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#rockbox log for 2010-07-11

00:02:48funmani end up with a 583 items playlist - still playing
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00:03:17funmantry backing up your .rockbox/database_*.tcd, and remove them so you need to regenerate the database
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00:17:32ropeladderfunman: works now, thanks. should i bother reporting anything then?
00:20:09funmannope, database is known to be broken
00:30:03funmanwas sqlite already considered?
00:32:20funmannot sure where the bugs are in the database code anyway
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01:08:47Slasheriknown to be broken? if it's known, then those problems should be reported
01:09:16Slasherias far as i know, there is no known bugs to cause data abort at the moment in the database
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01:16:36gevaertsfunman: sqlite is about ten times as large
01:18:11funmangevaerts: what's the typical binary size of sqlite?
01:18:54gevaertsWith all optional features turned off, 280kb
01:19:20gevaertsactually, that's object size, not linked size, but you get the idea
01:19:37gevaertsYou also need at least about 100kb of RAM for it
01:20:48*gevaerts apologises. It's about eight times as large as tagcache, not ten times
01:26:30funmaneight is about ten, so that still works
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02:06:32wombatmanyea but six is about eight. When does the madness end?
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03:41:08funmanbtw someone will send me a not-upgradable fuzev2 by monday
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05:03:35wombatmanattempt to call global 'printf' (a nil value) <- anyone know why that happens in lua
05:03:42wombatmanfor rockbox
05:04:24JdGordonrockbox doesnt have printf
05:05:30wombatmansure but it's used in helloworld.lua which runs fine and i haven't seen a missing include and i've been going through that for a while now
05:06:06wombatmanthat's helloworld.lua
05:07:10wombatmanim a moron
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06:36:09CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27378): Theme Editor: Fixed rendering behavior of default viewport. Now when other viewports are present in the skin, only _text_ from the default viewport ...
06:37:49CIA-6r27378 build result: All green
06:38:31LacrociousHi. I just installed Rockbox on a sansa Clip v2 and either did something bad or something unknown. It now won't power up - no sign of life, reset (hold power-on for 20+ seconds) doesn't help. Thoughts?
06:39:04JdGordondid the install give any errors?
06:40:10LacrociousNo - Used the installer. Double-checked v2 firmware on the device. Updated to 2.1.53a about 10 minutes before Rockbox. That went without issue using the Sansa updater.
06:40:43LacrociousThe install was successful. Unplugged the clip and it updated the firmware and powered off. It doesn't turn back on after that.
06:41:55JdGordondoes anything happen if yo plug it into usb?
06:44:01LacrociousNo signs of life with plugging into USB, tried various reset options - hold power-on for 20-90 seconds, hold power-on while plug into usb, etc. No lights, no flickers, nothing to indicate any intelligent life remains inside the clip.
06:47:54JdGordonumm, I dont know :(
06:48:02JdGordontry the forums I think
06:51:20S_a_i_n_tbieber: JdGordon: I saw last night discussion about the default vieport again, and the "only *text* is hidden" part confused me (I had no idea that text was actually hidden in the default viewport). This is only when other viewports are present I assume?
06:51:35LacrociousOk. Thank you. I have read through the forums before trying here. I will drop a post there as well. It's rather late (at least where I am). Would others be here that might be able to help if I try earlier in the evening tomorrow?
06:51:58JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: the default viewport stuff is a mess... really the only way to know what is happening is to look at the code
06:52:19JdGordonLacrocious: this channel is mostly active during daytime europe hours
06:52:42S_a_i_n_tI *thought* I knew how it worked fine, I just want to clear it up for bieber's sake.
06:53:07bieberatm, that's how mine is handling it
06:53:15S_a_i_n_tI was under the understanding that all drawing was allowed in the default viewport.
06:53:18bieberI can just as easily make it render text too, if that mirrors RB's renderer better
06:53:51*JdGordon is slowly getting text rendering working in rockbox :)
06:53:53JdGordonthe bugger isnt working properly though
06:53:58S_a_i_n_tI'd need to check it on device or sim which I can't do ATM, but I'm pretty sure test can be drawn in the default viewport as well.
06:54:44JdGordonnot if other viewports are defined
06:54:46JdGordonthat I am CERTAIN of
06:54:51JdGordonimages and other stuff is iffy
06:54:57S_a_i_n_tNot to me.
06:55:06S_a_i_n_tImages can de drawn, definitely
06:55:23JdGordonhave you learnt c yet? :)
06:55:54*S_a_i_n_t refers to JdGordon's comment that "SVN behaviour is "correct" " :P
06:56:07LacrociousJdGordon: Thank you - I will hit the forums and try back here at a better time. - L
06:56:08S_a_i_n_tit works on device and sim, this is gospel ;)
06:56:52JdGordonhehe, I meant (above) that I know for sure text doesnt get drawn in the default vp if other vps are defined, and I'm not sure how images and other stuff work
06:57:37S_a_i_n_tDidn't you write most (if not all now) of that code?
06:57:43S_a_i_n_t...that's beautiful :P
06:58:25JdGordonwell... actually.. :'(
06:59:53JdGordonbieber: I havnt been able to update the editor in ages... but... have you done the config panel so we can change tag values more easily? like with freetext?
07:00:53bieberI have removed all the redundant crap: i.e. setting the value for play position will change the values for percent played and time left
07:01:05bieberI haven't made the free entry dialog yet, I'll get that in soon
07:01:12JdGordonawesome :)
07:01:27bieberThere's also a timer now that will automatically advance time variables for you
07:01:38JdGordonI need to find free net access so I can download qt4 here :p dont want to chew through my whopping 500mb alloance for it
07:04:10JdGordongloria geans in the shopping center and the library around the corner apparently has.. but im lazy :p
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07:04:34S_a_i_n_tAh yeah, library...*facepalm*
07:06:11bieberJdGordon: Is that your bandwidth per month? :O
07:06:28JdGordonim stuck using my mobile phone untill I get a real connection
07:07:53bieberOh, lol
07:08:02bieberI was about to ask if you were using your cell phone as a joke :P
07:12:12CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27379): Theme Editor: Added support for larger fonts
07:12:24biebersimonrvn: Fixed that font bug :)
07:12:40simonrvn\o/. thank you
07:13:42CIA-6r27379 build result: All green
07:16:50JdGordontext rendering works :)
07:16:50JdGordononce alignemnt works I'll need testers...
07:20:52simonrvntext rendering in?
07:21:14S_a_i_n_trockbox perhaps? ;)
07:21:24S_a_i_n_t(new skin parser)
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07:27:27simonrvnhaha! wasn't sure if it was the sim, or the editor, or somethig else :).
07:28:33S_a_i_n_tit's JdGordon's running battle to insert the new skin parser into SVN rockbox.
07:28:40S_a_i_n_t'tis a brave man.
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08:19:27JdGordonwoo! text alignment all working :)
08:22:30S_a_i_n_thuh...manual doesn't appear to have the playlist-viewer in it. :/
08:22:35S_a_i_n_tUnless I'm blind.
08:23:53JdGordonwhich playlist viewer?
08:24:08S_a_i_n_tthe WPS/SBS one
08:24:12S_a_i_n_t%Vp is it?
08:24:14*S_a_i_n_t forgtes
08:24:44S_a_i_n_thuh,'s in CustomWPS but not the manual.
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08:29:02JdGordonhardly surprising :p
08:29:13JdGordonwhere the hell does the sbs backdrop get set?
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08:30:34*S_a_i_n_t guesses that " the .sbs?" is not an appropriate answer...
08:32:46pixelmahardly surprising if someone specific doesn't care about the manual not even write up a description as text or file a bug report...
08:34:22JdGordonsomeone get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
08:34:39pixelmanot at all
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08:42:32JdGordonwoo! OK I'm ready for testers :)
08:44:03S_a_i_n_tsame FS# I can try it out later on tonight?
08:44:28JdGordonI'm about to upload the patch, yeah
08:46:53JdGordonno. new task :)
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08:50:29JdGordonthere isnt any danger of that getting commited just yet, but testing would be very helpful
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09:05:32*JdGordon hopes that actually patches against svn... git isnt playing nice with him
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12:34:15saptarshican anyone tell me what the dict plugin is for?
12:34:23saptarshiis it a dictionary?
12:34:45saptarshibt somehow i acn't get it to work
12:34:54simonrvnsee the wiki
12:35:58simonrvnit's under the plugins section
12:36:25saptarshiyeah... ok... i was wondering whether i need to download some extra files
12:36:47S_a_i_n_tyes, you do.
12:37:48saptarshiohh... i think i know what i need to do now... thanks
12:39:07S_a_i_n_tyou'll end up with 2 files, dict.desc and dict.index if you follow the wiki correctly
12:40:22saptarshiokay... i've found the right link and i'm doing these steps now... thank you
12:41:05S_a_i_n_tIf you're intersted in a dictionary though, and can sompile yor own build I reccommend the Dict2 patch on the tracker
12:41:22S_a_i_n_tFS #6697
12:42:24S_a_i_n_tthe built in dictionary is all well and good, but there's no search feature in it...and that's something I like to have personally.
12:43:20simonrvn<ot>flyspray has some funky (fun) cookie names</ot>
12:43:54saptarshiohh... i'll look into that too
12:44:31S_a_i_n_tDict2 doesn't replace Dict so, both can live in harmony on the one DAP if need be.
12:49:28simonrvnneeds a re-sync :/
12:49:41S_a_i_n_tOne sec.
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12:50:52simonrvngrabbed the one from 18/06/2010
12:51:07simonrvnthank you very much
13:12:40simonrvndoh me... -p0...
13:12:55S_a_i_n_theh, yeah.
13:13:20*S_a_i_n_t is an SVN man, none if that -p1 git stuff :P
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14:24:24amiconnwodz: (for the logs):"> :D
14:24:47amiconnIt compiles, but is otherwise untested of course
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14:33:37CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27380): Refacture parts of libfaad filterbank. Faster windowing for 8-short-window sequences.
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14:37:03CIA-6r27380 build result: All green
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14:59:51JdGordonbieber: I might have found a parser bug... for some reason my callback is being called with the same element twice, once for LINE and then later on for TEXT?!
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15:07:05bieberJdGordon: A line of text will always be parsed as a TEXT element as a child of a LINE element, if that's what you mean
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15:07:39JdGordonright, but somehow the callback is sending the same element for both... I'm trying to figure out why
15:07:48JdGordonit is probaly my bug not yours though :p
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15:08:21amiconnBuschel: I may have something for cf - let's see whether it works...
15:08:36bieberThat is odd
15:08:39JdGordonit is very wierd.. it only seems to happen on one of TEXT elements though
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15:09:20Buschelamiconn: good news. but: hopefully you won't change anything in sbr_dct.c?
15:09:35*Buschel is working on this file for optimization
15:09:38amiconnNo, just sbr_qmf.c
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15:20:19mitkTheSeven: r27014 with second patch from FS #11429 doesn't build for me so I can't test it for you.
15:20:50TheSevendid you try replacing that "->" it complains about by a "."?
15:21:26mitkNo. I'll try.
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15:22:25JdGordonbieber: haha ignore me :) 81d6db0 != 81d6bd0
15:22:39JdGordondamn close when you are looking through a log of 50 of them though :)
15:22:47amiconnHmm. EFUNNYSOUND :\
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15:30:25mitkTheSeven: Which one in dir->file->drive
15:31:06TheSevenI'd guess dir->
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15:37:17mitkTheSeven: No success.
15:38:18TheSevenhmm this looks like it didn't build sectorcache.c
15:38:26*TheSeven thought he added that to SOURCES
15:39:25TheSevenhm, that hunk seems to be missing from the second patch
15:39:28TheSeventhe first one had it
15:39:38TheSevenjust add common/sectorcache.c to firmware/SOURCES
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15:44:43CIA-6New commit by amiconn (r27381): EMACify HE-AAC QMF on coldfire: 5% speedup on MCF5249.
15:45:41amiconnBuschel: ^^ In absolute numbers: 241.8 -> 230.1 MHz (that's iriver H180)
15:46:22CIA-6r27381 build result: All green
15:46:33BuschelI also found some minor tweaking possibilities in the aac-he dct
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15:47:12amiconnDo you think it's worth doing the same in sbr_qmf_synthesis_32?
15:47:51mitkTheSeven: rockbox/firmware/common/sectorcache.c:37: error: ‘SECTOR_SIZE’ undeclared here (not in a function)
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15:48:06Buschelamiconn: hard to test, I have no file that uses it
15:48:27Buschelamiconn: hmm, but maybe we can force to uses it... not sure though
15:48:37TheSevenadd the following to the top of that file:
15:48:41TheSeven#ifndef SECTOR_SIZE
15:48:46TheSeven#define SECTOR_SIZE 512
15:48:57amiconnOh, so it depends on the file?
15:49:45BuschelI thought so, it used if there is flag set (something like ForceDownsample). I did not investigate where this is set
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15:55:02mitkTheSeven: \o/
15:55:54*amiconn wonders why he committed iq_table.h
15:56:12amiconnI swear I didn't touch it
15:56:25amiconnBuschel: Do you think iq_table.h matters?
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15:58:04CIA-6New commit by amiconn (r27382): Revert accidental change.
15:58:22Buschelamiconn: seems like you used one of my older patches
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15:58:26amiconnThis must have been from some odd patch I tried sometime
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16:04:36CIA-6New commit by teru (r27383): do not redraw menu when exiting the menu.
16:06:11CIA-6r27383 build result: All green
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16:09:20mitkTheSeven: clip+ with your patch is playing music from uSDHC.
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16:40:07CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27384): Further changes to aac-he decoding. Refactor and rearrange dct tabs to be able to use consecutive addresses (this allows additional optimization for ...
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16:59:46aksHi, I have happened upon a chinese (unknown brand) mp4 player, which does not support most formats. I came to know about RockBox from Digit, so thought should ask, is it possible to install RockBox on it?
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17:01:55pixelmaRockbox needs to be specifically made for a certain hardware, so no (and it's not on the list of the targets on the frontpage)
17:01:57bertrikaks, probably not, rockbox has to be customised to a specific player
17:04:09aksok. sounds reasonable. However, I have read (and am currently attempting to find) that using control chip and CPU will help get a newer firmware for that player. If I do get to know the chipset, is there a chance of installing RockBox on it?
17:05:36soapaks, only if you write drivers for said chipset
17:06:15aksok. thanks.
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17:10:03CIA-6New commit by teru (r27385): make language array initialized correctlly with builtin strings when loading .lng file.
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18:02:32Dhraakellianokay, freeze doesn't appear to be caused by theme, given that I got a freeze with another one. Gonna try out filebrowser only, see if it still occurs without DB use
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18:10:18Dhraakellianof course, I could just reinitialize the database and try it that way, but what fun would that be?
18:12:04funmanthere are still people reporting "bricks" when installing / using rockbox on Sansa AMSv2
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18:30:36funmanJdGordon1: ping
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18:46:42CIA-6New commit by funman (r27386): fat.c: fix format specifier in DEBUG build
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18:46:51CIA-6New commit by funman (r27388): pdbox: avoid making own DEBUG clash with rockbox define
18:46:56CIA-6New commit by funman (r27389): enable skin debug only in the simulator ...
18:47:17saratogaamiconn: if you want to speed up AAC-HE, can I recommend looking at fft4 and fft8 as were done for arm here:
18:47:27saratogaeach SBR frame does several FFTs
18:47:35funmanDEBUG build won't boot on fuzev1
18:48:02saratogaand while they are not very fast on CF at the moment, they are used by a half dozen different codecs as well
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18:54:05CIA-6New commit by funman (r27390): skin engine: fix simulator builds ...
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20:07:33funmanhm i can't tell what's wrong with DEBUG builds
20:08:07funmanmy test code runs in crt0.S just before branching to main(), but not in main() itself (same effect with INIT_ATTR deactivated)
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20:11:59funmanthe ldr ip,=main ; bx ip is fucked up
20:14:11funmaneven after changing the branch, the DEBUG build fails somewhere else
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21:20:13bor_kafunman, re bricks and lockups on AMSv2 - can it be caused by the same issue, as glitches on AMSv1?
21:20:29bor_kaWhat do you think about ?
21:21:09bor_kaCan it be so, that some batches of AMSes get inferior memory, that can't handle the clock speed?
21:21:27funmani doubt it
21:21:44funman(that was an answer to your first question)
21:22:01bor_kaOk :)
21:22:14funmanabout the forum thread i've no idea, i'm waiting for ranma too
21:22:53bor_kaOk. Still no panics - will listen for skips, though
21:24:29bor_kaAnd another interesting question: what is "better" - 4bit mode and quarterspeed, or 1bit mode and halfspeed?
21:27:37funmani was hoping you would give me the answer :)
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21:30:06bor_kaIn terms of stablity they are the same. The next important thing - for me at least - is battery time. So, the battery bench is the next thing, I'm thinking of
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21:30:36funmani was wondering about speed
21:31:12funmanbtw speed seems to affect battery life (faster operations = less juice needed)
21:32:37bor_kaBut does "quarterclock" mean less CPU power and less battery drain? Or it is just a multiplier?
21:36:34funmanapparently it is the clock applied to the SD card
21:37:44funmanso 62/31/15.5 MHz if i read correctly, but it should not be higher than 50MHz for highspeed cards and 25MHz for other (like the internal storage)
21:37:53funmanflyndice: we need you!
21:40:05bor_kaNow internal storage is initialized at halfspeed - it means 31 in your series? If so - it is greater than 25
21:41:49funmanI am not sure what is the source clock but if it is pclk (like the AS3525_SD_IDENT_FREQ definition suggests) then it's 62MHz
21:42:30funmanyou could try changing PCLK to 49.6MHz
21:43:39bor_kafunman, thanks, will try tomorrow
21:44:00bor_kaBTW, now uSD at halfspeed works with 31MHz according to the debug menu
21:44:12bor_kaand internal memory at 12MHz
21:45:15funman12 and not 15 ?
21:45:37bor_kayes, 12...
21:46:33funmanhm SD shows 25MHz for me so perhaps i missed soemthign
21:46:43bor_kaIDE - at 49MHz
21:46:52funmanah then it's good
21:47:06funmanand SD_IDENT_FREQ is probably wrong
21:47:31bor_kaI have changed halfspeed to quarterspeed in the internal memory initialization, so I got 25/2 = 12
21:48:01funmanyeah makes sense, i thought that 25 was 31, but SD clock source seems to be IDE clock, not PCLK
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21:57:10funmanand some green delta at the same time !
21:57:39n1sfunman: that was quick!
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21:58:47funmani suppose there is a lot of implementations of this small function in various licences
22:02:22n1si had actually never thought of the case of providing gplv3 binaries while keeping code a mix of gplv2+ and gplv3
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22:05:35funmani don't think we even specify that our binaries are gplv2
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22:06:23funmananyway the GPL is intended to protect developers from proprietary software, not from other open source developers
22:06:59Bagdersure it is! GPL is not open source, its free software! ;-)
22:07:01funmanshould we make a mistake somewhere and not respect fully the code authored by someone else i'm sure it could be solved quickly by discussion
22:07:22*Bagder is just being annoying
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22:09:52funmanBagder: since you're the one who changed comment headers to reflect that rockbox is gplv2+, do you remember if you had researched for GPLv2 only code in rockbox at that time ?
22:10:31Bagderas I recall it, I only changed the headers that matched some criteria, so there could've been some v2 only already then
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23:19:19l0dehello I am having problems installing rockbox on my iphone 4, can anyone assist
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23:20:35bertrikno we can't, rockbox doesn't run on the iphone
23:21:16l0dewell, where can I get a refund for rockbox then?
23:21:40l0deIs there a number to call? I guess it's a sunday
23:22:43gevaertswe don't sell rockbox. If you paid for it, talk to whoever you got it from
23:24:27l0deI bought it from my friend
23:24:36l0dehe said he didn't need it anymore since he got a zune :\
23:24:51gevaertsthen your friend ripped you off
23:25:10l0deno, my friend wouldn't do that
23:28:08l0dethats crazy that you wouldn't support it, their like the most used ipod in the world
23:28:51l0decan I speak to ur supervisor pls
23:29:24gevaertsUr is a city in antiquity. How is that relevant?
23:29:50Kohlrabil0de: are you a troll?
23:29:52l0deyou are being facetious as clearly u can deduce my intent
23:31:08gevaertsDo you have *any* idea what rockbox is?
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23:32:29l0deum yeah, I want to play mp3s on my iphone
23:32:53l0debut I can't find a media player in the app store
23:32:59l0dewhy don't you sell rockbox there?
23:33:09Kohlrabibecause it doesn't work as an app
23:33:11gevaertsWe don't *sell* rockbox, period
23:33:22Kohlrabiget a proper device
23:33:28gevaertsAnd rockbox isn't an app, it's a replacement firmware
23:33:35Kohlrabisansa clips cost as few as 30$
23:33:42l0deI already got an iphone 4
23:33:45l0dethats the best right
23:34:23pixelmaread a bit about the project on . I won't say anything else
23:34:50l0dethat website is just about guitars
23:34:58l0deRockbox Named As Mayones Guitars US Distributor
23:34:58l0deHot new professional level guitars and basses!
23:34:58l0deRockbox Electronics is proud to become the exclusive USA distributor for Mayones Guitars!
23:35:09bertrikl0de, www.rockbox.ORG
23:35:18l0delooks like some sweet guitars tho
23:35:23scorchel0de: cut it out now
23:35:28l0deu see them swirly stompboxes
23:35:33l0deI'm gonna buy one
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