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00:29:48 | wodz | why in recording.c set_gain() always sets 0dB gain for right channel when global_settings.rec_source == AUDIO_SRC_MIC ??? |
00:30:45 | wodz | I know mic is considered mono device but setting different gains to channels needs special handling in codec driver this way |
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00:41:29 | wodz | fm screen is terribly broken in svn head |
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00:49:12 | JdGordon | its not all *that* bad... |
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00:52:05 | wodz | JdGordon: You mean this mess of stripes ? |
00:52:20 | JdGordon | what mess of stripes? |
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00:53:26 | wodz | whole fm screen is filled with stripes 8pix height |
00:54:24 | wodz | I thought it was my change to lcd_update() in mpio but fm screen is the only place with this effect |
00:55:25 | S_a_i_n_t | AlexP: and/or pixelma Re: Manual - Theme Tags, none of the touchscreen specific tags are listed. |
00:56:02 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: IS it possible to add a "Target has touchscreen <ture|false>" tag? |
00:56:05 | S_a_i_n_t | *IS |
00:56:12 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: how battery icon work is going? |
00:56:14 | S_a_i_n_t | gah..."Is" |
00:57:29 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: I have a few ideas on paper...but, nothing in pixels yet. I was considering starting to put some things together shortly. |
00:57:45 | wodz | ok. |
00:58:06 | wodz | hmm fm screen is not broken in sim only on device |
00:58:14 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: there is a patch for that.. the only reaosn it isnt in iss because it doesnt add it to the inbuilt statusbar |
00:58:52 | S_a_i_n_t | AlexP: and/or pixelma: I'll add a flyspray entry regarding the touchscreen tags missing from the manual. |
00:59:34 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Aha, I see...I just thought it would allow me to easily create a theme with slightly different layouts for touchscreen/no touchscreen |
00:59:44 | S_a_i_n_t | (useful for the targets that share screen sizes) |
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01:01:58 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: I'm petty sure I looked it up recently when you said it and they were in a D2 manual... |
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01:03:07 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: They're not in the Nano manual...are the theme tags listed in the manual target specific? |
01:03:15 | * | S_a_i_n_t didn't think so...but. |
01:03:18 | pixelma | they are |
01:03:34 | S_a_i_n_t | they are....what? |
01:03:40 | S_a_i_n_t | target specific? |
01:03:45 | pixelma | target or feature specific |
01:03:56 | S_a_i_n_t | That's pretty fucking stupid IMO |
01:04:06 | S_a_i_n_t | what if someone wants a complete list? |
01:04:39 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems that it is currently just not possible to find a *complete* list of theme tags...its stupid. |
01:06:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Can that be changed? The manual should have a full list of theme tags. |
01:07:01 | pixelma | what if someone wants to know what's possible on his target? I am actually for adding the complete list to all manuals maybe with an additional column showing a checkmark or so as the target specific part - that means a lot more work though which hasn't been done. Your language here doesn't give much motivation too and no solution |
01:08:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, I apologise...I just quite literally find it ridiculous that it is this way. It was a bit of a shock. |
01:09:47 | pixelma | what good would it bring to list e.g. the foreground/background tag options without comment? |
01:11:02 | * | S_a_i_n_t isn't sure he understands what you're trying to say there...did I suggest that? |
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01:12:36 | pixelma | if all tags are listed in all manuals then you need to add more info to it too than there is today, not only include everything unconditionally. |
01:15:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes. That's correct. |
01:15:26 | S_a_i_n_t | The info is already written, it just needs to be merged. |
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01:16:52 | stripwax | I think it would be confusing to see tags that only make sense on color bitmap devices showing up in the table for a mono charcell target's manual. |
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01:17:02 | n1s | wodz: on at least some targets the cpu is clocked to the lowest freq in the fm screen and afaik that's the only place we do that so maybe this causes your stripes? |
01:17:16 | stripwax | or at least require the reader to realise 'I don't even need to know what that means since it's not supported on this target'. |
01:17:17 | n1s | default freq being ~ 11MHz for coldfire |
01:17:47 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: I don't believe so...as long as there were clear examples. |
01:18:00 | S_a_i_n_t | There can't reallt be *that* many target specific tags. |
01:18:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *really |
01:18:15 | pixelma | did you mean stripwax? |
01:18:19 | stripwax | ? |
01:18:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, yes...I did indeed. |
01:19:01 | wodz | what does mean 'steps' field in sound_settings_info? Is it step size or number of steps? |
01:19:11 | stripwax | I think 'clear examples' might not mean much for my scenario above (does the manual need to give examples of color-bitmap-specific features on a non-color non-bitmap target?) |
01:19:53 | S_a_i_n_t | stripwax: Well...why not? You might not be looking at the tags specific to your target. |
01:19:57 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: there are quite a few - colours, greyshaded, bitmaps - the Player only progress bar, album art, backdrop, most RTC tags, most recording tags, most radio tags |
01:20:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Think of it from a themers POV |
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01:20:20 | S_a_i_n_t | The fact that there is *no* complete list of tags is a royal PITA |
01:20:21 | stripwax | S_a_i_n_t - the themer needs to know what tags are supported on a given target |
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01:20:43 | stripwax | otherwise the theme won't parse. |
01:20:43 | S_a_i_n_t | And, with some work...the manual coul represent that. |
01:21:12 | pixelma | stripwax: it would make much sense at least for targets sharing the same screen dimensions with another feature-wise different target |
01:21:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Well...either the manual or customWPS needs an overhaul...and to me the sensible choice is the manual. |
01:21:51 | S_a_i_n_t | As more people are aware that the manual exists |
01:22:20 | stripwax | maybe the manual should point out that it is a target-specific manual, and include a reference to customWPS [or something]. |
01:22:33 | pixelma | as I said earlier it would need to be clearly marked what is possible on your target |
01:22:42 | stripwax | all of the other sections of the manual are tailored for that target, specifically. |
01:23:15 | bieber | bluebrother: The value isn't exposed anywhere, other than when running make dist. So far I've been unsuccessful at getting it visible to my source code in any way, I think I'll probably just add a Help->About dialog and embed a $ Revision $ inside a string constant so I can strip away the formatting and display it |
01:23:46 | S_a_i_n_t | If the manual is going to link to customWPS (which I kinda find silly, but anyway) then customWPS needs a lot of work too. |
01:24:01 | S_a_i_n_t | missing tags/wrong syntax/etc |
01:24:29 | stripwax | I suppose it depends on whether we think the manual is a users-manual or a themers-manual ; [well, or both]. if we don't have a separate themers-manual [e.g. if customWPS is absolutely useless], anywhere, then the target-specific manual is as good a place as any. |
01:25:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I see the manual as being "official", and the wiki as "a rough guide"...to me it makes sense for all the tags possible to be listed in the manual, but just so you know I do understand your POV stripwax |
01:25:25 | stripwax | (and agreeing with pixelma's point about highlighting the target-supported-tags in some way) |
01:25:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, as do I. |
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01:26:19 | stripwax | serious question - what documentation is 'supposed' to be updated first to stay on the cutting edge of new developments? wiki or manual? |
01:26:30 | S_a_i_n_t | manual, IMO |
01:26:46 | pixelma | btw. using "unknown" to a specific target tags don't break the WPS afaik. Incorrect usage would though (e.g. greyshades or colours in %Vf/%Vb) |
01:27:08 | pixelma | I think the manual too |
01:27:43 | * | stripwax notices that neither the manual nor the PluginSlidingPuzzle page mention anything about albumart in the sliding puzzle or the ability to use the Sliding Puzzle as a bitmap viewer |
01:27:52 | pixelma | there once was an agreement in a DevCon discussion to move info from the wiki to the manual |
01:27:57 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: %Rp (has recording? y/n) for example, breaks the Nano2G (with no recording) |
01:28:18 | pixelma | I'd call that a bug then |
01:28:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...right. |
01:29:28 | pixelma | that one should work on all targets. I admit that I'm not sure if things are still the way they were in this regard though |
01:30:02 | S_a_i_n_t | The difference I see between the manual and the wiki is that basically anyone can get access to the wiki, and whether it is deliberate or not (I should hope it wouldn't be though...) add blatantly incorrect material/info to it. |
01:30:18 | S_a_i_n_t | The manual has a way higher chance of being both complete and correct. |
01:31:45 | S_a_i_n_t | If there is something I can do to assist creating a "master list" of theme tags to add to the manual...let me know. |
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01:36:17 | JdGord | Chmod +x in the user directory should work no? |
01:39:36 | kugel | JdGord: what is "the user directory"? |
01:40:03 | JdGord | The folder returned by get_files_directory |
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01:40:38 | JdGord | . /data/data/org.orckbox/files |
01:43:44 | JdGord | Maybe it never was working. That is where I had of working from on Sunday ;/ |
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01:59:44 | tmzt | JdGordon|: this on android? (the unix permissions issues) |
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02:00:16 | JdGordon| | yes |
02:00:39 | JdGordon| | I set it to 711 to be 100% sure its executable |
02:01:20 | tmzt | it might have something to do with who owns the file, that should be the uid of the program it's connected to |
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02:02:16 | JdGordon| | no, that looks correct |
02:02:26 | JdGordon| | or at least its the same as the surrounding folders |
02:03:12 | tmzt | do you have something in logcat telling you it's not loading? |
02:03:41 | tmzt | if so, please paste that |
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02:07:17 | JdGordon| | I do, but not here. Shouldnt have brought up the subject on the bus into work :) |
02:07:29 | kugel | JdGordon|: get_user_file_path() usually returns /sdcard/rockbox |
02:08:29 | tmzt | how is get_user_file_path() implemented on the android target? |
02:08:51 | kugel | look at the source :/ |
02:09:30 | JdGordon| | ah no, I meant the java getFilesDir() |
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03:28:59 | jthundley | I'm having a problem with my custom theme. I draw a progressbar onto the default viewport but my next viewport always covers it up even if it's visible stopping before the progressbar |
03:29:02 | jthundley | http://pastebin.com/rQJcUc8r |
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03:29:28 | jthundley | if you comment out the first viewport which is lines 31-35 the progressbar shows up fine |
03:29:53 | jthundley | *visibly |
03:30:24 | JdGordon| | you cannot put progressbars in the default viewport anymore |
03:30:46 | jthundley | well that would explain it, heh |
03:31:02 | jthundley | so here's point 2 then: I actually already made a corrected version of my theme where the progressbar is in its own viewport |
03:31:18 | jthundley | but whenever I press a button to turn on the backlight, there's a delay in the progressbar showing up |
03:31:28 | jthundley | that's ultimately what I'm trying to fix |
03:32:04 | JdGordon| | which target? |
03:33:21 | jthundley | sansa e200v2 |
03:34:13 | jthundley | the new theme looks like this: http://pastebin.com/jDbhMr7P |
03:34:27 | jthundley | and this progressbar lag doesn't really show up in the sim |
03:35:19 | JdGordon| | how much of a delya is therE? |
03:35:43 | JdGordon| | delay* |
03:36:18 | jthundley | like a half second or so |
03:36:46 | * | JdGordon| reminds self to make an arbitrary progress tag |
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03:37:24 | JdGordon| | create a bug on the tracker and attach the whole theme zip to it |
03:37:35 | jthundley | I'll make a little video of it real quick... |
03:37:36 | JdGordon| | after the lcd comes on it should update the bars immediatly |
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03:39:50 | jthundley | whoops I killed X |
03:43:01 | jthundley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LAfW8-BjjE |
03:43:41 | JdGordon| | hmm |
03:50:09 | * | S_a_i_n_t thinks it may have to do with the draw order. |
03:50:29 | S_a_i_n_t | A half second delay in an object loading in a skin is really nothing. |
03:50:38 | S_a_i_n_t | AA can take a second or so to appear. |
03:50:58 | jthundley | maybe I'm anal, but it bugs me |
03:50:58 | JdGordon| | aa is a bit different thoguh |
03:51:30 | S_a_i_n_t | jthundley: Try adding the progressbar right up the very top of the .wps file |
03:51:40 | jthundley | k |
03:51:43 | S_a_i_n_t | that way, it should be drawn before other objects in the skin. |
03:52:39 | S_a_i_n_t | The draw order is defined by the tags position in the skin file...it used to be all drawn in one lump at the end, but now the tags get drawn as they are hit. |
03:52:42 | S_a_i_n_t | (IIUC) |
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03:53:04 | JdGordon| | mostly correct |
03:53:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Woo...! Mostly! |
03:53:19 | JdGordon| | images used to be drawn in a lump at the end of each viewport |
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03:55:47 | jthundley | there's still a delay after moving the progressbar to the very top |
03:56:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmmm, guess there isn't much to be done about it then, sorry. |
03:57:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll have a look at your pastebin now just to see if anything else strikes me as odd. |
03:58:29 | jthundley | thanks, I think the theme is pretty straightforward |
03:58:38 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd be drawing the icons in their own viewports personally...perhaps that is having an effect on it, I really can't say. |
03:59:13 | jthundley | this is my third rockbox device :) and again I really have to say thank you to all of you, rockbox is the best thing since sliced bread |
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04:00:20 | jthundley | really? what's wrong with using the default viewport? |
04:00:39 | S_a_i_n_t | IMO its worth a try, try adding a viewport for each icon (I generally do this...I usually draw as little in the default viewport as possible). |
04:01:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Nothing's *wrong* with it per se, but I try to either draw in the default viewport alone, or in individual viewports. |
04:02:08 | S_a_i_n_t | I only use the default viewport for imahes if the images are static. |
04:02:47 | S_a_i_n_t | All your icons appear to be dynamic, so, it'd be worth a try drawing then in individual viewports. |
04:02:55 | S_a_i_n_t | *them |
04:04:17 | S_a_i_n_t | It's a really easy fix, just make a viewport that is the same dimensions as the icon, and change the %xl line's x,y coordinates for each image to 0,0 |
04:04:45 | S_a_i_n_t | You won't lose anything if it doesn't affect the draw delay. |
04:04:46 | jthundley | what about taking the lazy way out and putting all the icons in a full-screen viewport? |
04:05:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, then you would have overlapping viewports, and all your dynamic items will go all fucked up. |
04:05:37 | S_a_i_n_t | timers/scrolling lines/progressbar. |
04:05:39 | S_a_i_n_t | etc |
04:06:07 | jthundley | ok, I'll try that before submitting the bug |
04:09:01 | jthundley | great my keyboard just broke, this'll be fun |
04:10:02 | S_a_i_n_t | .....fun. :/ |
04:11:22 | S_a_i_n_t | 176x220.....what is that? Fuze? |
04:12:17 | jthundley | nah, e200 version 2 |
04:12:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I also notice you have a stop icon in your .wps....it's not doing any harm there, but you'll never see it. |
04:12:54 | jthundley | hey you're right, wtf. never have seen a stop icon |
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04:13:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Stop is never displayed. |
04:13:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Stop == "exit the WPS" |
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04:14:32 | S_a_i_n_t | jthundley: You should also change your volume icon line to read "%?pv<%xd(Ca)|%xd(Cb)|%xd(Cc)|%xd(Cd)|%xd(Ce)|%xd(Cf)|%xd(Cg)|%xd(Ch)|%xd(Ci)|%xd(Cj)|%xd(Cj)>" |
04:14:45 | S_a_i_n_t | If you want it to display a little more accurately. |
04:15:18 | jthundley | what did you change there? |
04:15:41 | S_a_i_n_t | The last two positions are for "line level" and "greater than line level", so if you're using a scale type volume icon, it looks better to merge the last two steps. |
04:15:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I just added the last image to the end of the line again. |
04:16:38 | S_a_i_n_t | in short: "it will look better if you have two %xd(Cj)'s " |
04:17:26 | S_a_i_n_t | otherwise %xd(Ci) will only represent a *tiny* portion of the volume scale (0dB only) and it looks weird. |
04:17:26 | jthundley | I can't say I understand it, but I'll throw it in :) |
04:17:27 | S_a_i_n_t | IMO |
04:17:49 | * | S_a_i_n_t tries to explain. |
04:18:13 | jthundley | oh you know what |
04:18:24 | jthundley | I get what you're trying to say, and actually I like it better this way |
04:18:33 | jthundley | because I like 0db being it's own distinctive icon |
04:18:45 | jthundley | because I always try to hav emy player at 0db |
04:18:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, right. I kinda assumed there. |
04:19:36 | jthundley | I mostly plug into cars, stereos, and headphones with their own volume dial |
04:20:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Usually people want to have a percentile type scale, like the same as the battery meter for example and get confuzed when the second to last icon only displays at 0dB instead of a range from x-to-y like the other icons. |
04:21:40 | jthundley | ahh |
04:22:24 | jthundley | so if I'm putting my icons into their own viewports, should I load them inside the viewports or before the viewport? |
04:23:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Doesn't matter really...just keep the %xk lines where they are, but change the x,y to 0,0 |
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04:23:12 | jthundley | right, ok |
04:23:15 | S_a_i_n_t | (assuming the viewports are the same dimensions as the icons |
04:23:18 | S_a_i_n_t | +) |
04:23:43 | S_a_i_n_t | gah "%xl" rather, not %xk |
04:24:11 | jthundley | I knew what you meant ;) |
04:32:42 | jthundley | progressbar still lags ;_; |
04:34:26 | jthundley | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11529 there's my bug |
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04:36:11 | chrisb | can i format an sd drive to ext2 with rockbox? |
04:36:43 | jthundley | no, it only supports fat |
04:36:46 | chrisb | the musicbrainz filenames often fail in fat |
04:36:57 | chrisb | jthundley: thanks |
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04:37:28 | chrisb | can rockbox read ext2? if i format the sd someplace else? |
04:37:29 | jthundley | tell me about it, fat mangles filenames |
04:37:45 | saratoga | FAT/32 only |
04:38:06 | jthundley | I'm pretty sure they it only supports fat. I read in that the faq once, they don't ever want to support other filesystems |
04:39:23 | chrisb | ok, that's practical |
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04:50:28 | jthundley | I just pruned that stop icon out, weird that stop is the first position for %mp and required |
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04:50:47 | jthundley | but that's still a little memory saved |
04:51:18 | S_a_i_n_t | jthundley: it can be used in the .sbs also, so it makes sense to have it there. |
04:51:59 | S_a_i_n_t | You can actually see the stop icon in the .sbs, but as soon as playback stops the players drops back to the menu so you never get a chance to see it in the .wps |
04:52:30 | jthundley | refresh my memory, what's sbs for again? is that recording? |
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04:53:13 | S_a_i_n_t | It can be...the .sbs is a skin for *every* area. |
04:53:23 | jthundley | oh ok |
04:53:25 | S_a_i_n_t | except some of the dubug screens IIRC |
04:53:53 | S_a_i_n_t | If you really wanted to, you could create a theme solely from an .sbs file. |
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04:55:27 | S_a_i_n_t | The .sbs can do almost anything a .wps, .rwps, .fms, etc can do...the only limitation would be that you could only use one backdrop. |
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04:55:43 | jthundley | right I remember now, it's like the base theme |
04:55:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Correct. |
04:56:14 | jthundley | well I'm outta here, thanks for all the help S_a_i_n_t, I'll see you around :) |
04:56:21 | S_a_i_n_t | o/ |
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05:53:23 | jouhou | I mispelled the name of a theme when uploading it to themes.rockbox.org. is there a way I can edit the submission or is that only possible by the site admin? |
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06:01:38 | JdGordon| | yeah, I hink you need to reupload it and then report the old one for deletion |
06:02:45 | jouhou | I don't see a "contact" email anywhere on the theme site. do you know who I would need to talk to, for its deletion? |
06:03:40 | JdGordon| | each theme has a area to report it |
06:03:57 | jouhou | ah I see, thanks |
06:04:10 | JdGordon| | which theme? |
06:04:33 | delt | JdGordon|: your theme any good (link)? |
06:04:33 | jouhou | under the Clip+, currently its spelled YellowBaryDynamic-Larger |
06:04:44 | jouhou | Bary should just be Bar |
06:04:51 | delt | might be yellow bar (wild guess) |
06:04:54 | jouhou | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=984&target=sansaclipplus |
06:05:11 | JdGordon| | delt: ? |
06:05:37 | delt | JdGordon|: just wanted to see what it looks like =) |
06:05:39 | JdGordon| | jouhou: arg, I cant remember my password to get into the admin section.. someone will fix it soonish |
06:05:55 | JdGordon| | delt: I have no idea what you're talking about |
06:07:20 | delt | JdGordon|: oh duh.... swapped the usernames, was kind of absent minded |
06:07:34 | delt | jouhou: your theme any good (link)? |
06:08:24 | jouhou | I wouldn't have shared it if I thought it wasn't good! http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=984&target=sansaclipplus |
06:11:08 | JdGordon| | thats an odd thing to say :) |
06:11:20 | JdGordon| | plenty of shitty themes on the site |
06:11:41 | * | JdGordon| can say that because he is pretty sure he has the worst one online |
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06:14:42 | delt | anyway, seems the "barY" typo is fixed |
06:14:59 | delt | the clip has a 128x64 screen?? |
06:15:59 | jouhou | i think its 128x66 |
06:16:23 | delt | oh yeah sry my bad |
06:16:38 | jouhou | lines 0-15 are yellow. 16-the_last are blue |
06:17:32 | delt | oh yeah, i remember that... but i thought it was an older player |
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06:18:34 | delt | <−−- needs to go shopping for a microSD card (which will spend most of its time in the sansa e260, hehe) |
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06:58:53 | chrisb | delt: newegg? |
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07:03:09 | S_a_i_n_t | It kinda is only 128x64...2px are completely useless in the height parameter. |
07:03:25 | S_a_i_n_t | (2 rows ow black between yellow/black) |
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07:08:46 | delt | chrisb: how do you know i laid an egg?? |
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07:19:34 | chrisb | delt: newegg.com sells cheap microSD |
07:21:07 | delt | chrisb: OHHHHH sorry, and ... thanks! :D :D |
07:21:31 | delt | taking a look now..... |
07:22:17 | delt | newegg.com's website would be something like www.newegg.com ...right? :D jk |
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08:50:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Has anyone used/is anyone using "FS #8961 - Anti-Aliased Fonts"? |
08:50:20 | S_a_i_n_t | If so, thoughts? |
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08:57:32 | wodz | ha, I am pretty close to fully support wm8750 nifty features :-) |
08:58:18 | S_a_i_n_t | "nifty features"? |
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08:58:53 | wodz | Automatic Level Control, Noise Gate, 3D Enhancement |
08:59:24 | wodz | selectable bass and treble cutoff filters |
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09:02:36 | wodz | The only drawback of my changes is that nasty hissing noise issue come back again on MPIO. |
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10:17:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I notice that issangons "experimental" build for the Clip includes a 24 band EQ, which sounds truly awesome...I have tried to contact him via instant message through the forums, but to no avail. The patch is listed in his initial post describing the build, but the FS# is "FS#_____24_Band_EQ" (or similar) ans I simply *cannot* find it or anything like it on the tracker... |
10:17:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Does anyone happen to have this patch? |
10:17:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, know how I can implement the same thing by hand? |
10:18:38 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: there are only three unnumbered patches in there, in quite different area. Download the source, revert all known patches, and diff |
10:19:07 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: Thanks...I was afraid I'd have to do that ;) |
10:19:23 | gevaerts | Or just ask in the thread :) |
10:19:54 | S_a_i_n_t | He hasn't been active since the middle of last month. |
10:21:52 | S_a_i_n_t | And, there's actually *four* unnumbered patches in there... :P |
10:22:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Uuuuuuurrrrgh...reverting all those patches by hand will be fucking painful. |
10:22:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't want it *that* badly. |
10:23:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, maybe I do...but not tonight, that's for sure. |
10:24:03 | wodz | look at driver file first |
10:25:29 | JdGordon | isnt that a 24band software eq? |
10:25:54 | JdGordon | should be easy enough to figure out whats changed for it |
10:26:14 | wodz | that's why I pointed to driver file itself |
10:26:27 | wodz | I doubt it is done in hardware |
10:26:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps...but it'd take me a million years to DL the source. |
10:26:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Still haven't got my ADSL back :/ |
10:26:41 | JdGordon | I was thinking the dsp code |
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10:30:19 | wodz | I found out what makes this irritating noise on MPIO but wm8750 datasheet is not very verbose about this setting and moreover OF doesn't seem to change this register |
10:31:19 | pixelma | JdGordon: fwiw, I also saw some weirdness in progressbar with my theme but before reporting I wanted to check if it happens in others too. Upon entering you can see the correctly "filled" progressbar shortly, then it "empties" for half a second or so until it gets drawn correctly again. This is with the built-in progressbar and it is in an own viewport IIRC |
10:31:41 | pixelma | in progressbar drawing |
10:31:43 | wodz | The setting is called analog bias optimization |
10:32:31 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok... tell android to start cooperating and I'll get back to the skin bugs :) |
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10:54:25 | * | JdGordon needs to rockbox artwork done |
10:54:40 | JdGordon | a couple of logos |
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11:03:28 | wodz | hmm, setting bias optimization for 1.8V produces distorted sound :-/ |
11:09:04 | JdGordon | does anything actually use ROCKBOX_BINARY_PATH or ROCKBOX_*_PATH ? |
11:10:00 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Logos for what? |
11:10:24 | JdGordon | the start screen for android (assuming I get my way :) ) |
11:10:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha. |
11:11:32 | JdGordon | right now the first time it loads you get a "Do you want to download files" splash on a very boring black screen |
11:13:05 | JdGordon | anyone want to test my RaaAoA? |
11:13:41 | JdGordon | codec failures :/ |
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11:32:13 | JdGordon | codecs loading :) |
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11:37:36 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11525#comment36643 is more what I tihnk the rockbox apk should do |
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12:24:28 | wodz | hmm I defined HAVE_NOISY_IDLE_MODE in mpiohd200.h in order to prevent entering cpu_idle_mode in fm screen but screen corruption is still present. Moreover I have animated battery icon working perfectly in bootloader with cpu_idle_mode(true) |
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12:29:32 | wodz | JdGordon: any hints? |
12:30:44 | JdGordon | nup. I know fm screen is broken.. I'll get onto it before the weekend hopefully |
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12:32:37 | wodz | ok confirmation that fm screen is known to be broken is enough for me now. |
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12:40:51 | Erwan2 | *test* |
12:43:02 | Erwan2 | Hi, since yesterday i'm trying to build rockbox for an ipod nano 2g, using cygwin, i'm new to code and sources and all these things, i ran rockboxdec.sh but now i'm lost, what sould i do to get the build i have to put on the ipod? I keep looking in the wikis but i don't get it.. |
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13:07:26 | Erwan2 | Hi, since yesterday i'm trying to build rockbox for an ipod nano 2g, using cygwin, i'm new to code and sources and all these things, i ran rockboxdec.sh but now i'm lost, what sould i do to get the build i have to put on the ipod? I keep looking in the wikis but i don't get it.. |
13:08:55 | pixelma | which wiki pages do you follow? |
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13:12:54 | JdGordon | hey kugel, have you seen 11525? |
13:13:03 | kugel | yes |
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13:14:17 | JdGordon | thoughts? |
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13:16:10 | JdGordon | I'm failing miserably at restarting the service if it detects an updated rockbox.zip :( |
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13:18:12 | wodz | kugel: about Your suggestion with wakeup_wait() and wakeup_signal() it is sligtly slower than busy-yelding at least on coldfire. |
13:21:17 | kugel | wakeup_wait() is not about speed, but about thread scheduling, the thread that calls will not be scheduled for running which means the other threads run more. I'm surprised though it's slightly slower, by how much? |
13:22:39 | wodz | bus-yelding 1/1:1122.5fps 1/4:3847.5fps wakeup_wait 1/1:1120fps 1/4: 3647fps |
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13:26:37 | kugel | wodz: ah, so still amazingly fast :) |
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13:38:54 | n1s | wodz: did you see my comment about cpu idöing in the radio screen, that might be related to your display problem |
13:39:09 | wodz | n1s: I tested this |
13:40:03 | n1s | did it make a difference? |
13:40:14 | wodz | I defined HAVE_NOISY_IDLE_MODE so entering cpu_idle_mode is turned off and this makes no difference |
13:40:42 | wodz | moreover I have battery icon animation in bootloader working perfectly ok with cpu_idle_mode(true) |
13:41:15 | n1s | ah, ok |
13:42:55 | wodz | hmm I need someone with gigabeatfx and mrobe100 to test my work on wm8751.c driver file |
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13:46:33 | pamaury | wodz: I have a mrobe100 at home, I can test tonight, what should I test ? |
13:48:43 | wodz | pamaury: cool - I'll post patch to FS. You should test 1) general playback 2) sound settings like treble, bass |
13:49:49 | wodz | pamaury: Generally I changed driver internal logic a bit to support some features of wm8750 which shares the same driver file. It is possible I missed something. |
13:50:31 | pamaury | ok, I'll see if I hear something strange, and tomorrow I'll bring it with me |
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14:07:54 | preetyboyswag | hey people i read that rockbox is workin on phillips go gear is that true ? |
14:08:46 | Torne | there is a list of supported players on th efront page, and a link to a detailed list of the status of each |
14:09:14 | preetyboyswag | yeah the status is already done but i cant find the rockbox.m1f file or how its call it |
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14:10:07 | Torne | which model? |
14:10:32 | preetyboyswag | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GoGearSA9200info |
14:11:49 | adnn | Hi, I have a problem with lrc player on Sansa Clip+ |
14:12:51 | adnn | The Lyrics scrools down automaticly but i want scrool down it manually |
14:13:37 | adnn | because the lyrics arent time tagged so the voice and lyric is different |
14:14:25 | Torne | preetyboyswag: "Please note that Rockbox is NOT ready for everyday use on the GoGear SA9200. It is still only meant for developers and testers. " |
14:14:44 | Torne | preetyboyswag: it's assumed that if you are able to install and use it, you are smart enough to compile rockbox yourself |
14:14:59 | preetyboyswag | so i need to use linux to create it |
14:15:41 | Torne | Linux, or vmware, or cygwin |
14:15:48 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform <- is probably preferred if you are a windows user |
14:16:05 | adnn | Can you add manual scrooling down to lrc player |
14:16:06 | Torne | hm, though that environment is out of date, i think |
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14:16:40 | Torne | not sure if there's a newer one. |
14:17:16 | Torne | adnn: ..that's not really a lrc file if it doesn't have the time tags |
14:17:28 | Torne | that's just a textfile that happens to have the lyrics in, no? |
14:17:42 | Torne | view it in the text viewer if you want to just read the contents.. |
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14:19:15 | preetyboyswag | thx for the help torne well i bought a new gogear today ariza with 8gb so i try to my get it to work on it , it looks not so hard |
14:19:30 | preetyboyswag | i think you just need a lot of time to make it |
14:20:02 | Torne | preetyboyswag: setting up the environment (vmware or cygwin) might take a little while but you only have to do it once |
14:20:07 | Torne | doing an actual build takes <10 minutes |
14:23:45 | preetyboyswag | is there some tutorials for beginners ? |
14:23:56 | preetyboyswag | i would really like to learn how to do ports |
14:24:34 | Torne | the wiki has documentation on how to set up a build environment and do a build |
14:24:56 | Torne | actually doing a rockbox port requires a large amount of specialist programming knowledge.. |
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14:25:37 | adnn | And i want to ask a question about pictureflow i have 20 album with covers but the picture flow shows 2 of covers. |
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14:26:44 | adnn | Do i do something wrong? |
14:27:26 | Torne | do the covers show up when you play the tracks? |
14:27:36 | Torne | anything that displays in the WPS should show up in pictureflow as well |
14:27:47 | Torne | i fit doesn't show up in either you have probably not named the files correctly; see the manual |
14:28:41 | adnn | the covers are tagged into mp3 files. |
14:28:54 | Torne | rockbox doesn't read embedded cover art |
14:28:57 | Torne | at all |
14:29:02 | Torne | nobody hsa implemented it yet |
14:29:14 | Torne | they need to be separate files, named according to one of the schemes listed in the manual |
14:30:51 | adnn | Should i put the jpg artworks in album folder? |
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14:35:08 | Torne | adnn: look in the manual for a different player to see where the album art goes |
14:35:31 | Torne | unfortunately because the clip+ can't display album art on the WPS, it doesn't have the information about how to put album art on there, even though pictureflow uses it :( |
14:35:51 | Torne | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x17-384000B.20 |
14:36:09 | Torne | there's the info, from ipodvideo's manual |
14:36:32 | * | Torne raises a bug for that |
14:36:56 | adnn | thank you i'll lok it |
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14:46:43 | wodz | pamaury: The patch is in FS #11531 - thanks |
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15:15:02 | preetyboyswag | thx for the help torne but i stll gonna request help here becouse i am not to in into the scriptin stuff |
15:15:53 | Torne | what? |
15:16:37 | Torne | all you have to do is follow simple instructions.. |
15:16:39 | Torne | there's no "scripting" |
15:17:13 | Torne | precompiled builds will be made when the people doing the port think it's worthwhile, i.e. when end users can reasonably expect to be able to use it somewhat |
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15:20:45 | preetyboyswag | sure i know that but , i got a gogear but its the new one from 2010 its there i way i can find out if this workin with build |
15:20:51 | preetyboyswag | from rockbox |
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15:23:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Rockbox does not provide builds for your player. |
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15:23:40 | S_a_i_n_t | If you want to use Rockbox with your player, if there is a port for it, you will need to compile it yourself. |
15:24:14 | preetyboyswag | thats what torne told me there is a port for the old player version of mine |
15:24:21 | preetyboyswag | and i dont know if its workin with mine |
15:24:42 | S_a_i_n_t | If there is not a port for your specific version...then no, it won't. |
15:25:09 | preetyboyswag | alright so somebody would need to port it again |
15:25:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, and noone will do the work just because somebody wants it to happen. |
15:25:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Developers work on specific ports because it interests them. |
15:26:01 | S_a_i_n_t | And they do it in their free time. |
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15:26:54 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: there is a port, but it's not built by the build system |
15:26:55 | Torne | because it's not done |
15:26:57 | preetyboyswag | ok |
15:27:06 | Torne | assuming it actually is the device he linked to earlier |
15:29:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Wiki says "Port Status: 0%" ;) |
15:30:20 | Torne | ..where? |
15:30:29 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GoGearSA2920 |
15:30:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...ooops |
15:30:50 | S_a_i_n_t | I see what I did there |
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15:36:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, there is indeed a port...but the "Please note that Rockbox is NOT ready for everyday use on the GoGear SA9200. It is still only meant for developers and testers." makes me believe that it isn't fit for this particular user. |
15:36:17 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27766): Accept FS #11523 by Fred Bauer - fix a bug where the skin fonts dont check the correct path so it would load the same font twice when it shouldnt. |
15:37:25 | S_a_i_n_t | That wiki page also hasn't seen any love for a long time, so, I'd be prepared to say that the port is stalled. |
15:38:03 | CIA-9 | r27766 build result: All green |
15:39:50 | preetyboyswag | thats what i mean |
15:39:53 | preetyboyswag | its green |
15:40:00 | preetyboyswag | but thx for the help guys :) |
15:40:15 | S_a_i_n_t | "Please note that Rockbox is NOT ready for everyday use on the GoGear SA9200. It is still only meant for developers and testers." |
15:40:29 | * | JdGordon thanks pixelma for the very curios remote not updating bug :) |
15:42:05 | JdGordon | pixelma: do you know if that is the wps only? or the sbs also |
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15:42:50 | gevaerts | preetyboyswag: if your gogear is from 2010, are you *sure* it's the SA9200? |
15:43:27 | * | S_a_i_n_t assumed "from 2010" meant "I purchased it in 2010" |
15:43:56 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: "its the new one from 2010" |
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15:51:16 | krabador^^ | what about develop on archos av3xx? |
15:51:33 | wodz | gevaerts: could You test FS #11531 on gigabeatf ? |
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15:52:13 | gevaerts | wodz: I can do that tonight. Anything specific to look out for? |
15:53:11 | S_a_i_n_t | krabador^^: Have a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/NewPort |
15:53:33 | S_a_i_n_t | and possibly here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/PortingHowTo |
15:54:18 | wodz | gevaerts: 1) general playback 2) sound settings supported by hardware like bass, trebles. |
15:54:32 | kugel | wodz: you can comma separate targets in *.lang |
15:54:49 | wodz | kugel: good to know |
15:54:58 | gevaerts | wodz: I can test general playback. I can try bass and treble, but last time I tried testing that for someone, I found that my ears aren't good enough |
15:55:06 | kugel | and IIRC langtool can update the target in all languages for you |
15:56:44 | wodz | gevaerts: I changed internal driver logic - from functional point of view it should be just as was before (the only thing added is bass cutoff and treble cutoff settings which defaults to the values used before) |
15:56:50 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27767): Fix FS #11527 - remote wps/sbs doesnt update correctly |
15:57:27 | preetyboyswag | @gevaerts |
15:57:32 | preetyboyswag | its the newest Go Gear |
15:57:36 | preetyboyswag | but i think its in the list |
15:57:41 | preetyboyswag | of compability |
15:57:49 | gevaerts | preetyboyswag: I'm *sure* it has a model number |
15:57:59 | preetyboyswag | let me see |
15:58:27 | CIA-9 | r27767 build result: All green |
15:59:01 | preetyboyswag | SA1ARA16K/02 Philips GoGear Ariaz |
15:59:19 | S_a_i_n_t | There is no port for that device |
15:59:31 | wodz | so why do You assume it is SA9200? |
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16:00:17 | preetyboyswag | i am sorry first i think it whos SA2985 becouse of the go gear model |
16:00:18 | preetyboyswag | but its totaly different |
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16:00:23 | preetyboyswag | so i am sorry |
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16:06:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Why do the forums have two seperate places to log in on the main page? |
16:07:07 | * | S_a_i_n_t sees the "login button" and a "login panel" down the very bottom. |
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16:10:46 | JdGordon | mc2739: ping |
16:15:05 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27768): Fix FS #11526 - %Vf(<hex>) was acceptable on grey remotes with colour main |
16:17:05 | CIA-9 | r27768 build result: 4 errors, 17 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
16:22:15 | JdGordon | anyone know if there is a #define for the databse tool? |
16:22:20 | JdGordon | __PC_TOOL__ isnt good enough |
16:22:28 | JdGordon | __PCTOOL__ even |
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16:25:59 | freddyb | JdGordon: Thanks |
16:26:19 | JdGordon | no worries. thank you :) |
16:26:57 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27769): fid red/yellow... does database really need to compile all of misc.c? |
16:28:45 | CIA-9 | r27769 build result: 120 errors, 17 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
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16:28:59 | JdGordon | oh poo |
16:29:35 | gevaerts | JdGordon: the database tool builds :) |
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16:29:47 | JdGordon | as does the clip+ checkwps i bet |
16:30:36 | * | JdGordon is too tired for this |
16:30:41 | JdGordon | why didnt that ork? |
16:31:10 | JdGordon | did I put the -DCHECKWPS in the wrong place? |
16:32:10 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27770): try again |
16:34:06 | CIA-9 | r27770 build result: All green |
16:34:14 | JdGordon | yay :) |
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16:40:05 | freddyb | S_a_i_n_t: you asked about AA fonts. I've been playing with them a bit. They seem to work well. The trick is getting the right combination of true type font and revision of convttf.c. |
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16:46:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha, thanks for the info freddyb....I don't really want something I have to "piss-around" with though. |
16:46:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I kinda want it to "just work" |
16:46:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll definitely have a look into it though, thanks. |
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16:51:38 | freddyb | If you play with it, just use the last patch on Flyspray. |
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17:29:52 | sko | kugel: I posted a new launcher icon for android at FS #11234 |
17:38:56 | kugel | sko: gonna try them |
17:39:23 | kugel | not sure if I like the white border for the launcher right now, but it might be nice for the notification icon |
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17:43:50 | aodsn | does someone have a use for a rio karma with broken volume up button and half-broken wheel? |
17:44:00 | aodsn | does someone if there is a rio karma channel somewhere? |
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17:50:15 | aodsn | i would donate it to some rockbox developer if you want to work on it :) |
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20:08:21 | Diq | Hello! I have a problem with my Sansa Clip. |
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20:08:42 | Diq | It seems to crash on vorbis files all the time consistantly |
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20:09:10 | Diq | I have a v1 that does this, and a v2 that works fine with it (crashes but they all do) |
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20:09:35 | Diq | it can play mp3 without crashes though, which is the weird part |
20:09:58 | gevaerts | Do you use the database or dircache? |
20:10:01 | Diq | Is there a way for me to understand the debug codes? I googled them but they don't bring up anything |
20:10:03 | pixelma | is there something special about your vorbis files, maybe ID3 tags? |
20:10:04 | Diq | No I don't |
20:10:23 | Diq | Nothing, same files on a v2 and it doesn't crash |
20:10:44 | Diq | I tried different firmwares and even changed the bootloader, same problem |
20:11:14 | pixelma | oh, didn't see the v1 and v2 part |
20:11:39 | Diq | It might be faulty hardware, the stock plays it fine, but I'm not sure at this point |
20:11:45 | Diq | I don't know how to diagnose it either |
20:12:04 | * | wodz reminds gevaerts about FS #11531 |
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20:12:29 | Diq | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36978&page=30 I'm Nausicaa in this thread have no idea what to do with it |
20:12:33 | gevaerts | wodz: am I allowed to wait until after I finishdinner? |
20:13:12 | Diq | Whats for dinner gevaerts? :) |
20:13:14 | pixelma | Diq: did you also try other codecs, WMA, AAC or so? |
20:13:33 | Diq | No I haven't |
20:13:49 | pixelma | hmm |
20:14:00 | Diq | Should I? |
20:14:07 | bertrik | Diq, what debug codes do you mean? |
20:14:23 | Diq | Not debug sorry, should have said error |
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20:15:50 | Diq | If its a hardware problem I can probably just get another one, but if its software related it might be helpful for the community |
20:16:14 | Diq | I love your guy's work, you're the gold standard for me, if something doesn't run rockbox no matter what price i dont want it |
20:17:10 | pixelma | I know one difference if I'm not mistaken between the v1 and the v2 Clips that could have to do with the crashes (the former has less RAM) but I don't know what to do with that knowledge or what you could test. Sorry |
20:17:19 | bertrik | Diq, I think it's a software error in rockbox, the debug code seems to happen somewhere in RAM, the 0xEA000000 is some kind of jump instruction IIRC |
20:17:47 | Diq | I used the iPod mini for 3 years, got a Cowon D2 during that time (hated it), and then got the clip |
20:17:59 | bertrik | I think we need a sample of an ogg that crashes it |
20:18:05 | Diq | Okay, is there a patch I can get in SVN or is this unfixable for the time being? |
20:19:13 | bertrik | I'd say unfixable until we find out what is going on |
20:19:16 | Diq | They're vorbis -1.0 I don't think the webclient supports PM does it? |
20:20:07 | wodz | Diq: what version of rb are You using? |
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20:28:12 | Thanatos | Hey I'm Diq my connection crashed |
20:28:39 | wodz | Thanatos: what version of rb are You using? |
20:29:11 | Thanatos | I have tried the latest one |
20:29:14 | Thanatos | And older versions |
20:30:02 | Thanatos | Currently I have r27758-100808 |
20:30:52 | wodz | 1) try files with different formats 2) check if it crashes with single file or any ogg vorbis |
20:31:00 | Thanatos | Well |
20:31:03 | Thanatos | It crashes with any of them |
20:31:24 | Thanatos | As soon as I change to another vorbis file |
20:31:30 | Thanatos | When it starts up sometimes it doesn't work |
20:31:47 | Thanatos | I reset and it will play until the end, then it crashes when it transisions to the next vorbis file |
20:32:21 | Thanatos | If I have an MP3 next though, it won't, so I tested it by putting ogg,mp3,ogg,mp3 and no crashes |
20:32:42 | Thanatos | Weird huh? |
20:32:42 | wodz | weird |
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20:34:07 | Thanatos | So I currently have no idea what to do, best dirty fix I can think of is just making playlists with half second mp3s and seeing if that will fix it |
20:34:28 | wodz | Please try files from http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/. This are our standard test files and are known to be ok |
20:34:50 | Thanatos | okay thanks |
20:35:28 | gevaerts | Are codecs kept loaded and just reinitialised between tracks? |
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20:36:27 | wodz | And I saw in thread You ware linking that You had some fs corruption. Did You reinstalled rb after chkdsk? |
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20:42:40 | Thanatos | Thats really weird, your vorbis files work fine |
20:43:16 | bertrik | gevaerts, I was thinking about that too |
20:43:17 | Thanatos | Any reason that mines are bad? |
20:43:38 | bertrik | Does the clip v1 simulator have the same memory limits as the real target? |
20:45:53 | kugel | Thanatos: we don't support certain types of vorbis files |
20:45:57 | Thanatos | Oh hey, might be that it doesn't work on q -1.0 |
20:46:18 | kugel | maybe you were unlucky and got those |
20:46:28 | Thanatos | I converted one of my songs to 096 and it works fine |
20:47:12 | Thanatos | No I converted them myself, and I found out that q2.0 works |
20:49:29 | bertrik | My guess is that it's very likely related to the q = -1 settings, although even when we don't support (I don't know if we do or not), it shouldn't crash |
20:50:07 | Thanatos | Okay so I've found out that the high compression files don't work on it |
20:50:27 | Thanatos | I wonder why though, it works on my iPod mini and my v2 |
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20:50:41 | kugel | perhaps it's FS #5796 |
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20:53:15 | kugel | the last coment says floor vorbis files need vastly more memory during decoding. the clipv1 has only a small codec buffer (even compared to clipv2) |
20:54:06 | bertrik | is there a simple way to tell if a specific ogg is a floor-0 file? |
20:54:25 | gevaerts | kugel: but why do they play fine if they weren't preceded by an ogg file? |
20:56:00 | kugel | that I don't know |
20:56:36 | kugel | it could be that the malloc is not properly reset in an ogg-ogg transition |
20:57:47 | Thanatos | Floor files need more memory? That means that it will waste more battery right? Do you happen to know what is the most optimal file format at what bitrate generally? |
20:58:40 | kugel | vorbis/wma are the most efficient ones |
20:58:57 | kugel | lossy ones* |
20:59:27 | kugel | muse pack is even more speedy |
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21:00:26 | wodz | Thanatos: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison |
21:00:27 | kugel | Thanatos: it possible be that chosing another encoder will result in working files |
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21:01:00 | gevaerts | Thanatos: more memory doesn't really mean more battery in this case. The codecs get a fixed amount of memory to use, which might vary per player type, and since the clipv1 is rather limited in RAM, the codec buffer is going to be smaller than e.g. on the v2. This means that specific files that need lots of RAM to decode are more likely to fail on clipv1 than on clipv2, but since the memory is always allocated anyway it doesn't mean more battery |
21:01:37 | Thanatos | Thanks for the technicals! |
21:01:39 | gevaerts | Except of course that if *all* codecs can be made to need less RAM, that buffer could be reduced. *Then* it will be a battery gain |
21:02:32 | wodz | gevaerts: more memory = more data to copy = more cpu cycles (that's how I understand this) |
21:03:08 | kugel | only if all memory is used |
21:03:15 | gevaerts | wodz: it could also mean more memory = less data to copy over and over again = less cpu cycles |
21:03:35 | gevaerts | I don't think it's that straightforward |
21:04:16 | kugel | in this case it's more *available* memory = same data to copy = same cpu cycles |
21:05:17 | Thanatos | So basically its always the same memory used no matter what |
21:07:11 | gevaerts | Yes. The CodecPerformanceComparison page is much more useful if you care about battery |
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21:12:29 | aodsn | that page is confusing me |
21:12:48 | preetyboyswag | any germans here ? |
21:12:52 | aodsn | yes |
21:13:05 | preetyboyswag | kennst du dich mit porten aus ? |
21:13:14 | Thanatos | fastest speed at lowest cpu usage is what you're looking for I think |
21:13:37 | aodsn | for the clip v2, which of the tables would be what is it actually using |
21:13:39 | kugel | preetyboyswag: please use private chat if you don't like english |
21:13:48 | aodsn | preetyboyswag: nope, and please talk english here anyways |
21:14:00 | preetyboyswag | i can speak englisch dont worry :D |
21:16:54 | preetyboyswag | well then i need have to wait for some porters from germany |
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21:19:45 | Tarvis | quick noob question: |
21:19:59 | Tarvis | are ipod photo (ipod 4g w/ color) batteries compatible with the black/white ipod 4g? |
21:20:14 | preetyboyswag | yes i believe so |
21:20:19 | Thanatos | yes |
21:20:20 | Tarvis | oops, meant to put it in community |
21:20:23 | Tarvis | but thanks |
21:20:25 | Thanatos | ive switched them around |
21:20:33 | Thanatos | Tarvis |
21:20:38 | Thanatos | They are compatible with minis as well |
21:20:38 | preetyboyswag | thanatos can u get me one haha :D |
21:20:44 | preetyboyswag | i send u my new mp3 player xP |
21:20:49 | Tarvis | I see |
21:20:59 | bertrik | ah, I got a "Vorbis: allocation failed" when switching ogg tracks a couple of times |
21:21:01 | Tarvis | I've seen Mini batteries for pretty dirt cheap on ebay... |
21:21:07 | bertrik | (in the clip v1 sim) |
21:21:11 | Thanatos | They all use the same amount just mini is smaller |
21:21:23 | Thanatos | preetyboyswag what mp3 player? :p |
21:21:33 | Thanatos | It isn't a Chinese clone is it? :p |
21:21:48 | Thanatos | If you want you can get a battery off dealextreme.com or whatever free shipping too |
21:21:50 | preetyboyswag | i would love to have a meizu again |
21:22:04 | preetyboyswag | i bought a phillips today 8gb |
21:22:09 | preetyboyswag | but its to low for me |
21:22:14 | preetyboyswag | it plays videos and stuff |
21:22:19 | preetyboyswag | and got 2 year garanty |
21:22:51 | wodz | preetyboyswag: could you move this discussion to -comunity please? This channel is strictly for technical discussion |
21:23:29 | preetyboyswag | alright wodz |
21:24:20 | GeekShadow | about meizu, is this still on rockbox roadmap or not ? |
21:24:34 | preetyboyswag | i think so |
21:24:39 | preetyboyswag | i dont think they are done |
21:24:58 | bertrik | GeekShadow, nothing important has happened for the meizus to progress in a year or so |
21:25:18 | Thanatos | I got the D2 cause I thought rockbox would work on it soon |
21:25:20 | bertrik | and we don't really have roadmaps anyway |
21:25:29 | Thanatos | But oh well I wouldn't have used it anyways |
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21:25:54 | preetyboyswag | guys its possible to get a mp3 player louder over the hex code |
21:26:04 | GeekShadow | As I said before, I can only help on testing, I don't have the knowledge to help on the porting |
21:26:04 | preetyboyswag | becouse mine is going till volume 31 |
21:26:09 | preetyboyswag | but it still to low |
21:27:00 | aodsn | i think i can switch to a louder mode on my sansa clip+ |
21:27:00 | Thanatos | You can get an amp or use lower ohm headphones |
21:27:07 | aodsn | or maybe tat was the original firmware |
21:27:28 | preetyboyswag | oh the amp for mp3 players work good ? |
21:27:29 | Thanatos | aodsn are you thinking of America vs Europe? |
21:27:46 | preetyboyswag | Europe got that volume block shit |
21:27:52 | Thanatos | Depends which one you get, but cmoy is very budget based and its pretty good |
21:27:54 | aodsn | no idea, something had two different loudness levels in the options |
21:28:05 | Thanatos | Yeah thats the one |
21:28:58 | kugel | preetyboyswag: once more, this channel is strictly about rockbox |
21:29:57 | preetyboyswag | well i keep hope someday its gonna be easier to port rockbox to other devices |
21:30:15 | bertrik | the sansa clip+ is plenty loud with rockbox |
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21:41:47 | aodsn | i would like to run http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison , is there a way to do so with a normal rockbox build? |
21:41:54 | aodsn | i dont seem to have the pluginyet |
21:43:06 | wodz | aodsn: You have to have custom build with test plugins enabled |
21:43:58 | wodz | Am I correct that FS #7138 can be closed? |
21:44:11 | aodsn | is building straightforward? i am on archlinux |
21:45:19 | aodsn | where do i find the source? |
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21:45:49 | bertrik | I guess the problem with the ogg file is that ogg_malloc_init/ogg_malloc_destroy is not called when playing several oggs in a row, I get an allocation failure in the clip v1 sim after switching between 2 ogg files a couple of times |
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21:46:06 | Nausicaa | does it support musepack? |
21:46:17 | Nausicaa | It crashed when I was using Q3 |
21:46:49 | gevaerts | Nausicaa: musepack should work, yes |
21:47:00 | Nausicaa | I get this error |
21:47:09 | Nausicaa | 300042C0 |
21:47:26 | Nausicaa | address 0xFEF7745B |
21:47:39 | wodz | aodsn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowToCompile is good starting point |
21:48:15 | aodsn | wodz: cheers, i was following the "Daily builds, voices, fonts and source" link on http://build.rockbox.org/ |
21:48:20 | aodsn | maybe link to that site there |
21:48:49 | bertrik | The difference between the number of mallocs and frees increases by one at each two track changes |
21:51:23 | bertrik | This doesn't happen with an album of q5 (or so) vorbis files |
21:51:37 | gevaerts | interesting |
21:51:52 | aodsn | oh, i need to install cross-compiling things. that looks like clutter i will not be able to remove easy later. anyone willing to build rockbox with the test plugins for sansa clip+ for me? :) |
21:52:08 | kugel | bertrik: are you saying we have a memory leak on rockbox? :( |
21:52:38 | gevaerts | aodsn: you can control where to install the toolchains |
21:52:53 | bertrik | kugel, looks like it |
21:52:57 | gevaerts | kugel: yes, in a bit that ignores the rules and uses malloc anyway! |
21:53:03 | kugel | unbelieveable |
21:53:04 | wodz | aodsn: it's easy You install whole toolchain in separate directory |
21:53:16 | kugel | I mean, really! |
21:53:33 | bertrik | this is ogg_malloc, ogg_free and friends, not in rockbox in general probably |
21:53:54 | aodsn | ok |
21:56:41 | Nausicaa | Oh way cool (not the leak, the fact it will be fixed) |
21:57:16 | kugel | bertrik: the leak is supposed to not matter isn' it? I mean since we just restart the codecs on track change? |
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21:58:12 | bertrik | kugel, I think we don't do that between two vorbis files (looking at apps/codecs/vorbis.c) |
21:59:15 | Nausicaa | Oh crap my screen died I am very sad now |
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22:00:25 | preetyboyswag | ^^ |
22:00:52 | preetyboyswag | yeah i am sad that i dont find a way to learn how to port rockbox |
22:01:15 | Nausicaa | Ah I |
22:01:32 | Nausicaa | 'fixed' it, I shouldn't have been breaking into my player for no reason |
22:02:00 | Nausicaa | You can always buy an older rockbox enabled player |
22:02:55 | Nausicaa | iPods are good choices since they're extremely common |
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22:06:55 | preetyboyswag | thats true but the sound quality sucks |
22:07:16 | preetyboyswag | and with rockbox the ipod is workin for about only 1 H |
22:07:31 | gevaerts | huh? |
22:07:55 | preetyboyswag | gevaerts yes with rockbox eq on |
22:07:57 | * | gevaerts has seen 28 hour claims for the ipod video |
22:08:02 | preetyboyswag | on the ipod 4g photo |
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22:08:27 | preetyboyswag | it takes 2 H if i got luck then i can recharge it |
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22:09:36 | gevaerts | It sounds like your battery is just old and bad, and you're blaming rockbox for that |
22:09:42 | Nausicaa | Well I've neverquality problems, and maybe it needs a new battery |
22:10:57 | preetyboyswag | i think its becouse the battery only have 800 mAh |
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22:13:07 | wodz | Are You saying that you discharge battery with ~0.5A current? Are you kidding? |
22:14:27 | preetyboyswag | nope |
22:14:46 | preetyboyswag | i just open my ipod 2 weeks ago to check it out |
22:15:18 | preetyboyswag | and i got a old battiere from 2005 with 800 mAh i think becouse of that my rockbox died so fast |
22:15:23 | aodsn | yay, i am compiling :) |
22:16:56 | wodz | 1) 5 years old battery is not near 800mAh 2) internal resistance of such bat is high probably. |
22:17:27 | wodz | Does battery get hot when charging? |
22:17:48 | bunnyboi | it gets warm |
22:17:48 | saratoga | bertrik: the malloc buffer is intended to be flushed between every track change |
22:17:48 | preetyboyswag | yeah the hole mp3 is gettin damn hot |
22:17:49 | bertrik | Does the battery look swollen? |
22:17:57 | saratoga | if its not, we probably broke it at some point |
22:18:05 | preetyboyswag | betrik nope |
22:18:19 | bunnyboi | my fuze v2 gets quite warm when charging |
22:18:28 | aodsn | suggestion for the tools/rockboxdev.sh script: you already notice if the user cannot write to /usr/local, why not add "you can edit this script to install the toolchain to a local path" |
22:18:53 | gevaerts | aodsn: no need to edit the script, just set the right environment variable |
22:19:01 | aodsn | or that |
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22:19:17 | bertrik | saratoga, can you have a look at apps/codecs/vorbis.c around line 250? It looks like it goes to the next track there without reinitialising the ogg_malloc system |
22:19:37 | preetyboyswag | i gonna bought a new battery on ebay then i gonna tell you guys thx for the help wodz |
22:19:43 | aodsn | i am a spoilt archlinux user, so those things are roadblocks for me |
22:20:18 | gevaerts | aodsn: you got past it, so that sounds like an exaggeration |
22:21:47 | aodsn | gevaerts: yes, but only after you suggested it. the error sounded like it needed permission for /usr/local . the script is already nice and tells me the path to add to $PATH in the end, so to me it would feel natural to add a note that this is easily possible right in the error message |
22:22:27 | saratoga | bertrik: yes it looks like that was recently changed |
22:22:35 | saratoga | it used to call ogg_malloc_init(); on track change |
22:22:41 | aodsn | can i simply overwrite myplayer/.rockbox with the new one or should i rather remove it first? |
22:23:08 | wodz | You can overwrite. |
22:23:14 | saratoga | lear broke it |
22:23:25 | saratoga | not sure why, there was even a comment explaining that it was needed |
22:23:28 | aodsn | thanks |
22:24:48 | saratoga | bertrik: try moving the ogg_malloc_init(); back below next_track |
22:24:51 | saratoga | should fix it i think |
22:25:47 | gevaerts | saratoga: I'd assume that he thought it wasn't needed anymore since that commit added free() support |
22:26:29 | saratoga | its not real free support though since we don't have VM |
22:26:39 | bertrik | somehow the malloc/free difference doesn't change between tracks with my own vorbis tracks, but I see this diference increase with the offending vorbis file, so something's fishy in tje vorbis codec too |
22:27:32 | saratoga | unless you flush the malloc buffer, you'll still fragment it pretty quickly and then mallocs will fail, even if you call free everytime (which we probably don't) |
22:27:50 | Nausicaa | Oh another thing, I thing its a decoding problem in MPC files they have some sort of electronic clips in the audio |
22:27:53 | gevaerts | indeed. The argument that reinitialising the thing isn't needed depends on everything being freed anyway |
22:28:09 | Nausicaa | At least in Sansa clip v1+v2 |
22:28:21 | saratoga | previously our free didn't actually do anything, so i usually didn't bother making sure it was called |
22:29:00 | bertrik | I guess the ogg vorbis malloc/free just happens to work well enough for us not to notice before |
22:29:25 | wodz | 11 months from commit :-) |
22:29:56 | saratoga | it'll work pretty well because the malloc buffer is currently huge, so it'll take a while to burn through it |
22:30:15 | saratoga | hmm not on the clipv1 though |
22:31:54 | saratoga | Nausicaa: file a bug report with the problem file |
22:32:21 | Nausicaa | How do I do that? |
22:33:16 | saratoga | bug tracker |
22:33:19 | saratoga | front page |
22:38:43 | Nausicaa | What do I put in for player type? |
22:39:02 | Nausicaa | Should be other right? I am not sure what SW-codec is |
22:44:19 | kugel | saratoga: surely if everything is freed fragmentation shouldn't matter? |
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22:57:30 | bertrik | Nausicaa, I made a fix that works in our simulator, I can you send a file to place in the .rockbox directory so you can test if it works on the player too |
22:58:08 | Nausicaa | Yes please!!! |
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23:05:39 | bertrik | Nausicaa, replace .rockbox/codecs/vorbis.codec with this file http://filebin.ca/tjuppy/vorbis.codec |
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23:08:44 | Nausicaa | bertrik thanks it works perfectly |
23:10:16 | bertrik | great |
23:10:32 | Nausicaa | Just wondering if MPC crashes in the simulator |
23:11:03 | Nausicaa | MPC doesn't seem to play for whatever reason it did play once before |
23:11:23 | Nausicaa | I don't really use it so no hurry, and thanks again! That was very fast. |
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23:23:47 | saratoga | kugel: hmm good point |
23:24:00 | saratoga | was still thinking of the weird old malloc |
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