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#rockbox log for 2010-07-09

00:01:03S_a_i_n_tIt *should* switch between the word "Scan" and "X of Y" for scan and preset mode respectively when youchange between those two modes in the fms.
00:01:18wodztypical FM screen
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00:01:42S_a_i_n_thow did you load the fms?
00:02:19S_a_i_n_tyou should be able to select "TEST.fms" from the Theme Settings
00:02:44wodzsettings->theme settings->radio screen
00:03:15wodzthere I select TEST and it says "Loading"
00:03:42S_a_i_n_tHmmm...don't stress out about it, apparently I did something wrong :/
00:03:46S_a_i_n_tThanks though.
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01:38:44funmanwodz: if you have *only* 3 screws left, you did something bad ;')
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01:59:17joecoolyo, where's the linux source for tcctool? i'm looking for it but i only see windows ones when i google
01:59:41joecooland it looks like i'll need to do some modding to get it to work with my j3 (the s9 is just slightly different)
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02:00:01funmanjoecool: rockbox svn
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02:18:18*Strife89 just saw this. I take it that only specific targets affected?
02:19:39*Strife89 hasn't noticed it on his iPod Video, at any rate, with r27335.
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02:35:08funmanStrife89: sansa AMSv1 afaik
02:35:36funmanbor_ka has investigated it
02:36:41*Strife89 has here an AAC file that somehow produces a Codec Failure at 34 seconds in. :/
02:37:26Strife89Always at 34 seconds.
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02:44:25funmanStrife89: give it to buschel
02:45:06Strife89Do you know when he/she's usually on?
02:45:24 Quit S_a_i_n_t (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)"> says that he (Andree Buschmann) is usually online between 18 and 6 UTC+2 but I remeber he recently talked about leaving for some times
02:47:51joecoolhmm... i don't think i'm going to be able to do this
02:48:06joecoolwill probably at the least need the SDCFG value for the J3
02:48:31joecooland i am not versed in disassembling firmwares
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02:59:29bieberS_a_i_n_t: You around?
02:59:44S_a_i_n_tSure am. :D
03:03:17S_a_i_n_tbieber: You rang?
03:03:42bieberThe device control panel in the Theme Editor is, I'm pretty sure, done now
03:03:54bieberI was wondering if you had any input on the arrangement of the tabs/options
03:04:22bieberIf you want to screw with it yourself, the file /utils/themeeditor/resources/deviceoptions determines their arrangement
03:04:49S_a_i_n_tI havent seen it, so, not yet. If you could whip up a windows build for me I'd be happy to take a look.
03:06:29bieberDo you have the MingW DLL's installed? I haven't gotten the whole static linking thing down pat like with bluebrother's builds
03:07:03funmanbieber: gcc -static doesn't do the trick ?
03:07:07S_a_i_n_tI don't no.
03:07:18bieberfunman: I'm not sure, I'll give it a try
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03:07:29S_a_i_n_t"I don't, no." rather
03:07:38bieberI've got Qt linking statically, it's just the mingw dependencies that I can't seem to get rid of
03:08:30S_a_i_n_tI may be able to ask bluebrother nicely to whip up a current build, with a bit of luck he'll see this post when he pops in next. ;)
03:09:52bieberI'm working on making the timer work atm, so I'll see what I can do once that's done
03:10:10bieberThen you get two new features for the price of...all of them
03:10:52S_a_i_n_tlol, looking forward to trying it out.
03:11:33S_a_i_n_tI mean, I have worked on it before, but the last time I took it for a test drive is only had very basic functionality.
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04:13:06CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27354): Theme Editor: Implemented timer panel functionality, added missing seconds field to device control panel
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04:55:00wombatmanwhat is the point of line out?
04:55:24wombatmanI'm assuming this isn't the ability to send video out somehow on the sansa fuze
04:55:51JdGordonit is to provide line level audio
04:56:19wombatmanand it doesn't do that normally?
04:56:42wombatmani mean i know i've had to have plugged this into a car stereo system before
04:56:46wombatmanim pretty sure i have but might be wrong
04:56:49krazykitheadphones aren't line-level
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04:58:27wombatmanok will wikipedia it
04:58:52joecoolgenerally line level is high impedance, headphone level is low impedance, please correct me if i'm wrong
04:59:45joecoolbut it comes down to efficiency of driving loads, used to be way more important with tube amps, solid state has slightly degraded it's importance.... (but nevertheless the acoustics will be different then expected if not matched properly)
05:00:49wombatmannext question is it a limitation of chip8 that you can't press more then one button at a time or are these just really poor control routines in most these games
05:01:39joecoollinuxstb, when does he usually pop in here?
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07:54:20BuschelStrife89: reagrding your aac-file that shows the failure after ~30s -> is this also happening when using libfaad with <r27225 ?
07:55:12Strife89Funnily enough, I don't know. Give me a bit to investigate.
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08:07:17Muhdtesting, testing
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08:14:02amiconnBuschel: Regarding your patch - does it already use iram differently depending on the amount of available iram?
08:14:24amiconnAka, is there any reason to test on both MCF5249 and MCF5250?
08:14:34Buschelamiconn: yes, there is
08:14:58Buschelespecially in dct and sbr filter coefficients
08:15:29amiconnIs that patch from pastebin in fs now?
08:17:31amiconnDo you need speeds for PP5020 and PP5002 as well?
08:17:55Buschelif you are able to give them a try this will be great.
08:18:07Buschel(and have the time, of course)
08:18:29*amiconn builds latest svn to get a correct base first
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08:18:58amiconnPP5020 is nasty wrt iram optimisation
08:20:28Buschelhave to leave now, see you later
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11:12:53CIA-6New commit by wodz (r27355): HD200 - Add delay when leaving bootloader USB mode. Add more comments in bootloader.
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12:11:54S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: What is the status of "FS #11429 - Improved sector cache / Remove on-stack and in-struct sector buffers / Align storage accesses"?
12:12:09S_a_i_n_tHas it any positive/negative effects?
12:12:42TheSevenit seems to be a bit slower than what rockbox is currently doing for some reason, especially when running test_disk
12:12:48TheSeventhat would need to be investigated
12:13:17TheSevenright now it seems to be stable, but I can't recommend it because it doesn't really have a positive effect right now
12:15:24S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Awesome, thanks. I was just wondering if it was needing to be tested more on-device before it saw the light, or if there was something holding it back.
12:15:59TheSeventesting on multivolume/multidrive would be helpful
12:16:41S_a_i_n_tAlas, I have no multivolume DAPs :/
12:17:50TheSevenme, too, that's the problem
12:19:15mitkI have two: clip+ and fuze v1. What test do you need? Speed with/without patch?
12:20:33TheSevenno, stability
12:20:42TheSevenit'll either just work or fail terribly
12:20:52TheSeven(there might be some volume/drive mixup)
12:22:12mitkYou mean multiple runs of test_disk and looking for freezes and file system corruptions or just using DAP with patch?
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12:23:23mitkand which target you prefer? Both?
12:23:48TheSevenif something is wrong, it would probably crash during boot or during any external storage access
12:23:53TheSevenwhich target shouldn't matter
12:24:19TheSevenif corruption will happen, you'll notice that rather soon
12:25:02mitkOk, I'll give it a try during weekend
12:29:53mitkTheSeven: Last one question. Do I have to change bootloader?
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13:56:18bor_kaStrife89, ping?
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13:58:31mitkTheSeven: Should I patch against an specific revision?
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14:22:53pamauryafter investigating the clip+ usb problem, I finally concluded that for an unknown reason, there is tranfer error somewhere. The data sent by the device (supposed to be at least) is the one received by the host (but it seems it is always the same !) Out of luck, this data causes a linux protocol error because the header length does not match the one announced by the data. What happen after this is a mystery but the origin is clear.
14:23:09pamaury*is not the one received
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17:57:14LordTrollwhat is rockbox?
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17:57:59S_a_i_n_tLordTroll: ^
17:58:48LordTrollI own a sans fuze
17:59:27LordTrollthanx mate
17:59:33LordTrollI'll che it asap
18:00:39LordTrollare there any videos teaser?
18:01:50S_a_i_n_tNot that I know of.
18:03:45S_a_i_n_tThere is however, a simulator:">
18:03:51bluebrotheryou might find some at youtube. There are no official videos though (what's the point of such viceos anyway?
18:03:55S_a_i_n_tFuze V1"> V2
18:04:21LordTrollah ok thx
18:04:31S_a_i_n_t(possibly the same SIM actually...)
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18:04:57S_a_i_n_tThe simulators will give you the best idea of the look & feel of rockbox.
18:05:32LordTrolldoes rock box got the european law about volume?
18:06:05Strife89bor_ka: Pong.
18:06:31bluebrotherwhat law about volume?
18:06:53evilnick_Bbluebrother: Isn't there some volume limiting law in some Euro countries?
18:07:02TorneVarious EU countries limit maximum volume in various ways
18:07:24TorneThe EC were going to pass a global limit, not sure if that actually happened yet
18:07:41Torneipods in europe are limited to 100dB because of France
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18:08:37bluebrotherS_a_i_n_t: new theme editor binaries uploaded
18:09:06S_a_i_n_tthanks, linky?
18:09:16TorneLordTroll: we don't sell a product, so we are under no obligation to comply with that kind of thing
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18:09:49bluebrotherS_a_i_n_t: the usual one ;-)
18:10:14LordTrollVERY WELL
18:10:27LordTrollI'm checking with antiviruss
18:10:41LordTrollthe sim
18:11:24S_a_i_n_tI'm quite sure there is no need to do that ;)
18:11:34LordTrollme 2
18:11:51LordTrollnothing personal, you know
18:11:52bluebrotherS_a_i_n_t: wait, I haven't checked the theme editor binary for viruses! ;-)
18:12:17Tornethere is, however, no need to *tell us* about it. please keep it ontopic :)
18:12:49S_a_i_n_tHmmm...what's this "MyDoom.exe" doing here... <click-click>
18:12:51LordTrollhey.. I'm a troll.. !
18:17:31LordTrolltotal free
18:17:44LordTrollas far as I can check
18:17:51Tornesee above
18:17:51S_a_i_n_tcongratulations, we're not trying to kill your PC ;)
18:17:52LordTrollwell done guys!
18:18:45LordTrollsince I download a lot of stuff I need to take almost a quickk scan each times
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18:20:20S_a_i_n_tYep, great. Offtopic however.
18:20:50LordTrollajaja sotty :) It growth your reputation anyway
18:21:13mtLordTroll: This channel is logged so that other people could find information quickly, if you want to chat about off-topic stuff please do it in -community
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18:21:27LordTrollok ok ok ! sorry :|
18:23:24S_a_i_n_tbluebrother: Thanks for the link btw, appreciated.
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18:24:51bluebrotheryou're welcome
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18:48:04Buschelamiconn: could you already perform the tests on your MCF5250?
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20:09:15amiconnBuschel: ping (see fs task)
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20:11:43Buschelamiconn: thanks! pretty impressive for the MCF5250
20:14:26BuschelStrife89: it looks like your file is faulty. i cannot find a way to get it played back safely
20:14:52BuschelStrife89: maybe the other decoder you've tried is more error resistant
20:14:56Strife89The friend's iPod's disk probably had some corruption, then.
20:15:07Strife89I suspected as much, anyway.
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20:26:41amiconnBuschel: Unfortunately we need at least another factor of two in order to make it useful
20:27:12funmanStrife89: where is the file?
20:29:13Buschelamiconn: yep, but I'll submit it anyway
20:32:41CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27358): Submit FS #11461. Major speedup for aac he profile (PP5002 +20%, PP5020 +15%, PP5022 +19%, MCF5249 +35%, MCF5250 +80%), still not realtime on most ...
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20:33:05*Buschel knocks on wood
20:34:20CIA-6r27358 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (Buschel committed)
20:35:22Buschelargh... :/
20:38:03amiconnWhy does that build still use old-abi?
20:38:28funmanno one tested it
20:38:30*Buschel loves and hates IRAM tweaking (loves=easy to speed up things, hates=thousands of variants to cope with)
20:38:43gevaertsdidn't domonoky test it and find problems?
20:38:51funmanoh right, buttons do not work
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20:39:22amiconnThere is a comment saying so, but I don't understand what happens
20:39:47amiconniPod color/photo does use eabi, buttons do work, and it has the same button circuitry...
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20:42:53*amiconn prods domonoky1
20:44:40pixelmaI thought 4th gen Ipod did not use eabi because it ran unstable even with the old toolchain and current SVN (and hence couldn't be tested easily)?
20:48:03*domonoky1 looks around..
20:49:06domonoky1ah the ipod 4th gen.. i tested it again, any my buttons also dont work in the OF, so its my ipod not eabi :-)
20:49:34CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27359): Fix red. Remove a small array from IRAM that is not critical to performance.
20:51:17CIA-6r27359 build result: All green
20:51:26Buschelhere we go! ;)
21:02:48Buschelamiconn: btw, did you try to use -O2 or -O2 for building the codeclib on your MCF5250?
21:03:04Buschel-O2 or -O3, of course
21:10:24amiconnI just applied the patch, nothing else
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21:25:05Buschelmy question wasn't clear. did you try it yet (out of my patch's test)?
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21:41:45funmanlet's move ipod4g to eabi then
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21:44:56CIA-6New commit by funman (r27360): Buildserver: Build ipo4g with eabi
21:46:02CIA-6New commit by funman (r27361): configure: build ipod4g with eabi ...
21:47:35CIA-6r27361 build result: All green
21:48:01funmanBuschel: perhaps r27359 can be reverted then ?
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21:49:46funmangevaerts: advice on ?
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21:51:37gevaertsfunman: not sure. I don't think it hurts much to leave it there. I'd say ask Zagor when he's online next
21:53:13Buschelfunman: maybe, can give it a try? I am working on another aac he patch
21:53:33funmanBuschel: ok
21:53:59Buscheloops, I missed a "you", but you understood what I meant to say ;)
21:54:26funmanBuschel: no problem, i deciphered ;)
21:57:23funmanif i'm counting well, the ipod4g has 0x50 bytes of free iram left after loading aac.codec
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21:58:57CIA-6New commit by funman (r27362): Revert r27359 ...
22:00:36CIA-6r27362 build result: All green
22:01:01Buschelseems to fit now
22:02:15funmancheck the build table: the binsize gain is quite large
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22:17:33funmanbertrik: suggests that the Fuzev2 OF battery life is 22 hours
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22:19:06bertrikok, we're not doing so bad already then
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22:27:26CIA-6New commit by funman (r27363): FS #11466 and FS #11467 by Pierre-Yves Roosens ...
22:29:11bertrikI expected a bit that we would do better than the fuze OF, since we already seem to do better than the clip+ OF
22:29:11CIA-6r27363 build result: All green
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22:30:41funmani'm not sure of the testing procedure he employed, he doesn't give much details
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22:31:14bertrik-15 dB is also rather loud
22:31:22bertrikat least it is on my clip+
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22:34:49likemindeadI have Rockbox 3.6 on an iPod 4th Gen (Color). All of the sudden, when I go to Files>{Artist} - {Album}, the folders are shown as empty. HALP?
22:35:36funmanlikemindead: check your 'show files' setting (have a look at the manual if you don't know how)
22:36:13likemindeadWill do. Thanks! Any idea why it changed? I haven't touched any of the settings before.
22:39:36funmanyou could've changed it with the player in your pocket or any other way; since this setting is available in the quickscreen
22:40:31likemindeadThere's no telling. It's fixed! Thanks again. Rockbox is Teh Awesome.
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22:53:34XqtftqxDo you guys have support/work for any devices i can actually buy at a store?
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22:54:37funmanyour best bet is the Sansas I think
22:57:44*likemindead points Xqtftqx to
22:58:17likemindeadI got a 4th Gen 60GB iPod Color refurbished on there for like $50 USD. ;-]
22:58:32likemindeadBeen using Rockbox on it for two years. Freaking great.
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23:06:18bertrikXqtftqx, the curse of rockbox is that by the time we finish a port, the manufacturer decides to stop selling it
23:06:28Chernthere is a curse?
23:06:38Chernlike a timebomb?
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23:07:04Chernsorry for my english
23:07:48bertrikI have a clip+ and for me it's been working very well so far, and it
23:07:59bertrik's still in the stores (a sansa clip+ I mean)
23:08:09Chernso there is no curse?
23:08:29Bagderits a cursed curse, it doesn't always work!
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23:09:08Chernwhill the curse touch my Ipod nano?
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23:09:42funmanit did already, since it's not in the stores anymore
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23:10:27likemindeadThey are joking, Chern.
23:10:37Chernso there is no curse?
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23:14:01Chernthank you likemindad
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23:39:11preglow_Buschel: sweet work on aac :)
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23:39:31Buschelthanks :o)
23:39:39Buscheland more will come in a minute
23:40:04Chernthats what she said
23:42:23CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27364): More work on libfaad's aac he decoder. Resort table to allow more efficient load access.
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23:43:20Buschelargh, just deleted my local asm optimization... :/
23:43:34*Buschel gets himself another beer
23:43:57mtthat's nasty
23:44:03Buschelit is :/
23:44:08CIA-6r27364 build result: All green
23:44:27*preglow hugs local git repos
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23:45:28*Buschel hugs his beer :)
23:47:49*mt shoots wma pro with a nuclear gun whatever that is
23:48:07*Buschel has the same feelings about libffad
23:48:28preglowyeah, still feels like a dirty lib
23:48:44preglowthink i'll join you with some alcohol
23:48:55Buschelpreglow: good idea
23:49:53n00b81Chern: RISC ftw.
23:50:00ChernRISC > CISC
23:52:24preglowah, the many things in life that do not matter :>
23:52:39Chernmatters a lot
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23:55:05preglownever managed to get a straight opinion going, i prefer m68k which is neither
23:55:13preglowi do hate x86 asm tho :>
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23:55:33bieberHeh, x86 is the only asm I've ever used
23:55:46preglowyeah, i used to be in that unfortunate circumstance too
23:55:48ChernPPC ftw
23:55:49bieberAre the others that much better?
23:55:50pregloweverything else beats it handily
23:56:09preglowboth in terms of instruction set and overall power
23:56:14PSPdemonPPC <3
23:56:21PSPdemonARM <3
23:56:26PSPdemonanything else meh
23:56:37preglowarm's ok, but 68k has something special goin
23:56:45Chernthe only reason x86 is still around is because swapping commericially will cost shit
23:56:48preglowespecially with emac <3
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