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#rockbox log for 2010-07-08

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00:23:15BlueFoxxHey, just poking through some of the settings that appeared since I first installed rockbox on my gigabeat(shortly before everything was 100% complete), and under "sound settings" I see I now have "3-D enhancement". Looking through the manual, I don't see an explanation as to exactly what it does, can somebody elabourate?
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00:25:44CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27344): Theme Editor: Implemented line scrolling
00:27:31CIA-6r27344 build result: All green
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01:38:19JdGordbluebroth3r: utils/newparser is experimental code which will be deleted soonish. It isn't really anything. Just a convinient playground
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04:37:31ED_209hello, I have an h300, is there a recent bootloader yet? the one i'm using is like 5 years old
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04:39:10saratogaED_209: I don't think the iriver bootloaders have been updated in many years
04:40:14ED_209yeah that's the problem, this one is 5 or more years old
04:40:39ED_209what about the english voice files? when it announces the battery level it sounds like it's being generated by a c64
04:40:49ED_209it's basically illegible
04:41:22saratogaIIRC its only as good as the voice synthesizer you use
04:41:55ED_209I mean the one that says the menu files
04:41:59ED_209and the battery level
04:42:28ED_209I haven't generated any voice files for any directories or anything
04:42:40saratogaits all the same system
04:43:06ED_209so I can generate voice files for the battery level?
04:44:09ED_209where are they stored?
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04:56:18bieberJdGordon: Just to be certain, when I'm evaluating sublines, %s has to be included in each subline that's going to scroll, right?
04:56:34bieberAlso, same question for conditionals
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05:18:33JdGordonbieber: umm... not sure
05:19:01JdGordonI think %s is set on the line, presumably the subline so yeah conditionals also
05:19:15JdGordonexperiment in the sim to be certain :)
05:31:35ED_209JdGordon where are the voice files for battery level and menu etc stored, and in which format/extension?
05:33:41ED_209and if I can make a really decent set where can I upload them to
05:39:11ED_209or is it software that generates it on the fly?
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05:41:21JdGordonhave you read the wiki or manual about making voice files?
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05:41:42ED_209nothing about the battery level or menu ones
05:41:57ED_209is there a section on that?
05:42:23JdGordonthe battery level is voiced by saying each numbe f
05:42:28JdGordonfrom the voice file
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05:42:35JdGordonthe menu all come from the same file
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05:54:39n9xvtso i just used rockbox installer with windows 7,,,works great
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06:35:34[Saint]bieber: Yep, if you want each subline to scroll %s needs to be in each segment.
06:36:04[Saint]that way it's easy t do sublines where one scrolls, the next doesn't, the next does, etc.
06:36:41[Saint]conditional segments also can have their own %s' and alignment tags.also
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06:55:19bieber_JdGordon, S_a_i_n_t: How do scrolling lines normally look? Do they scroll continuously, or pause at the beginning/end?
06:57:28JdGordonthey can continously scroll, or bounce left and right
07:00:13bieber_Oh, okay
07:00:36bieber_In either case, do they stop at the beginning or end, or just keep going?
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07:01:30bieber_I noticed that retroTape has the exact same code in two sublines, one that scrolls and one that doesn't, so I'm guessing that it normally stays in motion, and the sublines are meant to pause it temporarily
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07:08:56JdGordonthat is configurable also i think... just make it alwsys scroll...
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07:21:47Dhraakellianhas the bootloader for the fuzeV1 been updated to not automatically boot to the OF when the cable is inserted while the fuze is powered off?
07:26:14*Dhraakellian might almost be willing to grab it from svn if such is the case
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07:30:02CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27345): Theme Editor: Removed papause from line scrolling
07:31:50CIA-6r27345 build result: All green
07:35:01bieber_JdGordon: Does the %d(x) tag return the entire path however many levels back, or just the name of the directory that many levels back?
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07:36:47JdGordonbieber_: umm... you probably need to check apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_tokens.c to be 100% sure what it does
07:36:55JdGordonI don't know off hand
07:38:47pixelmathe name of the directory
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07:49:50bor_karanma, ping?
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08:02:25wombatmanI'm not looking to do anything illegal but since activision is giving zork3 away now for promotional reasons is there any way to run that on frotz? Maybe the dats are really the files I need or is this intentionally not permitted
08:07:38wombatmani guess i could have tried it first
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08:19:46wombatmanand that brings me to my next thing by now someone has to have thought of better text entry idea for rockbox platforms
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08:31:57S_a_i_n_tbieber: Scrolling is controlled by the "bidir limit" (bidirectional limit(?)), IIRC this is a value between 50~200% that controls the percentage of text that will scroll of screen before it either keeps on scrolling through continually, or "bounces" from left to right.
08:32:47S_a_i_n_tThe bidir limit can be set in a theme .cfg, but it will not be accepted to the themesite IIRC, as this value is one of the "forbidden" values. (values that the user should set, not the theme author)
08:34:24S_a_i_n_tAnything that can be defined in a config file *can* go in a theme .cfg, but there are only a small percentage of those things that can be defined in the config that are actually allowed to be set by a theme .cfg
08:34:44S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure if there is an actual list of "allowed" defines anywhere though :/
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08:52:05S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Pingeroony?
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08:54:10CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27346): Theme Editor: Began working on special cases for device option panel. Implemented path info for current and next file
08:55:21S_a_i_n_t%t and %mh are now working in the FMS now, which is a HUGE improvemt, but...the progressbars (volume and frequency selection) hang quite badly now.
08:55:27topikwhy do all dap builds get updated on theme editor commits? isn't that a waste of cpu/bandwidth?
08:55:31S_a_i_n_tDo you know what's up with them?
08:55:52CIA-6r27346 build result: All green
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08:56:10JdGordontopik: becaue noone has fixed the exclude paths for it
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08:56:48S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...ironically, they didn't hang before when the update rate was a lot lower, now it's higer, and they hang *really* badly.
08:56:56*S_a_i_n_t scratches his head on this one.
08:57:18JdGordonFS it
08:58:26S_a_i_n_tI've yet to check if it's a SIM only thing, or it it affects the device as well...if it is SIM only, does it still warrant being a "bug"?
08:58:31S_a_i_n_t(just curious)
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08:59:19amiconnThe sim is supposed to simulate the target UI as close as possible
08:59:31amiconnIf it doesn't, it is a bug
09:00:01S_a_i_n_tAh, in that case...I have a bit of a list then.
09:01:45wodzamiconn: You have mentioned about optimizing bliting for HD200 - have you done something in this area?
09:02:36amiconnNot yet :(
09:03:41wodzBTW. from dissasembly of HD300 firmware it looks like it uses the same lcd controller as iriver h1x0 (a bit different connected)
09:04:40amiconnThe iAudio M5 also uses that controller, connected a bit differently
09:04:47topikJdGordon: that makes sense. as would fixing those exclude paths :)
09:07:37wodzamiconn: yeah I see it is connected like in m5
09:08:06amiconnSo that driver is easy :)
09:08:46wodzgetting the player on ebay is probably the hardest part :-)
09:11:02*S_a_i_n_t thought that the sim was supposed to emulate recording now...
09:11:12S_a_i_n_tAm I incorrect in this assumption?
09:11:37amiconnIt's a simulator, not an emulator
09:12:04S_a_i_n_tOk, so I used the wrong doesn't change the question.
09:13:54amiconnI'm not 100% sure, but iirc the simulator already simulated recording in hwcodec only times...
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09:14:27wodzamiconn: how big is the overhead of boosting on CF?
09:15:57S_a_i_n_tAaargh...the FMS appears to have a brand new set of evils. :/
09:16:27S_a_i_n_t(in the SIM)
09:16:43S_a_i_n_t...probably on target too, but I don't have the hardware to check it.
09:16:55wodzamiconn: I am asking because setting normal freq to 33.8xxx MHz instead of 45 seems to give resonable powersaving (I benched with 128kbit mp3 which is a bit unfair)
09:17:50wodzS_a_i_n_t: I can check something on hardware with FM when battery_bench ends
09:18:19S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Do I need to add a different bug-report for each thing I've found in the FMS, or will one "the fms has packed a sad re: refresh rate" cut it?
09:18:35S_a_i_n_twodz: That may help, thanks.
09:19:13wodzS_a_i_n_t: bench should end soon
09:19:37S_a_i_n_t%tm (scan/preset mode) doesn't seem to change now :/
09:20:05S_a_i_n_tWell, the actual mode changes, but the value isn't reflected as changing on screen.
09:29:14JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: do you expect me to reemebr what the bug is from that description?
09:29:27JdGordonsupply a faulty fms
09:30:17S_a_i_n_tI was generalising, I'd hardly make a bug report under that title.
09:31:13S_a_i_n_tWhat I was asking was: Do I need to make a bug report for each thing I've found that doesn't work correctly, or is one bug report with multiple things re: FMS possible?
09:32:38wodzI would split bug reports
09:33:08S_a_i_n_tSweet, it just means I'll have 3 or 4 to do at once. ;)
09:34:49S_a_i_n_twodz: When your bench finishes, if you could test this FMS on device I would appreciate it.
09:35:28S_a_i_n_tIt's just a simple two line FMS to test whether or not a scan/preset mode conditional updates correctly on device or not.
09:36:00wodzunless my patch turn this device into perpetum mobile and bench will never end :-)
09:37:00S_a_i_n_tit *should* alternate between the word "Scan" (translated) for Scan Mode, or "X of (translated) Y" Presets for Preset Mode.
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09:37:35S_a_i_n_tI don't have an FM reciever for my iPods to test this myself, so, thanks.
09:39:08wodzcould you describe exact steps to proceed (I don't have much experience with FM in rb from user point of view)
09:40:26S_a_i_n_tI'm unsure of your targets keymap, but there will be a button to change between Scan and Preset mode whilst in the FMS.
09:40:47S_a_i_n_tIF the value shown on screen doesn't change, then the bug is confirmd.
09:41:00wodzok I'll look at keymap file
09:41:11wodzwhere FMS should be copied?
09:42:24S_a_i_n_tthat's correct, in .rockbox/wps/ then you should just be able to select it with the settings/theme screen/ setting
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09:47:15S_a_i_n_twodz: Sorry, this one will be better to test with, I forgot to disable the statusbar with the last file:
09:47:19S_a_i_n_tAnd, thanks again.
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10:14:06CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27347): Theme Editor: Implemented the song time (pS, pE, px, pc, etc.) in the device configuration panel, all depending on one value for current time in song ...
10:14:45bieberYay, I'm finally getting those nasty redundancies out of the device panel :)
10:15:06bieberS_a_i_n_t: Thanks for the info earlier, btw
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10:15:49CIA-6r27347 build result: All green
10:20:23S_a_i_n_tbieber: Anytime man.
10:21:01bieberAll this reminds me: there's a tag in the spec that's for grabbing any arbitrary setting: does that just return a value from the .cfg file, or is there more to it than that?
10:21:52S_a_i_n_tI believe you're correct. I *think* it just returns the setting from the config file.
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10:22:04S_a_i_n_tIt's the one tag I've never used before I think.
10:22:37S_a_i_n_tI'm about 90% sure that is the way it works though.
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10:23:52S_a_i_n_tI've got no problems being pinged about such things...I keep pretty odd hours, I understand you do as well ;)
10:23:58S_a_i_n_tbieber: ^
10:24:08bieberI saw someone on the forum using it with a multi-valued conditional, so I'm guessing that RB's renderer will allow that if it's a number :/
10:24:17bieberHaha, yeah, it's 4:23AM here :P
10:26:52S_a_i_n_tOh, right...I know the thread you'rre talking about.
10:27:07S_a_i_n_tI would *love* to see the WPS that that line comes from.
10:27:27bieberI might not :P
10:28:06S_a_i_n_tFWIW, I'm pretty sure he updated it by hand as well...the themeupdater makes some errors, sure, but the most common one is adding extra "%"s
10:28:30S_a_i_n_tI'm pretty sure that the error that was in there was added by hand, but I'm prepared to be corrected.
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10:29:53kninetimmyhello? i need some helo
10:30:01kninetimmyhelp sorry lol
10:30:55topikstart by asking your actual question
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10:30:59S_a_i_n_tJust ask the question.
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10:59:35amiconnwodz: 34MHz may help runtime, but you should test more reasonable audio files, like 192kbps or lame mp3 'standard' vbr
11:00:10amiconnAlso 34MHz may be sufficient on mono + greyscale coldfire, for colour the ui is too slow at that freq
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11:07:34wodzamiconn: Yes that what I thought. I'll bench with more realistic audio files collection.
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11:13:39wodzamiconn, for lame 192kbps there should be no significant difference as 128kbps needs ~28MHz and 192 need ~29MHz it will still run unboosted
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12:07:42wodzbench ended after 12:37:37 :-)
12:08:52wodzthis is 'only' +4 hours to what I expected
12:11:26bertrikI got 17h21m on my clip+ (without unboosting), I hope to reach 20 hours when boosting/unboosting is implemented
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13:24:38literalboosting/unboosting? is that cpu frequency scaling?
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14:15:23RadlFietsHi! I want to add a FM-List to the Wiki. Therefore I registered as WikiUser but I need to be added to the list.
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14:34:48ucchanJdGordon: I write in my e-mail, I try to correct to call skin functions from gui_statusbar_draw(). (It may take some time...)
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14:39:35teruucchan: what are you trying to do? "call skin functions from gui_statusbar_draw()" sounds strange to me.
14:40:21bor_karanma, ping?
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14:46:55ucchanteru: the gui_statusbar_draw() updates only the statusbar of default. we use other function to update skinned statusbar.
14:47:29ucchanAnd, because the statusbar is related to skin, then gui_statusbar_draw() might have to update not default but skinned one.
14:48:16ucchanIs my thought wrong?
14:49:23terujust looking at the code, send_event(GUI_EVENT_ACTIONUPDATE, NULL); seems to be used to update skin.
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14:52:39ucchanIn the plugin, what method does send this event ?
14:53:42Buschelhi folks, I would be glad to see some tests of FS #11461 on PP5002, MCF5250 (maybe also a re-test of MCF5249) and AS3525.
14:54:28ucchanIn the plugin, the statusbar (skin and default) is not updated automatically.
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14:58:59terui'm not sure but why not send the event when the skin needs to be updated?
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15:02:44ucchanI add sb_skin_update() in plugin's structure to update the statusbar automatically. But I think that this is wrong (maybe I think very easily and dirty)
15:06:38JdGordonucchan: no rush :) just as long as the correct fix eventually happens
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15:12:07teruucchan: i think that if you replace sb_skin_update() by send_event(GUI_EVENT_ACTIONUPDATE, ...), skin would be updated. or doesn't it work?
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15:12:26ucchanJdGordon: I don't know about the process of the skin functions. then the correction will make very slow.
15:13:32JdGordonthe get_action() call will draw the theme in the background
15:15:20ucchanteru and JdGordon thanks.
15:16:19ucchanI try it.
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15:30:51ucchanteru: In your idea, the statusbar (skin and default) is updated automatically. thanks.
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15:34:12ucchanHowever, i think that even if rb->send_event(...) is not added, it must be updated in the automatically.
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15:45:37ranmabor_ka: pong. But I don't have time to look into it until at least thursday ;(
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16:02:35bor_karunma, Ok. I have traced problem down to incorrect sector reads with 4bit, and can "panic" just after the incorrect read. Will get back on thursday, then.
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16:17:06CIA-6New commit by uchida (r27349): text viewer: fix the statusbar is displayed when the global statusbar settings is STATUSBAR_OFF.
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18:16:14wodzwhat I have to define to have remining battery time estimation correct?
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18:53:21CIA-6New commit by wodz (r27350): HD200 - calibrate battery indicator based on measurements and battery_benches
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19:12:48kisakis there an easy way to distinguish the various DLO Transdock Micro transmitters from each other?
19:13:34kisakI have one that was marketed for use with an iPod and has the 4 foot cable that can be used as a sync cable
19:14:48kisakI suspect it's 003-8890 except it has an all-black case, not that white top plate
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19:41:33wodzI don't get why when AC power is connected button press which initiated boot menu action is not propagated in boot menu and when on battery it is
19:41:57wodzit is the same code path
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20:28:50wodzThis is great historical moment. After well over a year of learning reverse engineering, coldfire assembly,rockbox architecture, svn, git, and many many other things I can't remember now, wasting thousands of hours of free time (or sleep time rather) I finally assembled back my MPIO.
20:29:31wodz3 screws are missing in action :-)
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20:31:07simonrvnwow. congrats on your accomplishments.
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20:33:31wodzfunman: Mybe you will find this usefull:
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21:12:44w1ll14mare there known issues with the spc codec ?
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21:27:18*Buschel_ kicks the aac sources...
21:27:31Buschel_man, this is weird stuff
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21:28:42AlexPBuschel_: Was there something you wanted testing on something, or am I misremembering (something)
21:29:33Buschel_AlexP: yes, I would like to have some quick test of FS #11461 on CF (5249 and 5250)
21:30:02AlexPOK, I can do H100 (whichever that is - 5249 I think?)
21:30:41Buschel_it is
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21:38:42AlexPCould someone check selecting test plugins for an advanced build for the H120/140 in configure for me? When I try here it hangs at "Including test plugins "
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21:39:30AlexPNot just H140
21:39:33pixelmapress enter again?
21:39:49AlexPI forgot abut that :)
21:39:59pixelmathat's a "feature" of the advanced build section
21:40:05AlexPNow you say it I remember that that confused me the last time I did it too
21:40:12pixelmawell really meant as a feature
21:40:35AlexPYeah, I do remember now :)
21:40:56pixelmato make selecting multiple advanced build options possible
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21:44:32CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27351): Theme Editor: Simplified clock tab in device control panel, now one set of values controls all the cX tags
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21:49:41Strife89I'm curious about something related to disk access via USB under ROckbox.
21:50:26Strife89I'm using r27335 at the moment.
21:51:10Strife89I'm playing music in a media player on this machine at the moment; said music was opened directly from my iPod Video.
21:51:50Strife89On occasion, the music pauses for a second or two, and I can hear the disk spin up during this time.
21:52:55Strife89It's odd to me that the media player on the PC would not load the full song into RAM, but I have to wonder if Rockbox might be directly involved.
21:53:13Strife89Unlikely as I think it is.
21:55:12Strife89This seems to happen more often when I am playing a single song on Repeat.
21:55:29Strife89Any thoughts on this?
21:56:31Strife89(Obviously, skipping occurs more often when I am browsing the disk or accessing files.)
21:56:34riadnot loading the entire song to RAM in advance doesn't seem unreasonable
21:57:00riadit's not done with video + audio so surely it can't be necessary for audio only
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21:59:23Strife89Given that the average MP3 or OGG is around 5 MB, I beg to question that statement.
21:59:43Strife89Even a music video on YouTube is at least three times that much!
22:00:40AlexPBuschel_: SVN = 33.28% realtime, 373 MHz needed −− with patch v11 = 41.14% realtime, 263 MHz needed
22:00:47AlexPA nice speedup :)
22:01:07Strife89This also begs the question of why I only notice skipping when using my iPod, and not other external disks (excluding flash drives).
22:02:26Buschel_saratoga: an hours ago I have read your comment on my FS-entry. the code in the respective functions is sooo weird. my boredom cannot be that large that I would try to work on these code segments ;o)
22:02:32evilnick_BStrife89: Try doing a speed test on the ipod vs. a known good drive?
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22:02:53pixelmaAlexP: but does it still sound correctly? ;)
22:03:04Strife89evilnick_B: Do you remember what the drive is rated for?
22:03:20AlexPNo idea, I'm not listening to that test file, it is terrible :)
22:03:22AlexP@ pixelma
22:03:23Buschel_AlexP: good results, I'll add them to the FS-entry
22:03:29Strife89evilnick_B: Not just speed in MB/s, but RPMs as well.
22:03:33gevaertsStrife89: the drive probably spins down
22:03:44evilnick_BStrife89: Dunno, try googling it
22:04:01Strife89gevaerts: That's what I had been figuring on, but still.
22:04:42*Strife89 proposes that a setting be added to Rockbox to elongate time to spindown when in USB mode.
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22:05:07*gevaerts doesn't like such an option
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22:08:51pixelmathe Iaudio firmware keeps the drive spinning while connected to USB (data connection) which means no or very slow charging... with a harddisk
22:10:26gevaertsYes, we had that too
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22:10:40CIA-6New commit by alex (r27352): Clarify where music can be put on the player.
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22:12:34CIA-6r27352 build result: All green
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22:18:09Strife89I didn't mean "keep the disk spinning the whole time".
22:19:04Strife89My suggestion is simply to make it possible to, say, double the time-to-spindown (if the user leaves it at five seconds, then make it 10 seconds) while Rockbox is in USB mode.
22:24:48pixelmaif it still spins down with this then it won't help your case as I understood the problem is not spinning up quickly enough, if it doesn't spin down then it will constantly spin
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22:35:34amiconnStrife89: On targets with a hardware usb-ata bridge we have no influence on that
22:36:09amiconnSpindown time is then set by the bridge (which usually reads its settings from a serial eeprom we don't have access to)
22:36:12*Strife89 isn't sure if the iPod Video is such a target.
22:36:18amiconnNo, it's not
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22:38:09Strife89Why not consider the option for such targets, then?
22:38:34gevaertsStrife89: because it doesn't actually solve anything
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23:27:10wodzS_a_i_n_t: I don't quite get what should I see with your test.fms
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23:42:08Buschel_AlexP: Can you retest aac-he with this patch -> ?
23:51:14AlexPBuschel_: 51.4%, 242 MHz
23:51:39Buschel_wow :)
23:52:17Buschel_only a factor of 2 left until realtime :)
23:52:55AlexPgetting there :)
23:53:29CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27353): Theme Editor: Built a ui for the timer panel, not functional yet
23:55:16CIA-6r27353 build result: All green
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23:58:49S_a_i_n_twodz: What *are* you seeing?

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