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| 00:26:18 | soaa_ | kugel, any chance for an Android build for testing? ;) |
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| 00:29:56 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27748): Android port: The RockboxService introduction broke 1.5/1.6 compability. This should bring it back (heaviliy based on the example given in the Android ... |
| 00:31:14 | kugel | soaa_: screen resolution? |
| 00:31:28 | soaa_ | HVGA, same as your Legend. ;) |
| 00:31:33 | soaa_ | I have a Hero. |
| 00:31:43 | CIA-6 | r27748 build result: All green |
| 00:31:54 | soaa_ | (although, the Desire was just released with Telus yesterday... So tempting!) |
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| 00:33:08 | kugel | soaa_: with 2.1? |
| 00:33:17 | soaa_ | I have 2.2. |
| 00:33:48 | soaa_ | Though, apks for 2.1 should work on 2.2, right? |
| 00:34:08 | gevaerts | Is HVGA 400x360? |
| 00:35:17 | soaa_ | 480x360. |
| 00:35:28 | soaa_ | Minus the notification bar. |
| 00:35:35 | Bagder | 480x320 isn't it? |
| 00:35:43 | soaa_ | ... 320, my bad. |
| 00:35:59 | * | Bagder had no idea its named HVGA. Those names are all terrible |
| 00:36:07 | * | soaa_ just spent a long time at work. |
| 00:36:18 | gevaerts | VGA is 720x400! |
| 00:36:59 | soaa_ | It's not that bad. VGA is 640x480, so HVGA (half VGA) is 320x480, and QVGA (quarter) is 320x240. |
| 00:37:13 | soaa_ | It gets tricky when you have the letter X in there. And then you can't be sure anymore. |
| 00:37:16 | Bagder | it IS that bad |
| 00:37:25 | gevaerts | VGA is *not* 640x480 |
| 00:37:36 | gevaerts | It *can* be that, but it very often is something else |
| 00:37:53 | soaa_ | [Citation needed] |
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| 00:38:14 | scorche|sh | all of those names are horrid |
| 00:38:50 | kugel | soaa_: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox.apk |
| 00:38:54 | kugel | scorche: I agree |
| 00:38:58 | gevaerts | soaa_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Graphics_Array and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_compatible_text_mode |
| 00:41:43 | soaa_ | gevaerts, you just contradicted yourself. When we refer to VGA as a screen resolution, it's 640x480. When we refer to VGA as a graphics adapter, it could mean other resolutions. |
| 00:41:57 | soaa_ | Thanks, kugel. Testing right away/ |
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| 00:42:15 | gevaerts | soaa_: When we say we, do we mean I? |
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| 00:42:59 | Bagder | when I say "we" I mean the same "we" who never calls a resoluton for VGA either ;-) |
| 00:43:14 | gevaerts | "VGA resolution" means "A resolution that's achievable with a VGA card" |
| 00:43:26 | soaa_ | Not always. |
| 00:43:47 | gevaerts | Sure, but I could also say "bicycle" and claim I mean a tree |
| 00:44:05 | Bagder | like a larch? |
| 00:44:23 | gevaerts | Yes! |
| 00:44:41 | soaa_ | Wow, jeez, you're able to selectively ignore entire parts of an article you link to me in order to prove your point. |
| 00:44:43 | * | Bagder recognizes a tree from quite a far way away |
| 00:45:48 | gevaerts | soaa_: see the bit that starts with "The VGA specifications are as follows". Anything else is fluff |
| 00:46:42 | * | gevaerts didn't claim that that article was entirely accurate, he just linked to it to provide the citation that soaa_ wanted for the claim that VGA often is not 640x480 |
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| 00:47:04 | soaa_ | The part that interests us most now, since we're talking about screen resolutions, is the part that continues after "Standard graphics modes are:". |
| 00:48:12 | soaa_ | If you want to stick to your 1987 definition, that's fine. But you don't have to so stuck up to it in 2010, when a VGA screen on a phone always means 640x480. |
| 00:48:32 | gevaerts | Except that you don't *have* a VGA screen on a phone |
| 00:49:02 | soaa_ | Oops, http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond/specification.html |
| 00:49:30 | gevaerts | It's on the internet, used by a marketing department. It *must* be true! |
| 00:50:04 | soaa_ | Like I said, stick to your 1987 definition if you really desire so. |
| 00:50:37 | * | gevaerts lets soaa_ happily use his DVWFQKJVDJQCYQQEWSAGDGAGSQSVGA screen |
| 00:51:12 | soaa_ | But you're just being stuck up if you want to force your accepted definion on an entire community that refers to screen resolutions by their consistently marketed names, i.e. xda-developers. |
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| 00:52:21 | * | soaa_ lets gevaerts happily use his 1987 IBM PC. |
| 00:52:27 | Bagder | soaa_: in our community we really never use names, we use number x number |
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| 00:53:02 | Bagder | mostly I guess because our most used resolutions (thankfully) don't have names |
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| 00:53:26 | soaa_ | The Cowon D2 is QVGA. |
| 00:53:29 | * | soaa_ gets shot |
| 00:53:31 | Bagder | aaargh |
| 00:53:33 | pixelma | then you just have to live with the fact that half the people don't know what whateverVGA resolution basically is |
| 00:54:00 | * | Bagder has a D2 but didn't know the name of its resolution until just now |
| 00:54:39 | soaa_ | Well sorry for assuming kugel knows what HVGA is. It's written in Android documentation too, if I recall correctly. |
| 00:54:49 | Bagder | it is? |
| 00:54:55 | pixelma | and you always have to answer questions just to specify so that everyone knows what it is |
| 00:54:56 | soaa_ | Hold on, lemme pull up that page. |
| 00:55:10 | Bagder | I have an android phone with that resolution and I've not seen that name before |
| 00:55:24 | Bagder | but then again, I'm a bit clueless with the names |
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| 00:56:15 | soaa_ | http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html Here ya go. |
| 00:56:32 | Dahvid | Can someone help me? |
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| 00:57:33 | gevaerts | soaa_: the use of names like "FWQVGA" clearly shows that those are meant as a joke |
| 00:57:37 | kugel | soaa_: I think it's generally safer to assume that people don't know what the cryptic *VGA abbreviations mean :) |
| 00:57:50 | gevaerts | Dahvid: only if you ask a question |
| 00:58:07 | Dahvid | Rockbox installs a bootloader over the Apple one, right? |
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| 00:59:07 | soaa_ | kugel, thanks for the tip. ;) |
| 00:59:29 | Dahvid | My iPod is no longer recognized by iTunes, and the Rockbox bootloader is corrupt, is there a way to switch back to the Apple one, so that I may be able to restore? |
| 00:59:46 | gevaerts | Dahvid: which specific ipod is this? |
| 00:59:58 | Dahvid | iPod 5g |
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| 01:00:04 | Chronon | Dahvid: You should always be able to access Apple's Disk Mode |
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| 01:00:19 | Dahvid | I have put it in disk mode, but the same thing happens |
| 01:00:30 | Dahvid | Windows recognizes it, in device manager and in windows exolorer |
| 01:00:53 | Dahvid | If I try to access the disk, Windows freezes |
| 01:02:16 | Dahvid | I installed Rockbox using the automatic installer, and it worked fine for months. |
| 01:03:12 | Dahvid | The boot errors out with "file not found" |
| 01:03:30 | gevaerts | That sounds like serious disk corruption |
| 01:03:42 | n1s | Dahvid: sounds like corrupt partitions/filesystems |
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| 01:04:01 | Dahvid | Which, a restore should be able to fix? |
| 01:04:06 | n1s | maybe |
| 01:04:16 | n1s | if the disk isn't physically damaged |
| 01:04:56 | Dahvid | Why wouldnt iTunes recognize it? |
| 01:05:01 | Dahvid | Isn't that hardware-level? |
| 01:06:44 | gevaerts | no |
| 01:07:03 | gevaerts | If windows freezes if you try to access the disk, I'm not *that* surprised if itunes also misbehaves |
| 01:10:40 | Dahvid | So, is there a way to load the original Apple software? |
| 01:10:53 | Dahvid | Or was that overwritten? |
| 01:12:07 | gevaerts | hold the correct button while booting. The manual should say which one. However, if the Apple emergency disk mode doesn't work, that won't work properly either |
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| 01:12:40 | Dahvid | So, it's basically a lost cause. |
| 01:13:32 | gevaerts | Hard to say. Do you have access to a linux system? |
| 01:13:54 | gevaerts | Or a mac, possibly |
| 01:14:07 | gevaerts | If so, you could try http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore |
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| 01:15:31 | gevaerts | I think there's a reasonable chance that the disk is bad though |
| 01:15:57 | Dahvid | Ya, both. |
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| 01:16:29 | gevaerts | Maybe http://www.wikihow.com/Access-and-Run-Diagnostic-Tests-on-an-iPod-Video can be helpful as well |
| 01:18:27 | Dahvid | Thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 01:52:25 | Dahvid | Yayy.My iPod works again. :) |
| 01:52:54 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: may I bug you about the icons? :) |
| 01:53:53 | gevaerts | Dahvid: what did you end up doing? |
| 01:54:28 | Dahvid | Manual iPod Restore from that link.. |
| 01:55:06 | gevaerts | ok, so the filesystem and/or partition table were creatively messed up probably |
| 01:55:39 | Dahvid | Ya. Thanks for the help! |
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| 02:03:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r27749): Fix message output for make install and make fullinstall |
| 02:04:50 | CIA-6 | r27749 build result: All green |
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| 04:05:49 | JdGordon | kugel: ping? |
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| 04:14:20 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: When do you need them by? I kinda forgot this whole GSoC thing was winding up soon... |
| 04:16:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Another thing, is the 24x24 size inclusive of a transparent border? |
| 04:16:25 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: ^ |
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| 05:14:18 | Kilroy | Hi all |
| 05:14:49 | Kilroy | I've a problem :/ |
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| 05:15:07 | Kilroy | i bought a ipod mini |
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| 05:17:35 | Kilroy | and after some manipulation, i think i kill my microdrive |
| 05:17:52 | Kilroy | I've a picture when i turn it on |
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| 05:19:20 | Kilroy | a magsafe and two plug |
| 05:19:31 | Kilroy | I try to reset it |
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| 05:20:00 | Kilroy | i try to connect it to my computer |
| 05:20:35 | Kilroy | (my computer and itunes don't show it) |
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| 05:20:58 | Kilroy | so i don't know what i supose to do |
| 05:21:10 | Kilroy | so i'm here :) |
| 05:21:21 | Kilroy | (sory for my english, I'm french) |
| 05:21:44 | Kilroy | an idea? |
| 05:21:54 | Kilroy | sorry* |
| 05:22:42 | Kilroy | i think i broke im when i want to install rockbox in |
| 05:22:52 | Kilroy | it* |
| 05:23:14 | krazykit | installing rockbox wouldn't damage your drive |
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| 05:24:23 | Kilroy | yes i know, usualy no |
| 05:25:03 | Kilroy | so, if anybody know the ipod mini... |
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| 05:26:11 | krazykit | well, if it were ready to fail anyway, installing rockbox could have triggered it, but it's hardly rockbox's fault |
| 05:26:46 | krazykit | i don't know much about ipods, but should it turn out to be a drive failure, the ipod mini can use CF cards |
| 05:26:52 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MiniCF |
| 05:26:59 | Kilroy | i never say that |
| 05:27:21 | Kilroy | just i don't know where find people who can help me |
| 05:27:51 | Kilroy | so i'm here xD |
| 05:28:07 | Kilroy | yes, i think i'll try with a CF card |
| 05:30:13 | Kilroy | just, before to come apart my ipod, i want to try other things |
| 05:30:44 | krazykit | can you put it into emergency disk mode? the manual should have the key combination to do so |
| 05:30:56 | Kilroy | my camera read the CF card, so i'll try to format the mircodrive |
| 05:31:19 | Kilroy | emergency disk mode? i only heard about reset |
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| 05:31:24 | Kilroy | i search that |
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| 05:37:54 | krazykit | emergency disk mode should make it so your computer can read the drive, but if it still fails, then you very well may have a dead drive |
| 05:38:46 | krazykit | apparently there's a diagnostic mode too, so that may be of value |
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| 05:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | Kilroy: If you do chose to dissassemble your mini, *be carefull*, break the clickwheel ribbon and you'll regret it. |
| 05:40:57 | S_a_i_n_t | (it's *really* easy to break) |
| 05:41:20 | S_a_i_n_t | And not so easy to find a new one. |
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| 05:44:23 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: If I create a new project in the themeeditor, make sure the images I intend to use in the .wps are in the correct location (Backdrop.bmp is the example here) and type %X(Backdrop.bmp) in the .wps document...shouldn't the backdrop just kinda automagically appear in the preview pain? |
| 05:44:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm having some issues with that. |
| 05:44:44 | S_a_i_n_t | *pane |
| 05:45:44 | Kilroy | ok, thks for the advice |
| 05:45:56 | Kilroy | the diagnostic mode works |
| 05:46:06 | Kilroy | but the reset do nothing |
| 05:46:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I only seem to have luck working on existing projects, creating a project from scratch doesn't seem to be nearly as simple. |
| 05:46:19 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: ^ |
| 05:46:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Kilroy: Is there SMART data available in the Diagnostic Mode? |
| 05:47:11 | S_a_i_n_t | (I have no idea about the diagnostic mode for the Mini) |
| 05:48:24 | Kilroy | and wi've "smart dat" |
| 05:48:42 | Kilroy | and smart scan |
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| 06:09:17 | Kilroy | that doens't working :( |
| 06:09:41 | Kilroy | i think i'll dissassemble it |
| 06:11:06 | Kilroy | maybe a batterie problem |
| 06:11:47 | Kilroy | because i can't do some test, it ask me to charge it |
| 06:12:37 | Kilroy | and the power cable is plug... |
| 06:13:50 | Kilroy | thanks for the advice |
| 06:14:11 | Kilroy | good night |
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| 09:04:14 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Pingy-pingy-ping? |
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| 09:12:05 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Ping? |
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| 09:40:32 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27750): Update portugues-brasileiro translation, FS #11521 by Rodrigo Barretto |
| 09:42:39 | CIA-6 | r27750 build result: All green |
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| 10:01:47 | bertrik | Does the samsung yh820 have alarm functionality in hardware? |
| 10:02:29 | bertrik | It seems to use an RTC that supports it, but it's not enabled in the config file (there's a "TODO: ???" comment in it) |
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| 10:59:46 | pixelma | ah, r27749 looks like it could fix the weird output when building a sim that I saw recently. |
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| 11:02:44 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27751): Various minor fixes for Samsung YH* targets |
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| 11:05:00 | CIA-6 | r27751 build result: All green |
| 11:33:32 | pixelma | n1s: what do you think - should the "does the target have a radio" tag also appear in the theme tags section of the manual in non-radio target manuals? I'd think it would be helpful and a similar thing was done for the "does target have an RTC tag" |
| 11:33:59 | pixelma | and targets that don't have an RTC |
| 11:34:14 | n1s | yeah, that sounds like a good thing |
| 11:36:25 | pixelma | ok, I'll look into it later. There is also the "current screen" tag and the "play mode" that mention radio and have some more values on radio targets. Their descriptions mention the radio bit, I'm wondering what to do with those. |
| 11:37:08 | pixelma | Maybe keep the radio in their description and add a note that they don't have an effect on targets without radio? |
| 11:37:28 | n1s | yeah, i think that makes sense |
| 11:39:37 | pixelma | alright... something more to do. It's always "fun" how you get sidetracked when looking into something else actually :\ |
| 11:40:13 | n1s | yeah, so many things to do and just scratching the surface almost always brings up more |
| 11:44:11 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: pong |
| 11:44:49 | S_a_i_n_t | Don;t sppose you've had any luck narrowing down why the current Nano2G builds are borked? |
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| 11:51:38 | bertrik | borked how? |
| 11:55:16 | bertrik | hm, the ipod nano2g has quite a few drivers where the .c file does not seem to include its own header file, or where functions could be made static |
| 11:57:34 | S_a_i_n_t | bertrik: STkov NAND panics all over the place. |
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| 11:57:51 | S_a_i_n_t | It is basically (well, not basically, actually) impossible tyo use |
| 11:57:58 | S_a_i_n_t | *to |
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| 12:08:22 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: do you know which commit caused it to start happenig? |
| 12:09:52 | * | TheSeven suspects something has changed regarding storage idle callbacks |
| 12:10:01 | TheSeven | (or something called by them) |
| 12:10:16 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure which commit it was, no. |
| 12:10:29 | TheSeven | do you still know the range we narrowed it down to? |
| 12:10:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I haven't had the time to be able to weed it out with a binary search either. :/ |
| 12:11:07 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven; Someone on the tracker seemed to know an approximate range IIRC |
| 12:12:42 | TheSeven | [12:56] <TheSeven> the fs reports narrow it to r26850 - r27036 |
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| 12:37:46 | bertrik | There is some funky stuff going on with structs and typedefs in ftl-nano2g.c :) |
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| 12:40:07 | bertrik | struct ftl_vfl_cxt_type is declared as a named typedef, while struct ftl_cxt_type is declared as a direct struct (without typedef) which causes a completely unused struct to be instantiated |
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| 12:50:48 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27752): ipod nano 2g: make functions/variables static where possible, add missing #includes |
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| 12:51:19 | CIA-6 | r27752 build result: All green |
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| 12:52:12 | TheSeven | bertrik: look at ftl-target.h :D |
| 12:52:19 | TheSeven | that one's even worse |
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| 12:53:08 | TheSeven | i'll probably backport half a dozen ftl fixes rather soon |
| 12:56:16 | S_a_i_n_t | After that, I'll do a new build and see if it just so happens to be magically fixed. |
| 12:56:21 | S_a_i_n_t | (fingers crossed) |
| 12:56:46 | S_a_i_n_t | The current build panics after 10~15 seconds on all my Nano2Gs |
| 12:56:50 | bertrik | S_a_i_n_t, I doubt it will fix itself ... |
| 12:57:19 | bertrik | Does stkov say which stack overflowed? |
| 12:57:32 | S_a_i_n_t | bertrik: I was more hoping that something TheSeven or yourself does fixes it. |
| 12:57:40 | S_a_i_n_t | and, no. |
| 12:57:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...what am I talking about, yes. It does. |
| 12:58:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Stkov NAND |
| 12:58:18 | S_a_i_n_t | bertrik: ^ |
| 12:58:33 | * | TheSeven suspects the stack size will just need to be increased a bit |
| 12:58:59 | TheSeven | this is probably caused by a storage idle callback calling some settings saving function, which calls some fat functions that throw sector buffers on the stack |
| 12:59:19 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: I forgot where to increase those stacks, if you give me a hint on what to increase and where...I'll try it out and see if it helps any. |
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| 13:00:08 | TheSeven | increase the array size in the definition of nand_stack in target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/nand-nano2g.c |
| 13:00:29 | S_a_i_n_t | to what? |
| 13:00:49 | TheSeven | just add like 0x2000 first and check if the problems go away |
| 13:01:08 | TheSeven | if yes, decrease it until you notice trouble again |
| 13:01:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Sweet, I'll have a nosey shortly. |
| 13:01:58 | TheSeven | i'm still wondering who is responsible for that additional stack usage though |
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| 13:03:11 | S_a_i_n_t | It may just be a coincidence as I hadn't built in some weeks before the commit, but I made a build the day the new skin parser was committed and that was when I reported the Nano2G was unusable |
| 13:03:42 | kugel | bertrik: "#include "backlight-target.h"" wasn't needed, was it? backlight.h includes that already |
| 13:03:45 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't want to blame the parser though, just something I noticed. |
| 13:04:02 | kugel | also IIUC those *-target.h files should never be included directly |
| 13:04:24 | bertrik | kugel, I think it was |
| 13:04:45 | bertrik | _backlight_on and _backlight_off were not defined otherwise |
| 13:05:32 | kugel | as I said, backlight.h includes backlight-target.h |
| 13:06:24 | bertrik | well, something is fishy then |
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| 13:07:42 | kugel | oh wait, it doesn't |
| 13:17:16 | bertrik | If I understand correctly, the NAND stack has a size of DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE which should be just 0x400 bytes (1 kilobyte) |
| 13:17:33 | TheSeven | ...which should normally be sufficient |
| 13:18:08 | TheSeven | the nand thread usually needs only a few bytes, in the beginning i had set the stack to 32 words or something, since it was only watching for a timeout and powering down the chip |
| 13:18:37 | TheSeven | however as it's now calling the storage idle callback, it might be doing all hell of things |
| 13:18:42 | bertrik | ok, weird. Maybe the stack isn't really overflowing then, but rather corrupted by something else |
| 13:19:46 | TheSeven | it might be running through the whole settings and fat code and might end up in the ftl and nand driver again |
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| 13:21:10 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: I don't think the icons are terribly critical, the tiny ones are just weird |
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| 13:21:44 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: Sweet as, does the 24x24 size need a transparent border? |
| 13:21:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Or is that the full icon? |
| 13:22:45 | kugel | the current ones have no border afaics |
| 13:23:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I guess what I mean is, they won't be touching each other will they? unless someone has less that 24px font I guess. |
| 13:23:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I think a long list of icons touching each other looks crap. |
| 13:24:46 | kugel | they'll draw over each other but that hasn't been a problem so far |
| 13:26:13 | S_a_i_n_t | I shall start on them tomorrow, it won't take me too long I imaging...I'll borrow from the Tango! iconset again, as seems to be the "cabbie" style. |
| 13:26:39 | kugel | yes, sounds good |
| 13:27:56 | S_a_i_n_t | hehehe...your phone can load 320x240 WPS etc right? |
| 13:28:10 | * | S_a_i_n_t just finished the iLike WPS for the Video |
| 13:28:39 | S_a_i_n_t | iPod OF an an Android phone would look just plain wrong I imagine. |
| 13:28:52 | kugel | I'm not keen on trying it out |
| 13:29:20 | kugel | btw, you can configure the sdl app for 320x480 if you want to have a look |
| 13:30:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Sounds good, I literally haven't seen any of the RaaA port so far. |
| 13:30:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Narry a single screenshot. |
| 13:30:52 | kugel | I've posted some where a few days ago |
| 13:31:20 | kugel | http://imagebin.org/108278 http://imagebin.org/108279 http://imagebin.org/108280 |
| 13:31:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks man. |
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| 13:34:27 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: I guess you need a new "default" statusbar also? |
| 13:34:36 | S_a_i_n_t | That one looks *tiny* |
| 13:35:04 | S_a_i_n_t | The rest looks very good though. |
| 13:38:16 | kugel | I think it would be more useful to use *no* statusbar but reserve some space for the android statusbar actually |
| 13:39:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha. |
| 13:39:44 | S_a_i_n_t | %>cs conditional UI viewports should do the trick. |
| 13:39:50 | S_a_i_n_t | %?cs even |
| 13:47:29 | bertrik | hm, when I type "make dep" I see two lines (instead of one) saying "Generating dependencies" |
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| 14:18:46 | * | TheSeven throws a rock at the fat cache |
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| 14:25:14 | stripwax | TheSeven - is that because we're using the fat cache on nand targets? |
| 14:25:28 | TheSeven | more because of the way it's implemented |
| 14:25:36 | stripwax | ah ok |
| 14:25:47 | TheSeven | and because it has a fixed size for all targets |
| 14:25:58 | stripwax | is it necessary at all though, for flash targets? |
| 14:26:13 | TheSeven | having 32 sectors of fat cache on a flash lowmem target seems to be waste |
| 14:26:26 | TheSeven | a few sectors, yes, but not that much |
| 14:26:49 | TheSeven | we at least need one sector to prevent it from re-reading the same fat sector between each cluster read |
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| 14:27:28 | stripwax | hrm, for some reason I thought the ftl would do that caching |
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| 14:28:56 | TheSeven | nope |
| 14:29:38 | TheSeven | and most of our flash targets don't even have a software ftl |
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| 14:30:18 | TheSeven | [14:28] <TheSeven> nope |
| 14:30:18 | TheSeven | [14:29] <TheSeven> and most of our flash targets don't even have a software ftl |
| 14:30:34 | S_a_i_n_t | :-S |
| 14:31:10 | bieber | S_a_i_n_t: I _think_ your issue from last night has to do with SBS rendering |
| 14:31:38 | bieber | It looks like if you have an SBS and a WPS, and you haven't declared a Custom UI viewport in the SBS, the WPS won't render |
| 14:31:54 | bieber | I'm going to try and fix up all the SBS rendering code later today |
| 14:32:05 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Do you mean my issue with the backdrop? |
| 14:32:14 | bieber | Yeah |
| 14:32:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmm, yes...it's pretty weird. |
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| 14:32:53 | bieber | It is, but I shouldr have it fixed soon ;) |
| 14:33:05 | stripwax_ | ah right, of course. |
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| 14:33:59 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: I'm still using 27700, so there's a lot of things I'm not certain if you've fixed or not ;) |
| 14:34:12 | bieber | Oh, lol |
| 14:34:17 | bieber | Any other issues in particular? |
| 14:35:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm. If you click "Open Project" or "New Project" or whatever, the editor appears to be in a hard lock, but its fine...it just doesn't appear to update until the mouse is moved. |
| 14:35:34 | S_a_i_n_t | That's kinda weird. |
| 14:35:57 | S_a_i_n_t | And I manage to crash the thing all the time moving viewports, but, I *think* you fixed that. |
| 14:36:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Just not in a revision that I'm using. |
| 14:37:22 | bieber | Yeah, moving viewports was very unstable up until a couple days ago |
| 14:38:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm....what else....I find it really annoying that it messes up my formatting, but, that's kinda a non-issue. Newlines after comments s kinda annoying also. |
| 14:38:21 | S_a_i_n_t | this is all just very picky stuff though. |
| 14:38:35 | S_a_i_n_t | %ax always getting its own line is a bit odd too. |
| 14:38:53 | bieber | Newlines after comments are fixed, the rest of the formatting I'm afraid I can't really do anything about |
| 14:39:31 | S_a_i_n_t | I always use it as "%ax%V(blah blah)%Vf(blah)%Vb(blah)" |
| 14:41:02 | S_a_i_n_t | It still works fine of course, but I'm of the opinion that both %ax and the %Vf/b tags should be in the viewport declaration line. |
| 14:41:45 | S_a_i_n_t | (unless you want to use %Vf/b conditionally...pretty sure you can do that) |
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| 14:45:57 | byondo | hello! |
| 14:46:44 | byondo | kugel, are you here? |
| 14:46:54 | kugel | yes |
| 14:47:33 | byondo | firstly thank you for your great effort! |
| 14:48:10 | byondo | irc webclient is sooooo laggy...) |
| 14:48:47 | byondo | Ihave an Archos 5IT |
| 14:49:01 | byondo | it mounts android 1.6 |
| 14:49:55 | S_a_i_n_t | bah! more Nano2G PANICing... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25450.msg170268#msg170268 |
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| 14:51:40 | byondo | I tried to install the apk you linked for soaa_ just for curiosity |
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| 14:52:18 | byondo | and guess what? it worked :) |
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| 14:52:33 | kugel | nice :) |
| 14:53:52 | byondo | but it's a lower resolution than one's supported by the archos |
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| 14:58:44 | kugel | byondo: yes that's expected, we don't do multi screen resolution (yet) |
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| 15:04:00 | byondo | oh well...have to correct myself, it works "somewhat" |
| 15:04:42 | byondo | some times reproduction doesn't start |
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| 15:06:15 | byondo | don't know why, but it's only a plain dirty try, so I don't expect too much :) |
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| 15:08:02 | kugel | byondo: "reproduction doesn't start"? |
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| 15:10:41 | byondo | you open an mp3 file, wps appears, but music doesn't start |
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| 15:15:34 | kugel | strange |
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| 15:16:05 | simonrvn | i had a theme like that. didn't find out until i tested on OF, and moved my config. |
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| 15:16:36 | simonrvn | luckily just the one i made. now i gotta figure what in it made it do that. |
| 15:17:04 | simonrvn | press play, music doesn't start |
| 15:17:43 | simonrvn | only change there is is the status icon changes from stop to play/pause |
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| 15:31:32 | JdGordon | kugel: hey, where is the android specific code for loading codecs/plugins? |
| 15:32:00 | kugel | codecs.c and io.c |
| 15:32:36 | JdGordon | folder? |
| 15:33:02 | kugel | uisimulator/common/io.c |
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| 17:06:08 | * | TheSeven wonders if reentrant fat code really makes sense |
| 17:06:19 | TheSeven | wouldn't this cause unneccessary seeks? |
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| 17:07:41 | gevaerts | TheSeven: multiple drives? |
| 17:07:52 | TheSeven | oh, i forgot :) |
| 17:08:29 | * | TheSeven always wonders about things from an ipod's perspective :) |
| 17:11:01 | * | gevaerts steals TheSeven's collection of ipods |
| 17:21:22 | TheSeven | i only have two of them! |
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| 17:29:06 | Davide-NYC | I have a WebOS device. Is there any way for me to help with the RaaA project? I'm not a developer. |
| 17:29:13 | kugel | gevaerts: I think I just managed to make Rockbox more usable on these HTC phones with bugged firmware |
| 17:29:46 | Davide-NYC | kugel: Congratulation on getting sound working on Android! |
| 17:30:53 | gevaerts | kugel: nice! |
| 17:31:11 | kugel | gevaerts: I can't explain how, but I know run the pcm callback from a separate thread (it was previously called from the ui thread even though the docs say it's called from the thread which creates the AudioTrack object) |
| 17:31:23 | gevaerts | I don't know if I'll be able to test it soon though, I won't be at the same site as the HTC owner most of next week |
| 17:31:36 | kugel | and it appears the UI thread would be blocked for an activity if it's in the background but tries to get too much CPU |
| 17:32:16 | kugel | which leads to playback "just stops" for no reason |
| 17:32:32 | kugel | the separate thread makes it now recover even if it stutters sometimes |
| 17:33:20 | gevaerts | That's probably the 5% limit kicking in I'd guess |
| 17:33:25 | kugel | (my legend seems to have enough cpu to keep it playing at an acceptable level with this= |
| 17:33:33 | bertrik | sounds like a feature, not a bug :) |
| 17:34:11 | TheSeven | try ape :P |
| 17:34:17 | kugel | I'm bitter the docs are lying though |
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| 17:49:21 | kugel | Davide-NYC: I'm going to write up something which should help porting RaaA next week, if that's any help for you |
| 17:49:40 | kugel | but it'll still need a developer to do it |
| 17:50:28 | Davide-NYC | That is huge. Thank you. For what it's worth, I can compile code. I can apply patches and I can make trivial modifications to code. (trivial only) |
| 17:50:46 | Davide-NYC | If that's of any help feel free to ask me for it. |
| 17:51:14 | Davide-NYC | Testing and reporting is of course my pleasure. |
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| 17:53:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27753): Run the pcm callback from a separate OS thread, that seems to make audio playback ... |
| 17:53:39 | kugel | Davide-NYC: I'm afraid that's not enough |
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| 18:02:46 | * | TheSeven wonders how many and what kind of worms would be in the preemptive multitasking can... not that i'd want to open it, just wondering... |
| 18:03:03 | TheSeven | one is in the fat code for certain... |
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| 18:03:10 | gevaerts | Mainly locking, all over the place |
| 18:03:19 | pamaury | there are probably too many problems to list them |
| 18:04:00 | gevaerts | I don't think there's a single line of code in rockbox that was written with the thought that it might be run under a preemptive scheduler |
| 18:04:11 | TheSeven | i've seen dozens of places where locking wouldn't be needed for cooperative multitasking, but where it was done |
| 18:04:47 | pamaury | like ? |
| 18:05:04 | gevaerts | hm, right, there are some of those. I don't know if they are correct though |
| 18:05:17 | TheSeven | for example the fat cache |
| 18:05:23 | * | gevaerts thinks we shouldn't even consider preemptive multitasking as long as we have any other kind of stability issue |
| 18:05:28 | TheSeven | and that one certainly isn't correct |
| 18:06:06 | kugel | gevaerts: even worse, I think there are a couple dozen lines that are written under the assumption that they won't be interrupted without a yield call |
| 18:06:14 | pamaury | are you sure ? the storage code might yield and the fat reentered by another thread, except of the fat has a global lock, I can't remember |
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| 18:06:39 | gevaerts | kugel: yes, definitely |
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| 18:07:20 | kugel | I'm especially thinking about the codec/audio/buffering mixture |
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| 18:08:46 | TheSeven | so rockbox is running as a single thread scheduling its internal thread by itself on raaa to avoid that mess? |
| 18:09:20 | kugel | yea, exactly |
| 18:09:50 | kugel | on android, the whole app hosts 3-4 OS threads, 1 of them hosts all rockbox threads |
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| 18:11:17 | pamaury | the simulator runs at least two threads anyway, one for input & display I think, and perhaps another one for storage |
| 18:11:38 | kugel | IMO preemptive threads have no real advantage for rockbox as os, but the cooperative nature makes porting RaaA slightly more complicated |
| 18:12:31 | gevaerts | Yes, but I'd say that changing it will be a lot more effort than the extra work needed for RaaA on all platforms we'll eventually support |
| 18:13:05 | kugel | the sdl port shows how to do it even if preemptive os threads are the only possiblity |
| 18:13:43 | kugel | and each port should be able to use pth just fine |
| 18:13:55 | pamaury | the good thing is that you can always simulate cooperative threading with preemptive one |
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| 18:40:12 | * | TheSeven wonders why the rockbox fat code is hardwired to a maximum of 2 fats |
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| 18:44:10 | CIA-6 | New commit by kugel (r27754): A bit of cleanup. ... |
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| 18:45:26 | nesto1000 | Hi... anyone there? xD |
| 18:45:47 | CIA-6 | r27754 build result: All green |
| 18:46:37 | nesto1000 | Do any of you guys think that it would be possible to install rockbox on an itouch sometime in the future? |
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| 18:52:23 | gevaerts | Probably never natively (the way it's done on a regular ipod), because that would lose too much functionality |
| 18:53:12 | gevaerts | Maybe as an application, but that would require a jailbroken device (we suspect that Apple will *never* allow rockbox on the app store), and of course someone to do the actual porting work |
| 18:54:08 | TheSeven | ...and rockbox would *never* sign that hilarious iphone developer agreement :P |
| 18:55:26 | gevaerts | Right, our license is somewhat incompatible with that |
| 18:57:42 | kugel | gevaerts: I can now run top in a terminal emulator on the device while rockbox plays :) and it shows 13%-18% |
| 18:57:45 | kugel | cpu usage |
| 18:57:57 | kugel | I'm wondering why it's so high, it was lower :\ |
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| 18:58:24 | gevaerts | Does the thing adjust CPU frequency? |
| 18:58:41 | kugel | quite possibly |
| 18:59:23 | gevaerts | In that case, the CPU usage on its own doesn't say much |
| 18:59:56 | pamaury | TheSeven: it hardwires it to 2 because nobody has ever see a FAT filesystem with more than 2 FATS |
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| 19:01:19 | pamaury | in the fat doc from microsoft: |
| 19:01:23 | pamaury | The count of FAT data structures on the volume. This field should always contain the value 2 for any FAT volume of any type |
| 19:04:34 | nesto1000 | Dam... O well... |
| 19:05:01 | nesto1000 | Guess I'll just go jail break it if i can... :/ |
| 19:05:34 | kugel | gevaerts: ah I see, being attached to usb apparently disables frequency scaling |
| 19:05:52 | kugel | hooking it up to adb shell and top shows a lower value |
| 19:06:26 | * | kugel just got a call, his recent change works nicely :> |
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| 19:34:54 | wodz | do we need I2C driver in bootloader on coldfires? |
| 19:36:21 | wodz | as well as sound.c ? |
| 19:40:28 | bertrik | I guess we don't but I'm not very familiar with the coldfire targets |
| 19:41:49 | bertrik | IIRC, some coldfire bootloaders haven't been tested for a long time |
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| 19:42:58 | wodz | I know |
| 19:43:27 | wodz | and bootloader for H300 from svn is broken IFAIK |
| 19:44:24 | bertrik | I can't exactly remember the outcome of the discussion we had about this at devcon |
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| 20:15:42 | wodz | Am I correct that in order to move MPIO HD200 to unstable on frontpage I have to pull www from svn and than commit modification in index.t? |
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| 20:16:16 | gevaerts | There's another bit in www somewhere |
| 20:16:17 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 20:17:36 | gevaerts | wodz: in the main repository, tools/builds.pm |
| 20:17:53 | gevaerts | I suspect you want status 2, but that's really just an educated guess |
| 20:18:06 | wodz | ok thx |
| 20:18:58 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27755): www - move MPIO HD200 to unstable |
| 20:19:23 | wodz | may I ask to update webpage? |
| 20:19:38 | gevaerts | That's Zagor's or Bagder's job |
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| 20:41:20 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27757): HD200 - Use DMA transfers in lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect(). Gives 12-26% speedup. |
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| 21:43:50 | stripwax | anyone recall anything changing with db recently? I get a data abort upon committing database. only way out seems to be deleteing the database again via usb. |
| 21:44:15 | stripwax | in this "no database" state, I seem to be able to initialise the database; only to get the data abort again when it tries to commit it. |
| 21:44:40 | stripwax | would my database_tmp.tcd be useful for debugging anything? |
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| 21:47:51 | stripwax | wondering if i can just stick the files onto pc and run the sim .. |
| 21:51:33 | wodz | it should work (IIRC the reverse procedure was used on ams v2 when there was no sd writing support) |
| 21:52:50 | wodz | who is our 'art master'? |
| 21:58:43 | bertrik | stripwax, there was a bug fix recently in the database related to "recently added" entries |
| 21:59:17 | bertrik | but I guess you could just check the svn log of tagtree.c to get the full picture |
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| 21:59:56 | JennaKitten | Hey, how can I stop an ipod with rockbox from entering disk mode? it wont let me use the USB HID feature |
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| 22:00:23 | bertrik | tagcache.c I mean |
| 22:01:01 | stripwax | JennaKitten : - hold down the menu key on ipod while connecting to your pc |
| 22:01:21 | JennaKitten | Really? Its that simple? Cool Im gonna go try it |
| 22:01:40 | pixelma | that won't give you HID mode though |
| 22:01:41 | stripwax | yes, and I think it's described in The Manual |
| 22:02:02 | stripwax | pixelma - no, but it will stop it from entering disk mode. and from there you can then turn on HID mode |
| 22:02:18 | pixelma | how? |
| 22:03:02 | pixelma | JennaKitten: which build do you run exactly? |
| 22:03:20 | pixelma | which version |
| 22:03:36 | JennaKitten | I dont know, but allthat did was make it normal ipod mode |
| 22:03:40 | JennaKitten | how do I turn an ipod off? |
| 22:04:20 | wodz | JennaKitten: I don't want to sound rude but did You read the manual? |
| 22:04:23 | JennaKitten | yup |
| 22:04:56 | JennaKitten | there we go, i figured out how to turn it off |
| 22:05:07 | JennaKitten | holding menu didnt work |
| 22:05:14 | JennaKitten | oohh it did now! |
| 22:05:18 | JennaKitten | nope..it didnt |
| 22:05:28 | stripwax | JennaKitten - is rockbox actually running on your ipod? I meant to run rockbox first, on your ipod. and THEN hold menu and while menu is held down plug it into your pc |
| 22:05:40 | JennaKitten | okay ill try that now again |
| 22:05:45 | JennaKitten | how long do I hold it? |
| 22:05:58 | stripwax | until the pc recognises the device is attached |
| 22:06:11 | stripwax | you should also see a tiny little 'plug' icon on the rockbox statusbar on your ipod |
| 22:06:17 | stripwax | top left, if you have the default theme |
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| 22:06:39 | JennaKitten | its looking for a driveer |
| 22:07:07 | stripwax | click cancel, you should be fine |
| 22:07:22 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r27758): fix warrnings in test_core_jpeg.c and test_mem_jpeg.c |
| 22:07:24 | JennaKitten | ok its plugged in but how do i get the hid part to work |
| 22:07:38 | stripwax | JennaKitten - isn't that in The Manual? |
| 22:07:46 | JennaKitten | It only works when its in usb mode |
| 22:08:04 | pixelma | stripwax: I wouldn't know how to get to HID with Rockbox not in the USB screen... |
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| 22:08:57 | pixelma | there is/was a remote plugin but hasn't been maintained since the early beginnings of the HID driver |
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| 22:09:45 | JennaKitten | the plugin orks |
| 22:09:49 | JennaKitten | but its not the same |
| 22:09:50 | JennaKitten | works* |
| 22:10:07 | stripwax | pixelma - I thought Settings -> USB HID would do it? |
| 22:10:15 | JennaKitten | nope :( |
| 22:10:44 | stripwax | ah so HID only works when rockbox is in usb disk mode? |
| 22:10:49 | JennaKitten | Yes |
| 22:11:02 | gevaerts | HID works during a normal MSC connection, if it's enabled in the settings. "Charging only" mode enumerates as HID for technical reasons, but it never sends any HID events |
| 22:11:09 | JennaKitten | I have right now a nano 1st gen, but in the mail is a 4th gen classic monochrome and that should be here soon |
| 22:11:15 | pixelma | stripwax: no, that's for turning HID support off because some OSs didn't like USB composite devices which Rockbox is with HID and refuse to even establish a data connection |
| 22:11:15 | stripwax | gevaerts - oh! :-( |
| 22:12:16 | stripwax | JennaKitten - in that case, it seems like HID only works if you're also in disk mode. Why, out of interest, do you want to required rockbox to not be in disk mode for using HID? |
| 22:12:29 | JennaKitten | Because it uses the apple disk mode and doesnt work |
| 22:12:43 | pixelma | JennaKitten: if it is rebooting to disk mode on plug in while Rockbox is running, then you probably use a release build which had Rockbox USB turned off on the Ipods because of charging problems |
| 22:12:44 | JennaKitten | where everything is all black and white and stuff? |
| 22:12:55 | stripwax | JennaKitten - ehhhh no, I mean rockbox disk mode ..! |
| 22:13:02 | stripwax | plug it in WITHOUT the menu key :) |
| 22:13:04 | JennaKitten | yeah it doesnt enter that ever |
| 22:13:15 | JennaKitten | it enters apple's emergency disk mode |
| 22:13:19 | stripwax | rockbox is running first, and THEN plug it into your pc |
| 22:13:29 | stripwax | same as what you just did except DON'T press menu key |
| 22:13:36 | JennaKitten | I know thats what I always do |
| 22:13:39 | gevaerts | JennaKitten: run a current build. The 3.6 release still reboots to the Apple disk mode |
| 22:13:49 | JennaKitten | I installe it like a week ago :O |
| 22:13:52 | stripwax | JennaKitten - and then turn on HID |
| 22:14:09 | gevaerts | Yes, but you probably installed the latest *release* |
| 22:14:29 | stripwax | JennaKitten - 3.6 is a month or so old. we have current releases daily/even more often |
| 22:14:37 | JennaKitten | Oh wow! |
| 22:14:37 | stripwax | i mean current builds. |
| 22:14:55 | JennaKitten | do I still use the rockbox utility? |
| 22:14:57 | gevaerts | Have a look at System -> rockbox info. That should tell you which specific version you're running |
| 22:15:04 | stripwax | JennaKitten yep |
| 22:15:10 | pixelma | JennaKitten: what does main menu > System > Rockbox Info tell you in the "Version" part? |
| 22:15:24 | stripwax | JennaKitten - but before you install a different version; can you see if what I suggested works? |
| 22:15:32 | JennaKitten | What did you suggest |
| 22:15:55 | stripwax | as I understand it, you *want* to use HID, right? so boot into rockbox on your ipod, then plug it into your pc, then turn on HID on your ipod |
| 22:16:06 | stripwax | oh wait |
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| 22:16:25 | stripwax | ignore me, install a current build. |
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| 22:16:28 | gevaerts | stripwax: if this is 3.6, that won't work |
| 22:16:30 | JennaKitten | Im doing that now |
| 22:16:31 | stripwax | sorry, I'm an idiot. |
| 22:16:38 | wodz | I have everything up and running to display nice animation for charging and usb screen in HD200 bootloader. The only missing part are battery icons itself. This which I created look 'suboptimal' :-) |
| 22:16:54 | JennaKitten | You all should make it so you can easily customize the splash screen |
| 22:16:54 | stripwax | I misunderstood - thought the release/current thing was about plugging in usb while powered off; |
| 22:17:09 | stripwax | JennaKitten - it's really easy - just recompile! |
| 22:17:15 | pixelma | no, that would be a bootloader thing ;) |
| 22:17:25 | JennaKitten | Yeah....Im not that good |
| 22:17:57 | bluebrother | Rockbox Utility tells you how to install a current build if you install via the Quick Start tab |
| 22:18:04 | JennaKitten | Im doing it manually already |
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| 22:18:18 | wodz | I am looking for more skilled person with art stuff |
| 22:18:27 | bluebrother | maybe we should remove that hint again ... :o |
| 22:20:35 | JennaKitten | another idea, someone should make an ipod style theme exactly like the real ipod theme |
| 22:20:57 | * | TheSeven wonders in which file the endianness macros (htole32 etc.) are defined |
| 22:20:59 | gevaerts | (a) why? and (b) I think someone is working on one |
| 22:21:12 | JennaKitten | Just because it looks nice and the font is big and nice |
| 22:21:20 | JennaKitten | Most of the themes are so cluttered |
| 22:21:30 | stripwax | JennaKitten - there are several I think (or at least there were; recent wps changes probably make the old ones unloadable) |
| 22:21:40 | JennaKitten | okay i installed the latest build |
| 22:21:41 | JennaKitten | now what? |
| 22:21:59 | stripwax | disconnect; turn on rockbox; plug into pc |
| 22:22:07 | JennaKitten | it worked |
| 22:23:30 | JennaKitten | thanks a lot :D |
| 22:23:39 | JennaKitten | So do I do the same thing with the ipod im getting in the mail? |
| 22:23:53 | stripwax | should work fine |
| 22:24:14 | stripwax | obviously select a different build from rockbox utility .. the ipod 4g build .. |
| 22:24:19 | pixelma | you can install a current build with the Rockbox Utility as well on first install |
| 22:24:40 | JennaKitten | Okay cool. |
| 22:25:21 | JennaKitten | Does the line out on the dock still work? I dont want to spend 30 bucks on a custom cable and not have it work |
| 22:25:22 | wodz | isn't the theme which mimics apple called iLike? |
| 22:25:57 | TheSeven | urgh, system.h |
| 22:26:22 | stripwax | JennaKitten - it should work (you can enable/disable it easily from the rockbox Settings menu) |
| 22:26:46 | stripwax | TheSeven - could be worse ? |
| 22:26:59 | JennaKitten | okay cool. what about the apple remote? does that work? |
| 22:26:59 | TheSeven | i wouldn't have searched there... |
| 22:27:24 | stripwax | JennaKitten - check the compatibility chart on the wiki |
| 22:27:40 | JennaKitten | Ooooh they have one of those? |
| 22:28:12 | stripwax | (it should work fine but check anyway) |
| 22:28:45 | JennaKitten | umh...where is the chart? |
| 22:30:10 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 22:30:44 | stripwax | 'they', by the way, is more sort-of 'us'.. |
| 22:31:49 | JennaKitten | what does the "needs to be retested" mean |
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| 22:33:32 | stripwax | it means it hasn't been checked since a number of improvements were made to rockbox. if it worked before, it will (should) still work fine. if it didn't work previously, it may work now, but hasn't necessarily been tested by anyone who has one. |
| 22:34:18 | JennaKitten | Well apple designed the radio remote only to work on the nano and video...does that mean even with rockbox it still only works with those two? |
| 22:34:45 | h3po1 | JennaKitten: i'm not one of 'them' but i can say you're driving these poor guys crazy ^^ - they spend hours to put together these wiki pages and people don't care to read everything before asking |
| 22:34:53 | stripwax | the ipod radio remote apparently worked fine in Dec 2009, on an ipod video. i don't know anything about it well enough to know whether it works on other ipods |
| 22:35:05 | JennaKitten | hm....I wont risk it then |
| 22:35:12 | stripwax | it "might work fine" |
| 22:35:20 | stripwax | but without anybody testing it, we will never know ... |
| 22:35:22 | stripwax | :( |
| 22:35:28 | JennaKitten | hmm....I shall test it... |
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| 22:36:56 | JennaKitten | Oh my...ebay doesnt have much of them :O |
| 22:37:11 | * | stripwax thinks the ipod radio remote line should NOT be in the 'needs to be retested' section, given that the section applies to a code change in 2008.. |
| 22:39:57 | JennaKitten | this is cool because the nano battery is shot so now it can live on as a remote... |
| 22:43:50 | wodz | Ha! I figured out why MPIO isn't recognized on usb insertion from time to time. It is not enumerated correctly when battery is low (even if AC power is present). |
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| 22:47:48 | stripwax | bah. i copied my database*.tcd files to ipod simulator, and it worked fine. just seems to choke on-target. |
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| 22:50:00 | wodz | stripwax: Have You checked filesystem on the device? I had wide spectrum of unusual effects with corrupted filesystem |
| 22:50:28 | stripwax | wodz - mm, no, I haven't actually. good point.. |
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| 22:57:01 | CIA-6 | New commit by bluebrother (r27759): Support running NSIS from deployment script. ... |
| 22:58:44 | CIA-6 | r27759 build result: All green |
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| 23:00:10 | stripwax | wodz - apparently no filesystem problems. i'm baffled. |
| 23:00:50 | bertrik | stripwax, maybe toggling dircache make a difference (just guessing) |
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| 23:13:07 | stripwax | bertrik - seems to be ok in sim with/without dircache. |
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| 23:21:33 | stripwax | and doesn't seem to make a difference on target (crashes with/without dircache) |
| 23:21:47 | stripwax | data abort at 0004dxxx where xxx are some digits I've forgotten |
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