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#rockbox log for 2010-07-22

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00:43:54marazany idea about the overheating?
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00:46:41maraz oh wait
00:46:44marazi already posted that in 2007
00:46:47marazthe issue still exists
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00:50:34marazr27495-100719 works, current doesn't
00:51:02maraznor does 3.6
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00:52:22*maraz looks for a heatsink
00:57:59JdGordonbieber: by error checking I meant specifically if skin_alloc_* returns NULL
00:58:16JdGordonthat of course doesnt happen (well shouldnt) on the pc, but very possible on target
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00:58:41JdGordonI've added a bunch of it to my patch so dont worry about it
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04:19:08list_accelhi, would it be possible to add a faster setting to the list acceleration speed under settings, it currently max's at 2x/10s which isn't sufficient with long lists
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04:22:53JdGordon|should be possible
04:23:31list_accelthanks: also would it be possible to have the first letter of the file magnified whilst scrolling, this would assist in determining file position whilst scrolling
04:24:13JdGordon|also possible
04:24:27JdGordon|possible of course means nothing unless osmeone actually spends time and does it...
04:24:44list_accelheh, as always :-)
04:25:03JdGordon|the first one might just be a one line change (I dont know that code at all)
04:25:15JdGordon|the second is more complex but is something I've been thinking about doing for ages
04:27:52list_accelI'm happy to have reminded you
04:31:04list_accelthanks for listening
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06:04:08marazinterestingly, i don't think the nano 1g port should be labeled stable at all
06:05:04marazeven more interestingly, i'd like to know how overheating makes the supposed ATA timing problem worse
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07:07:58bieber_There should be somewhere in the source tree that I can find the hardware details for all the targets, right?
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07:16:52tmztbieber_: yes, essentially
07:17:08bieber_Any pointers on where to look?
07:17:21tmztfor what devices?
07:18:05bieber_All of them
07:18:15bieber_I want to automatically build the target database for the theme editor
07:18:17tmztthe kernel source for all targets is not in the android tree
07:18:23tmztoh sorry
07:18:35tmztI'm in the wrong channel
07:20:13pixelmaI wouldn't be aware of a simple list in one place. Maybe features.txt can help a bit (in apps) and the config files (in firmware/export/config
07:20:43pixelmamaybe someone else has a better idea but that's all that comes to my mind currently
07:21:26bieber_How are checks for screen size and the like done?
07:22:32pixelmathere are LCD_WIDTH etc. defines in said config files
07:23:27bieber_Oh, this looks perfect
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07:24:21pixelmait's also what features.txt uses for its own purpose (defining the features for language files and the manual)
07:25:27bieber_I can write a script to grab the defines from the config files, then all I need is to put together a list of config files and plaintext names for their targets
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07:28:54tmztbieber_: I appologize, #android is usually in this spot
07:29:13bieber_No worries, it was good for a laugh
07:30:41JdGordon|bieber_: look at it loads the config.h file into gcc then spits out a set of values which it needs
07:30:47JdGordon|you might need to do something like that
07:31:08bieber_Where is
07:31:55JdGordon|did you see the talk yesterday about using xml to specify the tags and the help text?
07:32:07bieber_I saw most of it, I think
07:32:21JdGordon|would that be workable from the themeeditors pov?
07:32:26bieber_I'd really much rather use a simpler format, if that wouldn't be a problem
07:32:51JdGordon|qt doesnt have a nice xml reader class?
07:32:55bieber_The data will all be of the form "tag: description", so XML seems like overkill
07:33:28bieber_It has a framework for it, but I'm thinking more in terms of ease-of-editing than computer readability
07:33:37JdGordon|no, it wont be... I was thinking of using that to generate the tag_table.c file also so everything about the tag would be in that file
07:33:48JdGordon|so it needs more info than just its description
07:34:19pixelmabluebroth3r said that for xml there already is something we could use for the manual (or only needs some adaptations), for a simpler format we would need to write a script on our own
07:34:47bieber_Oh, okay
07:35:11bieber_xml is fine then, I'll read up on Qt's reader
07:35:16JdGordon|then we could kick peoples butts if they add new tags and dont add proper help text :)
07:35:29bieber_Mah, I need to learn Perl
07:36:18JdGordon|what do you need from each target? just lcd dimensions and some features?
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07:38:54bieber_I just feel silly putting PHP scripts in the source tree :P
07:40:00JdGordon|and you should :) php aint a real language!
07:41:14bieber_Perl and Bash seem to be perpetually on my to-learn list
07:42:15bieber_Hmm, how is it decided which fonts get packaged with each device?
07:42:50JdGordon|any which are required by the shipped themes are added
07:42:55bieber_It would be nice if I could have the editor automatically add font files from the font directory if they're not on the device by default
07:43:07bieber_Is there a list of the fonts required for each device?
07:43:19JdGordon|wps/WPSLIST i tihnk is the file
07:43:32JdGordon|but you shouldnt go by that, for fonts you should just assume that the fontpack is loaded
07:44:26bieber_Ah, okay
07:47:37bieber_Anyone know if I can run CPP on a file and get it to spit out a list of #defined symbols?
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07:54:45JdGordon|bieber_: sub gettargetinfo() does what you want...
07:55:12JdGordon|or gcc -E -P
07:55:38Buscheln1s/amiconn/AlexP: can anyone of you take a look at FS #11491 ? It's a coldfire related change to libmad's synth filter.
07:55:44bieber_Okay, cool
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10:22:27CIA-6New commit by bieber (r27516): Theme Editor: Wrote buildtargetdb.php to automatically generate a targetdb file from the target config files in /firmware/export/config. All that ...
10:24:08CIA-6r27516 build result: All green
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13:24:08funmanbertrik: the changes for new Clip+ SD are not clean enough to commit?
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13:52:47bertrikfunman, I just reused the fuze_v2 variant variable
13:52:49JdGordonpixelma: bluebroth3r: <- 1) is that legal xml? 2) is it too verbose? 3) does it looks like we could get everything needed into something like that?
13:53:01bertrikmaybe we can just rename it to sdcontroller_variant or something
13:54:01bertrikfunman, by the way, I found out that basically only the LCD_SET_DC_DC makes a difference for the brightness
13:54:13funmanbertrik: i think it's the way to go (i was thinking of amsv2_variant but sdcontroller is more precise)
13:54:25funmanoops, this variant also affect button reading for fuzev2
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13:55:14funmanbertrik: what about adding an argument to lcd_hw_init(), so each clip returns the desired setting for DC_DC ?
13:55:50bertrikI was thinking to make lcd_hw_init just return a variant number
13:56:09bertrikThe value to write to the contrast register also differs by about a factor of 8/3
13:56:46bertrikFor example, contrast 18 on the old clip+ is about as bright as 50 on the new clip+
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13:58:19JdGordonpixelma: bluebroth3r: adds the xl to show an example of how the params would be specified
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14:00:19funmanbertrik: if we return a variant number we can use it in contrast setting calculation so perhaps it's better
14:03:02bertrikfunman, ok, I'll make it that way today. I'll also rename fuzev2_variant to amsv2_variant, ok?
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14:04:04*bertrik wonders how many variants of a "clip" there are now in the wild
14:06:02funmanbertrik: clipv1, clipv1 which needs DCDC15 to be set, clipv2, clip+, clip+ with RDA FM, clip+ with smaller LCD controller, clip+ with SD controller changes => 7 clips? O:-)
14:06:31funmannot even counting the clip+ which combine several variations from the initial model
14:08:25funmanbertrik: btw, the sansa-clip/*lcd-clip.h could be merged together and moved to ../ (and the static inline functions moved into sansa-clip*/lcd-clip*.c
14:08:50bertrikok, I'll do that
14:12:49bertrikfunman, does the fuze v2 have a diagnostics screen that can be enabled by flashing a 't' version of the OF?
14:13:04funmanshould we make extended testing of new AMSv1 and Clip+/Fuzev2 bootloaders (put them in the forum for some time) or just test them once ?
14:15:42bertrikhmm, I don't know. We only really *need* new bootloaders for clip+ and fuzev2 I guess.
14:16:16funmanremoving OF boot on USB plug would be nice for AMSv1
14:16:43bertrikah, true
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14:17:56bertrikHow was this decided in the past? I can try the AMSv1 and clip+ bootloaders locally first of course.
14:18:11funmandon't remember, we should ask kugel
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14:18:42funmanmy fuzev2 diagnosis shows 'HERMON/FM SI4702'
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14:19:07bertrikI haven't done testdisk-like testing on the new clip+, just casually noticed that it worked for both internal and external SD
14:19:35funmanshould be enough
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14:37:47funmanpamaury: ping
14:38:13funmani've found a little difference in how you set CCU_USB_THINGY
14:38:37pamauryyou mean a difference betweem what I do and what the Of do ?
14:38:41funmanit still gives me errors on linux when plugging clip+ but the errors are a bit different
14:38:54pamauryinteresting, tell ne more :)
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14:39:23funman&= ~0x1000 => OF uses |= 0x1000 and there is other bits which are changed
14:39:34funman(linux gives me error -71 and -62)
14:40:22pamauryhum, wait a minute, I double check the disassembly, that would be an embarassing error :)
14:41:10pamauryyou are still talking about the part in audio_isr, right ?
14:41:17pixelmaJdGordon: I have to look at it more thoroughly but I _guess_ that could work. I missed some descriptions (in those with the params) and the features didn't always look correct but I guess it should only show the principle. Though I have no idea about the xml > tex part
14:41:40funmanpamaury: yes
14:43:36funmanand bits 25:24 are cleared and bit 24 set before eanbling the clocks
14:44:30pamauryyou are right, I pick the wrong case, it does |= 0x1000, I'm looking at the remaining code
14:45:38pamauryoh, it does something to the ccu before setting clock ?
14:47:26funmanlooks like this part is optional though
14:47:40pamauryyou're rright. I wonder how I missed it. If you are sure the constants are right, go ahead and commit it, I'll check tonight to see what it changes exactly. Why optional ?
14:48:24funmanthere's a conditional branch just before it
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14:48:54pamauryare you able to tell when the condition is true or not ?
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15:00:17funmannope, not yet. but i believe it's related to USB clock source (PLLA)
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15:01:25pamauryokay. Then I let you find out, you know the OF and ARM much better than me, I hope this fix will allow me to have the driver working although I'm unsure about what it could change.
15:05:28funmanif i remove those bits i got a panic (wrong architecture)
15:07:58CIA-6New commit by funman (r27518): CCU_BASE+0x20 is specific to AMSv2 -> move to as3525v2.h ...
15:08:32pamauryIf only we knew what those bits do....
15:09:32pamauryclock at 48Mhz ???
15:09:40CIA-6r27518 build result: All green
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15:10:13funmanagain: the OF uses that. Using different settings is perhaps something wanted, but only after it works when using OF settings
15:10:48funmanIMO switching away from OF settings while the code doesn't work is looking for problems
15:11:11pamaurystrangely, the doc/code I found all suggest 60Mhz is the wanted setting for high speed
15:11:44pamauryAnd that would be the first setting which works with 48Mhz actually
15:11:44funmanclip+ 01.02.09 -> 0x8C70 = 48MHz
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15:12:37funman4 is the USB peripheral value used as an offset from various structs (like 0x8C60 which is the struct of peripheral clocks) and enable/disable peripheral functions
15:12:39pamauryso with all this the controller works correctly ? no panic I mean.
15:12:59funmanno panic and unplug is detected but there is still errors so perhaps it doesn't improve at all
15:13:43funmani just want to motivate you to work on this because you understand usb better ;)
15:13:52pamauryhum, I check check know. I have my clip+ but not the analyzer (which doesn't work properly anyway)
15:14:29funmaneven on windows host?
15:15:04pamauryI don't have a windows host available
15:15:47funmaneasy to fix!
15:16:00pamauryOnly when I'll be back home
15:17:28pamauryIs the CGU_USB = 0 really needed ?
15:18:45funmani can't tell but does it harm?
15:18:57funman(btw the clock is not disabled on disconnect)
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15:20:28pamauryokay, with your settings, full speed doesn't work it seems, let's try high speed
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15:25:18pamauryit seems there is no transfer going on, exactly the same problem we had previsouly with 48Mhz clock
15:25:40funmanwhich clock speed did you test?
15:26:02funmantry 60 perhaps
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15:26:12pamaurywith my current code (which is a little bit different from svn), I'm trying 60
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15:31:19funmani'll look closer this evening
15:32:03CIA-6New commit by funman (r27519): as3525v1 USB: remove stubs if !defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB)
15:33:10JdGordonpixelma: well the xml->tex part can be as stupidly complicated (or simple) as we want, it is easy to read in an xml in pretty much any language so we can write a script to convert that to anything
15:33:31JdGordonthe point was more is that the sort of layout that would be useful
15:33:39CIA-6r27519 build result: All green
15:33:46JdGordonit is way overkill for what I need but looks about right for the manual
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15:36:04pamauryfunman (for logs): it seems that CCU_USB_THINGY = (CCU_USB_THINGY & ~0x3000000) | 0x1000000; is the culprit that makes everything fail
15:42:55[Saint]maraz: I've just tried to replicate your overheating problem, by putting a Nano1g in the oven and taking it up to 50Celcius....and, while it was far too hot to touch, and I even warped the still plays fine.
15:43:07[Saint]I think you're an individual case to be honest.
15:45:14[Saint]At that temperature, the screen has even gone all weird and doesn't look like it will recover, I doubt that a unit will *ever* get that hot in any use case I can, I think your problem may lie elsewhere.
15:46:37Torne[Saint]: Hardcore.
15:46:39TorneI approve.
15:47:10CIA-6New commit by bertrik (r27520): Sansa Clip+: detect AMSv2 variant (just like was already done for fuze v2), this makes SD transfers work for newer clip+ players ("COMBO4E" type). ...
15:48:47CIA-6r27520 build result: All green
15:49:28[Saint]Torne: In the name, of science!
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15:51:16bertrikI did put my sansa e200 in the freezer once to see if I could calculate the temperature from two diodes built-into the analog-front-end
15:51:45[Saint]heh, we're scientists ;)
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15:53:30[Saint]Hmmmmm, is "I would recommend creating a file called fixed.cfg and insert the line in there as well. Values in fixed.cfg take precedence over those in config.cfg at boot up" correct?
15:53:52*[Saint] has never seen, or heard of "fixed.cfg."
15:54:47Torneyeah i was wondering about that
15:55:05gevaertsscorche`: that's because you haven't read the manual :)
15:55:10gevaerts[Saint]: ^
15:55:21*gevaerts apologises to scorche` who probably has read the manual
15:55:31[Saint]Apparently, neither has Torne!
15:55:37*[Saint] points fingers
15:55:43Torneof course i haven't
15:56:19TorneThat's quite a neat feature actually
15:56:30Torneit just loads fixed.cfg after loading config.cfg on each boot
15:56:30[Saint]And, I read the manual all the time, how do you think I keep coming up with all the mising skin tags? :P
15:56:46[Saint]Hmmm....that *is* neat.
15:57:50TorneSo the settings in there aren't unchangable, but the changes won't survive a reboot
15:58:24[Saint]won't the setting it loads be applies to config.cfg on shutdown though?
15:58:28*[Saint] guesses so.
15:58:32Torneif you haven't changed them, yes
15:59:54[Saint]I guess it makes sense to store your preferred config in "fixed.cfg", as that way you can even reset your config and then still keep your settings after a boot cycle...interesting.
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16:18:47[Saint]*last, even.
16:20:34[Saint]In saying that, does anyone want to look at committing FS #11490 ? I'm about 60% of the way through updating all the "cabbies".
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16:32:14Torne <- we get this kind of request reasonably often it seems (and i myself use it that way). Is there anything we can reasonably do to allow ipods to be installed *without* dual boot, without breaking the user experience for people who install it normally?
16:32:32Tornethe problem is mostly that the hold switch is used both for selecting the OF *and* for resetting Rockbox's settings
16:32:49Torneso even if you hack the bootloader or replace it with just rockbox.ipod, powering on with hold then just erases your rockbox settings :)
16:32:52*[Saint] reads dais post
16:33:00[Saint]*said, even
16:33:10TorneMy build has both of these things disabled, but it seems like a pain to have to do a custom build just for that
16:34:37Torneit's only really a problem because the ipod powers on on cable insert, i guess
16:34:50Torneit means if you leave hold on and plug it in to charge, you find yourself in the OF when you come back
16:34:54[Saint]Yeah, I see your point though.
16:35:05TorneWell, I don't really have a point
16:35:08TorneThere's no easy solution I can see
16:35:10[Saint]or, with no settings if you have no OF.
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16:35:33JdGordonis fixed.cfg even in the manual?
16:35:36Tornegoing back and changing our minds about how dualbooting and settings-reset works is likely to confuse existing users
16:35:50Tornebut the current situatoin, there's no way to enable that use case without custom build
16:35:54Torneand it doesn't seem that uncommon a thing to want
16:36:01Torneespecially now charging works and usb is generally fast enough :)
16:36:16Torneon other players where you have to hold left or osmething to boot the OF, it's not a problem..
16:36:19[Saint]Indeed, I think it is at least worth discussion
16:36:44Torneif i recall correctly linuxstb added the hold switch as a way of dual booting because on some models, holding menu to dualboot wasn't detected reliably
16:36:50Torneholding menu is still implemented, btw :)
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16:37:09Tornedetecting the hold swtich is more reliable because it's just a GPIO
16:37:20[Saint]yeah, I personally think that was just a misunderstanding with how "menu" is used to dual boot.
16:37:29Tornewell it's very har to know now
16:37:31Tornesince it was years ago
16:37:34Torneand nobody remembers clearly
16:37:39[Saint]if you boot *tehn* hold menu, it missed it...about 90% of the time.
16:37:50[Saint]but, if you boot by *holding* menu, its fine.
16:37:53Torneboth select and menu power the ipod on when you press them, on all models, afaik
16:37:56Torneso yeah
16:38:02Tornebut that may not be it
16:38:09Tornemaybe there *was* an issue with reading the buttons reliably
16:38:14Tornemaybe that issue is now fixed, maybe it's not
16:38:15JdGordonyou can boot of with the menu button?
16:38:17Torneit's hard to say without context
16:38:18TorneJdGordon: yes
16:38:22*JdGordon uses hold switch
16:38:22[Saint]JdGordon: Yes
16:38:23Tornethat was the original dualboot method
16:38:34n1sTorne: yeah, i think i remember that reading the menu button was unreliable
16:38:43Tornen1s: yes, various people remember that
16:38:50Tornebut not specifically what the problem was
16:38:51[Saint]the only iPod that "menu" doesn;t work for is the Nano2g AFAIK
16:38:52Torneor on which models
16:38:56Torneor whether it might've been fixed now
16:39:16n1sTorne: it's probably somewhere in the irc logs :)
16:39:17Torneand now everyone except me uses hold to boot the OF, so they would be surprised if that went away
16:39:30Torneand you are still left with the settings-reset issue even if you did change that
16:39:44Tornelots of players use hold for settings-reset, which is fine for players where you have to turn them on
16:39:54Tornebut not for players where they power on automatically on cable insert even if hold is on
16:39:57n1sTorne: couldn't the bootloader just check if it was a dualboot installation and if not just power off if hold is enabled?
16:40:03[Saint]I think the "unreliable" part comes from the fact that you can boot, *then* switch hold on, and boot the OF. But it's almost impossible to boot, *then* hold menu, and boot the OF.
16:40:08Tornen1s: no, you can't power off with a cable inserted.
16:40:11[Saint]It's easier to just hold menu to boot.
16:40:19Tornen1s: the hardware doesn't allow it
16:40:44Tornen1s: and fi you hacked it up to do it it wouldn't charge properly ;)
16:40:45n1sTorne: aha, then maybe not reset settings if cable is inserted on bootup?
16:41:05Tornen1s: That seems kinda dodgy
16:41:10Tornealso, RTC alarm is another poweron source
16:41:25Tornecurrently if you set the alarm and then power off and leave hold turned on, it wakes up into the OF and you don't get your alarm ;)
16:41:35Torneif you did it that way it would instead wake up into rockbox and then erase your settings.. ;)
16:41:36[Saint]yeah, RTC wakeup with hold on is a royal PITA!
16:42:37[Saint]IMO, its worth finding a way to lety the user kiss the Apple OF goodbye for good without all these potential PITAs
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16:43:02[Saint]I'd suggest most iPod users never want to see the OF again now there is propper charging
16:43:45n1sthe beast is the same way btw, and booting OF is annoying since it takes ages and you need somethign with a tiny tip to reset since it can't be shutdown...
16:43:47sudomanSaint: i'm one of them. ; )
16:43:51[Saint]I have removed the OF from my Nano1Gs, but, now I fear the hold butting and wiping my congig accidentally.
16:44:02funmanbertrik: #ifdef SANSA_CLIPPLUS #include "backlight-target.h" looks wrong
16:44:03[Saint]*config, even
16:44:18krazykit[Saint], so write your config into a backup just in case. if it happens, just "play" the config file :)
16:44:30funmanbacklight-target.h is only needed for buttonlight
16:44:34[Saint]krazykit: I do, but, that's still annoying.
16:44:45Tornen1s: right, it applies to anything that uses hold in this way if ther'es any wakeup source that isn't disable dby hold (rtc or charger)
16:44:51[Saint]It's gonna be slightly better now I have found "fixed.cfg" though
16:45:11Torne[Saint]: don't you use your own build? you can trivially #if 0 out the code that tests hold and resets settings :)
16:45:19Tornewhich is what i've done
16:45:26funmanpamaury: how can i check if 'everything fail' without a usb analyzer?
16:45:26Tornei've also disabled the code in the bootloader that tests hold
16:45:29Torneso i can still dualboot with menu
16:45:47[Saint]Torne: Oooh! Oooh! diff me?
16:46:00[Saint]I haven;t messed with bootloader
16:46:19pamauryfunman: with logf enable, you check if there is at least on transfer going on, alternatively, the linux kernel should fail at something else that reading the device descriptor and failing.
16:46:30n1sTorne: can't we move settings reset to a button instead?
16:46:43Tornen1s: yes, but it's been hold for a long time and on a lot of targets
16:46:53Tornen1s: that's my concern.. is it gonna cause confusion
16:46:58[Saint]there is however, good reason to change it.
16:47:00pamauryI'm unsure about the state of the code in SVN, there might be a few things not right but there should be at least one transfer starting !
16:47:02funmanpamaury: can i add a panicf() on transfer?
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16:47:27funmanwell if you have work in progress i should wait for you to commit first
16:47:41n1sbut using hold brings problems and i don't think many people regularly reset their settings this way, in fact it's probably more common to so it accidentally :)
16:47:58Tornei guess. if you are trying to dualboot and you do it too late you get a settings reset :)
16:48:01[Saint]n1s: I'd agree with that actually
16:48:28Tornethat will disable hold detection at boot time for all PP ipods
16:48:33*[Saint] bows, humbly
16:48:39Tornebootloader will ignore it and boot rockbox, and rockbox will ignore it and not reset settings.
16:48:42pamauryNo because my "work in progress" does not make it work, I should commit something but not my whole code. If you want to try, add a panicf in handle_ep_int
16:48:46Torneyou can still dualboot with menu
16:49:03[Saint]truly, truly awesome...thanks Torne
16:49:10Tornei use it because i like to hit poweron and then turn hold on immediately and put it in my pocket
16:49:15Torneand then just wait for automatic resume
16:49:37Torneif i want to reset my settings i can do it over usb ;)
16:49:39[Saint]Oh...wait. it will disable hold detection for Nano2g as
16:49:44Torneonly in rockbox itself
16:49:47[Saint]Nano2g can't use "menu"
16:49:50Torneit doesn't patch the nano2g bootloader
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16:50:07Torneit disables settings reset for all targets
16:50:45fischjuROCKBOX. I saw on the forums there was an android port in progress?
16:51:21[Saint]fischju: Not specifically an Android port, but, android is the first intended target.
16:51:38deltso i just found this old sansa c140 i had years ago, before i knew rockbox existed =) (but the OF bricked it)
16:52:09*Torne looks up which targets use what for settings reset.
16:52:57fischju1.5 compatible? :D - I'm here on behalf of a usable music player for the nook...tried regular android music apps, all unskinnable to make them useless
16:53:44delteven when connecting to the PC it stays stuck at "[unknown] track15.cdda.wav"
16:53:58delti'd like to try installing rockbox on this, just out of curiosity
16:54:12delt(the c140)
16:55:57funmandelt: if it's not listed on the frontpage, it doesn't work with rockbox
16:56:02deltoh, question about the sansa e260 - if i get a microSD card and put it in the player, it will show up as a new partition, right?
16:56:30deltfunman: the c1x0, says it has basic support, barely usable... which is still more than this piece of junk is right now =)
16:57:00funmandunno which website you are browsing but says "Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players, but much remains before they are usable"
16:57:41deltoh yeah, you're right
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16:57:55pixelmasomeone started a c100 port which is already a while ago and I haven't heard about it for years. There must be something in the "New Ports" forums
16:58:15captainkewlfunman: thanks for the .map file tip... it was exactly what I needed.
16:58:31deltits just this old piece of junk i bought like 6 or 7 years ago
16:58:38funmancaptainkewl: what was the bug? (do you have a patch?)
16:59:10deltif any of the devs need it to do some testing/etc... i could gladly ship it to you =)
16:59:44bertrikfunman, I think you're right indeed
16:59:45delt(tho like i said, the OF is bricked, no way to do anything afaik)
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17:00:39gevaertsdelt: it will show up as an extra drive
17:01:31Tornehm, the logic for choosing the settings reset button is kinda weird
17:01:37Torneif there's a record button it uses that
17:01:55Torneif it's a gigabeat it uses A
17:02:24Torneif it's an ipod 4g-style pad (all the models other than 1-3g) or an iriver h10-style pad it uses hold
17:02:28Torneotherwise it doesn't have one.
17:02:39Tornethat's kinda.. weird :)
17:02:40captainkewlfunman: it was for the mikmod plugin I was working on... The memory address was completely off the map, and it turned out the mallocs were probably corrupting the memory and introducing bad instructions somehow.
17:03:06deltgevaerts: in linux, if the player is sda, the sd card will be sda3 right?
17:03:29deltor it becomes a second usb device?
17:03:33gevaertsalso no :)
17:03:37funmanit'll be sdb
17:03:48deltweird :3
17:04:17deltwhat about in rockbox? is there a fixed mount point, or configurable...?
17:04:31gevaertsThe internal storage is SCSI LUN0, the SD slot is LUN1, both on the same USB device. That means they're separate drives on a single device
17:04:42deltor two "files" entries on the main menu
17:05:15deltgevaerts: thanks for the info
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17:06:06delt(since i dont have a microSD card, i cant test this)
17:06:53TorneSo, hm, if we were gonna change the settings-reset button for ipods, what should it be?
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17:07:07Tornethere's not a lot of choices ;)
17:07:11funmanpamaury: i made a typo in the first CCU_USB bits (one 0 too much) but there's still no transfer. looking at it
17:07:30Tornepretty much has to be fastforward, rewind or menu
17:07:48pamauryfunman: ok, which constant has one zero too muche ?
17:08:03deltgevaerts: how about when using the player with rb? how would you access the sd card?
17:08:16funmanthey are at 1A9E in OF
17:08:21delt(sansa e200)
17:08:33*gevaerts doesn't understand that question
17:08:54deltdoes it get mounted to a fixed location on the player?
17:09:11deltor is there 2 "files" entries on the main page?
17:09:36gevaertsIt will appear in a (mostly) fixed location
17:09:59gevaertsmostly because that will change if you change the partition layout of the internal storage
17:10:00deltlike /microsd/<contents of card> ...?
17:10:34CIA-6New commit by bertrik (r27521): Correction to previous commit: fix condition to include backlight-target.h (not needed for clip+)
17:11:07deltor does it depend how the card is partitioned?
17:11:27pamauryfunman: ok, I'll try myself later, I'm busy right now
17:12:07CIA-6r27521 build result: All green
17:12:36gevaertsIt will (usually) be /<microSD0>/
17:13:11deltgevaerts: ah, got it... and if there's more than 1 fat partition on it, <microSD1> and so on?
17:13:20gevaertsfunman: ah, it starts at 1?
17:13:22*gevaerts isn't sure
17:13:23deltuh <microSD2> and so on?
17:14:07deltawesome, awesome..... thanks for the info guys
17:14:40deltrb's support for the e2x0 players is quite impressive
17:17:28pixelmamicroSD0 is probably the internal storage but you won't see that in the file browser (if it's done the same way as for the Ondios)
17:18:54deltwell, since FAT partitions dont (normally) support file/dir names with < > i suppose you dont have to create the mount point
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17:20:36gevaertsThey're not really mount points in the usual unix sense
17:24:07deltsry was on the phone w/isp
17:25:00deltthey had to change some stuff with my dsl wiring (line sync stuff)
17:27:36deltgevaerts: "usual unix sense" being that the directory exists and some device gets mounted there?
17:27:36deltwhich doesnt surprise me since creating directories with < > would confuse the hell out of windowz machines :3
17:28:40deltheh, i just noticed i can scroll through the battery % and "charging" status when connected to the PC in "don't show up as USB drive" mode (hold select while plugging) neat :D
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17:40:45pixelmadelt: this channel is logged, can you please use something else for testing? (if I saw correctly)
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18:40:40pixelmafunman: the Ondio manuals got Rockboy now (guess because it's ondiofm and ondiosp). It'll be probably easiest and most suitable to exclude ONDIO_PAD (please check if that is the correct name). M3 and the Minis got it too... the important defined options are actually called "m3" and "ipodmini" only
18:41:13pixelmaI could also fix it but only in an hour or so
18:41:27funmani let you fix it, i messed it up too many times already :)
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18:41:54funmanperhaps "m3" should be "iaudiom3" btw
18:42:48pixelmathen you have to rename all of these in the platform files (and in the rest of the code)
18:42:58funmannot a big deal
18:43:12funmannothing sed can do
18:43:28pixelmai don't know
18:43:49pixelmaat least that's for a different commit
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18:46:13pixelmaI wonder how that works for the other includes
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18:49:15pixelmait doesn't
18:49:43Buscheln1s: could you take a look at FS #11491 ?
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18:50:05n1sBuschel: actually just compiled a build with it :)
18:50:15pixelmameh, what a mess :(
18:51:26pixelmaonly discovered after about... 7.5 months
18:51:39Buscheln1s: must be telepathy ;)
18:52:46webguest27I have a new Fuzse v2.5 and I believe funman has fixed the firmware not patching problem. can anbdoy confirm what I need to do to get this to work. Do i just run a SVN buiold through mkamsboot with an OF??
18:53:20funmanwebguest27: build both bootloader & mkamsboot from svn
18:54:37pixelmaZagor caught those in manual/plugins/main.tex in the target rename but not the corresponding platform files. The manuals won't be wrong but including/excluding on options that don't exist, resulting in some descriptions missing and others be wrongly included :/
18:55:11n1sBuschel: something's wrong, there's a lot of glitches introduced in the sound
18:55:22Buschelmeh :/
18:55:43pixelmanot that many plugins affected which is probobly why it went unnoticed. For that, funman's changes were helpful
18:56:13webguest27how do i build a bootlaoder do I need to use the cross compiler as per the wiki?
18:56:13Buschelcan you track down what change introduces this? that's why I only commented the original code...
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18:56:30n1sBuschel: i'll take a look
18:56:54Buscheln1s: thanks. bad thing, I've reviewed it several times...
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19:01:21webguest78funamn: webuser 27 here I just had a dropout, how do I create a bootloader? do I need to use the cross compilers as per the wiki? not very good with code
19:02:47n1syes, you need a crosscompiler to build a bootloader but it might be a good idea to wait untill the people working on this deem support for them good enough to release a new bootloader/mkamsboot
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19:04:40funmanwebguest78: just get this patched OF if you can't wait: funman/fuzpa.bin.bz2">
19:04:59funmann1s: they are good enough but we need to make new AMSv1 bootloaders/mkamsboot so we might as well do it all at once
19:05:28n1sfunman: ah, ok
19:06:08pixelmafunman: I think I'll only make the ONDIO_PAD change for now as it will also give a hint why it is excluded. The rest should be fixed in the platform files and the rest of the manual code, there are some gotchas though
19:07:21Buscheln1s: the most suspicous code changes are the second call of SYNTH_EMAC2 and the first call of SYNTH_EMAC1
19:07:45n1sBuschel: found one thing: the fe and fx parameters are swapped in the second SYNTH_EMAC2 call but that didn't fix it
19:08:02webguest78funman your a legned, thanks for all your efforts, just one more question can I just use RB 3.6 or od I need one of the SVN?
19:08:09Buscheln1s: the swapping is intentional
19:08:22n1sah, then i need to read more carefully
19:08:26funmanwebguest78: as rockbox 3.6 for fuzev2 doesn't exist, you don't have the choice
19:08:35*Buschel needs to bring his son to bed now
19:08:49Buschelwill be back in some minutes (hopefully :)
19:09:09n1si find this numbered parameter syntax for inline asm horrible btw :)
19:09:45Buschelme too, that's what allows errors like we have now...
19:10:16webguest78oops my bad, again thanks though
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19:17:33CIA-6New commit by funman (r27523): lcd-clip.h: mentions clipv2
19:19:18CIA-6r27523 build result: All green
19:19:33kugeln1s: any further progress with gcc444 on cf?
19:21:01kugelfunman: I don't know how to answer it, I think we only had that case once :)
19:21:28kugeland you were around that time :P we simply released new bootloaders for all PP targets when USB was made working on thenm
19:21:52funmanok i'll make bootloaders soon-ish and test fuzev1/clipv1
19:22:57n1skugel: not really, it just needs more testing and making a patch with the new codec tunings
19:23:23n1si suppose, haven't even compiled for any other cf targets yet, i should try that
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19:26:08kugeln1s: everything compiles fine now?
19:27:00n1syeah, libmad needs a patch, but i have that made, and there are a few aliasing warnings for pdbox, so i'll add a -fno-strict-aliasing to that
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19:27:32kugelhm, those warnings are not there with arm gcc?!
19:27:33funmanpamaury: with transfers seem to be triggered, can you check ?
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19:27:55kugeln1s: also, how's the binsize affected?
19:27:58n1skugel: i think that's because core uses -Os for coldfire while it uses -O1 for arm
19:28:10n1sthe core grows ~15k
19:28:34funmanfat rockbox!
19:28:59kugelno wonder you didn't mentioned it yet, I shouldn't have asked publically :)
19:29:49n1sas long as everything fits in iram (which i should check for the other cf targets) that size growt isn't so bad
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19:30:28n1sit's a 3% increase
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19:36:44Buschelback again
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19:50:04Buscheln1s: just reviewed again. cannot find the error... could you further track down?
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19:58:37n1sBuschel: yeah, still looking
20:00:26n1syeah the first SYNTH_EMAC1 call is buggy, i think it's the fo+1 part since fo is one of those weird pointers it gets increased by 32 when you do a fo+1
20:01:19Buschelshit. just came by the same section... try to use SYNTH_EMAC1(hi0,fo,D0ptr+1) instead of SYNTH_EMAC1(hi0,fo+1,D0ptr)
20:02:04Buscheldidn't you mention those %-numbering?
20:02:43*Buschel needs a beer
20:03:02*n1s did :/
20:03:08n1sok, testing that
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20:05:06n1syep, that works correctly
20:05:41aksisHi. I got album art working via the folder.jpg method (so I know it's working), but all files are in /MUSIC and I don't want a separate folder for a few songs from an album −− how do I get album art working from /.rockbox/albumart/ ? For example, I have the mp3 file ("artist_name - song_title.mp3") in /MUSIC (it has the album_title id3v2 tag (and others)), but when I put the album art file ("artist_name - album_title.jpg" - like the docs say) in
20:08:37aksisDo the mp3s need to be named a certain way? Does ./rockbox/albumart/* presume that there will be a folder for the album?
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20:11:18n1sBuschel: the second SYNTH_EMAC2 call is buggy too, all the others are fine
20:11:59Buscheln1s: why? what is wrong with that?
20:12:22n1sdunno yet but it gives me a different checksum
20:12:44Buschelhmmm, let me check again :/
20:13:12n1sthink it needs a +1 on the d0ptr too
20:13:40n1sor rather a -1
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20:14:41bug2000This doesn't make too much sense: Rockbox is considered Stable on Fuze v1/e200v2, Unstable on Clip v1, Clip v2, Clip+, Fuze v2 and Unusable on C200 v2, m200 v4.
20:15:25Tornewhat doesn't make sense about it?
20:15:58n1sno, that's not it
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20:17:16n1sBuschel: something with mac/msac perhaps, it seems those are flipped
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20:18:17simonrvnmakes sense to me
20:18:21bug2000Torne: The syntax. The pharse itself is understandable. Just whats with the splitting?
20:18:27bug2000Makes it feel like there is an error in it.
20:18:58bug2000It says unstable twice.
20:19:02Torneno it doesn't
20:19:12bug2000You are right. It doesn't.
20:19:23bug2000I hate it when my reading fails me.
20:19:29Torneit says stable, unstable and unusable, like the three categories on the front page
20:19:30bug2000And I even bothered to make it bold.
20:19:36bug2000Yeah, I just noticed.
20:19:38n1sBuschel: yeah, that's it! the result is sign flipped
20:19:51bug2000I feel ashamed.
20:20:08simonrvnit's a small mistake, no biggie.
20:20:36bug2000I kept reading it wrong over and over. Must be what I was told about head only counting the letters and reading the first and last ones.
20:21:31Buscheln1s: you're right, the second call swaps msac/mac usage. so, we only need to invert the result to -(hi0<<3) instead hi0<<3
20:21:52n1syep, with that the checksums match again
20:23:37Buscheln1s: couldn't we also just exchange all mac.l with msac.l in EMAC1 and remove the sign-inversion afterwards (both results signs are inverted)
20:24:05n1syes, i thought about that too
20:25:01n1sthe SYNTH_EMAC_ODD_SBSAMPLE and SYNTH_EMAC_EVEN_SBSAMPLE seem to differ only by the pointer offsett too so maybe we can merge those too?
20:25:57Buschelnot really, there is something like a ring-buffer done when using the adress #120
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20:27:29n1sah, decivingly similar but with a subtle difference :)
20:27:51Buschelyep... dangerous...
20:28:39Buschelbtw, updated the patch in the tracker to our latest results. will now make small update in changing mac to msac and removing the sign-inversion
20:29:43n1sthere's no speed diff over svn so i think this is ok
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20:32:05Buscheln1s: the interesting stuff is when you now compare synth_full() for CPU_ARM, CPU_COLDFIRE and the others. It is nearly the same...
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20:35:46n1susing msac for SYNTH_EMAC1 works fine but there's a small slowdown from that for some reason
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20:38:41n1sthe MCF5249 User manual say that msac.l takes 3 cycles but i've always thought that was a typo
20:39:02Buschelok, so we better avoid msac...
20:39:18n1ssince all the other msac variants take the same time as mac
20:39:53n1si'd guess it's a compiler thing rather than this actually being true
20:40:21n1smaybe i should test that
20:42:38Buscheln1s: could you shortly acknowledge that the latest v04-patch works fine? then I will submit it
20:42:54n1sBuschel: ok
20:47:07marazS_a_i_n_t: my nano is now at an ambient room temperature of about 25 degrees, yesterday i formatted the whole thing and reinstalled rockbox to no avail, it still boots up with "No .rockbox directory / Installation incomplete" unless I cool it down first.
20:47:49Buschelmaraz: nano 1G ?
20:48:28n1sBuschel: yep, it's fine
20:49:06Buschelmaraz: hmm, I remember we had similar problems a while ago (at least 2 years ago...). solution cuold be to clock down the device. can you build rockbox?
20:49:23marazi can, but it's not really a solution, is it :)
20:49:27Buscheln1s: thanks! I hope I can help you with testing some time :)
20:49:41n1sno problem
20:49:42Buschelmaraz: well, if it works? ;)
20:50:13marazBuschel: meh, i wouldn't really want to make a custom build every time i upgrade
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20:51:42Buschelmaraz: well, either you make a custom build each time (I do so -> to use higher clock ;) ) or you need to cool down your nano or you buy another one... I guess making a custom build is the easiest way
20:52:47pokeswhat are the downsides to underclocking if you can, wouldn't it save on battery?
20:54:04Buschelpokes: not really. as the cpu clock is scaling a lower max clock will only avoid overheating and reduce the maximum reachable speed for games/videos etc.
20:54:25n1spokes: we adjust the cpu speed on most players already
20:54:30pokesi see
20:54:36Buschelmaraz: another positive effect -> you may also add some patches that will increase your battery runtime :)
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20:54:49marazBuschel: interesting.
20:54:56marazalthough my battery definitely needs replacement
20:54:59marazit's from 2005...
20:55:03marazi think...
20:55:06marazor 2006?
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20:55:20marazit's not the processor that is overheating
20:55:27marazit's the flash chip
20:55:42marazor perhaps the ATA controller, should there be one, i don't know
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20:56:14Buschelmaraz: you might just take a look at FS #8668 (which lowers the low cpu freq). you could just change the patch to also lower the max cpu freq. gain: more battery life, loss: less maximum performance
20:56:42Buschelmaraz: you could give an "underclocking" a try
20:57:11marazit would probably work as the problems started appearing after rockbox started using the full 80MHz clock
20:57:33CIA-6New commit by Buschel (r27524): Submit FS #11491. Refactor coldfire inline asm within libmad's synth_full() to gain better readability. Thanks to Nils Wallménius for supporting.
20:57:38Buschelmaraz: exactly
20:57:59marazthing is, this probably isn't an isolated case
20:58:58marazmost people installing rockbox and running into this probably think the problem is rockbox itself sucking, a botched installation or perhaps even broken hardware
20:59:07Buschelyou are again correct. but, if you could try an underclocking we would have the information about whether this may solve the issue
20:59:10CIA-6r27524 build result: All green
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21:40:52bertrikI changed clip* contrast to backlight brightness and enabled backlight fading, it doesn't look that bad
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21:58:07bug2000Ok, this time I'm pretty sure I read it correctly. `2.3.31 or 2.3.31`.
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21:58:57bug2000Fuzev2: some models can only be upgraded to 2.3.31 or 2.3.31 OF version because of some hardware changes: these models can be rockboxed only with a bootloader and mkamsboot built from SVN.
22:00:18Tornewell, then find out what's right and fix it
22:00:19marazso, Buschel, any idea what i should underclock to?
22:00:30Torneit presumably means two *different* versions
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22:09:14genaHello! I would like to ask whether it is possible to get the source code for the default .wps file (iPod nano 2G). I would like to add just one tag (%pr) to it and save under different name. Thanks!
22:09:44Torne..source code
22:09:53Torne.wps files are source code
22:09:58Tornejust edit it
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22:11:35genaIt is too complex to add all tags. I wanted to get like a template and just add one more tag.
22:11:55Torneby default theme, you mean cabbiev2?
22:12:15Torneyellow and black? :)
22:12:22genano, i mean rockbox_default
22:12:46Torneyou like that? :)
22:13:02n1sgena: isn't that one included in the install as well?
22:13:09genarockbox_default, white on the black, i like it.
22:13:53n1sah, no it's just a dummy file :)
22:13:54genaIt is included in the install, of course. That is how I got it.
22:14:21Torneyeah, i'm fidning it, one sec
22:14:59Torneit's in there
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22:15:28bug2000Torne: For that I'd need the hardware... I was just reading.
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22:15:38genaDummy file - this is exactly what my problem is. I wold like to get the real wps tags behind this dummy file.
22:15:40Tornebug2000: well, the information is probably somewhere else
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22:17:02bug2000No wait. Wrong one.
22:17:08Tornegena: for your player it's line 128 and lines 130 to 135
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22:17:30Tornewhich is easier if, er, i link to the version with line numbers
22:17:32Torne :)
22:17:55genaTorne, thank you so much for the link!
22:18:08Torneno problem
22:18:14Torneit's not really explained anywhere because we assume nobody cares
22:18:30Tornesince it is so spectacularly ugly and exists purely so that rockbox isn't useless after anopther wps fails to load ;)
22:21:51bug2000Torne: Seems like the issue is since ever. It was added that way and never changed.
22:22:54genaFantastic! This is my first encounter with getting support on open source project via IRC channel. I am stunned how fast it was. THANK YOU Torne!
22:24:04Tornebug2000: yes, it's probably a typo, but i don't know what the right answer is; prod someone who works on AMS
22:24:13Torneor look on the forum threads where it was discussed
22:24:40Tornegena: we try; you asked a reasonable question that's difficult for you to find out on your own, since it *isn't* really referred to anywhere :)
22:24:51Tornes'better than people asking stuff that's clearly in the manual :)
22:27:11mc2739bug2000: SansaAMS page has now been updated
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22:29:15bug2000mc2739: And I was just trying to find this info >.>
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22:30:33bug2000mc2739: −−> Shouldn't one test to see if it works with the older versions and update it correctly? or it's a no biggie who cares?
22:31:30bug2000mc2739: Also, I believe .33 is the latest one for Fuzev2 which renders the entire line useless, doesn't it?
22:31:58bug2000[And yes, I only now bothered to think about it >.>]
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22:33:01mc2739bug2000: there are two models of what we call "Fuzev2" - one model will run all versions of the OF, and the other only runs 2.3.31 and 2.3.33
22:33:49bug2000mc2739: But not older?
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22:34:09bug2000Interesting :)
22:34:39mc2739bug2000: correct, the newer model has hardware changes which the older firmware versions do not support
22:35:06bug2000I see, thank you. Is there a way to check which version is a player without trying to downgrade it?
22:36:13mc2739yes, you need to flash a firmware file that has been renamed to enable a dignosis mode
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23:00:25teratazis there a way to have playlists & mp3 working from sd memory on a sansa fuze?
23:01:10bug2000terataz: Doesn't it by default?
23:01:41teratazbug2000: from my experience, they work only from main memory
23:02:03teratazmove it to sd,edit it accordingly, and they won't work anymore
23:02:09bug2000terataz: I didn't look at Rockbox with an SD card, but I believe it appears as a folder called something, right?
23:02:17bug2000Oh, so you did change the path, odd.
23:02:43teratazyou can have the mp3s in the sd but playlist seems that it has to stay in main memory
23:02:52teratazso that it will appear in the rockbox playlist folder
23:02:54pixelmayou mean mixing data from external and internal memory and premade playists from the PC?
23:03:11teratazpixelma: no, i mean loading both playlists and mp3s in the sd
23:03:13pixelmahow do you change the path?
23:03:15bug2000So if I understand correctly, it just doesn't look for pls on the sd?
23:03:21bug2000m3u* whatever
23:03:24teratazbug2000: correct
23:03:42teratazpixelma mmc:0 = main memory ; mmc:1 = sd
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23:06:01pixelmano, it's either <microSD1> for external on the fuze and nothing (I *believe*) for internal. But IIRC Rockbox should also find the files if you leave out this part, it'll look in both places
23:07:18teratazi'm following the syntax as explained in this thread
23:07:31teratazi use .m3u
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23:09:42bug2000terataz: m3u8 > m3u but thats another story.
23:09:56pixelmapla is a different format and used by the OF. Rockbox only does m3u or m3u8 - since it can't read .pla I guess the format differs a bit
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23:10:27teratazpixelma: are you suggesting something like microSD1:/MUSIC/Music/Eurythmics/eurythmics-missionary_man.mp3
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23:12:46teratazpixelma: a syntax example ?
23:13:16teratazmmc:0/MUSIC/Music/Eurythmics/eurythmics-missionary_man.mp3 works fine if mp3 is in main
23:13:30bug2000pixelma: Original Sansa firmware reads m3u / m3u8.
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23:13:50teratazbug2000: does it?
23:14:33pixelmamaybe you could just leave out the microSD: one part or replace it by <microSD1> but: I don't know how the m3u syntax looks like. You could try and write a playlist through Rockbox from either memory and compare. I'm trying to find related threads in the Rockbox forums
23:15:02bug2000terataz: Yeah, I've used that and only that as playlists on my clip.
23:15:37bug2000pixelma: It reads the songs on the microsd fine if I understood correctly. The only issue is that Rockbox doesn't check the microsd for playslists.
23:15:47teratazbug2000: without rockbox?
23:16:13bug2000terataz: Yeah. Before I had rockbox installed.
23:16:36pixelmabug2000: huh, that's not how I understood it
23:17:38bug2000<bug2000> So if I understand correctly, it just doesn't look for pls on the sd? <terataz> bug2000: correct
23:17:46pixelmawell "read" as in "understanding" is what I thought
23:18:00teratazpixelma: thanks for the link. In fact the problem only arise when you place both m3u and mp3 on the sd
23:18:08bug2000I can understand you. I wasn't sure at first as well.
23:18:25bug2000terataz: Try to kill the folder path.
23:18:36bug2000terataz: I believe it tries directly the SD when it's on the SD.
23:18:53teratazbug2000: so put m3u on sd root?
23:18:59*pixelma gives up
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23:19:52bug2000terataz: Ya.
23:20:04bug2000terataz: It's a guess, I want to know if it works.
23:20:27teratazbug2000: would you know if with OF i could put both m3u and mp3s on sd?
23:20:47teratazpixelma: thanks anyway
23:21:58bug2000terataz: I can assume you can. But thats just a guess. I never tried.
23:22:10bug2000terataz: Did the path solve it on rockbox?
23:22:27teratazbug2000: can't test it now. will let you know when i do
23:22:33teratazbug2000: thx for your help
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23:23:15*bug2000 believe he contributed to rockbox his tiny share.
23:23:59pixelmaI'm more confused than I was before
23:25:12bug2000pixelma: Sometimes you have to use non logical things to solve non logical questions.
23:26:24bug2000Anyway, I'm gone. Good night.
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23:53:53marazunderclocking to 72/24MHz did absolutely nothing to alleviate the problem
23:54:03marazperhaps it is indeed my hardware that has reached the end of its lifespan
23:54:34Torne72 is not a lot lower
23:54:38Tornetry, like, 40
23:54:49Torneyou will still be able to play quite a few codecs that way
23:55:08maraz75 used to work in 2007 ;)
23:55:27Torneisn't it worth trying? maybe yor hardware has gotten worse ;)
23:55:32marazmaybe it has
23:55:38marazbut it's not the processor that is at fault here
23:55:43marazit's the flash chip or the ATA controller
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