| 00:00:00 | Luca_S | so now all targets use eabi by default? doesn't that count as a MajorChanges ? :) |
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| 00:02:46 | funman | it's not so visible so i don't know |
| 00:04:30 | Luca_S | funman: is it possible that PLLB is enabled on ams sansas but not used for anything? |
| 00:04:38 | Luca_S | I mean in current rockbox |
| 00:04:50 | preglow | eabi really doesn't matter much for user |
| 00:04:51 | preglow | s |
| 00:04:54 | Luca_S | I didn't do the power measurements i planned yet |
| 00:05:16 | Luca_S | but IIRC someone else (bertrik?) already tried that and found little-to-none difference |
| 00:06:47 | Luca_S | so I was thinking that maybe is already enabled, though unused... |
| 00:07:39 | funman | Luca_S: it should be disabled, check the debug menu (hw info i think) |
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| 00:08:49 | Luca_S | it says 0Mhz - CGU_PLLB = 00001000 |
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| 00:13:40 | Xqtftqx | PSPdemon, my phone now has Ubuntu on it :P |
| 00:13:43 | Xqtftqx | your HTC can suck it |
| 00:14:03 | Xqtftqx | wrong channel lol |
| 00:14:53 | PSPdemon | ORLY? |
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| 00:16:23 | funman | Luca_S: you have the as3525 datasheet to check the bits of CGU_PLL* ? |
| 00:19:35 | * | preglow comforts his htc |
| 00:20:28 | Luca_S | no, I don't, and I don't think I would be able to understaind it at all :) gotta go now, see you tomorrow |
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| 00:41:29 | * | Buschel needs help |
| 00:41:46 | Buschel | can anyone see the error on this arm asm? -> http://www.pastebin.org/387867 |
| 00:42:31 | Buschel | the decoded sound is pretty similar to the non-asm version. but it is distorted somehow |
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| 00:44:08 | funman | it's not using 'out' ? |
| 00:44:25 | Buschel | that's an index |
| 00:44:55 | funman | an unused one, it's only used outside the loop but incremented in the loop |
| 00:52:41 | bluebroth3r | bieber: are you using Qt Creator for editing the project file? |
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| 00:53:51 | Buschel | funman: the logic was a bit weird, but even using a more straight forward solutuin does not solve the issue... |
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| 00:54:29 | Buschel | *solution |
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| 00:59:10 | bieber | bluebroth3r: Yes, is that a problem? |
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| 01:37:44 | AzureSky | is it a known issue that rockbox fuze v1 is slower then OF when moving files to/from the device? |
| 01:40:19 | AzureSky | 1.7MB/s for rb, 4.2MB/s for OF....... |
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| 01:58:48 | Buschel | funman: me stupid. took me 2 hours to see it... :/ |
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| 06:38:11 | * | Dhraakellian wonders why rockbox on his FuzeV1 has started freezing occasionally within the last few weeks |
| 06:38:23 | Dhraakellian | playback, at least |
| 06:39:02 | Dhraakellian | even got a whitescreen and data abort today at work, but that doesn't usually happen |
| 06:39:28 | Dhraakellian | (and, no, I didn't have time to write down the error) |
| 06:40:15 | Dhraakellian | wonder if it has anything to do with the advent of USB support, since the timeframes seem about the same |
| 06:40:34 | Dhraakellian | wish I had a better idea of what sort of stuff was triggering it |
| 06:40:56 | Dhraakellian | happens with both ogg vorbis and mp3 |
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| 06:51:15 | AzureSky | weird |
| 06:51:21 | AzureSky | i just got my v1 8gb fuze |
| 06:51:34 | AzureSky | so havent had much test time yet with it..... |
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| 07:28:49 | Tarvis | Quick question |
| 07:29:02 | Tarvis | Is the RockBox Theme Editor (UI) incapable of drawing images right now? |
| 07:29:19 | bieber | Tarvis: No, it should draw them fine |
| 07:29:33 | Tarvis | They show in the UISimulator but not in the editor |
| 07:29:48 | bieber | I think, though, that you have to have a .cfg file open in order for them to be found |
| 07:29:56 | bieber | Can you give me a little more detail on your situation? |
| 07:30:20 | Tarvis | Ah, let me try that then |
| 07:31:25 | Tarvis | Ok cool, it works |
| 07:34:41 | bieber | I'm going to be doing some work on getting the UI a little nicer this week, I'll see if I can get it to find image files without needing an open project file |
| 07:35:03 | bieber | Right now it should render pretty much everything, with the exception of touch areas, which I'm about to implement |
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| 07:43:46 | Tarvis | I have one case where an image file is drawn if album art is present |
| 07:43:52 | Tarvis | However the image isn't drawn |
| 07:44:01 | Tarvis | In the same part of the conditional, a viewport is also toggled on |
| 07:44:13 | bieber | Show me the line in question? |
| 07:44:52 | Tarvis | %?C<%xd(G)%Vd(a)%Cd|%Vd(b)> |
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| 07:45:24 | Tarvis | the image G isn't drawn |
| 07:45:37 | Tarvis | and it seems no other images are (save for background) are |
| 07:45:42 | Tarvis | They do in the UISim, however |
| 07:46:07 | bieber | Hmm |
| 07:46:17 | bieber | Does xd(G) work outside of that conditional? |
| 07:46:19 | Tarvis | Perhaps I can send you the theme in question? |
| 07:46:50 | bieber | Please do |
| 07:46:52 | Tarvis | No, it does not |
| 07:47:02 | bieber | Okay, then it's probably an issue with loading the image |
| 07:47:02 | Tarvis | Alright, let me put it in an archive |
| 07:47:05 | bieber | robby@bieberphoto.com |
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| 07:47:29 | bieber | And here I was thinking I had rendering down :P |
| 07:47:50 | Tarvis | It should be noted that the accompanying .sbs does it just fine |
| 07:49:28 | bieber | Does the SBS use that image? |
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| 07:52:24 | Tarvis | Sort of |
| 07:52:33 | Tarvis | It also has many other images that tit loads that the .wps doesn't |
| 07:52:36 | Tarvis | Not that specific one though |
| 07:52:38 | Tarvis | it* |
| 07:52:46 | Tarvis | I think it doesn't load the one because it doesn't load any |
| 07:53:37 | bieber | I'll just have to see the theme |
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| 08:06:51 | Tarvis | Okay |
| 08:06:56 | Tarvis | Note that it needs the font pack |
| 08:07:18 | bieber | No worries, I've got that installed |
| 08:08:32 | Tarvis | http://www.mediafire.com/?mtdyzn0nimf |
| 08:09:00 | Tarvis | and see here for what it should ideally look like |
| 08:09:01 | Tarvis | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24991.0 |
| 08:09:20 | Tarvis | With art loaded, like the left image (but with a black box instead of art) and center image with no art |
| 08:09:49 | Tarvis | Like I said, the theme editor doesn't seem to show any images (except for the backdrop) on the .wps, but it does for the .sbs |
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| 08:13:08 | simonrvn | bieber: do the fonts render for you properly in the editor? |
| 08:13:22 | bieber | simonrvn: Yes, as far as I can tell |
| 08:13:29 | bieber | Tarvis: You're right, no images seem to be loading in that theme |
| 08:14:00 | simonrvn | hm, they don't for me, and the the AA (anti-aliasing) is gone too. maybe that's changed now. lemme make sure. |
| 08:14:54 | Tarvis | Maybe the theme editor doesn't know about the fullscreen viewport? |
| 08:14:59 | bieber | Tarvis: I'll look into that tomorrow or Sunday, hopefully it'll be a simple fix. Thanks for finding that for me |
| 08:15:11 | bieber | Tarvis: You're not rendering those images in the default viewport, are you? |
| 08:15:21 | Tarvis | I am, is that bad? |
| 08:15:47 | bieber | I've been told that the default viewport is supposed to be hidden when any other viewport is opened, so my renderer does that, which I'm sure is why your images aren't showing up |
| 08:15:54 | simonrvn | hm. nope. still the same. doesn't display the right characters. |
| 08:16:03 | Tarvis | I see |
| 08:16:33 | Tarvis | While it still seems to work in both the sim and an actual DAP, I have a feeling it isn't supposed to |
| 08:16:41 | simonrvn | bieber: i should ask though. have you implemented alternate font rendering? |
| 08:16:41 | Tarvis | So I think I'll go and fix that |
| 08:16:46 | bieber | I know SVN Rockbox doesn't do that, though, and I don't know if JdGordon1 is going to change that while he's working on RB's renderer. If he doesn't, I'll just have it display in the theme editor regardless |
| 08:17:03 | simonrvn | a la %Fl(Font-Name.fnt,3) |
| 08:17:18 | simonrvn | oops, backwards... |
| 08:17:27 | bieber | simonrvn: Yeah, the new format switched the order |
| 08:17:31 | Tarvis | Actually, I haven tested a recent version/SVN on an actual DAP lately, so maybe it doesn't there either... |
| 08:17:45 | bieber | Also, do you have your font directory set in the preferences panel? |
| 08:17:49 | simonrvn | %Fl(7,14-Sazanami-Mincho.fnt) (in my file i have it correct =) |
| 08:17:57 | Tarvis | But it's probably a good idea to do it in case he does decide to do it |
| 08:18:10 | simonrvn | bieber: i tried both the bdf and the fnt. wasn't sure which to use... |
| 08:18:46 | bieber | simonrvn: It is the fnt, and that font is showing up garbled for me |
| 08:18:57 | bieber | Odd, that's the first one I've seen do that |
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| 08:19:17 | bieber | Oh crap, does that font have a really large character set? |
| 08:19:20 | simonrvn | ah ok. so it isn't just me. i'm suspecting it's because it's unicode. |
| 08:19:36 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm trying to use ones that have a wide ranger. |
| 08:19:40 | simonrvn | range* |
| 08:19:44 | bieber | They're all in unicode |
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| 08:19:55 | simonrvn | range is what i meant, sorry. |
| 08:20:02 | Tarvis | Anyway, I have noticed that the default viewport doesn't seem to exist in Status Bars |
| 08:20:05 | bieber | When I was doing font rendering, though, I completely forgot to implement support for larger fonts :/ |
| 08:20:07 | Tarvis | Maybe that's what he meant? |
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| 08:20:39 | simonrvn | oh, so that's probably why it's coming out garbled. |
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| 08:20:58 | bieber | That's gotta be it |
| 08:21:00 | simonrvn | i thought i did something wrong =) |
| 08:21:17 | bieber | If you have more than 65,500 characters it's going to freak, lemme check it real quick to see if it's over the threshold |
| 08:21:24 | CIA-6 | New commit by wincent (r27368): pdbox: Now backlight does not fade out −− making music requires attention. |
| 08:21:25 | bieber | I'll add that to my bugfix list |
| 08:21:25 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:21:47 | Tarvis | I guess the simple solution is to make my OWN fullscreen viewport |
| 08:21:54 | Tarvis | That's what I did for the status bar, anyways' |
| 08:21:55 | pixelma | bieber: this channel is logged, so posting a full e-mail address here isn't such a great idea |
| 08:22:27 | bieber | Tarvis: If you're compiling from source, commenting out line 54 in graphics/rbviewport.cpp should make the default viewport show |
| 08:22:35 | bieber | pixelma: That occurred to me about a minute after I posted it :( |
| 08:23:17 | CIA-6 | r27368 build result: All green |
| 08:23:38 | pixelma | maybe a Swede (that has access to the logs, like e.g. Bagder) could help out |
| 08:23:55 | Tarvis | Badger: You awake? |
| 08:23:56 | * | simonrvn hopes bieber's email doesn't get abused |
| 08:24:18 | Tarvis | Anyway, defining my own fullscreen viewport worked |
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| 08:26:08 | bieber | Tarvis: For what it's worth, I think the rationale behind hiding the default viewport is to allow you to do things like loading fonts and images and declaring touch areas without worrying about it affecting your text formatting |
| 08:26:31 | Tarvis | I see |
| 08:26:39 | Tarvis | All my text elements are in their own viewports already |
| 08:26:54 | Tarvis | But it's no big deal |
| 08:27:55 | pixelma | Tarvis: so you have a fullscreen viewport and smaller ones? |
| 08:28:00 | Tarvis | Yes |
| 08:28:12 | Tarvis | One viewport for all the images. and then text viewports for, well, text |
| 08:28:26 | Tarvis | Wherever text is, I make sure images aren't anyways |
| 08:29:02 | bieber | simonrvn: Yep, looks like that font you were using is just a couple characters over the limit |
| 08:29:12 | simonrvn | aah, i see. |
| 08:29:13 | bieber | I'll have a fix for it ready within a couple days |
| 08:29:39 | simonrvn | tyvm, and tyt. it isn't urgent :). |
| 08:29:42 | pixelma | that means you have overlapping viewports which is not recommended as you can run into trouble with updating or render problems (back then it was said "it isn't allowed" |
| 08:30:24 | Tarvis | I see... |
| 08:30:27 | simonrvn | i have one viewport in my theme that overlaps on purpose, for the volume display. |
| 08:30:36 | simonrvn | but only when changing it. |
| 08:31:12 | Tarvis | like I said earlier though, there's nothing under the text viewports, and there's nothing over the images either |
| 08:31:20 | Tarvis | So all it interferes with is the backdrop |
| 08:33:40 | Tarvis | If behavior changes later and starts causing problems, then I will change it |
| 08:43:22 | pixelma | my experience is that it pays off to do it correctly from the start. There were a few occasions when the parser got stricter and you had all these "my WPS doesn't work anymore" which I didn't have. It's your choice, just sharing som |
| 08:43:43 | Tarvis | hmm |
| 08:43:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27369): Theme Editor: Added RBTouchArea class. Touch areas on a theme can now be displayed, but they're not clickable yet |
| 08:43:58 | Tarvis | well, I can get away with only 3 extra viewports, it looks like |
| 08:44:08 | Tarvis | minimum |
| 08:44:20 | Tarvis | multiple images per viewport |
| 08:44:57 | Tarvis | Maybe 4, actually |
| 08:45:33 | CIA-6 | r27369 build result: All green |
| 08:46:39 | Tarvis | the images in the top bar on 1, the status bar on another, and the buttons on the bottom in a third/fourth |
| 08:47:20 | simonrvn | bieber: oh, fyi, the wide-ranged fonts work fine in the sim |
| 08:47:31 | Tarvis | For some reason I figured that I needed one for every VP... |
| 08:47:49 | bieber | RB supports them fine, it's just my renderer that doesn't support it ;) |
| 08:47:58 | simonrvn | yet ;) |
| 08:48:01 | bieber | Yep |
| 08:48:11 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:48:18 | bieber | The structure of the font file is just a little different for fonts that big, and I forgot to check for it |
| 08:48:30 | bieber | I'd fix it now, but I've gotta sleep :P |
| 08:48:52 | simonrvn | ah, i see. g'night, and thanks for looking into it. |
| 08:49:17 | simonrvn | late here too |
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| 09:08:27 | amiconn | Hmm, aac-he qmf looks like emac could help a lot on coldfire |
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| 09:51:31 | Tarvis | hey there jd |
| 09:51:37 | Tarvis | me and Bieber were discussing |
| 09:52:02 | Tarvis | is the fullscreen viewport of the wps supposed to exist even with other viewports defined? |
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| 09:52:50 | Tarvis | It still does in Rockbox, but he says that you said otherwise |
| 09:52:59 | JdGordon | yes, although if the first line of the wps is a new viewport it makes no difference if it does or doesnt |
| 09:53:19 | Tarvis | I see |
| 09:53:39 | Tarvis | Rockbox Theme Editor is set up so that the fullscreen viewport isn't shown at all if there are other viewports defined |
| 09:53:50 | JdGordon | are you sure? |
| 09:53:58 | Tarvis | yes |
| 09:54:18 | Tarvis | <bieber>I've been told that the default viewport is supposed to be hidden when any other viewport is opened, so my renderer does that, which I'm sure is why your images aren't showing up |
| 09:54:47 | JdGordon | irs sucks... :D more misunderstanding |
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| 09:54:58 | Tarvis | irs? |
| 09:55:04 | JdGordon | irc |
| 09:55:04 | Tarvis | what does taxes have to do with this? :P |
| 09:55:32 | Tarvis | so which is proper behavior? and do you plan on changing it? |
| 09:56:32 | JdGordon | the bahviour in rockbox is correct |
| 09:56:33 | JdGordon | and no |
| 09:56:39 | Tarvis | alright then |
| 09:56:48 | Tarvis | I'll have to tell him that later, he isn't on right now |
| 09:57:25 | pixelma | JdGordon: last time you said it shouldn't be possible to draw into the default if other viewports are present |
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| 09:57:46 | JdGordon | that is correct |
| 09:57:47 | Tarvis | I think what he meant is AFTER other viewports are present? |
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| 09:58:09 | Buschel | amiconn: don't hold back with any aac-he emac optimization −− just a factor of 2 is missing ;-) |
| 09:58:10 | pixelma | then the behaviour in Rockbox is wrong currently |
| 09:58:20 | JdGordon | the default viewport logic is just complicated... pastebin your wps |
| 09:58:24 | * | JdGordon back in 15 |
| 09:58:31 | Tarvis | huh? |
| 09:58:36 | Tarvis | it's not a wps problem |
| 09:59:00 | Tarvis | just a debate on whether or not being able to render the fullscreen viewport while other viewports are present is proper or not |
| 09:59:16 | Tarvis | because in Beiber's theme editor, it is not, where in rockbox it is |
| 09:59:41 | pixelma | opinion about this seems to change from time to time |
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| 10:00:03 | bluebroth3r | bieber: using Qt Creator is not a problem. But it explains why lines in the pro file are broken up that weren't broken up when I committed it (i.e. the mac parts) :) |
| 10:00:27 | Tarvis | bluebroth3r: bieber went away a couple hours ago |
| 10:01:06 | bluebroth3r | I don't understand why Creator has to touch those lines at all −− the "new" version simply spreads out the the values over multiple lines, which doesn't make any difference (except it being split up ;-) |
| 10:01:33 | bluebroth3r | Tarvis: I guess he'll see my message in the logs :) |
| 10:01:49 | Tarvis | true, if he reads them |
| 10:02:16 | bluebroth3r | (my original question is around 10 hours old anyway and I was away when he answered :) |
| 10:02:39 | amiconn | Buschel: s/just// |
| 10:03:07 | Tarvis | JdGordon: anyway Jd, my question was (and beiber's too) is should he keep the theme editor the way it is or allow fullscreen viewports to be shown if other viewports are present? |
| 10:03:13 | Tarvis | as the latter is rockbox's current behavior |
| 10:04:36 | AzureSky | is it normal that my fuze(v1) is SLOW on usb when using RB but alot faster when using OF to load it up? |
| 10:04:56 | Tarvis | AzureSky: Sortof. USB support in Rockbox for the fuze is pretty new |
| 10:05:03 | Tarvis | so it's still being worked on |
| 10:05:08 | AzureSky | ok, just checking :) |
| 10:08:22 | AzureSky | its like usb1.1 speeds, reminds me of my ancient generic stick mp3 player, kinda wish there was an option to choose to have it auto load into OF till the usb supports faster rather then having to restart manually and hold the back button :/ |
| 10:08:36 | Tarvis | well, it used to do that I think |
| 10:08:46 | Tarvis | before basic usb support was added |
| 10:08:54 | AzureSky | yeah, my v2 still does |
| 10:09:32 | AzureSky | i just got my v1 today, paid 57.88 for it brand new off http://mertado.com/ the other day :) |
| 10:18:08 | Tarvis | well Im off to bed |
| 10:18:10 | JdGordon | Tarvis: pixelma: the current rockbox code is always "correct" as far as the editor is concerned... (untill the editor is doing the same as rockboox anyway) |
| 10:18:55 | Tarvis | so yes, it is proper behavior? |
| 10:19:57 | JdGordon | if your theme works in the sim then the editor is wrong |
| 10:20:11 | Tarvis | ok then |
| 10:20:18 | Tarvis | I'll tell Bieber about it tomorriw I guess |
| 10:20:33 | Tarvis | he was under the impression that the fullscreen viewport should be hidden if other viewports are defined |
| 10:22:37 | Tarvis | anyway, night y'all |
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| 10:23:10 | JdGordon | not hidden... just they dont draw *text* |
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| 14:18:57 | Kakoon | Hi all, i might have a very simple question, but have some trouble finding the right spot in the rockbox source. |
| 14:20:42 | Kakoon | I have a simple fm transmitter, and for the reason that the stereo signal causes alot of hiss, i want to find a way to somehow compress the signal so that it all fits in the mono part |
| 14:21:03 | Kakoon | and wanted to use rockbox to process this signal and convert it to normal stereo again |
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| 14:21:46 | JdGordon | that doesnt sound like a very good idea |
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| 14:22:08 | JdGordon | the only way you could do that would be to compress each channel enough to fit both in... |
| 14:22:25 | JdGordon | and fm doesnt have much bandwidth per channel to begin with... |
| 14:23:03 | kugel | Kakoon: you usually can't process fm radio as it's directly going to the dac (the CPU doesn't see it) |
| 14:24:10 | Kakoon | aha... and there is no way to catch it realtime? |
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| 14:25:36 | Kakoon | I thought because there is a peak meter and because the sound in the recording screen sounds different from the sound in the fm screen, somehow rockbox receives and processes samples somewhere |
| 14:28:00 | Kakoon | JdGordon: I thought, as a start, trying a simple adpcm algorithm, which normally takes half of the bitrate of normal pcm data, which should be able to fit two channels in one |
| 14:28:06 | Kakoon | ? |
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| 14:32:12 | Kakoon | kugel: rockbox doesn't use a software processor to encode and store the audio? |
| 14:32:44 | JdGordon | not unless we are recording from the radio |
| 14:33:10 | Kakoon | yeah that's what i'm talking about |
| 14:33:57 | Kakoon | i would imagine it's not possible to process it in the fm screen, but would it in the recording screen? |
| 14:34:05 | Kakoon | i mean that's all i need |
| 14:34:25 | Luca_S | Kakoon: if I understand your question correctly, you have a FM transmitter attached to the audio jack of your mp3 player and when feeding it stereo data it adds a lot of noise to the output. Am I correct? If that's what you mean, you could set rockbox to playback audio (mp3 or fm radio, doesn't matter) in mono format. |
| 14:36:05 | Kakoon | luca_s: yeah, that would be a simple solution, no noise, but mono... |
| 14:36:12 | kugel | You could process it in recording mode, but the quality is probably even more reduced |
| 14:36:39 | JdGordon | what is the fm being plugged into? |
| 14:36:57 | JdGordon | rockbox on both ends sounds like you could have a few better options |
| 14:38:09 | Kakoon | Okay i have a desktop pc, with a sound processor on it, encoding stereo and rds, which is sent to a simple fm transmitter. and currently i use a normal stereo set to receive it, but i could use rockbox to receive it on the line in of the stereo... |
| 14:39:18 | Kakoon | but stereo falls away in a range of 5 meters, but mono quality is great |
| 14:39:30 | Kakoon | and i wanna listen to any place in my house |
| 14:39:43 | gevaerts | Get a better transmitter then |
| 14:40:33 | JdGordon | setup a squeezebox then |
| 14:40:36 | JdGordon | or similar |
| 14:40:46 | Kakoon | heh yeah, could be an option, but i wanna do it the cheap and nerdy way xD |
| 14:40:52 | JdGordon | unless you dont care about quality you want to stay away from fm |
| 14:41:29 | JdGordon | which DAP would you be using anyway? |
| 14:41:39 | Kakoon | stereo tool |
| 14:41:59 | JdGordon | on the reciving end |
| 14:42:39 | Kakoon | well, in the end i would want to use rockbox for that? if you mean that... |
| 14:43:02 | JdGordon | rockbox on which mp3 player though? |
| 14:43:11 | Kakoon | sansa fuze |
| 14:43:22 | JdGordon | even if you could do what you want, it would sound like ass anyway |
| 14:43:26 | JdGordon | there are better alternatives |
| 14:43:59 | Kakoon | okay it's just a fun experiment to me, to see how far i could get |
| 14:45:01 | gevaerts | I'd use FSK encoding, and low-bitrate mp3 |
| 14:47:02 | Kakoon | yeah, i wonder how well digital data is received over fm |
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| 14:51:16 | Kakoon | i mean, the max frequency of mono signal is around 16 khz, and how many bits would i be able to decode successfully if i send data shorts, probably not all 16 bits |
| 14:51:25 | Kakoon | far from that |
| 14:55:01 | gevaerts | You're hoping to do straight DA->FM->AD and recover actual data? |
| 14:55:32 | Kakoon | but if i want to send mp3 data over it, 128 kbit/s, say i want to send 8.000 'data' samples per second. then i would need to recognize 128 / 8 = 16 different values = 5 bits / sample |
| 14:55:56 | * | gevaerts recommends studying some signal processing first |
| 14:55:58 | Kakoon | gevaerts: kind of yeah, I think |
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| 14:59:15 | Kakoon | where would signal processing help me here |
| 14:59:33 | Kakoon | i send audio data to the fm transmitter, i receive audio data from rockbox |
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| 15:01:38 | gevaerts | exactly |
| 15:02:12 | Kakoon | but still, theyre samples, with slightly less bit precision because of fm transmission right? |
| 15:02:16 | Kakoon | or am i thinking too simple there |
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| 15:02:22 | gevaerts | you are |
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| 15:02:43 | gevaerts | I'm not a specialist, but I don't think what you want to do is practical |
| 15:03:08 | Kakoon | aha.. |
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| 15:05:57 | Kakoon | but anyway, if i would try this, where should i look in the source code of rockbox? |
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| 15:06:19 | Kakoon | so where do the fm recording samples come in |
| 15:09:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r27370): keyboard: change how charactars are stored in the buffer. ... |
| 15:11:28 | CIA-6 | r27370 build result: All green |
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| 15:42:14 | CIA-6 | r27371 build result: All green |
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| 15:49:22 | funman | kugel: ping |
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| 15:49:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27372): Rename/change SIMVER to APP_TYPE in the Makefiles. ... |
| 15:50:15 | funman | someone propose to send me a fuzev2 which can not be upgraded |
| 15:50:31 | funman | is it ok if i send him back the fuzev2 i have in exchange? |
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| 15:51:15 | kugel | sure |
| 15:51:22 | kugel | you don't need to ask me, it's your fuzev2 :) |
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| 15:52:01 | funman | ah i thought it was a loan for undetermined length ;) |
| 15:52:26 | kugel | isn't that the same? :P |
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| 15:53:23 | kugel | also, if you can fix the upgrade problem you can give me the one you get in case I would like to have it back |
| 15:53:52 | funman | I'll wait a few days before sending him the Fuzev2 in case I can quickly find the problem |
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| 15:59:35 | funman | btw I found why my simulator sometimes stopped updating the screen (sortof) |
| 15:59:46 | funman | it's a problem of my video card, the sim is fine |
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| 16:04:41 | funman | JdGordon: what's the status on fs#11254 ? |
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| 16:25:48 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27373): Revert accidental change (I ran configure from within the tools/database directory). |
| 16:25:56 | JdGordon | whats 11254? |
| 16:26:26 | JdGordon | funman: wasnt it decidded it was a silly idea? |
| 16:26:53 | * | kugel hopes so :) |
| 16:27:13 | funman | JdGordon: why that? I can't see anythign related to silliness in flyspray |
| 16:27:30 | CIA-6 | r27373 build result: All green |
| 16:27:33 | JdGordon | i remember being told off in irc about it |
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| 16:27:49 | funman | by who? |
| 16:28:04 | JdGordon | dont remember |
| 16:29:43 | funman | if it's rejected then please reject the patch on flyspray |
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| 17:30:48 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Ping? |
| 17:32:45 | S_a_i_n_t | SVN rockbox *does* let you draw in the default (fullscreen) viewport) |
| 17:34:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, awesome...sorry, I was skimming through a bunch of backlog and missed JdGordon already saying this. |
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| 17:52:55 | CIA-6 | New commit by saratoga (r27374): Update the text in rockboxdev.sh to make it clear that EABI should be used on ARM |
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| 18:11:37 | Tarvis | Bieber: You here? |
| 18:11:48 | Tarvis | Beiber_: sorry |
| 18:20:41 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27375): Fix red in app builds |
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| 18:22:20 | * | pixelma wonders what app builds are |
| 18:23:10 | pixelma | as in Rockbox as an app? |
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| 18:31:25 | kugel | pixelma: yes |
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| 18:32:00 | kugel | saratoga: do you read logs? adding the eabi change to major changes has been discussed (and rejected) |
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| 18:34:27 | bieber_ | Tarvis: I'm bieber, not sure who beiber is ;) |
| 18:34:51 | Tarvis | heh, oops |
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| 18:35:12 | Tarvis | anyway, JdGordon says that rockbox's current behavior with fullscreen viewports is the proper behavior |
| 18:35:23 | bieber | Yep, I saw the discussion |
| 18:35:27 | Tarvis | I see |
| 18:35:28 | bieber | I'll go ahead and change that tonight |
| 18:35:42 | Tarvis | I guess you do read the logs :P |
| 18:35:57 | bieber | Nah, my client just lets me know when I've been pinged |
| 18:41:45 | * | Dhraakellian wonders if his freezing problems might be theme-related |
| 18:42:09 | Dhraakellian | got it to freeze several times in a row last night |
| 18:42:29 | Dhraakellian | switched back to cabbie from blueblackness, and it played the track without freezing |
| 18:42:43 | Dhraakellian | might be coincidence |
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| 18:46:07 | Dhraakellian | I did have it plugged in to a USB wall wart |
| 18:46:43 | Dhraakellian | but when it happened last night, it was unplugged and connected to the aux in port of a dock |
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| 18:55:15 | simonrvn | sometimes when switching themes my fuze2 freezes very briefly. iimagine it's just something to do with disk access then loading the theme. |
| 18:55:22 | simonrvn | i imagine* |
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| 19:01:44 | kugel | gevaerts: ping |
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| 19:19:30 | gevaerts | kugel: gnip |
| 19:20:36 | kugel | gevaerts: I can now install (and run) RaaA to (from) /usr/local. but I'm not sure what to do about the "user" files (where rockbox needs write access to) |
| 19:21:08 | gevaerts | Yes, that's the hard bit :) |
| 19:21:09 | kugel | installing to $HOME is tricky, because installing to /usr/local means you need sudo and then the user files are created with root permissions |
| 19:21:49 | kugel | how are other apps doing it? some seem to install such user files into /usr/local/share, and override them if they detect something in $HOME |
| 19:22:05 | gevaerts | which user files are we talking about exactly? Themes? |
| 19:22:22 | gevaerts | It should work fine if it's started without anything in $HOME |
| 19:22:27 | kugel | basically all files except the binary, codecs and plugins |
| 19:24:19 | gevaerts | The files that rockbox touches at runtime are all in $HOME I assume |
| 19:25:00 | gevaerts | Those also don't exist after a fresh install I think, so that bit is easy |
| 19:25:12 | kugel | they do |
| 19:25:37 | gevaerts | really? |
| 19:25:39 | kugel | e.g. default themes, but also eq presets, tagnavi and more |
| 19:26:02 | gevaerts | "touch" as in "modify" |
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| 19:26:22 | kugel | you can modify them. isn't that one feature of rockbox? |
| 19:26:46 | gevaerts | *you* can, it's not done automatically (like e.g. the database or settings) |
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| 19:27:06 | gevaerts | I'm just trying to get the requirements right |
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| 19:27:55 | kugel | ok, so only nvram.bin and config.cfg would be written automatically |
| 19:28:20 | kugel | rockbox could create them in $HOME as needed |
| 19:28:58 | kugel | detecting something in $HOME to override the files that came from the installation will require a lot if changes everywhere I think |
| 19:29:51 | gevaerts | I think the ideal way would be that (for .rockbox/ files, not for e.g. audio) RaaA should first look in $HOME and then in the global location when reading, while it should only write in $HOME |
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| 19:31:29 | kugel | well, ideally sure |
| 19:31:36 | gevaerts | Installing anything in $HOME is going to cause trouble at some point. Suppose you install e.g. tagnavi in $HOME, and the user changes it, what do you do with a new version? |
| 19:31:56 | kugel | we have tagnavi_custom for that purpose :) |
| 19:32:00 | gevaerts | hm, that might be a bad example :) |
| 19:32:40 | kugel | that problem exists on target builds too so it may not be a problem |
| 19:33:13 | gevaerts | As a user, I reserve the right to delete any subdirectory in my $HOME, software should still work after that. Same idea with multi-user serups |
| 19:33:16 | gevaerts | *setups |
| 19:33:20 | kugel | I fear this runtime detection could take a large hit on target builds :( |
| 19:33:32 | gevaerts | maybe, maybe not |
| 19:33:41 | gevaerts | It depends on how you implement it |
| 19:34:11 | kugel | well, you cannot hide everything behind preprocessor magic |
| 19:34:37 | gevaerts | If your implementation of open() knows what sort of file it is, it can decide whether or not to look in $HOME first |
| 19:35:06 | gevaerts | And open() has this nice argument called flags. Maybe that could be used |
| 19:35:10 | kugel | I've played a bit around with that already and some places need an additional snprintf whereas currently simply the #define for the path is used |
| 19:35:35 | kugel | we use the host's open() |
| 19:35:46 | gevaerts | but we don't *have* to |
| 19:36:11 | kugel | IMO hacking this stuff into open() would be bad |
| 19:37:23 | kugel | maybe I should concentrate on android, this flexibility with the user files isn't needed there :\ |
| 19:37:51 | gevaerts | I'm not sure. You still want to be able to easily revert to default settings |
| 19:38:50 | * | gevaerts thinks |
| 19:40:12 | gevaerts | I think it's not "basically all files except the binary, codecs and plugins". We should be able to get away with a lot less problem cases |
| 19:42:05 | gevaerts | Aren't most of those user-modifiable files stored in settings with a full path name anyway> |
| 19:42:09 | gevaerts | ? |
| 19:42:54 | kugel | well, if we are not too worred about a few extra snprint's, then things could be made runtime detectable |
| 19:43:37 | gevaerts | Where exactly would those be? |
| 19:43:51 | kugel | gevaerts: some are only saved with the filename (and then only preserved over reboots if they're in .rockbox) |
| 19:44:29 | kugel | gevaerts: grep for the pathes #defined in settings.h |
| 19:44:43 | kugel | there's some additional paths in other files too |
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| 19:46:49 | gevaerts | Are those usually (or even always) the path where the filebrowser is sent to when going to the relevant settings screen? |
| 19:47:23 | Strife89 | Hmmmm, about how much RAM does a Max Playlist Size of 20,000 reserve? |
| 19:47:23 | kugel | no |
| 19:48:00 | kugel | also different parts have their specific files (tagcache, font cache, fm presets, etc) |
| 19:48:49 | gevaerts | tagcache and font cache aren't relevant |
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| 19:52:16 | kugel | it might not be that many areas actually |
| 19:52:40 | gevaerts | All filenames in the config.cfg on my F60 are absolute |
| 19:52:42 | kugel | you mean I should only worry about the files generated by installation that are user-editable, right? |
| 19:53:08 | kugel | gevaerts: strange, maybe it changed a while back but I can't remember anything |
| 19:53:24 | gevaerts | yes. I don't think it makes much sense to support e.g. extra codepages in $HOME |
| 19:53:44 | kugel | I think the font was an example which was only preserved over reboots if it was in .rockbox/fonts (because the .rockbox part of the path wasn't in config.cfg). IIRC |
| 19:53:53 | freddyb | S_a_i_n_t: I posted an updated virtual keyboard patch if you want to try it out. FS #10763. It has a few modes to try out and predicted text with a learning dictionary. I think you'll like most of them better than the status quo. |
| 19:54:21 | gevaerts | I suspect that in most cases the problem is (a) the file browser showing only one location, and (b) the not-preserving-on-reboot feature |
| 19:54:54 | kugel | how would you solve (a)? |
| 19:56:13 | gevaerts | I can see two solutions. One is having a unionfs like thing, the other is having a button to switch between system and user directories in the browser |
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| 19:56:40 | kugel | :\ |
| 19:56:46 | gevaerts | unionfs is of course the ideal solution, but I suspect it's out of scope here |
| 19:57:49 | kugel | wasn't that another gsoc project? :p |
| 19:57:51 | gevaerts | Well, there's a third solution, which is to copy all user modifiable files to $HOME on startup if they're missing, but I don't really like that one |
| 19:57:56 | gevaerts | yes, exactly :) |
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| 19:58:23 | kugel | yea, I also thought of some first run script |
| 19:58:37 | gevaerts | hm, maybe it could be done reasonably nicely |
| 19:59:12 | gevaerts | don't do copies, symlink if possible |
| 19:59:34 | gevaerts | well, it depends... |
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| 20:00:02 | gevaerts | small text files are fine to copy, but fonts can be big |
| 20:00:43 | gevaerts | So yes, maybe a "first run" app/wizard thing |
| 20:01:24 | gevaerts | oh, symlinks also (partially at least) fix the updated files issue |
| 20:01:50 | kugel | they're not available on all platforms though |
| 20:02:02 | kugel | I'd like the sdl app only depend on sdl if possible |
| 20:02:31 | gevaerts | sure, but this is the |
| 20:02:39 | gevaerts | "first run" app, not the sdl app :) |
| 20:03:05 | gevaerts | It could be a shell script, or a java android app, or anything really |
| 20:04:28 | gevaerts | Anyway, that's why I said "if possible". Symlinks solve some real problems, but not critical ones. Not having them means wasting a bit of space and having upgrades (possibly) behave a bit less nicely |
| 20:05:10 | kugel | alright, I need to run now. I'm already going to miss the start of the football game :) Thanks a lot for your input and the ideas |
| 20:05:18 | gevaerts | Have fun! |
| 20:05:35 | gevaerts | The upgrade issue can be fixed by telling users to re-run the wizard after upgrades |
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| 20:18:40 | sinthetek | I don't suppose mp3s have any sort of metadata to mark their length or EOF, huh? |
| 20:19:39 | joecool | probably could be added, i see loads of crap in metadata from time to time on mp3's floating around the nets |
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| 22:15:34 | jennifur | There is a slight problem with the tools/rockboxdev.sh in svn revision 27375. There is a missing " at the end of line 251. I'd do it myself, but i don't have svn write access. |
| 22:17:30 | CIA-6 | New commit by gevaerts (r27376): Add missing quote, and use the right word |
| 22:19:08 | CIA-6 | r27376 build result: 3 errors, 0 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
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| 22:42:08 | TheSeven | mitk: pong |
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| 23:22:25 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r27377): Generalize the application bundle copy workaround to simplify later reuse. |
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| 23:23:56 | CIA-6 | r27377 build result: All green |
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| 23:33:49 | mitk | TheSeven: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100709#13:58:31 |
| 23:34:32 | TheSeven | did you try if it works with r27014? |
| 23:35:15 | * | TheSeven guesses that "->" is in multidrive/volume related code and needs to be replaced by a "." |
| 23:36:02 | mitk | No. It was last svn version. I will try with r27014 then. |
| 23:37:14 | ropeladder | to whomever: i'm getting a repeatable crash using rb on my clip+... i can't find anything like it on flyspray, should i just add the bug? |
| 23:37:49 | TheSeven | sounds like a good idea. |
| 23:38:50 | funman | ropeladder: what is the crash? |
| 23:39:27 | ropeladder | "Data abort at (numbers and letters)" |
| 23:40:12 | TheSeven | how did you trigger that? |
| 23:40:14 | ropeladder | it happens when I try and insert/queue tracks to an existing playlist using the context menu |
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| 23:40:24 | ropeladder | in the database |
| 23:43:05 | funman | let me get my clip+ and see if i can reproduce it |
| 23:47:45 | joecool | been awhile since i used rockbox on 5g ipod, how's battery life (better/worse then stock)? |
| 23:48:59 | joecool | actually nevermind, there's a page with times, i can look at it myself :-\ |
| 23:55:24 | funman | ropeladder: what exactly do you do to crash the Clip+ ? |
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| 23:58:03 | pixelma | he explained it |
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