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#rockbox log for 2010-08-28

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00:50:03willEver heard of a RB text viewer bug that causes this: You open a text file, and every letter is on a separate line.
00:50:57willExample of the word "and": a <newline> n <newline> d
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00:54:25willBuild error. I deleted everything in my build dir. When I 'make' I get this:
00:59:38willerror: sysfont.h: No such file or directory
01:04:00wille200v1 −− make is broken. r27900 build fine. r27901 and r27911 result in
01:07:41bertriktry doing a 'make clean' first
01:08:28willmake veryclean OK?
01:08:30bertrikif the e200v1 build was really broken, we'd see it in the build table too
01:09:35willI thought deleting everything in the build dir is equal to running 'make clean'. Does it do more?
01:09:56willalso: what dir do you run make clean from?
01:11:32Tornedeleting everything in the build dir is a superset of make clean
01:11:44Tornesince you also need to rerun configure afterward
01:11:54Torneneither deletes the compiled stuff from tools though
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01:14:47willWell now it's working. I don't know what was wrong.
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01:29:33willI have a txt file that the Text Viewer plugin is displaying incorrectly. Can anyone please test it on their player? (mine is e200v1)
01:34:11krazykityour text file is encoded as utf-16, which i don't think the text viewer supports
01:34:40krazykit mentions the various supported codepages, of which utf-16 isn't one
01:34:40willlet me use notepad++ to convert...
01:35:01Torneyes, we don't support multibyte formats
01:35:13Tornebecause they're just a huge pain in the ass
01:37:38willThanks I fixed it. Just so you know −− I didn't purposefully make a UTF-16 file. I think I created this file by exporting from a PDF file.
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04:56:03[Saint]re: FS #11573 - Cabbiev3 doesn't show progress bar and album art in current build, is the protocal for such fixes (if you could cal it a protocol) just "harras the original author, or live with it"?
04:56:17[Saint]eeeek, spelling.
04:57:12[Saint]Flyspray entries for busted user themes could get old *very* fast.
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06:53:28S_a_i_n_tnow that "shopper.rock" is included...if I have an issue with it do I take it up with the guy that implemented it or just voice my opinions here?
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07:02:39S_a_i_n_tGah...there's not a flyspray task for it anymore (understandable), basically its useless if the theme/user has disabled icon display.
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07:15:51raymondjtothhi any here cna help me a sec?
07:16:03raymondjtothwant to make sure some one here befor i ask my q
07:16:18bunnyboijust ask, someone is bound to be around
07:16:22S_a_i_n_t123 people here ;)
07:16:27bunnyboilol, and that rhymed
07:16:33raymondjtothdose rockbox work on a archos 404?
07:16:54S_a_i_n_tif it is on the list of supported targets, then, yes.
07:16:59S_a_i_n_tif not.... ;)
07:17:05raymondjtothbut how do i know if it is
07:17:26S_a_i_n_tcheck the main page
07:17:30raymondjtothim new
07:17:49raymondjtotho ok
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08:11:47chrisbare there any ways to revive a sansa e200?
08:12:12chrisbmy kids were playing with mine and the screen seems to have died
08:12:17[Saint]that would depend on its "death", I would say.
08:12:35chrisbi also can't mount it over USB
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09:01:43pixelmachrisb: maybe it hangs with the screen disabled - did you try a hard power-off (holding the Power button for up to 30 seconds or so)?
09:04:02chrisbpixelma: yes
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09:23:29cfpHi everyone!
09:23:59cfpI'm trying to cutomize tagnavi_custom.config to get the following effect:
09:24:27cfpYou'd first get a list of all album artists
09:25:29cfpThen, when selecting one of those, you'd get the list of alcums which contains songs in which the selected album artist is tagged as artist.
09:26:55cfpI'd like to do this because I have a lot of different artists because of large compilations. Thus I'd like to browse only the artists for which I have an album (the ones in the Album Artist list), but then I'd like the list of their songs to include the ones which are on compilations CS =)
09:27:05cfpAny ideas?
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09:38:26cfpHmmm, anyone? =)
09:39:10cfpThe doc doesn't mention a way to broaden the selection once it's been narrowed by using the albumartist filter...
09:40:37pixelmaI *believe* that's not possible but don't know the tagnavi syntax too well and I don't think there will be many people around here who do.
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09:48:59pixelmahmm, looks like compiling outside the source tree (different tree structure) is broken, I get compiling errors on linux and cygwin when compiling a Clip sim :\
09:49:26pixelmait works with the build dir inside the source tree and there are also no errors in the build table
09:50:55*pixelma wonders if r27848 is to blame
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09:54:51pixelmahmm, no... must be something else
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09:58:47pixelmait's weird anyway because it starts compiling but seems to not get the features right (it then fails in "filetypes.c" on some VOICE_EXT_FMS)
10:00:35pixelmaI now downgraded to a revision that successfully gave me other sims with the same dir structure but a Clip sim still fails
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10:04:42pixelmaaha, deleting the build dir helped. I wonder why "make clean", "make veryclean" and rerunning configure didn't
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10:08:27pixelmahmmm.... now I think I remember. The builld dir was very old and possibly untouched since before putting the target config files in a subdirectory and that change wasn't caught by "make clean". Sorry for the noise :)
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10:30:14leavittxHey! How do i build a plugin for windows simulator?
10:33:01leavittxI guess I need crosscompiler..
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10:48:37leavittxDoes cowon d2 have video output working under rockbox? I heed to demonstrate rockbox on big screen :)
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10:51:15pixelmaI don''t think so
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11:00:22CIA-81New commit by pixelma (r27912): Clip keymap: the pitchscreen action should only hit on button release (short press) instead of every button press which made it impossible to get to ...
11:02:34CIA-81r27912 build result: All green
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11:47:25*bertrik wonders about the meaning of the return value of rtc_read_datetime
11:48:48S_a_i_n_tOh...wait. That's the meaning of life.
11:49:04bertrikhm, it's not mentioned in the header file, nobody even uses it and the as3514 RTC driver returns the magic value 7 for some reason :)
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11:52:00bertrikAnother rtc driver just returns the return value of the i2c transaction used to get the time from the RTC
11:54:34S_a_i_n_tAny Nano1G owners around? experience has told me I need to test on device even if the sim and the themeeditor tell me all is well.
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11:59:01amiconnpixelma: If you have a very old build dir, 'make clean' may leave files if they were moved at some point, which may then get in the way for a new build
12:00:13amiconnRemoving the whole build dir isn't necessary; just remove everything in it except 'Makefile', 'autoconf.h' and the 'simdisk' folder
12:01:08amiconn'make veryclean' doesn't change this at all, it just slows down the next build unnecessarily, as it additionally cleans tools/
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12:02:25bertrikI vaguely remember weird stuff happening too if you just renamed the build directory
12:06:45n1sthe generated makefile uses some absolute paths so renaming the build dir will likely break
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12:17:21CIA-81New commit by bertrik (r27913): tcc77x targets: various minor cleanups
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12:28:48funmanplease ban forum spammer akshay10
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12:34:13funmanbertrik: i think rtc_read_date_time() should be void
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13:00:34CIA-81New commit by funman (r27914): FS #11506 : python script to generate .talk clips ...
13:02:42CIA-81r27914 build result: All green
13:02:53soapfunman, done
13:03:04funmanbertrik: ah weird, the r27914 delta is present in the table but not the build result
13:04:03bertrikI'm glad you managed to get the build unstuck
13:06:43funmanpixelma: thanks for the clip keymap fix
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13:07:33pixelmano problem (if you test next time ;) )
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13:24:53CIA-81r27915 build result: All green
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14:41:15gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: re. your shopper question earlier: isn't "submit a bug report" the obvious answer?
14:43:24S_a_i_n_tyou'd think so...but, if I'd like something to actually get noticed I try to mention it here, or find the guy that "owns" the patch.
14:43:38gevaertsthere is no patch
14:44:02gevaertsmentioning here is fine, but while there are logs, this is transient
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16:55:21dennis-pI read a headline about srt support for rockbox but now that I'm looking for it I can't find any info about srt subtitles on the sansa fuze.
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17:01:28dennis-phere I read about it:
17:02:17gevaertsThere's a plugin I think
17:02:21*gevaerts isn't sure
17:02:28dennis-pfrom 2008. Has srt support been added to rockbox? where is are instructions on how to use it?
17:02:46krazykitthat's a custom build and unsupported by rockbox
17:03:01krazykitthe patch is still around:
17:03:24krazykitbut it may not patch cleanly or even compile, so you'd have to fix that before being able to use it
17:06:08CIA-81New commit by gevaerts (r27916): Fix typo
17:06:56*gevaerts was confusing srt and lrc for a minute...
17:07:58CIA-81r27916 build result: All green
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17:16:14dennis-pah, so i guess i should research hardcoding srt subtitles onto mpg then.
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17:18:38Brownoutscaling will kill your eyes
17:20:39dennis-pBrownout: Are you saying that ffmpeg can't encode readable fonts into tiny movies?
17:21:35Brownoutor that reading subs on a 1.9" screen will strain your eyes
17:22:26dennis-pAh, but gameboy teaches kids the same way.
17:24:04dennis-pIt's just that tv has reduced the number of subtitled programmes and lipsyncs everything to enlarge the add target market
17:25:13*S_a_i_n_t fears the conversation has veered off into a tangent.
17:25:22dennis-pand i wanted them to read English while hearing English before bedtime at their own speed.
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17:27:18dennis-pWell, if it helps rockbox devs to insert srt support into mainline as they realise the international usage appeal, everybody wins.
17:28:27dennis-panyway, if some of you do include srt support into rockbox please make so that one can click the srt file to start the movie. That way kids can choose between English and other subs.
17:29:21S_a_i_n_trockbox devs generally only work on things that interest them.
17:29:36S_a_i_n_tOr, other things they break while implementing things that interest them ;)
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17:36:53dennis-pI would love to combine srt's so that only the difficult words are in Dutch and the easy conversations in shows are subbed only in English. And as srt are plain text that is something that i can do. I can't go into the kids house and force them to watch Star Trek's Picard with english subs but I can enhance their request for Katy Perry with some properly pronounced English for when they are bored :-)
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17:48:08leavittx_Guys, what do you think about building simulator for win under *nix? :)
17:52:16bertrikI don't really see the point in that
17:53:42gevaertsleavittx_: that's commonly done...
18:00:05leavittx_gevaerts: tried to do it with replacing commands in Makefile with mingw ones...not luck :(
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18:16:12gevaertsleavittx_: try picking (A)dvanced in configure
18:18:16gevaertsAnd then S and W
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18:43:13leavittx_gevaerts: cool! I'm so stupid! Another question: is it possible to run simulator in fullscreen? :)
18:43:57gevaertsAre you sure you want the simulator?
18:46:47AlexPleavittx_: No, as it simulates Rockbox devices :)
18:47:03funmaniirc you can zoom with −−zoom though
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18:48:27gevaertsFullscreen is easy to do though. You just have to add one flag to the SDL_SetVideoMode() call in system-sdl.c
18:48:46*gevaerts can't remember which one though
18:48:58gevaertsah, SDL_FULLSCREEN
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19:13:02funmanis there any reason why lcd_putsf() isn't available to plugins?
19:13:17gevaertsProbably the usual
19:13:22gevaertsNo plugin ever needed it?
19:13:34*funman just found a candidate
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19:52:29CIA-81New commit by funman (r27917): pitch_detector: avoid a division by zero when changing 'lowest frequency' setting
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19:52:38funmani didn't add lcd_remote_putsf() but it could be done
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19:59:43seaniIs there a quick way (#define or similar) that I can force a build to have a narrower screen than it actually has? Or pretend it generally has a screen of different dimensions?
20:00:26funmanchange LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT in config/model.h
20:00:37gevaertsseani: see firmware/config/export/<your_target>.h
20:01:09seaniThanks folks, I shall wander through both
20:01:25gevaertsThey're the same!
20:01:45seaniThen I should be finished in half the time
20:02:14gevaertsgood news :)
20:12:48seanigevaerts: However I get an error building the rockblox plugin. Is there a similarly quick way to ignore one or more plugins?
20:13:24gevaertsedit apps/plugins/SOURCES is going to be the quickest way I guess
20:13:59seanigevaerts: Ok, ta!
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20:22:03saratogabluebroth3r: any chance of a new rockbox utility release soon? the SVN build patch the new clip+/fuze revision fine, but the release is too old for them
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20:55:08kugelfunman: isn't lcd_putsf available via the multi screen api?
20:56:03funmanwhat's the difference between lcd_puts() and lcd_putsf()? I realize i changed a lot of lcd_putsxy() into lcd_putsf() but i'm not 100% sure it's correct
20:57:25funmankugel: you think we should remove "rb->lcd_putsf" and use "rb->screens[0]->putsf" ?
20:58:20kugelIIRC the use of the multi screen api is encouraged
20:58:33funmani can change that
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21:00:55funmani don't understand how lcd_puts and lcd_putsxy have the same prototype
21:01:07funmanreading lcd-bitmap-common.c it seems the difference is with the "style" ?
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21:03:00funmanalso there are 2 kind of functions: "ofs_style" and "style_offset" ??
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21:03:27kugellcd_puts is line based, lcd_putsxy is pixel based
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21:03:49funmanoh ..
21:04:20kugelI think putsf is also pixel based
21:04:36funmantime for putsxyf then
21:05:25funmanyes putsf is basically just alias for snprintf(buf, .....); putsf(buf)
21:06:46kugelso it's line based (I was wrong)
21:07:42CIA-81New commit by funman (r27919): pitch detector: remove unused functions for sim builds
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22:00:06soapAlexP, I am far from a FAT master - but could not dircache compare the last time the FAT was updated and use that as a trigger to scan or not?
22:00:31gevaertsI doubt it
22:00:43soap(anyone else with more knowledge of me feel free to answer on why _must_ dircache scan every boot)
22:00:51soap*than me
22:01:23gevaertsI'm not sure if the FAT actually has a timestamp, but that could be worked around by just checksumming it
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22:01:43gevaertsThe real issue I see though is that to e.g. rename a file, you don't touch the FAT, just the directory
22:02:05amiconnThe fat itself has no timestamp afaik
22:02:35amiconnIirc the fsinfo block (fat32 only) does, but then not even all versions of windows update it properly
22:03:43soapthat's interesting, and opens a parallel question: Is the incidence of user-renaming w/o touching the FAT for some other reason common enough to worry about addressing that possibility when the disc scan could be saved (or at least done when actually needed) in (what I can only assume is) the vast majority of cases?
22:04:26AlexPIf it could lead to corruption/data loss then yes, IMO (although I don't know how likely that is)
22:04:43soapcreate the option "Scan on boot / Scan on FAT change*" with a disclaimer given in the manual to the possible downside to the second choice?
22:04:53AlexPAnd if it could, then we shouldn't offer the option even with disclaimers
22:04:57gevaerts"rename" *probably* includes most of the "move to another directory" cases
22:05:00soapwhat is the pathway for corruption, AlexP?
22:05:05AlexPHow many people read those?
22:05:26AlexPsoap: I don't know, which is why I said I don't know how likely that is :)
22:05:32soapthe failure mode would be "missing" files from the browser, no?
22:05:32*gevaerts would prefer to examine other solutions first
22:06:23bertrikCan we make dircache a little less aggressive, making it only remember directory entries that are opened during normal operation anyway, instead of actively scanning? or would that defeat the whole purpose of dircache?
22:06:28soapThe same failure as when you didn't allow enough items in dircache for your directory structure.
22:07:01gevaertsCould the dircache scan optimise for seek times? i.e. could it order the list of directories it has to scan (but already knows about, obviously) by proximity to current disk location? Or does it already do such things?
22:08:15amiconnAfaiu that's impossible. The directories form a hierarchic tree
22:08:38gevaertsIt's impossible in general, yes
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22:09:15gevaertsHowever, it could e.g. know which subdirectories in the directory it's currently looking at it's going to scan, and order *those*
22:09:23gevaertsMaybe it's not worth it though
22:09:48*gevaerts is a bit surprised by the complaints though. r25459 was supposed to help a lot...
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22:10:31amiconnThat probably won't help much, if at all
22:10:40amiconnThe directories themselves can be fragmented
22:10:56amiconnThey are just (special) files after all
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22:11:02gevaertshm, right
22:11:40bertrikamiconn, yeah but I suppose a single cluster is already big enough to contain a *lot* of entries
22:12:48soapwhen you say "other solutions", gevaerts, are you referring to leaving the scans inevitable but making them more efficient?
22:12:57gevaertsIt might speed up the scan a bit, but it won't actually fix the real issue, which is that (people report that) during the scan nothing really works properly. It doesn't really matter if the scan takes 8 minutes or 4 minutes
22:13:16gevaertssoap: at least try to make the scans not interfere with normal operation
22:13:23amiconnOne 32KB cluster (the maximum size) contains 1K entries. The number of files this evaluates to is potentially much smaller, as LFNs need several entries
22:13:46amiconnA directory has a maximum allowed size of 64K entries == 2MB
22:14:08gevaertsSeriously though, while I never had multi-minute scans (I have 15 seconds or so), since r25459 I can start playback immediately, while the scan is still going on
22:14:28gevaertsSo I wonder why people are still seeing issues
22:14:52amiconnWell, you will run into problems if you have a ton of files (e.g. the HVSC)
22:15:55soapYes, I've never had issues, but I've never had a ton of files either. The first time I recall these problems starting to pop up was when Rockbox started supporting all the chip tune formats and people seemed to have /thousands/ of little files in their directories.
22:16:04gevaertsSure, those will make any scan-related issue worse, but with this priority scheme that shouldn't matter...
22:16:41*gevaerts wonders if this is again an effect that's hugely amplified by the 80gb ipod disk
22:18:23soapI was going to ask that, but I was under the impression the performance problems on that drive and the 5.5G had been mostly ironed out.
22:18:38amiconnThe MK8011GAH shouldn't matter, as the dircache scan is read-only
22:19:00gevaertsThat disk does seem to hugely impact font cache loading
22:19:24gevaertsWell, without this week's changes there
22:20:05amiconnFor reading it should be almost the same as an ordinary disk, just that it reads in 1024 byte chunks instead of 512 byte
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22:21:57amiconnWriting with 512 byte buffer is where things are becoming nasty: As the ata driver cannot know whether another 512 byte sector will follow, it reads 1024 bytes, modifies one half, then writes those 1024 bytes back. The disk firmware doesn't expect two subsequent accesses to the same sector, hence it has to do heavy internal seeking (it expects the next sector to be accessed next)
22:24:27Zetwow, this is the nerdiest channel I've seen in a while
22:24:28ZetI like it
22:35:29gevaertsOK, I *definitely* can't reproduce the issue on my 30GB video
22:40:02gevaertsThis is with four copies of the hvsc on the disk, so there should be enough files to keep dircache busy for a while
22:42:17gevaertshm, wait
22:42:28gevaertsdircache says it's not initialised...
22:42:48AlexPtoo many maybe
22:42:52gevaertsyes, probably
22:43:00*gevaerts throws two copies away
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22:46:32gevaertsok, now it's doing what I want
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22:47:42gevaertsI boot the player, dircache scan starts in background, I start playback, I have sound well within a second, and a minute or so later the disk stops doing things
22:48:41gevaertsSo for me this is clearly working. I can understand people not liking the disk spinning for several minutes for a battery p.o.v., but I'm not seeing any other problems than that
22:49:34gevaertsThis is using a revision from today, but the priority scheme was committed well before 3.6, so behaviour shouldn't have changed in a long time
22:50:14*gevaerts secretly hopes that this forum user will come back and say "3.5" or something like that
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23:46:20CIA-81New commit by funman (r27921): Implement lcd(_remote)_putsxyf() and export to plugins
23:46:24CIA-81New commit by funman (r27922): pitch_detector: use lcd_putsxyf(), not lcd_putsf()
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23:54:25CIA-81New commit by funman (r27928): fix r27926 : lcd_puts() not changed to lcd_putsf()
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