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| 00:07:03 | funman | look the position of dfifo_depth |
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| 00:09:20 | pamaury | in 4xx config, dfifo_depth is 16 lsb, in other config, it's 16 msb |
| 00:11:00 | funman | well so the register is different |
| 00:11:29 | pamaury | all registers are this way |
| 00:11:49 | pamaury | because the endianness is different I guess so you need to reverse the order |
| 00:11:55 | pamaury | that might be a gcc trick too |
| 00:12:02 | funman | endianess works with bytes not group of 2 bytes |
| 00:12:05 | pamaury | because the order of the fields is actuallu undefined |
| 00:12:15 | pamaury | then it's gcc thing |
| 00:13:29 | pamaury | if you have a close look, all register fields are in reverse order if i'm correct |
| 00:13:46 | funman | it seems so |
| 00:14:07 | pamaury | but now that's you are talking about it, the definition I chose for hwcfg3 is not consistent with my other choices |
| 00:14:08 | funman | i think we already found some code in the OF which goes well with the CONFIG_4xx registers |
| 00:14:50 | pamaury | like ? |
| 00:15:01 | funman | hm no hwcfg3 is consistent with the others i think? you use the definition at line 718 |
| 00:15:45 | pamaury | oh yes, you're right, I misread :) |
| 00:16:16 | pamaury | It seems impossible that I reversed all the registers and that it works sometimes ! |
| 00:16:34 | funman | pcgctl &= ~(1<<0); // 0x3030B814 in clip+ OF 01.0.209 |
| 00:16:37 | funman | 01.02.09* |
| 00:17:03 | funman | pamaury: well something is wrong somewhere so i'm just putting my nose where i can :) |
| 00:17:11 | pamaury | and you're right :) |
| 00:17:21 | pamaury | ok so what is this line doing ? |
| 00:18:02 | pamaury | there is no pcgctl register |
| 00:18:19 | funman | pcgcctl? |
| 00:18:27 | pamaury | ah yes :) |
| 00:18:36 | funman | according to you, it 'clears "stop pclk"' |
| 00:18:55 | * | funman slaps CIA-81 |
| 00:18:56 | pamaury | the high bits are unused: |
| 00:19:02 | pamaury | unsigned reserved : 27; |
| 00:19:09 | pamaury | so it's but be lsb |
| 00:19:14 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r27995): revert r27991 ... |
| 00:19:27 | pamaury | which is consistent with !CONFIG_4xx no ? |
| 00:19:41 | CIA-81 | r27995 build result: All green |
| 00:21:07 | funman | yes |
| 00:21:15 | funman | argh i mean no |
| 00:21:38 | funman | it's consistent with CONFIG_4xx if i consider that the last member of the struct is the lsb |
| 00:22:13 | pamaury | that's completely stupid, there are symmetric, both are lsb :) |
| 00:23:46 | funman | what? |
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| 00:24:50 | funman | endianess affects bytes not bits |
| 00:24:54 | pamaury | you said that it's can be endianness related so it must a gcc trick. So both must be lsb |
| 00:25:26 | funman | i doubt it |
| 00:25:37 | funman | the order could well be different |
| 00:25:51 | pamaury | bit-endianness ? |
| 00:26:34 | funman | call it another way, but yeah why not |
| 00:28:16 | pamaury | but then how can you tell which config the controller is ? |
| 00:28:41 | funman | grep shows CONFIG_4xx in arch/powerpc so it could be endianness o: |
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| 00:29:07 | funman | if all the registers are completely symetric it doesn't matter |
| 00:29:40 | pamaury | as far as I noticed, all registers are symmetric, it took me quite some time to check but I have missed something |
| 00:31:02 | funman | 'config 4xx_SOC' is in arch/powerpc/Kconfig |
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| 01:38:33 | Chipsaru | Hi. Is there any iRiver H3** expert? I bricked my h340 a few moments ago by flashing wrong firmware image (it was a pure accident). Now it shows blank white screen if I power up it and I can't load stock iRiver firmware. Is there any way to flash it again? May be some serial console or so? |
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| 01:42:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Chipsaru: Have you tried the Rockbox Wiki? |
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| 01:45:56 | Chipsaru | S_a_i_n_t: Yes, but didn't find anything similar (maybe I somehow missed that?) |
| 01:46:10 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps...also, try google. |
| 01:46:40 | S_a_i_n_t | h3xx+recovery from bad flash (or similar) |
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| 01:49:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Chipsaru: A bit of googling suggests that you probably aren't going to recover your device unless you have specific hardware for doing so. |
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| 01:51:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Chipsaru: I found this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18407.0 on the Rockbox forum. |
| 01:51:24 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems to suggest you have very poor odds of recovering your device |
| 01:51:25 | Chipsaru | S_a_i_n_t: But someone who did port rockbox for this player unbricked it somehow. |
| 01:51:51 | Llorean | With special hardware. |
| 01:51:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Chipsaru: Yes, a developer...with the hardware necessary to do so. |
| 01:52:22 | S_a_i_n_t | the important part is the "with special hardware" |
| 01:52:41 | S_a_i_n_t | it would possibly cost more for you to abtain that hardware, then it would a new player. |
| 01:52:48 | S_a_i_n_t | *obtain |
| 01:53:00 | S_a_i_n_t | *than |
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| 01:54:13 | Chipsaru | I understand that I need some hardware, but maybe I can solder it myself or with help of friends? |
| 01:54:40 | S_a_i_n_t | it isn't a case of "just solder X to Y" as I understand it. |
| 01:55:16 | S_a_i_n_t | The procedure is pretty bloody complicated, and wrought with all sorts of hillarious potential mishap as I understand it. |
| 01:56:25 | S_a_i_n_t | You have to understand, when installing Rockbox, that there is *always* a chance of turning your favourite DAP into a worthless piece of jumk. |
| 01:56:37 | S_a_i_n_t | It is a risk you took when you installed it. |
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| 02:00:19 | Chipsaru | I have a body of the same player which motherboard died some time ago, maybe I can resolder flash chip from that player? |
| 02:01:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps...but, unless you're *really* good with a soldering iron, and soldering micro pitch, I would forget it. |
| 02:01:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I replaced a NAND in a Nano2G, and I never want to have to do that ever again. |
| 02:01:46 | S_a_i_n_t | they are *not* designed to be soldered by hand...at all. |
| 02:04:51 | Chipsaru | It's a pity that it's a software only problem and all hardware was fine before that firmware upgrade :( |
| 02:05:58 | Torne | the BDM wiggler is not super complicated or expensive, iirc |
| 02:06:01 | Torne | but it'snot trivial or cheap either |
| 02:06:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: More expensive than a new player, IIUC |
| 02:06:45 | Torne | hm |
| 02:06:52 | Torne | the stnadard commercial one is like $150 actualy, so yeah |
| 02:06:55 | Torne | i thought it was less than that |
| 02:07:04 | S_a_i_n_t | wow..is that USD? |
| 02:07:08 | Torne | yes |
| 02:07:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Its a LOT more here |
| 02:07:16 | S_a_i_n_t | ~300 or so. |
| 02:07:16 | Torne | there's more than one |
| 02:07:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I realise that ;) |
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| 02:10:07 | Torne | Chipsaru: anyway, if you want it recovered it's possible whoever it is who has our wiggler would be willing to do it if you paid for return postage |
| 02:10:25 | Torne | but that's up to them |
| 02:15:32 | pixelma | umm, I believe petur is still waiting for a repair of his H100 but - not sure at all |
| 02:17:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Chipsaru: Basically, put it in a safe place somewhere...and hang on to it for spares :/ |
| 02:17:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Or (less likely), hope that one day you run into someone with a wiggler, *and* the knowhow to use it to restore your player. |
| 02:18:11 | Chipsaru | Torne: It is a good idea, I found that debugging hardware is too expensive, so I need to find someone with BDM to send my player... |
| 02:18:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd personally look at it is spare parts, though. |
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| 02:19:21 | S_a_i_n_t | you might find a H3xx with a broken screen/etc. online for a not-too-costly price |
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| 02:35:05 | Chipsaru | Thank you for all this suggestions, I'll try to recover it someday. |
| 02:36:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Sorry it happened, but, its a risk you take unfortunately. |
| 02:36:20 | S_a_i_n_t | If all goes well, its awesome...if not, well, y'know. |
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| 06:18:48 | avis | i installed rockbox on my e270. the MUSIC folder is not visible from the rockbox interface. banshee however does move things into the MUSIC/ folder though its not accessible through rockbox, only the original sansa firmware |
| 06:20:53 | soap | do you have rockbox set to show "all" files (ie hidden files / directories)? |
| 06:21:05 | soap | or is "MUSIC" a MTP folder, not a UMS folder? |
| 06:23:47 | avis | i'm not sure where i would configure rockbox to show all files |
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| 06:27:23 | soap | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1350008.2 |
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| 06:28:10 | soap | I don't recall the MTP behavior, but if you're in Sansa's USB mode you need to check the original firmware and make sure it's configured for ums |
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| 10:22:40 | kifo | Hi. I'm having some trouble getting my ipod nano 1g to boot into rockbox, ive done this a million times before |
| 10:22:59 | kifo | i had to restore it tonight, ive done it a good number of times before and its been fine |
| 10:23:31 | kifo | ive been triple checking and trying to redo it and such for an hour, getting rockbox on there i mean, and as far as i can tell, the process of just getting the current build and unzipping it isnt working like it always has |
| 10:23:41 | kifo | I'm not sure what else to check |
| 10:25:22 | n1s | kifo: so how does it fail? |
| 10:25:44 | kifo | just doesnt boot into rockbox |
| 10:25:50 | kifo | right into the OF |
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| 10:26:26 | n1s | did you install the bootloader? |
| 10:27:00 | kifo | lemme check, i believe so, its in my script but ill check |
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| 12:47:18 | ThomasAH | Current SVN (r27995) does not build for me (sansaclipplus, make fullzip): rockbox.svn/firmware/export/font.h:34:21: error: sysfont.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:48:29 | bertrik | I'll to reproduce that, often it helps to just do a make clean and another mak |
| 12:49:26 | * | S_a_i_n_t hands bertrik another e |
| 12:50:20 | ThomasAH | bertrik: I removed the build dir directly before that, but I'll try again |
| 12:51:43 | S_a_i_n_t | ThomasAH: Also, try "svn stat" to see if you have any files that differ from SVN (but, I should guess you do, or, you wouldn't be compiling your own build) |
| 12:52:27 | ThomasAH | S_a_i_n_t: nothing changed |
| 12:52:33 | ThomasAH | Hmm, this time it worked |
| 12:53:11 | S_a_i_n_t | \o/ |
| 12:53:29 | ThomasAH | I'm using "export MAKEFLAGS=-j8", maybe some missing dependency? |
| 12:54:35 | bertrik | I think sysfont.h is a generated file, so yeah probably a dependency that goes wrong with -j |
| 12:54:47 | S_a_i_n_t | shouldn't be. |
| 12:55:05 | S_a_i_n_t | eeek...conflict! ;) |
| 12:55:06 | ThomasAH | never had such a problem before during probably 20-30 builds |
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| 12:57:04 | ThomasAH | have to prepare lunch now, but I'll run some builds in a loop to see if it happens again |
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| 13:56:54 | fir3 | i just got a sansa fuze v2, is there anyone having the same device? is it safe to first upgrade the original firmware and then install rockbox using rbutil? or is it too unstable? |
| 13:59:29 | Llorean | Torne: Speaking of dircache (re your forum thread) is it enable by default yet (or if not, is it safe to enable by default). I don't recall seeing a commit to that end, but I've not been paying as much attention as I used to. |
| 13:59:34 | gevaerts | fir3: it doesn't really make sense to first upgrade. The rockbox installation involves patching an original firmware file (to add the rockbox bootloader) and then installing that one |
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| 14:02:01 | fir3 | so i can just go ahead and install rockbox using rbutil? |
| 14:03:42 | fir3 | or do i need some special steps? especially i would like to have the wikipedia plugin, and of course i don't want to brick the player and void the warranty by opening it ;) |
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| 14:06:24 | gevaerts | fir3: the official build doesn't have the wikipedia plugin, so an rbutil install won't give you that. I haven't heard of anyone having issues that required opening a fuze since a *long* time |
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| 14:25:37 | fir3 | can i install it using rbutil and then sperately build and copy over the wikipedia plugin? |
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| 14:26:36 | bluebrother | fir3: generally speaking: no. In some cases: yes. |
| 14:28:54 | fir3 | what is the safest way to install it with the wikipedia plugin? |
| 14:29:52 | bluebrother | installing means that you need to do two steps: install the bootloader and install the main build. Rockbox Utility will do both for you, but you can also use it to only install the bootloader. |
| 14:30:25 | bluebrother | You can also install both the official bootloader and Rockbox build, then create your own build containing the wikipedia plugin and replacing the installed build with your own one. |
| 14:31:05 | bluebrother | the problem with "just" replacing plugins is that the plugins need to match the build. I.e. you need a wikipedia plugin built for the Fuzev2 for it to work. |
| 14:31:36 | bluebrother | also, the plugin API changes sometimes. If you have a plugin for the Fuzev2 but built against an older plugin API than your build it won't work. |
| 14:32:44 | bluebrother | if you install a current build, then create your own build and only move the wikipedia plugin to the player it should work. |
| 14:33:44 | bluebrother | as building Rockbox should give the same result on your machine as on the build server. Also, a few revisions differences between plugin and main build is usually not a problem, since the plugin API doesn't change that often. |
| 14:36:07 | preglow | anyone with a d2 here? |
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| 14:38:11 | fir3 | bluebrother: where can i find instructions how to build rockbox? |
| 14:39:04 | bluebrother | fir3: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 14:42:21 | fir3 | thx :) |
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| 15:45:06 | ThomasAH | for the log: 191 builds in a row without a problem. I don't know why sysfont.h wasn't generated, maybe some file older/newer as another one after updating from svn |
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| 15:52:04 | wodz | I saw there was some talk about BDM wiggler: 1) there is very cheap USB DIY wiggler (open hardware) called TurboLight BDM (google for TBLCF). 2) Somewere on the wiki there is schematic + source/hex for ultra cheap BDM hardware meant only to flash rockbox bootloader using BDM. 3) BDM as itself is very good documented - I took me 1 day to develop hardware/software to dump flash image of MPIO. |
| 15:55:22 | ThomasAH | S_a_i_n_t, bertrik: 191 builds in a row without a problem. I don't know why sysfont.h wasn't generated, maybe some file older/newer as another one after updating from svn |
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| 16:38:57 | mulenmar | TheSeven, I think I just encountered the backlight issue you were talking about, on the Nano 2G −− and after a Stkov nand panic. |
| 16:39:26 | TheSeven | how did it behave? |
| 16:39:51 | mulenmar | I reset the iPod, and when iLoader came back up, it automatically loaded into the Apple firmware. (With the iLoader screen for it) |
| 16:40:00 | TheSeven | hmm |
| 16:40:01 | mulenmar | When I reset it AGAIN, the backlight was off. |
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| 16:40:21 | TheSeven | ok, so this backlight trouble is actually related to the OFW, not a specific device |
| 16:40:33 | mulenmar | Maybe? |
| 16:40:45 | fir3 | how much disk space does the sansa (e) toolchain take? |
| 16:41:01 | TheSeven | if it loads the apple firmware autimatically, this probably means you've held the menu button for too long |
| 16:41:06 | mulenmar | After it shut off, and I turned the iPod back on, the backlight was STILL off. |
| 16:41:35 | B4gder | fir3: at least 60MB |
| 16:41:41 | mulenmar | I was thinking that too, but this is the second time it's happened and I never hold buttons for more than a fraction of a second unless I'm trying to reset it. |
| 16:42:00 | TheSeven | well, you were resetting it before |
| 16:42:14 | mulenmar | Other than to reset it, I mean. |
| 16:42:16 | TheSeven | if you keep pressing menu after a reset for too long, it will boot the ofw |
| 16:42:31 | TheSeven | (for usage consistency with the rockbox bootloader) |
| 16:43:11 | TheSeven | so you're basically saying that the OFW messed up something in the power manager? |
| 16:43:53 | mulenmar | I . . . guess so. I'm just a user, I don't know what all the acronyms are yet. |
| 16:44:22 | TheSeven | OFW = original firmware = apple firmware |
| 16:45:02 | TheSeven | did the backlight work again after booting rockbox once? |
| 16:45:05 | mulenmar | The backlight was still forced off in the emBIOS screen and iLoader, though. And loading up Rockbox again fixed it. |
| 16:45:09 | mulenmar | Yes. |
| 16:45:14 | TheSeven | ok |
| 16:45:27 | TheSeven | the power manager chip retains its state even when powered off, that's a bit nasty |
| 16:45:38 | mulenmar | So, I guess somewhere in the Rockbox code is an easyish fix for iLoader? |
| 16:45:52 | TheSeven | i already have a suspicion what might be going on |
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| 16:46:46 | mulenmar | Oh good. It seems to be at least SOMEHOW connected to that annoying Stkov nand panic, I think −− but I'm going to try making it happen one more time and be extra-sure to not hold buttons too long. |
| 16:47:03 | TheSeven | i'm sure it isn't |
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| 16:47:15 | TheSeven | it is related to booting the apple firmware |
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| 17:07:32 | mulenmar | I think I figured it out, TheSeven. It's a combination of Rockbox-user-error (hard reset, Rockbox doesn't get to shut down gracefully), emBIOS's response to it (trying to recover files), and a weird iLoader aftermath (if I so much as TOUCH the clickwheel, WITHOUT clicking, it loads the OFW). |
| 17:08:24 | mulenmar | The Stkov nand panics cause the same response by emBIOS. |
| 17:08:42 | mulenmar | So this is a regular ol' tangled fishing line. |
| 17:10:09 | TheSeven | hmm |
| 17:10:26 | mulenmar | Most of this problem is probably better discussed in the #freemyipod channel, but since the panic is a known problem by itself (FS #11433), and triggers the issue with emBIOS and iLoader WITHOUT user screwup . . . |
| 17:11:07 | TheSeven | hm, the stkov isn't directly related to this, this will happen with any unclean shutdown |
| 17:12:05 | TheSeven | someone should deallocate that buffer in fat_rename properly to get rid of the stkov, and we should try to figure out why iloader starts going nuts after a hard reset at #freemyipod |
| 17:12:55 | mulenmar | And why emBIOS gets confused on the backlight whenever the OFW is loaded. |
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| 17:37:44 | fir3 | i did a "git clone" with the repo url on that link http://github.com/tomka/rockbox/tree/wikiviewer , but it didn't download the wikipedia plugin. how can i activate it? |
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| 18:49:12 | fir3 | alright, guess "git checkout origin/wikiviewer" made it work :) |
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| 19:08:17 | fir3 | does rbutil offer to make a backup of my player? |
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| 19:13:32 | McDougal | hello |
| 19:13:56 | McDougal | i am having some problems installing rockbox on my new sansa fuze v2 and i was wondering if you guys could help me out |
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| 19:17:53 | McDougal | my problem is i cannot boot into rockbox, i did a manual installation, everything seemed fine, then when i turned it off and i turned it back on it booted into the OF as if nothing has changed |
| 19:18:30 | gevaerts | Did you install the bootloader? |
| 19:19:59 | McDougal | yes i installed the bootloader and it seemed to install fine with no errors |
| 19:20:42 | McDougal | i also updated the OF before installing |
| 19:31:38 | fir3 | i'm also trying to install it on my new fuze v2 atm.. |
| 19:31:48 | fir3 | using rbutil |
| 19:32:35 | fir3 | bootloader and rb is installed, lets see.. |
| 19:32:56 | McDougal | i just tried to remove the bootloader from the rockbox utility...and i got an error message saying "Rockbox utility cannot uninstall the bootloader on this target. Try a normal firmware update to remove the bootloader." |
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| 19:34:37 | fir3 | hum rockbox neither launches on mine :/ |
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| 19:34:56 | McDougal | i think its a bootloader install problem, because the .rockbox folder is on the device... |
| 19:35:31 | morsem | is it ok to ask questions here? |
| 19:35:38 | McDougal | strange thing is it doesnt give any error messages when installing the bootloader through manual or utility (tried both) |
| 19:36:39 | fir3 | McDougal: yep |
| 19:36:48 | gevaerts | morsem: sure |
| 19:37:10 | McDougal | this is really strange...I know this has been done before, I know two people who have successfully rockboxed a fuze v2... |
| 19:37:18 | * | gevaerts isn't *too* familiar with the AMS sansa installation procedures... |
| 19:37:45 | gevaerts | As far as I understand it, you have to download an original firmware file and point rbutil to it |
| 19:38:00 | McDougal | yes i did that, i downloaded it from the sansa forums |
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| 19:38:36 | fir3 | i got it from here (2.3.33) http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/amsfw.html |
| 19:38:43 | McDougal | Then it finishes saying "Installation log created" |
| 19:38:45 | gevaerts | And did your fuze say something like "updating firmware" when it rebooted? |
| 19:38:52 | McDougal | no it didn't update firmware |
| 19:39:33 | pixelma | morsem: yes, if your question has to do with Rockbox just ask |
| 19:39:46 | morsem | I have 4'th gen ipod (greyscale) I installed the aug 26 daily build. Works great so far. The question is when it first powers up, to the right of the batter indicator there's a number that lasts a few seconds and then disappears. I can't find it in the manual, what it means |
| 19:40:05 | fir3 | neither got an update message on mine.. |
| 19:40:17 | McDougal | maybe thats the problem, it doesnt update the firmware, although i updated it using the sansa firmware update utility to versrion 02.03.33 before i tried installing rockbox for the first time.. |
| 19:40:32 | McDougal | through MSC mode] |
| 19:40:47 | fir3 | mine came with 02.03.33A |
| 19:41:24 | McDougal | i'm not sure what mine came with, i didn't check, but i updated it to version 02.03.33A |
| 19:41:44 | morsem | the very first rockbox bootup, it said "-25", the second time it said "-20" |
| 19:42:00 | McDougal | fir3, it appears that we are both having the exact same problem |
| 19:42:13 | fir3 | obviously :) |
| 19:42:52 | McDougal | i really hope this can be fixed, in fact the only reason why i bought my fuze in the first place was to rockbox it |
| 19:43:01 | fir3 | dito |
| 19:43:24 | gevaerts | It can be fixed. You just need some help from someone who's sufficiently familiar with it |
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| 19:44:19 | morsem | does anyone know what the number means? |
| 19:44:22 | McDougal | hopefully there is someone on this channel now that can help....i'd like to get this fixed asap, but just in case i also posted on anythingbutipod too |
| 19:45:05 | gevaerts | morsem: that's the current volume |
| 19:45:13 | funman | McDougal: try manual install, it's different from installation with the rockbox utility |
| 19:45:23 | morsem | ok. why does it disappear though? |
| 19:45:36 | McDougal | the thing is i already tried manually installing, and i still get the same results |
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| 19:45:58 | funman | morsem: isn't it replaced by an icon? |
| 19:46:03 | morsem | yes |
| 19:46:07 | gevaerts | morsem: the status bar shows the volume numerically while it changes, and it goes back to a graphical display after a few seconds. During boot, the volume is set from the config file, so it "changes" |
| 19:46:21 | funman | McDougal: did you get the 'firmware updating' message on disconnect? |
| 19:46:22 | morsem | ok. thanks |
| 19:46:41 | McDougal | no, i have never got a firmware updating message, either through manual or utility install |
| 19:47:08 | morsem | btw , you guys did a great job. My ipod never sounded this good. it even makes itunes-store music sound ok |
| 19:47:08 | gevaerts | morsem: you can confiugure this actually, and set it to always numeric, in Settings->Theme Settings->Status/Scrollbar->Volume Display |
| 19:47:13 | funman | then you did something bad, start again and read the instructions |
| 19:47:39 | McDougal | okay, maybe i should try going into recovery mode and reinstalling the original firmware as well |
| 19:48:07 | funman | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2 |
| 19:48:10 | McDougal | thanks |
| 19:48:37 | McDougal | how do i manually remove the rb bootloader and installation? |
| 19:48:55 | funman | read the link i gave you |
| 19:49:00 | McDougal | ok |
| 19:51:36 | morsem | the only not so great report I have to make about rockbox is that the ipodpatcher took a few tries (with errors) before it was able to update the bootloader |
| 19:53:04 | morsem | the error it gave the first few times was about the ipod having a bad boot block signature |
| 19:53:35 | McDougal | i know this is slightly off topic, but does anybody know how to get into recovery mode for a fuze v2? |
| 19:53:56 | morsem | anyways, thanks all. keep up the great job |
| 19:54:05 | funman | McDougal: is your fuze broken? |
| 19:54:16 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS has all the details |
| 19:54:31 | McDougal | thanks, and no my fuze isn't broken, i just got it today |
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| 19:55:27 | funman | then what are you trying to "recover" ? recovery mode is only to be used in extreme cases |
| 19:55:41 | Torne | Llorean: no, i've not gone through and worked out if there's a reason not to yet. or just done it. :) |
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| 19:59:05 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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| 20:02:38 | fir3 | alright i get the fw upgrade msg now |
| 20:02:57 | fir3 | woohoo it works :D |
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| 20:06:00 | fir3 | McDougal: i followed the instructions by funman, works fine now |
| 20:08:59 | McDougal | okay, i attempted to manually install the bootloader, but when i type in mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin" |
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| 20:09:12 | McDougal | oops i wasnt supposed to do that yet |
| 20:09:55 | McDougal | when i typed in "mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin" it gives me an error saying that it cannot open bootloader-fuze.sansa for reading |
| 20:10:29 | funman | you're reading the wrong instructions |
| 20:10:39 | * | fir3 stops playing snake |
| 20:10:41 | funman | this line is for fuzev1, you said you had a fuzev2 |
| 20:11:02 | McDougal | wait a sec |
| 20:13:05 | McDougal | okay i will try it all over again reading the right instructions |
| 20:13:34 | fir3 | McDougal: i can send you my patched fuzpa.bin if you want |
| 20:13:43 | McDougal | okay, thanks |
| 20:16:51 | fir3 | McDougal: might take some time my upload is quite slow :/ |
| 20:16:59 | McDougal | okay |
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| 20:19:42 | fir3 | McDougal: these are the commands i used http://pastebin.com/05ccR6V9 |
| 20:20:36 | McDougal | thanks, ill give it a try |
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| 20:26:14 | McDougal | fir3, those instructions are for linux, and i do not have linux. i use windows 7 64-bit, and i am confused on how to manually install the rockbox bootloader |
| 20:29:06 | bertrik | once you have a patched fuzpa.bin file, the bootloader installation is basically just a matter of copying it to the root directory of the fuze in MSC mode |
| 20:30:22 | bertrik | installing the rockbox main binary can then be done with rbutil, or simply by extracting the rockbox.zip file onto the root directory of the fuze in MSC mode |
| 20:30:45 | McDougal | the thing is i cant seem to patch it, i run "mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin" in cmd and it gives me an error saying it could not open for reading |
| 20:31:07 | McDougal | i already have the .rockbox folder on my device |
| 20:31:10 | funman | McDougal: why don't you read what i write? |
| 20:31:16 | funman | 20:10 < funman> this line is for fuzev1, you said you had a fuzev2 |
| 20:32:42 | McDougal | yes, when i type in "./mkamsboot fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa output.bin" it says "." is not a command |
| 20:33:14 | funman | McDougal: ok then read the instructions one more time, and this time make sure you read all the text |
| 20:33:26 | funman | you managed to use the instructions for the wrong player, on the wrong operating system |
| 20:33:38 | fir3 | McDougal: omit the ./ |
| 20:34:09 | fir3 | McDougal: mkamsboot.exe fuzpa.bin bootloader-fuzev2.sansa patched.bin |
| 20:34:13 | McDougal | okay |
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| 20:36:59 | McDougal | thanks for the help, i typed in those commands and it worked, i was just typing in the wrong commands lolz :D |
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| 20:41:29 | bluebrother | any thoughts on moving the html version of the GPL used in Rockbox Utility to /docs? |
| 20:42:16 | funman | pixelma: ondios have FM, and no hold button. but you can't use softhold in the FM screen, right? |
| 20:43:36 | pixelma | OndioFMs yes... there indeed is no soft hold in the radio screen but I never missed it although I use it in the WPS |
| 20:44:40 | pixelma | if I imagine correctly, the same button combo could work in the radio screen |
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| 20:48:38 | funman | if i read correctly it's just a matter of calling get_action with ALLOW_SOFTLOCK |
| 20:50:15 | CIA-81 | New commit by bluebrother (r27996): Remove duplicated license file. ... |
| 20:51:38 | pixelma | funman: don't you need to add an action to the fm screen context too? |
| 20:51:54 | pixelma | or something similar |
| 20:52:08 | CIA-81 | r27996 build result: All green |
| 20:52:39 | funman | hm right it's in WPS context, and the WPS context isn't using another context |
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| 20:53:43 | fir3 | the wikipedia plugin seems to work fine except that i cant scroll down articles (or dont know how) |
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| 20:54:30 | fir3 | ah got it :) |
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| 20:59:31 | fir3 | neat.. :D |
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| 21:11:23 | fir3 | in case someone needs a fuze v2 firmware with the wikipedia plugin: http://www.mediafire.com/?x4fwc159id0y0o7 |
| 21:13:29 | fir3 | wrong link, that's it http://www.mediafire.com/?k4ord8acefc2but |
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| 21:18:51 | ScorchedIcee | Hey, anything going on for the 160gb classic ipod?... really want to hotbox my 160gb... |
| 21:19:19 | ScorchedIcee | rockbox** |
| 21:21:23 | scorche | o_O |
| 21:22:23 | ScorchedIcee | odd typo there.... but ya, just rockboxed my old 4thgen 20gb |
| 21:22:23 | soap | The direct answer, ScorchedIcee, is that nobody seems all too interested in porting to the iPod 6G. It would be a hard port and there's been little (if any) direct work towards the goal. |
| 21:22:45 | ScorchedIcee | well.... what work would need to be done? :) |
| 21:24:00 | soap | start here, ScorchedIcee: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19622.0 |
| 21:24:18 | fir3 | what can i do when rockbox freezes on my fuze v2 ? |
| 21:24:36 | ScorchedIcee | I read that whole thread... :/ |
| 21:24:38 | funman | fir3: tell us how it froze, and keep pressing the power button to turn it off |
| 21:24:40 | n1s | fir3: try to reset |
| 21:25:23 | fir3 | ah now it turned off had to hold a little longer :) |
| 21:25:32 | soap | ScorchedIcee, then I don't understand your question. That thread, and the links which flow out from it are about the entirety of Rockbox's relationship with the iPod 6G. |
| 21:25:46 | fir3 | funman: i was opening a jpg image |
| 21:26:05 | ScorchedIcee | @soap: erm... maybe I missed a post hold on :S |
| 21:26:57 | fir3 | now i didn't play music and it opened |
| 21:28:44 | fir3 | correction: a png image :) |
| 21:28:48 | ScorchedIcee | @soap: has bruteforcing been tried? |
| 21:29:42 | fir3 | rockbox is great, thanks a lot :D |
| 21:29:52 | soap | ScorchedIcee, I'm getting the impression you haven't actually read the thread and the links in the thread. |
| 21:30:23 | ScorchedIcee | I don't understand a lot of it... but I have read it :) |
| 21:30:32 | fir3 | cya |
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| 21:31:00 | ScorchedIcee | I get that encryption is preventing the build... right? |
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| 21:34:38 | funman | ScorchedIcee: we don't know, don't ask us |
| 21:36:51 | ScorchedIcee | @funman: could you point me to somewhere where people would know? please? |
| 21:36:56 | funman | http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 21:39:08 | ScorchedIcee | ty |
| 21:42:10 | funman | http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57411 <- someone working on clip keymap, nice |
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| 21:46:25 | AlexP | As far as I am aware, there is an exploit for the classic (or some generations of it). |
| 21:46:42 | soap | yes, code has been executed on it. |
| 21:46:52 | AlexP | Someone *just* needs to do all the reverse engineering/programming etc. |
| 21:46:53 | Gatz851 | hey yall |
| 21:47:52 | Gatz851 | Hey i wondering about how would go about replace the usb dirver with a port of ps3groove |
| 21:48:29 | soap | Gatz85, is that the PS3 hack? |
| 21:48:40 | Gatz851 | yes |
| 21:48:46 | AlexP | This has been discussed - see the logs for the last couple of days |
| 21:48:57 | soap | This was discussed quite a bit yesterday (or perhaps the day before), check the IRC logs on rockbox.org |
| 21:49:00 | AlexP | In short, throw out the Rockbox stack and start again IR |
| 21:49:05 | Gatz851 | i know asked earlyer |
| 21:49:06 | AlexP | *IIRC |
| 21:49:22 | AlexP | Nothing has changed :) |
| 21:49:30 | soap | was there not also an issue with emulating the behavior of a hub? |
| 21:50:03 | Gatz851 | nnot sure was really early when i ask nand i walked away |
| 21:51:56 | soap | this channel is logged, so as AlexP said it's all in there. |
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| 21:52:55 | Gatz851 | thanks |
| 21:52:55 | Gatz851 | k thanks |
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| 22:07:18 | * | Dhraakellian saw an n900 reference in the commit log from a couple days ago |
| 22:07:38 | * | Dhraakellian somehow guesses that it's not related to RaaA |
| 22:08:44 | funman | it's not |
| 22:09:13 | Dhraakellian | that ever so brief moment of hope while skimming, though... |
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| 22:13:35 | likemindead | My Gigabeat MES60V just arrived. :D |
| 22:13:58 | likemindead | Any tips for installing Rockbox on this device? |
| 22:25:37 | AlexP | Read the manual |
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| 22:37:56 | ScorchedIcee | do all the sound settings affect the Line Out? |
| 22:37:59 | ScorchedIcee | (of an ipod) |
| 22:38:42 | Torne | most do, yes |
| 22:38:59 | Torne | not sure if the tone controls (bass/treble) do or not |
| 22:39:09 | Torne | and volume doesn't, obviously |
| 22:39:15 | ScorchedIcee | ya, figured that one... |
| 22:39:20 | Torne | but everything else is a software dsp effet |
| 22:40:08 | ScorchedIcee | to be honest, I kind of wish there was a seperate volume for the line out, like a gain for it... |
| 22:40:39 | soap | use the EQ precut |
| 22:41:16 | soap | But, really, the point of a line-out is to be...at line-level. |
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| 22:42:18 | ScorchedIcee | Would increasing the line out amplification be hazardous to a cars stereo system? |
| 22:42:25 | ScorchedIcee | (within reason) |
| 22:42:44 | Torne | er, it's already at line level; that's as high as it goes without distorting |
| 22:42:47 | soap | Likely not. Would likely cause audible distortion, though.' |
| 22:43:00 | Torne | line out is at 0dB |
| 22:43:55 | Torne | well ok that's true by definition |
| 22:44:02 | Torne | i mean line out is at the level that headphone out is when volume is set to 0db |
| 22:44:30 | ScorchedIcee | precut only is -xdb? |
| 22:44:38 | Torne | yes, hence "cut" |
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| 22:44:50 | ScorchedIcee | ... sorry somewhat new to this stuff :) |
| 22:44:57 | Torne | it's intended to create headroom to boost specific bands via the equaliser |
| 22:45:26 | Torne | anyway, the answer is no, you can't really make line out louder without introducing audible distortion |
| 22:45:32 | Torne | how are you connecting it to the car stereo? |
| 22:45:35 | soap | Oh, there's no positive gain available there? |
| 22:45:44 | soap | How about in the ReplayGain preamp stage? |
| 22:46:04 | Torne | soap: i think thats negative only as well, no? |
| 22:46:14 | ScorchedIcee | using a monster one... transmits on a radio station... really wish I a direct connection... |
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| 22:46:29 | Torne | can't you just turn the volume up on the car stereo? |
| 22:47:08 | ScorchedIcee | yes I can... but when it comes to my brothers car which has a garbage sound system, I can't get the volume loud enough :( |
| 22:47:46 | Torne | well, most music these days has no headroom, so any positive gain will make it clip or distort |
| 22:48:20 | Torne | at least on the loud parts, but lots of things also have no dynamic range any more so for those it would do it throughout ;) |
| 22:49:02 | funman | mc2739: the last patch on FS #11597 only gives you 30 minutes more runtime? |
| 22:49:05 | ScorchedIcee | See I just want to suck the best sound quality out of this thing... |
| 22:49:41 | Torne | well, nothing you do to increase the gain is going to increase the sound quality, i'm afraid |
| 22:49:45 | Torne | that's impossible ;) |
| 22:49:45 | soap | the DAP, ScorchedIcee, is already giving you the best you're going to get w/o changing a different part of the hardware chain. |
| 22:50:12 | soap | so consider the best sound quality successfully squeezed. |
| 22:50:23 | Torne | so yeah, either the car stereo in question is *really* sucky, or the FM transmitter thing is reducing the volume noticablly |
| 22:50:46 | ScorchedIcee | well with my dads car I can *almost* make my ears bleed :/ |
| 22:51:15 | Torne | then probably that stereo just sucks and doesn't handle the fm input very nicely :) |
| 22:51:25 | Torne | is it louder if you play a cd? :) |
| 22:52:28 | gevaerts | If it makes your ears bleed, why do you want it even louder? |
| 22:52:50 | ScorchedIcee | I want it louder in my brothers civic 03 with garbage stock sound system :P |
| 22:53:27 | ScorchedIcee | not in my dads car ^^ |
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| 22:55:20 | ScorchedIcee | If it wasn't for my 160gb ipods insane capacity, I would be getting something like a Cowon J3 |
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| 22:58:47 | bertrik | funman, is there a patch in fs #11597 that has essentially the same frequencies for PCLK/FCLK but with the different mechanism? |
| 22:59:19 | bertrik | the v3 patch, right? |
| 22:59:33 | funman | right, but FCLK is unused when unboosted |
| 22:59:55 | funman | so the v4 uses the lowest frequency possible (24MHz * 5 / 8 / 15) |
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| 23:00:05 | funman | and the patch i'm testing use 0 MHz by using PLLB as a source |
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| 23:04:57 | funman | s/15/16/ |
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| 23:31:00 | likemindead | Anyone know the normal battery capacity for a gigabeat S60 ? |
| 23:31:49 | Torne | yes, rockbox does |
| 23:32:01 | Torne | did you change the setting and now want to change it back? |
| 23:32:12 | Torne | if so just bring up the context menu on the setting and hit reset to default :) |
| 23:32:51 | likemindead | No, I left it at the default. Was wondering if I should change it. Thanks. |
| 23:33:05 | * | likemindead <3's Rockbox sooo much. :d |
| 23:35:44 | Torne | right. no, you shouldn't change it unless you replaced the battery |
| 23:36:35 | likemindead | Cool. Can I delete the non-Rockbox files and folders? I don't care to dual boot. Does Rockbox need the old Toshiba files? |
| 23:36:48 | likemindead | MediaLibrary.edb etc. |
| 23:36:55 | AlexP | maybe |
| 23:36:58 | AlexP | :) |
| 23:37:09 | likemindead | There's one called drmstore.dat that I really don't like seeing. ;-) |
| 23:37:13 | AlexP | On the big partition you can get rid of them |
| 23:37:18 | likemindead | Sweet. |
| 23:37:34 | likemindead | I'll save them somewhere, just in case. |
| 23:37:42 | AlexP | a good idea |
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