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#rockbox log for 2010-08-06

00:01:10	CIA-6	r27728 build result: All green
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00:26:52	FlynDice	kugel: I've almost conquered eclipse(I think...) one more error to overcome line 157 in RockboxService.java , it's coughing on R.drawable.rb saying it can't be resolved. It's offering some suggestions but I'm a bit clueless here... any ideas and/or do you get this error also?
00:27:24	kugel	FlynDice: is that fresh svn?
00:27:29	FlynDice	yes
00:27:36	kugel	I deleted that resource
00:28:02	FlynDice	hmmm well it's git svn rebase let me check again
00:28:47	kugel	interesting
00:29:59	FlynDice	well rebase is telling me R.java needs update now so maybe I've mixed up a few steps...
00:30:18	FlynDice	I'll try again here and see what happens
00:31:48	CIA-6	New commit by bieber (r27729): Theme Editor: Implemented resizing in RBMovable subclasses. Implementation is still somewhat crash-prone, but mostly works at this point
00:33:22	CIA-6	r27729 build result: All green
00:33:42	kugel	FlynDice: right, I've no idea why it's not an error on my system
00:34:26	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r27730): Remove faulty reference to inexistent resource.
00:35:57	FlynDice	kugel: No error anymore on that at least, I don't know how R.java ended up left over there? I'm still getting an "Error generating final archive:null" though. I was hoping that was being caused by the other error.
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00:35:59	CIA-6	r27730 build result: All green
00:36:29	kugel	FlynDice: that one is nasty. you need to go into the "problems" tab and delete that errer
00:36:35	kugel	error
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00:36:54	FlynDice	make not be flagged as an error?
00:36:59	FlynDice	er make it
00:37:11	kugel	just select it and hit del
00:37:23	FlynDice	ok
00:38:45	FlynDice	well that was easy, I'm just going to start deleting all my errors now! How long's this been going on! ;-)
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00:45:09	FlynDice	kugel: I see what's happening, When I try to import the rockbox project into eclipse it is altering the R.java file, or creating it maybe?
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00:45:30	kugel	dunno
00:46:09	kugel	have you managed it now?
00:48:24	FlynDice	well if I revert it in git I get rid of the error in R.java, If I delete the Error generating.... error it says there's no apk in /bin
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00:52:51	FlynDice	When I try to export a signed application it says redX " Rockbox/bin/Rockbox.apk does not exist!"
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01:31:22	kugel	FlynDice: really strange
01:31:43	kugel	I always just hit run and copy the apk manually from the bin dir
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01:33:27	FlynDice	well googling the error has me trying all kinds of things with debug.keystore and I think I'm going to try removing config files next....
01:34:23	FlynDice	I installed all this on this machine several years ago to play with it and then got drawn into rockbox....
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01:35:17	FlynDice	I think I may have some old crud in the config dirs that's screwing me up here but who knows
01:36:51	FlynDice	That's going to have to wait for tomorrow though
01:37:01	kugel	FlynDice: I usually delete the error in the problems tab, after that it works
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01:43:07	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r27731): Cabbiev2 320x480 touchscreen support.
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01:44:44	CIA-6	r27731 build result: All green
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02:01:51	kugel	any chance we can get a minimum line height in the menus for touchscreen targets?
02:02:10	kugel	I would actually like smaller font but will be too small for most thumbs
02:02:15	JdGordon\|	usual answer
02:02:20	JdGordon\|	someone just needs to do the work
02:02:34	JdGordon\|	linking the viewport line height to a different number than the font height shuold be doable
02:03:03	JdGordon\|	drawing the text will be a bit more annoying though
02:03:08	JdGordon\|	need to vertically center it
02:03:13	kugel	it should only apply in lists IMO, maybe we hook into the lists instead
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02:03:30	JdGordon\|	that will be alot harder
02:05:45	kugel	I'm not so sure
02:05:48	pixelma	chose a different default font and using a different font in the WPS might be a lot easie. The one problem I can see there is inclusion of said font
02:06:38	kugel	well, I had a shit lot of trouble the other day with sysfont and absolute mode
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02:07:40	pixelma	I don't mean sysfont actually. Just a different default font and some WPS which sets a second font
02:08:14	kugel	with these huge font everything looks a bit crowded anyway, I find a small clearance between the lines would look nicer too
02:08:50	kugel	pixelma: I know, I meant I accidentally got sysfont and it was really troublesome to pick a normal font again
02:09:01	pixelma	that depends on the font. It can include more spacing
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02:18:17	JdGordon\|	well there are a few problems
02:18:33	JdGordon\|	if we make the list draw to a set x/y pixel the line cant scroll
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02:18:48	JdGordon\|	and if we use the lcd driver to set the line height it will happen everywhere
02:20:37	kugel	ah, that stupid scrolling engine :/
02:21:20	kugel	it's always limiting
02:21:38	JdGordon\|	because I have the skin system on my brain, the idea I've been playing with in my head is setting up a viewport in the sbs which the list uses for each item
02:21:53	JdGordon\|	but I just realised that wont make scrolling work either without some help
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02:23:02	JdGordon\|	that would also allow people to do grid style lists for touch screens!
02:23:04	kugel	I thought sbs can set up the list viewport already?
02:23:21	JdGordon\|	yeah, but I'm talking about the skin each list item uses
02:23:27	JdGordon\|	sort of like the playlist viewer in the wps
02:23:37	kugel	this grids are only useful for few lists
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02:23:45	kugel	not generally
02:25:59	kugel	hm, somehow my volume touch region doesn't use the full width
02:26:29	JdGordon\|	can we disable volume changing from in rockbox? just leave that to the os?
02:28:12	kugel	for what reason?
02:31:03	JdGordon\|	well, no real reason I guess, just that accidentaly changing the rockbox volume sucks
02:31:15	JdGordon\|	leave that on 0 and use the hardware buttons for volume control
02:34:51	*	kugel blames integer division
02:36:35	S_a_i_n_t	Regarding the font, is spacing between the lines the issue? Or am I missing something? Convbdf can be used to set that with relative ease.
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02:37:32	kugel	it is an issue if you need to navigate with the thumb through 8px heigh list items
02:38:44	JdGordon\|	unless you have a stylus that works with the capacative touchscreen
02:39:41	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r27732): Fix conditiona viewports logic
02:40:02	S_a_i_n_t	well, it's easy to fix.
02:40:27	S_a_i_n_t	a PITA to do it for each font, but, easy enough to fix.
02:41:18	CIA-6	r27732 build result: All green
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02:42:10	JdGordon\|	hardly an ideal fix
02:42:19	JdGordon\|	fonts are supposed to be target independant
02:42:45	JdGordon\|	we can probably add a lineheight option to the viewport struct so it would only be used when needed
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02:44:34	*	S_a_i_n_t wonders about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25435.msg170183#msg170183 ...new parser thing?
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02:53:04	CIA-6	New commit by kugel (r27733): Fix launcher icon (once more).
02:53:29	kugel	FlynDice: ^ might have resolved your issues
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02:54:36	CIA-6	r27733 build result: All green
02:56:51	kugel	Some recent screenshots: http://imagebin.org/108278 http://imagebin.org/108279 http://imagebin.org/108280
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03:01:21	kugel	new 480x800 build: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox-480x800.apk
03:02:58	kugel	new 320x480 build: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox.apk
03:06:48	pixelma	the animation in DancePuffDuo looks way to slow in a recent M5 build (subline timeouts are 0.2s each but look like 2s)
03:07:00	pixelma	s/to/too
03:07:57	pixelma	and r27726 to be precise
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03:08:10	JdGordon\|	does it really have to unzip the libmisc every install?
03:08:21	kugel	JdGordon\|: only if it's newer
03:08:35	kugel	if you only cp librockbox.so over then not
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03:09:05	JdGordon\|	eek... it loded my config but not the fonts, ive now got stylus mode with sysfont!
03:09:39	kugel	you're better off deleting config.cfg with some other app...
03:09:53	JdGordon\|	yep, doing
03:10:03	kugel	I guess the previus build was pre-r27720
03:11:02	JdGordon\|	what should the font line look like?
03:11:08	JdGordon\|	/.rockbox/fonts/font.fnt right?
03:11:23	kugel	better delete the line :)
03:11:33	kugel	you can look how it's supposed to be after
03:11:57	kugel	IIRC it needs to be something like /data/data/org.rockbox/app_rockbox/rockbox/font.fnt
03:12:21	JdGordon\|	hehe and we need to FC rockbox or it wont take effect :/
03:15:45	kugel	any reason you asked for the equalizer? I'll just assume you know it totally doesn't work in absolute mode? :)
03:16:21	JdGordon\|	because I was looking at patches last night and saw the eq has a patch for that
03:23:05	kugel	S_a_i_n_t: are you going to do the icons?
03:29:02	JdGordon\|	I wonder if we should make it easier for new sizes by doing more defaults for font sizes and stuff?
03:33:50	kugel	I don't think so
03:34:15	kugel	I mean, the defaults don't make it hard, cabbie does :)
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04:18:20	cpnfantstk	Want to install RB on Clip V1 but want to maintain DRM capabilities with the original OF. Does newer builds of Clip V1 keep the DRM capabilities of the OF? Thanks.
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05:19:42	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: I was planning on it, yes.
05:19:51	S_a_i_n_t	I'll probably start them later tonight.
05:20:23	S_a_i_n_t	I can't help but think how much easier all the skinning/UI stuff would be if Rockbox had support for SVG
05:20:43	S_a_i_n_t	then we could just have one of everything, and resize it at build time.
05:21:14	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmm, I guess RB doesn't actually need to support SVG, it could be resized and exported to bitmap.
05:22:52	S_a_i_n_t	target config tells the build what size it needs, SVGs get resized and exported to bitmap, included in the build...done. (possibly dreaming, but shit it would be nice...)
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05:31:29	JdGord	Svg in the build might be overkill but a script to create the bmps from s svg would be very useful
05:33:24	S_a_i_n_t	Yes, I just thought after that that it needed actually be in core...that way we could get rid of "cabbie-XXXxYYYxZZ" and just have "cabbie.svg"
05:33:46	S_a_i_n_t	probably wouldn't work for greyscale though, well...I'm not sure there actually.
05:34:33	JdGord	We can always use imagemagic to convert to grey
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06:02:35	Dhraakellian	so I just bought a Nokia N900 off ebay the other day
06:02:52	Dhraakellian	wondering how to run Rockbox on it when it arrives
06:03:06	Dhraakellian	use a touchscreen target's simulator?
06:03:31	Dhraakellian	since RaaA is targetting Java/Android?
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07:34:03	CIA-6	New commit by bieber (r27734): Theme Editor: Made SBS elements in WPS documents non-interactive, which makes it a little more difficult to crash the editor
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07:37:07	S_a_i_n_t	bieber: "non-interactive"?
07:37:19	bieber	Yeah
07:37:51	bieber	Up until now, if you had a WPS document that was also rendering elements from the SBS, you could grab and move/resize those elements
07:38:34	S_a_i_n_t	I'm not sure I understand how a WPS can render elements from an SBS
07:38:40	bieber	Problem is, that SBS rendering is kind of shoe-horned in, and editing those objects was screwing things up and segfaulting from time to time, and it really doesn't make sense to be able to change elements that aren't part of the current document anyways
07:39:06	bieber	The SBS is the base of all skin documents, unless there's a %wd in there
07:41:46	S_a_i_n_t	right, yesh...I forget that sometimes, I always just use the .sbs to do what the fms wps rwps etc can't.
07:41:58	S_a_i_n_t	I forget it's possible to make an .sbs only theme.
07:42:19	S_a_i_n_t	It would be interesting to try that actually...
07:42:39	bieber	That would be interesting
07:43:26	S_a_i_n_t	In theory its possible, but you'd be confined to one backdrop.
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09:52:52	pixelma	I doubt SVGs and automatic scaling to different resolutions and bit depths would be helpful. At least on greyscale and monochrome you get bad results (see the tango icons or early cabbiev2 tries), on colour you probably get a problem with the magic magenta transparent areas
09:53:22	CIA-6	New commit by bieber (r27735): Theme Editor: Made progress bar display correctly when resized, fixed some segfaults caused by editing SBS elements from a WPS document and then ...
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10:09:07	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: The idea what nice...but, now I think of it those are indeed valis points.
10:09:13	S_a_i_n_t	*valid
10:09:34	S_a_i_n_t	I forgot about the transparencies.
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11:03:14	S_a_i_n_t	Does the themesite keep count of themes downloaded by rbutil?
11:03:54	S_a_i_n_t	Or is it solely downloads via the themesite itself?
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12:27:14	sasquatch	i just tried to install rockbox stable and current on e280... either i dont understand the menu or "down" doesnt work...
12:27:35	sasquatch	with original firmware all keys seem ok
12:29:25	pixelma	what do you think "down" does? The keymaps will differ from the OF as there is other functionality too
12:29:58	sasquatch	in the main menu i cant go to settings
12:30:10	sasquatch	always the 1st point is selected
12:30:25	pixelma	and what does turning the wheel do?
12:30:27	sasquatch	Files
12:32:15	sasquatch	(o)
12:32:24	sasquatch	:-D
12:32:53	sasquatch	i expected the "down" key to do this function
12:32:57	sasquatch	sorry
12:33:17	pixelma	you may want to read our manual a bit... http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html (there's also a PDF version available if you prefer that)
12:33:54	sasquatch	i always have problems with devices with less than 85 keys
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13:29:41	pixelma	there is some weirdness going on with the Iaudio remote WPSs as far as I can tell from an X5 sim. (1) the cabbiev2.rwps doesn't load and just shows an the built-in one but there is no error message. (2) the rwps only updates in certain cases except the track length and played time which updates correctly - the only way to make e.g. current title and artist etc. update is stop playback and resume, after that title etc. won't update anymore
13:38:56	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: Have you tried sims for any other remote targets (are there any even? I have no idea)...is it just that one, or are all remotes affected?
13:43:25	pixelma	haven't tried any other lcd remote targets yet. Sure there are others - the M5 uses the same remote and the Iaudio M3 also but the latter treats it as main screen. The Iriver H100 and H300 have lcd remotes too, also the M:Robes but I'm not sure if the latter are simulated yet.
13:44:13	pixelma	unfortunately I don't have the remote to test on my M5
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13:53:39	dockimble	i have a sansa clip+ that i cannot install the bootloader on
13:53:47	dockimble	i need help
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13:56:51	pixelma	I think you need a new enough Rockbox Utility but that's all I know. Maybe hang around a bit until someone is here who can tell more
13:57:26	pixelma	n1s: do you have an lcd remote for your H300?
13:57:32	n1s	nope
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14:08:33	dockimble	i have a sansa clip+ that i cannot install the bootloader on
14:08:35	dockimble	i've used the utility and manual install
14:08:36	dockimble	i need help
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14:19:34	dockimble	i hope this works
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15:03:14	giovanni__	about those bugs I've spoken here about 2 days ago, they seems to be related to the theme I was testing and to the config.cfg file
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15:05:29	giovanni__	one thing I'd would like to have for the wps, is a new skin tag to enable/disable the internal speaker for the vx777 and vx747, could someone please help me building it?
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15:53:04	kugel	FlynDice: cool, I also made a commit tonight which fixed R.java
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15:57:27	pixelma	the
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16:00:11	pixelma	probably the commit to exclude RGB values in %Vf/Vb on greyscale screens causes problems on the X5 - now WPSs with those values are excluded even on the main screen which is colour. A nice hint is given by the theme site, the X5 should have the same amount of themes as the 20GB H10 but has even less than the 160x128 greyscale targets
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16:07:53	pixelma	the two that are less would be correct as those are ones that set grey shades in %Vf/b
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16:13:53	pixelma	S_a_i_n_t: fwiw, the cabbiev2.wps itself is ok, it works correctly as a main screen WPS in an M3 sim
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16:25:25	pixelma	trying an H300 sim next
16:25:51	pixelma	giovanni__: lo ;) what was so special about the theme you tried, do you know?
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16:54:36	pamaury	yes that's what I thought. Any thought on how to handle the formatting of the file ? Under linux that be done with a mix of fdisk/loopback/mkfs.vfat I think but under windows I don't how it could be done
16:54:45	kugel	pamaury: I think simulating this would only makes sense if it doesn't introduce a lot of extra code which doesn't run on target
16:55:00	pamaury	kugel: no extra code on target
16:55:23	kugel	right, the extra code is not on target
16:55:31	kugel	that's what I mean
16:55:50	kugel	we want to simulate code which runs on target, hence we should keep the non-target code at a minimum
16:55:53	pamaury	it's mostly a matter of #ifdef hell and implementing the right functions, it adds no code unless for compile support for it
16:56:32	kugel	so it would be disabled by default?
16:57:42	pamaury	For now there are two majors changes: 1) the init() of hosted target gets more complicated (more like the target one) 2) implemente {sd,ata,mmc}_* functions. I think so yes. My code depends on an extra define ROCKBOX_SIMULATE_STORAGE_LAYER which would be disabled by default
16:57:46	gevaerts	I'd imagine it mainly being a file-backed storage driver (similar to my loopback patch, except it would use host IO functions of course), and preprocessor logic to make it use that and not the host filesystem
16:58:46	kugel	it also shouldn't make the sim a pain to work with (e.g. for themers)
16:59:14	gevaerts	That's why it would include samba.rock :)
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17:00:33	pamaury	when running from a file as storage, it makes it more difficult to update the content of the disk, because you need to mount the file, make the changes, unmount,... Except if you compile usb simulation in and simulate usb device to update the simulated hard disk of the simulated device :)
17:01:14	pamaury	current code: http://pastebin.com/tL4r0YqF
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17:02:51	pamaury	kugel: you are the one changed most thing for the sim recently so tell me if you strange things related to the #define or other
17:02:56	pamaury	*who
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17:04:15	kugel	pamaury: uisimulator/common/io.c is the key file for file i/o on hosted platforms
17:04:34	kugel	it's not terribly complicated so I guess you find your way
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17:05:34	pamaury	yes but it's more complicated than I need, I just need to be able to read a single file, so open should be sufficient ? Or I can move the common defines to a file. Most of io.c is useless for file as storage
17:06:51	giovanni__	pixelma: the theme I was using is something i'm working on
17:08:05	kugel	pamaury: I guess you don't want io.c at all but a new driver-like file and then compile firmware/common/file.c
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17:08:26	pamaury	that's what I do
17:08:59	kugel	I'm not sure how I can help you :)
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17:18:39	pixelma	S_a_i_n_t: on H300, the cabbiev2.rwps appears but has the update problem too
17:18:52	pixelma	(in an H300 sim)
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18:16:56	pixelma	is someone with a target with lcd remote around who could test updating of the RWPS in a current build (won't take long I guess)?
18:17:28	pixelma	I mean someone who also has an lcd remote for it
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18:34:16	YaTomat	Who can give me working firmware for ipod 2g?
18:34:35	Torne	our website, presumably
18:34:45	Torne	unless you mean the original firmware, in which case "itunes" or felixbruns.de
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18:35:06	YaTomat	This one don't work on my ipod, it's unstable
18:35:36	YaTomat	Ipod is nano 2g
18:35:56	Torne	you will note that it explciitly says that the nano 2g port is unstable on the front page
18:36:07	Torne	what problems are you having?
18:36:43	YaTomat	I know, it says PANIC Stkov nand" on some menus
18:37:25	Torne	and then does it work when you reset, or do you have to restore it?
18:37:27	YaTomat	And it's on white screen
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18:38:12	YaTomat	I am resetting and this happens again
18:40:15	Torne	well, i don't know a great deal about the problems on the nano2g, i'm afraid
18:40:24	YaTomat	bad
18:40:25	Torne	but there's no "working firmware" you can be given
18:40:31	YaTomat	i know
18:40:35	Torne	the latest release is the best-working version :)
18:40:39	Torne	er, the latest current build, even
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18:40:43	Torne	not the release, which is quite old now
18:41:16	Torne	if you have specific reproducable problems it'd be good to post them on the forums or on flyspray to see if nayone can find a source, but if it's just random then i'm not sure how much use that would be
18:48:40	pixelma	I'm sure I read about a problem on the 2nd gen Nanos in current builds
18:49:04	YaTomat	And how to load songs on ipod not randomly, but on folders? Never owned a ipod.
18:50:14	Dreamxtreme	LL
18:50:17	Dreamxtreme	LOL
18:50:23	Dreamxtreme	i want rockbox on my classic 1G!
18:50:33	Dreamxtreme	nanos sucks for disk space
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18:52:18	pixelma	Dreamxtreme: what does that have to do with anything currently - and could you stop your "lol" thing?
18:53:14	Dreamxtreme	i only said it once
18:54:37	YaTomat	Where is the directory, where ipod keeps music? Is it hidden?
18:55:23	Torne	YaTomat: itunes puts it in a subfolder under ipod_data
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18:55:29	Torne	you can just put your files anywher eyou like
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18:55:32	Torne	rockbox doesn't care where they are
18:55:48	pixelma	YaTomat: Rockbox can read and play the files if you just copy them over just like on any other storage device. However, if you also want to listen to them with the original firmware then you have to copy them over with iTunes or similar. In this case they will be put in oa random directory structure but if they are well tagged you can find them listed correctly if the database is enabled
18:56:07	YaTomat	but rockbox don't work on my ipod
18:56:32	YaTomat	oh, so fast
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18:56:57	Dreamxtreme	BTW
18:57:33	YaTomat	I thought this is not working folder
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19:06:46	Chronon	I posted a trivial patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11522 to allow Rockbox to open .l configurations with Rocklife. The file format is equivalent to supported .cells files, so the patch only adds a line to viewers.config.
19:20:02	YaTomat	what is rocklife?
19:21:15	pamaury	rockbox game of like ?
19:21:18	pamaury	life
19:23:37	Chronon	It's a plugin/viewer for Conway's game of life.
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20:00:34	ignitionnight	Help! I accidentally selected a theme that my iriver ihp120 cannot display properly, now its virtually unusable.... How can I revert to the standard theme or completely reset the device and start over?
20:02:57	bertrik	I think you can remove (or rename) the file config.cfg in the .rockbox directory to reset the configuration
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20:03:29	bertrik	There's probably also a key you can hold during boot that reset settings, this is probably described in the manual
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20:54:33	Temik	Hi. Simulator on PCBSD not building. Not find ldl.
20:56:20	Temik	libdl does not exist in bsd
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21:00:16	midijunkie	heya, i want to build the android app, someone out there to help? "bin/sh: build/prebuild........./arm-eabi-gcc: not found"
21:00:46	midijunkie	it is in the android ndk but im not a shell pro, someone?
21:01:07	Temik	In bsd exist libltdl. In tools/configure necessary replace LDOPTS="$LDOPTS -ldl" => LDOPTS="$LDOPTS -lltdl"
21:02:39	simonrvn	midijunkie: you need to build the toolchain
21:04:21	midijunkie	ok, i have no clue
21:04:53	simonrvn	that's what rockboxdev.sh is for
21:05:06	simonrvn	see the wiki and docs
21:05:19	midijunkie	yeah, i already did that
21:05:32	midijunkie	i can build rbx for my sansa without problems
21:05:43	midijunkie	only the android app doesnt work
21:05:59	midijunkie	and its both arm-eabi, isnt it
21:06:20	Torne	midijunkie: no
21:06:27	Torne	simonrvn: you're wrong I'm afraid ;)
21:06:46	Torne	well, it's an arm eabi config, but i don't think the prefix is the same
21:07:02	Torne	the android build doesn't use our toolchain, it uses the one from the NDK
21:07:22	simonrvn	oh, ok
21:07:45	Torne	midijunkie: have you done what the android readme says, set ANDROID_NDK_PATH?
21:07:46	simonrvn	thank you for the correction
21:07:48	Torne	did configure complain?
21:09:09	Torne	it sounds like you don'thave that environment variable set
21:09:18	Torne	configure is looking for $ANDROID_NDK_PATH/build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-$gccchoice/bin/arm-eabi-
21:09:19	midijunkie	no, i started with rbx, got the ndk but didnt know how carry on
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21:09:32	Torne	midijunkie: i mean, the README int he android directory in Rockbox
21:09:37	Torne	which tells you how to buiuld for android
21:09:42	midijunkie	hm, no, didnt see that one
21:09:51	Torne	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/android/README?revision=27718&view=markup
21:10:18	midijunkie	okay, thx, thats a good point to start
21:12:08	midijunkie	i see, lots of fun :>
21:13:12	TheSeven	[21:02] TheSeven wonders if it's possible to rework the rockbox file system code in such a way, that:
21:13:12	TheSeven	[21:02] <TheSeven> - it doesn't do unaligned storage accesses
21:13:12	TheSeven	[21:02] <TheSeven> - has an unlimited number of open files (struct space provided by caller)
21:13:12	DBUG	Enqueued KICK TheSeven
21:13:12	TheSeven	[21:02] <TheSeven> - the only static buffers are the fat cache
21:13:12	TheSeven	[21:02] <TheSeven> - it never places sector buffers on the stack
21:13:13	***	Alert Mode level 1
21:13:13	TheSeven	[21:06] <TheSeven> i agree that we need a single sector buffer per file or directory, and the lfn buffer for directories. but do we really need the other buffers?
21:14:25	gevaerts	TheSeven: wouldn't tat actually increase the number of buffers?
21:15:17	TheSeven	i'm not sure about that. having a pool might allow some overcommitment, but i'm caring more about the other points
21:15:58	gevaerts	If you have a pool, I don't see the point of putting the file data at the caller side
21:16:26	TheSeven	i didn't say that
21:16:45	midijunkie	there is nobody who got the rockbox.apk for a 800*480 screen?
21:16:48	TheSeven	actually what bugs me most are those on-stack buffers
21:17:40	gevaerts	Yes, I suspected that :). Getting rid of that is worth some effort, but I think the other points don't give any advantage
21:19:08	TheSeven	well, the other points (besides the unlimited number of files one) are probably met automatically if we kill the on-stack buffers
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21:20:26	gevaerts	hm, I hadn't paid attention to the unaligned accesses bit. I don't object to that one either
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21:20:40	TheSeven	for example, i would assume that the fsinfo sector will only be written to when the data in the file's sector buffer can be discarded
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21:21:04	Torne	it depends hwat you mean by unaligned
21:21:10	gevaerts	True
21:21:11	TheSeven	not cacheline aligned
21:21:16	Torne	do you mean not word aligned, or not aligned to STORAGE_ALIGN_MASK
21:21:17	Torne	right
21:21:27	Torne	well, reducing that was on my todo list
21:21:37	Torne	but i don't think you can eliminate it without introducing new buffers :)
21:21:48	Torne	because application code can do reads/writes from anywhere
21:22:07	TheSeven	ok, but that only applies to huge write-throughs at least
21:22:14	Torne	it does?
21:22:19	Torne	it applies to any read/write of >=512 bytes
21:22:22	Torne	well, sector size
21:22:41	Torne	well, any sector aligned read of at least a sector
21:22:51	Torne	which happens a lot if you load a file into ram
21:22:55	Torne	(entire)
21:23:01	TheSeven	whoever writes such an amount of data should be able to afford aligning it
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21:23:20	Torne	sure, and i was intending to go through plugin/app code to put the appropriate align stuff on there
21:23:24	TheSeven	but in the end, that's an apps-layer issue, i'm wondering more about the ones that are coming from the core
21:23:26	Torne	buti don't think you can reasonably require it
21:23:35	TheSeven	and i think we should be able to get rid of the latter
21:23:52	Torne	oh, you mean the things in fat.c itself?
21:23:58	Torne	yeah, i was gonna do that, just haven't gotten around to it yet
21:24:05	Torne	was kinda hoping somoene else would do it before i got around to it ;0
21:24:07	TheSeven	fat.c, dir.c, disk.c and whereever they are hiding
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21:24:24	TheSeven	dir_uncached.c*
21:24:28	Torne	i only used dreamlayers' patch to do it for buffering.c
21:24:32	Torne	because he'd already written it ;)
21:24:46	FlynDice	midijunkie: Did you get your android build sorted out?
21:24:52	Torne	i guess it's more pressing for you
21:25:05	Torne	since dma is just a performance improvement on pp502x (and a pretty minor one in most cases at that)
21:25:42	TheSeven	currently the nand driver will copy those around, so it's also just a performance issue, and non-usb disk performance isn't really that important
21:26:02	Torne	well yes, but that's a different class of performance ;)
21:26:16	Torne	for small accesses when the cpu is idle there is literally no difference using dma on pp502x
21:26:19	TheSeven	it's still pretty fast compared to the actual flash access
21:26:29	Torne	only huge reads from buffering really benefit
21:26:39	midijunkie	FlynDice: No, not enough space on my wubi-ubuntu-installation on my netbook. rbx, sdk, nbk is too much :>
21:26:54	TheSeven	however I'm gonna cherrypick a bunch of code again for my new tool kernel, and i want to do it the right way from the start over there
21:26:59	midijunkie	+ all the tools
21:27:25	Torne	well, at some point i may poke them
21:27:33	Torne	but i'vebeen too busy to do any rb dev lately
21:27:33	FlynDice	too bad... I guess I can't help then...
21:27:59	midijunkie	and i would need to install eclipse~ smallest ide in the world
21:28:12	midijunkie	so, im going to wait
21:28:14	TheSeven	midijunkie: VS is significantly larger
21:28:30	midijunkie	im not that into it :>
21:28:50	TheSeven	that's like 10GB on disk, eclipse is really small compared to it :)
21:29:04	FlynDice	kugel has been posting .apk files so if you check the logs you can probably find one that will work for you.
21:29:11	TheSeven	Torne: and if i'm cleaning up that anyway, we should be able to apply those fixes also to rockbox
21:29:25	Torne	sounds like it'd be easier to do them first :)
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21:30:26	TheSeven	IIUC all accesses to the bpb and directories could be made through the file sector buffer instead of an additional one
21:30:28	midijunkie	kk - btw the rbx dev image ... cant svn checkout ... timeout on svn.rockbox.org but ping works
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21:30:39	TheSeven	so we wouldn't even need more static buffers or a sector pool for it
21:30:46	Torne	midijunkie: are you behind a proxy or similar?
21:31:03	Torne	the svn protocol uses a port that proxies often won't allow
21:31:54	Torne	it responds for me, so it's not down
21:32:28	midijunkie	svn works well on the same machine in windows.
21:32:46	Torne	oh.
21:33:02	midijunkie	but not in windows with the vm
21:33:14	midijunkie	maybe some windows-firewall-joke
21:33:29	TheSeven	how is the vm's networking configured? nat? bridged?
21:33:34	midijunkie	nat
21:33:36	Torne	i would assume it worked for whoever created the vm
21:33:43	Torne	since otherwise they would've noticed :)
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21:34:04	midijunkie	yeah, a few months ago it worked for me
21:34:15	TheSeven	have a look what the default gateway inside the vm is and if you can ping that
21:34:41	TheSeven	wait - you said pinging svn.rockbox.org from inside the vm works?
21:34:46	midijunkie	yes
21:34:48	TheSeven	that would be really weird.
21:34:57	midijunkie	a friend got the same problem
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21:35:15	Torne	i can only assume the host os is doing something stupid tbh :0
21:35:39	midijunkie	7 ~
21:35:42	TheSeven	try bridged then
21:35:58	TheSeven	the host has less influence on that
21:36:17	midijunkie	but even with a working vm i would need to install the android sdk/ndk
21:36:23	midijunkie	and configure it all
21:36:32	midijunkie	i think, im going to wait :)
21:36:51	TheSeven	oh, and check your environment variables and svn settings if it tries to use a proxy
21:37:21	TheSeven	ping would probably bypass that, so a nonexistant proxy could be the cause
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21:59:29	cd	Hello I try to start any music on RaaA (Galaxy S) but get an error: error accessing playlist control file. Anybody able to help?
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22:02:52	JohnML	I just want to say a BIG THANKYOU for rockbox !!! I just installed it on my Sandisk Sansaclip V2, works great !!
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22:06:59	CIA-6	New commit by bieber (r27737): Theme Editor: Restricted resizing/moving of graphical elements to integer coordinates
22:08:49	CIA-6	r27737 build result: All green
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22:16:02	Temik	Not working tags %Vb and %Vf, calling default wps
22:19:53	pixelma	yes, on the X5. It seems to have to do with the fact that the X5 can have %Vb and %Vf on target and remote but the depending on the screen, the following number is different - main screen is colour and needs a hexadecimal value, remote screen is greyscale and needs a single digit in the range 0-3 for a grey shade.
22:20:51	pixelma	Why I think it has to do with the different values is because this seems to work on the M5 which is like the X5 but also has a greyscale main screen
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22:21:09	pixelma	(tested in the simulator only though as I don't have a remote)
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23:39:13	pixelma	does someone know about BSD? Just asking because Temik mentioned problems building the simulator on it and suggested a fix. I don't know enough about it to say something though
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