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| 00:15:39 | S_a_i_n_t | is http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100817 broken for anyone else? |
| 00:15:54 | S_a_i_n_t | The page displays, but, no logs. :/ |
| 00:16:12 | Jennifur | it works |
| 00:16:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm...all the other pages work for me in Chrome except for todays. |
| 00:16:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll try IE8 |
| 00:17:33 | Jennifur | i'm using opera |
| 00:21:04 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm, todays log works for me in IE8 but not Chrome. |
| 00:21:17 | S_a_i_n_t | *weird* |
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| 00:24:39 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley; The answer to you "why do animations run quicker when there is user input?" is because a buttonpress triggers a fullscreen update. |
| 00:25:02 | S_a_i_n_t | So you're forcing the screen to update more frequently than it normally would. |
| 00:25:30 | mamarley | Thanks. The thing I was mainly wondering about was the disk activity indicator on your theme, I noticed that it ran much more slowly when I wasn't pressing a button. |
| 00:26:41 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, it alternates at 0.1 second intervals...so due to a buttonpress triggering a fullscreen update scrolling through a list will make it alternate *much* more smoothly. |
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| 00:27:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Is there anything you think I should change/implement on that theme? I'll take any critique, good or "bad". |
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| 00:29:06 | mamarley | The only thing I noticed was a conflict between the disk activity indicator and the play/pause indicator. If I remember correctly, the OF only displays the disk activity indicator when the iPod is plugged in, but I might be remembering wrong. |
| 00:29:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, you're correct...but I thought it needed a disk access icon in all screen instead of just in the USB screen. |
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| 00:30:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I put in where it is, because that is its position in the USB screen. |
| 00:30:52 | amiconn | Oh my... more jpg bugs |
| 00:30:58 | S_a_i_n_t | On a flash target, it never runs for too long...I find it quite cool actually. |
| 00:31:31 | S_a_i_n_t | On the iPod Video theme I am making I might add an option to disable it...but I'm not sure yet. |
| 00:32:14 | mamarley | I like it very much though. |
| 00:32:21 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: Is there anything else? |
| 00:32:49 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm rather keen to see how it looks with aliased fonts...if you could take a screenshot I would appreciate it. |
| 00:33:04 | mamarley | No, not until there is support for fancy sliding transitions. ;) |
| 00:33:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Hehe, as soon as I can do it...I will ;) |
| 00:33:35 | mamarley | Sure (about the screenshot.) How do I to that? |
| 00:35:41 | S_a_i_n_t | go to System - Debug - Screendump and press Select. you'll get a splash saying "Screendump Enabled", then when you plug in to USB it will capture a screenshot and save it to root instead of connecting via USB. |
| 00:36:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Then, when you want to connect via USB, go to the screendump setting again and "Select" it again to disable it. |
| 00:36:35 | S_a_i_n_t | (you'll get another splash saying it is disabled) |
| 00:36:51 | mamarley | Great! When I did that, I got "*PANIC* Stkov usb" |
| 00:37:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah....that's right. |
| 00:37:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I forgot about that bug...sorry. |
| 00:38:09 | * | mamarley 's iPod was crashed by S_a_i_n_t! |
| 00:38:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Do you find you often get *PANIC* Stkov NAND? |
| 00:38:15 | mamarley | No. |
| 00:38:27 | mamarley | And it is fine, I have iLoader so I don't get the WSoD. |
| 00:38:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm, what capacity is your Nano? |
| 00:38:50 | mamarley | Wait, I guess the Panic screen is a WSoD. My nano is 4gb. |
| 00:39:33 | TheSeven | mamarley: WSoD = usually the "Use iTunes to restore" crap |
| 00:39:58 | mamarley | I know. |
| 00:40:23 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: I've never seen a stkov nand either |
| 00:40:28 | mamarley | But the panic screen technically is a WSoD. By the way, I love iLoader. It is extremely fast and error-less. |
| 00:40:38 | mamarley | Thanks for writing it. |
| 00:41:25 | TheSeven | there will be a new release soon :) |
| 00:41:34 | mamarley | What new features will there be? |
| 00:41:49 | mamarley | Or is it just a bugfix release? |
| 00:41:52 | TheSeven | it will mostly be featuring easier (un)installation, and better file i/o handling for themes |
| 00:42:05 | TheSeven | but it will be a tiny bit slower |
| 00:42:41 | TheSeven | integrating emBIOS will be great for developers though :) |
| 00:43:01 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders what emBIOS is... |
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| 00:45:03 | TheSeven | an os kernel, hardware abstraction layer, standard library, and debugger |
| 00:45:23 | TheSeven | this will be replacing ibugger |
| 00:45:54 | mamarley | TheSeven: Any news on the nano2g vsync interrupt? |
| 00:45:59 | TheSeven | nope |
| 00:46:28 | * | mamarley hates busywaiting :) |
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| 00:47:33 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: The reason I asked about *PANIC* Stkov NANDs is because I had to change the nand stack size to [0x1000] to not get it to *PANIC* whilst doing simple things like browsing the menu, or loading a theme. |
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| 00:47:57 | S_a_i_n_t | It may have just randomly fixed itself though, perhaps I don't need it that high anymore. |
| 00:48:18 | mamarley | I haven't had any Stkov NANDs except for awhile back when the EABI compiler caused them. I think you fixed that though. |
| 00:48:27 | mamarley | What does Stkov mean? |
| 00:48:30 | TheSeven | stack overflow |
| 00:48:37 | S_a_i_n_t | "Stack Overflow" |
| 00:48:48 | mamarley | Ah. |
| 00:48:50 | amiconn | Stkov usb on screendump? I haven't seen that on any target so far |
| 00:49:28 | TheSeven | 2048 sector size + on-stack sector buffers in the FAT code :/ |
| 00:49:46 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: On my Nano2Gs it just crashes to a white screen...without printing an error. |
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| 00:50:01 | mamarley | Could that be worked around by making the stack bigger? |
| 00:50:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I have not tried it recently, however. |
| 00:50:11 | amiconn | I know. An intermediate fix would be to increase the problematic stacks |
| 00:50:42 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: That is exactly what I have done...more than doubled the nand stack, but it is a workaround...not a fix. |
| 00:50:49 | n1s | amiconn: that's one of those "temporary" fixes that tend to stick around ;/ |
| 00:51:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, you meant the USB stack. |
| 00:51:10 | mamarley | Yes. |
| 00:52:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Where is the USB stack size defined for the Nano2G? |
| 00:52:10 | amiconn | n1s: I'm not a fan of temporary workarounds, but sometimes there is no real choice |
| 00:52:54 | mamarley | Me neither. |
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| 00:52:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd be happy to test to see how large it needs to be without *PANIC*ing |
| 00:53:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure where the nand stack is defined though. |
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| 00:58:20 | mamarley | I don't know where it is defined either. I am not even sure I would recognize it if I saw it. |
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| 01:11:43 | TheSeven | usbcore.c IIRC |
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| 02:24:04 | kugel | mamarley: I had a look at chopper too once |
| 02:24:21 | kugel | IIRC I noticed you cannot make it more smooth without making it faster as well |
| 02:24:39 | kugel | because the game speed starts very low (at 3 or so) |
| 02:24:53 | mamarley | In my patch it starts at 2. |
| 02:25:00 | mamarley | Any lower, and it is just too slow/easy. |
| 02:25:29 | kugel | I went for fixed point math approach, but I couldn't yet manage to keep the game balance entirely the same |
| 02:26:22 | mamarley | I'm not sure what you mean... Did you also write a patch? |
| 02:26:34 | kugel | uhm, yes, but I've never posted it anywhere |
| 02:26:50 | mamarley | Oh, that's why I didn't know about it. |
| 02:27:05 | mamarley | I am not sure how to used fixed point math, though. |
| 02:27:06 | kugel | doesn't it increase the X speed by 1 after a few ticks? if yes, then you basically can't make it smoother without altering the balance and without fixed point math |
| 02:27:44 | mamarley | It does increase X speed. |
| 02:28:30 | mamarley | All I did was remove the CYCLETIME and adjust some other things to make it as close as I could to the original. |
| 02:28:43 | kugel | ah right, here: if (chopCounter == 100){ iPlayerSpeedX++; |
| 02:29:18 | kugel | you can't decrease chopCounter because X++ is the minimum possible increase (without fp) |
| 02:29:35 | mamarley | Yeah. I changed that to 1000 or 600 (depending on screen size) to compensate for the greater speed. |
| 02:30:20 | kugel | well, I've maybe overlooked something, one reason why I never posted the patch :) (I also stopped playing chopper :P) |
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| 02:33:51 | mamarley | What was that reason? |
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| 02:36:26 | [Saint] | mamarley: If you decreased the starting speed of your patch, it would be a lot better IMO |
| 02:36:32 | kugel | I couldn't get it to work without altering the game balance |
| 02:36:40 | [Saint] | then, I'd say it would have a chance of being committed. |
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| 02:37:16 | mamarley | I would like to decrease the starting speed some, but decreasing it to 1 (from its current 2) makes it way too slow. |
| 02:38:12 | mamarley | I guess I could remove the multiplier that is used for normal mode and set another distinct value. Let me try that. |
| 02:38:49 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: decreasing it from 2 to one should be sufficient. |
| 02:39:14 | mamarley | The multiplier or the starting speed? |
| 02:39:42 | S_a_i_n_t | starting speed |
| 02:40:14 | mamarley | I personally think that is too slow. It is slower than the start speed for an unpatched version. |
| 02:40:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh...does it take a decimal value? |
| 02:40:33 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. 1.5? |
| 02:40:38 | mamarley | Nope. Ints only. |
| 02:40:46 | mamarley | Believe me, I wish ARM had a FPU. |
| 02:45:24 | TheSeven | there are some that have |
| 02:45:43 | TheSeven | but afaik none of the rockbox targets (except maybe raaa) |
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| 02:49:06 | JdGordon| | doesnt the beast? |
| 02:51:43 | Torne | the beast has vfpv2, yes |
| 02:52:10 | Torne | isn't the nano2g an arm11? |
| 02:52:24 | mamarley | No, it is ARM940T. |
| 02:52:50 | mamarley | The nano3g is ARM11, I think. Not sure, though. |
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| 02:53:30 | kugel | arm11 doesn't necessarily mean fpi, does it? |
| 02:53:34 | kugel | fpu* |
| 02:53:35 | S_a_i_n_t | with the keymaps...what is the third value in the tables for? ie. { ACTION_STD_FOO, BUTTON_FOO|BUTTON_BAR, BUTTON_BORK }, |
| 02:53:39 | S_a_i_n_t | what is "BUTTON_BORK"? |
| 02:53:58 | kugel | pre-condition |
| 02:54:04 | JdGordon| | not a real button :p |
| 02:54:11 | kugel | i.e. what buttons have to be pressed one tick before |
| 02:54:14 | Torne | kugel: technically no, the vfp11 cell is optional |
| 02:54:26 | Torne | kugel: but in practise every arm11 based SoC or device i've ever seen has it |
| 02:54:56 | kugel | that's my experience too |
| 02:54:57 | S_a_i_n_t | I managed to swap quicksceen and the context menu for iPod *once*, but I can't seem to figure it out again. |
| 02:55:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I did it, then accidentally reverted it. |
| 02:55:14 | S_a_i_n_t | And I don't remember what I did :( |
| 02:55:19 | Torne | kugel: ARM allow for a lot of configurations that nobody even makes, let alone one that nobody uses |
| 02:55:42 | Torne | kugel: there's loads of permutations of ARMv7 floating point that just don't even exist, you can't configure ARM's macrocells to emit them ;) |
| 02:55:53 | Torne | someone could make them in theory but they won't |
| 02:56:12 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: in your example, to execute ACTION_STD_FOO, you need at tick X BUTTON_FOO and BUTTON_BAR to be pressed at the same time, but at tick X-1 BUTTON_BORK (pressumably impossible to do) |
| 02:56:49 | mamarley | OK, I just updated my chopper patch to slightly decrease the starting speed in normal mode. It used to be 2*2=4, now it is 3. |
| 02:57:29 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: { ACTION_STD_FOO, BUTTON_FOO|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_BORK }, is a better example...signifying that FOO needs to be held. |
| 02:57:55 | S_a_i_n_t | (that was what BAR was supposed to be, but I forget that would mean "press both at once" |
| 02:58:00 | S_a_i_n_t | +) |
| 02:58:47 | kugel | BUTTON_FOO and BUTTON_BORK are still different buttons, it still seems impossible :) |
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| 03:00:01 | S_a_i_n_t | real example: (edited to suit) "{ ACTION_STD_CONTEXT, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_MENU }" |
| 03:00:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I was wondering what the last value was, "BUTTON_MENU" |
| 03:00:26 | kugel | and that doesn't work? |
| 03:00:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Don't know yet. |
| 03:00:51 | S_a_i_n_t | I messed up the end value...that's why I was wondering what it was. |
| 03:00:59 | kugel | well, after some ticks BUTTON_REPEAT is added to the current button (I don't know the exact number) if you held it for a while |
| 03:01:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I forget to swap the last value around, as well as the buttons. |
| 03:01:39 | kugel | BUTTON_MENU as precondition means that one tick before BUTTON_REPEAT was added BUTTON_MENU was the only button (which is true for 99.999999% of the time) |
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| 03:02:20 | S_a_i_n_t | I need to recompile it now....in other news, my efforts to add more colours to "lamp.rock" was entirely successful. \o/ |
| 03:02:50 | S_a_i_n_t | I now have white, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, and black. |
| 03:02:54 | kugel | the pre-condition makes sense where you have different actions on a short and long press |
| 03:03:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, right...I get it now....*kinda* |
| 03:03:28 | S_a_i_n_t | If my changes don't work this time, I shall harrass an expert. |
| 03:03:30 | kugel | e.g. BUTTON_X|BUTTON_REL will only a trigger a short press, because in a long press the button value would be BUTTON_X|BUTTON_REPEAT|BUTTON_REL |
| 03:04:09 | kugel | likewise, BUTTON_REPEAT in the pre-condition will never trigger on a short press |
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| 03:05:00 | S_a_i_n_t | All I'm trying to do is make "Menu == Context Menu" and "Select == Quickscreen" |
| 03:06:11 | kugel | "{ ACTION_STD_CONTEXT, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_MENU }" and "{ ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN, BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_SELECT }" should work fine |
| 03:06:31 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, that is what I have...*now* |
| 03:06:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I missed the precondition last time. |
| 03:07:31 | kugel | IIUC the pre-condition shouldn't matter in these cases (if they're BUTTON_NONE, if they're a real button they might indeed mess up things) |
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| 03:29:30 | mamarley | S_a_i_n_t: Can you try my updated chopper patch? |
| 03:30:26 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: Not right this second, but, yes. |
| 03:30:34 | mamarley | Ok. |
| 03:31:34 | mamarley | I am also considering setting the default start speed lower conditionally for the Gigabeats. I would also like it if somebody could try it on some of the Archoses. |
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| 03:42:46 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: Do you have a revised list of the icons you want me to change, and, have you been using the iconset on device yet? |
| 03:43:03 | kugel | not yte |
| 03:43:09 | kugel | yet* |
| 03:43:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, try it out...*then* tell me if anything needs changing. |
| 03:43:30 | S_a_i_n_t | errrr...please. |
| 03:45:50 | JdGordon| | anyway, a touch cabbie sbs would be very useful |
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| 03:50:36 | JdGordon| | kugel: also, can we set a root dir for the browser? |
| 03:57:24 | kugel | no |
| 03:57:37 | kugel | there was a short discussion, and it was disliked |
| 03:58:05 | kugel | but the consensus seemed to be to offer some user-settable shortcuts (e.g. <Music>) or so |
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| 04:00:39 | JdGordon| | when was this discussion? |
| 04:01:11 | BRi7X | howdy, does anyone know how to remove a ZIF ribbon from a zif hard disk? it feels like it won't come out when i tug on it... i'm afraid of ripping the ribbon, should i just go for it or what? |
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| 04:04:08 | S_a_i_n_t | BRi7X: Sometimes, there is a small lever, or catch...other times there is not, and it is just in there very snugly |
| 04:04:21 | JdGordon| | kugel: kugel iconset: /data/data/org.rockbox/rockbox/icons/icons.bmp should work no? |
| 04:04:26 | S_a_i_n_t | If there is no obvious catch, just give it some force, but, not too much. |
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| 04:05:40 | kugel | JdGordon|: /sdcard/rockbox/icons/foo.bmp should work as well, but I think it changes it back to the other path when saving settings (but that doesn't matter because it looks in /sdcard/rockbox first) |
| 04:06:14 | kugel | the settings code doesn't work with two directories for the filename settings (because it only saves the basename without path and extension in memory) |
| 04:06:51 | mc2739 | JdGordon|: in settings->theme settings->radio screen the current selected fms is not highlighted like wps and base. do you know what is needed to fix that? |
| 04:07:21 | JdGordon| | ask rasher, IIRC he made that work |
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| 04:07:40 | mc2739 | ok |
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| 04:08:04 | JdGordon| | does the yes/no screen not work at all in stylus mode? |
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| 04:13:33 | JdGordon| | victory is mine! |
| 04:13:53 | JdGordon| | manually copied S_a_i_n_t's icons into the data dir as tango_small.bmp :) |
| 04:14:23 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: yeah, they look good |
| 04:15:06 | JdGordon| | the "settings" menu has a - icon instead of the spanner/screwdriver thoguh |
| 04:15:40 | kugel | JdGordon|: it really should work under /sdcard/rockbox/icons, if not it's a bug |
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| 04:15:52 | JdGordon| | well sure |
| 04:17:34 | BRi7X | S_a_i_n_t, yeah i think i got it... but any way i have it inserted the Gigabeat S won't power the hard drive up |
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| 04:21:29 | BRi7X | if anyone's willing to trade me a ZIF hard drive for two 40GB IDE hdd's (for gigabeats). please, don't hesitate to message me. i'm desperate at this point! hah... ebay screwed me again (again). |
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| 04:45:48 | Nerdy3_14159265 | Hey everyone |
| 04:46:47 | Nerdy3_14159265 | I had a question about rockbox |
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| 04:47:53 | krazykit | but not anymore? |
| 04:48:00 | * | JdGordon| was too slow :) |
| 04:48:06 | Nerdy3_14159265 | grrr |
| 04:48:24 | Nerdy3_14159265 | I'd get you if I didn't have to ask you guys something |
| 04:48:48 | krazykit | well, it's much simpler to just ask rather than state the obvious :) |
| 04:48:58 | Nerdy3_14159265 | whatever |
| 04:49:00 | Nerdy3_14159265 | meanie |
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| 04:49:52 | Nerdy3_14159265 | I was wondering if there was a way to play an album in rockbox and then have it automatically play another from the same artist (or different if set) in the correct order |
| 04:50:25 | JdGordon| | of course |
| 04:51:16 | Nerdy3_14159265 | how then? |
| 04:51:55 | JdGordon| | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipod1g2g/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-640004.4 |
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| 04:54:41 | Nerdy3_14159265 | ummm, that doesn't seem to describe rockbox automatically selecting an album at random to play |
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| 04:57:05 | krazykit | sounds like you want random folder advance |
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| 05:00:33 | Nerdy3_14159265 | I tried that but that didn't work like I'd hope, my songs aren't in the correct order when playing |
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| 05:48:27 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: The "-" made sense to me more than the "spanner & screwdriver" as the "-" correlates to "submenu entered" and traditionally, in SVN cabbie icons, the "submenu" icon is a "+" |
| 05:49:10 | S_a_i_n_t | so, I figured, if submenu == +, then an icon representing the fact that you can go back one layer being a "-" made sense. |
| 05:49:12 | JdGordon| | yes, but the tools one is more obviously settings.. i tihnk |
| 05:49:27 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: but, it's not just for settings. |
| 05:49:33 | JdGordon| | I'm talking about "settings" in the top level menu |
| 05:49:33 | S_a_i_n_t | it's for all submenus |
| 05:50:02 | S_a_i_n_t | the + is "submenu", the "-" is "submenu entered". |
| 05:50:05 | JdGordon| | wouldnt it be nice if the icons wernt so random :) |
| 05:50:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I can show you the icon layout if you want. |
| 05:50:19 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. what icon is associated to what. |
| 05:51:19 | JdGordon| | na, irs fine, jjust thought the tools one would be better there |
| 05:51:27 | S_a_i_n_t | If I change it to reflect the "settings" icon being a spanner & screwdriver, then *all* submenus would have that icon...which would make less sense IMO |
| 05:51:28 | JdGordon| | otherwise it loks good |
| 05:51:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I understand what you're getting at though. |
| 05:52:03 | S_a_i_n_t | It's just that fixing one instance would "break" many others |
| 05:52:15 | S_a_i_n_t | (I *did* actually think about this ;)) |
| 05:52:29 | JdGordon| | suuure you did :D |
| 05:52:43 | S_a_i_n_t | ..|., |
| 05:52:46 | S_a_i_n_t | :P |
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| 07:16:46 | froggyman | why is the Gigabeat S listed as a functional port on the main wiki page, but unstable on the main page? |
| 07:22:57 | JdGordon| | different requirements? |
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| 08:52:13 | S_a_i_n_t | froggyman: "functional" could really mean anything, it's quite possible that it could be functional, *and* unstable. |
| 08:52:57 | S_a_i_n_t | functional probably just means "the parts that work, function as intended" |
| 08:54:14 | S_a_i_n_t | "Unstable" doesn't necessarily mean "not stable" but (by my perception of the main page) "some things may be missing" |
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| 09:03:29 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: ping? |
| 09:04:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Did you check if commenting/ifdef'ing out the codeblock I pointed out in pictureflow.c makes it run beter on your player? |
| 09:04:40 | S_a_i_n_t | (lines 1808, 1809, and 1810) |
| 09:05:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I ifdef'd !NANO/NANO_2G that block, and it runs fine again. |
| 09:11:25 | S_a_i_n_t | Apparently that section of code really improves visual quality on some targets (according to the tracker entry about it), so I can't really see another way of doing it than a big mess of ifdef's for the targets known to have problems with it. (Nano 1G and 2G, the target you mentioned...possibly/probably others) |
| 09:12:34 | S_a_i_n_t | If anyone can confirm whether pictureflow is running at radically reduced quality during playback, and on which target...it would be helpful. |
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| 10:45:27 | * | amiconn wonders whether S_a_i_n_t has a different pictureflow.c than he has |
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| 11:19:59 | JdGordon | here's a fun question... |
| 11:20:37 | JdGordon | would anyone have problems with replacing the c code for some screens (where it makes sense obviously) with hardcoded skin code? (so no disk access) |
| 11:20:54 | JdGordon | Bassically I'm talking about the time/date menu/screen thing which is entirely wasted code being in c |
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| 11:24:00 | n1s | JdGordon: will voce work? |
| 11:24:04 | n1s | voice* |
| 11:24:19 | JdGordon | voice doesnt work in that screen anyway |
| 11:24:49 | n1s | oh, well could it work with the skin stuff then? |
| 11:25:35 | JdGordon | of course, all it does it display the clock, but I could do the same in about 3 lines of 3 and the const char* to load |
| 11:25:48 | JdGordon | I think :p |
| 11:26:53 | n1s | are you talking about set_time_screen r am i way off? |
| 11:27:11 | n1s | s/ r/ or/ |
| 11:28:25 | JdGordon | way off |
| 11:28:37 | n1s | ok, where are you then? :) |
| 11:28:47 | JdGordon | the system > time & date |
| 11:29:00 | JdGordon | the top half |
| 11:29:39 | n1s | ah, so keep the looks and functionality but do the clock display with the skin engine? |
| 11:31:03 | JdGordon | yeah, and make it look better |
| 11:31:18 | n1s | i can't think why anyone would be against that if it simplifies the code and or makes it smaller |
| 11:31:49 | JdGordon | im sure someone will have an argument against :) |
| 11:32:54 | n1s | also, i would have expected that screen to announce the current time but this change will not prevent anyone from adding that, right? |
| 11:37:24 | JdGordon | nope |
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| 11:49:28 | u42p | hi, does someone have a use for a rio karma with broken volume up button and half-broken wheel? |
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| 11:59:43 | JdGordon | ah, that screen does talk... ACTION_STD_CONTEXT does it |
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| 12:20:16 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: What makes you say that? |
| 12:21:36 | S_a_i_n_t | apps/plugins/pictureflow/pictureflow.c, not apps/plugins/pictureflow.c |
| 12:21:56 | S_a_i_n_t | Does that make more sense now? |
| 12:22:52 | S_a_i_n_t | commenting/ifdef'ing out lines 1808 to 1810 fixes the lag issue for me. |
| 12:23:56 | S_a_i_n_t | apps/plugins/pictureflow.c is only ~30 lines long...so, I can understand if that caused confusion :P |
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| 13:03:55 | S_a_i_n_t | maraz: Do you mind if I add your real name to thetesting/thanks credits in the iLike theme for Nano1~2G? If so, what is it (PM me if you want)? If you'd rather not...that is cool also. |
| 13:04:08 | maraz | S_a_i_n_t: it reads in my whois. ;) |
| 13:04:17 | maraz | and no, I don't mind |
| 13:04:42 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm just trying to finish up some details of the theme before I update the theme on the themesite. |
| 13:05:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks :D |
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| 13:17:33 | amiconn | S_a_i_n_t: I do mean apps/plugins/pictureflow/pictureflow.c. The lines you suggest commenting out seem to be completely arbitrary |
| 13:17:58 | amiconn | The other pictureflow.c is the overlay loader for lowmem |
| 13:18:01 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: Try it, that is what the author suggests also. |
| 13:18:15 | S_a_i_n_t | It made a HUGE difference to the speed. |
| 13:18:38 | pixelma | maybe that's not the root of the problem then though? |
| 13:19:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, as long as it works...and until anyone finds the "real" problem, I'll continue using it. |
| 13:20:15 | * | S_a_i_n_t will find the FS# where the author suggests this is the problem. |
| 13:23:36 | S_a_i_n_t | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11387?string=pictureflow&project=1&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= |
| 13:23:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Ahhh..shit. |
| 13:23:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Sorry, long link. |
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| 13:26:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd be interested to see/hear of the results on your device with the same code commented out. |
| 13:27:35 | S_a_i_n_t | On my Nano1~2Gs, with that resync code removed it is still not running 100% compared to what it used to be like...but it is countless times better than the way it runs in current SVN. |
| 13:28:23 | S_a_i_n_t | No lag, just some slight graphical glitches, such as slight tearing in vertical lines while scrolling fast. |
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| 14:12:00 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: the change in pictureflow helped against audio dropouts on the fuze IIUC |
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| 14:25:33 | n1s | kugel: do you feel stronlgy about my proposed fuze keymap change? (as you seem to be the only regular that has voiced specific concerns) |
| 14:26:19 | kugel | no, not strongly. but I'm thinking we should consider the change for e200 too if we want consistency |
| 14:28:12 | pixelma | and the Clip probably? |
| 14:28:40 | pixelma | ah no, sorry |
| 14:29:16 | pixelma | that one has no wheel |
| 14:29:50 | n1s | the e200 keymap seems like a much more infected issue and since i don't have one it feels wrong to argue for changing it |
| 14:31:00 | JdGordon | stop on power for the e200 does make some sense |
| 14:31:14 | n1s | but i'll go ahead and do it for the fuze then and see if the users will riot |
| 14:31:38 | n1s | JdGordon: yes, i think stop on power is ok |
| 14:35:01 | kugel | pixelma: I think long play is unused on the clip, and stop is on power on it (which is only slightly less akward then on the fuze) so yes on the clip it would be a good idea also |
| 14:36:10 | JdGordon | just remeber the clip+ has slightly different keys |
| 14:36:15 | pixelma | I seem to remember I was a bit confused when trying a Clip+ recently |
| 14:36:38 | JdGordon | the "long play" is up in the lists |
| 14:37:03 | JdGordon | and nothing in the wps |
| 14:37:39 | pixelma | similar to the c200... long Play is still stop there. The only thing you lose is being able to stop in lists which you can on some targets |
| 14:38:21 | CIA-88 | New commit by mc2739 (r27835): Fix FS #11547 - When selecting radio skin the currently loaded skin is not hilighted when menu is entered |
| 14:40:36 | CIA-88 | r27835 build result: All green |
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| 14:53:55 | JdGordon | anyone want to try a patch which loads the wps and fms on demand instead of on boot? |
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| 14:59:01 | JdGordon | no noticable wps load difference on my CF-ed mini2g |
| 14:59:27 | mc2739 | I'll try it in a bit. link? |
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| 15:00:31 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/t4Tt8Q7T |
| 15:00:50 | JdGordon | if plugins dont build just do a make bin. It doesnt touch the apis so will work with svn codec/plugins |
| 15:02:01 | JdGordon | dont do it with a remote target though... it will crash :) |
| 15:02:12 | amiconn | Loading fms on demand sounds like a very bad idea on hdd targets |
| 15:03:38 | amiconn | (in fact loading anything on demand unless the action requires disk access anyway) |
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| 15:04:47 | JdGordon | I dont have a disk target so unless someone tries it and tells us how bad it is we will never know |
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| 15:06:36 | amiconn | No need to try and tell. It will cause a ~3 second delay on all 1.8" and 2.5" hdds and the H10 microdrive |
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| 15:07:09 | olejorgenb | there wouldn't happen to be a sandisk sansa clip+ _4gb_ owner here? :) |
| 15:07:12 | amiconn | It also means wasting battery if the user enters & exits the radio repeatedly |
| 15:07:24 | JdGordon | no it wouldnt |
| 15:07:27 | olejorgenb | I think I want the 4gb version, but the site only list the 2gb |
| 15:11:57 | u42p | olejorgenb: i think i am, let me check |
| 15:12:36 | u42p | yes |
| 15:13:10 | u42p | rockbox runs very well on it :) |
| 15:13:14 | olejorgenb | sweet, then I order that |
| 15:13:15 | olejorgenb | thanks |
| 15:13:25 | u42p | i dont think there is any difference except for the memory being bigger |
| 15:13:57 | olejorgenb | yup, it seems logical |
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| 15:14:53 | olejorgenb | do you get about the same battery life with rockbox? |
| 15:15:58 | u42p | no idea, it holds for ages |
| 15:16:29 | u42p | i plug it into my pc every 2-3 days, never had it even nearly 50% i think |
| 15:17:46 | olejorgenb | oh, the specs says 15h which is ok, but not ideal for eg. longer bike rides without recharge possibilitis |
| 15:18:02 | olejorgenb | I will do an experiment checking what firmware is best and report back :) |
| 15:18:27 | u42p | also check what codec needs the least cpu |
| 15:18:52 | u42p | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison |
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| 15:20:19 | u42p | i did run that but the output was borked |
| 15:21:22 | olejorgenb | will do that too |
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| 15:26:25 | JdGordon | is it likely gcc will optimize-out a function call which isnt having its return value used? |
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| 15:30:03 | u42p | i have this terrible fear of damaging my hearing or sending bad vibes to my brain when listening to low bitrate music via headphones. it is so crazy |
| 15:30:40 | n1s | JdGordon: if the called function is available when compiling the callee it should |
| 15:31:03 | n1s | (function defined in the same TU (file) |
| 15:31:12 | JdGordon | #gcc is telling me it shouldnt ever happen |
| 15:31:36 | JdGordon | I'm relying on the side effects so the call needs to happen :) |
| 15:32:12 | n1s | yeah the compiler will only remove a call if it can prove the function has no side effrects, forgot to mention that |
| 15:32:30 | n1s | which it can't prove if it doesn't have the fnction in the same TU |
| 15:32:34 | u42p | is there a abx plugin? |
| 15:32:51 | n1s | unless using LTO or if the function is declared with some attrivute IIRC |
| 15:32:58 | kugel | JdGordon: it will do that for "pure" functions |
| 15:33:12 | n1s | yeah, pure and const |
| 15:33:20 | kugel | gcc has some heuristics for detecting pure function, maybe it's failing for you |
| 15:33:27 | JdGordon | acronym fail :) I'll just accept a "no" |
| 15:34:12 | n1s | JdGordon: if the function you are calling has side effects (or can't be proven not to) the compiler cannot optimize out the call |
| 15:34:13 | JdGordon | ... the code is working fine in the sim so it is being comilied in, just wanted to make sure this is safe for future use |
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| 15:38:27 | kugel | maybe you can just remove the return type, then the function must have side effects |
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| 15:38:53 | JdGordon | that would absolutly break everything else :) |
| 15:39:07 | n1s | it's really nothing to worry about, it's a gcc bug if it deletes calls that has side effects |
| 15:39:57 | JdGordon | I now have a skin manager so instead of each skinned screen managin their own gui_wps structs (And associated crap) it just calls skin_get_gwps(skin, screen) which will load the skin if it isnt loaded already |
| 15:40:18 | n1s | when are the action preconditions used, they seem arbitrary in the fuze keymap |
| 15:40:29 | JdGordon | so what I'm doing is calling that for each skin + screen on init to make sure they all get loaded :) |
| 15:40:43 | JdGordon | n1s: for long presses and combos |
| 15:41:09 | JdGordon | also needed on short presses if the button is needed in a combo or long press |
| 15:41:52 | kugel | n1s: I explained them to S_a_i_n_t tonight, should be in the logs |
| 15:42:21 | n1s | kugel: what time? |
| 15:42:50 | n1s | found it |
| 15:44:27 | JdGordon | btw, ondemand loading should mean we can either shrink the skin buffer, or allow individual skins to be MUCH more image heavy :) |
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| 15:45:01 | JdGordon | totally wasted on non fm targets right now though :p |
| 15:45:07 | kugel | it means we cannot buffer_alloc it though |
| 15:45:09 | n1s | why is the precondition even needed for long presses? |
| 15:45:37 | JdGordon | kugel: not necessarily |
| 15:46:23 | kugel | not? i thought buffer_alloc works only on boot |
| 15:46:46 | n1s | also if it is needed for long presses we have a lot of incorrect entries |
| 15:47:14 | kugel | it's not really needed |
| 15:47:42 | JdGordon | kugel: if playback is stopped then we can use it, and this doesnt change anything there, it still loads the statically sized buffer on boot |
| 15:47:58 | JdGordon | we have more flexibility with this because we can intellegently manage the skin buffer |
| 15:48:43 | kugel | you can resize the audio buffer after buffering has been initialized? |
| 15:49:10 | JdGordon | no, but you can reinit audio, cant you? |
| 15:49:32 | kugel | uhm not sure |
| 15:49:36 | n1s | won't that INIT_ATTR stuff bite you then? |
| 15:49:41 | Torne | this reminds me, buffer_alloc doesn't actually check that it's safe to buffer_alloc |
| 15:49:44 | Torne | and i feel it should |
| 15:49:50 | Torne | but i'm not sure when it is safe |
| 15:49:58 | Torne | it's safe before audio_init() but is it safe at any time later? :) |
| 15:50:25 | JdGordon | Torne: IIRC pondlife did a patch which would panic if you tried calling it after audio_init() (or something like that) |
| 15:50:38 | kugel | n1s: INIT_ATTR is the smalled problem, someone just needs to remember to remove it if the function is needed later |
| 15:50:39 | JdGordon | bassically yes it is dangerous, but we dont really need to add the protection |
| 15:50:41 | Torne | well if that's the right logic then i think it should go in :) |
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| 15:50:43 | kugel | smallest* |
| 15:50:51 | Torne | i mean sure it's not vital |
| 15:51:04 | Torne | but it's not like it's a lot of code to do one flag check |
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| 16:03:13 | JdGordon | ok, we really should move the apps layer to c++! |
| 16:03:37 | JdGordon | I think this is the 4th fake-OO I've added :) |
| 16:06:14 | n1s | hmm stopping playback causes a "pop" in the headphones on the fuze |
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| 16:09:19 | n1s | hey cool, fm works while in usb mode :) |
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| 16:12:12 | n1s | which remids me of that fm requency drift on the c200... |
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| 16:30:12 | CIA-88 | New commit by nls (r27836): Small change to sansa fuze keymap. ... |
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| 16:31:34 | * | JdGordon kills off that blasted wps_sync_data struct :) |
| 16:32:00 | CIA-88 | r27836 build result: All green |
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| 16:34:00 | kugel | JdGordon: a skin manager would be nice, it would save a lot of code duplication which each skin has right now because it cannot be done by the skin engine currently (like the forced update when the lcd wakes up) |
| 16:34:16 | JdGordon | yes |
| 16:34:52 | JdGordon | thats what my patch does right now... |
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| 16:36:00 | JdGordon | call skin_do_full_update(CUSTOM_STATUSBAR, screen) to check if a full update should happen for that skin/screen, or call skin_request_full_update(CUSTOM_STATUSBAR) to make sure both screens do a full update next time |
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| 17:15:20 | kugel | the playback speed difference between my phone and fuzev2 is quite noticeable |
| 17:15:52 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: The Fuze seems to be the only target I know of presently that benefits from that addition then...everything else (speculation) seems to suffer from it. |
| 17:16:22 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps it needs to just be ifdef'd for the Fuze? |
| 17:16:47 | kugel | no, it doesn't benefit really, it also runs jerkily |
| 17:17:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah....it should probably just be removed then. |
| 17:17:21 | S_a_i_n_t | removing it makes my targets run PF at a decent speed again. |
| 17:17:21 | kugel | which brings the audio drop outs back :) |
| 17:17:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Not on my targets. |
| 17:17:58 | kugel | the priority of the loading thread doesn't make any sense to me |
| 17:18:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't want my targets to suffer because one has problems with audio. |
| 17:18:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano1G isn't exactly terribly powerful, and it seems to manage fine. |
| 17:18:43 | kugel | it has a very high priority (and therefore steals cpu time for audio); but most of the time it a) doesn't run at all or b) is blocked by file i/o |
| 17:19:13 | kugel | the audio drop outs might depend on the performance of the storage driver |
| 17:19:14 | n1s | kugel: that sounds bad indeed |
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| 17:19:54 | kugel | I say the yield should be removed and the priority lowered, even if it delays loading slides |
| 17:20:06 | S_a_i_n_t | an idea needs to be formed of what targets exactly actually benefit from the audio dropout/resync code...and which are suffering because of it. |
| 17:20:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano1 and 2G are definitely better without it. |
| 17:20:55 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: using a too high priority and then hacking in a workaround for some targets isn't very nice :) |
| 17:21:01 | kugel | hehe, raising the pitch by 1.1% makes the fuzev2 play at normal speed (keeping up with my phone) |
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| 17:22:45 | kugel | the idea of the loader thread was to allow the main thread to render the slides while new slides are being loaded (in another thread, so loading doesn't stall rendering). but the high priority defeats the purpose somewhat |
| 17:23:34 | n1s | imo, nothing should be such high priority that it can cause audio to drop out |
| 17:25:35 | kugel | I find it strange though that I can mange to stall audio completely even with very slow scrolling; the audio system can raise its priority on demand, to a higher priority than the pf loader thread |
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| 17:26:28 | kugel | I'm thinking that dynamic priority raising doesn't quite work as intended |
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| 18:36:52 | S_a_i_n_t | hehehehe...counting black and white, my lamp.rock now has 50 colours :P |
| 18:36:59 | S_a_i_n_t | overkill FTW! |
| 18:37:12 | [sko] | :D |
| 18:38:00 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: maybe we could let users select custom colors, we have a color picker widget already |
| 18:38:08 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll put the patch up on flyspray...but I have serious doubts about it getting added to SVN |
| 18:38:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, maybe not...dunno. |
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| 18:39:41 | S_a_i_n_t | white - 48 differing RGB combinations following ROYGBIV - black |
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| 18:41:03 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s: There is already colour picker logic for the .colours file |
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| 18:41:54 | S_a_i_n_t | So, it *shouldn't* be too hard to add...I was going to kludge this big colour patch in with the option to change the brightness on targets with the keys to be able to do so. |
| 18:42:04 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: yes, that's what i said... |
| 18:42:39 | n1s | idk if anyone cares about custom colours though |
| 18:43:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, yes...so it is, sorry. I read "if there was..." as opposed to "we have a" |
| 18:43:50 | CIA-88 | New commit by funman (r27837): AMSv2: don't reboot on USB plug ... |
| 18:43:51 | n1s | btw, what is the use case for colorrs in the lamp plugin? or is it just for fun? |
| 18:44:13 | S_a_i_n_t | personal preference, fun...pass. |
| 18:44:31 | S_a_i_n_t | I always wondered why there was red, but no other colour. |
| 18:44:34 | funman | n1s: when operating around people using telescopes, red light is preferred as it causes less disruption |
| 18:44:51 | S_a_i_n_t | So, I went on a mission to see how easy they were to add...turns out the answer is "very" |
| 18:45:00 | n1s | funman: and in warships! |
| 18:45:09 | S_a_i_n_t | submarines. |
| 18:45:17 | S_a_i_n_t | snipers use red light also. |
| 18:45:20 | pixelma | funman: red is already there on colour targets |
| 18:45:39 | funman | pixelma: not only |
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| 18:45:56 | n1s | ok, so we have a use case for red, i suppose blue is good for blinding people with too good nightvision? :) |
| 18:46:00 | CIA-88 | r27837 build result: All green |
| 18:46:01 | funman | won't people think of the mrobe?? :) |
| 18:46:03 | S_a_i_n_t | red is there on non colour targets too!?! :P |
| 18:46:07 | pixelma | and the M:Robe100 |
| 18:46:54 | S_a_i_n_t | hehehehe...this is awesome. |
| 18:47:13 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders how hard it would be to implement changing the brightness also. |
| 18:47:38 | n1s | to be clear i'm not against adding more colors, was just thinking aloud |
| 18:47:49 | n1s | or thinking in text rather |
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| 18:48:07 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s: Oh, sure...it's more a "just for fun thing" and more for me than anyone else ;) |
| 18:48:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll put it on the tracker, if anyone else gets a kick out of it, great. |
| 18:48:56 | pixelma | I can imagine people wanting a few more colours but can't imagine people want to cycle through all of them, so chosing the other colour and using it should stay separate IMO (maybe using up/down to select a new one and so left/right stays changing between white and the other colour |
| 18:49:15 | pixelma | or something similar |
| 18:49:47 | S_a_i_n_t | gah...keymaps != S_a_i_n_t's territory ;) |
| 18:50:21 | n1s | or implement a sort of virtual grid so you can select colors with all directions |
| 18:50:39 | n1s | also i always wanted Morse signaling in the flashlight |
| 18:50:51 | n1s | s/flashlight/lamp/ |
| 18:51:12 | S_a_i_n_t | One change I want to add, that is out of my league (which I'm wondering if some kind sould could help me with) is making lamp.rock ignore the idle timeout. |
| 18:51:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Is this possible? |
| 18:51:33 | n1s | yes |
| 18:51:58 | S_a_i_n_t | I like my idle timeout set low, but its annoying as hell when using lamp.rock |
| 18:52:16 | pixelma | I'd like one addition on the buttonlight targets - currently the plugin overrides backlight settings to get full brightness or in the case of greyscale/monochrome enabling the backlight if it is turned off, I wished it did the same with the buttonlight (not a brightness setting but enabling it). The buttonlight on the c200 is very bright and I usually turn it off but it probably makes some difference for lamp |
| 18:53:01 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: I have no buttonlight targets, but, I had wondered about that also. |
| 18:53:22 | * | n1s hands S_a_i_n_t grep and tells him to use it in apps/plugins and search for "idle poweroff" (for example) |
| 18:53:23 | pixelma | currently if the buttonlight is disabled, the plugin doesn't turn it on |
| 18:53:54 | S_a_i_n_t | really? |
| 18:53:59 | S_a_i_n_t | that...sucks. |
| 18:54:04 | S_a_i_n_t | and seems like a bug. |
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| 18:55:54 | pixelma | just forgotten probably, I even think I could figure that out but haven't gotten around to it yet |
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| 18:56:30 | S_a_i_n_t | plugins are reasonable new territory for me, so, I'm starting to play around with small things first. |
| 18:56:44 | S_a_i_n_t | baby steps, baby steps... |
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| 19:08:39 | * | pixelma wonders if it would make sense to simulate the buttonlight in the sims too and how complicated that would be |
| 19:10:27 | funman | i don't think it makes sense, but for debugging it would be enough to add a printf() in _buttonlight_on() and _buttonlight_off() |
| 19:11:13 | pixelma | probably enough |
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| 19:16:05 | pixelma | although people already complained about it stating "Hold on/off" and that was removed... maybe something for developing then only |
| 19:17:01 | S_a_i_n_t | speaking of the sis, "disk access" is something which is mising that drives me insane. |
| 19:17:09 | S_a_i_n_t | s/sis/sims/ |
| 19:17:26 | S_a_i_n_t | and, *missing...even. |
| 19:18:35 | S_a_i_n_t | The best I can do for testing in the sims is make the disk access icon/animation conditional to hold (or something similar with an on/off value) |
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| 19:38:18 | mamarley | What does it mean when you guys say "s/something/somethingelse"? |
| 19:38:41 | S_a_i_n_t | mamarley: s/mistake/correction/ |
| 19:39:06 | mamarley | Thanks! And sorry, I meant to post that in -community but clicked the wrong button. |
| 19:39:12 | n1s | it's a regular sed command! |
| 19:39:13 | S_a_i_n_t | "I have three eyes" |
| 19:39:18 | S_a_i_n_t | s/three/two/ |
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| 19:45:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm, IIUC if I want to tell RB that "no, we're not actually idle" I would use "rb->reset_poweroff_timer ();"? |
| 19:45:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, is there a better way to do this? |
| 19:47:58 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't want to add a menu option or anything to disable idle timeout, I just want the idle timeout to be disabled while running a particular plugin. |
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| 20:16:25 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: yes, call that reset function often enough so that the timeout never happens |
| 20:16:54 | S_a_i_n_t | "often enough"? |
| 20:17:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Shouldn't once be sufficient? |
| 20:17:02 | n1s | yes |
| 20:17:14 | n1s | nope, it just resets the timer |
| 20:17:24 | n1s | like a button press |
| 20:17:48 | n1s | you can of course just mess with the settings but don't forget to restore them on exit |
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| 20:18:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...shit, that's a bit beyond me. |
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| 20:18:51 | S_a_i_n_t | how can I make sure that rb->reset_poweroff_timer(); is called again before the timeout expires? |
| 20:19:03 | gevaerts | Temporarily changing settings from a plugin seems like a bad idea to me |
| 20:19:21 | Broam | Generally it is, simply because you could crash in the middle |
| 20:20:32 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: call it in whatever loop is waiting for buttons or something, it should have some kind of timeout |
| 20:22:01 | n1s | ah, it doesn't have a timeout at all, does that mean the call blocks until a button is pressed or that it retuns BUTTON_NONE immediately? |
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| 20:23:12 | S_a_i_n_t | basically, I just want lamp.rock to run until I exit the plugin...I've *no* idea how to achieve this. |
| 20:23:43 | Broam | S_a_i_n_t: you have a loop that waits for buttons, though - you can change the color with a button press. (assuming lamp.rock is the same one on my fuzev2 install) |
| 20:24:41 | Broam | or is this an interrupt? |
| 20:25:43 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: it uses button_get(true) which i think blocks until a button is pressed, you should change this to button_get_w_tmo so it times out and returns BUTTON_NONE and thus the loop continues and you can call the reset timer thingy |
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| 20:26:28 | gevaerts | Add a timeout to the button_get(), and handle the no button case (e.g. by doing nothing), and call your function after the switch block |
| 20:27:01 | Broam | that sounds right to me |
| 20:27:17 | | Part watto |
| 20:27:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Possibly due to the fact that its 7am...but, I just can't see what I'm supposed to be doing here. |
| 20:28:44 | gevaerts | You need to add exactly three lines of code :) |
| 20:28:44 | gevaerts | Sorry, add two, and change one |
| 20:28:44 | S_a_i_n_t | problem is, adding arbitrary code won't work ;) |
| 20:29:29 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: first of all, add a "case BUTTON_NONE:" somewhere where you think it looks nice and matches the furniture |
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| 20:30:17 | gevaerts | e.g. somewhere in the bunch of buttons that's not supposed to do anything |
| 20:31:45 | gevaerts | Then you add rb->reset_poweroff_timer(); right above the "} while (!quit)" line |
| 20:32:02 | gevaerts | (i.e. *after* the switch block, but inside the loop) |
| 20:32:26 | gevaerts | Then you're at the point that every time you press the nonexistent button it resets the timer |
| 20:32:27 | Broam | okay, one logical question - what's the timeout value? |
| 20:32:54 | gevaerts | IIRC the poweroff timer is in minutes, so 50 seconds or so seems to be a safe and not too small value |
| 20:33:11 | Broam | wouldn't it be safer to calculate it from the timer? |
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| 20:33:49 | Broam | I'm not that good at embedded programming. |
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| 20:34:53 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm *really* lost...if some kind sir or madam could pastebin something that "just works", I'd really appreciate it. I'm absolutely willing to admit that I'm out of my depth here...if its not a theme, I'm lost pretty much. |
| 20:35:04 | gevaerts | I'd say not. In the best case it won't make any measurable difference. Remember, this is the lamp plugin, one extra function call and run through the loop once a minute will make *zero* difference |
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| 20:36:17 | Broam | gevaerts: Right. The entire point of this plugin is to be a lamp: the screen is going to burn more power than a function call |
| 20:36:26 | gevaerts | slightly more, yes |
| 20:36:55 | gevaerts | So in this case I'd definitely go for the simple solution |
| 20:38:47 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: http://pastebin.com/jyNCutQ4 |
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| 20:38:53 | gevaerts | If you're lucky it compiles |
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| 20:39:22 | * | gevaerts can't be bothered to test that |
| 20:40:07 | S_a_i_n_t | gevaerts: thanks, I like to learn from looking at examples...I get totally fudged when I'm told "Add X to Y, then do Z" |
| 20:40:28 | S_a_i_n_t | And, if it doesn't compile...I'll be looking at my changes, not your I'd say ;) |
| 20:40:34 | S_a_i_n_t | *yours |
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| 21:04:29 | kugel | it looks like there's not much changes needed for a screen resolution independant build |
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| 21:05:06 | kugel | for most uses of LCD_WIDTH/_HEIGHT they can expand to a function call/global variable lookup |
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| 21:06:54 | gevaerts | Are there actually many of those left in the core? With the UI viewport things are dynamic anyway |
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| 21:08:34 | kugel | 50 in apps/, 400 in firmware (simply grepping LCD_HEIGHT) |
| 21:11:24 | gevaerts | firmware is going to be full of them. LCD drivers tend to use hardcoded values for some reason |
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| 21:13:02 | gevaerts | Most of the ones in apps/ (outside of plugins) seem to be irrelevant |
| 21:13:06 | kugel | over 200 of them are in the target tree |
| 21:13:39 | gevaerts | Recording, the debug menu, and the skin buffer size calculation aren't too interesting |
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| 21:20:45 | kugel | gevaerts: many of the places where it needs to be a #define is for setting buffer sizes, buffers which need to be buffer alloc'ed at runtime anyway with SRI (screen resolution independance is way too long) |
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| 21:22:02 | gevaerts | You're working in a very different environment. You *do* have a working malloc... |
| 21:22:14 | gevaerts | (I assume( |
| 21:22:29 | kugel | but I'm too lazy to free() |
| 21:23:44 | * | gevaerts threatens to swap kugel out then |
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| 21:24:17 | kugel | gevaerts: btw, when do you guys decide whether studends have been successful or not (if that didn't happen already)? |
| 21:24:52 | gevaerts | kugel: I'd hoped to finalise that yesterday, but unfortunately I hit http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=936 |
| 21:28:00 | kugel | oh |
| 21:28:08 | gevaerts | Everything is filled in, and the problematic first question isn't the "pass/fail" one :) |
| 21:29:13 | kugel | but I guess all questions are equally important for the formal validity |
| 21:29:56 | gevaerts | Well, maybe, but if they don't have any first answer they're going to have to be pragmatic |
| 21:30:19 | kugel | "What a coincidence, all students failed!" |
| 21:30:48 | * | gevaerts promised not to comment on that particular possible outcome! |
| 21:31:30 | gevaerts | Funnily enough one of the questions in the survey is "Did Melange function well as a tool to help you participate in GSoC this year?" |
| 21:31:49 | kugel | yea, I have that too |
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| 21:35:08 | gevaerts | Anyway, a slight delay due to technical reasons isn't going to change anything. |
| 21:36:12 | kugel | hopefully |
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| 22:15:54 | CIA-88 | New commit by peter (r27838): Update Dutch language file |
| 22:17:49 | CIA-88 | r27838 build result: All green |
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| 23:07:01 | CIA-88 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r27839): Android port: add build script ... |
| 23:08:45 | CIA-88 | r27839 build result: All green |
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| 23:11:47 | * | kugel whishes mcuelenaere would come to irc |
| 23:12:04 | notlistening | Clip+ question do i need to update to bootloader to get USB support? Or does usb not support file transfers in rockbox yet..? |
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| 23:13:19 | CIA-88 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r27840): Android port: also include native libraries in APK file |
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| 23:15:02 | pixelma | kugel: would be nice indeed |
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| 23:29:44 | bluebrother | S_a_i_n_t: I've updated the Theme Editor binaries and started a QtBuildEnvironment to hopefully make it easier to get building running on Windows. |
| 23:31:47 | bieber | QtBuildEnvironment? |
| 23:31:50 | bieber | Is that a wiki page? |
| 23:33:16 | bieber | bluebrother: Thank you for mentoring this Summer, btw :) |
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| 23:46:08 | bluebrother | bieber: yes, I've started that wiki page during the weekend to eventually get a page describing how to set it up (especially for Windows) |
| 23:46:20 | bluebrother | there's quite a bit of work left though. |
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| 23:46:59 | bluebrother | oh, and I've got some changes around that allow building an installer of the Theme Editor with a dynamically linked Qt. Need to clean that up and do some more testing though. |
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| 23:47:26 | bieber | That's great :) Should make it significantly easier to set up a build environment |
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| 23:48:29 | bieber | bluebrother: Have you filled out my final evaluation/did I pass? |
| 23:49:04 | bluebrother | indeed. Though using a statically built Qt wasn't necessary at any time −− it's just more convenient when distributing binaries. |
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| 23:49:59 | bluebrother | bieber: yes, I've filled out the evaluation earlier today. I don't know of any reason not to pass you, so you're passed :) |
| 23:50:11 | bieber | That's good to hear, thanks :) |
| 23:50:50 | bluebrother | and thanks for the great work on the Theme Editor (and the low amount of work I had to do, didn't manage to have as much free time as I've wanted) |
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