| 00:01:11 | Buschel | n1s: another question. will the compiler work when removing "D+=16, V++" from the loop? we could use increment and in/out for [V] and [D]... |
| 00:02:03 | n1s | yeah, that should work |
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| 00:03:26 | n1s | i have a real asm function written/converted now, will just need to get it to compile and test/debug |
| 00:03:30 | Buschel | what is the syntax for the increment when loading? something like "move.l (%[V])+, %%a5"? |
| 00:03:40 | n1s | yep |
| 00:03:50 | Buschel | same for multiple loads? |
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| 00:04:56 | n1s | no, movem can not postinc, it can use only straight (%aX) or a 16 bit signed offsett (1234, %aX) / 1234(%aX) |
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| 00:06:32 | Buschel | ok |
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| 00:07:59 | n1s | ah, i spotted the bug in my asm :) |
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| 00:11:04 | Buschel | need to go to bed now, will be a hard day tomorrow... |
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| 00:11:38 | Buschel | n1s: will read the logs ;o) good luck with the asm! :) |
| 00:12:05 | n1s | thanks! |
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| 00:16:36 | n1s | ha, it works now |
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| 00:30:14 | darkenvy | what channel can I get a forum admin or moderator? |
| 00:30:49 | gevaerts | here |
| 00:31:01 | * | gevaerts isn't a moderator, but maybe he can help |
| 00:31:17 | darkenvy | Im trying to sign up for the forum but the capcha is giving me a hard time |
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| 00:32:17 | Torne | try the audio one, or just give up for ten mins |
| 00:32:25 | darkenvy | (yes I have requested new images, I type tem as I see it but it comes up 'incorrect') |
| 00:32:28 | Torne | there's some bug in the captcha generator |
| 00:32:39 | Torne | does it look like just one character and then maybe a little garbage? |
| 00:32:52 | darkenvy | yea I dont know why I dont get an audio feed either :\ |
| 00:33:00 | darkenvy | the first one yes |
| 00:33:17 | Torne | right |
| 00:33:24 | Torne | unfortunately all you can do is try later ;) |
| 00:33:29 | Torne | we're not sure what's wrong with it |
| 00:33:37 | darkenvy | oh I got it |
| 00:33:52 | Torne | yeah, if you eep trying it will give you a non-broken one eventually |
| 00:34:35 | darkenvy | well hey since Im here on a rockbox topic, I just got a ipod classic. We are so many generations later, cant we crack it yet? |
| 00:36:04 | darkenvy | rockbox belongs on the 120gb |
| 00:36:22 | Torne | it is cracked |
| 00:36:30 | Torne | you can run stuff on it via the notes exploit |
| 00:36:33 | gevaerts | From what I understand, there has been some progress, and it is believed that a classic port is doable, but nobody seems to be interested in actually doing it |
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| 00:36:54 | darkenvy | :O |
| 00:36:54 | Torne | not sure if ibugger works on it yet |
| 00:37:24 | darkenvy | someone please tell me more, I'll do official testing if we make progress on this |
| 00:37:34 | Torne | there's nothing more to tell |
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| 00:37:50 | darkenvy | Whats the notes exploit? |
| 00:37:50 | Torne | some people cracked the security on the new ipods, i think for all the models except the newest nano |
| 00:38:00 | Torne | but nobody has done any work to port rockbox to anything except the nano2g |
| 00:38:09 | darkenvy | if I wanted to persue my own cracking.... |
| 00:38:22 | Torne | you need something to actually run, to use the exploit for anything |
| 00:38:51 | Torne | so at minimum you would need ibugger which is the tool people used to load other stuff onto the nano2g in the early stages before it was possibel to boot rockbox directly |
| 00:39:54 | Torne | it needs lots of reverse engineering and development effort, basically |
| 00:40:23 | Torne | i would guess even if someone started right now it'd be a couple months before it was worth a non-developer testing it |
| 00:40:29 | Torne | and nobody has started yet ;) |
| 00:40:39 | darkenvy | will anyone start? |
| 00:40:45 | Torne | i can't predict the future |
| 00:41:24 | Torne | i can only tell you that *I* won't ) |
| 00:41:27 | Torne | i can't speak for anyone else |
| 00:41:31 | darkenvy | well... I mean if we can run code on it, even if it was innefficient I would imagine we could get it running as a port |
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| 00:42:07 | Torne | get *what* running as a port? |
| 00:42:31 | Torne | the drivers and basic hardware functionality for rockbox have to be implemented more or less from scratch on each different kind of hardware |
| 00:42:44 | darkenvy | isn't rockbox ported to each generation of each diffrent mp3 player? |
| 00:42:54 | darkenvy | yea I was afraid of that |
| 00:43:00 | Torne | Yes. None of that work has been done, so there's nothing to get running |
| 00:43:07 | Torne | unless you're going to actually *write the port* |
| 00:44:35 | darkenvy | hmmm if I had someone to work with then perhaps. I have a little programming knowlege but only enough to assist not do it myself unfortunatly |
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| 01:10:33 | saratoga | darkenvy: please don't post in New Ports without reading the rules for that forum, they're strictly enforced to keep that place readable |
| 01:11:42 | darkenvy | Yea it seems like a request but I myself want to persue running code through the exploit. there has to be others interested |
| 01:11:57 | darkenvy | If its the wrong place bump the thread somewhere else? |
| 01:12:11 | saratoga | check the rules ... |
| 01:12:34 | darkenvy | So you count that as a request then dont you? |
| 01:12:54 | darkenvy | thats the only thing I COULD see that violates it |
| 01:13:23 | saratoga | i would probably have counted that as rules 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 |
| 01:13:49 | saratoga | but really I just deleted it because you're the third person in a week to propose putting together a team of people to do a port for him |
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| 01:14:47 | darkenvy | hey im just as interested in getting invovled |
| 01:15:38 | darkenvy | or is it consiured 'doing a port for them' if I havn't yet contributed anything useful? |
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| 01:16:29 | darkenvy | I understand the nature of the rules to filter out crap but the least you could do is moved my thread so I can get somewhere with this saratoga |
| 01:16:38 | darkenvy | oh hey do you live in sarasota? |
| 01:18:16 | Torne | i explained more or less what is involved |
| 01:18:23 | Torne | it's not a matter of "getting a team together" |
| 01:18:57 | Torne | starting a port, in the early stages, is bascially a matter of one person making a heroic individual effort to reverse engineer enough of the OF that we can get a cutdown bootloader to run |
| 01:19:13 | kugel | n1s: I like real asm better than large inline asm |
| 01:19:19 | Torne | if you don't have the skills to do that then i'm sorry, but you are not in a position to contribute at this stage |
| 01:20:31 | n1s | kugel: yeah, mee too, for small functions inlining might be important though... |
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| 01:20:57 | saratoga | i tend to line inline a little better, its just that it breaks every other gcc version . . . |
| 01:21:09 | kugel | n1s: yes, for small stuff inline asm is alright. I only meant the big ones :) |
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| 01:22:33 | darkenvy | I'll see where I get. Im still interested in running some code on it |
| 01:22:49 | Torne | write soem code then |
| 01:23:07 | n1s | gcc doesn't like when we take away all the register :) |
| 01:23:09 | Torne | linux4nano project has the details of the exploits |
| 01:23:09 | n1s | s |
| 01:24:46 | darkenvy | okay thanks |
| 01:26:30 | kugel | IMO inline asm syntax is odd, and it reads worse than plain asm and for large assemblies inline asm loses its advantages |
| 01:35:12 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r27504): Convert inline coldfire assembler to a 'real' assembler function, with tweaks by Buschel. Speeds up mpc decoding by ~1% on h300. |
| 01:35:47 | * | n1s forgot to mention the gcc problems in the commit message :/ |
| 01:36:50 | CIA-6 | r27504 build result: All green |
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| 04:56:41 | qumak | hi, any fuze v2 rockbox users? |
| 04:57:48 | qumak | Enismirdal, do you have the v3? |
| 04:58:12 | funman | always assume yes, if you have a precise question just ask |
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| 05:00:26 | qumak | my question is an imprecise one mostly, i just got the fuze today and it is a v2, i want rockbox on it, have been reading the manual and looking at forums, but am still unsure if i should use the stable release or do a manual install of the current build |
| 05:00:36 | qumak | or any other advice |
| 05:00:57 | funman | there's no stable release for fuzev2 |
| 05:01:26 | qumak | oh ok problem solved :) |
| 05:01:38 | funman | you can install a current build and bootloader using the RockboxUtility |
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| 05:02:42 | funman | it will not work on newer fuzev2 though, we still need to update the bootloader and RockboxUtility. Just try and see if it works |
| 05:03:20 | Enismirdal | funman: Does that imply that a bootloader built from SVN would work on a newer Fuze v2? |
| 05:03:39 | funman | yes it will work if you build mkamsboot from svn as well |
| 05:03:53 | qumak | funman: thanks i am downloading the stuff now |
| 05:04:12 | Enismirdal | I assume that the latest daily build of the firmware itself would be sufficient? |
| 05:04:18 | Enismirdal | Or would I be incorrect? |
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| 05:05:27 | funman | prefer the current build but yes it should work too |
| 05:07:53 | Enismirdal | Thanks for the info |
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| 05:24:33 | cpnfantstk | I am using the latest build on my gigabeat F40. I notice that battery consumption has improved greatly. I used to get 15hr and now its over 20hrs. What changes were made for this improvement? Thanks |
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| 05:53:00 | * | qumak got rockbox installed on the fuze v2 and is quite happy with it so far aside from one freeze which was fixed by power cycling |
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| 06:24:10 | kifo | Hello |
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| 06:27:42 | kifo | Hello, I have an ipod nano 1g with the current Rev, and I've been experiencing a lot of lock-ups whenever I play music, I've googled around and played with some settings, and nothing has really helped, I was wondering if there is anything in specific I could look into, or anything you guys may know of that could help |
| 06:29:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Have you tried checking the dick for errors? |
| 06:29:10 | S_a_i_n_t | OMG..."disk" |
| 06:29:13 | S_a_i_n_t | *sorry :P |
| 06:29:21 | kifo | haha |
| 06:29:36 | kifo | How do I do that? Just fsck it or is there anything in rockbox I can use |
| 06:30:06 | S_a_i_n_t | fsck, an "in core" disk check would EAT the battery |
| 06:30:12 | S_a_i_n_t | and, doesn't exist ;) |
| 06:30:22 | kifo | Yea i figured |
| 06:32:33 | S_a_i_n_t | maraz: Did you not have similar issues with your Nano1G? |
| 06:32:38 | S_a_i_n_t | (see above) |
| 06:33:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I have several Nano1gs running recent-to-latest rev, and all are fine...I don;t know what to say. |
| 06:33:29 | kifo | Well ive had this problem before, but on a sansa clip plus, and it was fixed by just turning auto database update off |
| 06:34:19 | kifo | I'll have to try the disk check thing as soon as i figure out how to do it on a vista machine ha |
| 06:34:27 | kifo | I'm on a neighbors comp, one second |
| 06:34:54 | S_a_i_n_t | right click on the drive in my computer. |
| 06:35:15 | kifo | oh i think i found it |
| 06:35:33 | kifo | no errors found |
| 06:35:33 | S_a_i_n_t | It is called differently on Vista to XP, so I can say for sure sorry |
| 06:35:58 | kifo | I'm not used to windows :at all: |
| 06:36:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, one more thing I can suggest is to back up your config file, and do a clean install |
| 06:36:20 | S_a_i_n_t | ie: delete .rockbox, instead of we-writing overtop of it |
| 06:36:28 | S_a_i_n_t | *re-writing |
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| 06:36:47 | kifo | shouldnt be a problem if i save my themes/wps right |
| 06:37:11 | S_a_i_n_t | sure. |
| 06:38:28 | S_a_i_n_t | backup "themes", "wps" and "config.c.g" |
| 06:38:36 | S_a_i_n_t | *.cfg |
| 06:39:38 | S_a_i_n_t | You don't need to "back it up", just move it out of the .rockbox folder |
| 06:39:43 | S_a_i_n_t | s/it/them/ |
| 06:40:30 | qumak | on the fuze v2 current build the resolution seems to be a bit bigger than my screen, ie the very top is slightly cut off, am i alone in experiencing this / is there an easy fix or would it mess up all the themes and such even if i could adjust somehow? |
| 06:41:19 | kifo | I have that problem with my nano 1g but its only smaller by about 2px so not an issue at all |
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| 06:42:00 | S_a_i_n_t | qumak: kifo: Are you able to take a screendump that shows the problem? |
| 06:42:17 | S_a_i_n_t | hint: turn on screendump in the system/debug menu |
| 06:42:35 | kifo | I'll take a look as soon as im done re-installing |
| 06:43:44 | kifo | Its possible I'm just out of my mind also, I guess you dont really notic on the normal firmware because of the screen color |
| 06:43:47 | kifo | but ill take one |
| 06:43:53 | funman | qumak: the problem is Sandisk didn't put the screen in place |
| 06:44:12 | funman | i believe the OF blacks out the top/bottom lines to workaround this problem |
| 06:44:43 | qumak | S_a_i_n_t: is that in the default install? |
| 06:44:50 | S_a_i_n_t | yes |
| 06:45:03 | S_a_i_n_t | but, funman just answered your question I think |
| 06:45:09 | qumak | kifo: this isn't a showstopper at all, probably about that too, just something that if fixable i'd fix :) |
| 06:45:12 | S_a_i_n_t | the problem is screen placement apparently |
| 06:45:17 | S_a_i_n_t | not pixel alignment |
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| 06:45:24 | qumak | i see |
| 06:45:31 | funman | more case design |
| 06:45:49 | qumak | so then the 'fix' would be just to change the themes or something? |
| 06:46:36 | S_a_i_n_t | more of a workaround, but...I guess so |
| 06:48:00 | qumak | ok that's cool, thanks |
| 06:48:11 | S_a_i_n_t | For the main menu, it's as simple as changine the default viewport |
| 06:48:12 | kifo | my god its been deleting .rockbox this entire time |
| 06:48:22 | kifo | what is wrong with this computer |
| 06:48:31 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: Something is wrong... |
| 06:48:40 | kifo | doesn't take this long on my box |
| 06:48:47 | S_a_i_n_t | it should take less that a minute, in theory |
| 06:48:53 | kifo | it does |
| 06:48:57 | kifo | on my computer at home |
| 06:49:03 | S_a_i_n_t | even deleting it through RB would have been faster |
| 06:49:26 | S_a_i_n_t | (and yes, you *can* delete the .rockbox folder through Rb) ;) |
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| 06:49:45 | S_a_i_n_t | It doesn't really seem to like it that much though |
| 06:50:00 | kifo | it'd probably freeze during the process on this thing hah |
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| 06:53:01 | kifo | deleted so far 6.4mb |
| 06:53:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Eeeek, something is *really* wrong. |
| 06:53:44 | S_a_i_n_t | It does seem like disk error |
| 06:53:51 | S_a_i_n_t | or, a *really* crap machine |
| 06:54:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Is the machine yo're doing this on highly overtasked at the moment? |
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| 06:55:11 | kifotv | sorry client issues |
| 06:55:22 | kifotv | well i did some stuff on my computer earlier today and it was fine |
| 06:55:31 | kifotv | mainly writing music and setting up some .kbd's |
| 06:55:37 | kifotv | fast as it always is |
| 06:55:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I have e few .kbd setups if you're interested. |
| 06:56:01 | S_a_i_n_t | for 15~16pt fonts |
| 06:56:04 | kifotv | i was using opti for a while |
| 06:56:07 | kifotv | oh i use 8pt |
| 06:56:08 | kifotv | :p |
| 06:56:38 | kifotv | got used to 8pt on the clip plus |
| 06:57:09 | kifotv | hooray 16 minutes to extract .rockbox |
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| 07:02:58 | kifo | gah |
| 07:03:01 | kifo | this is pointless |
| 07:03:04 | kifo | worthless computer! |
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| 07:16:56 | kifo | done reinstalling, copying themes, wps, and config back over |
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| 07:23:22 | kifo | can i just enable screendump and it will take a snapshot? |
| 07:23:29 | kifo | or do i have to do something additional |
| 07:25:39 | kifo | man my themes are busted |
| 07:25:44 | kifo | that may be what is doing it |
| 07:25:54 | kifo | changing themes doesnt change base skin, doesnt chang wps screen |
| 07:26:02 | kifo | changing wps sreen doesnt do anything |
| 07:27:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Are you possibly mixing old theme format with the new builds? |
| 07:27:48 | S_a_i_n_t | theme syntax changed some time ago |
| 07:28:02 | kifo | its possible |
| 07:28:13 | kifo | could I maybe just delete themes/wps dirs and replace them again |
| 07:28:17 | kifo | without backing them up i mean |
| 07:28:42 | S_a_i_n_t | sure. but, I'd like to know that's the problem first ;) |
| 07:29:07 | S_a_i_n_t | DCC me one of the .wps files that is busted, and I'll take a look |
| 07:29:38 | S_a_i_n_t | or, upload to a fileshare sit, pastebin/whatever |
| 07:29:42 | S_a_i_n_t | *site |
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| 07:30:10 | kifo | I could screen dump? |
| 07:30:26 | kifo | i dont really know which one is causing the problem |
| 07:30:35 | kifo | they all seem to default to some really basic wps |
| 07:30:40 | kifo | sorta looks like jack basic |
| 07:30:56 | kifo | the wps is set to the one i chose in config.cfg though |
| 07:31:01 | S_a_i_n_t | then, I'm pretty sure that the problem is the theme syntax. |
| 07:31:10 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, you'll need to replace them. |
| 07:31:16 | kifo | ill just clear them |
| 07:31:24 | kifo | so just delete those two dirs and replace right |
| 07:31:49 | S_a_i_n_t | The themes on the themesite are all updated, and rbutil will grab the correct themes for the appropriate build also |
| 07:31:53 | kifo | also, it appears vistas lovely hidden "remote differential compression" feature was causing some of the issues |
| 07:32:11 | kifo | i can just use themes/wps from the current build right |
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| 07:32:16 | S_a_i_n_t | sure |
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| 07:32:47 | S_a_i_n_t | if screendump is enabled, you wont get a USB connection btw. |
| 07:33:02 | S_a_i_n_t | it captures the screen image to disk when USB is inserted. |
| 07:33:17 | S_a_i_n_t | so, if you enabled it, disable it and you'll get USB connection again. |
| 07:34:10 | kifo | where does it put the screen image |
| 07:34:45 | bug2000 | Hey. Is the broken hard boot still attacking over samsa v2? |
| 07:35:15 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: It dumps the image to the root of the device |
| 07:35:44 | S_a_i_n_t | IIRC, it should blatantly be called "screendump<some numbers>.bmp" |
| 07:35:58 | S_a_i_n_t | (or something very similar) |
| 07:36:56 | kifo | weird so it used to switch to the crappy ipod stock Do not disconnect screen on connecting it |
| 07:37:17 | kifo | since enabling/disabling screen dump it goes to usb keypad mode multimedia |
| 07:37:28 | kifo | its :slightly: faster :D |
| 07:37:32 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, this is because you've installed a current build, as opposed to the release build |
| 07:37:45 | S_a_i_n_t | charging is not implemented in the release build. |
| 07:37:52 | S_a_i_n_t | (but will be in 3.7) |
| 07:38:19 | S_a_i_n_t | And, actually...the RB USB is slightly slower...but, weird. |
| 07:38:24 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27505): rockboy manual ... |
| 07:38:33 | kifo | yea nevermind its bogged down again |
| 07:38:50 | kifo | windows is trying its damndest to turn off its stupid hidden feature |
| 07:39:02 | S_a_i_n_t | On the upside, it charges properly now, no need to see the Apple disk mode again ;) |
| 07:39:07 | kifo | changing settings this may take several years |
| 07:39:59 | pixelma | funman: not all bitmap targets but the Ondios have rockboy |
| 07:40:13 | CIA-6 | r27505 build result: All green |
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| 07:40:50 | funman | hm i missed the overly complex SUBDIRS condition |
| 07:41:29 | kifo | ugh i am deleting only themes/wps directories and so far it reports its deleted 275 files |
| 07:42:12 | funman | pixelma: can we check lcd pixel format and lcd height/width in manual ? |
| 07:42:14 | pixelma | some Ipods also don't have it due to a different pixelpacking or whatever that is called which needs a new screen driver - and some old Ipods will also have problems with the controls because Rockboy on Ipods currently uses touch areas for controls and the older ones don't have touch sensitive wheels |
| 07:42:20 | pixelma | no |
| 07:43:36 | pixelma | hmm, well maybe we could now that someone implemented some displaywidth etc. optionbut that won't help there |
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| 07:44:48 | pixelma | even if you don't like it but I would just add the Clips to the line (the old one) |
| 07:45:01 | funman | there's no manual for ipodmini2g ? |
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| 07:45:24 | funman | pixelma: i'll use something similar to the condition in SUBDIRS |
| 07:45:46 | pixelma | no, not a reason to differentiate between the Minis so far |
| 07:46:08 | pixelma | funman: how will you do that? I think it was good as it was |
| 07:46:09 | funman | platform/ has ipodmini1g.tex, perhaps worth renaming it to 'ipodmini.tex' |
| 07:46:13 | funman | nopt |
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| 07:49:03 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: I realise that your PC is making this a big pain in the ass, so, when you do get the new theme/wps dirs on, report back success/fail. |
| 07:49:04 | pixelma | there are no pixel-packing options yet and I really don't see adding them just for this will make it any better |
| 07:49:10 | pixelma | funman: ^ |
| 07:49:19 | funman | i won't add them but enumerate the models and add a comment |
| 07:50:16 | pixelma | what do you mean with enumerate the models? |
| 07:50:24 | funman | \opt{lcd_bitmap}{\nopt{ ondio, % m200, % not enough buttons for keymap ipod1g2g,ipod3g,ipod4g,ipodmini1g, % horizontal pixelformat not implemented |
| 07:52:25 | funman | i don't know how to express the last condition though (COLOR || (HEIGHT == 64 && DEPTH == 1) || (HEIGHT == 128 && DEPTH == 2)) |
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| 07:53:48 | funman | i mean, how to express 'OR' and '==' |
| 07:54:24 | Buschel | n1s: synth_filter.c looks much cleaner now. thanks for moving the inline asm to an own function |
| 07:55:42 | pixelma | funman: there is no comparison in our manual (and I assume it's not easily doable in tex) |
| 07:55:58 | Buschel | btw, question to all the CF asm experts: does the number of cycles needed for mac.l depend on the size of the operands (similar to ARM)? |
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| 08:01:00 | kifo | so on ipod nano 1g changing to a theme that has a different base skin, and the changing it to one that has the original base skin |
| 08:01:22 | kifo | doesnt change the base skin, only the 'theme' |
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| 08:04:40 | kifo | http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6718/dump100721000223.png |
| 08:04:49 | kifo | theres a screen dump of the weirdness |
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| 08:05:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27506): rockboy: simplify build condition ... |
| 08:06:00 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27507): manual: rockboy isn't built on all lcd bitmap targets ... |
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| 08:07:31 | CIA-6 | r27506 build result: All green |
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| 08:16:16 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: The base skin is defined by the theme .cfg |
| 08:16:44 | S_a_i_n_t | A lot of themers forget to put a "-" in place for the base skin, so that the theme redefines the base skin to "none" |
| 08:17:04 | S_a_i_n_t | If one is defined by an old theme, and not cleared by the new theme, then, it stays there |
| 08:17:29 | kifo | yea this reinstall seems to have fixed it |
| 08:17:50 | S_a_i_n_t | It's a simple one line fix in the theme .cfg though, just copy a base skin like from another theme cfg, and change the base skin to "-" |
| 08:17:55 | S_a_i_n_t | (without the ""'s |
| 08:18:11 | S_a_i_n_t | s/like/line/ |
| 08:19:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Basically, if a theme doesn't include an .sbs, and the themer doesn't *want* it to include an .sbs, thay still need to set a base skin value, but set it as "-" |
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| 08:20:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm pretty sure that all the "default" themes are supposed to use the inbuilt statusbar though. |
| 08:20:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, be able to at least. |
| 08:20:43 | S_a_i_n_t | It's something I'm not *too* clear on, my themes all have their own .sbs |
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| 08:26:54 | pixelma | funman: your \opt looks wrong - the M5s (supported grey format) and X5s (colour) do have Rockboy. there is also something about spaces after the commas in the \nopt list |
| 08:27:08 | pixelma | no time to explain now, will look into it later |
| 08:28:02 | funman | ah i grepped for the remote lcd pixelformat |
| 08:29:38 | pixelma | you would just have to look at the originial \opt line (which was more readable in my eyes) even if it was not explanatory |
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| 08:30:33 | funman | i think it's not more reasonable |
| 08:30:53 | funman | negative discrimination helps when adding new targets |
| 08:31:35 | funman | positive discrimination (a list of models for which the manual is built) siltently disables the manual section, so it can easily go unnoticed (like it did for clip) |
| 08:34:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27508): manual: include rockboy on m5 and x5 (mistakenly disabled in previous commit) ... |
| 08:36:14 | CIA-6 | r27508 build result: All green |
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| 08:39:44 | kifo | time for sleep |
| 08:42:30 | amiconn | pixelma: Regarding rockboy and the mini2g manual - if the screen driver for greyscale ipods gets done but there is no solution for the touh areas, it will need one |
| 08:42:47 | amiconn | s/touh/touch/ |
| 08:45:54 | bug2000 | I shall ask again, as I got no reply. Is there any progress with the hard lockdown for Sansa AMS v2? |
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| 08:46:54 | funman | bug2000: no, how often / in which conditions do you experience it? |
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| 08:48:56 | bug2000 | funman: I don't. It's just still listed on the project page, so I'm afraid to push a new revision to my friend. |
| 08:49:36 | bug2000 | funman: I don't want him to end up with a jammed player for a couple of days because of me. [After all, his current revision does work pretty much fine for him] |
| 08:51:06 | funman | a new revision shouldn't make the problem more or less likely i think |
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| 09:08:48 | pixelma | funman: silently including could also be wrong and unless you have the same list of options to evaluate you need to manually edit anyway |
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| 09:10:11 | funman | can you elaborate? |
| 09:11:20 | Clipper | good morning! |
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| 09:11:56 | funman | pixelma: silently including is not possible: the manual build will break because of undefined keymap |
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| 09:12:36 | pixelma | now, if you add a new target it will always get the Rockboy section. No it won't |
| 09:12:55 | pixelma | necessarily |
| 09:12:55 | funman | hm that's right |
| 09:13:26 | funman | feel free to change then |
| 09:13:47 | funman | if we can't check display properties then there's no clean way to do it |
| 09:13:50 | pixelma | that depends on how the button table is written |
| 09:14:27 | pixelma | the lines with two % always throw me off |
| 09:14:38 | Clipper | anyone still got the strange beep after pause on the clip+? |
| 09:14:45 | funman | comment in a comment :) |
| 09:14:52 | funman | Clipper: no |
| 09:15:17 | Clipper | when it has been fixed? |
| 09:15:34 | funman | i never experienced it, so i don't think it has been fixed |
| 09:16:02 | Clipper | ah ok.. anyone of the devs got a beeping one? |
| 09:16:42 | pixelma | could there be some setting enabled that causes trouble? Keyclick or so |
| 09:16:44 | funman | i'm not aware of this problem so i assume that no. check if it happens after you reset your settings |
| 09:17:38 | Clipper | unfortunatly you can only switch it on or off, there are no settings like for crossfading |
| 09:18:14 | Clipper | no, keyclicks are disabled |
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| 09:18:48 | funman | reset your whole config to be sure |
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| 09:23:39 | pixelma | amiconn: yes, but that will be quite easy. |
| 09:25:42 | Clipper | ok, i gonna try it |
| 09:26:40 | Clipper | another question: is there any shortcut for switching to the now-playing mode? |
| 09:26:51 | funman | home+select |
| 09:27:02 | Clipper | thx funman |
| 09:28:31 | funman | we need new AMSv1 bootloaders with USB enabled so we can make a new mkamsboot release without OF-boot on USB |
| 09:28:56 | funman | USB seems stable so far |
| 09:29:33 | Clipper | what about appling it to double pressing the power button? |
| 09:29:51 | funman | rockbox doesn't handle double press so no |
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| 09:31:32 | pixelma | that's not true in general |
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| 09:34:00 | Clipper | hi dfkt |
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| 09:36:52 | Clipper | does anybody know when usb vor asm2 targets will be available? |
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| 09:39:45 | Clipper | thx dfkt for your custom build! |
| 09:42:39 | * | S_a_i_n_t thought RB *could* do double presses. |
| 09:42:54 | S_a_i_n_t | the menu for doom on iPod seems to suggest so |
| 09:43:10 | amiconn | The action code doesn't directly support double clicks |
| 09:43:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...perhaps I'm looking at that differently though. |
| 09:44:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Doom probably isn't the best example for anything ;) |
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| 09:45:16 | amiconn | There is a very simple reason for this: A double click only makes sense as a kind of protection against accidental operation where a single (short) click on the same button is not used |
| 09:45:34 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27509): Theme Editor: Implemented download and decompression of font pack in the preferences dialog. Dialog will also allow the user to set a directory for a ... |
| 09:46:22 | amiconn | If you want to discern single/ double click, you'll have to wait a bit after the first click whether a second one will follow. This may lead the user to think the (intended) single click didn't work, making him click a second time |
| 09:46:29 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: isn't the doom menu available by switching the hold on Ipods? |
| 09:47:14 | CIA-6 | r27509 build result: All green |
| 09:47:43 | amiconn | That said, we do have one place where we do use a double click on one target: In the FM screen on Ondio FM |
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| 09:48:19 | amiconn | It is used exactly for what it is useful: to prevent inadvertent operation |
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| 09:49:17 | pixelma | the skip to next/previous directory in the WPS is some kind of double-click on many targets too (holding, then pressing the next/previous button) |
| 09:50:06 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Yeah, when I thought about it properly I realised it wasn't really the case in question. The whole "switch hold on, then off again" to use the menu confused me a while. |
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| 09:50:40 | S_a_i_n_t | 'till I realised that, of course you need to switch it off again to use the buttons other than hold for said menu. |
| 09:51:01 | S_a_i_n_t | wasn't really what I was thinking at all. |
| 09:52:09 | Jaykay | JdGordon| if you give me a build for e200v1 and tell me what to test, i would test your skin engine patch |
| 09:52:23 | JdGordon| | ok cool... I'll do a build |
| 09:52:31 | mitk | Fuze uses slider to power on/off/DAP lock. It's hard to make "double move" with slider and it can be easy broken. |
| 09:55:45 | JdGordon| | Jaykay: building |
| 09:56:18 | pixelma | c200 uses "Long Right" for resuming (go to WPS from menu, lists), maybe that would be a possibility for the other non-wheel Sansas too? |
| 09:57:37 | JdGordon| | dont they all have a |> button? |
| 09:57:56 | pixelma | the Fuze shouldn't have a problem with keymaps there if it is the same as an e200 (up/down in lists with the wheel frees the "Play" buttonfor resuming |
| 09:58:32 | pixelma | JdGordon|: on non-wheel Sansas "Play" is "Up" because it's the upper button on the crosspad |
| 09:58:39 | JdGordon| | Jaykay: jdgordon.info/rockbox-e200.zip">http://jdgordon.info/rockbox-e200.zip if it works you shouldnt see any difference. |
| 09:59:06 | JdGordon| | pixelma: ah right, trying to remember my clip keylayout |
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| 10:02:53 | mitk | JdGordon|: Can you compile 11470 also for Fuze v1 and clip+. Or tell me how to and against which svn rev I should use your patch. No success with current svn. |
| 10:03:12 | JdGordon| | ignore the two files it says are already patched |
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| 10:03:22 | JdGordon| | and yeah, one min, I'll do them |
| 10:03:35 | mitk | JdGordon| ok, I will try then |
| 10:05:02 | amiconn | pixelma: Using long right for this removes the ability to do horizontal list scrolling |
| 10:05:45 | JdGordon| | mitk: jdgordon.info/rockbox-fuzev1.zip">http://jdgordon.info/rockbox-fuzev1.zip and http://jdgordon.info/rockbox-clipp.zip in a few minutes |
| 10:07:54 | mitk | JdGordon|: getting fuze, clipp is showing 404 |
| 10:08:00 | JdGordon| | just uploaded |
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| 10:13:25 | Jaykay | JdGordon: i played around for some minutes and didnt notice any differences... should i test e.g. some other themes? |
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| 10:18:30 | kifo | hey, I was looking for the little virtual machine rockbox things for testing out wps's and such, was this what I'm thinking of? |
| 10:18:33 | kifo | |
| 10:18:33 | kifo | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator |
| 10:18:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Indeed |
| 10:19:04 | n1s | that's a simulator, on which you can test wps'es but it's no VM |
| 10:19:22 | kifo | yea i wasnt really sure what to call it :p |
| 10:19:40 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: What you *really* want, is in the extras page |
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| 10:20:02 | S_a_i_n_t | rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator |
| 10:20:05 | kifo | bonk |
| 10:20:07 | S_a_i_n_t | there: ^ |
| 10:20:10 | kifo | yea thats what i was looking for |
| 10:20:22 | kifo | not sure if you got my last pm |
| 10:20:33 | kifo | i was looking for a current text based cram as much info as possible wps |
| 10:20:36 | kifo | i think ill just make one |
| 10:20:36 | S_a_i_n_t | The other page is just about how to build one of those |
| 10:21:09 | S_a_i_n_t | There's a *really* horrible one (IMO) on the Nano theme page |
| 10:21:14 | S_a_i_n_t | right near the bottom. |
| 10:21:23 | S_a_i_n_t | called "infoscreen" or something |
| 10:21:23 | kifo | yea i dont like any of the current ones |
| 10:21:28 | kifo | jack info is alright |
| 10:21:34 | kifo | but it isn laid out how i want it |
| 10:21:58 | * | S_a_i_n_t looks for the one he's thinking of |
| 10:22:12 | JdGord | Jaykay: the more themes tested the better. |
| 10:22:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...looks like it failed the update, I could probably fix it though |
| 10:23:06 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not listed on the "new" themesite |
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| 10:25:24 | S_a_i_n_t | GAH! are the "hidden" themes listed anywhere I can access without getting hold of a swede? |
| 10:25:43 | S_a_i_n_t | (ones that failed the update/checkwps) |
| 10:26:12 | S_a_i_n_t | The theme I'm thinking of must have failed the 3.5-3.6 change |
| 10:26:52 | bieber | Bagder: Can I get a little space on rockbox.org to host the target database file for the Theme Editor? |
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| 10:29:38 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: Does http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=104&target=ipodnano interest you? |
| 10:29:53 | S_a_i_n_t | it's currently broken, but I could probably fix it. |
| 10:30:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I think it's hideous, but, it has a LOT of info |
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| 10:32:11 | kifo | S_a_i_n_t: not really into colors |
| 10:32:21 | kifo | but closer i suppose |
| 10:32:35 | kifo | i think i can find an example in a clipP theme |
| 10:32:38 | kifo | wps* |
| 10:33:42 | kifo | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=883&target=sansaclipplus |
| 10:33:47 | kifo | thats closer |
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| 10:37:58 | Jaykay | i just noticed that quita a few themes use adobe helvetica.fnt, although its already included in the standard build... |
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| 10:48:54 | kifo | weird |
| 10:49:01 | kifo | im running into some trouble with a wps |
| 10:49:43 | kifo | invalid paremeter list for token 1: "backdrop image" |
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| 10:50:39 | kifo | %Xd then ha |
| 10:51:18 | kifo | er nvm |
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| 10:51:37 | kifo | same error |
| 10:51:38 | kifo | weird |
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| 10:53:30 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: Gimme the exact line that is erroring |
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| 10:53:57 | Jaykay | JdGordon: scrolling lines in BlacknBlue Glass dont work anymore |
| 10:54:19 | JdGordon | post in the tracker with a link to that theme |
| 10:55:00 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: For the backdrop, the syntax is "%X(filename.bmp)" |
| 10:55:07 | S_a_i_n_t | not "%Xd" |
| 10:55:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Almost all the things you have learnt with the previous syntax has changed |
| 10:55:47 | S_a_i_n_t | *have |
| 10:56:17 | kifo | so if i dont want to use one then i just make a blank bmp the size of the viewport? |
| 10:56:37 | S_a_i_n_t | If you don;t want to use one, don't declare one ;) |
| 10:57:04 | kifo | that gives the error though |
| 10:57:19 | JdGordon | whats this "almost all tihngs"? |
| 10:57:22 | JdGordon | almost onthing changed! |
| 10:57:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...then, something else is wrong |
| 10:57:34 | kifo | invalid parameter list for token 1 "backdrop image" |
| 10:57:42 | kifo | yea when i start the simulater it gives me a similar |
| 10:57:48 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: %Xd is for disabling a menu backdrop IIRC |
| 10:57:55 | kifo | invalid parameter list for token one "no token" |
| 10:58:07 | kifo | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 10:58:16 | kifo | %Xd is listed there |
| 10:58:18 | kifo | under images |
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| 10:58:27 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Isn't disabling the backdrop exactly the same as not including one though? |
| 10:59:13 | kifo | so i guess the question is whats up with the error on startup |
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| 10:59:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I honestly can't remember...I thought if you didn't include the %X(blah) line, you didn;t get a backdrop. |
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| 11:00:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Been a long time since I made a theme without one |
| 11:00:15 | kifo | wait changing the themes and wps fixed the error on startup |
| 11:00:19 | kifo | must be something with my wps |
| 11:00:39 | S_a_i_n_t | what is the line that is failing, can you paste it here |
| 11:00:53 | S_a_i_n_t | (if it's more than one line, pastebin it) |
| 11:01:22 | kifo | is there a bot function or i can do it externally lol |
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| 11:01:41 | S_a_i_n_t | huh? |
| 11:02:00 | JdGordon | %X(d) says "dont show any background image, use the backgorund colour instead" |
| 11:02:03 | S_a_i_n_t | The "new" theme tags give no mention of "%Xd" |
| 11:02:09 | JdGordon | %X(-) says use the backdrop setting |
| 11:02:09 | S_a_i_n_t | could be missing from the manual. |
| 11:02:10 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/XB3PH4jf |
| 11:02:14 | JdGordon | - is the same as no %X |
| 11:02:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm just concerned about using the CustomWPS page |
| 11:02:31 | S_a_i_n_t | some of the syntax there is blatantly wrong |
| 11:02:34 | kifo | hmm |
| 11:02:40 | kifo | well is there some more current one somewhere heh |
| 11:02:46 | kifo | im sort of new at this |
| 11:02:54 | S_a_i_n_t | In the manual |
| 11:02:58 | kifo | okay |
| 11:03:02 | S_a_i_n_t | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-build.html |
| 11:03:02 | kifo | oohhhh right duh |
| 11:03:15 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/XB3PH4jfhttp://pastebin.com/XB3PH4jfhttp://pastebin.com/XB3PH4jfhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-build.html |
| 11:03:18 | kifo | oops |
| 11:03:44 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: So, %X(-) == No backdrop? |
| 11:03:55 | JdGordon | no |
| 11:04:35 | S_a_i_n_t | AH, right...just re-read it. |
| 11:04:35 | JdGordon | in the wps %X(-) means find the first of sbs, backdrop setting which is set |
| 11:04:55 | S_a_i_n_t | So, I was right? If you don't want a backdrop, don't worry about any backdrop related tags? |
| 11:05:48 | * | S_a_i_n_t thinks customWPS needs to be updated, or deleted. |
| 11:05:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Info in two places is confusing as hell |
| 11:06:28 | kifo | so the font syntax was wrong i guess |
| 11:06:35 | kifo | changed that but still getinng that weird backdrop error |
| 11:06:50 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: just delete the %Xd |
| 11:06:55 | S_a_i_n_t | see if that works |
| 11:07:08 | S_a_i_n_t | IIUC, it is not needed |
| 11:07:08 | kifo | i did |
| 11:07:14 | kifo | i dont have any %X |
| 11:07:26 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...Hmmm. |
| 11:07:28 | kifo | it also gives me that token error |
| 11:07:30 | kifo | on start up |
| 11:07:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm just guessing now really, it'd be good to see your wps. |
| 11:07:48 | kifo | invalid parameter list for token 1 "no token" |
| 11:07:53 | S_a_i_n_t | can you pastebin it? |
| 11:07:55 | kifo | yea lemme post the new one |
| 11:08:01 | kifo | i did like 25 lines up but its changed now |
| 11:08:42 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/xcP36Bx6 |
| 11:09:43 | Jaykay | JdGordon: posted in fs. i tested 10 themes, eveything exept scrolling (in half of the themes) works. |
| 11:10:19 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: http://pastebin.com/38EAeLMM |
| 11:10:27 | S_a_i_n_t | font was wrong |
| 11:10:33 | S_a_i_n_t | no ' ' 's needed |
| 11:10:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, you also need a viewport to call an additional font |
| 11:11:15 | S_a_i_n_t | the font you're calling isn't being used anywhere |
| 11:12:23 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/4PeL9WhS |
| 11:12:30 | S_a_i_n_t | +should work |
| 11:12:36 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: ^ |
| 11:13:22 | S_a_i_n_t | An additional font needs to be called by the viewport. In this case I just added a viewport that takes up the whole screen. |
| 11:14:18 | kifo | i think im going to start with something a little easier than a max info wps :D |
| 11:14:37 | S_a_i_n_t | this is about as easy as it'll get. ;) |
| 11:14:47 | S_a_i_n_t | try my last pastebin, should work fine |
| 11:15:26 | kifo | hmm |
| 11:15:31 | kifo | do i need to list the full path for the font |
| 11:15:37 | S_a_i_n_t | no. |
| 11:15:57 | S_a_i_n_t | The sim may not have the font you want included though |
| 11:16:05 | S_a_i_n_t | it doesn;t come with the fontpack instaleld |
| 11:16:06 | kifo | its in the sim disc |
| 11:16:42 | S_a_i_n_t | then %Fl(identifier,fontname.fnt) is the correct syntax |
| 11:16:51 | S_a_i_n_t | it is correct in the pastebin I posted |
| 11:17:16 | S_a_i_n_t | *doh. |
| 11:17:21 | * | S_a_i_n_t kicks self |
| 11:17:26 | kifo | /kick self |
| 11:18:07 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/SLiRNraM |
| 11:18:24 | S_a_i_n_t | the font needs to be declared *before* the viewport that uses it. |
| 11:18:33 | S_a_i_n_t | ...end of kicking self |
| 11:18:36 | kifo | lol @ slirnram |
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| 11:20:24 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/SLiRNraM |
| 11:21:10 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: http://pastebin.com/MBTgU8Ps |
| 11:21:10 | kifo | not loadin for me |
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| 11:21:14 | kifo | the link i mean |
| 11:21:14 | kifo | oh |
| 11:21:21 | S_a_i_n_t | (realised I had the %wd in the wrong place) |
| 11:21:23 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/MBTgU8Ps |
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| 11:22:23 | S_a_i_n_t | the one I pasted last, the link above? |
| 11:22:31 | kifo | oh the link works |
| 11:22:33 | * | S_a_i_n_t thinks we should maybe move this to PM |
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| 11:39:46 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon1: Is there a list of *absolutely* every theme tag there is? |
| 11:40:18 | S_a_i_n_t | all the missing ones from the manual, and the afct the customWPS has blatantly wrong syntax is pissing me off. |
| 11:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | So, I guess (sigh) that makes me the ideal person to do something abot it. |
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| 13:06:02 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: yes and no |
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| 13:10:22 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/lib/skin_parser/tag_table.c?revision=27426&view=markup is *the* place which will always have the up to date list of tags and what they expect |
| 13:11:08 | JdGordon | I thought we agreed (maybe only in priciple) to buid a plain text file which outlines what each tag does and how to use it so it can be used by the manual and editor and everything? |
| 13:11:22 | JdGordon | I guess we just need to decide on the format for that file and then someone to do it |
| 13:11:47 | JdGordon | xml to the rescue! |
| 13:14:12 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/7zTkrHA1 maybe |
| 13:15:01 | JdGordon | I'm sure there is a xml->TeX script and the editor should be easily able to use that for help text... bieber pixelma? |
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| 13:17:09 | JdGordon | and if we do decide to do that then we should build a script to even go xml -> c to build the table linked above |
| 13:17:40 | JdGordon | then we only ever need to edit one file there to make new tags work (on the lib/doc side anyway) |
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| 13:21:58 | JdGordon | mitk: which theme? |
| 13:22:00 | JdGordon | (data aborts) |
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| 13:29:07 | webguest81 | hey quick guestion will rockbox delete my music |
| 13:30:26 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:30:30 | pixelma | what do you mean? If you want to delete the track or ? |
| 13:31:27 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'm not aware of a premade script we could just use as is, but it's probably doable |
| 13:31:58 | JdGordon | does it sound like something worth doing? |
| 13:32:39 | JdGordon | and does the above xml seem like it would be sufficient? |
| 13:32:40 | * | JdGordon doesnt even know if that is valid xml |
| 13:33:59 | pixelma | would be nice I think, I don't know if xml is the way to go. Maybe bluebrother could answer that better as he knows more about TeX's internals |
| 13:35:43 | JdGordon | I want to stay as close to plain text as possible... I could easily see us wanting to use $param_name in the text and haveing a script replace that, but other than that the formatting should be entirely seperate |
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| 13:38:24 | pixelma | we parse features.txt, so I guess some formatted text could do, something like e.g. one tag + description on one line, tag at the beginning, description follows and is enclosed in {} or something |
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| 13:40:09 | JdGordon | ah crud.. forgot about #ifdef and target dependadnt stuff |
| 13:40:15 | JdGordon | I suppose we oculd add that |
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| 13:41:04 | mitk | JdGordon: tried DAP with no config.cfg so I assume it was cabbie and then Unicatcher after that |
| 13:44:59 | JdGordon | mitk: can you try some quick fixes? my fuze is currently charging |
| 13:48:15 | mitk | JdGordon: I have 15 minutes now, I'll be back in 3 hours. Is it good for you to test after I'm back? |
| 13:48:58 | JdGordon | I'll probably be asleep... see how we go |
| 13:49:44 | mitk | JdGordon: pls describe fixes now, I will apply them later |
| 13:50:40 | pixelma | mitk: please type out please ;) |
| 13:50:54 | JdGordon | trying to work out what the cause is, so no idea yet |
| 13:50:59 | mitk | As you wish: please |
| 13:51:43 | mitk | JdGordon: Then put it for the logs, please :) |
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| 14:06:19 | | Nick YPSY is now known as Ypsy (~ypsy@geekpadawan.de) |
| 14:07:52 | Ypsy | Morning |
| 14:08:51 | Ypsy | When I was in holiday I accidentaly pulled some water over my sansa fuze with rockbox on it, I let it dry and when I started it again the next day it only started the original firmware |
| 14:09:10 | Ypsy | I tried completely removing rockbox and reinstalling it with the utility but it still only starts the original one |
| 14:09:15 | Ypsy | any idea what could have happened? |
| 14:11:20 | gevaerts | a bad contact so it always sees some buttons pressed maybe? |
| 14:11:40 | Ypsy | holy... you're a genius |
| 14:11:47 | Ypsy | the left button isnt working anymore |
| 14:11:49 | Ypsy | thats probably it |
| 14:12:00 | Ypsy | never thought of it *g* |
| 14:12:34 | Ypsy | hmm but making it work again will be hard wont it? |
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| 14:14:26 | gevaerts | you might get rockbox running again by building a special bootloader that doesn't use "left" as the OF selector |
| 14:14:50 | Ypsy | that's an idea |
| 14:15:00 | gevaerts | After that you'd probably still need a rockbox build with a changed keymap that doesn't use that button |
| 14:15:29 | Ypsy | is it possible to get the button working again? |
| 14:15:59 | gevaerts | no idea |
| 14:16:26 | gevaerts | It could just be a dirty contact, or maybe that part isn't fully dry yet |
| 14:16:58 | * | gevaerts recommends asking funman. He has lots of experience with opened and broken fuzes... |
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| 14:17:49 | Ypsy | okies thanks a lot ill ask him next time, need to leave now |
| 14:17:52 | Ypsy | cya |
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| 14:41:39 | aglaea | I have a question about the shorcuts. |
| 14:42:03 | aglaea | can I directly start an plugin application, from a link file? |
| 14:44:36 | aglaea | For example I would want pictureflow to be displayed under the main menu or the file dir. |
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| 14:46:06 | Torne | you can make a shortcut to a .rock i think, yes; that will then show up in the file browser |
| 14:46:24 | Torne | shortcuts are just files on disk, though, they don't show up in the menus |
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| 14:47:36 | aglaea | I already made a link file, which ends up at the plugin itself, but is there a way to start the plugin throughout a .link file? |
| 14:48:37 | aglaea | also, currently I can't place a link file under the menu? |
| 14:48:47 | Torne | Oh, it just takes you to the directory? Yeah, that's not so useful |
| 14:48:51 | Torne | and no, you can't edit the menus in any way |
| 14:49:07 | Torne | the link files are files. they show up in the file browser whever you put them. |
| 14:49:13 | aglaea | That's a shame. So, how can I start it directly? :) |
| 14:50:13 | aglaea | I'll just keep the link files in the root, so, the point is, the explanation in the manual is rather short. |
| 14:50:17 | Torne | yo ucan set hte WPS hotkey to be jump to pictureflow |
| 14:50:26 | Torne | then pressing it while on the WPS will launch pictureflow again |
| 14:50:26 | aglaea | when I use the line: "/.rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow.rock" it ends up at the dir. |
| 14:50:29 | Torne | this was implemented recently |
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| 14:51:59 | aglaea | WPS stands for? I'm sorry.. not that familiar with terms. |
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| 14:52:35 | JdGordon | while playing screen |
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| 14:53:55 | aglaea | Alright, that's usefull, but I'll have to access a song first. |
| 14:54:14 | aglaea | Mind helping me with the .link first? haha :) |
| 14:55:05 | gevaerts | Help how? |
| 14:55:15 | aglaea | comes down to, how do I execute a .rock file throughout a .link |
| 14:55:29 | gevaerts | you don't apparently |
| 14:55:38 | aglaea | It isn't possible? |
| 14:55:53 | Torne | well, i haven't tried, but i would've done what you did |
| 14:56:05 | Torne | if all that does is open the file browser to the file, then that's all it's going to do. |
| 14:56:13 | gevaerts | and as far as I can see, that's perfectly reasonable (and therefore most probably intended) behaviour for the usecase shortcuts were designed for |
| 14:56:19 | Torne | yeah |
| 14:56:49 | aglaea | that means that there are no special parameters for the .link file to execute? |
| 14:57:08 | Torne | if the manual doesn't mention them, probably not |
| 14:57:30 | Torne | the explanation in the manual is rather short because the shortcut plugin doesn't do very much |
| 14:57:34 | Torne | :) |
| 14:57:42 | aglaea | Yeah, that's probably why. ;) |
| 14:57:52 | S_a_i_n_t | No, it's not possible |
| 14:58:21 | aglaea | Thanks either way, I'll look up the WPS hotkey, since which build has it been implemented? |
| 14:58:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I've tried and tried, even modifying how the shortcuts work internally...no luck ;) |
| 14:58:34 | aglaea | alright saint, good to know. |
| 14:58:44 | gevaerts | Don't hotkeys also work in the file browser? |
| 14:58:47 | Torne | aglaea: weeks/months ago, it should be ok |
| 14:58:55 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: yes |
| 14:59:00 | Torne | gevaerts: i don't think there's any way to set the file hotkey to be that, though, is there? |
| 14:59:07 | Torne | the jump to pictureflow thing is only on the wps context menu |
| 14:59:11 | aglaea | I'm using an older version, since I have some nand errors with the latest releases. |
| 14:59:11 | gevaerts | no idea |
| 14:59:11 | Torne | or am i wrong ;) |
| 14:59:41 | aglaea | File hotkey, let me look that up. |
| 14:59:56 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: Though, there isn't a Menu hotkey for pictureflow though |
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| 15:00:07 | S_a_i_n_t | it'd be *really* trivial to add though |
| 15:00:41 | * | gevaerts won't stop people adding it, but he *really* doesn't understand why people want pictureflow so much... |
| 15:01:24 | aglaea | seems the hotkey works the same as in WPS, so it should work. |
| 15:01:35 | Torne | it works the same, yes, but the set of options is not the same |
| 15:01:50 | Torne | pictureflow might be available, though, i don't know offhand |
| 15:01:58 | JdGordon | gevaerts: with WPS integration, and working cover images AND your reguar usage is playing albums then it is a ncier database viewer than the text list |
| 15:01:59 | aglaea | I'll check in a min. |
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| 15:02:44 | gevaerts | JdGordon: if you have five albums, sure, but if you have five hundred? |
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| 15:02:57 | aglaea | Database viewer works perfect too, but album viewer is more.. interesting. |
| 15:03:02 | JdGordon | bluebrother: lib would be an ideal place to put imported code which doesnt really belong in the core codebase or rbutil/theme base.. like that zip lib which bieber imported |
| 15:03:09 | francesco_ | is there a way to hide/disable voices from the main menu? |
| 15:03:21 | Torne | JdGordon: the text list is much faster :) |
| 15:03:45 | [Saint] | francesco_: Yes. |
| 15:03:49 | JdGordon | I didnt say it was faster :) I said it was nicer |
| 15:03:52 | aglaea | It is, but it would be pretty if you could use the pictureflow for a specific artist. |
| 15:04:13 | francesco_ | [Saint]: without editing cpp source code? |
| 15:04:17 | [Saint] | francesco_: Settings/General Settings/Voice |
| 15:04:32 | Torne | JdGordon: also i don't recognise very many album covers ;) |
| 15:04:34 | * | [Saint] also hands francesco_ a copy of the manual |
| 15:04:36 | aglaea | There usually don't go up to 15 max. albums, so for that, pictureflow might be useful. |
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| 15:05:04 | Torne | JdGordon: so it's much harder to use than a text list, since i can only see one title at a time ;) |
| 15:05:11 | aglaea | Torne, if you display the album art in your WPS, you might get the hang of it. |
| 15:05:13 | [Saint] | Is this a "is pictureflow usefull" discussion? |
| 15:05:20 | [Saint] | if so == heck yeah! |
| 15:05:21 | aglaea | apperantly. |
| 15:05:26 | [Saint] | *and*, it's cool ;) |
| 15:05:29 | Torne | aglaea: i do have album art displayed.. but whe nwould i look? :) |
| 15:05:31 | aglaea | It is. :) |
| 15:05:32 | Torne | i don't look at the screen |
| 15:05:34 | JdGordon | or if you BUY cds.... |
| 15:05:38 | Torne | psh |
| 15:05:45 | Torne | i buy music on the internet |
| 15:05:48 | aglaea | Well, torne. |
| 15:05:53 | Torne | it comes with an album cover, but i don't look at it :) |
| 15:05:54 | francesco_ | [Saint] : misunderstood. i need to hide menu items |
| 15:06:03 | aglaea | when I want a specific song, I'm used to browsing albums. |
| 15:06:13 | aglaea | It's in my nature, not used to browse songs. |
| 15:06:15 | [Saint] | francesco_: Define please? |
| 15:06:36 | [Saint] | as in, stop them from being voiced, or, move them completely? |
| 15:06:41 | gevaerts | aglaea: I could see pictureflow being useful if such filters/selections were there, but now? |
| 15:06:48 | [Saint] | if the latter, no. |
| 15:06:52 | francesco_ | [Saint]: i'm not using half of the functins of rockbox (FM radio for ex). I'd like to hide that option from the main menu |
| 15:06:58 | [Saint] | Nope |
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| 15:07:05 | Torne | francesco_: not without editing the osurce code and doing a custom build, no |
| 15:07:09 | [Saint] | not without editing the source anyway |
| 15:07:21 | [Saint] | which, you *probably* don;t want to do I'm guessing |
| 15:07:22 | aglaea | Geva, you have the hotkey in WPS. for example, when you play a specific artists, e.g. The Doors. |
| 15:07:32 | francesco_ | Torne, [Saint] : thanks |
| 15:07:38 | gevaerts | Yes, but I *never* play anything from The Doors! |
| 15:07:47 | gevaerts | And my name is not Geva :) |
| 15:07:56 | [Saint] | The menu is coded in quite a few places, I've done so myself...but, Iwouldn;t advise it. |
| 15:07:57 | aglaea | And you use the hotkey, (assign a parameter (artist name)) you could limit the selection of the picture flow. |
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| 15:08:18 | gevaerts | aglaea: yes, but *that's not there*! How is it useful *now*? |
| 15:08:45 | aglaea | You mean, the current functionality of Picture Flow? |
| 15:08:49 | [Saint] | does pictureflow use Idv3 tags, or it's own obscure something-or-other? |
| 15:09:38 | aglaea | Wouldn't know. |
| 15:09:44 | [Saint] | In theory, it *could* sort the same as the database...but, not without someone willing to do it. |
| 15:10:13 | * | gevaerts doesn't understand why people want easy access to pictureflow because maybe some day someone will add features that make it useful |
| 15:10:14 | aglaea | http://code.google.com/p/pictureflow/ |
| 15:10:42 | [Saint] | We *have* the code already ;) |
| 15:10:46 | gevaerts | aglaea: this is #rockbox. Any talk about pictureflow here is going to be about the one in rockbox |
| 15:11:05 | aglaea | Yes, but the one in rockbox is based on the one from google. |
| 15:11:23 | aglaea | If I'm correct. |
| 15:11:40 | gevaerts | what does that change? Pictureflow in rockbox has the features of pictureflow in rockbox |
| 15:12:09 | JdGordon | pictureflow uses the database |
| 15:12:31 | [Saint] | JdGordon: So, it *could* sort by artist etc. it just...doesn't. |
| 15:12:42 | [Saint] | (if I get inspired one day...maybe) |
| 15:12:53 | JdGordon | in theory |
| 15:13:03 | JdGordon | well it uses the db to get the cover images so I assume it does for everythign |
| 15:13:39 | [Saint] | Hmmm...I'm *guessing* it's a little out of my league, but, I've been surprised by what I can do before. |
| 15:14:02 | [Saint] | Or, how simple some things really are rather, my skills are crap :P |
| 15:14:11 | JdGordon | it is only slightly more complicated than rearranging the menus... |
| 15:14:26 | aglaea | Torne, can't you add names to the albums in pictureflow? |
| 15:15:17 | [Saint] | Not specifically to albums in pictureflow, but to albums globally...yes |
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| 15:15:50 | aglaea | Which can be displayed in picture flow also, right? |
| 15:15:58 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 15:16:37 | [Saint] | you'd need to add the artist name to the album name tag though...which will mess up database sorting |
| 15:16:39 | aglaea | So now Torne doesn't have to worry anymore about not knowing an albums art. |
| 15:16:56 | aglaea | ok |
| 15:16:59 | [Saint] | I assume he didn;t anyway |
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| 15:18:03 | francesco_ | where can i find the editable source code? |
| 15:18:04 | [Saint] | To get it to sort the way you want, the "Album" metadata would have to be <Artist - Album> |
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| 15:18:14 | [Saint] | which, is just..yuck IMO |
| 15:18:27 | aglaea | haha |
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| 15:19:01 | [Saint] | francesco_: You'll also need to set up a development environment |
| 15:19:05 | [Saint] | which OS do you run? |
| 15:19:13 | | Quit joecool (Quit: bbl work occurs) |
| 15:19:50 | [Saint] | It's not as simple as "edit this file, put it on my player" |
| 15:19:54 | [Saint] | see here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
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| 15:20:26 | JdGordon | do segfaults always show up on target as data abort? |
| 15:20:40 | JdGordon | trying to dereference 0x0... |
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| 15:22:11 | kugel | JdGordon: null pointer dereference often doesn't show up at all on targets (not on arm at least) :) |
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| 15:22:46 | JdGordon | can you tell I'm getting sleepy? :) that is probably the problem then |
| 15:23:27 | Michael777 | hello? |
| 15:23:52 | Michael777 | vxcz |
| 15:23:53 | [Saint] | yes, we're here |
| 15:24:02 | [Saint] | Ask a question if you have one |
| 15:24:28 | Michael777 | darn lags |
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| 15:25:18 | Michael777 | anybody there? |
| 15:25:28 | [Saint] | 124 people in fact |
| 15:25:31 | [Saint] | Ask a question if you have one |
| 15:25:41 | Michael777 | fianlly |
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| 15:27:58 | aglaea | Guys, I'm out, thanks either way. ;) |
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| 15:30:34 | [Saint] | maraz: Ping? |
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| 15:30:50 | [Saint] | any other Nano1g user: Ping? |
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| 15:34:02 | JdGordon | should themes really hard fail if a font doesnt load? |
| 15:34:18 | Torne | probably.. there's no guarantee it's even readable with sysfont, surely? :) |
| 15:34:27 | * | [Saint] thinks they should just default to userfont, if not userfont, sysfont |
| 15:34:38 | Torne | what would you do instead? |
| 15:34:52 | Torne | if you just skip extra fonts and use userfont lots of themes will be broken/unreadable |
| 15:35:02 | Torne | because of fonts being too large/small for their intended viewports |
| 15:35:30 | Torne | it's useful to point out to the user that they have a missing font, rather than the theme just being crappy |
| 15:36:07 | [Saint] | But, it doesn't point it out. |
| 15:36:10 | [Saint] | It just fails. |
| 15:36:19 | [Saint] | A splash would be nice |
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| 15:36:23 | Torne | well, that sucks |
| 15:36:25 | Torne | yes, a splash would be good |
| 15:36:35 | Torne | but a splash and then going on to load the theme anyway seems sucky, user might miss it |
| 15:36:44 | [Saint] | Error: Missing font <fontname> |
| 15:37:09 | [Saint] | iff enough screen: download themepack from <url> |
| 15:37:22 | [Saint] | *err, fontpack even |
| 15:38:08 | [Saint] | Torne: What the themes do now if they fail anything is default to the hardcaoded theme IIRC |
| 15:38:27 | [Saint] | haven't seen that on device in a while though |
| 15:38:31 | * | JdGordon thinks he might have fixed the reported data abort :) |
| 15:38:33 | Torne | hm, that's also kinda sucky :) |
| 15:38:40 | [Saint] | just a little |
| 15:38:45 | Torne | not sure how to fail nicely, though |
| 15:39:02 | [Saint] | you get no *reason*, it just fails silently. |
| 15:39:10 | [Saint] | well, semi-silently. |
| 15:39:24 | [Saint] | you get rewarded with a horrible default theme for the trouble ;) |
| 15:39:48 | JdGordon | well we could add debug output but there will be a fairly big bin hit doing that |
| 15:40:17 | [Saint] | that's whyI hadn't suggested that yet |
| 15:40:24 | [Saint] | Would a splash be any cheaper? |
| 15:40:25 | JdGordon | bieber: you're parser sucks! it doesnt check for out of memory enough!! :) |
| 15:40:43 | JdGordon | [Saint]: the point with proper output is that it would say what failed |
| 15:40:49 | Torne | JdGordon: right, but you could at least differentiate file-not-found/etc |
| 15:40:51 | JdGordon | but then that is what the theme programs are for |
| 15:41:26 | [Saint] | theme program can't pick up if you get everything right on the sim/editor, then don;t have the font on device |
| 15:41:39 | [Saint] | as I understand it, the editor automatically gets the fontpack |
| 15:42:05 | [Saint] | So, a new user still wouldn;t know *why* it failed. |
| 15:42:14 | Torne | JdGordon: would it be that big to remember what filename it failed to load? I dunno. |
| 15:42:48 | JdGordon | not at all... the filename is loaded into ram and stored anyway |
| 15:43:29 | Torne | i mean, through the whole process |
| 15:43:36 | Torne | so you can just hav eone splash at the top level somewhere |
| 15:43:44 | Torne | I dunno. It seems worth having a *little* feedback |
| 15:43:46 | JdGordon | sure, easy |
| 15:44:22 | JdGordon | how though? unless we hack together a full screen error message, splash is going to be too small |
| 15:44:40 | Torne | i dunno.you're the ui guy :) |
| 15:44:48 | [Saint] | Is there any way I can enable skin debug output on device? I don't care if I have to piss around to build it. I have an .sbs that fails to load on device, but the sim/editor load it fine. |
| 15:44:59 | [Saint] | it's *really* pissing me off I can't debug it. |
| 15:46:20 | JdGordon | [Saint]: test it in my patch... |
| 15:46:32 | JdGordon | if it loads there then forget about it... old parser is dead |
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| 15:47:36 | JdGordon | bieber: is there any error checking at all in the parser? |
| 15:48:11 | [Saint] | JdGordon: It didn't. :/ |
| 15:48:35 | JdGordon | zip it up and pass it here |
| 15:48:38 | [Saint] | I tried that as a last hope, but, I haven't built with your patch since a few updates ago |
| 15:50:58 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-b342a9b1.html <−− JdGordon |
| 15:51:14 | JdGordon | nano I assume? |
| 15:51:18 | [Saint] | Indeed |
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| 16:01:32 | mc2739 | JdGordon: got a patch for testing? |
| 16:01:49 | JdGordon | bieber: looks like the theme editor wont open a .WPS file... .wps only? |
| 16:02:05 | JdGordon | mc2739: no.. still workiong on it.. looks like filling the skni buffer is fatal |
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| 16:11:20 | mitk | JdGordon: for clip+ got data abort at 30026EF8, FSR 0x8 (domain 0, fault 8) address 0xEA000053 |
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| 16:11:57 | JdGordon | yeah ok... I'm hoping I know what the problem is |
| 16:12:15 | JdGordon | or, either way I'm adding a bunch of error checking now |
| 16:15:23 | bertrik | I can save reduce size, source code lines and complexity when moving the deemphasis value in the fm_region_data struct and calculating the FM band frequency/range from the fm_region_data struct (instead of taking it from a tuner-specific region data struct) |
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| 16:31:53 | [Saint] | Hmmm, I fear this may be a question for the recently retired JdGordon but, is there a limit on the path lenght for images in themes perhaps? |
| 16:32:24 | [Saint] | bah, no...if that were the case the .wps and .fms would fail also. :/ |
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| 16:45:11 | * | bertrik received a COMBO4E revision of the clip+ today |
| 16:49:50 | kugel | we fail if bitmaps don't load, so we should as well when fonts don't load |
| 16:50:22 | [Saint] | kugel: It does fail, the question was *how* it shoul dfail. |
| 16:50:31 | kugel | completely |
| 16:50:44 | [Saint] | at the moment, it fails silently. |
| 16:50:58 | kugel | it should show the built-in wps |
| 16:51:21 | [Saint] | All you get is the built-in theme, and puzzlement at why it didn't work as there is no (visible) error |
| 16:51:21 | kugel | which has always been the best indicator for "this theme is broken" :) |
| 16:51:29 | [Saint] | it isn't though |
| 16:51:38 | [Saint] | it just makes people think "wtf?!?" |
| 16:51:48 | kugel | it's no "puzzlement", it's been like that ever since |
| 16:52:06 | [Saint] | but, if you're new...it's completely mind boggling. |
| 16:52:39 | kugel | there could be a splash sure, but I don't like trying to recover in any way |
| 16:53:02 | [Saint] | theme X loads, but theme Y gives this black and white crap looking theme...what?!? the screenshot was WAY better! etc. |
| 16:53:23 | dfkt | bertrik, what's a COMBO4E revision? |
| 16:53:36 | [Saint] | Oh, sure...I don't think it *should* recover, but "Failed to load: X" would be a marked improvemeny |
| 16:53:42 | kugel | [Saint]: clearly X is working, and Y is broken |
| 16:53:56 | [Saint] | kugel: It's not clear to some though. |
| 16:54:00 | kugel | I don't disagree with a splash |
| 16:54:16 | bertrik | There appear to be two hardware revisions of the clip+, called "HERMON" (presumably older) and "COMBO4E" (presumably newer) |
| 16:54:29 | [Saint] | If we get splashes about data aborts that an average user isn't going to care less abot, then "failed to load X" seems completely sane. |
| 16:54:46 | bertrik | You can see these names in the [Hw Info] diagnostic screen of the clip+ |
| 16:55:09 | dfkt | bertrik, interesting, i will check mine right away :) |
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| 16:56:21 | bertrik | dfkt, we've discovered that several things can be different between clip+ players: radio chip (SI4702 or RDA5802), display (132 pixels or 128 pixels wide buffer) and now also some kind of general hardware revision (HERMON vs. COMBO4E) |
| 16:56:39 | dfkt | sandisk doesn't make it easy... |
| 16:58:54 | bertrik | For the fuze v2 there is probably something similar going on, which was part of the reason why these fuzes v2 refused to flash. funman already fixed that yesterday as far as I know |
| 16:59:01 | [Saint] | They probably got a better deal of cheaper, compatible hardware. |
| 16:59:11 | [Saint] | s/of/on/ |
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| 17:00:13 | * | maraz is alive again |
| 17:00:20 | maraz | and yes, i have problems with 3.6 and nano 1g |
| 17:00:39 | maraz | my unit seems to be overheating which leads to read errors and very funky playback and eventually, crash |
| 17:01:12 | maraz | if i let it crash and just reboot it -> "no .rockbox directory, installation incomplete" |
| 17:01:39 | maraz | if i cool it e.g. by keeping the flat back against a cool metal surface for a while, it boots without a hitch and plays fine for a while |
| 17:02:52 | maraz | it could be just the flash chip, though, since it's been quite a while since my last totally clean format. any guesses |
| 17:06:07 | [Saint] | Hmmm..pass. While you're here though... |
| 17:06:22 | [Saint] | Do you get a "hiss" when booting your Nano1G? |
| 17:06:49 | [Saint] | In your earphones/IEMS/whatever obviously |
| 17:07:31 | [Saint] | I get a (very clear) "hissing" sound, until the first sound event, be it keyclick, voice or playback. |
| 17:08:54 | [Saint] | I know its not my IEMs as it happens no matter what I plug it into, and it stops as soon as there is a keyclick |
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| 17:38:35 | * | [Saint] looks at Default_CFG_Values. Are "enter" and "hover" (values for Talk Dir Clips, apparently) target specific? |
| 17:38:53 | [Saint] | I certainly don't have these options on Nano1/2G |
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| 17:44:25 | mitk | What is magic combo for making screendump on fuze v1 and clip+ ? |
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| 17:51:06 | pixelma | mitk: usually you enable screendump in the debug menu and if you plug the USB cable the dump should be saved. Not sure if it's working with those but it should |
| 17:51:49 | mitk | pixelma: thanks :) |
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| 18:13:28 | EvanCarroll | is there any plan to impliment double-click, or scroll-wheel through song |
| 18:13:41 | EvanCarroll | I see a patch on FS, but no update in over two years. |
| 18:13:46 | EvanCarroll | the patch apears to be well received |
| 18:13:48 | EvanCarroll | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7762 |
| 18:13:56 | EvanCarroll | This is never going to be synced again. Since double-click was rejected there really isn't any point. If you guys are really wanting to use it I have a copy of it in my set of patches for my build at http://home.centurytel.net/tdtooke/patches.zip You'll need to apply progressbar-slider as well as double-click to use it though since my personal version I had to modify to coexist with that patch. |
| 18:14:02 | EvanCarroll | is this still the policy? |
| 18:15:02 | [Saint] | If it was going into SVM, I'd say it would not have sat unmaintained for 2 years |
| 18:15:07 | [Saint] | *SVN |
| 18:17:15 | Torne | "policy"? |
| 18:17:23 | Torne | that's a statement by the author of the patch |
| 18:17:40 | Torne | if someone else works on it and solves any outstanding issues and interests a developer, then it can go in, sure. |
| 18:17:51 | EvanCarroll | I read it as, 'double-click being rejected (upstream)' |
| 18:17:56 | EvanCarroll | which sounds to me like a policy |
| 18:18:34 | [Saint] | it also clearly states that double click is not necessry for it to function |
| 18:21:41 | Torne | someone said, at some point, that we didnt want double click of the select button to switch to a different seek mode |
| 18:22:00 | Torne | so 1) this isn't an unchangeable policy, developers are human beings who can be persuaded by logical arguments |
| 18:22:06 | Torne | and 2) this isn't required for the functionality to work |
| 18:22:36 | Torne | we have only a very very short list of fixed "this is not going to happen"s: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo |
| 18:22:46 | Torne | shorter than it was, after the last devcon discussion :) |
| 18:23:04 | * | [Saint] sees a hotkey being more likely than double click if it were to be implemnted. |
| 18:23:11 | [Saint] | which, is still a big if. |
| 18:23:16 | Torne | it sounds like the author of the patch had a specific idea of what UI he wanted, and got fed up when people disagreed |
| 18:23:29 | Torne | the actual *feature* of being able to scrub through the song is perfectly reasonable |
| 18:23:57 | [Saint] | odd dependencies on other things, not so much. |
| 18:24:27 | Torne | rather than work with us on a different UI that was acceptable, he abandoned it and left. |
| 18:24:31 | Torne | :) |
| 18:25:00 | Torne | EvanCarroll: So, nobody is working on it. If someone works on it, then they're welcome to prod us about whether it can go in. |
| 18:25:01 | [Saint] | He made it work for Nano too...if he saw my theme he'd spit balls ! :P |
| 18:25:20 | Torne | It's likely that the double-click button thing will still be refused, but there are plenty of other ways to initiate it |
| 18:25:34 | Torne | there is no reason why rockbox should copy the apple firmware's UI (especially since we don't just run on ipods) |
| 18:25:40 | Torne | is that enough of an answer? :) |
| 18:25:58 | [Saint] | Ironically though, didn't double click find itself in discussion earlier today? |
| 18:26:12 | [Saint] | (read no false hope into that though EvanCarroll) |
| 18:26:13 | Torne | i didn't see one :) |
| 18:26:14 | sinthetek | just checking: will rockbox support any size microsd or does that depend on the specific device/architecture you're using it on? |
| 18:26:26 | Torne | sinthetek: Should be any size |
| 18:26:26 | [Saint] | Torne: I'll try find it. |
| 18:26:32 | Torne | All SD and SDHC cards are the same, physically |
| 18:26:37 | Torne | supporting SDHC is just a driver issue |
| 18:26:42 | Torne | and our drivers should do it ;) |
| 18:27:33 | sinthetek | sweet, just making sure before i spend money on a bigger one. i forgot to check last time and then when i realized my old firmware wouldn't have even supported i was like 'wow' |
| 18:27:44 | sinthetek | 'good thing i have rockbox!' :P |
| 18:27:49 | sinthetek | oki, thanks |
| 18:28:03 | Torne | SDXC is different physically, though |
| 18:28:11 | Torne | but that's really new, so you're probably ok :) |
| 18:28:22 | EvanCarroll | personally, I think the double click idea is the best implimentation/application of it I can think of. I do listen to lengthy audio-books (30min maxish), and I've never *wanted* this feature. |
| 18:28:58 | Torne | EvanCarroll: you can have whatever opinion you like about it, but it was rejected because developers didn't like it |
| 18:29:40 | sinthetek | ahh no, i can't afford anything that big atm |
| 18:29:42 | pixelma | yes, there was a short discussion earlier today about double-clicks |
| 18:30:13 | sinthetek | big/new |
| 18:35:15 | [Saint] | Torne: I found it, apparently there is indeed one place, in one target where double click exists. |
| 18:35:22 | [Saint] | in the Ondio FM screen. |
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| 18:41:18 | pixelma | with the big difference to the patch I guess, that in this screen a single click of the affected button doesn't do anything |
| 18:42:11 | pixelma | and amiconn explained the downside of double clicks when there is another thing mapped to a single click quite nicely |
| 18:42:58 | [Saint] | Indeed, the only way I can think to add a "scrub mode" to iPod (picked a low key target) would be a setting (...yuck) or Hotkey (kinda yuck, but, not *as* bad) |
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| 18:44:15 | Torne | wps context menu and being available for hotkey would do fine |
| 18:44:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd hate to use a hotkey to have to *enter* scrub though... |
| 18:45:06 | S_a_i_n_t | hotkey/context to *toggle* it would be nice |
| 18:45:56 | kugel | Torne: I thought SDHC => SDXC was just a filesystem change? |
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| 18:51:10 | Torne | kugel: sdxc cards are not required to implement the mode that sdhc readers can keep up with |
| 18:51:13 | Torne | full speed sdxc is not wire compatible and supporting both is optional |
| 18:55:18 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: any progress on your theme yet? |
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| 19:02:01 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: The Apple OF one? |
| 19:02:27 | mc2739 | yes, that one |
| 19:02:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I don't seem to have you on my list of testers if you're a Nano user. |
| 19:02:38 | * | S_a_i_n_t adds |
| 19:02:52 | S_a_i_n_t | the .sbs is still giving me grief. |
| 19:03:13 | mc2739 | I don't have a nano, but with some minor modifications I can test on my e200 |
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| 19:03:47 | S_a_i_n_t | what screensize is the e200? |
| 19:04:19 | mc2739 | 176x220 |
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| 19:06:26 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: In a rare event, I'm *just* about to head to bed, if you PM me an address I can drop it in you mail. |
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| 19:07:00 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: I downloaded it from your llink earlier |
| 19:07:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, I see. How did it go for you? |
| 19:07:25 | S_a_i_n_t | did you try it out? |
| 19:07:45 | mc2739 | I am not having problems with the sbs, but with the fms |
| 19:08:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, interesting. That must be a "new parser thing" |
| 19:08:46 | mc2739 | the rds lines (line 148 and 171) cause it to fail loading |
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| 19:09:00 | mc2739 | actually, this is still with the old parser |
| 19:09:07 | bluebrother | bieber: great to see QuaZip works fine for you. |
| 19:09:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Actually, you may not know what to expect from the .sbs, do you see the "rockbox" "settings" "files" etc. titles in the main menu? |
| 19:09:40 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: Wow, *super* weird. |
| 19:09:41 | bluebrother | I've had a (short) look in how building a Windows installer using NSIS works. Should be fairly easy to do, especially for a static binary. |
| 19:10:00 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't test the .fms on device, but, it works in the sim...kinda |
| 19:10:10 | S_a_i_n_t | is the issue an update issue? |
| 19:10:12 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: no, not the header lines |
| 19:10:13 | bluebrother | though for an installer a dynamically linked binary might be a feasible way too. |
| 19:10:16 | S_a_i_n_t | with scan/preset? |
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| 19:11:12 | bluebrother | pixelma: I don't know of any way to handle xml from LaTeX itself. But a format as simple as in the pastebin should be fairly easy to convert with a small perl script. |
| 19:11:21 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: So, in the main screen you have the word "iPod" alternating with "time", and battery icon/playmode icon? |
| 19:11:26 | mc2739 | My device does not have rds, so my guess is that the %?tx tag fails |
| 19:11:29 | bluebrother | seems like some people really don't want to get their heads around LaTeX ;-) |
| 19:11:30 | S_a_i_n_t | that's all .sbs in the main screen |
| 19:12:01 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: Does the .fms not load, at all? |
| 19:12:04 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: yes, and then the menu (no Rockbox at the top) |
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| 19:12:45 | S_a_i_n_t | weird....sbs fails on device on my Nanos |
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| 19:13:02 | mc2739 | the fms does not load, commenting or modifying those two lines lets it load |
| 19:13:18 | S_a_i_n_t | the .fms works fine in the sim, I havent found anyone to test it on device yet. |
| 19:13:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Noone I know has an iPod FM dongle |
| 19:14:11 | mc2739 | yes, main screen has iPod/clock play, disk, lock, battery |
| 19:14:11 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: Good to know, thanks. |
| 19:14:28 | S_a_i_n_t | wow...odd. |
| 19:14:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Everything else I can test on device works except the .sbs on Nano 1 and 2G |
| 19:15:07 | S_a_i_n_t | besides the .fms not working properly, wht did you think? |
| 19:15:29 | S_a_i_n_t | s/did/do/ |
| 19:15:49 | S_a_i_n_t | you're the first person to try it out on a non-Nano...congrats ;) |
| 19:16:28 | mc2739 | I think it looks good. I did see one viewport alignment problem on the fms screen when switching from a station with album art to one without and back |
| 19:17:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...ok, another thing I havent tested. |
| 19:17:30 | S_a_i_n_t | If you can screenshot it for me, it would help. |
| 19:17:50 | S_a_i_n_t | if you can't be bothered, I'll look into it a litle later |
| 19:18:12 | mc2739 | no problem. I'll link here when I get them. |
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| 19:18:41 | mc2739 | ok |
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| 19:24:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, I just had an incling (which I can't test presently) about why the .sbs might be failing, but I'm now annoyed there is no "does this target have recording" tag. |
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| 19:24:46 | S_a_i_n_t | s/failing/failing on my device/ |
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| 19:25:41 | S_a_i_n_t | There's at least one target I can think of that doesn't, so, such a tag makes sense. (-ish) |
| 19:25:55 | bertrik | yay, playback works on the COMBO4E clip+ |
| 19:26:18 | S_a_i_n_t | bertrik: Congrats \o/ |
| 19:26:43 | bertrik | basically I just enabled some parts that funman already wrote for the new fuze v2 variant |
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| 19:27:18 | kugel | bertrik: does the detection work the same? |
| 19:27:23 | bertrik | yes |
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| 19:27:28 | bertrik | I verified that in the OF |
| 19:27:59 | Buschel | may I re-ask again: does the number of cycles needed for mac.l depend on the size of the operands (similar to ARM)? |
| 19:28:13 | Buschel | (question for coldfire asm experts here) |
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| 19:28:44 | bertrik | This clip+ also has a rather dim display |
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| 19:30:10 | amiconn | Buschel: no |
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| 19:30:29 | amiconn | Btw, mac.l implies the operand size (32 bit), 16 bit would be mac.w |
| 19:30:48 | amiconn | mac is single cycle, mac with parallel load is two cycles |
| 19:31:16 | Buschel | mac.w uses 16 bit for both operands? |
| 19:31:17 | amiconn | There is a 3 cycle latency, only relevant for accumulator readout |
| 19:31:22 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:31:57 | amiconn | You can specify which half of the two registers to use (individually) |
| 19:32:40 | Buschel | so, we cannot gain performance via using 16bit precision of window coefficients |
| 19:32:52 | Buschel | the ARM asm does that |
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| 19:38:55 | funman | bertrik: the clip+ brightness is quite low? |
| 19:39:17 | CaptainKwel | Hi, is there any way to debug "Undefined instruction" errors? |
| 19:39:40 | bertrik | funman, yes, not sure if this is related to the LCD controller type or to the COMBO4E |
| 19:40:18 | funman | try the lcd-ssd1303.c diff of http://pastie.org/1045740 and change brightness, punt2 said it was working |
| 19:40:51 | funman | CaptainKwel: check in which function the undefined instruction happens (look at the .map files for rockbox and individual plugins/codecs) |
| 19:45:27 | bertrik | funman, yes that works |
| 19:46:48 | bertrik | the max brightness value is *very* bright though, with obvious line artifacts (full-lit lines are dimmer than others) |
| 19:47:14 | amiconn | That means some voltage converter is overloaded and reduces output voltage |
| 19:47:25 | amiconn | I can see that on my clip+ as well |
| 19:47:32 | funman | try removing the lcd_set_contrast() diff perhaps |
| 19:48:00 | bertrik | I think the patch is mostly OK, it just should set contrast to high I think |
| 19:48:04 | amiconn | Perhaps not overloaded, just not regulating very well |
| 19:48:06 | bertrik | +o |
| 19:50:28 | bertrik | funman, could it be that all OLEDs that need an offset of 2 also need a different setting for the contrast? |
| 19:50:32 | funman | bertrik: perhaps some settings in the init can be shared with clipv1/clipv2/ other clip+ |
| 19:51:10 | funman | (btw iiuc the clip+ which have low brightness have the 2nd lcd controller type=) |
| 19:51:21 | S_a_i_n_t | question: Does the target itself have to support RDS, or is it just a "it will work if it is available" thing? |
| 19:51:28 | * | funman should read before typing |
| 19:51:51 | funman | bertrik: yes but the difference is in lcd initialization, not just contrast setting |
| 19:52:22 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100715#15:23:11 |
| 19:56:36 | funman | bertrik: did you try µSD ? |
| 19:56:46 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: I'm quite positive that there is a "does target have recording" tag |
| 19:56:50 | bertrik | no, I can try that now |
| 19:57:12 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Again, it's one the manual has missed then :/ |
| 19:57:26 | * | S_a_i_n_t is getting *mighty* sick of missing skin tags |
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| 19:58:54 | mc2739 | S_a_i_n_t: %Rp = Does this target have recording? |
| 19:59:19 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: yes, I believe it isn't on CustomWPS either |
| 19:59:26 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739 |
| 19:59:28 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks |
| 19:59:29 | bertrik | funman, yay uSD works too magically |
| 19:59:39 | mc2739 | that was from CustomWPS |
| 19:59:41 | S_a_i_n_t | where did you find that out of interest mc2739? |
| 19:59:48 | S_a_i_n_t | or, did you just *know* it? |
| 19:59:53 | pixelma | oh, sorry then |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...more discrepency between CustomWPS and the manual then. |
| 20:00:08 | mc2739 | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Recording_Screen_tokens_currentl |
| 20:00:21 | S_a_i_n_t | how are people supposed to learn this stuff? |
| 20:00:31 | * | S_a_i_n_t remembers the manual being complete....once. |
| 20:00:44 | * | pixelma doubts that |
| 20:01:19 | S_a_i_n_t | heh, yeah...there was probably some obscure one I didn't know of ;) |
| 20:01:29 | S_a_i_n_t | or, three, or five. |
| 20:02:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Once this new parser is in and done, and nothing will be changing for a while I want to make it a personal missing to make DAMN sure the manual has a complete list of tags and usages. |
| 20:02:48 | S_a_i_n_t | s/missing/mission |
| 20:03:14 | pixelma | bluebrother: how about a simple text format: "tag & description", one line each for a parsing of such a tag list for the manual and the theme editor (we also have to keep track of target features though) |
| 20:03:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:04:35 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: If it comes down to it, I will overcome my aversion to TeteX |
| 20:04:40 | pixelma | and then the manual and custom WPS also groups things based on context - all tag info tags, all bitmap tags etc. |
| 20:04:52 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm *that* serious about wanting a *complete* list. |
| 20:06:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Honestly, when I have less on my plate I'll make it a mission to learn to use TeteX, this tag stuff has bitten me in the ass too many times now. |
| 20:06:31 | S_a_i_n_t | It would have been so easy to do if tags were added *when they were implemented* :/ |
| 20:08:04 | Torne | LaTeX, you mean :) |
| 20:08:26 | Torne | TeTeX is a specific TeX implementation (which is not popular any more) |
| 20:08:33 | pixelma | tetex is just the LaTeX package cygwin uses (and it's btw. outdated) |
| 20:08:33 | gevaerts | He has a lot to learn :) |
| 20:08:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha, I*I* knew what I meant. :P |
| 20:08:48 | gevaerts | Torne: implementation or distribution? :) |
| 20:09:04 | pixelma | "uses" = is available from the cygwin installer |
| 20:09:07 | Torne | gevaerts: both, if i recall correctly |
| 20:09:14 | S_a_i_n_t | TeTeX is the CygWin package name...it stuk in my brain. |
| 20:09:23 | Torne | debian now uses luatex as the implementation, and the distribution is texlive, iirc ;) |
| 20:09:25 | S_a_i_n_t | *stuck even |
| 20:09:31 | * | bluebrother just managed to cross-compile the theme editor on Linux and create a NSIS installer :) |
| 20:09:44 | bluebrother | the question remains if that installer does something useful though :) |
| 20:10:01 | gevaerts | bluebrother: this is where wine comes in |
| 20:11:15 | bluebrother | pixelma: if we need a separate script to parse that I don't see too much gain in using such a simple format. Using a simple xml format should work fine, and it could even allow to add required features |
| 20:11:35 | pixelma | texlive has the nice advantage that tex4ht which is needed for HTML manuals is included (in contrast to tetex :\ ) |
| 20:12:00 | bluebrother | (like <tag features="backlight,rtc,fm">%foo<description>This is some very weird tag</description></tag> |
| 20:12:05 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon wanted simple so he could add the tags I think, or, so others could do it...one or the other. ;) |
| 20:12:20 | pixelma | bluebrother: so xml parsing is already available? |
| 20:12:27 | bluebrother | tetex is outdated and unmaintained anyway |
| 20:12:48 | pixelma | in general I mean |
| 20:13:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: well, I was thinking of a simple perl script using XML::Simple |
| 20:13:38 | bluebrother | in general script languages come with xml parsers. Not sure if named module is part of the standard install though. |
| 20:13:45 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes about tetex, but noone bothered to make an installer package for cygwin of a newer implementation so |
| 20:14:08 | Torne | this is yet another reason why people shouldn't use cygwin for rockbox though :) |
| 20:14:21 | pixelma | pf |
| 20:14:22 | * | S_a_i_n_t "Bah!" 's |
| 20:14:26 | bluebrother | newer implementation as in TeXlive? |
| 20:14:38 | pixelma | yes |
| 20:14:51 | * | bluebrother wonders if it would be feasible to use MinGW + msys + MikTeX to build the manual :) |
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| 20:15:11 | Torne | msys is cygwin |
| 20:15:14 | Torne | just for reference, btw |
| 20:15:15 | Torne | :) |
| 20:15:22 | Torne | i've explained this one before |
| 20:15:36 | bluebrother | not really. |
| 20:15:51 | bluebrother | for example, there is no dependency on cygwin-1.dll |
| 20:15:56 | * | S_a_i_n_t dubs Torne "Sir. Hatescygwinalot" |
| 20:15:56 | Torne | yes there is |
| 20:16:03 | pixelma | getting a bit offtopic here |
| 20:16:08 | Torne | the actual mingw toolchain doesn't depend on cygwin. the msys environment does. |
| 20:16:15 | Torne | the tools in msys do not compile natively for win32. |
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| 20:24:10 | bluebrother | Torne: well, my msys installation doesn't depend on any Cygwin libraries so I don't consider that being Cygwin. Sure, it uses code from cygwin but that doesn't make it cygwin. |
| 20:24:21 | Torne | it all links to msys-1.dll |
| 20:24:29 | Torne | which, as you can see from the suspicious naming convention |
| 20:24:35 | Torne | is, er, cygwin, configured slightly differently ;) |
| 20:24:40 | Torne | and renamed |
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| 20:24:48 | bluebrother | with that reasoning I could also say that Rockbox is Linux because it requires Linux for building. Plus, it also uses some code imported form |
| 20:24:55 | bluebrother | *from Linux programs |
| 20:25:02 | Torne | no, it's not the same at all |
| 20:25:33 | * | S_a_i_n_t coughs loudly |
| 20:26:13 | bluebrother | msys might be a fork of cygwin (and AFAIK it's been forked from the cygwin codebase years ago), but it's still something different. msys is msys, not cygwin. |
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| 20:29:10 | kifo | hello |
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| 20:40:18 | bluebrother | bieber: just tried checked the Rendering settings in the Theme Editor. IMO it would be better to put the target db file in the usual settings location instead of creating yet-another-dotfile in $HOME. |
| 20:41:12 | bluebrother | also, the font path gets initialized to /, and I'm rather sure users aren't allowed to write there (at least on Linux :) |
| 20:41:49 | bluebrother | also, as I was thinking about an installer for Windows it might make sense to default that path to the path where the editor binary is located |
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| 20:54:27 | bluebrother | nice. Installer completely broken :/ |
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| 20:57:25 | kifo | hooray my first wps is almost done |
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| 21:03:39 | bieber | bluebrother: Do you know if there could possibly be any performance issues from storing really large keys in the config file? |
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| 21:06:04 | bluebrother | bieber: I don't know of any. What do you want to store? The complete targetdb? ;-) |
| 21:06:19 | bieber | Yeah |
| 21:06:53 | S_a_i_n_t | can't it locate that somewhere online also? |
| 21:06:56 | bluebrother | hmm. Wouldn't that complicate updating it? |
| 21:07:10 | * | S_a_i_n_t assumes someone needs web acces to get it in the first place |
| 21:07:13 | bluebrother | (for the user that is) |
| 21:07:34 | S_a_i_n_t | It was decided (I thought) it should auto-update |
| 21:08:12 | bieber | JdGordon1: I think I did put lower-case "wps" in all the constants :/ I'll go ahead and fix that |
| 21:08:21 | bluebrother | btw, if we provide a Windows installer it would make sense to have that also include (or download) the fonts package. Another reason why I'd default that to the path of the executable (maybe a subfolder fonts/ or so?) |
| 21:08:51 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: It needs to be able to accept .wps and .WPS, .sbs and .SBS etc |
| 21:08:56 | S_a_i_n_t | As, the device does. |
| 21:09:09 | kugel | bluebrother: why ~/.config/rockbox.org? |
| 21:09:14 | bieber | S_a_i_n_t: It has a download button, but I don't want it to _alwas_ fetch the file from the Internet, since it obviously won't change very much |
| 21:09:18 | kugel | i.e. not just rockbox |
| 21:09:29 | kugel | the font folder should probably be shared with RaaA |
| 21:09:55 | bieber | kugel: That's just the way Qt likes to store settings on *nix |
| 21:10:32 | kugel | bieber: I mean the ".org" specifically |
| 21:11:16 | bluebrother | because Rockbox Utility uses that since years? |
| 21:11:45 | bieber | Heh, I guess that's as good a reason as any :P |
| 21:11:48 | kugel | bluebrother: that doesn't answer my question |
| 21:12:10 | bluebrother | well, then your question was unclear. |
| 21:12:15 | bluebrother | at least to me. |
| 21:12:19 | bieber | I do see that it has a separate field for organization domain, and we're putting it in organization name. Perhaps we should transition them over to just rockbox? |
| 21:12:20 | kugel | why does it use the .org |
| 21:12:22 | kugel | ? |
| 21:12:42 | bluebrother | because someone (presumably me) put it to the "organization" part of the QSettings calls. |
| 21:12:55 | kugel | ah, so it's a Qt thing |
| 21:13:17 | bluebrother | no. |
| 21:13:39 | bieber | bluebrother: I thought you were recommending putting the targetdb in the config file? If not there and not in a hidden file in ~, where else to put it? |
| 21:13:55 | bluebrother | bieber: no, I means to just put it in the same folder. |
| 21:14:02 | kugel | I think it would make sense if all our desktop apps use the same folder in ~/.config, but I find rockbox.org strange because our project isn't called rockbox.org |
| 21:14:35 | bieber | Ah, okay |
| 21:15:09 | S_a_i_n_t | The project isn't called that, but, everything is linked from there. |
| 21:15:12 | kugel | RaaA will have fonts in ~/.config/rockbox[.org]/fonts |
| 21:15:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I think the .org fits, personally |
| 21:15:27 | bluebrother | well, that's handled quite differently between applications. I have psi-im.org in my ~/.config for example, but the application isn't called psi-im.org. I also have Nokia, but the application isn't called Nokia. |
| 21:15:49 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: yea, but the scheme is .config/<project> and not .config/<website of the project> |
| 21:15:51 | * | gevaerts isn't at all convinced that RaaA and the theme editor should share fonts |
| 21:16:48 | bieber | Well, the way QSettings initializes it is .config/organization/application.conf, we've just been putting our domain name in where we're supposed to put our organization name |
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| 21:17:16 | kugel | is our organisation name rockbox.org? |
| 21:17:42 | kugel | gevaerts: do you see a problem with that? |
| 21:18:29 | bluebrother | well, what _is_ our organization name? In the Google sense the organization is Rockbox, but in the general sense Rockbox is not an organization. In which case it makes sense to use the url instead. |
| 21:19:07 | * | kugel doesn't agree with that |
| 21:19:13 | gevaerts | But you're not using the URL! |
| 21:19:35 | gevaerts | kugel: I'm not sure actually |
| 21:20:13 | S_a_i_n_t | real browsers care not for www's etc. ;) |
| 21:20:22 | bluebrother | with what? That in the general sense Rockbox is not an organization? |
| 21:20:42 | kugel | we are an organization in a way, just no legal entity. and we do have a name |
| 21:20:55 | bieber | JdGordon1: What do you mean by error checking? The parser just errors out if it finds a syntax error, and leaves it up to the caller to print an error message |
| 21:20:56 | gevaerts | Personally I find this usage of domain names to specify organisations to be silly |
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| 21:22:09 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: That should be good enough, the idea is to spit a splash/message/something on device when a theme fails to load, with the file it failed to load. |
| 21:22:26 | S_a_i_n_t | it the moment, it just silently fails |
| 21:22:30 | S_a_i_n_t | *at |
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| 21:23:00 | bieber | That makes sense, I just don't do it in my parser code because I didn't want it throwing crap on the terminal every time a parse failed, so whatever code calls it has to make sure to check for error after calling it |
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| 21:24:03 | kugel | gevaerts: do you want a couple copies of the same font.zip instead? :) |
| 21:24:47 | bluebrother | does RaaA even run on the same platforms as the theme editor? IIRC RaaA was ment to get ported to Android as first target |
| 21:25:08 | S_a_i_n_t | will it *be* the same fonts? |
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| 21:25:27 | kugel | bluebrother: the first port is the sdl app |
| 21:25:32 | S_a_i_n_t | If you *could* use aliased fonts, wouldn;t you? |
| 21:25:51 | bluebrother | how about using TTF fonts? ;-) |
| 21:25:51 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: I'd think it should look the same as on target |
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| 21:26:07 | kugel | more eye candy isn't necessarily helpful |
| 21:26:16 | * | S_a_i_n_t isn't so sure abou that |
| 21:26:23 | S_a_i_n_t | if it can look better, it should |
| 21:26:27 | kugel | why? |
| 21:26:35 | S_a_i_n_t | (within reason) |
| 21:26:44 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: sure, which is why we don't do anti-aliased fonts :) |
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| 21:27:31 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: it's meant to make themes for use with rockbox, it has no purpose on its own. so why should it look differently than the actual result? |
| 21:28:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, I was talking about RaaA |
| 21:28:28 | kifo | Hi. I was trying to make in my little practice theme a 24 hour clock with HH:MM where the : blinked on and off each second, I have it set to %t(1)%al%cH:%cM;%al%cH %cM |
| 21:28:31 | kifo | currently but |
| 21:28:36 | kifo | the : isnt blinking at the right rate |
| 21:28:38 | kifo | is that a uhm |
| 21:28:41 | kifo | resource issue |
| 21:28:46 | kifo | or am i missing something |
| 21:29:21 | bertrik | Does the fuze v2 have some kind of diagnostics menu in the original firmware? |
| 21:29:26 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, indeed. |
| 21:29:30 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: oh, I see, then I agree with you :) |
| 21:29:41 | S_a_i_n_t | each subline needs the %t(X) |
| 21:29:53 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: Awesome ;) |
| 21:29:54 | kifo | okay cool |
| 21:30:13 | bieber | kugel: As an aside, if you want RaaA to be cross-platform, putting fonts in .config/rockbox[.org] is probably not a good idea, because on different platforms settings will be stored elsewhere (i.e. in the registry on Windows) |
| 21:30:24 | kifo | that makes it a lot easier for me because now I can but non-timed elements on the same line :D |
| 21:30:25 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: %t(1)%al%cH:%cM; %t(1)%al%cH %cM |
| 21:30:25 | bieber | Perhaps just the application path and /fonts |
| 21:30:29 | kifo | i couldnt figure out what I was missing before |
| 21:30:35 | kifo | "; " L |
| 21:30:36 | kifo | ? |
| 21:30:42 | kifo | er i mean |
| 21:30:46 | kifo | why the space after ; |
| 21:31:03 | simonrvn | clarity, presumably |
| 21:31:21 | kugel | bieber: the fonts in the registry? |
| 21:31:42 | kugel | the config path can sure be different on other platforms |
| 21:31:44 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: come again? |
| 21:31:45 | bieber | No no, I just mean that the .config/rockbox directory won't be there to store them in on Windows |
| 21:32:02 | S_a_i_n_t | one line this time, please...easier to follow if you don't press enter a million times ;) |
| 21:32:04 | bieber | So we'd best keep them somewhere we know will always be there, like the application's directory |
| 21:32:26 | gevaerts | bieber: that's not possible |
| 21:32:31 | kugel | bieber: which is not always writable |
| 21:32:32 | kifo | S_a_i_n_t: bad habit, I get yelled at a lot. go write in PM to yourself 500 times "Enter is not punctuation!" |
| 21:32:34 | gevaerts | This must be a user-accessible path |
| 21:32:43 | kifo | :D |
| 21:32:58 | kugel | even on windows the application dir is not really writable (since the introduction of UAC) |
| 21:33:03 | bluebrother | you could use an application folder _plus_ a user-writeable folder for additional / replacement fonts |
| 21:33:06 | bieber | Oh yeah, that would cause a pretty big problem when it gets installed in /usr |
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| 21:33:12 | kifo | with the %t(1) after the ;, in the second subline, why do you have a space between the %t(2) and the ;? |
| 21:33:20 | CIA-6 | New commit by alle (r27510): More explanation to the convbdf options |
| 21:33:34 | kugel | bluebrother: that's what RaaA does |
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| 21:33:44 | bluebrother | i.e. ship some defaults but allow overriding them without the need to copy them in the user folder in the first place |
| 21:33:51 | gevaerts | bieber: anyway, the idea is not to write a crossplatform application, it's to write a portable application :) |
| 21:33:55 | bluebrother | might be sensible for distro packages f.e. |
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| 21:34:24 | * | kifo loves the battery behavior in the simulator |
| 21:34:26 | bluebrother | having an application work portable is always a good thing :) |
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| 21:34:43 | bieber | gevaerts: I guess I'm missing a subtle distinction? |
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| 21:35:01 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: I didn't realise I *did* include a space, sorry. |
| 21:35:04 | gevaerts | bieber: indeed :) Think java versus Qt |
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| 21:35:08 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not needed. |
| 21:35:18 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r27511): Don't overwrite AR if it's been set from outside. |
| 21:35:23 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r27512): Support cross-compiling Theme Editor. ... |
| 21:35:24 | bieber | Okay, so cross platform means a single binary |
| 21:36:03 | kifo | S_a_i_n_t: okay cool. I have my first practice wps perfect how I wanted it, now I get to try to figure out how to have a graphical battery indicator, sounds fun huh? |
| 21:36:06 | kifo | bbiab |
| 21:36:17 | * | kifo could probably look it up but wants to figure it out |
| 21:36:32 | * | bluebrother was thinking about something like portableapps.com when speaking about portable :o |
| 21:36:32 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27513): Theme Editor: Added support for upper-case wps file extensions |
| 21:36:43 | S_a_i_n_t | kif *should* look it up ;) |
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| 21:36:56 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: even. |
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| 21:37:16 | bieber | bluebrother: What platforms do you have it cross-compiling from/to? |
| 21:37:21 | gevaerts | bieber: the way I see it, a cross-platform application has to handle all sorts of platform, while a portable one only has to be easy ti adapt to various platforms |
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| 21:37:33 | bluebrother | bieber: w32 binary from my F13 box |
| 21:37:54 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: It really depends on the result you want, but, you can do it a not so easy way sing bitmap-strips, or an easier way using a progressbar. |
| 21:37:54 | * | kugel wonders if he should stick to .config/rockbox.org or use .config/rockbox (meaning there's two rockbox folders in .config) |
| 21:37:57 | bluebrother | however, I don't have a static build of Qt around so the resulting binary will need Qt*.dll |
| 21:38:03 | S_a_i_n_t | *using |
| 21:38:09 | bluebrother | (plus a few others) |
| 21:38:23 | bieber | F13? |
| 21:38:23 | CIA-6 | r27513 build result: All green |
| 21:38:32 | bluebrother | Fedora 13 |
| 21:38:52 | bieber | Oh, okay |
| 21:39:03 | bieber | lol, I was thinking it was some obscure architecture :P |
| 21:39:26 | bluebrother | they provide mingw packages and also a Qt package for mingw. Quite nice, but it has a few quirks. |
| 21:39:44 | kugel | alternatively rbutil could change to .config/rockbox of course (which I would prefer) |
| 21:39:47 | gevaerts | bieber: it is! |
| 21:39:57 | bieber | hehe |
| 21:40:04 | bluebrother | building Rockbox Utility doesn't work at all (at least right now), because various OS specific stuff doesn't get selected correctly right now. |
| 21:40:23 | bieber | Does it not define the right flags or something? |
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| 21:40:30 | * | bluebrother really doesn't understand why for 3 years _nobody_ did care about ~/.config/rockbox.org and now people are coming up with that. |
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| 21:40:57 | gevaerts | bluebrother: that's easy, because now people need directories for other things :) |
| 21:40:59 | bluebrother | bieber: basically, yes. All those "win32 { foo }" stuff in the pro file doesn't work. |
| 21:41:12 | bieber | Ohh |
| 21:41:19 | bluebrother | gevaerts: well, they can pick other directories at their choice ... |
| 21:41:31 | kugel | bluebrother: because rbtuil isn't the only rockbox desktop app anymore |
| 21:41:38 | * | S_a_i_n_t is of the "if its been there for 3 years, let it be" mentality for most things...except bugs ;) |
| 21:41:49 | bluebrother | bieber: fortunately the theme editor doesn't use any platform specific code. That makes it much easier to cross compile it :) |
| 21:42:13 | bluebrother | kugel: well, if people don't like using rockbox.org now I assume they also didn't like it 3 years in the past. |
| 21:42:15 | bieber | Hehe, I try to keep it that way :) I really hate platform-specific ifdefs |
| 21:42:43 | bluebrother | bieber: yeah, but for Rockbox Utility we can't live without them. Unfortunately, but well ... |
| 21:42:48 | kugel | bluebrother: possible, I for one never cared about it, but I now do |
| 21:43:04 | kifo | S_a_i_n_t: battery progress bar, eh? |
| 21:44:08 | S_a_i_n_t | sure, all (well, most) in the manual. |
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| 21:47:50 | kifo | S_a_i_n_t: the manual only mentions progress bars for time in track? |
| 21:52:16 | bieber | kifo: You can use %bp with the same arguments as %pb to turn it into a progress bar |
| 21:52:49 | kifo | I thought bp was the charging status |
| 21:52:57 | kifo | hmm lemme play around with that |
| 21:53:18 | pixelma | %bl probably but I lost track too |
| 21:53:30 | S_a_i_n_t | %bp is "charger connected" |
| 21:53:31 | kifo | %bl is just the battery in percent |
| 21:53:41 | S_a_i_n_t | %bl is "battery status" |
| 21:54:03 | pixelma | "battery level" ;) |
| 21:54:18 | kifo | yea i dont get this battery progress bar thing |
| 21:54:23 | S_a_i_n_t | bah...same difference :P |
| 21:54:44 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: did you read the manual? |
| 21:54:54 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry to ask but, it's right there. |
| 21:54:58 | S_a_i_n_t | "%bl(x,y,[width],[height],image.bmp)" |
| 21:55:42 | kifo | yea thats the bitmap thing |
| 21:55:50 | S_a_i_n_t | yep. |
| 21:55:50 | kifo | I must have misread what you said |
| 21:55:57 | bieber | Oh, yeah %bl |
| 21:56:08 | kifo | i thought you said there was some sort of %bp thing like %pb that had a progress bar for the battery |
| 21:56:09 | bieber | Whenever I name a tag, just assume that I've got at least one of the letters wrong :P |
| 21:56:31 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: I did. |
| 21:56:32 | bieber | %bl(x,y,w,h,image), like S_a_i_n_t said |
| 21:56:35 | S_a_i_n_t | and, that is it. |
| 21:56:37 | kifo | right |
| 21:56:50 | kifo | I thought you meant there were two different ways to do it :p |
| 21:56:57 | S_a_i_n_t | there are. |
| 21:57:16 | S_a_i_n_t | three...actually. |
| 21:57:29 | S_a_i_n_t | two progressbar ways, one bitmp strip. |
| 21:57:36 | S_a_i_n_t | *bitmap. |
| 21:57:57 | kifo | erm I thought you meant there was some way to do it without specifying a bmp |
| 21:58:14 | kifo | but yea that makes sense |
| 21:58:16 | kifo | ill play with the bmp thing |
| 21:58:19 | S_a_i_n_t | there is, just use - instead of bitmap.bmp |
| 21:58:50 | S_a_i_n_t | and, it will draw the "built in" progressbar. |
| 21:59:29 | S_a_i_n_t | specifying a bitmap image just tells it to use that image as the progressbar, instead of drawing one using the foreground color |
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| 22:08:53 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27514): Theme Editor: Added file filters with capitalized extensions for WPS, SBS, etc. files |
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| 22:13:44 | kifo | hmm, having a problem with my status bar not updating on my wps |
| 22:14:24 | kifo | works fine in the simulator, maybe a theme conflict |
| 22:14:30 | S_a_i_n_t | pastebin the .wps |
| 22:15:35 | S_a_i_n_t | As much as they try to, and as much as they should...sim and device work a little differently with some things sometimes. |
| 22:16:00 | kifo | http://pastebin.com/N9W796C5 |
| 22:16:18 | kifo | I know its probably a real stinker of a wps to your eyes but I'm proud of it :D |
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| 22:18:41 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: What do you mean by "status bar" exactly? |
| 22:18:54 | kifo | uhm, at the bottom |
| 22:18:57 | kifo | the track time status bar |
| 22:19:06 | kifo | and the volume, remaining time, and elapsed time |
| 22:19:09 | kifo | all fail to update |
| 22:19:14 | kifo | sort of freeze after a few seconds |
| 22:19:26 | kifo | and dont reload unless I got to menu, then come back to now playing |
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| 22:21:51 | S_a_i_n_t | kifo: try http://pastebin.com/rfEkPpnv |
| 22:22:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Lines with dynamic content cannot scroll. |
| 22:22:11 | S_a_i_n_t | the %s was blocking the update |
| 22:22:42 | kifo | oh geez i didnt even notice that |
| 22:23:54 | S_a_i_n_t | It says it right down the *very* bottom of the tags section in the manual, so, I don't blame you. |
| 22:25:56 | kifo | oh yea I should have spotted that |
| 22:26:00 | kifo | i dunno why the %s was there |
| 22:26:19 | kifo | my eyesight only works when im reading the manual not for my own wps |
| 22:26:24 | kifo | call it a personality flaw |
| 22:31:10 | bertrik | I guess the DC_DC on/off register influences the clip+ display brightness, I'll try that out now |
| 22:33:33 | kifo | i have to go to dinner |
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| 22:40:13 | bertrik | Yup, it's the DC_DC on/off register that makes the difference for the display brightness/contrast on the clip :) |
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| 22:43:30 | danr | Hi, I was wondering how to get a plugin I wrote added to Rockbox. It's a shopping list app called Shopper, which I added as a patch a while back. Could any of the developers take a look please? |
| 22:43:50 | bertrik | Too bad, using the setting of the "new" clip+ looks very bad on the "old" clip+ |
| 22:45:35 | S_a_i_n_t | danr: Is it on the tracker? |
| 22:47:24 | danr | It is, yes, with ID 10820. I wrote the patch against version 3.4 so I could always update it for 3.6, but it's quite basic anyway. |
| 22:48:09 | S_a_i_n_t | If it has been there since 3.4, it's pretty safe to say a dev has reviewed it...but, I may be wrong. |
| 22:50:15 | danr | Hopefully a dev has picked it up, but since there's no feedback attached to the task, I wouldn't know if that's the case. |
| 22:50:38 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: you're most probably wrong :) |
| 22:51:40 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: If a patch from 2 revisions ago has not been reviewed by at least 1 dev something is seriously wrong... |
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| 22:58:06 | danr | OK, let me know if there's anything more I can do to get the patch reviewed. Thanks :-) |
| 22:58:51 | S_a_i_n_t | This channel is logged, so, if it's going to happen...it will ;) |
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| 23:00:25 | danr | Cool ;-) |
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| 23:15:32 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: no shit! |
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| 23:27:33 | cfp | Hi there! Just wanted to drop in and say how great the rockbox project is :) |
| 23:27:42 | cfp | Well, good night everyone =) |
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| 23:34:21 | Buschel | hi, can anyone of you coldfire guys give this a short try -> http://www.pastebin.org/411218 |
| 23:36:18 | Buschel | this change does a little refactoring of inline asm (also uses identical macros for 2 calls). this will help to be able to go back to a single synth_full()-function... |
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| 23:37:04 | Buschel | and imho it enhances readability |
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