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03:53:26	krabador	hi rockbox developers, i done a battery bench on a fuze v1 (loop of a 5min flac8 file) and i had 11h42m with r28058-100909
03:54:38	krabador	i had a little bit more with a december rockbox version
03:54:56	JdGordon\|	is that a "repeat all" playlist?
03:55:00	JdGordon\|	how big is the file?
03:56:42	krabador	JdGordon\|, 38,4mb
03:57:09	krabador	JdGordon\|, on the internal memory
03:57:10	JdGordon\|	ok then
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03:59:08	krabador	JdGordon\|, do you mean it's normal for a file with this size?
03:59:55	JdGordon\|	no, I was just making sure that the bench made sense. if the file isnt bigger than the audio buffer the results are not really worth taking
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04:02:01	krabador	JdGordon\|, ok
04:03:06	krabador	JdGordon\|, what do you think about improvements for fuze v1 battery life>
04:03:07	krabador	?
04:03:47	krabador	better, what fuze rockbox developers think about?
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04:04:32	JdGordon\|	well obviously we are dissapointed... I thought everyone knows we are going for shortest possible battery time
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04:06:38	krabador	JdGordon\|, do you think it's for a particular reason that rockbox have this battery life on fuze
04:06:39	krabador	?
04:09:43	JdGordon\|	mostly a relationship between the size of the battery and the amount of time the cpu runs at
04:10:32	funman	krabador: rockbox draws that much current, if we can reduce the current it needs we'll do
04:13:31	krabador	funman, i'm sure you're working on it. there are some particular thing you're trying to optimize?
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04:13:48	funman	i'm not working on it
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04:14:26	krabador	funman, ops, i mean you rockbox developers :)
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04:15:59	funman	no-one is working on it mostly because of no ideas. r28000 has improved battery life for me (with mp3) but past that we don't know what to do. feel free to investigate the source code and make your own modifications
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04:19:16	krabador	funman, you've no hardware idea ?
04:19:44	krabador	hardware that rockbox isn't optimized to use , i mean, on fuze.
04:20:05	funman	krabador: no. do you?
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04:21:17	krabador	funman, not in deep...
04:23:08	krabador	funman, maybe it can became a rockbox milestone
04:23:33	krabador	don't you think?
04:23:56	funman	i think that if you are not working on it, it has no chance to happen; you don't agree?
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04:25:43	krabador	yes, i can agree: :)
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04:27:45	krabador	i salute you funman , JdGordon\| .
04:27:55	funman	bye
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05:29:57	shuffle2	http://booya.dyndns.ws:666/open/usb_log.png so there is proper log on the left, and what i get on the right
05:30:32	shuffle2	any guesses as what's going wrong? :) gevaerts? pamaury seems gone atm...
05:33:10	JdGordon\|	gevaerts is presumably in the land of nod atm also
05:33:14	JdGordon\|	it being 4am there
05:33:27	JdGordon\|	this is still to port psgroove?
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05:34:50	shuffle2	sadly yes, heh
05:35:36	JdGordon\|	seems a bit silly though? didnt sony release a update which blocks it already?
05:36:16	shuffle2	i don't game. just hack :)
05:37:48	JdGordon\|	why not hack something useful though? i.e make rockbox show up as a usb audio device?
05:38:49	shuffle2	i began a cell-related project over the summer. being able to run code on the actual hardware would be cool
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07:19:13	funman	i realize there are a lot of asm() where we don't mark the condition flags as clobbered
07:20:48	funman	ranma: did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25547.msg171777#msg171777 ? (JTAG on fuzev1)
07:21:08	amiconn	Seems to be unnecessary. In all cases I checked, gcc generated the exactly same code around the asm() with and without specifying cc as clobbered
07:21:40	funman	amiconn: which arch?
07:21:55	amiconn	Various (CF, arm and sh1)
07:21:58	funman	i was told some arch (like x86) assume all asm() always clobber the condition flags
07:22:54	*	amiconn would like a non-touch mips target
07:24:24	amiconn	Note that I didn't re-check with arm eabi
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07:27:28	funman	i can not think of a test case
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07:30:58	funman	well it assumes cc is clobbered
07:31:57	amiconn	[03:59:51] <JdGordon\|> no, I was just making sure that the bench made sense. if the file isnt bigger than the audio buffer the results are not really worth taking <= Iirc our wiki page says that too, but afaik it is not true
07:32:08	funman	http://pastie.org/1159939 -> updates the condflags twice even if "cc" is not in the clobber
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07:33:39	JdGordon\|	amiconn: a 1 file playlist on repeat all will give different results if the file doesnt at least fill the buffer
07:34:11	amiconn	Well, in theory it makes sense to specify 'cc' on arm and sh, because both arch's instructions don't update flags by default. On arm it needs the 's' modifier, on sh1 there are special instructions
07:34:47	amiconn	JdGordon\|: Afaik buffering just rebuffers the same track again and again, so it really makes no difference (unless this changed fundamentally at some point)
07:35:22	funman	there are special cases: clean_dcache() on arm926ej-s updates the flags with mcr, and thumb instructions have an implicit 's'
07:35:25	JdGordon\|	hwcodec maybe... im 99% sure swcodec doesnt start buffering untill the playlist finishes
07:36:01	amiconn	'repeat all' doesn't finish.
07:36:01	funman	JdGordon\|: also with flash storage there might be no diff
07:36:16	amiconn	Coldfire almost always updates flags. Some instructions don't though, e.g. all address register arithmetics
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07:36:29	JdGordon\|	hmm, maybe it doesnt actually change the disk access time
07:37:34	amiconn	Hwcodec definitely buffers two copies of the same track if you have a one-track playlist with a track half the size of the audio buffer. Three times with 1/3 size etc
07:37:52	amiconn	Swcodec definitely did the same in the beginning, and afaik still does
07:38:14	docgnome	so... i've got a sansa fuze v1 and the database keeps getting corrupted with multiple entries for the same files. When i try to fsck the drive it says "FATs differ but appear to be intact" when i use the first fat, it just says "Leaving file system unchanged" when I do the second it presents me with some corrections to make but then no matter what I pick it says "leaving file system unchanged"
07:38:31	docgnome	It's driving me up a wall. any ideas how to fix this problem? running 3.6
07:39:16	JdGordon\|	amiconn: yeah, you're right, it would be insteresting to see a batt bench using a-b marks which are completly in the buffer to take disk access out
07:40:23	amiconn	That will be different
07:40:53	*	amiconn now wonders whether a-b doesn't rebuffer on hwcodec if it's within buffer limits
07:41:02	*	amiconn never actually used a-b repeat
07:42:08	docgnome	i've formated it in the sansa firmware several times
07:42:16	docgnome	and it works fine for a while and then dies
07:44:03	funman	docgnome: use 'fsck -w' to perform changes (rtfm dosfsck)
07:45:29	docgnome	well that's fine, my real problem is this keeps happening
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09:43:59	CIA-81	New commit by funman (r28086): button driver: make repeat timings be centiseconds and not ticks ...
09:44:05	CIA-81	New commit by funman (r28087): flac: more detailed debug message
09:46:34	funman	pamaury: (logs) your patch doesn't help
09:49:49	*	funman killed the build system
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09:53:25	funman	Zagor: you know what's happening with http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi ?
09:54:16	Zagor	checking
09:54:59	funman	i'm out of ideas for the annoying background beat on the clipv2
09:55:00	Zagor	"Ending round due to lack of clients"
09:55:17	Zagor	seems it doesn't update the page correctly when that happens
09:55:25	ranma	funman: Hmm, I'll look into it
09:55:34	Zagor	(and "that" happened due to a momentary network disconnect)
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09:59:52	CIA-81	r28086 build result: All green
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10:01:33	funman	cool, if there's a mistake in r28087 i won't be blamed for it ;)
10:02:30	Zagor	haha
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10:04:18	CIA-81	r28087 build result: All green
10:05:03	funman	:(
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10:09:56	kugel	amiconn: iirc buffering has some special cases for going backwards in the buffer, playlistism size smaller than the audio buffer should be one of them
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10:18:21	wodz	Zagor: I uploaded icon for mpio hd200 (small png in playerpics) - could you update www?
10:18:28	Zagor	sure
10:18:45	wodz	hope this is the only change needed :-)
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10:20:31	JdGord	Eek. Its huge!
10:20:52	JdGord	Wrong chan
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10:34:51	CIA-81	New commit by wodz (r28088): Fix malformed name in builds.pm for MPIO HD200 (thx to Zagor)
10:36:13	wodz	Zagor: I commited fix for builds.pm - please update www if this is needed
10:36:27	CIA-81	r28088 build result: All green
10:41:38	wodz	hmm now http://build.rockbox.org/ do not show HD200 at all (but http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi list the build)
10:41:50	wodz	anyone familiar with this stuff?
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10:50:03	wodz	Would You fix this or should i do this?
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11:05:49	CIA-81	New commit by wodz (r28090): fix target name for MPIO HD200 in tools/configure
11:06:29	wodz	Zagor: hope this is the end of this names mangling
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11:08:23	wodz	argh
11:10:31	LORLY	Is rockbox able to rate music for the ipod nano 1st gen? Same as Windows Media Player can give a song a 1 to 5 star rating?
11:10:40	CIA-81	New commit by wodz (r28091): fix red
11:11:25	n1s	LORLY: yeah, rockbox has such a feature, should be in the manual somewhere
11:12:45	LORLY	What keyword should i be searching for? I got a lot of results for 'rate' but none of them are relevant. (words such as Bitrate and Seperate keep popping up)
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11:14:42	n1s	here http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-530004.3.3 look for "Rating"
11:15:57	LORLY	Looks like i've got some settings to mess with. Thanks for the help n1s
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11:52:52	pamaury	JdGordon: just see your message at 5:37, usb audio is something difficult I already worked on (I have working code for arc driver) and which requires a bunch of modification
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11:56:00	giovanni__	hello
11:56:33	giovanni__	is it time for the ondas to be setted as unstable?
11:58:24	n1s	JdGordon: filling the buffer is probably only important on disk based targets to not get extra spinups, on flash the difference should be minimal
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12:02:26	JdGordon	well flash access isnt free so there would be some difference
12:03:26	n1s	does it have a significant per access cost as opposed to amount of data cost?
12:03:41	JdGordon	I wouldnt have a clue
12:04:04	JdGordon	of course it is no where near as much as spindle, but still it might be slightly interesting to see numbers
12:04:16	n1s	sure
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12:06:27	n1s	(also on my fuzev1 the buffer is 4.7MB so only every nineth fill would be partial with a 38.4MB file)
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12:21:20	JdGordon	giovanni__: the theme you posted doesnt load in the sim?
12:21:35	JdGordon	I assume the hardcoded wps isnt what you want?
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12:47:17	JdGordon	are local variable scope rules different for swicth statements?
12:47:54	JdGordon	http://pastie.org/1118815 apparently fixes a stkov but that code is never entered in the repo steps
12:48:20	JdGordon	is that temp_buf put on the stack fursther up? (*the function is recursive)
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13:10:37	giovanni__	JdGordon: Yes, it loads only the sbs, the wps has problem with the %St tag I think
13:10:55	giovanni__	I have not tried with latest build
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13:30:59	giovanni_	JdGordon: And that faulty code that made the onda freeze, yes, it work great on the sim.
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14:01:41	Knuckle	hello all
14:01:49	Knuckle	is there someone here that can help me with an issue?
14:02:07	Knuckle	I just installed rockbox on my 5.5G ipod video a few days ago
14:03:16	Knuckle	and now whenever I connect it to my computer it goes into that black-on-white mode (looks a bit like vanilla ipod firmware but it usually only comes on if your firmware is fucked)
14:03:50	Knuckle	and windows is telling me I have to reinstall the firmware and offers me to get itunes to do that for me
14:04:08	Knuckle	(to which I obviously respond no)
14:05:38	Knuckle	I've checked the FAQ but I couldn't find such a device-specific issue in there
14:05:45	Knuckle	but I may have missed something
14:05:56	n1s	so does rockbox start abd work?
14:06:03	n1s	and*
14:07:43	Knuckle	yeah, it works fine until I want to put new music on it
14:08:37	n1s	so when you plug in usb while rockbox is running you get the emergency disk mode and itunes wants to restore the ipod?
14:08:56	Knuckle	yep
14:09:08	Knuckle	and I can disconnect it and rockbox starts working again
14:09:13	Torne	what version of rockbox have you got?
14:09:16	n1s	and it doesn't mount as a disk?
14:09:20	Torne	that sounds like 3.5 or an older release..
14:09:26	Knuckle	also, I see the rockbox "connected" screen for ~1 second
14:09:26	Knuckle	erm
14:09:29	Knuckle	iirc it's 3.6
14:09:37	n1s	Torne: itunes shouldn't want to restore anyway, should it?
14:09:41	Torne	Oh, er, yeah, usb is still disabled in 3.6
14:09:49	Torne	n1s: yes, itunes always assumes an ipod in emergency disk mode is broken
14:09:57	n1s	Torne: aha
14:10:01	Knuckle	oh
14:10:03	Knuckle	hey
14:10:10	Knuckle	suddenly I can access it as a hdd
14:10:11	Torne	if you want to sync with itunes you need to boot the apple firmware
14:10:13	Knuckle	odd
14:10:20	Torne	and you can access it as a hard disk regardless
14:10:22	Knuckle	I don't want to sync with itunes
14:10:23	n1s	Knuckle: so either install a current build or live with it :)
14:10:55	Knuckle	Torne: I never used itunes anyway, foobar ftw :P
14:10:57	Torne	you probably haven't told itunes not to load on connect
14:11:09	Knuckle	I'm sure I have
14:11:09	Torne	once you do that itunes won't open when you plug it in
14:11:14	Knuckle	well it's more
14:11:16	Torne	Well, if you have then it wouldn't do this :)
14:11:24	Knuckle	windows going "oh shit your hdd is broken, should itunes fix it"
14:11:37	Knuckle	itunes doesn't actually start
14:11:38	Torne	i think you are misreading that
14:12:00	soap	Disable the iTunes service from the control panel. iTunes should not be part of the equation if you have properly disabled it.
14:12:01	Knuckle	I'll try to trigger it again and quote it here for future reference :)
14:12:11	Torne	soap: you shouldn't even need to
14:12:14	soap	Yea, a proper quote would clear it up.
14:12:25	Torne	soap: just unchecking "open itunes on connect" in itunes, once, should be enough
14:12:39	Torne	then when you plug it in, in any of the three disk modes, it should just come up as a disk
14:12:53	Torne	if you happen to already have itunes open and you connect it in emergency disk mode then it will, indeed, bitch
14:12:58	Torne	but that message isf rom itunes, not windows
14:13:14	Knuckle	well this is confusing, I constantly had this issue before joining #rockbox, but now it just accepts it as a hdd -_-'
14:13:16	Torne	i see this stuff a lot
14:13:25	Torne	becuase i do use itunes (for my iphone)
14:13:32	Torne	so i frequently leave it running by accident :)
14:14:30	Knuckle	well, I can't replicate the issue at this moment
14:14:38	Knuckle	if it happens again I'll take a screenshot and post it here
14:14:55	Torne	anyway, you might want to use a current build regardless
14:15:32	Knuckle	I had assumed that downloading the ipod video 30 gb build from the rockbox site would give me a recent build
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14:16:44	Knuckle	ah, the installer isn't kept up-to-date
14:16:53	Torne	Yes, the installer is up to date
14:17:05	Torne	You have the latest release, 3.6
14:17:12	Torne	We're suggsting you use the current development build
14:17:19	Torne	both of which can be installed from the installer
14:17:19	Knuckle	ah, I see
14:18:07	Torne	the current build will use rockbox's own usb mode, instead of booting apple's.
14:18:15	Torne	since the issues with USB charging were fixed
14:18:35	Torne	itunes will then leave it alone :)
14:20:33	Knuckle	aww
14:20:37	Knuckle	it broke my theme :(
14:21:03	Knuckle	also
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14:21:10	Knuckle	it triggered the error message again
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14:21:39	Knuckle	"Your iPod needs to be reformatted for use with Windows. Would you like to run iTunes to restore your iPod now?"
14:21:52	Torne	yes, the theme format has changed between 3.6 and the current builds
14:22:37	Torne	and that's not the restore needed message
14:22:41	Torne	well, not the usual one
14:22:49	Torne	that's the mssage you get if you plug a mac-formatted ipod in..
14:23:32	Knuckle	I've never connected the thing to a mac :/
14:23:33	Knuckle	also
14:23:47	Knuckle	now windows wants to scan and fix KNUCKLEPOD (G:) -_-'
14:23:59	Knuckle	once I fell for that trick
14:24:03	Torne	Er, that's unrelated..
14:24:09	Knuckle	ruined all my data
14:24:10	Torne	that means you unplugged it without unmounting it at some point
14:24:14	Torne	and thus the filesystem might be corrupt
14:24:23	Torne	That's extremely unlikely
14:24:32	Knuckle	well
14:24:37	Knuckle	it means that the filesystem's fine
14:24:38	Torne	it's more likely that you had already corrupted the filesystem, and thus when it fixed it you lost lots of data
14:24:42	Torne	:)
14:24:44	Torne	because that's what happens
14:24:44	Knuckle	but that windows will destroy all data if you let it scan :P
14:24:50	Torne	No it doesn't.
14:25:17	Knuckle	actually yes, I'll not go into the details as talk about legally dubious things is not permitted here
14:25:22	Torne	Anyway, it sounds like your filesystem is corrupt
14:25:27	Knuckle	but stuff worked that was deleted afterwards :P
14:25:33	Torne	which is why the ipod service is also mis-identifying it as not being formatted right
14:26:27	Torne	i suggest you let it scan and fix the filesystem :)
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14:26:31	Torne	or do it yourself with chkdsk
14:26:43	Torne	and if it deletes files then, i'm sorry, but those files were corrupt ;)
14:26:58	Torne	chkdsk is pretty reliable; FAT is not a difficult filesystem to work on
14:28:10	Knuckle	well, once I had a microsd drive which I connected with a special usb stick, I had no problems with ANY of the files when I stuck it in the device I was using it with
14:28:21	Knuckle	after letting windows "scan and fix" all files were garbled
14:28:42	Torne	just because you don't seem to see a problem when using something doesn't mean the filesystem isn't corrupt in some way, you know
14:28:55	Torne	and i'm sorry, but chkdsk is waaay more reliable than your opinion :)
14:29:05	Knuckle	just saying that I know for a fact some files weren't corrupted
14:29:23	Torne	No, you don't know that
14:29:39	*	Torne can construct a filesystem where every file is readable but the fs is still irretrievably corrupt just fine :)
14:29:57	Torne	(in fact i have a tool that does that on purpose that i used to use with an ancient dumb mp3 player) :)
14:30:18	Knuckle	but then wouldn't it be possible to extract every file's data?
14:30:24	Torne	yup.
14:30:43	Torne	but that doesn't mean it's possible to fix the filesystem without destroying data. FAT is great like that.
14:30:52	Knuckle	well
14:30:57	Torne	readability is not the only criteria for the FS being intact
14:31:03	Torne	you also have to consider the ability to write to it...
14:31:10	Knuckle	I would have liked it if windows had offered to backup my data
14:31:25	Torne	There's no way for it to know if that's even possible
14:31:26	Knuckle	and not just tell me "I'mma fix it" and destroy the data while fixing the fs
14:31:34	Torne	It can't tell if the data is readable or not.
14:31:38	Knuckle	I cared more about my savegames than about the integrity of the filesystem >:(
14:31:57	Torne	Anyway, this is kinda irrelevant.
14:32:01	Knuckle	yeah it is
14:32:04	Torne	if windows thinks the FS is uncleanly unmounted then it's right.
14:32:12	Torne	and nothing is going to make that right other than chkdsk or a similar tool
14:32:21	Torne	and if in the process that finds errors then yes, you have to fix them to keep using the device.
14:32:32	Torne	if you are concerned this is going to delete data then back it up yourself first.
14:33:08	Knuckle	well
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14:33:12	Knuckle	thanks for your help anyway :)
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15:46:39	Zagor	wth? the way to enable comment modifications in svn is to create a hook???
15:48:03	Torne	yeah. it decides whether to allow the change based on wha thte hook returns, and having no hook means "always say no"
15:50:44	Zagor	well, looks to me like we already support it then
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15:57:23	macska	is this the correct channel to talk about a custom status bar problem?
15:57:58	JdGordon	depends on the problem
15:58:27	gy	rather basic, really... i can't get it to work.
15:58:35	gy	(sorry, the other nick froze)
15:59:02	gy	i created an .sbs that contains tags specifying what the status bar should display.
15:59:16	gy	and added it to the .cfg, along with statusbar: custom.
15:59:28	gy	i get the default statusbar, however.
15:59:37	JdGordon	did you actually load the sbs?
15:59:45	JdGordon	through the menu or with the sbs: config line
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16:00:03	gy	the latter.
16:00:23	JdGordon	ok, pastebin the sbs
16:00:42	JdGordon	and what build are you running?
16:00:52	gy	i'm not familiar with pastebin... i only know the name.
16:01:01	gy	i'll just paste here, it's only 2 lines.
16:01:32	gy	i'm using the simulator for sansa clip+.
16:01:40	gy	V(0,0,128,8,1)
16:01:41	gy	%bt
16:02:06	gy	i also tried inserting a Vi(-,0,0,-,-,1) at the beginning.
16:02:08	JdGordon	you dont have a %Vi() line which is required
16:02:35	gy	ok, should Vi(-,0,0,-,-,1) before the other two lines work?
16:02:52	JdGordon	that line will use the whole screen and overlap the other viewport
16:02:55	gy	i don't get the meaning of Vi, i'm afraid.
16:03:51	JdGordon	Vi sets up the viewport where the lists are drawn
16:04:09	gy	so the screen minus the status bar?
16:04:16	JdGordon	yes
16:04:21	gy	oh, ok.
16:04:48	gy	in that case i'd need Vi(-,0,9,-,-,1), i suppose?
16:04:52	JdGordon	Vi(-,0,8,-,-,1) is what you want
16:05:03	gy	ah, right.
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16:06:56	gy	ok, now i have
16:07:03	gy	Vi(-,0,8,-,-,1)
16:07:13	gy	V(0,0,128,8,1)
16:07:17	gy	%bt
16:07:21	gy	still no effect :-(
16:07:56	gy	after loading the theme, i mean.
16:08:20	JdGordon	manually load the sbs from the menu
16:08:55	gy	you simply select the file in the file browser?
16:09:16	JdGordon	do it from the menu
16:09:23	JdGordon	settings > theme settings > base skin
16:09:36	gy	ok, tried that.
16:09:42	gy	still no effect.
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16:11:44	JdGordon	what are you seeing?
16:12:27	gy	the default statusbar.
16:12:40	gy	the other theme-related settings are loaded.
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16:14:18	macska	ok, now the other nick froze.
16:14:27	macska	i'm seeing the default status bar.
16:14:36	macska	wps and font are set correctly.
16:15:48	JdGordon	what build are you using?
16:16:02	JdGordon	"statusbar: custom" hasnt been an option for quite a while
16:17:17	Stummi	hm, i registered for the developer list yesterday and all i got to yet is an discussion about commit-comments g
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16:18:10	macska	r28072
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16:18:26	macska	-100914
16:18:34	JdGordon	change it to "statusbar: off"
16:18:40	macska	ok.
16:18:55	JdGordon	altohugh actually I tihnk that shouldnt matter... something odd is happening
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16:19:30	macska	no, didn't help.
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16:21:04	macska	statusbar: off didn't help.
16:22:19	JdGordon1	the file is in the right place?
16:23:14	macska	the sbs?
16:23:23	macska	it's in the wps folder.
16:23:27	macska	same place as the wps.
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16:24:24	JdGordon1	well it loads for me (in the sim) but there is an emty line isntead of the %bt
16:25:24	macska	very strange.
16:25:34	macska	i mean that it loads at all for you.
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16:26:14	macska	you did it with statusbar: off?
16:26:43	macska	i have the "unofficial" simulator built for windows, btw.
16:26:54	JdGordon1	no
16:27:05	JdGordon1	the only thing I changed was the sbs filename
16:27:19	macska	i see.
16:27:25	JdGordon1	but I'm now worried about the %bt not showing
16:29:01	macska	i've replaced the .sbs in the cabbiev2 theme, but i still get the default status bar.
16:29:43	JdGordon1	oh good.. last nights commits didnt cause this
16:29:54	*	JdGordon1 is rather baffled
16:30:30	macska	you use the simulator you compiled yourself in linux?
16:30:40	JdGordon1	yes
16:31:06	macska	shouldn't make a difference, though.
16:34:07	JdGordon1	can you post a screenshot?
16:34:08	JdGordon1	just to be 100% certain of whats happening
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16:36:25	macska	sure.
16:36:37	macska	i mean, er. not sure where i can upload it.
16:36:45	macska	what exactly would you like to see?
16:37:15	AlexP	imagebin
16:37:16	JdGordon1	the clips display
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16:38:48	macska	btw, now i managed to get it to load as well.
16:38:53	macska	showing nothing.
16:39:02	macska	after i switched the startup screen to main menu.
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16:43:36	macska	hm... won't be able to upload screenshots, i'm afraid.
16:43:45	macska	i'm at work.
16:43:53	macska	maybe via email?
16:44:18	macska	although we're getting the same behaviour now, it seems.
16:44:52	macska	oh, wait, i didn't see the imagebin suggestion.
16:44:55	macska	i'll try that.
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16:49:38	macska	here you go: http://imagebin.org/114216
16:50:31	JdGordon1	that looks like it hasnt loaded the sbs at all
16:52:34	JdGordon1	file a bug.. something is very very wrong
16:52:44	macska	well, same thing as on your simulator, no?
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16:56:04	JdGordon1	no, it defintly loads here, but no text... file the bug, I'll try to look at this tomorow or the weekend
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18:32:23	Jaykay	hi.... when i read the discussion about commit messages in the mailing list, i remembered teh old idea of devs being able to submit patches to the build system, which gives them a result and builds to test.... it shouldn't be hard to implement this, and it would "fix" the red commits
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18:33:10	gevaerts	it wouldn't
18:33:33	n1s	Jaykay: that sounds like unnecessary complication to me
18:34:06	Jaykay	it would be just an option for heavy patches which likely produce reds...
18:34:39	gevaerts	Also, I'm not at all convinced that it's really that easy to implement
18:34:50	n1s	breaking the builds doesn't bother me or i'd guess most devs but maybe non-trivial build fixing commits should have better commit messages
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18:35:10	gevaerts	You're going to run into all sorts of non-clean svn checkout situations
18:35:31	n1s	Jaykay: fun thing is that the patches you expect to break things are usually much better tested, it's the ones that "Shouldn't Break Anything" that usualy does
18:36:13	Jaykay	gevaerts: why? only the build system would need to apply the patch
18:36:36	gevaerts	Jaykay: yes, the non-clean svn checkouts would be on the various build clients
18:36:52	n1s	Jaykay: the build system would also need to clean itself then
18:36:56	pamaury	it's unecessaryc omplication, breaking the build is not a problem as long as it's fixed quickly. The problem was commit messages
18:37:15	Jaykay	n1s: ok, then it wouldnt fix it :) the next step would be that the build system checks all commits before actually committing them... but i guess thats way too complicated
18:38:19	gevaerts	Occasional build-breaking commits is why we have the build system in the first place. What will be next? A system to check if patches will compile before you submit them to the system that checks if you're allowed to commit them?
18:38:25	n1s	Jaykay: that might actually be easier to do as an svn hook, but it would make a commit delay for a few minutes and i'd guess we would have to reject other commits while building so not so nice
18:38:54	gevaerts	It also assumes a build system that never breaks
18:39:02	n1s	the git peole would hate it at least :)
18:39:39	n1s	i think the current system is in no need of fixing actually
18:40:54	*	gevaerts agrees
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19:56:31	Facebookchatter	Hi every one, got a simple question, mayby stupid but still problem, does anyone know how do i set sansa fuze v1 to run pictureflow after a press shortcut button
19:56:34	Facebookchatter	?
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20:35:31	webguest08	Sup people ^_^
20:35:36	webguest08	say Hi guys
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20:44:25	webguest05	Hey guys, how do I add music onto my sansa clip+ after install rockbox ?
20:45:24	AlexP	anyway you like
20:45:30	AlexP	Just drag and drop it over
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20:53:10	webguest58	I tried to but everytime it says " unknown usb device "
20:54:22	webguest58	I tried to however it couldnt recognize the player, my clip + works fine just cant add music anymore
20:54:33	AlexP	You need to boot the sansa firmware
20:54:39	AlexP	then connect it to USB as normal
20:54:55	mc2739	webguest58: are you booting the OF before connecting the usb cable?
20:56:15	webguest58	O_O slow respond to my posts
20:56:42	AlexP	the web irc on rockbox.org lags horribly
20:56:52	AlexP	freenode web client is better
20:57:00	AlexP	Or even better get a proper IRC client :)
20:58:25	webguest58	Yes, I boot to the Original Firmwire and it complains X_X .... the installation went perfectly fine, just for some reason windows fails at recognizing it ... is this a common problem with clip + " i know its still unstable"
20:58:58	AlexP	Rockbox doesn't affect the OF
20:59:51	webguest58	I booted it into OF and then plugged it in and I got " Usb Device is not recognized " complain by windows 7
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22:17:59	AlexP	JdGordon1: About?
22:18:51	AlexP	JdGordon1: (for logs) - I just updated Rockbox for the first time in a little while (sorry, can't remember what the old version was exactly) and my .sbs now freezes Rockbox and crashes the sim, but is fine in the themeeditor
22:19:23	AlexP	JdGordon1: sim crash log is here: http://aeparker.com/files/sbs_crash.txt and theme is here: http://aeparker.com/files/CSB.7z Any ideas?
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22:29:42	kugel	AlexP: gdb ./rockboxui :)
22:29:56	amiconn	There are numerous bugs in the current skin code. Many of them have been reported on fs already
22:29:58	kugel	then run, then bt after the crash
22:30:23	kugel	amiconn: all would be better, file a report if you find one
22:30:29	AlexP	kugel: bt?
22:30:43	kugel	that's a command for gdb
22:30:50	kugel	stands for backtrace
22:31:06	AlexP	ah right
22:33:02	AlexP	kugel: http://pastebin.ca/1941607
22:34:21	kugel	my part is over, but it'll help JdGordon1 :)
22:34:24	AlexP	My superior skills lead me to suspect a problem in statusbar-skinned.c :)
22:35:10	AlexP	heh, OK :)
22:35:33	kugel	"p element" will probably show 0x0, which means NULL pointer derefence (which is a crash in the sim and almost always a freeze on (ARM) targets)
22:35:49	AlexP	yeah, this is an ARM target that freezes :)
22:36:17	kugel	I'm assuming it tries to set the list title before the sbs is loaded
22:37:03	pixelma	AlexP: I believe there was someone around who reported problems with sbs here just today and was asked to flyspray it (don't know if he did though)
22:37:30	AlexP	I will do tomorrow if necessary
22:38:03	pixelma	which target is this btw?
22:38:15	pixelma	that freezes I mean
22:38:17	AlexP	gigabeat S
22:38:40	AlexP	It's the only one I tried it on (first I updated, I'm leaving the others for now) :)
22:39:11	pixelma	ok, was just curious
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