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#rockbox log for 2010-09-01

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00:15:28*gevaerts doesn't understand why it takes so long for the disk to spin down
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00:21:22guestHello, I was installing Rockbox onto my Sansa e280 using the Rockbox Utility. After I had selected my audio player from the list and path as well, I clicked Ok and watch it download the Bootloader, which it did successfully according to the window that came up. It then moved on to something else, when "It encountered a problem and needed to close." Now my Sansa has blue wave-like lines scrolling across it and is not recognized by Windows. How can I either r
00:22:43gevaertsguest: your text got cut of at "How can I either r". irc has a limited line length
00:23:25gevaertsApart from that, if you hold the power button for a while (30 seconds or so should do it), the sansa should turn off.
00:24:34guestHow can I either return it to its original state or complete the rockbox installation?
00:24:41guestAnd okay, I have turned it off.
00:25:09gevaertsIf you turn it on again, what happens?
00:26:50guestSanDisk black/grey screen like normal comes up, then on the main menu Refresh Database comes up, and it has a progress bar underneath it that seems to be moving slowly
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00:28:33guestThe bar filled and now it seems to be functioning normally
00:28:35gevaertsok, it seems like the installation failed early then, and nothing actually got installed
00:28:52gevaertsThat's the good news, no tedious recovery needed :)
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00:29:43guestIs there any bad news that goes along with that?
00:29:56gevaertsWell, I have no idea why Rockbox Utility crashed
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00:30:16gevaertsWhich operating system are you using?
00:31:43gevaertsThat should work well. I haven't heard anything like this before...
00:32:44gevaertsMaybe some conflict with a specific driver, or specific software
00:32:59*gevaerts doesn't really have any idea here
00:33:59guestShould I try again and see what happens, or just go with the manual install?
00:34:43gevaertsmaybe try it one more time, yes
00:36:52guestEverything seems to be going smoothly now
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00:47:43guestOkay, it's installed and running. Thank you
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01:12:43Om3gaok, thx for the help.
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01:32:00CIA-81New commit by mc2739 (r27961): Sansa c200v2 is now unstable and no longer needs special consideration for sim builds
01:33:54CIA-81r27961 build result: All green
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01:51:15funmanBug2000: % wget % strings bootloader-clip.sansa|grep 'Boot ' Boot 2.0
01:51:47funmanthe bootloader is 2.0
01:52:30funmansaratoga: i got ~ 9 hours of runtime on clipv1
01:53:06funmanand no crashes when using cabbiev2
01:53:18funman16h40 runtime on fuzev1
01:53:43saratogafunman: how does that compare?
01:54:07funmanonly a bit more (used to be 8h on clipv1, 14h45 on fuzev1 according to SansaRuntime)
01:54:51saratogathats not bad
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01:55:18funmanrelevant diff:
01:56:15saratogawhats the issue with reclocking PCLK on boost?
01:56:52funmanno issue, i think it just needs to be implemented and benched (it might already be implemented)
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01:57:11funmannow we use fastbus so when unboosted, pclk = fclk
01:57:37saratogathat could stay if we did 32/32 and 128/64
01:58:44funmanah the problem would be we need to reclock all peripherals
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02:08:53CIA-81New commit by funman (r27962): FS #11587 : voice for SWCODEC and low memory ...
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03:02:14Davide-NYCAnybody interested in a WebOS device to port Rockbox to?
03:02:24Davide-NYCIf you do the port you keep the device.
03:03:00Davide-NYCIf I wanted to post this offer someplace more visible to devs where would I post it?
03:04:13krazykitthe -dev mailing list?
03:04:49Davide-NYCOf course.
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03:25:20JdGordon|Davide-NYC: you shuold be able to use alot of the android work as a base...
03:26:05Davide-NYCI do not have the knowledge o the time an I have two of these devices.
03:26:21Davide-NYCThe offer has been made on the -dev email list. :-)
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05:40:03Horschtgevaerts, if you read this: 1:20 minutes of buffering and wps load. No dircache or bootup.
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07:21:41CIA-81New commit by fredwbauer (r27963): font_table[].name wasn't filled
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08:02:38JdGordon|freddyb: should that change fix random theme load crashes?
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08:16:24Bug2000Why did funman have to visit when I was sleeping.
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08:18:48freddybI doubt it unless it was a low skin font memory issue.
08:19:33freddybfont_table[].name is just used to check for already loaded fonts, right?
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08:55:22JdGordon|freddyb: ah ok, nuts :)
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08:58:19freddybIs there a specific bug or FS?
08:59:23Zagornice webos offer
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09:02:21JdGordon|freddyb: no, and i havnt done any debugging.. my skins dont consistantly load but cabie does. i was hoping that would be the fix. havnt tried yet
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09:06:01freddybMy patch that loads glyphs in disk order adds 512 shorts to the stack. That's not causing grief when loading a complex skin is it?
09:06:19gevaertshm, that's a lot
09:06:56gevaertsWell, it depends really. *when* does it do that?
09:07:46gevaertsIf it's from early in the wps parsing, you're probably fine. If it's while parsing some deeply nested tags, I'd expect you might have problems
09:08:39JdGordon|assuming it is done in skin_font_load() then it is at the very end so no nesting
09:08:57gevaertsyes, the end is OK too :)
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09:13:39freddybI tried doubling it and i'm not getting any crashes...
09:14:43freddybIs it a certain target?
09:15:10gevaertsDoubling it might not do much. The problems (if any) would occur for people who use complex skins that now are near the stack limit
09:15:19gevaertsWe don't have any numbers on that though
09:15:31gevaertsThe best way is really to check from where it's called
09:16:01freddybI should have said 512 bytes before. (256x2)
09:17:08gevaertsIn which function is that?
09:17:55freddybglyph_cache_load in firmware/font.c
09:25:44gevaertsThat's from skin_font_load(), so yes, it should be safe
09:30:04freddybI'm not having any luck getting my iPod Video to crash... Sorry. Goodnight.
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09:32:36pixelmare. glyphs and stacks: (Lear said it would have something to do with stack overflow possibly)
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09:35:52pixelmaalthough that's just a WPS with the user font
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10:05:38*S_a_i_n_t thanks pixelma for adding: FS #11593 - %Vf/%Vb (viewport colours) not working in conditionals
10:06:12S_a_i_n_tI discovered this a week or so ago, and forgot about it...trying to do exactly what you were doing with the "warning" indicator for volume.
10:07:45pixelmaI find the other bugs more important though because you can already do this with putting the stuff into their own viewports
10:09:57S_a_i_n_tOh..sure, but..if something should should work ;)
10:10:14S_a_i_n_tOtherwise, there was no point strippint the tags from the fiewport def
10:10:23S_a_i_n_t*viewport, even.
10:10:38S_a_i_n_t*stripping, also...gah
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10:20:01JdGordS_a_i_n_t: did u get a chance to test that patch?
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10:20:59S_a_i_n_tJdGord: Yeah...I did. It seemed to work as expected, but, I kinda lost track of what the issue it was supposed to fix was.
10:21:40JdGordYou didn't notice any issues with it related to timing?
10:21:47S_a_i_n_tsublines seemed to "think twice" about changing on device, though.
10:22:19S_a_i_n_tthat's kinda hard to explain...sometimes there was pieces of the previous line left inplace until the new line scrolled over it :/
10:22:36S_a_i_n_tTiming seemed ok, though.
10:24:30S_a_i_n_twhen two lines alternated, sometimes there's chars left over from the previous line until the new line scrolls and "runs over" them.
10:25:32JdGordHow would I go about profiling the skin display code? It almost certainly could be sped up
10:26:23JdGordHmm. Ok that means the flag saying do a full clear isn't being set. Is this only some Kline's?
10:26:46Bug2000Using the multimedia buttons on the clip is fun XD
10:27:17pixelmabtw. I noticed that the cabbiev2 Clip port has viewports which don't cover the screen completely (there are smal gaps between them), these parts are not cleared if e.g. a splash was drawn there and goes away already. I wondered if changing the WPS would be the correct way to "fix" it, it feels more like a workaround... :\
10:27:41S_a_i_n_tJdGord I have a feeling that the issue I'm seeing occasionally with sublines leaving chars behind is another issue entirely, perhaps aggrivated by something recently...I had definitely seen it prior to thepatch, but, only *very* occasionally. nowhere near as often as I saw last night.
10:28:44S_a_i_n_tpixelma: That's very odd...I had that issue on some themes with the *old* parser...and the new parser seems to have fixed it.
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10:32:37pixelmaI think I remember that JdGord said these parts wouldn't be cleared with the new parser
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11:12:49webguest04gevaerts: hi, you suggested I use mformat instead of mkdosfs the other night on an ipod 5.5g 80gb. I was webguest412 that night. I didn't know what drive letter to give the mounted ipod so I tried "mformat -v RBiPod -n 2048 -F /dev/sde2", but it just returned a usage message. Any more suggestions? and is mformat really meant for such large filesystems? Thanks
11:13:44gevaertswebguest04: you can configure drive letters in /etc/mtools.conf
11:14:14gevaertswebguest04: has some more information on mformat (near the end)
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11:17:16webguest04gevaerts: sweet. yeah, I missed that bit at the end. Quit reading at the older method figuring the new method would do me just fine. I'll give this another go, thanks
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11:58:05webguest04gevaerts: mini woot. mformat is now running (didn't flip me a usage message), so now I wait. Probably take a long time....
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12:15:17S_a_i_n_tHehehe...gotta love inconsistent bugs.
12:16:01S_a_i_n_tI see pictureflow is plagued by aborts and undefined instructions on several targets, one reported target is Nano2G...whereas all mine are working fine ;)
12:24:38pixelmaI wonder if it has only to do with pictureflow itself or if a theme problem is involved too as the crashes are reported when going directly from pictureflow to the WPS
12:26:43pixelmafunman confirmed for the Fuze, maybe looking up the crash address helps
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12:27:44S_a_i_n_tit gets weirder...I now have to edit my post in the forums, and, negate the previous post here.
12:28:19S_a_i_n_tI tried to reproduce it on several builds, updated my builds, and couldn't reproduce, I can, every time :-S
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12:28:51S_a_i_n_thowever, I can get *into* pictureflow from the WPS fine, I just can't commence playback.
12:29:06S_a_i_n_tthe address reported is always different, also.
12:29:13UmrtvovaczHi, can i ask some questions about Rockbox?
12:29:21S_a_i_n_tOf course!
12:29:26S_a_i_n_tits the perfect place to ;)
12:29:35UmrtvovaczIs anyone here using Rockbox on Cowon D2+?
12:30:02S_a_i_n_tJust ask your question, the channel is logged...someone will see it.
12:30:32UmrtvovaczHow is Rockbox working with D2+? I read all the articles about it and i am still not sure whether the touchscreen is fully functional or not
12:30:49S_a_i_n_tIt is certainly usuable.
12:31:04Umrtvovaczalso i need to be able to play .flac format of music because i am a little adiophile
12:31:10Umrtvovaczadiophile :-D
12:31:12pixelmapeople report problems with the current build
12:31:16S_a_i_n_t.flac is supported.
12:31:25Umrtvovaczwhat are those problems?
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12:33:18JdGordonUmrtvovacz: the touchscreen more depends on the theme for how useable it is. If it is one done for the D2 it should work well
12:33:35JdGordonif you are stuck with the grid touh mode then it isnt so much fun
12:34:03pixelmathe touchscreen itself is supported, the UI is set to a 3x3 grid mode per default which lets you control everything but is quite different to what you are used to. You can set it to "absolute" mode, which means you can touch things directly but not all screens work with this yet
12:34:53UmrtvovaczThen what theme should i use? i want some simplistic, minimalistic and well-arranged one, with few colors and none pictures
12:35:10S_a_i_n_tcheck the themesite.
12:35:12Umrtvovaczalso one which should work in absolute mode
12:35:18UmrtvovaczI checked
12:35:19S_a_i_n_tBut, there are little options for the D2
12:35:55UmrtvovaczBut i am not sure how to tell which one is working in absolute mode and which is practical for use
12:36:04S_a_i_n_tYou can always create a theme to suit your needs.
12:36:05JdGordonalso you need to use a SD card with it (which might not be an issue)
12:36:17S_a_i_n_tIt isn't as daunting as it may seem at first, especially if you only want a simple one.
12:36:43pixelmare. the problems: and following, that's all I know
12:36:52UmrtvovaczYeah i've got 32gb SDHC card. it would be OK, right?
12:37:53UmrtvovaczAlso i read about destroying cards on D2 page, and it scared the hell out of me
12:38:34S_a_i_n_tBasically, if you don't want to take *any* risk at all...rockbox is not for you.
12:38:52S_a_i_n_tthere is always *some* risk something can go wrong, with any port.
12:38:56S_a_i_n_teven stable ones.
12:39:08UmrtvovaczI love taking some risk
12:39:20Umrtvovaczi just dont want it to be REALLY dangerous
12:40:30UmrtvovaczPlease could somebody recommend me some theme for my D2?
12:40:48UmrtvovaczIf any of you have some experience with them
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12:41:18S_a_i_n_tOnly those on the themesite, it's best to just install them and see for yourself.
12:41:41UmrtvovaczOkey, thanks.
12:42:11UmrtvovaczWhat is RG noCLip please?
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12:44:18UmrtvovaczAlso i hate the little silent pause in between songs on my original D2 firmaware. Is this on rockbox too or do songs play right after each other?
12:44:41S_a_i_n_tRB supports gapless playback, yes.
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12:45:30UmrtvovaczThanks god, thats what I need.
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12:45:45UmrtvovaczThank you for very usefull info
12:46:06Umrtvovaczalso, can you please point me to page how to create my own theme?
12:46:32S_a_i_n_tone second..
12:46:38UmrtvovaczThanks very much :-)
12:47:09S_a_i_n_tthe manual lists theme tags.
12:47:54S_a_i_n_talso, but, the manual is the best source of *current* info
12:48:13S_a_i_n_tinfo on the wiki may be out-of-date for theme syntax
12:49:32UmrtvovaczI read somwhere that i can dualbox both original D2 firmware and Rockbox at the same time. Is it possible? If yes, how can i do it? That would fit me best
12:50:18S_a_i_n_tyou can't run both firmwares at the same time, but, you can have the original firmware, and RB installed at the same time, yes.
12:50:49UmrtvovaczThats what i meant. Sorry english is not my native language.
12:51:16S_a_i_n_tAnd, the default installation allows dual-boot, I'm about 99% certain of this.
12:51:35S_a_i_n_tthe manual covers installation, and...pretty much everything else you might want to know ;)
12:51:53UmrtvovaczThanks very much :-)
12:52:25UmrtvovaczAlso, is it possible to use this theme but change background and font?
12:53:52S_a_i_n_tsure, you can change *everything8 you see in that theme (within reason)
12:54:06S_a_i_n_tum, *everything*, ratehr
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13:00:56UmrtvovaczWhat types of videofiles does Rockbox support? Can i play like 640x368 avi file with subtitules or do i need to converse them like with original firmware?
13:01:14S_a_i_n_tcheck the manual ;)
13:01:30S_a_i_n_tit explains everything about video playback.
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13:01:53S_a_i_n_tYou will however, need to scale the video to your screen size.
13:02:11Umrtvovaczaw :-(
13:02:14UmrtvovaczI hate it
13:02:31S_a_i_n_tWinFF will do this for you.
13:02:48UmrtvovaczI'll look it up. Thanks
13:05:07S_a_i_n_tUmrtvovacz: <−−MPEG playback
13:05:17UmrtvovaczWhat about basic Rockbox skin? It seems quite minimalistic, how well it works with absolute mode of touchpad?
13:06:14UmrtvovaczAbout plugins, which ones are most usefull?
13:06:15S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure as to whether or not the default skin (cabbieV2) supports absolute mode or not, sorry.
13:06:24UmrtvovaczNo prob.
13:06:48S_a_i_n_tDepends on what you class as "usefull" ;)
13:07:12JdGordon1it should work more or less fine...
13:07:28JdGordon1someone really needs to put some effort into a cabbie sbs with touch support
13:07:36S_a_i_n_t <−−D2 Plugins.
13:07:52*JdGordon1 prods S_a_i_n_t again for the popup image :)
13:08:08JdGordon1I'll even trade you a bug fix for it! :)
13:08:55UmrtvovaczThats a lot of plugins
13:09:05UmrtvovaczMost seem fun :-)
13:09:07JdGordon1not really... most are shit and not worth trying :D
13:09:29AlexPS_a_i_n_t: I think I'm going to close FS #11579
13:10:03AlexPFor a number of reasons: 1) It isn't worth confusing users for a personal preference change that has no real justification 2) It breaks consistency with all other targets
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13:11:20S_a_i_n_tthere's plenty more useless crap you could close before that! ;)
13:11:43AlexPSure, but you have to start somewhere :)
13:11:58AlexPI closed an arse load during devcon, but haven't got back to it since
13:12:07S_a_i_n_tthere needs to be a "melting pot" of patches not necessarily considered for committing, but which some people may find usefull.
13:12:16AlexPThere is a wiki page for that
13:12:22AlexPStarted during devcon :)
13:12:22S_a_i_n_tI realise however, that the tracker is not that place
13:12:30AlexPUsefulPatched or some such
13:12:33S_a_i_n_tthere is? linky?
13:12:35AlexPOnly one thing on it atm IIRC
13:12:42JdGordon1switching context/quickscreen could be easily done in a setting
13:12:51JdGordon1which isnt NOdO anym,ore :)
13:13:09S_a_i_n_tJdGordon1: But then you get the "ewwww, too many settings" naysayers.
13:13:17S_a_i_n_twhich for this, I'd probably agree with.
13:13:28JdGordon1S_a_i_n_t: bugger them :)
13:13:43AlexPS_a_i_n_t: I'd argue against an option to switch two functions - if you are going to start playing around then make it fully configurable
13:13:59gevaertsPlease don't have seventeen different configurable button settings!
13:14:18AlexPexactly - if buttons are going to get configurable then go the whole hog and do it properly
13:14:21JdGordon1only because you asked so nicely :)
13:14:22gevaertsOne general mechanism is much saner
13:14:41AlexPIt isn't a nodo, someone just has to come up with a good system, then implement it :)
13:14:55S_a_i_n_tI put the patch up after a conversation with... bertrik(?) where we both decided that the context menu made more sense on the button clearly labled "Menu".
13:15:14gevaertsI think it's a DoItRight though
13:15:23AlexPgevaerts: Exactly
13:15:44AlexPS_a_i_n_t: In that case you need general agreement to change it for all targets
13:15:50AlexPNot just one random one
13:16:00S_a_i_n_tbut, it only makes sense for that one.
13:16:28S_a_i_n_twell, *those* one(s)
13:16:42AlexPPlenty of other targets have buttons marked menu as well
13:16:51S_a_i_n_tbecause I'm not sure if any other target has the clearly labled "Menu" button.
13:16:57S_a_i_n_tah...well, ok.
13:17:01AlexPAlso, you know with all targets that the button that does select also does context menu
13:17:11AlexPIt is nicely consistent
13:17:18AlexPI can pick up any and know that
13:17:45S_a_i_n_tAnother aspect the patch has (which I like) is it stops you from messing up quickscreen settings when trying to do a "charge only" connection.
13:18:00AlexPThat is an argument for moving the charging button
13:18:12AlexPbut anyway, it is pointless left open
13:18:12S_a_i_n_tyeah...I tried that ;)
13:18:19S_a_i_n_tthat conversation went *very* badly.
13:18:32AlexPIt isn't going to go in anytime soon (if ever) and just clutters up the tracker
13:18:58S_a_i_n_tyeah...I see your point, you *don't* have to justify yourself.
13:19:00AlexPAnd it is such a trivial change that if it is decided any committer can do it in 30 seconds
13:19:02UmrtvovaczIs there some Donate button anywhere? Preferably Paypall.
13:19:10AlexPUmrtvovacz: Should be one on the front page
13:19:23AlexPOn every page in fact
13:19:24Umrtvovaczyeah just saw it sorry :-(
13:19:29S_a_i_n_ttowards the bottom
13:19:31Umrtvovaczits small :-D
13:19:39AlexPNo need to be sorry if you are abiout to click it :)
13:20:27S_a_i_n_tPerhaps he jst wanted to know what it looked like so he didn't click it accidentally ;)
13:20:34AlexPhehe :)
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13:22:17UmrtvovaczYeah exactly :-D
13:22:26UmrtvovaczI hope even small donates helps
13:23:30AlexPcertainly does, thanks :)
13:23:47UmrtvovaczRockbox is in Czech language too?
13:23:55Umrtvovaczthats surely a surprise
13:24:23Umrtvovaczi'll use english anway
13:24:43gevaertsActually, it looks like Czech is one of the better supported translations
13:24:48S_a_i_n_tI think the most surprising one (to me anyway) is Esperanto ;)
13:24:49Umrtvovaczbut you know i didnt expected to see any czech
13:25:12Umrtvovaczdoes anybody speak that in real?
13:25:18Umrtvovaczi mean esperanto
13:25:36Umrtvovaczczech is spoken by like 11m people but esperanto? :-D
13:26:50UmrtvovaczWhat about Voice Files? My experience is that every gadget that tries to speak to me sounds funny.
13:28:25S_a_i_n_tIt certainly sounds very mechanical, and computerised...but, understandable.
13:28:42UmrtvovaczThat would scare the hell out of me :-D
13:28:50UmrtvovaczDoes it reads E-books?
13:28:52pixelmait depends on how the voice file was created
13:29:04S_a_i_n_tIt is there primarily for vision impaired users as I understand it.
13:29:17S_a_i_n_tMore of a novelty for the sighted.
13:29:50UmrtvovaczIf it is capable of reading e-books then it could be hugely usefull, for i can't read e-books while driving, obviously.
13:30:22S_a_i_n_tNo, it can't.
13:30:30S_a_i_n_tThat would need in core TTS support.
13:30:47S_a_i_n_tthe voice files are pre-generated.
13:33:05UmrtvovaczThanks for all your help, I am gonna install Rockbox right now, I think i can find all other needed info by myself, otherwise i'll ask you again.
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14:15:16UmrtvovaczI have read about Theme Editor but can't find it. Could please somebody point me out?
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14:29:11UmrtvovaczRockbox sais:
14:29:11DBUGEnqueued KICK Umrtvovacz
14:29:11Umrtvovaczfile not found
14:29:23UmrtvovaczWhat did i did wrong please?
14:29:46Umrtvovaczto be exact Rockbox loader
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14:34:18n1sUmrtvovacz: did you install rockbox itself?
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14:35:04UmrtvovaczI think so
14:35:12UmrtvovaczI cant install "Full" tho
14:35:33n1sUmrtvovacz: do you have a .rockbox dir in the root of your device containing the rockbox files?
14:36:01UmrtvovaczI surely do
14:36:41UmrtvovaczMaybe i can not use "Full" beacuse D2+ is not stable?
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14:36:57n1sah d2, dunno if that has any special quirks
14:38:01n1sfrom the wiki "If an SD card is inserted at power on, Rockbox will boot from that card and use it as the primary drive for storing settings, etc."
14:38:13n1sso install to the sd card if you use it
14:38:25Umrtvovaczthats great help, thanks
14:38:30Umrtvovacznow one more question
14:38:38Umrtvovaczhow do i install rockbox on a card?
14:38:50n1sjust download and unzip to the card
14:39:00n1sthe utility can probably not do this
14:40:55ack`Umrtvovacz: to boot on rockbox with the D2 don't forget to put the device on Hold immediately after powering on
14:41:07UmrtvovaczI did
14:41:18UmrtvovaczI just have to put it on card now, thanks you all
14:41:38ack`booting using the internal memory works on D2, but I'm not sure about the D2+
14:41:56UmrtvovaczDoesnt seems so
14:42:16ack`anyway, using the internal memory is useless since you cannot store settings
14:42:41Umrtvovaczoh :-D
14:42:53Umrtvovaczi just guessed how to save it
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14:43:11n1sthe wiki says that it boots from internal memory if there's no sd card inserted when booting
14:43:29Umrtvovaczi do have card
14:44:54Umrtvovaczso i just put the .rockbox on an SD card?
14:45:22UmrtvovaczNice. Thanks
14:45:25ack`and don't forget to flash the patched firmware
14:45:46UmrtvovaczI did already. Thanks.
14:46:05Umrtvovaczcan i have another q?
14:46:36UmrtvovaczWhere can i get Theme Editor?
14:46:50Umrtvovaczi would love to make my own, simple one
14:47:47AlexPI don't think there are any builds (but I might be wrong), you'll need to compile it
14:48:46ack`Umrtvovacz: what OS are you using?
14:49:10ack`you can get builds (Windows only) here:
14:49:25UmrtvovaczI am using WIndows 7 Pro
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15:36:35AlexPah cool
15:36:40AlexPI didn't know they existed
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15:59:44funmanthe problem with pictureflow is the plugin returning PLUGIN_GOTO_WPS
16:00:10funman <- crashes immediately
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16:10:44funmanhm -2 == GO_TO_PREVIOUS
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16:17:06funmansaratoga: do you remember if we made battery bench on AMSv1 with boosting completely disabled?
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16:18:08funmanAll: ok for marking the clipv1 stable?
16:18:09IuDeXhi all
16:18:30IuDeXI have one question. Rockbox works on e200v3?
16:18:41IuDeXIn informations I have v03.
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16:19:46funmanIuDeX: e200 with firmware v03.x is e200v2, and yes it works
16:19:59IuDeXfunman: ok, thanks.
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16:20:05funmanfirmware v01.x is e200v1, firmware v03.x is e200v2. There is no firmware v02.x for e200
16:20:19funmancheck the manual for e200v2 it is explained
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16:33:19S_a_i_n_t+nman; Pictureflow is expected to be fixed now?
16:33:27S_a_i_n_tfunman: ^
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17:23:44funmanS_a_i_n_t: yes, why do you still have problems?
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19:02:59kugelwe don't have software bass&treble, right?
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19:03:43bertrikyes we do
19:05:57kugelcouldn't it be done with the dsp rather easily?
19:06:52funmanwhich dsp?
19:07:14kugelthe software dsp
19:08:23bertrikapps/dsp.c already does bass and treble
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19:09:24pixelmait's used on targets which can't do it in hardware, e.g. the Iaudios
19:09:41funmanor sansa
19:10:30kugelhm, the settings code is only enabled for AUDIOHW_HAVE_BASS/_TREBLE
19:11:56bertrikI remember seeing a hack with that, basically meaning that AUDIOHW_HAVE_BASS is always set
19:12:57bertriksee firmware/export/audiohw.h line 237
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19:20:15LearNeat, just managed to speed up Cygwin on 64-bit systems quite noticeably (process creation only, but it affects Rockbox builds a bit). :)
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19:36:53funmanLear: how?
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19:38:18Learfunman: Move some initialization, so that a thread isn't created during init of the cygwin1.dll
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19:40:21funmanis it worth sharing with other cygwin users?
19:40:39kugelbertrik: thanks for the hint
19:41:43Learfunman: Already sent a mail to the cygwin mailing list (another guy had found a change that slowed things down, and I basically continued that work).
19:42:16kugelwhy does it only improve? 64-bit
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19:42:52Learkugel: Don't as me, ask Microsoft. :)
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20:34:44preglowhas anyone looked into newer gcc versions for coldfire lately?
20:37:29pixelman1s I believe and someone else (Lear?)
20:38:06LearI haven't done it lately...
20:39:04preglowgetting tired of our outdated gcc :>
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20:39:28funmanit would make sense to use the same version on all archs
20:39:37kugelpreglow: IIRC n1s has recently tried and it was quite promosing
20:39:44preglowkugel: good to hear
20:39:58preglowaccording to the change logs, gcc _should_ have several coldfire improvements over our version
20:40:04kugelsome asm failed to compile but I think that's fixed in svn
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20:44:38kugelpreglow: OTOH gcc tends to have a lot of undocumented regressions too :)
20:45:16preglowhmm, 4.3 has better scheduling for cfv2, which we use
20:45:28preglowkugel: sure, if it has serious regressions it's not too good
20:45:46preglowbut most of the time we can work around them, just like we had to massage the code when we first adapted it for 3.4
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20:52:32funmanhow's gigabeat F/X battery performance compared to OF ?
20:52:37funman doesn't mention OF
20:55:21scorcheGSoC mentors: please see committers list
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20:56:24toffe82they say 16 hours on the service manual
20:57:01toffe82Approx. 16 hours** (Built-in battery)
20:57:02toffe82Assuming 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz WMA tracks, in normal temperature
20:57:04toffe82(25°C), backlight unlit, volume adjusted to center
20:57:48funmanso rockbox performs identical or quite better in some cases
20:59:11gevaertsDefinitely. I've seen more than 20 hours on two different ones
20:59:12toffe82better I had more than 17 hours on one gigabeat if I remember, with an old battery
20:59:32gevaertsBoth second hand, so the battery *might* not be original
21:00:32gevaertsActually, one of those was about 24 hours
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21:05:24funmanthe wiki says 22hours+ for an original battery
21:05:47funmani'm trying some things on AMSv1 to enhance battery life
21:06:06funmanset_cpu_frequency() works in a similar way on AMSv1 & gigabeat F/X
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21:23:55kugelfunman: the stock battery isn't even much stronger than the fuze's one, there must be a culprit
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21:26:36toffe82funman: 22 hours is not for the original battery it is for the bigger one
21:27:28kugeltoffe82: the last entry for the F40 says 22.5h for the stock battery
21:28:57*likemindead just bought a Gigabeat (60GB)! :-)
21:29:06toffe82somebody else has to confirm it , it is a big difference with the old version of rockbox
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21:30:27toffe82funman: he say infinit repeat of an album, if the album fits in memory, it can explain, no disk access so better battery life
21:31:44toffe82kugel: it was for you too
21:32:55funmanfuze can't get that much runtime, even without disk access
21:33:36kugeldoes the microsd have an influence?
21:35:53funmanprobably but much less than physical rotating disk
21:36:37kugeldoes sd powerdown work?
21:40:17funmanit should
21:41:52funmanhm we don't set bit 9 of MCI_CLOCK (PwrSave), I don't remember if we tested this already
21:48:37funmani can't find mention of it in git log, definitely worth trying
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22:03:11*preglow wonders what happened to the audio recording api
22:05:46funmanpreglow: still in apps/recorder/ it seems
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22:07:34webguest82noob question: my toddler got a hold of my 30GB ipod video with rockbox, and now prev/next track buttons are rw/ff. How do I change it back? Couldn't find that setting anywhere.
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22:09:28preglowfunman: yeah, just noticed that my audio plugins don't compile any more
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22:15:21webguest82To clarify, I used to be able to click the next track button and it would skip to the next track, now it just fast forwards a split second. That's not default behavior is it?
22:16:33webguest88Hi. anyone know roughly how long mformat should take on a 80gb ipod? Mine's been going all night and I still haven't got the command prompt back
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22:17:01gevaertswebguest88: that seems *very* lon
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22:17:25bluebrotherwebguest82: sounds like Skip Length setting has been changed. Default is "Skip Track"
22:17:28Tornewebguest88: it should take maybe thirty seconds
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22:17:35Tornewebguest88: maybe a couple of minutes if your computer really sucks?
22:17:44bluebrotherwebguest82: (that's in the Playback Settings)
22:18:14Tornewebguest88: what command line did you use?
22:19:02webguest88gevaerts, Torne: hmm, mkdosfs took a long time too, but when I woke up it was finished
22:19:14Tornewebguest88: neither should take more than a few minutes
22:19:20Tornei would expect less than a minute
22:19:59webguest88Torne: "mformat -v RBiPod -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F i:" I wonder if the the number of tracks is right for an 80gb drive. I just took that of the wiki
22:20:37webguest88s/took that of/took that off/
22:21:30Tornewebguest88: right, that should only take a minute or two, I am guessing you have a drive problem
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22:22:53webguest88Torne: anything I can do to know for sure? as far as I can tell it works fine with the native os, though I've owned it for only a couple of days and have done nothing but surf the menus playsome games and try to install rockbox:)
22:23:10Tornewebguest88: if it works fine with the apple OS why are you formatting it?
22:23:16gevaertspamaury: did you do anything about your idea to support having the sim run from a disk image?
22:23:24Torneyou should only need to be doing this to recover an ipod that doesn't boot
22:23:38Torneit's best to avoid trying to format it with anything other than itunes unless you absolutely have to
22:24:17webguest88Torne: I only got it when I heard about Rockbox. Tha t's what I want to try to do to it. More music formats, no drm, longer battery
22:24:42TorneYou dont need to do anything to the ipod before installing rockbox, if it already boots fine
22:24:46Tornejust install rockbox, and that's it
22:24:58gevaertswebguest88: maybe have a look at the diagnostics. There's a way to get to them...
22:25:04Tornethough now if you've partially reformatted it obviously it's not going to work any more ;)
22:25:07webguest88it was hfs+ when I got it, so I had to format it and I don't have a mac or windows machine
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22:25:17Torneah, right
22:25:27Tornewell, the easiest and most reliable thing to do is to borrow the use of a windows machine.
22:25:45gevaertsAnd then find a fat32 formatting tool
22:25:55Tornewell, then install itunes :)
22:26:09*Torne shrugs
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22:26:15gevaertsTrue. It would be someone else's windows machine anyway :)
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22:27:17Torneanyway, it really shouldn't take taht long to format it
22:27:31Torneformatting only requires that it writes about a hundred meg or so :)
22:27:38webguest88gevaerts: a fat32 formatting tool? wouldn't i just use dos mode FORMAT or what ever it's called
22:27:49gevaertswebguest88: IIRC that's limited to 32GB
22:28:10Torneindeed it is; windows refuses to format disks larger than 32GB with FAT
22:28:14gevaertsAlthough that might only be a limitation of the GUI tool. I'm not sure
22:28:24gevaertsThere are tools around though
22:28:24Tornegevaerts: no, cli too
22:28:38webguest88So in other words, I'm done with this project until I can get me to a windows machine?
22:29:00Tornewebguest88: not necessarily, the manual formatting isntructions should work
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22:29:12Tornethe fact that it's not workign for you *probably* means your disk is broken, or some other hilarious problem :)
22:29:17gevaertswebguest88: try the diagnostics mode, and see if it says anything bad about the disk
22:29:39gevaertsgoogle probably knows the button combination to get into that
22:29:39webguest88Torne: Can you see anything wrong with the command I used?
22:29:41Torneyah. reboot the player with menu+select then as soon as it resets switch to holding rewind+select
22:29:56Tornethen hit manual -> io -> disk -? smart info
22:30:04Torneor something similar to that, i forget the exact menu options
22:30:32tmztokay, rockbox has smart for spinning disks?
22:30:49Torneno, the ipod diagnostic rom does
22:31:09Torneadding it to rockbox is on my todo list. somewhere in the middle. :)
22:31:42webguest88hmm, can't seem to ctrl+c this errant mformat command
22:32:02gevaertsunplug the thing. That should help
22:32:13Tornehave you looked in your dmesg, btw?
22:32:17Torneto see if you are getting disk errors?
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22:33:14webguest88gevaerts: do you really mean to just unplug it?
22:33:20pamaurygevaerts: yes I did but did not finished, it should be easy though
22:33:26pamauryyou need such a thing ?
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22:33:59gevaertspamaury: I wouldn't mind having a go at this mkdosfs vs mformat issue on 80GB ipods
22:34:05webguest88Torne: no :(, will have a look at the logs
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22:34:15gevaertsBeing able to run the fat driver in gdb would be nice then
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22:34:26pamaurygevaerts: give me a minute to see the state of my patch :)
22:34:42gevaertspamaury: I'm not planning on doing that *today* :)
22:34:48gevaertswebguest88: why not? It's not as if it has critical data on it
22:35:02pamaurygevaerts: Anyway, I want to have a look at it *now* :)
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22:37:23pamauryiirc, the code was theorically working but I had difficulties producing a disk image, because I need a MBR + the fast fs, so mkfs is not sufficient, you need fdisk to, it's a mess :D
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22:38:24gevaertsIs it that hard? Just use your USB code too, and you can handle it as a real disk :)
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22:39:16pamaurytrue but I haven't touch my usb code in a while and it's a good thing to be able to test it directly. Do you imagine debugging the usb code+fat code at the same time ;)
22:39:55gevaertsmaybe :)
22:44:32webguest88Yes, logs are good "VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde1", but I put "drive i: file="/dev/sde2"" in /etc/mtools.conf
22:44:51preglow_jhMikeS_: around?
22:46:14preglow_jhMikeS_: if you read this later: are there any new surprises hanging about when doing full duplex audio?
22:46:21preglow_jhMikeS_: trying to make my old flanger.c plug work again :
22:46:29webguest88Can't get into diagnostic mode either, but now I have to go to work :(
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22:51:24pamaurygrr, another uisimulator change that broke my patch
22:51:55xchrisxHi, trying to build rbutil on FreeBSD 8, getting "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator and ditto for line 12, can anyone advise?
22:52:32gevaertsxchrisx: is that with GNU make?
22:53:40xchrisxit's just make
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22:54:32gevaertsIIRC that's not GNU make on freebsd. That might be the problem
22:54:34gevaertsTry gmake
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22:59:30xchrisxlooking better but now I get ../../tools/ not found, trying to build dualboot.c
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23:03:14pamaurykugel: ping
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23:04:58kugelpamaury: pong
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23:07:32pamauryThe 2nd of august, you committed a changed to debug.h:
23:07:44pamaury-#define LDEBUGF(...) ldebugf(__FILE__, __LINE__, __VA_ARGS__)
23:07:44pamaury+#define LDEBUGF(...) ldebugf(__FILE__, __LINE__, __VA_ARGS__) && defined(DEBUG)
23:07:48pamaurywhy ?
23:08:22kugellooks like a mistake
23:09:20pamauryCan I change this, then ?
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23:11:22CIA-81New commit by pamaury (r27967): Revert an accidentaly change to debug.h that prevent simulator+debug build
23:12:35kugelpamaury: simulator should really be a DEBUG build by default (it was like that ages ago)
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23:13:07CIA-81r27967 build result: All green
23:13:34pamauryit doesn't matter, it causes a compile error :D
23:19:43pamauryah, back to the normal state: disk driver complaining about missing MBR :)
23:20:01gevaertsloopback devices should help there
23:20:07*pamaury always have to fight against kugel's changes to uisimulator
23:20:54xchrisxgavaerts: gmake works, but now missing lrelease, I'll have a play with that, thanks
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23:29:37CIA-81New commit by kugel (r27968): Ged rid of uisimulator/common/io.c for android builds. ...
23:31:41CIA-81r27968 build result: 1654 errors, 97417 warnings (kugel committed)
23:32:13CIA-81New commit by kugel (r27969): Android: Enable software tone controls
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23:34:14CIA-81r27969 build result: 1654 errors, 97417 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:37:00kugelhm, some latest changes seems to have broken compilaton again
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23:42:17kugeldir.h clearly includes dircache.h which defines DIR_CACHED :/
23:44:10kugelah right, I forgot we have exceptions about "no typedefs!" :)
23:46:00CIA-81New commit by kugel (r27970): struct DIR -> DIR, should fix most if not all reds.
23:46:14*pamaury takes a hammer and mentally destroys the usb key which fucking doesn't work with my patch
23:46:41*pamaury rule 1: my code is not buggy, something else is
23:48:02CIA-81r27970 build result: 8 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:58:02CIA-81New commit by kugel (r27971): Fix database

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