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| 01:26:21 | eclectic | System: Host sting Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Xfce Community Edition |
| 01:26:24 | eclectic | System: Host sting Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Xfce Community Edition |
| 01:26:48 | [Saint] | eclectic: Yo! ...errr, don't, please |
| 01:27:06 | eclectic | sorry! didn't mean to! |
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| 01:33:44 | eclectic | I've been running Rockbox since July on my v2 Sansa Fuze, and have become addicted to Doom. At some point Doom has started crashing whenever I try to enter "map 2" |
| 01:34:11 | eclectic | I have the error message Rockbox gives handy. |
| 01:34:30 | [Saint] | RAM, IIRC |
| 01:34:51 | [Saint] | not a lot that can be done about that, except find a wad with smaller maps |
| 01:35:12 | [Saint] | the V2 fuze has considerable less ram than the V1 |
| 01:35:35 | eclectic | but the next level was working fine for weeks? |
| 01:36:09 | [Saint] | Hmmm...different allocations of RAM elsewhere? pass. |
| 01:36:52 | [Saint] | I'm happy for someone to chime in and say "no, its this...", but I believe the issue is available RAm |
| 01:37:00 | [Saint] | *RAM |
| 01:38:53 | eclectic | I installed new versions of Rockbox, plus fonts and themes (that I don't really use). I wonder if all that gets loaded into ram, if so I could remove stuff. |
| 01:39:40 | [Saint] | as I understand it, it doesn't...but, again, happy to be corrected. |
| 01:41:50 | [Saint] | If DOOM is a critical function for you, roll back to a last known good version and then make a not of the behaviour on the forums, and/or the tracker. |
| 01:41:59 | [Saint] | *note |
| 01:42:48 | [Saint] | Doom is a bit of a burden for a lot of devs though, it sees very little development. |
| 01:42:54 | [Saint] | More of a novelty. |
| 01:43:27 | eclectic | I was wondering about that: my original Rockbox version was dated 7-10-10, but I have not figured out how to go back to that. |
| 01:43:43 | mulenmar | Wait, do the themes/fonts get unloaded when Doom is loaded? (I've never used it) |
| 01:44:03 | mulenmar | If not, and you're using a different theme/font, maybe it uses more memory than the old one? |
| 01:44:03 | [Saint] | mulenmar: I highly doubt that. |
| 01:44:18 | eclectic | I'm an odd case in that I've never gotten around to a game like Doom 'till Rockbox had it. |
| 01:44:26 | [Saint] | s/that/that they get unloaded/ |
| 01:45:14 | eclectic | I tried fonts and themes but I went back to cabbie for daily use. |
| 01:47:05 | eclectic | I tried to in stall Doom on the computer and it somehow destroyed X window system. |
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| 01:50:29 | eclectic | I've spent a good deal of time looking, but have not found instructions for reloading my original Rockbox version from July 10th |
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| 01:51:53 | mulenmar | eclectic: If you don't have the zipfile you downloaded still, you'll have to build it from SVN. |
| 01:52:04 | eclectic | there is a file on my Fuze called rockbox.sansa dated 7-10-10; I wonder if that is the backup file from that version. |
| 01:53:20 | eclectic | oh, yeah I'm sure I have the orginal zip file. Is it necessary to uninstall Rockbox first, or just install over the current version? |
| 01:53:36 | [Saint] | just extract overtop |
| 01:54:08 | eclectic | cool. I'll try putting everything back to how it first was. And let you all know. |
| 01:54:28 | eclectic | Thanks to you all for all your work, and your suggestions!! |
| 01:55:10 | eclectic | I LOVE Rockbox on my Fuze! Waited two years till I heard it was ready. |
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| 02:09:59 | alexbobP | I just got a sansa fuze, and it seems to have the latest firmware (2.3.33A) |
| 02:10:11 | alexbobP | is there still any way to load the rockbox bootloader? |
| 02:10:18 | alexbobP | or will I have to wait for another sansa firmware to come out? |
| 02:10:44 | [Saint] | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html |
| 02:10:55 | [Saint] | *should cover installation: ^ |
| 02:16:18 | alexbobP | [Saint]: ooh, thanks |
| 02:16:23 | alexbobP | I had tried the auto installer and it didn't work |
| 02:16:32 | alexbobP | but now I have rockbox running :D |
| 02:16:34 | alexbobP | awesome! |
| 02:16:47 | JdGordon| | IIRC there is an issue trying to install onto the latest OF version, you might have to do it manually |
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| 02:29:38 | McDougal | hello again |
| 02:29:56 | McDougal | i have another problem |
| 02:30:31 | McDougal | my problem is with album art |
| 02:30:55 | [Saint] | McDougal: Well, since we're no psychic ;) |
| 02:31:05 | [Saint] | *not |
| 02:31:19 | McDougal | i play a song or album, the album art shows on the now playing screen, but whenever i go to anywhere else (menu, etc.) and then go back to the now playing screen, the album art disappears |
| 02:31:33 | McDougal | this happens with every theme except cabbiev2 |
| 02:31:47 | [Saint] | McDougal: likely the theme doesn't display the AA in its own viewport. |
| 02:31:51 | [Saint] | which theme is this? |
| 02:32:06 | [Saint] | theme(s) |
| 02:32:07 | McDougal | the theme I use most often is RED, and amarok |
| 02:32:09 | * | JdGordon| really doesnt like that answer |
| 02:32:25 | JdGordon| | there is absolutly no reason for it to work on first go but not after coming back from menus |
| 02:32:44 | McDougal | okay |
| 02:32:56 | [Saint] | JdGordon1: No, I agree...but, it happens. |
| 02:33:15 | McDougal | so is there a fix for a fuze v2 using the current build? |
| 02:33:18 | JdGordon| | is there a bug for this? |
| 02:33:23 | [Saint] | I've fixed the same thing many a time by "viewportifying" the AA/wps elements |
| 02:33:40 | McDougal | how do you do that |
| 02:33:59 | * | JdGordon| should probably look into this one |
| 02:34:02 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Not that I know of, I thought that the new parser basically meant "if it isn't in ts own viewport...expect amusing hillarity" |
| 02:34:14 | JdGordon| | no :) |
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| 02:35:12 | [Saint] | wll, it seems to ;) |
| 02:35:12 | [Saint] | *well. |
| 02:35:12 | * | JdGordon| is really a joker IRL |
| 02:35:12 | McDougal | so how did you guys solve this problem |
| 02:35:12 | [Saint] | seems to stack up with cabbiev2 working, also. |
| 02:35:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 02:35:12 | [Saint] | McDougal: Updating the theme to draw theme elements correctly. |
| 02:35:27 | McDougal | okay, how do i do that (im new to this stuff) |
| 02:36:35 | [Saint] | probably best to attempt to contact the theme author, inthat case. |
| 02:36:35 | [Saint] | *author(s) |
| 02:36:35 | McDougal | okay.... |
| 02:36:35 | [Saint] | It is their responsibility, really...but you can still fix it yourself. |
| 02:36:35 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:36:35 | * | [Saint] digs up the wiki links |
| 02:36:55 | McDougal | well if you tell me how i can fix it, i would be glad to do it myself |
| 02:37:20 | JdGordon| | put %V(0,0,-,-,1) above the line with %Cd and it should maybe work |
| 02:37:31 | McDougal | okay, i'll try that |
| 02:37:57 | [Saint] | the AA needs to be drawn in its own viewport, and not in the "default (fullscreen) viewport" if other viewports are used. |
| 02:38:32 | [Saint] | JdGordon|'s solution may work, but, could cause interesting issues with overlapping viewports and updating |
| 02:38:41 | McDougal | wait a sec i dont get it, what do i use to put the V%(0, 0, -, -, 1) above the line with %Cd? |
| 02:38:55 | [Saint] | any text editor |
| 02:39:06 | McDougal | okay, so what file do i open with notepad? |
| 02:39:26 | [Saint] | <themename>.wps |
| 02:39:35 | McDougal | okay, thanks |
| 02:44:36 | krabador | 'night people, i've no hope to find an old release of the sansa bootloader? |
| 02:44:41 | McDougal | i will do this later and report back when i can with the results |
| 02:44:43 | [Saint] | krabador: Not without compiling your own...no. |
| 02:45:31 | krabador | [Saint], i installed subversion, and rapidsvn, on ubuntu linux |
| 02:46:20 | krabador | i would download only bootloader sources, but in rapidsvn, i need user and password to scrool the svn |
| 02:47:04 | krabador | it's a little bit annoying to download all rockbox sources, only for the bootloader |
| 02:47:16 | [Saint] | it will *really* improve your situation learning to compile your own builds. |
| 02:47:52 | [Saint] | krabador: I've heard you ask for older builds several times also, though...so, it would come in handy for you evidently. |
| 02:48:20 | krabador | [Saint], i only need an older version of sansa bootloader |
| 02:48:44 | krabador | i've some problem with the latest |
| 02:49:01 | [Saint] | wait..the actual Sansa bootloader, or, the RB sansa bootloader for your port? |
| 02:49:07 | [Saint] | (big difference) |
| 02:49:48 | krabador | [Saint], the bootloader i must insert in the OF, for the dual boot |
| 02:50:16 | [Saint] | Right, you'll need to download the RB source.' |
| 02:50:38 | [Saint] | cherrypicking the source to get all the relevant code will be a royal pain in the ass. |
| 02:50:48 | [Saint] | best to just grab it all. |
| 02:50:50 | krabador | this http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/fuze/bootloader-fuze.sansa |
| 02:50:55 | krabador | but not the latest |
| 02:51:32 | [Saint] | Yeah, no real choice other than building it yourself. |
| 02:51:32 | krabador | oh, my god.... |
| 02:51:56 | krabador | you rockbox developers are a little bit bondage... |
| 02:52:14 | [Saint] | a: I'm not a developer...and b: what!?! |
| 02:52:44 | [Saint] | I'm simply telling you what you'll have to do, if that makes me "bondage", then so be it. |
| 02:53:12 | krabador | what's the problem to take previous versions in dowload folder, it's stuff of 90k :((((ù |
| 02:53:53 | [Saint] | why, when its literally childs play to set up a dev environment and built it yourself? |
| 02:54:00 | [Saint] | why lose the bandwidth? |
| 02:54:28 | mulenmar | Unfortunately krabador, it's the easiest way to get it and build it. I wish I had an archived version of the Subversion repo, but I don't. |
| 02:54:59 | krabador | i'll cut my veins.... |
| 02:55:00 | krabador | :) |
| 02:55:14 | mulenmar | That won't help. >_> |
| 02:55:16 | [Saint] | Your loss. |
| 02:55:41 | mulenmar | If you want to donate blood, the American Red Cross is always having blood drives. ;~) |
| 02:55:53 | JdGordon| | PATETS! |
| 02:56:29 | mulenmar | JdGordon|: a: Offtopic b: Misspelled. c: That level of funny is patented and d: What? |
| 02:56:51 | [Saint] | krabador: You have unix, you have SVN, all you need to do is download the source...once, ever. and you can build all the bootloaders and builds your heart desires. |
| 02:56:57 | [Saint] | why is that so hard, really? |
| 02:57:27 | mulenmar | This brings up an idea I had, but dismissed because of the possible complexity: build scripts that allow only building PARTS of Rockbox (to not build some of the games, codecs, et cetra). |
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| 02:57:35 | krabador | (i haven't enough space to download all RB surces.....) (don't shoot me...) |
| 02:58:23 | [Saint] | if you don't have the space to DL ~200MB of sources, your system has bigger problems to worry about. |
| 02:58:49 | JdGordon| | mulenmar: like make menuconfig in the linux kernel? |
| 02:59:34 | [Saint] | mulenmar: I think it is generally excepted that if you can build RB, you're not far away from figuring that out yourself. |
| 02:59:48 | mulenmar | JdGordon|: Yes −− like I said, I dismissed it thinking it would be too complicated. |
| 02:59:51 | [Saint] | but, it's not like the scripts would take up any space...so, plausible. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:06 | [Saint] | bah, not complicated at all. |
| 03:00:13 | [Saint] | just effort. |
| 03:00:18 | JdGordon| | lots of effort |
| 03:00:20 | mulenmar | krabador: After running make clean in the build directory, the rockbox tree was 377MB. |
| 03:00:38 | krabador | great.... |
| 03:00:39 | JdGordon| | git it about half that iirc |
| 03:00:43 | mulenmar | krabador: Depending on if you have the RAM, you could do the work in a ramdisk, maybe? |
| 03:01:03 | krabador | yes, not bad |
| 03:01:08 | mulenmar | krabador: Or you buy/borrow a USB flash drive. |
| 03:01:18 | * | [Saint] simply can't imagine a system with less than ~500mb free space total. |
| 03:01:21 | mulenmar | Then it's just the download. |
| 03:01:35 | krabador | mulenmar, i'm formatting one |
| 03:01:37 | [Saint] | which is a LOT less traffic than ~377MB |
| 03:01:45 | [Saint] | (the DL) |
| 03:01:48 | * | mulenmar conjures up his first computer, an IBM AT with a 40MB hard drive, and gives it to [Saint] |
| 03:02:06 | [Saint] | mulenmar: A system capable of RB development |
| 03:02:20 | alexbobP | [Saint]: <3 |
| 03:02:27 | * | alexbobP has a rockbox mp3 player now |
| 03:02:47 | alexbobP | yesterday I broke my mp3 player, it was a gigaware... |
| 03:02:56 | alexbobP | one of those weird brands hackers don't even know about |
| 03:02:59 | [Saint] | \o/ ...don't know what I did, but, happy to take the credit. |
| 03:03:02 | * | mulenmar conjures up his fourth computer, which had a Cyrix M-II (?) 120MHz cpu and a 1.2GB hard drive, and gives it to [Saint] |
| 03:03:14 | alexbobP | so I bougt a sansa fuze, since I had had one in the past but lost it before rockbox actually came out for it XD |
| 03:03:17 | alexbobP | now I am a happy camper |
| 03:03:26 | alexbobP | [Saint]: ou linked me to the instructions :P |
| 03:03:32 | alexbobP | [Saint]: all I had done before that was try the RockboxUtility |
| 03:03:39 | alexbobP | the manual install worked great |
| 03:03:48 | [Saint] | mulenmar: with a stripped *nix system, and the sources...that's still have more than ~500MB free :P |
| 03:03:48 | mulenmar | Anyway, good luck krabador. The wiki is very helpful on the whole checkout/build toolchain/configure/build process. |
| 03:04:18 | [Saint] | Dl source, run one script...wait...build. |
| 03:04:19 | mulenmar | [Saint] I know. It had Windows 98 and ~300MB free before I stripped it down. #98lite_rocks |
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| 03:18:47 | krabador | ok, i downloaded all the stuff in svn |
| 03:21:13 | McDougal | okay, i havent done it yet, but i can confirm that it is a theme problem. im too tired to look through all that code and do it tonight (I know, I know, so LAZY :D), but I will do it when I can. In the meantime, I found myself a new theme Darkness which works perfectly |
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| 03:22:56 | krabador | so, what part of sources i must look, to find bootloader sources? |
| 03:25:28 | krabador | i must compile sansa_as3525.c ? |
| 03:26:25 | mulenmar | HEY WAIT A SECOND −− krabador, did you look at http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansaclip by any chance? |
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| 03:27:24 | krabador | mulenmar, no... |
| 03:27:44 | mulenmar | I don't know if the bootloader stuff is included in those archived builds (that I didn't know existed), since I'm a Nano2G user, but maybe that and the manual will help? |
| 03:29:11 | krabador | in rockbox svn folder, i've a /bootloader/ folder, full of sources |
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| 03:33:25 | krabador | [Saint], i got all, now, can you help me to understand how can i obtain a new/old bootloader-fuze.sansa? |
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| 03:35:43 | eclectic | well, Doom still crashes instead of loading "map 2" with my original Rockbox firmware from July. |
| 03:37:41 | JdGordon| | so... anyone remember that feautre request which was bassically "jump to the next letter in the filebrowser"? |
| 03:38:52 | JdGordon| | well, it turns out to be trivially simple and I'm tihnking about making it an option to replace the current paged scrolling behaviour |
| 03:39:26 | eclectic | and, I remembered another thing that changed. I got a new Fuze since I started with Rockbox. Could Sansa have reduced the RAM on a new Fuze from one bought last year?? |
| 03:39:47 | eclectic | both v2. |
| 03:41:10 | [Saint] | eclectic: Nope. |
| 03:41:24 | [Saint] | I mean they could have, but, didn't...afaik |
| 03:42:23 | eclectic | I didn't think so. But, after many searches, I cannot find any clue online about actual Fuze CPU speed or RAM size. |
| 03:42:47 | [Saint] | v2 == 32 RAM iirc, v2 == 4 |
| 03:42:53 | [Saint] | I *think* |
| 03:43:05 | [Saint] | so...big difference. |
| 03:43:14 | [Saint] | Guess they realised they didn't need it. |
| 03:43:51 | [Saint] | V2 is either 4 or 8 (can't remember, sorry...) but it is definitely substantially less than the V1 |
| 03:44:01 | eclectic | so, Buffer in Rockbox Info app means RAM, then? |
| 03:44:21 | [Saint] | what are you looking at? |
| 03:44:54 | [Saint] | If you're looking at what I think, that's available skin buffer |
| 03:44:57 | eclectic | rockbox menu: system>rockbox info |
| 03:44:59 | [Saint] | used/available |
| 03:45:17 | [Saint] | skin buffer...I believe, don't think that lists RAM |
| 03:45:50 | [Saint] | krabador: You were handed http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling earlier |
| 03:45:54 | [Saint] | that is all you need. |
| 03:46:11 | eclectic | it says Buffer: 5.03 MB, and skin RAM usage: 221/396 KB |
| 03:46:27 | [Saint] | run configure, select (B) for bootloader, run make...done |
| 03:46:40 | krabador | [Saint], yes, but how obtain perfectly bootloader-fuze.sansa |
| 03:47:04 | krabador | like the one in download.rockbox.org |
| 03:47:10 | [Saint] | run configure, select (B) for bootloader, run make...done |
| 03:47:31 | krabador | ok |
| 03:47:34 | mulenmar | *facepalms* I should've remembered that. |
| 03:47:50 | [Saint] | eclectic: That is audiobuffer, I _think_ |
| 03:48:17 | [Saint] | I'm not sure you can view all available RAM anywhere...but, could be wrong. |
| 03:48:18 | eclectic | ok, thanks |
| 03:50:24 | eclectic | so, why I ran Freedoom, map 2 fine in July and then it always crashes, remains a strange mystery. :( |
| 03:50:28 | krabador | [Saint], excuse me a thing, i downloaded the last revision , the 28001, if i compile something inside it , i'll compile the bootloader as the newest |
| 03:50:40 | krabador | not? |
| 03:54:48 | [Saint] | yes. |
| 03:56:06 | [Saint] | "svn up -r XXXXX" is the command you want, if I remember. |
| 03:56:22 | [Saint] | where XXXXX is the build revision you want. |
| 03:56:39 | [Saint] | I use a script for this, perhaps an SVN expert will be able to confirm this. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:08 | krabador | "The bootloader only changes rarely" tells the fuze manual, i need only one before the 26 june |
| 04:00:17 | krabador | or many times before |
| 04:00:45 | krabador | *july |
| 04:01:29 | [Saint] | so...use the commit logs/svn/whatever to find the revision you want...then use "svn up -r XXXXX" where XXXXX == revision number |
| 04:01:37 | | Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) |
| 04:01:56 | [Saint] | to checkout that revision, and, build it. |
| 04:02:32 | funman | krabador: if you want to use OF USB just press the left key to boot OF, no need to bother with building/upgrading/whatever |
| 04:03:14 | [Saint] | funman: he wants an older RB bootloader |
| 04:03:31 | funman | why, i wonder |
| 04:03:35 | JdGordon| | Buffer on the info screen is the audio buffer, it is also the plugins maximum buffer space |
| 04:03:39 | [Saint] | "unstable USB" |
| 04:03:54 | [Saint] | funman: ^ |
| 04:04:12 | funman | don't let him shoot himself in the foot, no need to mess with the bootloaders to use OF usb |
| 04:04:44 | [Saint] | I'm letting him do what he wants to do...he's convinced the bootloader is the problem. |
| 04:04:46 | [Saint] | so..... |
| 04:05:34 | [Saint] | apparently USB went to hell with a bootloader upgrade, and, since I can't confirm or deny this... |
| 04:06:20 | funman | it's not linked, the bootloader 'bootloads' and doesn't affect rockbox |
| 04:06:59 | krabador | funman, [Saint], no, i discovered that the problem isn't the bootloader, but if i plug , when the fuze is off, on a pc with ubuntu or other linux distro, rockbox runs and is unstable |
| 04:07:11 | funman | krabador: press the left key then |
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| 04:08:13 | [Saint] | ah, that update would have been nice. |
| 04:08:36 | [Saint] | but, I guess you want the behaviour of the older bootloader, as in, boot OF on USB plug? |
| 04:09:06 | funman | this has nothing to do with the bootloader, you need mkamsboot 1.3 to boot OF on USB plug |
| 04:09:26 | | Join webguest412 [0] (~cf66404a@giant.haxx.se) |
| 04:10:53 | webguest412 | is there an irc channel for the general user population? |
| 04:11:04 | webguest412 | rockbox user population that is |
| 04:11:15 | krabador | funman, oh my god... |
| 04:11:33 | krabador | funman, this is what i wanted to know... |
| 04:11:33 | [Saint] | webguest412: as in? |
| 04:11:49 | [Saint] | webguest412: to talk about what, I mean? |
| 04:12:07 | funman | krabador: next time read the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-280003.1.3 |
| 04:12:16 | webguest412 | well I just installed it and I'm going through the manual and there is some stuff I'm not getting |
| 04:12:30 | [Saint] | webguest412: this is the place, then. |
| 04:12:56 | krabador | funman, yes , i know how run the OF, but i don't wanted run at plug |
| 04:13:55 | krabador | in the normal use of the reader, for now, with linux systems, would be annoying. |
| 04:14:07 | webguest412 | Saint: OK. btw, I'm the same guy who had been pestering you for a few nights now cause I had trouble installing on my ipod 5.5g 80gb |
| 04:14:48 | [Saint] | webguest412: Don't remember, sorry...what is bothering you? |
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| 04:16:40 | krabador | btw, it will be fixed soon , the usb plug on linux systems? |
| 04:16:56 | funman | it works fine for me so no |
| 04:17:03 | webguest412 | section 3.3 of the manual says "The player can be charged over USB without connecting to your computer by holding Menu while plugging in." But that is the same thing section 3.1.3 as a way of getting the ipod to boot back into the native os. That is in fact what happens. So how do I plug in for a charge without connecting (mounting I'm assuming this means) |
| 04:18:17 | [Saint] | webguest412: not quite. |
| 04:18:43 | [Saint] | when the player is booted into RB, hold menu, and plug USB and it will only charge, not mount. |
| 04:18:55 | [Saint] | if the player if OFF holding menu to boot will boot the OF |
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| 04:19:42 | krabador | funman, when i plug, on linux , at rockbox on, usb mode are unstable, if i plug at rockbox off, are unstable too, and ubuntu 10.04, 9.10, try to mount it at loop |
| 04:19:55 | [Saint] | *if the player IS off, rather |
| 04:20:05 | [Saint] | webguest412: ^ |
| 04:20:18 | krabador | funman, i can post some .log for it? |
| 04:20:24 | [Saint] | so, two different results, same key, different circumstances |
| 04:20:25 | funman | krabador: first start by telling us what's on the screen |
| 04:20:36 | webguest412 | saint: so then booting to RB, then holdidng menu whilst plugging the usb cable into the bottom, I could then turn it off and it would be charging unmounted? |
| 04:20:59 | [Saint] | no, you cannot turn it off when charging |
| 04:21:09 | webguest412 | gotcha |
| 04:21:20 | [Saint] | however, RB uses sane charging for iPod now...so, it will *actually* charge |
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| 04:21:37 | krabador | funman, i've the screen of usbmode, later 2-3 second it flip with rockbox menu |
| 04:21:51 | [Saint] | 3.6 had a risk of running the battery flat, even while charging for HDD iPods |
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| 04:23:09 | [Saint] | webguest412: Give it a go while you're here (booting the OF, and charging without mounting) while you're still here. |
| 04:23:13 | krabador | funman, then the system try to mount it |
| 04:23:23 | krabador | but without success |
| 04:23:34 | funman | what is written on the fuze screen |
| 04:24:17 | krabador | funman, i've usb mode screen, flipping with rockbox menu |
| 04:24:46 | webguest412 | cool, so I can play doom and charge at the same time! |
| 04:24:51 | funman | ok, can you paste the output of dmesg on www.pastie.org ? |
| 04:24:53 | krabador | funman, if i've multimedia mode |
| 04:25:20 | krabador | iit works some seconds, later stops |
| 04:25:24 | [Saint] | webguest412: yep. |
| 04:25:33 | krabador | then flip the screen at rockbox menuù |
| 04:26:00 | krabador | funman, i haven't this in win7 home premium on a laptop |
| 04:26:14 | funman | win7 mounts ok ? |
| 04:26:22 | krabador | funman, yes |
| 04:26:33 | krabador | all right, i can use all key modes |
| 04:26:45 | krabador | and mounts ok |
| 04:27:17 | funman | ok, then paste the dmesg output of linux box (on www.pastie.org) |
| 04:33:07 | [Saint] | has anyone every brought up "why on earth is there three places you can log in on the RB main page?"? |
| 04:33:19 | krabador | funman, it's very long |
| 04:33:52 | krabador | funman, do you want something properly? |
| 04:33:53 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: and 2 on the forums |
| 04:34:09 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Any idea why? |
| 04:34:18 | [Saint] | it seems excessive, and confusing. |
| 04:34:29 | JdGordon| | because people are lazy |
| 04:34:39 | [Saint] | what happened with new.rockbox.org for that matter I wonder...? |
| 04:34:50 | [Saint] | that looks *awesome*. |
| 04:34:51 | funman | krabador: the last lines, please put them on pastie.org , and then paste the link here |
| 04:35:30 | JdGordon| | didnt it get in trouble with css? |
| 04:35:42 | JdGordon| | as in it became a fucking nightmare or something? |
| 04:35:49 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: pass. |
| 04:36:30 | [Saint] | I think the argument about the .svg pictures became too much, and, it fell in the "abandoned" hole |
| 04:36:33 | [Saint] | that was my impression, anyway. |
| 04:37:00 | krabador | funman, http://pastie.org/1140722 |
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| 04:37:31 | funman | krabador: no sign of an USB connection |
| 04:37:55 | [Saint] | mulenmar: do you use pictureflow? |
| 04:38:08 | [Saint] | or, could you for the purposes of testing something? |
| 04:38:53 | krabador | funman, http://pastie.org/1140723 |
| 04:39:19 | funman | still no sign of an USB connection |
| 04:40:24 | [Saint] | mulenmar: If you could test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11602?project=1&show_task=&order=dateopened&sort=desc with the patched build, and against vanilla SVN...I'd appreciate it. |
| 04:40:40 | [Saint] | (with pictureflow, while playing audio) |
| 04:43:24 | krabador | fun but now i'm using it... |
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| 04:49:45 | [Saint] | wow, lol...I just discovered someone else did backlight brightness in FS #11546 the same way as I did in FS #11578 so either I did it correctly, or there is only one way of doing it and it's a kludge, or we're both sucky coders linked inexplicably in some fashion. |
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| 04:54:01 | funman | clipv1 with pclk/unboosted fclk @ 31MHz gives 1 more hour runtime |
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| 04:57:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:57:53 | mulenmar | [Saint] I'm running batterybench right now as part of testing how much of an effect the lcd sleep patch has on power usage, but I'm putting it on the to-do list. |
| 04:58:36 | mulenmar | [Saint]: I'll do it right after this first drain finishes, though. |
| 05:00 |
| 05:09:40 | [Saint] | liar: I have noticed that your backlight patch has a really bad effect on the bootloader splash screen |
| 05:11:00 | [Saint] | there is a veery visible *blip* when switching from the bootloader to the main menu, where it used to display my custom bootsplash, and now flashes a white, garbled screen for a *very* brief, yet visible period. |
| 05:21:10 | [Saint] | funman: pictureflow is still *very* bugged on Nano2g |
| 05:27:06 | [Saint] | funmanL loading pictureflow from the .wps with hotkey (btw, should that even work if "pictureflow integration" == off?) 4 out of five times it decides to rebuild the albumart cache, and 9 out of ten times it cannot find any files to load. |
| 05:27:39 | funman | i don't know pictureflow |
| 05:28:06 | [Saint] | after it loads, trying to exit the plugin causes "undefined instruction", or, failing that stops playback and playback cannot be reatarted. |
| 05:28:31 | funman | where's the undefined instruction in the .map ? |
| 05:28:47 | [Saint] | it is still "playing", but, cannot be stopped/reatarted, the progressbar doesn't move at all (nor elapsed time) and there is no audio. |
| 05:29:00 | [Saint] | funman: it isn't in the map, at all. |
| 05:29:17 | [Saint] | I asked you about it/mentioned it to you as you were the last to touch pictureflow |
| 05:30:57 | [Saint] | Hmmm...interesting, after playback "stops" the player needs to be reset, as there is no button response even though the play/pause icon changes....it requires a hard reset to exit it. |
| 05:31:09 | funman | do you have a sansa AMS to reproduce the bug? |
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| 05:31:13 | [Saint] | And the playlist control file gets corrupted. |
| 05:31:25 | [Saint] | funman: sorry, no Sansa here. |
| 05:32:21 | funman | btw i didn't touch pictureflow, only the code where pictureflow returned |
| 05:32:26 | [Saint] | does this help? I get a "divide by zero" error if I manage to open a album from pictureflow. |
| 05:32:32 | [Saint] | Aha. |
| 05:32:51 | funman | if you can find where in the .map / .c the divide by zero is, sure |
| 05:32:55 | [Saint] | I'll check the address the divide by zero gives in the map now |
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| 05:34:51 | [Saint] | Hmmm...what should I be looking for? the address the divide by zero gives is *completely* different to anything in the .map file |
| 05:35:26 | [Saint] | all I see in the .map is "0xXXXXXXXXXXXX" but I have 09F83C78" |
| 05:35:50 | JdGordon| | too many X's |
| 05:35:54 | JdGordon| | or too few |
| 05:36:04 | [Saint] | JdGordon1: yeah...you get the idea though.. |
| 05:36:18 | [Saint] | the address the error gives is completely different. |
| 05:36:30 | [Saint] | no "0x<blah>" at all. |
| 05:36:47 | [Saint] | I can't find anything like it in the map...not even close. |
| 05:42:00 | JdGordon| | well that probably means its done a jump to nonesense and thinks it is at code |
| 05:42:30 | mulenmar | Meh, forget the battery benchmark, I messed it up. I'm going to test the vanilla Pictureflow and patched Pictureflow. |
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| 05:44:11 | mulenmar | I don't need to revert anything first, right? I don't have any other patches against pictureflow.c |
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| 05:45:18 | [Saint] | correct |
| 05:49:47 | [Saint] | mulenmar: I'm also interested to see if you can reproduce "skipping tracks *really* fast causes 'undefined instruction' error" |
| 05:50:50 | mulenmar | [Saint] Let me get the album art converted to a size that actually works, first. 8~/ |
| 05:51:05 | JdGordon| | aa gets resized on load |
| 05:51:09 | [Saint] | mulenmar: that shouldn't necessary...at all. |
| 05:51:50 | [Saint] | it's pointless having it larger than the vertical height of the screen...but, it *could* be 1000x1000 |
| 05:52:31 | mulenmar | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt seems to indicate, at least in the bash script, that the thumbnails should be 130x130 |
| 05:52:47 | [Saint] | well, if it does...its BS |
| 05:53:01 | [Saint] | AA can be any arbitrary size |
| 05:53:23 | mulenmar | The album art (in the Diva Mirage albums I'm using for testing) are 251x251 |
| 05:53:27 | JdGordon| | that was obviously written when it was needed :) |
| 05:53:30 | [Saint] | both pictureflow and thw .wps/.sbs resize it as needed. |
| 05:53:33 | mulenmar | Wait, never mind, they're the WRONG FORMAT |
| 05:53:38 | mulenmar | JPEG instead of BMP |
| 05:53:43 | mulenmar | *facepalm* |
| 05:53:43 | JdGordon| | jpg is fine |
| 05:53:47 | [Saint] | that isn't wrong, either |
| 05:53:48 | JdGordon| | folder.jpg |
| 05:54:14 | [Saint] | so...shit knows what you're doing wrong. |
| 05:54:26 | [Saint] | jpg is supported for AA since ages ago. |
| 05:54:44 | JdGordon| | PF needs the database initialised |
| 05:54:55 | [Saint] | it dies indeed. |
| 05:54:58 | [Saint] | *does |
| 05:54:59 | mulenmar | Well then the wiki page needs a MASSIVE overhaul. |
| 05:55:09 | [Saint] | mulenmar: it's a wiki ;) |
| 05:55:15 | mulenmar | And I did initialize the database and reboot. |
| 05:55:35 | mulenmar | I know I've had cover art working before, it's just not a feature I use. (Too much space) |
| 05:55:37 | [Saint] | you shouldn't need to reboot, to commit the DB either |
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| 05:55:54 | [Saint] | btw...AA takes *very* little space. |
| 05:55:59 | mulenmar | Well the Database entry didn |
| 05:56:20 | mulenmar | 't work −− it said to reboot |
| 05:56:25 | [Saint] | well, it takes very little space if you have it in a sane format/size |
| 05:56:49 | [Saint] | mulenmar: depends on your settings...it should init/commit in one step if it can. |
| 05:56:55 | [Saint] | I forget what governs that. |
| 05:57:38 | [Saint] | mulenmar: for my Nanos, I have my AA at 100px, and, it takes up very little space. |
| 05:57:55 | [Saint] | unless you have "per track" AA, which, is pointless. |
| 05:58:10 | [Saint] | you only need one "folder.jpg" in the album dir |
| 05:59:09 | [Saint] | mulenmar: you shouldn't technically need any AA present for this...anyway |
| 05:59:18 | [Saint] | it will simply show the default image. |
| 05:59:28 | [Saint] | It should still be reproducable with that. |
| 06:00 |
| 06:01:59 | mulenmar | Well, Pictureflow only displays the cover art for the one cover I converted to be "cover.bmp" |
| 06:02:19 | mulenmar | And that's after I forced it to reload its cache |
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| 06:03:04 | mulenmar | (Resize Covers -> Yes −− which is default it seems, then exit the plugin and then run it again.) |
| 06:03:07 | funman | pamaury: http://pastie.org/1140803 <- i added a (triggered) assertion of linux |
| 06:03:21 | [Saint] | mulenmar: you're doing something wrong with your AA, then. |
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| 06:03:31 | mulenmar | AA = album art? |
| 06:03:32 | [Saint] | what, I have no idea...but, something. |
| 06:03:40 | [Saint] | yes. AA == album art. |
| 06:03:47 | [Saint] | does it show in the .wps? |
| 06:04:33 | mulenmar | Yes, ONLY for the one I renamed and converted to bmp, though. |
| 06:04:59 | mulenmar | I'll test whether it's because of the conversion or just renaming −− give me a minute |
| 06:05:01 | [Saint] | Hmmmmm....I cannot use text_editor either, perhaps I have disk corruption, or this build is *really* fucked. |
| 06:05:04 | JdGordon| | are your jpgs umm.... thingamy |
| 06:05:12 | JdGordon| | not interlaced... |
| 06:05:14 | JdGordon| | umm... |
| 06:05:52 | * | [Saint] waits patiently to find what "thingamy" is/ |
| 06:05:53 | JdGordon| | there is a JPG feature which isnt supported, which I cant remember right now |
| 06:05:55 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: ? |
| 06:06:38 | mulenmar | AHHA! |
| 06:06:55 | [Saint] | mulenmar: what? |
| 06:06:55 | mulenmar | It's not the JPEG vs bitmap thing, you were right. |
| 06:07:02 | mulenmar | It's the NAME of the FILE. |
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| 06:07:19 | [Saint] | indeed it is...well, depending on what the name *is* |
| 06:07:33 | [Saint] | what *is* the naming convention? |
| 06:08:02 | JdGordon| | folder.jpg |
| 06:08:09 | mulenmar | In the Diva Mirage album "My Crazy Universe" I downloaded from Jamendo, the name is "[cover] Diva_Mirage - My Crazy Universe.jpg" |
| 06:08:26 | mulenmar | Too long/can't handle brackets? |
| 06:08:29 | [Saint] | I know that, well, that's only one of many...I meant "what is mulenmar using" ;) |
| 06:08:53 | mulenmar | That's what it is downloaded direct from Jamendo. |
| 06:08:53 | [Saint] | mulenmar: completely wrong naming convention. |
| 06:09:04 | [Saint] | see the manual, under "advanced topics" IIRC |
| 06:09:08 | JdGordon| | mulenmar: there are half dozen specific formats which it searches for, none are like that. |
| 06:09:20 | JdGordon| | it is always best to just name them folder.jpg in the current folder |
| 06:09:33 | [Saint] | mulenmar: Jamendo hane nothing to do with RB, though. |
| 06:09:49 | [Saint] | assuming the same naming convention will work...is, odd. |
| 06:10:14 | [Saint] | <exact_file_name>.jpg works |
| 06:10:24 | mulenmar | Maybe it's the brackets? |
| 06:10:31 | mulenmar | [ ] |
| 06:10:39 | mulenmar | They aren't escaped, after all. |
| 06:10:52 | mulenmar | Also, album art is section B.20 |
| 06:10:55 | [Saint] | No, it's the fact it differs from the album title in the metadata...even by one char |
| 06:11:15 | [Saint] | it is *way* easier to name them all "folder.jpg" |
| 06:11:30 | [Saint] | do a search, then batch rename them...piss easy |
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| 06:13:48 | mulenmar | Okay, the brackets aren't special characters that have to be escaped somehow, right? |
| 06:14:20 | [Saint] | no...but, if its not in the file or album name...it WONT work |
| 06:14:34 | [Saint] | look at the naming conventions in the manual. |
| 06:14:37 | mulenmar | I am. |
| 06:15:18 | [Saint] | seriously, "folder.jpg" will save you all kinds of hassle |
| 06:15:33 | mulenmar | Where is the parsing code, I wouldn't mind taking the chance here to help AND grow my C skills. The existing definitions would be a good example for me. |
| 06:15:34 | [Saint] | it means even if you rename the album or file, your AA won't break |
| 06:15:53 | [Saint] | parsing code for.....? |
| 06:16:29 | mulenmar | Er, the code for parsing the names, looking for certain naming conventions. |
| 06:16:35 | mulenmar | The code that looks for the album art. |
| 06:17:01 | funman | did someone already measured the time needed by Clip+ OF to charge ? |
| 06:17:16 | [Saint] | that's one for Unhelpful I'd say, mulenmar |
| 06:17:35 | [Saint] | he's fairly aware of the AA code..its all vodoo to me. |
| 06:25:19 | [Saint] | so, mulenmar....issues with pictureflow? |
| 06:25:43 | mulenmar | Oops, got distracted. |
| 06:26:27 | JdGordon| | mulenmar: apps/recorder/albumart.c somewhere |
| 06:27:25 | [Saint] | is apps/recorder/ some legacy from the AJBR? |
| 06:28:03 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 06:28:04 | mulenmar | I only have five albums on here at the moment, they all have cover art. |
| 06:28:24 | [Saint] | try exiting it |
| 06:28:25 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: ditto apps/charcell |
| 06:28:39 | mulenmar | No difficulty scrolling through on vanilla Rockbox without playback. Exiting now. |
| 06:28:57 | mulenmar | No problem exiting. |
| 06:28:59 | [Saint] | and, also...theissue is using hotkey to enter pictureflow |
| 06:29:22 | [Saint] | not goingstraight to the plugin. |
| 06:32:15 | mulenmar | So how do I set a hotkey for it? |
| 06:32:33 | mulenmar | Config file? |
| 06:32:49 | [Saint] | settings - general settings - hotkey |
| 06:33:10 | [Saint] | wps hotkey - pictureflow |
| 06:37:07 | mulenmar | Between that and the manual I figured how the hotkey and use it. WPS is when the song is loaded (playing or paused), right? I don't have a problem hotkeying into Pictureflow or exiting. |
| 06:37:20 | mulenmar | Then again, I ONLY have five albums and their cover art on here. |
| 06:37:45 | mulenmar | Let me download a few more, rename the AA, and try again, and I'll get back to you [Saint] |
| 06:38:58 | [Saint] | volume [of albums] shouldn't be an issue...looks like this is mine alone to debug, yay :/ |
| 06:39:19 | mulenmar | This is without the patch, though. |
| 06:41:24 | [Saint] | ah...i'm only really interested in *with* the patch |
| 06:42:00 | mulenmar | Hold on, that build MUST be finished by now. |
| 06:43:03 | [Saint] | i'm doig a full disk check/repair just in case...and I also revertedenogh patches so tht ccache couldn't reuse nything, both are taking ages |
| 06:46:19 | mulenmar | Also, I just got repeat results: on my Nano2G, a reboot is definitely required before the database is commited. |
| 06:46:29 | mulenmar | (According to the software) |
| 06:49:10 | [Saint] | not in all cases...no. |
| 06:50:20 | [Saint] | I neverhave to reboot to finish theiit, i suspet I have a morefinly tuned coni |
| 06:50:37 | [Saint] | * the init |
| 06:51:30 | mulenmar | [Saint]: By "skipping tracks *really* fast, do you mean from in Pictureflow's file list, between files? |
| 06:51:45 | [Saint] | no |
| 06:51:52 | [Saint] | in the .wps |
| 06:52:59 | mulenmar | Ah, different problem, of PEBKAC class. Because if I do that very quickly about eight to ten times in a row, it stops loading the song. I can quit the plugin just fine though. |
| 06:53:05 | mulenmar | As for the .wps . . . |
| 06:53:08 | * | mulenmar checks |
| 06:54:35 | mulenmar | Uh-huh −−- I guess my error wasn't in PictureFlow. But deal with that later. I've seen this before, I'll have to reboot to get song playing workign again. |
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| 06:55:13 | [Saint] | you can reproduce it? |
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| 06:56:12 | * | JdGordon| wonders what happened with seani's new vkeyboard? :( |
| 06:57:05 | mulenmar | [Saint] Not reliably, no. Like I said, I've seen it before I and I have NO idea what triggers it, even from what I was doing. |
| 06:57:17 | mulenmar | I can do the same thing again and it doesn't cause a problem. |
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| 06:59:02 | mulenmar | Also, that skipping back and forth quickly in just the ordinary WPS −− no problem with the OGG Vorbis files I have on here. |
| 06:59:43 | mulenmar | Even in the album Pictureflow screwed up in and I then wasn't able to play anything until I rebooted. |
| 06:59:47 | [Saint] | I'm talking about *really* fast. |
| 06:59:58 | [Saint] | like...tapping "prev" as fast as you can. |
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| 07:00:02 | mulenmar | So was I. The first note usually didn't even get to play. |
| 07:00:29 | [Saint] | I can reproduce *PANIC* tagcache with that, every time. |
| 07:00:31 | [Saint] | weird. |
| 07:00:47 | [Saint] | I've narrowed down my pictureflow issues to one of two patches..though. |
| 07:00:54 | mulenmar | I'll try coping all the songs into one directory, hold on. |
| 07:01:06 | [Saint] | either my pictureflow patch, of liar's LCD sleep patch |
| 07:02:47 | [Saint] | mulenmar: do you notice that without the pictureflow patch, and during playback, that pictureflow is REALLY laggy changing between slides? |
| 07:02:54 | [Saint] | that is what my patch attempts to fix. |
| 07:03:31 | mulenmar | No, I didn't, but again that's with only five albums. |
| 07:04:08 | mulenmar | How many do you have, that you're having issues with? |
| 07:04:36 | [Saint] | It doesn't matter...two, three, or 50 run like a bag of ass. |
| 07:04:43 | [Saint] | (without the patch) |
| 07:04:50 | [Saint] | (and during playback) |
| 07:05:24 | mulenmar | I have the same, decent performance with our without the patch. |
| 07:06:00 | mulenmar | *or |
| 07:06:25 | [Saint] | very odd...it is a known bug that pictureflow is affected by the wps integration. |
| 07:08:10 | mulenmar | So let me sure I'm doing it right. |
| 07:08:37 | mulenmar | I set the hotkey to Pictureflow, load a song, and while in the WPS I hit the hotkey for Pictureflow? |
| 07:08:51 | mulenmar | Then scroll between albums in Pictureflow? |
| 07:09:05 | [Saint] | yes. |
| 07:09:39 | [Saint] | you should see reduced performance as opposed to launching the plugin directly, without playback, from the plugins menu |
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| 07:10:26 | mulenmar | While the song is playing? That makes sense to happen −− the CPU is decoding the music at the same time. |
| 07:10:38 | mulenmar | What format and bitrate are you using? |
| 07:10:44 | [Saint] | nah...it should handle it fine. |
| 07:11:04 | [Saint] | the CPU boosts as necessary, and, the Nano2G is certainly not short on CPU power |
| 07:11:14 | [Saint] | it is one of the more powerful RB targets |
| 07:11:38 | [Saint] | not only should it handle it fine, but, it used to...prior to .wps integration |
| 07:11:57 | mulenmar | Well OGG Vorbis is listed in the Wiki as having "very efficient code", so *maybe* it's making more of a difference, combined with the effects of Pictureflow, than seems logical. |
| 07:13:18 | mulenmar | Just tested the rapid back-forth in the WPS again, this time with 31 songs in one directory. Still no issue. |
| 07:13:48 | [Saint] | wow...I can reproduce that with all my targets...perhaps it has something to do with .mp3 |
| 07:13:59 | [Saint] | I have 6 Nano2Gs, all do it. |
| 07:16:45 | mulenmar | [Saint] I detest MP3s, for quality/filesize issues as well as the last few patents that are still in effect (can't wait for 2015), but I'll download a few MP3 torrents from Jamendo and test with that for you. |
| 07:17:31 | [Saint] | mulenmar: have I showed you/have you seen the "iLike Nano" theme? |
| 07:18:17 | mulenmar | I've used it. |
| 07:18:29 | [Saint] | Ah, cool. |
| 07:18:54 | [Saint] | 'tis mine. |
| 07:19:06 | mulenmar | I saw that. Nice work. |
| 07:20:25 | [Saint] | I need to backport some fixes into the version on the themesite, though...just syntax xleanup, and a few cleaner/new .bmps |
| 07:20:45 | [Saint] | *cleanup |
| 07:22:46 | mulenmar | Ugh, there's the ONE thing that annoys me in both the OFW and Rockbox −− plugging into the computer stops playback. Technical limitation? |
| 07:23:15 | JdGordon| | nothing can ytouch the disk while usb is connected as mass storage |
| 07:23:55 | mulenmar | I thought the currently playing song was loaded into memory? |
| 07:24:06 | mulenmar | Wait, nevermind, that doesn't make sense. |
| 07:24:18 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28002): manual: the AMSv1 don't run OF if powered by USB |
| 07:24:43 | JdGordon| | it is, but it is alot eaiser everywhere to make sure we kill playback than to stop writing/reading |
| 07:26:01 | CIA-81 | r28002 build result: All green |
| 07:36:32 | mulenmar | [Saint]: The closest I can come to your problems is if I rebuild the Pictureflow cache while a song is playing, quit the plugin, and then reenter it with the hotkey. |
| 07:37:36 | mulenmar | Then it won't scroll unless I hit Menu first, and then it scrolls perfectly. |
| 07:38:27 | mulenmar | Rephrase: if I tell Pictureflow to rebuild, exit, re-hotkey into Pictureflow, let it rebuild the cache, and then display it. THEN I can't scroll. But if I hit Menu, then it works. |
| 07:39:17 | mulenmar | I'm going to compare album scrolling in Picture flow with MP3 playing and OGG Vorbis playing now. |
| 07:46:57 | * | [Saint] waves to mulenmar from #rockbox too |
| 07:52:17 | mulenmar | Well, I'm not seeing a real difference in Pictureflow between with 192K VBR MP3 and Q7 OGG Vorbis playing in the background. |
| 07:52:52 | [Saint] | weird...things like this make me think there is some types of unknown hardware substitutions that Apple uses. |
| 07:53:10 | mulenmar | The only thing is not scrolling between the albums, immediately after rebuilding the cache and quitting -> reentering the plugin. |
| 07:53:10 | [Saint] | but then, what are the odds of me getting 6 "different" players. |
| 07:53:18 | [Saint] | I can reproduce this on all my players |
| 07:53:35 | mulenmar | [Saint] If I remember right, TheSeven determined my Nano2G has a revision 7 board in it. |
| 07:54:02 | [Saint] | it ws liar, and it was a type 7 LCD |
| 07:54:11 | [Saint] | two LCD versions are known. |
| 07:55:02 | mulenmar | My LCD as read by Debug -> View hardware: "type 1, (7) LDS176" |
| 07:56:08 | mulenmar | I don't know what the LCD differences are. |
| 07:56:33 | [Saint] | basically, nothing. |
| 07:57:08 | [Saint] | well, a few slight differences that don;t really matter, just need to be treated slightly differently. |
| 07:58:22 | mulenmar | Well, let me see if I can pull out what code we looked at in #freemyipod and found my Nano2G to be a "type 7 board"... |
| 07:59:15 | mulenmar | Ah yes −− in NORFlash.bak, after "rVwH", there are some 0x00 and then a 0x07. |
| 07:59:53 | mulenmar | Is there a hardware difference between my version and yours that could be making me not have the problem? |
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| 08:01:21 | [Saint] | I doubt it...I just need to track down someone else that *is* having the pictureflow issues...there's about 3 or 4 people on the tracker |
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| 08:12:40 | funman | halving pclk/unboosted fclk on clipv1 has an impressive effect on codecs |
| 08:12:54 | funman | AAC is almost twice slower |
| 08:12:59 | funman | vorbis os more than twice slower |
| 08:15:14 | funman | and no luck using DRAM@62MHz and PCLK@31MHz |
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| 08:33:42 | [Saint] | Hmmmm...is this a bug? |
| 08:34:25 | [Saint] | If I start playback with the database, then open pictureflow with hotkey, then exit pictureflow, then press select, it opens the pictureflow instad of the database |
| 08:37:01 | [Saint] | "Start playback with the database, then open pictureflow with hotkey in the .wps, then exit pictureflow back to the .wps, then press select (while still in the .wps), it opens the pictureflow instead of the database (it usually opens the database, if it launched playback, or the File Browsers, if playback was launched from there) |
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| 08:45:27 | mulenmar | [Saint] I (obviously) don't know if it's a bug, but the same thing happens here when I try it. |
| 08:46:30 | JdGordon| | that is probably a bug |
| 08:46:41 | [Saint] | I suspect it is a bug...IIUC select is supposed to return you to the list that playback was launched from. |
| 08:46:51 | JdGordon| | select should go back to where you started the music from, which isnt pf if bah.... |
| 08:47:13 | [Saint] | and, in this case, it is *not* pictureflow that launches playback...but it takes over. |
| 08:49:07 | JdGordon| | any opinions on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11084 ? I'm probably going to be commiting it soonish... it is pretty much required for a useable touch sbs |
| 08:49:57 | JdGordon| | and I'll fix it so the hotkey button can control it also on non touch targets |
| 08:53:20 | mulenmar | Well [Saint], all I can offer is that fact that it happens here on my Nano2G too −− I'm heading to bed. I'll check Flyspray tomorrow and test whatever you come up with to fix it, if you do. 8~J |
| 08:53:58 | JdGordon| | my plan for touch sbs is having a title bar ar the top (centered) with the rb logo in one corner which always gets back to the menu, ui viewport taking up the rest of the screen except a row at the bottom which will be used for buttons.. if playback is running it will show track info, otherwise just the button bar |
| 08:54:29 | JdGordon| | the button bar will need a button which will change which set of buttons is displayed (playback control, browser control, etc) depending on the screen |
| 08:55:22 | JdGordon| | the lists annoyingly cant use the popup system because the list will get redrawn over it, so we have to use some screen space permenantly fo rit |
| 08:55:25 | JdGordon| | for it* |
| 08:55:54 | JdGordon| | ^ portait layout.. landscape will put the buttons on the side somewhere |
| 08:56:22 | * | JdGordon| will need some help with icons :) |
| 08:56:48 | [Saint] | s/some help/someone to do them for him/ ;) |
| 08:57:19 | JdGordon| | you've seen how good i am in the art department |
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| 08:58:14 | [Saint] | Hmmmm...I don't even know where to START looking to figure out why pictureflow is stealing the "return to <blah>" function from select if it is launched after playback commences. |
| 08:58:46 | [Saint] | can anyone try this on a non-ipod? |
| 08:59:03 | JdGordon| | it will be because the hotkey handler is a bit daft :) |
| 08:59:13 | [Saint] | or...any target, to confirm it exists throughout and not just some odd Nano2G bug |
| 08:59:47 | [Saint] | CsSavery kinda dissappeared after dropping that commit on us. |
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| 09:02:00 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: whats the story with your 24px iconset? did it go in? |
| 09:02:18 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 09:02:52 | [Saint] | I guess I need to finish that with a viewers iconset...but, I didn't seee there was much interest in it going in from kugel |
| 09:03:02 | [Saint] | he seemed to dislike it rather strongly |
| 09:03:21 | JdGordon| | meh, sdl-app is my media player now so I'm interested in getting it up to scratch |
| 09:03:44 | [Saint] | I'll make a viewers iconset for it also, as soon as I can. |
| 09:04:05 | [Saint] | I'll probably do that tonight as it is relatively small. |
| 09:04:14 | [Saint] | *then* it can go in, sure. |
| 09:04:51 | JdGordon| | how is that smaller than the touch popup image? :'( |
| 09:05:55 | [Saint] | as it's just a matter of resizing/fixing some things...possibly creating a few icons from scratch, I'm not too familiar with the viewers icons. |
| 09:06:06 | [Saint] | I don't even use icons at all. |
| 09:06:13 | JdGordon| | wouldnt that make it more effort? |
| 09:06:45 | [Saint] | Nah...Tango! already exists, I'll need to get inventive and create something from scratch for the popup. |
| 09:07:21 | [Saint] | *anyway*, and idea where there's no keyclicks on Nano2G unless there's audio playback? |
| 09:07:32 | [Saint] | meaning to mention that for a while...bugs me. |
| 09:07:52 | JdGordon| | piezo or software clicks? |
| 09:08:05 | [Saint] | keyclick only works if the is current playback...it never used to be that way. |
| 09:08:11 | [Saint] | software. |
| 09:08:49 | JdGordon| | keyclick could have been broken... it should be the same as voice... i.e playback working or STOPPED... paused will give nothing |
| 09:10:18 | funman | [Saint]: if it didn't used to be that way you can bisect and find the commit which caused this |
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| 09:11:10 | Gatz85 | quick question any one know what part of the code handles the Mouse HID when pluged in |
| 09:11:34 | funman | Gatz85: look in firmware/usbstack/ |
| 09:11:49 | JdGordon| | depends what you are actually asking about... |
| 09:11:58 | JdGordon| | which button does what? how it works? |
| 09:12:53 | Gatz85 | na more along the lines where it is triggernd and you can select the keyboard presation or mose |
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| 09:13:10 | Gatz85 | umm the remote code if that help |
| 09:14:12 | Gatz85 | becuase i havee found in the usbstack but the code that starts that process by selection |
| 09:15:29 | Gatz85 | is what i'm shooting for |
| 09:17:41 | JdGordon| | what do you want to do? |
| 09:18:42 | JdGordon| | the code to handle the buttons is in apps/gui/usb_screen.c i tihnk or apps/misc.c? |
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| 09:22:07 | Gatz85 | I'm trying to port the ps3groove , and have a selection chocie for the jailbreak and when selected it. |
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| 09:23:01 | gevaerts | Yes, you're right. The user interface is the hardest part of that, so that's where you have to start work on it |
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| 09:24:12 | Gatz85 | getting it think its a hub might be a problem |
| 09:25:27 | Gatz85 | but i'm doing research right now trying to decode what was done on the teensy board and try to aply that to the usbstack of rockbox |
| 09:26:07 | JdGordon| | even if you are successful, we very likely wont accept any patches which are purely for piracy |
| 09:27:10 | Gatz85 | well first don't want pircy useing the orginal code that did not let you run the backup manger |
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| 09:27:50 | gevaerts | Or more likely, we won't accept patches with a very questionable benefit for us if they make our code less clean (and I don't see how you can do the stuff involved *cleanly*) |
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| 09:29:10 | Gatz85 | well didn't expect it to get patched in i'm really just trying to gut rockbox and make just a jig out of it |
| 09:29:20 | gevaerts | Sure. You're welcome to do that |
| 09:29:36 | funman | TheSeven: ping |
| 09:29:39 | gevaerts | I just want to make sure we all know where we stand, to avoid disappointment later :) |
| 09:29:56 | Gatz85 | yeah i know |
| 09:30:11 | funman | TheSeven: what's the "DCFG = 4; /* Address 0 */" in usb-s3c6400x.c ? address should start on bit 4 |
| 09:31:07 | funman | bit 2 is "Non Zero Length Status OUT Handshake" i think |
| 09:32:49 | gevaerts | Gatz85: my guess is that you basically have two options: either build a hub class implementation, and extend usb_core.c to handle multiple device "contexts" (and possibly the actual controller driver as well, although I'm not sure if you need many changes there), *or* rip apart usb_core.c and just have it "expect request A, reply with a', then expect B, reply with b', ..." |
| 09:33:13 | gevaerts | Changing the device address as appropriate |
| 09:35:34 | Gatz85 | first option would be need becuase want to be able to flash new firmware as need |
| 09:36:39 | Gatz85 | thanks for the suggestions though they were helpful |
| 09:37:07 | JdGordon| | seen as this is obviously not rockbox related (and very questionable to begin with) please take the discussion elsewhere... |
| 09:38:22 | funman | [21430.190080] usb 1-3: can't set config #1, error -110 |
| 09:38:50 | Gatz85 | well i came here asking about the firmware and nothing else but ok thanks again |
| 09:39:05 | funman | gevaerts: would you know in which state the device is when Linux issue such an error ? (-110 = ETIMEDOUT) |
| 09:39:34 | gevaerts | funman: it's in a "not responding as expected" state |
| 09:40:07 | funman | does it mean some packets went through? (i.e. get descriptor or set address) |
| 09:40:24 | gevaerts | No |
| 09:40:36 | gevaerts | You can get that after any request I think |
| 09:41:04 | funman | i'm trying to use the ipod nano2g driver on clip+ |
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| 09:42:45 | funman | Bus 001 Device 049: ID 0781:74d1 SanDisk Corp. Sansa Clip+ (msc) |
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| 09:43:25 | gevaerts | If you get that, at least one packet got through :) |
| 09:43:48 | funman | more than one ;) |
| 09:43:54 | funman | that's with charging only btw |
| 09:44:45 | gevaerts | right, so enumeration only |
| 09:58:51 | Gatz85 | are the config for each mp3 player defined in /exporrt/config/** |
| 09:59:16 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 09:59:28 | Gatz85 | thanks |
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| 10:02:25 | funman | gevaerts: only EP0 would be needed for charging-only enumeration, right? |
| 10:02:40 | gevaerts | Only EP0 is needed for any enumeration |
| 10:03:19 | gevaerts | You declare that the others exist during enumeration, but nothing is actually done with them |
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| 10:39:28 | funman | i suppose pamaury will see better than me what fails with the usb analyzer |
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| 11:13:18 | funman | gevaerts: any random guess why reading device descriptor & config descriptor would work but not setting it? |
| 11:13:45 | gevaerts | settin "it"? |
| 11:14:17 | funman | setting the configuration* |
| 11:14:36 | funman | iiuc the device sends all its possible configurations and the host selects one |
| 11:14:37 | gevaerts | settting the address works? |
| 11:15:26 | funman | how can i know? i expected that the address be set before reading the device descriptor |
| 11:15:49 | gevaerts | Yes and no |
| 11:17:00 | * | gevaerts looks for things |
| 11:17:36 | funman | i suppose the clip+ is stuck in some endless loop since when charging only the screen is frozen |
| 11:18:13 | gevaerts | Normally, first the device descriptor is read, then the address is set, then the device descriptor is read again (possibly more of it), then the configuration descriptor is read |
| 11:19:48 | gevaerts | Then the configuration descriptor is read again (the first time only reads a bit, mainly to get the "length" field), then string descriptors are read, and finally the configuration is set (a single number actually) |
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| 11:20:57 | funman | hm the device descriptor can't be read in charging-only now |
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| 11:22:09 | funman | http://pastie.org/1141108 |
| 11:23:50 | gevaerts | funman: I assume this is consistently repeatable? |
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| 11:24:20 | funman | yes |
| 11:24:47 | funman | as long as i don't mess with the register bits |
| 11:25:28 | gevaerts | Weird. I seems to fail at getting the device qualifier descriptor, but that really isn't anything special |
| 11:25:50 | funman | "can't set config #1" happens before i run lsusb |
| 11:25:58 | funman | the following messages, after i run lsusb |
| 11:27:05 | gevaerts | As far as I know, lsusb gets the device and configuration descriptors itself, so that apparently still works |
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| 11:28:48 | funman | on nano2g the rx/tx fifos are set to 512 bytes but in the linux (and pamaury's) code i don't see them being set. |
| 11:28:49 | gevaerts | funman: does wireshark tell you something useful? |
| 11:34:18 | funman | wireshark causes different errors? |
| 11:34:47 | funman | GET DESCRIPTOR Response CONFIGURATION[Malformed Packet] |
| 11:35:33 | funman | hm i've seen a SCSI device appear & disappear! |
| 11:39:30 | funman | it tells me abotu GE DESCRIPTOR Response STRING[Malformed Packet] |
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| 11:40:58 | funman | afaics it's always the same (malformed) response |
| 11:41:34 | gevaerts | ok, so the string descriptors might be wrong |
| 11:41:56 | funman | http://pastie.org/1141130 |
| 11:42:27 | funman | there's 3 successfull request/response before those 2 failing |
| 11:43:03 | gevaerts | That's the serial number I guess |
| 11:45:07 | gevaerts | funman: is there an appropriate set_serial_descriptor() in usb_core.c for your target? |
| 11:45:26 | funman | yes |
| 11:46:16 | funman | hmm maybe not |
| 11:47:02 | funman | looks like the serial number is twice smaller on as3543 than on as3514 so we might be reading undefined i2c registers |
| 11:48:00 | gevaerts | right, that might cause some weirdness |
| 11:48:20 | gevaerts | Make sure usb_string_iSerial.bLength remains a plausible value |
| 11:48:53 | gevaerts | Or just make it fall through to the default no serial number case for now |
| 11:51:28 | funman | config is ok but lsusb still fails |
| 11:51:52 | funman | the failing response is always the same (the last one in my paste) |
| 11:53:26 | funman | cool, i saw SCSI requests again |
| 11:53:44 | funman | it might be something with the caches (seeing the randomness of the failing point) |
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| 12:00:23 | funman | [29949.753320] scsi 101:0:0:0: Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 |
| 12:00:26 | funman | :)) |
| 12:00:37 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
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| 12:01:21 | funman | iiuc there is a reset and after the reset things go bad again |
| 12:04:10 | wg412 | soap: last night you made a couple of suggestions to help me conserve power on my newly minted "rockpod". I found the option to turn of accessory power, and a handful of options to modify the behaviour of the backlight but nothing allowing me to have the actual screen turn off when the backlight goes out. Can you help find this option? |
| 12:04:50 | funman | hm there's always this weird packet |
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| 12:19:06 | Torne | wg412: see the manual, specifically http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1430008.4 |
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| 12:19:26 | kugel | funman: success? |
| 12:19:29 | funman | http://pastie.org/1141187 < my diff |
| 12:19:37 | funman | kugel: nope, but i think we're close |
| 12:19:48 | Torne | folks in general: should we maybe amend the text in the manual for that setting? it says "but turning on the display takes noticably longer than just turning on the backlight" - that's not true on every device which can turn the lcd off |
| 12:19:59 | funman | perhaps pamaury will have a clue what this weird packet is |
| 12:20:00 | Torne | the ipodvideo's lcd turns back on instantly, or at least instantly enough for my reaction time |
| 12:20:20 | funman | or perhaps we need to change a register between nano2g & amsv2 |
| 12:21:46 | pixelma | wg412: which Ipod o you have exactly? |
| 12:21:55 | pixelma | *do you |
| 12:23:15 | funman | kugel: you want to try on fuzev2? i lended mine to a friend |
| 12:23:35 | kugel | sure |
| 12:26:07 | funman | hmm it works on clipv2 |
| 12:27:24 | funman | although slowly but no bug yet |
| 12:29:01 | funman | *very* slowly even |
| 12:29:52 | funman | there might be something specific to the clip+ |
| 12:32:21 | kugel | http://pastie.org/1141206 |
| 12:33:09 | kugel | oh that's from the OF not rockbox |
| 12:33:37 | kugel | so, nothing seems to happen here (fuzev2 only charges) |
| 12:35:40 | funman | did you enable USE_ROCKBOX_USB in config/sansafuzev2.h ? |
| 12:36:18 | funman | copying from the device : 1Mbpm (per minute) |
| 12:36:45 | JdGordon1 | kugel: did you see my email? |
| 12:36:54 | kugel | yes |
| 12:37:42 | kugel | funman: no, I didn't |
| 12:37:56 | JdGordon1 | do you know why dir_uncached.h is all in !APPLICATION? |
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| 12:41:47 | kugel | funman: better: http://pastie.org/1141216 |
| 12:42:50 | funman | nice |
| 12:43:03 | funman | not sure why the µSD isn't here though |
| 12:43:50 | funman | kugel: does it work fine? (i have a panic on usb unplug) |
| 12:44:57 | JdGordon1 | sdl app sim spits out LOTS of warnings.... |
| 12:45:10 | JdGordon1 | and fails to compile :/ |
| 12:45:35 | kugel | funman: yes, I have that panic but it seems to have transferred a 20MB file just fine (and even quite quickly) |
| 12:46:26 | funman | USB_HAS_BULK was not defined but mass storage worked anyway :o |
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| 12:47:27 | kugel | 20MB in 3.1 seconds |
| 12:48:11 | kugel | is that realistic or does OS caching mess up the numbers? |
| 12:48:43 | gevaerts | Yes (to both) |
| 12:49:29 | funman | HID doesn't work out of the box though (like on nano2g, which is a good thing) |
| 12:49:38 | gevaerts | 6MB/second seems realistic, and OS caching usually does mess up the numbers |
| 12:50:48 | funman | i have around 6mbps too |
| 12:51:51 | kugel | 53MB in 9.5s, so it looks real :) |
| 12:52:21 | kugel | md5sum matches |
| 12:52:48 | kugel | funman: didn't you say it's slow for you? |
| 12:52:58 | funman | yes but now it's fast, go explain why .. |
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| 12:59:19 | JdGordon1 | where are the cabbie backdrop images stored? not the one for the wps |
| 12:59:49 | JdGordon1 | ah, backdrops :/ |
| 12:59:50 | JdGordon1 | how |
| 12:59:55 | JdGordon1 | how'd I miss that :p |
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| 13:04:53 | funman | i give up on clip+, that can comes later |
| 13:05:11 | TheSeven | funman: HID worked out of the box on nano2g, it's just that it causes random weirdnesses when hid and storage packets meet each other :) |
| 13:05:24 | funman | TheSeven: ah that's similar to what i've seen |
| 13:05:48 | funman | TheSeven: did you try to use *_dcache_range() functions instead of invalidating the whole cache in usb-s3c6400x.c ? |
| 13:05:48 | Unhelpful | JdGordon1: progressive. :) |
| 13:05:52 | TheSeven | but this really usually worked and just failed if you're sending hid events while reading files |
| 13:06:05 | JdGordon1 | :) thanks |
| 13:06:21 | TheSeven | funman: the nano2g doesn't have an MMU, and a rather trivial MPU |
| 13:06:32 | funman | ooh ok |
| 13:06:43 | funman | i thought it was an arm926ej-s but it's an arm940t, right? |
| 13:06:47 | TheSeven | yep |
| 13:06:50 | TheSeven | we could use some UNCACHED_ADDR magic though |
| 13:06:58 | * | TheSeven doesn't remember why he didn't do that |
| 13:07:03 | funman | for ctrlreq |
| 13:07:33 | funman | i plan to work on this file soon (after some rest) to support as3525v2, so unless you beat me to it i can do it |
| 13:07:38 | TheSeven | yeah, probably because I don't have control over all the buffers passed to it |
| 13:07:48 | JdGordon1 | kugel: does sdl-app *not* look in /usr/local/share/rockbox/wps for user wps/sbs files? |
| 13:08:27 | TheSeven | if we use uncached_addr, we would need to make sure that *every* access to that buffer (except dma at least) uses the uncached_addr |
| 13:08:41 | TheSeven | so this affects about all USB code |
| 13:08:58 | funman | yeah it's only easy to do for ctrlreq, not for the other buffers |
| 13:09:21 | kugel | JdGordon1: it does but only if you have no wpses in $HOME/.config/rockbox.org |
| 13:09:58 | JdGordon1 | I dont... |
| 13:10:12 | JdGordon1 | why isnt my sbs loading? :( |
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| 13:22:27 | JdGordon1 | any guess for a font which will fit nicely inside the cabbie top bar thingy? |
| 13:24:37 | wg412 | sorry, got disconnected a couple of times. my ipod is a 5.5gen 80gb. I already had a look at http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1430008.4 but I just don't see anything there to turn off the actual lcd when the backlight goies out |
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| 13:25:05 | wg412 | s/goies/goes/ |
| 13:26:53 | pixelma | I'd guess the "Sleep (After Backlight Off) |
| 13:26:56 | pixelma | " |
| 13:27:43 | JdGordon1 | http://imagebin.org/112852 :/ |
| 13:28:00 | wg412 | pixelma: but isn't that for the device to go to sleep, ie shutdown x seconds after backlight off? |
| 13:28:33 | pixelma | the description says "This setting controls how long rockbox will wait before turning off the display after the backlight is turned off. Turning off the display saves battery power but turning on the display takes noticeably longer than just turning on the backlight. " |
| 13:28:33 | wg412 | guess I'll fart around with it, not like i'll break it i guess< |
| 13:30:28 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r28003): Check for presence of the sdk and ndk (the corresponding env variables to be exact) in configure. |
| 13:31:28 | kugel | JdGordon1: seems to be a mistake of mine |
| 13:31:43 | wg412 | got it |
| 13:31:45 | wg412 | thanks |
| 13:32:13 | CIA-81 | r28003 build result: All green |
| 13:32:15 | JdGordon1 | kugel: :) which? the compile break or the themes? |
| 13:32:23 | kugel | the first |
| 13:32:33 | pixelma | wg412: the device will not shutdown after a backlight off - wouldn't make much sense to make that dependent on backlight off. There is the "Idle Shutdown" which will turn the device off after the set amount of time if it's doing nothing, not playing music, which is not in the "Display" submenu though - and there is the "Sleep Timer" where you can tell Rockbox to turn the device off after a set amount of time but that's not a persistent setting |
| 13:32:41 | JdGordon1 | sweet |
| 13:32:52 | kugel | browsing wps/sbs seems to work fine for me |
| 13:36:05 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r28004): Fix sdl application build |
| 13:37:55 | CIA-81 | r28004 build result: All green |
| 13:39:27 | JdGordon1 | bieber: ping? |
| 13:39:59 | JdGordon1 | kugel: if you can read the android keyboard I have a rather patch which you can make work.... I'll commit it soon enough for sdl |
| 13:40:06 | JdGordon1 | jump to letters in the lists |
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| 13:55:11 | webguest68 | hi ther |
| 13:55:22 | webguest68 | there* |
| 13:55:58 | webguest68 | Have I ti follow this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsTokenizer guide to build a patch for adding a new token? |
| 13:56:32 | JdGordon | no, that is very out of date |
| 13:56:36 | JdGordon | what do you want to add? |
| 13:56:57 | webguest68 | the purpose is to have a token and a touch region for the onda's players, to enable the internal speaker |
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| 13:57:45 | webguest68 | currently available from the audio settings menu |
| 13:58:13 | JdGordon | you need to look at parse_touchregion() in apps/gui/skin_engine.c to make the touchregion work |
| 13:58:31 | JdGordon | then apps/gui/wps.c to make the button actually do something |
| 13:59:37 | webguest68 | there's no skin_engine.c |
| 13:59:58 | JdGordon | apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_parser.c sorry |
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| 14:00:17 | kugel | maybe a generic setting toggle touchregion would be nice |
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| 14:23:07 | webguest68 | so, in skin_parser.c under ifdev HAVE_ToUCHSCREEN ? |
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| 14:27:29 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28005): The glyph number is required if it is given (i.e you cantt use -) |
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| 14:27:41 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28006): Add a work-in-progress 320x400 touch enabled sbs. ... |
| 14:29:18 | CIA-81 | r28005 build result: All green |
| 14:30:08 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28007): woops, wrong dimensions |
| 14:30:18 | webguest68 | and in wps.c add #ifdev HAVE_SPEAKER? |
| 14:30:38 | webguest68 | sorry, I can't understand very well how it's working.... |
| 14:30:58 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28008): 3rd time lucky |
| 14:31:06 | CIA-81 | r28006 build result: All green |
| 14:32:54 | CIA-81 | r28008 build result: All green |
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| 14:33:46 | JdGordon | webguest68: yeah, its a bit complicated. you need to add a new ACTION_ to action.h, then add that case in skintouch_to_wps() in wps.c |
| 14:33:58 | JdGordon | and make the touchregion use that ACTION_ value in skin_parser.h |
| 14:34:01 | JdGordon | .c |
| 14:34:24 | webguest68 | ok...I will try to look into it |
| 14:34:25 | JdGordon | look how the ACTION_HOTKEY is done... close to that |
| 14:36:35 | webguest68 | ACTION_WPS_SPEAKER, |
| 14:37:24 | webguest68 | do i put an ifdev HAVE_SPEAKER in action.h? |
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| 14:43:30 | mindfreakonline | : |
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| 14:45:27 | JdGordon | webguest68: you dont need to, but it might be better for completeness |
| 14:46:56 | webguest68 | and also I need to addd ACTION_STD_SPEAKER and ACTION_WPS_Speaker? |
| 14:47:06 | mindfreakonline | Hey Guys (: Is there somwhere out a guide how to code plugins? I'm currently looking into the rockbox SVN and trying to understand the code - but a guide or something similiar would be also nice. |
| 14:47:37 | JdGordon | webguest68: ACTION_STD_SPEAKER is good for both |
| 14:47:49 | JdGordon | mindfreakonline: not really... |
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| 14:50:32 | mindfreakonline | What's about a description of the rb-object? |
| 14:51:26 | JdGordon | apps/plugins.h has API |
| 14:51:34 | JdGordon | is the API even |
| 14:52:04 | mindfreakonline | Thank you - haven't looked into it until now. |
| 14:52:11 | mindfreakonline | (Sorry for my bad english) |
| 14:53:39 | webguest68 | ), case ACTION_WPS_SPEAKER:... |
| 14:53:55 | webguest68 | ouch...sorry.. |
| 14:54:57 | webguest68 | then under wps.c , skintouch_to_wps.. |
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| 15:02:01 | webguest68 | JdGordon: I'm having some troubles... |
| 15:02:12 | JdGordon | what have you got? |
| 15:02:48 | kugel | maybe it's time to add a secondary framebuffer for touchscreens |
| 15:03:07 | JdGordon | why? |
| 15:03:09 | webguest68 | I'm not understanding what I'm writing... and also don't know what to add in wps.c and where |
| 15:03:10 | kugel | it could be used for pop ups, yesno screen, splashes |
| 15:03:17 | webguest68 | must say that I'm not a coder |
| 15:03:36 | webguest68 | not a good one... |
| 15:04:52 | JdGordon | hang on, I tihnk tis will just be easier if I whip up a quick patch and you can test it |
| 15:05:54 | JdGordon | and by that I mean a touch region to generally change any setting... need to figure out how this would work... |
| 15:06:21 | webguest68 | ok, great |
| 15:06:38 | webguest68 | this will be great |
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| 15:33:53 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28009): 2 new touch region options... "settings_inc" and "settings_dec" which will increase or decrease most of the available settings. To use it put the ... |
| 15:33:56 | JdGordon | that was nice and easy :) |
| 15:35:38 | CIA-81 | r28009 build result: 0 errors, 10 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:36:25 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28010): fix warning |
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| 15:38:16 | CIA-81 | r28010 build result: All green |
| 15:39:03 | giovanni | JdGordon: thank you! |
| 15:39:10 | giovanni | I will test it right now |
| 15:39:16 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:39:28 | JdGordon | hopefully that explanation is good enough? |
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| 15:41:12 | giovanni | yes, so for the speake? |
| 15:41:17 | giovanni | speaker? |
| 15:42:06 | JdGordon | what is the setting name? |
| 15:42:45 | giovanni | don't know... |
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| 15:43:44 | JdGordon | you need to find out :) |
| 15:43:51 | JdGordon | change it and open the config.cfg file |
| 15:44:41 | giovanni | now it is not in the audio settings, simulator |
| 15:45:20 | JdGordon | ... apparently it is speaker |
| 15:45:40 | JdGordon | so add %T(x,y,w,h, setting_inc, speaker) and fix the first 4 |
| 15:45:57 | giovanni | ok |
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| 15:48:48 | * | JdGordon is somewhat surprised to see the sbs doesnt update track positions at all... and noone has said this before? |
| 15:49:43 | JdGordon | bieber: is there a problem with how the editor loads libskin_parser.a? it doesnt seem to pick up maybe tag_table.c changes after remaking? |
| 15:50:33 | giovanni | and it will be great also to have something similar to the repeat mode, so i can display different status image for this |
| 15:51:00 | JdGordon | you can |
| 15:51:11 | JdGordon | %?St(speaker)<on> |
| 15:52:13 | giovanni | ok |
| 15:55:23 | giovanni | great! |
| 15:55:40 | giovanni | It works! |
| 15:55:44 | giovanni | thank you :D |
| 15:57:10 | JdGordon | well of course it works! :) |
| 15:58:07 | giovanni | :D |
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| 16:02:42 | giovanni | will it work also for the fms? |
| 16:02:53 | JdGordon | yes |
| 16:02:56 | JdGordon | and sbs |
| 16:02:58 | JdGordon | well, it should |
| 16:04:43 | giovanni | great |
| 16:05:10 | giovanni | i will update my full touch theme |
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| 16:14:13 | CIA-81 | New commit by gevaerts (r28011): Slightly reorganise the FAT driver to ensure that no more than one sector buffer is ever allocated on the stack simultaneously. Fixes FS #11433 |
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| 16:15:51 | CIA-81 | r28011 build result: All green |
| 16:16:27 | gevaerts | That's a fun delta... |
| 16:19:28 | giovanni | is there a precompiled theme editor to download? I've got problem with my netbook |
| 16:20:00 | giovanni | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 16:20:12 | giovanni | I'm on Ubuntu |
| 16:20:53 | Torne | you are probably missing the -dev package for zlib |
| 16:21:06 | Torne | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zlib1g-dev |
| 16:21:10 | Torne | that one :) |
| 16:22:17 | giovanni | thank you |
| 16:24:05 | giovanni | yes, it fixes the error :) |
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| 16:30:55 | G4Oblivion | FS #11468 can be closed. It was about the nand crash which was just fixed. |
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| 16:46:53 | jjmartin | i would like a player that will do video in good quality but cost under $100 |
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| 17:04:25 | kugel | powermgmt.c is a complete mess |
| 17:04:38 | kugel | it's scares me away from implementing auto-exit on android |
| 17:05:22 | jjmartin | pastebin |
| 17:05:24 | jjmartin | plz |
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| 17:33:23 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r28012): Default to 35px adobe helvetica for big displays (height > 480). |
| 17:35:17 | CIA-81 | r28012 build result: All green |
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| 17:39:51 | gevaerts | Has anyone tried to make a screenshot recently on an mr500? |
| 17:40:14 | kugel | I even doubt that anyone has recently used an mr500 :) |
| 17:41:14 | gevaerts | s/recently/(in 640x480 configuration)/ |
| 17:41:31 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure it would get a stack overflow |
| 17:41:36 | kugel | IIUC it doesn't even have a cabbie port |
| 17:42:18 | kugel | gevaerts: don't you have one? |
| 17:42:39 | gevaerts | pamaury has mine now |
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| 18:11:19 | pamaury | Do you need do check something on the mr500 ? |
| 18:12:29 | gevaerts | pamaury: yes. I'd like to know if screendumps work |
| 18:12:36 | gevaerts | I suspect they'll crash |
| 18:12:40 | gevaerts | hm, wait |
| 18:12:59 | gevaerts | There's no decent hard reset on the mr500, so that's not a nice thing to ask |
| 18:13:00 | pamaury | I can't check know, I'm still unpacking but tonight or tomorrow I'll try |
| 18:13:12 | pamaury | no hard resert ? |
| 18:13:22 | pamaury | how do you restart ? |
| 18:13:23 | pamaury | how do you restart ? |
| 18:13:33 | gevaerts | Well, there is, but it uses remote buttons, and I never had the remote |
| 18:13:44 | gevaerts | Open the thing and disconnect the battery :) |
| 18:14:01 | pamaury | huh, is it difficult to open ? |
| 18:14:21 | gevaerts | Not very. Four screws IIRC |
| 18:14:35 | n1s | is anyone still using the old vmware image? if so which version is its native gcc |
| 18:14:37 | n1s | ? |
| 18:14:40 | pamaury | ok, I'll check if I have a compatible screw driver before |
| 18:14:44 | pamaury | :D |
| 18:15:52 | * | pixelma points towards kkurbjun to get his attention ;) |
| 18:28:16 | n1s | if the vmware image can't build sims and is shipping with at least one out of date target toolchain, which just happens to be the one used for the majority of targets. Does it do more good than harm? |
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| 18:29:19 | Torne | someone could just make a new one or update it. ;) |
| 18:29:49 | n1s | btw, as soon as i get a monitor for my desktop and some free time i'll try to get coldfire over to a newer gcc too so it would be even more out of date. |
| 18:29:54 | n1s | Torne: sure |
| 18:30:54 | n1s | actually jHmikeS (capitalization?) made one and posted in the forums, but i dunno the state of it (can it build manuals?) |
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| 18:38:56 | bieber | JdGordan: If you catch this later, I've never had an issue with it, but I remember you having the same problem a while ago. Perhaps try cleaning and rebuilding everything? |
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| 19:02:41 | funman | pamaury: did you see that we can mount clipv2/fuzev2 with rockbox usb? |
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| 19:06:54 | ken147 | hi everyone |
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| 19:16:47 | pamaury | funman: with my code ? |
| 19:17:05 | funman | no with nano2g code |
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| 19:17:57 | pamaury | and lcip+ |
| 19:17:58 | pamaury | ? |
| 19:18:01 | pamaury | *clip |
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| 19:18:32 | funman | it somehow works but it looks like some responses on IN endpoint are replaced by a malformed packet (always the same) |
| 19:19:46 | pamaury | and what my code procudes on clipv2 and fuzev2 ? I can't test, I'm stuck with my clip+ |
| 19:20:44 | funman | afaics it was the same on clipv2 |
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| 19:26:24 | pamaury | the clip+ must have something special but I can't explain the fundamental difference between nano2g code and mine that changes everything :) I should have more time soon, I'll try to solve this definitely |
| 19:27:38 | funman | well enumeration works so it must be something small |
| 19:28:57 | pamaury | my next idea to try is a circular buffer for setup packet because all the problem is there, the setup packet is somehow corrupted or not written, or ... |
| 19:30:37 | funman | setup works with nano2g code |
| 19:30:52 | funman | sometimes i see the /dev/sd* being created |
| 19:31:03 | pamaury | with nano2g code ? |
| 19:31:20 | funman | yes, read this morning logs |
| 19:31:29 | pamaury | "sometimes" ? |
| 19:31:54 | amiconn | n1s: *iirc* the vmware image is debian lenny x86, but I lost overview over the various images long ago... |
| 19:31:59 | funman | i see malformed responses in wireshark, but the malformed responses happen at various random times |
| 19:32:11 | amiconn | There were several, and once made, nobody seems to ever update them |
| 19:32:28 | funman | i'm modifying the usb-s3c6400x.c so it works for both ams and nano2g (my current code is just a hack) |
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| 19:35:17 | pamaury | ok, I'll try with the modified code, or your patch if you have it, see if I can explain this weird packet. But I really would like to understand why my code doesn't work :) I don't have time now. If you have a patch (even a hacky one), poke me, so I check with the analyzer* |
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| 19:36:21 | funman | i pasted it around 12:00 |
| 19:38:27 | pamaury | ok |
| 19:39:29 | funman | hm i think i understood something about the right -target.h file not being included |
| 19:39:47 | funman | if the .c file is in arm/ gcc will pick up arm/x-target.h and not arm/target/x-target.h |
| 19:43:54 | funman | TheSeven: what does DCFG=4; mean in usb-s3c6400x.c ? |
| 19:44:03 | amiconn | funman: That shouldn't happen |
| 19:44:56 | amiconn | #include order is firmware/target/arch/manuf/device/ -> firmware/target/arch/manuf/ -> firmware/target/arch/ |
| 19:45:47 | funman | TheSeven: also how about renaming INT_USB_FUNC() to INT_USB() ? |
| 19:46:01 | TheSeven | FUNC in contrast to PHY |
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| 19:46:11 | TheSeven | it should maybe be OTG instead |
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| 19:46:25 | TheSeven | and regarding the 4 value... no idea |
| 19:46:42 | TheSeven | apple used that, and i have the impression that my docs aren't accurate on that one |
| 19:48:47 | TheSeven | i only care about the address bits of that reg :) |
| 19:48:54 | funman | can you try setting it to 0 ? |
| 19:52:19 | TheSeven | seems to work fine at a first glance |
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| 19:55:36 | funman | ah cool no more panics on unplug |
| 19:56:44 | funman | also, does the dummy address for empty packets need to be in the memory map? |
| 19:57:13 | TheSeven | i don't quite know why it is there in the first place |
| 19:57:43 | TheSeven | at apparently helped to prevent the usb core from spuriously overwriting the vector table |
| 19:58:07 | TheSeven | but in theory it shouldn't be neccessary as it should never write anythin to that address in that case |
| 19:58:48 | funman | ok |
| 19:58:57 | TheSeven | IIRC it was liar who introduced that, and while it seemed to solve a problem on his iPod, it was working perfectly fine on mine even without that patch |
| 19:59:15 | funman | and last thing: how are D?EPCTLx documented for you? what's bit 11 ? |
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| 19:59:52 | funman | max packet size is 11 bits here but your mask is 10 bits |
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| 20:00:18 | funman | i mean what's bit 10 |
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| 20:01:57 | TheSeven | yes, the datasheet says bits 10:0 |
| 20:02:13 | funman | ok so i'll change the mask |
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| 20:02:35 | TheSeven | 9:0 will work because the maximum packet size that's ever possible is 1023 |
| 20:02:47 | TheSeven | (for isochronous transfers) |
| 20:03:40 | TheSeven | must have slipped in because of me thinking of usb packet sizes as 10 bit values |
| 20:06:46 | funman | oh if i include with <> it works as expected |
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| 20:13:40 | funman | TheSeven: is there a macro to use uncached addresses on s5l8700 ? |
| 20:13:53 | TheSeven | UNCACHED_ADDR(x) |
| 20:14:03 | funman | where is it defined? |
| 20:14:19 | TheSeven | hmm, i'd guess system-s5l8700.h or something |
| 20:14:37 | TheSeven | however, this will only work properly if every single access to that buffer goes through uncached_addr |
| 20:14:51 | funman | suer |
| 20:14:53 | funman | sure* |
| 20:15:36 | TheSeven | btw it is *not* needed (but won't hurt) to be applied to the address passed to the OTG |
| 20:16:26 | funman | /media/bordel/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/usb-s3c6400x.c:53: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘UNCACHED_ADDR’ |
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| 20:17:26 | TheSeven | does that file include system.h? |
| 20:17:55 | funman | yes |
| 20:18:59 | funman | i don't see UNCACHED_ADDR in s5l8700/sytem-target.h |
| 20:19:33 | TheSeven | hmm, ask grep... |
| 20:19:40 | TheSeven | i don't have a working copy around right now |
| 20:19:42 | funman | it's definitely not there |
| 20:19:52 | funman | i'll use the same formula than pcm |
| 20:19:57 | TheSeven | i just know that it is *somewhere* :) |
| 20:20:00 | funman | + addr = (void*)((uintptr_t)addr | 0x40000000); |
| 20:20:03 | funman | it's not! |
| 20:20:22 | TheSeven | uncached_addr should be defined to be that formula |
| 20:20:38 | TheSeven | and IIRC it was used in the pcm driver one day |
| 20:20:42 | TheSeven | did someone eliminate it? |
| 20:21:18 | funman | you removed one occurence in r23308 |
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| 20:22:45 | funman | ok i have a patch |
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| 20:25:40 | funman | FS #11607 - Enable USB on AMSv2 using Nano2g driver |
| 20:26:21 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28013): Fix set_serial_descriptor() for targets with as3543 |
| 20:26:25 | bunnyboi | oh that is awesome, i'll try it out asap |
| 20:28:05 | CIA-81 | r28013 build result: All green |
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| 20:29:49 | funman | pamaury: 0000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........ ........ |
| 20:29:52 | funman | 0010 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........ |
| 20:30:01 | funman | this is the malformed response which seems to happen at various times on clip+ |
| 20:30:40 | funman | when reading device descriptor, or reading config descriptor, or setting configuration, or when the host is sending SCSI commands ... |
| 20:30:48 | TheSeven | funman: what's the status code of that one? |
| 20:30:57 | funman | 'status code'? |
| 20:31:31 | TheSeven | did the transfer succeed from the chip's point of view, regardless of the data? |
| 20:31:37 | funman | no idea |
| 20:31:47 | funman | i'm reading the packet in wireshark |
| 20:32:00 | TheSeven | yeah, that's showing a return code somewhere |
| 20:32:04 | funman | i suppose that yes since i dont' see duplicate packets |
| 20:32:06 | TheSeven | the place where you see -ETIMEOUT sometimes |
| 20:32:32 | funman | http://pastie.org/1141992 < sample log |
| 20:33:59 | funman | URB status : -EOVERFLOW |
| 20:34:10 | TheSeven | aha |
| 20:34:21 | TheSeven | the data shown might be just garbage in that case |
| 20:34:29 | funman | it's nearly all zero |
| 20:34:41 | TheSeven | probably just some uninitialized (host) memory |
| 20:34:53 | TheSeven | now what did an overflow error mean in usb terms? |
| 20:35:04 | TheSeven | packet longer than requested? |
| 20:35:17 | funman | hm another response says -ENOENT |
| 20:36:04 | * | funman spots fdinel in the logs |
| 20:37:50 | funman | i see this buffer in "__compound_literal.*" in rockbox.elf but i don't know where it is in the source |
| 20:37:59 | funman | apps/settings_list.o |
| 20:45:00 | funman | ok for making clipv1 stable? |
| 20:48:06 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28014): Clipv1: stable status |
| 20:49:37 | CIA-81 | r28014 build result: All green |
| 20:50:04 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28015): front page: move clipv1 to stable |
| 20:50:38 | funman | if we get this USB patch committed & tested we could make the clipv2/fuzev2 stable (and clip+ if we can find the problem) |
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| 20:50:58 | funman | only bugs left is wakeup alarm sometimes buggy, and bad sound quality on clipv2 |
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| 20:52:47 | * | TheSeven wonders when (or rather if at all) the nano2g will reach stable |
| 20:53:18 | * | funman injects 50cc of motivation to fix the last bugs in TheSeven's veins |
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| 20:53:31 | TheSeven | the bugs are rather easy |
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| 20:53:39 | TheSeven | the bigger problem is the bootloader dilemma |
| 20:53:49 | TheSeven | easy installation/uninstallation vs. speed and stability |
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| 20:54:01 | funman | can't embios have both? |
| 20:54:08 | funman | (embios-based tool) |
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| 20:54:38 | TheSeven | as soon as we write to the nor flash, we will lose the "use itunes to restore" feature |
| 20:55:00 | gevaerts | TheSeven: is an iloader-based system very different from the coldfire irivers we support? |
| 20:55:24 | funman | i'd say we don't care about itunes if you document uninstallation |
| 20:55:33 | TheSeven | it's probably even safer, as a failure during the flashing process can't brick it |
| 20:55:49 | funman | you can write a CLI tool and integrate it in rbutil |
| 20:56:03 | TheSeven | we can't do it directly from a PC |
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| 20:56:34 | TheSeven | we need to install an installer to the firmware partition, which gets booted by the apple bootloader, and then reflashes the NOR |
| 20:56:51 | gevaerts | To be honest, "harder to uninstall than other ipods" shouldn't mean anything if it's still better than other stable supported targets |
| 20:57:18 | TheSeven | hm, there are several possible ways to go: |
| 20:57:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:58:04 | TheSeven | - read the firmware partition in the nor-based bootloader and check for a flash update, apply it if we find one |
| 20:58:17 | TheSeven | (that would enable itunes to kick out our bootloader indirectly at least) |
| 20:58:30 | clone4crw | gevaerts: Hey I saw you uploaded an update to the resistor calculator. I actually am about to upload a new version myself, and will look at yours in a bit. I am pretty much done with the resistance to color codes part. |
| 20:58:58 | Delbury9 | clone4crw: nice |
| 20:59:07 | TheSeven | - have it remove itself when it detects a problem |
| 20:59:41 | TheSeven | actually I'd like to install our bootloader in a way that's fully transparent to itunes, but kicked out by a restore |
| 20:59:57 | TheSeven | which means we need to: |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:05 | TheSeven | - rename osos to osbk in ipodpatcher |
| 21:00:12 | TheSeven | - install the installer as osos |
| 21:00:21 | TheSeven | - have the installer reflash the nor and rename osbk to osos again |
| 21:00:33 | funman | pamaury: 20:25 < funman> FS #11607 - Enable USB on AMSv2 using Nano2g driver |
| 21:00:44 | TheSeven | - have the bootloader check for a flash update and flash it if it found one |
| 21:00:58 | gevaerts | clone4crw: I changed a lot actually. I mainly meant it as a sort of example of how I would do it though, don't feel forced to keep any of those changes |
| 21:01:34 | TheSeven | i'd like to have a 2-stage bootloader for safety reasons |
| 21:01:53 | TheSeven | the first stage being more or less a DFU stub, the second stage caring about booting and uninstallation |
| 21:02:22 | TheSeven | the first stage would basically be embios loader |
| 21:02:35 | TheSeven | the second stage would be a modified rockbox bootloader |
| 21:02:41 | TheSeven | we would need to add the following features: |
| 21:02:56 | TheSeven | - scan the firmware partition for flash updates and flash them |
| 21:03:06 | TheSeven | - restore the FTL if it's unclean |
| 21:03:29 | TheSeven | and we would need to write an installer for it, which could possibly be based on the one i'm currently using for iloader |
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| 21:03:34 | help-a-foo | hi |
| 21:03:47 | help-a-foo | quick compativbility question |
| 21:03:59 | help-a-foo | does rockbox run on the Archos Studio 2 |
| 21:04:07 | help-a-foo | or just the Archos Studio |
| 21:04:11 | TheSeven | is it listed on the front page? |
| 21:04:18 | help-a-foo | well, studio is listed |
| 21:04:44 | help-a-foo | and im not sure if the "studio 2" i am seeing is the same product or what |
| 21:04:55 | bunnyboi | funman, I just tried the patch on my Fuze V2. The internal and external disks show in My Computer, but they are empty. Doesn't show as raw, doesn't show as fat either. Just empty. |
| 21:05:24 | help-a-foo | im actually in Tiger Direct here in chicago on one of their kiosks, using webchat.freenode.net |
| 21:05:39 | help-a-foo | i notice they have used sansa fuze, and new archos studio - but the box has a 2 on the archos |
| 21:05:42 | help-a-foo | used = refurb |
| 21:06:50 | help-a-foo | its pretty cheap, $49 for the archos studio (2?) and $39 for the refurb sansa fuze |
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| 21:07:34 | help-a-foo | i know for sure the fuze will work, but id rather buy something new if possible |
| 21:07:49 | pixelma | the supported Archoses are quite old lines of models, I doubt you can get any of these in shops |
| 21:08:41 | help-a-foo | pixelma: ya, but it does list studio on the wiki, plus this tiger direct has a bunch of older stuff |
| 21:09:00 | help-a-foo | really its too bad one of those $20 MP3 playher manufacturers doesnt just use rockbox |
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| 21:09:12 | help-a-foo | im surprised china hasnt just started putting rockbox on cheap players |
| 21:09:22 | help-a-foo | itd be better than the usual poorly dfesigned interface |
| 21:09:34 | help-a-foo | on those chinavasion.com players |
| 21:09:58 | help-a-foo | oh well, this kiosk wont let me browse the rockbox.org in a separate window, so off i go! thanks for the help pixelma |
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| 21:15:03 | alexbobP | how do I get my rockbox sansafuze to play videos? |
| 21:15:19 | alexbobP | when I click a video in the file browser it just plays it's audio |
| 21:15:31 | TheSeven | what kind of video? |
| 21:15:43 | alexbobP | hmm... I'll check what codecs |
| 21:16:02 | TheSeven | see the wiki for instructions on how to encode videos for rockbox |
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| 21:16:07 | alexbobP | a lot of files don't even show up in the interface |
| 21:16:22 | alexbobP | TheSeven: oh... I thought rockbox would come with more codec support... do I really have to reencode all my crap? |
| 21:16:35 | bunnyboi | I have a bit of a broken bash script somehwere that'll do it automagically |
| 21:16:39 | gevaerts | alexbobP: no, only the good stuff |
| 21:16:45 | TheSeven | more support for audio codecs, yes. not for video codecs. |
| 21:16:45 | Llorean | alexbobP: Rockbox is an *audio* player. |
| 21:16:59 | TheSeven | IIRC only a single video codec is supported through the mpegplayer plugin |
| 21:17:12 | Llorean | TheSeven: Well, MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 isn't it? |
| 21:17:23 | alexbobP | avc1 video and mp4a audio |
| 21:17:30 | Llorean | Not supported. |
| 21:17:36 | alexbobP | Llorean: aww |
| 21:17:42 | alexbobP | Llorean: is ther any way to install more video codecs on it? |
| 21:17:49 | Llorean | alexbobP: Yeah, write them. |
| 21:18:00 | funman | bunnyboi: i didn't try on fuzev2, but kugel said it worked fine |
| 21:18:03 | alexbobP | I don't know how to do that XD |
| 21:18:22 | Llorean | alexbobP: The main problem is that the people interested in expanded video support don't know how to do it, so it never happens. |
| 21:18:24 | funman | bunnyboi: i assume it's on windows? |
| 21:18:25 | TheSeven | and you probably won't manage to decode h.264 in realtime without hardware accelleration, which you would probably need to reverse engineer |
| 21:18:38 | alexbobP | srsly, I'd happily port codecs to rockbox if it was within my sphere of competence, but it's probably not |
| 21:18:41 | bunnyboi | funman, yes i'm on windows right now. i can try it on linux though |
| 21:18:41 | alexbobP | Llorean: heh |
| 21:18:44 | Llorean | TheSeven: That depends on the player. |
| 21:19:40 | alexbobP | bunnyboi: can I please have your script? |
| 21:20:02 | bunnyboi | alexbobP, you just put the files you want in the same directory and run the script: http://pastebin.com/fmJH74hq |
| 21:20:06 | kugel | amiconn: your #include order was correct, but "." is still the highest prority so the #include order doesn't always work from within the target tree |
| 21:20:34 | bunnyboi | you also need mencoder |
| 21:20:43 | alexbobP | Llorean: funny thing is, I got rockbox specifically because I thought it would enable more video codecs than the fuze already played... didn't know that wasn't a design goal |
| 21:20:58 | alexbobP | Llorean: not that I'm not happy I rockboxed. all these awesome games and themes :O |
| 21:21:06 | Torne | nothing in the design prevents it playing video :) |
| 21:21:08 | funman | kugel: #include <> works fine |
| 21:21:11 | alexbobP | bunnyboi: thanks! |
| 21:21:19 | Torne | it's just noy something anyone has implemented |
| 21:21:28 | Torne | other than the mpegplayer plugin |
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| 21:22:08 | Llorean | alexbobP: Well, Rockbox began on monochrome players. The original design focus was on expanded audio functionality. With a wider range of multimedia-capable players supported, expanded video functionality would probably be welcome, but not the reason most active developers became involved, so it's something likely to require new blood |
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| 21:23:04 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28016): debug-as3525.c : fix include, remove comment |
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| 21:23:50 | bunnyboi | funman, It works fine on Debian. Everything shows. |
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| 21:24:29 | funman | bunnyboi: i'll try the clipv2 on windows vista later |
| 21:24:42 | bunnyboi | I'm running XP by the way, if that helps. |
| 21:24:53 | CIA-81 | r28016 build result: All green |
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| 21:29:21 | amiconn | funman: If the bad sound quality on clipv2 has the same reason as on clip+, there is a patch that helps a lot |
| 21:29:35 | * | amiconn uses that for quite some time now on his clip+ |
| 21:30:58 | amiconn | alexbobP: Regarding video codecs: Unlike with audio codecs, supporting more than one video codec doesn't make sense except on *very* powerful devices which can do realtime scaling |
| 21:31:15 | cwilly | somethingbetter: how's the 3g nano port? |
| 21:31:20 | cwilly | any progress? |
| 21:31:49 | somethingbetter | uhm...yes |
| 21:32:00 | somethingbetter | now i can see pr0nz 10 times faster |
| 21:32:23 | amiconn | For all others, you need to prescale anyway so reencoding is no extra effort |
| 21:32:43 | funman | bunnyboi: perhaps the logical volume manager (right click my computer -> manage iirc) can give some info? |
| 21:32:55 | cwilly | somethingbetter: good good |
| 21:33:28 | TheSeven | gevaerts: to get back to the bootloader problem, what do you think is the best way? |
| 21:34:11 | somethingbetter | cwilly: that's a good progress isn't it? |
| 21:34:28 | cwilly | Yeah but you should really think about getting a kernel exploit. |
| 21:34:46 | somethingbetter | i haz one |
| 21:34:47 | bunnyboi | funman, Doesn't show up in Disk Management |
| 21:34:58 | somethingbetter | i found it in a pr0n image |
| 21:35:25 | somethingbetter | the dick of the guy in the pic is too long,it causes a stack overflow |
| 21:35:40 | somethingbetter | i'm that guy btw |
| 21:35:42 | gevaerts | somethingbetter, cwilly: this *isn't* a random chat channel |
| 21:35:54 | somethingbetter | orly? |
| 21:36:06 | somethingbetter | are you serious? |
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| 21:36:10 | Torne | yes |
| 21:36:22 | somethingbetter | omai |
| 21:36:26 | somethingbetter | u gotta be kidding |
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| 21:37:28 | gevaerts | TheSeven: actually, if you have a DFU stub that's reasonably easy to get to, I'm not sure if the second stage needs to be that fancy |
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| 21:38:21 | Warn | Banlist contains 18 bans! |
| 21:38:27 | TheSeven | the problem with the dfu stub is that the average windows user will have to install special drivers to access it |
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| 21:39:00 | funman | [Saint]: can you try FS #11607 on your nano2g and see if USB still works fine? |
| 21:39:04 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*airyballs@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-iiqyoktypuapllno" by Torne (torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) |
| 21:39:05 | gevaerts | ok, I think I'm beginning to see the full picture |
| 21:39:17 | Torne | oops |
| 21:39:23 | gevaerts | This "bootloader" can load the Apple in-ROM disk mode? |
| 21:39:34 | TheSeven | not the dfu stub |
| 21:39:38 | TheSeven | the second stage can do it |
| 21:39:51 | gevaerts | yes, quotes because I actually mean the whole lot :) |
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| 21:40:08 | TheSeven | speaking of iloader, it can do it |
| 21:40:16 | TheSeven | the rockbox bootloader would work similarly |
| 21:40:39 | gevaerts | ok, so the more or less standard recovery would be to write a new image (or recognise a new itunes image) to disk mode, and if needed reflash from there |
| 21:40:51 | gevaerts | Will the DFU stub always remain in place? |
| 21:40:55 | kugel | if that driver is going to be shared we should maybe add a usb_otg subdir in drivers (like with audio and rtc), it's not the first usb driver to be shared IIRC |
| 21:41:11 | bertrik | amiconn, are you talking about the patch that changes some things in the codec of the clip+ (bias and "hi-q mode" IIRC)? I thought dfkt tested that and didn't find a major difference |
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| 21:41:26 | amiconn | bertrik: Yes I do mean that. For me it makes a *huge* difference |
| 21:42:13 | TheSeven | gevaerts: the dfu stub will remain in place until it is uninstalled |
| 21:42:14 | amiconn | I'm not sure which of the two changes helps more, as I didn't try them separately |
| 21:42:25 | TheSeven | i see no need to ever update that one |
| 21:42:39 | amiconn | It may depend on the phones. If it does, it's probably bias |
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| 21:43:03 | gevaerts | TheSeven: ok. I think you have everything covered then |
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| 21:43:34 | TheSeven | another question would be if we want to add a way of booting the apple bootloader from ours |
| 21:43:44 | TheSeven | there would be enough free space in the nor flash to do that in theory |
| 21:43:48 | kugel | bertrik: you're a bit into powermgmt aren't you? feel like working on the android port? :) |
| 21:43:53 | gevaerts | Is it useful? |
| 21:44:14 | TheSeven | probably not |
| 21:44:30 | funman | kugel: the linux source code makes me think that it's used in some PPC SoC |
| 21:44:34 | kugel | I want the sleep & poweroff timers from powermgmt.c, but not the battery/voltage/estimated runtime things |
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| 21:44:50 | TheSeven | if we're sure that end users won't ever get their hands on non-working bootloaders, that self-uninstalling way is probably safe |
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| 21:45:21 | gevaerts | Safe enough, if the DFU stub survives that |
| 21:45:21 | bertrik | kugel, I did some power stuff but I'm not really enjoying it per se |
| 21:45:25 | funman | amiconn: i tried pretty much every as3543 settings i could find on my clipv2 |
| 21:45:35 | gevaerts | And even if not, as safe as the coldfire irivers |
| 21:45:50 | funman | i plan to go back at it again after USB works |
| 21:45:54 | TheSeven | the dfu stuff can't survive that as it's overwritten by the apple bootloader |
| 21:46:08 | gevaerts | right |
| 21:46:31 | gevaerts | So it's a matter of being careful then |
| 21:46:36 | TheSeven | however, in case garbage is flashed or the flasing process is interrupted, bootrom DFU will kick in |
| 21:46:56 | TheSeven | the only real way to brick it is to flash correctly signed but non-working code |
| 21:47:01 | gevaerts | Ah yes, only properly flashed broken code is actually dangerous :) |
| 21:47:13 | TheSeven | this might actually happen while uninstalling, as the apple bootloader will be signed on-device |
| 21:47:29 | kugel | bertrik: it would be nice if rockbox could exit itself after some time (i.e. like it powers down on daps). while the app is quite undemanding it still adds a non-zero load on the system if doing nothing |
| 21:47:44 | kugel | but powermgmt.c is a bloody mess |
| 21:48:05 | TheSeven | we might want to sigcheck the AUPD to prevent a bad AUPD file from bricking it |
| 21:48:17 | TheSeven | but if the uninstallation code is broken, that won't help |
| 21:48:36 | funman | kugel: where is the non-zero load, something is busy looping? |
| 21:48:55 | kugel | mainly the system tick |
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| 21:49:22 | funman | make HZ variable! :) |
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| 21:50:03 | [Saint] | funman: I can test that on my Nano2Gs, sure..what's it do? |
| 21:50:20 | * | [Saint] is lazy, just woke up, and there are a lot of logs... |
| 21:50:33 | funman | [Saint]: just moves things around so the driver can be used on AMSv2 |
| 21:50:46 | [Saint] | Ohhhh, right. Ok, sure. |
| 21:51:31 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I think you're fairly safe once you reach that stage. More than safe enough, anyway |
| 21:51:45 | [Saint] | I'm also going to try and see if I can enable USB HID again on the Nano2G (afterward) and see if it has magicallly fixed itself. |
| 21:51:52 | kugel | funman: wait_for_interrupt() works but it still interrupts every 10ms |
| 21:52:29 | gevaerts | [Saint]: you could of course test if new svn now works properly as is :) |
| 21:52:49 | TheSeven | that patch probably won't have an influence on hid |
| 21:52:55 | funman | could you disable the tick while rockbox is idle? |
| 21:53:31 | funman | and be notified when rockbox is used again to enable it |
| 21:54:32 | kugel | I had a quick shot at not waking up and it didn't work well. disabling the tick well break every TIME_AFTER()/_BEFORE() so I don't like that idea really |
| 21:54:54 | kugel | anyway, quitting would give the least added load (exactly zero) so I would prefer that one |
| 21:55:33 | kugel | the app starts quick enough to not be annoying |
| 21:56:03 | [Saint] | gevaerts: ...huh? |
| 21:56:18 | [Saint] | Did I miss something re: HID? |
| 21:56:19 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I committed my fat patch |
| 21:56:22 | gevaerts | No, not HID |
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| 21:56:46 | gevaerts | The nand stack |
| 21:56:52 | [Saint] | gevaerts: Oh, right..hmm. |
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| 21:57:34 | [Saint] | so I can drop my ridiculous (~3X greater than default( NAND stack? |
| 21:57:42 | [Saint] | +) |
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| 21:57:54 | TheSeven | hopefully yes |
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| 21:59:00 | gevaerts | Someone still needs to fix the screendump code though. It allocates a full line on the stack, which on mr500 means about 2K |
| 21:59:03 | * | [Saint] also wonders what TheSeven has on his mind for Nano2G botloader |
| 21:59:39 | [Saint] | gevaerts: So, should screendump work or not, on my 2G? |
| 21:59:45 | TheSeven | it should |
| 21:59:54 | [Saint] | (I know it was previously well borked) |
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| 22:00:02 | TheSeven | and regarding the bootloader, I'm wondering what to do about the rockbox bootloader |
| 22:00:18 | pixelma | oh, good. With r28011 Rockbox consistently freezes when trying to load my theme on the M5 :\ |
| 22:00:21 | [Saint] | to et itunes not know we've fiddled with it? |
| 22:00:29 | [Saint] | *let |
| 22:00:36 | TheSeven | should we use the NOR-based one as the only supported way of installation, or keep the nand one and add a (recommended) option to flash the NOR one from within rockbox? |
| 22:00:46 | gevaerts | I think it should. The USB stack is 3KB, it *probably* needs a sector in fat.c, but that leavs 1KB for one line, which isn't *that* big on a nano |
| 22:00:54 | TheSeven | the latter would allow users to have a quick glance if they like rockbox without flashing their nor |
| 22:01:01 | TheSeven | but it may complicate things a bit |
| 22:01:20 | TheSeven | and on the other hand, having a nand-based bootloader won't have any advantage if everything works like i'm planning |
| 22:01:29 | [Saint] | my problem with the NOR install is it removes the "use itunes to restore" which is the safety net for all iPods at present. |
| 22:01:41 | [Saint] | But, if that can't be avoided...so be it. |
| 22:02:00 | TheSeven | i could make the bootloader detect a restore and uninstall itself in that situation |
| 22:02:02 | kugel | I think it would be nice if the itunes restore uninstallation/safety net can be kept |
| 22:02:39 | [Saint] | kugel: As do I, but, iLoader based booting it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much cleaner |
| 22:02:47 | [Saint] | si, its 50/50 |
| 22:03:18 | [Saint] | but, I'd really like to restore with iTunes, well, not me personally, but to be able to redirect people to do so safely. |
| 22:04:44 | gevaerts | [Saint]: "use itunes to restore" is nice, but if it comes at the cost of having to restore once a week, well... |
| 22:05:10 | [Saint] | gevaerts: well...that's a bit overstated |
| 22:05:17 | [Saint] | things are not as bad as they seem... |
| 22:05:28 | [Saint] | the Nano2G is REALLY stable...bootloader wise |
| 22:05:33 | gevaerts | Of course it is! Nobody has ever won an argument by being subtle@! |
| 22:05:42 | [Saint] | Mine has not had the "white screen of death" for...months |
| 22:05:50 | [Saint] | 4, 5 months, easily. |
| 22:05:58 | [Saint] | and, I give them a LOT of abuse |
| 22:05:58 | kugel | all of them? |
| 22:06:07 | [Saint] | kugel: All of them. |
| 22:06:08 | gevaerts | That's because you can't actually write any file because it overflows the stack first |
| 22:06:47 | kugel | [Saint]: btw, I'm not uninterested in your icons, but I don't like the introduced inconsistency |
| 22:07:02 | kugel | as I said I'm not opposed to fixing the svn iconset |
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| 22:09:07 | [Saint] | gevaerts: or mine...whatever works: NAND stack/fat fix should be plenty to make the Nano2G a WHOLE lot nicer for "average joe" to use. |
| 22:09:24 | [Saint] | despite what poeple might think...I only use iLoader on one Nano2G |
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| 22:10:37 | [Saint] | the RB bootloader I actually find faster even, unless iLoader is on fastboot theme. |
| 22:10:57 | [Saint] | I have NO idea why TheSeven's Nano takes so damn long to boot..no idea at all. |
| 22:11:09 | TheSeven | doesn't yours show an apple logo at all? |
| 22:11:19 | [Saint] | yes, it does. |
| 22:11:23 | gevaerts | [Saint]: having a default setup that *can* wipe your filesystem (even if it doesn't often happen) really isn't a nice option if there is an alternative |
| 22:11:32 | [Saint] | it still gets to the RB menu in ~2 seconds though. |
| 22:11:36 | [Saint] | all of them do. |
| 22:11:45 | TheSeven | mine shows an apple logo for about 5 seconds before doing anything else |
| 22:11:59 | [Saint] | gevaerts: I'm not convinced it still can, though. |
| 22:12:01 | TheSeven | and the iloader menu is shown in <1 second on mine |
| 22:12:06 | [Saint] | noone has reported this in AGES |
| 22:12:24 | TheSeven | [Saint]: try copying files to it via usb while holding the reset combo |
| 22:12:33 | [Saint] | If anything...it should happen to me...I give mine a LOT of torture |
| 22:12:37 | TheSeven | count how many tries you need to wsod it |
| 22:12:38 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I'm sure TheSeven will yell at me if I'm wrong, but I thought the root cause is well understood and still there |
| 22:12:47 | [Saint] | hasn't happened to me in...shit, 5 months, easy |
| 22:13:09 | TheSeven | hm, depends on what you define to be the root cause |
| 22:13:27 | TheSeven | we know what's triggering it, but not why the apple bootloader fails to recover from that situation |
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| 22:13:50 | gevaerts | TheSeven: right. Yes, finding *that* would be an even better solution of course |
| 22:13:57 | saratoga | amiconn: FWIW people tried the high quality patch with a few different headphones (high, low impedance) and no one found any measurable difference in RMAA |
| 22:13:58 | TheSeven | it also doesn't always fail, just sometimes, when there was a lot of writes before crashing |
| 22:14:10 | [Saint] | all I'm saying...is that if it is still there, it was exaggerated by something that seems to NOT still be there...anymore. |
| 22:14:21 | saratoga | my assumption was that it didn't actually work in whatever version of the chip sandisk used |
| 22:14:32 | [Saint] | I realy should see it, I write large ammounts to USB on them all daily...err, almost daily. |
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| 22:14:47 | [Saint] | and change the RB build sometimes 3 ~ 4 times daily |
| 22:14:50 | TheSeven | does it crash after that? |
| 22:14:53 | [Saint] | no WSODs for me. |
| 22:15:07 | TheSeven | it can only wsod if you hard reset it after writing |
| 22:15:13 | TheSeven | and before rolo'ing |
| 22:15:15 | clone4crw | gaverts: I just uploaded my new resistor calculator, and am looking at your version. I like what you did with the structures. |
| 22:15:15 | [Saint] | yeah...I know. |
| 22:15:35 | clone4crw | gavaerts: ^^ |
| 22:15:37 | TheSeven | is that a situation you encounter often? |
| 22:15:40 | [Saint] | TheSeven: If rolo is the acid test...then, it is fine. |
| 22:15:43 | TheSeven | clone4crw: still wrong :P |
| 22:16:03 | TheSeven | no, rolo will make sure everything is clean before trying to boot the new build |
| 22:16:11 | clone4crw | gevaerts: Sorry. ^^ |
| 22:16:17 | [Saint] | TheSeven: I'd use rolo on at least 2 nanos ...twice daily I'd say. |
| 22:16:24 | [Saint] | at least once on one. |
| 22:16:33 | [Saint] | and, no WSODs |
| 22:16:36 | TheSeven | what i'm saying is that rolo'ing is *preventing* it |
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| 22:16:58 | [Saint] | the cause is still there..most definitely, but, whatever was pissing it off isn't..apparently. |
| 22:17:31 | TheSeven | [Saint]: how often do you hard-reset your ipod in a week? |
| 22:17:50 | TheSeven | after writing something, and not rolo'ing |
| 22:17:53 | [Saint] | with the pictureflow troubles recently...... |
| 22:18:09 | [Saint] | hmm, about 10 times daily for the lot of them for the past few days. |
| 22:18:18 | [Saint] | got *that* sorted in pictureflow though. |
| 22:18:32 | TheSeven | have you written anything to the flash before triggering the bug? |
| 22:18:39 | gevaerts | clone4crw: judging from a very quick look, you mainly added the resistance_to_color bit, right? |
| 22:18:52 | [Saint] | "triggering the bug"? |
| 22:19:00 | TheSeven | the pictureflow crash |
| 22:19:10 | [Saint] | oh, sure. |
| 22:19:19 | [Saint] | it manages to write the pictureflow cache |
| 22:19:34 | TheSeven | hm |
| 22:19:37 | [Saint] | then, crash...hard reset, no WSOD |
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| 22:20:06 | TheSeven | let me know if you ever happen to see one again |
| 22:20:12 | clone4crw | gevaerts: yes, mostly that |
| 22:20:14 | [Saint] | actually thinking about it...remember how many people used to run in here, and the forums, complainng of it? |
| 22:20:19 | gevaerts | Maybe the Apple FTL recovery code is self-learning? |
| 22:20:21 | [Saint] | that's stoped, completely. |
| 22:20:36 | gevaerts | clone4crw: ok, in that case my changes shouldn't get in the way too much :) |
| 22:20:47 | clone4crw | gevaerts: Now I'm going to combine both of ours |
| 22:21:07 | [Saint] | TheSeven: I don;t sweep them under the rug ;) |
| 22:21:22 | TheSeven | [Saint]: we have not changed anything in the ftl since those times where they complained |
| 22:21:23 | [Saint] | I want them fixed too :P but, I honestly haven't seen one in...ages. |
| 22:21:26 | gevaerts | clone4crw: good luck! I actually have to go now, I guess I'll see the results later on |
| 22:21:28 | [Saint] | no mattter what I do. |
| 22:21:29 | TheSeven | most of them are probably just using iloader |
| 22:21:48 | [Saint] | not the ones I know...but, ok. |
| 22:21:55 | j0ek | later gevaerts. |
| 22:22:07 | [Saint] | all (except one) of the 2G users I know use the RB loader |
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| 22:22:11 | TheSeven | well, if you have any explanation why they might have been gone... |
| 22:22:29 | [Saint] | I think there was something aggrivatring it we never saw |
| 22:22:33 | [Saint] | and, missed |
| 22:22:46 | [Saint] | and, has since departed us. |
| 22:23:09 | * | [Saint] shrugs... |
| 22:23:22 | [Saint] | that's my guess anyway...but, at least iLoader came from it. |
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| 22:23:57 | amiconn | saratoga: Imo that's rather strange. I didn't measure, but for me the patch makes the difference between almost unusable and acceptable quality |
| 22:24:31 | [Saint] | re: <TheSeven> [Saint]: we have not changed anything in the ftl since those times where they complained |
| 22:24:44 | [Saint] | haven't yo umade multiple changes to the FTL since? |
| 22:25:01 | bertrik | amiconn, I'm curious about which part of the patch makes the most difference for you |
| 22:25:13 | TheSeven | i don't think any of those might have affected it |
| 22:25:21 | TheSeven | most of it was internal code cleanup |
| 22:25:25 | [Saint] | well, you never know... |
| 22:25:45 | [Saint] | I often am surprised bt what affects what. |
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| 22:26:58 | [Saint] | TheSeven: maybe you could add a poll on the forums? |
| 22:27:25 | [Saint] | do you use A: iLoader B: RB loader...have yo had any :A WSOD B: unclean shutdown..etc |
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| 22:35:07 | saratoga | amiconn: maybe its only needed on some device revisions? |
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| 22:44:43 | bertrik | saratoga, there are indeed subtle changes between some clip+ models, e.g. with respect to the sd card controller |
| 22:45:15 | alexbobP | does rockbox have usb host support? could I plug in e.g. a flash drive with a modified cable and expect it to work? |
| 22:45:26 | alexbobP | I have a sansa fuze v2 |
| 22:46:49 | bunnyboi | alexbobP, no host support, not even the gigabeat S has host support in rockbox |
| 22:46:50 | bertrik | it depends on the specific target, but as far as I know, no current rockbox target acts as a USB host |
| 22:48:02 | bunnyboi | also, i seem to hit a snag. slack only sees the internal storage on my fuze v2 |
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| 22:52:59 | alexbobP | aww! |
| 22:53:06 | n1s | amiconn: i was asking because one person in the forum has trouble building the sim, first because of seemingly slightly different system headers (files using the SEEK_CURR etc symbols needed to include stdio.h) but then got an unresolved symbol from __builtin_clzl and that was (according to gcc manuals) included in 3.4 |
| 22:53:27 | n1s | lenny shouldn't have gcc < 3.4 i think |
| 22:57:55 | n1s | anyway, untill we have a verified working virtual machine or a decent guide for creating your own we should probably slap a big warning on that page telling people to download that old vmware image |
| 22:57:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:59:09 | n1s | actually, since installing the necessary tools and running rockboxdev.sh is about 2 commands maybe it doesn't make sense for us to create our own vm images anymore? |
| 22:59:31 | bunnyboi | what's needed for a proper virtual machine? i got a vm of Debian that i've been using. though that is just for the arm targets |
| 22:59:34 | n1s | you need to co svn too so 3 commands |
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| 23:00:21 | n1s | bunnyboi: for there to be any point to it it would need all the target toolchains, the libs to build sism and whatever is needed to build the manual IMO |
| 23:00:59 | n1s | s/sism/sims |
| 23:01:02 | bunnyboi | ok, i can just look at the manual in a bit, and just use the VM i have |
| 23:02:07 | n1s | but is it worth the hassle of maintaining our own vm image rather than telling people to just get a random linux vm and use the usual linux way to do stuff? |
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