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| 00:11:06 | ehntoo | does anyone know who I should talk to about the status of getting custom code running on the Zune? |
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| 00:11:37 | ehntoo | I just came into posession of one, and I'm liking the solid feel of my hardware, but man... the software... |
| 00:11:52 | ehntoo | *the zune's hardware |
| 00:13:58 | saratoga | ehntoo: no one knows how to do that, so you're on your own |
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| 01:01:15 | amiconn | stripwax: Around two hours per toolchain seems normal for cygwin on a modernish system |
| 01:01:46 | stripwax | amiconn - thx. |
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| 01:05:37 | perfectdrug | hi I'm trying to build an android build on ubuntu and I run rockboxdev.sh succesfully but it says "/bin/sh: /build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-4.4.0/bin/arm-eabi-gcc: not found" |
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| 01:06:24 | perfectdrug | what could be the problem? |
| 01:06:34 | saratoga | where did you install arm-eabi-gcc to? |
| 01:07:10 | perfectdrug | I'm not sure, I just started the rockboxdev.sh script |
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| 01:07:56 | saratoga | when the script finishes i think it says where it built the toolchain |
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| 01:08:34 | perfectdrug | I already closed the terminalwindow |
| 01:08:39 | long | hey, i have a minor problem w/ the clip v2 port of rockbox. on my device, at very low volume levels, a noise akin to a cd player skipping can be heard, no matter the source file being played. it stops when playback stops, but resumes when playback resumes. any clue what that might be? |
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| 01:10:14 | saratoga | perfectdrug: i guess open up the script or run it again, figure out where it was building, and see if the files ended up there |
| 01:10:33 | perfectdrug | saratoga: ok will try thanks |
| 01:13:28 | long | there's nothing on the rockbox forums about this problem, nor does a google search bring up anything except for the manual that recommends setting the frame buffer higher, but that's not an option in the current clip v2 rockbox firmware. |
| 01:13:53 | saratoga | long: what frame buffer? |
| 01:15:24 | long | sorry, i mean the anti-skip buffer noted here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.5 |
| 01:15:50 | long | clearly because that's for the ipod ;-) |
| 01:16:24 | Torne | it's not an option on the clipv2 becaue it's not necessary |
| 01:16:37 | Torne | disk-based targets need it because they take time to spin up the drive |
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| 01:18:04 | long | i understand that, certainly, but what could be causing the skipping sound on my clip? |
| 01:19:45 | saratoga | what files skip |
| 01:19:47 | long | it's 4 "skips" per second, roughly, and it sounds almost exactly the same as an old cdplayer skipping |
| 01:20:31 | long | the cd skipping sound is present for all filetypes during playback, but stops when playback is paused, and i can hear it when volume is at 0 |
| 01:20:54 | long | possibly a voltage regulation issue within the soc? |
| 01:21:03 | Torne | is the actual music still playing normally at the same time? |
| 01:21:05 | saratoga | so its not actually skipping, just a background sound? |
| 01:21:16 | long | torne: yes, the music still plays normally |
| 01:21:25 | saratoga | "Clipv2: There is some very annoying noise which can be heard especially at low volume." |
| 01:21:28 | saratoga | that sound like it? |
| 01:21:42 | long | saratoga: correct, it's a background noise generated internally by the device somehow, which i can describe as sounding like a cd skipping |
| 01:21:58 | Torne | right. that's a known thing |
| 01:22:05 | long | saratoga: sure, as that's a rather general catch-all, but yeah. |
| 01:22:16 | saratoga | long: well if someone knew what caused that, they'd probably mention it on the wiki |
| 01:22:19 | long | bleh. what's the bug page for this? |
| 01:22:25 | Torne | that's not a general catch-all.. that's a specific thing |
| 01:22:26 | saratoga | probably not much use asking us about it |
| 01:22:29 | Torne | we don't know what *causes* it |
| 01:22:34 | Torne | but it's still a specific issue :) |
| 01:22:37 | long | ok =) |
| 01:23:12 | saratoga | for what its worth skipping is usually understood to be when the audio cuts out and then back in |
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| 01:23:46 | saratoga | usually noise thats unrelated to the audio would be called "background" or "hum" |
| 01:24:01 | long | right, but some old cdplayers would also make this sound while playing back normally, most notably some of the portable sony tanks back in the early 1990s |
| 01:24:31 | long | this is definitely not a hum, but i understand what you're getting at. thanks :-) |
| 01:24:38 | saratoga | unless you're going to send us one of those cdplayers, its not really helpful to compare it to them |
| 01:24:48 | saratoga | you're probably better off just using the right words |
| 01:25:04 | long | i just donated my last one to the local goodwill at the beginning of summer |
| 01:28:36 | long | thanks for the answer. i had forgotten how wonderful irc was. :-) |
| 01:41:46 | thefirstM | Does anyone know if it might be possible to implement vsync for the ipodnano2g's LCD driver, and if so, how hard? |
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| 01:46:23 | saratoga | probably not that hard, but what needs it? |
| 01:46:57 | thefirstM | Nothing really needs it, but it would just make animation be smoother. |
| 01:47:47 | thefirstM | And, tearing can be quite obvious in DOOM and some of the games playable on Rockboy. |
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| 01:54:36 | soap | s/skip/glitch/ and we can all agree |
| 01:57:42 | saratoga | its not really a glitch |
| 01:57:50 | saratoga | its like the SD card noise on the e200v1 |
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| 03:48:53 | bieber | JdGordon1: The theme editor shouldn't ever return an error if the parser isn't erroring out, can you give me an example? |
| 03:49:28 | JdGordon1 | p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } %Vp(1, %?ia<%it - %in|%fn>) |
| 03:49:33 | JdGordon1 | arg |
| 03:49:49 | JdGordon1 | I removed the 3rd param from tag_table.c but it still says not enough params? |
| 03:50:30 | CIA-9 | New commit by bieber (r27818): Theme Editor: Editor font/color settings are now applied to config documents |
| 03:51:08 | JdGordon1 | also I had a quick look and have no idea how to go about updating the %xd tag :/ |
| 03:51:45 | bieber | Oh boy, that's crashing the Theme Editor |
| 03:52:10 | JdGordon1 | did you svn up? |
| 03:52:18 | CIA-9 | r27818 build result: All green |
| 03:52:22 | bieber | Yeah |
| 03:52:31 | bieber | It's crashing in rendering, which at least means it parses |
| 03:52:51 | JdGordon1 | wierd, why the heck isnt it working for me? |
| 03:53:03 | JdGordon1 | the pastebin from last night shuld stop it crashing at leeast |
| 03:53:03 | bieber | Maybe you need to force a rebuild of the skin parser? |
| 03:53:12 | JdGordon1 | I did |
| 03:53:24 | bieber | I'm guessing you made the id3-missing branch of the tag optional? |
| 03:53:55 | JdGordon1 | removed completly, what it does now is just render that one line as normal |
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| 03:54:00 | JdGordon1 | condiionals are usable |
| 03:54:42 | bieber | Oh, well that will make it a lot simpler |
| 03:54:55 | bieber | I'll go ahead and fix that up in my renderer now |
| 03:55:06 | JdGordon1 | aweseom :) |
| 03:56:02 | bieber | Finally, you make a change that lets me rip out some complexity :P |
| 03:56:38 | JdGordon1 | my appologies :) |
| 03:57:09 | JdGordon1 | what do you mean "finally"? :/ |
| 03:57:24 | bieber | Well, if you don't count that whole syntax restructuring thing ;) |
| 03:59:24 | JdGordon1 | have you done any doc about how to update/add new tags to the editor? |
| 03:59:48 | JdGordon1 | I've got a bunch of features I want to add the the bars |
| 03:59:52 | JdGordon1 | and the xd tag changes :) |
| 03:59:57 | bieber | No, I'll do a write-up on it all tomorrow |
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| 04:00:04 | JdGordon1 | (please remove the horrible swicth on the tag names) :) |
| 04:00:24 | bieber | Will it be a killer flaw if the playlist entries all show the same data? |
| 04:00:39 | JdGordon1 | no |
| 04:00:52 | bieber | Cool |
| 04:04:09 | CIA-9 | New commit by bieber (r27819): Theme Editor: Changed playlist rendering to match new syntax |
| 04:04:35 | bieber | Do you have an id constant in the tag table to build a single-layer switch statement on yet? |
| 04:06:14 | CIA-9 | r27819 build result: All green |
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| 07:29:42 | JdGordon | bieber: (very late reply: ) ) pardon? |
| 07:30:34 | JdGordon | tag.type is what the c code uses |
| 07:30:40 | JdGordon | no reason you cant use it also |
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| 07:40:29 | S_a_i_n_t | "I couldnt be bothered with the hassle of breaking themes so the old way still works" is that *really* the hassle you were avoiding? |
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| 07:56:51 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders where kugel is... |
| 07:57:11 | S_a_i_n_t | "Icons, get your RaaA icons here..." |
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| 08:59:06 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: I cleaned them up a little http://www.datafilehost.com/download-747f1fe4.html |
| 08:59:12 | S_a_i_n_t | (RaaA icons) |
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| 09:08:25 | CIA-9 | New commit by learman (r27820): Allow 'long' labels with single-argument %xd too. The label need to be at least 3 chars long (2 chars are treated as a single-letter-label image with ... |
| 09:10:05 | CIA-9 | r27820 build result: All green |
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| 09:12:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Lear: Does that allow %xl(foo,foo.bmp,0,0) - %xd(foo)? Or am I misunderstanding? |
| 09:13:01 | Lear | S_a_i_n_t: Yes. |
| 09:13:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha, thankyou...just makinging sure I understood it. |
| 09:13:39 | S_a_i_n_t | *errr...making, even. |
| 09:14:42 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmmm...the %xl/d tag descriptions in the manual are going to be difficult. |
| 09:14:56 | S_a_i_n_t | ...possibly. |
| 09:15:03 | S_a_i_n_t | s/difficult/long/ |
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| 10:04:09 | S_a_i_n_t | stripwax: probably too late, but, here |
| 10:04:53 | S_a_i_n_t | +'s some CygWin toolchains that dreamlayers built 21:July:2010 dreamlayers/asset/arm-elf-eabi-tar-bz2">http://drop.io/dreamlayers/asset/arm-elf-eabi-tar-bz2 |
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| 10:42:12 | n1s | hi |
| 10:43:02 | LordTroll | Does rockbox read flac ape ogg and wav ? |
| 10:43:54 | LordTroll | 2) does reproduce tat 24 bit ? |
| 10:46:01 | LordTroll | 3) Bad menù managment on sansa fuze |
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| 10:48:24 | LordTroll | ? |
| 10:50:41 | LordTroll | 4) why I got few mp3 that I don't put? |
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| 10:53:57 | n1s | yes rockbox supports all those formats |
| 10:54:25 | n1s | output is dithered or truncated to 16 bits before sendeing it to the dac though |
| 10:54:37 | n1s | 3) ? |
| 10:54:49 | n1s | also 4) ? |
| 10:55:02 | LordTroll | thx |
| 10:55:07 | * | Lear points out that dithering is optional. |
| 10:55:12 | LordTroll | 3) bad menu' buttons combination |
| 10:55:16 | LordTroll | really bad |
| 10:55:44 | LordTroll | 4) Yep, I got some stuff into my mp3 reader tat I did not put in |
| 10:55:49 | LordTroll | that |
| 10:55:58 | LordTroll | If I delete it, It re-appears |
| 10:57:02 | n1s | LordTroll: i don't understand what you mean by "bad menu' buttons combination", are you saying the keymap is bad? |
| 10:59:00 | LordTroll | the relationship between layer menù and buttons |
| 10:59:08 | LordTroll | In particular one thing |
| 10:59:12 | LordTroll | : |
| 10:59:54 | LordTroll | When You are playing a song it's really frustrating to come back into main screen |
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| 11:00:06 | LordTroll | :( |
| 11:02:06 | n1s | what is the "main screen" here? also have you checked the manual? |
| 11:02:21 | LordTroll | yes |
| 11:02:32 | LordTroll | I know how to come back but is a bad-combination |
| 11:02:52 | LordTroll | 10 clicks to come back |
| 11:02:56 | LordTroll | and lay another song |
| 11:03:00 | LordTroll | play* |
| 11:03:07 | n1s | "come back" from wps to where? |
| 11:03:26 | LordTroll | from the song playing status |
| 11:03:43 | LordTroll | tp the main screen center menu' |
| 11:03:54 | LordTroll | on SANSA FUZE |
| 11:03:57 | Lear | Tried pressing select while on the WPS? That returns you to the file browser. |
| 11:05:09 | LordTroll | Select? |
| 11:05:51 | LordTroll | anyhow I noticed 1 improvementi on life battery |
| 11:05:57 | LordTroll | more durabile |
| 11:06:21 | LordTroll | I dislike the volume managment |
| 11:06:27 | LordTroll | and the logo then |
| 11:06:37 | LordTroll | I just say you to give a feedback |
| 11:06:51 | LordTroll | as far as you care |
| 11:06:53 | LordTroll | :) |
| 11:07:07 | Lear | Select == the button "in" the wheel. |
| 11:07:32 | LordTroll | in the middle of the wheel ? |
| 11:07:55 | LordTroll | Yeah I always ue the wheel |
| 11:08:30 | LordTroll | Yo have to make a frustrating tuen around |
| 11:09:01 | LordTroll | in order to achieve the main menu' again |
| 11:09:37 | LordTroll | and, over all, un-ractional |
| 11:09:58 | LordTroll | You havve to push an unractional sequence |
| 11:10:12 | Lear | You get to the main menu using the "menu" button ("down" on the wheel). |
| 11:10:18 | LordTroll | this is the main frustrating factor |
| 11:10:23 | LordTroll | the unractional |
| 11:11:51 | LordTroll | now I try |
| 11:12:22 | LordTroll | OMG |
| 11:12:28 | LordTroll | rockbox has deleted |
| 11:12:30 | LordTroll | !?!?! |
| 11:12:43 | LordTroll | I swear |
| 11:13:30 | LordTroll | I had rockbox, I plugged sansafuze to pc. No I umplugged it to try your tips and I have the old os software and no more rock box |
| 11:13:40 | LordTroll | I only deleted old mp3's |
| 11:13:52 | LordTroll | ah ok |
| 11:14:00 | LordTroll | on reboot now I have rockbox |
| 11:14:09 | LordTroll | ok now I try your tip |
| 11:15:08 | S_a_i_n_t | You know that noone's forcing you to use Rockbox right? If you have a better suggestion for the keymap, put a patch on the tracker. |
| 11:15:09 | Lear | Rockbox doesn't support USB on all target. If not, it reboots to the OF (the "old os") when plugged. |
| 11:15:12 | LordTroll | lol |
| 11:15:16 | LordTroll | wadda noob |
| 11:15:21 | LordTroll | yeah your tip works |
| 11:15:26 | LordTroll | xD |
| 11:15:30 | LordTroll | ty |
| 11:15:38 | LordTroll | but there is another problem now |
| 11:15:58 | Lear | It's all in the manual too. |
| 11:16:03 | LordTroll | The file I deleted still figure out |
| 11:16:26 | LordTroll | It keeps the old folder Ideeeleted |
| 11:16:50 | S_a_i_n_t | re-initialise the database. |
| 11:18:05 | LordTroll | and if I play the songs, since I deleted them, they don't start |
| 11:18:15 | LordTroll | but I got the root |
| 11:18:32 | S_a_i_n_t | well, that's hardly a bug...it can't play what isn't there. |
| 11:18:36 | LordTroll | ok I re-instal the database hoping this weren't the routinne procedure |
| 11:18:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Set the database to autoupdate, or re-initialise the database. |
| 11:19:22 | LordTroll | I try to re-boot before to make other mess |
| 11:20:07 | LordTroll | no way.. |
| 11:20:18 | LordTroll | The root keeps stay |
| 11:21:18 | LordTroll | . OH.. here are the dams files I never put into: 1) maintitle never was. 2) I want a job 2)Hi Gabriel 4) meeting maggie etc etc etc |
| 11:21:45 | JdGordon | LordTroll: you are very hard to understand. Try slowing down a bit and not pressing enter so often please |
| 11:21:49 | LordTroll | 17 folders |
| 11:22:23 | S_a_i_n_t | LordTroll: I can assure you that Rockbox ceratinly didn;t put the files/folders on your device. |
| 11:23:09 | LordTroll | Ok I believe you. I'd just report my probs |
| 11:23:14 | LordTroll | :| |
| 11:23:44 | S_a_i_n_t | That isn't really a rockbox problem though, we have no control what files you do/don't add to your device. |
| 11:24:19 | LordTroll | eh but I didn't know before you told me that rockbox doesn't put anything |
| 11:26:43 | LordTroll | Ok now I need to fix the ghost files |
| 11:28:56 | LordTroll | How to re-initializate the database? |
| 11:29:50 | S_a_i_n_t | LordTroll: The manual is a good place to find answers like that. |
| 11:30:37 | LordTroll | ok ok |
| 11:30:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Settings - General Settings - Database - Initialise Now |
| 11:31:39 | LordTroll | thx :) |
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| 11:32:18 | LordTroll | Building database |
| 11:32:50 | S_a_i_n_t | You'll also want to make sure that Auto Update is set to "Yes". (Settings - General Settings - Database - Auto Update - Yes) |
| 11:33:11 | LordTroll | ok boss |
| 11:34:12 | LordTroll | Building database - how long should it take? |
| 11:34:40 | LordTroll | few minutes or few seconds ? |
| 11:36:34 | LordTroll | well old root has fade out! |
| 11:36:43 | LordTroll | Waiting for new mp3's |
| 11:45:46 | LordTroll | very well |
| 11:45:53 | LordTroll | now all runs perfect |
| 11:45:57 | LordTroll | thanks |
| 11:46:03 | LordTroll | bye bye see you |
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| 11:50:33 | n1s | ok, so i was using my newly aquired fuzev1 today and was surprised to find that a long play/pause button press in the wps did nothing and that stop was mapped to long home. So would anyone object to stop moving to long play/pause? how about for the e200? (it's on long power there) |
| 11:51:14 | n1s | the stop action was on long play/pause on e200 but that was changed about 3 years ago... |
| 11:51:43 | n1s | it is on long play/pause on the ipods which was the source of my initial confusion |
| 11:52:37 | n1s | and if people seriously object to moving it, would it be ok to have the stop action on long play/pause as well as its current button action? |
| 11:53:24 | Lear | Stop isn't long power on the e200... |
| 11:53:41 | pixelma | n1s: does the commit message of the change 3 years ago tell something about the reasons for it? To me as a user who doesn't have one of these targets long Play sounds sensible but I wonder why it was changed... if it was |
| 11:53:44 | n1s | a, right short power |
| 11:54:31 | n1s | pixelma: see here http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=15461 |
| 11:55:01 | pixelma | maybe short presses were preferred and/or someone thought it would feel similar to the H300 or so? |
| 11:56:44 | n1s | yes, the e200 has stop on a short button press now, that's nicer |
| 11:57:49 | n1s | i'll leave that alone then, but how about the fuze? :) |
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| 12:02:21 | S_a_i_n_t | While we're at it, I'd like to breathe some life into the idea proposed recently of moving the context menu to "long menu" of the iPods. |
| 12:02:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Can't remember who it was that mentioned it, but I liked the idea ;) |
| 12:02:38 | JdGordon | NO! |
| 12:02:45 | n1s | i still dont' like that |
| 12:03:01 | JdGordon | one discussion at a time :) |
| 12:03:13 | JdGordon | what key is the hotkey on the fuze? |
| 12:03:19 | n1s | short home |
| 12:03:36 | JdGordon | ah ok, I must have an old build then... |
| 12:03:44 | JdGordon | doesnt power do stop? |
| 12:04:01 | JdGordon | hmm, apparently not |
| 12:04:17 | * | TheSeven starts the third discussion at this time :) |
| 12:04:27 | TheSeven | what shall we do about the nano2g bootloader problem? |
| 12:04:59 | * | S_a_i_n_t needs some clueing in as to what "the bootloader problem" is. |
| 12:05:14 | TheSeven | the RB bootloader being slow and causing WSODs |
| 12:05:20 | JdGordon | n1s: after a 10s play with my fuze I tend to agree that moving stop to long play might be ideal, frees up the home button, although it should be on the power switch (considering stop is mostly redundant anyway) |
| 12:05:21 | TheSeven | IIUC flashing rockbox itself to NOR isn't what we officially want |
| 12:05:57 | TheSeven | also, the FTL recovery code needs ~1.1MB of RAM |
| 12:05:58 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: I think it's "fancy bootloaders" in general...but I may be mistaken. |
| 12:06:04 | JdGordon | keymap changes do need more discussion than just a quicky in irc though |
| 12:06:10 | n1s | JdGordon: the power switch is kind of hard to operate though |
| 12:06:19 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: That's a different problem (with iLoader this time) |
| 12:06:22 | n1s | JdGordon: yes, i'll send a mail to the list |
| 12:06:27 | JdGordon | there is almost no reason to ever need to actually stop playback though |
| 12:06:50 | n1s | JdGordon: that is also another discussion |
| 12:06:54 | n1s | :) |
| 12:07:00 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: So, what are the options? As you see them. |
| 12:07:01 | Lear | JdGordon: With bookmark on stop, it is useful to stop. |
| 12:07:03 | JdGordon | no meta discussions! |
| 12:07:35 | JdGordon | Lear: yes but pressing pause and leaving it, or later stoping will create the bookmark also |
| 12:07:36 | JdGordon | wont it? |
| 12:08:04 | TheSeven | I've integrated nandfsck into the FTL used by emBIOS, which seems to be working well. Do we want to do the same thing in the RB bootloader? (which would then need to have a R/W FTL)? |
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| 12:08:37 | * | S_a_i_n_t struggles with "R/W" |
| 12:08:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Sorry, not switched on apparently. |
| 12:08:48 | Lear | Not if you switch to another track/playlist, I think. |
| 12:09:35 | JdGordon | TheSeven: can we offer two bootloaders? |
| 12:10:05 | TheSeven | JdGordon: maybe? I'm not "we" :P |
| 12:10:22 | TheSeven | but if we want to go the NOR way, we should probably do it |
| 12:10:25 | S_a_i_n_t | You're pretty much "Mr. Nano2G " though ;) |
| 12:10:45 | TheSeven | (or rather make one work both as a NOR and NAND bootloader) |
| 12:10:59 | S_a_i_n_t | that's be awesome. |
| 12:11:03 | S_a_i_n_t | *that'd |
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| 12:11:55 | TheSeven | JdGordon: what are you planning? |
| 12:12:08 | JdGordon | "we" as in rockbox... |
| 12:13:23 | TheSeven | we probably don't need to offer two bootloaders. with a small crt0.S hack, the same binary should be able to boot both ways |
| 12:13:53 | TheSeven | we should offer a "testing" and a "permanent" installation way though |
| 12:14:15 | S_a_i_n_t | how permanent would "permanent" be? |
| 12:14:54 | S_a_i_n_t | Would an iTunes restore be able to restore it? |
| 12:14:59 | TheSeven | the "testing" one would just install to the firmware partition, with all disadvantages this has, but can be removed by restoring with itunes. the "permanent" way would be what iLoader/emBIOS are currently doing (flashing to the NOR, and needing their own uninstaller). |
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| 12:15:31 | n1s | anyway, i sent a mail to the list about my proposed change to the fuze keymap, so if anyone would like to comment, the ml is the place |
| 12:16:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...I have a feeling (maybe unwarranted) that the "permanent/potential bricking" nature of the install discourages people. |
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| 12:16:10 | TheSeven | ...which raises the question how we would want to handle the installation/uninstallation of the latter |
| 12:16:14 | n1s | TheSeven: is a bad NOR flash recoverable? |
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| 12:16:32 | TheSeven | n1s: depends on how bad and recoverable with which tools |
| 12:17:03 | S_a_i_n_t | "Can an average user recover without special tools/opening the device" |
| 12:17:08 | TheSeven | nope |
| 12:17:14 | n1s | so there's a chance of bricking (as in needing external hardware to restore) |
| 12:17:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Then, I'm not so sure its the way to go. |
| 12:17:39 | TheSeven | special *software* tools would catch 99% though |
| 12:18:11 | S_a_i_n_t | A possible way to go, for those that wish to...but, shouldn't be forced. Like iLoader. |
| 12:18:11 | TheSeven | there's still the risk of having a non-working recovery stub, but as I don't see why we should touch that one ever again, this shouldn't happen |
| 12:18:23 | n1s | we have several players which have such installation procedures already though, and if a known-good bootloader is released the risk should be small, no? |
| 12:18:25 | TheSeven | yes, it's the iloader way I'm talking about |
| 12:18:46 | TheSeven | there are three ways of failure: |
| 12:18:58 | S_a_i_n_t | The recoverability (or potential lack of) is what daunts me about iLoader. |
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| 12:19:28 | TheSeven | 1. the flashing process itself fails or gets interrupted, so there's just garbage on the flash |
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| 12:19:59 | TheSeven | 2. the flashing process itself fails or gets interrupted, but a good recovery stub has already been flashed, just the bootloader is bad |
| 12:20:04 | TheSeven | oh, there are more |
| 12:20:29 | TheSeven | 3. a bad bootloader is flashed |
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| 12:20:41 | TheSeven | 4. a bad recovery stub (with a correct checksum) is flashed |
| 12:21:00 | TheSeven | all of those can be unbricked, with different amounts of effort |
| 12:21:12 | n1s | 3 and 4 should be avoidable if a known good flash image is used, no? |
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| 12:21:48 | TheSeven | yes, but if someone wants to use a newer bootloader, 3 might still happen |
| 12:22:02 | S_a_i_n_t | The thing I, and I'm sure others like presently is the "No matter what I do, iTunes will fix it" - ability that rockbox has now. |
| 12:22:03 | TheSeven | we didn't have a single case 4 yet (with iloader) |
| 12:22:04 | n1s | TheSeven: how is the flashing done (where does the installer run) |
| 12:22:43 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: we can still offer that, if you just want to be testing things. if you like rockbox, but the wsods are driving you nuts, go for the permanent way |
| 12:23:02 | TheSeven | n1s: there are several possibilities |
| 12:23:10 | TheSeven | but let's first explain the ways of unbricking: |
| 12:23:47 | S_a_i_n_t | If the "testing" way offers the same functionality...why offer the permanent way? Is there some advantage to the permanent, or disadvantage to the temporary ways I'm missing? |
| 12:23:49 | TheSeven | 1: the ipod will enter DFU mode. You'll need a special tool (and driver on windows) to upload an apple-signed (or faked by us) binary, which can re-flash it |
| 12:24:18 | TheSeven | 2: you need a special tool (and driver on windows) to upload an unsigned binary that can re-flash it |
| 12:24:23 | TheSeven | 3: same |
| 12:24:38 | TheSeven | 4: you need to open it up, short 2 pins, and it will enter DFU mode, continue as in 1 |
| 12:25:13 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: the permanent way kills the wsods and will boot in 3 seconds, compared to 15 for the non-permanent way) |
| 12:25:33 | S_a_i_n_t | 15!?! |
| 12:25:40 | TheSeven | and you'll get rid of that annoying apple boot logo :P |
| 12:25:49 | TheSeven | well, it might be just 10 |
| 12:25:56 | S_a_i_n_t | why so long? |
| 12:26:14 | TheSeven | because apple's crappy bootloader needs that much time before it even launches the RB bootloader |
| 12:26:22 | S_a_i_n_t | RB bootloader boots in like 2 seconds here. |
| 12:26:35 | * | TheSeven is confused |
| 12:27:12 | S_a_i_n_t | "press menu, two seconds later I'm playing music" |
| 12:27:30 | TheSeven | with iloader, yes. not with the rb bootloader installed to the firmware partition. |
| 12:27:36 | * | JdGordon wonders if anyone sets the progress/volume bar height with - |
| 12:27:52 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Not with iLoader, no. |
| 12:28:04 | S_a_i_n_t | This is the RB bootloader I'm talking about. |
| 12:28:17 | TheSeven | on a 2g? |
| 12:28:19 | S_a_i_n_t | *maybe* 3 seconds...definitely not 4 |
| 12:28:22 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah. |
| 12:28:34 | TheSeven | with an apple logo before the bootloader comes up?` |
| 12:28:41 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 12:28:55 | TheSeven | which ipod model is that? |
| 12:29:03 | S_a_i_n_t | nowhere near 10~15 seconds...not even close. |
| 12:29:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Errr...how do I check that? |
| 12:29:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I have two near me now I can check it with. |
| 12:29:57 | TheSeven | i just mean the flash size |
| 12:30:00 | S_a_i_n_t | More if I keep digging. |
| 12:30:10 | S_a_i_n_t | one is 2GB, the other 4GB |
| 12:30:21 | S_a_i_n_t | both boot at the same speed. |
| 12:30:39 | S_a_i_n_t | 2 seconds may even be too long of an estimation. |
| 12:30:43 | TheSeven | hm, mine's 8GB, and it takes *several* seconds (don't remember exactly how much), before it even starts to boot rockbox |
| 12:30:55 | S_a_i_n_t | wow. |
| 12:31:10 | TheSeven | i barely manage to reach 2 seconds with iLoader, let alone emBIOS (which took almost 3 seconds when I measured it yesterday) |
| 12:31:10 | S_a_i_n_t | I have no 8GB models to test unfortunately. |
| 12:32:01 | S_a_i_n_t | to be safe, I'm gonna say 2.5~3 seconds and I'm at the nowplaying screen listening to audio. |
| 12:32:13 | TheSeven | from the button press that powers it on? |
| 12:32:23 | S_a_i_n_t | yep. |
| 12:32:36 | TheSeven | mine *definitely* hasn't even reached the RB bootloader after 3 seconds |
| 12:32:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Seems the additional 4GB is making a bg difference. |
| 12:32:49 | S_a_i_n_t | *big |
| 12:32:54 | TheSeven | and rockbox will need another 1-1.2 seconds from the splashscreen to the main menu |
| 12:33:06 | S_a_i_n_t | it takes longer for this build to shut down than start up. |
| 12:33:37 | TheSeven | this has always been like this (shutdowns take from 2-10 seconds on mine, depending on what I've done before) |
| 12:34:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm *really* keen on getting a Nano2G 8GB now...I've looked at a few, but considered that I had enough Nanos :P |
| 12:34:29 | TheSeven | n1s: it basically needs to be flashed by *anything* running on the ipod. This can be a dedicated installer installed via ipodpatcher to the firmware partition (like it's done for iLoader), or rockbox itself |
| 12:35:23 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I have a question for you about the display driver on the nano2g. How hard would it be to implement display Vsync like the OF does? |
| 12:35:55 | TheSeven | not hard at all from the driver side, no idea of the code above that in rockbox |
| 12:36:29 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: JdGordon wonders if anyone sets the progress/volume bar height with - == I have seen this done, yes. |
| 12:36:42 | TheSeven | as rockbox isn't using DMA for screen updates right now, (and I don't think the LCD driver yields), it should already be doing it |
| 12:37:05 | TheSeven | if you're talking about doom, might it be the other way round, that double buffering would be needed? |
| 12:37:21 | TheSeven | the LCD driver is getting like 100fps |
| 12:37:29 | thefirstM | Yeah, thats what Saratoga said too. But there is still tearing in just about everything. |
| 12:37:50 | TheSeven | ideally doom should call the lcd update function every time it has fully drawn a frame |
| 12:38:02 | TheSeven | if there's still tearing, this is an internal problem of the LCD |
| 12:38:15 | S_a_i_n_t | thefirstM: fwiw, I can't see any tearing in the ocilloscope as you mentioned...what codec are you playing to achieve that "tearing"? |
| 12:38:21 | TheSeven | (writing to the LCDs internal framebuffer and scanning the actual pixels not being in sync) |
| 12:39:08 | thefirstM | I wasn't playing anything. I just started up the plugin and watched as the red line had tearing. |
| 12:39:45 | * | TheSeven just checked chopper and noticed some lcd-internal tearing |
| 12:39:53 | TheSeven | you can see how it dithers the colors :) |
| 12:39:59 | thefirstM | Yep. That one too. |
| 12:40:19 | thefirstM | The OF doesn't seem to tear on anything, so there must be some way to sync it. |
| 12:41:05 | S_a_i_n_t | the OF probably doesn't push the hardware at all ;) |
| 12:41:35 | thefirstM | Yeah, there isn't anything in it that actually needs 192mHz of ARM... |
| 12:41:44 | TheSeven | there is: APE :P |
| 12:41:59 | S_a_i_n_t | "parachutes"...or, whatever it is called. |
| 12:42:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Music quizz...lol |
| 12:42:16 | TheSeven | look at the LCD datasheets if there's a way to tell from its registers where it's currently scanning |
| 12:42:40 | thefirstM | OK. Where can I find those? |
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| 12:43:04 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: can you verify that you *don't* have any tearing? |
| 12:43:11 | TheSeven | you had type2 lcds, right? |
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| 12:43:22 | thefirstM | I have the LDS176. |
| 12:43:34 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Yes, I have type 2LCD |
| 12:43:40 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t has the ILI9320 |
| 12:43:45 | * | TheSeven has the LDS176 |
| 12:43:46 | TheSeven | aha. |
| 12:44:02 | S_a_i_n_t | If I look *really* hard, I can see a slight tearing in oscilloscope...1px difference. |
| 12:44:15 | TheSeven | http://www.jelu.se/shop/pdf/lds176_spec.pdf |
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| 12:44:25 | thefirstM | Thanks! I will have a look. |
| 12:44:59 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: I have 3 of those 1-pixel differences in that line spaced evenly and wandering towards the top of the screen :) |
| 12:45:03 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: I also have 3 or 4 TheSeven has the LDS176's |
| 12:45:22 | S_a_i_n_t | eeek...c/p fail |
| 12:45:33 | S_a_i_n_t | I also have LDS176's |
| 12:46:45 | JdGordon | well vertical progressbars was simple to add :p |
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| 12:47:15 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Interestingly, those 1px diffs are stationary along their horizontal line...they are not "wandering" to the top of the screen as you pt it. |
| 12:47:18 | S_a_i_n_t | weird. |
| 12:47:20 | TheSeven | thefirstM: pdf page 36 looks interesting |
| 12:48:09 | TheSeven | now we'd just need to figure out what that thing is connected to |
| 12:49:37 | thefirstM | TheSeven: That is exactly what I want to do. Do you know how to find that out? |
| 12:50:27 | TheSeven | switch it on from the LCD side and observe the GPIOs and EXTINT lines |
| 12:51:02 | thefirstM | OK, I can look at the GPIOs in debug, but how about the EXTINT lines? |
| 12:52:11 | TheSeven | first we'll need to figure out how to clear their ints in the ICU (hopefully by just acking them in the SRCPND register). then enable those ints, make them print something and ack. |
| 12:52:48 | thefirstM | thefirstM is lost. Sorry, I don't know much about the hardware's nitty-gritty stuff. |
| 12:54:50 | JdGordon | what is eaiser to read? %pv(0,0,-,-,-,fill:invert, type:slider, foo: bar) or %pv(0,0,-,-,-,invert, slider, foobar) (the order of these last items doesnt matter and any could be missing) |
| 12:55:36 | JdGordon | it could also be "invert: true" or something |
| 12:56:02 | * | JdGordon guesses the bars could get maybe uo to half a dozen of these params |
| 12:56:53 | * | S_a_i_n_t orefers %pv(0,0,-,-,-,invert, slider, foobar) |
| 12:57:04 | S_a_i_n_t | seems more consistent with current code |
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| 12:59:51 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: ^ |
| 12:59:56 | JdGordon | yes, but I wonder how understandable it will be once the actual options are done... |
| 12:59:57 | JdGordon | I guess only one way to find out :p |
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| 13:00:36 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I think I know what you are talking about with the register then, but I can't find anything about that register in the LCD datasheet. |
| 13:01:13 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I just find the second option to be more inline with the current code/params |
| 13:02:37 | * | JdGordon 's test wps is volumebar filled :p |
| 13:02:39 | JdGordon | 3 so far |
| 13:03:12 | S_a_i_n_t | don't forget to pastebin ;) |
| 13:03:26 | JdGordon | http://imagebin.ca/view/8R_Vv71.html |
| 13:03:39 | JdGordon | ignore the number, the 3 bars are all showing the same volume |
| 13:05:05 | * | TheSeven wonders why his lcd thinks it's frozen when powering up after not being shut down cleanly |
| 13:05:07 | S_a_i_n_t | is black or grey "filled"? |
| 13:05:17 | JdGordon | black is filled |
| 13:05:25 | JdGordon | I put the invert on the wrong one so they fill inwards |
| 13:05:40 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, that maes more sense to me now. |
| 13:05:49 | S_a_i_n_t | *makes, even |
| 13:05:55 | JdGordon | vert/horiz is automatically chosen from the dimensions.. should I keep that or use a param? |
| 13:06:05 | JdGordon | the -10 is not the volume :) |
| 13:07:16 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I's say add a param, the odds are that someone won;t want an incredibly thin, tall horizontal bar...but, themers have ways of keeping you on your toes. |
| 13:07:57 | S_a_i_n_t | choice via dimension should be sufficient...if the dimensions are extremes |
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| 13:08:16 | JdGordon | also unsure about how to do the slider type.. I need to get the image label to use (dont really like the idea of another filename here) |
| 13:08:48 | JdGordon | then it could be centered on the spot, or drawn after the spot (so the image starts at the spot) |
| 13:08:55 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Does EXTINT have something to do with the line "default_interrupt(EINT_VBUS);" in system-s5l8700.c? |
| 13:09:03 | JdGordon | + drawn ontop of an empty bmp/bar or a filling one |
| 13:09:09 | TheSeven | yes |
| 13:09:27 | TheSeven | probably one of the other EINTs though |
| 13:09:51 | thefirstM | EXT0-EXT2? |
| 13:09:54 | TheSeven | yep |
| 13:11:46 | JdGordon | if a param is slider then the next param is the image label, "nofill" will only draw the slider maybe? |
| 13:12:03 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: perhaps leave the slider until the rest is figured out/well tested. |
| 13:12:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd see vert bars/slider as two commits anyway |
| 13:12:25 | JdGordon | what rest? |
| 13:12:43 | S_a_i_n_t | vertical bars/fill type |
| 13:12:57 | JdGordon | im done with that... unless there are more fill types? |
| 13:13:20 | S_a_i_n_t | you're done with it, but, it's not exactly had a wealth of testing. |
| 13:13:37 | JdGordon | what makes you tihnk it needs it? |
| 13:13:46 | S_a_i_n_t | past experience |
| 13:14:17 | JdGordon | backward bmp slider needs work : |
| 13:17:36 | * | JdGordon fails at transparent_bitmap_part() |
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| 13:21:35 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Where is SRCPND defined? |
| 13:21:44 | TheSeven | in s5l8700.h |
| 13:25:42 | thefirstM | This is way over my head. I give up. |
| 13:25:58 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I'll buy you a beer if you can figure this out :) |
| 13:27:03 | n1s | TheSeven: if the iflasher runs from rockbox it is a very similar install method as used when flashing the old archos and i see no reason not to give the users the option of doing this |
| 13:27:32 | n1s | iflasher = installer/flasher apparently |
| 13:28:24 | n1s | also about the tearing, could it be that a lcd_ipdate returns before the lcd has finished updating so that another lcd update may start before the previous one has actually completed? |
| 13:28:35 | TheSeven | not on the nano2g |
| 13:28:46 | n1s | ok |
| 13:29:05 | TheSeven | this seems to be an lcd-internal syncing problem |
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| 13:32:09 | pixelma | I'd prefer if recently introduced bugs would be fixed before implementing new features :\ |
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| 13:34:03 | thefirstM | pixelma: Are you talking about the theming or about the nano2g LCD Vsync? |
| 13:34:44 | pixelma | theme engine |
| 13:36:06 | JdGordon | then go fix them |
| 13:36:37 | pixelma | I didn't add them and don't plan to add something |
| 13:36:51 | * | JdGordon just cant imagine why he has no motivation to fix bugs that doesnt affect him |
| 13:36:52 | pixelma | s/something/a new feature |
| 13:37:26 | pixelma | JdGordon: you caused the bugs, learn to take responsibility even if it is "no fun" |
| 13:37:47 | JdGordon | *wink* |
| 13:38:28 | pixelma | what do you want to tell me with that? |
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| 13:48:11 | pixelma | nothing it seems |
| 13:53:37 | TheSeven | "5.13 UNCONTROLLED POWER OFF |
| 13:53:37 | TheSeven | The uncontrolled power off means a situation when e.g. there is removed a battery without the controlled power off |
| 13:53:38 | TheSeven | sequence. There will not be any damages for the display module or the display module will not cause any damages for the |
| 13:53:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TheSeven |
| 13:53:38 | TheSeven | host or lines of the interface. At an uncontrolled power off the display will go blank and there will not be any visible effects |
| 13:53:38 | TheSeven | on the display." |
| 13:53:47 | TheSeven | that doesn't seem to hold true for the one I got :) |
| 13:54:45 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Did I break your ipod?? |
| 13:54:52 | TheSeven | nope |
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| 13:55:20 | thefirstM | OK, good. I thought maybe you were playing around with the display because of what I asked and broke it. |
| 13:55:31 | TheSeven | but if i power that one down without clearing it first, the display contents remain partially on the lcd for several minutes until they slowly fade away (which won't do the lcd any good) |
| 13:55:44 | thefirstM | Mine is the same way. |
| 13:55:56 | TheSeven | my display is quite broken anyway, but not because of playing around with it |
| 13:56:12 | TheSeven | looks like the framebuffer RAM of the controller has like 20 bad cells |
| 13:56:22 | thefirstM | yuck! |
| 13:56:41 | JdGordon | anyone want to test this progressbar patch? |
| 13:57:37 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I was looking at the LCD driver again, and I think that once I know how to read the TE signal, I can probably vsync the display, at least for lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect(). |
| 13:57:54 | thefirstM | I still don't understand lcd_blit_yuv() |
| 13:58:41 | thefirstM | Finding out how to read it is still being a problem, since I am not familiar with the architecture. |
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| 15:50:47 | JdGordon | bieber: the parser doesnt strip whitespace at the end of text params?! |
| 15:51:04 | JdGordon | that is slightly annoying, can it be fixed please? |
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| 16:13:39 | CIA-9 | New commit by jdgordon (r27821): A bunch of new features for the bar type tags (%pb, %pv, %bl, etc): ... |
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| 16:15:55 | CIA-9 | r27821 build result: All green |
| 16:17:16 | JdGordon | bieber: sorry :) ^ |
| 16:23:17 | JdGordon | mc2739: wishful thinking mostly... is FS #11349 still an issue? |
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| 16:44:22 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: hey, thanks. some icons seem wrong though |
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| 16:51:59 | TheSeven | thefirstM: I had a quick look into this, and none of the external ints on the 2g seems to be sued |
| 16:52:01 | TheSeven | used* |
| 16:53:39 | TheSeven | and apparently the tearing effect line setting in the lcd controller has an effect on GPIO ports 8 and 10, bit 0 (on both) |
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| 17:10:43 | TheSeven | thefirstM: while (vsync && !(PDAT(8) & 1)); does the trick, but wastes significant amounts of cpu time |
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| 17:12:06 | TheSeven | and you'll have to do a s5l_lcd_write_cmd(0x35); s5l_lcd_write_data(0); on initialization |
| 17:14:40 | TheSeven | I used this for testing: http://pastebin.com/FmR9gbRm |
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| 17:26:09 | amiconn | Most targets can't sync to lcd anyway. Even if the controller does have a status register (some don't), it's often not possible to read it |
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| 17:31:40 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Thank you! I am guessing that the "s5l_lcd_write_cmd(0x35); s5l_lcd_write_data(0);" part turns on the TE line? Would turning this on without using it cause any harm? |
| 17:32:04 | TheSeven | no, you can just add that |
| 17:32:13 | kugel | gevaerts: I'm trying to think of a title for the application porting wiki page |
| 17:32:26 | TheSeven | might reduce you battery life by a second :P |
| 17:32:31 | gevaerts | kugel: ah, right. The hardest problem of all! |
| 17:33:29 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I am not really concerned about that. If I was, I wouldn't have overclocked the s5l8701 to 250mHz O.o |
| 17:36:48 | gevaerts | thefirstM: I have to ask. Why? |
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| 17:37:13 | thefirstM | Because I can. And to make doom run faster. |
| 17:38:28 | kugel | gevaerts: :( |
| 17:39:14 | gevaerts | thefirstM: you can also underclock it, so "because I can" is not a reason! |
| 17:39:24 | Beta2K | 250mhz? |
| 17:39:29 | thefirstM | Yep. |
| 17:39:38 | Beta2K | Isn't the Gigabeat the only target that comes even close to that fast? |
| 17:39:51 | thefirstM | The Nano2G runs at 192mHz by default. |
| 17:40:34 | Beta2K | Hrm, something to compete with :) |
| 17:40:42 | gevaerts | Beta2K: Gigabeat F runs at 300MHz, and the AMS Sansas run at 250MHz |
| 17:41:40 | gevaerts | And the Gigabeat S runs at 528MHz, but I'm not sure how fast we run it these days. It used to be at half speed |
| 17:41:54 | Beta2K | gevaerts: Been away from RB too long, at last check most other targets were PP based and all topped out about 180Mhz |
| 17:42:03 | gevaerts | PP runs at 80MHz |
| 17:42:26 | Beta2K | Oye |
| 17:42:36 | gevaerts | They're not the same core though, so you can't directly compare those numbers |
| 17:43:18 | Beta2K | the PP's are dual cored in some fassion aren't they? |
| 17:43:49 | kugel | gevaerts: pages can be renamed right? |
| 17:43:57 | gevaerts | I think so |
| 17:44:04 | gevaerts | Beta2K: they're dual core, yes |
| 17:44:18 | thefirstM | That's correct. |
| 17:44:29 | thefirstM | What? nevermind. Sorry. |
| 17:52:15 | amiconn | gevaerts: The beast adapts automatically these days |
| 17:52:40 | gevaerts | Ah, ok. I knew there had been changes... |
| 17:52:59 | amiconn | Max. clock is 528MHz |
| 17:53:29 | thefirstM | I have got to get myself one of those Beasts someday... |
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| 18:03:15 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I inserted those statements into the initialization function for the Type 1/7 LCD, but the "View I/O Ports" page doesn't list GPIO 8 and GPIO 10 reads 0xFE all the time. Is it just changing too fast for the display to be updated? |
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| 18:05:33 | thefirstM | Also, GPIO 10 goes from 0xFE to 0xF8 if I flip the Hold switch. |
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| 18:07:40 | thefirstM | Nevermind, If I watch for long enough it goes to 0xFF for very short amounts of time. I think I have it now. Thanks! |
| 18:08:05 | will_ | There is a broken link (to a zip file) on the CodecPerformanceComparison page: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 18:08:08 | will_ | The link is in the line with this text: Download the encoder pack here which contains CLI encoders |
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| 18:49:07 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Where is the PDAT() macro defined at? I can't find it anywhere. |
| 18:49:24 | TheSeven | it's probably just PDAT8 in rockbox |
| 18:49:35 | thefirstM | I tried that too. |
| 18:49:36 | TheSeven | should also be in s5l8700.h |
| 18:49:51 | TheSeven | if not, add it similar to the oter ones |
| 18:50:08 | TheSeven | you could also just try PDAT10 |
| 18:51:10 | thefirstM | PDAT10 works, thanks. I guess PDAT8 just isn't defined. |
| 18:54:04 | thefirstM | It works!!!! Thank you so much, TheSeven! You are great :) |
| 18:55:23 | TheSeven | now implement LCD DMA, yield while waiting for the sync, and make the games use double buffering :9 |
| 18:55:25 | TheSeven | :)* |
| 18:56:00 | thefirstM | I will work on it. I can program in C pretty well, but I don't have much experience on bare hardware like this. |
| 18:56:51 | mc2739 | JdGordon: (logs) behavior described in FS #11349 is still occurring with r27822 |
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| 19:02:46 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: Let me know what icons you would like changed, and, to what. |
| 19:03:43 | S_a_i_n_t | The curren't Tango! iconset doesn't accurately reflect the one that the cabbie iconset is built on, and some of the ones in the cabbie iconset are just plain wrong considering their usage. |
| 19:03:57 | thefirstM | TheSeven: Do you mind if I open up a patch for Nano2G vsync in FlySpray? I will give you credit, of course. |
| 19:04:03 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. "questionmark" is a lighbulb...I mean, what?!? |
| 19:04:13 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: ^ |
| 19:04:36 | S_a_i_n_t | In my iconset it's a questionamrk at least :P |
| 19:06:31 | TheSeven | thefirstM: go ahead :) |
| 19:06:52 | thefirstM | Will do. |
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| 19:09:37 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: whether they're wrong or not doesn't really matter now, it should be compatible with the existing iconset. Fixing the existing iconset is a separate topic |
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| 19:16:03 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel; What needs changing? |
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| 19:25:15 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: I think it's pretty obvious if you directly compare the icons in svn with your image |
| 19:25:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, no...it isn't...and its perception based obviously. |
| 19:25:56 | S_a_i_n_t | svn icons make no sense for a lot of them. |
| 19:26:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Its a lot better to say "I would like to chage X, Y and Z" than say "You figure it out" |
| 19:26:48 | kugel | yea, possibly. let me try to describe/explain then |
| 19:29:03 | S_a_i_n_t | A lot of the icons that may look "wrong" comparing the two, you'll probably never see...there a quite a few unused icons (from my experience) in the svn set these days. |
| 19:31:05 | kugel | let me start with those which I think are fine: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 25, 26, 30, 31 |
| 19:31:32 | S_a_i_n_t | (not too shabby) ;) |
| 19:33:02 | kugel | have you actually tried the icons? (just reminding you you can use the sdl app for that) |
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| 19:33:44 | S_a_i_n_t | building it now, but I'm building a bunch of things in a long list...so it may take a while. |
| 19:34:02 | kugel | 4 is used for "resume playback" IIRC, the while and narrow arrow doesn't really fit there |
| 19:34:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Nope. |
| 19:34:22 | S_a_i_n_t | 4 is "cursor" |
| 19:34:44 | S_a_i_n_t | I can send you a list of what does what if you want... |
| 19:34:55 | kugel | yea sure |
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| 19:36:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm confused by 9 being wrong...same in SVN. |
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| 19:39:32 | S_a_i_n_t | 11 is the same in SVN also. |
| 19:39:55 | S_a_i_n_t | as is 22/23 |
| 19:40:30 | S_a_i_n_t | icon assignment list is here: http://imgur.com/S7t33.png |
| 19:41:57 | S_a_i_n_t | If you look at the icon, compared to the meaning...some are....odd, in svn. |
| 19:42:18 | kugel | possibly |
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| 19:44:09 | S_a_i_n_t | clone4crw: (from your discussion in #rockbox-community) |
| 19:44:11 | S_a_i_n_t | [05:28] <clone4crw> So its going to take someone manually updating all the themes for the next stable release? |
| 19:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Why would this need to happen? |
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| 19:44:51 | S_a_i_n_t | the themes (on the themesite) already work with the current build, and as such, with the next release. |
| 19:45:32 | S_a_i_n_t | The release build 3.6 even has its own dedicated themesite until the next release. |
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| 19:46:49 | soap | kugel, the change from long play to power should be in the ML logs. |
| 19:47:05 | soap | IIRC Llorean was a strong proponent of the change. |
| 19:47:12 | kugel | I remember, yes :) |
| 19:49:32 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: leave a not here with icon numbers you think should definitely be changed, and, if possible...what you would prefer them changed to and I shall retrieve it from the logs when I wake up. |
| 19:49:43 | S_a_i_n_t | ~6am here, with a big day ahead ;) |
| 19:50:07 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: ok, might take a while, I need to finish up a doc for gsoc first |
| 19:50:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Cool. |
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| 20:17:36 | funman | saratoga: any idea what we should do if we disable reboot on USB plug for the Sansa AMSv2 ? I was thinking of displaying a message asking to reboot manually |
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| 20:38:31 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: ping |
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| 20:43:10 | wodz | May I ask to review FS #11534? Currently in recscreen changing volume as well as gain is done in 0.1dB steps. Many (most?) codecs use different steps internally and this steps are defined in audiohw_settings[]. Propsed patch uses this info and inc/dec volume/gain by 'native' step. |
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| 21:18:17 | soap | What is the advantage of going in native steps vs consistent steps? |
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| 21:31:22 | balintx | will rockbox on android support 320x240 resolutions? |
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| 21:33:17 | kugel | which device has that? |
| 21:33:58 | kugel | balintx: the android port works for any resolution. the only problem is the default theme which needs to be adapted to each |
| 21:34:22 | balintx | vodafone 845 android2.1 |
| 21:34:56 | kugel | that looks like 240x320 though |
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| 21:35:13 | fdinel | .org |
| 21:35:31 | fdinel | woops, sorry :shy: |
| 21:35:55 | balintx | I sadly saw that there is not a build for it :/ |
| 21:36:16 | balintx | but maybe later |
| 21:37:10 | kugel | 240x320 is not uncommon, I'm sure there will be a built for it |
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| 21:38:15 | balintx | RB team work is great |
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| 22:37:18 | pat61 | Hey, I have a question/problem. |
| 22:39:14 | gevaerts | It's easier to answer those if we know what they are :) |
| 22:39:32 | pat61 | I was wondering if someone was here before I asked lol |
| 22:40:34 | balintx | "# Don't "ask to ask". If you come in and ask your question, people will see it and help if they can. If you come in and ask, "can I ask a question?", nobody will want to bother asking what the real question is and you may have just lost important assistance. The channel is open to questions and you do not need to get permission to ask them. This is also intended to cover the general "Does anyone...; Is anyone...; etc" questions. " |
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| 22:42:40 | Pat61_ | sorry, internet went down |
| 22:42:47 | Pat61_ | did you get the question? |
| 22:43:00 | gevaerts | no |
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| 22:44:21 | Pat61_ | Ok |
| 22:44:33 | Pat61_ | When I start to install rockbox and I pick where my sansa is located it doesnt show up, because it is under "Portable Device". |
| 22:44:49 | Pat61_ | Not a drive like c:/ or f:/ etc... |
| 22:45:23 | balintx | switch usb mode |
| 22:45:57 | gevaerts | There's a setting on the sansa somewhere that you have to set properly (to MSC). The rockbox manual should tell you which one exactly |
| 22:46:10 | balintx | msc mode |
| 22:46:18 | gevaerts | balintx: it |
| 22:46:19 | Pat61_ | Ok |
| 22:46:26 | gevaerts | is it named the same on *all* sansas? |
| 22:46:43 | balintx | in my Fuze there is MTP or MSC mode |
| 22:47:03 | balintx | MTP is named MTP everywhere. I think MSC too |
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| 22:47:27 | gevaerts | IIRC at least on the e200R they're called somthing else |
| 22:47:37 | Pat61_ | I got it |
| 22:47:39 | Pat61_ | thanks guys |
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| 23:06:05 | Pat61_ | How would one go about changing the main background of rockbox with the menues and such, to another picture? |
| 23:08:06 | perfectdrug | hey kugel, I just spotted a typo in your PortingApplication wiki page, but it tells me you are editing this page right now so I let you know directly: the first sentence after Requirements lags a word, I think you are missing a "been" so it should be "Because Rockbox has always _been_ an OS[...]" |
| 23:09:35 | kugel | yes, I'm not finished yet |
| 23:09:57 | kugel | I just save from time to time, because it's such a big document and my pc already crashed once :/ |
| 23:10:48 | perfectdrug | no problem, thanks for your work it was really exciting to see your progress during gsoc:) |
| 23:11:13 | perfectdrug | GSoC |
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| 23:28:04 | kugel | perfectdrug: it was really exciting for me too :) |
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| 23:51:06 | kugel | so, I think I have written down all my knowledge to PortingApplication. It would be nice if someone could read over it and tell me if it lacks information |
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| 23:52:31 | thefirstM | TheSeven: I have been working more on nano2g vsync. I tried yield()ing in the while loop waiting for sync, but that just made the GUI very laggy while music was playing without having any other noticeable effect. Is there some other method of yielding that I don't know about? |
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