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| 00:06:08 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27972): Redo previous commit to not break android builds. |
| 00:06:25 | amiconn | [13:17:00] <AlexP> Also, you know with all targets that the button that does select also does context menu <== Not entirely true |
| 00:08:02 | CIA-81 | r27972 build result: All green |
| 00:09:19 | AlexP | amiconn: Vast majority then? |
| 00:09:45 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27973): Android: Don't compile sim_tasks.c |
| 00:10:10 | amiconn | AlexP: Yes, certaily. |
| 00:10:37 | amiconn | Btw, one (the only?) exception is the Ondio, which has no dedicated select |
| 00:10:45 | AlexP | heh, OK :) |
| 00:11:36 | CIA-81 | r27973 build result: All green |
| 00:11:37 | amiconn | Actually it's inconsistent |
| 00:12:25 | amiconn | In the browser the context menu it's true, but in the wps the context menu is on a different button due to severe lack of buttons |
| 00:12:49 | amiconn | s/the context menu// |
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| 00:25:46 | gevaerts | pamaury: did you see FS #11332 ? It might be helpful |
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| 00:31:51 | pamaury | it's partly othorgonal |
| 00:32:00 | pamaury | I have a problem: I need lseek to seek the storage file |
| 00:32:10 | pamaury | but lseek is defined by rockbox for files.... |
| 00:32:28 | gevaerts | ah, I see... |
| 00:32:36 | gevaerts | A big macro? |
| 00:32:55 | pamaury | I don't understand |
| 00:33:29 | gevaerts | Have the rockbox header that has the prototype for lseek say #define lseek rockbox_lseek |
| 00:33:52 | pamaury | yes, you're right |
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| 00:36:18 | pamaury | Hum, there is a problem with strlcpy in the sim, I have 3 implicit defs each time I compile dir_uncached.c, file.c, filefuncs.c |
| 00:36:25 | pamaury | someone wants to have a look ? :D |
| 00:43:06 | pixelma | select and context menu on files or menu entries is the on the same button on the Ondio, a screen's context menu (e.g. WPS or radio) is a different story as you don't have a "select" anyway. The Ondio's keymapping is still quite intuitive |
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| 00:54:51 | pamaury | hum, either my code is buggy in a highly subtle way, either the fat code chokes on my FAT16 usb key fs |
| 00:55:51 | pamaury | could there be a bug in the FAT16 code ? |
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| 00:56:53 | pixelma | is there something somewhere I could look up which revision the releases are based of? |
| 00:57:21 | pixelma | (mostly interested in 3.5 and 3.4 currently) |
| 00:57:44 | gevaerts | pixelma: you want the branch point? |
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| 01:00:42 | gevaerts | pixelma: 3.5 was branched at r24344, 3.4 at r22748 |
| 01:02:28 | gevaerts | 3.5 was tagged at r24501, 3.4 at r22818 |
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| 01:11:44 | funm4n | gevaerts: build.rockbox.org still shows 2 different ipod video builds |
| 01:11:53 | kugel | :O powermgmt on android :) |
| 01:12:08 | gevaerts | funm4n: yes, I know |
| 01:12:20 | gevaerts | The released rockbox utility expects both to be there |
| 01:12:31 | gevaerts | Or maybe the released config file |
| 01:12:35 | gevaerts | The builds are identical |
| 01:12:42 | funm4n | i commented HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPUFREQ on clipv1 and got 6h30 of runtime (instead of 8 hours last time i had tried) |
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| 01:13:07 | funm4n | gevaerts: that means we need to wait the next version of rbutil to change the location? |
| 01:13:16 | pamaury | kugel: did you fiddle with file.h recently ? It seems to me that the these lines are redundant, the test is always true: |
| 01:13:21 | pamaury | #if !defined(CODEC) && !defined(PLUGIN) |
| 01:13:24 | gevaerts | "change the location"? |
| 01:13:28 | pamaury | #define open(x, y, ...) file_open(x,y) |
| 01:14:17 | funm4n | gevaerts: "there" referred to a location, didn't it? |
| 01:14:34 | kugel | pamaury: it's only true for the core isn't it? |
| 01:14:59 | gevaerts | funm4n: "expects both to exist" |
| 01:15:19 | funm4n | we can change next version of rbutil |
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| 01:16:24 | funm4n | ah bluebrother already did that |
| 01:16:54 | gevaerts | There should be a new rbutil release very soon, so waiting for that seems nice |
| 01:17:10 | funm4n | what about remove the 64mb build and make a symlink on the server? |
| 01:17:26 | kugel | pamaury: that's so that you can call open via ci-> and rb-> using the standard signature |
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| 01:18:00 | pamaury | no I mean, the whole file.h code is already in a #if !defined(PLUGIN) && !defined(CODEC), so doing a nested #if !defined(PLUGIN) && !defined(CODEC) doesn't change anything |
| 01:20:19 | gevaerts | funm4n: that would work, but is it really worth the effort? |
| 01:20:53 | funm4n | yes |
| 01:21:15 | * | gevaerts doesn't see the point |
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| 01:21:53 | funm4n | there's only one build, why propose 2 ? |
| 01:22:47 | gevaerts | because it will get resolved without doing anything in a week or so anyway |
| 01:22:56 | funm4n | also, why *build* 2 times the same code? |
| 01:23:31 | gevaerts | Same reason |
| 01:23:35 | funm4n | yeah that works too |
| 01:24:29 | gevaerts | Without a planned rbutil release I'd agree |
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| 01:28:25 | pamaury | gevaerts: I have nearly working code, I'll post it on FS tomorrow if I have time |
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| 01:28:31 | gevaerts | nice! |
| 01:29:15 | pamaury | It still panics on the fat but perhaps I should run fsck before concluding anything |
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| 01:33:01 | pixelma | gevaerts: thanks for the revision numbers by the way. Where did you look them up? |
| 01:36:18 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27974): Android: don't compile powermgmt-sim.c ... |
| 01:36:22 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27975): Android: Fix two warnings |
| 01:36:58 | kugel | finally no randomized battery bar anymore :/ |
| 01:38:11 | kugel | unfortunately cabbiev2 doesn't show the battery on sizes! |
| 01:38:39 | CIA-81 | r27974 build result: 22 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed) |
| 01:40:44 | CIA-81 | r27975 build result: 22 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed) |
| 01:41:35 | kugel | ah, I get the trick |
| 01:42:39 | kugel | hm, no I don't |
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| 01:49:30 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27976): Fix reds. The battery_capacity setting is used even for fixed-battery targets. |
| 01:51:41 | CIA-81 | r27976 build result: All green |
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| 02:05:43 | kugel | gevaerts: ping |
| 02:06:29 | WalkGood | i have a strange case on abi member, has anyone ever heard of the "blue ring of death" on a v1 clip? |
| 02:06:57 | WalkGood | i've only ever seen that on the e200 series |
| 02:07:49 | WalkGood | also the lock/hold, center button trick to connect into msc mode doesn't work for him |
| 02:07:55 | tmzt | death? |
| 02:09:18 | WalkGood | well with the e200 you could bring it back |
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| 02:14:29 | Bice | Anyone available who can help me with replaygain? I understand that, even if LAME is writing replaygain tags, RockBox can't read them. |
| 02:14:31 | Bice | So I downloaded MP3Gain and ran it on some of my MP3s, only to find that the tags it writes aren't read by RockBox either. How can I get replaygain into into my MP3s in a format that RockBox can read? |
| 02:15:22 | Bice | I'm using Windows BTW, so Linux scripts and the like won't help me. |
| 02:16:02 | JdGordon| | have you enabled replay gain in the rockbox settings? |
| 02:16:07 | Bice | Yes |
| 02:17:02 | Bice | From what I've been reading, MP3Gain writes the data to APEv2 tags, and RockBox is looking for it in ID3 tags...is that right? Is there any way I can copy the info to ID3 tags? |
| 02:19:39 | kugel | yay, killed libuisimulator! |
| 02:19:46 | Bice | I know RockBox is looking for ReplayGain info, because when I look at the file info of FLAC files that I encoded with FLAC Frontend, it shows the track and album replaygain values. But it doesn't show them for MP3s. |
| 02:24:42 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27977): Android: don't compile stubs.c and kill off libuisimulator entirely. ... |
| 02:24:45 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27978): Move comment |
| 02:26:42 | CIA-81 | r27977 build result: All green |
| 02:27:53 | Bice | In case anyone is thinking of replying the my replaygain question - I'm going to be afk for a while. I'll check back later. |
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| 02:28:21 | kugel | with android.make, I can finally have a go at make apk et all |
| 02:28:38 | CIA-81 | r27978 build result: All green |
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| 03:04:47 | Bice | So, anyone have any thoughts on how I can get MP3Gain's replaygain info from the APE tag to the ID3 tag? |
| 03:05:42 | Bice | I just downloaded the most recent verson of WinAmp (the one I was using was ancient and didn't show replaygain info at all) and confirmed that MP3Gain is definitely putting the info in APEv2 tags, but not the ID3v2 Track Gain and Album Gain tags. |
| 03:06:15 | Bice | Annoyingly, WinAmp will let me change every other ID3v2 tag EXCEPT track gain and album gain. So even if I wanted to do it manually, I can't. |
| 03:06:45 | Bice | Someone must know some way of getting replay gain into an MP3 file in a format that RockBox can use. Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? |
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| 03:24:42 | saratoga | Bice: lots of apps can write ID3v2 tags, I recommend foobar2000 |
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| 03:26:49 | Bice | Saratoga - thanks for the advice...I just finished installing foobar2000 and using it to write the replaygain tags, and it does exactly what I want. |
| 03:27:09 | Bice | I wish I had tried it before I installed MP3Gain - would have saved me a lot of headaches. |
| 03:30:31 | saratoga | it should be able to read the mp3gain tags and convert them to id3 as well as scan fresh tags fwiw |
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| 03:34:24 | literal | Bice: I wrote a script which runs mp3gain to calculate the values and then uses eyed3 to add the relevent ID3 replaygain tags |
| 03:34:32 | literal | if you're interested: http://gist.github.com/269090 |
| 03:34:55 | literal | though since you're using WinAmp and foobar2000 I suspect you're running Windows so it won't be of much use to you... |
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| 03:38:54 | kugel | hmm, I don't get make sometimes |
| 03:39:22 | kugel | I have $^ in my make command, but it always expands to the first item in the dependencies |
| 03:41:03 | kugel | err, I mean $< |
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| 03:47:10 | Bice | Yeah, I'm stuck with Windows. Foobar seems to be doing the trick. Fortunately I only did a handful of CDs with MP3Gain. |
| 03:47:44 | Bice | Now I just have to add replaygain to the 100 CDs I've already ripped and remember to do it for the 1600+ CDs that I haven't gotten to yet. Joy. |
| 03:49:22 | Bice | Thanks for the help folks. Goodnight. |
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| 03:52:00 | JdGordon| | :O |
| 03:56:56 | kugel | it passes the wrong file with $< (always the same) but the correct files are generated :\ |
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| 04:26:29 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r27979): battery_bench: make functions/struct/variables static ... |
| 04:28:21 | CIA-81 | r27979 build result: All green |
| 04:33:05 | JdGordon| | any ideas how to go about profiling the skin display code? |
| 04:33:21 | JdGordon| | can i run the unmodified sim through a program to get numbers? |
| 04:34:01 | saratoga | sprinkle LOGFs around the code that print the timer tick? |
| 04:34:59 | JdGordon| | I was hoping for less effort than that :) |
| 04:35:16 | JdGordon| | I really want function call counts and time spent in each func |
| 04:35:40 | saratoga | was going to suggest a test_skin plugin |
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| 04:54:49 | FlynDice | funman: (logs) re: AMSv1 MCI_CLOCK_POWERSAVE (bit 9). I had this working for reads at one point by disabling sd_enable(), writes would still fail with this bit set though. Never got far enough to be able to do a battery bench to see if it used less power. |
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| 05:27:07 | funman | FlynDice: perhaps we could set this bit only when we're not using the SD (if it proves to be useful at all) |
| 05:27:28 | funman | now i'm testing set_cpu_frequency() modified to change CGU_PROC and lower FCLK instead of using fastbus |
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| 05:40:05 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27980): Extend android.make so that it can generate a debug signed apk. ... |
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| 05:59:23 | funman | kugel: why is there a red delta for some models in r27976 ? |
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| 07:29:30 | S_a_i_n_t | mc2739: ping? |
| 07:29:59 | S_a_i_n_t | You converted the Fuze cabbieV2 .wps...yes? |
| 07:31:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I had the idea of using these themes as somewhat of a "teaching tool" and, I kinda wanted them to all have a similarity with oneanother. |
| 07:31:42 | S_a_i_n_t | I was looking in the forums, and I thought I had messed something up, but then I saw "%xd(E, %mm, -1)" and...that definitely wasn't me ;) |
| 07:33:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I *really* don't want to start another flamewar about it, but I personally find "%xd(E<blah>)" a lot more readable...especially if there is only one icon to be displayed. |
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| 07:35:29 | S_a_i_n_t | and, hold for example being "%xd(A, %mh)" is all well and good, but "%?mh<%xd(Aa|%xd(Ab>" I find again to be more readable...especially to one who is learning. |
| 07:35:53 | S_a_i_n_t | whatever way it goes...I think all the cabbies should be the same..approximately.' |
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| 07:42:39 | JdGordon| | wihtout starting a bitter argument again, I agree that the first is wrong but disagree with the second |
| 07:43:03 | JdGordon| | and full names should be used if you dont use %xd(Aa) type |
| 07:43:10 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah...the second..is debateable. |
| 07:43:45 | S_a_i_n_t | an experienced themer will see it straight away...a novice, probably not. |
| 07:44:07 | S_a_i_n_t | a totally agree that using that to display only one icon is quite wrong, though. |
| 07:44:12 | JdGordon| | just fyi, the %xd(label, tag) for is more efficient to render, i.e better battery life |
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| 07:44:42 | S_a_i_n_t | efficient to render != efficient to read, though...and thats my main concern. |
| 07:45:07 | JdGordon| | %?mh<%xd(E, 1)> is better than %xd(E, %mh, -1) for sure :) |
| 07:45:44 | S_a_i_n_t | %?mh<%xd(Aa|%xd(Ab> better still, for a novice. |
| 07:46:03 | S_a_i_n_t | novice coders is what I had in mind...hence the heavy commenting. |
| 07:46:21 | JdGordon| | %xd(E, 1) ======== %xd(Aa) |
| 07:46:31 | S_a_i_n_t | I kinda knew I should have done the whole lot...but I had that whole "Mum dying" thing ;) |
| 07:47:12 | JdGordon| | %xd(Aa) slowly becomes more difficult to work with after about 5 subimages though |
| 07:47:25 | * | JdGordon| not arguing |
| 07:48:29 | S_a_i_n_t | No, nor am I...I understand your argument, but I hope you understand that I'm trying to make it dead easy to see whats going on. and to me, a condition with X segments, matching a bitmap strip with X subimages is about as easy as it gets. |
| 07:48:49 | JdGordon| | and there is where we have a fundamental difference :) |
| 07:49:06 | JdGordon| | and you are wrong! :D |
| 07:49:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, but..lets *not* revisit that, shall we ;) |
| 07:49:16 | JdGordon| | indeed |
| 07:49:19 | S_a_i_n_t | and, you're wrong! |
| 07:49:21 | S_a_i_n_t | :P |
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| 07:50:01 | S_a_i_n_t | neener, neener, neener! |
| 07:52:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm confused as hell by http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25625.msg171202#msg171202 |
| 07:52:23 | S_a_i_n_t | (which, made me notice all this) |
| 07:52:44 | JdGordon| | i didnt understand the question when I read it |
| 07:52:50 | JdGordon| | so just skipped the skin text :p |
| 07:52:55 | S_a_i_n_t | There is a HUGE difference between his file and SVN, but, it has my commenting style so must have been done by mc2739 recently. |
| 07:53:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I know it wasn't me, (i thought it was initially), because it has the subimage style I don't like. |
| 07:54:25 | JdGordon| | this is where a proper skin reformatter/sizer would be very useful |
| 07:54:52 | JdGordon| | even if it each theme needs 3 versions (portraight, landscape, square) |
| 07:55:09 | S_a_i_n_t | icons almost certainly display incorrectly...and in totally different places to SVN...I'm about 99% sure those are changes the user made and is not aware of though. |
| 07:56:26 | S_a_i_n_t | His .wps cuts off at least 1px from the bottom of almost every icon...I hope he reads my post. |
| 07:57:42 | S_a_i_n_t | volume has 5px cut from it...very weird. I'm not sure how he sould look at it and say "yeah, that looks fine" |
| 07:57:42 | JdGordon| | I misread you before.. %xd(E, %mm, -1) isnt a true/false... so I disagree that that is worse than the conditional form |
| 07:58:08 | JdGordon| | the -1 does make it a bit tricky, but hardly worse than %?mm<|%xd(Ea)|%xd(Eb)|%xd(Ec)|%xd(Ed)> |
| 07:58:14 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Yeah, I misremembered the icon also...but kept quiet about it ;) |
| 07:58:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought it was true/false initially |
| 07:58:24 | JdGordon| | worse being typo/error/counting pron |
| 07:58:31 | JdGordon| | prone* :) |
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| 08:10:07 | S_a_i_n_t | OMG...super fail. |
| 08:10:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I mixed up 220X176 and 176x220 |
| 08:11:15 | JdGordon| | hahaha |
| 08:11:42 | * | S_a_i_n_t whistles a merry tune of failure. |
| 08:13:29 | S_a_i_n_t | now *that* is why his code way soo far from SVN. |
| 08:17:04 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't however, see the difference between his code and SVN..perhaps I'm blind. I'll have to diff the two. |
| 08:18:18 | JdGordon| | is his svn? |
| 08:18:25 | funman | a lot people complain about the clip keymap change: pitchscreen on down button |
| 08:20:20 | JdGordon| | well, you can't please everyone |
| 08:20:40 | JdGordon| | what did it used to be? |
| 08:21:06 | funman | down was nothing and pitchscreen was on a weird combo: select+right or something |
| 08:21:37 | S_a_i_n_t | a combo seems better to me, then you can't accidentally enter pitchscreen. |
| 08:21:56 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps down+select as opposed to just down? |
| 08:22:06 | funman | we might as well remove any way to go to pitchscreen |
| 08:22:16 | funman | combo are not usable on clip |
| 08:23:04 | S_a_i_n_t | why is that exactly? <genuinely curious> |
| 08:23:22 | funman | the keypad is too small |
| 08:23:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Its been a while since I sold mine, but, its not much smaller than the Nano IIRC |
| 08:23:51 | JdGordon| | does clip have a hotkey button? |
| 08:24:08 | funman | JdGordon|: no |
| 08:24:19 | JdGordon| | then long down should be hotkey so it is up to the user what it does |
| 08:24:38 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Just checking I'm not missing it here... http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1930982 |
| 08:24:41 | funman | hm long down might work |
| 08:24:54 | S_a_i_n_t | that's the diff from SVN and the forum guys "changes" |
| 08:25:09 | JdGordon| | the diff is useless :) |
| 08:25:13 | S_a_i_n_t | that tells me there's narry a single difference, correct? |
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| 08:25:26 | JdGordon| | no, it says every line is different |
| 08:25:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...which isn't so...crappy diff :/ |
| 08:26:05 | JdGordon| | probably trialing spaces |
| 08:26:19 | S_a_i_n_t | is there a better way to do it? I just did "diff file file > file.diff |
| 08:26:31 | S_a_i_n_t | +" |
| 08:26:32 | JdGordon| | -u gives a nicer output slightly |
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| 08:26:50 | funman | diff -w also (ignore whitespace) |
| 08:27:20 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, thanks. |
| 08:27:59 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, whitespace was the problem...he either changed nothing, or posted the wrong file. |
| 08:28:25 | funman | or \r\n vs \n |
| 08:28:37 | JdGordon| | or it is broken in svn |
| 08:29:13 | funman | pamaury: ping |
| 08:29:22 | S_a_i_n_t | diff -u -w 1.wps 2.wps > diff.diff gives a completely empty diff file, so either I did it wrong, or, there is no changes. |
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| 08:34:27 | JdGordon| | funman: on the keymap thing, I tihnk (apart from the ondio) hotkey should be required and so it has a much higher "priority" in the keymap fiddling than pitch/playlist/etc |
| 08:34:44 | JdGordon| | the need to #define HAVE_HOTKEY in each target config is just silly imo |
| 08:35:19 | funman | i think blue_dude didn't want to upset people |
| 08:35:31 | funman | so if targets don't have a hotkey it just means devs with these targets are lazy |
| 08:35:55 | JdGordon| | imo, that was the wrong thing to do. |
| 08:36:08 | funman | he should have chosen a key as random? |
| 08:36:33 | JdGordon| | or at least with some discussion... |
| 08:36:39 | S_a_i_n_t | He got enough hassle for that commit, I think he was glad to be rid of it in the end. |
| 08:37:00 | funman | discussion for the million of supported targets? |
| 08:37:03 | S_a_i_n_t | there was *plenty* of keymap discussion also...to much. |
| 08:37:08 | S_a_i_n_t | *too |
| 08:37:12 | JdGordon| | it anoys me just as much that the android cabbies link to the playlist viewer instead of hotkey just because that is what kugel thought is more useful |
| 08:37:13 | funman | iirc he asked that people tell him which key to use and nobody answered |
| 08:37:41 | S_a_i_n_t | funman: I answered, just, only for the targets I had. |
| 08:37:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I happen to think my solution for iPod works well. |
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| 08:43:03 | S_a_i_n_t | re: pitchscreen..the forumgoer's thread I'm reading says that down was "submenu", whereas funman just said down was nothing...what is "submenu" anyway? |
| 08:43:20 | JdGordon| | wps context menu maybe |
| 08:43:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha...wait, isn;t that long select on all targets? |
| 08:44:16 | JdGordon| | should be |
| 08:44:28 | JdGordon| | or quickscreen? check the old code |
| 08:44:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I wonder what "submenu" is. |
| 08:44:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, right...could be quickscreen. |
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| 08:46:30 | funman | it was nothing in the wps |
| 08:46:49 | JdGordon| | EDIOTFORUMGOERS? |
| 08:46:55 | JdGordon| | +I |
| 08:46:57 | funman | ah, long down is playlist |
| 08:47:05 | funman | like center o: |
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| 08:53:03 | funman | progress on USB for AMSv2! |
| 08:53:09 | funman | it still doesn't work, but in a different way ;) |
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| 08:54:17 | S_a_i_n_t | is the SVN Nano2G bootloader known broken? |
| 08:54:33 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven doesn't use it, so, I guess not. |
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| 08:58:55 | funman | pamaury: http://pastie.org/1133223 <- i get panic: EP 0 out on clipv2, but i don't know what to do next |
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| 09:01:55 | funman | EP0 out, then EP0 in, EP0 out again, EP0 out again... (i stopped there) |
| 09:04:11 | funman | only for EP0 though |
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| 09:13:06 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: AH, I'm tihnking he means the submenu button as in the image on the button is of a submenu |
| 09:13:45 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: that makes *some* sense I guess. |
| 09:14:01 | funman | the manual refers to it as 'Submenu' |
| 09:14:06 | S_a_i_n_t | He said he liked the old functionality...he liked it doing nothing? |
| 09:14:16 | JdGordon| | turns on the backlight |
| 09:14:57 | JdGordon| | hotkey is long down (or long down is playlist if no hotkey enabled) |
| 09:15:20 | funman | looks cool |
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| 09:29:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Can anyone think of a better way I can do "delete "non-SVN" files" than: svn st | awk '/^?/ {print substr($0,8)}' | (while read a ; do rm -r "$a" ; done) |
| 09:30:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I would preferably like a way for it to prompt me about each file it finds, and ask me if I really want to delete it or not. |
| 09:30:23 | funman | linux apparently gets a ETIMEDOUT when reading device descriptor |
| 09:30:38 | funman | yet i get an 'enumeration done' interrupt on the clipv2 |
| 09:34:33 | funman | pamaury: dwc_otg_pcd_handle_enum_done_intr() seems to do a lot more than prepare_setup_ep0() |
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| 09:40:09 | funman | long down hotkey doesn't work in the file browser |
| 09:41:11 | funman | and long home is quickscreen :o |
| 09:41:36 | JdGordon| | why doesnt it work? |
| 09:41:43 | funman | it just goes down |
| 09:41:49 | JdGordon| | oh obviously :p |
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| 09:42:25 | funman | which context is used in file browser? |
| 09:42:37 | JdGordon| | CONTEXT_TREE -> CONTEXT_STD |
| 09:42:46 | JdGordon| | long down needs to keep being scroll down |
| 09:43:02 | JdGordon| | the hotkey button doesnt *need* to be the same on all screens |
| 09:43:21 | S_a_i_n_t | It should be, though. |
| 09:43:26 | funman | but there's no button available on std context then |
| 09:43:33 | funman | .. except power |
| 09:43:41 | funman | only long power, even |
| 09:43:46 | JdGordon| | the browser doesnt *need* hotkey even |
| 09:43:54 | * | JdGordon| likes bolindg need |
| 09:43:55 | funman | which is also "mapped" to "hard power down" |
| 09:44:06 | funman | JdGordon|: you don't *need* bolding |
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| 09:46:32 | funman | what about this: move PITCHSCREEN to long UP |
| 09:50:05 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r27982): Clip WPS keymap: move pitchscreen to long up ... |
| 09:50:16 | funman | problem solved! |
| 09:50:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Can someone have a look at committing FS #5855 please? It may need to be edited slightly, as I'm not too much a fan of the paddles changing colour according to music played, but I *really* like the fact that it enables a (pretty good, actually) AI to pong. |
| 09:50:48 | S_a_i_n_t | a solely two player game on a DAP is a bit of a FAIL IMO |
| 09:51:54 | CIA-81 | r27982 build result: All green |
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| 10:03:49 | funman | so far http://pastie.org/1133306 seems to give a bit more battery life on AMSv1, more results when they power off completely, and tests welcome |
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| 10:11:37 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I'm thinking about the new icons you want in the cabbie touchscreen popup thingy...you can differentiate between "touch" and "long touch" no? |
| 10:12:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm wondering if the functionality of the existing icons could be changed without adding new icons. |
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| 10:12:31 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps the icons appearence would need to be changed, though. |
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| 10:16:10 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: you want to actually change the icon while the user is pressing it? |
| 10:16:26 | JdGordon| | a new row would be far more useable |
| 10:16:41 | S_a_i_n_t | no, what I mean is that a short press of the icon could do one thing, and a long press another. |
| 10:16:57 | JdGordon| | yes, that is doable, but how would you show it? |
| 10:16:58 | S_a_i_n_t | the icons appearence would need to be changed I imagine, though. |
| 10:17:04 | S_a_i_n_t | ^ |
| 10:17:15 | JdGordon| | there is plenty of screen space so a second row would be better |
| 10:17:28 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: the "%xd(E, %mm, -1)" was added to the one cabbiev2.wps by JdGordon| during this commit |
| 10:17:49 | S_a_i_n_t | aha! |
| 10:18:39 | S_a_i_n_t | was it intentional? |
| 10:18:56 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems very odd to have one different, and not all. |
| 10:19:12 | pixelma | I guess so |
| 10:19:27 | * | S_a_i_n_t apologises to mc2739 for thinking it was he who did so. |
| 10:19:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I thought it was just him and myself working on the cabbie themes. |
| 10:20:05 | S_a_i_n_t | too many cooks, spoiling broth, etc. etc. |
| 10:20:54 | pixelma | as a "show how it works", I too think that it is weird having one different but didn't say because I don't want all others to change this way too |
| 10:21:38 | JdGordon| | why do you make assumptions? "cabbiev2.176x220x16.wps is an example of how to use this" |
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| 10:22:06 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: agreed. I voiced my opinion...but don't want to press it, as, it went *very* badly the last time I had a strong difference of opinion. |
| 10:22:23 | gevaerts | pixelma: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tags/ for the tags. For branches, I looked at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/branches/v3_4/ (and v3_5) and looked for the oldest number ("branched for xxx") message |
| 10:22:32 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: That seems kinda odd though, to have it in one, and not all. |
| 10:22:37 | JdGordon| | why? |
| 10:22:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Not saying I want it in all, though ;) |
| 10:22:44 | JdGordon| | they are funcionally identical |
| 10:23:02 | S_a_i_n_t | but, harder to read for a novice coder. (IMO) |
| 10:23:14 | S_a_i_n_t | but I *really* don't want to go there agian...*sigh* |
| 10:23:50 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps not harder to read...but, less obvious as to what the code actually does. |
| 10:24:15 | JdGordon| | that is entirely subjective, and please don't :) |
| 10:24:54 | S_a_i_n_t | especially as there is a mix of both ways of doing things in the one theme, if all were done that way...it would be "better"(?) |
| 10:26:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not really sure I like the fact that I need to avoid voicing my opinions because it might start a huge flamewar, though. |
| 10:26:38 | pixelma | aha, sorry. This line seems to not be in SVN cabbiev2.220x176x16 at all |
| 10:26:42 | * | JdGordon| suddenly realises he didnt update CustomWPS, probably because of the keffufle |
| 10:27:03 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: non subjective opinions are fine |
| 10:27:23 | S_a_i_n_t | there's no such thing as a non subjective opinion! |
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| 10:27:40 | pixelma | that is interesting :\ |
| 10:27:41 | S_a_i_n_t | all opinions are subjective, or, is that what you're pointing at? |
| 10:27:53 | JdGordon| | saying X is easier than Y is just asking for trouble |
| 10:28:09 | S_a_i_n_t | well, it shouldn't be...but, apparently it is. |
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| 10:28:45 | JdGordon| | grr.. the whole image section actually needs to be rewritten |
| 10:31:22 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: it's 176x200x16 that has the odd mix of different ways of doing sublimages |
| 10:31:39 | pixelma | yeah, found it |
| 10:31:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure now if it was mc2739 or JdGordon that added them. |
| 10:32:01 | S_a_i_n_t | I _think_ it was mc2739 |
| 10:32:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I initially thought it was me, because whoever did it kept my coding/commenting style intact. |
| 10:32:36 | JdGordon| | if that is e200 then it was me.. probably... maybe... |
| 10:32:40 | pixelma | no-one |
| 10:32:55 | S_a_i_n_t | no-one? |
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| 10:33:06 | S_a_i_n_t | *someone* did it ;) |
| 10:33:16 | pixelma | it's not in the cabbiev2.220c176x16.wps in SVN |
| 10:33:36 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm looking at it in SVN now :/ |
| 10:33:56 | S_a_i_n_t | its 176x220x16...I messed that up earlier |
| 10:35:13 | pixelma | see above then - and that's not used on the Fuze |
| 10:35:53 | S_a_i_n_t | yes, I messed that up...I said the wrong target as I mixed up 22x176 and 176x220 |
| 10:36:00 | S_a_i_n_t | *220x176 |
| 10:38:32 | S_a_i_n_t | If I do a quick change to cabbieV2.220x176 is someone able to commit it for me? |
| 10:39:01 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll leave the weird subimage style...but I wasnt to get rid of the %?c's in the album info |
| 10:39:11 | S_a_i_n_t | s/wasn't/want/ |
| 10:39:51 | S_a_i_n_t | lines 66~73 in cabbiev2.176x220x16 |
| 10:40:05 | S_a_i_n_t | the conditions there are irrelevant. |
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| 10:46:34 | webguest74 | running diagnostics on a ipod 5.5g. No firewire port on this model, but it wants me to plug in the firewire so it can test the power. Tried all the buttons, and several button combinations, but I can't seem to bypass this test. Can't even power down. Hard reset is the only thing that appears to work. Anyone know any tricks to get out of here without a reset? |
| 10:47:19 | JdGord | What diagnostics? |
| 10:47:40 | webguest74 | I put it into diagnostic mode |
| 10:48:14 | webguest74 | can't really tell you more cause this is the first time I've done it myself |
| 10:48:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I've never heard of it asking to plug firewire if the model doesn't support firewire. |
| 10:48:27 | JdGord | We don't support the apple os. |
| 10:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | http://filebin.ca/dtbhod/cabbiev2.176x220x16.patch <−− commit please? |
| 10:49:05 | JdGord | 404 |
| 10:49:13 | webguest74 | JdGord: no kidding |
| 10:49:30 | JdGord | So why would you ask us? |
| 10:49:39 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGord: really? I can reach it fine. |
| 10:49:43 | S_a_i_n_t | try http://filebin.ca/dtbhod |
| 10:50:02 | JdGord | Stupid phone... pastebin? |
| 10:50:41 | JdGord | Actually... ill look when I get home |
| 10:50:51 | webguest74 | because I'm having trouble with rockbox and someone here suggested I run some diagnostics |
| 10:51:35 | gevaerts | webguest74: yes, we suggested looking at the smart data for the disk, not running the full set |
| 10:52:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Ok, take two: http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1931030 <−−commit please? |
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| 10:53:03 | JdGord | Boring change :) |
| 10:53:13 | JdGord | Is that all inside a cond VP? |
| 10:53:18 | S_a_i_n_t | boring, but, not confusing/irrelevant |
| 10:53:49 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGord: yeah...the VP is conditional...so it doesn't need the %?C condition. |
| 10:54:03 | JdGord | Ok. When I get home |
| 10:54:10 | S_a_i_n_t | s/conditional/conditional to %?C" |
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| 10:59:16 | webguest74 | gevaerts: thought I might as well play around since I was there. |
| 10:59:43 | gevaerts | webguest74: well sure, but we don't know anything about the rest :) |
| 10:59:48 | S_a_i_n_t | "playing around" == "asking for trouble" |
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| 11:00:10 | webguest74 | gevaerts: so I just ran the smart data and there are no errors reported |
| 11:01:29 | webguest74 | gevaerts: is the data that was produced useful to you? |
| 11:02:03 | gevaerts | good question |
| 11:05:27 | S_a_i_n_t | webguest74: can you post the SMART data to pastebin? |
| 11:05:49 | S_a_i_n_t | and, is there an excessive ammount of reallocations? |
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| 11:07:26 | S_a_i_n_t | http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/ |
| 11:07:35 | S_a_i_n_t | webguest74: if you're wondering ^ |
| 11:08:06 | webguest74 | S_a_i_n_t: zero reallocations |
| 11:09:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I assume you've tried running a disk check? |
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| 11:13:53 | webguest74 | S_a_i_n_t: http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1931042 |
| 11:14:12 | webguest74 | S_a_i_n_t: what's a disk check? |
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| 11:15:02 | webguest74 | I thought that is what I was doing get the smart data |
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| 11:21:22 | webguest24 | when converting an ipod from hfs+ to fat32, should you end up with two partitions? the first one is only the first four sectors. The rest of the disk is the fat32 one. I used the wiki instructions and a linux command line to convert, downloaded the partition table and dd'ed it |
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| 11:22:35 | gevaerts | You're supposed to have two partitions, yes, but the first one shouldn't be four sectors... |
| 11:23:09 | webguest24 | gevaerts: i may be wrong about the size, I just remember it was small |
| 11:23:32 | gevaerts | A few tens of megabytes I think |
| 11:25:17 | Stephen__ | JdGordon - just going through the logs and http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100901#09:02:21 there should be two bug reports ith this issue FS #11583 and FS #11562, both seem to be related to remotes triggering the issue. is your crashes on targets with remotes ? Just also wanted to bring these two to your attention. I also think these would hold back a realease should it be pending soon ? |
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| 13:32:07 | JdGordon | anyone want to quickly test a bugfix before i commit it? |
| 13:32:21 | JdGordon | bit of a biggish timeout handling change in the skin renderer |
| 13:32:25 | funman | fuzev1 runtime: 18h (instead of a bit less than 15h previously) |
| 13:32:45 | funman | clipv1 still running but it should be ~10h instead of 8h so around the same improvement |
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| 13:43:35 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r27983): fix FS #11588 - %t(0) inside conditionals wasnt making that subline skip |
| 13:43:45 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r27984): Small cabbie update by Hayden Pearce for cabbiev2.176x220x16 |
| 13:45:26 | CIA-81 | r27983 build result: All green |
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| 13:47:06 | CIA-81 | r27984 build result: All green |
| 13:47:11 | JdGordon | trying one last time before writing a ton of code... any ideas how to profile the skin renderer (in the sim is good enough)? |
| 13:49:30 | funman | JdGordon: using a profiler maybe? |
| 13:49:40 | JdGordon | thanks :) which? |
| 13:49:59 | funman | there's plenty, i know gprof and oprofile |
| 13:51:18 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:53:35 | funman | http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Fuze/Rockbox/td-p/187630 < i asked a free fuze+ from sandisk ;) |
| 13:54:31 | pixelma | it wasn't an e200v2 |
| 13:54:40 | pixelma | it was a v1 ;) |
| 13:55:38 | funman | oops :/ |
| 13:59:05 | JdGordon | haha fat chance |
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| 14:10:40 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r27985): fix test_codec broken after r27968 |
| 14:10:56 | funman | clipv1 runtime: 9h45 |
| 14:12:21 | CIA-81 | r27985 build result: All green |
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| 14:21:13 | funman | pamaury: ping |
| 14:29:24 | pamaury | yes |
| 14:31:44 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100902#08:53:03 |
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| 14:34:19 | pamaury | My major problem with usbv2 is corruption. My current code breaks because it often happens that the data of a setup packet refers to the one of the previous setup packet. I already clean teh cache so I don't understand the problem. I will try with your patch |
| 14:34:40 | funman | i have seen this structure |
| 14:35:02 | funman | it might be worth to force it to be aligned up and down, using attribute aligned and union with char[32] |
| 14:35:15 | funman | is there a way i could check for corruption without the USB hardware you have ? |
| 14:35:46 | pamaury | I already align it on 16, I can try with 32 but I can only align down |
| 14:35:47 | pamaury | did you extract these settings from the firmware ? |
| 14:37:13 | funman | you can align up with the union |
| 14:37:24 | funman | and the cache line size is 32 bytes |
| 14:37:31 | funman | yes it comes from OF |
| 14:38:02 | pamaury | why would I want to align up ? With a 8 byte buffer, either I align down or up |
| 14:38:04 | funman | the bits i changed in CCU_USB are only there for a certain clocking of CGU_USB |
| 14:38:25 | funman | so cleaning the cache will have no interference with other code/data |
| 14:38:54 | funman | and it's not aligned in svn |
| 14:39:21 | pamaury | yes, the svn is not up to date, perhaps it's not an alignment problem because it seems quite erratic for me |
| 14:39:40 | funman | can you try with my changes and tell me if it changes anything? |
| 14:40:58 | pamaury | yes |
| 14:42:15 | funman | thanks |
| 14:45:48 | pamaury | I can't see a difference on my clip+. That's always the same thing: I get a GetDeviceDescriptor -> Ok, then a reset, then a set address and for an unknown reason, the content of the setup packet for the SetAddress is the one of the GetDeviceDescriptor |
| 14:46:18 | funman | where is the setup packet written? |
| 14:46:24 | pamaury | static struct usb_ctrlrequest ep0_setup_pkt __attribute__((aligned(32)) |
| 14:46:36 | funman | please commit your changes.. |
| 14:46:40 | pamaury | okay |
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| 14:49:25 | funman | my change to set_cpu_frequency() seems to break long home press on fuzev1 ?? |
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| 14:52:08 | funman | FS #11597 - AMSv1: improve battery life |
| 14:53:27 | pamaury | Do I integrate your settings for the clock ? |
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| 14:54:18 | kugel | funman: interesting, what are the new clock settings with that? |
| 14:54:20 | funman | pamaury: no |
| 14:54:23 | funman | kugel: same |
| 14:54:38 | kugel | I'm surprised it makes a difference |
| 14:55:01 | funman | fastbus just bypass fclk and uses pclk as cpu clock |
| 14:55:08 | funman | with this patch fclk is really reduced |
| 14:55:32 | kugel | oh I see |
| 14:55:40 | kugel | what was fclk again? :> |
| 14:55:41 | funman | this home button thing is weird, can you reproduce it? |
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| 14:56:10 | funman | CPU clock |
| 14:56:26 | TheSeven | fclk = arm core clock (if not in fastbus mode), hclk = ahb clock, pclk = apb clock |
| 14:57:00 | TheSeven | and IIRC it switches to hclk, not pclk, so you should probably change the hclk divider so that hclk = pclk |
| 14:57:20 | funman | hclk = pclk already |
| 14:57:25 | funman | i think it's not configurable |
| 14:57:38 | kugel | is it possible to get pclk@32MHz but mem@64MHz to work with that? |
| 14:57:47 | funman | and btw my patch is buggy, in synchronous mode fclk must be higher than hclk/pclk |
| 14:57:47 | TheSeven | on the nano2g there's an optional /2 or /4 divider between hclk and pclk |
| 14:58:19 | TheSeven | (in some undocumented bits of a clock control reg :P ) |
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| 15:00:19 | CIA-81 | New commit by pamaury (r27986): as3525v2: ... |
| 15:02:04 | CIA-81 | r27986 build result: All green |
| 15:02:26 | pamaury | funman: committed |
| 15:02:42 | funman | thanks |
| 15:03:50 | kugel | pamaury: btw, #undef doesn't cause a warning if the symbol is undefined so putting #ifdefs around is not needed |
| 15:04:14 | pamaury | I didn't know that :) Thanks, I'll change that one day :) |
| 15:04:29 | pamaury | I really don't understand why it doesn't work. If the controller signal a setup packet, the data must be there, so how can I read the data of the *previous* one ? |
| 15:04:47 | TheSeven | caches? |
| 15:04:52 | kugel | maybe try with dcache disabled entirely? |
| 15:05:53 | pamaury | I have a single check before this, how can I disable dcache ? |
| 15:07:27 | funman | modify enable_mmu |
| 15:07:44 | kugel | memory-init.S I think |
| 15:07:47 | funman | or put your structures in uncached memory |
| 15:08:21 | pamaury | ok, let's try the second first, how do I do this ? |
| 15:08:28 | kugel | funman: could we get rid of memory-init.S with using a spare stack before the real stack? |
| 15:08:36 | funman | struct x pkt0_; struct x *pkt0 = UNCACHED_ADDR(&pkt0); |
| 15:08:48 | funman | kugel: what's wrong with it? |
| 15:09:08 | funman | and why does it need a stack? |
| 15:09:12 | kugel | I just dislike asm when you can achieve the same in C |
| 15:09:24 | pamaury | funman: I continue to give PHYISCAL_ADDr to dma and use UNCACHED_ADDR to read ? |
| 15:09:27 | kugel | the C version needs a stack, wasn't that the reason the .S was introduced? |
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| 15:09:40 | funman | pamaury: yes, use all accesses through UNCACHED_ADDR |
| 15:09:56 | funman | kugel: true, but IMO it's better in assembler so no bugs will slip through |
| 15:11:16 | kugel | I think asm is more error prone, although neither seems to buggy right now (and probably won't change any time soon) |
| 15:11:49 | funman | did you see my message at 5:59? |
| 15:11:58 | kugel | yes, and I have no idea |
| 15:12:10 | kugel | if you're interested use bloat-o-meter |
| 15:12:55 | pamaury | where is define UNCACHED_ADDR ? |
| 15:15:57 | kugel | s/CACHE_ALL/CACHE_NONE/ in memory-init.S seems easier :) |
| 15:16:29 | funman | pamaury: use grep! system-target.h |
| 15:17:15 | pamaury | nope, system-target doesn't provide it to me, I need to copy the definition |
| 15:17:31 | pamaury | ok, it doesn't change anything, let's try with the whole cache |
| 15:17:35 | funman | AS3525_UNCACHED_ADDR |
| 15:18:10 | pamaury | ah |
| 15:18:19 | pamaury | I forgot the AS3525 :) |
| 15:18:23 | funman | we changed it to hide it from apps/usb* |
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| 15:21:47 | pamaury | with no caching it doesn't do anything, it even failes to enumerate |
| 15:21:47 | funman | this HOME button not working on repeat is weird, if it works on single press the common driver should handle repeats :/ |
| 15:21:55 | funman | pamaury: too slow perhaps? |
| 15:22:11 | pamaury | don't, it also crashes the usb analyzer |
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| 15:22:51 | funman | did you _dcache*() ? |
| 15:23:23 | pamaury | yes I still use *_dcache, it is wrong |
| 15:23:24 | pamaury | ? |
| 15:23:34 | kugel | pamaury: rockbox is a good deal slower w/o dcache, maybe a timing problem? |
| 15:23:52 | funman | yes it's wrong, not sure if there are nasty side effects but remove them to be sure |
| 15:24:03 | pamaury | possible, looking at the code, I get a usb reset before getting a chance to answer the setup packet, that's probably a timing problem |
| 15:24:27 | funman | did you disable also icache? |
| 15:25:29 | funman | USB_DEVBSS_ATTR isn't intended for alignement |
| 15:25:53 | funman | it's to put BSS in iram (or not) |
| 15:26:11 | kugel | or to not put it at all, but allocate on the audio buffer |
| 15:26:13 | funman | how do you check logf log btw? |
| 15:26:33 | pamaury | the debug menu |
| 15:26:44 | funman | i don't get control back on disconnect |
| 15:27:00 | pamaury | why USB_DEVBSS_ATTR isn't for alignement, how do force alignment then ? The firmware needs to provide correctly align buffer |
| 15:27:22 | funman | just use __attribute__((aligned)) (but i see usb-drv-arc.c does that also) |
| 15:27:46 | funman | and nano2g |
| 15:27:57 | funman | kugel: which target does that? (and how, and why?) |
| 15:28:22 | kugel | all do, except creative zvm IIRC |
| 15:28:38 | pamaury | yes but for example, the code in usb_core needs to provide correctly aligned buffer, and the only used attribute is USB_DEVBSS_ATTR, so you need to work with this |
| 15:28:39 | funman | i think you're mistaken with something else |
| 15:29:03 | funman | pamaury: hmm |
| 15:29:15 | pamaury | okay, doesn't work too, caching might not be the problem |
| 15:30:34 | kugel | funman: quite possibly |
| 15:30:46 | pamaury | funman: look at the code: in usb_core.c |
| 15:30:46 | pamaury | static unsigned char response_data[256] USB_DEVBSS_ATTR; |
| 15:31:04 | pamaury | the response_data is a buffer given to usb code, so it's not aligned correctly it doesn't work |
| 15:31:06 | kugel | do we implement NOCACHEBSS_ATTR? that could also be useful |
| 15:31:50 | funman | no, it just requires linker magic |
| 15:32:09 | funman | pamaury: might be worth adding a new define then |
| 15:32:33 | pamaury | or renaming this one |
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| 15:33:16 | funman | no, it does what its name suggests (unless where it is abused for something else) |
| 15:34:47 | pamaury | As far as I know, the only uses of this are for usb buffer in usb_core, and in usb drivers. And why can't it include alignment ? If you put it in BSS, there is no reason to skip an alignment attribute |
| 15:35:16 | funman | but there is no reason to do it either? |
| 15:35:33 | funman | just create an USB_ALIGN or something |
| 15:35:43 | pamaury | yes there is, if every buffer must be aligned to something, this is part of the attribute |
| 15:35:50 | pamaury | no reason to split |
| 15:35:59 | funman | it's a different requirement -> a different define |
| 15:36:39 | pamaury | I disagree, the define say: put it in bss in a way the usb code can use it, so alignment is part of the requirement |
| 15:36:40 | * | kugel is with pamaury here but it's totally insignificant :) |
| 15:36:59 | kugel | pamaury: I see no reason why resonse_data[] can't be aligned for all targets |
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| 15:37:44 | funman | just add aligned(32) like most things do in firmware/usb* |
| 15:37:46 | pamaury | because it's ugly, each target specifies the necessary alignment |
| 15:38:27 | kugel | it still can with USB_DEVBSS_ATTR |
| 15:38:53 | kugel | 32byte align should work for all targets though |
| 15:38:56 | pamaury | but it should be the only way to do it, there should be no need for an extra alignement attribute is the rest of the code |
| 15:39:11 | pamaury | but anyway, it's not important as far as it works currently |
| 15:39:50 | pamaury | I'll revert my USB_DEVBSS_ATTR if you wish |
| 15:39:56 | funman | it works but it's ugly |
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| 15:40:14 | pamaury | yes, I agree |
| 15:40:32 | funman | just add alignement everywhere in firmware/usb* and remove it from USBDEV_BSS_ATTR |
| 15:41:33 | funman | (for all targets) |
| 15:41:45 | pamaury | it should be made a define, then |
| 15:41:50 | funman | and btw the use of iram might not be for speed reasons but only because iram is uncached on those models |
| 15:41:58 | funman | pamaury: yeah it'd be better i think |
| 15:42:10 | pamaury | Btw, why as3525 iusb doesn't use IBSS_ATTR for USB_DEVBSS_ATTR ? |
| 15:42:40 | funman | why should we do that? |
| 15:42:53 | pamaury | I don't know, nearly all target do, there might a reason :) |
| 15:43:03 | funman | (also please remove your define to panicf and change it to USB_DEBUG or something, because i use panicf for debugging) |
| 15:43:18 | funman | pamaury: the reason might also be that nobody still knows why we do that |
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| 15:43:29 | pamaury | the panicf is bad because you can't read a log, that's hardly a good debugging |
| 15:43:37 | funman | it's good enough for me |
| 15:44:08 | pamaury | ok |
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| 15:44:45 | funman | hm i get a suspend interrupt |
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| 15:46:36 | CIA-81 | New commit by pamaury (r27987): as3525v2: revert the USB_DEVBSS_ATTR and the panicf redefinition, don't protected #undef of USB_NUM_ENDPOINTS |
| 15:47:01 | pamaury | yes there are suspend interrupts but there are of no use basically, we don't implement suspend in usb mode |
| 15:47:46 | funman | things go that way: enumeration -> prepare setup packet for ep0 -> send device descriptor? |
| 15:48:20 | CIA-81 | r27987 build result: All green |
| 15:49:09 | pamaury | things go: |
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| 15:49:48 | pamaury | reset -> enumeration -> reset -> enum -> setup (ask desc) -> send desc -> reset after 18 bytes -> enum -> setup (set addr) -> ack -> ... |
| 15:50:54 | pamaury | I can't believe my eyes, for the first time in a long time, I got a proper set address. Perhaps that's a sign :) |
| 15:52:14 | funman | \o/ |
| 15:52:43 | pamaury | Don't be to happy, the next run might not work :) And it crashed again the analyzer /o\ |
| 15:53:05 | pamaury | *too |
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| 15:55:27 | funman | http://pastie.org/1133726 <- hack to align up |
| 15:56:30 | pamaury | Why would you want to align up ? |
| 15:56:40 | funman | to prevent cache line interference |
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| 15:57:06 | funman | it should work without but you never know |
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| 15:59:29 | funman | so when you do something with the cache lines of this structure, it will not affect any other data |
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| 16:00:04 | pamaury | hum, it doesn't work with it :) I might have do somethinf wrong |
| 16:00:57 | funman | can you have 2 DMA transfers active at the same time ? (in and out) |
| 16:02:23 | pamaury | i don't think, it's a usb restriction iic. you can setup two DMA transfers, but it will one first and then the other one. |
| 16:05:01 | funman | i'll let you work and not confuse you, it might the best thing i can do ;) |
| 16:05:55 | pamaury | With the current code, it's erratic. Sometimes set address works, sometimes not, and in all cases, it chokes on the get device descriptor after the set address |
| 16:06:17 | funman | btw the function in linux which handles enumdone interrupt is quite longer than yours |
| 16:08:45 | pamaury | it's "Set USB turnaround time based on device speed and PHY interface." but I checked and the default value is the good one iirc |
| 16:10:11 | funman | my fuzev1 home button doesn't work (for long press) on unmodified svn, so my patch is not the problem :) |
| 16:10:28 | pamaury | I'm bored by this driver, I'll do a pause |
| 16:10:40 | * | funman unbores pamaury |
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| 16:17:55 | JdGordon1 | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Images comments? |
| 16:18:05 | JdGordon1 | hopefully that explains everything clearly enough |
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| 16:31:00 | giovanni_ | JdGordon1: i don't want to bother you, but have you seen the latest update to my fulltouch skin? I would really appreciate if you'll help me for the internal speaker tag to be added to the wps system.I've written it already in the forums.http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25098.0 |
| 16:31:11 | kugel | JdGordon1: why is there a comma before filename in %x(,filename,x,y)? |
| 16:32:33 | kugel | oh, the identifier should be there, I see |
| 16:33:05 | kugel | "<label>" apparently doesn't work well with the wiki |
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| 16:43:01 | amiconn | kugel: Iirc USB_DEVBSS_ATTR was introduced because the PP usb controller needs an alignment of 2K |
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| 16:58:39 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r27988): Android: Allow "out-of-tree" builds (outside of android/, e.g. build-android/). |
| 16:59:44 | kugel | rasher: there's at least two problems for the android build in the build system |
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| 17:00:12 | CIA-81 | r27988 build result: All green |
| 17:00:17 | kugel | you cannot batch build yet because configure has no cli options for the lcd resolution and, well, no build client is able to build it :) |
| 17:00:28 | kugel | I might fix the first one in 12 revisions :p |
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| 17:11:41 | ep0ch | Hello! Can someone tell me if there are any recent Android builds available? |
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| 17:17:05 | sam_s | hi |
| 17:17:24 | sam_s | I was wondering if rockbox supports ipod shuffle 2G? |
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| 17:18:38 | sam_s | hi |
| 17:19:17 | gevaerts | sam_s: it doesn't |
| 17:19:48 | sam_s | :( |
| 17:19:52 | sam_s | i hate using itunes |
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| 17:28:03 | saratoga | not sure if this is useful, but theres a GPL'ed android MTP driver out there: http://github.com/CyanogenMod/cm-kernel/commit/971ec3b1cb75839892c015942bf9b032d182f4da |
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| 17:42:19 | roolku | kugel: what is required to get a build environment for the android port? |
| 17:42:31 | kugel | android sdk and ndk |
| 17:43:17 | roolku | kugel: regarding the screen size - since we only want to see if a commit breaks the build, maybe you can have a default resolution to fall back on if none is specified? |
| 17:43:38 | roolku | kugel: is there a wikipage with instructions/links? |
| 17:43:44 | kugel | there's one, but you need to press enter twice |
| 17:44:28 | kugel | there's a readme in the android folder, maybe that helps (it also has links to the android docs for sdk and ndk) |
| 17:45:20 | roolku | kugel: that (pressing enter twice) shouldn't be to hard to work around? ;p |
| 17:45:43 | kugel | the build systems only works with the cli options |
| 17:45:45 | gevaerts | Can the resolution be specified on the tools/configure command line? |
| 17:45:53 | kugel | it's not hard too add them, I'm just lazy right now |
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| 17:50:45 | roolku | kugel: do I read this right, you need an x server to set up the SDK? "install the actual platform sdk from the available packages tab" |
| 17:51:48 | kugel | uhm, I think so |
| 17:51:56 | kugel | can you do ssh -X? |
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| 17:55:28 | roolku | not easily, the nodes are behind a NAT router - also I don't really want to do it interactively for all the nodes...ah well |
| 17:56:14 | kugel | maybe you can do it once and copy the sdk folder afterwards |
| 17:56:23 | kugel | I can't really help it |
| 17:57:50 | roolku | I'll give it a try when I am bored with work :) |
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| 18:03:23 | saratoga | do we need android build servers? |
| 18:06:20 | roolku | saratoga: maybe not many, but it would be good to see if an unrelated commit breaks the andriod build? |
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| 18:17:13 | Samosa | Is it true ? |
| 18:17:25 | Samosa | Rockbox on android ? |
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| 18:18:35 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AndroidPort |
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| 18:24:24 | kugel | can't we just make absolute point mode default? |
| 18:24:29 | kugel | :/ |
| 18:24:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Not when there are still screens that don't support absolute mode, I wouldn;t say. |
| 18:25:32 | kugel | I rather opt for showing a splash "Switched to grid mode" for the time being |
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| 18:26:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, so when you enter a screen that doesn't support absolute point, it shows a splash re: switching to grid mode? |
| 18:26:45 | saratoga | what doesn't support pointing? |
| 18:26:47 | kugel | plus actually switching to grid mode (temporarily) |
| 18:27:11 | kugel | saratoga: pitchscreen, graphical eq, buffering debug from the top of my head |
| 18:27:19 | S_a_i_n_t | wouldn't it be less work to actually make the screens that don't use absolute point mode, support absolute point mode? |
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| 18:27:37 | kugel | certainly not |
| 18:27:43 | * | S_a_i_n_t doesn't actually know the answer to that. |
| 18:28:13 | kugel | I don't use those screens so I'm not strongly motivated |
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| 18:29:39 | S_a_i_n_t | the splash and mode switching seems a bit of a kludge though, and a lot like avoiding the real issue...no offence. |
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| 18:30:07 | kugel | yea, of course |
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| 18:41:16 | Lonie | Question: If I have a USB flash drive (F:) and a iPod (E:) connected to my computer and run RB utility and RB utility detects the iPod as drive (F:) is this a bug? |
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| 18:41:33 | n1s | Lonie: sounds like it |
| 18:41:42 | S_a_i_n_t | Lonie: Certainly sounds so. |
| 18:41:50 | Lonie | Ok. I should make a bug report then? |
| 18:41:57 | S_a_i_n_t | Sure |
| 18:42:07 | Lonie | Ok. thats all I needed, thanks. |
| 18:42:22 | S_a_i_n_t | And, a recipie to reproduce, or, as much detail as possibly about OS/etc |
| 18:42:29 | S_a_i_n_t | *possible |
| 18:42:31 | Lonie | Ok. |
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| 18:57:30 | * | S_a_i_n_t reads (the rather long winded) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25636.msg171241#msg171241 |
| 18:57:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Is it really the case that DB auto-update doesn't work unless dircache is enabled? |
| 18:59:43 | n1s | no, that was changed a pretty long time ago |
| 18:59:58 | n1s | it used to be that way but it confused users |
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| 19:00:04 | S_a_i_n_t | apparently he learnt if from the manual..so, that may need changing. |
| 19:00:05 | n1s | now it's just dog slow |
| 19:00:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *it |
| 19:00:31 | n1s | may need indeed |
| 19:01:02 | S_a_i_n_t | I shall look forst, and see if it indeed does say that. |
| 19:01:08 | S_a_i_n_t | gah...*first. |
| 19:02:10 | n1s | also as to why it isn't default is because it would be annoying to filebrowser users if that thing kept updating all the time |
| 19:02:32 | simonrvn | recipe* |
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| 19:03:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm..maybe DB auto-update should be set to yes (and, removed as a setting altogether) if the DB is initialised? |
| 19:04:06 | S_a_i_n_t | that way, noone suffers |
| 19:05:10 | pixelma | there are also targets that have the database but not dircache - and as has been said, the auto-update is dog slow with it. |
| 19:05:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, yes...good point. |
| 19:06:08 | n1s | S_a_i_n_t: there's no way to disable the database after initializing it short of deleting the files |
| 19:07:02 | pixelma | there is also this long-standing bug that the database doesn't initialise if there is no audio file on the available disk(s), not sure what happens if e.g. someone has music only on the microSD, database initalised and for some reason ejects the card with auto-update enabled |
| 19:07:15 | S_a_i_n_t | and yes, the manual does indeed say that dircache needs to be anabled for this to work. |
| 19:07:26 | S_a_i_n_t | s/this/auto-update/ |
| 19:07:41 | n1s | then it's lying(sp?)! |
| 19:08:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll post that much at least, to that thread..though, with a flash target I don't see why anyone wouldn't have dircache enabled. |
| 19:08:44 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: huh? With a flash target dircache is *less* needed |
| 19:09:02 | S_a_i_n_t | gah...I meant to say auto-update. |
| 19:09:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I confused myself ;) |
| 19:09:17 | n1s | i never saw the reason to have dircache on flash targets at all but that is apparently just me... |
| 19:09:40 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah...I ballsed that up. |
| 19:09:58 | S_a_i_n_t | It provided a speedup, but, it is rather negligible |
| 19:10:01 | n1s | we can just ask the user whether to enable suto update after initing the db |
| 19:10:03 | S_a_i_n_t | *provides |
| 19:10:33 | S_a_i_n_t | n1s: That seems a good idea. |
| 19:10:36 | gevaerts | n1s: "after" won't work, since it might be in background |
| 19:10:44 | gevaerts | "at the time of" would though |
| 19:11:17 | S_a_i_n_t | well, after the "decision" to init the DB has been made, but *before* the actual init. |
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| 19:12:37 | S_a_i_n_t | That actually seems like rather a nice solution, if you can call it that, as there isn't really a "problem" as such. |
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| 19:18:36 | saratoga | which targets don't have dircache? |
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| 19:21:39 | docgnome | yay! my fuze should be here soon |
| 19:23:22 | bertrik | hm, +20% runtime on AMSv1 with FS #11597 sounds nice |
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| 19:24:36 | bertrik | I should benchmark that on my clipv1 |
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| 19:26:05 | pixelma | saratoga: low mem |
| 19:26:09 | saratoga | ah ok |
| 19:26:15 | saratoga | well why not make it target specific then |
| 19:26:22 | saratoga | should be easy enough to ifdef the defaults |
| 19:26:57 | S_a_i_n_t | saratoga: Is that in reference to my "enable dircache on DB init" suggestion? |
| 19:27:24 | saratoga | i was going to say just make dircache on by default on all the targets where it helps |
| 19:27:48 | S_a_i_n_t | apparently it messes with Filebrowser though? |
| 19:28:05 | gevaerts | dircache is slightly annoying on players with too many files |
| 19:28:07 | pixelma | dircache can take away quite some RAM, and if someone is fine with initialising and re-initialising instead of updating the DB (as e.g. I am) |
| 19:28:12 | S_a_i_n_t | so I thought, why not enable it if the user has chosen to use DB |
| 19:28:16 | saratoga | how much RAM does it take? |
| 19:28:27 | pixelma | depends on the number of files |
| 19:28:47 | saratoga | is there an upper limit on how much it will allocate? |
| 19:28:48 | gevaerts | 400K on my player |
| 19:28:50 | gevaerts | yes |
| 19:29:29 | saratoga | is it actually a cache or is it just remembering the entire directory structure? |
| 19:29:55 | gevaerts | It remembers the entire structure IIUC |
| 19:30:08 | pixelma | gevaerts: on your "player"? |
| 19:30:18 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes, with a small p :) |
| 19:30:25 | gevaerts | Gigabeat F to be precise |
| 19:30:46 | gevaerts | That's current usage by the way. Maximum seems to be around 7MB there |
| 19:31:24 | gevaerts | And it's for 5273 files |
| 19:33:23 | pixelma | wow, over 2 MB currently on my M5 (with a ton of data files currently though)... makes a different with just 16 MB RAM (where Rockbox itself already takes some) |
| 19:34:05 | gevaerts | Yes, there *are* valid reasons to disable dircache |
| 19:34:27 | pixelma | difference too |
| 19:37:08 | pixelma | dircache info states "Limit: 6291456 B" and "Entry count: 33475" |
| 19:38:31 | kugel | the battery savings through dircache propably outdo savings with that bit more available ram regardless of the size |
| 19:38:41 | gevaerts | Depends |
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| 19:39:11 | pixelma | I doubt it in this case... most music is flac and it's an SSD |
| 19:39:48 | gevaerts | If you usually listen to long tracks, but you happen to have the hvsc on your player and you also use it to transport unrelated files, dircache is probably a loss |
| 19:40:02 | pixelma | would be worse when just listening if it was an HDD |
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| 19:50:38 | kugel | well, I assumed hdd when I made my claim |
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| 19:52:55 | pixelma | 1/8th less audio buffer (even more) is probably quite noticeable if it has to spinup at least once on every typical "popular" audio track as flac |
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| 19:53:43 | pixelma | and not browsing too much |
| 19:57:52 | * | amiconn only enabled dircache on targets with 32MB+ ram and a real hdd |
| 19:58:22 | amiconn | For me it makes no sense to enable it on a 16MB target, and neither for ssd/ cf |
| 19:59:11 | amiconn | Otoh if someone uses the db, it makes sense to enable dircache even if not using auto-update, because dircache enabled allows the db to be committed "live" |
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| 20:00:45 | gevaerts | Wasn't there also something about detecting removed files? |
| 20:25:15 | saratoga | the manual says its needed to detect when a file is removed |
| 20:25:21 | saratoga | for the database that is |
| 20:26:53 | saratoga | it sounds like enabling direcache by default is a bad idea except possibly on a few players (64MB players ...), but enabling it when the database is on makes more sense |
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| 20:27:39 | S_a_i_n_t | I think asking whether you'd like to enable it, when initialising the DB is a good idea. |
| 20:27:51 | S_a_i_n_t | (if it isn't enabled already) |
| 20:28:48 | gevaerts | Except that asking many questions is often considered bad UI design |
| 20:29:22 | S_a_i_n_t | well..it isn't exactly going to be often. |
| 20:29:36 | S_a_i_n_t | once per install....in theory. |
| 20:29:44 | saratoga | i'd be ok with just forcing it on whenever the database is enabled |
| 20:30:15 | saratoga | at least until the dependency on the dircache is removed from the database |
| 20:30:31 | S_a_i_n_t | well, so would I...but, I can bet there'll be those that'd like to be given the option. |
| 20:30:45 | saratoga | let them improve the database then :) |
| 20:30:54 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't mind it being forced, but, I think being asked would be nicer. |
| 20:30:55 | saratoga | where is dircache anyway |
| 20:31:08 | S_a_i_n_t | you mean...the setting? |
| 20:32:10 | S_a_i_n_t | settigns - general settings - system - disk - directory cache. |
| 20:32:10 | saratoga | ah filetree.c |
| 20:32:18 | saratoga | one of those not entirely obvious file names |
| 20:32:21 | S_a_i_n_t | ah..in the source, gotcha |
| 20:34:16 | saratoga | also tree.c |
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| 20:35:07 | saratoga | so basically all the memory used by dircache is just storing the filenames |
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| 20:36:31 | saratoga | i wonder if dircache could be improved to (optionally) only cache music files |
| 20:36:35 | saratoga | and folders with music |
| 20:36:53 | AlexP | dircache.ignore.unignore :) |
| 20:36:56 | saratoga | that might save a lot of memory in the case that you store other files on a hard disk, not to mention save memory when indexing the .rockbox folder |
| 20:37:07 | saratoga | do we have dircache.ignore? |
| 20:37:17 | S_a_i_n_t | probably...perhaps another "magic" file? like database.ignore |
| 20:37:22 | S_a_i_n_t | hahahah...snap! |
| 20:37:25 | gevaerts | Actually, I'd say indexing .rockbox shouldn't be disabled |
| 20:37:27 | S_a_i_n_t | No, there isn't. |
| 20:37:37 | * | gevaerts wants to get his codecs *fast* |
| 20:38:06 | S_a_i_n_t | get a flash player then ;) |
| 20:38:09 | phixxor | hey −− I don't want to interrupt, so don't feel like you have to answer right away or at all −− but can I get help with this BASH sentence so I can understand how to use it for my needs?: find . -type f | sed -e 's#^.#//music#g' > allfiles.m3u |
| 20:38:55 | S_a_i_n_t | phixxor: Not really rockbox specific...is it? |
| 20:39:16 | S_a_i_n_t | there is probably better places for help with bash scripts than here |
| 20:39:32 | phixxor | I'm trying to make a .m3u playlist for rockbox that I read about here: so yes. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GeneralFAQ#How_can_I_make_playlists_on_my_P |
| 20:39:34 | kugel | saratoga: that would defeat its purpose, which is ,for the most part, speed up file browsing |
| 20:40:17 | saratoga | kugel: yeah but you don't need .rockbox/codecs/* to browse fast, just folders with actual music in them |
| 20:40:28 | gevaerts | saratoga: uhm you don't? |
| 20:41:01 | phixxor | S_a_i_n_t, i'm just trying to figure out how to make playlists for rockbox using the faq, and I came here b/c I didn't understand it |
| 20:41:13 | kugel | no you need to cache everything, because otherwise you'd always need to look for changed files in the folders, meaning a disk spin up for every folder |
| 20:41:54 | saratoga | you need to cache everything in a folder, but if you don't cache some folders you don't have to spin up until someone browses them |
| 20:42:05 | AlexP | phixxor: #rockboc-community would be a better place for that |
| 20:42:20 | phixxor | AlexP, thanks, I didn't know that channel existed :) |
| 20:42:26 | AlexP | no worries :) |
| 20:42:35 | AlexP | er, #rockbox-community of course |
| 20:42:37 | S_a_i_n_t | phixxor: If you just want to create a playlist of all your music files...do it on the player itself. |
| 20:42:43 | S_a_i_n_t | it'll take like a few seconds. |
| 20:42:59 | phixxor | S_a_i_n_t, that's not what I want to do really −−- are you in -community too? |
| 20:45:30 | kugel | saratoga: I don't think the few couple dozen files in .rockbox make a difference vs 10k+ music files |
| 20:46:56 | kugel | managing both cached and non-cached folders will make the code bigger, slower and probably buggier too |
| 20:47:06 | saratoga | well its more like 300 files, but it would also be useful in cases where you have other files on your player |
| 20:47:25 | saratoga | i imagine dumping a few thousand text files on a lower memory target probably screws up dircache |
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| 20:54:46 | saratoga | why is updating dircache more efficient then updating the database? it seems to me that if the dircache can figure out if a file changed well enough, shouldn't the database be able to do the same in roughly as much time? |
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| 21:04:46 | kugel | saratoga: dircache reads only the fat, tagcache reads the file's content |
| 21:05:23 | saratoga | kugel: yeah but why is detecting deleted files so hard without dircache then? presumably it just has to read the fat? |
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| 21:05:44 | saratoga | as i understand it the issue is that the database needs dircache to find deleted files otherwise its unusablely slow |
| 21:05:52 | kugel | dircache is blazing fast (it's already rebuilt after usb disconnect), tagcache is a lot slower |
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| 21:07:11 | kugel | saratoga: because the file_exists() function is a dircache lookup; if there's no dircache it opens the file (and closes again) and returns open()s success (I don't know if open already exceeds reading only the fat or not) |
| 21:07:44 | saratoga | kugel: yeah but why is that fast for dircache, but doing the same operation in tagcache isn't? |
| 21:07:49 | * | gevaerts points out that dircache does *not* look only at the fat |
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| 21:08:19 | gevaerts | saratoga: I suspect there must be something in dircache that marks deleted files while it does its on-boot scan |
| 21:09:28 | gevaerts | While if you take the naive approach, detecting deleted files means doing a lookup for each file in the database |
| 21:09:55 | kugel | gevaerts: where else? |
| 21:10:13 | saratoga | maybe this wouldn't work, but what if "dircache" kept a 4 byte hash of each file name whenever the database was enabled (but only kept the file name if dircache was enabled), that would make the size of the cache negligible if dircache was "disabled", but still make it pretty fast for the database |
| 21:10:16 | gevaerts | Basically dircache is indexed per directory, which makes this easy, while the dababase is indexed in tag-optimised ways |
| 21:10:20 | gevaerts | kugel: the directories |
| 21:10:49 | gevaerts | The fat is really only this block bitmap like structure |
| 21:10:55 | saratoga | then you always update dircache, but only save the file names if the directory cache option is on |
| 21:11:15 | kugel | I thought directories only exist in the fat |
| 21:11:25 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:11:49 | kugel | saratoga: dircache doesn't scan for deleted files. it's simply rebuilt |
| 21:11:53 | saratoga | they're files on the hard disk IIRC |
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| 21:12:20 | saratoga | kugel: i know |
| 21:12:36 | gevaerts | Yes, basically directories are files containing file information. The fat only tells you that a file that starts at cluster X occupies clusters X, Y and Z |
| 21:14:03 | kugel | saratoga: so, tagcache and dircache aren't doing the same operation |
| 21:14:58 | saratoga | kugel: i realize they're not doing the same thing, but if dircache can figure out when a file is deleted, I'm confused why its so hard for the database to perform that same specific task |
| 21:15:14 | saratoga | intuitively i would expect the same task on the system to take the same time |
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| 21:15:50 | kugel | it figures out because the delete operation goes through the dircache (remove it from the cache), then to the filesystem (remove it from the disk) |
| 21:16:15 | saratoga | i don't think thats true in UMS mode at least |
| 21:16:32 | kugel | right, that's why dircache is rebuilt on usb disconnect |
| 21:17:02 | saratoga | well why is scanning dircache on USB disconnect apparently fast, but rescanning for deleted files in the database not? |
| 21:17:11 | Lear | saratoga: But as mentioned above, to detect if a file is deleted you have to see if it exists or not. A lookup in the dircache is quick, stepping through FAT folders on disk isn't. |
| 21:17:21 | saratoga | huh? |
| 21:17:44 | saratoga | if dircache is out of date you have to step through the FAT folders ... |
| 21:18:11 | kugel | dircache never out of date |
| 21:18:33 | saratoga | it is on USB disconnect |
| 21:18:39 | saratoga | at least until it finishes updating |
| 21:18:42 | kugel | all file operations go through dircache, and it's rebuilt when we lose control over the disk (power off, UMS) |
| 21:19:06 | Lear | Hm, I think I see your point now. The tagcache should do something like this: scan the disk, similar to dircache, and flag any cache entries it finds. When done, remove all unflagged entries. |
| 21:20:14 | saratoga | if dircache and tagcache both need to do this operation, and dircache somehow does it better, maybe it makes sense to merge them and just not allocate memory for disabled features |
| 21:20:36 | kugel | that's completely different though. dircache doesn't need to flag existing entries, it just trashes and rebuilds. |
| 21:20:56 | Lear | Currently it does it the other way around: scan the tags, and try to open each file (this involves navigating the FAT structures many times per folder). |
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| 21:21:02 | kugel | it doesn't need file_exists(), which is slow without dircache |
| 21:21:45 | saratoga | ah I see, its because its doing the operation in database order, rather then FAT order? |
| 21:22:29 | kugel | Lear: what about non-music files? |
| 21:22:30 | Lear | Yes. And it can be done even if the tagcache isn't in RAM, it seems, so you either need to search the FAT or the tagcache for the right entry. |
| 21:22:41 | Lear | kugel: What about them? |
| 21:23:01 | kugel | either you scan/mark all files or you need to look at the file content to determine |
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| 23:15:50 | webguest77 | hi folks |
| 23:16:22 | webguest77 | im tryin to compile rbox for philips hdd1620 in ubuntu |
| 23:16:29 | webguest77 | like this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GoGearHDD6330 |
| 23:16:58 | webguest77 | but it gives "arm-elf-eabi-gcc not in path" error |
| 23:17:28 | Bagder | and it _is_ in your path? |
| 23:18:09 | webguest77 | no |
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| 23:18:30 | webguest77 | i guess |
| 23:18:39 | webguest77 | i guess |
| 23:18:43 | Bagder | then we know what the problem is! |
| 23:18:51 | AlexP | Does it exist at all? What dev environment are you using? |
| 23:19:22 | webguest77 | sorry im kinda new in linux |
| 23:19:34 | webguest77 | i simply run terminal in ubuntu 10.04 |
| 23:19:50 | AlexP | So you ran tools/rockboxdev.sh to build the cross compilers? |
| 23:20:29 | webguest77 | i didnt |
| 23:20:40 | webguest77 | so is that the problem |
| 23:20:46 | AlexP | Then you don't have any of the compilers |
| 23:20:55 | AlexP | So yes, you can't compile without the compilers :) |
| 23:21:10 | AlexP | Go into the directory where you checked out the Rockbox source code |
| 23:21:22 | AlexP | And run "sudo tools/rockboxdev.sh" |
| 23:21:42 | webguest77 | ok i try |
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| 23:22:54 | AlexP | If you just want to build for the hdd1620, the only option you need from the list of compilers is "e" |
| 23:23:38 | webguest77 | it gives target not found |
| 23:23:45 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 23:23:58 | S_a_i_n_t | webguest77: the link above should give you some pointers |
| 23:24:00 | AlexP | webguest77: What does? |
| 23:24:26 | AlexP | webguest77: When you type "sudo tools/rockboxdev.sh", what happens? |
| 23:24:40 | webguest77 | that happens |
| 23:24:44 | AlexP | What? |
| 23:24:44 | webguest77 | cpu not fund |
| 23:24:50 | webguest77 | manifacturer notfound |
| 23:24:55 | AlexP | I can't see your screen, you need to be precise |
| 23:25:10 | webguest77 | yzx@yz:~$ sudo "/home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh" /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 1: Target:: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 2: Target: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 3: Target: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 4: Memory:: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 5: CPU:: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxdev.sh: 6: Manufacturer:: not found /home/yzx/rockbox/tools/rockboxde |
| 23:26:08 | AlexP | Do you have build-essential installed? |
| 23:26:19 | AlexP | "sudo apt-get build-essential" |
| 23:26:49 | AlexP | er, apt-get install |
| 23:27:04 | AlexP | It's a while since I used a debian based distro :) |
| 23:28:09 | webguest77 | :) |
| 23:28:12 | webguest77 | okay im installing it now |
| 23:28:26 | AlexP | You might need to make rockboxdev.sh executable as well "chmod +x tools/rockboxdev.sh" |
| 23:28:50 | AlexP | There also might be some more dependencies needed - have a read of the page S_a_i_n_t linked, and work through it |
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| 23:29:40 | webguest77 | okay thanks |
| 23:30:01 | webguest77 | none of these are mentioned in hdd6330 page |
| 23:30:14 | AlexP | No, as it assumes you have a build environment set up |
| 23:30:20 | AlexP | This is the same for all targets |
| 23:30:34 | AlexP | (well, different cross-compilers, but same process) |
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| 23:40:32 | CIA-81 | New commit by alle (r27989): Change the file name extension for the shopper plugin from 'list' to a more descriptive 'shopper' |
| 23:41:21 | krabador | what's are focusing you developers this times? |
| 23:42:23 | CIA-81 | r27989 build result: All green |
| 23:42:39 | AlexP | Whatever people want |
| 23:43:05 | AlexP | There is no roadmap or whatever, devs work on what they fancy |
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| 23:49:37 | S_a_i_n_t | wow....I think ".shopper" needs to be awarded a trophy for "most long-winded file extension in Rockbox so far" |
| 23:50:06 | S_a_i_n_t | shoppinglist.shopper seems a little weird, but, understandable at least. |
| 23:50:33 | S_a_i_n_t | I think I would have gone for ".shop" |
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| 23:53:06 | fml | S_a_i_n_t: I was unsure about "shopping". I didn't like "shop" |
| 23:53:48 | krabador | AlexP, no 4.0 milestones? |
| 23:54:07 | AlexP | no |
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| 23:54:16 | AlexP | well, android probably |
| 23:54:29 | AlexP | But there really aren't any plans or anything |
| 23:55:38 | wodz | I bought "faulty" MPIO HD300 on ebay so I hope to back it to life and port rb to another target :-) |
| 23:55:49 | CIA-81 | New commit by alle (r27990): Add a manual entry for the shopper plugin. More details are in the wiki. |
| 23:56:01 | gevaerts | Ah, a plan! :) |
| 23:57:14 | CIA-81 | r27990 build result: All green |
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