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| 00:21:10 | amiconn | Gah, heuristics! :( |
| 00:21:40 | * | amiconn wondered why a freshly build 'skinupdater.exe' wouldn't work on Win7 unless run in an administrator sheel |
| 00:22:21 | amiconn | Windows sees 'update' as part of the name, and concludes this is an installer/ updater. Then it refuses to run without admin permissions |
| 00:22:48 | amiconn | Renaming the .exe to something else fixes the issue |
| 00:27:41 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:29:16 | * | gevaerts isn't sure if that should be called "heuristics" |
| 00:29:51 | Bagder | I'd rather call it "stupidity" ;-) |
| 00:31:46 | pixelma | Win7... I didn't have the problem on XP |
| 00:32:39 | amiconn | Xp doesn't have that kind of detection, because it doesn't have UAC |
| 00:33:00 | amiconn | I guess Vista users will run into the same issue |
| 00:33:33 | soap | that explains a lot about a series of patches I was installing on Win7 the other day. |
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| 02:04:10 | mc2739 | amiconn: vista behaves the same. running skinupdater brings up a UAC dialog. no UAC dialog after renaming. |
| 02:05:37 | JdGordon| | that's pretty messed up :p |
| 02:06:02 | JdGordon| | although I guess it does make some sense.. better overall experience than having real update programs fail |
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| 04:39:21 | songmaster | Hi. I installed Rockbox 3.6 on my iPod mini-gen1 yesterday, and today it can't boot, saying "*PANIC* Dir entry 15 in sector 3 is not free! 05 00 00 00". Can anyone help me recover? |
| 04:40:49 | JdGordon| | is it FA#@ formatted? |
| 04:40:53 | JdGordon| | FAT32 |
| 04:41:13 | songmaster | Yes, I had to do that to install Rockbox. |
| 04:41:57 | saratoga_ | maybe check the disk for errors? |
| 04:42:37 | songmaster | I've already tried running dosfsck -r on the second partition, but that didn't fix the problem. |
| 04:43:34 | songmaster | (it did fix a couple of disk faults though) |
| 04:44:07 | saratoga_ | i guess it mounts and reads ok on the PC? |
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| 04:46:08 | songmaster | After I ran dosfsck it did, but the panic prevents that |
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| 04:47:02 | saratoga_ | try mounting it in the Apple USB mode |
| 04:48:31 | songmaster | "Apple USB mode"? I lied, if I reboot it with the USB unplugged I can plug it in and it mounts OK. |
| 04:48:59 | songmaster | Rebooting with it plugged in starts RockBox and it immediately panics again. |
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| 05:01:29 | phixxor | If usb isn't supported, how do you get songs on a rockbox player? using the dualboot? |
| 05:02:14 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 05:02:17 | songmaster | USB is supported, I just didn't understand the terminology. I do have it mounted now, in Apple USB mode. |
| 05:02:36 | JdGordon| | usb is not supported on all targets |
| 05:03:53 | phixxor | i'm watching this video with the sansa clip+ −− is the text in rockbox smaller than native text, or is it the same with most players? |
| 05:03:58 | phixxor | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEBYseWCYwU |
| 05:03:58 | phixxor | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEBYseWCYwU |
| 05:04:01 | phixxor | srry |
| 05:07:19 | saratoga_ | depends what size font you use |
| 05:12:57 | songmaster | I did an uninstall using the Utility, although that didn't delete the .rockbox dir so I did that by hand, then reinstalled and it's working now. |
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| 05:24:38 | phixxor | is it suggested to try the current build first and fall back on the release if there are too many bugs? |
| 05:25:34 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 05:25:38 | JdGordon| | well, which target? |
| 05:26:32 | phixxor | target player: clip+ |
| 05:28:27 | JdGordon| | current build should work fine |
| 05:28:44 | saratoga_ | there is no stable build for the clip+ anyway |
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| 05:57:02 | phixxor | "Unless you changed this installation will fail!" |
| 05:57:11 | phixxor | changed what? |
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| 06:00:10 | phixxor | you might want to improve your error messages |
| 06:00:51 | JdGordon| | where the heck did that come from? |
| 06:01:02 | phixxor | trying to autodetect |
| 06:01:56 | phixxor | this page is helping me though: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicalInstall specifically "Ipod and Sansa players require you to have administrator permissions." |
| 06:02:11 | phixxor | does that mean I need to run rockbox utility as an admin somehow? |
| 06:02:31 | saratoga_ | i don't think its needed on the clip+, just the older sansas |
| 06:02:49 | phixxor | saratoga_, interesting. what could be the problem then? |
| 06:03:02 | saratoga_ | what was your problem? |
| 06:03:20 | phixxor | scroll up: starting from "Unless you changed this installation will fail!" |
| 06:03:56 | saratoga_ | i read that, i just don't know what you're talking about |
| 06:04:05 | phixxor | I'll take a screenshot |
| 06:04:59 | saratoga_ | can't you just describe your problem in words |
| 06:06:14 | phixxor | already did |
| 06:06:19 | phixxor | i clicked autodetect and got that error |
| 06:06:35 | phixxor | http://imgur.com/rc4Kp |
| 06:07:06 | saratoga_ | never seen that before, but random guess: is that path correct? |
| 06:07:08 | JdGordon| | please file a bug with that image |
| 06:07:38 | phixxor | can you point me to your bug filing system? |
| 06:07:39 | JdGordon| | maybe it doesnt like the space in the path name |
| 06:07:50 | phixxor | i tried with an underscore too −− should I try a \ |
| 06:08:02 | JdGordon| | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php |
| 06:08:34 | phixxor | thanks −− i have to register :/ but tha't sok |
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| 06:12:01 | phixxor | is the category 'utils'? |
| 06:12:16 | phixxor | oh wait rbutil |
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| 06:24:31 | BRi7X | howdy... i'm having one hell of a time installing a ZIF hard drive into this gigabeat S, mainly with getting the ribbon into the slot on the hard disk drive, it feels fairly impossible... any suggestions? |
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| 06:27:35 | phixxor | JdGordon: bug is reported. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11563 |
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| 06:29:35 | phixxor | is there anything I can do in the meantime? |
| 06:30:41 | JdGordon| | try renaming the actual device so the mount point doesnt have a space |
| 06:30:47 | phixxor | gotcha |
| 06:30:56 | JdGordon| | BRi7X: you did open the lock thing right? |
| 06:31:12 | BRi7X | is there a lock on the hard drive itself? |
| 06:31:39 | phixxor | JdGordon, same problem even for /Volumes/SANSA-CLIPP |
| 06:31:55 | JdGordon| | BRi7X: yes, a little black tab thing |
| 06:32:04 | BRi7X | jdGordon|: I'm aware of the lock on the unit, and it's no problem getting the ribbon into that.. but the actual hard drive? i'll check for it |
| 06:32:10 | JdGordon| | phixxor: did you actually change the mount point? or the directoy name in rbutil? |
| 06:32:30 | BRi7X | holy crap that's so tiny!!! no wonder i didn't see it haha, thank you SO MUCH |
| 06:32:32 | phixxor | JdGordon: I renamed it on finder |
| 06:32:38 | BRi7X | you made my weekend! |
| 06:32:50 | phixxor | i don't know if on macs you have to unmount and then mount again |
| 06:32:51 | BRi7X | (now let's hope the HDD actually works, because i got it used on ebay...) |
| 06:32:56 | phixxor | or if that changes the mountpoint |
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| 06:33:36 | BRi7X | jdGordon|: wow, scratch all that... the original hard drive that was in there had a black tab... there doesn't appear to be one on this apple hard drive that i have |
| 06:33:56 | JdGordon| | there should be a tab/lock/bar thing above the ribbon holding it in |
| 06:37:25 | phixxor | JdGordon, should I try skipping the autodetect step? specifying clip+, setting the mountpoint, and then hit ok |
| 06:37:41 | phixxor | I can try any experiment you can think of :) |
| 06:38:24 | JdGordon| | yes, ignore autodetect |
| 06:38:51 | BRi7X | JdGordon|, i can send you a picture of the two disks in comparison, one appears to not have a lock on it... and the ribbon still won't go in |
| 06:39:24 | JdGordon| | put it on imagebin... but it does have a lock :) |
| 06:40:33 | BRi7X | imagebin? alright, i was just gonna put it on my webserver and link it here |
| 06:40:40 | JdGordon| | or that |
| 06:45:12 | phixxor | it won't let me choose complete or minimal installation −− both are grayed out |
| 06:45:33 | phixxor | however I do seem to be able to "install the bootloader" so I'll try that |
| 06:45:51 | phixxor | unless you say otherwise |
| 06:46:43 | phixxor | or wait, is that the manual install that does? |
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| 06:48:32 | BRi7X | JdGordon|: http://www.socketxmp.com/7X/_DSC0989.JPG .... it's kind of a large image, let me know if you want a smaller one... the one on the left was the original, the one on the right is the one i wanna put in (it appears to have come from an ipod, as there's an apple logo on it) |
| 06:49:21 | JdGordon| | the one on the right looks broken? |
| 06:49:36 | JdGordon| | without the lock it probably wont stay in very well |
| 06:49:57 | BRi7X | it won't even go in! |
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| 06:52:10 | phixxor | JdGordon: sansaams wiki says there's a risk of bricking the system sometimes −− is this one of those times? |
| 06:52:57 | JdGordon| | yes, this is the only time a brick is possible :) |
| 06:53:03 | JdGordon| | its easy enough to unbrick though |
| 06:53:41 | phixxor | ok the wording is pretty discouraging but I trust you |
| 06:53:55 | phixxor | is there anything i can do to avoid bricking it |
| 06:54:32 | saratoga_ | i don't think anyone has bricked a clip+ with rbutil |
| 06:56:14 | phixxor | which one is the firmware file: .dat or .bin |
| 06:56:31 | phixxor | *OF |
| 06:57:16 | phixxor | instructions don't say specifically but I'm guessing .bin |
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| 07:02:52 | BRi7X | yeah this hard drive is definitely broken, might you know where i could find a hard drive for this Gigabeat S that surely will work? |
| 07:03:08 | phixxor | i'm installing botio and literal themes −− any others you like? |
| 07:04:27 | phixxor | alright testing it now |
| 07:08:05 | phixxor | i don't think it worked −− unless i have to hold down home as I turn it on |
| 07:08:17 | phixxor | aaand that didn't work either :( |
| 07:10:05 | phixxor | .rockbox is present on the player :( |
| 07:11:57 | phixxor | is there any way I can find out why it isn't working? all the install steps returned "success" messages |
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| 07:12:42 | JdGordon| | did you actually extract a rockbox.zip onto the target? |
| 07:12:55 | phixxor | no, i used rbutils |
| 07:13:26 | JdGordon| | it should have done it for you if you did a full install |
| 07:13:34 | phixxor | as i said earlier |
| 07:13:43 | phixxor | full install and minimal install were grayed out |
| 07:13:54 | JdGordon| | well then you havnt installed rockbox, just the bootloader |
| 07:14:10 | JdGordon| | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 07:14:15 | JdGordon| | extract that zip onto the player |
| 07:14:18 | phixxor | JdGordon: but after I installed the bootloader I then clicked "install rockbox" |
| 07:14:37 | phixxor | and it did that and returned a "success" message |
| 07:14:53 | JdGordon| | well if there is no .rockbox folder it lied |
| 07:15:26 | phixxor | JdGordon: there IS a .rockbox folder, but the player boots into the original firmware, not rockbox |
| 07:15:42 | JdGordon| | does it have a rocbkox.sansa file in it? |
| 07:16:09 | phixxor | rockbox.sansa, yes |
| 07:16:35 | JdGordon| | hold left or up while booting... does it show rockbox at all? |
| 07:17:04 | phixxor | I'll try −− I tried holding "home" while booting but that didn't do anything |
| 07:17:55 | phixxor | left+power gives OF |
| 07:18:10 | phixxor | up+power gives OF |
| 07:18:30 | JdGordon| | does it display anything else thoguh? |
| 07:18:33 | phixxor | home+power gives OF |
| 07:18:34 | phixxor | nope |
| 07:18:40 | phixxor | it's as if I didn't install anything |
| 07:18:42 | JdGordon| | then the rockbox bootloader didnt install |
| 07:19:04 | phixxor | ok. can I try installing it with rbutil again or should I do it manually? |
| 07:19:49 | JdGordon| | do it manually |
| 07:19:53 | phixxor | by the way, under "info" in rbutils it says the bootloader is installed :P |
| 07:19:55 | JdGordon| | obviously rbutil no worky |
| 07:20:04 | phixxor | yeah :P ok I'll try manually |
| 07:20:45 | phixxor | JdGordon: should I try to uninstall the bootloader with rbutils before doing the manual installation? |
| 07:21:19 | JdGordon| | probably no need |
| 07:21:27 | JdGordon| | did you run it with admin permissions? |
| 07:21:42 | phixxor | no −− it never asked for permissions |
| 07:21:58 | JdGordon| | that starts explainig things |
| 07:22:04 | JdGordon| | restart it wth admin rights |
| 07:22:28 | phixxor | sara told me it didn't need admin :P ... ok |
| 07:22:44 | phixxor | do you happen to know how to start a program in mac os x with admin permissions? |
| 07:22:51 | JdGordon| | nope |
| 07:22:58 | phixxor | ok i will find out |
| 07:34:29 | phixxor | JdGordon: I found out: if you're curious, this is one way of running rbutils with admin perms in mac http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/5620/pseudo |
| 07:34:45 | JdGordon| | I'm not :) I hate using osx |
| 07:35:00 | JdGordon| | I was forced to use it at work for the first few weeks... :'( |
| 07:35:19 | phixxor | i'm not enamoured either :/ but if someone like me needs to know you could maybe tell them that |
| 07:37:09 | phixxor | JdGordon: the OF file ends in .bin right? |
| 07:38:08 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 07:38:49 | phixxor | i installed the bootloader and then rockbox, this time with admin perms |
| 07:39:03 | phixxor | the "full install" buttons were still grayed out though |
| 07:40:55 | phixxor | tested it −− still no sign of any bootloader on it :( |
| 07:41:08 | JdGordon| | do a manual install then |
| 07:41:45 | phixxor | do I need to delete the .rockbox folder or do anything else before i start? |
| 07:41:51 | JdGordon| | no |
| 07:44:02 | mc2739 | phixxor: some newer clip+ will not install bootloader properly with RockboxUtility 1.2.7 |
| 07:44:24 | phixxor | hehehehe so it would seem ;) |
| 07:45:03 | phixxor | by the way, the sansa firmware has two files .dat and .bin |
| 07:45:10 | mc2739 | follow the manual install instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Installation_for_Stable_e200v2_F |
| 07:45:22 | phixxor | thanks |
| 07:45:37 | phixxor | not this one? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 07:45:53 | mc2739 | the .dat is sample music and the .bin is the firmware |
| 07:48:32 | mc2739 | either should work - the important thing is getting the latest released bootloader and mkamsboot - both have links to the proper files |
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| 07:59:50 | phixxor | WHOOHOO! |
| 07:59:58 | phixxor | firmware upgrade in progress |
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| 08:00:51 | mc2739 | \o? |
| 08:03:41 | phixxor | hooray! |
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| 09:19:26 | pixelma | JdGordon|: regarding the start/stop for a fraction of seconds then resuming - I watched this effect in the progressbar, didn't notice with the music I was listening then if the same effect is in the audio but it's possible |
| 09:21:59 | JdGordon| | how do you mean you saw it in the progressbar? |
| 09:22:20 | JdGordon| | I dont tihnk this is related to the bar showing, then showning empty quickly |
| 09:23:08 | pixelma | ok, for some reason I thought the relation was possible |
| 09:23:46 | JdGordon| | it might be, but I don't tinhk so (untested because my current theme is broken) |
| 09:23:54 | JdGordon| | I have a suspision to what that bar issue is |
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| 09:36:54 | Chanakya | Hi |
| 09:37:16 | Chanakya | I was wondering if a member of WikiUsersGroup could add me |
| 09:37:41 | Chanakya | I want to update the customWPS page but I cannot until an existing user adds me to the group\ |
| 09:39:01 | gevaerts | Sure. What's your wiki name? |
| 09:40:20 | Chanakya | Chanakya Goli |
| 09:42:25 | gevaerts | OK, done |
| 09:42:27 | gevaerts | Have fun |
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| 10:34:34 | AsusFreak | Hi all. I made a bug task in Flyspray (FS #11558) some days ago. Rockbox is currently not starting on Cowon's D2. In the iAudio forum several users confirmed having trouble with the daily releases. May someone take a look at it, please. Or do I have to do something more than posting in Flyspray? |
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| 10:41:29 | n1s | AsusFreak: the problem is that very few devs have the d2 |
| 10:44:32 | AsusFreak | nls: thanks for your response. So I am not able to do something more than posting in Flyspray? Then we will have to wait for a nice dev with the required skill and right environment. Ok.... Thank you, nls. |
| 10:44:37 | pixelma | it could be useful if you could find the exact revision that breaks it. You'd need to be able to build your own |
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| 10:45:47 | AsusFreak | pixelma: so I have to go back 3 weeks and will have to test them. Hmmm - ok. |
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| 10:46:44 | n1s | AsusFreak: a binary search usually works and means you only need to build a few revs to find out which one broke |
| 10:47:16 | pixelma | you can do a binary search which is relatively quick. Go from your last known good version and the first known broken - build the one in the "middle" between the two, test, repeat |
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| 10:51:42 | AsusFreak | Ok - will last a bit, because it's some time ago I build it on my own but if it's helpful I'll have to make it. Thanks, guys. |
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| 11:30:14 | Chanakya | thanks gevaerts |
| 11:30:39 | tkroo | Sanza Fuze stuck at "ROLO... loading" after updating with RockboxUtility to r277860. I can't turn it off :( any suggestions? |
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| 11:31:14 | tkroo | oh. i was just able to turn it off |
| 11:31:39 | tkroo | awesome, boots up no problem. false alarm i guess. |
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| 13:04:54 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/rdiff/Main/CustomWPS?rev1=171;rev2=170 <- beside the fact that I can't see what changed but I thought that the playlist viewer viewport was recently changed so that the syntax for its "what to display" part would work the same as in the rest of WPSs? That would make the example quite different to what it looks now if we want to achieve what is described there |
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| 13:14:23 | JdGordon | what do you mean? |
| 13:15:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: ^ |
| 13:19:47 | pixelma | the example there "%Vp(1,%?it<%pp - %it>%fn)" - if it works the same as in other parts of the WPS would display "playlist position - title" if title tag is known otherwise only the filename and not what the description says |
| 13:21:05 | JdGordon | well yes, thats a mistake then |
| 13:21:19 | pixelma | if you want to achieve what's described and it works as in the rest of WPSs, then the code would look like "%Vp(1,%pp - %?it<%it|%fn) |
| 13:23:08 | JdGordon | fixed |
| 13:23:47 | pixelma | I wasn't sure because something changed there recently and I had never used it |
| 13:26:32 | pixelma | I forgot the closing > in my rewrite but looks like you noticed. Thanks |
| 13:26:50 | JdGordon | I didnt see the irc message untill after editing it :) |
| 13:27:42 | pixelma | alright, at least I know now that I wasn't on the wrong track ;) |
| 13:29:19 | JdGordon | any suggestions for the tag letters to voice other tags? |
| 13:30:23 | BRi7X | howdy, JdGordon... one last question... will an 80GB iPod hard disk fit inside a Gigabeat S designed for a 30GB hdd? or will i need a new back (or at least a decent ghetto rig)? |
| 13:30:43 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 13:30:48 | JdGordon | prob will need a new back |
| 13:30:53 | gevaerts | I wouldn't expect a 80GB iPod hard disk to even work in a Gigabeat S |
| 13:31:17 | gevaerts | Don't forget it can't handle 512-byte sectors properly |
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| 13:31:27 | BRi7X | wouldn't i just then format it? |
| 13:31:34 | gevaerts | sure, every time |
| 13:31:45 | pixelma | voice other tags? |
| 13:31:55 | gevaerts | BRi7X: the ipod 80GB disk is *buggy* |
| 13:31:59 | BRi7X | hrmmm, this whole gigabeat S thing's turning into a nightmare |
| 13:32:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: see FS #11541 |
| 13:32:38 | BRi7X | what do you suggest i do? I have a gigabeat S with no hard drive and none of my gigabeat F drives will work in it because they're not ZIF, they're IDE |
| 13:32:39 | gevaerts | It works in the ipod because Apple changed their firmware to work around the bugs (as does rockbox) |
| 13:33:22 | BRi7X | i ordered a 30GB zif disk and it showed up with an apple logo on it and that doesn't even turn on whilst inside the S |
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| 13:33:43 | gevaerts | Are you sure the S isn't otherwise broken? |
| 13:33:46 | BRi7X | the broken original drive at least you can hear powering up, despite the clicking that follows |
| 13:33:48 | n1s | BRi7X: i'd suggest getting a disk that isn't from an ipod :) |
| 13:34:04 | n1s | although the 30GB *should* work AFAIU |
| 13:34:11 | gevaerts | I'd actually expect a 30GB ipod disk to work |
| 13:34:17 | BRi7X | i can't quite seem to find any disks that aren't from an ipod. |
| 13:34:21 | gevaerts | Just not the 80GB one |
| 13:34:58 | BRi7X | the ipod disk didn't have the little lock for the ribbon on it, as seen here: www.socketxmp.com/7X/_DSC0989.JPG ... and definitely wouldn't turn on |
| 13:36:31 | BRi7X | i have the 30GB ipod disk in, when it turns on i get error message 5 saying contact manufacturer for repair. no sounds can be heard coming from the hard disk |
| 13:36:48 | n1s | do you have any other means to test the 30GB ipod disk? |
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| 13:37:08 | BRi7X | hrmm not really other than this gigabeat |
| 13:37:14 | wodz | pixelma: what is the deal with mini1G clickwheel? |
| 13:37:23 | gevaerts | That plastic bit might be important... |
| 13:37:48 | BRi7X | (one on the left is the original, the one on the right is the ipod one) |
| 13:39:12 | pixelma | wodz: it doesn't have wheel accelaration because it's different to the touch wheel the 2nd gen Minis have. If I understood amiconn correctly, the changes that were made to the Ipod 3rd gen and 1s7/2nd gen wheel drivers would need to be adapted |
| 13:39:31 | pixelma | s/1s7/1st |
| 13:39:43 | BRi7X | other than that plastic bit, i can't figure out why it's not working, like not even powering on! |
| 13:40:08 | gevaerts | Without that plastic bit you might not have good electrical contact |
| 13:40:27 | wodz | what is wheel acceleration exactly? |
| 13:40:29 | BRi7X | is there any way around that? |
| 13:40:55 | BRi7X | possibly transplanting from the other drive? |
| 13:42:34 | n1s | wodz: if you rotate the wheel at constant speed, your movement through lists will accelerate |
| 13:42:45 | pixelma | wodz: move quicker through long list when turning the wheel constantly. I don't know exactly how that works because I don't own a target with wheel, just noticed recently when comparing a self-compiled 1st and 2nd gen Mini manual |
| 13:43:33 | pixelma | noticed that there are differences relating to that feature |
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| 13:45:10 | pixelma | it's probably similar to accelareting when moving through lst by holding the up or down buttons on non-wheel targets |
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| 13:47:20 | n1s | it's similar to butto accel but a bit easier to control |
| 13:51:23 | JdGordon | hahaha talking wps wrks! |
| 13:51:45 | JdGordon | well soo damn close! |
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| 13:54:27 | BRi7X | JdGordon, gevaerts: well i got it working at least with a fair amount of tape, but the now powering up hard drive is click of death-ing... all that for nothing... eh. if you know where i can get a hard drive for this thing for a fair price, please let me know, i'm not sure what i'm going to do at this point other than keep using my screenless, usb portless gigabeat F |
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| 13:58:17 | JdGordon | does anyone know if you can find out if something is still being voiced? |
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| 14:00:17 | seani | JdGordon: I've added a couple of points on the supported tags on the patch thread |
| 14:00:31 | JdGordon | I'm reading the last comment now |
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| 14:03:03 | JdGordon | seani: http://pastebin.com/FNZWzsTv is my first quick attempt to make this work and it does... %?mh<%Vx(-, hold, %cl, -, %cM)> in the sbs will say "ache, oh, el, dee, ten, two" when hold is enabled |
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| 14:03:39 | JdGordon | obviously it needs a bit of tweaking to make it really useful, but hopefully you can see that is far more useful for everyone |
| 14:03:52 | JdGordon | - is used as a pause or shutup for the first one |
| 14:04:11 | JdGordon | special strings could be added for linking words |
| 14:04:37 | seani | I thought the "best" behaviour was to cancel any current announcements completely when the hotkey is pressed. This allows impatient users to skip to the information they want |
| 14:05:05 | seani | Yes, I've also discussed pre-generated tags and connectives |
| 14:05:36 | JdGordon | thats what the first - does. my problem is that is strats talking a second time before the first is finished (which I'm not sure why it does that anyway) |
| 14:05:53 | JdGordon | the point I'm trying to make though is this can immeditaly do much more than a seperate system |
| 14:06:00 | JdGordon | and means less maintenance |
| 14:06:54 | seani | Are you specifying the second param for the talk* method? That queues I think. I went for non-queing on the first utterance of each announcement, then queuing |
| 14:07:38 | JdGordon | yes I am queueing them |
| 14:08:13 | JdGordon | wouldnt you rather play with the vkeyboard? :D |
| 14:09:14 | seani | Well, we'll agree to differ. It *may* be able to do much more useful stuff when it's fully developed, for a given value of useful. You need to get to that point, and it needs an ecosystem of stable surrounding utilities. |
| 14:09:42 | seani | Sorry, that sound snarky, isn't meant to be. I just think a lot of it will end up as cool but not useful |
| 14:10:42 | JdGordon | the big issue I see is that if no active dev actually uses the feature, and it is a new system, eventually it will be left outdated with people asking for additions and noone caring enough to add them (even if patches are uploaded) |
| 14:11:21 | JdGordon | (plus the delta argument which might be rather large for a advantage for a small group of users) |
| 14:13:06 | seani | Leaving implementation and the Kafkaesque bloody nightmare of getting anything in, stats would be useful on visually impaired users. Do any exist or do the seem to be a small group or just happy? |
| 14:13:18 | JdGordon | that patch will immediatly give users access to over 100 peices of info in any screen they want |
| 14:14:13 | gevaerts | What sort of RAM impact are we talking about? |
| 14:14:14 | JdGordon | I can name 2 users off the top of my head who are blind, and both are rather quiet (and one is very annoying :D ), otherwise they are either happy or small |
| 14:15:03 | gevaerts | It's hard to guess how many visually impaired users we actually have, but I'm pretty sure it's more than "a few" |
| 14:15:57 | JdGordon | both ways would need to add a bit, but I think seani's adds more duiplicated code |
| 14:16:09 | gevaerts | Also don't forget that we have car users who also like voice |
| 14:16:31 | seani | And vkeyboard is very close if Real Life would stop biting. |
| 14:16:39 | JdGordon | and pocket users... this is the sort of voicing that would be useful for anyone :) |
| 14:17:36 | JdGordon | %?pE(30)<%Vx(-, %Ia, -, %It)> <- voice the next track with 30s to go |
| 14:17:42 | seani | gevaerts: The shouldn't be fiddling with their players when they drive, or fumbling in their trouser pockets. Animals. |
| 14:18:09 | gevaerts | seani: You prefer them to fiddle with their players *and* looking at them? |
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| 14:21:59 | seani | gevaerts: I'd prefer them not to fiddle. But then I'm comfortable being a hypocrite. |
| 14:24:14 | seani | JdGordon: I like the voice with time remaining feature. But your binsize response is a politicians answer. |
| 14:24:32 | JdGordon | tell me about it :) I hate that reply |
| 14:27:15 | wodz | looking at source - it should be fairly easy to adapt clickwheel 1g-3g code for mini1G |
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| 14:32:22 | JdGordon | weeee! |
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| 14:50:29 | JdGordon | %cl and %cP arnt playing nicely :( |
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| 14:51:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: I have observed several bugs which are probably skin engine related: |
| 14:53:13 | amiconn | 1) Crash after early USB. This is probably status bar related - the status bar is still missing in the USB screen during early USB. It should be shown, but it has to be the built-in one. Skin init must never touch the disk before early USB |
| 14:53:34 | JdGordon | %?mh<%Vx(-, %cl,-, %cM, text, %cP)> :) the "text" word means spell the next tag instead of checking the tag value if it does set a number |
| 14:53:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: flyspray.... |
| 14:54:02 | amiconn | 2) Full-line progressbar %pf on charcell not working at all (blank line shown instead) |
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| 14:54:30 | amiconn | 3) Cabbie on Clip+ shows pixel garbage on the first line in WPS. Other screens are okay |
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| 15:00:35 | mcuelenaere | kugel: ping |
| 15:03:40 | seani | It's a short step from "weeee!" to ":-(" bon courage |
| 15:05:13 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 15:12:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: your whole line of example code looks really messy... too many parameters at once I can't just follow anymore |
| 15:12:21 | JdGordon | for which? |
| 15:13:26 | pixelma | the %Vx |
| 15:14:02 | JdGordon | well, without a full example it is a bit hard to see the point |
| 15:17:00 | pixelma | the one you posted here some 20 minutes ago, I don't think I need to c+p that |
| 15:17:49 | JdGordon | %Vx(hello) would spell hello |
| 15:18:07 | JdGordon | %Vx(%ia) would spell the %ia tags value |
| 15:18:18 | JdGordon | %Vx(%bl) would say the battery level number |
| 15:19:16 | gevaerts | Does anyone have an idea how big (in RAM usage) our current virtual keyboard is, and how big the proposed new ones are/would be? |
| 15:20:15 | gevaerts | I really think we should offer people a choice, but not if it takes away half the audio buffer... |
| 15:22:03 | JdGordon | you dont like seani's suggestion? |
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| 15:22:49 | seani | gevaerts: If you're referring to the proposal I made, please wait to see the patch before objecting. At the moment it's, less code, less ram, simpler and I believe faster. But please wait for the finished article, don't prejudge. |
| 15:23:18 | gevaerts | seani: I'm not prejudging |
| 15:23:22 | gevaerts | I just want to know |
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| 15:23:33 | pixelma | JdGordon: that still doesn't tell me what all these parameters in your own example now 30 minutes ago should mean, what's all the craft in %Vx(,,,,,,,)? |
| 15:23:33 | gevaerts | I *want* all those vkeyboards |
| 15:25:18 | JdGordon | pixelma: -'s are "voice a pause" (or when it is the first option, tell the talk system to shutup) |
| 15:25:40 | JdGordon | the word "text" tells it to spell the next tag instead of reading its value from the number (if it gives one) |
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| 15:26:42 | gevaerts | It's just that ideally I want to have a choice of several, and that's where RAM usage really comes in |
| 15:27:18 | JdGordon | why several? |
| 15:27:28 | JdGordon | or which? |
| 15:28:21 | gevaerts | There's FS #10763 which I think is also promising for some players and/or people |
| 15:28:54 | gevaerts | Touchscreen targets will want a different one again, but that doesn't need to be a runtime choice I think |
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| 15:32:39 | JdGordon | touchscreen is a completly different beast |
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| 15:33:27 | gevaerts | As is the Player I guess. Two lines don't give you much |
| 15:34:11 | n1s | the player already has its very own vkeybaord though |
| 15:34:23 | n1s | s/ao/oa/ |
| 15:34:53 | * | JdGordon removes the need for -'s in his talk patch |
| 15:35:22 | JdGordon | %Vx(%cl, %cM, text, %cP) is a bit easier to understand |
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| 15:39:02 | JdGordon | seani: by the way, I dont see any reason (technically) why your origional idea cant work on top of my patch also |
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| 15:43:22 | pixelma | why would we need two systems? |
| 15:45:13 | gevaerts | svn vkeyboard uses around 8kb. If that's the typical size of a vkeyboard implementation, and we have more than one (sufficiently different) nice vkeyboard, I think we should seriously consider having all of them and offering a runtime choice |
| 15:45:54 | seani | gevaerts: This would have been useful feedback on 18th when I proposed the idea on the public forum. I'll finish the patch to my own satisfaction anyway - which I believe addresses *all* your concerns as it stands - but I won't be wasting any time persuading anyone it should go in. |
| 15:46:30 | gevaerts | seani: I'm not saying our *current* vkeyboard is one of those we should keep |
| 15:46:55 | JdGordon | gevaerts: I completly disagree on grounds of being told of on countless ocassions for apparently "wasting" 1kb |
| 15:47:01 | gevaerts | JdGordon: shut upo |
| 15:47:06 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:47:22 | * | gevaerts can argue using JdGordon's techniques just as well as JdGordon can |
| 15:47:44 | seani | gevaerts: As I say *all* your concerns. |
| 15:47:58 | JdGordon | I always end with a :) though! |
| 15:48:09 | pixelma | huh? |
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| 16:19:00 | kugel | mcuelenaere: pong |
| 16:19:26 | mcuelenaere | kugel: you wanted to talk me about my RaaA commits? |
| 16:20:44 | kugel | yes |
| 16:20:52 | n1s | gevaerts: imo the current vkeyboard is rather horrible to use and to look at (the code) |
| 16:21:04 | gevaerts | n1s: yes, I agree |
| 16:21:11 | n1s | seani: does your vkeyboard deal with Morse input? |
| 16:21:41 | gevaerts | Ah yes, morse is actually a good argument to support more than one vkeyboard |
| 16:22:01 | * | gevaerts doesn't really see why this should be part of the "regular" one |
| 16:22:13 | kugel | 1) r27832 is not working properly for me (htc legend). the directions with the (optical) track ball doesn't seem to work at all; the 4 hardware buttons only work after i have selected something with pressing the track ball (not after using the touchscreen) |
| 16:22:29 | kugel | also it makes it impossible to leave the app with the back button which I think we shouldn't do |
| 16:22:31 | n1s | gevaerts: yes a general keyboard switching mechanism would be nicer for that |
| 16:23:32 | kugel | 2) r27834: I don't know what exactly is moved to the sd card but I have hardcoded some paths to the internal storage so moving might not work properly (I haven't tested since I don't have froyo) |
| 16:23:44 | mcuelenaere | hmm that wasn't my intention (making it impossible to leave app with back) |
| 16:24:05 | kugel | 3) I think r27839 can't work because the .apk isn't signed |
| 16:24:32 | kugel | signing will be a bit complicated in our case so I haven't done anything about it yet (only a bit research) |
| 16:25:19 | mcuelenaere | re 3): the intention of it was to allow building the Java part, mainly for verifying that there were no warnings/errors |
| 16:25:25 | mcuelenaere | this can be useful for the build system |
| 16:25:41 | mcuelenaere | I haven't looked into signing (yet) |
| 16:26:13 | mcuelenaere | re 2): I can revert it, but we shouldn't use hard coded paths |
| 16:26:39 | mcuelenaere | 1) should also be trivial to fix, however I can't reproduce your bug |
| 16:28:47 | kugel | the codec loading and unzipping uses hardcoded paths currently, but those might be fixable |
| 16:28:53 | mcuelenaere | the issue with not having to use the track ball in 1) to get the hw buttons to work sounds like a focus issue |
| 16:29:07 | mcuelenaere | s/not// |
| 16:29:14 | kugel | but pressing it works |
| 16:29:54 | * | mcuelenaere fires up eclipse |
| 16:30:06 | seani | n1s: *All* current behaviour of the existing vkeyboard is on my list for the new one. I'll very likely solicit user feedback for the a non-touchscreen, non-morse version first before committing time to those, but nothing is being ignored. Except any further questions on the vkeyboard for today. |
| 16:30:10 | kugel | but I'm definitely happy to see other guys stepping in :) |
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| 16:30:25 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I should've posted these in form of patches instead of commits |
| 16:31:18 | mcuelenaere | I also have a rework of the Java part which allows feedback when extracting the zips and gets away with the thread hacks, but it isn't fully working (yet) |
| 16:32:03 | kugel | the sdcard is mounted with noexec isn't it? the codec files need to be loaded from an executable place (or copied to one before loading) |
| 16:32:41 | mcuelenaere | Rockbox uses this tmp-codec.dll mechanism, doesn't it? |
| 16:32:44 | mcuelenaere | can't we misuse this? |
| 16:33:02 | mcuelenaere | by putting the codec in /sdcard, but copying it to /data/.. upon usage |
| 16:33:13 | kugel | yes that's doable |
| 16:34:15 | mcuelenaere | does it copy the codec every time a song is played? |
| 16:34:54 | kugel | only if the codec changes |
| 16:35:28 | mcuelenaere | still, I wonder if that could negatively affect the flash storage |
| 16:35:43 | mcuelenaere | (and something to keep in mind) |
| 16:35:47 | kugel | it does the tempcodec.dll thing right now because we still use io.c from the simulator but my plan was to get rid of that then we could choose whether to copy or not |
| 16:36:21 | mcuelenaere | well I think this mechanism could be an advantage in our case, unless we find a better solution |
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| 16:36:58 | mcuelenaere | we should try putting as much data as possible on SD card |
| 16:38:00 | kugel | I think we should keep the android style as much as possible |
| 16:38:23 | mcuelenaere | which is? |
| 16:38:57 | kugel | which means having most (if not all) related data in the app dir, that way everything will be removed when the app is uninstalled and the "how much space does this app take" calculation works |
| 16:40:24 | mcuelenaere | good point, and people could still move data to the SD card if they're on froyo I guess |
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| 16:41:00 | kugel | mcuelenaere: if we get it right, yes :) |
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| 16:41:26 | kugel | most stuff is actually already on the sdcard, but not the stuff we ship in the .apk |
| 16:42:03 | kugel | but config.cfg, database files (theoretically) are on the sdcard |
| 16:42:27 | mcuelenaere | I don't really like the current libmisc.so approach though, but I think JdGordon has a patch for that on the tracker? |
| 16:45:13 | kugel | but libmisc.so is needed. the only other way would be to download the installation files on the first run |
| 16:47:02 | kugel | we have agreed that we do want only an .apk for installation |
| 16:47:36 | mcuelenaere | so to update to a more recent build, you'd need to install a new .apk? |
| 16:47:48 | kugel | I think JdGordons patch makes it so that you update rockbox with a rockbox.zip on the sdcard (but only the C parts, not the java parts) |
| 16:48:02 | mcuelenaere | well I just meant that |
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| 16:48:45 | kugel | yes we want the .apk |
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| 16:51:32 | kugel | because a) only one installation method, b) making sure the the java and c are in sync (they could break at any time), c) installing an .apk is easier than the .zip thing, d) loading code from sdcard is a slight security risk |
| 16:52:59 | mcuelenaere | but from a developer POV you can't easily/quickly update the C part |
| 16:54:44 | kugel | why? |
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| 16:55:37 | mcuelenaere | you'd need to reinstall the app |
| 16:55:44 | kugel | make akp && adb install -r Rockbox.apk seems easy enough |
| 16:57:44 | kugel | the apk also works with eclipse which I consider rather convinient |
| 16:58:30 | mcuelenaere | grep -Ri apk rockbox/tools/* doesn't give me much |
| 16:59:23 | kugel | because it's not implemented yet :) |
| 16:59:35 | mcuelenaere | sounds logical :) |
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| 16:59:55 | kugel | if there wasn't the signing stuff I would have implemented make apk long ago :) |
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| 17:00:24 | mcuelenaere | does eclipse handles the signi |
| 17:00:31 | kugel | we could maybe implemented it with the debug signature for now, but you need a real one for the market |
| 17:00:34 | mcuelenaere | does eclipse handle the signing stuff automatically?* |
| 17:01:03 | * | mcuelenaere doesn't know much about Android & signing |
| 17:01:05 | kugel | http://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html |
| 17:02:02 | kugel | "The SDK tools create the debug keystore/key with predetermined names/passwords" |
| 17:02:29 | * | mcuelenaere also found that URL |
| 17:02:55 | mcuelenaere | the blocker is that we can't expose our private key I guess? |
| 17:03:27 | mcuelenaere | ie, we can't put it in SVN |
| 17:03:51 | kugel | we maybe could but that'd sort of defeats the purpose |
| 17:04:51 | freddyb | gevaerts: the big jumbo keyboard patch with all the modes and the menu options adds about 4500 bytes and the sync remote patch shrinks it about 400 |
| 17:05:19 | mcuelenaere | see "Securing Your Private Key", I don't think it'd be a good idea to put it in public |
| 17:07:22 | kugel | we probably need to have a key which we share (privately) between the devs and the build clients |
| 17:07:46 | kugel | or only the build clients; everyone who makes his own build could use the debug key |
| 17:07:55 | mcuelenaere | why can't the build clients have the debug key? |
| 17:08:14 | mcuelenaere | shouldn't the only person having the key be the one who pushes the apk to the market? |
| 17:08:28 | mcuelenaere | (or persons) |
| 17:08:49 | kugel | it's as insecure as putting a real key into public, but it also expires after 1 year which has implications on updates |
| 17:09:22 | kugel | it's not suitable for distributing to users |
| 17:10:51 | gevaerts | freddyb: that seems to mean that the current vkeyboard is not only not very nice to use, but also a bit wasteful :) |
| 17:10:51 | mcuelenaere | we could also only do the signing on the download server, that way none of the build clients have it |
| 17:11:01 | kugel | also, different keys for the market version and the current builds makes it impossible to interchange them |
| 17:12:23 | gevaerts | I don't know if we want to sign builds made by another machine. That somewhat opens the door to rogue build clients being used to get "bad" content on phones |
| 17:12:27 | kugel | that might be a good idea, but then you'd need to make it locally as well between make apk and adb install -r |
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| 17:13:01 | kugel | I guess the build master could handle it |
| 17:13:14 | gevaerts | We have that issue with regular builds too of course, but those aren't as interesting as android apps I suspect |
| 17:13:14 | mcuelenaere | can't we, devs, just use the debug key and have the build master + market "pusher" use the official key? |
| 17:14:24 | kugel | hm, the build clients could produce a unsigned apk with make unsigned-apk, while we do debug-signed make apk locally. I think I like that idea |
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| 17:15:29 | kugel | gevaerts: the recent activity around keybox clearly shows that daps are also sensitive targets! |
| 17:16:38 | gevaerts | kugel: I can think of several ways to use a "plain" DAP for less than nice purposes. I think they're still a lot less likely to be actually used than networked phones |
| 17:16:46 | n1s | we could build everything twice (with different build clients) and only accept the result if they are identical |
| 17:17:00 | freddyb | geverts: it was fine until thumb wheels came along :) |
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| 17:17:43 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure how to solve the BUTTON_BACK issue, do we want to use this button in Rockbox or just ignore it? If the former, we would need to know when we're in the main menu so we can signal to the Java layer to handle the button press instead of ignoring it |
| 17:17:58 | n1s | of course compromising a connected device is far more interesting than one that isn't connected |
| 17:18:59 | kugel | mcuelenaere: I think it would be nice if the first press always goes to the main menu and the second one (if still in the main menu) goes out |
| 17:19:52 | kugel | but that's not easy to do with the action system and apps/firmware separation |
| 17:19:58 | mcuelenaere | agreed, but I'm not sure how to do this without crossing the "no communication between firmware-apps"-line |
| 17:20:33 | kugel | s/no/one way/ |
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| 17:34:57 | amiconn | kugel, mcuelenaere: Communication clearly isn't one way. It's just that firmware code cannot include apps headers or call apss functions directly. |
| 17:35:34 | amiconn | If you need active communication into the "wrong" direction, use a callback mechanism |
| 17:37:11 | mcuelenaere | kugel: could you test http://pastebin.com/X0QXykwx ? |
| 17:37:58 | kugel | that just disables the back button? |
| 17:38:19 | kugel | (i.e. let the java handle it -> leave the app) |
| 17:38:20 | mcuelenaere | it's a short-term solution |
| 17:40:36 | kugel | I can try (later) but it looks rather safe to me |
| 17:42:40 | mcuelenaere | I just wonder how come I could still use the back button though |
| 17:43:00 | mcuelenaere | did you try pressing it multiple times? Perhaps there's some layer there to detect an application lockup |
| 17:43:30 | kugel | I don't understand |
| 17:44:03 | kugel | you mean when the back button didn't work for me? |
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| 17:44:15 | mcuelenaere | yes |
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| 17:45:29 | kugel | yes I did |
| 17:45:38 | kugel | the touchscreen still worked |
| 17:47:00 | mcuelenaere | wait, with "the back button didn't work" you do mean that you couldn't exit the app, right? |
| 17:47:14 | mcuelenaere | (by using the back button, that is) |
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| 17:49:58 | kugel | it did nothing |
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| 17:51:24 | kugel | mcuelenaere: ah no I just tried again: it leaves the app. unless I press the track ball, then it goes back within rockbox |
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| 17:56:23 | mcuelenaere | hmm I was probably confused, I thought there was a mismatch between the behaviour on the emulator and the device you have |
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| 18:11:59 | wodz | amiconn: ping |
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| 18:26:57 | freddyb | Would someone take a look at FS #11168 for me? This makes a huge improvement in boot time on the iPod Video. |
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| 18:48:01 | amiconn | wodz: pong |
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| 18:51:48 | wodz | amiconn: I am hacking mini1G button driver and since You were touching clickwheel 1g/2g/3g driver maybe You can tell me what does line 211 of button-1g-3g.c? |
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| 18:54:56 | CIA-81 | New commit by bertrik (r27861): Update of Czech language - FS #11560 by Marek Salaba |
| 18:56:54 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27862): Introduce plugin_crt0.c that every plugin links. ... |
| 18:57:15 | CIA-81 | r27861 build result: All green |
| 18:58:13 | amiconn | Afaiu it prevents spurious button events in the next call after disabling hold |
| 18:58:50 | amiconn | I'm not sure though, as ipodlinux.org, which has some docs on ipod gpio, is down |
| 18:59:11 | amiconn | I only have a 1st Gen and a 2nd Gen, not executing this part |
| 18:59:27 | CIA-81 | r27862 build result: 1536 errors, 6 warnings (kugel committed) |
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| 19:00:21 | kugel | oh, I thought we added the sh setjmp? |
| 19:01:27 | kugel | hm :\ |
| 19:01:59 | kugel | where to put it? they're in codecs/lib currently, but sh (/hwcodec) doesn't compile that |
| 19:02:16 | kugel | move to lib/ maybe? |
| 19:03:17 | kugel | I don't have enough time to fix it now; should I revert? |
| 19:03:56 | wodz | shit scroll forward works but scroll back doesn't :/ |
| 19:04:18 | gevaerts | kugel: I think there's a bit too much red there to leave it for a longer time |
| 19:07:14 | amiconn | kugel: I'd say revert for now. Btw, this clearly needs a full api version bump |
| 19:08:07 | kugel | it does? |
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| 19:09:38 | amiconn | You're changing almost all return values |
| 19:09:41 | kugel | gah, I need to go, can someone else revert on my behalf please? |
| 19:09:51 | amiconn | The core relies on them for displaying the proper messages |
| 19:10:14 | amiconn | This isn't actually an api change, but a change the api check should catch |
| 19:10:34 | kugel | I see |
| 19:12:31 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27863): Revert "Introduce plugin_crt0.c that every plugin links." ... |
| 19:13:06 | amiconn | We don't have setjmp_sh.S afaics |
| 19:13:26 | kugel | amiconn: yes I saw now, I thought we do since plugins can also use exit |
| 19:13:45 | kugel | before my change already, and that needed setjmp. apparently just no plugin that runs on sh uses exit |
| 19:14:18 | CIA-81 | r27863 build result: All green |
| 19:14:31 | kugel | phew |
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| 19:15:00 | * | amiconn wonders where code that is used by both plugins and codecs should be put |
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| 19:20:06 | bertrik | I think I'll investigate adding an interaural delay to cross-feed |
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| 19:25:22 | pixelma | bertrik: where's the difference to our stereo width? |
| 19:26:29 | bertrik | pixelma, not sure if that does the same |
| 19:28:13 | bertrik | I think stereo width doesn't use a delay between channels, but just subtracts them from each other |
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| 19:39:21 | Zambezi | I got my Sansa Fuze v2 today. The stock firmware surprised me. It's fairly good, but I want Rockbox of course. But the wiki really scares me a bit. Considered unstable and possible to brick the player. |
| 19:39:31 | Zambezi | Common sense says no go. |
| 19:40:35 | gevaerts | I think the chance to brick it is quite remote if you follow instructions |
| 19:40:46 | gevaerts | So remote that I can't remember anyone actually doing it |
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| 19:42:35 | Zambezi | gevaerts: I'm not sure I want to be the first. Just kidding. Well since you need stock firmware to transfer files it's really no idea to rush. There's some readings to do, grabbing a *.bin-file etc. |
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| 19:49:31 | gevaerts | freddyb: FS #11168 looks reasonable to me (as a non-font expert). Do you think it's ready for commit, or does it need more testing/reviewing? |
| 19:52:34 | * | gevaerts wouldn't mind Torne to have a look at it, as a recent looker-at-it |
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| 20:05:55 | freddyb | Torne was too busy to look at it. I wouldn't mind someone that's been around looking it over but it's pretty simple and I've been using it for weeks on a couple devices with out problems. |
| 20:06:56 | gevaerts | ok |
| 20:09:23 | gevaerts | hm, you use about 1KB of stack there. Are you sure that's safe? |
| 20:12:53 | n1s | if it runs in the ui (?) thread that should be fine, that has 8k stack iirc |
| 20:13:04 | gevaerts | I think all uses are in the ui thread, yes |
| 20:13:40 | gevaerts | Where is that stack defined actually? |
| 20:14:53 | freddyb | I don't know. You can turn down MAXSORT to about 64 and still get a pretty big improvement if space is that tight. |
| 20:15:41 | n1s | i actaully wondered that a few days too... |
| 20:15:55 | gevaerts | app.lds |
| 20:16:02 | gevaerts | And yes, it's 8K |
| 20:16:06 | gevaerts | should be OK |
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| 20:17:57 | CIA-81 | New commit by gevaerts (r27864): Read glyph cache in disk order to speed up loading - FS #11168 by Fred Bauer |
| 20:18:39 | freddyb | gevaerts: thanks |
| 20:19:36 | CIA-81 | r27864 build result: All green |
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| 20:21:38 | n1s | bertrik: are you going to commit FS #11533 ? |
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| 20:24:13 | bertrik | yes, I think so |
| 20:24:34 | gevaerts | freddyb: no, thank you :) |
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| 20:25:03 | n1s | bertrik: ok, i think it's a good idea |
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| 20:32:29 | wodz | char is unsigned by default on arm? |
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| 20:37:49 | n1s | wodz: yes |
| 20:38:26 | n1s | if you rely on the signedness of a char please use explicit (un)signed or the (u)int8_t types |
| 20:40:34 | n1s | there are switches for gcc if that is a problem in imported code |
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| 21:33:37 | wodz | Ok, I have wheel acceleration working on mini1g :-) Now I have to clean this up a bit |
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| 21:40:14 | maraz_ | where has the sleep timer setting gone? |
| 21:40:25 | Lear | Time screen? |
| 21:41:19 | maraz_ | right |
| 21:41:27 | maraz_ | makes sense not to have it in the settings ;) |
| 21:41:57 | gevaerts | Well, it's not a setting |
| 21:42:41 | maraz_ | not from the developer viewpoint? :) |
| 21:43:05 | maraz_ | strange... |
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| 21:43:19 | gevaerts | Settings are persistent |
| 21:43:31 | Strife89 | Hmm, wasn't there another skin-breaking commit a couple of days ago? |
| 21:44:17 | maraz_ | gevaerts: oh. |
| 21:44:24 | maraz_ | that does make sense |
| 21:44:37 | maraz_ | i wonder what shut my nano down during battery bench |
| 21:44:40 | maraz_ | reason: power off |
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| 21:44:49 | maraz_ | the battery didn't die yet, it's at 65% |
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| 21:54:59 | bertrik | maraz_, maybe your playlist just ended and the idle poweroff kicked in |
| 21:55:26 | bertrik | it says "reason: power off" when it receives a SYS_POWEROFF event |
| 21:55:30 | gevaerts | Or maybe you forgot to switch on hold and a cat stepped on it |
| 21:55:53 | maraz_ | nope, it was on repeat |
| 21:55:58 | maraz_ | and i don't have a cat... |
| 21:56:04 | maraz_ | not that i know of, at least. |
| 21:56:20 | CIA-81 | New commit by wodz (r27865): Implement WHEEL_ACCELERATION for Ipod mini 1G based on code for 1G/2G. |
| 21:57:01 | wodz | pixelma: voila :-) |
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| 21:58:28 | pixelma | nice :) |
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| 22:01:04 | wodz | maybe driver for 1g-3g and mini 1g should be merged |
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| 22:45:27 | stephen__ | still having those theme switching problems on the x5. went back to 3.6 and it's not there. can't test my h3xx as it appears to be dead. |
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| 22:49:35 | CIA-81 | New commit by bertrik (r27867): ipod fm remote: some static/const fixes from FS #11266 by me |
| 22:49:42 | stephen__ | got the h3xx goin again with a charge will wait a few mins before transfering the newest update to check the crash |
| 22:51:06 | pixelma | stephen__: I saw an h300 sim crash too, it took a few more tries though. Unfortunately I don't have a remote for my M5 |
| 22:51:14 | CIA-81 | r27867 build result: All green |
| 22:51:17 | pixelma | so I can only test sims |
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| 22:51:29 | stephen__ | i got one on the h300 sim today. going from a theme to icatcher |
| 22:51:33 | stephen__ | happened twice. |
| 22:51:47 | stephen__ | do you think its connected to the last remote wps fix ? |
| 22:52:37 | stephen__ | i have a build envoirment set up if i knew how to build a specific revision i could bisect |
| 22:54:06 | bertrik | you can move between revisions with 'svn update -r <revision>' |
| 22:54:23 | pixelma | the very last was the X5 greyscale-remote-with-colour-main-screen one if I remember correctly, but there were a number of remote WPS related fixes. You can check out specific revisions and build these with... what bertrik said :) |
| 22:57:09 | stephen__ | doesn't seem to be affecting the h3xx |
| 22:57:23 | stephen__ | changed themes 10 times or so now |
| 22:58:27 | stephen__ | time to go build the x5 |
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| 23:00:50 | Torne | freddyb: sorry I didn't get to it sooner, but i had given it a glance adn it seemed just fine :) |
| 23:01:02 | Torne | freddyb: i've been extremely busy with my actual job lately :( |
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| 23:24:53 | stephen__ | i'm on 27774 and loading is slower but it doesn't crash yet |
| 23:27:59 | freddyb | Torne: It's OK. Keep paying those taxes! |
| 23:28:15 | Torne | freddyb: psh :) |
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| 23:37:14 | Malcohol | Hello. Wondering if someone could add me to the WikiUserGroup? Was going to add some (mixed) results of trying a few iPod Accessories to the table on the Wiki. |
| 23:37:23 | Malcohol | My wikiname would be MalcolmTyrrell |
| 23:38:22 | saratoga | added |
| 23:38:57 | saratoga | although it doesn't look like that user exists |
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