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00:02:09	CIA-6	New commit by Buschel (r27394): Clean up libfaad's sbr-qmf code. Move array to correct #ifdef-path, introduce macro, beautify indentations.
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00:21:35	CIA-6	New commit by rob (r27395): D2: Fix another timing loop that broke when we switched to the EABI compiler, this time in the LCD driver.
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00:37:33	CIA-6	New commit by funman (r27396): strstr(): cosmetics ...
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00:57:59	NRTH	wondering if anyone can give me some assistance here. I've got a Rockboxed e280 (v1) that refuses to boot without holding the REC button down.
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01:00:25	NRTH	Rockbox also will not operate unless the rec button is being held
01:01:15	NRTH	in the rare times I can get the bootloader to properly boot into the original sansa firmware, it operates just fine in that mode. It's only when attempting to use Rockbox that I have errors
01:01:40	NRTH	Was running 3.5.1. Reinstalled the bootloader and installed 3.6 (stable) to see if it would operate properly. It does not.
01:01:45	NRTH	Wondering if anyone can help.
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01:55:47	FlynDice	funman: bor_ka: ( logs) re AMSv1 SD clock speed conversation. I believe from some tests that I ran that IDEclk is what is divided to produce mclk for the pl180 controller that is paired with the internal card. I used test_disk speed test with varying values for IDEclk and the results seemed to indicate that the speed on the internal varied with a direct relationship
01:57:42	FlynDice	while the uSD was constant. I didn't look back too far to see the entire issue your conversation encompassed but I hope that info helps for now
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01:59:52	FlynDice	Sorry to disappear all of a sudded last month but my job situation has changed a bit and my spare time is a bit limited at this point ;/
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04:52:25	S_a_i_n_t	Any Nano owners (preferably with FM hardware), or with a current SVN Nano simulator interested in road testing/crtitique of a new(-ish) theme?
04:53:24	bieber	S_a_i_n_t: Will it run on 1G?
04:53:40	bieber	I have no idea if the subsequent models had the same size screen and such...
04:53:49	S_a_i_n_t	Indeed it will. Wow, do you have a Nano1G?
04:54:11	S_a_i_n_t	Very few seem to like the Nano, where it is my preferred target.
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05:04:51	bieber	Yep, I've had it for like four or five years now
05:05:03	bieber	It's a little worse for wear, but it keeps chuggin' ;)
05:07:11	JdGordon	the nano sucks :)
05:08:42	*	S_a_i_n_t slaps JdGordon
05:08:46	S_a_i_n_t	(hard)
05:09:48	S_a_i_n_t	bieber: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d0ee7c86.html
05:10:13	bieber	Thanks, I'll take a look at it
05:10:23	S_a_i_n_t	(.fms is a little buggy, but ti's a code thing, not a my code thing ;))
05:10:38	bieber	I still need to get around to updating to a Rockbox build that's younger than I am, so I'll give the theme a try when I do that
05:11:36	*	S_a_i_n_t fails to parse that.
05:11:49	S_a_i_n_t	Unless you're a LOT younger than I thought ;)
05:12:51	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: Can I force a font on the rec screen? Or does it just use userfont?
05:12:59	JdGordon	userfont only
05:13:07	S_a_i_n_t	:-/
05:14:41	bieber	S_a_i_n_t: Okay, so my build isn't quite _that_ old, but it's been a while ;)
05:16:36	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm, guess that's not too bad. I'll have to do the alignment with a conditional UI viewport. I can do that with the rec screen...yes?
05:16:41	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: ^
05:16:59	JdGordon	yes
05:17:13	JdGordon	the rec screen isnt very customisable yet.. only the sbs in it
05:17:43	S_a_i_n_t	I noticed, this is the first theme I've bothered themeing the rec screen and fm screen.
05:18:15	S_a_i_n_t	(I sincerely doubt they get used much on the Nano1G, and the 2G has neither)
05:20:44	S_a_i_n_t	the trouble with the rec screen in this theme is that the font is quite large for a Nano theme (16pt) and not all of the items fit on screen so it ends (visually) at "Gain L: X.XdB" making it look like there is no "Gain R: <blah, blah>" etc.
05:22:35	S_a_i_n_t	So, I'll cut off the "Gain L: <blah>" completely with a UI viewport, and it will become apparent that the screen scrolls if the user cares to change the Gain value.
05:22:51	S_a_i_n_t	(not ideal, but more aesthetically pleasig)
05:23:02	S_a_i_n_t	*pleasing
05:26:36	bieber	Yeah, I haven't ever used either of those screens
05:26:52	bieber	RB supports FM accessories on the 1G nano now?
05:27:05	S_a_i_n_t	Has for a LONG time.
05:27:10	bieber	Oh, nice
05:27:31	*	S_a_i_n_t wonders what build bieber is running.
05:27:59	bieber	Hmm, I think I'm gonna go fetch it and find out
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05:29:29	bieber	090927
05:29:39	S_a_i_n_t	WHOAH!
05:29:39	bieber	Not as old as I thought, actually
05:29:49	S_a_i_n_t	still, pretty damn old.
05:30:12	bieber	It's basically an accessory in my car, so I just update it every couple year
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05:35:08	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...conditional UI viewport doesn't appear to be in the manual either.
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05:38:12	S_a_i_n_t	relative to %Vi: What does "If label is set this viewport can be selectivly used as the Info Viewport using the %%VI tag" mean?
05:38:32	S_a_i_n_t	Is it meant to read "%?Vi"?
05:39:07	S_a_i_n_t	Oh, wait...nope facepalm
05:39:13	S_a_i_n_t	Just an extra %
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05:41:49	S_a_i_n_t	If I was to give someone my Wiki-Username, would they be able to give me a gentle reminder as to what my password might be?
05:42:24	*	S_a_i_n_t needs to fix up several errors in the CustomWPS page.
05:43:54	S_a_i_n_t	I have actually been toying with the idea of suggesting that CustomWPS be removed from the wiki.
05:44:14	S_a_i_n_t	Having two sources for WPS tags just leads to confusion, and miss-matches.
05:45:19	S_a_i_n_t	If it were a complete list (which neither CustomWPS or the Manuals currently are) the Manul would be the idea place for these tags to reside IMO
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05:49:43	bieber	S_a_i_n_t: Looking good in the menus, I'll tell you about the WPS when it finishes committing the database :/
05:50:02	bieber	There isn't a script/program out there to build the RB database from a PC, is there? Because that would be really handy
05:50:28	S_a_i_n_t	Awesome, obviously you've noticed my inspiration by now ;)
05:50:41	bieber	Haha, that I have
05:50:55	bieber	I think you could fool me with it, if I didn't already know
05:51:12	S_a_i_n_t	I have done to several people :D
05:51:16	lestatar	hi all, i have a quick rb fuze v2 question please :-)
05:51:20	bieber	Just wish I had album art, so I could see what it looks like with that
05:51:50	S_a_i_n_t	lestatar: Ask away.
05:51:58	bieber	Oh holy crap, you even got the conditional volume bar
05:52:09	lestatar	thanks....will rb playlists "know" if a song is deleted from the device?
05:52:46	S_a_i_n_t	lestatar: Not entirely, the won't *know it's missing, but it will skip it if it can't locate the file.
05:52:59	lestatar	i see...thanks...:-)
05:53:33	lestatar	any chance for some kind of playlists update function to detect and remove missing song entries? or is this in the works since you guys think of everything :-D
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05:54:19	S_a_i_n_t	I don't think so, no. It's fairly trivial to just recreate the playlist after the files have been removed.
05:54:29	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: IMO the manual is the wrong place for the wps definition :) now with the theme editor is should be included in that more than anything
05:54:36	JdGordon	or a seperate pdf or something
05:54:42	JdGordon	it really has no place in the manual
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05:55:04	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...well, do you agree it's a PITA having multiple sources?
05:55:15	S_a_i_n_t	I'm still finding old syntax in CustomWPS
05:55:44	bieber	I'll definitely agree with that one
05:55:57	lestatar	saint, i am not sure i follow...sorry to be dense...i am not referring to the dynamic playlist, but ones i have established and saved on the device.
05:56:24	S_a_i_n_t	So am I, it is very trivial to make a new playlist on the device.
05:56:25	lestatar	if i delete a song from my.m3u8 i understand it will skip when the playlist is playing again..
05:56:47	lestatar	ah, is ee..
05:56:50	lestatar	i see
05:57:08	lestatar	i am sorry...my intention is simply to try and keep the playlists clean...
05:57:23	lestatar	i think i understand what you mean tho...thank you :-D
05:57:38	lestatar	cheers
05:58:13	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: Oh I agree that 2 places is just bad, and alot of the problem with the manual is that TeX is painful and hard to make sure it worked
05:58:16	S_a_i_n_t	The Manual explainsplaylist creation quite well
05:58:37	JdGordon	If we had a script to egenerate the TeX from a .txt file I would happily add tags to that
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05:58:39	lestatar	will def re-read...appreciate it.
05:58:40	JdGordon	the wiki is eaier
05:58:59	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: I'm going through now and making a list tags missing from the manual.
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05:59:31	S_a_i_n_t	I think if it came to a vote, that the manual would win out as being the "best/official source of information"
05:59:48	S_a_i_n_t	IMO, the tags should be there...but, that's just me.
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06:00:01	S_a_i_n_t	it should only be in one place though, that I agree on.
06:01:19	JdGordon	Use the the tag table in eiher parser to check for missing tags
06:01:28	JdGordon	apparently some might be missing in the wiki page also
06:01:35	S_a_i_n_t	I kno what's missing.
06:01:48	S_a_i_n_t	and yeah, some are missing in the wiki
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06:12:55	bieber	JdGordon: I implemented the touch area rendering in my last commit
06:13:03	bieber	I'm going to make them clickable now
06:14:35	JdGordon	coolies :)
06:14:55	JdGordon	Are you planning on adding help for the individual tags?
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06:17:11	JdGordon	if you are then we should use that as the place for skin format stuff... and make that easy to edit
06:17:16	JdGordon	i.e not TeX :)
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06:22:08	[Saint]	That assumes that anyone anting to update/create a skin will be using the editor, which...I doubt will happen.
06:22:27	[Saint]	I see the editor as more of a learning tool, than something people will use constantly.
06:22:59	[Saint]	I don't want to argue the fact, but I think the manual is the correct place for the skin tags.
06:23:29	bieber_	JdGordon: My plan is to add just a brief description of each tag. Then when you type a %, you'll get an intelli-sense style popup that shows you tags along with said brief description
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06:25:01	bieber	Once I've got clickable touch areas down I should be pretty much done with rendering aside from bug fixes, so next week I want to start out with some usability stuff, especially handling projects and cfg files
06:25:56	bieber	Then I can start working on more useful editing tools. I'm debating whether to do tag-completion or drag/drop viewports and images first
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06:27:18	JdGordon	we could generate a pdf and the highlight help from a single file :)
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06:28:34	[Saint]	Hmmmm...how would you describe the function of %ax without it reading like a book?
06:28:53	[Saint]	I have "When prepended to a viewport declaration, the viewports coordinates and alignment will be mirrored if the user language is changed to an RTL language.", but it doesn't seem right.
06:29:22	JdGordon	%ax tells the next ta to follow the language direction. not all tags support this.
06:30:31	[Saint]	but, that really doesn't describe what it actually does.
06:30:44	[Saint]	same as the current description in CustomWPS
06:30:48	JdGordon	it doesnt actually do anthing by itself though
06:31:18	[Saint]	errr....huh?
06:31:42	JdGordon	%ax is useless by itself
06:32:07	JdGordon	what the tag does is tell the next one to not ignore the langauuge direction
06:32:09	[Saint]	And it's not "not all tags support this", it's "only 3 tags support this", so I actually listed the ones that do.
06:32:53	[Saint]	It does a little more than that, it completely mirrors the viewport coordinates if the lang is RTL
06:33:28	[Saint]	And, I think it is important to describe that aspect of it.
06:33:44	JdGordon	yes, as part of the %V help text
06:35:51	[Saint]	I don't really thing that's the right place for it, it needs to be with the alignment tags.
06:36:01	[Saint]	as, that's what it is (IMO)
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06:44:20	mc2739	JdGordon: I was trying to test your new parser, but it won't build
06:44:21	JdGordon	not really :)
06:44:31	JdGordon	dont build plugins
06:44:38	JdGordon	or other errors?
06:45:38	mc2739	plugin error (redefinition of ‘struct line’) and several "implicit declaration of function"
06:45:51	JdGordon	yeah just do make bin
06:45:54	JdGordon	and ignore the warnings
06:46:09	mc2739	ok
06:46:22	JdGordon	it doesnt touch the plugin api or codec api so you can safely run it with svn plugins/codecs
06:47:31	JdGordon	%Vp wont work, so dont try a theme with that
06:47:44	JdGordon	aythign else which doesnt work should just not draw
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06:51:08	[Saint]	JdGordon: BTW, I added FS #11471 %tm refuses to update
06:51:15	[Saint]	jsyk ;)
06:51:52	JdGordon	jsyk?
06:52:00	JdGordon	and yes I saw it
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06:52:49	[Saint]	just-so-you-know
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07:01:06	[Saint]	bieber; Any suggestions for said theme?
07:01:14	[Saint]	Anything you'd do differently?
07:01:27	bieber	Hmm
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07:01:43	bieber	iirc, the text had one line off-center without album art
07:01:47	JdGordon	copy the OF less :D
07:01:54	bieber	I think the OF had them both centered, but I could be remembering wrong
07:02:25	bieber	Otherwise, I was pretty darn impressed. Especially with the volume changing bar :)
07:02:39	[Saint]	Aha, seems like a mistake on my part. It should be centered when no AA is present.
07:02:47	bieber	Which reminds me, I need to fix up %pv in the Theme Editor so that kind of bar will render correctly
07:03:15	bieber	Except that I don't think pv is actually the tag I'm thinking of. I mean the battery level tag :P
07:03:44	[Saint]	thanks, the volume bar is pretty awesome. The code shows how I did it though. A very dodgy way, to get around viewports not being cleared properly.
07:04:12	[Saint]	(something I hope the new parser will fix)
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07:05:34	bieber	Hmm, I'm guessing that's why in the theme editor it shows the volume level in text above the bar?
07:05:40	bieber	I haven't looked at the code at all yet
07:06:29	[Saint]	no, that's an "optional extra"...it's not actually supposed to be defined by default, another catch.
07:06:47	[Saint]	Alignment tags are all correct though, so...dunno what you were seeing.
07:06:54	[Saint]	Works properly in the sim.
07:09:11	bieber	Oh, text is centered
07:09:21	bieber	It's just the numbers at the top I was thinking of, and that does look better to the left
07:09:25	[Saint]	phew ;)
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07:10:14	[Saint]	the volume in dB isn't supposed to be there actually, well it is, but only if you uncomment it yourself. I must have missed it.
07:11:19	[Saint]	Hmmmm...it is commented out, what "numbers" are you talking about?
07:11:21	bieber	That was in the theme editor, not on my iPod
07:11:41	bieber	And it's probably just because of the way I'm rendering volume level stuff
07:11:47	[Saint]	then, it appears that the theme editor is ignoring a commented line.
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07:12:25	[Saint]	line 246 in the wps handles that volume indicator, and, it's definitely commented out.
07:12:27	[Saint]	odd.
07:14:00	[Saint]	It's very easy to find what you're looking for in my code. I think you'll find my coding style a little over-the-top, yet usefull.
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07:39:13	pixelma	bieber: is there a way in the theme editor to set theme size by target? I just saw the field to adjust width and height by number but didn't search for too long last week
07:40:53	bieber	No, right now your options are either set width/height in the device config panel, use a backdrop in your cfg file, or set #screenwidth and #screenheight keys in the cfg file
07:41:08	bieber	A target database is on my to-do list
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07:42:17	pixelma	ah nice, that would have been my suggestion if you didn't plan it anyway- not everyone knows the screen size of his target :)
07:42:36	bieber	Heck, I sure don't
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07:42:56	bieber	I want a db to store screen size, remote size, and probably some other settings that I'll think of later
07:44:17	pixelma	oh, and what I also didn't find was a way to set bit depth which could be important for viewport parameters and in cfg files but I guess that'll come too
07:45:24	bieber	At the moment, it's not doing any kind of enforcement of bit depth: color parameters will accept any of the possible formats and adapt accordingly
07:46:03	bieber	I could add some check and a warning if you use a bitmap/parameter for the wrong bit depth, though
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07:47:25	pixelma	you should be fine with any bitmap on any target, it'll just scaled down to the target's bit depth (and maybe look different to what you would like it to look)
07:47:55	pixelma	but it has an influence on the parameters anc available settings
07:48:07	pixelma	and too
07:49:01	*	[Saint] simply can't wait until he can nest conditionals with the new skin parser...that'll be so awesome.
07:49:31	[Saint]	s/conditionals/sublines/
07:49:34	[Saint]	dammit.
07:50:46	JdGordon	so go test my patch :)
07:50:57	bieber	pixelma: Will do
07:51:20	bieber	JdGordon or [Saint]: When you use pv like a progress bar, what are its min/max values?
07:51:38	JdGordon	target dependant
07:51:47	[Saint]	min/max volume for the target.
07:51:55	bieber	Aw shucks
07:51:56	JdGordon	it is probbly good enough if you just do between 0 and 100
07:52:05	JdGordon	or -100 and 0
07:52:11	JdGordon	or even -50 and 6
07:52:51	[Saint]	no, it needs to be able to do 0, and greater than 0 as distinct states also.
07:53:01	bieber	I guess I just found another thing to add to the target db
07:53:12	[Saint]	oh, wait...as the bar...oops.
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07:53:32	bieber	Yeah, as the bar I guess I'll do -50 to 6 for now, when I get the target DB up it'll be properly dependent
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07:54:43	[Saint]	Ah, right. I think that's pretty important to have (the target db).
07:54:59	[Saint]	Way better than setting everything manually.
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08:07:52	CIA-6	New commit by bieber (r27398): Theme Editor: Made %pv tag display bar and select from conditional branches correctly
08:08:37	bieber	[Saint]: _Now_ your volume bar renders properly :)
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08:13:35	[Saint]	bieber: Awesoem ;)
08:13:43	[Saint]	awesome, even.
08:16:41	[Saint]	I was confused as to what was actually happening for a while, because the theme actualy has an optional volume meter in dB above the volume-bar if you uncomment one line.
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09:04:09	JdGordon	mc2739: howd it go?
09:05:10	JdGordon	pixelma: AlexP: how do ou guys feel about generating the skin tag info from a plain text file? and then eventually taking it out of the manual and putting it more in the theme editor where it really belongs?
09:05:27	JdGordon	assuming that we want everyone to use that when making themes
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09:20:51	pixelma	sounds like a good idea to generate it, not sure about taking them out of the manual
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09:22:12	JdGordon	that way we can get a nice consistant format for all the tags, the tales can be nicely generated
09:22:19	JdGordon	and I dont have to fiddle with TeX :D
09:23:10	pixelma	I don't understand what you find so hard about it as you can just copy ad past from the existent bits usually
09:23:39	pixelma	and if we can autogenerate them, you don't have to at all
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11:26:48	mt2	I think the problem with the simulator audio output when I play wma pro files (or even wav files at 48K sampling rate) is how the dsp resampling is done
11:28:06	JdGordon	mc2739: the patch applied for you?
11:28:26	mt2	it seems what happens is that it only either downsamples or upsamples, but since 48k/44.1K is a fraction, first it should upsample and then downsample
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11:29:35	mt2	if I understand corectly, resampling here is done wrongly hence the "clicks" I referred to in FS #11281
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13:26:32	S_a_i_n_t	what does "for f in `cat /cygdrive/c/Cygwin/Rockbox_Source/rockbox/nano2g/apps/features`; do feat="$feat:$f" ; done ; \ echo "$feat" >/cygdrive/c/Cygwin/Rockbox_Source/rockbox/nano2g" mean?
13:26:53	S_a_i_n_t	popped up whilst beilding for Nano2G
13:26:58	JdGordon	run it and find out
13:27:00	S_a_i_n_t	*building even
13:27:28	gevaerts	roughly the same as "tr '\012' ':' /cygdrive/c/Cygwin/Rockbox_Source/rockbox/nano2g/apps/features > /cygdrive/c/Cygwin/Rockbox_Source/rockbox/nano2g
13:27:38	JdGordon	haha
13:28:38	*	gevaerts suspects that S_a_i_n_t cut that off though
13:29:23	gevaerts	The difference is that the first one doesn't leave a : at the end
13:29:30	S_a_i_n_t	cut what off...? I'm confused. That line popped up whilst compiling a Nano2G build.
13:29:58	gevaerts	There's something after that last nano2g
13:30:10	mt2	What does this mean : " Error while mapping shared library sections:
13:30:11	mt2	`simdisk/_temp_codec0.dll': not in executable format: File truncated" ?
13:54:02	mt2	http://www.pastie.org/1040764 −− I don't get this
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14:02:23	mc2739	JdGordon: built fine with make bin - will post results to FS after I get a chance to test
14:02:40	JdGordon	ok cool
14:02:48	JdGordon	I'm working on making it harder to maintain :p
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14:31:04	mt2	I don't know what the sim has against libwmapro .. when I removed the floating point stuff, the library now fails to be loaded when the codec runs. (specifically at dlopen in uisimulator/common/io.c)
14:32:04	JdGordon	does it say why?
14:34:26	mt2	The only output I get is the one just before the pastie link
14:34:51	mt2	~ 1 hour ago
14:37:22	Orc	I brick my clipv2
14:37:22	Orc	cronology:
14:37:22	Orc	1. download and patch OF
14:37:22	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Orc
14:37:22	Orc	2. copy .rockbox and patched OF on player
14:37:22	Orc	3. safelly remove and unpug
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14:37:23	Orc	4. brick
14:38:01	funman	check SansaAMS page on the wiki, especially 'specific problems'
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14:38:17	funman	your player isn't bricked, only crashed in a state where it can't be powered off
14:39:29	Orc	clip don't find when connected pc
14:40:10	Orc	It's find only without nandflash
14:40:52	funman	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Specific_problems
14:40:54	Orc	I can't find two open solder pads (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick).
14:41:06	funman	Clip+/Clipv2/Fuzev2: The players might crash in a state where hardware power off is not possible. You have to wait for the battery to discharge fully, it might take up to 3 days.
14:41:44	Orc	You have to wait for the battery to discharge fully, it might take up to 3 days
14:41:46	Orc	?
14:42:15	Orc	I resold battery
14:42:27	Orc	no happens
14:42:38	funman	you have disconnected, and then resoldered the battery?
14:42:43	Orc	yes
14:42:55	funman	then yes it might be bricked
14:43:10	Orc	(((
14:43:10	funman	can you take picture of the PCB ?
14:43:21	Orc	yes
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14:43:53	funman	If you show me the PCB perhaps I can point you to possible solder pads
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14:53:41	JdGordon	funman: pong?
14:54:23	funman	JdGordon: it was about wpsdebug: i removed the option from DEBUG builds and only left it in the sim (r27389)
14:54:38	JdGordon	you bastard!
14:54:53	JdGordon	no worries, I'm removing all that wps debug code from the main build anyway
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15:06:20	mt2	I was wrong .. the segfault happens on hdr->entry_point()
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15:07:53	JdGordon	do you have any open() or malloc()'s which arnt going through the plugin api?
15:09:14	mt2	There's a malloc, but it's been there with the floating point code and it was working
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15:09:33	xlarge	sorry, wrong window. Man is this a bad day for me on irc...
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15:20:29	mt2	JdGordon: Yeah the failure seems to be due to malloc, which is extremely weird given that I've been debugging for well over a month now with it executing properly !
15:20:54	JdGordon	:( at least you know what it is now
15:22:31	mt2	yeah, thanks for the pointer btw :)
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15:38:04	mt2	still not working :(
15:38:24	JdGordon	join the club :(
15:38:29	JdGordon	stupid progressbar!
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15:42:23	funman	mt2: does it happen with svn ? (i'm building a sim right now to test)
15:43:22	mt2	funman: no
15:43:27	mt2	svn works for me
15:43:39	mt2	have to leave now, bbl
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15:53:44	kugel	funman: any reason you picked the uclibc strstr?
15:54:13	kugel	is lpgl 2.1 more presmissive w.r.t. to the gplv3 problem than gpl v2-only?
15:54:24	funman	kugel: no, i just looked at this one and saw that it was lgpl
15:54:31	funman	yeah
15:54:47	kugel	how?
15:55:02	funman	you can link it to proprietary code so it has to be more permissive
15:55:16	kugel	btw: there's a bsd licensed (and optimized one) in newlib
15:55:35	funman	if you want to use this one, go for it
15:55:52	kugel	funman: can you explain? it is more permissive for proprietary code, but does it solve the gplv3 problem
15:56:17	funman	honestly i don't know and i don't want to dive into the gpl stuff again at this time
15:56:38	funman	i suppose it does solve it, but didn't proof check it
15:56:45	kugel	your quick commit suggests you have an idea about it
15:58:19	funman	http://gplv3.fsf.org/dd3-faq says it's ok
15:58:47	funman	GPLv2-only isn't compatible but LGPLv2.1-only is
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16:00:03	gevaerts	LGPL2.1 section 3 is what's relevant
16:00:35	kugel	funman: but only because LGPL allows you to relicense to GPL IIUC
16:01:40	funman	hm indeed, LGPLv2.1-only can be upgrade to 'GPLv2 or any later version'
16:01:52	gevaerts	My reading of that is that you can't convert LGPL2.1 to "GPLv2 or later", but you convert it to GPLv2 or later (pick one).
16:03:04	gevaerts	That fsf page seems to use a slightly less pedantic reading
16:03:27	kugel	but the or later bit isn't really an extra license, it's only dual licensing, isn't it?
16:03:58	gevaerts	True
16:04:19	kugel	I could distribute 3 copies, 1 under the original lgpl; one gplv2 and one gplv3, which is effictively gplv2 or later
16:04:39	gevaerts	While you might not be able to make it "GPLv2 or later", you can make it "GPLv2 or GPLv3 or GPlv4 or..."
16:04:57	gevaerts	which is the same thing, so that faq page is right
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16:07:35	kugel	so, lpgl does solve it. it also shows that it was ok for the theme editor to use gplv3 code (IFF it was released under gplv3) since the rockbox code it uses is v2 or later
16:08:47	gevaerts	yes, but we'd have to release v3+ binaries, which (I think) needs more discussion
16:09:28	gevaerts	Except that I think we have some more v2 only bits, although possibly not used by the theme editor, so that might be OK
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16:09:42	*	gevaerts should investigate the one case he knows about
16:10:07	kugel	the theme editor only uses the skin_parser lib so far I think which is newly written (and should be v2 or later, but I haven't looked)
16:11:26	gevaerts	I think legally we're fine, and the theme editor isn't likely to be reused by other projects so that wouldn't be a problem either. I just don't think this is something we should do without serious prior consensus
16:11:41	kugel	right
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17:43:51	mt	funman: I'm actually going \o/\o/\o/\o/
17:44:04	n1s	mt: congrats!
17:44:08	funman	what was the sim problem?
17:45:21	mt	funman: Still don't know .. I was working on the laptop .. but I redid the code and committed from the desktop. The problem appeared only when I removed all the floating point code there, so there might be something wrong I did.
17:45:24	mt	n1s: Thanks :)
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18:59:49	kugel	gevaerts: I think I have a plan for the dir split thing
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19:02:02	*	gevaerts is curious
19:02:18	kugel	that was my plan!
19:03:41	kugel	for those user directories: I think I'm going to introduce a function which takes a buf (and bufsize) and the compile time path (/usr/local/share/rockbox). then it either returns the compile time path if the dir doesn't exist in $HOME or it copies the $HOME path into buf and returns buf
19:04:16	kugel	on target it always returns the compile time path. the return value can be used to get the actual dir
19:05:30	gevaerts	so if you want to have your own stuff in a directory, you copy that directory?
19:05:55	kugel	yea
19:06:20	kugel	I think checking the dir is good enough for now, some unionfs thing can come later
19:06:51	Bagder	I assume you mean /usr/share/rockbox ;-)
19:07:07	*	gevaerts wants /opt/rockbox/share !
19:07:11	kugel	uhm, no
19:07:13	Bagder	but 'share'... are you talking about codecs etc?
19:07:50	Bagder	share is meant to be shared between architectures, so it can't be code
19:07:52	gevaerts	no, stuff the user can be expected to modify. Themes, fm presets, fonts, ...
19:07:53	kugel	no, about the non-code stuff that comes with rockbox
19:08:22	Bagder	yeah then I agree with share
19:08:28	kugel	but local is bad?
19:08:31	gevaerts	That's the easy bit though
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19:08:43	Bagder	well, /usr/local is standard configure prefix
19:08:47	Bagder	but all distros use /usr
19:08:48	kugel	so far all programs I compiled myself defaulted to /usr/local
19:09:04	kugel	the distros can use something different if they like
19:09:06	Bagder	yes, that's how it tends to work
19:09:33	gevaerts	The tricky bit is what we're talking about. How to support those files in both */share and $HOME/.RaaA (or however it's called)
19:09:58	Bagder	I would it should look for files through a $PATH approach
19:10:02	Bagder	would say
19:10:16	Bagder	I would assume a program works like that
19:10:46	Bagder	so first in the user's dir and then in the global dir etc
19:12:06	gevaerts	Actually, that bit could be easy too
19:12:28	gevaerts	As soon as files end up in settings, they seem to be using absolute paths
19:13:04	gevaerts	The hardest problem is that rockbox is built to show the file browser when you go to e.g. theme settings, and the file browser isn't made to mix directories
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19:14:08	gevaerts	I think in the end we want a unionfs-style solution, but I'm not at all sure if that's simple enough to fit in this project
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19:15:01	Bagder	right, the priority must be to get something in that works, then polish it later
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19:16:49	gevaerts	kugel: so your proposal is something like get_config_directory(*buf, "fonts") ? (with some more parameters probably)
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19:17:16	kugel	yea
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19:17:33	kugel	except "font" is "/usr/local/share/rockbox/fonts"
19:18:37	gevaerts	Is that needed? Can't the "/usr/local/share/rockbox" be added inside the function?
19:19:21	gevaerts	The way I see it, the first thing that function has to do is cut off the last component anyway to see if it exists in the user preferences directory
19:19:48	kugel	well, it's a) less changes because everywhere where rockbox asks for a path it passes the absolute one already, and b) for on target builds the passed path is returned directly
19:20:04	gevaerts	right
19:20:27	gevaerts	or the call is magicked away by a macro
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19:21:36	gevaerts	OK, That would (a) work, (b) be extensible later on to return a unionfs mountpoint, (c) be simple. It might not be perfect from a user-friendlyness point of view, but that can be done later
19:21:48	kugel	I think either would work fine, but yours a bit cheaper (the stripping of isn't needed)
19:22:17	gevaerts	I think both are fine
19:22:57	kugel	should be interchangeable if someone complains
19:23:36	gevaerts	Are you blocked on this? If you can wait a bit for the final decision, maybe it would be good to ask on the ML
19:23:58	gevaerts	It will end up being something very much like this anyway I expect
19:24:14	kugel	not directly, I could get more familiar with android development in the meantime
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19:35:56	kugel	gevaerts: I pushed what I have so far to my git repo
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20:45:59	Giova	Hi all, I need some help, on touch screen devices, the yes&no screen can't be used at the moment in absolute mode, I'm thinking about a similar solution to the current keyboard for those devices, is it a good idea?
20:47:17	Giova	I'm speaking about the keyboard inside rockbox, wich now has got buttons
20:48:46	pixelma	could the strings that explain what to press in 3x3 grid mode be reused for this?
20:49:24	pixelma	or the space they take
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20:54:25	Dhraakellian	is there a way to change icons without having them set in a .cfg?
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20:54:46	Dhraakellian	for instance, if I don't like a theme's font choice, I can change that in the menu
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20:54:59	Dhraakellian	if I don't like the backdrop, I can change that from the filebrowser
20:55:09	Dhraakellian	...but I don't see a way to do that with the icons
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20:58:41	newbie	Hi!
20:58:49	balintx	hi
20:59:04	newbie	I have a rockboxed Sansa Clip and I was wondering if the ##music# folder can be removed permanently
20:59:32	newbie	it comes before the actual music folder and it's annoying
20:59:45	Dhraakellian	newbie: only if the clip has USB support in Rockbox. Otherwise, the OF will keep cluttering up your filesystem whenever you transfer stuff
20:59:51	Dhraakellian	...at least, that's how it works on my Fuze
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21:00:29	newbie	sort of, as long as you boot it with Rb before plugging in
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21:01:09	Dhraakellian	but if you never use the OF (or never use MTP mode in the OF), all the ##DIR#s should be safe to remove
21:01:29	Dhraakellian	but they'll just reappear the next time you boot to the OF, afaict
21:02:01	Dhraakellian	this is one reason for me why Rockbox USB on the Fuze was a very, very welcome improvement
21:02:58	Giova	pixelma as now, for the yes&no, I'm building a patch to enable the power key (the only phisical key for onda vx777) to say yes
21:03:15	Dhraakellian	not as welcome as the enabling of Rockbox USB on the e200v1 was back in the day, because the Fuze OF actually supports >2GB µSD(HC), but it's still ever so much more convenient
21:03:45	newbie	is it safe to remove the ##port# folder too?
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21:04:13	Giova	also the hot key have to be enabled fo the ondas
21:04:19	Dhraakellian	newbie: I don't see why not
21:04:54	Dhraakellian	basically, if it's something the OF will replace like that, it probably doesn't matter to Rockbox
21:05:52	Dhraakellian	(assuming you're transferring everything over with MSC/UMS instead of MTP... I think MTP stuff gets put in ##MUSIC# and similar)
21:06:56	simonrvn	yup
21:07:29	newbie	yes, MSC. So I'll have to remember to boot RB before plugging in. Thanks for the tip
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21:08:27	Dhraakellian	newbie: or, if you forget and boot to the OF, make sure it's in MSC mode
21:08:59	Dhraakellian	and then delete the autogenerated dirs from the filebrowser when you boot back into Rockbox
21:09:17	*	Dhraakellian is probably being overly verbose
21:10:46	newbie	OF is also set with MSC. It's the ability to completely avoid booting OF that seems to be the trick
21:14:29	*	Dhraakellian wonders if the mkamsboot in svn changes the boot-on-usb default to Rockbox yet
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21:16:09	newbie	thanks for your help, I have to go now
21:16:10	bieber	bluebrother: Just a heads up in case they didn't email you, midterm evaluations should be open today
21:16:15	newbie	bye
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21:16:16	mc2739	Dhraakellian: no
21:16:17	bieber	I'm going to try and get mine done this evening
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21:16:30	Dhraakellian	by 3.7?
21:18:45	mc2739	Dhraakellian: it will be changed only when it has been determined that it is safe to do so.
21:19:08	Dhraakellian	not considered 100% safe yet, then?
21:20:08	mc2739	not yet
21:20:38	mc2739	and the unbrick procedure is to complicated for most users
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21:20:47	Dhraakellian	hehheh
21:21:09	Dhraakellian	well, I do have a backup Sansa in case my fuze goes bad
21:21:26	Dhraakellian	...and that'd give me an excuse to get a FuzeV2 with better battery life
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21:22:29	mc2739	as long as you don't get the new Fuzev2 that can't be Rockboxed yet
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21:23:05	Dhraakellian	??
21:23:19	Dhraakellian	FuzeV2 is in the unstable catagory, is it not?
21:23:41	mc2739	yes, it is in unstable
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21:24:59	Dhraakellian	so "can't be rockboxed yet"?
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21:26:49	mc2739	there is a new model Fuzev2 that will not accept the modified firmware, or sansa firmware older than 2.03.31
21:28:32	Dhraakellian	eeew
21:28:53	*	TheSeven wonders why sandisk is doing that
21:28:55	Dhraakellian	FuzeV2.1, not quite V3?
21:29:14	Dhraakellian	TheSeven: yeah, you'd think that RockBox would be generating sales for them
21:29:25	Dhraakellian	maybe not an appreciable amount of them, but still
21:29:50	mc2739	somebody on the forum is sending one of these to funman so he can possibly figure out what is going on
21:29:54	TheSeven	i understand why apple is doing it (to protect their drm), but sandisk?
21:30:12	Dhraakellian	and it's not like Rockbox hurts their DRM stuff, so I don't see that being behind it
21:30:53	Dhraakellian	Rockbox never has, doesn't, and never will support DRM, so how is that a threat?
21:30:57	gevaerts	TheSeven: easy. The first rule of DAP design is that one should not be able to buy a new DAP that runs rockbox. They aren't ready for a fully new model, so this is the approach they take
21:31:05	TheSeven	well, if rockbox publishes how to write a custom firmware to it, evil guys can relatively easily take a stock firmware, patch out the drm restrictions, and flash that
21:31:08	mc2739	TheSeven: my guess would be that it has slightly different hardware and they did this to prevent older firmware versions being loaded and causing major problems
21:31:36	TheSeven	i don't think this is really important for music drm, but we're definitely a threat to apple's game drm on nano4g
21:31:58	bluebrother	bieber: thanks for the hint but I was aware of it (they sent an announcement on the mentors list ;-)
21:32:38	Dhraakellian	gevaerts: just how non-tongue-in-cheek was that comment?
21:33:08	Dhraakellian	TheSeven: how so?
21:33:36	TheSeven	once rockbox runs on nano4g, you can just play rockbox games and don't need to buy apple games from the itunes store
21:33:51	Dhraakellian	or is that more of an ecosystem threat than just making it a non—yeah, that
21:33:56	gevaerts	Dhraakellian: I'm always serious :)
21:34:01	TheSeven	and evil guys will come and use our exploits to load a patched apple firmware that accepts pirated apple games
21:34:31	Dhraakellian	sorry, gevaerts, it just sounded a little bit paranoid/sarcastic (however justified it may be), so I was wondering
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21:42:34	bluebrother	S_a_i_n_t, bieber: new Theme Editor binaries online
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21:48:13	kugel	gevaerts: I got it working pretty well it seems, it needed a few more params
21:54:09	*	kugel has audio dropouts in the app
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22:00:31	kugel	seems to be caused by dsp effects
22:02:48	Giova	how to make a patch? diff > patchname.diff ??
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22:10:47	Buschel	all of this madness is just for adding hi-freq hissing to low quality aac....
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22:12:28	Buschel	maybe we should just disable this hf-crap and keep the low bandwidth. at least we can decode in realtime then −− on PP5022
22:12:43	Buschel	not sure about other targets...
22:14:35	Buschel	Giova: "svn diff > my.patch"
22:15:12	Buschel	oops, he already left :/
22:19:31	S_a_i_n_t	bluebrother: Thanks.
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22:53:53	*	fml draws the readers' attention to FS #11473 - New bookmarking option: one per track and asks for comments
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22:57:07	wodz	have you seen something like this?
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23:40:42	kugel	did anyone think of using install instead of cp in buildzip.pl?
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23:41:26	Bagder	I would guess not
23:41:33	Bagder	there was never any reason to
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23:45:07	M4dison	I have sansa fuze V 01.02.31F
23:45:18	M4dison	how can I install rockbox?
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23:45:51	saratoga	directions are in the manual
23:46:34	M4dison	eh ok but whadda mess this web
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