#rockbox 2010-09-01

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00:21:22	guest	Hello, I was installing Rockbox onto my Sansa e280 using the Rockbox Utility. After I had selected my audio player from the list and path as well, I clicked Ok and watch it download the Bootloader, which it did successfully according to the window that came up. It then moved on to something else, when "It encountered a problem and needed to close." Now my Sansa has blue wave-like lines scrolling across it and is not recognized by Windows. How can I either r
00:22:43	gevaerts	guest: your text got cut of at "How can I either r". irc has a limited line length
00:23:25	gevaerts	Apart from that, if you hold the power button for a while (30 seconds or so should do it), the sansa should turn off.
00:24:34	guest	How can I either return it to its original state or complete the rockbox installation?
00:24:41	guest	And okay, I have turned it off.
00:25:09	gevaerts	If you turn it on again, what happens?
00:26:50	guest	SanDisk black/grey screen like normal comes up, then on the main menu Refresh Database comes up, and it has a progress bar underneath it that seems to be moving slowly
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00:28:33	guest	The bar filled and now it seems to be functioning normally
00:28:35	gevaerts	ok, it seems like the installation failed early then, and nothing actually got installed
00:28:52	gevaerts	That's the good news, no tedious recovery needed :)
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00:29:43	guest	Is there any bad news that goes along with that?
00:29:56	gevaerts	Well, I have no idea why Rockbox Utility crashed
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00:30:16	gevaerts	Which operating system are you using?
00:30:20	guest	XP
00:31:43	gevaerts	That should work well. I haven't heard anything like this before...
00:32:44	gevaerts	Maybe some conflict with a specific driver, or specific software
00:32:59	*	gevaerts doesn't really have any idea here
00:33:59	guest	Should I try again and see what happens, or just go with the manual install?
00:34:43	gevaerts	maybe try it one more time, yes
00:36:52	guest	Everything seems to be going smoothly now
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00:47:43	guest	Okay, it's installed and running. Thank you
00:47:48	gevaerts	Great!
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01:12:43	Om3ga	ok, thx for the help.
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01:32:00	CIA-81	New commit by mc2739 (r27961): Sansa c200v2 is now unstable and no longer needs special consideration for sim builds
01:33:54	CIA-81	r27961 build result: All green
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01:51:15	funman	Bug2000: % wget http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/clip/bootloader-clip.sansa % strings bootloader-clip.sansa\|grep 'Boot ' Boot 2.0
01:51:47	funman	the bootloader is 2.0
01:52:30	funman	saratoga: i got ~ 9 hours of runtime on clipv1
01:53:06	funman	and no crashes when using cabbiev2
01:53:18	funman	16h40 runtime on fuzev1
01:53:43	saratoga	funman: how does that compare?
01:54:07	funman	only a bit more (used to be 8h on clipv1, 14h45 on fuzev1 according to SansaRuntime)
01:54:51	saratoga	thats not bad
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01:55:18	funman	relevant diff: http://pastie.org/1130359
01:56:15	saratoga	whats the issue with reclocking PCLK on boost?
01:56:52	funman	no issue, i think it just needs to be implemented and benched (it might already be implemented)
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01:57:11	funman	now we use fastbus so when unboosted, pclk = fclk
01:57:37	saratoga	that could stay if we did 32/32 and 128/64
01:58:44	funman	ah the problem would be we need to reclock all peripherals
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02:08:53	CIA-81	New commit by funman (r27962): FS #11587 : voice for SWCODEC and low memory ...
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03:02:14	Davide-NYC	Anybody interested in a WebOS device to port Rockbox to?
03:02:24	Davide-NYC	If you do the port you keep the device.
03:03:00	Davide-NYC	If I wanted to post this offer someplace more visible to devs where would I post it?
03:04:13	krazykit	the -dev mailing list?
03:04:49	Davide-NYC	Of course.
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03:25:20	JdGordon\|	Davide-NYC: you shuold be able to use alot of the android work as a base...
03:26:05	Davide-NYC	I do not have the knowledge o the time an I have two of these devices.
03:26:21	Davide-NYC	The offer has been made on the -dev email list. :-)
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05:40:03	Horscht	gevaerts, if you read this: 1:20 minutes of buffering and wps load. No dircache or bootup.
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08:02:38	JdGordon\|	freddyb: should that change fix random theme load crashes?
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08:18:48	freddyb	I doubt it unless it was a low skin font memory issue.
08:19:33	freddyb	font_table[].name is just used to check for already loaded fonts, right?
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08:55:22	JdGordon\|	freddyb: ah ok, nuts :)
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08:58:19	freddyb	Is there a specific bug or FS?
08:59:23	Zagor	nice webos offer
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09:02:21	JdGordon\|	freddyb: no, and i havnt done any debugging.. my skins dont consistantly load but cabie does. i was hoping that would be the fix. havnt tried yet
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09:06:01	freddyb	My patch that loads glyphs in disk order adds 512 shorts to the stack. That's not causing grief when loading a complex skin is it?
09:06:19	gevaerts	hm, that's a lot
09:06:56	gevaerts	Well, it depends really. when does it do that?
09:07:46	gevaerts	If it's from early in the wps parsing, you're probably fine. If it's while parsing some deeply nested tags, I'd expect you might have problems
09:08:39	JdGordon\|	assuming it is done in skin_font_load() then it is at the very end so no nesting
09:08:57	gevaerts	yes, the end is OK too :)
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09:13:39	freddyb	I tried doubling it and i'm not getting any crashes...
09:14:43	freddyb	Is it a certain target?
09:15:10	gevaerts	Doubling it might not do much. The problems (if any) would occur for people who use complex skins that now are near the stack limit
09:15:19	gevaerts	We don't have any numbers on that though
09:15:31	gevaerts	The best way is really to check from where it's called
09:16:01	freddyb	I should have said 512 bytes before. (256x2)
09:17:08	gevaerts	In which function is that?
09:17:55	freddyb	glyph_cache_load in firmware/font.c
09:25:44	gevaerts	That's from skin_font_load(), so yes, it should be safe
09:30:04	freddyb	I'm not having any luck getting my iPod Video to crash... Sorry. Goodnight.
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09:32:36	pixelma	re. glyphs and stacks: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11590 (Lear said it would have something to do with stack overflow possibly)
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09:35:52	pixelma	although that's just a WPS with the user font
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10:05:38	*	S_a_i_n_t thanks pixelma for adding: FS #11593 - %Vf/%Vb (viewport colours) not working in conditionals
10:06:12	S_a_i_n_t	I discovered this a week or so ago, and forgot about it...trying to do exactly what you were doing with the "warning" indicator for volume.
10:07:45	pixelma	I find the other bugs more important though because you can already do this with putting the stuff into their own viewports
10:09:57	S_a_i_n_t	Oh..sure, but..if something should work...it should work ;)
10:10:14	S_a_i_n_t	Otherwise, there was no point strippint the tags from the fiewport def
10:10:23	S_a_i_n_t	*viewport, even.
10:10:38	S_a_i_n_t	*stripping, also...gah
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10:20:01	JdGord	S_a_i_n_t: did u get a chance to test that patch?
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10:20:59	S_a_i_n_t	JdGord: Yeah...I did. It seemed to work as expected, but, I kinda lost track of what the issue it was supposed to fix was.
10:21:40	JdGord	You didn't notice any issues with it related to timing?
10:21:47	S_a_i_n_t	sublines seemed to "think twice" about changing on device, though.
10:22:19	S_a_i_n_t	that's kinda hard to explain...sometimes there was pieces of the previous line left inplace until the new line scrolled over it :/
10:22:36	S_a_i_n_t	Timing seemed ok, though.
10:23:27	JdGord	?
10:24:30	S_a_i_n_t	when two lines alternated, sometimes there's chars left over from the previous line until the new line scrolls and "runs over" them.
10:25:32	JdGord	How would I go about profiling the skin display code? It almost certainly could be sped up
10:26:23	JdGord	Hmm. Ok that means the flag saying do a full clear isn't being set. Is this only some Kline's?
10:26:46	Bug2000	Using the multimedia buttons on the clip is fun XD
10:27:17	pixelma	btw. I noticed that the cabbiev2 Clip port has viewports which don't cover the screen completely (there are smal gaps between them), these parts are not cleared if e.g. a splash was drawn there and goes away already. I wondered if changing the WPS would be the correct way to "fix" it, it feels more like a workaround... :\
10:27:41	S_a_i_n_t	JdGord I have a feeling that the issue I'm seeing occasionally with sublines leaving chars behind is another issue entirely, perhaps aggrivated by something recently...I had definitely seen it prior to thepatch, but, only very occasionally. nowhere near as often as I saw last night.
10:28:44	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: That's very odd...I had that issue on some themes with the old parser...and the new parser seems to have fixed it.
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11:12:49	webguest04	gevaerts: hi, you suggested I use mformat instead of mkdosfs the other night on an ipod 5.5g 80gb. I was webguest412 that night. I didn't know what drive letter to give the mounted ipod so I tried "mformat -v RBiPod -n 2048 -F /dev/sde2", but it just returned a usage message. Any more suggestions? and is mformat really meant for such large filesystems? Thanks
11:13:44	gevaerts	webguest04: you can configure drive letters in /etc/mtools.conf
11:14:14	gevaerts	webguest04: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32 has some more information on mformat (near the end)
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12:15:17	S_a_i_n_t	Hehehe...gotta love inconsistent bugs.
12:16:01	S_a_i_n_t	I see pictureflow is plagued by aborts and undefined instructions on several targets, one reported target is Nano2G...whereas all mine are working fine ;)
12:24:38	pixelma	I wonder if it has only to do with pictureflow itself or if a theme problem is involved too as the crashes are reported when going directly from pictureflow to the WPS
12:26:43	pixelma	funman confirmed for the Fuze, maybe looking up the crash address helps
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12:27:44	S_a_i_n_t	it gets weirder...I now have to edit my post in the forums, and, negate the previous post here.
12:28:19	S_a_i_n_t	I tried to reproduce it on several builds, updated my builds, and couldn't reproduce it...now, I can, every time :-S
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12:28:51	S_a_i_n_t	however, I can get into pictureflow from the WPS fine, I just can't commence playback.
12:29:06	S_a_i_n_t	the address reported is always different, also.
12:29:13	Umrtvovacz	Hi, can i ask some questions about Rockbox?
12:29:21	S_a_i_n_t	Of course!
12:29:26	S_a_i_n_t	its the perfect place to ;)
12:29:35	Umrtvovacz	Is anyone here using Rockbox on Cowon D2+?
12:30:02	S_a_i_n_t	Just ask your question, the channel is logged...someone will see it.
12:30:32	Umrtvovacz	How is Rockbox working with D2+? I read all the articles about it and i am still not sure whether the touchscreen is fully functional or not
12:30:49	S_a_i_n_t	It is certainly usuable.
12:31:04	Umrtvovacz	also i need to be able to play .flac format of music because i am a little adiophile
12:31:10	Umrtvovacz	adiophile :-D
12:31:12	pixelma	people report problems with the current build
12:31:16	S_a_i_n_t	.flac is supported.
12:31:25	Umrtvovacz	what are those problems?
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12:33:18	JdGordon	Umrtvovacz: the touchscreen more depends on the theme for how useable it is. If it is one done for the D2 it should work well
12:33:35	JdGordon	if you are stuck with the grid touh mode then it isnt so much fun
12:34:03	pixelma	the touchscreen itself is supported, the UI is set to a 3x3 grid mode per default which lets you control everything but is quite different to what you are used to. You can set it to "absolute" mode, which means you can touch things directly but not all screens work with this yet
12:34:53	Umrtvovacz	Then what theme should i use? i want some simplistic, minimalistic and well-arranged one, with few colors and none pictures
12:35:10	S_a_i_n_t	check the themesite.
12:35:12	Umrtvovacz	also one which should work in absolute mode
12:35:18	Umrtvovacz	I checked
12:35:19	S_a_i_n_t	But, there are little options for the D2
12:35:55	Umrtvovacz	But i am not sure how to tell which one is working in absolute mode and which is practical for use
12:36:04	S_a_i_n_t	You can always create a theme to suit your needs.
12:36:05	JdGordon	also you need to use a SD card with it (which might not be an issue)
12:36:17	S_a_i_n_t	It isn't as daunting as it may seem at first, especially if you only want a simple one.
12:36:43	pixelma	re. the problems: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10164.msg170972#msg170972 and following, that's all I know
12:36:52	Umrtvovacz	Yeah i've got 32gb SDHC card. it would be OK, right?
12:37:53	Umrtvovacz	Also i read about destroying cards on D2 page, and it scared the hell out of me
12:38:34	S_a_i_n_t	Basically, if you don't want to take any risk at all...rockbox is not for you.
12:38:52	S_a_i_n_t	there is always some risk something can go wrong, with any port.
12:38:56	S_a_i_n_t	even stable ones.
12:39:01	Umrtvovacz	Hehe
12:39:08	Umrtvovacz	I love taking some risk
12:39:20	Umrtvovacz	i just dont want it to be REALLY dangerous
12:40:30	Umrtvovacz	Please could somebody recommend me some theme for my D2?
12:40:48	Umrtvovacz	If any of you have some experience with them
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12:41:18	S_a_i_n_t	Only those on the themesite, it's best to just install them and see for yourself.
12:41:41	Umrtvovacz	Okey, thanks.
12:42:11	Umrtvovacz	What is RG noCLip please?
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12:44:18	Umrtvovacz	Also i hate the little silent pause in between songs on my original D2 firmaware. Is this on rockbox too or do songs play right after each other?
12:44:41	S_a_i_n_t	RB supports gapless playback, yes.
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12:45:30	Umrtvovacz	Thanks god, thats what I need.
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12:45:45	Umrtvovacz	Thank you for very usefull info
12:46:06	Umrtvovacz	also, can you please point me to page how to create my own theme?
12:46:32	S_a_i_n_t	one second..
12:46:38	Umrtvovacz	Thanks very much :-)
12:46:56	S_a_i_n_t	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-cowond2/rockbox-build.html
12:47:09	S_a_i_n_t	the manual lists theme tags.
12:47:24	Umrtvovacz	Thanks
12:47:33	S_a_i_n_t	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/CustomWPS
12:47:54	S_a_i_n_t	also, but, the manual is the best source of current info
12:48:13	S_a_i_n_t	info on the wiki may be out-of-date for theme syntax
12:49:32	Umrtvovacz	I read somwhere that i can dualbox both original D2 firmware and Rockbox at the same time. Is it possible? If yes, how can i do it? That would fit me best
12:50:18	S_a_i_n_t	you can't run both firmwares at the same time, but, you can have the original firmware, and RB installed at the same time, yes.
12:50:49	Umrtvovacz	Thats what i meant. Sorry english is not my native language.
12:51:16	S_a_i_n_t	And, the default installation allows dual-boot, I'm about 99% certain of this.
12:51:35	S_a_i_n_t	the manual covers installation, and...pretty much everything else you might want to know ;)
12:51:53	Umrtvovacz	Thanks very much :-)
12:52:25	Umrtvovacz	Also, is it possible to use this theme http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=794&target=cowond2 but change background and font?
12:53:52	S_a_i_n_t	sure, you can change *everything8 you see in that theme (within reason)
12:54:05	Umrtvovacz	Nice!
12:54:06	S_a_i_n_t	um, everything, ratehr
12:54:14	S_a_i_n_t	*rather
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13:00:56	Umrtvovacz	What types of videofiles does Rockbox support? Can i play like 640x368 avi file with subtitules or do i need to converse them like with original firmware?
13:01:14	S_a_i_n_t	check the manual ;)
13:01:30	S_a_i_n_t	it explains everything about video playback.
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13:01:53	S_a_i_n_t	You will however, need to scale the video to your screen size.
13:02:11	Umrtvovacz	aw :-(
13:02:14	Umrtvovacz	I hate it
13:02:31	S_a_i_n_t	WinFF will do this for you.
13:02:48	Umrtvovacz	I'll look it up. Thanks
13:05:07	S_a_i_n_t	Umrtvovacz: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-cowond2/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-22500010.3.8 <−−MPEG playback
13:05:17	Umrtvovacz	What about basic Rockbox skin? It seems quite minimalistic, how well it works with absolute mode of touchpad?
13:05:23	Umrtvovacz	Thanks
13:06:14	Umrtvovacz	About plugins, which ones are most usefull?
13:06:15	S_a_i_n_t	I'm not sure as to whether or not the default skin (cabbieV2) supports absolute mode or not, sorry.
13:06:24	Umrtvovacz	No prob.
13:06:48	S_a_i_n_t	Depends on what you class as "usefull" ;)
13:07:12	JdGordon1	it should work more or less fine...
13:07:28	JdGordon1	someone really needs to put some effort into a cabbie sbs with touch support
13:07:36	S_a_i_n_t	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-cowond2/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-22500010.3.8 <−−D2 Plugins.
13:07:52	*	JdGordon1 prods S_a_i_n_t again for the popup image :)
13:08:08	JdGordon1	I'll even trade you a bug fix for it! :)
13:08:55	Umrtvovacz	Thats a lot of plugins
13:09:05	Umrtvovacz	Most seem fun :-)
13:09:07	JdGordon1	not really... most are shit and not worth trying :D
13:09:29	AlexP	S_a_i_n_t: I think I'm going to close FS #11579
13:10:03	AlexP	For a number of reasons: 1) It isn't worth confusing users for a personal preference change that has no real justification 2) It breaks consistency with all other targets
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13:11:20	S_a_i_n_t	there's plenty more useless crap you could close before that! ;)
13:11:43	AlexP	Sure, but you have to start somewhere :)
13:11:58	AlexP	I closed an arse load during devcon, but haven't got back to it since
13:12:07	S_a_i_n_t	there needs to be a "melting pot" of patches not necessarily considered for committing, but which some people may find usefull.
13:12:16	AlexP	There is a wiki page for that
13:12:22	AlexP	Started during devcon :)
13:12:22	S_a_i_n_t	I realise however, that the tracker is not that place
13:12:30	AlexP	UsefulPatched or some such
13:12:33	S_a_i_n_t	there is? linky?
13:12:35	AlexP	Only one thing on it atm IIRC
13:12:41	S_a_i_n_t	Aha...awesome...thanks.
13:12:42	JdGordon1	switching context/quickscreen could be easily done in a setting
13:12:51	JdGordon1	which isnt NOdO anym,ore :)
13:13:09	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon1: But then you get the "ewwww, too many settings" naysayers.
13:13:14	AlexP	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulPatches
13:13:17	S_a_i_n_t	which for this, I'd probably agree with.
13:13:28	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: bugger them :)
13:13:34	S_a_i_n_t	:D
13:13:43	AlexP	S_a_i_n_t: I'd argue against an option to switch two functions - if you are going to start playing around then make it fully configurable
13:13:59	gevaerts	Please don't have seventeen different configurable button settings!
13:14:18	AlexP	exactly - if buttons are going to get configurable then go the whole hog and do it properly
13:14:21	JdGordon1	only because you asked so nicely :)
13:14:22	gevaerts	One general mechanism is much saner
13:14:41	AlexP	It isn't a nodo, someone just has to come up with a good system, then implement it :)
13:14:55	S_a_i_n_t	I put the patch up after a conversation with... bertrik(?) where we both decided that the context menu made more sense on the button clearly labled "Menu".
13:15:14	gevaerts	I think it's a DoItRight though
13:15:23	AlexP	gevaerts: Exactly
13:15:44	AlexP	S_a_i_n_t: In that case you need general agreement to change it for all targets
13:15:50	AlexP	Not just one random one
13:16:00	S_a_i_n_t	but, it only makes sense for that one.
13:16:28	S_a_i_n_t	well, those one(s)
13:16:28	AlexP	Why?
13:16:42	AlexP	Plenty of other targets have buttons marked menu as well
13:16:51	S_a_i_n_t	because I'm not sure if any other target has the clearly labled "Menu" button.
13:16:57	S_a_i_n_t	ah...well, ok.
13:17:01	AlexP	Also, you know with all targets that the button that does select also does context menu
13:17:11	AlexP	It is nicely consistent
13:17:18	AlexP	I can pick up any and know that
13:17:45	S_a_i_n_t	Another aspect the patch has (which I like) is it stops you from messing up quickscreen settings when trying to do a "charge only" connection.
13:18:00	AlexP	That is an argument for moving the charging button
13:18:12	AlexP	but anyway, it is pointless left open
13:18:12	S_a_i_n_t	yeah...I tried that ;)
13:18:19	S_a_i_n_t	that conversation went very badly.
13:18:32	AlexP	It isn't going to go in anytime soon (if ever) and just clutters up the tracker
13:18:58	S_a_i_n_t	yeah...I see your point, you don't have to justify yourself.
13:19:00	AlexP	And it is such a trivial change that if it is decided any committer can do it in 30 seconds
13:19:02	Umrtvovacz	Is there some Donate button anywhere? Preferably Paypall.
13:19:10	AlexP	Umrtvovacz: Should be one on the front page
13:19:22	S_a_i_n_t	http://www.rockbox.org/
13:19:23	AlexP	On every page in fact
13:19:24	Umrtvovacz	yeah just saw it sorry :-(
13:19:29	S_a_i_n_t	towards the bottom
13:19:31	Umrtvovacz	its small :-D
13:19:39	AlexP	No need to be sorry if you are abiout to click it :)
13:20:27	S_a_i_n_t	Perhaps he jst wanted to know what it looked like so he didn't click it accidentally ;)
13:20:34	AlexP	hehe :)
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13:22:17	Umrtvovacz	Yeah exactly :-D
13:22:26	Umrtvovacz	I hope even small donates helps
13:23:30	AlexP	certainly does, thanks :)
13:23:47	Umrtvovacz	Rockbox is in Czech language too?
13:23:55	Umrtvovacz	thats surely a surprise
13:24:23	Umrtvovacz	i'll use english anway
13:24:43	gevaerts	Actually, it looks like Czech is one of the better supported translations
13:24:48	S_a_i_n_t	I think the most surprising one (to me anyway) is Esperanto ;)
13:24:49	Umrtvovacz	but you know i didnt expected to see any czech
13:25:12	Umrtvovacz	does anybody speak that in real?
13:25:18	Umrtvovacz	i mean esperanto
13:25:25	S_a_i_n_t	Apparently.
13:25:36	Umrtvovacz	czech is spoken by like 11m people but esperanto? :-D
13:26:50	Umrtvovacz	What about Voice Files? My experience is that every gadget that tries to speak to me sounds funny.
13:28:25	S_a_i_n_t	It certainly sounds very mechanical, and computerised...but, understandable.
13:28:42	Umrtvovacz	That would scare the hell out of me :-D
13:28:50	Umrtvovacz	Does it reads E-books?
13:28:52	pixelma	it depends on how the voice file was created
13:29:04	S_a_i_n_t	It is there primarily for vision impaired users as I understand it.
13:29:17	S_a_i_n_t	More of a novelty for the sighted.
13:29:50	Umrtvovacz	If it is capable of reading e-books then it could be hugely usefull, for i can't read e-books while driving, obviously.
13:30:22	S_a_i_n_t	No, it can't.
13:30:30	S_a_i_n_t	That would need in core TTS support.
13:30:47	S_a_i_n_t	the voice files are pre-generated.
13:31:10	Umrtvovacz	:-(
13:33:05	Umrtvovacz	Thanks for all your help, I am gonna install Rockbox right now, I think i can find all other needed info by myself, otherwise i'll ask you again.
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14:29:11	Umrtvovacz	Rockbox sais:
14:29:11	Umrtvovacz	ATA
14:29:11	Umrtvovacz	mount
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14:29:11	Umrtvovacz	file not found
14:29:23	Umrtvovacz	What did i did wrong please?
14:29:46	Umrtvovacz	to be exact Rockbox loader
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14:34:18	n1s	Umrtvovacz: did you install rockbox itself?
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14:35:04	Umrtvovacz	I think so
14:35:12	Umrtvovacz	I cant install "Full" tho
14:35:33	n1s	Umrtvovacz: do you have a .rockbox dir in the root of your device containing the rockbox files?
14:35:52	Umrtvovacz	yeah
14:36:01	Umrtvovacz	I surely do
14:36:41	Umrtvovacz	Maybe i can not use "Full" beacuse D2+ is not stable?
14:36:51	Umrtvovacz	because*
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14:36:57	n1s	ah d2, dunno if that has any special quirks
14:37:30	Umrtvovacz	:-(
14:38:01	n1s	from the wiki "If an SD card is inserted at power on, Rockbox will boot from that card and use it as the primary drive for storing settings, etc."
14:38:12	Umrtvovacz	oh
14:38:13	n1s	so install to the sd card if you use it
14:38:25	Umrtvovacz	thats great help, thanks
14:38:30	Umrtvovacz	now one more question
14:38:38	Umrtvovacz	how do i install rockbox on a card?
14:38:50	n1s	just download and unzip to the card
14:39:00	n1s	the utility can probably not do this
14:39:02	Umrtvovacz	oh
14:39:04	Umrtvovacz	thanks
14:40:55	ack`	Umrtvovacz: to boot on rockbox with the D2 don't forget to put the device on Hold immediately after powering on
14:41:07	Umrtvovacz	I did
14:41:18	Umrtvovacz	I just have to put it on card now, thanks you all
14:41:38	ack`	booting using the internal memory works on D2, but I'm not sure about the D2+
14:41:56	Umrtvovacz	Doesnt seems so
14:42:16	ack`	anyway, using the internal memory is useless since you cannot store settings
14:42:41	Umrtvovacz	oh :-D
14:42:53	Umrtvovacz	i just guessed how to save it
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14:43:11	n1s	the wiki says that it boots from internal memory if there's no sd card inserted when booting
14:43:29	Umrtvovacz	i do have card
14:44:54	Umrtvovacz	so i just put the .rockbox on an SD card?
14:45:13	ack`	yes
14:45:22	Umrtvovacz	Nice. Thanks
14:45:25	ack`	and don't forget to flash the patched firmware
14:45:46	Umrtvovacz	I did already. Thanks.
14:46:05	Umrtvovacz	can i have another q?
14:46:36	Umrtvovacz	Where can i get Theme Editor?
14:46:50	Umrtvovacz	i would love to make my own, simple one
14:47:47	AlexP	I don't think there are any builds (but I might be wrong), you'll need to compile it
14:48:46	ack`	Umrtvovacz: what OS are you using?
14:49:10	ack`	you can get builds (Windows only) here: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/themeeditor/
14:49:25	Umrtvovacz	I am using WIndows 7 Pro
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14:50:13	Umrtvovacz	Thanks-a-lot
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15:36:40	AlexP	I didn't know they existed
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16:03:22	funman	root_menu.c:658 next_screen = load_plugin_screen(...pictureflow.rock)
16:03:41	funman	load_plugin_screen() returns -2 (== GO_TO_WPS)
16:10:44	funman	hm -2 == GO_TO_PREVIOUS
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16:17:06	funman	saratoga: do you remember if we made battery bench on AMSv1 with boosting completely disabled?
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16:18:08	funman	All: ok for marking the clipv1 stable?
16:18:09	IuDeX	hi all
16:18:30	IuDeX	I have one question. Rockbox works on e200v3?
16:18:41	IuDeX	In informations I have v03.
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16:19:46	funman	IuDeX: e200 with firmware v03.x is e200v2, and yes it works
16:19:59	IuDeX	funman: ok, thanks.
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16:20:05	funman	firmware v01.x is e200v1, firmware v03.x is e200v2. There is no firmware v02.x for e200
16:20:19	funman	check the manual for e200v2 it is explained
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16:33:19	S_a_i_n_t	+nman; Pictureflow is expected to be fixed now?
16:33:27	S_a_i_n_t	funman: ^
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19:02:59	kugel	we don't have software bass&treble, right?
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19:03:43	bertrik	yes we do
19:05:19	kugel	:?
19:05:57	kugel	couldn't it be done with the dsp rather easily?
19:06:52	funman	which dsp?
19:07:14	kugel	the software dsp
19:08:23	bertrik	apps/dsp.c already does bass and treble
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19:09:24	pixelma	it's used on targets which can't do it in hardware, e.g. the Iaudios
19:09:41	funman	or sansa
19:10:30	kugel	hm, the settings code is only enabled for AUDIOHW_HAVE_BASS/_TREBLE
19:11:56	bertrik	I remember seeing a hack with that, basically meaning that AUDIOHW_HAVE_BASS is always set
19:12:57	bertrik	see firmware/export/audiohw.h line 237
19:13:47	kugel	strange
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19:20:15	Lear	Neat, just managed to speed up Cygwin on 64-bit systems quite noticeably (process creation only, but it affects Rockbox builds a bit). :)
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19:36:53	funman	Lear: how?
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19:38:18	Lear	funman: Move some initialization, so that a thread isn't created during init of the cygwin1.dll
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19:40:20	Horscht	hello
19:40:21	funman	is it worth sharing with other cygwin users?
19:40:39	kugel	bertrik: thanks for the hint
19:41:43	Lear	funman: Already sent a mail to the cygwin mailing list (another guy had found a change that slowed things down, and I basically continued that work).
19:42:16	kugel	why does it only improve? 64-bit
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19:42:52	Lear	kugel: Don't as me, ask Microsoft. :)
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20:34:44	preglow	has anyone looked into newer gcc versions for coldfire lately?
20:37:29	pixelma	n1s I believe and someone else (Lear?)
20:38:06	Lear	I haven't done it lately...
20:39:04	preglow	getting tired of our outdated gcc :>
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20:39:28	funman	it would make sense to use the same version on all archs
20:39:37	kugel	preglow: IIRC n1s has recently tried and it was quite promosing
20:39:44	preglow	kugel: good to hear
20:39:58	preglow	according to the change logs, gcc _should_ have several coldfire improvements over our version
20:40:04	kugel	some asm failed to compile but I think that's fixed in svn
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20:44:38	kugel	preglow: OTOH gcc tends to have a lot of undocumented regressions too :)
20:45:16	preglow	hmm, 4.3 has better scheduling for cfv2, which we use
20:45:28	preglow	kugel: sure, if it has serious regressions it's not too good
20:45:46	preglow	but most of the time we can work around them, just like we had to massage the code when we first adapted it for 3.4
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20:52:32	funman	how's gigabeat F/X battery performance compared to OF ?
20:52:37	funman	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GigabeatRuntime doesn't mention OF
20:55:21	scorche	GSoC mentors: please see committers list
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20:56:24	toffe82	they say 16 hours on the service manual
20:57:01	toffe82	Approx. 16 hours** (Built-in battery)
20:57:02	toffe82	Assuming 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz WMA tracks, in normal temperature
20:57:04	toffe82	(25°C), backlight unlit, volume adjusted to center
20:57:48	funman	so rockbox performs identical or quite better in some cases
20:59:11	gevaerts	Definitely. I've seen more than 20 hours on two different ones
20:59:12	toffe82	better I had more than 17 hours on one gigabeat if I remember, with an old battery
20:59:32	gevaerts	Both second hand, so the battery might not be original
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21:00:32	gevaerts	Actually, one of those was about 24 hours
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21:05:24	funman	the wiki says 22hours+ for an original battery
21:05:47	funman	i'm trying some things on AMSv1 to enhance battery life
21:06:06	funman	set_cpu_frequency() works in a similar way on AMSv1 & gigabeat F/X
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21:23:55	kugel	funman: the stock battery isn't even much stronger than the fuze's one, there must be a culprit
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21:26:36	toffe82	funman: 22 hours is not for the original battery it is for the bigger one
21:27:28	kugel	toffe82: the last entry for the F40 says 22.5h for the stock battery
21:28:57	*	likemindead just bought a Gigabeat (60GB)! :-)
21:29:06	toffe82	somebody else has to confirm it , it is a big difference with the old version of rockbox
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21:30:27	toffe82	funman: he say infinit repeat of an album, if the album fits in memory, it can explain, no disk access so better battery life
21:31:44	toffe82	kugel: it was for you too
21:32:55	funman	fuze can't get that much runtime, even without disk access
21:33:36	kugel	does the microsd have an influence?
21:35:53	funman	probably but much less than physical rotating disk
21:36:37	kugel	does sd powerdown work?
21:40:17	funman	it should
21:41:52	funman	hm we don't set bit 9 of MCI_CLOCK (PwrSave), I don't remember if we tested this already
21:48:37	funman	i can't find mention of it in git log, definitely worth trying
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22:05:46	funman	preglow: still in apps/recorder/ it seems
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22:07:34	webguest82	noob question: my toddler got a hold of my 30GB ipod video with rockbox, and now prev/next track buttons are rw/ff. How do I change it back? Couldn't find that setting anywhere.
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22:09:28	preglow	funman: yeah, just noticed that my audio plugins don't compile any more
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22:15:21	webguest82	To clarify, I used to be able to click the next track button and it would skip to the next track, now it just fast forwards a split second. That's not default behavior is it?
22:16:33	webguest88	Hi. anyone know roughly how long mformat should take on a 80gb ipod? Mine's been going all night and I still haven't got the command prompt back
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22:17:01	gevaerts	webguest88: that seems very lon
22:17:02	gevaerts	g
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22:17:25	bluebrother	webguest82: sounds like Skip Length setting has been changed. Default is "Skip Track"
22:17:28	Torne	webguest88: it should take maybe thirty seconds
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22:17:35	Torne	webguest88: maybe a couple of minutes if your computer really sucks?
22:17:44	bluebrother	webguest82: (that's in the Playback Settings)
22:18:14	Torne	webguest88: what command line did you use?
22:19:02	webguest88	gevaerts, Torne: hmm, mkdosfs took a long time too, but when I woke up it was finished
22:19:14	Torne	webguest88: neither should take more than a few minutes
22:19:20	Torne	i would expect less than a minute
22:19:59	webguest88	Torne: "mformat -v RBiPod -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F i:" I wonder if the the number of tracks is right for an 80gb drive. I just took that of the wiki
22:20:37	webguest88	s/took that of/took that off/
22:21:30	Torne	webguest88: right, that should only take a minute or two, I am guessing you have a drive problem
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22:22:53	webguest88	Torne: anything I can do to know for sure? as far as I can tell it works fine with the native os, though I've owned it for only a couple of days and have done nothing but surf the menus playsome games and try to install rockbox:)
22:23:10	Torne	webguest88: if it works fine with the apple OS why are you formatting it?
22:23:16	gevaerts	pamaury: did you do anything about your idea to support having the sim run from a disk image?
22:23:24	Torne	you should only need to be doing this to recover an ipod that doesn't boot
22:23:38	Torne	it's best to avoid trying to format it with anything other than itunes unless you absolutely have to
22:24:17	webguest88	Torne: I only got it when I heard about Rockbox. Tha t's what I want to try to do to it. More music formats, no drm, longer battery
22:24:42	Torne	You dont need to do anything to the ipod before installing rockbox, if it already boots fine
22:24:46	Torne	just install rockbox, and that's it
22:24:58	gevaerts	webguest88: maybe have a look at the diagnostics. There's a way to get to them...
22:25:04	Torne	though now if you've partially reformatted it obviously it's not going to work any more ;)
22:25:07	webguest88	it was hfs+ when I got it, so I had to format it and I don't have a mac or windows machine
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22:25:17	Torne	ah, right
22:25:27	Torne	well, the easiest and most reliable thing to do is to borrow the use of a windows machine.
22:25:30	Torne	unfortunately.
22:25:34	Torne	:)
22:25:45	gevaerts	And then find a fat32 formatting tool
22:25:55	Torne	well, then install itunes :)
22:26:09	*	Torne shrugs
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22:26:15	gevaerts	True. It would be someone else's windows machine anyway :)
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22:27:17	Torne	anyway, it really shouldn't take taht long to format it
22:27:31	Torne	formatting only requires that it writes about a hundred meg or so :)
22:27:38	webguest88	gevaerts: a fat32 formatting tool? wouldn't i just use dos mode FORMAT or what ever it's called
22:27:49	gevaerts	webguest88: IIRC that's limited to 32GB
22:27:56	webguest88	oh
22:28:10	Torne	indeed it is; windows refuses to format disks larger than 32GB with FAT
22:28:14	gevaerts	Although that might only be a limitation of the GUI tool. I'm not sure
22:28:24	gevaerts	There are tools around though
22:28:24	Torne	gevaerts: no, cli too
22:28:38	webguest88	So in other words, I'm done with this project until I can get me to a windows machine?
22:29:00	Torne	webguest88: not necessarily, the manual formatting isntructions should work
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22:29:12	Torne	the fact that it's not workign for you probably means your disk is broken, or some other hilarious problem :)
22:29:17	gevaerts	webguest88: try the diagnostics mode, and see if it says anything bad about the disk
22:29:39	gevaerts	google probably knows the button combination to get into that
22:29:39	webguest88	Torne: Can you see anything wrong with the command I used?
22:29:41	Torne	yah. reboot the player with menu+select then as soon as it resets switch to holding rewind+select
22:29:56	Torne	then hit manual -> io -> disk -? smart info
22:30:04	Torne	or something similar to that, i forget the exact menu options
22:30:32	tmzt	okay, rockbox has smart for spinning disks?
22:30:49	Torne	no, the ipod diagnostic rom does
22:31:09	Torne	adding it to rockbox is on my todo list. somewhere in the middle. :)
22:31:42	webguest88	hmm, can't seem to ctrl+c this errant mformat command
22:32:02	gevaerts	unplug the thing. That should help
22:32:13	Torne	have you looked in your dmesg, btw?
22:32:17	Torne	to see if you are getting disk errors?
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22:33:14	webguest88	gevaerts: do you really mean to just unplug it?
22:33:20	pamaury	gevaerts: yes I did but did not finished, it should be easy though
22:33:26	pamaury	you need such a thing ?
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22:33:59	gevaerts	pamaury: I wouldn't mind having a go at this mkdosfs vs mformat issue on 80GB ipods
22:34:05	webguest88	Torne: no :(, will have a look at the logs
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22:34:15	gevaerts	Being able to run the fat driver in gdb would be nice then
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22:34:26	pamaury	gevaerts: give me a minute to see the state of my patch :)
22:34:42	gevaerts	pamaury: I'm not planning on doing that today :)
22:34:48	gevaerts	webguest88: why not? It's not as if it has critical data on it
22:35:02	pamaury	gevaerts: Anyway, I want to have a look at it now :)
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22:37:23	pamaury	iirc, the code was theorically working but I had difficulties producing a disk image, because I need a MBR + the fast fs, so mkfs is not sufficient, you need fdisk to, it's a mess :D
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22:38:24	gevaerts	Is it that hard? Just use your USB code too, and you can handle it as a real disk :)
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22:39:16	pamaury	true but I haven't touch my usb code in a while and it's a good thing to be able to test it directly. Do you imagine debugging the usb code+fat code at the same time ;)
22:39:55	gevaerts	maybe :)
22:44:32	webguest88	Yes, logs are good "VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde1", but I put "drive i: file="/dev/sde2"" in /etc/mtools.conf
22:44:51	preglow	_jhMikeS_: around?
22:46:14	preglow	_jhMikeS_: if you read this later: are there any new surprises hanging about when doing full duplex audio?
22:46:21	preglow	_jhMikeS_: trying to make my old flanger.c plug work again :�
22:46:29	webguest88	Can't get into diagnostic mode either, but now I have to go to work :(
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22:51:24	pamaury	grr, another uisimulator change that broke my patch
22:51:55	xchrisx	Hi, trying to build rbutil on FreeBSD 8, getting "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator and ditto for line 12, can anyone advise?
22:52:32	gevaerts	xchrisx: is that with GNU make?
22:53:40	xchrisx	it's just make
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22:54:32	gevaerts	IIRC that's not GNU make on freebsd. That might be the problem
22:54:34	gevaerts	Try gmake
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23:03:14	pamaury	kugel: ping
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23:04:58	kugel	pamaury: pong
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23:07:32	pamaury	The 2nd of august, you committed a changed to debug.h:
23:07:44	pamaury	-#define LDEBUGF(...) ldebugf(__FILE__, __LINE__, __VA_ARGS__)
23:07:44	pamaury	+#define LDEBUGF(...) ldebugf(__FILE__, __LINE__, __VA_ARGS__) && defined(DEBUG)
23:07:48	pamaury	why ?
23:08:22	kugel	looks like a mistake
23:08:42	pamaury	yes
23:09:20	pamaury	Can I change this, then ?
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23:09:39	kugel	yea
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23:11:22	CIA-81	New commit by pamaury (r27967): Revert an accidentaly change to debug.h that prevent simulator+debug build
23:12:35	kugel	pamaury: simulator should really be a DEBUG build by default (it was like that ages ago)
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23:13:07	CIA-81	r27967 build result: All green
23:13:34	pamaury	it doesn't matter, it causes a compile error :D
23:19:43	pamaury	ah, back to the normal state: disk driver complaining about missing MBR :)
23:20:01	gevaerts	loopback devices should help there
23:20:07	*	pamaury always have to fight against kugel's changes to uisimulator
23:20:54	xchrisx	gavaerts: gmake works, but now missing lrelease, I'll have a play with that, thanks
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23:29:37	CIA-81	New commit by kugel (r27968): Ged rid of uisimulator/common/io.c for android builds. ...
23:31:41	CIA-81	r27968 build result: 1654 errors, 97417 warnings (kugel committed)
23:32:13	CIA-81	New commit by kugel (r27969): Android: Enable software tone controls
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23:34:14	CIA-81	r27969 build result: 1654 errors, 97417 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:37:00	kugel	hm, some latest changes seems to have broken compilaton again
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23:42:17	kugel	dir.h clearly includes dircache.h which defines DIR_CACHED :/
23:44:10	kugel	ah right, I forgot we have exceptions about "no typedefs!" :)
23:46:00	CIA-81	New commit by kugel (r27970): struct DIR -> DIR, should fix most if not all reds.
23:46:14	*	pamaury takes a hammer and mentally destroys the usb key which fucking doesn't work with my patch
23:46:41	*	pamaury rule 1: my code is not buggy, something else is
23:48:02	CIA-81	r27970 build result: 8 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:58:02	CIA-81	New commit by kugel (r27971): Fix database

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