so pick something in rockbox you're interested in and improve it
20:48:58bertrikI was hoping we could do something simpler, like just switch the processor between sync mode and fastbus mode (IIRC)
20:49:20funmanfastbus/sync mode doesn't exist in arm926ej-s
20:49:53saratoga_i think its an arm9tdmi thing
20:49:54funmanyou have the technical manual for this CPU ?
20:50:09bertriknot sure if I have it, I'll have a look
20:50:32paipimentawhat's the most open-source friendly mp3(ogg/flac) player out there?
20:50:41funmani'm sure i had posted C code on the forum but i can't find it again
20:51:06bertrikno, I don't have it, but I guess I can get it from the arm website
20:52:43saratoga_funman: the AAC benchmarks you posted on flyspray were for pclk = 24MHz?
20:53:00funmanyes i tried normal SVN
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20:53:19funmani don't carry patches in my builds unless i'm testing these patches explicitely
20:53:34saratoga_do you happen to remember what MP3 is on current svn?
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20:53:46saratoga_the benchmark speeds are all mixed up in my mind since some use fast pclk and other slow
20:54:03funmanfuzev2 use 40MHz and clipv2/+ 24MHz
20:54:16CIA-6New commit by bluebrother (r27284): Add generated files to svn:ignore.
20:54:23funmansorry i don't remember how mp3 performs these days
20:56:09CIA-6r27284 build result: All green
20:57:12funmanbertrik: the function is at 0x236C in Clip+ OF 01.02.09
20:57:23bertrikok, thanks
20:57:34bertrikfunman, this also looks like a multi-step procedure, just not using a precalculated table
20:58:00funmanthis looks like a severely broken and useless multi-step procedure
20:58:50funmanthe first steps are not smooth, so i'm wondering why the steps at all
21:01:05bertrikamazing that we already get really nice runtimes even without unboosting :)
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21:35:45bertrikfunman, it seems like things would have been easier if PCLK wasn't derived from FCLK, but directly from PLLA. Then there wouldn't have to be some mechanism to compensate PCLK for changes in FCLK.
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21:37:40funmantrue but things are too complex either
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21:37:48funmanare not*
21:42:30bertrikyeah, the clock change procedure looks also quite fast
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21:50:13funmani just ran battery_bench on all my AMSv2. Results in a day or two O:-)
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22:04:30bertrikfunman, once my clip+ battery benchmark ends, I think I'll experiment with making the clock switching a bit simpler
22:06:18funmanIMO we should test the last patch on the tracker, confirm that it does indeed highers battery life, confirm that it doesn't cause crashes / microSD problems, commit it, and then enhance it
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22:14:47funmanbertrik: that's for the "commit early"
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23:37:39tagtypedoes rockbox read ID3v2.4 and v2.3, or only v2.3 ?
23:39:41simonrvnreads all of them iirc. but i'm probably wrong.
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23:41:34tagtypeI think I'm right but I could be wrong :-)
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23:42:53tagtypewrong time of day for questions, laters. thanks
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